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Title: Current Episodes
Post by: Griffith on August 19, 2006, 01:58:24 AM
Discuss the latest Vagabond episodes here!

Current Episode:
(http://www.itplanning.co.jp/images/vaga/vol.gif) (http://www.itplanning.co.jp/vaga.html)
http://www.itplanning.co.jp/vaga.html
Title: Current Episodes Thread
Post by: Uriel on August 24, 2006, 12:53:11 PM
Thanks for posting the link, Ger! I am definitely going to be picking these up.

Also, 215 arrived...

[hide]I was sure that when Musashi struck we'd see the continuation of Chapter 180.. but it seems Musashi forgot to draw his sword.[/hide]

 Still, the newest chapters are great. No Vagabond until October though, maybe around the same time Volume 24 and 『 WATER | SUMI 』 come out.
Title: Current Episodes Thread
Post by: Griffith on October 18, 2006, 11:26:12 PM
http://www.itplanning.co.jp/images/what/vaga/vagabondpic.html

I wish Miura would do "previews" like this so I could see his scribbled out lines. Musashi sure looks suprised by something that Mr. Meanface is saying.

Maybe if I insult the editors at Viz I can get someone from there to post and tell me why no stores in my area have volume 22, yet they have 23.
Title: Current Episodes Thread
Post by: Uriel on October 19, 2006, 12:19:10 AM
Awesome. I updated my post without even tampering with it! :troll:

Vagabond 216 was nice. Musashi finally figured out that Denshiro will not be able to harm him, but it does not make it any less interesting. I can't remember Yoshikawa's Musashi that well, but [hide]doesn't Musashi eventually kill the child shown at the end of chapter 216? Something about the Yoshioka clans next heir.... *memory is a giant fuzz* [/hide] Edited by Walter: URIEL IS KING OF SPOILERS. And the anwer to your question is yes.

My local Borders doesn't have Volume 23, yet. I'll be looking out for it though... lord knows this is my favourite volume cover yet:

(http://www.viz.com/products/images/products/pd/pd6114.jpg)[/list]

Simply beautiful. Good job, once again, Viz!
Title: Current Episodes Thread
Post by: SaiyajinNoOuji on October 19, 2006, 12:37:04 AM
Awesome. I updated my post without even tampering with it! :troll:

Vagabond 216 was nice. Musashi finally figured out that Denshiro will not be able to harm him, but it does not make it any less interesting. I can't remember Yoshikawa's Musashi that well, but [hide]doesn't Musashi eventually kill the child shown at the end of chapter 216? Something about the Yoshioka clans next heir.... *memory is a giant fuzz*[/hide]

My local Borders doesn't have Volume 23, yet. I'll be looking out for it though... lord knows this is my favourite volume cover yet:

    http://www.viz.com/products/images/products/pd/pd6114.jpg[/list]

    Simply beautiful. Good job, once again, Viz!

    [hide]If its the part where the try to jump him at the monestary, then yes, he does kill the child (next in line for the clan type thing). [/hide] Edited by walter: HIDE YOUR SPOILERS GODDAMNIT
    Title: Current Episodes Thread
    Post by: Uriel on October 19, 2006, 06:00:30 PM
       Vagabond chapter 217 has arrived!:

    [hide]   Remember me mentioning if we'd see the events of Chapter 180 a few entries ago? Well, it happened! Only the ending is slightly different. Denshiro managed to grab a hold of Musashi with his handless arm this time, instead of falling to the floor like in Volume 21. I guess that will happen later on though... I'm quite sad, but I knew it was going to happen sooner of later. The question is, what will happen next? *dun-dun-dun*[/hide]
       A bloody good chapter! Two double-page spreads here, chaps. The last one will probably end up on my desktop within the next 24 hours or so. Once again, Inoue delivered excellent artwork and well-placed emotional content. Next weeks chapter should prove interesting.

       I can't believe I lasted as long as I did without Vagabond every week. Dark times....

    P.S. I am sorry about the spoilers, guys! Humble apologies.
    Title: Current Episodes Thread
    Post by: CnC on October 19, 2006, 06:17:21 PM
       Vagabond chapter 217 has arrived!:

    regarding its contents, s'bout friggin time.  Jeez, took forever to get to this point.  However I can't say I was bored.
    Title: Current Episodes Thread
    Post by: Walter on October 19, 2006, 06:34:58 PM
    [hide] It didn't end necessarily differently. The jump cuts in Vol 21 leave room for Den grabbing Musashi, ultimately to be shrugged off (I guess...), which still leaves room for Musashi to relive his grand, two page spread that intrinsically says: "You lose."

    Good to see Yoshioka Kempo finally. That was a very cool moment, and gave some emotional weight to Denshichiro's previously pathetic final words.[/hide]
    Title: Current Episodes Thread
    Post by: Uriel on October 19, 2006, 08:10:31 PM
    Aye, that's basically what I said :Þ

    [hide]Good to see Yoshioka Kempo finally. That was a very cool moment, and gave some emotional weight to Denshichiro's previously pathetic final words.[/hide]
    [/list]

    Yeah, he was a cool looking guy. I didn't even notice him at first!!

    P.S. My Borders called me to tell me that my copy was in earlier. I just got it and I couldn't be happier right now. They also had six copies of Volume 22. Griff no More, you should get your store to put them in for a transfer to yours.
    Title: Current Episodes Thread
    Post by: Griffith on October 19, 2006, 08:58:19 PM
    Griff no More, you should get your store to put them in for a transfer to yours.

    I'm in no rush, if it doesn't show up at borders, I'll just get it from Amazon the next time I do an order.

    Anyway, screw the damn spoilers, if you don't read Vagabond, stay the hell out of this thread. :chomp:

    Well, Den seems pretty thrilled that he's got Musashi in this position, and Musashi's sword is pressed sideways. So, maybe Den can at least get in some kind of symbolic or even token gesture that will add a different dimension to Musashi's tranquil post-duel expression.

    P.S. I'm surprised we've gotten this far so soon, honestly. I still have to believe that we're in for a volume of Den home movie flashbacks, at least. And then we can see the fight from different angles, and then a retrospective of Den's from the perspectives of the other characters, and Ueda can show up and say a few words, and... :carcus:
    Title: Current Episodes Thread
    Post by: SaiyajinNoOuji on October 19, 2006, 09:02:19 PM
    HOW IS IT A GOD DAMN SPOILER IF ITS PRACTICALY FROM THE BOOK WHICH ALL OF YOU HAVE READ?!!?!?!1111shitfy  :troll:

    But ok. I was just answering a question that was about the book  =(
    Title: Current Episodes Thread
    Post by: Griffith on October 24, 2006, 08:24:55 AM
    (http://www.itplanning.co.jp/images/what/vaga/pic1j.gif)Yeah, it's kind of stupid for every post in here to have spoiler boxes. Anyway, tranny's out there, and it's just as we expected. Den should use his "Final Attack" Materia with "Revive" to...

    Oh, sorry, had sort of a flashback there myself. =)



    (http://www.itplanning.co.jp/images/what/vaga/pic2j.gif)

    Sketches updated, almost looks like they're in reverse order, though I can never read these things anyway. I'll take a wild guess and say that Den kills Musashi!
    Title: Current Episodes Thread
    Post by: CnC on October 24, 2006, 11:09:43 AM
    I'll take a wild guess and say that Den kills Musashi!

    oh well,  we had a good run...
    Title: Current Episodes Thread
    Post by: Walter on October 24, 2006, 01:26:05 PM
    Yeah, order looks reversed to me too, after staring at that mess for full minute. Looks like Musashi shoves Den forward with his shoulder, causing Den to show that NOOOOO face on the first page.

    As for that jumble on the right of the "first" page, my prediction is that it's Mr. Mxyzptlk (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mr._Mxyzptlk) from the fifth dimension.
    Title: Current Episodes Thread
    Post by: Uriel on October 26, 2006, 12:24:58 PM
       Well, that was a depressing episode. Nothing surprising happened... but, still, depressing as all hell. Beautifully done, though. To have a lot of important characters together in one place made it all the greater. ( I'm content, if you couldn't tell ) I am really looking forward to seeing if Kojiro and Musashi will clash in the future. Also, I'm curious to see what events from this period Inoue will take from the book. I doubt he will follow it that strictly, but if he takes some of them... things are just getting warmed up.

    Edit: The Rurouni Kenshin OVA soundtrack might be the best music to listen to whilst reading Vagabond.
    Title: Current Episodes Thread
    Post by: CnC on October 26, 2006, 02:00:40 PM
    definitely a satisfying ending to this Tarentino-esque part of the narrative (see the future, then work your way back through the events that led up to it).

    Good stuff.  Wonder what will happen next :)
    Title: Current Episodes Thread
    Post by: Walter on October 26, 2006, 02:52:58 PM
    I didn't think it was depressing at all. It was uplifting to see Den make some reDENption for himself, ( :carcus:) after being so full of himself earlier. A great ending to the duel.

    And I think with Ueda back in the Yoshioka, he'll definitely organize an ambush at the spreading pines. And it's going to be awesome  :guts:

    Of course, the timeline is different from the novel. Musashi told Konoe he was leaving town after the duel. So, we'll see how that pans out.
    Title: Current Episodes Thread
    Post by: Uriel on October 26, 2006, 03:33:48 PM
    I didn't think it was depressing at all. It was uplifting to see Den make some reDENption for himself, after being so full of himself earlier. A great ending to the duel.

       I'm over it now, but I was still depressed to see him go, even if I knew it was going to happen. But you're right about it being uplifting.. it was a really nice way to wrap things up. Also, the panel at the end with Ueda was also a good way to ending to the chapter.
    Title: Current Episodes Thread
    Post by: Griffith on November 04, 2006, 12:53:12 AM
    I didn't think it was depressing either; made my night, anyway.

    It was uplifting to see Den make some reDENption for himself, ( :carcus:) after being so full of himself earlier. A great ending to the duel.

    Well, turned out it was actually the final conDENtion, afterall. Vain and stubborn to a fault, to the end. At least he had the sense to set up a Ryohei Life Insurance policy. =)



    Well, in 219 things started moving along faster than expected. Almost jarringly.

    I wonder if Inoue is going to skip the boy altogether, as it looks as though he's bypassed the official challenge (unless they're all going out to say "Hi!" =).

    We'll have to wait, in any case, Inoue is taking a break for a couple of weeks until the 22nd. Now is your chance to strike back, Miura! :miura:
    Title: Current Episodes Thread
    Post by: Walter on November 04, 2006, 01:27:05 AM
    Seriously, Inoue's skipping the Slacker Musashi period altogether.  This next dispute with the Yoshioka just may coincidentally end up at the spreading pine. THAT would be pretty speedy indeed.
    Title: Current Episodes Thread
    Post by: Griffith on December 14, 2006, 08:30:02 AM
    223 has surfaced, and with quite a bitter Musashi.
    Title: Current Episodes Thread
    Post by: pippin22 on January 03, 2007, 12:10:41 AM
    Well, 224 is out, but if what I hear is true 225 won't be around until March.

    Anyone check out those artbooks yet?
    Title: Current Episodes Thread
    Post by: Walter on January 03, 2007, 01:07:35 AM
    How about that 224 and the "Takuan ex Machina"?  :carcus:
    Title: Current Episodes Thread
    Post by: Griffith on January 03, 2007, 01:17:53 AM
    How about that 224 and the "Takuan ex Machina"?  :carcus:

    I think the real Dues Ex Machina was that BS for Ueda's sake, before Takuan showed up. =)
    Title: Current Episodes Thread
    Post by: Uriel on March 22, 2007, 10:08:51 AM
    Sorry to double post, but...

    THE NEW CHAPTER is out!! -- and it's definitely not sluggish to kick things off :guts: I'm so happy Vagabond is back.
    Title: Current Episodes Thread
    Post by: CnC on March 22, 2007, 12:06:58 PM
    Well the first part was rather dialogue driven (and I don't have a translation), but the last few pages were rockin'
    Title: Current Episodes Thread
    Post by: Griffith on March 22, 2007, 12:17:32 PM
    Well, I see I'm not the only one who had the release date memorized, I came here considering whether or not to revive the thread and it's already up top. :guts:

    Anyway, my favorite moment was Musashi's zombie stare on page 21, it just screams, "I AM YOUR DEATH."

    I like the cover too. BTW, volume 25 is out tomorrow in Japan and May 15th in the good ole' USA.
    Title: Current Episodes Thread
    Post by: Walter on March 22, 2007, 12:24:59 PM
    Awesome. [hide]Ueda got shown.[/hide]  I guess Mushi is trying to use others' swords before drawing his own, due to the number of people he has to fight.

    I noticed Inoue didn't bring (or at least hasn't shown yet) Denshichiro's son/the child heir of Yoshioka into this battle. Interesting.
    Title: Current Episodes Thread
    Post by: Uriel on March 22, 2007, 02:34:08 PM

      (http://img164.imageshack.us/img164/4387/vaga25lp6.jpg)
      GnM's mention of volume 25 reminded me to locate it. An improvement over volume 24, but not quite as good as 23 =P

    I like the cover too.
    Aye. It reminded me of volume 5's front cover from what back when.

    I noticed Inoue didn't bring (or at least hasn't shown yet) Denshichiro's son/the child heir of Yoshioka into this battle. Interesting.
    I too am curious about that. If I remember rightly, he's supposed to be on a hill, with a bunch of Yoshioka yojimbo.. but pages 10-11 didn't suggest that. Then again, it's been an awfully long time since I read the novel and we know Inoue isn't going page for page with his manga adaptation.

    Oh and in response to your spoiler tag: that scene kind of shocked me. I wasn't sure who it was at first, but after reading over the chapter a second time, I was certain. I guess anyone is disposable in the wake of Musashi right now.


    This is somewhat unrelated to the topic of 225 -- but I saw this and realised that I must have one:

      (http://img475.imageshack.us/img475/4163/vagatshirtln5.jpg)
    Title: Current Episodes Thread
    Post by: Blues on March 22, 2007, 06:02:38 PM
    Dear god they are churning this out FAST in the states. May 15th and caught up again?...Just, damn. I've read up to about 13 or so and own the first 5 volumes, still waiting for my store to stop being so damn lazy and fill in a few gaps. But yeah...
    Anyways, is the shirt import only or is it a stateside release?
    Title: Current Episodes Thread
    Post by: Walter on March 22, 2007, 06:21:34 PM
    Then again, it's been an awfully long time since I read the novel and we know Inoue isn't going page for page with his manga adaptation.
    Pretty sure the kid was near the tree in the novel.

    Quote
    Oh and in response to your spoiler tag: that scene kind of shocked me. I wasn't sure who it was at first, but after reading over the chapter a second time, I was certain. I guess anyone is disposable in the wake of Musashi right now.
    He had it coming. He's also the leader, and best to take him out first, while he's still surprised at his sudden appearance.

    Quote
    This is somewhat unrelated to the topic of 225 -- but I saw this and realised that I must have one:
    That shirt would be awesome if it didn't have Matahachi  :troll:
    Title: Current Episodes Thread
    Post by: March of Flames on March 23, 2007, 02:48:30 PM
    My computer is broke so I had to wait until today (hoorah college lab) to see the new chapter and I must say that it is damn good. I like how Musashi wastes no time in attacking the leader and I can't wait until the next chapter.

    What website has that shirt?
    Title: Current Episodes Thread
    Post by: Griffith on April 01, 2007, 09:43:48 PM
    New episode sheds some interesting light as usual. I wonder if Musashi was really even aware of Ueda.
    Title: Current Episodes Thread
    Post by: Miyamoto on April 02, 2007, 01:51:42 AM
    This board has good tastes I'll have to check out the latest issue.
    Title: Current Episodes Thread
    Post by: Uriel on April 03, 2007, 02:18:00 PM
    When I finally got the new chapter, I was surprised to only see 14 pages.. but the last panel more than makes up for it. Cannot wait for 227 :badbone:

    New episode sheds some interesting light as usual. I wonder if Musashi was really even aware of Ueda.

    I really got the impression that he didn't... but everyone else certainly did.
    Title: Current Episodes Thread
    Post by: Griffith on April 03, 2007, 09:13:46 PM
    When I finally got the new chapter, I was surprised to only see 14 pages.. but the last panel more than makes up for it.

    Wow, you can say that again, I honestly didn't even notice it was so short. I mean, it felt like it ended too soon and I wanted more as always, but I had no clue there were actually so few pages until I read your post, and even then I had to go check. =)
    Title: Current Episodes Thread
    Post by: Uriel on April 03, 2007, 10:40:43 PM
    That last post stank of sarcasm... but surely you'd never stoop to such methods =P
    Title: Current Episodes Thread
    Post by: Griffith on April 03, 2007, 10:53:07 PM
    No, I was quite genuinely surprised; but, my reputation supercedes me. =)

    Anyway, still wondering how this will play out, I don't think he can keep up this level of serenity for all of them; he's already arguably broken concentration on the last page, and Inoue may have left the door ajar for Ueda still.
    Title: Current Episodes Thread
    Post by: Walter on April 03, 2007, 11:16:20 PM
    No, I was quite genuinely surprised; but, my reputation supercedes me. =)

    Anyway, still wondering how this will play out, I don't think he can keep up this level of serenity for all of them; he's already arguably broken concentration on the last page, and Inoue may have left the door ajar for Ueda still.
    Yeah, I'm also suspicious of the way Ueda was struck. It could play out in many ways. But I'm guessing with a portion of his skull missing, he's no longer able to hold a sword to any proficiency.
    Title: Current Episodes Thread
    Post by: Uriel on April 05, 2007, 02:25:42 AM
    The spoiler tags don't seem to be working, so tread carefully around this post...

    227 is out and it's another belter! A little longer in length this time (16 pages of glory), and with just as much style and grace as chapter 226. The two swords are gone, but Musashi's trance like state remains. I loved the way Inoue used different methods for Musashi's strikes.. I especially like page 11 =) Feckin' badass. No signs of Ueda getting up anytime soon. Maybe that gun of his will find its way into another Yoshioka's hands though...

    I'm really starting to wish I didn't give my copy of the book away :miura:
    Title: Current Episodes Thread
    Post by: CnC on April 05, 2007, 02:42:41 PM
    Some great action depiced in that last one. Good stuff.
    Title: Current Episodes Thread
    Post by: Kagami on April 05, 2007, 08:05:38 PM
    The spoiler tags don't seem to be working, so tread carefully around this post...

    I'm really starting to wish I didn't give my copy of the book away :miura:

    Why on earth did you?!
    Title: Current Episodes Thread
    Post by: Uriel on April 05, 2007, 08:34:05 PM

    Why on earth did you?!

    A long time friend of mine, who actually introduced me to the life of Musashi, travelled from Calgary in Canada all the way to Maryland to spend a couple of hours with me at an Opeth concert. After a bunch of bullshit, including him missing his bus, getting kicked out of the gig for holding one of my beers (we was 2 days away from being 21) and me busting him back in there... well, words can't really do that kind of thing justice. So I gave him my copy as a small token of my gratitude -- and he was blown away. It was the least I could do after all that, man...
    Title: Current Episodes Thread
    Post by: Funkmasta Zeph on April 06, 2007, 11:17:59 AM
    So how many of the Ten Swordsman of Yoshioka are left now?
    Title: Current Episodes Thread
    Post by: Griffith on April 06, 2007, 11:31:54 PM
    So how many of the Ten Swordsman of Yoshioka are left now?

    Since Musashi has cut down Ueda and Horikawa, there's at least four left (of the six that confronted him before); assuming that last guy hitting the ground on page 16 wasn't Yoichi. =)

    But there should be five, it's always been kind of fuzzy and inconsistent though (different models, and number around at any given time, they usually seem one short), here's a list though:

    Ueda
    Toji
    Otaguro
    Miike
    Yoichi
    Kurando
    Horikawa
    Fujiie
    Tagaya
    Azuma

    Unless some of them have been cut down unrecognized in this battle, those five should be left, and Otaguro should still be alive but he hasn't been around since sacrificing his arm to Den.
    Title: Current Episodes Thread
    Post by: Uriel on April 13, 2007, 10:20:11 AM
    Chapter 228 was un-bloody-believable.

    You might need to strike a few more names from that list, Griff :guts:
    Title: Current Episodes Thread
    Post by: CnC on April 13, 2007, 12:19:20 PM
    Cool chaptAr.  Lovin' this action.  That head stomp was vicious
    Title: Current Episodes Thread
    Post by: Griffith on April 13, 2007, 07:02:21 PM
    Chapter 228 was un-bloody-believable.

    You might need to strike a few more names from that list, Griff :guts:

    Yeah, Fujiie's done for, and still no sign of Azuma (who hasn't been around since Den lost).
    Title: Current Episodes Thread
    Post by: Funkmasta Zeph on April 17, 2007, 02:48:24 AM
    Azuma had some freaky eyes, the sooner he's dead the better.
    Title: Current Episodes Thread
    Post by: Griffith on April 18, 2007, 01:24:27 AM
    (http://www.itplanning.co.jp/images/vaga/pic1j.gif)

    Gee, I wonder what the next issue is about???

    (http://www.itplanning.co.jp/images/vaga/pic2j.gif)

    A more a typical preview sketch.
    Title: Current Episodes Thread
    Post by: Uriel on April 19, 2007, 06:23:54 PM
    229 is out and it's similar to its recent predecessors. Amazingly... this isn't get old in the least bit. Reading this whole thing in a volume continuously will be pure joy.
    Title: Current Episodes Thread
    Post by: CnC on April 19, 2007, 07:06:09 PM
    The crows scene was creepy.

    ....awesome.
    Title: Current Episodes Thread
    Post by: Uriel on April 19, 2007, 07:51:03 PM
    The crows scene was creepy.

    ....awesome.

    Bah! I knew I forgot to mention something. What an utterly gruesome scene! I love how he didn't even flinch. But, yah.... awesome.
    Title: Current Episodes Thread
    Post by: Griffith on April 19, 2007, 10:41:40 PM
    I was hoping this was going to go volume+ last episode, and with all the little subplots like Kurando going to check on Ueda (still alive...? =), and Yoichi's attack plan, it could easily fill a couple of volumes if he wanted. But, I'm hoping for even more, namely Musashi slaying all 70 of them on screen. By my casual count, he's only up to about 26. :carcus:

    And there's always that fear that, as with Inoue lately, it's just going to jump ahead to something else; like Musashi's waking up surrounded by bodies, "What happened?" =)

    But then...

    (http://www.skullknight.net/griffith/ueda.jpg)

    Zombie Ueda ATTACK!

    Bah! I knew I forgot to mention something. What an utterly gruesome scene! I love how he didn't even flinch. But, yah.... awesome.

    Haha, rare indeed you forget to mention something! :troll:

    Sorry for the cryptic reply, but talk in the chatroom recently turned to the biggest spoilers on the site and I think your name came up, fairly or not; that's why I found this statement so funny. :guts:

    For the record, a couple of others were Dwarfkicker and... Walter! :badbone:
    Title: Current Episodes Thread
    Post by: Walter on April 19, 2007, 11:08:23 PM
    Me? Whaaaaaat? I'm the spoiler police goddamnit.
    Title: Current Episodes Thread
    Post by: Uriel on April 20, 2007, 01:17:15 AM
    Griff: :P
    I know I'm a habitual spoiler, but I've been trying hard lately, damn it!

    Me? Whaaaaaat? I'm the spoiler police goddamnit.
    Yes you! I'd need four hands to count the amount of times you've spoiled shit for me :miura: ... Okay, I'm either getting banned or demoted to -1000 posts.
    Title: Current Episodes Thread
    Post by: dwarfkicker on April 23, 2007, 01:15:51 AM
    Quote
    For the record, a couple of others were Dwarfkicker and... Walter!

    Wait....what?! :???:
    I thought the only things I spoiled were for Advent Children?

    And I apologized for that (though the damage was already done :guts: )
    Title: Current Episodes Thread
    Post by: Walter on April 23, 2007, 01:17:20 AM
    Wait....what?! :???:
    I thought the only things I spoiled were for Advent Children?

    And I apologized for that (though the damage was already done :guts: )
    I seem to remember the Superman Returns thread...
    Title: Current Episodes Thread
    Post by: dwarfkicker on April 23, 2007, 01:19:15 AM
    For some strange reason I have no memory of an incident in there.  Time to go check.


    Edit

    Oh that's right.  I quoted a spoiler.  Yeah that was pretty dumb :schierke:

    I've been good since that incident.
    Title: Current Episodes Thread
    Post by: CnC on April 23, 2007, 01:48:39 AM
    I seem to remember the Superman Returns thread...

    I believe that was Uriel.

    PS.  Damn you uriel!
    Title: Current Episodes Thread
    Post by: Uriel on April 23, 2007, 02:17:30 AM
    THAT WAS MINE, KEEP YOUR DIRTY HANDS OFF IT, YOU KICKER OF DWARVES!!
    Title: Current Episodes Thread
    Post by: dwarfkicker on April 23, 2007, 09:13:34 PM
    It was yours.  It's all yours.  But I was dumb enough to actually quote you on it as Griff pointed out in that thread.
    Title: Current Episodes Thread
    Post by: Funkmasta Zeph on April 25, 2007, 01:59:44 AM
    Take that Azuma.
    Title: Current Episodes Thread
    Post by: Griffith on May 12, 2007, 08:01:46 PM
    You guy's disappoint me, we're up to 231 and about 40 kills and nada going on in this thread. Come on, is there nothing more to say until it's over? =)



    Inoue's comments on #229 sketch page:

    "I had a dream last night.
    I was walking alongside a road and saw a wire net with numerous (dead) crows stuck to it.
    In front of me there was a group of people in a circle with their backs to me.
    Then suddenly, with a boom, one of their heads split open like a watermelon.
    He had been shot in the back of the head by someone behind me.
    The sky was yellow.
    My sketches are certainly having an effect on me...."

    #230

    "Scenes with lots of people and action scenes are tough to draw, but things feel good overall.
    I'm working on the parts which puts a lot of wear and tear on an artist's body and soul, and every week after I finish my work I feel as drained as a cast off shell, but overall things are probably at their best.
    Is it hard to understand what "the overall feeling" is?
    Although I'm mentally and physically tired, there's something... a feeling that things are worth it.
    Things certainly are worth it.
    Yes,that's the feeling."


    Oh, and start checking stores for volume 25, it's out in places.
    Title: Current Episodes Thread
    Post by: Funkmasta Zeph on May 18, 2007, 11:35:23 AM
    231, old new by now.
    Seems weve gotten a break from 10 Sword killing...but Yoichi and his group are ready to make thier move.
    Where the hell is Tagaya?
    Title: Current Episodes Thread
    Post by: Griffith on July 22, 2007, 11:27:02 PM
    (http://www.itplanning.co.jp/images/works/vb/vagapic26.gif) Cover of volume 26 is out and looks cool from the tiny picture.

    Also, #234 should hit this week, so I think we're getting a rare Berserk/Vagabond simulcast. Love those Berserkabond weeks.

    (http://www.skullknight.net/griffith/Berserkabond.jpg)
    Title: Current Episodes Thread
    Post by: CnC on July 23, 2007, 12:00:03 AM

    http://www.skullknight.net/griffith/Berserkabond.jpg

    lawl... should be a good week.
    Title: Current Episodes Thread
    Post by: Dirty Dog on July 27, 2007, 06:06:36 AM
    Griffith, I love you. :guts:

    and this is very good news for me, been waiting to see some more ass-kicking for like ever now it seems.
    Title: Current Episodes Thread
    Post by: Uriel on July 27, 2007, 11:27:19 AM
    *weeps for joy*

    (http://img62.imageshack.us/img62/2317/vagabondv26coverdb5.jpg)

    With all the Lost Odyssey information flying around, it's good to see some Musashi instead of that Kaim chap. I cannot wait to see more of the same stuff. I'm wondering if he'll take on all 70 though... I don't remember him doing so in the novel. We'll wait and see, though =)


    Edit - Good work, GnM!!
    Title: Current Episodes Thread
    Post by: Griffith on July 27, 2007, 10:19:20 PM
    Ooh, large cover shot, thanks man.

    I'm wondering if he'll take on all 70 though... I don't remember him doing so in the novel. We'll wait and see, though =)

    Well, he took them all on, he just didn't actually dispatch every last one of them. Anyway, he's got around 50 or more kills already, so I wouldn't be surprised if Inoue's doing scratch marks on his drawing desk, going all the way! =)

    From the sketches it looks like we'll be seeing Kojiro though, I hope he'll be visiting the battlefield like in the novel rather than us being pulled away from it.
    Title: Current Episodes Thread
    Post by: Uriel on July 31, 2007, 11:49:31 AM
    The newest chapter (234) was excellent!

    I can't help but like Kojiro. I think Inoue is setting it up so the conclusion crushes our soul. He might well join the fray of the battle, but after reading the chapter, I can't see how he'll make it in time. It's not impossible, though. It's been so long that I forgot what a treat it is to be reading Vagabond. One of the few manga's that delivers on every level. Pages 8 and 9 are going to be my wallpaper from now on (after some fine editing). I do hope things move along and out of Kyōto to when Musashi lives his days in solitude...

    Either way, it's good to have Musashi back =) Next week's release will rocks, no doubt.
    Title: Current Episodes Thread
    Post by: CnC on July 31, 2007, 01:15:59 PM
    I dunno man, the art is as good as always but I feel Inoue has lost the proper pacing a manga should have.   

    ... :troll:


    its excellent, as expected.
    Title: Current Episodes Thread
    Post by: Griffith on July 31, 2007, 06:28:06 PM
    Yeah, Inoue obviously doesn't care about the history of the Vagabond world. This story is obviously very flawed, he can't even do it all at once, it's like once a week; and now I have to wait another 3 days to see what lame thing happens next? I'm so disappointed as a professional Internet critic.

    Now excuse me, I have to go watch my Naruto CD-Rs and masturbate to Poke'mom hentai.
    Title: Current Episodes Thread
    Post by: Uriel on August 02, 2007, 12:32:32 PM
    Not sure who that was direct at, GnM, but it made me lulz anywho.

    Newest chapter is out this week, and from the incredible descriptive preview images, we're in for a belter!

    (http://img176.imageshack.us/img176/1360/pic1jcz0.gif)

    Looks like VTEC just kicked in, yo.

    (http://img176.imageshack.us/img176/2600/pic2jdg5.gif)

    "Aaaaaaaaah"
    Title: Current Episodes Thread
    Post by: CnC on August 02, 2007, 12:50:48 PM
    god he must have his toddler do his previews for him :)
    Title: Current Episodes Thread
    Post by: Dirty Dog on August 05, 2007, 05:47:24 AM
    my commentary on the newest chapter:
    musashi got stomped!
    Title: Current Episodes Thread
    Post by: Funkmasta Zeph on August 07, 2007, 06:47:11 AM
    Did he....did he just snap Yoichi's neck?

    Damn.

    Three more of the ten swords to go! :troll:
    Title: Current Episodes Thread
    Post by: Uriel on August 16, 2007, 04:23:23 PM
    The slaughter remains the same...

    Good chapter, but I have to wonder how many are left. Let's see if our very own Griff-Kill-O-Meter can help us tally it up!
    Title: Current Episodes Thread
    Post by: Griffith on August 16, 2007, 04:47:58 PM
    I like the cover, it's a very old school Vagabond shot, and the geezers return!

    As for kills, uhhh, 60-62? I lost count, so I'm just subtracting the 6 guys from the last panel plus Ueda and Kurando from 70, it's just easier at this point. =)

    What is Tagaya doing? It seems like he should've been killed already, where was he when Yoichi got killed? It's like Inoue just forgets about these guys when he's not drawing them. I still get the sense he writes these things from issue to issue; though, I'm not complaining, there's something fittingly exhilarating about it.
    Title: Current Episodes Thread
    Post by: Funkmasta Zeph on August 19, 2007, 04:33:03 PM
    Iv'e seen Tagaya in a couple reaction panels, at least I think so.
    Title: Current Episodes Thread
    Post by: Griffith on August 19, 2007, 09:58:03 PM
    Me too, that's why I mentioned him, because it's strange that he was MIA when Yoichi was killed (he probably could have been a big help). Before it looked like he was part of Yoichi's party, but by the time they made their way to the battle, he was gone, only to reappear now. So, either he left earlier after the Ten Swords disbanded ans it was a different guy (looked a bit different, outfit and all), or nature called? =)

    In any case, strange.
    Title: Current Episodes Thread
    Post by: Funkmasta Zeph on August 20, 2007, 11:22:20 PM
    I just read 236.
    I'm not sure but I think Tagaya got killed.
    Title: Current Episodes Thread
    Post by: Griffith on August 20, 2007, 11:52:36 PM
    Maybe, but what makes you think so? We don't see him attack Musashi, nor Musashi cutting him down.
    Title: Current Episodes Thread
    Post by: Funkmasta Zeph on August 21, 2007, 08:31:44 PM
    Around page 7 and 8 it looked like Musashi had walked up to him, and than than he slashes a guy acros the middle. Than no more Tagaya reaction shots.
    Title: Current Episodes Thread
    Post by: Griffith on August 24, 2007, 06:33:53 PM
    TAGAYA!! :daiba:
    Title: Current Episodes Thread
    Post by: CnC on August 24, 2007, 08:10:15 PM
    I guess we saw what that guy was made of... Yuck yuck
    Title: Current Episodes Thread
    Post by: Funkmasta Zeph on August 24, 2007, 09:34:24 PM
    Actually that wasn't him...267 just came out and Tagaya attacks Musashi, he might be dead now but it was....well just go see yourselves.
    Title: Current Episodes Thread
    Post by: Griffith on August 24, 2007, 10:41:54 PM
    Actually that wasn't him...267 just came out and Tagaya attacks Musashi, he might be dead now but it was....well just go see yourselves.

    Yeah, that's what we're talking about now, and before I updated my post when 237 dropped I mentioned that the guy you referenced getting killed in 236 couldn't have been Tagaya because... well, he had a different face and clothes and the situation was totally different than you described. =)
    Title: Current Episodes Thread
    Post by: Walter on August 30, 2007, 04:45:41 AM
    Poor Mushi...  :judo: This chapter ruined my day. Thanks Inoue.

    Now he'll die of a mortal wound, just like Guts after that Makara sunk his teeth through the armor.



    Preview pics for 238 are out. http://www.itplanning.co.jp/vaga.html

    Nice and worthless again. Just text, as far as I can see. What will happen to Mushi? =\
    Title: Current Episodes Thread
    Post by: Griffith on September 04, 2007, 03:32:05 PM
    Final panel = teh awesome, and all the ones before it, anyway. Man, what a bloody mess, can't wait for the next... well, it's only three days away again already.

    I was happy to see the hair finally let down. =)

    And I really like the nature of the little powwow between Ueda and Kurando. Speaking of which, I'm looking forward to seeing Musashi's reaction to zombie Ueda, especially since he may think it's over (yet the spiral truly never seems to end). I can imagine anything from not even taking notice to thinking the Yoshioka's ghosts are now attacking him. :SK:

    BTW, what do you think are the odds of Kurando possibly walking away from this? It would be a shame for there to literally be no remnant of the school left.
    Title: Current Episodes Thread
    Post by: Walter on September 04, 2007, 05:24:24 PM
    Things are coming to a crux now, with Zombie Ueda finally standing up. It'll be zombie vs zombie soon, if Musashi's FUCKING BRAIN keeps bleeding. Really looking forward to this next chapter.
    Title: Current Episodes Thread
    Post by: Uriel on September 04, 2007, 08:59:51 PM
    Aaah, that felt good.

    The past few chapters have been particularly good. I was as shocked as anyone to see Musashi get brained. Still, 239 is going to be a lot of fun. Still no kid, though....
    Title: Current Episodes Thread
    Post by: Baldulf on September 04, 2007, 10:44:28 PM
    I've just read last thirteen chapters.Right now I'm as in trance as Musashi is.
    That damn Inoue is way beyond "good" right now.

    I think I need to get laid a bit.That was exhausting.
    Title: Current Episodes Thread
    Post by: Walter on September 05, 2007, 01:13:08 AM
    I've just read last thirteen chapters.Right now I'm as in trance as Musashi is.
    That damn Inoue is way beyond "good" right now.

    I think I need to get laid a bit.That was exhausting.
    Yeah, reading them all in one sitting like that is an experience beyond most, if not all, of the series' action sequences. Kinda makes me want to read back through vol 3-4 and 21-22, to see how different things were when this scenario came about. On reflection, it's pretty depressing to think of Musashi goading Seijuro into fighting. Poor guy.  :judo:

    As if it weren't obvious at this point, after this, I say Musashi is done with the spiral.
    Title: Current Episodes Thread
    Post by: Griffith on September 05, 2007, 05:40:14 PM
    As if it weren't obvious at this point, after this, I say Musashi is done with the spiral.

    I think it's a bit premature to say anything like that with certainty at this point. I guess it depends on what you define as the spiral of death and killing beyond a phrase Musashi uses; which has been applied to himself, Kohei, Kojiro, and which theoretically applies to all those living by the sword. I don't think there's anything obvious about it certainly, even to Musashi who's still struggling to understand the way himself. What you're saying, as Musashi has used the expression, could technically amount to retirement from the way of the sword (the spiral and some form of ultimate realization may not be mutually exclusive). I'd like to see him turn into farmer Musashi for a while, transcend killing through the sheer force of his power (we'd likely see more of this phase in confrontations with opponents like Gonnosuke), but we don't know all that "the spiral" encompasses, let alone what being "done" with it would mean.

    Maybe he'll change the name of his euphemism, I suppose he could kill Sasaki Kojiro as part of the spiral of death and enlightenment. =)
    Title: Current Episodes Thread
    Post by: Walter on September 05, 2007, 05:58:06 PM
    I don't see how he could continue the way he is after the realization he came to in 237. I may be overjudging the seriousness of his current injury but he nearly died then, and I'm pretty sure he knows it too.
    Title: Current Episodes Thread
    Post by: Griffith on September 05, 2007, 06:23:30 PM
    I don't see how he could continue the way he is after the realization he came to in 237. I may be overjudging the seriousness of his current injury but he nearly died then, and I'm pretty sure he knows it too.

    Well, now I'm not even sure we're talking about the same thing. You make it sound like Musashi is going to be spooked almost. I mean, I don't think the possibility of death is such a realization to one who has years of experience putting their life behind their sword, and one who was forsaking that very life by going there in the first place. Musashi isn't so ignorant of his mortality at this point, perhaps more aware than ever. I think it's more about that kindness that comes with true strength, he's already seeing things he didn't before, and doesn't want to necessarily slay all these people exactly because he already knows he can, a struggle that first started with Den. He wasn't ready with Den, and circumstances don't permit it with this mob, but I think the ugliness of this situation all around (including your point about his wounds) is what has implications for his future. It is a big step though, since he technically hasn't been able move on from this since volume 3, it's the same struggle that started with his "vulgar ambition" a Ueda described it.

    And let's not go overboard on his injury just yet; remember, a katana sliced into his eyelid and didn't do permanant damage or even leave a scar. =)
    Title: Current Episodes Thread
    Post by: Baldulf on September 05, 2007, 07:06:17 PM
    Yes.I'm with Griffith No More! in this point.

    Though it's obvious that this event is going to have serious consequences in Musashi's behaviour I always thought that the spiral will continue until the final match against Kojiro.

    After this Musahi would have to fight with many challengers.Those battles are going to be a part of the spiral,a consequence of his previous acts.At least that is my opinion.

    About the injury,I didn't pay it much attention.Hell! Even that piece of ear could grow again.
    Title: Current Episodes Thread
    Post by: Walter on September 05, 2007, 07:08:49 PM
    About the injury,I didn't pay it much attention.Hell! Even that piece of ear could grow again.
    I guess what drew my attention about the wound was his exposed brain matter. (http://www.skullknight.net/griffith/griff2b.gif)
    Title: Current Episodes Thread
    Post by: Griffith on September 05, 2007, 07:13:23 PM
    I guess what drew my attention about the wound was his exposed brain matter. (http://www.skullknight.net/griffith/griff2b.gif)

    Brain matter or not (which is inconclusive, and not likely, we just like to say it's so because that's cooler than "a head wound" =), the injury was already less serious in this chapter than it appeared in the last, as always. He'll put a band-aid on it and we'll hear that he almost dyed from his injuries later on, after the fact, "It was so bad, I was on the brink of death for days." :guts:
    Title: Current Episodes Thread
    Post by: Baldulf on September 05, 2007, 07:30:14 PM
    Vagabond meets Mugen no Junin!

    Two wonderful series by the price of one.

    Title: Current Episodes Thread
    Post by: Griffith on September 06, 2007, 10:26:25 AM
    http://www.itplanning.co.jp/vaga.html

    Hey, I can actually tell what's happening in these ones... Musashi is alone! =)

    Though among crows, and in two page spread form... then seemingly talking to someone he cut down? :idea:

    Inoue's words according to babelfish:
    Quote from: Inoue
    Those where load falls on the body which was called to the interval of work the Chinese noodles and the ice are eaten unintentionally. Night and combining.
    It is September, it meaning that month and season change, it can certainly overcome also this bad habit probably is.
    Fall we like.
       
    2007.9.5
    Katuhiko Inoue

    Uhhh, yeah.
    Title: Current Episodes Thread
    Post by: Sparnage on September 06, 2007, 01:23:19 PM
    Just read up to Chapter 237 recently, rather pleased with how much it's entertained me thus far.

    I'm looking forward to seeing Kojiro and Musashi's next meeting more than anything, it's interesting to see how the two interact each other. It's interesting that Kojiro seems to want to see Musashi so much as well, he always seems so aloof from everyone else. 
    Title: Current Episodes Thread
    Post by: Griffith on September 06, 2007, 07:43:02 PM
    Holy shit, 239 has already hit and I was only checking for a 238 translation. =)

    Wow, I thought I recognized those bodies... man, I'm actually a little upset by this next ambush, I mean, what scum, really. But at least it shows they're playing for keeps here, and that Ueda's head is still clear (at the same time, there's still a certain obsessive and arbitrary madness involved at trying so earnestly at this point). It's even a PINCER ATTACK! =)

    Nice to see Tagaya get some due.
    Title: Current Episodes Thread
    Post by: CnC on September 06, 2007, 08:12:10 PM
      Yea its kinda low (pun... intended).  good cliffhanger, tho
    Title: Current Episodes Thread
    Post by: Uriel on September 07, 2007, 12:17:07 AM
    That's just not on!
    Title: Current Episodes Thread
    Post by: Griffith on September 14, 2007, 08:23:51 AM
    http://www.itplanning.co.jp/vaga.html

    (http://www.itplanning.co.jp/images/vaga/vol.gif)

    (http://www.itplanning.co.jp/images/vaga/240a.gif)

    (http://www.itplanning.co.jp/images/vaga/240b.gif)

    Quote from:  Inoue through Babel Fish
    40 years while living, now the busiest air does.
    You say with it does not move restlessly and/or that it is busy, incessantly telephones the image which the り is done does not float with carrying?
    So the cartoonist it is busy, you draw simply intently facing toward the desk! You draw! You draw! ! Because is, キツ which was different from such, cannot escape is, well....
    Simply, because the result which has persevered here fall of this year (already fall), from around November one after another becomes shape, without escaping to encouragement, it continues, at the time of the harvesting.
    In addition that time tell the thought in various ways.

    Being able to renew long thing ニƒ…ウス, because increase it is, it tried writing here on the long め at least.
       
    2007.9.11
    Katuhiko Inoue

    Love what Babel Fish did with his name. =)
    Title: Current Episodes Thread
    Post by: Walter on September 14, 2007, 08:45:00 AM
    Another masterful preview from Kartoon Hiko. Are these illegible previews just a way for Inoue to stick it to THE MAN for apparently making him do previews in the first place?

    Looking forward to seeing if Mushi makes it this time  :judo:
    Title: Current Episodes Thread
    Post by: Uriel on September 14, 2007, 04:15:16 PM
    I can't wait...

    I've started rereading Vagabond from the very start. This feud has come so far and it's still compelling.
    Title: Current Episodes Thread
    Post by: Walter on September 14, 2007, 05:55:26 PM
    I can't wait...

    I've started rereading Vagabond from the very start. This feud has come so far and it's still compelling.
    I took the day off work today, so I'll be doing this too. Today is going to rock.  :guts:
    Title: Current Episodes Thread
    Post by: Funkmasta Zeph on September 15, 2007, 08:01:51 AM
    I guess the previews would be better for someone who could.....read the chickenscratch japanese in it.
    Title: Current Episodes Thread
    Post by: Baldulf on September 17, 2007, 03:34:36 PM
    The chapter is already out.And is a great one,as expected.

    It mixes reflexive moments,flashbacks and cliffhanger action.Inoue at his best!


    Can't wait for a translation of this.
    Title: Current Episodes Thread
    Post by: Uriel on September 17, 2007, 03:41:13 PM
    Aaah, that was excellent.

    Again, it's a Vagabond chapter that demands translations -- as beautiful as the art is, a lot is lost. You get a general feel for how it's going though... my prediction is fairly obvious one:

    Musashi makes Ueda cut down his own man.
    Title: Current Episodes Thread
    Post by: Walter on September 17, 2007, 04:27:46 PM
    my prediction is fairly obvious one
    I'm not sure it's that obvious. I know it's black and white art, but that really looks like the shade of Musashi's outfit.

    Great chapter, and yeah, a translation will be needed.  If it helps any, Ueda's line on page 8 reads: "A SINGLE STROKE!" It sure was cute to see Den, Seij and Ueda as kids together.  Too bad since we're seeing a flashback Ueda's done for.
    Title: Current Episodes Thread
    Post by: Baldulf on September 17, 2007, 05:15:39 PM
    In fact Ueda should have bleed to death long ago.So he's living in "borrowed time" to fulfill his duty.


    Damn! I love this manga!
    Title: Current Episodes Thread
    Post by: CnC on September 17, 2007, 05:23:02 PM
    I kinda agree with Uriel's prediction, here.

    Too bad since we're seeing a flashback Ueda's done for.

    yyyup..
    Title: Current Episodes Thread
    Post by: Griffith on September 17, 2007, 06:45:00 PM
    Yeah, the obvious prediction aside, that shade and shape is the closest match to Musashi's pants, like Ueda is stabbing him in the butt; seriously, it looks like he's nailing him right in the asshole. So Musashi will have a new scar and will never crap again without thinking of the Yoshioka; nice legacy, Ueda. =)

    Anyway, I think a deep wound on the backside of Musashi's legs or backside would be reasonable. Of course, it could just be Kurando's clothes darkened for the "dramatic effect" of the moment. i.e. to confuse us.

    And young Kempo, awesome. Man, Den was ugly even as a little kid. =)



    P.S. I'm glad the episode came out, I was feeling like I opened the Inn just as a drought hit the area. =)
    Title: Current Episodes Thread
    Post by: Walter on September 17, 2007, 07:59:19 PM
    It was cool to see that Den was not just the spiritual successor to Yoshioka, but also inherited the blunt end of his father's looks.  :guts:

    Inoue rules.
    Title: Current Episodes Thread
    Post by: Griffith on September 17, 2007, 09:04:04 PM
    Yeah, I'm always impressed with how well Inoue conveys different ages/family resemblance. You could see in in his old incarnation (obvious resemblance to Den, and somewhat to Seijuro), and I think there's even a little Ueda thrown in there for fun. =)
    Title: Current Episodes Thread
    Post by: Uriel on September 17, 2007, 09:13:12 PM
    Yeah, I'm always impressed with how well Inoue conveys different ages/family resemblance. You could see in in his old incarnation (obvious resemblance to Den, and somewhat to Seijuro), and I think there's even a little Ueda thrown in there for fun. =)

    OH THAT WAS KEMPO!?

    :P

    It's hard not to like the ever-smiling Kempo, even if he doesn't have a major presence in the manga.
    Title: Current Episodes Thread
    Post by: Walter on September 17, 2007, 09:28:28 PM
    It's hard not to like the ever-smiling Kempo, even if he doesn't have a major presence in the manga.
    I dunno about that, Kempo's ghost lingers in almost every scene of the Yoshioka, whether visually or in memory. He's constantly referenced. His legacy was their foundation.
    Title: Current Episodes Thread
    Post by: Griffith on September 17, 2007, 09:35:20 PM
    Yeah, to me he has a major presence in the story, larger than life and above it all; and by the same token, he's not a major character in it.
    Title: Current Episodes Thread
    Post by: Uriel on September 18, 2007, 11:57:51 AM
    ...he has a major presence in the story, larger than life and above it all; and by the same token, he's not a major character in it.

    Mmm.

    This is what I meant by lack of "presence" -- perhaps I should have said "on -screen presence"? Be that as it may, I agree with you both.
    Title: Current Episodes Thread
    Post by: Griffith on September 19, 2007, 04:54:45 PM
    http://www.itplanning.co.jp/vaga.html

    (http://www.itplanning.co.jp/images/vaga/vol.gif)

    (http://www.itplanning.co.jp/images/vaga/241a.gif)

    (http://www.itplanning.co.jp/images/vaga/241b.gif)

    I think I see something... is that...? Yes! Ueda accidentally stabbed a text bubble and it popped! Seriously, I'm still hoping he stabs Mushi in the butt, though. =)

    Quote from:  Inoue through Babel Fish
    SIME Being intensive ardently, the flesh and mind appeal ヤスマセロヤスマセロ.
    As for inside motivation fresh the flesh and mind, there being a healthy sleep time to that, with the thing, that it is not it not to be possible the fact that it keeps renewing, your own work) with those of what (level proper you say, it connects barely with the sense of responsibility of the ひ そ and kana self-confidence or a certain kind and has stopped.
    Such a today this - - it does with time.
    The ふ ふ ふ - it is
       
    2007.9.18
    Takehiko Inoue

    I decided to just go ahead correct his name this time.
    Title: Current Episodes Thread
    Post by: Uriel on September 19, 2007, 10:28:49 PM
    Could you keep the pictures under spoiler tags next time, Griff?

    You ruined the entire chapter :miura:
    Title: Current Episodes Thread
    Post by: Walter on September 20, 2007, 05:31:35 AM
    Really, 240 was one of the worst cliffhangers yet as far as dramatic tension is concerned, and I mean that in the best way possible. This whole chapter hinges on whose clothing material got slashed. Every Vagabond nerd since 240 has been cross-comparing different Gi materials to determine who's getting the butt-ax.

    That being said, can't wait!  :serpico:
    Title: Current Episodes Thread
    Post by: Baldulf on September 21, 2007, 02:01:11 PM
    Chapter is out.

    More flashback,more cliffhanger and,unlike I thought,Ueda didn't stabbed himself in the ass.
    Title: Current Episodes Thread
    Post by: Walter on September 21, 2007, 02:25:09 PM
    Man, Musashi just can't catch a break at all.
    Title: Current Episodes Thread
    Post by: CnC on September 21, 2007, 02:34:53 PM
    The flashback was cool.
    Title: Current Episodes Thread
    Post by: Funkmasta Zeph on September 21, 2007, 06:12:22 PM
    Seems like Ueda died after the slash. Had two thoughts than sorta flatlined.
    Title: Current Episodes Thread
    Post by: Griffith on September 21, 2007, 07:19:52 PM
    Alright, I won the office pool on "who got sliced!?" I knew my careful study of Musashi's backside would pay off. Actually, I'm just really happy Inoue didn't do that same trick twice, because it happened already in 228, and since it was guessed by everyone on the Internet, it obviously wasn't the most original move at this point. Some people were even going out of their way though, saying it was Matahachi (who's not established as around), Kojiro (who's established as miles away), and Tagaya (who's established as... dead, and Yoshioka =), basically, anyone but the guy who Ueda's sword was coming down on. I just wish Musashi had been hurt more.

    Anyway, loved the flashback as well, and had to laugh at the start because I thought to myself as a joke after the last episode, "Wouldn't it be funny if instead of showing us what happens, Inoue just goes yet into another flashback?" Didn't think he'd do it though, next week it'll be 19 pages of Kurando's life, with 1 page of the present. =)

    Also, looks like he was the one disarmed (by the sword), think Musashi has basically already killed him on page 19 as well? I would be interested to see how Musashi would handle him if he were only disarmed and wounded, especially since they were the ones that had the conversation earlier regarding, "Must this go on?" and it would give Musashi a chance to test out any newfound kindness. Probably dead either way though...
    Title: Current Episodes Thread
    Post by: Walter on September 24, 2007, 04:28:28 PM
    Translation for 240 is up.

    Here's the final version of what Inoue wrote before the 240 preview. Just another blog entry  :guts:

    Quote from: Takehiko Inoue
    I think this is the busiest I've ever been in all my 40 years.
    When someone says they're busy doesn't an image of them running around, always on their cellphone come to mind?
    But it's a bit different for manga artists. Being busy means that we're stuck at our desk drawing! drawing! drawing!
    Which is hard to escape from in its own way...
    But I'll see the fruits of my labor this Fall (it's already Fall), starting around November.
    So I'm going to stick with it until it's harvest time.
    Please let me know what you think of them when the time comes.

    I haven't updated my News in a long time, so I thought I'd write a bit more here.
    Which seems to hint at another extended break in November. Fine with me, the guy's been pumping out these episodes at an insane rate this summer. At this rate, I believe he may be trying to finish another volume. Volume 27 will end with 242, assuming it's the same length as the other volumes (8 episodes).
    Title: Current Episodes Thread
    Post by: Walter on September 24, 2007, 05:00:49 PM
    By the way, it looks like the next chapter will be the final one in Volume 27.
    Title: Current Episodes Thread
    Post by: Uriel on September 25, 2007, 02:18:18 AM
    Mmm...

    ... and then the Spiral of Waiting and Frustration will begin again....
    Title: Current Episodes Thread
    Post by: Walter on September 25, 2007, 03:52:16 AM
    Mmm...

    ... and then the Spiral of Waiting and Frustration will begin again....
    Well, he has been very, very productive the past few months. I think the guy deserves a good long break.
    Title: Current Episodes Thread
    Post by: Uriel on September 25, 2007, 05:53:10 PM
    Well, he has been very, very productive the past few months. I think the guy deserves a good long break.

    Mm.. I really shouldn't complain.

    I'm sure the poor guy looks a little like Musashi right now.. utterly exhausted -- but he's still a winner.

    Before            After
    (http://img221.imageshack.us/img221/4346/inouelv6.gif)    (http://img260.imageshack.us/img260/9179/inouetiredhi9.gif)
    Title: Current Episodes Thread
    Post by: Griffith on September 25, 2007, 10:33:58 PM
    http://www.itplanning.co.jp/vaga.html#top

    (http://www.itplanning.co.jp/images/vaga/vol.gif)

    (http://img213.imageshack.us/img213/6706/poorinouehs7.jpg)

    Interesting, no sketches, and...

    Quote from: Inoue via babelfish
    Being this week to be publication schedule, it does, but it became the time out and it could not publish.
    We apologize to the related everyone.
    In addition everyone of the reader who enjoys publication, it did not have to be met by expectation.

    You try that here several weeks (even now is but) your own state probably become becoming aware in order perhaps for you to think of the future your own way.

    * The amount which this time is not recorded becomes the next week publication.
       
    2007.9.25
    Takehiko Inoue

    Looks like Uriel wasn't far off with his exhausted Musashi/Inoue quip in the last thread, looks like Inoue might have even missed his deadline this week; the WORST CASE SCENARIO!

    In any case, looks like we shouldn't look forward to any Vagabond this week.



    UPDATE:

    http://www.itplanning.co.jp/vaga.html

    (http://www.itplanning.co.jp/images/vaga/vol.gif)

    (http://www.itplanning.co.jp/images/vaga/242a.gif)

    (http://www.itplanning.co.jp/images/vaga/242b.gif)

    Wow, probably some of the most detailed sketches ever, it's like a real preview of pages.

    Quote from: Inoue 242 update via babelfish
    Last week it was not in time and it was スミマセン. In addition the mail and the entry etc. which the variety you worry thank you. This is the rust of 27 volumes. Simply, there being an amount which cannot enter, being to revise that in the pleasure.

    2007.10.2
    Takehiko Inoue

    According to babelfish, this is the rest of the series... or the rust on it? :guts:

    Anyway, I hope it's an extra large or detailed episode.
    Title: Current Episodes Thread
    Post by: Walter on September 25, 2007, 10:43:00 PM
    Whoa, he missed a deadline. That's pretty serious news. Oh well, I can wait.

    I'd actually rather he took it easy and got it out on a schedule that didn't make him miss deadlines and contemplate suicide, personally.
    Title: Current Episodes Thread
    Post by: Uriel on September 25, 2007, 11:03:35 PM
    Aa,

    I was going to use the WORST CASE SCENARIO (http://img213.imageshack.us/img213/6706/poorinouehs7.jpg) image back in the 241 thread... I didn't want to curse the chapter, though! Luckily, Griff filled in the blanks for me :P

    After skimping on my Japanese homework, I finally finished re-re-reading Vagabond. It's going to make the upcoming chapter even more poignant for me.. so if I start gushing uncontrollably when it does come out, please feel free to cyber-slap me. I can't complain though, the new Berserk episode is coming our way and I have LOTS of things I could be doing in the mean time... like studying so eventually I can give us better preview translations.

    Thank you for the update, Griff (I refuse to call you Musashi =P)
    Title: Current Episodes Thread
    Post by: Griffith on October 02, 2007, 08:42:32 AM
    I was going to use the WORST CASE SCENARIO (http://img213.imageshack.us/img213/6706/poorinouehs7.jpg) image back in the 241 thread... I didn't want to curse the chapter, though! Luckily, Griff filled in the blanks for me :P

    Hahaha, I put that up there as our placeholder sketch for this week. =)

    After skimping on my Japanese homework, I finally finished re-re-reading Vagabond.

    Hey, let's put that homework to use and start translating 241. :carcus:

    Thank you for the update, Griff (I refuse to call you Musashi =P)

    You WILL respect my new name here, or I'll change yours to Urinal!

    Hmmm, well, how about if I change it to Mushi, instead? Got a great avatar for that too...



    UPDATE:

    Sketches are up and I updated the first post with them, mighty detailed too, basically spoilers. =)
    Title: Current Episodes Thread
    Post by: Walter on October 02, 2007, 01:43:06 PM
    Well, it appears the fight is over. Good way to finish out 27.
    Title: Current Episodes Thread
    Post by: Uriel on October 02, 2007, 02:59:22 PM
    Hey, let's put that homework to use and start translating 24

    Maybe in a year or so, I just =P

    Hmmm, well, how about if I change it to Mushi, instead?

    Mmm, "Bug" is much more appropriate! :ganishka:

    Well, it appears the fight is over. Good way to finish out 27.

    Grah!

    I must avert my eyes from the preview! Volume 27 was incredible. I'm hoping for a very, very bloody volume cover ala volume 5!
    Title: Current Episodes Thread
    Post by: Funkmasta Zeph on October 03, 2007, 03:06:41 AM
    Waiting for Berserk releases sure makes a man out of ya.
    Makes even a missed Vagabond week seem like nothing.
    Let alone weekly series.
    Title: Current Episodes Thread
    Post by: Griffith on October 03, 2007, 08:38:23 PM
    Well, it appears the fight is over. Good way to finish out 27.

    And this preview bodes well for Kurando's survival chances, mostly because it confirms Musashi didn't already kill him in the last issue. =)

    Mmm, "Bug" is much more appropriate! :ganishka:

    Mushi is not amushed, more confushed.

    Grah!

    I must avert my eyes from the preview! Volume 27 was incredible. I'm hoping for a very, very bloody volume cover ala volume 5!

    Well, though it's not usually the norm, perhaps we've already seen it as with 26; the image from the cover of Morning that contained #236 would be perfectly appropriate minus all that junky magazine lettering.

    Waiting for Berserk releases sure makes a man out of ya.
    Makes even a missed Vagabond week seem like nothing.
    Let alone weekly series.

    Well, start growing out those chest hairs; Miura's not back until November and Inoue is sure to take at least a few weeks off after this release. Dark days ahead.
    Title: Current Episodes Thread
    Post by: Walter on October 04, 2007, 01:39:40 AM
    And this preview bodes well for Kurando's survival chances, mostly because it confirms Musashi didn't already kill him in the last issue. =)
    Call me crazy, but it looks like Kurando's ghost in the preview shots. :SK: :isidro:
    Title: Current Episodes Thread
    Post by: Griffith on October 04, 2007, 02:34:16 AM
    Call me crazy, but it looks like Kurando's ghost in the preview shots. :SK: :isidro:

    No no, great call. I was wondering what the hell was going on because the guy on the ground with the slice also looked like Kurando (and I figured Ueda was done talking). Now the preview makes even more sense, can't wait to see what's actually going on here.
    Title: Current Episodes Thread
    Post by: Walter on October 04, 2007, 02:41:34 AM
    Well, I hope I'm wrong and it's just Inoue's wanky line work in these previews that's throwing me off. If so... poor, pragmatic Kurando.  :judo: I wanted him to be the Yoshioka to walk away from this. He's the only one who kept a level head throughout this whole ordeal.
    Title: Current Episodes Thread
    Post by: Griffith on October 11, 2007, 12:14:35 PM
    Well, it would seem he's certainly been hit, I mean, we thought he was probably dead by the end of the last issue, and the wound in that preview is consistent with where Musashi's sword would have to be in the shot of their exchange on page 19 of 241. If he's still alive, either dying or some sort of an Inshun/Shinnosuke situation, he's hurtin'.

    But yeah, I wouldn't mind it just being some of Inoue's "sketchiness" at work.

    Musashi probably just has has a cold and is hallucinating (inside joke =).



    Ahhhh, I had to stay up until 6am for it, but it was well worth it (I know what my favorite moment is, by far =), soak it in boys, and may Inoue enjoy his well deserved vacation.


    BTW,

    WTF!?

    I think you'll know what I mean after finishing it.
    Title: Current Episodes Thread
    Post by: CnC on October 11, 2007, 12:49:54 PM
    BTW,

    WTF!?

    I think you'll know what I mean after finishing it.

    I'm not entirely sure what just happened...
    Title: Current Episodes Thread
    Post by: Griffith on October 11, 2007, 12:59:38 PM
    I'm not entirely sure what just happened...

    Yeah, sure wasn't expecting that one, it kind of makes sense in a crazy woman scorned kind of way, especially since she's trash... on that note, I hope the only reason he's concerned is because the knife was poisoned and she has the antidote. =)

    Anyway, fuck that, ZOMBIE-UEDA-4-LIFE! You guys see that shit!?
    Title: Current Episodes Thread
    Post by: Baldulf on October 11, 2007, 01:46:08 PM
    Eeer... I didn't get what happened at the begining of the chapter.
    Title: Current Episodes Thread
    Post by: Dreft on October 11, 2007, 03:01:30 PM
    Yeah, sure wasn't expecting that one, it kind of makes sense in a crazy woman scorned kind of way, especially since she's trash... on that note, I hope the only reason he's concerned is because the knife was poisoned and has the antidote. =)

    Anyway, fuck that, ZOMBIE-UEDA-4-LIFE! You guys see that shit!?


    Well, anyone would freak out after first meeting the ghost of the guy you just killed, then being groped by some zombie, and finally meeting some random character who hasn't been seen for God knows how long, who appears out of nowhere and disappears into, well, nowhere! Crazy shit!

    I feel sorry for Ueda though, but then again, I feel sorry for everyone Musashi (or Kojiro), brutally slaughters. This manga is so depressing :(
    Title: Current Episodes Thread
    Post by: Uriel on October 11, 2007, 03:38:13 PM

    Anyway, fuck that, ZOMBIE-UEDA-4-LIFE! You guys see that shit!?


    That was an awesome, awesome moment.

    Gah, I loved this chapter so much. Never a dull moment for Musashi, is there? I can't find the characters for poison anywhere in said characters little spiel -- but I was just as surprised as Musashi to see her! Maybe his look of concern was because the threw herself off the ledge into the rapids below? Hard to say.. but man, Inoue has made my crappy week much better. I should send the chap an e-mail! And randomly -- any takers on the "Kurando to Haunt Musashi" theory? He's not as distinguished as the other spectres in Musashi's head... but there is always a possibility.

    I know if might seem unlikely, but what to you chaps think Musashi stomping out The Last Yoshioka? I do feel that it's very important to the character development of Musashi... sort like this:

    (http://img512.imageshack.us/img512/9894/ivebecomeanmonsterry0.jpg)

    Maybe with an eye-patch...
    Title: Current Episodes Thread
    Post by: Walter on October 11, 2007, 05:27:46 PM
    Definitely a cool chapter. Zombie Ueda was the highlight for me.
    (http://skullknight.net/images/zombieueda2.jpg) MUSASHI, I CAN STILL SEE YOUR EXPOSED GREY MATTER... MORE BRAAAAAINS...!

    Anyway, just from my basic Japanese knowledge, Akemi says something about having been Seijuro's woman on page 18 (printed page number), just before she throws herself in the rapids. I too am wondering the seriousness of her having stabbed him. The translation will likely help with that.

    Several months until the next chapter. I believe it said Feb 7... Hey, maybe it'll return to Matahachi for a while!   :isidro:

    PS: Baldulf Dreft, we last saw Akemi in Volume 21. So, it wasn't that random really. You can even sort of see her considering this action in vol 21, when Seijuro perhaps jokingly suggests her using her charms on Musashi to make him "lose his edge." You know... this all reminds me of when he stepped on that nail just after he thought he was unstoppable in volume 12. He always gets brought back down to earth.
    Title: Current Episodes Thread
    Post by: Baldulf on October 11, 2007, 08:50:30 PM
    No,I was thinking about the Kurando part.Didn't cath the action there.

    The Akemi part was good and a surprise but not hard to understand.
    Title: Current Episodes Thread
    Post by: Walter on October 11, 2007, 08:54:22 PM
    No,I was thinking about the Kurando part.Didn't cath the action there.

