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Title: Episode 308
Post by: Aazealh on October 06, 2009, 10:31:21 AM
Title: 幽霊船 - Ghost ship (http://www.younganimal.com/berserk/)



Looks like our friends the pirates are finally going to pay for their evil deeds... And give birth to a ghost ship in the process! :zodd: Other than that, I love the color illustration. The text on it seems to confirm that Guts was healed when the astral wave washed over him.

No break in the next issue, in case anyone wondered.
Title: Re: Episode 308
Post by: slan69 on October 06, 2009, 10:56:41 AM
I also like the color illustration, I also like the paint job Puck did on Schierke's face although I am guessing the other paint brush might be Isidro joining in as well. :iva:

The text on it seems to confirm that Guts was healed when the astral wave washed over him.

Definitely seems so because in the previous episode with Guts he had scars all over his face and now his face looks a lot better with only a few scars.
Title: Re: Episode 308
Post by: Aazealh on October 06, 2009, 10:58:58 AM
I also like the color illustration, I also like the paint job Puck did on Schierke's face although I am guessing the other paint brush might be Isidro joining in as well. :iva:

Yes, you can see that she zapped them both down soon after.
Title: Re: Episode 308
Post by: Johnstantine on October 06, 2009, 11:22:17 AM
Pretty sweet developments we've got here!
Title: Re: Episode 308
Post by: Aazealh on October 06, 2009, 11:32:49 AM
Pretty sweet developments we've got here!

Yup! It looks like the pirates had been following the Sea Horse from afar like sore losers. After the worlds merged, it seems spectres flocked to the ship that presumably killed them (I'm just speculating here, don't take this as a word of law) and transformed it into a ghost ship, apparently massacring its crew in the process. Reminds me of the tree in volume 14, or of Mozgus' torture room. :SK:
Title: Re: Episode 308
Post by: MaN on October 06, 2009, 11:48:39 AM
sweeeet. seems like the episode will have its lighter moments and will break away from griffith's atlantis. The panel with schierke as a cartoonish pirate is pretty funny.

hmmm about the rejuvination of Guts... I guess it further suggests that there is something good coming out of the inherently evil griffith  :griffnotevil:. Guts probably appreciates but only because he is now in better shape to kick griff and his minion's butt.  :guts:  
Title: Re: Episode 308
Post by: Aazealh on October 06, 2009, 11:51:21 AM
hmmm about the rejuvination of Guts... I guess it further suggests that there is something good coming out of the inherently evil griffith  :griffnotevil:. Guts probably appreciates but only because he is now in better shape to kick griff and his minion's butt.  :guts:

To me the big question is whether the astral wounds he received at Slan's hands are still there or not. As for something good coming out of Griffith (more precisely of his actions), sure, the astral world brings a mixed bag of good and bad. Magic, unicorns, elves and whatnot. What matters is what the God Hand will eventually make of it.
Title: Re: Episode 308
Post by: asmer on October 06, 2009, 11:54:28 AM
Thanks for the pictures!!

looks like the pirates had been following the Sea Horse from afar like sore losers

Third fight with those pirates... But from what Aaz said, I guess this pirate captain may not be the next Silat!
Title: Re: Episode 308
Post by: Aazealh on October 06, 2009, 11:56:22 AM
Third fight with those pirates... But from what Aaz said, I guess this pirate captain may not be the next Silat!

Yeah, I can honestly say he's lived beyond my expectations... Probably just so that we could get a ghost ship. :ganishka:
Title: Re: Episode 308
Post by: Walter on October 06, 2009, 12:18:42 PM
Hmm, I'm sure at some point we predicted a ghost ship encounter. But I never expected it to be crewed by these sore losers. There's no confirmation as far as I can tell that these guys are actually following the Sea Horse though. We could just be getting a glimpse of what occurred to them after the wave.