    The Akemi part was good and a surprise but not hard to understand.
    Whoops, my bad. I ment Dreft and his post about how "some random character who hasn't been seen for God knows how long"  :guts:
    Title: Current Episodes Thread
    Post by: Griffith on October 11, 2007, 09:33:46 PM
    Have we just suspended spoiler tags here? Glad I read it first, you guys even add pictures ("here's the best moment!" =).

    Anyway, I was only joking about the poison/antidote stuff, you know, that's the only reason he'd care that she jumped, heh heh...? Nevermind, bad joke. Anyway, reminds me of when Granny Hon'iden cuts him in the book (even Musashi's last expression reminds me of her "Matahatchi, what have you done!?" face). And man, Musashi's guard has been down for like, the past 3 or 4 issues already; he's spent. Next he's going to walk into a door.

    But I understand his surprise, it was over to him after he kill Den, this is the same surprise as when he got this challenge in the first place; it should be over by principle, but it's not, it's never over. This death and killing has SPIRALED out of control, and it's still the fight he started; before Musashi made everyone an enemy with his own bloodthirst, now... everyone really IS his enemy because he's probably killed their loved one. I mean, Akemi will probably represent the last, most surprising, strike of anyone connected to the Yoshioka ("look out, Oko has an axe, Musashi!"), but it's like Takuan told him, all those people had family and ones they loved, that loved them too.

    Time to get out of Kyoto. =)

    Akemi says something about having been Seijuro's woman on page 18 (printed page number), just before she throws herself in the rapids.

    Yeah, that's what I was hoping for, thinking it was either that or over really something shitty like Musashi says, "Huh, Akemi? Akemi who?" I'm glad it was at least somewhat the former (I still haven't ruled out selfish whining about being alone now), at least this is somewhat respectful.
    Title: Current Episodes Thread
    Post by: Walter on October 11, 2007, 09:48:45 PM
    Have we just suspended spoiler tags here? Glad I read it first, you guys even add pictures ("here's the best moment!" =).
    I should have spoiled out a few of my statements, and I have retroactively done so with mine and Uriel's posts. My rationale at the moment was: Griff, CnC and Uriel have seen it already. Who else actually keeps up with Vagabond on these forums?  :guts:

    Quote
    Akemi will probably represent the last, most surprising, strike of anyone connected to the Yoshioka ("look out, Oko has an axe, Musashi!"), but it's like Takuan told him, all those people had family and ones they loved, that loved them too.
    There's always the possibility the wolf who dragged Ueda in from the fields will have one last chomp of justice. But seriously, yeah I personally think this is the end of the arc.

    Quote
    Time to get out of Kyoto. =)
    Up next, Farmer Musashi! Or, Edo.

    As for Kurando staying in Musashi's head, I don't really think so. He didn't exactly have the same impact (or any at all) on Musashi as In'ei and Yagyu.
    Title: Current Episodes Thread
    Post by: Griffith on October 11, 2007, 10:05:18 PM
    My rationale at the moment was: Griff, CnC and Uriel have seen it already. Who else actually keeps up with Vagabond on these forums?

    Yeah, that's what I was thinking; the 5 people who actually read this section already saw it, huh?

    There's always the possibility the wolf who dragged Ueda in from the fields will have one last chomp of justice.

    Seriously, you could have had anyone show up there. I have new respect for all those "maybe whoever got in the way and Ueda cut them down instead of Musashi" theories. Well, no, I really don't.

    But seriously, yeah I personally think this is the end of the arc.
    Up next, Farmer Musashi! Or, Edo.

    FARMER! FARMER!

    Old Musashi had a farm, E-I-E-I-O.
    On that farm he had a sword, E-I-E-I-O.
    With a nntahn here, and nntahn there...

    He definitely needs a change of pace and scenery, and it might be nice if he found a way to channel his strength into something he could feel good about, like helping people as nobody else can. Kill 70 men... but for a good cause. =)
    Title: Current Episodes Thread
    Post by: Dreft on October 11, 2007, 11:33:49 PM
    PS: Baldulf Dreft, we last saw Akemi in Volume 21. So, it wasn't that random really. You can even sort of see her considering this action in vol 21, when Seijuro perhaps jokingly suggests her using her charms on Musashi to make him "lose his edge." You know... this all reminds me of when he stepped on that nail just after he thought he was unstoppable in volume 12. He always gets brought back down to earth.

    You're right, it wasn't random and it was fitting, but I have to say, it was really unexpected for me. As it was for Musashi! At least he hasn't seen her for ages! (Well, that's what I remember... He remembers her as that little girl, so I should be right about that :) ). I wonder what was going through her head, as she felt an affection for both Seijuro and Musashi. I also wonder what effect this has on Musashi.. He already was brought back to earth after slaughtering all the Yoshioka, I wonder if this made an extra impact. Off course, the Yoshioka were nameless guys for him, and they already made such an impact on him. It's as Griff said, she should really make him think, as the spiral of death and killing has gone to far. Swordsman laying down their lives is one thing, but little girls!

    About the spoiler tags... The fact that this is a topic about the newest vagabond chapter, shouldn't that be enough evidence that there will probably be spoilers in this topic? That people should read the chapter
    first, and after that, the discussion in this thread?
    Title: Current Episodes Thread
    Post by: Walter on October 12, 2007, 01:07:01 AM
    I wonder what was going through her head, as she felt an affection for both Seijuro and Musashi.
    Well, her crush on "Takezo" was pretty petty, and she's had at least a year with Seijuro, even allegedly been engaged to him, so it's pretty clear where her REAL affections were, I think.

    Quote
    About the spoiler tags... The fact that this is a topic about the newest vagabond chapter, shouldn't that be enough evidence that there will probably be spoilers in this topic? That people should read the chapter
    first, and after that, the discussion in this thread?
    Yeah I tend to agree, however for this situation, I wasn't even aware the chapter was out yet, so what do I do but click the thread's title on the main index, and it takes me to the newest post, which may or may not contain spoilers. So, you see for the brief time after the episode is released, I think spoilers should be tagged. After a few days/weeks, it's fair game.
    Title: Current Episodes Thread
    Post by: Dreft on October 12, 2007, 09:24:35 AM
    Well, her crush on "Takezo" was pretty petty, and she's had at least a year with Seijuro, even allegedly been engaged to him, so it's pretty clear where her REAL affections were, I think.

    Yeah I tend to agree, however for this situation, I wasn't even aware the chapter was out yet, so what do I do but click the thread's title on the main index, and it takes me to the newest post, which may or may not contain spoilers. So, you see for the brief time after the episode is released, I think spoilers should be tagged. After a few days/weeks, it's fair game.

    Yeah, you're right twice. But I don't think her crush on Takezo was that petty. It was childish and unrealistic, but it lasted for four years, in which she waited for him to return. She even cried when Matahachi told her he still was alive. Waiting for someone for such a long time means he had quite an effect on her. But then again, her relationship with Seijuro has grown a lot since then, at that moment she started thinking that he wasn't that bad, but a year later she gave herself to Seijuro. So of course, Seijuro is her real affection at this moment. But the way she said she knew Takezo  "a little" in volume 21, signifies for me that there still is some lingering affection for Takezo. (Or she is afraid that Musashi will cut Seijuro down. And of course, Musashi isn't Takezo anymore.) So I think we shouldn't reject her crush for Takezo that easily, even though I agree she is Seijuro's woman now.

    I think I'll just have to wait for a translation, then it'll be all clear.
    Title: Current Episodes Thread
    Post by: Griffith on October 12, 2007, 07:51:20 PM
    Yeah, I still don't think her obsession with him is to be underestimated (she was crying over him after 4 years, and that was only a year ago), whatever her relationship with Seijuro. One which wasn't ever really going to end in marriage; that was just Oko's deluded fantasy, and Akemi knew it. Especially after Seijuro offended her the last time they were together, basically treating her like a whore in regards to Musashi. And I especially know this since I just read the translation and yes, she predictably had some whiny bullshit about how Mushi should have taken her with him, wah wah wah, ya know, 5 years ago.

    Typical woman. :carcus:




    P.S. I'm even taking back and witholding the respect I gave her for the moment for invoking Seijuro as a motivation in the stabbing. With all she said and that stupid look on her face, it's as if she's just saying that in the hopes that Musashi is supposed to care. So she's in fact using Seijuro's name in vain and besmirching his memory! =)

    Or maybe not, depending on if she just meant he should have taken her because she then became Seijuro's woman and that's why she had to kill him now. We'll see.
    Title: Current Episodes Thread
    Post by: Sparnage on October 13, 2007, 02:05:36 AM
    I was interest to see, they have been taking the ethereal side of things up a notch with the ghosts appearing around him, not just related to the psychology of two fighters before a duel or whatever. I'm not sure what I think about that personally.

    Also, was that fall big enough to kill Akemi, and if so, why did she wait to kill herself right on front of Musashi? Did she want to get back at him that much to try and leave him with guilt? Maybe she expects him to save her.
    It would be interesting to see if Musashi even cared. I get the impression he does have some regret from killing so many people, maybe this will push his guilt further.
    Title: Current Episodes Thread
    Post by: Griffith on October 13, 2007, 04:15:38 AM
    I was interest to see, they have been taking the ethereal side of things up a notch with the ghosts appearing around him, not just related to the psychology of two fighters before a duel or whatever. I'm not sure what I think about that personally.

    Is it anymore extreme than Inshun's out of body experience in volume 8? I always feel these things are more spiritual than supernatural; not meant to be taken totally literally, but abstract thoughts and feelings that need to be thought of and conveyed in the abstract.

    Or who knows? Maybe Musashi has schizophrenia, or depression with psychotic tendencies, something like that. =)

    Also, was that fall big enough to kill Akemi, and if so, why did she wait to kill herself right on front of Musashi? Did she want to get back at him that much to try and leave him with guilt? Maybe she expects him to save her.
    It would be interesting to see if Musashi even cared. I get the impression he does have some regret from killing so many people, maybe this will push his guilt further.

    The river is supposed to kill her more than anything to do with the jump. Keep in mind, she also tried to drown herself in the novel, under different circumstances, and was rescued by... Uncle Gon (sadly, Gon is gone in Vagabond).

    Anyway, he certainly seems affected, quite an emotional roller coaster he's been on, after all.
    Title: Current Episodes Thread
    Post by: Dreft on October 13, 2007, 09:41:57 AM
    The river is supposed to kill her more than anything to do with the jump. Keep in mind, she also tried to drown herself in the novel, under different circumstances, and was rescued by... Uncle Gon (sadly, Gon is gone in Vagabond).

    Now that's a spoiler! Not that I really mind, it just reminds me that I should get off my lazy ass and continue reading the novel, even more now I know that uncle Gon is going to save Akemi. :)

    Anyway, he certainly seems affected, quite an emotional roller coaster he's been on, after all.

    Well, he should be affected, after all, if it wasn't for her, he wouldn't be alive anyway. That alone should leave an impression on him, and yeah, as you said, he's been on quite a rollercoaster, killing all those people. This should change his life, otherwise, he would be quite.. stupid.
    Title: Current Episodes Thread
    Post by: Uriel on October 13, 2007, 09:00:39 PM
    Translations for #242 are out:

    ハッ
    "Ha"

    ハア
    "Haah"


    This chapter brought to you by Musashi, The Breath of Carnage.



    Several months until the next chapter. I believe it said Feb 7...
     

    Fear not:

    "We're taking a break starting next week. #243 will be in the last issue on sale in November."

    A reason to be joyful my friend. Hey, we might even get a Berserk/Vagabond double-whammy in the up coming future? Imagine it...

    And I have it on good authority that there is a reason for Inoue's time off. Details will be discussed once I get some confirmation, though it won't affect many of us, me thinks.
    Title: Current Episodes Thread
    Post by: Griffith on October 13, 2007, 11:31:52 PM
    And I have it on good authority that there is a reason for Inoue's time off. Details will be discussed once I get some confirmation, though it won't affect many of us, me thinks.

    What don't you just say what it is? As exciting as promises of unconfirmed rumors about things that don't affect is, it still leaves a little to be desired. =)


    Anyway, something else to keep in mind about this issue going into the future...

    Quote from: Inoue
    This is the last chapter in volume 27.
    But, there were some things that are missing, so I will be touching it up.
    Look forward to it.

    It's exciting to know there's pages to come (maybe more transition between Kurando alive and his spirit form, or a more at the end perhaps?), but also interesting that even being late Inoue STILL hasn't put this one behind him; seems like he's wrestling with finishing this this particular segment, like he's lost his usual flow... the flow. =)
    Title: Current Episodes Thread
    Post by: Uriel on October 14, 2007, 01:57:39 AM
    Nothing special, really..

    Apparently Inoue is coming to America for the relocating of the NYC branch of Kinokuniya (the best place on the island to waste an afternoon) and will be painting a mural for the new store in a designate spot. I got this from ANN (http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2007-10-12/slam-dunk-vagabond's-inoue-to-visit-nyc-in-november), but they didn't cite any kind of source and we know Viz would never confirm/deny it. This takes place November 19th, so maybe he'll be working on the chapters in the mean time so we can get stuff, as promised, while he's soaking up the winter sun in Manhattan.

    I might go up.. I'm starting to miss my old home anyway =(
    Title: Current Episodes Thread
    Post by: Sparnage on October 16, 2007, 09:24:13 AM
    Is it anymore extreme than Inshun's out of body experience in volume 8? I always feel these things are more spiritual than supernatural; not meant to be taken totally literally, but abstract thoughts and feelings that need to be thought of and conveyed in the abstract.

    Or who knows? Maybe Musashi has schizophrenia, or depression with psychotic tendencies, something like that. =)
     
    My concern is I suppose how literally it is supposed to be taken, it seems rather literal. Treading corners on a concept that can bring a bit of a different angle in a subtle way is one thing. But, and I'll emphasise in my opinion, although Vagabond is one of my more prefered mangas I think they take it too far in some parts.

    Not just with the outer body experiences, but certain elements are too exaggerated for my liking. The Musashi novel spoke about several related concepts in similar ways to Vagabond, but stood to a more philosophical stance on spiritual existence and related concepts, not fully fledged ghosts and merging mind reads etc. That being said I'm still reading it and enjoying it, so it's just nitpicking really.

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    The river is supposed to kill her more than anything to do with the jump. Keep in mind, she also tried to drown herself in the novel, under different circumstances, and was rescued by... Uncle Gon (sadly, Gon is gone in Vagabond).

    Anyway, he certainly seems affected, quite an emotional roller coaster he's been on, after all.

    Yeah, I almost forgot about that in the book. Seems like Musashi's the only one that can save her now is the Musashi. It could go on a different path from the book and have her die now, but I doubt it, she has too much of an important role.

    Anywho, shame he is leaving right away after the fight instead of returning to Koetsu's and seeing Kojiro again.

    Title: Current Episodes Thread
    Post by: Griffith on October 17, 2007, 02:00:24 AM
    My concern is I suppose how literally it is supposed to be taken, it seems rather literal. Treading corners on a concept that can bring a bit of a different angle in a subtle way is one thing. But, and I'll emphasise in my opinion, although Vagabond is one of my more preferred mangas I think they take it too far in some parts.

    Not just with the outer body experiences, but certain elements are too exaggerated for my liking. The Musashi novel spoke about several related concepts in similar ways to Vagabond, but stood to a more philosophical stance on spiritual existence and related concepts, not fully fledged ghosts and merging mind reads etc. That being said I'm still reading it and enjoying it, so it's just nitpicking really.

    Well, you're being rather vague in what you think is too far versus what's acceptable to you, and how/why, even your initial comment about this one wasn't very specific. I think Inoue does an excellent job conveying the spiritual experiences Musashi and others are having to us through exaggeration. I mean, you can't draw abstract concepts and feelings, you have to draw something to get the concept across and make the reader feel it, akin to flashbacks or simply showing us a mental image. A lot of things boil down to Musashi's own experience and perception, like when Inshun's spirit was talking to him, only Musashi heard it. It wasn't like Inshun was a full-fledged spectre. It goes back to the whole spiritual versus supernatural thing. Using Berserk as familiar ground for comparison, I certainly don't think Musashi's "ghosts" are anything like the ones we see Guts' encounter.

    There's other examples, such as the fight with Seijuro; like on the last page of the first chapter of volume 22, when it shows Seijuro standing there after having been cut down. Seijuro wasn't actually standing there like that, it obviously wasn't literal as his upper body went flying, but it conveyed the gravity of the moment. Same territory when Kojiro attacks Ittosai and his body looks like a raging series of wild brush strokes, and when he wrote Musashi's name, the large brushstrokes Inoue used to convey his body. Even just those shots of Musashi at the beginning of chapters where he's standing out in nature, in a forest or lake, etc.

    In a nutshell, I think there's a lot of romanticism, which encourages things like ghosts and spirits in a natural sense (like, not the "Boo!" kind), and impressionism in Inoue's work in Vagabond, and taking it literally, in some cases, borders on misinterpretation. In any case, I don't really understand your concern, I guess it depends on how you look at it and what perspective you have on these things, spiritual and artistic, coming in.

    Yeah, I almost forgot about that in the book. Seems like Musashi's the only one that can save her now is the Musashi. It could go on a different path from the book and have her die now, but I doubt it, she has too much of an important role.

    Yeah, I'm voting save, mostly because it would be better than Musashi just watching her kill herself in front of him. I disagree that she's important though, at least in Vagabond. Inoue could always make her more important like in the book, but as it stands, he could just as well kill her now.

    Anywho, shame he is leaving right away after the fight instead of returning to Koetsu's and seeing Kojiro again.

    I don't know, what's more to say? He could still drop by on his way out of town, but yeah, seems like he does just want to get the hell out of there (and with good reason, like it's getting harder and harder to escape).
    Title: Current Episodes Thread
    Post by: Sparnage on October 25, 2007, 12:12:28 PM
    Soz about the late reply, craming for exams. I didn't intend on getting into it. The thing is with this sort of issue, parts I don't think are good you will have a an answer and perspective to why you think it's justified. But ok, I will use a few examples I really didn't like.

    Well, you're being rather vague in what you think is too far versus what's acceptable to you, and how/why, even your initial comment about this one wasn't very specific. I think Inoue does an excellent job conveying the spiritual experiences Musashi and others are having to us through exaggeration. I mean, you can't draw abstract concepts and feelings, you have to draw something to get the concept across and make the reader feel it, akin to flashbacks or simply showing us a mental image. A lot of things boil down to Musashi's own experience and perception, like when Inshun's spirit was talking to him, only Musashi heard it. It wasn't like Inshun was a full-fledged spectre. It goes back to the whole spiritual versus supernatural thing. Using Berserk as familiar ground for comparison, I certainly don't think Musashi's "ghosts" are anything like the ones we see Guts' encounter.

    There's other examples, such as the fight with Seijuro; like on the last page of the first chapter of volume 22, when it shows Seijuro standing there after having been cut down. Seijuro wasn't actually standing there like that, it obviously wasn't literal as his upper body went flying, but it conveyed the gravity of the moment. Same territory when Kojiro attacks Ittosai and his body looks like a raging series of wild brush strokes, and when he wrote Musashi's name, the large brushstrokes Inoue used to convey his body. Even just those shots of Musashi at the beginning of chapters where he's standing out in nature, in a forest or lake, etc.

    In a nutshell, I think there's a lot of romanticism, which encourages things like ghosts and spirits in a natural sense (like, not the "Boo!" kind), and impressionism in Inoue's work in Vagabond, and taking it literally, in some cases, borders on misinterpretation. In any case, I don't really understand your concern, I guess it depends on how you look at it and what perspective you have on these things, spiritual and artistic, coming in.

    I feel Guts's encounter with ghosts (alongside everything else) can be justified in a whole different context because it's a fully fledged fantasy story. That being said you're right that it can be justfied through being abstract and so forth. Now that I think of it it's not the ghost concepts that bother me as much as a few other concepts that have been used in the story.

    Using the example of Musashi vs Inshun, it is obvious that Inoue wanted it to be a very poignant moment in the story, otherwise he would not have stretched it out to be comparable to a Naruto or Dragon Ball Z arc. It seemed he really wanted to make the foundations of story more clear on how he makes the psychological, spirtual and philosphical aspects of Musashi and other significant characters, and went to lengths to articulate the situation.
    I would agree that it was a good chance to do so in many aspects. It's a turning point for Musashi in his character development which of course is a significant story element. I can't help but feel it was taken too far though. The whole situation during the nearly two volumes of the fight taking place shows their perceptions and whatnot, I think it was just overdone how much Musashi, Inshun and other surrounding characters go back and forth looking at the situation from every possible angle... overkill might be a fitting for the context. There were others that followed what I would consider to also be overdone, but that situation was a particularly heavy.

    Whats more, I think it's just ridiculous with the whole thing about taking it to new depths into "mind battling," Ki or whatever they call it with the Kami'Izumi ise no kami hidetsuna character, I couldn't get into that at all. The way the guy in the flashback defeated the young Sekishusai and In'ei in the name of Ki, philosophy or whatever just didn't work for me at all, not as a reader, Otaku or an ex fighter. It could've been overlooked if again, Inoue didn't put so much emphasis on it, that's the painful bit.

    A similar feeling I got from Musashi's defeat on Sekishusai, a bedridden old master who managed to out-psych him or whatever, it can be interpreted in several ways but I was just.... well not taking it seriously.
    Even if he didn't take it like Eiji's story line where Musashi realises that bothering an old retired master would be petty and dishonerable (although something along those lines would've been a better alternative I think) Inoue's choice to follow this concept further onto a new level was just... well I might say pointless but he was definitely trying to get something across, but I didn't like it at all, and even if you don't agree I hope you can at least see why people might feel this way. 

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    Yeah, I'm voting save, mostly because it would be better than Musashi just watching her kill herself in front of him. I disagree that she's important though, at least in Vagabond. Inoue could always make her more important like in the book, but as it stands, he could just as well kill her now.

    Don't get me wrong, I don't think particularly highly of her either. But even though Inoue will cut corners on the fundamental story line, I doubt he will kill her off or anything on account of her role in the novel.

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    I don't know, what's more to say? He could still drop by on his way out of town, but yeah, seems like he does just want to get the hell out of there (and with good reason, like it's getting harder and harder to escape).

    I just enjoyed seeing them interact. But I suppose if they spent another 10 minutes together this time it'd probably lead to a premature battle the story isn't ready for yet.
    Title: Current Episodes Thread
    Post by: Griffith on October 31, 2007, 05:31:02 PM
    Soz about the late reply, craming for exams. I didn't intend on getting into it.

    Same here.

    The thing is with this sort of issue, parts I don't think are good you will have a an answer and perspective to why you think it's justified. But ok, I will use a few examples I really didn't like.

    Hahaha, you know me too well! :guts:

    But maybe I'll surprise you and even add an example or two of my own.

    Using the example of Musashi vs Inshun, it is obvious that Inoue wanted it to be a very poignant moment in the story, otherwise he would not have stretched it out to be comparable to a Naruto or Dragon Ball Z arc. It seemed he really wanted to make the foundations of story more clear on how he makes the psychological, spirtual and philosphical aspects of Musashi and other significant characters, and went to lengths to articulate the situation.
    I would agree that it was a good chance to do so in many aspects. It's a turning point for Musashi in his character development which of course is a significant story element. I can't help but feel it was taken too far though. The whole situation during the nearly two volumes of the fight taking place shows their perceptions and whatnot, I think it was just overdone how much Musashi, Inshun and other surrounding characters go back and forth looking at the situation from every possible angle... overkill might be a fitting for the context. There were others that followed what I would consider to also be overdone, but that situation was a particularly heavy.

    Yeah, while I enjoy all the training and everything leading up to it, they do basically stare at each other for a volume, it's a bit long and I understand why Inoue did it as well for the sake of the importance of what was ultimately and instantaneous moment, but I agree that while certainly well done, not his smoothest work. Relatively, his pacing and scene to scene back and forth during the battle with the Yagyu senior disciples was awe inspiring (particularly in #95 Longing). It's the first time reading a comic where I felt like I was actually watching a movie, not via my imagination, but how it moved in itself. Amazing.

    Whats more, I think it's just ridiculous with the whole thing about taking it to new depths into "mind battling," Ki or whatever they call it with the Kami'Izumi ise no kami hidetsuna character, I couldn't get into that at all. The way the guy in the flashback defeated the young Sekishusai and In'ei in the name of Ki, philosophy or whatever just didn't work for me at all, not as a reader, Otaku or an ex fighter. It could've been overlooked if again, Inoue didn't put so much emphasis on it, that's the painful bit.

    Now this is where I'll disagree with you, even to the point of your interpretation of the scene (which I admit I'm fond of). I don't think the point was that Kami'Izumi beat them with his Ki like magic or anything like that. I think he was honestly superior to them technically and beat them in practical fashion, all the Ki stuff is simply representative of that superiority, confidence, and presence (anyone who's ever seen Michael Jordan can attest to the reality of this phenomenon =). Look at the similar scene with Sekishusai and Toji just before that, there's nothing about Ki, but he's simply able to take the sword away from him with his technique, Toji doesn't even know what happened, and there's no implication he was psyched out or anything, just beaten. So, I don't think it's as mystical as you do, and you might be the source of your own discomfort on this one; it's your painful interpretation bloodlust being reflected by Inoue's Ki! :troll:

    A similar feeling I got from Musashi's defeat on Sekishusai, a bedridden old master who managed to out-psych him or whatever, it can be interpreted in several ways but I was just.... well not taking it seriously.
    Even if he didn't take it like Eiji's story line where Musashi realises that bothering an old retired master would be petty and dishonerable (although something along those lines would've been a better alternative I think) Inoue's choice to follow this concept further onto a new level was just... well I might say pointless but he was definitely trying to get something across, but I didn't like it at all, and even if you don't agree I hope you can at least see why people might feel this way.

    Now you're breaking Wally's heart, he loves that scene. =)

    I think it all has more to do with Musashi than the old man anything the old man does, who wasn't even being aggressive; it was all in Musashi's head. But, it was out rather of character for him, or that he coming out of his old character anyway, and a very "I don't get it" sort of scene left up to a lot of interpretation as you say. Even Musashi reflects on it as such in volume 21. There's definitely a lot of abstraction in there though (MUSASHI... IN... SPACE...) to represent the great presence of the man we obviously can't feel on paper.


    Anyway, you missed a couple of things on this whole Ki complaint front, including the biggest one to me actually; when Takuan cuts down Kohei, "with his mind." Uhhhh, it sticks out to me, maybe even more than it did originally; not a lot more I can even say about that one. =)

    And not quite in the same discussion, but concerning realism (and there's no room for an abstract interpretation here), while I love all the "No sword" stuff, including those flashbacks of the old masters, and Musashi's current ascent to that, which is why the second fight with Den is also a personal favorite, the whole thing with Musashi forgetting to draw his sword, and even attacking without it... yeah, a little too cute for me, to say the least. I'll just leave it at that.

    I just enjoyed seeing them interact. But I suppose if they spent another 10 minutes together this time it'd probably lead to a premature battle the story isn't ready for yet.

    I enjoy it too, but I think a little goes a long way, and I SURE don't want any premature battle. I worry Inoue is going to burn out and end things before it's time. If I don't get to see Musashi grow (like literally, in fields =) and put his ability to good use and find purpose, I'll be rather put out.
    Title: Current Episodes Thread
    Post by: CnC on November 30, 2007, 03:05:08 PM
    243 is out, people.  Get with it! :)

    Kojiro tearin' that face up.  ewwww.
    Title: Current Episodes Thread
    Post by: Walter on November 30, 2007, 03:31:27 PM
    Hm interesting chapter. I'll wait til more people have read it before discussing it openly.

    Cool to finally get a glimpse of post-Ito, pre-Kyoto arc Kojiro. I think it's amusing Kohei thought he could take Kojiro down.  :guts:

    Too bad it was out of order because the guy who uploaded it had a wonky numbering scheme. I recommend anybody who gets this to manually put them in order first, adding a 0 before each number before 10.
    Title: Current Episodes Thread
    Post by: CnC on November 30, 2007, 03:34:42 PM
    Hm interesting chapter. I'll wait til more people have read it before discussing it openly.

    Too bad it was out of order because the guy who uploaded it had a wonky numbering scheme. I recommend anybody who gets this to manually put them in order first, adding a 0 before each number before 10.

    The version I got was in order, thankfully.  I've had that happen before and, yea, it's a bit confusing.  :serpico:
    Title: Current Episodes Thread
    Post by: Uriel on November 30, 2007, 06:00:20 PM
    キター!!!

    I too will hold off on discussion, but I'd like to say that page 20 was one of the best panels to come out of Vagabond.

    No more Vagabond until 2008 though.... Thanks, VaginalReal.
    Title: Current Episodes Thread
    Post by: Baldulf on November 30, 2007, 06:37:35 PM
    A top quality episode.It seems hard to believe but his style is growing even more.

    In need of a translation.
    Title: Current Episodes Thread
    Post by: Walter on November 30, 2007, 06:54:37 PM
    Did this chapter really contain any scenes of intense dialogue that need immediate translation? It was pretty effective visually.
    Title: Current Episodes Thread
    Post by: Baldulf on November 30, 2007, 06:59:07 PM
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    It was pretty effective visually.

    Yes,it was.But I want to see if the dialogue match that dynamic narrative.
    Title: Current Episodes Thread
    Post by: Walter on November 30, 2007, 07:05:47 PM
    Here ya go:


    Kojiro: Awaaaaa... (Sex is good.)
    Chick: It smells like sex in here. Im getting some air.
    Kohei: I'm Kohei, remember me? Why are you having sex with HIM? I KILL U.
    Remember when we held hands? I have really handsome fingers. I hope I don't ever lose them.
    Chick: Don't step on our special frog.
    Kohei: *STOMP* *SLICE*
    Kojiro exits. Awa...? AUUWAAAAAAAA!!!!! *SHOVE* *SLICE*
    Kohei: *OW!*
    Kojiro: *Uwaaa....*
    The End.
    Title: Current Episodes Thread
    Post by: Ramen4ever on November 30, 2007, 08:00:49 PM
    Thx Walter, I liked the Sound effects the best. :guts:

    But I'm a bit confused, who's Kohei?
    Title: Current Episodes Thread
    Post by: Walter on November 30, 2007, 08:05:09 PM
    I can't remember anything before I woke up this morning and realized I'd peed my bed because I forgot to get up and pee.

    Tsujikaze Kohei AKA Shishido Baiken. Remember him from volumes 1-2; and the nasty scar he had when he appeared as Baiken in 12-13, finally saying the person that gave him the scar had been someone "much further along" the spiral of death and killing than he?
    Title: Current Episodes Thread
    Post by: Griffith on November 30, 2007, 10:20:05 PM


    HIS
    NAME
      WAS...

    SASAKI
      KOJIRO...
    Title: Current Episodes Thread
    Post by: Baldulf on November 30, 2007, 11:09:09 PM
    Well,I admit I was asking for that.

    Yeah,I guess the whole episode is easily understadable without a translation.But just thought that there could be some interesting insight about Kohei behind all that sfx.
    Title: Current Episodes Thread
    Post by: Griffith on November 30, 2007, 11:41:50 PM
    By no means should you apologize, I too am very much looking forward to the translation; as overwhelming as Inoue's visuals are, they're still pivoted on his words. So, don't let Wally bully you with his, "We don't need the dialogue, it's all self-explanatory" stuff.  With that mentality, we literally couldn't catch a cold (I still think he was sick =)
    Title: Current Episodes Thread
    Post by: Walter on December 01, 2007, 01:49:39 AM
    Did Kojiro use the swallow cut technique in this ep? The blade goes down, then up quickly... Pretty damned sure that's it. He's sure striking a cool pose, at the very least  :serpico:
    Title: Current Episodes Thread
    Post by: Uriel on December 01, 2007, 02:01:48 AM
    I don't know about that, but the little lady certain did a fair bit of swallow technique AM I RITE?!?!!
    Title: Current Episodes Thread
    Post by: Griffith on December 01, 2007, 10:48:27 AM
    Was it just me, or did he mostly seem upset about the frog being killed? :guts:
    Title: Current Episodes Thread
    Post by: Sparnage on December 04, 2007, 03:03:18 PM
    By no means should you apologize, I too am very much looking forward to the translation; as overwhelming as Inoue's visuals are, they're still pivoted on his words. So, don't let Wally bully you with his, "We don't need the dialogue, it's all self-explanatory" stuff.  With that mentality, we literally couldn't catch a cold (I still think he was sick =)

    Yeah, I was trying to hold out but as it's this been long without a translation, I caved in. :(

    Was it just me, or did he mostly seem upset about the frog being killed? :guts:

    I found that interesting too, didn't show much empathy towards his sweetness losing an eye in comparison. Kojiro's role as an antagonist was of course much more noticeable in Yoshikawa's Musashi, but so far in Vagabond I personally haven't seen any reason to believe Kojiro in this is any less ethical than Musashi.

    Maybe little things like this showing little regard for life is something to slowly become more noticeable. I remember in the novel he seemed a bit nicer in the early introduction of his character as well, and saving Akemi if I'm not mistaken.



    Title: Current Episodes Thread
    Post by: Walter on December 04, 2007, 03:12:47 PM
    On the contrary, Kojiro's dark half has shown itself several times. It's just not as overt as Yoshikawa's character.  Kojiro's darkness in Vagabond is his numbness to violence and bloodshed, as emphasized by the ending scene of the Fudo fight and Ittosai in volume 16 ("Kojiro, you don't even flinch at the sight of his spilled guts. You won't live long.") It's also evident when he cuts down one of the Yoshioka in volume 23. It's as if he doesn't have a sense of conscience to his bloodthirst.

    And no, it's made pretty clear from the outset that Kojiro is a vain asshole in Yoshikawa's novel.
    Title: Current Episodes Thread
    Post by: Sparnage on December 04, 2007, 03:42:31 PM
    On the contrary, Kojiro's dark half has shown itself several times. It's just not as overt as Yoshikawa's character.  Kojiro's darkness in Vagabond is his numbness to violence and bloodshed, as emphasized by the ending scene of the Fudo fight and Ittosai in volume 16 ("Kojiro, you don't even flinch at the sight of his spilled guts. You won't live long.") It's also evident when he cuts down one of the Yoshioka in volume 23. It's as if he doesn't have a sense of conscience to his bloodthirst.

    Musashi may be showing more maturity about fighting and a bit more remorse in recent volumes, other than that his bloodthirst is not inferior to Kojiro's, just different.
    I can't see his actions to kill in a situation, at least at this point in time, being much different to Kojiro's.

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    And no, it's made pretty clear from the outset that Kojiro is a vain asshole in Yoshikawa's novel.

    As I said he seemed a bit nicer in the early introduction. I'm not disputing him being portrayed as a vain arsehole early on, but it was made much more clear with his actions towards Akemi later on, and more noticeably his actions towards Seijuro after his arm was completely fucked after his bout with Musashi.
    At the end of the chapter The Withered Field, the story narrative specifically pointed out what a messed up sociopath he is, and it was made out to be somewhat of a new revelation to his character.

    I made the book/manga comparison to imply the narrative of the book showing his darker demeanor more with time. Yeah before he killed without hesitation in battles, but now he shows more concern or at least interest for a frog than a women he is/was directly intimate with. I see that as a bit of a new view on the sort of character he is, and I think that's what Griff might've been pointing out.

    Title: Current Episodes Thread
    Post by: Walter on December 04, 2007, 03:49:46 PM
    Musashi may be showing more maturity about fighting and a bit more remorse in recent volumes, other than that his bloodthirst is not inferior to Kojiro's, just different.
    I can't see his actions to kill in a situation, at least at this point in time, being much different to Kojiro's.
    Then how would you explain his remorse for having killed so many after Takuan breaks him down in volume 3? I couldn't see Kojiro being that sympathetic.
    Title: Current Episodes Thread
    Post by: Sparnage on December 04, 2007, 03:58:49 PM
    Volume 3 in the manga? Just looking through it now, what stands out to me most about it is Musashi directly challenging the Yoshioka, killing several members and then throwing Seijuro's sign of good will out the window by smashing the gift of sake out of his hand directly. All for his personal ambition too.
    Title: Current Episodes Thread
    Post by: Walter on December 04, 2007, 04:01:47 PM
    Volume 3 in the manga? Just looking through it now, what stands out to me most about it is Musashi directly challenging the Yoshioka, killing several members and then throwing Seijuro's sign of good will out the window by smashing the gift of sake out of his hand directly. All actions because of his personal ambition.
    The ending of Volume 2 then, jesus  :schierke:

    Anyway, Im not trying to make a black or white argument here. Clearly there's some crossover between the two characters. Im just saying Musashi is more aware of his bloodlust as a degrading aspect of his personality. You can also see this during the beginning of the Inshun rematch. It's even verbalized by In'ei ("That graceless bloodthirst is gone.") . I just don't see Kojiro showing that kind of restraint or maturity of character. That's his dark half.
    Title: Current Episodes Thread
    Post by: Sparnage on December 04, 2007, 04:20:15 PM

    Anyway, Im not trying to make a black or white argument here. Clearly there's some crossover between the two characters. Im just saying Musashi is more aware of his bloodlust as a degrading aspect of his personality. You can also see this during the beginning of the Inshun rematch. It's even verbalized by In'ei ("That graceless bloodthirst is gone.") . I just don't see Kojiro showing that kind of restraint or maturity of character. That's his dark half.

    Yeah, Musashi is definitely more aware of his bloodlust. Musashi seems to be the protagonist because he is constantly developing himself as a character, whereas Kojiro, maybe partly because is he deaf, is less capable of such development. And Musashi is much more emotional as a person.

    I just think Musashi has a long way to go before he develops into a more appropriate hero. He is still a bit selfish and lacks integrity in ways.
    Title: Current Episodes Thread
    Post by: CnC on December 04, 2007, 05:50:32 PM
    Yeah, Musashi is definitely more aware of his bloodlust. Musashi seems to be the protagonist because he is constantly developing himself as a character, whereas Kojiro, maybe partly because is he deaf, is less capable of such development. And Musashi is much more emotional as a person.

    They're both developing, albeit in different ways.  The sign of emotion towards the frog being one example.  I don't think it's a logical argument to say one is "more" emotional than the other.
    Title: Current Episodes Thread
    Post by: Sparnage on December 08, 2007, 06:05:44 AM
    They're both developing, albeit in different ways.  The sign of emotion towards the frog being one example.  I don't think it's a logical argument to say one is "more" emotional than the other.

    I'm just basing that statement on what we see. Musashi tends to show more emotion and in more ways than Kojiro. I've noticed in a few cases fear, sadness, regret, empathy and anger. Kojiro shows little of any of such emotions, seems to be more calm, level headed, stable and as Walter stated he is more numb or desensitised to others. I personally would include empathy as an emotional trait.
    Take into consideration I don't feel being more or less emotional makes him any less of a character in regards to depth and development of course, just different.

    Anywho, this particular topic is getting a bit too pedantic for my liking to keep going back and forth on, so yeah maybe you're right.


    BTW wheres Mushi?
    Title: Current Episodes Thread
    Post by: Griffith on December 08, 2007, 10:13:29 AM
    Right here, and for anybody that hasn't checked, we'll hopefully be seeing the real Mushi come the second half of January, this little Kojiro/Kohei episode was apparently a stand alone. Smallest arc ever. Oh, and I have to concede and admit to Wally that, yeah, you really don't need a translation for this one. =)

    Nice to see honest to God argumentation in here, I wanted to get involved, but didn't want to risk killing it somehow. Anyway, I tend to agree with the sentiment that Musashi displays and acts more on emotion than Kojiro. Not that he's any less capable of emotion, but he's certainly more aloof and understandably in his own little world. This episode for example is very interesting, do you think Musashi would have let Kohei go when he displayed fear and submission after what had transpired (furthermore, imagine what the similar circumstances could be and why or why not it would be possible)? You could say it was kindness, or a gross example of apathy concerning that woman. Kojiro's actions in the whole situation are really a strange series of catch 22s like that. We don't see Kojiro comfort her, or show concern after his initial surprise, and by the end she appears to be as gone and forgotten as Kohei. So, was Kojiro paying back Kohei for the wound he inflicted on her, or simply fighting a presented opponant until it became uninteresting? What did he really care about here? Of course, the answer is you don't kill Kojiro's favorite frog.

    In any case, his... uh, fascination, with the dead frog, while ignoring the freshly disfigured and probably partially blinded woman he had just been making love to, doesn't really scream out, "compassion." Maybe he's truly enlightened and figured that the poor frog was the one that payed the ultimate price... then again, I think Kojiro is just weird. =)
    Title: Current Episodes Thread
    Post by: Sparnage on December 09, 2007, 05:07:01 PM
    Kojiro's actions in the whole situation are really a strange series of catch 22s like that. We don't see Kojiro comfort her, or show concern after his initial surprise, and by the end she appears to be as gone and forgotten as Kohei. So, was Kojiro paying back Kohei for the wound he inflicted on her, or simply fighting a presented opponant until it became uninteresting? What did he really care about here? Of course, the answer is you don't kill Kojiro's favorite frog.

    It'll be interesting to see the next chapter if it continues on from that point, if he is completely done with both of them or tries to help that womans wound. If he did try to help her, I can't picture him seeming too concerned judging by the end of 243.

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    In any case, his... uh, fascination, with the dead frog, while ignoring the freshly disfigured and probably partially blinded woman he had just been making love to, doesn't really scream out, "compassion." Maybe he's truly enlightened and figured that the poor frog was the one that payed the ultimate price... then again, I think Kojiro is just weird. =)

    Yeah, might have to lean towards the latter personally, but I'll keep an open mind.
    And regarding the later posts in 242, I agreed with most of what you said, but couldn't really think of anything good to add that was worthy of following the last few posts, so I remained silent. :(

    Title: Current Episodes Thread
    Post by: Griffith on December 09, 2007, 06:12:18 PM
    It'll be interesting to see the next chapter if it continues on from that point, if he is completely done with both of them or tries to help that womans wound. If he did try to help her, I can't picture him seeming too concerned judging by the end of 243.

    Well, from what I've read, this is supposedly a one shot episode, so we should be picking up somewhere else next time, whether it be with Kojiro or Musashi, we probably won't get any further a resolution concerning this.

    Yeah, might have to lean towards the latter personally, but I'll keep an open mind.

    Again, it's interesting to contrast with Musashi. No way to truly compare, because he wouldn't be in this situation in the first place, and if he was, the woman would be Otsu, in which case, no way the other guy leaves alive afterward. So while Musashi would have murdered the guy... it may be because he's a better person in general.

    It all comes back to Musashi finding meaningful relationships and connections in his life while Kojiro remains something of an enigmatic sociopath, sexually and otherwise. There's other neat little things to compare, but, another time...

    And regarding the later posts in 242, I agreed with most of what you said, but couldn't really think of anything good to add that was worthy of following the last few posts, so I remained silent. :(

    Well, I'm just glad to hear you saw it and didn't think it was bullshit. A little follow up for fun; as a fighter yourself, what did you think of Musashi forgetting to draw his sword against Den?
    Ever forget your trunks or something important before a match? :carcus:
    Title: Current Episodes Thread
    Post by: Sparnage on December 16, 2007, 03:21:51 PM
    Well, I'm just glad to hear you saw it and didn't think it was bullshit. A little follow up for fun; as a fighter yourself, what did you think of Musashi forgetting to draw his sword against Den?
    Ever forget your trunks or something important before a match? :carcus:

    Hmmm..... after my fight I completely forgot about my jeans, left them at the arena. I'm pretty sure that was partly because I was scattered from several hard hits to the head, they were a good pair too. ::)

    Seriously though regarding that scene with Musashi and Den, I liked how they portrayed Musashi being so fine tuned in his skills he acted completely on instinct. It was an interesting concept, but of course I can't say I've ever heard of anything that extreme happening.

    Muscle memory is very interesting. When fighters are training (and I'm sure it's the case for most physical activities) they make a conscious effort to fine tune their abilities so next time they don't even have to think about it. You probably already know all this from playing Basketball regularly. I was always told brilliance will come out when you are so in the moment you don't even think about it, your mind is fresh and flowing, there are no distractions.
    I suppose the idea of reaching the peak of physical skill is getting to the point where you make all the right decisions when attacking and defending, polishing coordination so you can utilise significant power without using much energy but all without much conscious thought. I liked how in Chapter 220 when the Yoshioka men are asking him how to explain defeating Denshichiro, and he couldn't really answer because it was all related to feelings and reflexes.

    I was a slow learner in that sense, I think too much about random shit all the time and it was hard to break that habit while training, particularly sparring. I think I developed a better mindset in the ring through two factors; on one side I was training my mind diligently to achieve a better fighting mind frame, but at the same time all those times I was punched braincells died, giving me less to think about and keeping me more focused. ;D

    Regarding my personal muscle memory, these days I don't do much more than shadow sparring so I'm not as good anymore, but I noticed when I punch my chin knows to stay down and wrists remain straight which is good. Once a ball hit the wall right near me, without thinking I tucked my elbows next to my ribs and covered my face with my fists. Didn't achieve anything of course but there was something comforting about it.

    One day I'll rip the DVD of my fight and youtube it, will post here if I ever do.

    Title: Current Episodes Thread
    Post by: Griffith on December 20, 2007, 05:50:01 PM
    Hmmm..... after my fight I completely forgot about my jeans, left them at the arena. I'm pretty sure that was partly because I was scattered from several hard hits to the head, they were a good pair too. ::)

     :ganishka: Excellent (except the hard hits to the noggin)!

    Seriously though regarding that scene with Musashi and Den, I liked how they portrayed Musashi being so fine tuned in his skills he acted completely on instinct. It was an interesting concept, but of course I can't say I've ever heard of anything that extreme happening.

    Interesting take on that scene, I hadn't even really thought of it that way. That adds a lot to it.

    Muscle memory is very interesting. When fighters are training (and I'm sure it's the case for most physical activities) they make a conscious effort to fine tune their abilities so next time they don't even have to think about it. You probably already know all this from playing Basketball regularly. I was always told brilliance will come out when you are so in the moment you don't even think about it, your mind is fresh and flowing, there are no distractions.

    Yeah, I've experienced that through basketball, but for describing this, I think it's even more apparent through something like playing musical instruments. You definitely have those moments when you lose yourself and play completely over your head without thinking about it. And intense practice for performance is so that playing on stage or in front of people, you don't have to think about playing at all, you just do it.

    I suppose the idea of reaching the peak of physical skill is getting to the point where you make all the right decisions when attacking and defending, polishing coordination so you can utilise significant power without using much energy but all without much conscious thought. I liked how in Chapter 220 when the Yoshioka men are asking him how to explain defeating Denshichiro, and he couldn't really answer because it was all related to feelings and reflexes.

    Ooooh, I love that insight for that scene.

    I was a slow learner in that sense, I think too much about random shit all the time and it was hard to break that habit while training, particularly sparring. I think I developed a better mindset in the ring through two factors; on one side I was training my mind diligently to achieve a better fighting mind frame, but at the same time all those times I was punched braincells died, giving me less to think about and keeping me more focused. ;D

    I'm always a slow learner with these kinds of things, mostly because I'm lazy though, and I'm not even losing braincells. Actually, I do lose braincells while building my alcohol memory, and that's really the only thing I'm good about practicing regularly. :guts:

    Regarding my personal muscle memory, these days I don't do much more than shadow sparring so I'm not as good anymore, but I noticed when I punch my chin knows to stay down and wrists remain straight which is good. Once a ball hit the wall right near me, without thinking I tucked my elbows next to my ribs and covered my face with my fists. Didn't achieve anything of course but there was something comforting about it.

    When I go out to play hoops after a long hiatus (sadly I haven't played much lately since my vision went in the tank, need contacts), I always warm up by trying old moves, like if I can still crossover and such without much trouble, usually it's like riding a bike and you're surprised how easily it comes back, brings back your confidence. But I always take special care on my first shot, because if you're not warmed up and your body doesn't physically/intuitively know the weight of the ball after so much time, you can really embarrass yourself... like heaving it a foot short of the basket. =)

    The flipside of that is those days when you shoot late into the night, and even though you're body and arms are at their most tired, even if your shooting arm hurts or feels tweaked, you'll make shots effortlessly, even in the dark. You can literally just chuck it up, off-balance, turnaround, midair, even thinking it's ridiculous, and it'll still swish in. It's a warm and addictive feeling, you're tired but you feel like you're in some elevated state because of it, like you're high somehow, and I'm sure it has something to do with adrenaline and endorphins (I'm also sure we could look it up now that I think about it =). But, relating this back to Vagabond, it very much reminds of chapter 236 when Musashi is spent and yet his sword is more formidable than ever, striking harder and more fluidly, and he's literally cutting guys in half. It's the exact same feeling, including the heaviness in your body yet effortlessness in your execution, not trying, but truly and purely doing. It even occurs to me now that Inoue is an avid basketball player himself, and that he may have been applying the exact same feeling I'm describing on the basketball court to Musashi from his personal experience.

    One day I'll rip the DVD of my fight and youtube it, will post here if I ever do.

    That would be quite awesome. Was it proshot? We'd have to embed the video here somewhere, the official SK.net lethal enforcer! :carcus:
    Title: Current Episodes Thread
    Post by: Sparnage on December 24, 2007, 05:56:54 AM
    Yeah, I've experienced that through basketball, but for describing this, I think it's even more apparent through something like playing musical instruments. You definitely have those moments when you lose yourself and play completely over your head without thinking about it. And intense practice for performance is so that playing on stage or in front of people, you don't have to think about playing at all, you just do it.

    That's probably is a better example. Regrettably I can't comment too much on that as I never played an instrument, although several family members have. It may at times be harder to flow in sports as the situation constantly changes, requiring the person to be more adaptive. Then again there are some difficult songs out there to play, and perfection is more expected with music.   

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    I'm always a slow learner with these kinds of things, mostly because I'm lazy though, and I'm not even losing braincells. Actually, I do lose braincells while building my alcohol memory, and that's really the only thing I'm good about practicing regularly. :guts:

    Haha, I'm too a tad guilty in that practice field. ;D

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    When I go out to play hoops after a long hiatus (sadly I haven't played much lately since my vision went in the tank, need contacts), I always warm up by trying old moves, like if I can still crossover and such without much trouble, usually it's like riding a bike and you're surprised how easily it comes back, brings back your confidence. But I always take special care on my first shot, because if you're not warmed up and your body doesn't physically/intuitively know the weight of the ball after so much time, you can really embarrass yourself... like heaving it a foot short of the basket. =)

    A friend and I have been playing a bit of one on one in Basketball recently, but haven't reached that level you speak of. When things come back easily it seems to be after a person becomes quite profficient. Whereas for me and Basketball, my skill level is at the point where it's kind of random if I'm having a good day or not, and I have little control over if I'm shooting well.

    A funny thing about when my friend and I play, before I shoot I "feel it" before hand. I don't know if you get this too, but I know before I shoot it in from a particular place what the chances of scoring are based on my mental clarity. More commonly again is when I don't feel it before I shoot, I don't have a clear head at whatever particular time and I know there's little chance of getting a hard shot right. I suppose my body and soul are simply not on an appropriate wavelength with the universe at that particular time.

    With billiards I used to be more like that when I couldn't play well consistently, but in recent months I played regularly and I found I had more control over a good game than I once did. I also think now I could pick that up more quickly than Basketball if I stopped playing for a while. Then there's certain individuals don't need regular practice to pick up shit quickly regardless of their inexperience, I hate people like that. :puck:

    Quote
    The flipside of that is those days when you shoot late into the night, and even though you're body and arms are at their most tired, even if your shooting arm hurts or feels tweaked, you'll make shots effortlessly, even in the dark. You can literally just chuck it up, off-balance, turnaround, midair, even thinking it's ridiculous, and it'll still swish in. It's a warm and addictive feeling, you're tired but you feel like you're in some elevated state because of it, like you're high somehow, and I'm sure it has something to do with adrenaline and endorphins (I'm also sure we could look it up now that I think about it =). But, relating this back to Vagabond, it very much reminds of chapter 236 when Musashi is spent and yet his sword is more formidable than ever, striking harder and more fluidly, and he's literally cutting guys in half. It's the exact same feeling, including the heaviness in your body yet effortlessness in your execution, not trying, but truly and purely doing. It even occurs to me now that Inoue is an avid basketball player himself, and that he may have been applying the exact same feeling I'm describing on the basketball court to Musashi from his personal experience.

    Yeah that's a funny one I still don't understand. Like sometimes I've had a good night when I had trained for an hour but my strikes still maintained a good amount of power and coordination, yet it's quite common in martial arts that the more tired you get, the more sloppy you become with strength, coordination and reflexes.

    My fight was a good example of that, I lost because of my lack of endurance over him. The first and second round I foolishly used up all my energy like I was on a meth binge. By the end of the third round however I was so exhausted I was fighting like I was absolutely plastered.

    I think that last scene with Musashi killing the remaining Yoshioka at such a level of exhaustion and pain was a big part in showing his step up in abilities on a new level instinctively. But as I said I don't think I fully understand it.

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    That would be quite awesome. Was it proshot? We'd have to embed the video here somewhere, the official SK.net lethal enforcer! :carcus:

    Haha, I'll have to get around to it, never ripped a DVD before. The promoters of the fight arranged it to be filmed, and it had commentary but it wasn't up to a professional standard. All the fights were still amateur, and they couldn't even spell my fucking name right >:(
    Title: Current Episodes Thread
    Post by: Uriel on January 22, 2008, 03:10:07 AM
    Preview for Vagabond 244

    (http://img212.imageshack.us/img212/8055/244act4.gif)

    (http://img162.imageshack.us/img162/1520/244buo4.gif)

    Because you know you're wielding a semi right now.

    Quote from: Inoue Takehiko on the Web

    Long thing cold has been popular at the work place. ど?- It is with not to be the case that heat is produced, is 咳 the り throat to be painful, the nasal mucus slipperily is.


    Such words warm the soul, do they not?

    Looks like Jotaro, Takuan and even Otsu are back. About bloody time. Too bad it'll be so very short lived.

    More to the point, I now have a new "?! (http://img91.imageshack.us/img91/9859/wtfbh7.jpg)" image.
    Title: Current Episodes Thread
    Post by: Walter on January 22, 2008, 03:40:06 AM
    Fucking loling at the top image.

    Looks like Mushi and Otsu will have a real reunion this time.
    Title: Current Episodes Thread
    Post by: Sparnage on January 22, 2008, 05:27:10 AM
    Ohh lovely, it's almost that time...
    Title: Current Episodes Thread
    Post by: Griffith on January 22, 2008, 06:23:03 AM
    "Hey guys what's up I just killed 70 people."
    Title: Current Episodes Thread
    Post by: Baldulf on January 22, 2008, 11:30:39 PM
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    "Hey guys what's up I just killed 70 people."

    Takuan: "Ah! You know,shit happens."

    Well,I guess that Musashi's character is going to change a lot after last incident.Would he try to hide the carnage to the others or is he going to take a philosophical approach to it?


    Like "I had to kill them all for the sake of my manhood"
    Title: Current Episodes Thread
    Post by: Walter on January 23, 2008, 02:22:04 AM
    Well,I guess that Musashi's character is going to change a lot after last incident.Would he try to hide the carnage to the others or is he going to take a philosophical approach to it?
    I sincerely doubt it... The real question to me is how Otsu will react knowing her boyfriend is a serial killer.
    Title: Current Episodes Thread
    Post by: Griffith on January 23, 2008, 05:00:18 AM
    "I had to kill them all for the sake of my manhood"

    Regardless of context, this is excellent, I would actually go along with him saying that for the hell of it. Finally, a worthy Mushi quote. =)

    BTW, do you think he and Takuan might want to revisit the meaning of kindness?

    The real question to me is how Otsu will react knowing her boyfriend is a serial killer.

    "It was 70 one on one acts of self-defense."

    Again, she didn't seem bothered when he cut Denshichiro's guts out and left him a bloody mess on the ground, even Takuan was taken aback. =)

    I mean, she knew he was a killer back in Miyamoto, and that's when he was killing locals. I don't even know how to categorize a massacre like this, forget serial killing, you could call it as as an act of genocide as far as the Yoshioka go.

    (http://www.skullknight.net/griffith/mushitler.jpg)
    Title: Current Episodes Thread
    Post by: Uriel on January 23, 2008, 12:39:52 PM
    Arrrr, indeed.

    We all know Takuan is going to have a lot to say about it, as usual. Then again, he has a lot to say about everything, yet manages to do it without bleating. I think I figured out why I admire the guy as much as I do. MOMENT OF ZEN, PEEPS!
    Title: Current Episodes Thread
    Post by: Baldulf on January 23, 2008, 02:57:53 PM
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    Finally, a worthy Mushi quote. =)

    Glad to be helpful.

    I was pretending to be sarcastic but it sums very well the character,doesn't it?

    Title: Current Episodes Thread
    Post by: Uriel on January 23, 2008, 03:46:56 PM
    WHEN WILL THE SARCASM END?

    Seriously, I'd like to know how you think Musashi is doing this for the sake of his wang.
    Title: Current Episodes Thread
    Post by: Walter on January 23, 2008, 04:23:47 PM
    WHEN WILL THE SARCASM END?

    Seriously, I'd like to know how you think Musashi is doing this for the sake of his wang.
    Manhood as a phrase has other uses  :puck: .
    Title: Current Episodes Thread
    Post by: Uriel on January 23, 2008, 05:01:36 PM
    /sarcasm.

    I get we're talking otoko no tameni here :troll: Still, only a few days left!
    Title: Current Episodes Thread
    Post by: Griffith on January 25, 2008, 07:34:55 AM
    Since we're being sarcastic, there's an alternate theory out there on what the sketched depict:
    Quote from: Aquarius
    From Inoue's draft sketches, I guess it will be centered on Mat'hachi and Akemi. Well... It's not like we didn't get our share of swords fighting lately.

    :void:...
    Title: Current Episodes Thread
    Post by: Uriel on January 31, 2008, 12:03:45 PM
    Haha!

    I had seen that, but decided to spare you. Hitler Mushi, however, was not so kind.



    Preview for Vagabond 245

    (http://img340.imageshack.us/img340/4980/245aba7.gif)

    (http://img340.imageshack.us/img340/8871/245bff3.gif)

    My, how the week flew by!

    Well, seeing as we're out in the cold right now, it would be pointless to make another thread for this -- anything we discuss on 244 would end up in the 245 thread anyway, so I'm trying to keep things tidy here.

    Quote from: Inoue Takehiko on the Web

    New Year party of the staff is not done yet. When with says dawn 4 o'clock the field manuscript rises, as for the kind of vigor which is drunk from there there is no either one drop....


    Seems like an introspection chapter for Otsu and Jotaro and one tired Musashi. It sort of looks like they've been fumbled by someone in that second panel of the first preview image.. but it might just be Takuan remembering that he long overdue to a smart-ass comment.

    I'm working on finding some scans for 244, but it has been somewhat unfruitful so far.
    Title: Current Episodes Thread
    Post by: Griffith on January 31, 2008, 06:37:20 PM
    These chapters are a lot smaller than I remember...

    Yeah, this blows. I'd see if Saiya would be willing to check out the local news stand for us (might it be too late for 244?), but the fear is that as soon as he gets it for us, the chapter appears online the next day and it was a waste of his time, especially since I don't think he follows Vagabond (I guess we'll find out if he responds to this =).

    Anyway, there's still entertainment to be had:

    Quote from: Aquarius
    I know this isn't the most suited thread for this, but the drafts for chapter #245 are out on Inoue Takehiko's website.
    It seems Matahachi will meet Otsu and Jotaro, and collapses in front of them.

    Spoiler: (click to show/hide)
    If things happen like in the novel, Jotaro will have to leave Otsu for some reason (captured by a rogue in the novel), whereas Matahachi will take Otsu to Edo and treat her as a slave. The next arch of the story would then take place in Edo (Tokyo)... Wait and see.

    I'm actually starting to be convinced. He's getting closer anyway, at least there's no mention of characters that killed themselves a couple of issues ago being present. =)
    Title: Current Episodes Thread
    Post by: Funkmasta Zeph on January 31, 2008, 07:01:14 PM
    Two out in a row, seems surreal somehow.
    lol at Akemi being alive.
    Title: Current Episodes Thread
    Post by: Griffith on February 02, 2008, 03:25:12 AM
    The little bird on my shoulder tells me our wait is over.
    Title: Current Episodes Thread
    Post by: CnC on February 02, 2008, 03:26:46 AM
    The little bird on my shoulder tells me our wait is over.

    woo!  go bird, go!
    Title: Current Episodes Thread
    Post by: Uriel on February 02, 2008, 03:30:06 AM
    Lovely jubbly.

    Thanks to the bird, who I've named Kez.
    Title: Current Episodes Thread
    Post by: Griffith on February 06, 2008, 09:48:04 PM
    Continuing on graph paper.

    (http://www.itplanning.co.jp/images/vaga/vol.gif)

    (http://www.itplanning.co.jp/images/vaga/246a.gif)

    (http://www.itplanning.co.jp/images/vaga/246b.gif)

    Quote from: Inoue
    At the work place, the small stomach being less crowded during nighttime alone job, what to serve, searching the shelf. ガッツリ the time when we would like to avoid, "the calling and the persimmon the sack it can be less crowded the fact that you eat tweet," throws one knob plate っ. "! ? "" マズ! ! "They were, 2005 of appreciation time limit. The taste like the petroleum did.

    2008.2.4 Takehiko Inoue


    Well, Matahachi looks pretty bitter, but for once it's justified, "Push me out of the way? I'M the one that saved him!" Of course, she didn't even seem to recognize Mata, and he might not be too excited to see Mushi when he's conscious, after their last meeting, anyway.

    I wonder if the graph paper switch is because it makes it easier to plan, or if Inoue was like me when my good paper was running short and so I'd dig out that old graph paper book I never used for and draw on that. It was always the last resort in school. =)



    Kez Sez: go get it.
    Title: Current Episodes Thread
    Post by: Uriel on February 07, 2008, 03:20:14 AM
    Proper Bastard.

    Gah, lack of translations. I swear as soon as I can I'll take this translating project on by myself! :puck:



    "The taste like the petroleum did."

    Hmmm, enigmatic words. But what does it mean?!
    Title: Current Episodes Thread
    Post by: Aazealh on February 07, 2008, 08:10:45 AM
    "The taste like the petroleum did."

    Hmmm, enigmatic words. But what does it mean?!

    He ate food that had expired in 2005. It tasted like oil.
    Title: Current Episodes Thread
    Post by: Griffith on February 07, 2008, 08:17:59 AM
    Haha, I love the proper translation, even changing petroleum to oil. :guts:

    How about 244 and 245 for an encore? :carcus:
    Title: Current Episodes Thread
    Post by: Aazealh on February 07, 2008, 09:23:58 AM
    Haha, I love the proper translation, even changing petroleum to oil. :guts:

    How about 244 and 245 for an encore? :carcus:

    Sorry, can't dignify this section with too many of my posts. :miura:

    Plus, since I don't keep up with the series, I wouldn't want to spoil myself too much in the eventuality that I'll read it properly one day. :guts:
    Title: Current Episodes Thread
    Post by: Griffith on February 08, 2008, 12:30:49 AM
    Sorry, can't dignify this section with too many of my posts. :miura:

    Ha, I don't think we'll have to worry about that happening.



    Gah, lack of translations. I swear as soon as I can I'll take this translating project on by myself! :puck:

    Kez tells me there's no longer a need for that.
    Title: Current Episodes Thread
    Post by: Uriel on February 12, 2008, 11:51:48 AM
    Just finished "reading" it.

    Some classic Matahachi moments -- the sake panel will be sure to make the volume doodles! Other than that, another dialogue heavy chapter. Matahachi, as usual, is clearly at war with himself. The man lives a life of absolute regret -- it's pathetic. Yet, I still find myself feeling somewhat sorry for him. After all, I believe he represents a lot of men who aren't of Musashi's caliber (i.e. most of us). To have been there at the start will undoubtedly throw a lot of his weak, scurrying moments back into his face when he find Musashi moving so far ahead.

    Speaking of which, an early morning analysis might get thrown back in my face, so I'll stop here.

    Oh, and Otsu was mindblowingly beautiful throughout.



    Preview for Vagabond 247

    (http://img201.imageshack.us/img201/2041/247ace5.gif)

    (http://img142.imageshack.us/img142/1417/247bmv4.gif)

    New previews coming your way like a freight train!

    Quote from: Inoue Takehiko on the Web

    About former times there are no times when book and CD and DVD are bought from the edge which catches to the eyes.
    "This ほ it is with reading? Being a time when you see? What it is not seen yet was attached so "and so on, one time the habit which it hesitates. It is necessary thing, but, it does also the kind of air which lets escape the encounter to which about 1% shines. . .


    It's like he turns on his "poet" just for us..

    First page is pretty clear.. the second, though. Well, any guesses? I think that's a wound...
    Title: Current Episodes Thread
    Post by: Walter on February 12, 2008, 05:00:01 PM
    The second page looks like Takuan is dealing with Musashi's injuries.
    Title: Current Episodes Thread
    Post by: Uriel on February 15, 2008, 11:53:27 AM
    2 Points for Wally! :badbone:

    It's a nasty looking wound too. I don't know what it is Takuan is saying during this chapter, but it definitely has an impact on Otsu. Still, new Vagabond first thing in the morning is the best kind of way to start my 23rd year of life :P
    Title: Current Episodes Thread
    Post by: CnC on February 15, 2008, 03:07:04 PM
    It's a nasty looking wound too. I don't know what it is Takuan is saying during this chapter, but it definitely has an impact on Otsu.

    I wanna say he's saying he can no longer live as a swordsman.  That's probably way off, tho.  Anyways it's an interesting chapter.  I'm wondering what Matahachi's saying towards the end
    Title: Current Episodes Thread
    Post by: Griffith on February 15, 2008, 07:19:42 PM
    (http://boingboing.net/images/VY9P6990cake.jpg)

    Happy Birthday, Uriel.

    I'm sure Takuan said something like Musashi might not fully recover, his wounds could be fatal (or maybe just that he's going to Hell =), but in reality I think at worst he'll have a limp, and maybe only in name, something that hurts he can bitch about it (though knowing Mushi he'll just rub some dirt on it and be okay). It would cool if it required him to take a few years off from fighting though, go into farming, play house with Otsu, disappear, only to come out of retirement and use his powers for good, singlehandedly destroying an army of evil bandits and saving the town, making him more famous than ever and creating further clamor for a duel with Kojiro! And that's with many smaller adventures in between, we gotta meet Ito and Gonosuke again after all! Well, we can dream, anyway. =)

    Anyway, I hope Matahachi is unknowingly apologizing for being such a sleaze in life in general, starting with abandoning Otsu. Though, I'm most excited to hear what Takuan has to say to Musashi, my favorite line of these chapters so far has been:

    "You came back. (Back from the gates of Hell...)"

    Now was he referring to the awfulness of the battlefield or the awfulness of Musashi's deed? I think they need to redefine kindness. :guts:
    Title: Current Episodes Thread
    Post by: Uriel on February 15, 2008, 10:31:21 PM
    Cheers, Griff! :guts:

    Aye, I think the "Musashi is boned" news is the only thing that can get that sort of reaction out of Otsu. And yeah, ousting bandits. That'd be nice!
    Title: Current Episodes Thread
    Post by: Griffith on February 16, 2008, 02:08:30 AM
    Well, translation confirms our suspicions:

    "Musashi... Can live by the sword no longer..."

     :isidro:

    Of course, how much you want to bet on the opposite? =) Anyway, this is a pretty awesome development and direction of the story and character.
    Title: Current Episodes Thread
    Post by: CnC on February 16, 2008, 02:38:35 AM
    Well, translation confirms our suspicions:

    "Musashi... Can live by the sword no longer..."


    This confirms my suspicions.. I'm actually an expert in Japanese...

    ...
     :troll:
    Title: Current Episodes Thread
    Post by: Griffith on February 16, 2008, 03:02:32 AM
    Yeah, you hit it on the head. I just hope you're right about Indy too. :troll:
    Title: Current Episodes Thread
    Post by: CnC on February 16, 2008, 03:22:30 AM
    I just hope you're right about Indy too. :troll:

    That's between me and Griffith no More.  Mind your own business, "Mushi"
    Title: Current Episodes Thread
    Post by: Walter on February 16, 2008, 04:01:57 AM
    Well, translation confirms our suspicions: ...
     :isidro:
    -THE END-
    Title: Current Episodes Thread
    Post by: Griffith on February 16, 2008, 07:43:00 AM
    That's between me and Griffith no More.  Mind your own business, "Mushi"

    He... Can live by the Internet no longer...

    Hmmm, something about all this gives me a strange idea...

    (http://www.skullknight.net/griffith/mushigriff2.jpg)   (http://www.skullknight.net/griffith/mushigriff.jpg)

    -THE END-

    (http://www.skullknight.net/griffith/mushigriff1.jpg)

    Mushi no more. =(
    Title: Current Episodes Thread
    Post by: Baldulf on February 16, 2008, 02:22:24 PM
    So a sacrifice must be made in order to fulfill his dream (and for the sake of his manhood)
    Title: Current Episodes Thread
    Post by: CnC on February 16, 2008, 03:29:56 PM
    NICE.  Really like the first comp, especially.
    Title: Current Episodes Thread
    Post by: Ramen4ever on February 16, 2008, 05:45:21 PM
    Your gonna need a full cast!
    (http://img170.imageshack.us/img170/7457/gutsahachismallif2.jpg) (http://imageshack.us)
    Ok, so he looks a little demented, Fuck off, I'm working with Ms Paint here.  :puck:
    Title: Current Episodes Thread
    Post by: CnC on February 16, 2008, 08:19:32 PM
    comparing guts to matahachi... just doesn't sit right...   :guts:

    cool edit job, tho ramen!
    Title: Current Episodes Thread
    Post by: Griffith on February 16, 2008, 08:56:25 PM
    Yeah, MS paint or not, that looks fine. But yeah, the idea of Gutahatchi is causing my mind to simultaneously implode and explode, resulting in twisted thoughts like this:

    (http://www.skullknight.net/griffith/mushiwyald.jpg)
    Title: Current Episodes Thread
    Post by: CnC on February 16, 2008, 10:04:18 PM
    Words escape me... that's incredibly awesomly stupendously cool
    Title: Current Episodes Thread
    Post by: Ramen4ever on February 16, 2008, 11:26:48 PM
    Oh man, It took me this long to realize that wasn't Wyalds face.
    Genius, Mushi.. just genius.

    Well here's my latest abomination.
    (http://img225.imageshack.us/img225/5062/gutahachi2mv9.jpg) (http://imageshack.us)
    Best I could do with the tools I had at hand.. ms paint-Damn you!!
    Title: Current Episodes Thread
    Post by: Ramen4ever on February 17, 2008, 04:03:48 AM
    I await your responses! :puck:
    Title: Current Episodes Thread
    Post by: CnC on February 17, 2008, 04:16:05 AM
    This is a tangent to the thread that I not only welcome, I eagerly await further deviations...

    excellent, Ramen..
    Title: Current Episodes Thread
    Post by: Ramen4ever on February 17, 2008, 05:48:40 AM
    ^
    Thank you.

    Uh.. self explanatory.
    (http://img146.imageshack.us/img146/889/gutsahachiandgrandmawv9.jpg) (http://imageshack.us)
    Title: Current Episodes Thread
    Post by: pippin22 on February 17, 2008, 04:44:06 PM
    That is some fine art.
    Title: Current Episodes Thread
    Post by: Ramen4ever on February 17, 2008, 05:02:25 PM
    Thank you! :ganishka:
    I recommend viewing the last one along side the original.
    Now someone else contribute.. Please. I'm looking at you CnC. :daiba:

    P.S. MS Paint is no longer an excuse. :puck:
    Title: Current Episodes Thread
    Post by: Uriel on February 17, 2008, 09:14:44 PM
    If only we could give threads stars. Instant 5!

    In stead, it gets a motivational poster:

    (http://img147.imageshack.us/img147/5333/1167348970304fi7.jpg)

    I'd gladly participate, but I'm so pressed for time. Besides, how many more characters can be assigned?
    Title: Current Episodes Thread
    Post by: Griffith on February 18, 2008, 09:16:27 AM
    (http://www.skullknight.net/griffith/mushitranquil.jpg)
    Title: Current Episodes Thread
    Post by: CnC on February 18, 2008, 11:38:27 AM
    fuckin' great, both mushi and ramen. :ganishka:
    Title: Current Episodes Thread
    Post by: Ramen4ever on February 18, 2008, 03:13:32 PM
    Thats awesome. hehehe, the old man.  :guts:
    Title: Current Episodes Thread
    Post by: Griffith on February 21, 2008, 01:17:27 PM
    (http://www.itplanning.co.jp/images/vaga/vol.gif)

    (http://www.itplanning.co.jp/images/vaga/248a.gif)

    (http://www.itplanning.co.jp/images/vaga/248b.gif)
    Quote from: Inoue
    "Something we would like to try trying the new picture material."
    2008.2.20 Takahiko Inoue

    Uh, yeah, looks great. =)

    And white paper returns! Or the contrast is just way turned up, at the very least there's some hand drawn grids on there.
    Title: Current Episodes Thread
    Post by: Walter on February 21, 2008, 01:51:22 PM
    Looks like Matahachi reminiscing with Mushi about their past together.
    Title: Current Episodes Thread
    Post by: Uriel on February 21, 2008, 08:06:04 PM
    Lovely jubbly...

    And yeah, Wally pretty much said what I'm seeing in the preview. Looking forward to digesting it all.
    Title: Current Episodes Thread
    Post by: Griffith on February 23, 2008, 04:51:05 AM
    Whoa, whole new page added to the preview to bring it to the normal 2. Definitely graph paper, and definitely some childhood reminiscing which looks to include Otsu in the flashback, though these images aren't very face specific, I'm currently laughing at the bottom right of the first one, "Oil can... oil can..."

    Now to change the subject... to fashion! Musashi's possibly going to be getting some new threads since his old clothes got fucking shredded and tarnished in that battle. What kind of new look and colors do you think our main man might get, or will it just be more of the same ole, same ole?
    Title: Current Episodes Thread
    Post by: Uriel on February 23, 2008, 05:31:57 AM
    Something like this?

    (http://img245.imageshack.us/img245/7353/64167280bn1.jpg)

    As my Nan would say: "He looks hip!"... which instantly removed any kind of credibility to the modern Musashi.
    Title: Current Episodes Thread
    Post by: Griffith on February 23, 2008, 06:15:08 AM
    I have a better idea...

    (http://www.skullknight.net/griffith/takuanarmor.jpg)

    (http://www.skullknight.net/griffith/musashikillingmore.jpg)
    Title: Current Episodes Thread
    Post by: Sparnage on February 23, 2008, 01:40:15 PM
    Nice, another already.
    Title: Current Episodes Thread
    Post by: Ramen4ever on February 23, 2008, 04:03:36 PM
    Nice work Mushi.
    The combination of him saying hes feeling better while there's blood spraying out of his leg, it's quite priceless.
    Title: Current Episodes Thread
    Post by: Uriel on February 27, 2008, 11:36:10 AM
    "Preview" for Vagabond 249
    (http://img177.imageshack.us/img177/6447/volan0.gif)

    (http://img99.imageshack.us/img99/5227/nodraftaaa7.gif)

    (http://img99.imageshack.us/img99/5227/nodraftaaa7.gif)

    A little more detailed than usual this week...

    Quote from: Inoue Takehiko on the Web

    This week it was not possible. The one which is enjoying, it is not completed!


    That from "Katuhiko Inoue"...

    Ah well, at least it's up. I'm sure we'll have something to talk about when we've seen last weeks chapter :P



    (http://img177.imageshack.us/img177/6447/volan0.gif)

    (http://www.itplanning.co.jp/images/vaga/249a.gif)

    (http://www.itplanning.co.jp/images/vaga/249b.gif)

    Quote from: Inoue
    As for the food which now has been popular at the work place "to it does and densely" is. Being something where the staff of Fukui graduate has, it does. Salt rice bran soaking of mackerel. As for コレ it is good it is,!

    2008.3.3 Takehiko Inoue
    Title: Current Episodes Thread
    Post by: Griffith on February 27, 2008, 11:43:26 AM
    A little more detailed than usual this week...

    Hahaha, yeah, I heard it wasn't coming out this week, so I stopped checking for previews, but man, what a revelation these are though. Thanks Katuhiko. =)

    (http://img213.imageshack.us/img213/6706/poorinouehs7.jpg)
    Title: Current Episodes Thread
    Post by: Uriel on February 27, 2008, 11:51:20 AM
    Yeah, this week definitely gets the worst case scenario picture.

    Still, I can't be too mad. It'll be a while before we can even discuss the contents of 248, so this isn't such a bum deal.
    Title: Current Episodes Thread
    Post by: Griffith on February 27, 2008, 11:54:46 AM
    Yeah, this basically evens things out with the lateness of 248 hitting the interweb, and gives Inoue a much deserved rest. Still, I'm busting out a Wallaby customized unhappy Den emoticon for the occassion. (http://www.skullknight.net/griffith/Denchishiro3.gif)
    Title: Current Episodes Thread
    Post by: Uriel on February 27, 2008, 11:58:05 AM
    Hmmm.. needs more pockmarks.

    Actually, give him glasses and a pipe and he'd be the spitting image of my primary school headmaster. Creepy.
    Title: Current Episodes Thread
    Post by: Uriel on March 03, 2008, 02:28:11 PM
    out -- you know where.

    I have to say, even though Inoue is obviously going about making me feel bad for Matahachi.. I didn't expect to feel this bad!
    Title: Current Episodes Thread
    Post by: Griffith on March 03, 2008, 07:01:46 PM
    Spoilers:

    I knew it, I had a feeling Matahachi wasn't going to stick around for a reunion, which is a big tease (at least he didn't kidnap Otsu and bite her or anything =). And yeah, he's quite easy to emphasize with here, actually, he's overtaken Musashi for the time being, and looks much better, albeit younger, with a clean shave. Of course, it also helps that he isn't making some strained, ugly expression in that shot (his not even showing Otsu the new/old look is also a tease since she obviously inspired it, but I guess it wouldn't have been genuine or something if he did it just to impress her =).

    BTW, love the new interpretation of Munisai.
    Title: Current Episodes Thread
    Post by: Uriel on March 04, 2008, 03:21:51 AM
    After reading the translations I can say I'm very moved.

    I won't spoil it for those who have not gotten to it yet, but I will say that this new direction has me hopeful that some sort of good deed can be accomplished. Hopefully this isn't the last we'll see of the "new" man on the scene.
    Title: Current Episodes Thread
    Post by: Griffith on March 04, 2008, 09:59:01 AM
    First post updated with the real deal.
    Title: Current Episodes Thread
    Post by: Funkmasta Zeph on March 04, 2008, 02:17:03 PM
    I can't tell whose face that is (the bigget one). Dosen't look like Musashi, Kojiro, or Matahachi.

    Looks a bit like the Yagyu son.
    Title: Current Episodes Thread
    Post by: Uriel on March 05, 2008, 11:53:47 AM
    Nn, I like that idea too.

    The chin is broad enough to be Hyogonosuke. Wow, those 18 volumes flew by! I kind of missed the chap -- if it is him.

    The eyes look different, though; too narrow and.. unalert. [/frivolousimageinterpretation]
    Title: Current Episodes Thread
    Post by: Griffith on March 20, 2008, 08:45:51 AM
    (http://www.itplanning.co.jp/images/vaga/vol.gif)

    (http://www.itplanning.co.jp/images/vaga/250a.gif)

    (http://www.itplanning.co.jp/images/vaga/250b.gif)

    Quote from: Inoue
    This time it became the serialization 250 time. It continues with it was not expected so much. Furthermore from charge compilation S it is large at the time of the deviation from manuscript, it received the bouquet of the celebration. Thank you. Is, but because it had finished to become tired, the staff all ろ く either reaction was not possible and was not completed? . 2008.3.12 Takehiko Inoue

    MUSASHI WAKES!



    http://www.itplanning.co.jp/vaga.html

    (http://www.itplanning.co.jp/images/vaga/vol.gif)

    (http://www.itplanning.co.jp/images/vaga/251a.gif)

    (http://www.itplanning.co.jp/images/vaga/251b.gif)

    Quote from: Inoue
    The name it is the story which at all is not relationship, but when it goes outside, the fragrance of the sinking even number flower doing, it is delightful. Time of the child doing newspaper delivery, something applying was good, it was the point which can feel the change eye of such season first. Or the year new the fragrance of a certain morning with, (the あ, already spring being) with we loved the instant which you become aware. When the sinking even number flower is fragrant, thing of that time is remembered.

    2008.3.20 Takehiko Inoue

    Well, we're now three chapters behind.
    Title: Current Episodes Thread
    Post by: CnC on March 20, 2008, 01:24:07 PM
    Well, we're now three chapters behind.

    That's depressing...  :judo:
    Title: Current Episodes Thread
    Post by: Uriel on March 20, 2008, 06:00:14 PM
    Is that some nakeness?!

    Ahem -- Maybe we'll get them all in a giant rush of Vagabond goodness?![/optimism]
    Title: Current Episodes Thread
    Post by: Funkmasta Zeph on March 26, 2008, 05:53:10 PM
    I just read the translation, and damn, thats actually quite satisfying as a story direction.
    Watching Matahachi atone for his mom's rampage and his own farce could be very interesting.
    I love that he's shaved both beard and goofy hair piece.
    Title: Current Episodes Thread
    Post by: Ramen4ever on March 26, 2008, 06:30:22 PM
    I wonder if Kojiro will just dispatch of him, leading to the final fight between Kojiro and Musashi.
    Title: Current Episodes Thread
    Post by: Uriel on April 10, 2008, 01:28:46 AM
    Need.... sustenance...

    ...... life... fading... no... va..vaga......................
    Title: Current Episodes Thread
    Post by: Funkmasta Zeph on April 10, 2008, 08:26:17 AM
    Yhea seriously.
    This is fucked.
    Title: Current Episodes Thread
    Post by: Uriel on April 18, 2008, 07:08:52 PM
    THE DROUGHT HAS ENDED! THE RAINS HAVE COMETH!
    Title: Current Episodes Thread
    Post by: Griffith on April 18, 2008, 07:16:19 PM
    And when it rains it pours, especially on poor Musashi it seems.

    Mozgus has come for him. =)
    Title: Current Episodes Thread
    Post by: CnC on April 18, 2008, 08:12:50 PM
    Mozgus has come for him. =)

    Sweet! Crossover!

    I have no idea what's goin' on before that but the last page is pretty clear.
    Title: Current Episodes Thread
    Post by: Uriel on April 18, 2008, 11:00:03 PM
    Turns out we did.... just had to wait a while.

    So... what the heck just happened? I expected leg problems, but not the fuzz. Should have been expected. 70 people.. not the kind of thing that goes unnoticed.
    Title: Current Episodes Thread
    Post by: Griffith on April 19, 2008, 05:40:54 AM
    So... what the heck just happened? I expected leg problems, but not the fuzz. Should have been expected. 70 people.. not the kind of thing that goes unnoticed.

    Well, I expected a limp, or that he'd be unable to put weight on it right now, but not that he'd basically need a fucking wheelchair or he's crawling on his belly. Pretty cool though how grim and serious Inoue has made the situation, and I love how he shows the effect it's having on Musashi on his face. Even before his outburst there at the end, you can tell he's going totally bugshit wild over it, you could just see the tension building in his eyes. Of course, if it isn't a pain issue, but a feeling issue, that always leaves the door open for it to return fully, or at least enough that he can re-learn how to walk, etc. Musashi will now dabble in creating techniques for advanced physical therapy, truly a renaissance man. =)

    BTW, loved the montage starting off 249, I wonder if they're spreading the word on their own experiences with Musashi, or hearing about the latest themselves. Speaking of which, if it's not the authorities coming to arrest him, perhaps they are the retainers of a powerful admirer, maybe even the Shogun, who wishes an audience with him (just another possibility, best bet is still the former, naturally).
    Title: Current Episodes Thread
    Post by: Uriel on May 29, 2008, 09:41:03 PM
    It just caught my notice...

    ... I have no idea who the chap on page 15 is. Some retainer from the book who I have forgotten?
    Title: Current Episodes Thread
    Post by: Griffith on July 30, 2008, 05:09:20 AM
    It's just a retainer interested in meeting Musashi, hopefully even an important one associated with the Shogun or something (is that tiger rug an allusion to the book?), maybe they got him into, or will get him out of, this hot water as well.

    Anyway, posting to say that these chapters can now be read in English, and 249 is definitely the coolest.



    http://www.itplanning.co.jp/vaga.html

    HEEEEEE'S BAAAAAAACK!

    (http://www.itplanning.co.jp/images/vaga/vol.gif)

    (http://www.itplanning.co.jp/images/vaga/252a.gif)

    (http://www.itplanning.co.jp/images/vaga/252b.gif)

    Quote
    It's been a while since I last started up again. After the manga exhibit in Ueno, the manuscript feels like a pretty small amount of work.
    And my eyes and throat have been hit by an adenovirus infection...
       
    INOUE TAKEHIKO
    30 July 2008

    And he looks about as happy as a caged tiger.


    P.S. Viz volume 28: Oct 21, 2008
    Title: Current Episodes Thread
    Post by: Walter on July 30, 2008, 10:23:41 AM
    Whoa, awesome speedy update on the preview. Good to have Inoue back in the land of the living. Now let's see how Mushi reacts to his largest career injury. Maybe he could... FARM for a while  :guts:
    Title: Current Episodes Thread
    Post by: Uriel on August 02, 2008, 05:11:54 PM
    Farming... let's hope so.

    The path to enlightenment has to be hidden in radishes somewhere, right?



    Just finished "reading" the new chapter.

    A long wait for a lot of slow-paced dialogue, but I will never complain about that when so long as it is Vagabond.
    Title: Current Episodes Thread
    Post by: Walter on August 06, 2008, 03:22:01 PM
    A long wait for a lot of slow-paced dialogue
    I'm not exactly sure what you were expecting, but Im surprised that's all you have to say about the chapter.

    Mushi's in the SLAMMER, and Koetsu looks like he's putting his reputation on the line to spare him. I wonder if Musashi was formally charged with the death of 80 people. I remember in the novel, it was always sort of an unbelievable act, but this would make it official.

    Poor Kojiro looks concerned. Maybe he'll send Mushi a snowman with a nail file inside?  :ganishka:
    Title: Current Episodes Thread
    Post by: Uriel on August 18, 2008, 12:59:47 PM
    None of these images were of my own creation...

    "Preview" for Vagabond 253
    (http://img139.imageshack.us/img139/9291/253damnitja2.jpg)

    (http://img134.imageshack.us/img134/4702/fakedk9.jpg)

    (http://img134.imageshack.us/img134/1373/fakerpk6.jpg)

    Emotions run high, and translations will make it clear why!
    Title: Current Episodes Thread
    Post by: Griffith on August 28, 2008, 09:11:16 AM
    http://www.itplanning.co.jp/vaga.html

    (http://www.itplanning.co.jp/images/vaga/vol.gif)

    (http://www.itplanning.co.jp/images/vaga/254a.gif)

    (http://www.itplanning.co.jp/images/vaga/254b.gif)

    Quote from: Google Translate
    Up to last week is forgotten! I'm sorry.
    Obon is a moment when the merger because the number and the week off or become confused.
    Still, this year's summer vacation without SSU. Ueno Comics Exhibition by the ripple effect, and real GANBARANAI this summer, autumn and BAGA Books are so出せない.


    2008.8.19
    Takehiko Inoue

    Well, that was fast.

    I was happy to see it come back around to Musashi's time in the tree with Takuan at the end of 253 and, I assume, whether or not his life is much different now. I'm hoping we'll see the beginnings of Musashi's transformation from the sword that takes life to the sword that gives life. =)



    http://www.itplanning.co.jp/vaga.html
    (http://www.itplanning.co.jp/images/vaga/vol.gif)

    (http://www.itplanning.co.jp/images/vaga/255a.gif)

    (http://www.itplanning.co.jp/images/vaga/255b.gif)

    Quote
    A recent name in the book and DVD, T-shirts and caps, impulsive and prone to buy in bulk have been revived. Recent work in the canvas bag and Eco-bag, but this CD is about to enter PAKAPAKA buy anything they may not know too much. After the summer, most wearing shorts, so far, even if this is a cool guy to foil the long MENDOKUSAI.
    Next week the real number 2 for continuous delivery of relief vagabond, will not carry Correction bon appétit. I'm sorry, for a brief moment, please.


    2008.8.27
    Takehiko Inoue

    One of these pages is the same, did we get a SUPER preview of 255 in the 254 preview? =)Looks like Mushi demonstrating in his cell, and Kojiro and that dude from 254... wow, juxtaposition in a preview?

    Anyway, exciting implications from 254, we see the Beast of Carved Buddhas, Musashi getting some more wisdom handed down from the masters, including even a cameo from the great Isenokami, and might that be Kojiro's sword in that wrap? If so, he seemed kind of down now that we think we "know who would have won", will this be how Kojiro gets his groove back?
    Title: Current Episodes Thread
    Post by: Walter on August 28, 2008, 12:54:34 PM
    It's difficult to tell the implications of 254 so far, without a translation of course. Im still wrapping my head around 253's. I think I'll continue to feel lost until I see the Viz volume. But I don't think that's Kojiro's sword ... Anyway, I wonder who the new guy is at the end, inspecting the stick.

    Guessing we'll see some more of him in this chapter.
    Title: Current Episodes Thread
    Post by: Griffith on August 28, 2008, 06:44:10 PM
    It's difficult to tell the implications of 254 so far, without a translation of course. Im still wrapping my head around 253's. I think I'll continue to feel lost until I see the Viz volume.

    I don't see what you mean, I think it's obvious Kojiro has a cold. Speaking of which, I wish we could get a translator for this section... someone that could do it fast, as in with little trouble to themselves.

    But I don't think that's Kojiro's sword ...

    I can't really argue, it was just a gut feeling. Still, it's not a totally random conclusion, all things considered. That's almost certainly a sword, it looks rather large, and it's wrapped as if it's not for common use, or perhaps damaged (a good reason to bring it to Koetsu). Furthering the sword speculation, they could even be fellow students of Jisai sent to deliver Kojiro's birthright (assuming it was recovered =), ala Tenki with his certificate. Of course, now I'm stretching a stretch, but it's all I've got without a translation other than the default "random guys" scenario.

    Anyway, I wonder who the new guy is at the end, inspecting the stick.

    Guessing we'll see some more of him in this chapter.

    He looks rather impressive on the last page, though it could be more that the drawing was impressive. Looks kind of like a cleaned up Musashi with that stick in his hand, maybe Kojiro is thinking the same.
    Title: Current Episodes Thread
    Post by: Uriel on September 08, 2008, 08:12:52 PM
    My new avatar is my "need translations" face.
    Title: Current Episodes Thread
    Post by: Griffith on September 17, 2008, 09:10:15 PM
    http://www.itplanning.co.jp/vaga.html

    (http://www.itplanning.co.jp/images/vaga/vol.gif)

    (http://www.itplanning.co.jp/images/vaga/256a.gif)

    (http://www.itplanning.co.jp/images/vaga/256b.gif)

    I want more Takuan sketches. :ganishka:

    Quote from: Google Translate
    Paralympic wheelchair basketball on the Internet, check the results of the hope and fear.
    With everyone's tired! (Real-ish, but the tip)


    2008.9.17
    Takehiko Inoue

    The meaning of Vagareal is all becoming clear to me, Musashi is going to pioneer wheelchair fighting.
    Title: Current Episodes Thread
    Post by: Uriel on September 17, 2008, 11:45:44 PM

    The meaning of Vagareal is all becoming clear to me, Musashi is going to pioneer wheelchair fighting.


    .. I'd still sign up for that.

    Anyway, looks like the Prison arc continues for now. Looking forward to it (should be a darn sight shorted than the Prison Arc in Blade of the Immortal..)
    Title: Current Episodes Thread
    Post by: Griffith on September 24, 2008, 07:55:52 PM
    http://www.itplanning.co.jp/vaga.html

    (http://www.itplanning.co.jp/images/vaga/vol.gif)

    (http://www.itplanning.co.jp/images/vaga/257a.gif)

    (http://www.itplanning.co.jp/images/vaga/257b.gif)

    Quote from: Google Translate
    Posters for some time to do a variety of color illustrations Deadline staged a mishmash, and it required a series of tough, hard.
    Library books, but also in the form you received in the world rewarding surely to dawn, so until that time - GANBARIMASU.


    2008.9.24
    Takehiko Inoue
    Title: Current Episodes Thread
    Post by: Uriel on September 25, 2008, 11:13:36 AM
    Wow...

    Some of the panels are just beautiful. A nice focus on Takuan for the second part of the chapter. And, Musashi holds a stick!
    Title: Current Episodes Thread
    Post by: Griffith on October 15, 2008, 04:43:06 PM
    Indeed it is beautifully drawn, too bad the image quality is that of Walter's special edition of Berserk #181. :ganishka:



    http://www.itplanning.co.jp/vaga.html

    (http://www.itplanning.co.jp/images/vaga/vol.gif)

    (http://www.itplanning.co.jp/images/vaga/no_drafta.gif)

    (http://www.itplanning.co.jp/images/vaga/no_drafta.gif)

    Quote from: Google Translate
    BAGA out at the end of Volume 11 of 29 in parallel with work to do this column. I drew the cover. This feels a bit strange - and may get you excited. On the other hand, this column is modified plus two minutes left to talk.
    Only one book will be a lot of pages from the book to work and to this day have already determined the number of pages, bound around on the contents and to draw, I feel a little bit different. The pressure is slightly better.


    2008.10.15
    Takehiko Inoue
    Title: Current Episodes Thread
    Post by: Uriel on October 16, 2008, 03:02:34 AM
    Some truly beautiful panels, again.

    One page in particular will shine out from the crowd. Hair-pulling and all.
    Title: Current Episodes Thread
    Post by: Griffith on October 30, 2008, 06:02:43 PM
    It is cool, but I'm actually a bigger fan of the pages just before that.



    http://www.itplanning.co.jp/vaga.html

    (http://www.itplanning.co.jp/images/vaga/vol.gif)

    (http://www.itplanning.co.jp/images/vaga/259a.gif)

    (http://www.itplanning.co.jp/images/vaga/259b.gif)

    Quote
    Deadline for the remaining hours before or by how much will depend on a number draw, so there is not time to an extreme case, the old painting was frustrated by the焦TTA out to be rough. It is also the stress that is calmer than before and some violent images have also decreased. Has increased the number to go yet. Each will be forced to last-minute progress in some of the hardened heart. Do not really going to last-minute go by is the best, but there is a足RAN training.


    2008.10.23
    Takehiko Inoue



    http://www.itplanning.co.jp/vaga.html

    (http://www.itplanning.co.jp/images/vaga/vol.gif)

    (http://www.itplanning.co.jp/images/vaga/no_drafta.gif)

    (http://www.itplanning.co.jp/images/vaga/no_drafta.gif)

    Quote from: Google Translate
    Vagabond who's responsible combination of two editors, was the predecessor of the two men, both of the pair's initials are the S and M's.
    Well, this time by 29 minutes MATOMARIMASHITA volume. Since the end of November you will look forward to.


    2008.10.31
    Takehiko Inoue
    Title: Current Episodes Thread
    Post by: Ramen4ever on October 31, 2008, 04:28:07 AM
    This is one of those episodes were things just aren't clear without some SK.net quality translations. Heck I'd settle for a summary at this point. :carcus:
    Title: Current Episodes Thread
    Post by: Walter on December 05, 2008, 07:59:54 PM
    I haven't been following Vagabond regularly for about 6 months now. Is Inoue on a break currently? I haven't seen much discussion of recent episodes, and his website seems even less informative than normal.
    Title: Current Episodes Thread
    Post by: Griffith on January 30, 2009, 10:21:47 AM
    http://www.itplanning.co.jp/vaga.html

    (http://www.itplanning.co.jp/images/vaga/vol.gif)

    (http://www.itplanning.co.jp/images/vaga/261a.gif)

    (http://www.itplanning.co.jp/images/vaga/261b.gif)

    Quote from: Google translate
    We have conversations with Mr. Oda Eiichirou one-piece last Sunday.
    He got a life to continue rowing at the forefront of the hardships of Shonen Jump.
    And there is a depiction of a coincidence, but even now回船.


    2009.2.3
    Inoue Takehiko
    Title: Current Episodes Thread
    Post by: Sparnage on January 31, 2009, 05:30:15 AM
    I thought it was due in January, my mistake. It looks to be a heavy Matahachi episode, but I hope I'm wrong and it focuses more on Kojiro's little stunt.
    Title: Current Episodes Thread
    Post by: Griffith on February 10, 2009, 12:53:59 AM
    Very interesting episode.

    They're finally on the fucking boat!! ... wait a minute...
    Title: Current Episodes Thread
    Post by: Uriel on February 13, 2009, 02:48:50 AM

    "Preview" for Vagabond 262
    (http://img18.imageshack.us/img18/5310/volkh2.gif)

    (http://img7.imageshack.us/img7/6587/262atq8.gif)

    (http://img297.imageshack.us/img297/9936/262bam4.gif)

    Babelfish for the.... win?

    Quote from: Inoue Takehiko on the Web

    Serialization of cartoon after all did not overstrain and the work no shelf ~ which the [te] is not good being popular and, this week felt freshly.


    Such a tease! I can hardly wait!!
    Title: Current Episodes Thread
    Post by: Griffith on February 18, 2009, 03:48:04 AM
    Haha, good God man, use Google translate, sometimes it even half makes sense.

    Interesting, I suppose Kojiro is going somewhere to get a job, leaving Mushi to his own devices... I can't tell from the translations, but I wouldn't be surprised if they both ended up in Edo, though I wouldn't mind a separation for Musashi to do his own thing. I'm curious as to when Gonnosuke will re-enter the picture.



    Kojiro's happy boat ride... 1 ep without Mushi and I miss him already. =)



    http://www.itplanning.co.jp/vaga.html

    (http://www.itplanning.co.jp/images/vaga/vol.gif)

    (http://www.itplanning.co.jp/images/vaga/263a.gif)

    (http://www.itplanning.co.jp/images/vaga/263b.gif)

    Quote from: Google translate
    I draw the line in the brush, I have many things in that time.
    Wants a picture or whatever, as well as health, mental state, with no time left, about the confidence
    , Seaweed, and so on. Volume before the "Comics" just after a number of paintings depicting large, bold and D (also known as miscellaneous) Although the line, the series is the first to pen a little delicate. As far as the thoughts of our readers will feel the difference, such as commuting to clear up. KAWAIKUNAKU said it was the first bold brush, said first brush was a cute and delicate.
    Oh yeah yeah.


    2009.2.17
    Inoue Takehiko
    Title: Current Episodes Thread
    Post by: Walter on February 18, 2009, 05:05:04 PM
    Glad to see Inoue is back in the saddle. Feels as if this break was forever long.  :sad:

    As always, it's difficult to tell, but it appears someone is getting stoned by villagers. Based on a few of the panels, this looks like a Matahachi chapter, too. Which can be good or bad news.
    Title: Current Episodes Thread
    Post by: Uriel on February 18, 2009, 11:17:55 PM
    Sorry -- no Matahachi in this chapter, Wally.

    However, the weirdness shown in the previews does occur. A certain someone does climb up a mast and yells "WAAAAAAA!". Yeah.. aside from that, it's more of A Yoshioka Christmas Carol in Prose, Being an Ueda Ghost Story of Christmas. This time, Ueda plays the Ghost of Christmas Past -- showing Otsu all kinds of things that Mushi-kun was up to when he could walk. My favourite panel has to be this one... so perfectly gruesome:

    (http://img54.imageshack.us/img54/2171/grimuedaaz8.jpg)
    Title: Current Episodes Thread
    Post by: mecreddie on February 19, 2009, 09:27:30 AM
    i still can't figure it out if vagabond has re-started again, or we have only a few pages of ch. 261,262 and 263 names. . . and if they're just the names, when the serialization is goin to restart?
    thank you guys!
    Title: Current Episodes Thread
    Post by: Griffith on February 19, 2009, 09:42:51 AM
    This was quite a fantastic episode in every sense of the word. Very cool, very strange. I remember Sparnage and others already taking issue with some of the supernatural/spiritual elements. Well, Inoue's really pushing the envelope here. Ueda "Freddie Krueger" Ryohei attacking Musashi where he's not invincible, in Otsu's dreams! Assaulting and kidnapping an innocent woman's spirit in her bed? Ueda's not a spook, he's a creep! What's fascinating is it's not unlike what we see in Berserk with spirits and out of body experiences; like, it didn't even really hit me how strange it was until now because... I'm used to it, funny as that is.

    Anyway, as I alluded to and Uriel's picture exemplifies, Ueda makes for quite the good unfriendly, and hypocritical, ghost, and it's always interesting to see more of the fallout of Musashi's 70 man onslaught (though it was actually more like 80, more on that later). Not to mention a Horikawa sighting, though a sad one. Looking forward to Otsu's response to the stark realities of Musashi's life, and if she'll appeal to him about it as Takuan already has.

    i still can't figure it out if vagabond has re-started again, or we have only a few pages of ch. 261,262 and 263 names. . . and if they're just the names, when the serialization is goin to restart?
    thank you guys!

    Serialization indeed resumed with 261 a couple of weeks ago, and hopefully we can expect a steady diet of Vagabond until 269. Does that clear things up or am I missing something?
    Title: Current Episodes Thread
    Post by: Walter on February 19, 2009, 01:56:02 PM
    宮本 武蔵  already said what I came here to say. Since I'd taken a rather long break from reading Vagabond, the supernatural elements here didn't stick out to me at all. I was, however, instantly reminded of Schierke when I saw how Inoue portrayed the ghostly stuff.

    Death has really not served Ueda well. He's truly become a ghoul. I mean, obviously the guy's final moments of life weren't exactly grand, and he's now possessed by revenge, but this is almost out of character for the man who was once the guiding light of the Yoshioka. Spiritnapping Otsu just to attempt to turn her against Musashi is about as low as it gets. And here' the thing... Otsu should already at this point be keenly aware of the path Musashi is on. She was there for the literal disembowelment of Denshichiro. What could Ueda show her now that she wasn't already prepared for?

    I guess I'll just have to wait for a translation to really understand the intentions of Ueda, and the validity of his plan.
    Title: Current Episodes Thread
    Post by: mecreddie on February 19, 2009, 06:14:11 PM
    Serialization indeed resumed with 261 a couple of weeks ago, and hopefully we can expect a steady diet of Vagabond until 269. Does that clear things up or am I missing something?

    I see, it's just that i still can't find the episodes online and i thought there were just some skretches!
    thanx man ;)

    Title: Current Episodes Thread
    Post by: Griffith on February 19, 2009, 09:25:12 PM
    I was, however, instantly reminded of Schierke when I saw how Inoue portrayed the ghostly stuff.

    I know, I half expect Ueda's and Otsu's souls to bump into Schierke and Farnese flying around, and Kojiro to run into Roderick's ship on the high seas. Even Ueda's explanation of why he hasn't left the world is consistent with Berserk. It's like a spiritual crossover is happening, if in the next episode of Berserk Ganishka has a 20 page childhood flashback and the Hawk of Light is represented by abstract brushstrokes, we'll know our dream of Inoue and Miura switching series for a week has come true.

    BTW, Kojiro and Casca would make a great couple. "Aau?" "Aau!"

    Death has really not served Ueda well. He's truly become a ghoul. I mean, obviously the guy's final moments of life weren't exactly grand, and he's now possessed by revenge, but this is almost out of character for the man who was once the guiding light of the Yoshioka.

    Upon second glance, Otsu said something to him before closing her eyes, which possibly provoked him into action. So, perhaps his motives aren't calculated at all, but a genuine reaction to open her eyes and set her straight. More on that below...

    Spiritnapping Otsu just to attempt to turn her against Musashi is about as low as it gets. And here' the thing... Otsu should already at this point be keenly aware of the path Musashi is on. She was there for the literal disembowelment of Denshichiro. What could Ueda show her now that she wasn't already prepared for?

    I don't know about that, although she's been present for the aftermath since childhood, one could see Otsu as having turned somewhat of a blind eye towards the consequences of Musashi's existence. Sure, she was at the duel with Den, but she literally closed her eyes to it. Whether that was simply because she couldn't bear to see something possibly happen to Musashi or not, it's systemic of the blinders she wears when it comes to him and the sword. It's always just been about them to her, and her acceptance of the sword has always been passive, she's said herself that she simply doesn't understand the way of the sword, and she's certainly never had it thrown in her face like this (the closest thing would be her own contrast of Musashi and Yagyu). If her understanding was something of a blank slate before, Ueda's now doing his best to shape that understanding with his point of view. Whatever he said, whether it was warning about or for Musashi, it had her in tears.

    I see, it's just that i still can't find the episodes online and i thought there were just some skretches!
    thanx man ;)

    You're welcome, looking forward to seeing you around the Inn.
    Title: Current Episodes Thread
    Post by: TheBranded1 on February 20, 2009, 10:27:08 PM

    I wonder where is Ueda taking Otsu after this? He was offering his hand as if to say "follow me" or "come with me".Farther into the past or the aftermath of the battle.
    Title: Current Episodes Thread
    Post by: Griffith on February 23, 2009, 11:52:34 AM
    Yes, I'm wondering what exactly is going on there as well. Is he offering simply to show her more, or is something more sinister afoot?



    Can anyone translate the title of this episode? I know you have the volume, Uriel, but here's the title for everyone's convenience:

    (http://www.skullknight.net/griffith/256.jpg)

    Anyway, looks like the Prison arc continues for now. Looking forward to it (should be a darn sight shorted than the Prison Arc in Blade of the Immortal..)
    Still a long way to go for that, but 6 months later and he's still in prison.(http://www.skullknight.net/griffith/mushi.gif)
    Title: Current Episodes Thread
    Post by: Uriel on February 23, 2009, 01:45:46 PM
    武蔵: is the kanji for koe or voice.


    Still a long way to go for that, but 6 months later and he's still in prison.


    That's true, but once we start reaching the point where it has consumed ⅔ of the manga... that will be the time to fret.
    Title: Current Episodes Thread
    Post by: Walter on February 24, 2009, 03:34:48 PM
    Well, even in his ghoulish state, I don't think Ueda would cause any harm to come to Otsu. He's not leading her to his ghostly apartment for some Patrick Swayze/Demi Moore action or anything  :carcus:

    It's probably just a cue that they're going to continue their illusion journey.

    Also, I was looking through the series over the weekend and realized just how many incidents with spirit interaction there have been. Of course, there's Mushi seeing Inshun directly after their duel and Mushi's recurring visions and conversations with his father. And as recently as the guy Kojiro was dueling with seeing the old man who sent him back from the afterlife.

    There certainly are more, and I'm wishing now that I'd written them all down... I still feel somewhat of a noob with Vagabond, even though I've been reading the Viz editions for 5 years.
    Title: Current Episodes Thread
    Post by: Griffith on February 24, 2009, 08:58:18 PM
    武蔵: is the kanji for koe or voice.

    Ahh, that makes a ton of sense, thanks again, Uriel.

    That's true, but once we start reaching the point where it has consumed ⅔ of the manga... that will be the time to fret.

    Wally and I are wondering how much longer the series is going to go actually. I think Inoue's bitten off more than he can chew if he wants to end it soon, but Wally has a feeling...



    I was looking through the series over the weekend and realized just how many incidents with spirit interaction there have been. Of course, there's Mushi seeing Inshun directly after their duel and Mushi's recurring visions and conversations with his father. And as recently as the guy Kojiro was dueling with seeing the old man who sent him back from the afterlife.

    Yeah, previously these spiritual encounters were always more vague, abstract, and fleeting. Open to interpretation, where Musashi's sense of it could be just as much be a manifestation of the feelings in his head as something he's experiencing externally. For example, when Musashi was confronted by his father, I don't know that it was literally his father's ghost (though it doesn't matter), just like I am sure Musashi didn't actually transform into himself as a child at that time. Even Ueda's first ghostly appearance behind Musashi felt like it was just as much in the back of his mind than the back of the room.

    With this Otsu example, the lines are much less blurred; she didn't know Ueda, never even saw him, but he's talking to her, directly alluding to being a ghost haunting the joint, and is now even taking her on spirit journeys. Of course, whether that's literally true, or still just something figuratively haunting Otsu and her dreams in the form of Ueda for the reader's benefit, is still open to interpretation. Enough to keep the mystique, anyway.

    There certainly are more, and I'm wishing now that I'd written them all down... I still feel somewhat of a noob with Vagabond, even though I've been reading the Viz editions for 5 years.

    I know how you feel, that's why we need to keep plugging away in here. As with Berserk, I feel much smarter about it after reading and writing some posts analyzing it, and relatively speaking, our knowledge of Vagabond is still very undernourished in that regard. Speaking of that and writing down the spiritual encounters of the series, it sounds like you've got a good idea for a new thread topic. =)
    Title: Current Episodes Thread
    Post by: Uriel on February 25, 2009, 12:20:46 PM
    "Preview" for Vagabond 264
    (http://img145.imageshack.us/img145/4219/vol.gif)

    (http://img4.imageshack.us/img4/1063/264a.gif)

    (http://img518.imageshack.us/img518/2531/264b.gif)

    And the Google translations:

    Quote
       
    GETAKU when the name was created to encourage one another to inspire yourself叱咤.
    Opportunity, in a notebook when you are suffering from the name "to" I think that is something I can write it.
    From the unconscious may have previously been, I dare to do consciously.
    Specifically, whether state or any one, or how to do this over the wall, and ideas into words (but出SAN voice) and try out.
    My role is to give his name and is separated with a touch.
    After that little time is about 5 minutes, and a little easier mentally and continues since.


    Yeah, I don't think that's too accurate.

    I believe he's actually saying that he was running away from the story board, but he gave himself a "pep talk" to cheer himself up. Also, Inoue says that when the storyboard was giving him trouble, he had written down "I/You can do it!" in his note book to remind himself that he could handle it...



    Anyway, looks like Ueda continues to haunt Otsu (though with a couple more "Oh, I can do this too!" moments). Also, Musashi goes back to swinging the old stick around. I suppose he realised a rolling stone gathers no moss, finally. Speaking of -- keep rolling them out, Inoue!
    Title: Current Episodes Thread
    Post by: TheBranded1 on February 25, 2009, 01:07:19 PM



    Seems like Ueda either make himself into a snake to take Otsu by force to another trip. It might be a fear she has and Ueda is taking advantage of it. Also, Musashi look frustrated after some swings. Looking foward to it. :guts:
    Title: Current Episodes Thread
    Post by: Walter on February 27, 2009, 06:41:09 AM
    Oooh a snake in the shape of ... a SPIRAL! Ghouile Ueda is so devious  :beast:

    I won't bother making a potshot prediction this time, since I've been wrong about 90% of the time with these little sketches. But I feel certain about the snake bit.



    I think Inoue's bitten off more than he can chew if he wants to end it soon, but Wally has a feeling...
    Only in terms of where Musashi is spiritually at the "end" of his journey and where he is now. He's so very close to achieving that sense of purity and self that he has by the last few chapters of Yoshikawa's novel. And when you come right down to it, I just have an feeling in my gut that the series won't go more than 5-6 more volumes. Of course, I've made similar predictions of Berserk and been outright wrong on many occasions. I've since given up on the futility of predicting an end for it.
    Title: Current Episodes Thread
    Post by: Griffith on February 27, 2009, 10:55:25 AM
    Only in terms of where Musashi is spiritually at the "end" of his journey and where he is now. He's so very close to achieving that sense of purity and self that he has by the last few chapters of Yoshikawa's novel.

    I don't know about that, much more than Yoshikawa's ideal, this Musashi has to take a step back for every two steps forward. That's not to say he's underachieving, but that it's a necessary step to his ascension. It's a cycle, which In'ei described in terms of the seasons. We've seen it again and again, the latest example being when Musashi tells Takuan he's going to ignore the Yoshioka's challenge, and even though Takuan recognizes and compliments him on his strength and kindness, Musashi is compelled to go and fight them anyway, killing 70 men. Of course, even if had ignored the challenge at that time, it would have been for the wrong reasons. He didn't truly have the wisdom to then, and if he hadn't gone, he wouldn't have the perspective needed to gain that wisdom now. So, to me, his newfound enlightenment feels more like a new beginning.

    And when you come right down to it, I just have an feeling in my gut that the series won't go more than 5-6 more volumes. Of course, I've made similar predictions of Berserk and been outright wrong on many occasions. I've since given up on the futility of predicting an end for it.

    Well, that's not so different from my own view, I think Inoue could "rush it" in that many volumes, but he's said as recently as his New York trip that it was only going to only be 30 volumes or less. Haha, that's not going to happen; unless he makes it shockingly brief for dramatic purposes, the Musashi/Kojiro duel alone could be multiple volumes by itself. Also, though he's had plenty of Musashi/Kojiro buildup at the end of volumes 27 and 28, so far he hasn't capitalized on it as far as bringing it to a head. Again, those scenes make it seems like momentum is moving that way, but then the next episode comes out and it's like more things are just beginning instead.

    I think it's worth noting that all those overarching Musashi/Kojiro moments concluding those volumes were added later. It's almost like Inoue's style, in a week to week format and timeframe, doesn't lend itself to winding things down, but instead compulsively creating more, and he's trying to curtail that in the volumes after the fact.
    If that's the case, I certainly hope he doesn't get himself under control. (http://www.skullknight.net/griffith/mushi.gif)
    Title: Current Episodes Thread
    Post by: TheBranded1 on March 03, 2009, 01:02:12 AM
    So the Ueda snake attack came! Ueda takes Otsu to another part of Musashi's fighting where he's fighting two guys and gets slashed from behind . Also, to his cell where he's sleeping. Seems that he's dreaming about all those guys he killed. Seems that Ueda couldn't get through Otsu this time. Musashi has a talk with a guy in the prison. Last page there's a flashback of Baiken. It seems Musashi still reflecting. Is it ok for the pic to be posted or should I remove it?

    (http://img10.imageshack.us/img10/6408/otsuueda.jpg)
    Title: Current Episodes Thread
    Post by: Griffith on March 03, 2009, 01:15:01 AM
    This episode is fucking awesome. I love the continuation of Otsu's and Ueda's conversation and where it goes, especially the spread of the ronin chasing after Maimedsashi, and the final look he gives her before she wakes up... also, like Branded said, it seemed like she got through to him more than vice versa. Finally, the ending, which is only so cool because I've been wondering about him since he was MIA in volume 25 and I love that Inoue doesn't leave anything like that up in the air.

    The return of Otaguro! One-armed Samurai, out for REVENGE! It's officially the start of VagaReal, handicapped sword fighting. =)

    He even reminded me of Wyald the way he took the sword into his mouth.

    Is it ok for the pic to be posted or should I remove it?

    I would say cut it down to the pertinent panels at the bottom.
    Title: Current Episodes Thread
    Post by: TheBranded1 on March 03, 2009, 03:19:31 AM
    Since Musashi was practicing with the stick, will he go Kojiro style with it to fight  Otaguro?. I am just assuming that he might also use the cane or anything like that. Like when Yagyu Sekishusai used the back scratcher against him when he went to meet up with him in Vol 11.
    Title: Current Episodes Thread
    Post by: Griffith on March 03, 2009, 03:46:12 AM
    Since Musashi was practicing with the stick, will he go Kojiro style with it to fight , Otaguro. I am just assuming that he might also use the cane or anything like that. Like when Yagyu Sekishusai used the back scratcher against him when he went to meet up with him in Vol 11.

    That's a very cool idea, so cool in fact I'll be a little disappointed if it doesn't happen, though I can understand why it might not be feasible at this point. Kojiro is at the height of his powers, and Musashi can barely stand, so despite the respective handicaps on both sides, I still think Musashi is at such a physical disadvantage in his own right that given the choice he'd just use his sword anyway. Musashi's not the type to worry about style points if it isn't a matter of effectiveness; however, that would make it all the more impressive, especially if Musashi realizes that he's at a level relatively where it wouldn't impact his effectiveness either way. Now I'm hoping he's caught with only a stick or cane, or better yet, "no sword." =)
    Title: Current Episodes Thread
    Post by: TheBranded1 on March 03, 2009, 05:23:00 AM
    On the very first page is the corpse of the old lady on 263. I think Ueda also shows her to see the effects of crossing paths with Musashi, as if to say to Otsu to be away from him and have him have no one close to him, so that he suffers while feeling remorse. Maybe knowing that Otsu might be helpful in his rehabilitation. I think Ueda, must have said that Musashi was a monster and couldn't live a normal live, and that's why Otsu had that flashback of him when he was a child and everyone shunned him. Therefore, she turn away from Ueda and return to her body.



    reading the translation earlier today sure helped. I was far off on the conversation between Ueda and Otsu. Musashi's talk with Itakura Katsushige is more like an explanation to Musashi. Ok, you guys read it and we can discuss it in more detail.
    Title: Current Episodes Thread
    Post by: Griffith on March 04, 2009, 08:15:05 PM
    http://www.itplanning.co.jp/vaga.html
    (http://www.itplanning.co.jp/images/vaga/vol.gif)

    (http://www.itplanning.co.jp/images/vaga/265a.gif)

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    Quote from: Google Translate
    2 pm in the name when I looked through the window of the cafe, while a truck parked off the road during the work, see the beautiful sight of people eating lunch bag filled with Tupper, weeping.


    2009.3.4
    Inoue Takehiko

    Looks like either Ueda or Musashi's own beast of spiral is paying him a visit.
    Title: Current Episodes Thread
    Post by: TheBranded1 on March 04, 2009, 08:34:04 PM

    I would have to say it's Ueda, since in 264 page 17, Ueda is in the air after the panel where our one armed warrior has the sword in his mouth. Perhaps, Ueda went to give Musashi a warning or some sparring lessons. I could also see Musashi's own ghoul, because the drawing looks like it has more spikes on the head.
    Title: Current Episodes Thread
    Post by: Griffith on March 05, 2009, 09:15:00 AM
    It was indeed the ghoul, but I was totally stumped on the guy in the top right being Kohei and not Musashi (they look so alike anyway). Another fascinating issue, can't wait to see what they're saying though. I wonder what's being discussed besides Musashi's reflections on his past, such as his future?
    Title: Current Episodes Thread
    Post by: TheBranded1 on March 05, 2009, 04:26:20 PM

    Yes. The resemblence was uncanny, except for the girl and the bandana. Musashi still reflecting on those fights, and probably thinking if he has gained or loss something. Just my assumption, also waiting to be able to read it. Takuan visiting Kouetsu. Takuan looked at the bowl intrigued and asked about it. Kouetsu most have said Kojiro or a deaf mute swordsman. That's when Takuan must have had the flashback when he met young Kojiro playing with the no-dachi. In the last page, it might reveal that Takuan has learned Kojiro has left to continue the sword's path.
    Title: Current Episodes Thread
    Post by: Walter on March 05, 2009, 04:31:06 PM
    Well the last page in particular was of note to me, since I think the final panel is of a swallow. This could allude to Kojiro's famed technique: the swallow cut. We've seen it a few times at this point, once in the battle in vol 20, once when he slashed Kohei's face and again recently when he fought (what's his face...) with the stick.

    Of course, until we get a translation, we won't know the significance of the scene really.

    But what struck me the most about this episode was the serene look of Musashi when he has the nearly-full-page delivery (i believe it's around page 14 or so... but don't have it handy right now). It really reminded me of the man he eventually becomes in Yoshikawa's novel.
    Title: Current Episodes Thread
    Post by: TheBranded1 on March 05, 2009, 04:37:01 PM
    (what's his face...) with the stick.

    Ogawa is the name.

    I think that's a crane of I am not mistaken. I think this is a swallow. But I think it means he's leaving for higher things, or the bird is has finally learned to fly.

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    Title: Current Episodes Thread
    Post by: Walter on March 05, 2009, 04:58:41 PM
    Ah, a thematic image like that that does sound more plausible. But I was hoping it was more ... literal.  :guts:
    Title: Current Episodes Thread
    Post by: TheBranded1 on March 06, 2009, 04:49:59 PM
    I just finished reading a translated 263. I won't spoil it for you guys. But just to say that from what Ueda said at the panel of the last page, they will have many visits. If indeed that is true. We have Ueda for a while.
    Title: Current Episodes Thread
    Post by: Griffith on March 09, 2009, 07:25:03 PM
    I hope for more too, though he's certainly not going follow up on that promise literally. I think he made his point.



    Somewhat obvious though it's not being discussed too much; Musashi is obviously thinking of Kohei so much not only because that's where he was introduced to the "spiral of death and killing" but because he was also introduced to the end of that path, something he's now dealing with himself. Kohei found a certain relief in it, almost like he was liberated, I wonder if Musashi will come to a similar revelation, but with more of a choice than Kohei had. Essentially, will Musashi be able to have it both ways? Liberation from the spiral, but still the swordsman he wants to be, or even more than what he ever imagined.

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    reading the translation earlier today sure helped. I was far off on the conversation between Ueda and Otsu. Musashi's talk with Itakura Katsushige is more like an explanation to Musashi. Ok, you guys read it and we can discuss it in more detail.

    It seems Ueda has regained some of his philosophical edge in the afterlife, his feelings seem genuine enough, and interesting that he wanted Otaguro to stop. Possibly to protect him from being cut down by guards or Musashi, or there could be other implications as Musashi is seemingly ready to consider his days as an active swordsman over, an an encounter like this could rekindle that flame. It was also very interesting hearing Musashi deconstruct invincibility, which, as he pointed out, is something that he, and Inoue, have been doing since volume 13. I'm really liking this arc, and I hope it continues in this vein, it's one of my favorites already.

    As for Otaguro, he has the perfect opening to catch Musashi with him being escorted to and from his quarters. Unless he just bursts into the room, though that would be an impressive breach of security for the one-armed samurai.
    Title: Current Episodes Thread
    Post by: TheBranded1 on March 09, 2009, 08:44:05 PM
    It seems Ueda has regained some of his philosophical edge in the afterlife, his feelings seem genuine enough, and interesting that he wanted Otaguro to stop. Possibly to protect him from being cut down by guards or Musashi, or there could be other implications as Musashi is seemingly ready to consider his days as an active swordsman over, an an encounter like this could rekindle that flame. It was also very interesting hearing Musashi deconstruct invincibility, which, as he pointed out, is something that he, and Inoue, have been doing since volume 13. I'm really liking this arc, and I hope it continues in this vein, it's one of my favorites already.

    As for Otaguro, he has the perfect opening to catch Musashi with him being escorted to and from his quarters. Unless he just bursts into the room, though that would be an impressive breach of security for the one-armed samurai.

    Very interesting indeed. It seems that he's getting to understand the words of Sekishusai. Before the words really made sense, he had to experienced the battle with the Yoshioka. Afterwards, he's absorbing it all. Is he really invincible because he killed all those men? I guess Musashi and Kohei had to go through the opposite way to find what it really meant to be great. On the other hand Ine'i and Sekishusai had someone to instruct them to find that path in time. Like Musashi said in his conversation " if you are trying to be the fastest, then you arrive too early and too far off for it to count". I take as an example of his travels and battles. Always looking for the strongest and trying to defeat them to show he was better than those with a reputation of being great warriors. Otaguro seems like it can be a new beginning for him, not by killing him, but maybe to unsheath his sword and still win. You know like the old saying, "The best battle won, is the one that can be avoided".
    Title: Current Episodes Thread
    Post by: Griffith on March 11, 2009, 11:45:40 AM
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    This was a very seasonal hay fever.
    In my hay fever is not the work of six people in three people suffer from hay fever, is just one of his hay fever this year.
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    2009.3.11
    Inoue Takehiko


    Looks like the return of some good old fashioned drawing with water, and further ruminations on the wisdom of Takuan.
    Title: Current Episodes Thread
    Post by: TheBranded1 on March 11, 2009, 02:15:25 PM


    Nice! Takuan sure is all over the place. I wonder if the conversation will continue about Kojiro or if Takuan will mention Musashi's state at this moment.
    Title: Current Episodes Thread
    Post by: Griffith on March 11, 2009, 09:29:42 PM
    My guess is Musashi is just reflecting on his conversation with Takuan as he draws, though it's quite possible Takuan could visit and take his leave day by day since they're all still around Kyoto. It would be interesting to see Musashi draw in front of him though (it's always seemed a rather a private expression), and of course, to hear Takuan's comments.
    I'm more interested in what Musashi is drawing itself though; like, is it Otsu again, or perhaps the sword?(http://www.skullknight.net/griffith/mushi.gif)
    Title: Current Episodes Thread
    Post by: TheBranded1 on March 11, 2009, 11:02:43 PM
    I'm more interested in what Musashi is drawing itself though; like, is it Otsu again, or perhaps the sword?(http://www.skullknight.net/griffith/mushi.gif)


    It could also be writings about being invincible, Kohei drawings. Otsu is a big possibility too, but I am hoping is not. I am just being kinda biased to be something else, just to make it alittle bit more interesting for me, since I have seen some drawings of her, or unless he's really thinking about what Takuan told him, to have a chief and have a home of his own.
    Title: Current Episodes Thread
    Post by: Griffith on March 12, 2009, 08:16:17 PM
    Yeah, what I'm looking for is if what Ueda said is true and he's totally preoccupied with the sword and his ambition now that it's been denied to him, whereas before he was ironically preoccupied with thoughts of Otsu.
    Title: Current Episodes Thread
    Post by: TheBranded1 on March 12, 2009, 08:28:25 PM



    It has to have a strong hold on Musashi, that's all he has ever known to do. He's getting to a point where he can't do as much as a swordsman at the moment, he has to have some other kind of motivation. I'm thinking that the swords is important, but other aspects of himself are coming out since at the moment he cannot do much in battle. I guess am trying to say is that he's doing something else he might be good at, but didnt have the time because all he was doing was fighting. So it's like Inoue is giving him a break from the fighting and telling us what Musashi is also capable of besides fighting.
    Title: Current Episodes Thread
    Post by: Walter on March 12, 2009, 08:30:23 PM
    Well, I'll take a stab and say I think Takuan is still talking to the deputy shogunate. I don't see anything in the previews that shows it's _definitely_ Musashi depicted here.

    Anyway, the scene with Takuan in the last ep, and this whole scenario reminded me of when, in Yoshikawa's novel, Musashi visited with all the higher ups in the land, who were offering him great positions, and he found out his "low reputation" precluded him from accepting any of them. I have a feeling a similar circumstance will end this arc, and he'll then be off for Edo.
    Title: Current Episodes Thread
    Post by: TheBranded1 on March 12, 2009, 08:39:45 PM


    I just took another look at the first preview page and looked at  the bottom right corner. It looks like Otaguro for me, I am not really sure, but from the sketch seems to have sideburns and those squinting eyes.
    Title: Current Episodes Thread
    Post by: Walter on March 12, 2009, 08:50:52 PM
    I just took another look at the first preview page and looked at  the bottom right corner. It looks like Otaguro for me, I am not really sure, but from the sketch seems to have sideburns and those squinting eyes.
    No way. It's definitely Takuan.
    Title: Current Episodes Thread
    Post by: Griffith on March 12, 2009, 09:12:23 PM
    Well, I'll take a stab and say I think Takuan is still talking to the deputy shogunate. I don't see anything in the previews that shows it's _definitely_ Musashi depicted here.

    Ooh, very good call.

    Anyway, the scene with Takuan in the last ep, and this whole scenario reminded me of when, in Yoshikawa's novel, Musashi visited with all the higher ups in the land, who were offering him great positions, and he found out his "low reputation" precluded him from accepting any of them. I have a feeling a similar circumstance will end this arc, and he'll then be off for Edo.

    Yeah, that would be convenient, except the job Takuan is offering is already in Edo, so it wouldn't preclude anything like that. Also, in the book I remember it was an even bigger deal, like he was going to be head instructor/adviser to the Shogun, basically running the country, except all the unfair lies about him made it politically untenable, and of course, Musashi didn't want the job anyway and was relieved to have his freedom, whereas the Shogun's official felt deeply regretful about losing him. I always thought it was a rather transparent attempt by Yoshikawa to prop up Musashi's spotty service legacy, "Oh, the top guys REALLY wanted him, but he was just too great for the job!" Yeah. =)

    Since Inoue doesn't have the same motives, I don't know that it'll get to that level, so perhaps this Musashi will flirt with a lower level position. Here's a random thought, but that scenario could be an interesting time to have him fight Gonnosuke in a friendly sparring/demonstration match and maybe come up short due to his injury.
    Title: Current Episodes Thread
    Post by: TheBranded1 on March 13, 2009, 03:49:57 PM



    Thanks translation! So, Musashi came to somewhat of a conclusion about his life of the sword. Indeed Takua and Kouetsu talk was good and it does seem the bird at the end is symbolic. :guts:
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    Title: Current Episodes Thread
    Post by: m on March 14, 2009, 12:45:44 PM

    Can I ask where you guys get episodes and translations so quickly?
    Title: Current Episodes Thread
    Post by: TheBranded1 on March 16, 2009, 08:15:50 PM

    So the talk between Kouetsu and Takuan continues, it seems they are still talking about both Kojiro and Musashi. Musashi is chopping wood, for some practice I assume. Matahachi makes a brief return with her mother. It's funny they show both Kojiro and Musashi holding a stick. Nice episode  :guts:

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    Title: Current Episodes Thread
    Post by: Griffith on March 17, 2009, 06:20:36 AM
    Another good one. I like the continued paralleling of Musashi and Kojiro of course, and Musashi's wood chopping (has he joined the Heihachi's woodcut school? =), though I really want to know what happened with Otaguro.
    Title: Current Episodes Thread
    Post by: TheBranded1 on March 17, 2009, 01:40:30 PM



    Otaguro? I would say the Chief when he asked Musashi and if he knew the name on the last episode, he went himself to look into this matter. I would say he will fight his way through to next time he has another visit. Since Musashi was out chopping wood, and he could have had his chance there  .He must have been scorted out by the guards he met .
    Title: Current Episodes Thread
    Post by: Griffith on March 17, 2009, 06:15:19 PM
    Well, he already had his sword drawn and everything, and looked quite mad, he basically reminded me of Toji at the end. So, it looked to me like he was going to fight his way through right then. Even with one arm, I wouldn't underestimate his ability, so is he still causing a ruckus, or was he stopped, arrested, ejected, or killed. I mean, Musashi's already back in his cell now, but I'm assuming we'll see some sort of continuation or resolution to this before the volume ends. Perhaps if he doesn't burst on to the scene, the lord will bring up with Musashi in their next chat.



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    This is why each week cornered quite a struggle to the sources, and 〆 Are Off to a last-minute balancing act, it is also tired.
    Someday, this tingling feeling that will come but when the cornerstone.
    Rather touching and thought, may even think it makes me want to go there regardless.
    This irritated a soggy day at the moment even if we accept the whole, even in bad taste will not do.
    Series now settled at least two more times.


    2009.3.18
    Inoue Takehiko

    Wow, ahead of Inoue on the Web even.

    Takuan and Koetsu's conversation continues, there's a flashback/dream about Musashi and Matahatchi, some brief wood cutting, and more conversation with the lord (who's quite the carver himself). The conversation becomes serious and very heavy for Musashi, who looks uncomfortable throughout, probably because they're discussing his future, forcing him to consider it, along with Takuan's words and Otsu. Anyway, looks very compelling, especially the look Musashi's getting at the end.
    Title: Current Episodes Thread
    Post by: TheBranded1 on March 17, 2009, 07:08:25 PM


    I wonder if Katsushige will still ask Musashi if he's going to give up the sword, or just chat abit more. I also expecting to see his carving design. I hope this flashback gives some advice to Matahachi.