If a pirate's evil deeds come back to haunt him, literally, I wonder what else will occur in this new world order. Sets a very ambitious precedent. I also have a feeling there's more going on in this ep than the preview indicates, and I'm anxious to see it  :mozgus:

Ah yeah, one more thing. Reading through vol 34 last night, I realized the last time we saw Guts, he had wrappings on his arm. With this preview shot, he's removed them, I wonder if that's the moment he begins to feel something, and what we're seeing now.
Title: Re: Episode 308
Post by: Marik on October 06, 2009, 12:27:20 PM
Great suff!

Yes I agree with Aaz, it seems that the ship is going to be ghostly.(maybe if this is happens, shark raider could go after Roderik again..).

However I think that at this rate the pirates and their ship may have some kind of role.

About Guts healed, and being sure that something is going to happen to his artificial arm, I can't just wait to see.  :zodd:
Furthermore like Aaz pointed out, one of the most important things (such as eye and arm) to understand is whether or not the spiritual wound from Slan could heal.

(But what is it under the pirate ship? A vortex? Moreover that does seem to overflow from the ship? the Ghosts?)

Title: Re: Episode 308
Post by: asmer on October 06, 2009, 12:34:41 PM
Moreover that does seem to overflow from the ship? the Ghosts?

To me it looks like it could be blood??
Title: Re: Episode 308
Post by: Aazealh on October 06, 2009, 12:35:04 PM
Hmm, I'm sure at some point we predicted a ghost ship encounter.

Kudos to one Wally B. :carcus:

Anyway, moving into the future, the "At Sea Arc."  From Roderick's line "...our last look at land for a while", we very well may be spending several months with the Band on the ocean.  What do you guys expect? While everyone and their mom has speculated on an origin/retelling for Guts and Azan to the Band, MY money is on a GHOST SHIP :isidro:



There's no confirmation as far as I can tell that these guys are actually following the Sea Horse though.

I derive it from what we can see of Schierke's lines.

If a pirate's evil deeds come back to haunt him, literally, I wonder what else will occur in this new world order. Sets a very ambitious precedent.

I don't think it's very different from phenomena we saw in the past, like I said in my previous post. Places where a lot of "evil deeds" happened will attract evil spirits (same for objects). The difference is before it took a branded person to make it happen, but not anymore.

Ah yeah, one more thing. Reading through vol 34 last night, I realized the last time we saw Guts, he had wrappings on his arm. With this preview shot, he's removed them, I wonder if that's the moment he begins to feel something, and what we're seeing now.

Reminds me of a post I made in the Episode 307 thread. :iva:

The sound effect in the preview is that of a metallic "clicking" sound. Make of that what you will. Also worth noting is that in episode 305 he had bandages covering the artificial arm, but in the preview they've been removed.



Yes I agree with Aaz, it seems that the ship is going to be ghostly.

It's definitely a ghost ship. No doubt about that.

(maybe if this is happens, shark raider could go after Roderik again..)

It's impled that the ghost ship will attack the Sea Horse.

However I think that at this rate the pirates and their ship may have some kind of role.

See above.

About Guts healed, and being sure that something is going to happen to his artificial arm, I can't just wait to see.  :zodd:

We are not sure that something is going to happen to his articificial forearm, like it was said in the previous thread. He could simply be gearing up in order to fight the ghost ship.

Furthermore like Aaz pointed out, one of the most important things (such as eye and arm) to understand is whether or not the spiritual wound from Slan could heal.

I don't see the relation between your parenthesis and the rest of the sentence.

(But what is it under the pirate ship? A vortex? Moreover that does seem to overflow from the ship? the Ghosts?)

Looks like blood given the way it's splashing out, but it could also be evil spirits flowing out of the place.
Title: Re: Episode 308
Post by: Marik on October 06, 2009, 12:36:06 PM
To me it looks like it could be blood??