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    Title: Current Episodes Thread
    Post by: Walter on March 17, 2009, 07:09:48 PM
    Given the serious crossroad Inoue has set up for Musashi in recent episoes, and given the direction Yoshikawa took him following the Yoshioka battle, I'll postulate that Musashi will choose to deny any offers from Mr. Big Shot here, and instead become Farmer Mushi, beginning one of the coolest parts of the novel.

    Here's hoping anyway  :slan:
    Title: Current Episodes Thread
    Post by: TheBranded1 on March 18, 2009, 05:04:12 PM
    Nice episode, alot of talking. So much talking that the ghoul was yawning, which I thought was funny.



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     I thought the bowl was Kojiro's and that's why Kouetsu had it. Now I know it's cracked because the fire was too strong. Eventhough, it is not the desired final product he still likes it and finds it beautiful. I guess if that letter is for Musashi to find a job at the Tokugawa, you know like a reference letter for Mushi. That dream sequence kinda startled Musashi somehow. Maybe he's thinking if it's true what Matahachi said. About him achieving something great, while just shouting "hya" in battles. Now, Itakura has admiration for Mushi and tells him to write what he has come to learn in the 22 years of struggle he has endured. Funny Mushi answering he might be terrible at it.

    All in all, a very good episode and little hints of what's to come.


    Title: Current Episodes Thread
    Post by: TheBranded1 on March 21, 2009, 04:19:19 PM


    Nice conversation between Kouetsu and Tokuan about the swords invention and thoughts about its purpose.I liked it very much. I dont know how accurate the translation is, but at least it gives me more info that I had before. Matahachi still making some lies, but he seems genuine to return to Miyamoto Village. Takuan mentioning that Musashi will also go to Kokura. :guts:
    Title: Current Episodes Thread
    Post by: Griffith on March 23, 2009, 10:15:10 AM
    It was a nice conversation, and boy does it seem that Inoue might be drawing them closer together sooner than we thought. I hope Walter is right and Musashi derails it before it gets to the point where they'll basically have to have the duel. I can't wait to read the Viz edition of that conversation too, for I find some of the online translations to be difficult at times, especially in complex passages such as this.



    It's interesting, Inoue has opened a real can of worms with all these different possible paths, I'm not sure what's going to happen next, other than Musashi eventually going to Edo. Still, there's so much going on for such close, personal, and introspective episodes.
    Title: Current Episodes Thread
    Post by: Bunnet on March 25, 2009, 03:08:28 AM
    How is it possible that Musashi never knew of the existence of Edo until mention to him. I would have guess he would had encounter a swordsman from that region or eat something made there
    Title: Current Episodes Thread
    Post by: Walter on March 25, 2009, 03:26:44 AM
    How is it possible that Musashi never knew of the existence of Edo until mention to him. I would have guess he would had encounter a swordsman from that region or eat something made there
    Uhh, what? What exactly gave you the impression he didn't know about Edo? He's taken aback by the proposal that he go there and teach, but that's it.
    Title: Current Episodes Thread
    Post by: Bunnet on March 25, 2009, 04:25:47 AM
    Uhh, what? What exactly gave you the impression he didn't know about Edo? He's taken aback by the proposal that he go there and teach, but that's it.
    Just the way he express himself and his face emotions
    Title: Current Episodes Thread
    Post by: TheBranded1 on March 25, 2009, 10:26:12 PM
    Just the way he express himself and his face emotions

    Can you pinpoint those expressions and emtions. The ones I have seen lately have been of contemplation and deep thought.
    Title: Current Episodes Thread
    Post by: Griffith on March 26, 2009, 08:19:12 AM
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    "A game worthy of the finals," or that it is often said, it is surprising and a final凡戦. But baseball was amazing WBC. Rare game so well suited to the finals. I started off watching the last name, I just can not look away at all.

    South Korea's amazing tenacity. Extend the power to bring games to lose the game looks completely admirable.

    And the story of Japan's great. Thanks. The beauty of baseball is, of course, and until they feel the beauty of human beings.
    "TEAM", "UNITY", who feel that by such a stance. Delighted that it showed me that our team in Japan. I think it was appropriate for the winning team. Congratulations!

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    2009.3.25
    Inoue Takehiko



    How is it possible that Musashi never knew of the existence of Edo until mention to him. I would have guess he would had encounter a swordsman from that region or eat something made there

    Musashi's expression is an indication of his shock dealing with the idea that he retire from the way of the sword to settle down with a job and a family, not the location. He also seems a bit surprised that such a path is open to him as well.
    Title: Current Episodes Thread
    Post by: TheBranded1 on March 26, 2009, 04:09:47 PM


    time to put my sketch guessing to work. Looks like Otsu is back and is in some sort of predicament or some minor incident that she makes it look worse than what it is. That's all I can tell for now.
    Title: Current Episodes Thread
    Post by: Bunnet on March 26, 2009, 11:26:43 PM
    Musashi's expression is an indication of his shock dealing with the idea that he retire from the way of the sword to settle down with a job and a family, not the location. He also seems a bit surprised that such a path is open to him as well.
    most likely you guys are right and just ridding between the lines and trying too hard
    Title: Current Episodes Thread
    Post by: Griffith on March 27, 2009, 08:44:31 AM
    Sounds like some pretty good guesswork to me. I wonder if she's trying to see Musashi again.

    Anyway, it's interesting to see Inoue talking Baseball for a change. I saw the end of the WBC Final between Japan and South Korea too and it was a good game, at least for Japan and Ichiro, who was fantastic. I can't believe they pitched to him and let him beat them with first base open in that spot.

    Also, kudos to Google Translate, that was relatively comprehensible. Makes me think that the usual stuff Inoue says is what actually sounds weird, not the translations. =)
    Title: Current Episodes Thread
    Post by: Walter on March 27, 2009, 06:00:48 PM
    Looks like Otsu is back and is in some sort of predicament or some minor incident that she makes it look worse than what it is. That's all I can tell for now.
    :ganishka: I love how that that's your snap judgment of poor Otsu. She just wants a quiet life with Mushi   :sad:

    Anyway, yeah, I'm fairly sure it's Otsu, but that's all I can really tell at this point.
    Title: Current Episodes Thread
    Post by: Griffith on March 30, 2009, 06:05:16 PM
    Musashi and Otsu... naked embrace!? :isidro:
    Title: Current Episodes Thread
    Post by: TheBranded1 on March 30, 2009, 06:27:50 PM


    I guess Mushi does have quite some free time to have some fantasy time. I also noticed that Ueda was not drawn as graphic as before, he looks more clean and lesss scarred. Mushi also, seems to be swinging that pole for practice.
    Title: Current Episodes Thread
    Post by: Griffith on March 30, 2009, 06:52:19 PM
    I think the swinging of his walking stick is more symbolic than anything. It also looks like the first he's heard of Otaguro, which obviously had a profound effect on him.
    Title: Current Episodes Thread
    Post by: TheBranded1 on April 01, 2009, 07:39:23 PM


    Quote from: 宮本 武蔵 on March 30, 2009, 01:52:19 PM
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       It also looks like the first he's heard of Otaguro, which obviously had a profound effect on him.



    I would guess the guard told him in more detail about Otaguro's intentions for his visit. Just speculating, that Otaguro said  he wanted Mushi's head or some kind of punishment by his hand. It seems that around page 17, Musashi is imagining or reflecting what would have been if Otsu had been with him. When he had his battles and had Otsu witness the bloodshed.

    Since I still haven't caught up to the point where Ueda and Mushi fight, and this is my first time really seeing the scar on Musashi's calf. I just got a chill to see the cut even if it's just a picture, but I cut my forearm with a glass and it went into the muscle. So even that little took like 4 months to completely heal, and feel no pain when I touch it or nicked it against something

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    After reading the translation, I was a bit right on what the guard told Musashi about Otaguro . Hey, even Otsu mentioned Ueda looking better and being nicer. So Katsushige knew Yoshioka Kenpo and the two sons killed by Musashi. Quite the revelation there for me and I Musashi as well. I wonder what is the place Musashi is talking about to go back to? Miyamoto Village perhaps? The "strength " talk was good too. Comparing if you needed to only be strong to defeat opponents or just in general to avoid fighting. So, now Mushihas been invited to the dojo, well he didn't say yes, but I think he will.
    Title: Current Episodes Thread
    Post by: Griffith on April 02, 2009, 07:52:21 PM
    It's sad to me now that Musashi still feels like he can't be with Otsu.



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    Now, by the way, this has been one or two vegetarian meals and during the year.
    The house was almost like a vegetarian. Eating brown rice and vegetables and side dishes of beans, meat, fish do not eat. (Thank you eat whitebait)
    The outside is not exactly there, and then eating a little meat or fish. Chunk of meat, but I still do not have much desire to eat. Eating noodles using bone char siu pork in the soup is even feeling that GOMEN. Completely different taste.
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    Inoue Takehiko
    Title: Current Episodes Thread
    Post by: TheBranded1 on April 02, 2009, 08:07:12 PM


    At least we know Inoue is eating good. :guts:

    Oh well, no draft this time around. Will Mushi go to the dojo? I say yes if the story continues on that last scene. I think this is going to be one of the first times I see Musashi as an expectator of a practice, instead of fighting. Maybe he might gain something from this point of view.
    Title: Current Episodes Thread
    Post by: Griffith on April 02, 2009, 08:18:53 PM
    So Katsushige knew Yoshioka Kenpo and the two sons killed by Musashi. Quite the revelation there for me and I Musashi as well.

    Yeah, I thought it was very interesting that he was basically Kempo's Matahatchi. And all the talk of a place to go back to is even more intriguing, whether he means home, his friends, or maybe even back to the sword now. It's become reminiscent of Guts' realizations that he already had what he'd wanted in his hands, but only after he'd lost them.



    At least we know Inoue is eating good. :guts:

    Sounds like he could do a story about food next, greatest chef under the sun. =)

    Oh well, no draft this time around. Will Mushi go to the dojo? I say yes if the story continues on that last scene. I think this is going to be one of the first times I see Musashi as an expectator of a practice, instead of fighting. Maybe he might gain something from this point of view.

    I'd like to see him go, though I can't imagine him only teaching, I want to see him get involved, either find out he's not ready, or that he can still kick butt despite his handicap.
    Title: Current Episodes Thread
    Post by: TheBranded1 on April 06, 2009, 03:28:20 PM




    I'd like to see him go, though I can't imagine him only teaching, I want to see him get involved, either find out he's not ready, or that he can still kick butt despite his handicap.

    Well, he did go. Although, he did get tired or the pain got to him. He did get an ovation, I wonder if it was for putting the effort or just by going there. He did kick some butt after leaving the dojo. Still thinking about his past opponents and being invincible, that's my guess. Ueda making Otsu cry once again.

    -----------------------------------------

    So, at the dojo he listens to the men's ramblings about how their wives complain about going to the dojo. Still they see his strength and want him to show the true value of the which he still hasn't acquired at this moment, but still have the chance since he's still alive. So, Ueda doesn't want Musashi to die in an uninteresting way and now is asking Otsu to go to him to show him the way. I liked the part when he thanked the scorts and then, whack! I guess Musashi is feeling the need to fight once again, but he is not healed completely yet. To me it looks he just wanted to have some training with those guys, in his condition I doubt he could get away far from there.
    Title: Current Episodes Thread
    Post by: Griffith on April 06, 2009, 04:14:13 PM
    I think they were saying that his ability and putting his life on the line already shows the value of the sword, which they can't although they are no less dedicated to the art, which echoed a lot of what was being said by even the Yoshioka, particularly Yoichi. These men's own wives don't value or even respect their dedication to the sword, even seeing it as an impediment to their individual social progress, just as the sword is now being seen as a impediment to social progress overall.

    Ueda certainly makes for an unlikely adviser/matchmaker to Otsu concerning Musashi. I love the way his face keeps changing depending on whether he's acting the enlightened spirit or a bitter ghoul.

    Finally, happy to see Musashi free once again, set on returning to his travels for better or worse, come what may. I don't know how far he'll get, if he'll truly break out or if this is just a last hurrah or joy ride before going to Edo. I'm hoping for the former, I want to see Musashi "return to that place", and the look on everyone's face as the news spreads, "Musashi has escaped!" "He's out there..." "What will he do now?"

    Farm.(http://www.skullknight.net/griffith/mushi.gif)
    Title: Current Episodes Thread
    Post by: Walter on April 15, 2009, 07:59:48 PM
    Inoue's on a Vagabreak? :judo:

    Great chapter. I was truly surprised to see Inoue taking Musashi in a new direction so suddenly. I expected to see this jail thing out all the way to its logical conclusion in front of a judge or something.  But now he's taken his own path again, hobbling along on a cane. Wonder how this will play out ... there's sure to be hungry wolves out there eager to earn their names on a wounded , renowned master.

    The story could move in a number of directions from here, but I foresee him settling down, ala Farmer Musashi. And yes, I'm aware I've been saying this for months now.  :void:
    Title: Current Episodes Thread
    Post by: TheBranded1 on April 15, 2009, 08:21:51 PM



    I dont know what Mushi will farm, but at least it will give some competition to Ine'i's pickles :serpico:
    Title: Current Episodes Thread
    Post by: Walter on April 15, 2009, 09:07:08 PM


    I dont know what Mushi will farm, but at least it will give some competition to Ine'i's pickles :serpico:
    It's not so much WHAT he will farm, but that whole section in the novel, and especially what comes afterward is just great stuff.
    Title: Current Episodes Thread
    Post by: Griffith on May 22, 2009, 08:35:36 AM
    It's not so much WHAT he will farm, but that whole section in the novel, and especially what comes afterward is just great stuff.

    Indeed, if Inoue doesn't cover it, it's going to be a great opportunity lost. It's really critical to Musashi's character development too, and a lot of the greatness of the series is the promise of that development to come.
    Title: Current Episodes Thread
    Post by: Uriel on May 27, 2009, 11:41:26 AM
    "Preview" for Vagabond 270
    (http://img9.imageshack.us/img9/5059/volk.gif)

    (http://img39.imageshack.us/img39/5746/270a.gif)

    (http://img29.imageshack.us/img29/2361/270b.gif)

    And the Google translations:

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    This fall, four to a page that is just the opposite page. Page ARUSHI the manuscript is written, is in charge should have read the names of the parts, or解RAN mistakes happen here? Not understood. But even with staggered past anger。 Readers as the author I would have the responsibility to explain. Minutes of the metropolitan area and it was printed間NI合I repair, and a page number of the four have not been to the It's too bad dress. It was really sorry.


    Again, I don't think that's too accurate.

    I'll give my rough translation: He says that this time, page one and page four ended up becoming reverse. It gets a little fuzzy for me after this. 'Then, since the number of pages in this manuscript are written down, and, being in charge of that section of the storyboard, the contents should also be readable... so why did this kind of mistake happen? I don't understand. '. Probably less clear than the Google, but I'm doing my best with the tools I have. I think he says he's gone past anger now and is just bewildered by the whole thing......

    'Anyway, as an author, I believe I'd provide an explanation for the readers.' Then, I think. 'I had intended to have the metropolitan segment reprinted in time, but since it is such a large area, page one and page four still ended up being reversed.... it is so uncool ;;. I'm very sorry!"

    If anyone wants to give me tips on parts that I fudged up, please let me know. Still climbing this mountain with a bad foot...


    Wow, what can I say? I think this image (http://img139.imageshack.us/img139/6061/youdonefuckedup.jpg) summarises it. Click for spoilers!

    This chapter be called "一輪の章" Ichi Rin no Shō -- some seriously cool stuff happens here. Else where, the colour pages are fantastic, as usual, and we're given nice insight into how Musashi is thinking right now. I'm really hoping that it's Farmer Musashi time now -- he's in one of those introspective moods right now. What better supplement than growing some radishes, eh?
    Title: Current Episodes Thread
    Post by: Walter on May 27, 2009, 02:19:09 PM
    Awesome, it's good to have Vagabond back. Now let's get on with Farmer Musashi  :daiba:
    Title: Current Episodes Thread
    Post by: TheBranded1 on May 27, 2009, 02:43:57 PM


    I feel pretty spoiled at the moment. First Berserk episodes and now some Vagabond, then again more berserk in june. :guts:
    Title: Current Episodes Thread
    Post by: Griffith on May 28, 2009, 08:47:08 AM

    Again, I don't think that's too accurate.

    I'll give my rough translation: He says that this time, page one and page four ended up becoming reverse. It gets a little fuzzy for me after this. 'Then, since the number of pages in this manuscript are written down, and, being in charge of that section of the storyboard, the contents should also be readable... so why did this kind of mistake happen? I don't understand. '. Probably less clear than the Google, but I'm doing my best with the tools I have. I think he says he's gone past anger now and is just bewildered by the whole thing......

    No, that's much better than the Google interpretation. I'm still confused about it though, I assume he means the pages were switched, not flipped as in the images reversed? Anyway, I don't know if it's stranger that something like that would happen, or that it doesn't happen more often.

    'Anyway, as an author, I believe I'd provide an explanation for the readers.' Then, I think. 'I had intended to have the metropolitan segment reprinted in time, but since it is such a large area, page one and page four still ended up being reversed.... it is so uncool ;;. I'm very sorry!"

    Haha, poor Inoue. He's worrying about this still when he has the next deadline to meet!

    Wow, what can I say? I think this image (http://img139.imageshack.us/img139/6061/youdonefuckedup.jpg) summarises it. Click for spoilers!

    Ooooh yeah, and I like the two page spread that follows even better. They shouldn't have entered the circle.

    It's interesting that the only "new look" for Musashi is to keep his hair down all the time now. I wonder how long it'll stay that way? Maybe when his leg is healed it'll go back up?

    That sounds like a Gutsfield joke. =)

    This chapter be called "一輪の章" Ichi Rin no Shō -- some seriously cool stuff happens here. Else where, the colour pages are fantastic, as usual, and we're given nice insight into how Musashi is thinking right now. I'm really hoping that it's Farmer Musashi time now -- he's in one of those introspective moods right now. What better supplement than growing some radishes, eh?
    Awesome, it's good to have Vagabond back. Now let's get on with Farmer Musashi  :daiba:

    We can only hope, though I saw something else interesting in a translation; if it's correct, on page 8 it says he's traveling in Yagyu territory. Perhaps he wants to see the old man for some invincible advice?

    I feel pretty spoiled at the moment. First Berserk episodes and now some Vagabond, then again more berserk in june. :guts:

    Yeah, and alternating weekly, no less. Though I'd rather Miura and Inoue coordinated so that Inoue would do his runs of Vagabond during Miura's breaks. =)
    Title: Current Episodes Thread
    Post by: TheBranded1 on May 28, 2009, 07:52:19 PM
    So we enter the episode in a dream Musashi is having. Quite interesting, for me it seems is from a perspective from people he has met and have made him him what he is now. Llike you said Griff they entered the circle and did not listen to Mushi's warning. On a funny note about the circle. It reminded me about the parasite eve attack system and Vagrant story as well. We see whimpy Matahachi for a bit too :ganishka:
    I really liked this image and the cover was nice too :guts: The Kodansha "Morning" magazine cover is nice as well. Is Mushi going to eat that ladybug?  :carcus:


    (http://img505.imageshack.us/img505/9136/onetwox.jpg)
    (http://img241.imageshack.us/img241/3290/122o.jpg)
    Title: Current Episodes Thread
    Post by: Walter on May 28, 2009, 09:20:10 PM
    He's discovering the Way of the Insect.
    Title: Current Episodes Thread
    Post by: Griffith on May 28, 2009, 09:25:18 PM
    So we enter the episode in a dream Musashi is having. Quite interesting, for me it seems is from a perspective from people he has met and have made him him what he is now.

    My interpretation was that they were all a bunch of little Musashi's going to work on his wound; under construction. Hopefully this won't be the closest thing we see to him working the land.

    Llike you said Griff they entered the circle and did not listen to Mushi's warning. On a funny note about the circle. It reminded me about the parasite eve attack system and Vagrant story as well.

    It also reminded me of when he cut down Gion Toji drawing the line in the sand, and of course legends of Musashi being unapproachable within a certain range around his body, or invincible from 8 sides, etc. I also thought it was interesting how he put off by the fact that they drew on him, not so much despite it being a warning, but simply because he asked them not to anyway, almost a matter of violating courtesy as well.

    We see whimpy Matahachi for a bit too :ganishka:

    Well, at least he's on the right path, let's hope he can stay strong enough to keep it that way. I like him much better crying at his mother's sickbed than out acting a fool.

    I really liked this image and the cover was nice too :guts:

    http://img505.imageshack.us/img505/9136/onetwox.jpg
    http://img241.imageshack.us/img241/3290/122o.jpg

    Yeah, the sleeping image is cool, though not my cup of tea. I really love that cover image though!

    He's discovering the Way of the Insect.

    He's getting more and more refined; first Mr. Wolf, then Mr. Poo Bird, then Mr. Butterfly, and now Mrs. Lady Bug. Soon he's going to be one with the ants. =)
    Title: Current Episodes Thread
    Post by: Walter on May 30, 2009, 05:08:21 PM
    So we enter the episode in a dream Musashi is having. Quite interesting, for me it seems is from a perspective from people he has met and have made him him what he is now
    I thought about it for a bit and ... because of the two shots focusing on the leg during and after this scene, I think his dream is a kind of anthropomorphization of the healing process of his leg. If it were an infection, this would be his white blood cells chatting to each other, talking about how they need to continue to work so they can all achieve the miracle.

    Pretty uh... trippy concept from Inoue, if that is indeed what he was going for. I like it!  :SK:
    Title: Current Episodes Thread
    Post by: Griffith on May 31, 2009, 08:48:08 PM
    I thought about it for a bit and ... because of the two shots focusing on the leg during and after this scene, I think his dream is a kind of anthropomorphization of the healing process of his leg. If it were an infection, this would be his white blood cells chatting to each other, talking about how they need to continue to work so they can all achieve the miracle.

    Pretty uh... trippy concept from Inoue, if that is indeed what he was going for. I like it!  :SK:

    Indeed, Inoue's been doing a lot of the strange high concept stuff like the geezers lately. Musashi and even Takuan's dark sides and Mr. Sloggo, Ueda's ghost interacting with Otsu, and even an out of body experience with her soul akin to what we see in Berserk, and now this. This even kind of reminds me of the little elementals seen in Berserk, probably done intentionally by Inoue in retaliation for Miura using his flashback technique, which was Miura's response to Inoue copping his astral bodies... clearly they have a deep running secret rivalry and are needling each other in their work, just like Steely Dan and the Eagles! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yb_XEwgfmDk&fmt=18) =)

    (http://www.skullknight.net/griffith/MiuraInoue.jpg)
    Best friends turned bitter rivals! :miura:
    Title: Current Episodes Thread
    Post by: Uriel on June 03, 2009, 06:15:57 PM
    "Preview" for Vagabond 271
    (http://img512.imageshack.us/img512/6008/volr.gif)

    (http://img269.imageshack.us/img269/2371/271a.gif)

    (http://img145.imageshack.us/img145/2411/271b.gif)

    And the Google translations:

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    Name when I was in a cafe, I have an Ace store can do that here, I'm familiar with too much reliance should be careful so as to lose the benefits of ACE. CHINAMI Now that is the case in the absence ace ‥.


    Again, I don't think that's too accurate.

    Basically, he wrote it in a cafe that he thinks is ace. Can't be bothered to touch what's after that.



    Just finished reading it. Excellent stuff.
    Title: Current Episodes Thread
    Post by: TheBranded1 on June 03, 2009, 06:45:51 PM


    Pretty nice. When I saw the first page I was like "King Kong Musashi" :ganishka:

    So the "don't enter my circle, or you'll get an asswhoop " 2nd round was present. UEDA!! good to see him have a chat with Mushi. From the pics I might say Matahachi's mom has passed away or is heading that way. Good to see at the end that Inoue explains which panels were switched in 270.
    Title: Current Episodes Thread
    Post by: Griffith on June 03, 2009, 07:49:12 PM
    You don't want to violate Musashi's personal space! I'm interested to see what Musashi had to say to these gents (probably more of the same), he certainly seems like he's in a different place, and even his encounter with Ueda was totally one sided as he didn't seem to see or acknowledge his vengeful haunter. Too preoccupied searching for Yagyu Sekishusai.
    Title: Current Episodes Thread
    Post by: TheBranded1 on June 04, 2009, 10:28:48 PM
    You don't want to violate Musashi's personal space! I'm interested to see what Musashi had to say to these gents (probably more of the same)

    So I read the "unofficial translation", Musashi pretty much says the same thing as in 270.

    he certainly seems like he's in a different place, and even his encounter with Ueda was totally one sided as he didn't seem to see or acknowledge his vengeful haunter. Too preoccupied searching for Yagyu Sekishusai.
      Yeah, he  just ignored whatever taunt Ueda gave him and kept going.

     The priest asks Matahachi about his past, since his mother with the fever has been spilling the beans. He even thinks of running away for a moment( :azan: ), leaving his mother behind. Good thing, he stays and awaits to see what will happen to his mother.

    If you guys have read it, what are your thoughts?
    Title: Current Episodes Thread
    Post by: Griffith on June 05, 2009, 08:00:43 AM
    So I read the "unofficial translation", Musashi pretty much says the same thing as in 270.

    Yeah, a little more rehearsed now, less reactionary, and I thought the way he clearly defined his parameters and rationale was fascinating, as did his opponent this time it seems (didn't make the guy any wiser though =).

    Yeah, he  just ignored whatever taunt Ueda gave him and kept going.

    It seems Ueda wasn't really addressing him directly, but literally acting as an analyst to Musashi's life. I absolutely love what Inoue has done with Ueda here, making him the barometer of Musashi's conscience in a sense. Ueda takes on his deformed bloodthirsty visage as he malevolently questions Musashi's intentions, only to return to normal as Musashi passes him, and his test, washing away Ueda's ugliness in the process. Looks like when Musashi finds inner peace, so will Ueda.

    The priest asks Matahachi about his past, since his mother with the fever has been spilling the beans. He even thinks of running away for a moment( :azan: ), leaving his mother behind. Good thing, he stays and awaits to see what will happen to his mother.

    If you guys have read it, what are your thoughts?

    I thought it was very touching and also interesting, especially how she knew all along that Matahatchi was lying but she humored him anyway because she can't help it, she loves him so much. It's a stark contrast with the of the rest of her rather harsh character, and a great example of their love and relationship, including her culpability in obviously spoiling Matahatchi like this his whole life. It's poignant not only for the love they share, but the failures as well.
    Title: Current Episodes Thread
    Post by: Walter on June 09, 2009, 04:18:02 PM
    Ueda is getting on my nerves. His taunting of Musashi, about whether he'll go down the dark or light path, just came across as naive to me and the readers. We already know what path he's on, and idle ghost speculation isn't enough foreshadowing to be effective. Consider this ... my first formal Inoue critique.  :beast:

    I'm glad Matahachi fought the urge to run away, like he's done his whole life, and stick around. Maybe at the end of this, he'll come away a better man. I think this could also be the turning point for him, when he truly joins the monastery to become a monk. Of course, knowing him, probably not =).

    Title: Current Episodes Thread
    Post by: Griffith on June 09, 2009, 07:13:37 PM
    Ueda is getting on my nerves. His taunting of Musashi, about whether he'll go down the dark or light path, just came across as naive to me and the readers. We already know what path he's on, and idle ghost speculation isn't enough foreshadowing to be effective. Consider this ... my first formal Inoue critique.  :beast:

    I couldn't disagree more, for one, this isn't your first critique (remember volume 7? =), and secondly, I think you've dismissed this without giving it the benefit of the doubt.

    Ueda wasn't just taunting Musashi, or at all since Musashi didn't seem to see or hear him, and he's actually been very genuine since his reappearance, proving more objective as he hangs around. More than we are anyway; obviously, he doesn't see Musashi as we the reader does, but that's the point. He gives us a perspective into Musashi's struggle as a swordsman that even Takuan can't because he can relate to Musashi as a swordsman that went down in the spiral himself, observe Musashi first hand even when he's journeying alone, and sense the depth of his feelings like others can't.

    Also, he similarly represents Musashi's detractors, who aren't necessarily wrong about him at this point. What people think of Musashi was an important theme in the original book, and one that also runs through Vagabond, emerging even more lately. I also don't think we really know where Musashi is at ourselves, it's been a cycle of epiphanies and setbacks, and he's disappointed and regressed before. If Musashi can convince and win over even Ueda, he'll have gone a long way towards achieving enlightenment. So, I appreciate Ueda keeping an eye on him and hearing what he thinks. In any case, I wouldn't poo poo it just yet.

    I'm glad Matahachi fought the urge to run away, like he's done his whole life, and stick around. Maybe at the end of this, he'll come away a better man. I think this could also be the turning point for him, when he truly joins the monastery to become a monk. Of course, knowing him, probably not =).

    Hmmm, I hadn't thought of him joining the monks, this is actually where the water is most murky for me. It's hard for me to imagine Matahatchi not bumbling on his next adventure, just as it's hard to imagine Musashi staying put. I really hope he sticks around though and maybe he and his mother can both make progress. I think it would be a feat if he could convince his mother that his problems are his own fault, if he's in fact accepted that for himself.
    Title: Current Episodes Thread
    Post by: Walter on June 10, 2009, 02:49:33 AM
    I will admit some personal bias against Ueda having tainted my rationale here. But that's all part of the experience of being a reader. I'm susceptible to feeling negative toward a particular character, just as you are toward Matahachi.

    I understand that Ueda is representing the perspective of those caught in the wake of Musashi's spiral. And Ueda is special of course, because he did not fade away like the others, but had the strong will to cling on just to haunt/investigate Musashi. I also understand the literary benefits of having an alternate, critical perspective of our protagonist. However, when you cut down to the chase, I can't see how his ultimate revelation on Musashi's nature will be unique for the readers. I fail to see the payoff, and I admit it is premature.

    But as I began the post by saying, I will question every step of Ueda's development because I simply don't like that a defeated loser is peering over Musashi's shoulder criticizing his every move. It's genuinely unsettling to me -- especially for someone who's fallen from grace as much as Ueda has. I find his air of superiority nauseating given his current circumstance. When Ueda finally realizes for himself that Musashi is on the right path and gives up his futile haunt, maybe then I'll have enough respect for him to applaud this effort.  But for now, all I can do is frown in distaste on these scenes.
    Title: Current Episodes Thread
    Post by: Griffith on June 10, 2009, 08:08:58 AM
    Out before the preview sketches, new Berserk and Vagabond in the same day, nice. (http://www.skullknight.net/griffith/mushi.gif)

    A full Matahatchi episode. Despite a bout of being her feisty old self, granny's not doing so good, after some interaction with doctors and the monk, Matahatchi takes her somewhere, literally carrying her on his back, presumably back to Miyamoto village, or somewhere she can get help (the Yagyu? Edo? =). On the way he starts to reflect on his journey and becomes understandably upset by the end, but his mother's presence centers him. All in all, a sweet episode, especially for Matay (did I just refer to him by endearing shorthand? =), particularly the last couple of pages.



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    Quote from: Inoue
    MANNERI化the repertoire of catering and box lunches may be wrong with the home office of all cartoons
    Unknown.


    2009.6.10
    Inoue Takehiko
    Title: Current Episodes Thread
    Post by: TheBranded1 on June 10, 2009, 03:05:58 PM
    Out before the preview sketches, new Berserk and Vagabond in the same day, nice. (http://www.skullknight.net/griffith/mushi.gif)
    Two in the same day, it sure it's very pleasing. :guts:


    A full Matahatchi episode. Despite a bout of being her feisty old self, granny's not doing so good, after some interaction with doctors and the monk, Matahatchi takes her somewhere, literally carrying her on his back, presumably back to Miyamoto village, or somewhere she can get help (the Yagyu? Edo? =). On the way he starts to reflect on his journey and becomes understandably upset by the end, but his mother's presence centers him. All in all, a sweet episode, especially for Matay (did I just refer to him by endearing shorthand? =), particularly the last couple of pages.

    Yeah, quite the attack she put on that doctor(presumably after talking bad about about her or Matahachi). Good contemplation from Matahachi, I would say he's thinking about what has he really done since Sekigahara and parting from Musashi. What did he accomplished? He just lived off Oko,pretended to be Kojiro and in the process got uncle Gon killed by running away. Oh Matahachi....I hope this and the love of his mother get you back in the right path. I am only speculating he might do some of his lying to get his mother some help and lodging.

    Title: Current Episodes Thread
    Post by: Griffith on June 11, 2009, 08:53:14 PM
    Updated the top post with sketches and Inoue's note.

    Also, turns out Matahatchi is taking his mother back to Miyamoto village.

    Good contemplation from Matahachi, I would say he's thinking about what has he really done since Sekigahara and parting from Musashi. What did he accomplished? He just lived off Oko,pretended to be Kojiro and in the process got uncle Gon killed by running away.

    Basically right on on. He does acknowledge himself as a master of women and drink though. =)

    Oh Matahachi....I hope this and the love of his mother get you back in the right path. I am only speculating he might do some of his lying to get his mother some help and lodging.

    I hope not, especially with his most recent desire to purge himself of his weakness and lies. I'm actually looking forward to more between these two on their journey.
    Title: Current Episodes Thread
    Post by: TheBranded1 on June 11, 2009, 09:33:46 PM


    I liked that part where is thinking if Musashi didn't exist, or was born in the same village. Then goes on a rampage that all the thoughts are about Musashi(Takezou), and where is he at. Like his mother said, "Try to be strong".Just like a caterpillar, try to look scary or poisonous eventhough you know you are not.
    Title: Current Episodes Thread
    Post by: Griffith on June 13, 2009, 06:11:29 PM
    I thought her words were more that he's not a strong person, but he can be a person who tries to be strong, or perhaps acts strong.
    Title: Current Episodes Thread
    Post by: TheBranded1 on June 13, 2009, 06:49:35 PM
    I thought her words were more that he's not a strong person, but he can be a person who tries to be strong, or perhaps acts strong.

    Yeah, I forgot to include what she said first. I only typed the "try to be strong" and such. So, just "try to be strong" at least better than claiming you are strong.
    Title: Current Episodes Thread
    Post by: Griffith on June 16, 2009, 09:17:23 PM
    Or as Yoda would say, there is no try. :guts:

    Anyway, I wonder if Inoue's promises of wrapping things up soon aren't coming to fruition right under our noses. I want to feel like things are still in the middle, and we should be seeing tons more of Matahatchi, but on the other hand, this could be it! He could just take his mom home and that's his journey basically, other than showing up again for the finale. Same with Kojiro, Inoue could easily shuffle these guys off stage from here so he can focus on Musashi and getting him where he needs to go, before jumping in time and bringing everyone back together for the final duel (which is still supposed to be about 8 years away chronologically, yeesh). Anyway, that's not my hope, I want plenty more of the big four, Musashi, Kojiro, Otsu and Matahatchi, but Inoue has things set up in such a way that he could call it a wrap on many of these characters.



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    This manuscript was fight time and flight to Kumamoto.
    The flight was the work finished before the final one.
    I have a way to empty.
    When you get to Haneda, but was still wearing sandals at work. .


    2009.6.16
    Inoue Takehiko
    Title: Current Episodes Thread
    Post by: TheBranded1 on June 17, 2009, 12:29:45 AM
    From those sketches, you guys think it might be Matahachi as a baby. Maybe some story her mother tells him in this journey back to Miyamoto village.


    from those sketches, you guys think it might be Matahachi as a baby. Maybe some story her mother tells him in this journey back to Miyamoto village.

    OK,  I got the part about Matahachi being a baby. But to find out that Osugi is not his real mother :isidro:
    Title: Current Episodes Thread
    Post by: Walter on June 17, 2009, 01:08:19 AM
    Anyway, I wonder if Inoue's promises of wrapping things up soon aren't coming to fruition right under our noses. I want to feel like things are still in the middle, and we should be seeing tons more of Matahatchi, but on the other hand, this could be it!
    Nah, I think we're nearing the apex of Inoue's vision for Vagabond. I've always had a feeling Inoue's intention with the series was to set each of its main characters on the course to their personal enlightenment, and then close when it's implied they're at the cusp of embracing that light. For Matahachi, I think his end result is to acknowledge his faults and find a path to make atonement for his wayward days, for Musashi, it's finding and mastering the Way, independent of the spiral. That's my visions for these characters anyway.

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    He could just take his mom home and that's his journey basically, other than showing up again for the finale. Same with Kojiro, Inoue could easily shuffle these guys off stage from here so he can focus on Musashi and getting him where he needs to go, before jumping in time and bringing everyone back together for the final duel (which is still supposed to be about 8 years away chronologically, yeesh)
    I bet the final pages of Vagabond will be the duel just beginning, or Musashi arriving on boat, and he and Kojiro sharing a glance, then THE END. I don't think Inoue will draw out the duel of the millennium, but instead build up the readers' understanding of these characters so the action isn't even necessary to be shown.


    As for 272 specifically, I really dug it. Mata's chance to shine! Some notes I made as I read it (yes I take notes while reading some series):
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    Pg 7: finally, Mata gets some of that good advice that Inoue's doled out to Musashi but been so stingy with Mata!

    Pg 10: Mata struggling with his basest temptations even in his most humanitarian effort. Poor guy ... He's fascinating because he's so weak, he can't muscle his way to goodness like Mushi.

    Pg 14: I think this shows one of Matahachi's deep misunderstandings of Musashi, even though they were such good friends. He truly doesnt understand Musashi's motives. He's not trying to make a name for himself anymore. For Musashi, this is a personal journey of discovery.

    Pg 17-18: We see Mata's Sloggo!


    Title: Current Episodes Thread
    Post by: Griffith on June 22, 2009, 07:08:06 AM
    OK,  I got the part about Matahachi being a baby.

    Yeah, you were right on with that.

    But to find out that Osugi is not his real mother :isidro:

    Yeah, though that was foreshadowed earlier in Matahatchi's memories with people basically saying as much to his face.
    Title: Current Episodes Thread
    Post by: TheBranded1 on June 23, 2009, 04:19:04 AM


    It was good  to see Osugi in a younger version(same old same :ganishka:). At least now Matahachi is admitting to have told lies and being weak. It's  like AA for Matahachi, he had to admit what he was in order to advance towards a better him.
    Title: Current Episodes Thread
    Post by: Walter on June 23, 2009, 05:37:23 AM
    Well, this certainly explains Matahachi's lack of commitment to his family, and even his rebel streak to a certain extent. He's never truly been a Hon'iden, but he was bent and molded to those false ancestors' standards by his mother all his life. This revelation sheds more light on the flashback to Matahachi's talk with Uncle Gon in vol 12, just before he and Takezo set out for war an fortune.

    Gon never had much faith in Matahachi's professed strength, probably because all along he knew he wasn't from very fine stock. Or at least, he was more of a commoner than the ancestors his mother always striving him to become like.

    Poor Matahachi  :sad:
    Title: Current Episodes Thread
    Post by: Griffith on June 23, 2009, 08:27:27 AM
    Nah, I think we're nearing the apex of Inoue's vision for Vagabond. I've always had a feeling Inoue's intention with the series was to set each of its main characters on the course to their personal enlightenment, and then close when it's implied they're at the cusp of embracing that light. For Matahachi, I think his end result is to acknowledge his faults and find a path to make atonement for his wayward days, for Musashi, it's finding and mastering the Way, independent of the spiral. That's my visions for these characters anyway.

    Yeah, but I want more, particularly from Musashi's end. I want to see him learn to "use his powers for good," see him cut down 70, but in order to save 700. I'd be perfectly fine with everyone else being relatively pushed to the back burner.

    I bet the final pages of Vagabond will be the duel just beginning, or Musashi arriving on boat, and he and Kojiro sharing a glance, then THE END.

    God I hope you're wrong. :ganishka:

    I don't think Inoue will draw out the duel of the millennium, but instead build up the readers' understanding of these characters so the action isn't even necessary to be shown.

    Yeah, I'm not expecting a clumsy bloodpath considering where they are at this point and will be by then, but I want a major psychological standoff/payoff on the order of Inshun, Seijuro, and Den combined. No pressure, Inoue. =)

    As for 272 specifically, I really dug it. Mata's chance to shine! Some notes I made as I read it (yes I take notes while reading some series):

    Haha, awesome notes, I'd like to see more of them. Somehow, I missed or am not remembering Mata's Sloggo! I'll have to go check that. Also, I too was very proud of him in this episode, he completely won me over... the bastard.



    It was good  to see Osugi in a younger version(same old same :ganishka:). At least now Matahachi is admitting to have told lies and being weak. It's  like AA for Matahachi, he had to admit what he was in order to advance towards a better him.

    Well, it's about time, and I like the AA analogy. :griffnotevil:

    Well, this certainly explains Matahachi's lack of commitment to his family, and even his rebel streak to a certain extent. He's never truly been a Hon'iden, but he was bent and molded to those false ancestors' standards by his mother all his life. This revelation sheds more light on the flashback to Matahachi's talk with Uncle Gon in vol 12, just before he and Takezo set out for war an fortune.

    Gon never had much faith in Matahachi's professed strength, probably because all along he knew he wasn't from very fine stock. Or at least, he was more of a commoner than the ancestors his mother always striving him to become like.

    Poor Matahachi  :sad:

    I'm not so sure about all that, while Osugi certainly isn't his mother, I think he is the son of Hon'iden, only born to his mistress. It certainly makes more sense than for her to arbitrarily claim a random child to carry on the Hon'iden name. She was just a smart and strong enough woman to recognize the situation and to take the initiative.

    Anyway, another beautiful Mata episode, two in a row now, and I don't even want it to switch back to Musashi. I'm even a bit uneasy with things getting so depressing near that waterfall, I hope they move on from there soon...
    Title: Current Episodes Thread
    Post by: Walter on June 23, 2009, 02:53:25 PM
    Ohhh, i didn't consider that the woman could be Hon'iden's mistress. But are we sure? Seems to me that Osugi says she can't continue the Hon'iden line since her husband is dead, and that's why she begs for the baby.

    It could indeed be a mistress, but that's really not the impression I get from the chapter. Then again, I've been wrong in the past. I think I still owe you a flip-flop or a shoe because of my false prediction in ep 181, don't I Griff?

    As for that waterfall scene, I thought this was going to be where granny had her final moments. With her seeing visions of Uncle Gon, I thought that was the end for her.
    Title: Current Episodes Thread
    Post by: Griffith on June 24, 2009, 06:58:08 AM
    Ohhh, i didn't consider that the woman could be Hon'iden's mistress.

    Yeah, it's not totally clear, but the Matahatchi's real mother does comment that it's a shame his father died before he was old enough to memorize his face, and since it's Hon'iden's funeral she's saying this at... anyway, no wonder Matahatchi's such a loser, he'd forgotten the face of his father before he could even remember it. :SK:

    But are we sure? Seems to me that Osugi says she can't continue the Hon'iden line since her husband is dead, and that's why she begs for the baby.

    Well, SHE couldn't. =)

    It could indeed be a mistress, but that's really not the impression I get from the chapter. Then again, I've been wrong in the past. I think I still owe you a flip-flop or a shoe because of my false prediction in ep 181, don't I Griff?

    Speaking of ep 181, in Vagabond 182 (volume 21) there's a brief scene where Matahatchi dreams/remembers being told he's the son of a mistress, which is actually what planted this thought in my head in the first place.

    As for that waterfall scene, I thought this was going to be where granny had her final moments. With her seeing visions of Uncle Gon, I thought that was the end for her.

    Very well could be, but I hope not, especially with her finally learning the truth about Gon, Otsu, Musashi, and Matahatchi himself. I want to see her reaction to those revelations... other than dying. I'd like to see her bounce back and maybe have a transformation akin to the novel, but I'll understand if this is the end.



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    2009.6.24
    Inoue Takehiko



    Another pre-release!

    Well, I was right to be worried about that waterfall. They come very close to going over, but Matachi falls back and flings his mother off his back and it's hard to say at this point what's real and what's more metaphorical. It may all be very literal with some imaginary visions of what could have been thrown in, such as returning to the village to see Gon, Takezo, Otsu and the rest all doing fine, or Osugi could already have passed and the entire conversation is between Matahatchi and his expectation of his mother. We'll see soon enough, but it doesn't look like she makes it past episode's end. Here's hoping she still bounces back though...

    Something I found interesting from the last episode too, was the way everyone in the village was afraid of Osugi, she was considered the strongest person in the village, and was also somewhat isolated for it... ironically, kind of like someone else we know from Miyamoto. =)
    Title: Current Episodes Thread
    Post by: TheBranded1 on June 25, 2009, 06:17:51 PM


    Osugi has paased away. :judo:  At least she gave a good lecture to Matahachi. I liked it.
    Title: Current Episodes Thread
    Post by: Griffith on June 29, 2009, 08:29:04 PM
    Very touching episode, and it occurred to me that this was basically like their "flashback" moment before the end, but now I hope it's only Osugi's end (assuming she doesn't jump up again in the next episode =). Mata finally has context, and I think it's interesting that it's basically the same conclusion we had already come to in the Matahatchi thread:

    http://www.skullknight.net/forum/index.php?topic=9926.0

    He can become a person Musashi can't be.



    Walter and I have a lot of conversations about Vagabond outside the Inn, actually, a majority of our real Vagabond talking is done that way. Well, that doesn't do anything to stimulate this section, and this sort of discussion is exactly what the Inn is for, so when it happened again today, we decided to do something about it!

    Feel free to continue the conversation or take it any direction you like.


    Griffith: I felt like Musashi, "I like this old man."

    Walter: hahaha
    i hope he gets to see him again.
    somehow I dont think he'll get there, or will veer off course for something else

    Griffith: Yeah, or he'll be... too late.
    I mean, you could say his death was signaled by the flowers changing in volume... 11?
    Or maybe that was his new lease on life.
    I'd rather think that.
    Technically, it's not even that time yet, is it?
    Cause it flashed forward to the next spring.

    Walter: i dont think he's dead yet.
    i think its interesting he chose to seek him out now though.
    still dont quite have my head around that.

    Griffith: He need to talk to the other Invincible guy in the world. =)
    He understands strength now.
    Before Musashi couldn't relate to him, now he's the only one that can.
    Yagyu is the only one that can relate to him, that is.

    Walter: when did we learn that In'ei died? I forgot. Did we?

    Griffith: No.
    No word on either.

    Walter: k

    Griffith: But we see neither after the 70 man slaying.
    Just disciples.

    Walter: damn it we should be having this conversation in the Inn!

    Griffith: Yeah, this is what happens.

    Walter: damn it

    Griffith: Fuck it, I'm making a thread for it.

    Walter: hahaha

    Griffith: Conversations on Vagabond. =)
    Title: Current Episodes Thread
    Post by: TheBranded1 on June 29, 2009, 09:35:14 PM


    Well, this thread at least will include the few who are in the Inn a bit more. So, in regards to Mushi reaching Yagyu in time or after his demise. I think even if he hasn't been shown, he's still around and might have a last chat with Mushashi. Mushi: So I killed 70 men and got really hurt to understand what strong is. How many did you have to kill? Yagyu: Zero.  Musashi:  ................
    I hope I see at least one more time "Enter my circle and I kick your ass" moment.
    Title: Current Episodes Thread
    Post by: Walter on June 30, 2009, 03:22:37 PM
    How many did you have to kill? Yagyu: Zero.  Musashi:  ................
    I lol'd  :ganishka:

    That's how I see their conversation happening too. I feel that though Musashi believes he's progressed far, he'll still see himself at the foot of a great hill when he meets Sekishusai again. Hey, maybe Musashi could live in that dojo built for Kami'izumu ?  :carcus:

    "This is where the invincible sleep."
    Title: Current Episodes Thread
    Post by: Griffith on June 30, 2009, 08:46:07 PM
    HOLY SHIT!

    I'm retitling this episode, "#275 - To Walter, Thanks for Everything, Takehiko Inoue"

    JUST GET IT, GET IT NOW!



    Walter: holy shit.
    inoue read my mind, or vice versa
    just yesterday it occurred to me that itd be great if Musashi ran into Ito on the way
    And future Matahachi!

    Griffith: Yup!

    Walter: I love Vagabond =)

    Griffith: Yeah, damn Inoue, what a great cliffhanger too
    I've been waiting for this as well.

    Walter: knowing Ito, it will come down to a duel =)
    he'll want to see this Tiger's strength

    Griffith: Maybe he'll postpone it.
    Wounded Tiger. =)

    Walter: hehe yeah
    either way, im giddy with excitement
    annoying because as soon as i finished reading the ep, my boss came over and wanted to have a quick meeting, but i couldnt keep this stupid grin off my face

    Griffith: lol

    Walter: btw, this convo should go in the conversation thread

    Griffith: Oh, I had already thought so.

    Walter: so.... the matahachi section.

    Griffith: I'm just wonder what the deal with that is, yeah.
    Are we done with him?

    Walter: does he see a young Takezo? I couldn't tell.

    Griffith: Or an illegitimate child. =)
    I knew it was Ito on that first page.

    Walter: oh yeah

    Griffith: Had to be.

    Walter: ditto
    a straight homage to vol 17

    Griffith: And Musashi's father in 28 =)
    Even Mushi looks shocked at first glance

    Walter: oh yeah hahaha

    Griffith: "Who is THAT!?"

    Walter: sounds stupid, but i wonder if theres any significance to his left sleeve being ripped off
    or if its just to show his MANLINESS

    Griffith: I think he's just rougher than ever.
    Probably the same clothes from 4 years ago.
    Ripped and resewn, unrecognizable. =)
    BTW, I think Musashi's face on the bottom of 19 is a prime candidate to be changed in the volume.

    Walter: wha? why

    Griffith: Not that it needs to be, but that I think Inoue might.
    I don't know, make Mushi seem like less of a dork in that shot. =)

    Walter: brb

    Griffith: I still don't know why he changed Den and Mata in those other shots.
    It just has a... different look we're not used to from Musashi, and I'm wondering if that isn't for a reason.

    Walter: i think he's just surprised.
    theyve met before, and all.
    the only thing that struck me about that shot was that at first I couldnt tell if Musashi's head scar had opened up, or if it was just wet hair.

    Griffith: Just hair.
    You can see the stitches underneath.

    Walter: yep

    Griffith: I think Musashi might not have sensed him, that's why he's shocked.
    Also, I doubt he remembers meeting him.
    He didn't remember Kojiro.

    Walter: yeah, which always seemed strange to me...

    Griffith: Maybe that flashback we've been waiting for will come now.
    I'm sure Ito will remember him.
    "You're that beast!" =)

    Walter: i wonder how Ito will rate Musashi =)
    10,000,000!

    Griffith: 70, 000 points =)

    Walter: 9,000!
    ahahahha

    Griffith: Well, i'm sure Ito's own rating has gone up in his mind
    Title: Current Episodes Thread
    Post by: Walter on June 30, 2009, 08:51:52 PM
    As the #1 Ito Ittosai fanboy, all I can say is:

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    Title: Current Episodes Thread
    Post by: TheBranded1 on July 01, 2009, 02:42:24 AM


    Oh yeah It-tttt-ttt-ooooooooo! *CHEERS*
    Title: Current Episodes Thread
    Post by: TheBranded1 on July 01, 2009, 02:56:42 AM


    About Matahachi, that seemed to be it for him, since we kinda see what sort of person he becomes after his mother's death. He's still a drinker thought, no an alcoholic but still relishing the sake. I think it is a Musashi as a child what he sees. Maybe acknowledging him or just remembering him from the time at the village. Having a happy thought about his friend and realizing what he has accomplished and feeling happy for him instead of jealousy. I also think he might not remember Itto, since in Sekigahara he was in wild beast mode and was mainly focusing on getting rid of the soldiers. Remember when he fought Inshun he didn't remember much about him from the first match until he could "see" in the second match. I like that picture on page 19, It reminded me of when fawns drink water in rivers and as soon as they hear something they raise their head and ears to find out what it was. But with Musashi he seems he was still swallowing the water and then he caught Ittosai's presence and rose up to find out where it was coming from. And Ittosai doesn't seem to be having any footwear either. Was he washing his feet and are just somewhere behind him. It'll be funny if he says something like this: Ittosai: I spotted you from far away, but it took you so long to get here, that I got bored and took a nap. Musashi: Who are you? You seem strong old man.

    P.S. Butterfly butterfly!
    Title: Current Episodes Thread
    Post by: Griffith on July 01, 2009, 08:42:43 AM
    About Matahachi, that seemed to be it for him, since we kinda see what sort of person he becomes after his mother's death. He's still a drinker thought, no an alcoholic but still relishing the sake.

    Yeah, I got that same vibe, that this might be his swan song and we're really seeing the last of him in the series, at least as far as his story is concerned.

    I think it is a Musashi as a child what he sees. Maybe acknowledging him or just remembering him from the time at the village. Having a happy thought about his friend and realizing what he has accomplished and feeling happy for him instead of jealousy.

    Could very well be, the kid somehow seems fainter like an apparition, though it could also just be a boy like he and Takezo when they were young, serving the same purpose, but, while also showing how life goes on.

    I also think he might not remember Itto, since in Sekigahara he was in wild beast mode and was mainly focusing on getting rid of the soldiers. Remember when he fought Inshun he didn't remember much about him from the first match until he could "see" in the second match.

    That's an interesting observation about Musashi's perception, though it's not like Musashi didn't remember Inshun anymore than Inshun forgot how big Musashi was, it was just a matter of their perceptions, and as you point out, Musashi just wasn't very observant in those days.

    I like that picture on page 19, It reminded me of when fawns drink water in rivers and as soon as they hear something they raise their head and ears to find out what it was. But with Musashi he seems he was still swallowing the water and then he caught Ittosai's presence and rose up to find out where it was coming from.

    Yeah, I think that's why he's so shocked, because unlike the old days, he's usually always aware of his surroundings and those in them. Unlike Seijuro, Ito wasn't eve sneaking up on him, he was just there. I'm sure Musashi'll recognize Ito for what he is just on that count.

    And Ittosai doesn't seem to be having any footwear either. Was he washing his feet and are just somewhere behind him. It'll be funny if he says something like this: Ittosai: I spotted you from far away, but it took you so long to get here, that I got bored and took a nap. Musashi: Who are you? You seem strong old man.

    Ito doesn't look like a man with a predilection for washing these days. =)

    And yeah, I noticed the fact he was barefoot as well, and seems to be about a scumily dressed as anyone we've seen. Torn raggedly top, no shoes, and even shorts... he just doesn't care. I love it. :guts:

    P.S. Butterfly butterfly!

     :rakshas:
    Title: Current Episodes Thread
    Post by: Walter on July 01, 2009, 01:11:43 PM
    Yeah, I got that same vibe, that this might be his swan song and we're really seeing the last of him in the series, at least as far as his story is concerned.
    When you insisted that I had to see this chapter, and I saw the time shift occur, and we see older Matahachi, I thought the series was about to end, no kidding !  :sad:

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    Could very well be, the kid somehow seems fainter like an apparition, though it could also just be a boy like he and Takezo when they were young, serving the same purpose, but, while also showing how life goes on.
    Really, to me the kid just doesn't resemble Takezo. I think it's just some kid that reminded Matahachi of Takezo. Allow me to ramble with my explanation =)

    There's no translation yet, but check out what Matahachi is doing on the bridge. He's sitting next to a sign, and the villagers there are asking him specifically about Musashi and Kojiro. I think it's possible that Matahachi is telling him his tale, and the people are doubting a drunkard like him knew these living (well, in Musashi's case anyway) legends. And this kid that comes up to him is probably inspired by Musashi and his legend, so Matahachi sees something familiar about him.

    Anyway, that's what was running through my head about the Matahachi portion.
    Title: Current Episodes Thread
    Post by: Griffith on July 01, 2009, 05:31:59 PM
    When you insisted that I had to see this chapter, and I saw the time shift occur, and we see older Matahachi, I thought the series was about to end, no kidding !  :sad:

    Well, in part, maybe it did. If anything, I think it showed just how committed, if not close, Inoue is to ending it within a reasonable amount of time. We're no longer safe reading the tea leaves, the next big even in Musashi's life could be the last before we flash-forward to him at 30, face to face with Kojiro.

    Really, to me the kid just doesn't resemble Takezo. I think it's just some kid that reminded Matahachi of Takezo. Allow me to ramble with my explanation =)
    There's no translation yet, but check out what Matahachi is doing on the bridge. He's sitting next to a sign, and the villagers there are asking him specifically about Musashi and Kojiro. I think it's possible that Matahachi is telling him his tale, and the people are doubting a drunkard like him knew these living (well, in Musashi's case anyway) legends. And this kid that comes up to him is probably inspired by Musashi and his legend, so Matahachi sees something familiar about him.

    Anyway, that's what was running through my head about the Matahachi portion.

    That's pretty much what I'm inclined to believe as well, though I do think the kid certainly resembles Takezo, it just doesn't look like it's literally him.
    Title: Current Episodes Thread
    Post by: Kalie Ma on July 02, 2009, 03:48:15 PM
    At first I thought who is this old man? Then I saw that smile, and thought ITTOOOOOOOO!!!!  :mozgus:

    With the flash forward with matahachi i wonder if Inoue is really considering cutting Vagabond short. If we next see another subcharacter like Otsu, and it flashes forward to HER future, I would seriously consider that it indicates a trend Vagabond is truly coming to a close.  :sad:  :sad:  :judo:



    It looks like Oko and Matahachi's kid to me! He has her evil seductive eyes... :casca:

    But no it's probably just a village kid. Though I did think at first that it was a ghost or a vision, ebcause of the weird texturing on his clothes. It made hiim stand out. but i dont think thats the case.
    Title: Current Episodes Thread
    Post by: Griffith on July 02, 2009, 10:36:20 PM
    With the flash forward with matahachi i wonder if Inoue is really considering cutting Vagabond short. If we next see another subcharacter like Otsu, and it flashes forward to HER future, I would seriously consider that it indicates a trend Vagabond is truly coming to a close.  :sad:  :sad:  :judo:

    I wouldn't think so, at least not that far. I think Otsu is going to remain relevant throughout Musashi's story, so no fear of her loose ends just being tied off. For that matter, I'd still like to see some personal closure between Matahatchi and Musashi... they aren't going to meet again!? Maybe everyone will reappear for the big duel.
    Title: Current Episodes Thread
    Post by: TheBranded1 on July 02, 2009, 11:32:56 PM


    Alright, so at least now I know Matahachi was telling stories about Musashi and Kojiro. From that I think we might still see him when Kojiro and Musashi meet.  As for the kid he's talking to I have no idea who he is, might be shown in later volumes. So Musashi is "seeing"or you can say "hearing" quite effortlessly the echo. :guts:
    Title: Current Episodes Thread
    Post by: Walter on July 03, 2009, 12:11:42 AM
    (http://skullknight.net/images/matahachi-already2.jpg)

    (http://skullknight.net/images/matahachi-already1.jpg)

    Just noticed this  :serpico:
    Title: Current Episodes Thread
    Post by: Griffith on July 03, 2009, 10:59:14 PM
     :ganishka:

    Anyway, I'm happy Matahatchi finally made peace with himself. I wouldn't mind seeing a little more even. Also, am I the only one that gets the feeling because Musashi is encountering Ito, he won't also encounter old man Yagyu?
    Title: Current Episodes Thread
    Post by: Walter on July 03, 2009, 11:18:08 PM
    Also, am I the only one that gets the feeling because Musashi is encountering Ito, he won't also encounter old man Yagyu?
    You are not alone. But this is a fair trade  :griff:
    Title: Current Episodes Thread
    Post by: Griffith on July 03, 2009, 11:26:02 PM
    You are not alone. But this is a fair trade  :griff:

    That's exactly what it feels like too, a trade off.
    Title: Current Episodes Thread
    Post by: TheBranded1 on July 03, 2009, 11:49:02 PM


    I'm still saying he might reach Yagyu in his final moments in spite meeting Ito here. I"m also speculating he might have a meeting (or some dialogue) with Yagyu's grandson Hyougonosuke ( mispelled probably)
    Title: Current Episodes Thread
    Post by: Walter on July 04, 2009, 12:59:56 AM
    I"m also speculating he might have a meeting (or some dialogue) with Yagyu's grandson Hyougonosuke ( mispelled probably)
    Yeah those two seem destined to have more of a discussion. There was such a connection with them before.
    Title: Current Episodes Thread
    Post by: Griffith on July 08, 2009, 07:40:00 AM
    I'm still saying he might reach Yagyu in his final moments in spite meeting Ito here. I"m also speculating he might have a meeting (or some dialogue) with Yagyu's grandson Hyougonosuke ( mispelled probably)

    That's a good point, and sadly, the old man's death would be a good reason for him to have returned home.

    Yeah those two seem destined to have more of a discussion. There was such a connection with them before.

    You'd think that about Matahatchi too though... So yeah, unless Inoue cheats us and Musashi flash-forwards to his cave-dwelling deathbed in the next episode. =)



    http://www.itplanning.co.jp/vaga.html

    (http://www.itplanning.co.jp/images/vaga/vol.gif)

    (http://www.itplanning.co.jp/images/vaga/276a.gif)

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    Develop a new cafe is a candidate見TSUKERUBEKU new Ace stores.
    I did know quite a lot Cafe

    2009.7.8
    Inoue Takehiko

    Summary:
    Starts with Matahatchi on the bridge with a crowd waiting to hear his stories, but he's looking for the little boy from the other day who finally arrives, to Mata's satisfaction. Cut to Ito looking down on Musashi, and our collective sigh of relief that Inoue didn't cock block us in this episode. Ito instantly recognizes Musashi from their encounter at the battle of Sekigahara. Ito talks to Musashi and reaches for his... sword. And while nature calls Ito, something else calls to a bemused Musashi, who silently splits to Ito's own chagrin. Musashi is off contemplating Yagyu, and possibly what's become of him, and the episode ends when Ito suddenly appears sitting behind him, friendly as ever.

    P.S. That's a big stream. =)
    Title: Current Episodes Thread
    Post by: Walter on July 08, 2009, 12:13:14 PM
    Hmm, this chapter has me wondering more about what kind of man Ittosai has become. Has he descended or ascended, along the way? He appears to be goading Musashi into a fight, and is surprised when Musashi instead just continues down the path, ignoring him.

    Musashi seems so focused on Sekishusai, that I wonder if he'll miss a great opportunity to learn from another master. Similar to how he disregarded In'ei at first.
    Title: Current Episodes Thread
    Post by: TheBranded1 on July 08, 2009, 02:13:39 PM
    Hmm, this chapter has me wondering more about what kind of man Ittosai has become. Has he descended or ascended, along the way?
    Well, he sure as descended when it comes to changing clothes. From what I have seen from Itto in prior volumes, I say he has ascended, but still keeping that attitude of his.

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    He appears to be goading Musashi into a fight, and is surprised when Musashi instead just continues down the path, ignoring him.
    Hmmm... For me I would say he was kinda comparing him to his old wild beast he witness in Sekigahara, you know with that smart ass style of his. I also don't know if Itto would actually challenge Musashi in the state he is in.

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    Musashi seems so focused on Sekishusai, that I wonder if he'll miss a great opportunity to learn from another master. Similar to how he disregarded In'ei at first.

    Yeah, he seems focus on Sekishusai, but after Itto arrives where he is. They might actually have a chat. Have to wait to know what really is being said.
    Title: Current Episodes Thread
    Post by: Walter on July 08, 2009, 02:16:45 PM
    Hmmm... For me I would say he was kinda comparing him to his old wild beast he witness in Sekigahara, you know with that smart ass style of his. I also don't know if Itto would actually challenge Musashi in the state he is in.
    Well, from the very little I can tell of what's being said, Itto is saying a lot more than just that. He has apparently kept tabs on Musashi, or at least has heard tales. He calls him by his name, and even mentions the Yoshioka fight. So I wonder if he's criticizing the path Musashi has taken, just to goad him into a fight, which is why Musashi looks a little miffed before he continues past Itto.

    Either way, we'll know soon enough with a translation  :daiba:

    I also really like the new Matahachi story. It's pretty cute to see Matahachi with that knowing grin on his face. Quite a change for him =)
    Title: Current Episodes Thread
    Post by: Griffith on July 09, 2009, 03:23:27 AM
    Hmm, this chapter has me wondering more about what kind of man Ittosai has become. Has he descended or ascended, along the way? He appears to be goading Musashi into a fight, and is surprised when Musashi instead just continues down the path, ignoring him.

    Musashi seems so focused on Sekishusai, that I wonder if he'll miss a great opportunity to learn from another master. Similar to how he disregarded In'ei at first.

    I don't know if you can compare Ito to In'ei though, who admittedly said he didn't know how to teach anyone anything other than, "Become me" (of course, his teaching Kojiro the meaning of fear belies that, but regardless, it's what he believes, he's not the teaching type like In'ei). So, alluding to what you said earlier, unless he's become a different man in that time, Musashi might not have missed out on much by walking away. Perhaps that's what Ito needs in order to get something out of him; it's an interesting contrast to the way Ito was pursued by lesser swordsman and spites them for it, while in this case, a peer ignores him and his antics and Ito ends up pursuing after him. Playing hard to get might be the way with Ito. =)

    On the Sekishisai front, I wonder if Ito might also reveal something there about Yagyu, perhaps what sent Musashi away thinking.

    Well, he sure as descended when it comes to changing clothes. From what I have seen from Itto in prior volumes, I say he has ascended, but still keeping that attitude of his.

    That's a good way to describe it, "that attitude of his." :ganishka: It was actually funny to see Musashi totally ignore him and his machismo.

    Hmmm... For me I would say he was kinda comparing him to his old wild beast he witness in Sekigahara, you know with that smart ass style of his. I also don't know if Itto would actually challenge Musashi in the state he is in.

    I can see it both ways, that he wouldn't want to fight Musashi if he couldn't experience him at full strength, or if he'd relish the challenge regardless, injuries being part of "the game" and all. Maybe he'll advise Musashi on how to handle himself in that condition.

    Yeah, he seems focus on Sekishusai, but after Itto arrives where he is. They might actually have a chat. Have to wait to know what really is being said.

    Yeah, I hope so, I love Ito in his "harassing cheerful" mode and am very happy with the way things have turned conversational. Of course, I've been waiting for this for a long time. To me, this is like Musashi meeting another version of himself or his father.

    Well, from the very little I can tell of what's being said, Itto is saying a lot more than just that. He has apparently kept tabs on Musashi, or at least has heard tales. He calls him by his name, and even mentions the Yoshioka fight. So I wonder if he's criticizing the path Musashi has taken, just to goad him into a fight, which is why Musashi looks a little miffed before he continues past Itto.

    Either way, we'll know soon enough with a translation  :daiba:

    Thanks for the info for now though! Hmmm, Ito hasn't been the type to criticize a good old fashioned rampage, so if even he thinks Musashi has gone too far... what an indictment. I'll believe that when I see it though. As I said before, they're like kindred spirits to me, and Ito certainly seems in good spirits having met Musashi again.

    I also really like the new Matahachi story. It's pretty cute to see Matahachi with that knowing grin on his face. Quite a change for him =)

    Same, and I'm glad he exited stage right in a timely manner too, I'd have resented him all over if he'd put off the Musashi/Ito encounter another week, "Tell the story, old man!"



    Walter: anyway... ITTO

    Griffith: Yeah, ITTO ITTTOSAI
    I wish this was translated already.
    And I've never been so impatient for the next Vagabond episode.

    Walter: me too...
    but the trans wait is killing me.
    oh yeah, wtf. did you notice they called it Vagabond GAIDEN?
    very strange.

    Griffith: Yeah, I don't get it.

    Walter: let me check to see if its legit

    Griffith: Not unless it starts with Matahatchi telling the tale of when Ito met Musashi. =)
    This even plays into how the series could end.
    With Matahatchi the storyteller!

    Walter: yeah that gaiden stuff is bullshit.
    the kanji is nowhere on the page.

    Griffith: Weird.
    It would make sense from a made up standpoint in the middle of the Matahatchi stuff.
    Like, derisively.

    Walter: ah, just translated the title. Chance Meeting.

    Griffith: Like in the men's room.

    Walter: hahaha yeah pretty much
    the timing of Itto's piss i think is key =)
    hes talking about Musashi's accomplishments, then he whips it out and starts pissing

    Griffith: I think he's just grandstanding. =)
    MACHO MAN ITO SAVAGE
    "Look at me PISS!"
    So you think he's putting him down?

    Walter: hmm? yeah
    i think hes goading him
    i really want to know the phrase he uses in page 11
    at the top

    Griffith: I just mean definitely? as it's certainly possible.

    Walter: the SNEEEER he gives him

    Griffith: Well, it didn't work out for him. =)
    Musashi wins.
    At least that round.
    That could also be what led to Musashi's contemplating Yagyu, perhaps comparing himself after hearing what Ito had to say.

    Walter: sounds about right

    Griffith: Then, I wonder what Ito's doing there or if he had news of Yagyu.

    Walter: are we sure Itto is peeing? it could be a transcendary state he's in.
    like Mushi's cold.

    Griffith: Im' going to go with pee. =)
    I think that's why Musashi really left too.

    Walter: hahahaha

    Griffith: Musashi is surprisingly conservative, he can't abide these farters and pissers. =)
    "Genius!?"
    Only the great ball scratcher Yagyu has his respect.
    I wonder if Ito didn't guess Musashi's purpose and give him bad news too.
    "Yagyu!? Just missed him, he's DED!"
    peeeeeeee
    That'd send Musashi off as well.
    I love Ito's outfit too.

    Walter: nah, he doesnt mention the Yagyu that I see

    Griffith: ah

    Walter: yeah its cool

    Griffith: He makes Musashi look like he's wearing a suit.
    Ito: "Whoa, Mr. Businessman, I'm trying to enjoy nature!"
    It's casual Friday for him.

    Walter: when i first saw him, with all the scars on his arm, and the ONE ARM, i was first reminded of the guy in vol 15.
    Griffith: You mean, secret Kami? =)

    Walter: but i doubt theres anythign to it

    Griffith: Fudo!

    Walter: hahaha yeah
    yeah we dont see Ittos other arm either btw
    just checked

    Griffith: I noticed.
    When he stands, it's most noticable.

    Walter: i wasnt sure. thought it was me overthinking it
    just that one arm seems to badass it's... overcompensating

    Griffith: No, not yet.
    Page 8 is where it's most glaring.

    Walter: yeah, the fabric is just sitting there
    hanging, rather
    Poor Itto... I hope we're wrong =(

    Griffith: Well, I'm most concerned we don't see anything coming out.

    Walter: ?

    Griffith: A hand or fingers, the fabric looks fine otherwise.
    Like in the previous, it's flowing out as if there were something there.
    It's not hanging flat.
    Including the last ep

    Walter: ah
    yeah, looks like theres SOMEthing there.

    Griffith: So, is that shape an arm, or a lack of an arm!?

    Walter: Mechanical arm, huh? It's groooovy

    Griffith: Could be either.
    Fabrics just flowing to the ground, making it look full, and impossible to see with black.
    Which could very well be the intent behind that color choice./
    It would give a whole new context to their encounter, and the advice he could give Musashi.
    "Don't become me."

    Walter: ahahaha

    Griffith: I'm pretty much going to be surprised if he has an arm at this point now.
    Inoue loves that stuff.
    Like Kohei's scar.
    The same wind is going to blow Ito's sleeve around so Musashi can go, "!!"

    Walter: itll come at a cool moment im sure
    the reveal
    thats my awesome prediction
    "itll be cool"

    Griffith: Unless he just shows his left arm in the next, "Damn sleeve is too long!"
    I'd want Ito to have something crazy, like a sword for an arm.
    "Had this stuck in my arm hole."
    "Now I'm part sword!"
    Musashi: "..."

    Walter: hope he doesnt instinctively reach for his wang with that thing

    Griffith: "That's what this dagger is for."
    Those prostitutes REALLY better watch out now!

    Walter: im currently refreshing =)
    kaman.wav

    Griffith: Musashi: "What are you?"
    Ito: "I'm.... HORSEDICK"

    Walter: hahhahah

    Griffith: "Among the many pupils that Ittōsai trained, one such was his successor, Ono Tadaaki, who would go on to serve Tokugawa. The Itō-ryū style is grounded for some in Zen influence due to Ono Tadaaki's contact with the famed Buddhist priest, Takuan Sōhō. "
    Fucker REALLY got around. =)

    Walter: yeah thats something i noticed recently too

    Griffith: BTW, you going to reply in 276?

    Walter: i will, but ill wait a half day =)

    Griffith: heh heh
    Title: Current Episodes Thread
    Post by: Bekul on July 09, 2009, 04:56:46 AM
    I wonder if we might be being shown two different types of high-level strength. Ito's being the wild sort that Musashi had been pursuing, while now - well, Musashi has certainly changed, since his time in the cell. His strength isn't just the wild-beast type it was at Sekigahara and for most of his career, anymore.
    Title: Current Episodes Thread
    Post by: slan69 on July 09, 2009, 09:40:30 AM
    I really didn't like granny but this part made me feel for her when she died, it was definitely a sad moment in the series  :sad:
    Title: Current Episodes Thread
    Post by: Griffith on July 09, 2009, 07:34:25 PM
    Yeah, it made me sympathize with and understand both of them much more. Put things in perspective.



    I wonder if we might be being shown two different types of high-level strength. Ito's being the wild sort that Musashi had been pursuing, while now - well, Musashi has certainly changed, since his time in the cell. His strength isn't just the wild-beast type it was at Sekigahara and for most of his career, anymore.

    I know what you mean, of the masters seen in the story, and Walter might not agree with this, Ito is the one who has sort of an unrefined dark nature about him, or at least a rough edge. He reminds me of Musashi and his father, except unlike them, he seems to purposely indulge and relish whatever impurities he might have about him. He called the sword a game and always seemed particularly interested in the mortal combat aspect of it rather than any philosophical enlightenment by the sword, though in his irreverence, he has his own kind of enlightenment. That's probably why he's most interesting.

    Speaking of which, from the conversations thread:

    Walter: yeah we dont see Ittos other arm either btw
    just checked

    Griffith: I noticed.
    When he stands, it's most noticable.

    Walter: i wasnt sure. thought it was me overthinking it
    just that one arm seems to badass it's... overcompensating

    Griffith: No, not yet.
    Page 8 is where it's most glaring.

    Walter: yeah, the fabric is just sitting there
    hanging, rather
    Poor Itto... I hope we're wrong =(

    Griffith: Well, I'm most concerned we don't see anything coming out.

    Walter: ?

    Griffith: A hand or fingers, the fabric looks fine otherwise.
    Like in the previous, it's flowing out as if there were something there.
    It's not hanging flat.
    Including the last ep

    Walter: ah
    yeah, looks like theres SOMEthing there.

    Griffith: So, is that shape an arm, or a lack of an arm!?

    Walter: Mechanical arm, huh? It's groooovy

    Griffith: Could be either.
    Fabrics just flowing to the ground, making it look full, and impossible to see with black.
    Which could very well be the intent behind that color choice./
    It would give a whole new context to their encounter, and the advice he could give Musashi.
    "Don't become me."

    Walter: ahahaha

    Griffith: I'm pretty much going to be surprised if he has an arm at this point now.
    Inoue loves that stuff.
    Like Kohei's scar.
    The same wind is going to blow Ito's sleeve around so Musashi can go, "!!"

    Walter: itll come at a cool moment im sure
    the reveal
    thats my awesome prediction
    "itll be cool"

    Griffith: Unless he just shows his left arm in the next, "Damn sleeve is too long!"

    So, anyone think Kojiro cut off Ito's arm, or does he just need a better tailor? =)
    Title: Current Episodes Thread
    Post by: TheBranded1 on July 09, 2009, 08:02:56 PM


    I"m going to say he has no arm. Otaguro's master perhaps.  :ganishka:
    Title: Current Episodes Thread
    Post by: Walter on July 09, 2009, 08:55:51 PM
    Perhaps that's what Ito needs in order to get something out of him; it's an interesting contrast to the way Ito was pursued by lesser swordsman and spites them for it, while in this case, a peer ignores him and his antics and Ito ends up pursuing after him. Playing hard to get might be the way with Ito. =)
    Conversely, their meeting could mean more for Ito than it does for Musashi.

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    I can see it both ways, that he wouldn't want to fight Musashi if he couldn't experience him at full strength, or if he'd relish the challenge regardless, injuries being part of "the game" and all. Maybe he'll advise Musashi on how to handle himself in that condition.
    I don't personally think this encounter will end in a fight. I think they're both wounded tigers.

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    I love Ito in his "harassing cheerful" mode and am very happy with the way things have turned conversational.
    They may have turned conversational, but until then it really looks like Itto is goading Musashi, criticizing him even.

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    As I said before, they're like kindred spirits to me, and Ito certainly seems in good spirits having met Musashi again.
    Yeah, all this time I've always thought it would be Kojiro and Ittosai that would have a reunion. I hadn't given much thought to Musashi being the one to find him. And in this case, it's a welcome surprise :guts:

    I know what you mean, of the masters seen in the story, and Walter might not agree with this, Ito is the one who has sort of an unrefined dark nature about him, or at least a rough edge. He reminds me of Musashi and his father, except unlike them, he seems to purposely indulge and relish whatever impurities he might have about him. He called the sword a game and always seemed particularly interested in the mortal combat aspect of it rather than any philosophical enlightenment by the sword, though in his irreverence, he has his own kind of enlightenment. That's probably why he's most interesting.
    That's more or less what I pick up from Ittosai's personality. He's not in this game for enlightenment, like these fancy Zen swordsmen. He just enjoys the ride, and the lifestyle

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    So, anyone think Kojiro cut off Ito's arm, or does he just need a better tailor? =)
    A fascinating possibility! I sure hope that's not it though ...
    Title: Current Episodes Thread
    Post by: slan69 on July 09, 2009, 09:00:57 PM
    I definitely sympathize with Matahachi now that he has changed his act from what he used to be, although it took him quite the time but I am glad he did that  :serpico:
    Title: Current Episodes Thread
    Post by: Griffith on July 09, 2009, 09:44:46 PM
    Yeah, it's been a long time coming, but it's ended up not being too far off what we potentially saw for him. You should read the Matahatch thread if you haven't yet, I'd like to read your thoughts as someone that's freshly read the series:

    http://www.skullknight.net/forum/index.php?topic=9926.0



    Conversely, their meeting could mean more for Ito than it does for Musashi.

    That's a good point, Musashi might possess what's missing to truly complete Ittosai.

    I don't personally think this encounter will end in a fight. I think they're both wounded tigers.

    Well, we don't know that for sure. Anyway, I'm still dubious of your no action guarantees after Berserk 181. Are you willing to bet your flip flops on it!? =)

    They may have turned conversational, but until then it really looks like Itto is goading Musashi, criticizing him even.

    Well, that's still a conversation, heh. I'm curious what you're specifically able to read aside from the obvious body language, to Ito mention his name in Musashi's presence for instance?

    Yeah, all this time I've always thought it would be Kojiro and Ittosai that would have a reunion. I hadn't given much thought to Musashi being the one to find him. And in this case, it's a welcome surprise :guts:

    Yeah, I don't know why I've always thought these two should/would meet again, probably just one of many cool "what if"s that's happened to come true. Actually, it's not a totally random thought now that I think about it, because of their encounter in 18 and the way it ended. Always wanted to see what Ito would think of what became of the beast that got away! Speaking of what ifs, imagine if Musashi, er Takezo, had joined their little party? Now that'd be a helluva school!

    That's more or less what I pick up from Ittosai's personality. He's not in this game for enlightenment, like these fancy Zen swordsmen. He just enjoys the ride, and the lifestyle

    He's like the Wylad of master swordsmen! :ganishka:

    A fascinating possibility! I sure hope that's not it though ...

    I'm basically just totally cribbing the Kohei situation, though it would be consistent. At least then we'd get to see them have another encounter, it's hard to see Inoue taking the time to send Ito to him now that he's off to be a retainer. If the story we're still expanding, and not contracting soon, as we suspect, it'd be possible, but...

    BTW, think Ito will possibly be at the duel, sort of an official rep of Kojiro, to see how he fares?
    Title: Current Episodes Thread
    Post by: TheBranded1 on July 10, 2009, 03:16:43 PM


    Translation finished! So, Itto knows of what Musashi has done with the Yoshioka. Itto seems to be glad about it. Seems to me is the old Itto as always, when he asked about if Mushi drank sake and if not he said, "Want to play" :ganishka:
    I wonder if Itto was coming from the Yagyu and will deliver some bad news for Musashi?
    Title: Current Episodes Thread
    Post by: Walter on July 10, 2009, 03:35:44 PM
    I wonder if Itto was coming from the Yagyu and will deliver some bad news for Musashi?
    Ahh, I hope that's not the case. But it could very well be so. And then, Musashi may actually consider a partnership with this manly badass :carcus:

    Well, seems we were all wrong about the nature of this meeting. Itto just wants to partner with the strongest in Japan. But... I wonder how this will end for both of them. Itto still has things to do with his life, so I doubt he'll end up dead.
    Title: Current Episodes Thread
    Post by: Bekul on July 10, 2009, 07:30:29 PM
    I don't think Ito is the type to pass up the opportunity to have a serious match with 'the strongest in Japan'.
    Title: Current Episodes Thread
    Post by: Griffith on July 10, 2009, 07:50:01 PM
    So, Itto knows of what Musashi has done with the Yoshioka. Itto seems to be glad about it. Seems to me is the old Itto as always, when he asked about if Mushi drank sake and if not he said, "Want to play" :ganishka:

    Haha, yeah, the last part was a strange choice of words, especially with himself hanging out and all... good thing Musashi got away from that creepy old man. :guts:

    I wonder if Itto was coming from the Yagyu and will deliver some bad news for Musashi?

    Yeah, it was something even to consider in this episode before the translation, if Ito wasn't delivering Musashi ill tidings.

    Ahh, I hope that's not the case. But it could very well be so. And then, Musashi may actually consider a partnership with this manly badass :carcus:

    I don't know, just look at his initial reaction.

    Well, seems we were all wrong about the nature of this meeting.

    Actually, this was pretty much how I originally saw it, that Ito was basically being friendly, if not too familiar, and just rubbed Musashi the wrong way. I never really bought into the taunt, first because I didn't think Ito would have any reason to look down on Musashi (his type of guy, obviously), and we should have known for sure because if Ito had challenged Musashi like that, there's no way he would have just walked away. The second someone wants to be friends though, he's outta there. =)

    Itto just wants to partner with the strongest in Japan. But... I wonder how this will end for both of them. Itto still has things to do with his life, so I doubt he'll end up dead.

    Yeah, I can't say I see them being "partners" for long, if at all. As we've seen, Musashi just doesn't go for that sort of thing, and neither does Ito really, despite his excitement here. He really just wants to measure himself against Musashi... maybe even literally? :troll:

    I don't think Ito is the type to pass up the opportunity to have a serious match with 'the strongest in Japan'.

    Yeah, he was already nudging things in that direction when Musashi split. I think Musashi was quite right not to trust Ito.
    Title: Current Episodes Thread
    Post by: Walter on July 13, 2009, 04:33:16 PM
    I was just looking at the preview pages, and really can't tell what pages they were based on. Anyone else?
    Title: Current Episodes Thread
    Post by: Griffith on July 13, 2009, 05:07:19 PM
    Looks like the first sketch is pages 6 and 7, and the second sketch pages 12 and 13.
    Title: Current Episodes Thread
    Post by: TheBranded1 on July 13, 2009, 05:18:42 PM
    Looks like the first sketch is pages 6 and 7, and the second sketch pages 12 and 13.

    Yeah I see the same thing. Walter "see everything effortlessly" :ganishka:
    Title: Current Episodes Thread
    Post by: Griffith on July 14, 2009, 08:05:45 PM
    I will admit some personal bias against Ueda having tainted my rationale here. But that's all part of the experience of being a reader. I'm susceptible to feeling negative toward a particular character, just as you are toward Matahachi.
    What? Me and Matay? We're cool, didn't you see my glowing review of his most recent appearance? (http://www.skullknight.net/griffith/mushi.gif)

    I understand that Ueda is representing the perspective of those caught in the wake of Musashi's spiral. And Ueda is special of course, because he did not fade away like the others, but had the strong will to cling on just to haunt/investigate Musashi. I also understand the literary benefits of having an alternate, critical perspective of our protagonist. However, when you cut down to the chase, I can't see how his ultimate revelation on Musashi's nature will be unique for the readers. I fail to see the payoff, and I admit it is premature.

    It's more than premature because we're not even sure what we're dealing with her so far as of yet, let alone how it's going to further develop. As is always the case, the official translation of 29 put everything, including Ueda's feelings and role, into much clearer light, and he barely even got started until volume 30. I went over just the fan translations for it last night, and even though they leave something to be desire, I still think you're way off base here. Anyway, I find your expectations, or lack thereof, disturbing. =)

    But as I began the post by saying, I will question every step of Ueda's development because I simply don't like that a defeated loser is peering over Musashi's shoulder criticizing his every move. It's genuinely unsettling to me -- especially for someone who's fallen from grace as much as Ueda has. I find his air of superiority nauseating given his current circumstance. When Ueda finally realizes for himself that Musashi is on the right path and gives up his futile haunt, maybe then I'll have enough respect for him to applaud this effort.  But for now, all I can do is frown in distaste on these scenes.

    Well, that's a heavy bias to weigh down those scenes with rather than being open to them as they come. Not only a bias against Ueda, but one in favor of for Musashi, like he's above reproach here. Musashi's slaying of 70 men hasn't exactly been followed up by him basking in the glory of victory and enlightenment, anything but, with even Musashi himself questioning whether he's even the winner. On the flipside, I also wouldn't reduce Ueda to just some bitter loser complaining either, his role and feelings concerning Musashi have only grown more complex and nuanced. He's not even rooting against him, per se.


    UPDATE:

    Would someone please translate the title of 271 for the Inn's volumes section (http://www.skullknight.net/forum/index.php?topic=9973.0)?

    (http://www.skullknight.net/griffith/271.jpg)
    Title: Current Episodes Thread
    Post by: TheBranded1 on July 14, 2009, 08:15:46 PM



    UPDATE:

    Would someone please translate the title of 271 for the Inn's volumes section (http://www.skullknight.net/forum/index.php?topic=9973.0)?

    (http://www.skullknight.net/griffith/271.jpg)


    Wasn't the title of 271 in the translation or that is incorrectly translated? I have it as "The shadow of the spiral"
    Title: Current Episodes Thread
    Post by: Griffith on July 14, 2009, 10:53:56 PM
    That's a separate piece of text, and from the look of it, not identical to the episode title, though I could be wrong. I'd like it confirmed in any case.
    Title: Current Episodes Thread
    Post by: TheBranded1 on July 14, 2009, 11:19:10 PM
    That's a separate piece of text, and from the look of it, not identical to the episode title, though I could be wrong. I'd like it confirmed in any case.

    I went to dictionary.com to find out for sure. I say it's similar but the translation might not be so accurate, but close enough. We'll see when Viz does it.


        (http://img166.imageshack.us/img166/9881/translation.th.jpg) (http://img166.imageshack.us/img166/9881/translation.jpg) 
    Title: Current Episodes Thread
    Post by: Walter on July 14, 2009, 11:22:03 PM
    We'll see when Viz does it.
    Viz still needs to do vol 30  :azan:
    Title: Current Episodes Thread
    Post by: Griffith on July 14, 2009, 11:28:47 PM
    Wally, can you make anything out of it?
    Title: Current Episodes Thread
    Post by: Walter on July 14, 2009, 11:31:42 PM
    Wally, can you make anything out of it?
    Top right of that page is: "Rasen no Kage" (螺旋の影) which translates to "Shadow of the Spiral."

    However, as you've pointed out, that's not the chapter title. The lower portion, which you've highlighted in this thread is "#271 Wa no Naka" (#271 環の中) Here's what the online kanji dictionary I use (source: http://jisho.org/) says about it:

    環      (わ)     
    1:  ring; circle; loop;
    2: hoop;
    3: wheel


    (nearly always means 'of')

    中      (なか)     
    1:  inside; in;
    2: among; within;
    3: center (centre); middle;
    4: during; while


    So, I'd say it's "Within the Ring," or very literally "Inside of Ring." Which makes sense given the events of the chapter.

    On an unrelated note, I just noticed that the lettering in Japanese for Ueda's words is more elegant than Musashi's, and really anyone else's. The afterlife must enhance your brushstroke abilities.
    Title: Current Episodes Thread
    Post by: Griffith on July 15, 2009, 12:34:58 AM
    Much obliged for the research, "Within the Ring" it is then, which as you say, makes perfect sense given the events of the episode. In looking at the other episode titles, it's an interesting mix of literal things like this, more obscure references to the episode or something in it, and then the totally off the wall titles that you'd never guess, which makes guessing any episode title that much more difficult, because you never know which type Inoue will go with. I think a great combination of all three traits can be found in the title of episode 163: Six O'Clock at Sekigahara. Literal, sure, an obscure thing to reference, yeah, and I never would have guessed that was the title either. =)

    Perhaps it's the translation, for example, Dawn at Sekihahara wouldn't raise an eyebrow.

    On an unrelated note, I just noticed that the lettering in Japanese for Ueda's words is more elegant than Musashi's, and really anyone else's. The afterlife must enhance your brushstroke abilities.

    Interesting, does hold true for the previous episodes? Or even when Ueda was alive?
    Title: Current Episodes Thread
    Post by: Walter on July 15, 2009, 12:56:01 AM
    On the whole, I'd say Inoue's chapter titles are pretty straightforward, and often even borrow from exact phrases said in the chapters. But yeah, he will wax poetic every now and then.

    Interesting, does hold true for the previous episodes? Or even when Ueda was alive?
    Nah, it's definitely different once he's dead. It's really not so surprising, or notable. I believe it just signifies it's a different kind of "speech" being used, and probably would even sound different, based on the weird bubbles Inoue uses around them. It's just a cool detail that they even use a different, more elegant font.

    (http://skullknight.net/images/ueda-text1.jpg)

    vs

    (http://skullknight.net/images/ueda-text2.jpg)

    Note the blockier kanji and brush strokes when alive, and overall more hand-written look of the afterlife Ueda.
    Title: Current Episodes Thread
    Post by: Griffith on July 15, 2009, 08:17:40 AM
    On the whole, I'd say Inoue's chapter titles are pretty straightforward, and often even borrow from exact phrases said in the chapters. But yeah, he will wax poetic every now and then.

    Yeah, for comparisons sake, I'd say Miura more often will have the more poetic or at least thematic titles for individual episodes, while the trick with Inoue is what straightforward thing he highlights, because sometimes it's small or not even central to the episode. Sort of like how his between episode doodles in the volumes will emphasize things perhaps not foremost on our minds.

    Nah, it's definitely different once he's dead. It's really not so surprising, or notable. I believe it just signifies it's a different kind of "speech" being used, and probably would even sound different, based on the weird bubbles Inoue uses around them. It's just a cool detail that they even use a different, more elegant font.

    Kind of the equivalent of adding a slight singsong echo to ghost voices in the movies? =)

    "Muuuuuussssaaaaashhiiiiiiiiii OOooooOooooOoooooooooo!"



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    Quote
    〆 cut on the eve of the day and 5,6書KIMASHITARA can eat food, you get fat?
    Was heard.
    And not the other way other than actually is the same weight.
    For the body, what's not going to bring in food from溜ME込MOU soon.
    This is the way to active metabolism.
    The amount of food we eat is not always DOKATTO.
    The adult male may be slightly less.


    2009.7.16
    Inoue Takehiko



    Shit just got real. :daiba:

    Ito finally introduces himself, which brings Musashi, shocked, to his feet. They exchange a few words but Ito quickly gets serious. It seems he did visit the Yagyu and the old man himself, where he... basically pulls a knife on our favorite geezer! But, unless Ito was just imagining the whole thing, old Yagyu pulled his usual Jedi mind trick and sent Ito packing to his waterfall to contemplate how much cooler Yagyu is than him. It ends with Ito and Musashi face to face, the wind is blowing, and perhaps the spiral is descending...


    So, good news, Yagyu is still alive and Hyogo is with him. Potential bad news, still no proof that Ito has a working right arm, though on pages four through six he appears to simply have it stuck in his pocket, it's still becoming a telling lack of evidence at this point. Worse news, only one more episode before the volume break!
    Title: Current Episodes Thread
    Post by: TheBranded1 on July 15, 2009, 01:48:34 PM



    Looks very promising. Indeed Itto's arm seems to be just hiding, injury?Wants to test the strength of his left are for now? So when he encounters Musashi drinking water that's when he was reflecting he just got owned by Yagyu. Good to know Yagyu stilll around. :guts:
    Title: Current Episodes Thread
    Post by: Walter on July 15, 2009, 04:04:05 PM
    WOW! A surprise face-to-face meeting of two of the most awesome characters in the series. I know we discussed this as a possibility, but nothing prepared me for seeing Itto and Sekishusai sitting down together, chatting it up :guts: .

    Here's my impression of the chapter, though obviously there's no translation yet, so this is bound to be wrong in some regard. But I could catch a few key phrases.

    Musashi recognizes Ittosai's name, and calls him one of the strongest. Itto said he can't claim that title anymore, and tells him about his encounter with Yagyu. Itto is granted audience with Sekishusai after the Yagyu disciple (the one resembling a bear, can't remember his name!) recognizes his name. Itto and Sekishusai talk about the "greatest under the sun." Itto challenges Sekishusai's belief that the sword is nothing. So, Itto whips his out and threatens him. Sekishusai says it is still nothing, and Itto becomes overwhelmed with his presence, similar to how Musashi was when they first met.

    I'd really like to know the final phrase Itto says before the chapter ends... It will probably set the tone for the next chapter. I have the kanji broken down (もうこれが最後かも知れぬ), but I don't know how to put it all together in a cohesive manner. Roughly, it's something like "this is my final/conclusion of wisdom/knowledge." So... yeah. Final revelation?
    Title: Current Episodes Thread
    Post by: TheBranded1 on July 15, 2009, 06:26:33 PM


    What I got from breaking it down how it is in the text bubble is this

    もうこれが Already this
    最後かも  Whether end
    知れぬ  You cannot know

    So, you think it could say " I don't know if this is the end for me" Oh well, we'll find out something better than this soon.
    Title: Current Episodes Thread
    Post by: Griffith on July 15, 2009, 08:29:17 PM
    Walter: awesome chapter.

    Griffith: Oh yeah.

    Walter: Poor Itto =(
    It's strange to see him get schooled.

    Griffith: Well, like I said, he's always reminded me more of Musashi and his Dad then the real enlightened geezers. =)
    But yeah, it's sorry to see him acknowledge it.
    "less than"

    Walter: i told Aaz this was like SK and Void sitting down for a talk.

    Griffith: Because I thought he had his own enlightenment, despite maybe being more on "the dark side." =)

    Walter: yeah, me too.

    Griffith: Darth Itto!

    Walter: but, it makes sense.

    Griffith: Yeah.
    BTW, if you felt bad for him now...

    Walter: he did have his own path. and when he put his mind against Yagyu, he came up short.

    Griffith: wait til you see the photoshop I did. =)

    Walter: oh?
    youd better not sully Ito!

    Griffith: haha
    I have two versions, one maybe does, the other no.
    I went with the cool one.

    Griffith:
    (http://www.skullknight.net/griffith/itofinalmission.jpg)
    There's the embarrassing alternative.

    Walter: SAIMONO MI-SHUN

    Griffith: So, you agree with my choice?
    Or should I switch them up!

    Walter: i like the mouth open one, strangely =)

    Griffith: Well then.
    He looks like Saddam with the open mouth.
    Maybe that's part of the Ito love, we're combining their crazy. =)

    Walter: hahahaha

    Griffith: Switched to the open mouth
    Big Mouth Bass Ito!

    Walter: good choice.
    I GOT A BIG ONE!

    Griffith: I was only holding it back not to offend you. =)
    Since he looks like he's going to throw up to boot

    Walter: nah, its in good fun

    Griffith: I wonder if it isn't far off.
    “KAMAAN MUSASHI, KIILL MEEEE!!!!"

    Walter: "Add my name to your kill roster..."

    Griffith: "I'M HEEEERREEE!”
    This is new ground for Musashi.
    He has old masters hunting him now. =)

    Walter: he looked really surprised, yeah
    Ito Ittosai...?!
    then Ito looks bored, hahahah

    Griffith: Yeah, disappointed that Musashi is impressed. =)

    Walter: hahahah

    Griffith: "That's below you, isn't it?"
    "You killed 70 men."

    Walter: i wonder how he'd score Yagyu =)
    10,001

    Griffith: Yeah, Yagyu made Ito seem like one of those punks that used to pursue him. =)

    Walter: im actually really surprised Shoda (thanks for reminding me) even admitted him.
    even given his name.

    Griffith: He was always too cool for school, but Yagyu was even cooler.

    Walter: maybe he thought Sekishusai could talk some sense into him.

    Griffith: haha

    Walter: anyway, im of course anxious for a translation
    though i think i pretty much know what's been said.

    Griffith: I like how Yagyu is somehow less tethered, yet better dedicated to the way.
    Like Ito is too attached to the sword itself.
    "I don't care about that thing."
    "STILL don't care?"
    "...Nah."

    Walter: yep =)
    Yagyu looks like it's an awkward situation too, hahah
    "Oh, youre one of ... those people."
    I imagine he'll get excited when Mushi visits.

    Griffith: Yeah, like Ito's embarrassing.
    As if he crapped himself in Yagyu's home or something.
    Still wearing Otsu's hat too. =)

    Walter: awwww

    Griffith: We only have one more episode then Inoue's on break too. =(
    Bad timing.
    Miura and Inoue need to coordinate.

    Walter: yep...

    Griffith: So, what do you think happens here?
    Million dollar question.

    Walter: you mean next?

    Griffith: Yeah, between Musashi and Ito.

    Walter: if youd asked me last chapter, id say it would come down to a fight
    but ... now he seems a little defeated.
    i wonder if he'll try to convince Mushi away from the path.
    and hell show his arm as emphasis =)

    Griffith: I don't know about that, he still wanted to fight just last episode. =)
    I don't think Ito is going to go the Jisai route.
    If anything... he’d want a blaze of glory.
    That tells you where I think it's going.
    Though I don't know that Musashi will accommodate, this might be his lesson in not fighting, or at least not killing.

     Walter: thats true. on reflection, i really dont see this ending in bloodshed.
    Title: Current Episodes Thread
    Post by: TheBranded1 on July 16, 2009, 04:24:40 PM


    Remember in the last page in 276 Itto asked Musashi if he was setting off to Yagyu. I am guesssing in 277 Itto talks about what is Musashi trying to accomplish by going there. Then, we get that flashback of Itto at the Yagyu and explaining to Musashi what he accomplished by having that meeting with Sekishusai. Since the breaks is coming, I"m thinking Inoue will end it with Musashi finally arriving and meeting with Sekishusai and Hyogo.
    Title: Current Episodes Thread
    Post by: Griffith on July 17, 2009, 08:04:55 AM
    WOW! A surprise face-to-face meeting of two of the most awesome characters in the series. I know we discussed this as a possibility, but nothing prepared me for seeing Itto and Sekishusai sitting down together, chatting it up :guts: .

    Yeah, I figured Ito must have some news of Yagyu, being there himself, but actually seeing them together... and neither disappointed.

    Here's my impression of the chapter, though obviously there's no translation yet, so this is bound to be wrong in some regard. But I could catch a few key phrases.

    Musashi recognizes Ittosai's name, and calls him one of the strongest. Itto said he can't claim that title anymore, and tells him about his encounter with Yagyu. Itto is granted audience with Sekishusai after the Yagyu disciple (the one resembling a bear, can't remember his name!) recognizes his name. Itto and Sekishusai talk about the "greatest under the sun." Itto challenges Sekishusai's belief that the sword is nothing. So, Itto whips his out and threatens him. Sekishusai says it is still nothing, and Itto becomes overwhelmed with his presence, similar to how Musashi was when they first met.

    Sounds good to me, and nice to see Ito gets more respect from the likes of Shoda than Den or Musashi, despite looking the gruffest of all. Anyway, Ito's devil may care style has finally been thrown back in his face. It's kind of ironic, for all of Ito's irreverence, it's like he somehow still cares more for the stuffy traditions of the sword than... what should be a stuffy old man of the sword. He's been out-cooled by grandpa, in old person "I don't give a shit" fashion.

    I'd really like to know the final phrase Itto says before the chapter ends... It will probably set the tone for the next chapter. I have the kanji broken down (もうこれが最後かも知れぬ), but I don't know how to put it all together in a cohesive manner. Roughly, it's something like "this is my final/conclusion of wisdom/knowledge." So... yeah. Final revelation?

    (http://www.skullknight.net/griffith/itofinalmission2.jpg)

    "This is my final..." (http://www.skullknight.net/griffith/mgs4finalmission.wav)



    UPDATE: Translation's out, and as usual, we were way off base, and as usual, for the better. =)

    Very cool stuff. Anyway, ITO LIVES, and I definitely think he's bored and looking for a fight. My favorite part: Sekishusai's retort to Ito and his reaction made me chortle aloud, especially after all that heavy, literally eye-roll inducing, philosophical talk, I loved it.
    Title: Current Episodes Thread
    Post by: slan69 on July 17, 2009, 09:32:24 AM
    Awww I don't want Sekishusai to die he was a nice old man  :judo: Hmmmm I wonder what Musashi is talking about when he said this might be the end already, could he perhaps be talking about the fact that he cannot walk properly anymore so even he cannot try and become unrivaled under heaven like Yagyu Sekishusai. What are your guys thought's about this ?
    Title: Current Episodes Thread
    Post by: TheBranded1 on July 17, 2009, 04:00:40 PM

    I wonder if Itto was coming from the Yagyu and will deliver some bad news for Musashi?
    I"m not going to say I called it, but I kinda was in the area.

    What are your guys thought's about this ?
    This episode was nice! I Like what Musashi said to Ittosai. "Are you the real one, you're still alive too?" :ganishka:
    I like the chat Itto and Yagyu had. Yagyu rocks! So, if this is the end of the "unrivaled under heaven", is it also the birth of another "unrivaled under heaven"?
    Title: Current Episodes Thread
    Post by: Griffith on July 20, 2009, 10:47:49 PM
    Awww I don't want Sekishusai to die he was a nice old man  :judo:

    Yeah, and still quite the card from what we see, I really appreciate his last line about how he wants to die and Hyogo's reaction. Speaking of, if the worst comes to be and Sekishusai has passed by the time Musashi reaches them, if he even decides to go still, hopefully he can still properly introduce himself to Hyogo finally.

    Oh, and Slan, no need to spoiler tag in new episode threads unless it's the initial summary. It's buyer beware in here.

    Hmmmm I wonder what Musashi is talking about when he said this might be the end already, could he perhaps be talking about the fact that he cannot walk properly anymore so even he cannot try and become unrivaled under heaven like Yagyu Sekishusai. What are your guys thought's about this ?

    First, I'm not sure Musashi's speaking there, I think it's likely Ittosai, though it's confusing, particularly the top of page 19 where it says something like, "unrivaled under the heavens" "he takes it to the extreme." In the context of everything else on the page, I'm not sure if that's Ittosai talking about Yagyu or Yagyu talking about Ittosai. Anyway, as for what it means, I think Ito is just being fatalistic about the state of the sword and where it's headed after his encounter with Yagyu. I also think he's referring to his encounter with Musashi now, as in, this might be the end for one or both of them, and as we saw in his conversation with Yagyu, Ittosai certainly sees himself as one, if not the one, on top, and he recognizes Musashi is right up there with him.

    I"m not going to say I called it, but I kinda was in the area.
    On the Sekishisai front, I wonder if Ito might also reveal something there about Yagyu

    I'll say the same. :guts:

    This episode was nice! I Like what Musashi said to Ittosai. "Are you the real one, you're still alive too?" :ganishka:

    Haha, yeah, that was great, poor Ittosai, he's not the type that ages gracefully. What's funny is that's almost the exact same thing Gonnosuke said to him when he found out who he was, "You're still alive!?"

    I like the chat Itto and Yagyu had. Yagyu rocks! So, if this is the end of the "unrivaled under heaven", is it also the birth of another "unrivaled under heaven"?

    Their chat was easily the highlight, and as for the end of Yagyu, it's hard say what Ito really meant when he said Yagyu was dead already, if he was being literal and the old man has passed since their encounter, if he's merely lying to goad Musashi into a fight, or if he's referring to Yagyu's old age, retirement, and illness. After all, Yagyu might be dead to Ittosai because Ittosai wanted to fight him, while Musashi wants to engage his mind.



    Remember in the last page in 276 Itto asked Musashi if he was setting off to Yagyu. I am guesssing in 277 Itto talks about what is Musashi trying to accomplish by going there. Then, we get that flashback of Itto at the Yagyu and explaining to Musashi what he accomplished by having that meeting with Sekishusai. Since the breaks is coming, I"m thinking Inoue will end it with Musashi finally arriving and meeting with Sekishusai and Hyogo.

    I don't know about that, it'd be quite a jump from where we are now, not implausible, but not my expectation with the outcome of this Ito encounter still in front of us. I don't want Inoue to cut/sell this short.



    Griffith: yo
    38 hours away from the finish of volume 31!

    Walter: ?
    278 is the final chapter, you mean?

    Griffith: Yep

    Walter: pretty sure itll be Wed. ?

    Griffith: Well, last week it come in just around 2am here.
    Tuesday night/wed morning.

    Walter: ah
    i have to say, I didnt quite GET 277

    Walter: "How boring..."

    Griffith: Not the first time Ito's expressed that.
    One of the first thing he says to Kojiro on their journey is, "Don't go too fast, or you'll get bored."
    He's talking about the world in general.

    Walter: i guess i didnt quite see what he took away from his encounter with Yagyu.

    Griffith: I mean, he was literally crying about how lonely he was in his 20's, just before humiliating his own master.

    Walter: It went over my head.

    Griffith: Yeah, I'm not quite sure either.
    But, I don't think he felt defeated, just... flummoxed.
    More like Yagyu defeated the sword in general.

    Walter: "is that all there is"

    Griffith: Or at least the way Ito sees it.
    I don't think Musashi would feel the same way.

    Walter: also, potentially the biggest revelation here...
    Yagyu is ... dead?
    Are we to believe that?

    Griffith: Again, not sure.
    Ito =)
    Ito-fukker
    Could be lying, could be saying he's dead as far as fighting goes, or maybe he just died shortly thereafter and Ito heard of it.
    I think Musashi will understand what he means though.
    I don't think it's too far off from Musashi's own revelation.
    The heat haze.

    Walter: wtf with Yagyu's line...

    Griffith: Ito's at the point in the RPG when he's at lvl 99, has beat the boss, has all the items, and is just wandering around aimlessly now on his final save file. =)

    Walter: "But thatd be the case even if you were a giant bear, or something ..."
    surely theres a better translation =)
    Or something

    Griffith: haha
    I like that one though.
    Count our blessings.
    "Or... SLOGG!"
    Ito: "!?"
    I thought it put things in perfect perspective, especially since Ito had no interest in what Yagyu was saying otherwise.
    He was being totally serious, but I like to think it was also Yagyu's way of yawning and rolling his eyes at Ito. =)

    Walter: or is it, youre no better than a savage?
    just a mindless animal?

    Griffith: Could be that too, in any case, Ito was being asinine.

    Walter: well, it still seems unclear to me.
    cant say i learned anything as a result.
    havent been this confused since I thought Mushi had a cold.

    Griffith: Hmmm, well, i'm not sure what else there is to understand, in sports parlance, "it is what it is"
    I found it wholly satisfying, even if we've yet to fully see what Ito took away.
    For instance, like I said, I don't think he felt defeated, but certainly frustrated, but I can't tell if it's from admiration or disappointment or both.

    Walter: im a little disappointed, but the encounter isnt over yet.
    3:45 PM also, its a foregone conclusion that Ito is lacking an arm.
    draws with his left hand. dead giveaway.
     
    Griffith: Really, YOUR disappointed?
    I was talking about Ito.

    Walter: oh i know
    i was transitioning

    Griffith: I thought it was much better than we initially thought.

    Walter: i expected their talk to be a little more substantial.
    or at least comprehensible. i think the translation may be getting in the way of a cool moment.

    Griffith: Oh, it was still cool to me.
    I think you want something from Ito he doesn't have to offer.
    Not in that setting.
    We'll get his best with Musashi though maybe.
    It's the same reason a sit down with Void and Skully wouldn't be interesting in practice, Skully would just try to cut Void's brain in half. =)

    Walter: admittedly, my expectations were unrealistically high. but i still feel that I'm just missing some crucial aspect of their talk.

    Griffith: I think it's the simplicity you're missing, or not appreciating.
    Who knows though, maybe Viz will reveal Yagyu was talking about Ito's spirit animal or something.

    Walter: lol
    "I'm a ... bear?!"
    Shoda: "No..!"
    it took me that long to find Shoda's name, which I keep forgetting...
    ruined the comedic timing.
    like a prolonged DC response.

    Griffith: Come to think of it, Yagyu practically calls every other person he meets a bear. =)

    Walter: Ito: "I thought... I was a Tiger..?"

    Griffith: Anyway, I thought it was pretty perfect.
    I wouldn't think anyting "more", as in, philo babble, would have gotten to Ito any better.
    As we saw already.
    YAWN
     
    Walter: like I said, I still dont understand what was said, the significance of it.

    Griffith: That his being able to kill Yagyu at this stage didn't mean anything.
    It was just silly for him to even try to contest him.
    Basically, "What would that prove?"
    Or more generally, and full circle to what he was trying to tell Ito before, "What's the point?" which is what Musashi is questioning, and which I think is now vexing Ito.

    Walter: ah, well... i think there's still somethng that hasnt been stated outright yet. for example
    Ito hasnt acknowledged that superior presence of Yagyu, exhibited when he mentions the bear.
    basically, Ito believes he and Yagyu are the top two in the world.
    but either he's seen there's more to do, but its nothing to do with the sword and he's not interested, or he's seen that Yagyu has gone far beyond him.

    Griffith: Or maybe just that it's too late to find out.
    Plus, as we saw with Yoshioka, their way of life is going out of style anyway.

    Walter: and before that, in vol 18, with the gun incident.
    a more Ito-specific moment.
    yeah that would make more sense, regarding "the end' he refers to.
    id say it's definitely it. good call.
    See, this episode makes little sense without reasoning it out =)
    Dont know whether to blame Inoue, the translator, or my own denseness.

    Griffith: I don't know, I think you're just too much in the clouds on it.
    You're feeling dense because you're looking for a grander meaning that may not be there, at least not something of... on the level of some enlightenment.

    Walter: Ito's response, that wide-eyed stare, is what's making me look harder.
    It's something that took him by surprise.
    But Im just not seeing it.
    Title: Current Episodes Thread
    Post by: TheBranded1 on July 22, 2009, 03:53:56 PM
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    Or 心なし and 一刀 Akira comes out to brush of barrel, early
    That dark CARA is consumed the brush.

    Well this episode of 31 volume, will be time following preparations for a while.
    Please please.

    It is now doing the retouch fixes.

    31 Volume we scheduled September release.We are aiming at hit serial resume also.


    Title: Current Episodes Thread
    Post by: Griffith on July 22, 2009, 07:18:05 PM
     :mushihuh:

    Interesting sketches, a lot of dialogue to be sure, Ito looks at least mischievous if not ill-intentioned, Musashi looks taken aback, there's a few places where it even potentially looks like there could be some scuffling about, good natured or otherwise. The bottom left of the second looks the most like it could be serious action, then again, it could be anything from that to something amusing.

    It's as elusive as ever. :mushiugh:
    Title: Current Episodes Thread
    Post by: TheBranded1 on July 22, 2009, 08:14:27 PM


    It could be either way as you pointed out. I'm just going to say that Itto and Mushi still talk about Yagyu for a bit and then Itto returns to his old self and does one of those unforgettable lines. :ganishka:
    Title: Current Episodes Thread
    Post by: Griffith on July 22, 2009, 08:38:33 PM
     :mushigrin:

    Yeah, in the middle left of the first sketch page it looks like something like that is going on. I wouldn't bet on it, but it kind of looks like Ito is elbowing Musashi, while saying something ribald no doubt. I wonder if Ito will rate Musashi a score, perhaps 9,999, "Only one way to go up, Musashi." :mushieyes:
    Title: Current Episodes Thread
    Post by: TheBranded1 on July 26, 2009, 11:10:13 PM
    :mushigrin:

    Yeah, in the middle left of the first sketch page it looks like something like that is going on. I wouldn't bet on it, but it kind of looks like Ito is elbowing Musashi, while saying something ribald no doubt. I wonder if Ito will rate Musashi a score, perhaps 9,999, "Only one way to go up, Musashi." :mushieyes:

    With that elbowing you mention and also on the first page where Mushi seems surprised to me. Do you think Itto might also be inviting Musashi for some fun. I mean fun you know to go and get it on with some ladies. C'mon Mushi, relax yourself before having a chat with the old man.
    Title: Current Episodes Thread
    Post by: Griffith on July 27, 2009, 12:00:58 AM
    With that elbowing you mention and also on the first page where Mushi seems surprised to me. Do you think Itto might also be inviting Musashi for some fun. I mean fun you know to go and get it on with some ladies. C'mon Mushi, relax yourself before having a chat with the old man.

    Well, he already offered him some sake and... "play." :mushihuh:

    Seriously though, I'm more interested in what Ito would say if he found out Musashi was such a pure soul. Probably shocked and/or appalled, "Musashi, you could die and you haven't lived!" :mushilaugh:
    Title: Current Episodes Thread
    Post by: TheBranded1 on August 03, 2009, 04:29:35 PM

    WOW! We get the return of the circle,Ueda and the spiral :mushiguts: Oh,can't wait to read this conversation. Yagyu seems to be in pretty bad shape, but still alive :mushiguts:. Quite the ending for this episode. Will Itto enter the circle?
    I laughed at this pic.
    (http://img219.imageshack.us/img219/407/itto.jpg)
    Title: Current Episodes Thread
    Post by: Griffith on August 03, 2009, 06:20:25 PM
    Will Itto enter the circle?

    I definitely think he intends to. :mushigrin:

    Anyway, very cool and unique episode from the standpoint of seeing such powerful "beasts" being unleashed on each other.


    P.S. Why do some here abbreviate his last name "Itto" when his first name is Ito anyway? :mushihuh:
    Title: Current Episodes Thread
    Post by: Walter on August 03, 2009, 06:26:38 PM
    P.S. Why do some here abbreviate his last name "Itto" when his first name is Ito anyway? :mushihuh:
    I just use them conversely  :guts:
    Title: Current Episodes Thread
    Post by: Griffith on August 05, 2009, 07:03:10 AM
    Walter: Wow.
    that was awesome
    Super Sloggo!
    Itto Ittoslogg.
    Sloggo Sloggosai

    Griffith: They're going to SLOGG it out for sure, right?

    Walter: Slogg nuff.

    Griffith: I think Ito mocked Musashi's moment of hesitation. =)
    Well, it seems clear he did, I just wonder how much.
    Then again, it could mean anything.

    Walter: he could have a cold too

    Griffith: Yeah.
    Wheezing.
    Ito: rolleyes "Oh no, you're not on this enlightened warrior crap too, are you?"

    Walter: Sloggo, I choose you.

    Griffith: Face/Off: "Plan B, let's just kill each other."

    Walter: ughhh!
    What's with Sekishusai?

    Griffith: Looks like his... final move? =)

    Walter: =(

    Griffith: Well, hopefully not.
    The indirect message was he felt a disturbance in Musashi's force.
    Maybe now that Mushi has returned to the way of the circle, he recovered.

    Walter: i think that one shot of Otsu is very foreboding.

    Griffith: Yeah
    Final thought

    Walter: but Mushi's ears snap when it happens too.
    bad wording, but you know what i mean

    Griffith: yeah
    To me it was very symbiotic all around.
    Individual occurrences, but all related.

    Walter: page 9: ...Otsu. Otsu
    Welcome home Otsu.
    Okaeri can mean both Welcome Home or Return.
    Poor guy =(

    Griffith: That's good then.
    He's hanging on for her.

    Walter: his hat fell off
    or he took it off, cant tell

    Griffith: It seems placed on the floor in front of him.
    Ueda looks concerned too. =)

    Walter: yeah, but i couldn’t tell if it's in his hand or not. whether he took it off or it fell when he slouched.
    doesn’t REALLY matter, just wondering

    Griffith: Well, when I say placed, I mean it doesn't seem like it's just randomly fallen.
    It seems laid out flat.

    Walter: ah

    Griffith: Maybe he's reaching for it and has a bad spell.

    Walter: Stupid question: Why would Ittosai lie?

    Griffith: Maybe he wasn't lying.
    From a certain point of view. =)
    Either way, I think he wanted to get under Musashi's skin.

    Walter: ahh, i didnt get it until now
    Sekishusai leans over, mumbles about Otsu, there's that shot of Otsu, then Mushi's ear perks up. He asks Ittosai if he heard anything. Everyone looks at him like he's crazy. Itto even jokes "Pweeeeeee"
    reminiscent of the Yagyu battle.

    Griffith: Ahh
    Very interesting...
    Once again, the difference between a Musashi or a Yagyu and an Ittosai.
    Which begs the question... will Kojiro “hear” it? =)
    I bet he will.
    Or maybe he can't either and that's why Musashi will win, I don't know.

    Walter: Jiaiiiiiii



    I laughed at this pic.
    (http://img219.imageshack.us/img219/407/itto.jpg)

    I'd like to think it's Ito taking the opportunity to practice his bird calls (http://www.skullknight.net/griffith/chicken.wav).:mushigrin:

    I just use them conversely :mushiguts:

    It works as kind of clever combination/shorthand, still, it's like if I went by David Davidson and you called me Davids... wait, that's an even more clever shorthand, damn it! Anyway, Den does not approve. :den:



    Well, Musashi wonders if Ittosai might be more ARMed and dangerous than he lets on, and that's after Musashi already acknowledges him to be someone beyond his comprehension. It's pretty clear the parallel between these two, and of course, the ET/Elliot-like symbiosis going on between Yagyu and Musashi, and as Ueda alludes to, for Musashi, these two greats represent a choice between light or darkness.:mushiclosed: :mushieyes:
    Title: Current Episodes Thread
    Post by: Walter on August 05, 2009, 04:23:18 PM
    Great chapter. It was alluded to before, but seeing Ittosai's own inner demon (better term for this?) confirmed that he and Musashi traveled along the same path for a while. Of course, as Ueda already asks, the question now is which path Musashi is on.

    After seeing Ittosai's demon, I wondered about what we saw in vol 11 -- Sekishusai's projection that Musashi sees, that scares him into backing off his assassination attempt. Could  that have been his form, only with a more benevolent nature? Or am I thinking too hard about this? :mushigrin:
    Title: Current Episodes Thread
    Post by: Griffith on August 05, 2009, 07:34:57 PM
    Great chapter. It was alluded to before, but seeing Ittosai's own inner demon (better term for this?) confirmed that he and Musashi traveled along the same path for a while.

    I wouldn't be so quick to define it that way, since we even saw Takuan's "inner demon" or whatever it represents. Then again, perhaps as Yagyu says, all are one? :mushigrin:


    Of course, as Ueda already asks, the question now is which path Musashi is on.

    Yeah, Musashi clearly has both in him, and it's a matter of which one he chooses to become, or how much.

    After seeing Ittosai's demon, I wondered about what we saw in vol 11 -- Sekishusai's projection that Musashi sees, that scares him into backing off his assassination attempt. Could  that have been his form, only with a more benevolent nature? Or am I thinking too hard about this? :mushigrin:

    I wouldn't go that far either, since the demon is both a new thing and something that seems diametrically opposed to the school of thought Yagyu champions. The farthest I'll go is to say the demon, by itself, is probably not a good thing despite Ittosai and Musashi's awe of each other's.
    Title: Current Episodes Thread
    Post by: TheBranded1 on August 05, 2009, 07:35:34 PM
    Great chapter. It was alluded to before, but seeing Ittosai's own inner demon (better term for this?) confirmed that he and Musashi traveled along the same path for a while. Of course, as Ueda already asks, the question now is which path Musashi is on.

    Yeah, Ittossai and Musashi seem to have been in the same road. Now it seems Mushi is starting to find a new road for himself in a way. I think Musashi is getting closer to the light, but still not quite there yet. Remember before he would just try to find the strongest to fight. Now that a great one is in front of him, he has at least given him the chance to enter the circle or just leave.

    After seeing Ittosai's demon, I wondered about what we saw in vol 11 -- Sekishusai's projection that Musashi sees, that scares him into backing off his assassination attempt. Could  that have been his form, only with a more benevolent nature? Or am I thinking too hard about this? :mushigrin:

    I would even say that it's even a playful form of Yagyu still with that absolute greatness of his. Since he thought it was Hyougonosuke and he asks, "How is he going to counter that attack".

    I'm saying Ittosai teases Musashi going into the circle, but at the same time, Musashi  exposes that right arm that has been hiding. We'll find out, but that's just my take on it.
    Title: Current Episodes Thread
    Post by: Walter on August 05, 2009, 07:42:02 PM
    I wouldn't go that far either, since the demon is both a new thing and something that seems diametrically opposed to the school of thought Yagyu champions. The farthest I'll go is to say the demon, by itself, is probably not a good thing despite Ittosai and Musashi's awe of each other's.
    I don't think it's a new thing at all. We see a facet of it in volume 3 (i'll grab the page and chapter number when I get home), and again through Musashi's wood carvings in vol 9 and again in 21 and 22. But when we see it later, during  the Yoshioka 70-man battle, it's become something with its own personality, sort of.

    I think i'll just call it his projection. And I don't think it always has to be evil or violent. It could be related to what In'ei senses in Musashi before his fight with Inshun. Mushi's violent projection.
    Title: Current Episodes Thread
    Post by: Griffith on August 05, 2009, 08:00:27 PM
    Yeah, Ittossai and Musashi seem to have been in the same road. Now it seems Mushi is starting to find a new road for himself in a way. I think Musashi is getting closer to the light, but still not quite there yet. Remember before he would just try to find the strongest to fight. Now that a great one is in front of him, he has at least given him the chance to enter the circle or just leave.

    Well, they have both expressed a frustration with their way that Yagyu obviously doesn't suffer from. Ittosai describes it as a type of boredom, and Musashi has his heat haze metaphor. About the circle, it seems Musashi, or at least Mr. Sloggo, has betrayed his good intentions in this case with the thought, "He'll have to come..." Musashi does repeat his mantra of, "if you're going to leave, leave..." before the realization about Ito's arm, and then even asks him if he's going to leave. I wonder if Ittosai has already seen through this and is going to turn it back on Musashi by not entering the circle, but not leaving either.

    I would even say that it's even a playful form of Yagyu still with that absolute greatness of his. Since he thought it was Hyougonosuke and he asks, "How is he going to counter that attack".

    Yeah, I don't think there was a demon form of him calling Hyogo a bastard. =)

    I'm saying Ittosai teases Musashi going into the circle, but at the same time, Musashi  exposes that right arm that has been hiding. We'll find out, but that's just my take on it.

    Ittosai certainly has a knowing look by the end, I wonder what he sees, or if he's just enjoying the moment. Perhaps he's reading Musashi reading him, as Kohei did in their second match.

    I don't think it's a new thing at all. We see a facet of it in volume 3 (i'll grab the page and chapter number when I get home), and again through Musashi's wood carvings in vol 9 and again in 21 and 22. But when we see it later, during  the Yoshioka 70-man battle, it's become something with its own personality, sort of.

    I mean it's a new device or representation, which makes it even trickier to start trying to apply it to past situations, especially when there's already doubt as to how it applies, if at all, to a particular character. I think there's already been a distinction between that kind of aggressive or bloodthirsty aura and something else, a confidence, that's stronger and will even reflect it back. As we saw in the Yagyu situation.

    I think i'll just call it his projection. And I don't think it always has to be evil or violent.

    Well, this one does so far, that's why I maintain we shouldn't lose sight of the distinction.

    It could be related to what In'ei senses in Musashi before his fight with Inshun. Mushi's violent projection.

    It likely could be, but I don't think we particularly need to define it by what we're seeing here. It's interesting to compare though.
    Title: Current Episodes Thread
    Post by: TheBranded1 on September 02, 2009, 02:14:21 PM

    Vagabond's Back! Just thought I share the pics, but I already read 279. I won't spoil anything, but now I know why Inoue talked about Ittosai messing his brushes.

    (http://www.itplanning.co.jp/images/vaga/279a.gif)
    (http://www.itplanning.co.jp/images/vaga/279b.gif)
    Title: Current Episodes Thread
    Post by: slan69 on September 02, 2009, 11:28:23 PM
    Well this is definitely a treat for me. I have something else to look forward to now instead of just waiting for the next Berserk chapter to come out. Thanks for letting is know Branded0ne.  :casca:
    Title: Current Episodes Thread
    Post by: Griffith on September 02, 2009, 11:29:20 PM
    Awesome! I had kind of gone into Vagabond hibernation because I wasn't really expecting it back so soon... and damn, what a return!
    Title: Current Episodes Thread
    Post by: TheBranded1 on September 02, 2009, 11:53:26 PM


    I really like that double circle and of course Sekishusai.
    Title: Current Episodes Thread
    Post by: Walter on September 03, 2009, 12:05:47 AM
    I lol'd at the double circle.  :ganishka:

    What a return indeed. The chapter had me on the edge of my seat the whole time.

    And yeah, what else needs to be said. "Ji-san" has joined the audience!
    Title: Current Episodes Thread
    Post by: Griffith on September 04, 2009, 09:19:21 PM
    "Ji-san" has joined the audience!

    A box seat! :mushigrin:

    Anyway, the shit talking is certainly heating up. I wonder how Musashi will respond to Ittosai's latest barb (which answers one of our earlier questions =). He could agree and say that's the point, or perhaps Musashi will start in about Ito's arm. Nothing would shock me at this point, from Musashi drawing two swords to refusing to draw either.
    Title: Current Episodes Thread
    Post by: TheBranded1 on September 05, 2009, 03:32:17 PM



    Yeah, pretty nice episode. As you pointed out. Some questions where answered  there with Ittosai's talk. It really shows to this point to me that he's more in the light now, than in the darkness as Ueda pointed out.
    Title: Current Episodes Thread
    Post by: Griffith on September 05, 2009, 04:02:15 PM
    It really shows to this point to me that he's more in the light now, than in the darkness as Ueda pointed out.

    Yeah, but Ittosai is doing all he can to bring him back to the dark side, almost...

    (http://www.skullknight.net/griffith/darkside.jpg)

     :mushieyes:
    Title: Current Episodes Thread
    Post by: Walter on September 06, 2009, 12:50:21 AM
    This may make me sound like a doofus, but the biggest things revealed by the translation that I didn't catch from the original reading was that Yagyu really is dead... Only Mushi sees his figure. :sad:

    Also, 0 points :ganishka:
    Title: Current Episodes Thread
    Post by: slan69 on September 06, 2009, 01:12:03 AM
    This may make me sound like a doofus, but the biggest things revealed by the translation that I didn't catch from the original reading was that Yagyu really is dead... Only Mushi sees his figure. :sad:

    You aren't the only one that didn't catch that. I think this has got to be the sadest thing that has happened in Vagabond IMO. :judo:
    Title: Current Episodes Thread
    Post by: Walter on September 06, 2009, 01:13:46 AM
    You aren't the only one that didn't catch that. I think this has got to be the sadest thing that has happened in Vagabond IMO. :judo:
    Well, there's always a chance that he'll awake from the coma. I imagine a certain pretty girl might have that effect on him  :casca:
    Title: Current Episodes Thread
    Post by: TheBranded1 on September 06, 2009, 01:18:18 AM
    This may make me sound like a doofus, but the biggest things revealed by the translation that I didn't catch from the original reading was that Yagyu really is dead... Only Mushi sees his figure. :sad:

    Also, 0 points :ganishka:

    OH no problem sometimes we all missed some stuff. As you said Otsu might do the miracle by playing the flute. I didn't point it out earlier either, but after JOtaro's urination problems. That's a memory of Musashi of people talking about Ittosai right?  I guess he thought himself then that it would be great to meet such a man and now he has him in front of him.
    Title: Current Episodes Thread
    Post by: Walter on September 06, 2009, 01:42:02 AM
    That's a memory of Musashi of people talking about Ittosai right?  I guess he thought himself then that it would be great to meet such a man and now he has him in front of him.
    "Aspirations ... they were resurrected on that day." I'd say so, yeah.
    Title: Current Episodes Thread
    Post by: Griffith on September 07, 2009, 04:40:23 AM
    Yeah, I assume that was Mushi flashback as well, something that inspired to... get into petty scuffles at Inn's, "Some day, that'll be me and Ittosai!" :mushigrin:

    This may make me sound like a doofus, but the biggest things revealed by the translation that I didn't catch from the original reading was that Yagyu really is dead... Only Mushi sees his figure. :sad:

    The translation gave me the opposite feeling with Yagyu, like, now there's actually a chance he could recover, for a moment at least. Before they mentioned the coma, I assumed his presence at the battle meant he was passed on already. Let's say Otsu can work her magic on him, what effect will that have on Musashi?

    Also, 0 points :ganishka:

    Yeah, that certainly affected him. :mushieyes:
    Title: Current Episodes Thread
    Post by: Griffith on September 09, 2009, 05:38:39 PM
    (http://www.itplanning.co.jp/images/vaga/vol.gif)

    (http://www.itplanning.co.jp/images/vaga/280a.gif)

    (http://www.itplanning.co.jp/images/vaga/280b.gif)

    Quote
    Round 2 〆 couple of days off last-minute nap is only 42 years old is truly a middle-aged father
    Looks like we need more time to meet and see the recovery of strength
    What is quite rare and has been active in the same age athletes that you mention it
    Oh if nobody in the NBA, Mutombo had
    Kaz is a great King ~


    2009.09.08
    Takehiko Inoue



    Haha, Inoue makes a Dikembe Mutumbo reference! :mushilaugh:



    Oh my, Ittosai! :mushiooh:
    Title: Current Episodes Thread
    Post by: TheBranded1 on September 10, 2009, 01:14:33 AM


    Nice woodwork by Musashi, no wonder he was so good when he was older. Yagyu is getting the blimp view now  :ganishka: . Eventhough, I see Ittosai moving into the circle I don't see either one drawing their swords eventhough it looks that way, I just got that vibe from it.
    Title: Current Episodes Thread
    Post by: Walter on September 10, 2009, 01:14:56 PM
    Ito definitely drew ... something. The biggest thing in this chapter to me was the revelation that Ittosai meant this much to Musashi as a child. He'd come back and tell his wooden carving of his childhood hero all his exploits and adventures.

    Another thing I was thinking about while reading this chapter. Throughout the series we've been given this amorphous look at Musashi's dark side. His beast, so to speak. In vol 21, we see Musashi's carving of what he calls a buddha, but looks like a demon. Well, in this episode, we've seen the wood carving features implemented into this demonic presence we've seen so often recently. And furthermore, that wooden demon-face imposed over Ittosai's.

    One funny parallel I noticed while re-reading through volume 9 this morning:

    (http://skullknight.net/images/yagyu-watching.jpg) (http://skullknight.net/images/yagyu-watching2.jpg)
    The text at the end of the previous chapter says "The heavens won't be laughing!  :mushismile: "
    Title: Current Episodes Thread
    Post by: Griffith on September 12, 2009, 07:59:19 AM
    Walter: page 2, "Shinmen Takezou and ... (sword master, i think) Ittousai"
    Griffith: oooh
    Walter: wow what a cliffhanger
    i wonder if he actually drew though
    but turns out he was faking with he arm all along
    Griffith: Or he has no fingers haha
    Walter: seriously... wtf with Jisan
    even the clouds look crazy
    like a Mario level
    Griffith: Yeah, what a distraction.
    Musashi's trying to impress the half dead guy instead of worrying about the one in front of him.
    Walter: ah, it looks like Ittousai uses his right arm on page 14
    Griffith: Is that the page where he kills Musashi?
    I’m not sure that's reliable. =)
    Walter: pretty much
    Griffith: Yeah, that ending.
    Walter: The End
    Griffith: I've been checking one manga every couple of hours.
    I want to know what Musashi said to set him off.
    Walter: hehehe
    ive got no idea. too complex for my simple skills
    Griffith: Ittosai has the right answer, "Oh yeah? Well, I'm right because I'll cut off your face."
    Walter: Mushi's sword arm isn't in an attack position either, so I dont think its going to be a "mushi sliced him before he could reach him" thing.
    Griffith: Yeah, he's pretty well fucked unless he falls or Ittosai is just messing with him.
    Walter: im betting on the latter.
    hmm that font sure looks bloody though! =)
    like: SPLUTCH
    Griffith: Remember though, we shouldn't get too technical on who's in what position.
    Don't forget Seijuro's death depiction.
    Walter: yeah i was reminded of it too
    Griffith: Happened 3 different ways.
    Walter: man, what a weird chapter this was during its last half
    Griffith: Musashi could have jumped back and run him through.
    Yeah, i'm not sure what happened and what didn't.
    Walter: after page 11 things just get insane
    hahaha just noticed on page 17, Yagyu is watching from the clouds
    didnt bother looking before
    Griffith: Hahaha
    Yeah, I loved that.
    Walter: quite a cool revelation about Ittosai and Musashi though
    that Musashi, as a child revered him to this extent. told him about all his childhood exploits
    Griffith: It's funny, because I've always felt like they were kindred spirits. Ittosai was like an old wise Takezo. =)
    It's strange how much Inoue has canonized that feeling.
    Walter: yeah. i mean, they even have more or less the same hair
    when tied back
    its noteworthy I think that Inoue's changed Mushi's hair in recent issues
    when was the last time it was tied back?
    Griffith: It's been his style for the last couple of volumes.
    Ever since 28.
    Though there hair is different tied too.
    Ito has it tighter around his head, and more of a puffy end to his top knot.
    Like a mushroom.
    It's the mario episode.
    Walter: hahaha
    Griffith: Super Jisano
    He's got the cape.
    Walter: his P bar is full
    Here's a thought I had.
    Maybe Musashi finally commented on the arm.
    Called him a cripple too. =)
    It makes sense looking at the panels.
    Walter: im so confused... did the bottom of page 14 actually happen?
    Griffith: You mean is Musashi's corpse being eaten by crows? =)
    I'm going to say no haha
    Walter: is that whats happening?
    Griffith: I think that was Musashi considering attacking Ito.
    With his leg.
    That's why he slams it on the next page.
    Walter: ah, well the pain he feels I think "unmasks" Ito for him too
    Griffith: He had to use their own inertia to take out scrub swordsman, imagine if he tried something offensive on... the greatest.
    I also think he was considering the arm.
    Or he had a cold.
    I can't tell.
    Walter: hahahah
    Ittosai is old, his immune system is weaker, so he must be more susceptible to colds.
    maybe thats a factor
    Griffith: One thing, Musashi isn't as helpless at the end as his expression makes him look, he had his hand on his sword and on the last page his elbow is back.
    Not to get too technical
    ha
    But basically, Ittosai could be in as much trouble.
    Depending on what the hell is going on...
    Walter: i think the key thing here is that Musashi saw Ittosai's hand go for his sword before the guy even draws. which in Vagabond physics, means that by the next panel, Musashi can be fully prepared for an attack =)
    still, would Ittosai MISS
    I dont think so
    Griffith: I’m still suspicious, we still don't actually see Ittosai's hand! =)
    Walter: ah, yeah
    yeah ahhaah
    i see what COULD be happening here
    Griffith: "If I still had my fingers, you'd be dead Musashi!"
    Walter: i may be overanalyzing this, but his hand looks awfully small
    Griffith: Still, would Ittosai fuck with Musashi? Maybe after his shameful philosophizing.
    "I thought you were a good beast."
    Walter: all this makes me want to go back through vol 15-17
    re-read all the early Ittosai stuff
    how he interacted with Jisai for instance
    Griffith: Yeah, I did that at the start of this encounter.
    All Ittosai review.
    Great stuff.
    We already know he'll fuck with anybody after the YAgyu incident.
    BTW, were you a little pissed when Ito spit on his name? =)
    Walter: just a bit
    but i can understand.
    Griffith: Yeah.
    Walter: he's diametrically opposed to that way
    Griffith: haha, yeah, "Overrated."
    It extends to everything, they're whole way of life.
    It's like Ito has been on Musashi’s one year pilgrimage his whole life, minus the abstraction.
    Walter: i actually thought while reading this chapter whether Ittosai ever fought someone like Kohei
    someone who made him change his pattern
    because he seems deadset on his path the whole series
    Griffith: Musashi hasn't mentioned it.
    The spiral.
    Walter: yeah thats true
    wonder if he will




    Whatever you do, do not patronize Ito Ittosai!:mushiooh:





    281 prediction: Musashi grabbed Ittosai's sword. "No sword."
    Title: Current Episodes Thread
    Post by: TheBranded1 on September 16, 2009, 12:31:43 AM

    281! To me on the first page second panel looks to me that Musashi did draw as well. You can tell Ittosai rushing towards Musashi on the first panel as well. The second page seems to be about Yagyu, I am going to guess they are mourning him now. We'll see.

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    Takehiko Inoue
    Quote
    Late night at work among the staff after the 2:03不惑to a stand and go out into the shop during the outbreak of pork noodles at two over a year now I is not impossible that I should not Mouson coming right!
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    スタッフたちの間で仕事中の深夜2時3時に豚骨ラーメン屋に繰り出すのが流行中
    そして替え玉をする
    不惑を過ぎて2年が経つ僕はさすがにもうそんな無茶はしないです
    しないはず・・!

    Title: Current Episodes Thread
    Post by: Griffith on September 18, 2009, 07:19:14 AM
    281! To me on the first page second panel looks to me that Musashi did draw as well. You can tell Ittosai rushing towards Musashi on the first panel as well.

    I can't tell if Musashi drew or not, but it looks like both of them are surprised by what transpired... it reminds me of another beast swordsmen encounter:

    (http://www.skullknight.net/griffith/beastswordsmen.jpg)

    Anyway, I see nothing to make me deviate from my previous prediction, though that doesn't mean much since from what we've seen anything is still on the table, really.

    The second page seems to be about Yagyu, I am going to guess they are mourning him now. We'll see.

    Yeah, perhaps Otsu and Jotaro have finally arrived.


    Holy shit! :mushiooh:

    Well, one of my predictions was right anyway... the one that DIDN'T totally underestimate Ito sama! I was honestly shocked, I thought I expected just about anything, except Musashi dying of course, but there was something else I didn't expect anymore, for him to lose, to anyone. This throws parts of 279 into a new possible light, "Aspirations... they were resurrected on that day." Perhaps this will jolt Musashi out of his "heat haze," though it's always a dangerous game speculating without a translation. We'll see what he and Sekishusai had to say to one another.
    Title: Current Episodes Thread
    Post by: TheBranded1 on September 18, 2009, 02:13:00 PM

    Oh this was just nice to see. No wonder Ittosai was hiding that arm. From Yagyu's smiling face at the end of the conversation with Musashi I think it's something good that they talked about, maybe saying "the heat haze is over" or something in there.

    UPDATE: Read the translation. Ittosai's payment for the sake had me cracking up :ganishka: . Although there might be some true to what he said though. And what Sekishusai told him to "smile more" I was just thinking of doing a tread about  how Musashi didn't really smile much.I think the only time I have seen him smile without being in a fight was when he bid farewell to Inshun.
    OK, we get a break of 2 weeks and won't see Vagabond till Oct. 8th.
    Title: Current Episodes Thread
    Post by: TheBranded1 on September 19, 2009, 02:57:42 AM
    OK, I have read 281 translation now. I just want to go into the technical aspect of the fight. As Ittosai is swinging his right arm in page 2-3 I think at that time is when Musashi draws his sword, then with the momentum of his right arm Ittosai uses his left arm to attack Musashi..

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    Griffith: I’m still suspicious, we still don't actually see Ittosai's hand! =)
    Walter: ah, yeah
    yeah ahhaah
    i see what COULD be happening here
    Griffith: "If I still had my fingers, you'd be dead Musashi!"

    I only thought he was hiding it  to be just crazy as Ittosai usually is. I don't know if you were guessing or not Griff, but you got it. :mushiguts:
    Title: Current Episodes Thread
    Post by: Walter on September 19, 2009, 04:20:43 AM
    Hmm, well we more or less called it this episode. I wonder if this is the end now for Jisan or whether he'll bounce back again in the following pages?
    Title: Current Episodes Thread
    Post by: Griffith on September 20, 2009, 03:18:16 AM
    OK, I have read 281 translation now. I just want to go into the technical aspect of the fight. As Ittosai is swinging his right arm in page 2-3 I think at that time is when Musashi draws his sword, then with the momentum of his right arm Ittosai uses his left arm to attack Musashi..

    I only thought he was hiding it  to be just crazy as Ittosai usually is. I don't know if you were guessing or not Griff, but you got it. :mushiguts:

    Well, it was the only thing I got right. Anyway, brilliant attack by Ittosai, from the beginning the way he just kept Musashi in the dark. It's no wonder Musashi never heard of Ito being a disabled swordsmam: he might be the first man to find out and live to tell about it.


    Griffith: Yo.
    We more or less called it? Well, less in my case, I'm honestly shocked.
    Walter: really?
    Griffith: Oh yeah, it put me in a weird place even.
    I'm re-evaluating my life. =)
    Walter: a week of no internet will do that, but i wouldnt lay that on Mushi.
    Griffith: Even when he was on the ground with hazy watery eyes, I was expecting him to grab a sword and attack somehow. =)
    Just irrationally.
    Walter: i didnt get that sense, but Im glad he didnt.
    Griffith: "Say it ain't so, Musho?"
    I feel embarassed for him.
    And sorry for Ito too, like he was cheated. Dad truly disappointed.
    Walter: yeah, im not sure what was gained from any party here, really.
    other than Musashi showed restraint
    Griffith: Well, maybe it'll knock some sense into him.
    I was half hoping Yagyu would say something contrary like, "Well, you can't just let someone kick your ass like that."
    BTW, Ito broke his record, 20,000 points now.
    That was one of the coolest attacks in the series, strategically.
    Walter: pretty awesome for the old man, yeah
    Griffith: Yeah, had Musashi totally snowed.
    Walter: i still dont see when Musashi got his slash in
    he drew, clearly because its his sword that falls
    but i suppose it was on page 02-03
    Griffith: He was defending against Ittosai's sword that never was I think.
    Leaving him totally open to the true attack.
    Walter: "no sword." =)
    Griffith: Yeah, Ito brand no sword. =)
    Hurts a lot more!
    Walter: whoa, the name of the episode
    didnt see that til now
    "A Great Man Falls"
    Griffith: Oh wow, me neither.
    Walter: btw, the scarring on Ittosai's hand
    what do you make of it?
    looks like a cut that he cauterized
    Griffith: Or some kind of firearm wound. As for the title, I think it's literally referring to Musashi, but of course there's Yagyu too.
    Walter: yeah, I thought Yagyu. but it has a double meaning.
    Griffith: Ito is great, I'm coming to his side. =)
    Walter: yeah, take me off this cloud ride.
    Griffith: "Hahaha, I entered, you fell."
    What an awesome asshole
    Walter: "You lose."
    Griffith: "Heads I win, tails you lose."
    That's what disappoints me most, I don't buy the leg stuff with Musashi, it was his whole mindset.
    Walter: reminded me of Hoop Dreams
    Griffith: Ito is focused like a laser, like Musashi USED to be.
    Walter: after William Gates gets that knee injury
    he focuses on it so much he loses his edge
    Griffith: Yeah.
    I mean, he wasn't even ready for the attack, physicality aside.
    Walter: admittedly, Mushi is no slouch. he just got bested by the best here.
    Griffith: Yeah, it was a great episode.
    Like I said, I'm shocked by it.
    Walter: iiiiiim still not shocked,
    Griffith: After Inshun, and with the way the series has been advancing, especially after the 70 man fight, I never expected Musashi to truly lose again.
    If anything, I thought Musashi was made out to be TOO powerful until now.
    Walter: he took his loss well.
    a little TOO well
    Griffith: Yeah, that bugged me too.
    He just blamed his leg.
    Walter: yeah page 14 felt pompous to me.
    Griffith: Sorry Musashi, “you just… you just got bested!”
    Walter: as if he COULD have won, but didnt unleash his inner slogg
    Griffith: "I think I know who would have won."
    Walter: hehehe
    Griffith: Yeah, if you'd actually fought.
    Or been ready to.
    I have another less douchey interpretation for him though
    I don’t think Ittosai would have attacked Musashi if he’d simply yielded, but he was having it both ways, standing his ground while trying to blow Ito off with that lame not worthy excuse. Musashi couldn’t just say, “Those days are done for me.” Ito was right to a degree, that Musashi's philosophizing was a lie.



    And what Sekishusai told him to "smile more" I was just thinking of doing a tread about  how Musashi didn't really smile much.I think the only time I have seen him smile without being in a fight was when he bid farewell to Inshun.

    That's the only time I can recall him bursting out in a friendly smile either, as displayed on volume 8.

    I wonder if this is the end now for Jisan or whether he'll bounce back again in the following pages?

    No telling, though his farewell to Musashi seemed pretty final, perhaps Mushi will be the one to awaken at the Yagyu though, and I'm more curious about what's next for him anyway.

    Any ideas?
    Title: Current Episodes Thread
    Post by: Walter on September 20, 2009, 03:27:28 AM
    No telling, though his farewell to Musashi seemed pretty final,
    Sekishusai tells him "see you later." But maybe he means on the other side of the sky... I also got the feeling it was pretty final. It would cheapen the scene if they were to be high-fiving in a few episodes. Not that I wouldn't enjoy that :ganishka:

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    perhaps Mushi will be the one to awaken at the Yagyu though, and I'm more curious about what's next for him anyway.

    Any ideas?
    I imagine he'll have to answer to the authorities for his escape. Or not.  Beyond that, he set on on this most recent journey to speak with Sekishusai, but already accomplished that goal. I imagine Edo is next in line according to the novel, but for what reason?
    Title: Current Episodes Thread
    Post by: Griffith on September 20, 2009, 04:07:09 AM
    Sekishusai tells him "see you later." But maybe he means on the other side of the sky... I also got the feeling it was pretty final. It would cheapen the scene if they were to be high-fiving in a few episodes. Not that I wouldn't enjoy that :mushilaugh:
    Well, certainly if they were slapping-five it would cheapen things. :badbone:

    Musashi shouldn't be high-fiving anyone right now though, he needs to get his groove back, and as I said, I'm hoping this will somewhat knock some sense into him. This is like another nail he stepped on, just as when he was unprepared to engage Baiken/Kohei, and now it's happened again and as he questioned himself then, I think he needs to wonder if he doesn't suffer from conceit, for he's STILL no Yagyu Sekishusai. On the bright side, wouldn't it be great to see Ito ghost mocking him from now on? Ito and Sekishusai can be like the angel and devil on his shoulder. =)

    I imagine he'll have to answer to the authorities for his escape. Or not. Beyond that, he set on on this most recent journey to speak with Sekishusai, but already accomplished that goal. I imagine Edo is next in line according to the novel, but for what reason?

    Well, I can imagine the Yagyu would protect Musashi if they in fact discover him, but for all we know, he's going to regain consciousness in the next episode and start following Ittosai. I know I'd like to see that, it would be interesting to see him speak with Yagyu again and review, but right now his unfinished business is with Ito Ittosai.
    Title: Current Episodes Thread
    Post by: slan69 on September 20, 2009, 04:10:16 AM
    No telling, though his farewell to Musashi seemed pretty final.

    When I read what Otsu said at the last page my heart almost broke. :judo:
    Title: Current Episodes Thread
    Post by: Griffith on September 20, 2009, 04:20:05 AM
    When I read what Otsu said at the last page my heart almost broke. :judo:

    Yeah, I still really hope she's wrong and he's going to wake up and say, "Hello." :sad:
    And wouldn't it be great if he actually awoke and sent men out to go help Musashi? :SK:
    Title: Current Episodes Thread
    Post by: Walter on September 20, 2009, 04:34:18 AM
    And wouldn't it be great if he actually awoke and sent men out to go help Musashi? :SK:
    Seconded. However, my problem with this is that we've been predicting Sekishusai's death for about 5 episodes now. I think it's finally that moment, people.
    Title: Current Episodes Thread
    Post by: Griffith on October 02, 2009, 04:07:56 AM
    Seconded. However, my problem with this is that we've been predicting Sekishusai's death for about 5 episodes now. I think it's finally that moment, people.

    That's true, but it just goes to show our record for predicting this isn't very good, so no reason we should be right this time. After all, Yagyu says he hears a flute and has to go... it would make sense that he'd be going to the source of that music he's so desired to hear before he passes, at least for an encore.

    "Oh, that's the flute I've been living just to listen to... well, I guess I'll just slip uneventfully into death now!"

    Anyway, I hope it's a reason for holding on a little longer, rather than satisfaction for letting go. Also, that ending is the perfect setup for him to say, "Don't stop" to Otsu. I'm suspicious as I was with Ittosai's hand. :badbone:



    Walter: "I wonder how Gonnosuke has matured since we last saw him."
    if at all
    Griffith: Well, I imagine he's going to have made SOMETHING of himself.
    He's not supposed to be far below Musashi and Kojiro.
    Unless Inoue decides to reduce him to super Matahatchi. =)
    Walter: "It's almost a grudging acknowledgment of his celebrity just so he can exploit it,"
    Yeah this is the key point the earlier guy missed
    HE doesnt relish his status
    Griffith: Yeah, he doesn't want to be recognized or anything.
    Walter: is this the end of Sloggo btw?
    since Musashi had an opportunity to use it and didnt give in.
     Griffith: Hmmm
    I don't think so.
    Maybe though.
    He said that him is invincible, but something is wrong, whether he means his leg... or something else.
    Walter: yeah that vague exchange
    so many pronouns and lack of direct subjects
    like speaking with the other MIyamoto.
    Shigeru Miyamoto
    Griffith: Let me see what I wrote in conversations. =)
    Walter: (he popularly doesnt use direct subjects in conversations)
    "Hmmm that needs to go."
    "Yeah it needs to be more..."
    Griffith: Griffith: Yeah, that bugged me too.
    He just blamed his leg.
    Walter: yeah page 14 felt pompous to me.
    Griffith: Sorry Musashi, “you just… you just got bested!”
    Walter: as if he COULD have won, but didnt unleash his inner slogg
    Griffith: "I think I know who would have won."
    Walter: hehehe
    Griffith: Yeah, if you'd actually fought.
    Or been ready to.
    I have another less douchey interpretation for him though
    I don’t think Ittosai would have attacked Musashi if he’d simply yielded, but he was having it both ways, standing his ground while trying to blow Ito off with that lame not worthy excuse. Musashi couldn’t just say, “Those days are done for me.” Ito was right to a degree, that Musashi's philosophizing was a lie.
    Walter: well Musashi was trying on the middle path
    and failing =)
    or maybe it was the best outcome.
    Griffith: I still say he wins if Ito had drawn. =)
    But, since he totally fooled Musashi, that doesn't really matter lol
    Walter: probably -- but he didn’t =)
    yeah
    his not drawing was the winning strategy
    Griffith: Yup.
    Turned his handicap into a strength, opposite of Mushi.
    Walter: i don’t think its actually farfetched that some of REAL's philosophy has seeped into Vagabond
    Griffith: How's Inoue going to end this though? =)
    I mean, even in 3 years.
    Walter: dunno...
    wel wasnt it 3 years 2 years ago?
    Griffith: If Musashi grabs Ito's sword, he could be fighting Kojiro in the next episode.
    Not now.
    Inoue opened up a whole new can of worms.
    My theory on how his style is good for creation, but not ceasing it. =)
    Walter: i dunno
    i think it could go either way
    10 volumes.. or 1 =)
    Griffith: Well, in my mind, this must be reconciled. =)
    Unless Inoue wants to purposefully end it with a strike on Musashi's record.
    Or if Musashi is going to conquer it internally, and thus challenge us to do it as well.
    "I won, I am the greatest."
    No, Ittosai kicked your ASS! =)
    "You failure!"
    Walter: the last shot of Itto looked pretty final to be
    me
    Griffith: Mushi: "But I reached enlightenment. :_("
    "Ito won!"
    I don't think so.
    It could be, but there's nothing inherently final about it other than he was leaving the scene.
    Walter: and he was leaving because...?
    Griffith: I want more for selfish reasons, like getting inside his head a bit more.
    Walter: because it was over. He won.
    Griffith: Oh, you just want Ito to be the winner. =)
    Walter: damn straight :crossarms:
    Griffith: "Nope, I don't think there needs to be anymore."
    Yeah, that last page in 307, looked final to me! >=D
    THE END (motherfuckers!)
    I don't even want Musashi to duel him again, I want him to treat Ito with the reverence he afforded Yagyu.
    Walter: it'd be a one sided relationship I think
    Griffith: I'll feel double gyped if he just somehow feels like he got over it in his mind.
    "I think I know I could have won."
    Pfffff
    lol
    "We need closure here!"
    Case was pretty well closed. =)
    Musashi was DUMPED
    hard
    Oh yeah
    The other thing Musashi might have been referring to other than his leg that something was now wrong with.
    Bad sentence, sorry.
    His heat haze theory.
    He says it again, but then makes that the Shigeru references.
    the vague*
    Walter: hang on. let me look at it again. its been a while since i saw the scene, maybe ill have a fresh perspective
    Griffith: same here
    I'm going from memory
    Walter: yeah still makes no sense
    to me at least.
    but now, because of this, something ... is clearly wrong
    Griffith: I have something.
    Walter: the thing that I truly sought ... ..... ........................................
    Griffith: After that, he mentions what he sought, and the wiggly thing.
    Maybe he was pushing too hard for that.
    Instead of going with his gut.
    Trying too hard to be enlightened.
    Love the fish BTW =)
    Walter: yeah i hadn’t noticed them until just now
    im going to go with Yagyu on this scene
    "I dunno."
    Griffith: Haha
    Walter: the other portion is pretty straightforward
    but those first few lines... just ... vague
    Griffith: lol
    Ito's part was.
    That grin. =)
    Walter: hahahaha
    Griffith: Same one Musashi gave Kohei BTW
    Walter: i meant the first part of their discussion
    Griffith: After cutting him down, and Kohei returned an FR grin. =)
    FU*
    Walter: hmm...
    Kohei lost his fingers too.
    and at that moment abandoned the spiral
    Griffith: Maybe Ito and Kohei are in the same support group.
    Walter: it happened to Ito and he continued
    Griffith: Ito: "Don't worry, I'mma get that Musashi!"
    Yeah.
    That's what I took away, relating to Musashi too.
    There is no quitting.
    He still lives by the sword.
    However he can.
    He found a way.
    Walter: awesome
    Griffith: It wasn't even an option.
    Maybe that's what Musashi is getting from this too.
    And that bizarre exchange with Yagyu.
    I mean, that's why he was going to see him too.
    "What's next?"
    Walter: "Im done with you old man. Gonna find me a LIVE grandpa."
    Griffith: Ito is more like Pa though.
    That's another reason I want more.
    Mushi cheated himself out of... meeting his idol.
    Impressing him.
    Being his peer.
    Ito did not disappoint, the student did.



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    Big week coming up! :carcus:
    Title: Current Episodes Thread
    Post by: TheBranded1 on October 02, 2009, 05:04:14 AM



    It's great! Almost the same day for their releases. I"m pretty sure is anothe well planned release so Miura and Inoue can go to Octoberfest.
    Title: Re: Current Episodes Thread
    Post by: Walter on October 03, 2009, 12:55:22 AM
    I had a thought today about the so-called middle path Itakura mentioned back in ep 265.

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    "There are always crossroads inside the mind. The middle path is the best."

    "If you're able to take the middle path, there would be no fight. Fighting would be unnecessary."

    In the most recent ep, Musashi tried the middle path with Ittosai and still failed. I was thinking, what went wrong exactly? I think Musashi unintentionally spurred Ittosai on. The middle path here wasn't appeasement -- he ended up simply patronizing Ittosai and getting strategically owned.

    But we've seen others who were able to perform feats like Itakura described above. Others, including Kami'Izumi Ise no Kami. Yeah, I know we've only seen this old man once, but he's the basis on which Yagyu's technique and philosophy are based, so he's no pushover. He was able to take down a hostile In'ei and Yagyu without killing them, and avoided the fight, creating friends instead. That's the middle path.

    Or is that the HIGH path?  :???:

    Either way, I think Musashi has to learn other techniques of avoiding fights than his faux-neutrality with the circle. There's an art to this that he's not yet mastered, evident by his gruff personality. He's not yet capable of walking that path without more experience in dueling with words.
    Title: Re: Current Episodes Thread
    Post by: TheBranded1 on October 03, 2009, 01:11:28 AM

    We also have to take on Kami'Izumi Ise no Kami's age. Yagyu said he was already 50, when he encountered him. He must have had quite the time to master his way of the sword. I agree that Musashi tried to take the middle path, but is still not quite there yet. Is an improvement from his earlier self. I guess he's just started walking that middle path, but it's only the beginnning for our protagonist.
    Title: Re: Current Episodes Thread
    Post by: Griffith on October 07, 2009, 12:25:28 AM
    Musashi's obviously conflicted, and this was one bad man to run into in that state, because he's not going to engage in philosophy and teach you some sweet sounding life lesson to uplift you when you're down... his is a lesson in pain! :guts:

    I think Musashi's mistake was clearly that he was dealing with a different animal here where the middle path wasn't appropriate. This would have been the thing to do when he fought Den or against the Yoshioka, just walk away. Ito Ittosai isn't some "friend you haven't met" or lesser competition for Musashi to avoid, Musashi didn't have to worry about goading him into a fight or being merciful; on the contrary, Ittosai is every bit the opponent Musashi should have put everything he had against without regret. This was exactly the time and place for him NOT to have to worry about the middle path. Not that he applied it in this case, I think he was more having it both ways, he wasn't going to challenge Ittosai, but he wasn't going to walk away either, so he got burned for his half-measures.



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    休載opened for our real draw.
    何卒as a thank you note for the series, so goes this one more realistic.
    Chau Do I like that very quickly after this year.
    Mr. T last night the staff had a stand in the village at around 3 this morning, "Forget the other pork!" Declared.
    It was still in agony.


    2009.10.06
    Takehiko Inoue

    Uh, yeah.



    I'm happy to see that it looks like we're coming right back to Musashi, and possibly more talk with he and Sekishusai, unless that's a chat happening between the parties at the Yagyu estate. Anyway, looks for sure like someone has discovered Musashi, whether it's just those innkeepers or someone else.
    Title: Re: Current Episodes Thread
    Post by: TheBranded1 on October 07, 2009, 01:00:55 AM


    I"m going that the first sketches are in the Yagyu's territory and the last ones about Musashi coming back to his senses realizing he has to smile :guts:
    Title: Re: Current Episodes Thread
    Post by: Griffith on October 07, 2009, 06:44:51 AM
    It also looks like Sloggo might be raging there on the bottom right page. :zodd:
    Title: Re: Current Episodes Thread
    Post by: Walter on October 09, 2009, 04:11:29 PM
    Speaking of Sloggo, I was reading through Vagabond again, and in volume 2, just as Kohei is about to kill Musashi after slashing him down form the tree, Kohei is distracted/scared shitless by a projection from Takuan. It looks like Takuan's Sloggo. Him all wrapped in buddhist imagery with a sword. I'd forgotten about the scene, but it's put into a new light now that Inoue has focused so much on this aggressive ego projection in recent chapters.
    Title: Re: Current Episodes Thread
    Post by: Griffith on October 09, 2009, 05:48:27 PM
    Good call, I agree that all the sloggo stuff puts that in a new light, but I'd be wary of retroactively labeling them the same. For one, we see Takuan's sloggo for sure in volume 29, and it's quite different from the volume 2 image and more like what we see from Musashi and Ittosai. Of course, what happens in volume 2 could be it in a more concentrated, purposeful form, but it could also just be a similar artistic depiction of blood thirst or power. I don't know, but I think it bears more discussion, any other thoughts or counterpoints?



    Griffith: There's a reply waiting for you! =)
    Walter: next id bring up what In'ei said
    as it's likely just that
    Griffith: Makes an enemy of everyone!
    Walter: but what KOhei says afterward is interesting too
    that he "cut me down with his mind."
    with HIS MMMMMMMMMMMIND
    Griffith: Well, here's my take: that was something akin to Guts fucking an Apostle on page one. =)
    Walter: hm? sorry you lost me.
    Griffith: Takuan was never seen as so formidable again, not like THAT anyway. Musashi didn't feel it, and it's hard for me to imagine Kohei as he was portrayed later saying that.
    "HE CUT ME DOWN WITH HIS MIND!!!!"
    It's kinda cheesy I mean.
    Walter: yeah it seems very out of character.
    even for Inoue
    Griffith: Relative to where things went.
    Walter: but....
    Takuan always seems to me that he has many tricks up his sleeve
    capable of many things
    Griffith: But, Sloggo actually makes it better.
    Yeah, Musashi even puts him up there with Yagyu and In'ei as a sage.
    Walter: he even says that he had that kind of anger early on
    Griffith: But would he frighten Kohei more than Kojiro would?
    Walter: apparently!
    Griffith: lol
    Facts are facts!
    Walter: hahhaha
    does Kojiro project taht kind of bloodthirst though?
    Griffith: I just take that scene with a grain of salt.
    Walter: he seems more at peace with his violent side
    Griffith: But was that bloodthirst from Takuan?
    Or HIS MIIIIIIIND!!!!
    Walter: well, take the two examples side by side
    Takuan's projection and In'ei's reflection of Musashi's bloodthirst
    the In'ei thing plays out in Musashi's mind, like an alternate reality. In Takuan's thing, it has all these weird intricate details
    Griffith: I think they're all in the same ballpark, maybe just not the same team, or position.
    Walter: buddhist imagery, ornate accessories
    Griffith: Yeah, it seemed like a special... Buddhist technique.
    Projecting chi.
    Walter: Monk... with a SWORD
    Griffith: Takuan has the authority of GOD behind him. =)
    "He defeated me! He cut me down with his mind!"
    Yeah, that's definitely something that happened in volume 2. =)
    Walter: hahahah
    i think i pursed my lips when I read it
    "Did he... really just say that? Hmmmm...."
    Griffith: I'm glad Ito wasn't around then lol
    "That Monk, he beat me with his mind!"
    "I'll beat him... with this stick!"
    Walter: i can see Takuan and Ittosai having a drink together
    so at odds theyd get along great
    i need to reread that volume about Takuan's past
    28 or 29, cant remember
    Griffith: Yeah, it wasn't even when he was younf.
    His disgust seemed pretty recent, at least judging by his looks.
    Walter: aha, its 29
    the whole subplot of Ogawa really got screwed with the pacing, I felt
    a short scene spread out over like 6 episodes
    spread so thinly I couldnt even really tell you the significance, other than that he was convinced of Kojiro's mastery.
    Griffith: I don't even know what was up with that.
    Or our one-armed friend.
    Otaguro.
    Walter: ah yeah., forgot about him
    Griffith: So did Inoue. =)
    Walter: we see his silhouette!
    and that was it.
    Title: Re: Current Episodes Thread
    Post by: Grovel on October 12, 2009, 08:12:06 AM
    Haha, thank you, and I have to ask what you think of Musashi's latest predicament?

    All I can say is I was totally surprised by the fact that Musashi got knocked flat on his arse. Even with his injured leg I assumed he would be able to fend off Ittosai's attack - I should never take anything for granted! I love the way Inoue has made this his own version of Musashi's tale, this event didn't even happen in the novel (if I remember correctly - it has been a couple of years since I read it).

    Great stuff though - roll on 282  :guts:
    Title: Re: Current Episodes Thread
    Post by: Griffith on October 14, 2009, 06:57:59 AM
    All I can say is I was totally surprised by the fact that Musashi got knocked flat on his arse. Even with his injured leg I assumed he would be able to fend off Ittosai's attack - I should never take anything for granted!

    Yeah man, I felt like I got knocked on my ass by it! Was totally expecting Musashi to always somehow come through from here on out, so a great twist by Inoue. I always felt like these two needed to meet, but I didn't think it would end like this. Still hoping it's not resolved yet and that we'll get to see more of what Ittosai keeps up his sleeve.

    I love the way Inoue has made this his own version of Musashi's tale, this event didn't even happen in the novel (if I remember correctly - it has been a couple of years since I read it).

    If I remember right, Ito Ittosai didn't appear in the novel at all, so what an addition and a fantastic character. I may be committing sacrilege, but frankly, I think Vagabond surpassed the original a while ago.

    Great stuff though - roll on 282  :guts:

    I hope soon, too! :carcus:



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    Well, Matahatchi is back and recounting the good old days with Takezo. And it's already available... but what the hell happened to 282? :beast:

    Good episode anyway, Musashi seemed pretty deep for a 13 year old, did he get hit on the head later or something? Wish we had 282 for more context for his realization at the end, though it looks like he's "going toward the light" as Ueda put it. I'm also intrigued by this apparently light haired, blue eyed child Matahatchi is talking to...?
    Title: Re: Current Episodes Thread
    Post by: Grail on October 14, 2009, 04:42:11 PM
    Good episode anyway, Musashi seemed pretty deep for a 13 year old, did he get hit on the head later or something?
    I was wondering the same thing! As I was reading, I found myself trying to make some kind of connection between this philosophical kid who doesn't want to hate anyone and the nutty guy we meet in volume 1. From what it looks like right now, his father's obsession with invincibility must've had such a profound effect on Musashi that it caused him to lose sight of everyone and everything being part of some universal circle of kumbaya. :azan: Thanks a lot, dad.

    Wish we had 282 for more context for his realization at the end, though it looks like he's "going toward the light" as Ueda put it. I'm also intrigued by this apparently light haired, blue eyed child Matahatchi is talking to...?
    That's what's been bugging me since he was first introduced. Whether he's got some connection to a character who's already been introduced or he's on his own, I'm very curious to see if more parallels (besides the ones we've seen) will be drawn between him and Musashi. Blondie's carrying the torch, I can feel it! :guts:
    Title: Re: Current Episodes Thread
    Post by: Griffith on October 14, 2009, 06:44:04 PM
    I was wondering the same thing! As I was reading, I found myself trying to make some kind of connection between this philosophical kid who doesn't want to hate anyone and the nutty guy we meet in volume 1. From what it looks like right now, his father's obsession with invincibility must've had such a profound effect on Musashi that it caused him to lose sight of everyone and everything being part of some universal circle of kumbaya. :azan: Thanks a lot, dad.

    The connection must have been in 282! Anyway, it's not the first time Musashi has gone back to his childhood in order to have sort of reawakening in the present. It's funny, because, as you noted, he wasn't anything like this when first introduced. Though, the point was made, and you just hit it again, that he lost his way in anger after being abandoned by his mother and shunned by his father and basically society. But I chalk it up to something else though... he was a stupid teenager! I can remember similar moments of clarity as a boy, that sort of innocence and basic sense of truth children can possess, but 14-18? It's a blur, in more ways than one. =)

    That's what's been bugging me since he was first introduced. Whether he's got some connection to a character who's already been introduced or he's on his own, I'm very curious to see if more parallels (besides the ones we've seen) will be drawn between him and Musashi. Blondie's carrying the torch, I can feel it! :guts:

    Yeah, soap opera guesses have been popping up in the back of my mind since I saw this episode, "Could it be Matahatchi's secret love child? Musashi's kid, did he get a woman!? ...wait a minute, when would they meet a blond?" And of course, Matahatchi would probably recognize those unique traits then, if he wasn't beginning to, but still, unless the kid truly is random, I can't really think of a likely candida...

    Then, it hit me: :griffnotevil:
    Title: Re: Current Episodes Thread
    Post by: TheBranded1 on October 14, 2009, 10:13:44 PM


    Great mystery why no one bothered to show 282  :puck: I liked the episode eventhough I don't know what happened before this. Another thing in Matahachi's story, is that I see him calling Musashi that instead of Takezo. Maybe it is to tell the story to the bystanders that way who only know him as Musashi. You can even say that young Musashi is like a little mini-me Sekishusai.
    Title: Re: Current Episodes Thread
    Post by: Walter on October 14, 2009, 10:18:55 PM
    Another thing in Matahachi's story, is that I see him calling Musashi that instead of Takezo. Maybe it is to tell the story to the bystanders that way who only know him as Musashi. You can even say that young Musashi is like a little mini-me Sekishusai.
    This all makes me wonder if these two will meet once more before the series' conclusion, and what that meeting will mean for Matahachi.
    Title: Re: Current Episodes Thread
    Post by: Griffith on October 14, 2009, 10:36:13 PM
    This all makes me wonder if these two will meet once more before the series' conclusion, and what that meeting will mean for Matahachi.

    I was also wondering if they won't meet again and even reconcile. Then again, Matahatchi might just be calling him Musashi because that's how everyone knows him as Branded said (nobody wants to hear Takezo stories =), and he's so famous at that point and if still estranged to Mata, then even he would be thinking of him as Musashi. Of course, it begs the question where he heard the rest of the stories, or if he's just combining his personal experience with the rumors that time and the legends to follow. We know despite his disclaimer to the contrary, Matahatchi isn't opposed to embellishing a story. =)

    BTW, do you think this is just a coincidence or it's own thing, or is Matahatchi perhaps now being revealed as the narrator of sorts?
    Title: Re: Current Episodes Thread
    Post by: Walter on October 14, 2009, 10:44:41 PM
    BTW, do you think this is just a coincidence or it's own thing, or is Matahatchi perhaps now being revealed as the narrator of sorts?
    That's a really stunning possibility. But... I'd believe it more if this leap came at the very end of the story, not interspersed with other scenes. That would make it a complete "frame story."
    Title: Re: Current Episodes Thread
    Post by: Grail on October 15, 2009, 04:24:18 AM
    ...But I chalk it up to something else though... he was a stupid teenager! I can remember similar moments of clarity as a boy, that sort of innocence and basic sense of truth children can possess, but 14-18? It's a blur, in more ways than one. =)
    You do have a good point there, and it's interesting how Inoue can pick up on that kind of inconsistency that can be easily explained in reality, but might have trouble translating into a narrative. I do hope it's addressed in 282, though.

    Yeah, soap opera guesses have been popping up in the back of my mind since I saw this episode, "Could it be Matahatchi's secret love child? Musashi's kid, did he get a woman!? ...wait a minute, when would they meet a blond?" And of course, Matahatchi would probably recognize those unique traits then, if he wasn't beginning to, but still, unless the kid truly is random, I can't really think of a likely candida...

    Then, it hit me: :griffnotevil:
    Nice catch! I knew that kid looked familiar, but I just assumed that it was just a coincidence brought up by Inoue's drawing style. Goodness knows that if anyone could get ahold of the only blonde lady in Japan, it would be Kojiro. :slan:
    Title: Re: Current Episodes Thread
    Post by: Griffith on October 15, 2009, 08:32:42 AM
    That's a really stunning possibility. But... I'd believe it more if this leap came at the very end of the story, not interspersed with other scenes. That would make it a complete "frame story."

    Well, if it were at the very end, it'd probably be certain, doesn't mean it still can't end that way, and maybe Inoue even wants establish that without ending with Matahatchi being the last thing we see (if so, good call I say =), reserving that instead for Mushi going off into the sunset or something. Of course, having 282 would help since it could establish whether or not Matahatchi was actually telling that Ittosai encounter or if it was just a cute transition back to Musashi's time.

    You do have a good point there, and it's interesting how Inoue can pick up on that kind of inconsistency that can be easily explained in reality, but might have trouble translating into a narrative. I do hope it's addressed in 282, though.

    Me too, and I imagine there's some connection or segue, such as Musashi ending up on his back now like he did when he was a boy going the "dangerous way," and what that has to do with the limits of the body. As he did in volume 24, perhaps he'll once again find the solution to his current problem from a previous insight he's lost, or as Yagyu told him, "You had the answers inside you all along."

    Or he could just get some Berserk Armor:

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    Nice catch! I knew that kid looked familiar, but I just assumed that it was just a coincidence brought up by Inoue's drawing style. Goodness knows that if anyone could get ahold of the only blonde lady in Japan, it would be Kojiro. :slan:

    Yeah, and he's out to sea now, literally as bad a sailor traveling every port! Seriously though, where did this kid come from, where COULD he have come from? It's now the biggest mystery I want resolved.

    Update: Well, now I possibly know something about him, and warning, this is a true spoiler even if you're completely up to date, a spoiler for... after the series is over! This boy, or someone resembling him, will talk to an elderly Musashi before he dies.
    Title: Re: Current Episodes Thread
    Post by: TheBranded1 on October 19, 2009, 09:46:38 PM


    OK ladies and gentlemen, 282 is out! It had something to do with Matahachi's and Musashi's talk. But there were also others around. I"ll let you read it so I don't spoil anything.
    Title: Re: Current Episodes Thread
    Post by: Grail on October 19, 2009, 10:53:34 PM
    Thanks for the heads-up, Branded!

    Yeah, this definitely helps explain what happens in 283. Although, it brings up a slew of new questions, particularly regarding those last few pages. From how I'm looking at it now, it seems that Musashi's realized that he can control Sloggo, and... defeated Ito in a psychic rematch...?! :magni: Yeah, I'm a little confused. I can't decide if the last page is necessarily connected to the penultimate one. Considering the supernatural stuff that Inoue's introduced into the series before, I wouldn't put it past him.
    Title: Re: Current Episodes Thread
    Post by: Griffith on October 19, 2009, 11:27:28 PM
    OK ladies and gentlemen, 282 is out! It had something to do with Matahachi's and Musashi's talk. But there were also others around. I"ll let you read it so I don't spoil anything.

    I'll say it did, and much more, Yagyu, In'ei (been waiting to see or hear of him again), Inshun, Musashi, Ittosai... oh my)! Really, what an episode to miss, and I'm happy to have this missing link and chance to see what Musashi was up to after that encounter, and, somewhat unexpectedly, Ittosai too.

    Thanks for the heads-up, Branded!

    Yeah, this definitely helps explain what happens in 283. Although, it brings up a slew of new questions, particularly regarding those last few pages. From how I'm looking at it now, it seems that Musashi's realized that he can control Sloggo, and... defeated Ito in a psychic rematch...?! :magni:

    I'm not sure what's happening there either, though I don't think it was a psychic rematch so much as a re-examination of the match, which is what this whole episode is by the end. Like you, I wonder if Musashi is learning he can, or how he does, control Sloggo... and more, does he need him in that way? He asks whether it was something natural like his own body and the sword, and then either moves it forward with a wave of his hand, or reaches out to touch it and it recoils. So, to me it's a two-fold question, is Sloggo, or a force like it, natural and necessary, and if so, does it have to be like Sloggo, or can it be something more... serene, though no less effective, and perhaps even more so. I also think it ties in to the whole darkness vs. light thing Ueda has been mentioning concerning Musashi, with his latest actions and flashback definitely hinting at the light.

    Yeah, I'm a little confused. I can't decide if the last page is necessarily connected to the penultimate one. Considering the supernatural stuff that Inoue's introduced into the series before, I wouldn't put it past him.

    I think they are and they aren't; figuratively, they're connected, but not literally, that damage had already been done. I think Musashi and Ittosai just both came to the realization, in one case painful, that the match was a lot closer than it first appeared.

    Extrapolating all this and the message of 283 further, is it possible Musashi well knows the condition Ittosai could be in, and even willing to help him, if he can? Whatever's happening, I hope it isn't over for either of them. :void:
    Title: Re: Current Episodes Thread
    Post by: Eluvei on October 19, 2009, 11:51:28 PM
    I kinda felt bad seeing Ito falling on his knees.

    Considering the supernatural stuff that Inoue's introduced into the series before, I wouldn't put it past him.

    Haha, I don't think he'll go that far with this kind of stuff. In this case, it's probably a better view of what happened and then the effects of it on the last page, like Griffith said.

    Anyway, thanks Branded.
    Title: Re: Current Episodes Thread
    Post by: Grail on October 20, 2009, 12:04:54 AM
    Haha, I don't think he'll go that far with this kind of stuff. In this case, it's probably a better view of what happened and then the effects of it on the last page, like Griffith said.
    Yeah, you and Griff most likely have it right there. I wasn't completely convinced myself, but I don't think it hurts to keep your options open. :guts: After all, if you can have Ueda harassing Otsu from beyond the grave, where exactly do you draw the line? :troll:

    Extrapolating all this and the message of 283 further, is it possible Musashi well knows the condition Ittosai could be in, and even willing to help him, if he can? Whatever's happening, I hope it isn't over for either of them. :void:
    Yeah, I'm particularly looking forward to the next meeting between those two, or at least an explanation for Ito's mangled hand. :sad:
    Title: Re: Current Episodes Thread
    Post by: Griffith on October 20, 2009, 12:33:51 AM
    I kinda felt bad seeing Ito falling on his knees.
    Not me, I knew Mushi should have won! :troll:

    Yeah, you and Griff most likely have it right there. I wasn't completely convinced myself, but I don't think it hurts to keep your options open. :guts: After all, if you can have Ueda harassing Otsu from beyond the grave, where exactly do you draw the line? :troll:

    Oh, and I'm not completely convinced otherwise, I think it is one of those intangible Inoue things that's open to interpretation. Like Sekishusai's actions in the last couple of episodes, there's usually some kind of abstract supernatural connection between even the figurative and the literal in this story. =)

    Yeah, I'm particularly looking forward to the next meeting between those two, or at least an explanation for Ito's mangled hand. :sad:
    There might not be a "next meeting," because this one hasn't ended yet! :zodd:

    Either way though, I too want an Ittosai flashback, I've been expecting one since this encounter began, and there's certainly a better chance now than there seemed at the end of 281. I just hope it's not a... final one.

    It'd be pretty incredible if it turned out Sekishusai's, In'ei's, and Ittosai's deaths were all technically in the same the episode though, an incredible loss that is.
    Title: Re: Current Episodes Thread
    Post by: Eluvei on October 20, 2009, 10:37:06 AM
    After all, if you can have Ueda harassing Otsu from beyond the grave, where exactly do you draw the line? :troll:

    Like Sekishusai's actions in the last couple of episodes, there's usually some kind of abstract supernatural connection between even the figurative and the literal in this story. =)

    Yeah, you're both right. We can never be too sure, especially after Ueda's afterlife adventures.

    Either way though, I too want an Ittosai flashback, I've been expecting one since this encounter began, and there's certainly a better chance now than there seemed at the end of 281. I just hope it's not a... final one.

    As Grail said, we still have to see what happened to his hand, so I think it's likely that we get a flashback. And I hope Gonnosuke shows up in it, too. It's been a while since we heard from him, right?

    It'd be pretty incredible if it turned out Sekishusai's, In'ei's, and Ittosai's deaths were all technically in the same the episode though, an incredible loss that is.

    Talk about incredible. If that's a crow in the first panel of the last page, it's probably a hint that you're right, too. But it doesn't look like one, at least.
    Title: Re: Current Episodes Thread
    Post by: Walter on October 20, 2009, 02:59:07 PM
    Strange episode. But most definitely awesome. Even with a translation I walked away from it thinking .... wow .... what?

    In'ei splits a cup with his MIND, laments the death of his friend, while Musashi has a conversation with his life essence, which I think it's implied has been corrupted over time into Sloggo.

    That was my take on it anyway...

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    And potentially that the end is near for Vagabond as a series as well.  :void:
    Title: Re: Current Episodes Thread
    Post by: Griffith on October 21, 2009, 07:45:45 AM
    Yeah, you're both right. We can never be too sure, especially after Ueda's afterlife adventures.

    I'd like to catch up with him actually, see what he thinks of the preceding events.

    As Grail said, we still have to see what happened to his hand, so I think it's likely that we get a flashback. And I hope Gonnosuke shows up in it, too. It's been a while since we heard from him, right?

    Yeah, I'd still like to see Gonnosuke meet up with Musashi as well... though, more because they did in the book then for any reason inherent to Vagabond as it is. After all, I also want to see Musashi farming and saving villages Seven Samurai style. :ganishka:

    Talk about incredible. If that's a crow in the first panel of the last page, it's probably a hint that you're right, too. But it doesn't look like one, at least.

    Well, I hope not, I think it'd be pretty interesting if Musashi could get up and follow Ittosai, maybe even help him after we learned that you don't need to hate anyone! Then again, that's probably too much wishful thinking, more likely Ittosai will be alright on his own or Musashi will just feel bad about it after the fact.

    Strange episode. But most definitely awesome. Even with a translation I walked away from it thinking .... wow .... what?

    Definitely, and it puts 283 in a whole new light and vice versa. Really makes me excited for when we pick up with Musashi/Ittosai next.

    In'ei splits a cup with his MIND, laments the death of his friend,

    Well, I think the cup split on it's own while In'ei was meditating, signaling to In'ei that Sekishusai had died... not that that makes any more practical sense. Chalk it up to the supernatural figurative/literal abstracts we were just talking about.

    Musashi has a conversation with his life essence, which I think it's implied has been corrupted over time into Sloggo.

    Yeah, that's my feeling as well. I enjoyed Sloggo ranting and raving at Musashi to stop being such a philosopher wuss, which was pretty funny, "Why are you staring at the sky like that!?" And when Musashi again made peace with his defeat, "Gyaaaa!"

    That was my take on it anyway...
    And potentially that the end is near for Vagabond as a series as well.  :void:

    Yeah, Inoue once again took a turn that could be a shortcut in that direction if he wants. I don't know though, with the next LAST manga exhibit still touring around Japan, maybe we're safe until it's run is at an end. :badbone:



    Griffith: So what's your take on Ittosai in 282?
    Walter: i think he's grabbing where Mushi sliced him.
    for whatever reason
    Griffith: Haha, well, yeah, but beyond that.
    Walter: my first instinct was: HEART ATTACK
    Griffith: Well, I think because it hurts.
    Walter: next scene, he turns around and heads back to Mushi =)
    Griffith: I don't know if either of them are going to get up anytime soon. They're not the types to lay down unless they CAN'T get up.
    I'd like that though, Ito making his way back.
    Maybe award some extra points. =)
    So did Sloggo recoil from Musashi when he reached out for him, or was Musashi shaping him?
    My initial reaction was that Sloggo moved beyond his touch.
    "Get away from me!"
    "Don't touch me!"
     Walter: i honestly dont have any idea.
    Inoue has gotten pretty new age
    since those white blood cells were having a frame story in his leg
    Griffith: Haha
    Walter: Inoue: "Yeah, this makes sense. They'll get it."
    Griffith: Yeah, were spending a lot of time in Musashi's head.
    Hey, this all harks back to Yagyu though, your favorite part. =)



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    Musashi RISE! Anyway, looks like I'm not the only concerned innkeeper around here, and more more fun with Mr. Sloggo; seems Musashi actually manages to reach out and touch him this time, but can he transform him into a gentler spirit, or is Sloggo in his ear again?
    Title: Re: Current Episodes Thread
    Post by: TheBranded1 on October 21, 2009, 09:30:42 PM


    Pretty funny stuff, it seems Sloggo goes in a rant  and Musashi just comes and pets it. "Calm down little sloggo, it will be alright" :ganishka:
    Title: Re: Current Episodes Thread
    Post by: Griffith on October 22, 2009, 04:01:45 AM
    Pretty funny stuff, it seems Sloggo goes in a rant  and Musashi just comes and pets it. "Calm down little sloggo, it will be alright" :ganishka:

    Haha, there's another interpretation, and I like it. After Sloggo seemingly recoiled in 282, I thought it almost looked like Musashi was pushing him away this time, "Get outta here!"
    Title: Re: Current Episodes
    Post by: Griffith on October 27, 2009, 05:44:36 PM
    Well, this is a strange and bothersome trend, like 283 to 282, 285 has surfaced before 284...:???:

    Anyway, I guess I'll use spoiler tags for those waiting on 284.

    Ittosai has cleaned himself up a bit and is flashing back, we get to see Kojiro confront the old bastard after his battle with Koun, and there's even a Gonnosuke cameo... anyway, wow, when Ittosai said he wanted to fight Kojiro some day after he was more seasoned, I didn't think he meant like, the next day, but we'll see where this actually goes.
    Title: Re: Current Episodes
    Post by: Eluvei on October 27, 2009, 05:53:19 PM
    Damn, this sucks. He didn't even show the sketches for 285 yet, and it's already out?
    Thanks for putting spoiler tags, I'll definitely wait for 284 this time. There's no rush, especially since Miura's taking a break!  :troll:
    Title: Re: Current Episodes
    Post by: TheBranded1 on October 27, 2009, 08:43:44 PM
    It kinda feels like the backwards episode of Seinfeld. Oh well, I can't control it, so might as well enjoy any Vagabond that comes out. I noticed that they put the title in English this time Learning to smile] I guess the guy who put up the episode did it, but it kinda looks like it's part of the episode itself. Anyways, It was good to see Ittosai,Kojiro, and Gonnosuke again.
    Title: Re: Current Episodes
    Post by: Griffith on October 29, 2009, 09:05:04 AM
    Damn, this sucks. He didn't even show the sketches for 285 yet, and it's already out?

    Yeah, it's happened before where the episodes are out before the sketches are even up... usually it's a good thing though because we're getting the episodes fast, not in this case where only every other episode is arriving.

    Thanks for putting spoiler tags, I'll definitely wait for 284 this time. There's no rush, especially since Miura's taking a break!  :troll:

    Yeah, I figure I'll leave them up until we see 284 or 286, whichever comes first. Though maybe I shouldn't expect 286, but 287 instead. :iva:

    I noticed that they put the title in English this time Learning to smile] I guess the guy who made the episod did it, but it kinda looks like it's part of the raw itself.

    Ah, good note, I noticed that as well but forgot to mention it. I personally think it's a part of the episode; assuming it is, there must have been some kind of policy shift. I'm certainly happy about it since it will make my job compiling them easier, and it's also interesting since it's technically an even more official source than Viz. I wonder if there will be discrepancies in their translations, or if Viz will just adopt whatever is put forth in the original episodes (depends more on if the presentation of the titles in the volumes also changes).



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    Sort of ironic. :guts:

    Google translate gave me not one, but TWO wacky translations this time:

    Quote from: Inoue
    But in wrestling with the big paper panels with a gimlet too confined to the Museum of Contemporary Art Tokyo ... buster! 2009.10.29 Takehiko Inoue (this does not Name)
    Quote from: Inoue
    Is being confined to one's struggle with a huge paper on panel Museum of Contemporary Art Tokyo
    But ... too buster!


    2009.10.29
    Takehiko Inoue
    (This name is not)

    BTW, we'll have plenty of time to wait for 284 to surface, since 286 isn't coming out until November 26th. Of all luck, once again, Inoue and Miura go on vacation together...

    (http://www.skullknight.net/griffith/miurainoue.jpg)
    Title: Re: Current Episodes
    Post by: Eluvei on October 29, 2009, 10:19:24 PM

    Google translate gave me not one, but TWO wacky translations this time

    Oh man, "too buster"! Well, looks like he's having a hard time painting for that little exhibit or something.

    BTW, we'll have plenty of time to wait for 284 to surface, since 286 isn't coming out until November 26th. Of all luck, once again, Inoue and Miura go on vacation together...

    Hahaha, damn! They love going to the beach together! I hope we get 284 until they're back.
    Title: Re: Current Episodes
    Post by: Dante Julius on October 30, 2009, 11:46:10 PM
    I noticed that they put the title in English this time Learning to smile] I guess the guy who put up the episode did it, but it kinda looks like it's part of the episode itself.
    It would be very strange for someone to have done that themselves. I would wager the author just decided on a whim to put it in English. It's not unprecedented; chapter 268, "On the Edge of the Sword", was also in English. What's interesting is for 268 they had the furigana giving the phonetic reading, where as this time they didn't. I really wouldn't think that's a significant indication of whether or not it was done by the author though.

    As was disused briefly before, there wasn't any meaning behind Matahachi calling Takezou/Musashi "Musashi" in 283. It was just an error (since fixed). A perhaps informative note: "Takezou" and "Musashi" are actually written identically in Kanji; the reading is just different (readings aren't given all that often). That's why his pseudonym is Musashi in the first place.

    Also, apparently Volume 31 had a 6 extra pages for chapter 278.
    Title: Re: Current Episodes
    Post by: Griffith on October 31, 2009, 12:08:52 AM
    It would be very strange for the scanner to have done that themselves. I would wager the author just decided on a whim to put it in English. It's not unprecedented; chapter 268, "On the Edge of the Sword", was also in English. What's interesting is for 268 they had the furigana giving the phonetic reading, where as this time they didn't. I really wouldn't think that's a significant indication of whether or not it was done by the author though.

    It's interesting that they'd change such a basic part of the publication for a couple of episodes, I wonder what the specific reasoning was, or if was just a whim as you said.

    As was disused briefly before, there wasn't any meaning behind Matahachi calling Takezou/Musashi "Musashi" in 283. It was just an error (since fixed).

    Ah, thank you.

    A perhaps informative note: "Takezou" and "Musashi" are actually written identically in Kanji; the reading is just different (readings aren't given all that often). That's why his pseudonym is Musashi in the first place.

    Yeah, I remember the fact about Musashi's name even came up in story on a couple of occasions, which was a nice way of Inoue to incorporate that information.

    Also, apparently Volume 31 had a 6 extra pages for chapter 278.

    Thanks, I'll be sure to check out what those extra pages have to say.
    Title: Re: Current Episodes
    Post by: Eluvei on November 02, 2009, 12:00:39 PM
    Turns out I couldn't wait for 284 after all. Cool episode, I'll be very surprised if it turns out Kojiro's the one that deformed Ito's hand. Also, he doesn't look like he's getting any better; actually, right before the flashback he kinda has that "last breath" look on his face. I hope Musashi finds him and helps him out or something.
    Title: Re: Current Episodes
    Post by: Griffith on November 03, 2009, 02:42:00 AM
    Turns out I couldn't wait for 284 after all.

    Yeah, it's been too long, a most annoying reoccurrance, and unlike last time, still no sign of it. So, I'm calling off spoiler tags.

    Cool episode, I'll be very surprised if it turns out Kojiro's the one that deformed Ito's hand. Also, he doesn't look like he's getting any better; actually, right before the flashback he kinda has that "last breath" look on his face. I hope Musashi finds him and helps him out or something.

    Yeah, he does have that look, but I hope it's just the importance of the moment he's recalling. I also wouldn't expect Kojiro to be the one that took off his fingers, for one, the way the wound looks (though that's not totally reliable), and two, because he said to Musashi he's never gotten to face an opponent like him because they're always separated from him, so I'm wondering if that's going to happen again here. Perhaps Kojiro will only collapse like Guts when he first attacked Griffith. =)
    Or, how tragic would it be if samurai hunters or more of their opposition from that battle arrived and shot off Ittosai's fingers! :magni:
    Title: Re: Current Episodes
    Post by: Grail on November 03, 2009, 03:07:26 AM
    I also wouldn't expect Kojiro to be the one that took off his fingers, for one, the way the wound looks (though that's not totally reliable),
    Definitely agree. It looks more like a burn, or some kind of gunshot wound, like you mentioned. The flesh around his arm and hand looks way too lumpy to be a clean cut from a sword (as far as I know, anyway :iva: ).

    But the potential context of his wound is something that's had me wondering for a while now, particularly the fact that he's missing his thumb, index, and middle fingers, but still has his ring and pinkie fingers. If it was a gunshot wound, how could Ittosai avoid getting his whole hand blown off? There's also the question of whether he was holding a sword at the time.

    ... Oh, the suspense, it's killing me! :troll:
    Title: Re: Current Episodes
    Post by: Eluvei on November 03, 2009, 03:41:39 AM
    Yeah, you guys are right, it's very unlikely that Kojiro's responsible, the wound is way too ugly. Doesn't look like a cut, and especially not a cut Kojiro would give anyone. Plus, he looks half-dead while Ittosai is well rested and in perfect shape.

    Anyway, on The Eastern Edge's latest blog post (http://www.gottsu-iiyan.ca/gib/index.php/2009/11/02/title-5), gottsuiiyan posted two images which I believe are from 284, since they're not on my 285 scan and are certainly not from any previous chapters since Ittosai already has the wound Musashi gave him. He also mentions the Inn! Sweet!
    Title: Re: Current Episodes
    Post by: Griffith on November 03, 2009, 09:57:01 AM
    Definitely agree. It looks more like a burn, or some kind of gunshot wound, like you mentioned. The flesh around his arm and hand looks way too lumpy to be a clean cut from a sword (as far as I know, anyway :iva:).

    Yeah, the only thing that gives me doubt is, as you mention below, we don't know the full context of it yet, one thing might have led to another, which could have started with a bad cut. Another factor to consider is sometimes the look of these wounds change as the story goes along, like Guts' wound on his chest, and a few of Musashi's scars as well (though, that's mostly superficial where a slightly diagonal line becomes horizontal =). Anyway, a cut that severe might not heal cleanly no matter what, though I think we all agree the simplest explanation for the shape and appearance of the scarring is a powder wound of some kind.

    But the potential context of his wound is something that's had me wondering for a while now, particularly the fact that he's missing his thumb, index, and middle fingers, but still has his ring and pinkie fingers. If it was a gunshot wound, how could Ittosai avoid getting his whole hand blown off? There's also the question of whether he was holding a sword at the time.

    ... Oh, the suspense, it's killing me! :troll:

    Yeah, like we don't know if this was all scarring from the wound, or if some of the treatment contributed to the look, like if he cauterized it. I think the gun shot idea can work if it hit a specific part of his hand, basically on the side where the index, middle and thumb all connect. Speaking of which though, looking at all the images of his hand, particularly on page 19 of 282, I'm not sure it's those three fingers that are missing, but possibly the thumb and the pinkie, along with either the index or ring.
    At least in that scenario he kept the most important finger. :guts:

    Yeah, you guys are right, it's very unlikely that Kojiro's responsible, the wound is way too ugly. Doesn't look like a cut, and especially not a cut Kojiro would give anyone. Plus, he looks half-dead while Ittosai is well rested and in perfect shape.

    Yeah, that's what really makes me dubious about this, Kojiro should be totally spent and no match for Ittosai at that point in any case, plus what Ittosai already said about always being robbed of his worthy opponents. Anyway, if Kojiro managed to do that to him somehow, under these circumstances, that'd be incredible in every sense of the word.

    Anyway, on The Eastern Edge's latest blog post (http://www.gottsu-iiyan.ca/gib/index.php/2009/11/02/title-5), gottsuian posted two images which I believe are from 284, since they're not on my 285 scan and are certainly not from any previous chapters since Ittosai already has the wound Musashi gave him. He also mentions the Inn! Sweet!

    Wow, that's awesome, beautiful artwork from 284, and he even gave the Inn a hearty plug! I'll have to send him a thank you, add him to the links (http://www.gottsu-iiyan.ca/gib/index.php?s=Vagabond&submit=Go), and am reinstating spoiler tags on these recent episodes, so it's not false advertising, since he complimented us specifically for that. :SK:
    Title: Re: Current Episodes
    Post by: Grail on November 03, 2009, 03:35:33 PM
    Speaking of which though, looking at all the images of his hand, particularly on page 19 of 282, I'm not sure it's those three fingers that are missing, but possibly the thumb and the pinkie, along with either the index or ring.
    At least in that scenario he kept the most important finger. :guts:
    Interesting that you'd bring up that particular page, it wasn't one that I had spent a lot of time looking at with regards to Ittosai's finger placement. I had actually debated whether or not to bring up WHICH of his fingers are missing, but I felt pretty sure that it was the thumb, index and middle fingers that were gone after checking out page 18 of chapter 282 and, principally, the mangled hand's debut on page 6 of 281.

    It seems the most definitive to me in the latter case (particularly the upper left panel), though I do see that the former example doesn't give you a good idea of what might be going on unless you already had an image in your head beforehand.

    Either way, I can't help but wonder if Inoue's trying to torture us with this digit ambiguity on purpose, or if it's completely unintentional. :troll: I do hope it's the first case, so I won't feel so crazy for getting fixated on it.

    Wow, that's awesome, beautiful artwork from 284, and he even gave the Inn a hearty plug! I'll have to send him a thank you, add him to the links (http://www.gottsu-iiyan.ca/gib/index.php?s=Vagabond&submit=Go), and am reinstating spoiler tags on these recent episodes, so it's not false advertising, since he complimented us specifically for that. :SK:
    Haha, yeah, I read that bit at the end about spoiler tags and thought "whoops..." But I noticed you took care of the little spoiler snippet in my post, thanks! :guts:
    Title: Re: Current Episodes
    Post by: Griffith on November 03, 2009, 08:05:16 PM
    Interesting that you'd bring up that particular page, it wasn't one that I had spent a lot of time looking at with regards to Ittosai's finger placement. I had actually debated whether or not to bring up WHICH of his fingers are missing, but I felt pretty sure that it was the thumb, index and middle fingers that were gone after checking out page 19 of chapter 282 and, principally, the mangled hand's debut on page 8 of 281.

    It seems the most definitive to me in the latter case (particularly the upper left panel), though I do see that the former example doesn't give you a good idea of what might be going on unless you already had an image in your head beforehand.

    Yeah, 18 of 282 is the confusing one, the fingers look nearly identical, and even though we know there's a large chunk missing on the thumb side of his hand, in that picture it looks like there's possibly damage on the other side as well, even what could be two little stumps. Then again, it could just be his gross old hand. =)

    Either way, I can't help but wonder if Inoue's trying to torture us with this digit ambiguity on purpose, or if it's completely unintentional. :troll: I do hope it's the first case, so I won't feel so crazy for getting fixated on it.

    Yeah, we won't know for sure until we find out how it happened, and as I said before, wounds and their appearance can be inconsistent, even in series on the level of Vagabond or Berserk. Even having come up with it and the story behind it, Inoue himself probably isn't as fixated on the look of Ittosai's hand as we are. He should know, after all.... then again, look at Musashi's criss-cross forehead scar in volume 21; in the flash forward at the beginning of the volume, when Musashi is facing Den, it's not there, and then Seijuro gives it to him just 5 episodes later, and he obviously has it when we see him fight Den again. So, it wasn't planned, at least not that far ahead, and while this is kind of the opposite, we're starting with the scar and we'll see where it came from later, it just goes to show how quickly things can turn in the mind of Inoue.
    I wouldn't bet on it, but maybe he's still wondering what happened to the hand too? :iva:

    Haha, yeah, I read that bit at the end about spoiler tags and thought "whoops..." But I noticed you took care of the little spoiler snippet in my post, thanks! :guts:
    Yeah, I added minimal tags so as not to ugly it up too much, just the names to protect the innocent. :SK:
    Title: Re: Current Episodes
    Post by: Eluvei on November 03, 2009, 08:31:49 PM
    look at Musashi's criss-cross forehead scar in volume 21; in the flash forward at the beginning of the volume, when Musashi is facing Den, it's not there, and then Seijuro gives it to him just 5 episodes later, and he obviously has it when we see him fight Den again.

    Oh my... I never noticed that. How weird that he didn't fix it in the collected volume... Maybe he didn't notice too!  :troll:
    Title: Re: Current Episodes
    Post by: Dante Julius on November 06, 2009, 01:49:40 AM
    Well, I'd wager Kojirou cut off Itou's fingers at this point. That said, in chapter 163 or something Itou cut off a rifleman's hand (the wrong one though), perhaps long coming retribution?(< doubt it) Anyways, 285 is out in English. Hopefully it holds well with the context of 284 when it comes out.
    Title: Re: Current Episodes
    Post by: Griffith on November 06, 2009, 02:27:53 AM
    Well, I'd wager Kojirou cut off Itou's fingers at this point. That said, in chapter 163 or something Itou cut off a rifleman's hand (the wrong one though), perhaps long coming retribution?(< doubt it)

    Yeah, those are the #1 and #2 most fitting scenarios karmically, and it certainly appears as if we're heading towards the first one... though it doesn't seem quite right considering his opponent's condition and Ittosai's comment about never having fought someone of Musashi's caliber, unless he won despite what happened to his hand, or something fluky happens (Gonnusuke interferes somehow?). A firearms scenario would be most tragic, shades of Kyūzō in Seven Samurai. In any case, if it's Kojiro, it retroactively puts him at a whole other level (and it's not like he was a slouch to begin =).

    Anyways, 285 is out in English. Hopefully it holds well with the context of 284 when it comes out.

    Thanks for the head's up, was thinking about it today. I found the part with Musashi most interesting, since the Kojiro/Ittosai portion was pretty self-explanatory... I hope 284 makes Musashi's thoughts more clear though. Oh, and pages 10 and 11 are supposed to be a two page spread, no?
    Title: Re: Current Episodes
    Post by: TheBranded1 on November 06, 2009, 03:25:25 AM

    I also liked that part Griff! Check just below Gonnosuke's picture, looks like a hydrant was left open :guts:
    Title: Re: Current Episodes
    Post by: Griffith on November 06, 2009, 04:22:02 AM
    I also liked that part Griff! Check just below Gonnosuke's picture, looks like a hydrant was left open :guts:

    Yeah, I definitely noticed THAT, and the parallel to Ittosai doing it in front of Musashi now, as well as the language he used when confronting each of them ("play"). I wonder if he's also reminded because the results are going to be similar...?
    Title: Re: Current Episodes
    Post by: Dante Julius on November 06, 2009, 04:54:21 AM
    Ah, yeah, page 10 and 11 probably are a double. We'll fix that and update the files in a bit.

    Anyways, in 285, the way Itou treats Kojirou is making me think he doesn't consider him a true opponent in his present state. He describes Koujiro as a beast, a tiger, rather than a person. I doubt he would call a tiger an opponent even if it took his hand. He generally seems to look down on Kojirou's rage. Musashi, on the other hand, was calm and composed, ergo [his first] worth opponent.
    Title: Re: Current Episodes
    Post by: TheBranded1 on November 06, 2009, 05:05:01 AM
    Welcome to the Inn Dante, I was thinking just a moment ago, "Where do I know that name from"and I remember. "Of course." :ganishka:
    Title: Re: Current Episodes
    Post by: Griffith on November 06, 2009, 08:15:37 AM
    Anyways, in 285, the way Itou treats Kojirou is making me think he doesn't consider him a true opponent in his present state. He describes Koujiro as a beast, a tiger, rather than a person. I doubt he would call a tiger an opponent even if it took his hand. He generally seems to look down on Kojirou's rage. Musashi, on the other hand, was calm and composed, ergo [his first] worth opponent.

    That's an interesting interpretation, though Ittosai did refer to Jisai and even himself as a tiger before, I agree that he doesn't seem to be taking Kojiro as seriously as he could be. Possibly because for all of Kojiro's newly gained experience, he hasn't had time to recover and grow from it, so he's still unpolished; or, as you put it, he's still like a beast. I think Ittosai is underestimating the danger Kojiro, who's shocked him once before, poses, even to one such as himself. Of course, after his encounter with Musashi, I don't want to underestimate Ittosai again either. I don't know, my best educated guess is still Kojiro losing or something preventing the fight, so if Kojiro does lop off Ittosai's fingers, a part of me will be as shocked as Ito himself. Of course, that might be Inoue's intention.
    Title: Re: Current Episodes
    Post by: Dante Julius on November 06, 2009, 10:05:20 AM
    From what I've seen thus far, I think it's going to play out much like it did with Musashi. Itou will win, but, underestimating his opponent, it will costs him dearly (id est his fingers). Itou's style seems to be to rush in, consequences be damned, since his opponents are all below him as far as he's concerned. It works great with lesser opponents and, hell, even skilled ones, but when he runs into truly exceptional guys like Musashi and Kojirou, it's a double edged approach; he can win, but it can put him in dire straits (as with the most resent encounter with Musashi). In general, I'd say he's damn good but damn arrogant; he tends to end up the victim of his own hubris. His arrogance also explains why even though he himself is a beast of sorts, he still looks down on the other so called beasts.
    Title: Re: Current Episodes
    Post by: TheBranded1 on November 06, 2009, 04:29:22 PM
    From what I've seen thus far, I think it's going to play out much like it did with Musashi. Itou will win, but, underestimating his opponent, it will costs him dearly (id est his fingers). Itou's style seems to be to rush in, consequences be damned, since his opponents are all below him as far as he's concerned. It works great with lesser opponents and, hell, even skilled ones, but when he runs into truly exceptional guys like Musashi and Kojirou, it's a double edged approach; he can win, but it can put him in dire straits (as with the most resent encounter with Musashi). In general, I'd say he's damn good but damn arrogant; he tends to end up the victim of his own hubris. His arrogance also explains why even though he himself is a beast of sorts, he still looks down on the other so called beasts.

    This is what I think.I think Ittosai has been understimating opponents since he was with Jisai. Remember he told Jisai he no longer needed to be there and blatantly challenged him. Then after returning, he was also doing it again, by putting points in Denschishiro and company. I also think Ittosai will win, but for Kojiro it will be a very good learning experience. Heck, we might even see them traveling alittle bit more together. I might even think we see Kojiro's training or should say discovery on the "Tsubame Gaeshi".
    Title: Re: Current Episodes
    Post by: Griffith on November 06, 2009, 08:46:49 PM
    From what I've seen thus far, I think it's going to play out much like it did with Musashi. Itou will win, but, underestimating his opponent, it will costs him dearly (id est his fingers).

    Yeah, that'd complete the parallel, is he remembering that moment simply because his opponents were equally splendid, or because he's remembering the last time a fight really had consequences for him?

    Itou's style seems to be to rush in, consequences be damned, since his opponents are all below him as far as he's concerned. It works great with lesser opponents and, hell, even skilled ones, but when he runs into truly exceptional guys like Musashi and Kojirou, it's a double edged approach; he can win, but it can put him in dire straits (as with the most resent encounter with Musashi). In general, I'd say he's damn good but damn arrogant; he tends to end up the victim of his own hubris. His arrogance also explains why even though he himself is a beast of sorts, he still looks down on the other so called beasts.
    This is what I think.I think Ittosai has been understimating opponents since he was with Jisai. Remember he told Jisai he no longer needed to be there and blatantly challenged him. Then after returning, he was also doing it again, by putting points in Denschishiro and company. I also think Ittosai will win, but for Kojiro it will be a very good learning experience. Heck, we might even see them traveling alittle bit more together. I might even think we see Kojiro's training or should say discovery on the "Tsubame Gaeshi".

    Of course, if he easily handles everyone he underestimates, is he really underestimating them? :guts:

    This discussion reminds me of when young Ito challenged Jisai, when he first calls the sword a game (which explains his attitude), but also cries knowing he's surpassed his master, because it makes him feel terribly alone. He later tells Kojiro not to go too fast or he'll get bored, and again touches on this boredom, or tedium, with Musashi. I guess my point is that all his macho bluster covers a pain and yearning not unlike Musashi's, and in his time with Kojiro we learned how seriously he does take the sword, particularly fear, the importance of knowing it, and how to manage/use it. So, I don't know if he's really underestimating, or if that's just the exterior to his fear and resolve. I'm still giving him the benefit of the doubt, I don't think he could have done much better against Musashi in his condition, other than choosing not to fight, and we haven't seen him get burned otherwise... yet.
    Title: Re: Current Episodes
    Post by: Dante Julius on November 06, 2009, 09:37:46 PM
    Certainly the root cause might be fear and insecurity, but he still acts it out externally as if he is underestimating his opponent, so the physical results are the same. The cause might differ, but it ends similarly.

    Anyways, I think Itou shows us what further along the path of 'unrivaled under heaven' or the path of carnage looks like. The dark-side (or what every you want to call it) is the metaphorical symbolization of that path. It doesn't adapt laterally with the outside world but rather confronts and over powers it. That is to say its attributes are static, but it's intensity is variable. In following, Itou seems to not have grown much philosophically but does seem to have grown in his intensity and ability to wield it effectively. I think Itou might be meant to show the folly of acting youthfully in ones old age. Looking back, young Musashi and Itou act similarly and the urges that motivated those action now seem manifest in their dark-sides. As we can see by the size and maliciousness, Itou's intensity is massive, but perhaps there is an upper limit to it or it can never attain a large enough size to overcome the world more broadly. Musashi, on the other hand, is at least thinking about moving more laterally in his life path. Itou's intensity wins this time, but not by a wide margin, thus his current predicament. As far as Musashi can tell though, Itou's path has paid off, thus he is temped to follow him. I think Itou is meant to show that that path is tragic on at least some level. Besides the underlying insecurity you mentioned, at some point he lost part of his hand and to a swordsman, that is a tragedy. If Kojirou is able to be the one that takes his hand, even if he loses afterward, it shows that intensity is fickle and fleeing, thus reinforcing the point that Itou's [and potentially Musashi's] path is fundamentally flawed.
    Title: Re: Current Episodes
    Post by: Griffith on November 24, 2009, 07:30:16 PM
    Certainly the root cause might be fear and insecurity, but he still acts it out externally as if he is underestimating his opponent, so the physical results are the same. The cause might differ, but it ends similarly.

    Well, I think he probably has the proper readiness for his opponents, but doesn't show it, and even goes out of his way to intimidate them. Now, Kojiro is a whole different story, as Ittosai himself already admitted, like Jisai, he could longer tell the limits of Kojiro's potential. Let's see if that bears out here and he's caught off guard.

    Anyways, I think Itou shows us what further along the path of 'unrivaled under heaven' or the path of carnage looks like. The dark-side (or what every you want to call it) is the metaphorical symbolization of that path. It doesn't adapt laterally with the outside world but rather confronts and over powers it. That is to say its attributes are static, but it's intensity is variable. In following, Itou seems to not have grown much philosophically but does seem to have grown in his intensity and ability to wield it effectively. I think Itou might be meant to show the folly of acting youthfully in ones old age. Looking back, young Musashi and Itou act similarly and the urges that motivated those action now seem manifest in their dark-sides. As we can see by the size and maliciousness, Itou's intensity is massive, but perhaps there is an upper limit to it or it can never attain a large enough size to overcome the world more broadly. Musashi, on the other hand, is at least thinking about moving more laterally in his life path. Itou's intensity wins this time, but not by a wide margin, thus his current predicament. As far as Musashi can tell though, Itou's path has paid off, thus he is temped to follow him. I think Itou is meant to show that that path is tragic on at least some level. Besides the underlying insecurity you mentioned, at some point he lost part of his hand and to a swordsman, that is a tragedy. If Kojirou is able to be the one that takes his hand, even if he loses afterward, it shows that intensity is fickle and fleeing, thus reinforcing the point that Itou's [and potentially Musashi's] path is fundamentally flawed.

    I pretty much agree with that, especially the juxtaposition with Musashi, and we can already see him questioning that negative energy, as well as already being entranced with the positive ways of Sekshusai, whereas in his bloodthirsty youth he idolized Ittosai. Musashi's already considering the difference, with Ittosai and Sekishusai representing fundamentally different schools of thought on the way of the sword, the light and dark side as Ueda refers to it, or to once again throw out this quote from the novel, "Kojiro believed in the sword of strength and skill. Musashi believed in the sword of the spirit. This was the only difference between the two." As we've seen, Ito struggles to find satisfaction with the sword of strength and skill, while Yagyu has already passed away content with the sword of the spirit. So far Inoue's Musashi has vacillated between those extremes, so perhaps he will reconcile them in the middle way to attain true greatness.



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    Which each fall is one of the most busy year, especially this year, somewhat!
    (What, every year, you're talking)
    Vagabond Vol 32-minute episodes will also put it after two episodes.
    In fact the cover of volume 32 the other day after we passed another draw. 1 is released next month, is the Deadline is today. To fulfill the end without escaping.


    2009.11.24
    Takehiko Inoue

    It's back!


    Griffith: http://www.itplanning.co.jp/images/vaga/286b.gif
    Upper right
    Water: lol
    pixar's Vagabond!
    Griffith: That is one happy Ittosai.
    Water: if this is Kojiro/Ittosai, whats going on on the next page over
    looks like a spirit moving out of him
    Griffith: Kojiro beast
    Sloggo Kojiro
    Water: hehe
    would be interesting to see, if so.
    Griffith: Could be why Ittosai looks so happy.
    Other than it seems Kojiro attacked him.
    Water: or maybe Kojiro just has a cold
    Griffith: Haha, looks like Inoue plans to move a speech bubble to the other side of Ito's head.
    Well, it looks like somebodies Sloggo, Ito's or Kojiro's is coming out anyway.
    I've gotten way better at interpreting the sketches.
    Water: hehe
    Griffith: Used to just leave it to you, you were a master.
    I'd just see chicken scratch. =)
    It's why I never made it to the next level as an artist, "Look at that mess... why even bother?"
    Water: well, thanks. but its usually nonsense
    Griffith: "Where's my daughter at!?"
    Water: i mean i doubt even Inoue can make sense of some of these
    Griffith: "Shit, what did I want to draw here again... I can't read my own writing!"
    Water: i can see that happening =)
    ".....fuck!"
    Griffith: That leaves invisible thorns in the reader.
    And artist.
    Title: Re: Current Episodes
    Post by: TheBranded1 on November 24, 2009, 07:55:13 PM


    GREAT! Something to be thankful for this holidays. :guts: Oh I see Kojiro's sloggo's  :griffnotevil: I wonder how is his.
    Title: Re: Current Episodes
    Post by: Eluvei on November 24, 2009, 08:07:45 PM
    Nice!

    Well, on the other hand, I think there's no hope for 284 to show up now.
    Title: Re: Current Episodes
    Post by: Griffith on November 25, 2009, 10:42:21 PM
    I just saw 286, so don't look at this until you've seen it as well, obviously: Dante called it exactly.
    Title: Re: Current Episodes
    Post by: Eluvei on November 26, 2009, 12:03:08 AM
    (http://img502.imageshack.us/img502/4781/omgc.jpg)
    Title: Re: Current Episodes
    Post by: Griffith on November 26, 2009, 12:09:01 AM
     :ganishka:
    Title: Re: Current Episodes
    Post by: Eluvei on November 26, 2009, 02:21:48 AM
    Man, Kojiro performed that move on Ito in that physical condition? He could barely stand! What do you guys think that Sloggo thing coming out of him as he thrusted represented?

    Oh, and it looks like the old man's gonna live, thankfully. He doesn't look so bad anymore.


    Apparently, no 287 until 2010, guys. No big surprise, I guess.
    Title: Re: Current Episodes
    Post by: TheBranded1 on November 26, 2009, 04:57:20 AM


    GReat!I think that sloggo Kojiro has is the same blood thirst Musash and Itto have, but somehow he managed to stay put and focus. As you can see after he swings and the sword tip passes Ittosai's face, the next panel you can see with his right hand turning the blade so he can swing upwards.
    I think even Ittosai being injured his praising Kojiro.
    Title: Re: Current Episodes
    Post by: Griffith on November 26, 2009, 08:51:02 AM
    Man, Kojiro performed that move on Ito in that physical condition? He could barely stand! What do you guys think that Sloggo thing coming out of him as he thrusted represented?

    Oh, and it looks like the old man's gonna live, thankfully. He doesn't look so bad anymore.


    Apparently, no 287 until 2010, guys. No big surprise, I guess.

    I'm a little surprised, after all he did just take a break and was only one episode away from finishing the volume, his usual break time. Oh well, 2010 is only about a month away. I wonder if he's particularly busy with everything, just needs more rest, or more time to think about how to move forward with Vagabond.

    Anyway, I'm also surprised Kojiro was able to pull that off in the shape he's in, though it looks like Ittosai wasn't taking him particularly seriously in that state, and perhaps Kojiro even recognized this and intentionally used it against him, which might also explain that sloggo like presence that comes off him (blood thirst or fear one would think). It's like Kojiro went from being seriously pissed off and wild to serenely focused on what he was doing.

    GReat!I think that sloggo Kojiro has is the same blood thirst Musash and Itto have, but somehow he managed to stay put and focus. As you can see after he swings and the sword tip passes Ittosai's face, the next panel you can see wth his right hand turning the blade so he can swing upwards.
    I think even Ittosai being injured his praising Kojiro.

    Yeah, Ittosai certainly displays amazing temperament, you'd think he'd be more upset, or at least shocked over what's just happened to him. Maybe he is, but Ito is a strange man, it's not a stretch to thinks he almost appreciates it like a favor. Personally, I'd want to cut the little bastards hands off while he's down. =)
    Title: Re: Current Episodes
    Post by: Eluvei on November 27, 2009, 03:49:50 AM
    I'm a little surprised, after all he did just take a break and was only one episode away from finishing the volume, his usual break time. Oh well, 2010 is only about a month away. I wonder if he's particularly busy with everything, just needs more rest, or more time to think about how to move forward with Vagabond.

    Yeah, he's probably been busier since the exhibits. Also had to paint that huge thing for that museum in Tokyo, so I guess he's really beat.

    It's like Kojiro went from being seriously pissed off and wild to serenely focused on what he was doing.

    Indeed! And that's even more surprising when it comes from a guy that just fought a group of well trained swordsmen, was tired as hell and drank from a well that contained human feces!  :isidro:

    This is a little off, but do you guys think Musashi will ever fight Hyogonosuke? There was so much tension between them when their paths crossed.
    Title: Re: Current Episodes
    Post by: TheBranded1 on November 27, 2009, 04:42:04 AM

    This is a little off, but do you guys think Musashi will ever fight Hyogonosuke? There was so much tension between them when their paths crossed.

    I would say he doesn't. By the time they meet now, Hyougo might say, "Hey, you remind me so much of grandpa, I just can't fight you" But that's just a guess.
    Title: Re: Current Episodes
    Post by: Griffith on November 27, 2009, 06:42:59 AM
    Indeed! And that's even more surprising when it comes from a guy that just fought a group of well trained swordsmen, was tired as hell and drank from a well that contained human feces!  :isidro:

    Yeah, we'll know better with the translation, but I'm putting a lot of this on Ittosai. He was fighting maybe the greatest opponent of his life to that point, he just didn't know it, and so wasn't ready. A shame.

    This is a little off, but do you guys think Musashi will ever fight Hyogonosuke? There was so much tension between them when their paths crossed.

    There could be some kind of meeting similar to what Branded described, where one sort of politely defers to the other, or they just sort of size each other up, but at this point I wouldn't bet on them engaging in some epic bloody battle. Maybe they'll both be so centered, there won't be a need to fight? :SK:

    Of course, I haven't had the best luck predicting these things lately, I realize I was so much better at it when Musashi was fighting everybody and winning every time. =)

    While we're on the subject of the old days though...

    Speaking of Sloggo, I was reading through Vagabond again, and in volume 2, just as Kohei is about to kill Musashi after slashing him down form the tree, Kohei is distracted/scared shitless by a projection from Takuan. It looks like Takuan's Sloggo. Him all wrapped in buddhist imagery with a sword. I'd forgotten about the scene, but it's put into a new light now that Inoue has focused so much on this aggressive ego projection in recent chapters.
    Good call, I agree that all the sloggo stuff puts that in a new light, but I'd be wary of retroactively labeling them the same. For one, we see Takuan's sloggo for sure in volume 29, and it's quite different from the volume 2 image and more like what we see from Musashi and Ittosai. Of course, what happens in volume 2 could be it in a more concentrated, purposeful form, but it could also just be a similar artistic depiction of blood thirst or power. I don't know, but I think it bears more discussion, any other thoughts or counterpoints?

    I'm bringing this up again because just 4 episodes prior to the scene Wally was describing, in "#16 Captured" to be exact, we see another depiction that seems even more pertinent to the pre-Sloggo discussion.

    (http://www.skullknight.net/griffith/vol2sloggo2.jpg)(http://www.skullknight.net/griffith/vol2sloggo1.jpg)

    And after that, Inoue's between episodes doodle...

    (http://www.skullknight.net/griffith/vol2sloggo3.jpg)

    Protosloggo?
    Title: Re: Current Episodes
    Post by: Eluvei on November 27, 2009, 08:34:36 PM
    I never noticed that, it does look like Sloggo, Takuan's scary demon thing as well. Cool stuff!

    Yeah, we'll know better with the translation, but I'm putting a lot of this on Ittosai. He was fighting maybe the greatest opponent of his life to that point, he just didn't know it, and so wasn't ready. A shame.

    I still didn't read Musashi, so I don't know if it's obvious to you guys who have, but according to gottsuiyan's latest post (http://www.gottsu-iiyan.ca/gib/index.php/2009/11/27/my-manga-moment-of-the-year) (spoiler pics for 286 on the link), "that's the legendary tsubamegashi, or 'Swallow Return' (aka 'Swallow reverse' or 'Swallow counter'). The story goes that it was named this because the cut mimicked the motion of a swallow's tail during flight.".
    Title: Re: Current Episodes
    Post by: TheBranded1 on November 27, 2009, 10:52:47 PM


    I still didn't read Musashi, so I don't know if it's obvious to you guys who have, but according to gottsuiyan's latest post (http://www.gottsu-iiyan.ca/gib/index.php/2009/11/27/my-manga-moment-of-the-year) (spoiler pics for 286 on the link), "that's the legendary tsubamegashi, or 'Swallow Return' (aka 'Swallow reverse' or 'Swallow counter'). The story goes that it was named this because the cut mimicked the motion of a swallow's tail during flight.".

    We've seen that already in volume 24 when Kojiro Slashed Kohei(Baiken). It also has been mentioned in Viz manga at the end.
    Title: Re: Current Episodes
    Post by: Eluvei on November 27, 2009, 11:42:52 PM
    We've seen that already in volume 24 when Kojiro Slashed Kohei(Baiken).

    Oh, you're right, Branded. But it's not as obvious and depicted in such a detailed "step-by-step" drawing as it is now. And it's in volume 28 I think, not 24.

    It also has been mentioned in Viz manga at the end.

    Yeah, but I wasn't sure how he performed it. In fact, since he was famous for doing that with the drying pole, I thought the move would only show up when he fought Musashi or something, and it (probably) turned out to be the technique he developed while fighting Koun.
    Title: Re: Current Episodes
    Post by: Griffith on November 28, 2009, 09:40:50 AM
    Oh, you're right, Branded. But it's not as obvious and depicted in such a detailed "step-by-step" drawing as it is now.

    I actually had a problem with the depiction of it in this instance. Seemed like a dramatic embellishment that he'd literally flip his sword in mid air like that rather than turning it in his hands, or better, just turning his wrists. It's also hard to believe it could be so fast with so much complex and downright unnecessary movement, let alone that it would catch Ito Ittosai by surprise. Perhaps it was just that, an embellished or exaggerated, "slow motion," depiction for dramatic purposes.

    Yeah, but I wasn't sure how he performed it.

    Apparently nobody is, at least according to his wikipedia entry. =)
    Quote from: Wikipedia
    Swallow Cut

    His favorite technique was both respected and feared throughout feudal Japan. It was called the "Turning Swallow Cut" or "Tsubame Gaeshi" (燕返し lit. "Swallow Reversal / Return"), and was so named because it mimicked the motion of a swallow's tail during flight as observed at Kintaibashi Bridge in Iwakuni. This cut was reputedly so quick and precise that it could strike down a bird in mid-flight. There are no direct descriptions of the technique, but it was compared to two other techniques current at the time: the Ittō-ryū's Kinshi Cho Ohken and the Ganryū Kosetsu To; respectively the two involved fierce and swift cuts downward and then immediately upwards. Hence, the "Turning Swallow Cut" has been reconstructed as a technique involving striking downward from above and then instantly striking again in an upward motion from below. The strike's second phase could be from below toward the rear and then upward at an angle, like an eagle climbing again after swooping down on its prey.
    How fitting, pertaining to Vagabond, that it would be compared to a technique of the Ittō-ryū style. :guts:

    In fact, since he was famous for doing that with the drying pole, I thought the move would only show up when he fought Musashi or something, and it (probably) turned out to be the technique he developed while fighting Koun.

    Well, I wonder if we're ever going to see the Drying Pole again (assuming he didn't already retrieve it or start using another sword of that length, which nobody has commented on). Last we saw it had been tossed into the ocean, so unless Kojiro went, or goes, home for a nostalgic swim...
    Title: Re: Current Episodes
    Post by: Eluvei on November 28, 2009, 09:23:51 PM
    Perhaps it was just that, an embellished or exaggerated, "slow motion," depiction for dramatic purposes.

    Yeah, that's how it looks. It does seem a little odd and not a very Vagabondish way to depict moves, but I'm sure it's just Inoue's way to tell us he performed the move, and that there's no question about it, or something like that... not that there's any way to be sure, as mentioned in the Wikipedia entry. Wow this was confusing.

    Well, I wonder if we're ever going to see the Drying Pole again (assuming he didn't already retrieve it or start using another sword of that length, which nobody has commented on).

    I think it's probably gonna be a new, bigger sword if the Drying Pole ever shows up. Although the old sword was big, he probably grew up since he last saw it, right? I can't be sure.

    Last we saw it had been tossed into the ocean, so unless Kojiro went, or goes, home for a nostalgic swim...

     :ganishka:
    Title: Re: Current Episodes
    Post by: Griffith on November 28, 2009, 10:16:53 PM
    Yeah, that's how it looks. It does seem a little odd and not a very Vagabondish way to depict moves, but I'm sure it's just Inoue's way to tell us he performed the move, and that there's no question about it, or something like that... not that there's any way to be sure, as mentioned in the Wikipedia entry. Wow this was confusing.

    Haha yeah, and reading the translation it does seem clear it was more about Ittosai not paying attention than anything Kojiro did, other than being great in his own right. 1,000 points! =)

    I think it's probably gonna be a new, bigger sword if the Drying Pole ever shows up. Although the old sword was big, he probably grew up since he last saw it, right? I can't be sure.

    Well, the sword was still relatively large compared to the norm, and Kojiro being so large yet graceful now would seemingly make it a perfect fit for him. Inoue hasn't really mentioned it though since the Kojiro arc... :griffnotevil:
    Title: Re: Current Episodes
    Post by: Eluvei on November 29, 2009, 01:35:27 AM
    "It's only a light wound"   :guts:
    What would be more than enough for a normal man to give up on the sword is just a light wound to him. So badass.

    Well, the sword was still relatively large compared to the norm, and Kojiro being so large yet graceful now would seemingly make it a perfect fit for him. Inoue hasn't really mentioned it though since the Kojiro arc... :griffnotevil:

    Yeah. I don't expect a Dragon Slayer, but I'd like to see him with a sword at least as big as the one he had as a child.
    Title: Re: Current Episodes
    Post by: Grail on November 29, 2009, 02:22:09 AM
    Well, so much for all that gunfire speculation! :troll: I'm kind of glad that it turned out the way it did, actually. Thinking back, it could have been very anticlimactic for Ittosai to be so severely injured by anyone else. Judging by his reaction, maybe Ito feels the same way? :SK:

    "It's only a light wound"   :guts:
    What would be more than enough for a normal man to give up on the sword is just a light wound to him. So badass.
    Tell me about it! But I guess that just goes to show how people like Ittosai, Kojiro and Musashi are in a dimension all their own. Their commitment is so absolute that even an otherwise crippling injury is but a... wait, too early for Monty Python jokes? :guts:
    Title: Re: Current Episodes
    Post by: Griffith on November 29, 2009, 05:08:56 AM
    "It's only a light wound"   :guts:
    What would be more than enough for a normal man to give up on the sword is just a light wound to him. So badass.

    It's not clear by the translation, but he might have also been talking to Kojiro there. At least that's what I think.

    Yeah. I don't expect a Dragon Slayer, but I'd like to see him with a sword at least as big as the one he had as a child.

    Me too, I'd actually like him to get the childhood one back, or at least something that reminds him of it.

    Well, so much for all that gunfire speculation! :troll:
    Yeah, I like all the effort we put into alternatives to the obvious, even as the obvious was happening. :badbone:

    I'm kind of glad that it turned out the way it did, actually. Thinking back, it could have been very anticlimactic for Ittosai to be so severely injured by anyone else. Judging by his reaction, maybe Ito feels the same way? :SK:

    Yeah, the circle is complete, though I still found it a little unsatisfying (not that I'm unsatisfied, just that the scenario leaves something to be desired for all involved). It's like a compromise; perfectly fitting big picture-wise, though still a little fluky and tragic in the details. "There are no winners."

    Tell me about it! But I guess that just goes to show how people like Ittosai, Kojiro and Musashi are in a dimension all their own. Their commitment is so absolute that even an otherwise crippling injury is but a... wait, too early for Monty Python jokes? :guts:

    "AYE'M INNNVINSABULL!!"
    Title: Re: Current Episodes
    Post by: TheBranded1 on November 29, 2009, 05:33:59 AM
    "It's only a light wound"   :guts:
    What would be more than enough for a normal man to give up on the sword is just a light wound to him. So badass.


    As Griffith said, I think he was refering to Kojiro. On that same panel Ittosai said "Got greedy, shoulda dodged or something. That's what happens when you try hard, but arent able to truly commit to killing. In other words, I overstimated myself". What I get from this, is that he tried only to subdue Kojiro, by not killing him, but because of this he got that wound. But still so composed calling Kojiro "Damn tiger" (http://msnsmileys.net/z/smileys/Zoo/Tiger.gif)

    This should be a nice break for us to keep speculating. I dare to say that I"m hoping to see Otsu on 287.
    Title: Re: Current Episodes
    Post by: Eluvei on December 01, 2009, 03:25:26 AM
    It's not clear by the translation, but he might have also been talking to Kojiro there. At least that's what I think.
    As Griffith said, I think he was refering to Kojiro.

    You guys are right, I misinterpreted it, I'm sorry. Well, he's still badass!

    This should be a nice break for us to keep speculating. I dare to say that I"m hoping to see Otsu on 287.

    Yeah, this flashback ended sooner than I thought it would. Now I wonder if we'll see more of Gonnosuke, or if that was his farewell from the series. I sure hope not, I wanna see him fighting, and if he still looks stylish!



    Sorry for double posting, but good news everyone!

    284 has finally shown up, as well as 287.
    I won't comment since there's a lot of dialogue and I didn't understand anything worth mentioning about the two episodes.  :azan:
    Title: Re: Current Episodes
    Post by: Griffith on December 01, 2009, 03:47:24 AM
    You're forgiven, that was one HELL of a double post, double the Vagabond! :isidro:

    So much for 2010, I'm kind of reeling... very cool stuff, some random thoughts: *spoilers, but nothing too big* I like these two episodes even more than the last two. I'm always fascinated with Musashi's between fight revelations, and watching him toss Sloggo away like garbage was sure interesting... btw, I'm not the only one who thinks what Ito reached for and grabbed afterward wasn't just a coincidence, right? :ganishka:

    Page 19 of 284, particularly Ito's expression, is a favorite. As for 287, that one is going to be amazing when we can read it, I'm already really looking forward to the Viz translation of this volume. Oh, and Musashi gets revenge by killing Ittosai's stunt double!? :guts:
    Title: Re: Current Episodes
    Post by: Eluvei on December 01, 2009, 04:34:51 AM
    You're forgiven, that was one HELL of a double post, double the Vagabond! :isidro:

    Phew, that's a relief!  :slan:

    and watching him toss Sloggo away like garbage was sure interesting... btw, I'm not the only one who thinks what Ito reached and grabbed afterward wasn't just a coincidence, right? :ganishka:

    Yeah, but Sloggo's sure to return! The drawing of the huge Sloggo around Musashi is amazing.

    The panel of him smelling the thing in his hand answers your question  :troll:

    Page 19 of 284, particularly Ito's expression, is a favorite.

    My favorite is definitely young Takezo kicking ass at the war. Damn!

    As for 287, that one is going to be amazing when we can read it

    Is it me or Ito's Sloggo showed up because he was infuriated by not being able to use his hand?

    And Griff, page 15 of 287 reminded me of this! God, I love the exhibit. (http://www.skullknight.net/griffith/lastyagyu3.jpg)
    Title: Re: Current Episodes
    Post by: Griffith on December 01, 2009, 04:51:34 AM
    Griffith: Read the episodes?
    Walter: nah, ill wait for a trans
    Griffith: I don't know if they seem more badass just because they go missing or what...
    Walter: "I didn't understand anything worth mentioning about the two episodes"
    Griffith: Not for the really dialogue heavy stuff.
    Walter: that was my cue to skip out
    Griffith: I recommend the opposite.
    Itto goodness.
    Musashi has a new advisor.
    Walter: i think 287 will have some great lines
    getting in Itto's head
    Griffith: Certainly.
    Walter: but right now it's pretty confusing
    Griffith: Everyone Musashi lays down he's going to see Ito looking down on him, dispensing condescending advice. =)
    Walter: i loved in 284, Mushi pushes the sludge-like Sloggo away, and 2 pages later, Itto is grabbing sludge on the road and putting it on his wound.
    Griffith: Awesome, I had just posted about that!
    Yeah, that was great.
    And Ito's expression on page 19 of 284
    Walter: yeah lol thats what stayed with me
    i just opened it to see it again
    Griffith: I can hear the dude, "It's bummer man."
    Walter: hahahah
    Griffith: Yeah, 287 is pretty unprecedented territory for Ito.
    Page 4 and 5.
    Almost sentimental.
    Musashi then gets his revenge by killing Ito's stunt double.
    Griffith: That's a pretty unique picture of Musashi on page 15 of 287.
    A little different.
    Walter: yeah at the end of 287, i dont think its a coincidence that Inoue chose to show the number of fingers on the dead guy's hand. because it's a little confusing
    the past few episodes have really left me feeling spoiled with all this Itto goodness
    Griffith: Guy looks exactly like Ito... from behind.
    Walter: Mushi and Ittosai on the same page, it's still like a wet dream for me =)
    Griffith: Yeah, it's making me hurt for the Viz volumes.
    I need the pure uncut Peruvian Ittosai.
    Walter: I keep expecting Matahachi to intervene saying: hahaha, wouldnt that be great, two such masters to meet! Oh well, here's the real story...
    Griffith: "Musashi and I were playing sword fight in the bathroom... wait, where are you going!?"
    "This is the TRUE story!"
    BTW, what'd you think of 30?
    Speaking of, for contrast, have you ever seen Musashi happier after a fight?
    It's about as content as he's been recently.
    Walter: im holding out any feelings about 287 until i see the translation
    it sort of just washed over me.
    Griffith: Yeah
    I'm excited for the extended Ittosai conversations with Mushi.
    Plus Ito's personal monologues.




    Yeah, but Sloggo's sure to return! The drawing of the huge Sloggo around Musashi is amazing.

    Agreed on both counts.

    Is it me or Ito's Sloggo showed up because he was infuriated by not being able to use his hand?

    Yeah, that was my first thought as well. He could also just be getting into the proper mindset for what he's doing.

    And Griff, page 15 of 287 reminded me of this! God, I love the exhibit. (http://www.skullknight.net/griffith/lastyagyu3.jpg)

    I guess Musashi should "smile more", but it's probably hard while killing men that are attacking you from behind.
    Title: Re: Current Episodes
    Post by: TheBranded1 on December 01, 2009, 05:43:15 AM

    This was just great!Too bad I have a slow connection and just finished reading these episodes. Don't worry about the double posting Eluvei, it was necessary. What I like to know about 284 if the writing in the wall next to the statue young Takezo has is of names of people he has defeated? I"m going on a long shot, but I"ll say that kid was telling Matahachi a story about his mother or something like that, that's why Matahachi had the tears. That picture of the giant sloggo is sure very nice, but that Ittosai pic you mention sure is better. I can imagine Ittosai saying "It's a tiger wound" :guts:

    As for 287 I have to wait for the translation as you guys. But hopefully is as great as the pictures depict.
    Title: Re: Current Episodes
    Post by: Eluvei on December 01, 2009, 05:52:29 AM
    Walter: i loved in 284, Mushi pushes the sludge-like Sloggo away, and 2 pages later, Itto is grabbing sludge on the road and putting it on his wound.

    Wow I feel really stupid, but I didn't realize that. When you mentioned it Griff, I just thought you meant horse manure! Haha  :troll:

    Yeah, that was my first thought as well. He could also just be getting into the proper mindset for what he's doing.

    It could be. But on the first panel, with the two fingers trying to pull the sword, I kinda have the impression he's using all his strength and couldn't move it, you know? As if he tried to use his arm because of force of habit, and then realized he couldn't anymore. There's always a moment of pure frustration before we explode in anger when something like this happens, and that moment's when he pulled the sword with the other arm, and the anger is that little sloggo leaking from him... or something like that.

    I guess Musashi should "smile more", but it's probably hard while killing men that are attacking you from behind.

     :ganishka:

    That picture of the giant sloggo is sure very nice, but that Ittosai pic you mention sure is better.

    We're forgetting to mention 284's last page. It looks amazing. If we pretend we didn't read 286 and therefore have no idea what he's probably revealing, it looks even better.  :guts:
    Title: Re: Current Episodes
    Post by: Griffith on December 01, 2009, 06:37:43 AM
    What I like to know about 284 if the writing in the wall next to the statue young Takezo has is of names of people he has defeated?

    Yeah, I believe we first saw those inscriptions in 280 while young Takezo was cutting men down. He's like a serial killer... My old kill list sig wasn't far off.

    I"m going on a long shot, but I"ll say that kid was telling Matahachi a story about his mother or something like that, that's why Matahachi had the tears.
    A bold guess, but wrong! Translations is out btw. :badbone:

    That picture of the giant sloggo is sure very nice, but that Ittosai pic you mention sure is better. I can imagine Ittosai saying "It's a tiger wound" :guts:

    If we'd had this episode to begin with, it would have saved us a lot of wrongheaded speculation about 286, but I'm glad it turned out this way though, spurned lots of good discussion.

    As for 287 I have to wait for the translation as you guys. But hopefully is as great as the pictures depict.

    We apparently won't have to wait long.

    Wow I feel really stupid, but I didn't realize that. When you mentioned it Griff, I just thought you meant horse manure! Haha  :troll:

    Haha, yeah, it's like Musashi tossed that shit, and Ittosai picked it right up and rubbed it all over himself. Of course, let's not forget, despite Musashi's actions there, Sloggo already came back in 285.

    It could be. But on the first panel, with the two fingers trying to pull the sword, I kinda have the impression he's using all his strength and couldn't move it, you know? As if he tried to use his arm because of force of habit, and then realized he couldn't anymore. There's always a moment of pure frustration before we explode in anger when something like this happens, and that moment's when he pulled the sword with the other arm, and the anger is that little sloggo leaking from him... or something like that.

    Yeah, it's the first and probably best impression one gets from it, he tried drawing his sword with his mutilated right hand, probably for the umpteenth time, failed and had to grab it with the left, then felt the frustration and anguish of it all over again. Like Musashi trying to put weight on that bum leg of his.

    We're forgetting to mention 284's last page. It looks amazing. If we pretend we didn't read 286 and therefore have no idea what he's probably revealing, it looks even better. :guts:

    It's actually the other way around, good thing we didn't read this episode before 286!

    So Musashi and Kojiro tied on points, but Kojiro gets the Ittosai seal of approval. Not really fair, Musashi is handicapped too, I say that make it even. I appreciated Ittosai referring to Musashi as "that damn kid" too.
    Title: Re: Current Episodes
    Post by: TheBranded1 on December 01, 2009, 04:42:21 PM
    So Musashi and Kojiro tied on points, but Kojiro gets the Ittosai seal of approval. Not really fair, Musashi is handicapped too, I say that make it even. I appreciated Ittosai referring to Musashi as "that damn kid" too.

    Yeah, I agree :azan:
    Title: Re: Current Episodes
    Post by: Eluvei on December 01, 2009, 07:05:14 PM
    I don't know, guys. I think it's fair he thinks Kojiro is better. Kojiro was so tired that he was almost insane; he had just fought like never before and was able to get 1000 points in that condition. When they fought, Ito was at a clear advantage. Ito was totally fooled by Kojiro's technique in a fight which he clearly had the upper hand (no pun intended).

    Now, sure, Musashi had his leg to worry about, and it's a new wound which he's getting used to, but Ito doesn't have a goddamn hand. I mean, I don't agree with him, but I can understand why he thinks Kojiro is better.

    Also, I have to say that after reading the translation, I wish I hadn't seen the 284 raw.The beautiful Sloggo Spiral of Death and Killing's sequence of images is much more powerful when you know what Musashi's talking. It's probably one of the best parts of the volume.
    Title: Re: Current Episodes
    Post by: Griffith on December 02, 2009, 10:31:45 AM
    I don't know, guys. I think it's fair he thinks Kojiro is better. Kojiro was so tired that he was almost insane; he had just fought like never before and was able to get 1000 points in that condition. When they fought, Ito was at a clear advantage. Ito was totally fooled by Kojiro's technique in a fight which he clearly had the upper hand (no pun intended).

    Now, sure, Musashi had his leg to worry about, and it's a new wound which he's getting used to, but Ito doesn't have a goddamn hand. I mean, I don't agree with him, but I can understand why he thinks Kojiro is better.

    Yeah, it's perfectly reasonable he'd feel that way, Kojiro clearly exceeded expectations while Musashi's showing was relatively disappointing... of course, that was before Musashi's "nonchalant" cut brought Ittosai to his knees. :zodd:

    Also, I have to say that after reading the translation, I wish I hadn't seen the 284 raw.The beautiful Sloggo Spiral of Death and Killing's sequence of images is much more powerful when you know what Musashi's talking. It's probably one of the best parts of the volume.

    Like I said, I can't wait to thumb through the Viz release. Some ruminations on all this... Ittosai's encounter with Yagyu, when Sekishusai stifles him by comparing him to a beast, and it seems Yagyu later refers to Ittosai's aggression with the lines, "Oh, don't worry." "That is unrivaled under heaven (invincible under the sun)... he takes it to the extreme." This doesn't seems like a left handed compliment.

    Also, Musashi's attempt at the center path with Ittosai at the end of their encounter, it seemingly mirrored the advice given to him by the Kyoto Shoshidai, "If everyone could be as strong as you... then when people confront each other face to face like this... both sides could remain centered... there would be no fight. It would no longer be necessary, don't you think?" This wasn't a rhetorical question, he genuinely asked Musashi if the opposite was true, if you needed to fight to be as strong as him, if it had to be at the expense of others, and Musashi didn't know. You could say that Sekishusai exemplified the centered approach in his meeting with Ittosai; he didn't rise to Ittosai's bait, didn't contest him in any way, but also didn't give an inch and figuratively disarmed him. No fight necessary.

    So why did Musashi fail? To put it simply, his attempt was a mixed message; vacillating between two extremes, delivered without confidence, just awkward and flawed. I think a deeper connection lies earlier in his conversation with the Shoshidai:

    Itakura Katsushige: "When I met you yesterday... I must admit I felt intimidated."
    Musashi: "How so...?"
    Itakura Katsushige: "I have followed the way of the sword too... perhaps more than most. That's why... You've reached a state of strength that I will never know. I feel inferior. I managed not to show it... because I've reached this ripe old age. That feeling, it starts out as only the smallest of waves. Once the heart becomes insecure it freezes up. Your soul tightens up and closes off everything. The insecurity grows and turns to fear and then hatred. And the opposite is just as bad. Idolatry... and imitation. You become needy... and dependent. Your eyes and soul appear to be open but are truly blind."


    Musashi did try to be centered, but as he admitted, his fear and hatred got the best of him, so even when he tried again, this time by trying to placate Ittosai (and perhaps imitate Sekishusai, to impress them both), it was ineffective, and Ittosai couldn't accept it. There had to be a fight.

    In this regard, did they not both, Musashi and Ittosai, show weakness?
    Title: Re: Current Episodes
    Post by: Uriel on December 02, 2009, 06:01:13 PM
    All caught up! Just need to "read" the Japanese scans for 287 now....

    Why the frell did Kojirou attack Ittosai? I must be forgetting some important fact. Is this directly after Sekigahara?
    Title: Re: Current Episodes
    Post by: TheBranded1 on December 02, 2009, 06:22:33 PM
    All caught up! Just need to "read" the Japanese scans for 287 now....

    Why the frell did Kojirou attack Ittosai? I must be forgetting some important fact. Is this directly after Sekigahara?

    Yeah, after he fought those soldiers that lost the battle. Especially Koun who he fought at the end. And Ittosai said this after he abandoned Kojiro " I may know myself, but I know nothing about others. I"m not suited to bringing up anyone, but there is one thing I can do for Kojiro. I can have him go through what I did. All I can say is...become me" At the endo f volume 18.
    Title: Re: Current Episodes
    Post by: Uriel on December 02, 2009, 07:34:37 PM
    Cheers, Branded!


    The beautiful Sloggo Spiral of Death and Killing's sequence of images is much more powerful when you know what Musashi's talking. It's probably one of the best parts of the volume.


    Took the liberty of doing a quick tidy-up. Here, this (http://img38.imageshack.us/img38/3994/spiralofdeath.jpg) is for you.
    Title: Re: Current Episodes
    Post by: Eluvei on December 02, 2009, 08:26:06 PM
    In this regard, did they not both, Musashi and Ittosai, show weakness?

    I just want you to know that this post made me completely reread their encounter, and I still have nothing as clever to say about it. What a fantastic analysis of both characters' actions.

    Took the liberty of doing a quick tidy-up. Here, this (http://img38.imageshack.us/img38/3994/spiralofdeath.jpg) is for you.

    Thanks Uriel! Try to show up more now that you've caught up!  :troll:

    I just found out the next episode will come in late January. I thought it would be a longer break since the exhibit's coming up. I hope we get to see 32's cover while he's on the break! And I'm expecting some Ito!  :guts:
    Title: Re: Current Episodes
    Post by: Griffith on December 02, 2009, 11:33:19 PM
    A Uriel sighting! How ya been? :badbone:

    I just want you to know that this post made me completely reread their encounter, and I still have nothing as clever to say about it. What a fantastic analysis of both characters' actions.

    Yeah, I was rereading volume 30, and started with the premise that Musashi attempted the center path and perhaps it was Ito that had been the one to act weakly, or flinch in the face of that. Then reading both parts side by side, I could see so many parallels with both of them, and how they both tried to relate to, and ultimately came up short of, Sekishusai.
    In other words, I got carried away. :ganishka:

    I just found out the next episode will come in late January. I thought it would be a longer break since the exhibit's coming up. I hope we get to see 32's cover while he's on the break! And I'm expecting some Ito!  :guts:

    Oooh, I didn't even think about that yet, the possibility of an Ito cover, that would be great. I'm now officially going to be dissapointed with anything else (unless it's on the level of 31).
    Title: Re: Current Episodes
    Post by: Uriel on December 03, 2009, 01:09:40 AM

    A Uriel sighting! How ya been? :badbone:
    Busy like you wouldn't believe. But after seeing that panel, I found some time to clean it up :guts:

    My semester is coming to a close soon, so hopefully I will be able to spend more time here. Sadly, it seems the next chapter won't be coming out until the Spring semester is almost on my doorstep. Damn Inoue!

    Anyway, I'll be re-reading from around volume 25 soon -- so expect me to pop up!
    Title: Re: Current Episodes
    Post by: Griffith on December 03, 2009, 01:23:42 AM
    Busy like you wouldn't believe. But after seeing that panel, I found some time to clean it up :guts:

    My semester is coming to a close soon, so hopefully I will be able to spend more time here. Sadly, it seems the next chapter won't be coming out until the Spring semester is almost on my doorstep. Damn Inoue!

    Yeah, I was already thinking that it was a lousy coincidence that you returned right at the start of a volume break. But I hear ya, I almost went crazy myself trying to juggle school (especially with transfer applications due this month), everything else, and Vagabond. You almost done after the spring at least?

    Anyway, I'll be re-reading from around volume 25 soon -- so expect me to pop up!

    Cool, have you also checked out the LAST Manga exhibition (http://www.skullknight.net/forum/index.php?topic=11141.0) stuff, or are you wary of it?
    Title: Re: Current Episodes
    Post by: Uriel on December 03, 2009, 01:39:36 AM
    Yeah, I was already thinking that it was a lousy coincidence that you returned right at the start of a volume break. But I hear ya, I almost went crazy myself trying to juggle school (especially with transfer applications due this month), everything else, and Vagabond. You almost done after the spring at least?
    Yeah, I'll be done with my English and Japanese major. My folks and little brother are coming to England for my big American graduation ceremony.

    Cool, have you also checked out the LAST Manga exhibition (http://www.skullknight.net/forum/index.php?topic=11141.0) stuff, or are you wary of it?
    Oh very much so, I was going to work on a crazy presentation thread, but you guys all beat me to it. I think I joked in the thread that I was going to "brb" while I went there to see the exhibition.
    Title: Re: Current Episodes
    Post by: Griffith on December 03, 2009, 10:17:20 PM
    287 translation is interesting: Ittosai reflects on his encounter with Musashi and the words of Sekishusai, giving his most direct commentary on them yet, and giving Musashi a second opinion.

    Yeah, I'll be done with my English and Japanese major. My folks and little brother are coming to England for my big American graduation ceremony.

    Awesome, good luck and congrats!
    Also, then you can come back as the Inn's official translator... wait, Uriel? Where'd you go!? :guts:

    Oh very much so, I was going to work on a crazy presentation thread, but you guys all beat me to it. I think I joked in the thread that I was going to "brb" while I went there to see the exhibition.
    Oh yeah, now I remember.:ganishka: Anyway, what'd you think of it?
    Title: Re: Current Episodes
    Post by: Eluvei on December 11, 2009, 10:01:17 AM
    287 translation is interesting: Ittosai reflects on his encounter with Musashi and the words of Sekishusai, giving his most direct commentary on them yet, and giving Musashi a second opinion.

    Very interesting. Based on Ito's words, I can only imagine that when Musashi and Kojiro meet for the last time, they will look more like Sekishusai and Ito respectively.

    It's funny that Ito compares himself to Kojiro. All of what Sekishusai, Musashi and Ito worry about while living by the sword (and which Ito apparently tries to ignore) is meaningless to Kojiro, he can't communicate in the same level of complexity as his rivals, he doesn't even think like them (with words, that is); all he can do is express himself with the sword. In away, this gives him the advantage he needs to become the beast Ito will never be no matter how hard he tries, and which Musashi is trying not to be.
    Title: Re: Current Episodes
    Post by: Griffith on December 11, 2009, 10:32:38 PM
    Very interesting. Based on Ito's words, I can only imagine that when Musashi and Kojiro meet for the last time, they will look more like Sekishusai and Ito respectively.

    That's an awesome parallel you've drawn there, and as you point out, totally supported by Ito's own words.

    It's funny that Ito compares himself to Kojiro. All of what Sekishusai, Musashi and Ito worry about while living by the sword (and which Ito apparently tries to ignore) is meaningless to Kojiro, he can't communicate in the same level of complexity as his rivals, he doesn't even think like them (with words, that is); all he can do is express himself with the sword. In away, this gives him the advantage he needs to become the beast Ito will never be no matter how hard he tries, and which Musashi is trying not to be.

    Yeah, like in volume 20, Kojiro is truly like a beast of the sword because he doesn't have to think about being a beast; like a bird, he doesn't think about flying, he just flies as naturally as can be. What's interesting is that there's a purity to Kojiro, and everyone who fights him notices, and feels like they're conversing with him through the sword. I wonder how this will play out in their final meeting.
    Title: Re: Current Episodes
    Post by: TheBranded1 on December 12, 2009, 04:38:45 AM
    Didn't even Musashi admitted he had that natural feeling with the sword when he met Kojiro in vol. 24. I think Kojiro since he didn't have much distractions as Musashi did when he was growing up(Father,mother,the townspeople). But yeah I think Musashi is going back to basics and finding himself once again.

    About the "smile more part" that has been in the last episodes. I think Musashi recalled he felt something like that in (ep. 258). I dont think it's the same as smiling but I think there is a similarity.

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    Title: Re: Current Episodes
    Post by: Dante Julius on December 16, 2009, 01:47:00 AM
    Actually the Japanese term for smile is a bit ambiguous; it could also mean laugh. In this case smile seemed much more likely, but both are probably using the same word.

    Anyways, I've been liking the contrast in these last chapters and the tangible struggle between the two paths. I think it's brilliant how seamlessly you can read the dueling ideals as just that, or as one idea, a middle path of sorts; "Smile more, whether you enjoy it or not". It highlights to me how Itou's ideology thrives on conflict and Yagyuu's on reaching personal peace. You can mix both aspects to come up with something in the middle; finding peace within the conflict which you must recognize and address as necessary. The chapters before the last few had been looking very pessimistically at Itou and his path, but then all of the sudden it had a reversal with his recovery and a philosophical redemption following roughly his physical condition. I wasn't really expecting it, but it's been quite interesting.
    Title: Re: Current Episodes
    Post by: TheBranded1 on December 16, 2009, 03:27:10 AM
    Actually the Japanese term for smile is a bit ambiguous; it could also mean laugh. In this case smile seemed much more likely, but both are probably using the same word.

    Anyways, I've been liking the contrast in these last chapters and the tangible struggle between the two paths. I think it's brilliant how seamlessly you can read the dueling ideals as just that, or as one idea, a middle path of sorts; "Smile more, whether you enjoy it or not". It highlights to me how Itou's ideology thrives on conflict and Yaqui's on reaching personal peace. You can mix both aspects to come up with something in the middle; finding peace within the conflict which you must recognize and address as necessary. The chapters before the last few had been looking very pessimistically at Ito and his path, but then all of the sudden it had a reversal with his recovery and a philosophical redemption following roughly his physical condition. I wasn't really expecting it, but it's been quite interesting.

    Hey Dante! Yeah, Yayu and Ittosai sure do have different paths and they are well shown throughout this latest episodes, and some of the volumes involving the two men. I think if Yagyu hadn't found his master he would have been in that same path, so going in the other direction also helped him. Iotas, sure has been in conflict since he left  Jisai and never looked back. It does seems that Musashi has had a taste of both paths to this point. Which I think makes it even better, because I just had this thought of him "using both swords"as the two paths he came to know about. The conflict and the peace. You know one sword to defend and the other one to attack, kinda similar to these paths.
    Title: Re: Current Episodes
    Post by: Griffith on December 16, 2009, 07:05:32 PM
    Didn't even Musashi admitted he had that natural feeling with the sword when he met Kojiro in vol. 24. I think Kojiro since he didn't have much distractions as Musashi did when he was growing up(Father,mother,the townspeople). But yeah I think Musashi is going back to basics and finding himself once again.

    Yeah, and as MUsashi admitted, he really only had himself to blame, blaming others was part of the his problem, and he certainly made a gigantic leap just during his "discussion" with Kojiro.

    About the "smile more part" that has been in the last episodes. I think Musashi recalled he felt something like that in (ep. 258). I dont think it's the same as smiling but I think there is a similarity.

    Yeah, it's when he felt "infinite" or truly at peace with art and himself. It would certainly make sense for Yagyu to give him advice on how to return to that place rather than being so serious and conflicted.

    Actually the Japanese term for smile is a bit ambiguous; it could also mean laugh. In this case smile seemed much more likely, but both are probably using the same word.

    Interesting, good info. I wonder how Viz will handle it, as in the above example that Фирменная posted, they went with laugh as well, I wonder if it will be different in the Yagyu scene. They're pretty consistent with those choices ("invincible under the sun" as opposed to "unrivaled under heaven") unless these are truly different in these cases.

    Anyways, I've been liking the contrast in these last chapters and the tangible struggle between the two paths. I think it's brilliant how seamlessly you can read the dueling ideals as just that, or as one idea, a middle path of sorts; "Smile more, whether you enjoy it or not". It highlights to me how Itou's ideology thrives on conflict and Yagyuu's on reaching personal peace. You can mix both aspects to come up with something in the middle; finding peace within the conflict which you must recognize and address as necessary. The chapters before the last few had been looking very pessimistically at Itou and his path, but then all of the sudden it had a reversal with his recovery and a philosophical redemption following roughly his physical condition. I wasn't really expecting it, but it's been quite interesting.

    Yeah, it's been amazing, particularly seeing Ittosai not only practicing, but pondering what "no sword" means, if only for a dismissive moment. Still, seems he doesn't understand it, or doesn't want to... perhaps he and Musashi will still teach each other a few things? At least I'd like to think so.

    Hey Dante! Yeah, Yayu and Ittosai sure do have different paths and they are well shown throughout this latest episodes, and some of the volumes involving the two men. I think if Yagyu hadn't found his master he would have been in that same path, so going in the other direction also helped him. Iotas, sure has been in conflict since he left  Jisai and never looked back. It does seems that Musashi has had a taste of both paths to this point. Which I think makes it even better, because I just had this thought of him "using both swords"as the two paths he came to know about. The conflict and the peace. You know one sword to defend and the other one to attack, kinda similar to these paths.

    I'd still like to see Musashi using his sword in positive ways, simply for a net good; look at all that Yagyu accomplished, not just what he did with the sword, but what he built around it.
    Title: Re: Current Episodes
    Post by: Eluvei on December 16, 2009, 10:44:01 PM
    Yeah, it's been amazing, particularly seeing Ittosai not only practicing, but pondering what "no sword" means, if only for a dismissive moment. Still, seems he doesn't understand it, or doesn't want to... perhaps he and Musashi will still teach each other a few things? At least I'd like to think so.

    You know, I'd actually prefer if they never met again. They had such a brief yet meaningful meeting/duel, that I think it's perfect as it is. Ito's refusing to think deeply about these things, as if he's afraid that they're actually true, so I doubt he'd accept anything but his own truth. I don't see him as an old man capable of changing the way he thinks after all this time living as a "tiger" as he said... so I'd even be satisfied if that was the last time we saw him in the series, and it would be a fitting goodbye from him if from here on all we see is the other tiger, which Musashi will face for real very soon. Maybe Ito comparing himself to Kojiro after the duel with Musashi serves as a prelude to what's to come.

    Who won the duel after all? The wounded or the fallen one?
    Title: Re: Current Episodes
    Post by: Griffith on January 25, 2010, 07:41:29 AM
    You know, I'd actually prefer if they never met again. They had such a brief yet meaningful meeting/duel, that I think it's perfect as it is. Ito's refusing to think deeply about these things, as if he's afraid that they're actually true, so I doubt he'd accept anything but his own truth. I don't see him as an old man capable of changing the way he thinks after all this time living as a "tiger" as he said... so I'd even be satisfied if that was the last time we saw him in the series, and it would be a fitting goodbye from him if from here on all we see is the other tiger, which Musashi will face for real very soon. Maybe Ito comparing himself to Kojiro after the duel with Musashi serves as a prelude to what's to come.

    Who won the duel after all? The wounded or the fallen one?
    The one standing up at the end of the fight. :guts:

    I see what you mean, and it would definitely work, but I'd prefer they resolve things more directly. Satisfying as it is, the whole encounter leaves me wanting, perhaps because it's part of a bigger unresolved issue for Musashi, and while Inoue could leave it that way and intentionally use that feeling and expand that theme, but...

    I demand satisfaction! :zodd:

    Plus, I really don't want to have to rationalize Musashi's so-called "undefeated" status by inference or something. =)



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    Suddenly, it is not surprising that no 描Kenaku comics, there's always the feeling.
    Technology to make your own comics that does not guarantee what no man, nor does it have a good way to learn about ensuring this way. This is exactly what the day came as 描Kenaku, what I thought.
    Name not proceed at all, not even have one, how I've made so far? Long time and feel.
    There was cause to heart.
    And to set a goal to complete this year, a little biased, but I say big deal, where to look away So, what percent? "Now" of a stray from the detail was not feeling it now that is one thing.
    Another is 32 the other day I came to read feedback from our readers in the volume, it was conveyed to say I feel a nibble than the volume of the past, I am so happy that it seems they stay there and octopus. This is despite the past.
    In other words, "where" and "past" obsessed, "now" that was in the middle of it. But that I had drawn a cartoon in his ~,, and is filled with regret. Well just past anymore. Name is only now working on the next one again.
    Of course I'm thankful for your impressions will 拝読 the future! After I stole 進Mane and appreciation to the next.

    Musashi was saying was right and that, coincidentally, was in a sense.


    2010.01.25
    Takehiko Inoue

    Well, I can't wait to see the official translation of that. Anyway, looks like we definitely have Kojiro, I just hope he's arriving for his new job interview and not to Ganryu Island. Of course, at that pace, Inoue could definitely finish within the year... or next week.
    Title: Re: Current Episodes
    Post by: TheBranded1 on January 25, 2010, 02:43:32 PM

    Good! Kojiro and his "Ahh" are back folks. I can see some stick moments going on or some sort of physical encounter.
    Title: Re: Current Episodes
    Post by: Griffith on January 25, 2010, 08:04:06 PM
    Well, that was interesting, the episode had a little bit of everything (including a painting based on the sketch work shown at the end of volume 32, Musashi and Kojiro at the beach), it's kind of like a highlight real that, as we've discussed, allows Inoue to jump in and out of the story however, and whenever, he pleases. We see what I assume is Ganryu Island (so the beginning of the end if there ever was one), then cut to Matahachi hard at work for the monk that helped him bury his mother. He decides (again) to finally deliver Kojiro's certificate. We see him narrating in the future again, and jumping around in the story, as it immediately flashes back to Matahachi on a ship. Now here's the most interesting tease, we see what might be a second of Farmer Musashi! Though it's unclear, it continues with Matahachi talking about his old friend, shows Musashi training, then suddenly Matahachi makes an announcement which gets everyone's attention and people filling his donation basket (at least you can tell he'd like it to), which sadly probably means the battle between Musashi and Kojiro (btw, how closely is this mirroring reality at this point =). Then we see Kojiro arriving to what I still assume is his job interview, Matahachi makes another announcement that drives most of his customers away (perhaps he's not going to be telling the Ganryu tale so soon, more to say first perhaps) but young Fūki does remain behind. The episode ends with Musashi doing some pretty heavy sword play in the woods, it looks like he's getting his groove back.

    Anyway, I have to admit, Inoue has pretty well set himself up to do whatever he pleases, and effectively. He can delay the Ganryu battle as long as he wants now, or he can jump into it next week and it'll still work and feel appropriate with this Matahachi as storyteller construct. Hell, halfway through this episode with Matahachi setting it up, even I was ready for it to start. I can also imagine a few surprises Inoue might have in store for us using this format.
    Title: Re: Current Episodes
    Post by: Walter on January 25, 2010, 08:28:24 PM
    This sounds awesome. I can't wait to check it out when I get home. If it's true that Matahachi is the one that spurred on the duel between Musashi and Kojiro... it's pretty depressing. What would his motivation be?

    In my opinion, Inoue still has some work to do in developing Kojiro before the duel. As things stand, if they were to meet on Ganryu Island next episode (just hypothetically here.. I don't actually think this will occur...) it wouldn't be that impressive, I don't think.

    I think it would be poignant if Kojiro were just offered an amazing position, and given a chance at a real future, when he is told of the duel that will ultimately lead to his death.
    Title: Re: Current Episodes
    Post by: Eluvei on January 25, 2010, 09:08:26 PM
    Nice episode, can't wait for a translation. The look on Matahachi's face on the boat is something we hadn't seen since maybe the first volume. It's like he's thinking to himself "I'm doing the right thing". I'm so proud of him!  :SK:
    Title: Re: Current Episodes
    Post by: Griffith on January 26, 2010, 08:11:25 AM
    This sounds awesome. I can't wait to check it out when I get home. If it's true that Matahachi is the one that spurred on the duel between Musashi and Kojiro... it's pretty depressing. What would his motivation be?

    What brought that notion to mind? It's an interesting thought, especially considering the translation...

    In my opinion, Inoue still has some work to do in developing Kojiro before the duel. As things stand, if they were to meet on Ganryu Island next chapter (just hypothetically here.. I don't actually think this will occur...) it wouldn't be that impressive, I don't think.

    I think it would be poignant if Kojiro were just offered an amazing position, and given a chance at a real future, when he is told of the duel that will ultimately lead to his death.

    I don't know, I see Kojiro as being pure, though largely one-dimensional, as is, existing in his own world where dying in combat with Musashi is a better outcome for him than any prosperous future he might have had in the material world around him. It'd certainly be interesting though if Inoue changed him and gave him some more depth, perhaps even to his detriment; can you imagine this Kojiro with a knot top, a wife, and children?

    Nice episode, can't wait for a translation. The look on Matahachi's face on the boat is something we hadn't seen since maybe the first volume. It's like he's thinking to himself "I'm doing the right thing". I'm so proud of him!  :SK:
    Me too, and the wait is already over. It was nice to be on point with a new episode for a change, had been a while. :badbone:
    Title: Re: Current Episodes
    Post by: Walter on January 26, 2010, 11:05:15 AM
    What brought that notion to mind? It's an interesting thought, especially considering the translation...

    Well, I suppose I just misunderstood it based on your description of here:

    Though it's unclear, it continues with Matahachi talking about his old friend, shows Musashi training, then suddenly Matahachi makes an announcement which gets everyone's attention and people filling his donation basket (at least you can tell he'd like it to), which sadly probably means the battle between Musashi and Kojiro
    Now that I've seen the ep, I can see that wasn't the case. Matahachi is reluctant to even begin the story. Poor guy...
    Title: Re: Current Episodes
    Post by: TheBranded1 on January 26, 2010, 03:17:00 PM

    Nice Episode indeed! At first when I saw the cover I was like "What, Mushi with a big smile on his face, hmmm interesting". It's good to see Matahachi doing some stuff he hasn't done in years. I guess he couldn't do much worse and had to start looking at the other side of the coin. He's the medieval PPV event holder, but his should be called PPL(Pay Per Listen). And all those thoughts Matahachi had about what Musashi could be doing at that time, are some of the things he ends up doing anyway. So it's a nice way to incorporate those parts from Matahachi's point of view without revealing too much.
    Title: Re: Current Episodes
    Post by: Eluvei on January 26, 2010, 04:41:37 PM
    Just saw the translation. It's the beginning of the end, that's for sure! Things are gonna move fast this time around, judging from this episode. The duel is just around the corner... and Matahachi's words got me all hyped over it.

    PS: Berserk and Vagabond episodes, and the release of Mass Effect 2. Happy times for this community. Happy times!
    Title: Re: Current Episodes
    Post by: Griffith on January 26, 2010, 08:02:09 PM
    Matahachi is reluctant to even begin the story. Poor guy...
    I also can't but feel like Inoue is basically speaking through him, "From here on... it's not a story I can tell so easily..." :judo:

    Nice Episode indeed! At first when I saw the cover I was like "What, Mushi with a big smile on his face, hmmm interesting". It's good to see Matahachi doing some stuff he hasn't done in years. I guess he couldn't do much worse and had to start looking at the other side of the coin. He's the medieval PPV event holder, but his should be called PPL(Pay Per Listen). And all those thoughts Matahachi had about what Musashi could be doing at that time, are some of the things he ends up doing anyway. So it's a nice way to incorporate those parts from Matahachi's point of view without revealing too much.

    Yeah, it was a nice way to touch base on a few things without having to go deep into it (no Seven Samurai like town defense though, which makes me wonder if it's simply not in this Musashi's character, or if it's something Inoue WILL depict more in depth =). Also, I think we could still see a few more highlights of Musashi's life between now and his battle with Kojiro, similar to episode 108 "Summit" at the beginning of Volume 12. One of my favorites.

    Just saw the translation. It's the beginning of the end, that's for sure! Things are gonna move fast this time around, judging from this episode. The duel is just around the corner... and Matahachi's words got me all hyped over it.

    I got that same feeling from this episode, but I'm still not sure the duel is just around the corner, because Inoue's been dropping hints like this since the end of volume 27. After all, we didn't see it coming that there was going to be a 5 volume arc about Musashi's bum leg and time in prison. By Inoue's standard of production, a year is a long time... of course, much of it will likely be dedicated to the duel and events surrounding it. Biggest question mark in all that... Gonnosuke fight? I'd still be surprised if Inoue omitted it.

    PS: Berserk and Vagabond episodes, and the release of Mass Effect 2. Happy times for this community. Happy times!
    Indeed. :badbone:
    Title: Re: Current Episodes
    Post by: Eluvei on February 01, 2010, 08:46:33 PM
    289! Musashi training! Matahachi telling the story! Takuan!
    Title: Re: Current Episodes
    Post by: Griffith on February 01, 2010, 09:50:36 PM
    I quite enjoyed that. :serpico:
    Title: Re: Current Episodes
    Post by: TheBranded1 on February 02, 2010, 04:13:09 AM
    I quite enjoyed that. :serpico:

    Me too! you know Musashi was doing just the same thing as Kobe was doing on yesterday's game against the Celtics. Kobe was doing his jumpshot but landing only on his left foot to avoid putting pressure on the right one. What a coincidence, or has Inoue been watching the games as well. :isidro:
    Title: Re: Current Episodes
    Post by: Griffith on February 02, 2010, 09:09:36 AM
    Me too! you know Musashi was doing just the same thing as Kobe was doing on yesterday's game against the Celtics. Kobe was doing his jumpshot but landing only on his left foot to avoid putting pressure on the right one. What a coincidence, or has Inoue been watching the games as well. :isidro:

    Haha, he is a Lakers fan apparently, and I remember him mentioning Kobe in one of his updates. :ganishka:

    Anyway, I like where Inoue went with this episode, he definitely isn't glossing over things to get to a resolution, and I wonder if he won't run into someone, even Gonnosuke, and attempt to fight them like that, sort of a Kojiro tune up. I suppose those were likely some authorities or representatives after Musashi near the end there.
    Title: Re: Current Episodes
    Post by: Eluvei on February 02, 2010, 10:27:47 PM
    Anyway, I like where Inoue went with this episode, he definitely isn't glossing over things to get to a resolution, and I wonder if he won't run into someone, even Gonnosuke, and attempt to fight them like that, sort of a Kojiro tune up. I suppose those were likely some authorities after Musashi near the end there.

    Yeah, I was also relieved. All we ever hear is things about the end of Vagabond, and 288 really gave us that "the end is near!" kinda thing. I'm expecting some Gonnosuke too, and I think he'll show up. His little cameo a few chapters back is proof that he's not forgotten!
    Title: Re: Current Episodes
    Post by: Griffith on February 03, 2010, 08:05:01 AM
    Yeah, I was also relieved. All we ever hear is things about the end of Vagabond, and 288 really gave us that "the end is near!" kinda thing.

    Agreed, I didn't think 288 really signaled the end was here already, but it certainly gave off that impression. Regardless, I was glad to see there's still time for the scenic route on this journey. =)

    I'm expecting some Gonnosuke too, and I think he'll show up. His little cameo a few chapters back is proof that he's not forgotten!

    Yeah, I hope you're right.
    Title: Re: Current Episodes
    Post by: Eluvei on February 03, 2010, 09:39:26 PM
    So Takuan's trying to build a stable future for Musashi. And Musashi runs away from it, literally.
    Title: Re: Current Episodes
    Post by: TheBranded1 on February 03, 2010, 10:10:30 PM
    So Takuan's trying to build a stable future for Musashi. And Musashi runs away from it, literally.

    Yeah, but Musashi didn't really know, I am assuming Musashi thought it was another fight and just try to avoid it. At least Matahachi who has known Musashi for so long, knows what he's doing eventhough they are not together anymore. If the catalog pictures are any indication of a way distant future for Musashi that may not be shown in the volumes, We can guess that Takuan's attempt is in vain. But we all knew that of course :guts:
    Title: Re: Current Episodes
    Post by: Griffith on February 04, 2010, 10:09:43 AM
    The one I really feel sorry for here is Otsu.:judo:



    Also, better, and amusing worthwhile, late than never:

    (http://www.itplanning.co.jp/images/vaga/vole.gif)

    (http://www.itplanning.co.jp/images/vaga/289a.gif)

    (http://www.itplanning.co.jp/images/vaga/289b.gif)

    Quote
    When I type "Vagabond" on my comnputer, I'm used to it, so it comes out as
    fast as typing "Thank you". However I actually mistype it a fair amout.

    For example:

    vagabagaondo
    vagaboidno
    vagabaganod
    babaodsjowndol

    ijnouetaksuejho

    That's it. Thank you.
       

    INOUE TAKEHIKO
    3 February 2010

    :ganishka:
    Title: Re: Current Episodes
    Post by: Eluvei on February 08, 2010, 03:30:52 PM
    Episode 290's out, pretty dialogue-heavy. Seems like Inoue's gonna take a break, Vagabond's coming back on Weekly Morning #14, which comes out in the first week of March.
    Title: Re: Current Episodes
    Post by: TheBranded1 on February 08, 2010, 10:05:27 PM
    Episode 290's out, pretty dialogue-heavy. Seems like Inoue's gonna take a break, Vagabond's coming back on Weekly Morning #14, which comes out in the first week of March.

    Quite the dialog there. I assume it's about Musashi and how he managed to just jump off into the river and get away. I guess he barely makes it out, and passes out since he was only using one leg, if he was using only one leg. Could Musashi go into another hibernation, just like he did after fighting Seijuro and being rescued? And by hibernation I mean after he gets rescued he will take those long sleeps. :guts:
    Title: Re: Current Episodes
    Post by: Griffith on February 08, 2010, 10:31:30 PM
    Episode 290's out, pretty dialogue-heavy. Seems like Inoue's gonna take a break, Vagabond's coming back on Weekly Morning #14, which comes out in the first week of March.
    Uh oh, I'm not liking my prediction for Vagabond catching Berserk at the moment. :iva:

    Quite the dialog there. I assume it's about Musashi and how he managed to just jump off into the river and get away. I guess he barely makes it out, and passes out since he was only using one leg, if he was using only one leg. Could Musashi go into another hibernation, just like he did after fighting Seijuro and being rescued? And by hibernation I mean after he gets rescued he will take those long sleeps. :guts:

    Yeah, I'm sure they're talking about him in general and how he ran off, maybe Inoue is going to make his own excuse for Musashi and why he never found good employment: he had bread in his ears!  :troll:

    Though I'm most curious about who's house that is he's collapsed in front of. :rakshas:
    Title: Re: Current Episodes
    Post by: slan69 on February 08, 2010, 10:53:37 PM
    Already on episode 290. Damn I don't know whats been going in Vagabond since episode 285. :sad: Can someone give me a little insight on whats been going on since then.
    Title: Re: Current Episodes
    Post by: Griffith on February 10, 2010, 12:47:48 PM
    It's hard to describe since there's a lot of subtle threads overlapping, but, since we found out that Kojiro was the one to cut Ittosai's hand, the final battle has been teased, Matahachi has been firmly established as the narrator, Kojiro has arrived in Kokura for his job interview, and Musashi is now retraining himself like Kojiro, by blocking out all external sound and listening to his body. While practicing like this, Musashi is confronted by a group of men, so he flees by jumping into a nearby river. Turns out they were representatives, also from Kokura, that wish to offer him a position, which would allow him to settle down in society and marry Otsu. Musashi is concerned with Kojiro though, and after an exhausted Musashi climbs out of the river, he comes to a modest home, attempts to gain entrance, and collapses outside.
    I guess that wasn't so hard to describe. :badbone:



    UPDATE: 290's been translated. No major surprises, but a couple of potentially interesting new foils for Musashi if there's any follow up with them. Also, the sketches are up now too:

    http://www.itplanning.co.jp/vaga.html

    (http://www.itplanning.co.jp/images/vaga/290a.gif)

    Looks like a character from Perry Bible Fellowship. =)

    (http://www.itplanning.co.jp/images/vaga/290b.gif)
    Title: Re: Current Episodes
    Post by: slan69 on February 11, 2010, 12:48:17 AM
    It's hard to describe since there's a lot of subtle threads overlapping, but, since we found out that Kojiro was the one to cut Ittosai's hand, the final battle has been teased, Matahachi has been firmly established as the narrator, Kojiro has arrived in Kokura for his job interview, and Musashi is now retraining himself like Kojiro, by blocking out all external sound and listening to his body. While practicing like this, Musashi is confronted by a group of men, so he flees by jumping into a nearby river. Turns out they were representatives, also from Kokura, that wish to offer him a position, which would allow him to settle down in society and marry Otsu. Musashi is concerned with Kojiro though, and after an exhausted Musashi climbs out of the river, he comes to a modest home, attempts to gain entrance, and collapses outside.
    I guess that wasn't so hard to describe. :badbone:

    Thanks Griff. Branded told me this as well, I am finally caught up with you guys again. :guts:
    Title: Re: Current Episodes
    Post by: TheBranded1 on February 11, 2010, 03:00:30 AM
    OK, I just read the translation. It was good to know what those guys were talking about. A line I liked about was this "Musahi will fall into the hands of Kokura, eventhough I haven't met him". Even MUsashi admitted himself being to reckless jumping into the river. At the end when he's getting out of the water and climbing the rock and talking to himself was kinda funny as well. Get a thermometer is Musashi about to get a fever?
    Title: Re: Current Episodes
    Post by: Eluvei on March 01, 2010, 09:16:25 PM
    291! Worth the wait, a damn good episode. There's even a glimpse of the amazing farmer Musashi just for you Griffith; now I'm wondering about the episode title, does it possibly mean we're gonna have a time skip? There's a whole page showing an island from above, probably because Matahachi's talking about it... so I take it he's finally gonna tell the townspeople about the duel?
    Title: Re: Current Episodes
    Post by: TheBranded1 on March 01, 2010, 10:45:51 PM
    NIce

    See Eluvei as I told you one part of my prediction was true. That he was going to be treated by someone. Too bad his situation was mixed in with his dream about being with Otsu. I am assuming the man of the house told him to work for his treatment. Yeah, I think they show the Island because Matahachi was talking about it. Now we just have to wait for the translation.
    Title: Re: Current Episodes
    Post by: Griffith on March 01, 2010, 11:09:01 PM
    Musashi's face on page 4, excellent! :ganishka:

    Also, score one for Grail and her clairvoyant oekakis (http://www.skullknight.net/forum/vagadraw/index.php#pic2).

    Is Musashi now a victim of inappropriate touching, or perhaps was the woman charged with keeping him warm? =)

    Seriously though, interesting turn, I'm always surprised at Musashi's Otsu dreams, or really him thinking, even subconsciously, of anything sexual in nature at all. I wonder what connection he'll find with this man, his family, and his carvings. I wouldn't mind seeing him spend a little time with and getting attached to these people, perhaps it could lead to some positive use of his sword. And yes, always happy to see more of the legendary farmer Musashi!

    I wouldn't pay too much mind to the island, Matahatchi, and by extension Inoue, has teased his audience with it a couple of times already, it doesn't mean "the duel" is necessarily any closer, and it could also be a transition back to Kojiro's side of the story.
    Title: Re: Current Episodes
    Post by: Eluvei on March 01, 2010, 11:54:19 PM
    See Eluvei as I told you one part of my prediction was true.

    Heh, yeah, you were right after all.

    Also, score one for Grail and her clairvoyant oekakis (http://www.skullknight.net/forum/vagadraw/index.php#pic2).

    Oh my! You understand Musashi so well, Grail...  :judo:

    Seriously though, interesting turn, I'm always surprised at Musashi's Otsu dreams, or really him thinking, even subconsciously, of anything sexual in nature at all. I wonder what connection he'll find with this man, his family, and his carvings.

    Yeah, it's great when this is explored. It's interesting that he dreams of her as a result of running away from the guys that were going to propose him a future that involves being with her.

    I wouldn't pay too much mind to the island, Matahatchi, and by extension Inoue, has teased his audience with it a couple of times already, it doesn't mean "the duel" is necessarily any closer, and it could also be a transition back to Kojiro's side of the story.

    You're right, it could be just a transition to Kojiro. The title remains a mystery though!
    Title: Re: Current Episodes
    Post by: Griffith on March 02, 2010, 12:04:54 AM
    You're right, it could be just a transition to Kojiro. The title remains a mystery though!

    Well, the title isn't too mysterious, "7 Years" until he fights Kojiro, so I'm assuming we're going to be filling in that gap rather quickly now. I just hope this episode isn't the extent of the summary.

    I think I've said it before, but, personally, I'd like to see something like the episode that begins volume 12 (#108 Summit) giving us a brief highlight reel of Musashi's adventures from now until he faces Kojiro. He could even do a few episodes like that (and may have already begun).

    Who knows though, depending on what Matahachi is saying at the end there, it could jump to the duel in the next episode, or even back and forth thereafter; it'll be like Lost. =)
    Title: Re: Current Episodes
    Post by: TheBranded1 on March 02, 2010, 01:13:49 AM


    It better not be like Lost at all Eluvei  :azan:
    Poor Musashi being tempted by his mind. He's a man after all. I agree with Griffith to see how the relationship with this people that took care of him will play out to be.
    Title: Re: Current Episodes
    Post by: Griffith on March 03, 2010, 09:37:59 AM
    She was indeed the victim of a groping Musashi. :ganishka:

    So, he doesn't give them his famous name, but just Takezo, and there's possiblyy foreshadowing of greater potential problems there. Anyway, Matahachi/Inoue continues to promise the grand finale is near, then immediately changes the subject back to pre-duel stories. =)
    Title: Re: Current Episodes
    Post by: Eluvei on March 03, 2010, 07:56:30 PM
    Yeah, I'm confused. Is Inoue going into more detail on Farmer Musashi's Simple Life, or is Matahachi gonna start telling the big story? Well, next one is next week on Weekly Morning #15. Sweet.
    Title: Re: Current Episodes
    Post by: Grail on March 06, 2010, 05:27:51 AM
    OH MAN. Well, I just caught up after a long break from Vagabond (stupid education!) and look at all that I've missed!

    But at the very least, I'm glad that I made it just in time for some more SWEET, SWEET OTSU BACK ACTION. :troll: I found this pretty interesting, though. In all of the dreams Musashi has of Otsu (save for one, which though the volume/page escapes me...), he's the passive recipient of affection. As a reader, it's something I've taken mostly for granted, since I always thought of it as a metaphor for Musashi's reluctance to detract from his training, but now that ole Mushi's gone all farmy, I wonder if he'll have time to reevaluate their "relationship." That's my hope, anyway.

    But it seems like the decisive battle is coming sooner than I would have anticipated! It was enlightening to read up on all your guys' comments, I'll try and put in my two cents after I've had a little more time to think about them. :guts: In the meantime, looking forward to the next chapter with GUSTO.
    Title: Re: Current Episodes
    Post by: Griffith on March 10, 2010, 01:55:45 AM
    Yeah, I'm confused. Is Inoue going into more detail on Farmer Musashi's Simple Life, or is Matahachi gonna start telling the big story?

    Hard to say, maybe he'll do both. :badbone:

    OH MAN. Well, I just caught up after a long break from Vagabond (stupid education!) and look at all that I've missed!

    But at the very least, I'm glad that I made it just in time for some more SWEET, SWEET OTSU BACK ACTION. :troll: I found this pretty interesting, though. In all of the dreams Musashi has of Otsu (save for one, which though the volume/page escapes me...), he's the passive recipient of affection. As a reader, it's something I've taken mostly for granted, since I always thought of it as a metaphor for Musashi's reluctance to detract from his training, but now that ole Mushi's gone all farmy, I wonder if he'll have time to reevaluate their "relationship." That's my hope, anyway.

    Interesting point, I hadn't thought much of it, but now that you mention it, I'm not sure what there is to reevaluate other than how he acts on his feelings. Despite their mutual affection for each other, Otsu has been the "aggressor," or more appropriately designated, the pursuer. Unfortunately, neither seems to have to the gumption to do what both literally fantasize about, and just grab the other and not let go. Sadly, judging from the Last Manga exhibit, doesn't seem like it'll happen, or at least it won't stick.

    But it seems like the decisive battle is coming sooner than I would have anticipated! It was enlightening to read up on all your guys' comments, I'll try and put in my two cents after I've had a little more time to think about them. :guts: In the meantime, looking forward to the next chapter with GUSTO.

    Looking forward to hearing more from you about it.





    http://www.itplanning.co.jp/vaga.html

    (http://www.itplanning.co.jp/images/vaga/vol.gif)

    (http://www.itplanning.co.jp/images/vaga/292a.gif)

    (http://www.itplanning.co.jp/images/vaga/292b.gif)

    Quote from: Google translate
    I called you up and down every day or even much larger temperature difference between this, such as sick as you are not torn down. After this time raised the manuscript, and a little sick. 2010.03.09 Takehiko Inoue

    Looks like Inoue is a little sick, and that we're continuing with Musashi and his new friends.
    Title: Re: Current Episodes
    Post by: TheBranded1 on March 10, 2010, 02:29:36 AM


    I hope Inoue gets better soon if he's really sick with anything. As for the sketches, are those drawings in one of the panels?  I also hope to see some more Takuan in this episode. As I told Eluvei while we chatted, I think this will have some Musashi and a mix of Matahachi as the last episode. But how really knows?
    Title: Re: Current Episodes
    Post by: Eluvei on March 15, 2010, 01:44:16 AM
    Here's the official translation of the above quote:

    Quote
    The up and down, day by day changes in temperature have been unbelievable.
    I hope that everybody is staying healthy.
    I got a little sick after finishing the manuscript for this issue.

    No sign of the episode though.  :iva:
    Title: Re: Current Episodes
    Post by: Griffith on March 26, 2010, 09:36:38 AM
    Thanks for the translation, so he did get sick. Anyway, here's a new episode, or not...

    http://www.itplanning.co.jp/vaga.html

    (http://www.itplanning.co.jp/images/vaga/vol.gif)

    (http://www.itplanning.co.jp/images/vaga/no_drafta.gif)

    (http://www.itplanning.co.jp/images/vaga/no_draftb.gif)

    Quote from: Google Translate
    Return and the condition Dounimo, Vagabond minute rest we have released this week. Those who are looking forward, I'm sorry. The other is recovering now, and draw the minutes released next week. I apologize for worry. 2010.03.17 Takehiko Inoue

    Sounds like a bummer.



    New drafts and blurb for 293.

    (http://www.itplanning.co.jp/images/vaga/293a.gif)

    (http://www.itplanning.co.jp/images/vaga/293b.gif)
    Quote from: Google translate
    I do not like the name. But this time a little fun. The first place is because of various work that we do without thought of your face, but it should be a most enjoyable time from this stage is the most creative from non-native produce.

    2010.03.24 Takehiko Inoue

    Sounds much more positive. Also, those drafts are interesting, I see a lot of things in them, many of which are probably not there. I see figures resembling both Musashi and Kojiro, Musashi holding two swords, a frustrated Kojiro, a large platform/practice area, and perhaps even a body of water, like a river, perhaps even a boat? If it turns our there's even just one of these things in the actual episode, I'll be happy. =)
    Title: Re: Current Episodes
    Post by: Eluvei on March 26, 2010, 11:47:41 AM
    I see the river too, and a guy holding two swords. I don't see the boat, but someone fishing in more than one panel.

    Funny how we love the drafts when there's no new episode in weeks for us, even funnier when Inoue himself says he doesn't like these drafts (I'm pretty sure that's what he means by "name", it's how they call these rough sketches). :troll:
    Title: Re: Current Episodes
    Post by: Griffith on March 30, 2010, 12:11:12 AM
    I see the river too, and a guy holding two swords. I don't see the boat, but someone fishing in more than one panel.
    Yeah, the boat was more inference from everything else, like is Musashi on a boat heading to the duel with Kojiro!? :magni:
    Or... probably just fishing, like you pointed out. :ganishka:

    Funny how we love the drafts when there's no new episode in weeks for us, even funnier when Inoue himself says he doesn't like these drafts (I'm pretty sure that's what he means by "name", it's how they call these rough sketches). :troll:
    Yeah, it's like water, the less you have, the more valuable every drop becomes. :SK:
    Title: Re: Current Episodes
    Post by: Eluvei on April 02, 2010, 01:35:06 PM
    Just so we don't lose it, 293's update's official translation:

    Quote
    I don't like drafts. But right now they're a little fun. It's work, but if you overlook the myriad of things you run into with it, it's a very creative time where things can come to life from nothing, so I would expect it to be more fun.


    And new drafts from 294 (your signature is very useful, Griff):

    (http://www.itplanning.co.jp/images/vaga/294a.gif)

    (http://www.itplanning.co.jp/images/vaga/294b.gif)

    Quote from: Google translate
    Half of the staff I work hay fever. This season was quite painful so, the ability to lower the 75 percent concentration becomes so much performance.
    This is me and I get cold, but the newly Hana.

    Things have been hard over there, it seems.



    293 and 294 spoilers: So Musashi's gone already. Looks like we'll jump into the fight sooner than most of us expected.
    Title: Re: Current Episodes
    Post by: Griffith on April 02, 2010, 05:35:38 PM
    Thanks Eluvei, I've gotten slack on updating the thread (and yeah, I'd like to think it's the most functional signature ever =). Even the episodes have finally surfaced! And good they were, I can't wait to see what Musashi and his adopted family learned about each other, particularly Musashi and the man of the house. Looks like all kinds of new and different emotions or desires are explored for Musashi, and I don't know if this will make him a more or less focused fighter, but I'd hate to be the guy at the end of 294 if he's indeed there to challenge Musashi.
    Title: Re: Current Episodes
    Post by: Eluvei on April 02, 2010, 05:53:06 PM
    Even the episodes have finally surfaced!
    Totally worth the wait IMO, these together seem to work better.  :carcus:

    Looks like all kinds of new and different emotions or desires are explored for Musashi, and I don't know if this will make him a more or less focused fighter

    I was left wondering the same thing. Looks like he's grown quite a bit, watching the child being born and living with the family. Even cried when he left! And he never stopped training, that was nice to see, and shows how he didn't think about changing his life even though half of it was being spent with normal people.

    but I'd hate to be the guy at the end of 294 if he's indeed there to challenge Musashi.

    You know, the first thing that crossed my mind is that he's one of Kojiro's men, there to bring him the fight proposal or say something in his name.
    Title: Re: Current Episodes
    Post by: Griffith on April 04, 2010, 08:29:29 AM
    Totally worth the wait IMO, these together seem to work better.  :carcus:

    Agreed, it's just unfortunate 292 is still a mystery.

    I was left wondering the same thing. Looks like he's grown quite a bit, watching the child being born and living with the family. Even cried when he left! And he never stopped training, that was nice to see, and shows how he didn't think about changing his life even though half of it was being spent with normal people.

    What struck me is that he perhaps fully grasped what Takuan was talking about concerning making a home and family, and the power behind it, since he, perhaps for the first time in his conscious life, was able to experience it firsthand.

    You know, the first thing that crossed my mind is that he's one of Kojiro's men, there to bring him the fight proposal or say something in his name.

    That brings me back to 291's title, 7 years, which implies the duel is chronologically still 7 years away, as is consistent with Musashi history and lore.
    Title: Re: Current Episodes
    Post by: TheBranded1 on April 04, 2010, 07:02:36 PM


    The wait sure was hard, but good rewards came of it. It's nice to see Musashi doing extra stuff he hadn't done before. I wonder if he said something while holding the baby, that he would never be able to be a parent the way he was brought up. I"m thinkin 292 shows or tells more of what he has been doing here, or the man of the house explained to him what to expect for him to do while he stayed there. I'm going to wildly guess and I think he's crying thinking he can't have what they have for the only reason of who he is and how people will come to challenge him. On that panel where his father is shown, I'm pretty sure the man must have met him and that's when Musashi told him who he was. I"m still thinking that way at the end of 294 is still one of the ones that was looking for him before. Hopefully 292 surfaces soon to really know what happened there.
    Title: Re: Current Episodes
    Post by: Griffith on April 06, 2010, 06:13:31 PM
    The wait sure was hard, but good rewards came of it. It's nice to see Musashi doing extra stuff he hadn't done before. I wonder if he said something while holding the baby, that he would never be able to be a parent the way he was brought up. I"m thinkin 292 shows or tells more of what he has been doing here, or the man of the house explained to him what to expect for him to do while he stayed there. I'm going to wildly guess and I think he's crying thinking he can't have what they have for the only reason of who he is and how people will come to challenge him.

    Yeah, I think he's basically seeing the other side of life, and power inherent to it as opposed to his own life.

    On that panel where his father is shown, I'm pretty sure the man must have met him and that's when Musashi told him who he was.

    Interesting theory, I had just assumed it was just in support of what Musashi was telling him, either about his father, or his life and the harsh spirit of his father behind him. I wonder if the reason he left, and was seemingly so upset about (he seemed both sad and a little bitter), was because they asked him to leave because housing him could be dangerous to them.

    I"m still thinking that way at the end of 294 is still one of the ones that was looking for him before. Hopefully 292 surfaces soon to really know what happened there.

    Well, he's not dressed like them, but they could have always changed or be another rep, but personally I'm going with it being just another random ronin or challenger. An instant reminder of why he possibly had to leave and why he can't live the life he might like to with Otsu?



    http://www.itplanning.co.jp/vaga.html

    (http://www.itplanning.co.jp/images/vaga/vol.gif)

    (http://www.itplanning.co.jp/images/vaga/295a.gif)

    (http://www.itplanning.co.jp/images/vaga/295b.gif)
    Quote
    Feel that the use of notebook paid off last year continues.
    Abstract, but it might say, one can separate the views or 律Shi, or encouraged, or commandments, such a laugh to be effective.
    Okay, so everyone Do you have a notebook. I know that. Keep more.
    There is already April!


    2010.04.06
    Takehiko Inoue

    Inoue wants to know if you have a notebook, know that it's April, and if you've seen Kojiro kicking butt lately?
    Title: Re: Current Episodes
    Post by: Eluvei on April 07, 2010, 10:26:31 PM
    295's out. You got it right Griff, some Kojiro stylish action for us. I'm surely not the only one who noticed, this episode had some seriously beautiful backgrounds. The dock (more like a beach really) with those boats is simply wonderful.

    296 next week. Sweet, it's been a long time since we had a break.
    Title: Re: Current Episodes
    Post by: TheBranded1 on April 12, 2010, 01:32:36 AM
    I have to agree on the very well drawn backgrounds. You know this part where Kojiro is involved with the ball reminded me of some Harlem Globe Trotters action but with harder consequences for the ones trying to get the ball handler.


    UPDATE: 293 has been translated. Some talk about marriage, the middle path and a bit more. I'll let you guys read it first before I post my thoughts
    Title: Re: Current Episodes
    Post by: Eluvei on April 12, 2010, 01:36:44 PM
    Was it me or the translation felt a little awkward this episode? It was decent, but it seemed like the sentences didn't "connect", especially when Musashi's talking to the old man with the Buddha statue in his hand, and even at the beginning when he mentions his leg. At least the scan is much better than that raw one, or he cleaned it up professionally.

    Anyway, it's whole new experience now that we really understand what's going on. Pretty cool when he decides to "become" Musashi again.
    Title: Re: Current Episodes
    Post by: Griffith on April 13, 2010, 08:19:46 AM
    http://www.itplanning.co.jp/vaga.html

    (http://www.itplanning.co.jp/images/vaga/vol.gif)

    (http://www.itplanning.co.jp/images/vaga/296a.gif)

    (http://www.itplanning.co.jp/images/vaga/296b.gif)

    Quote
    33 minutes minutes in this volume (5 / 27 release) is tightening.
    I had to have already been sick once 休載 the series now shifts to the minute after one week, even the writing of the real schedule and batch overlap they could not move already fixed a lot of trouble now We are. Overlap volume can tinker deadline 33 minutes more.
    Enjoy.


    2010.04.13
    Takehiko Inoue
    Title: Re: Current Episodes
    Post by: Eluvei on April 14, 2010, 07:52:31 PM
    Heheh, wow, Inoue's probably going through rough times. Look at those 296 sketches, they're kinda scary.


    (http://www.itplanning.co.jp/images/vaga/vole.gif)

    Quote from: http://www.itplanning.co.jp/vagae.html
    I feel that the continued use of my schedule book since last year has been a great succes. This may sound a bit abstract, but when I step back and take a look at myself, it has helped keep me honest, given me courage, rebuked me and made me laugh.
    I see... that's why everybody carries a schedule book. I've learned something good. I'll continue it even longer.
    Oh, it's already April!



    And 296 is already on the internet.Kojiro kind of does the same thing Musashi did in his fight with the Yagyu, and looks pretty cool. How can anyone ever hate the guy? :griffnotevil: And Musashi's looking pretty ominous on that single page...
    Title: Re: Current Episodes
    Post by: Griffith on April 15, 2010, 07:50:21 AM
    Heheh, wow, Inoue's probably going through rough times. Look at those 296 sketches, they're kinda scary.

    They are pretty frightening, though I could never get into day planners. =)

    Kojiro kind of does the same thing Musashi did in his fight with the Yagyu, and looks pretty cool. How can anyone ever hate the guy? :griffnotevil: And Musashi's looking pretty ominous on that single page...
    Women want him, men want to kill him. :ganishka:

    Looks like he's instantly become Mr. Popular though.
    Title: Re: Current Episodes
    Post by: TheBranded1 on April 30, 2010, 03:42:21 PM


    Kojiro sure got the attention of everyone there! I bet they'll cease once they know who he is.


    294 is out: Seems Musashi is still looking for what Yagyu had and doesn't want to become what his father was. Marriage was brought in question,but he refused it. At least he got told he was a kind person to make him realize he wans't lost and that he can still go on with himself. At least that's what I think it meant.



    Had to double post since 295 is out and I"m in a hurry to go. Check it out people.
    Title: Re: Current Episodes
    Post by: Griffith on May 10, 2010, 08:23:24 AM
    292 has finally surfaced, and translated too. Very interesting episode, and of course it changes the context of the surrounding episodes/events.

    Update: 296 has been translated as well.
    Title: Re: Current Episodes
    Post by: Eluvei on July 07, 2010, 12:04:55 PM
    Quote from: http://www.itplanning.co.jp/what.html
    モーニング32号(7月8日発売)よりバガボンドが連載再開!

    It's back on tomorrow's (July 8 ) issue.

    (http://i48.tinypic.com/33oigpf.jpg)
    Title: Re: Current Episodes
    Post by: Walter on July 07, 2010, 04:38:26 PM
    Awesome. The heat is on for the Miura/Inoue race!  :carcus:

    Seriously, it's been too long for me. I can't even really remember what happened most recently in Vagabond.
    Title: Re: Current Episodes
    Post by: Griffith on July 08, 2010, 04:21:50 AM
    Good to see Vagabond back in business, preview sketches are up and all:

    http://www.itplanning.co.jp/vaga.html

    (http://www.itplanning.co.jp/images/vaga/vol.gif)

    (http://www.itplanning.co.jp/images/vaga/297a.gif)

    (http://www.itplanning.co.jp/images/vaga/297b.gif)

    Quote
    Was able to take quality time to work face , while entering into this chapter to catch a certain response . The haste with真理Nari . Takehiko Inoue 2010.07.08

    New Berserk and Vagabond in the same week? Now that's a nice birthday present!
    Title: Re: Current Episodes
    Post by: Eluvei on July 15, 2010, 12:11:15 AM
    Here's the official english translation of 297's comment:

    Quote
    I was able to spend some quality time with my work, and I've been able to grab hold of something solid and am using that to head into the next chapter. I'm thinking that I should take the safe long way around when I'm in a hurry.



    Griff, your sig told me 298 is coming out! And happy birthday! :badbone:


    (http://www.itplanning.co.jp/images/vaga/vol.gif)

    (http://www.itplanning.co.jp/images/vaga/298a.gif)

    (http://www.itplanning.co.jp/images/vaga/298b.gif)

    Quote
    Not good clean up. Really not good.

    Title: Re: Current Episodes
    Post by: Griffith on July 24, 2010, 02:20:13 AM
    http://www.itplanning.co.jp/vaga.html

    (http://www.itplanning.co.jp/images/vaga/vol.gif)

    (http://www.itplanning.co.jp/images/vaga/no_drafta.gif)

    (http://www.itplanning.co.jp/images/vaga/no_draftb.gif)

    Quote from: Google Translate
    Found a state of mind when getting to the name change.
    Name but did not like much work, excitement is back - I'm newly out of the shadow towards.

    Well, this week she's up so late is a no name.


    2010.07.22
    Takehiko Inoue

    Exciting preview drafts, huh? :slan:

    Anyway, 297 and 298 are out there for those with the nose to find them. Things have taken an interesting turn focusing on Kojiro... and a new character.
    Title: Re: Current Episodes
    Post by: Griffith on July 29, 2010, 02:06:24 AM
    300 baby! :guts:

    http://www.itplanning.co.jp/vaga.html

    (http://www.itplanning.co.jp/images/vaga/vol.gif)

    (http://www.itplanning.co.jp/images/vaga/300a.gif)

    (http://www.itplanning.co.jp/images/vaga/300b.gif)

    Quote from: Google Translate
    It is said that 300 times in this series. How much did it!
    Na long.
    The jump did 20 years ago but "Kamereonjeiru" comics that 12
    The question asked was discontinued, will draw you in that world because it is 300 times
    Itself can not really appreciate. Is that I got a chance to do so.
    Really thank you for reading this far.
    With a plan in the preface that the 300 plus holiday cover.
    Holidays And while what I do with my own health a little slump for a while now
    Or rather, because there are funny places, bon appétit thing about them that has been inspected.
    If there is nothing to be clean, properly cured and would have rather been in there
    I'll. Make sure to get your body clean and manga ~.


    2010.07.28
    Takehiko Inoue

    Well, that's interesting. 300 episodes, and although it appears to be continuing with Kojiro, I hope Inoue manages to work some Musashi in there for the occasion.

    As for the contents 299, all I have to say is: WTF? These episodes are very strange without the context provided by a translation (and I suspect they might be strange anyway).
    Title: Re: Current Episodes
    Post by: Eluvei on August 06, 2010, 09:16:28 PM
    Well, that's interesting. 300 episodes, and although it appears to be continuing with Kojiro, I hope Inoue manages to work some Musashi in there for the occasion.

    I hope so too! Been a few months since we've seen the guy in action.

    As for the contents 299, all I have to say is: WTF? These episodes are very strange without the context provided by a translation (and I suspect they might be strange anyway).

    Yeah, I have to admit that I laughed pretty hard at the end of the episode. I mean, what the hell was all that?!



    Translation's up for 300's comment:

    Quote
    This is chapter #300. Has it really been that long?
    Really... really long...
    But almost 20 years ago, I finished Chamelon Jail in Jump after 12 chapters without any fanfare. In such an environment, i'm grateful to have been able to draw something for 300 chapters. I was given the chance... Thank you for staying with me all the way.

    It's the milestone 300th chapter, and we're planning to have a cover and promotion for it. And another reward (or so I'm calling it), is that my bady has been feeling a bit off lately, and I'm going to have it checked out. If nothing turns up, I'll feel better, but if something does, then I'll probably need heal it. I will try to provide more manga with a
    healthy body...

    And unfortunately...

    Quote from: Google Translate
    We had planned on, do not do anything about health is restored, you will be rested.
    Who had been looking forward to apologize.
    Some of the symptoms this time what I had myself a little anxious, I went to get a proper inspection. It is now awaiting the results

    He's on a break until he heals. Get better soon Inoue!

    So, Miura wins the race?  :ganishka:
    Title: Re: Current Episodes
    Post by: Griffith on August 10, 2010, 01:38:35 AM
    What really got me to do a double take was the Vagabond banner minus an episode number in that update. Like it was over.

    (http://www.itplanning.co.jp/images/vaga/vol.gif) (http://www.itplanning.co.jp/vaga.html)

    I hope Inoue isn't looking down the barrel of something potentially serious with these tests.
    Title: Re: Current Episodes
    Post by: Eluvei on August 16, 2010, 05:28:27 PM
    What really got me to do a double take was the Vagabond banner minus an episode number in that update. Like it was over.

    Yeah, it scared me too for a second there.

    I hope Inoue isn't looking down the barrel of something potentially serious with these tests.

    It doesn't sound as scary on the official translation:
       
    Quote from: http://www.itplanning.co.jp/vagae.html
    I had been planning a chapter for this week, but I haven' been able to get healthy so I've been forced to take it off. I apologize to those of you waiting for it.
    I suspect that it might be one of several different ailments, so I've gone to get it checked out.
    I'm waiting for the results now.

    Hopefully it's nothing serious.
    Title: Re: Current Episodes
    Post by: Griffith on August 17, 2010, 10:37:49 AM
    Yeah, it scared me too for a second there.

    It doesn't sound as scary on the official translation:
       
    Hopefully it's nothing serious.

    Whew, well that was a case of a poor translation being rather dire. :ganishka:

    BTW, episode 300 had a really neat segment at the beginning recapping the story with a series of cartoonish inkings. Rest of the episode was just a follow up to the last, nothing special for occasion. Too bad Musashi wasn't the focus.
    Title: Re: Current Episodes
    Post by: TheBranded1 on August 17, 2010, 07:01:04 PM


    297 and 98 were ok, and that horse was taking the episode, until Kojiro showed up. 299 and 300 were so-so. I am going to guess is more Kojiro talk and what the heck is he doing there and what is he role going to be. Nothing much to add for now until a translation is available.
    Title: Re: Current Episodes
    Post by: Griffith on March 16, 2012, 03:29:35 AM
    http://www.itplanning.co.jp/vaga.html

    Back already? It's like it never left. :ganishka: Also, thanks for the head's up, Incantation. :guts:

    Btw, HOLY SHIT:

    (http://www.skullknight.net/griffith/301.jpg)


    (http://www.skullknight.net/griffith/301a.jpg)
    Title: Re: Current Episodes
    Post by: TheBranded1 on March 16, 2012, 04:37:23 AM
    No kidding! The art seems even better too. More yoshioka after Musashi. Matahachi is in a few panels as well, along with Otsu and jotaro. The acabe that gas me cracking up was the one with musashi being helped by jubei to smile .

    Edit: liked this pic too


    (http://img221.imageshack.us/img221/4486/musas.jpg)
    Title: Re: Current Episodes
    Post by: Walter on March 16, 2012, 11:49:07 AM
    I really enjoyed the chapter. The metaphor used to describe Musashi's predicament was well done, like the old Inoue we used to know  :sad: But by the end it felt to me like he was trying to cover too much material, and characters, for it to feel like a natural flowing chapter. Perhaps that was due to Inoue still getting used to this new chapter length.

    I also think, as usual, that I'm going to hold out on reading more, and wait for the full volumes to be released. I enjoy Vagabond more when I'm able to digest it per volume.

    Still, it's great to know that the series is back!
    Title: Re: Current Episodes
    Post by: IncantatioN on March 16, 2012, 12:00:24 PM
    When I saw the first few pages, I literally went berserk with a fat smile on my face. The art was impeccable, the angles were both new and some moments are captured perfectly in the sense of one flow from panel to panel. At the same time, I too felt it was a BIT rushed with less of Musashi spending time introspecting and being in his thoughts, unlike the old pace. Reminded me a bit of how Real was paced, tiny bit. Art's a big improvement from the Kojiro panels in the past few episodes, you guys reckon he'll improve those frames before they're released in a volume? This calls for a Vaga~re~read starting this weekend, YES! *finds any excuse to re-read the series*
    Title: Re: Current Episodes
    Post by: Rhombaad on March 16, 2012, 04:46:39 PM
    I also think, as usual, that I'm going to hold out on reading more, and wait for the full volumes to be released. I enjoy Vagabond more when I'm able to digest it per volume.

    Same here! I haven't read the latest chapter yet (I'm not even sure where to find it, outside of subscribing to the magazine Vagabond is published in), but I think I'm going to hold off on searching for it or subscribing to the mag and wait for Viz's volume to be released.
    Title: Re: Current Episodes
    Post by: IncantatioN on April 19, 2012, 10:37:29 AM
    Quote
    I think I've settled into a stable orbit around a one issue a month pace. In other news, there's a new logo starting with this issue. Since this is the third generation logo, I left a lot of white space on the front page for it to stand out, but a lot of large letters got added around it so it is a bit buried. I... I was in tears.
       
    INOUE TAKEHIKO
    17 April 2012

    (http://www.itplanning.co.jp/images/vaga/302a.gif)

    (http://www.itplanning.co.jp/images/vaga/302b.gif)
    Title: Re: Current Episodes
    Post by: IncantatioN on April 22, 2012, 01:27:35 PM
    Just read the new episode and it has some really good moments I didn't expect like him bunching his hair up before ploughing the field or breaking into a smile towards the end like the previous episode. The one thing I missed seeing throughout the episode was his (vertical) scar from the epic Yoshioka fight. Thoughts on the new logo?
    Title: Re: Current Episodes
    Post by: TheBranded1 on April 22, 2012, 04:49:17 PM

    It was a pretty good episode. As soon as the kid appeared with the sword it reminded me of Musashi when he tried to kill his father. I wonder if he's going to stay longer with Iori and teach him some new things to live on his own.
    Title: Re: Current Episodes
    Post by: Griffith on April 25, 2012, 10:58:10 PM
    This episode sort of hit me strangely, catching me off guard and pleasantly surprising me, because it's both something I hoped for but at this point wasn't expecting and had kind of given up on. I figured Iori was out of the equation long ago, and I wonder just how much of a role he'll play, and how much the story is going to revolve around farmer Musashi; I thought Inoue was going to punt on that too, especially after previously addressing it in a montage during Matahachi's yarns. Furthermore, it gives me hope that we'll still see him face off against Gon and, most of all, that Inoue will indeed redeem Musashi (perhaps in Inoue's own eyes) by having him discover the sword which protects life if Inoue adapts the "Seven Samurai" portion of the novel. That would be awesome, and a great way for Musashi to get his groove back.
    Title: Re: Current Episodes
    Post by: IncantatioN on May 28, 2012, 06:45:31 AM
    Fun episode ... some panels looked weird like on the bottom of 6 or 28, but 26 + 27 are beautifully expressed. I'll post more later.
    Title: Re: Current Episodes
    Post by: IncantatioN on July 03, 2012, 08:33:00 PM
    Has anyone else read the new episode? I quickly went through the pages of the magazine this morning and I can't wait to leave the office to go home, open the box it came in and read it calmly.
    Title: Re: Current Episodes
    Post by: IncantatioN on August 31, 2012, 03:22:26 PM
    Sorry for the double post. Did anyone get to read episode 304 yet? or 305?

    Episode 306 was out this month. Here's what Inoue said recently - "Share the story of 306 Vagabond Morning News released today ~ ~ Unfortunately, it had gone missing lines in one place I just overlooked so little. "Husband" with it has become a typographical error in one place to "forever". I am sorry. At the time of recording book fix. I endeavor to prevent a recurrence.". I don't have my hands on the magazine yet and I won't understand the Japanese text anyway, but this's just in case someone on here is going to translate them in the future (? ... I have no clue what's being said in the last 2 episodes *sulk*).

    Here's the cover of the mag for it!

    (http://c0014449.r32.cf1.rackcdn.com/x2_e216d34)
    Title: Re: Current Episodes
    Post by: jackalj on September 05, 2012, 05:08:22 PM
    So 304, 305 and now 306 are out. Aren't there any translator groups who translate Vagabond? Or are there other reason(s) why I can't find these 3 anywhere?
    I just read through the whole manga of what i could find. (all the way to 303) So I'm still pretty new to the release shedule, and the rate its translated. I know it's mostly monthly.
    Title: Re: Current Episodes
    Post by: jackalj on September 05, 2012, 05:22:53 PM
    Sorry for double post but i just looked on some websites to buy Vagabond. But I see different versions. The manga is translated by Viz Media.
    But they have released 2 versions of some volume's, the normal paperback and Invincible Under The Sun Vizbig Edition (the first volume).

    The normal paperback costs about 10 bucks, the vizbig edition 17. For 1 volume it doesn't matter that much but they released more vizbig editions and if I want to buy the whole serie it will cost me much more.
    So can anyone tell me if the vizbig edition is worth it or not? And if Viz Media makes good translations and good quality books?
    Title: Re: Current Episodes
    Post by: Walter on September 05, 2012, 05:30:45 PM
    Sorry for double post but i just looked on some websites to buy Vagabond. But I see different versions. The manga is translated by Viz Media.
    But they have released 2 versions of some volume's, the normal paperback and Invincible Under The Sun Vizbig Edition (the first volume).

    The normal paperback costs about 10 bucks, the vizbig edition 17. For 1 volume it doesn't matter that much but they released more vizbig editions and if I want to buy the whole serie it will cost me much more.
    So can anyone tell me if the vizbig edition is worth it or not? And if Viz Media makes good translations and good quality books?
    http://www.skullknight.net/forum/index.php?board=44.0
    Title: Re: Current Episodes
    Post by: IncantatioN on September 05, 2012, 07:29:06 PM
    So 304, 305 and now 306 are out. Aren't there any translator groups who translate Vagabond? Or are there other reason(s) why I can't find these 3 anywhere?
    I just read through the whole manga of what i could find. (all the way to 303) So I'm still pretty new to the release shedule, and the rate its translated. I know it's mostly monthly.

    I don't know of any translators, sorry. I have those episodes in physical formal and they're in Japanese.

    Episodes are scheduled to come out in the 3rd week's issue of Weekly Morning (mag) every month, unless Inoue cannot make the deadline for whatever reason. He's currently covering the Paralympics and I'm not sure if it'll affect the release of 307 scheduled this month. No official statement yet.

    I can't comment on the quality of the translation because I don't know Japanese (so I can't compare it with the English text). Maybe there's a topic on here that would address your concern.
    Title: Re: Current Episodes
    Post by: IncantatioN on October 23, 2012, 11:47:46 PM
    Bump.

    Just got my hand's on this month's episode and it's darn good! Without spoiling it, I'll say there's a bit of testosterone on display :zodd:. Anyway, here's the COOL cover ^_^

    (http://i1230.photobucket.com/albums/ee500/Piraancantation/WM47_zps44f8caae.jpg)
    Title: Re: Current Episodes
    Post by: IncantatioN on January 29, 2013, 02:04:55 PM
    I saw the magazine featuring 310 at a local store and was so tempted to buy it but I'd ordered it from Japan separately so it was pretty hard to say NO when it was right in front of me. Patience! So I'm going to wait for it to arrive.

    Anyway, here's a picture from this month's upcoming episode!

    (http://i1230.photobucket.com/albums/ee500/Piraancantation/311.jpg)
    Title: Re: Current Episodes
    Post by: Walter on January 29, 2013, 03:13:01 PM
    His art has gotten pretty incredible... Just look at the detail on the ground. I'm about a full volume behind at this point. Maybe 2?
    Title: Re: Current Episodes
    Post by: Griffith on January 29, 2013, 08:05:49 PM
    His art has gotten pretty incredible... Just look at the detail on the ground. I'm about a full volume behind at this point. Maybe 2?

    It could be more considering how big the episodes are now and how many will go in per volume moving forward. But, you can take a big slice out of that disparity on March 19th, when 34 comes out stateside! :guts:

    (http://www.skullknight.net/griffith/34.jpg)

    I believe the episodes making up volume 35 are already past and the latest episode is the second of volume 36, so we'll likely be getting another Viz volume this year, and hopefully 36 by the next. As a matter of fact, here's what I believe is an ad for 35 from volume 34:

    (http://www.skullknight.net/griffith/35ad.jpg)
    They got a month listed there?

    Anyway, like I said, it's hard to keep track with so many formatting changes and so little reliable information in English (I think the three of us talking here comprise the most complete U.S. source, honestly =). I'm currently updating the volumes section with the latest covers and episode titles, but they're not easy to find in English, especially the latest ones.
    Title: Re: Current Episodes
    Post by: IncantatioN on January 29, 2013, 08:49:11 PM
    Oh yeah, that's the image at the end of Volume 34! Wow, that's 2 volumes in quick succession, thanks for this good piece of news.

    Is anyone current with the series?

    EDIT

    If Vol 34 has episodes 297 to 303, it's 194 pages. In contrast, Vol 33 was about 188 pages. It's pretty remarkable to see Vol 35 with episodes 304 to 309 (36 pages per episode) = 216 pages! We're slowly getting more pages per volume :carcus:. If it helps, I can take pictures of the first pages for episodes 305 to 309, maybe a fellow member with Japanese textual knowledge can help translate those titles? Let me know if that is doable, Sirs ^ ^.
    Title: Re: Current Episodes
    Post by: Griffith on January 30, 2013, 11:59:54 AM
    Oh yeah, that's the image at the end of Volume 34! Wow, that's 2 volumes in quick succession, thanks for this good piece of news.

    And at his current rate it'll only be 4 months until the material for volume 36 is complete.

    Is anyone current with the series?


    I finally caught up with the one I missed (#306) and am now up to date.

    If Vol 34 has episodes 297 to 303, it's 194 pages. In contrast, Vol 33 was about 188 pages. It's pretty remarkable to see Vol 35 with episodes 304 to 309 (36 pages per episode) = 216 pages! We're slowly getting more pages per volume :carcus:.

    I'd be more excited about this if we hadn't had to go over a year with no pages already. :ganishka:

    If it helps, I can take pictures of the first pages for episodes 305 to 309, maybe a fellow member with Japanese textual knowledge can help translate those titles? Let me know if that is doable, Sirs ^ ^.

    That won't be necessary, I already have images of all the the titles, I just don't have anyone to say them in English yet. :judo:
    Title: Re: Current Episodes
    Post by: IncantatioN on February 06, 2013, 01:59:39 AM
    2 color pages on the inside of the new episode. Sort of a depressing episode and you see some 'resolve' (without spoiling much).

    (http://i1230.photobucket.com/albums/ee500/Piraancantation/Nuevo_zpsef29e197.jpg)
    Title: Re: Current Episodes
    Post by: IncantatioN on February 22, 2013, 05:58:39 PM
    Preview of the mag-cover for Episode 312 that comes out soon!

    (http://i1230.photobucket.com/albums/ee500/Piraancantation/734767540_zps65e496e5.jpg)
    Title: Re: Current Episodes
    Post by: TheBranded1 on February 22, 2013, 06:19:14 PM
    Looks nice. Is that " don't mess with my crops " face ? :beast:
    Title: Re: Current Episodes
    Post by: IncantatioN on February 28, 2013, 01:44:41 AM
    Haha not quite! The issue contains episode 312 and text in English which could be the title - The Hungry Men. Now that's also unique, in the sense (and I didn't pick this with episode 311 but ...) he's begun to include an English episode title in addition to the regular Japanese one. Episode 311 - The Wind In His Future. Prior to that there were no English titles.

    Summary - As the title suggests, this episode showcases the village suffering no crops and it affecting everyone supply of food. We're shown a family of 3 with a baby having just about enough to feed the baby. Our little friend finds a frog hiding in the ground and grabs it for a meal. While farming Mushi feels the presence of someone behind him but it seems like his mind's playing tricks from that empty tummy. A very old man is shown sick in bed, another person walks in with a pot and places it under the fire, the older man thanks him (I think). Few villagers panic, in doubt of their situation improving but Mushi shows his resolve and continues to dig in, can sense that it pushes everyone's resolve too. The episode ends with the last panel of the old man appearing to have died, though I may be wrong. Heck, I'm gonna be wrong about a lot of this so don't kill me : p
    Title: Re: Current Episodes
    Post by: TheBranded1 on March 19, 2013, 06:45:20 PM

    I just ordered volume 34 at amazon for 5.90. That price it's the lowest I have seen or I don't remember.  :guts:
    Title: Re: Current Episodes
    Post by: IncantatioN on March 25, 2013, 04:10:12 AM
    Yeah, picked up volume 34 a few days ago and thoroughly enjoying it.

    Not sure if the new episode/ chapter (what do we call these long format releases guys? I notice Walter mention chapter) comes out this month but I know something's being released on 04/23.

    He recently mentioned compiling volume 35 and here's a sneak peak at the cover, very sneak ... looks like Musashi in the back with a hint of his flowing hair towards the top.

    (http://i1230.photobucket.com/albums/ee500/Piraancantation/35prev_zps4e9eaffc.jpg)
    Title: Re: Current Episodes
    Post by: IncantatioN on April 21, 2013, 01:03:29 PM
    Guess I was kinda right about the cover!

    (http://itplanning.co.jp/content/images/topics/130419_vaga35.jpg)

    Pic below - can anyone please help confirming if it tells us that volume 35 goes on sale end of April or is that for something else? Thanks thanks!

    (http://twitpic.com/show/large/cjvg8h)
    Title: Re: Current Episodes
    Post by: Walter on April 21, 2013, 02:12:41 PM
    Yep, that's what on sale 4/23 means.

    Cute that it mentions Iori as a rising star  :badbone:
    Title: Re: Current Episodes
    Post by: TheBranded1 on April 29, 2013, 05:15:58 PM

    So far I have read to 311. Although, there is no more fights it's still very interesting to see Musashi get into the farming trade. I won't spoil it , but him and Iori are making a good bond. Also with the townspeople. A new challenge for Musashi :serpico:
    Title: Re: Current Episodes
    Post by: IncantatioN on July 25, 2013, 02:03:31 PM
    No Vagabond released in this month's issue. Inoue's got a health related set-back -

    Quote
    春からの右手のしびれや背中の痛み等の不調は首に由来するものと自分では思ってますがはたして。これから治療行ってきます。取材もありますがこの療養のためもあり、8月のバガボンド掲載は1回見送らせていただきます。楽しみにしてくださる方、どうぞお許しください。

    Google Translate - Disorder of pain such as back and numbness of the right hand from the spring I believe in myself and those derived from the neck, but really. I'm going treatment now. There is also coverage, but it is also for this care, I will put off once Vagabond Listings August. People willing to look forward, please forgive me please.

    Hope he feels better : /
    Title: Re: Current Episodes
    Post by: TheBranded1 on August 06, 2013, 03:45:44 AM
     :judo:Read 316 and 317 . I won't spoil it, but at least Takuan makes an appearance  :guts:

    (http://imageshack.us/a/img560/5508/svla.jpg)

    Edit:

     just read 318. Villagers waiting for spring yto be ready to plant and Musashi reluctantly gives into the women to gve them a lesson




    319 scheduled for Oct. 17
    Title: Re: Current Episodes
    Post by: IncantatioN on September 24, 2013, 01:58:10 PM
    10/23 is the release date for Volume 36.

    What I thought of episode 318 - the lady practicing her samurai skills on her husband was damn funny, cracked me up and surprised me. Wish Inoue took more time drawing everyone's features because it's a bit distracting to see rough looking art when you know what he's capable of you know. But yeah, hopefully the teaching brings back some drive ... plus he seems to have set the village up with what they need if you look at the last panel. So who knows, we could expect him leaving the village pretty soon.

    I'm currently re-re-re-reading Vagabond ... On volume 3, such good detail and visually great, he mixes things up pretty well during defining moments whether it's key dialog or the confrontation with the Yoshioka's. I wish he can stay true to the detail now too. He's had health issues. He's also spreading his time with wrapping up volume 13 of Real.
    Title: Re: Current Episodes
    Post by: Lukis on October 17, 2013, 05:24:38 PM
    Since I didn't own physical manga ,I ordered first 5 3in1 vizbig editions ,also Inoue has been going in pretty nice pace since Vagabond re-started. These chapters have felt slow paced which is not of course a bad thing. Musashi's resolve to stay behind for Iori and villagers is quite admirable. Also him training village women in latest chapter was pretty fun to read. Also I feel a new arc will begin soon with how things are slowly wrapping up.
    Title: Re: Current Episodes
    Post by: ghats on October 23, 2013, 12:02:38 AM
    319 is out :ubik:

    Vagabond keeps flowing

    Art still as awesome as ever. I feel Inoue's putting more and more work and emotions into the manga. The rice not growing/growing have put so much excitation into me. The guy can captivate you with a story about swords and killing 70 men, then with a story about rice and paddy fields. a true artist
    Title: Re: Current Episodes
    Post by: TheBranded1 on January 21, 2014, 04:31:17 PM
    322 is out, looks like the end of farming for Musashi .
    Title: Re: Current Episodes
    Post by: TheBranded1 on April 02, 2014, 12:46:46 AM
    Got volume 35 from amazon .  Fir some reason vol. 34and this one seem longer than usual. Must be those long episodes Inoue has been doing.
    Title: Re: Current Episodes
    Post by: Uriel on April 11, 2014, 02:33:50 AM
    Just caught up with Vagabond.

    I remembered why I loved the farming section of the book so much now - Inoue fully realized the emotions of those chapters in his retelling. Even though it seems to be ready to move on, it left me feeling very emotional and kind of wanting more. Seeing Takuan was also a huge bonus and increased the poignancy of Musashi asking Sado for help by an order of magnitude.

    Going to stalk the shelves of convenience stores while I'm here whenever Morning comes out.
    Title: Re: Current Episodes
    Post by: IncantatioN on June 11, 2014, 05:33:58 PM
    Vagabond will resume next week (June 19) in Weekly Morning # 29.
    Title: Re: Current Episodes
    Post by: Hitoshura on June 15, 2014, 04:32:39 AM
    A leak announcement in Weekly Morning #29 reveals that its return has been delayed until Fall due to the "Gaudí x Takehiko Inoue - The Source of Synchronized Creativity" exhibition. It also reveals that the 37th volume will ship out in July.
    http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2014-06-14/vagabond-manga-return-delayed-until-fall/.75569
    Title: Re: Current Episodes
    Post by: IncantatioN on July 05, 2014, 12:55:41 PM
    The cover for Volume 37 is here!

    (http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51lUkb494GL._SS500_.jpg)

    Pre-order link - http://www.amazon.co.jp/%E3%83%90%E3%82%AC%E3%83%9C%E3%83%B3%E3%83%89-37-%E3%83%A2%E3%83%BC%E3%83%8B%E3%83%B3%E3%82%B0-KC-%E4%BA%95%E4%B8%8A/dp/406388340X

    Releases on July 27. Going by the page length, the volume could cover chapters 316 to 322.
    Title: Re: Current Episodes
    Post by: Hitoshura on January 26, 2015, 08:00:38 AM
    Weekly Morning magazine cover for the return of Vagabond
    (http://i.imgur.com/Vdt8kdj.jpg)
    Episode 323 color page
    (http://i.imgur.com/LbInSMF.jpg)
    Title: Re: Current Episodes
    Post by: TheBranded1 on February 05, 2015, 12:06:40 AM
    i just read it.Was great to see Musashi and company. Along with Otsu, Jotaro, and Kojiro.
    Title: Re: Current Episodes
    Post by: Kaladin on February 05, 2015, 01:18:59 AM
    the art quality in vagabond is going down, it has not been that great at all in my opinion, the cover page for the magazine and the double spread look great but this doesn't look nearly as good as earlier vagabond episodes. the episode itself was great. not a big fan of the recent volume covers either, i think he could've done much better, the older covers are nicer. it's nice to see vagabond back again though
    Title: Re: Current Episodes
    Post by: Mangetsu on February 05, 2015, 01:21:05 AM
    I also just read it. The art kinda looks worse then how it was back then imo, a little bit sloppy here and there. Although it also can be due to the againg of the character's although i still would say that some panels looked pretty sloppy. Overall the comeback of vagabond was very nice, some good plot points have been touched upon, especially the ones revolving kojiro which i really wanted to see.


    Seeing more of other character besides Musashi was very nice. Im Glad that Vagabond is back  :serpico:
    Title: Re: Current Episodes
    Post by: IncantatioN on February 19, 2015, 01:50:06 PM
    Vagabond on the cover of Weekly Morning released yesterday for episode 324. I need to pick 323 up!

    (http://i.imgur.com/wfKvfCO.jpg?1)
    Title: Re: Current Episodes
    Post by: IncantatioN on April 16, 2015, 02:27:13 PM
    Episode 326 comes out today, titled - Those serving Samurai.

    (https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CCrrBUFUEAAXa74.jpg:large)

    Title: Re: Current Episodes
    Post by: Walter on April 16, 2015, 04:01:38 PM
    While we're at it, Viz' Volume 37 comes out next week: http://www.amazon.com/Vagabond-Vol-37-Takehiko-Inoue/dp/1421577445

    These volumes are how I've been reading the series for the past 5 years or so, and it's been pretty nice to first experience it fully translated and in a bound volume. I wish I had the patience to do so for Berserk  :farnese:
    Title: Re: Current Episodes
    Post by: IncantatioN on April 16, 2015, 04:24:34 PM
    That slipped my radar, thanks Walter! Can't wait to finally read it translated.

    Speaking of patience, I'm just as weak with Vagabond as I am with Berserk,  grabbing raws in both physical formats before a translated volume. In that sense, I miss that first 'WOW' impression I got when I was first introduced to the series reading Viz's translated volumes. Big part of me doesn't want to read fan-translations for these episodes. I'd rather stick to Viz or if there's something more accurate out there like the ones Puella does for Berserk.
    Title: Re: Current Episodes
    Post by: TheBranded1 on May 26, 2015, 02:58:40 PM
    anybody read 326 and 327 yet?
    Title: Re: Current Episodes
    Post by: Mangetsu on May 27, 2015, 02:26:50 AM
    anybody read 326 and 327 yet?
    Yep i read them.
    I'm really enjoying how Inoue is handling Kojiro's character for now. Kojiro's reactions towards how they try to behave him are hilarious  :ganishka: I hope that Inoue will come to a solution soon though, before this whole situation is dragging itself for too long.
    As for 327, the ending was especially great :mushi:


    Btw in the latest issue of Weekly morning, there was no date given for the upcoming episode of Vagabond which relates to Inoue working on Real again. Real will be returning in the next issue of Young Jump after a 6 months break

    (https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CFe_FEEWAAE6lkc.jpg)