Yes, it looks like blood too!  :???:
Title: Re: Episode 308
Post by: Walter on October 06, 2009, 12:44:23 PM
I derive it from what we can see of Schierke's lines.
Ah, that's where my observations become useless -- translations! Thanks for the additional info.

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I don't think it's very different from phenomena we saw in the past, like I said in my previous post. Places where a lot of "evil deeds" happened will attract evil spirits (same for objects). The difference is before it took a branded person to make it happen, but not anymore.
I suppose that's more of what I meant. It's quite a dynamic shift for these evil places to come alive in the presence of your everyday people, which makes me wonder what ELSE in the world has come alive. Term used loosely here, mostly referring to the example of the tree in vol 14, as you mentioned above.

Yes, it looks like blood too!  :???:
Well, could be but it actually it looks more like the effect of a gathering of spirits to me. Resembles what Daiba looked like when Schierke looked closer at how he was floating (click). (http://skullknight.net/images/daiba-float.jpg) In this case though, it'd just be a bunch of ghosts floating in and around the ship. OR blood, could be. The quality is really too low at this point to make an accurate assessment. But really, blood ... spirits? Either way this thing is pretty evil looking, and awesome.

Ah one more thing. I really like the depiction of ghosts in the third page. Very cute :serpico:
Title: Re: Episode 308
Post by: Marik on October 06, 2009, 12:56:48 PM
I don't see the relation between your parenthesis and the rest of the sentence.

I mean that we don't know if even his eye and arm would heal as for the spiritual wound. The relationship was about the importance.
Title: Re: Episode 308
Post by: Aazealh on October 06, 2009, 12:58:43 PM
I mean that we don't know if even his eye and arm would heal as for the spiritual wound. The relationship was about the importance.

Regardless of whether or not his spiritual wounds will have been healed, his arm and eye haven't.
Title: Re: Episode 308
Post by: asmer on October 06, 2009, 01:10:22 PM
Looks like blood given the way it's splashing out, but it could also be evil spirits flowing out of the place.
Resembles what Daiba looked like when Schierke looked closer at how he was floating. In this case though, it'd just be a bunch of ghosts floating in and around the ship.

Could specters/ghosts possess the ship itself? So that they can control it? I mean instead of possessing the presumed dead pirates! To me it looks like eyes glowing somehow in that panel (another random.... and bad guess, probably :schierke:)

Ah one more thing. I really like the depiction of ghosts in the third page. Very cute :serpico:

Right I like it, too. Looks like Captain Pirate won't see it coming! :chomp:
Title: Re: Episode 308
Post by: Aazealh on October 06, 2009, 01:14:51 PM
Could specters/ghosts possess the ship itself? So that they can control it? I mean instead of possessing the presumed dead pirates!

Of course they can. That's precisely what seems to be happening here. Like I said earlier, think of what happened with the tree in volume 14, when Guts first met Jill.

To me it looks like eyes glowing somehow in that panel (another random.... and bad guess, probably :schierke:)

No, those are indeed eyes. The eyes of the ghost ship!
Title: Re: Episode 308
Post by: asmer on October 06, 2009, 01:21:30 PM
That's precisely what seems to be happening here.

OK, thanks for making things more clear then!! :serpico:
Title: Re: Episode 308
Post by: Dar Klink on October 06, 2009, 01:28:37 PM
I keep picturing Guts cutting the entire pirate ship in half with one downward swing.  :guts:
Title: Re: Episode 308
Post by: Rhombaad on October 06, 2009, 02:38:32 PM
Nice! Good call, Walter! Like Aaz, I'm amazed the pirates lasted this long. What a way to go, though... :magni:
Title: Re: Episode 308
Post by: Dar Klink on October 06, 2009, 03:21:42 PM
(http://img19.imageshack.us/img19/2150/1254874000104.jpg)
 :puck:
Puck Reminds you to support Berserk! :miura:
Title: Re: Episode 308
Post by: Riastrathe on October 06, 2009, 03:47:09 PM
Man o man I can't wait to see what kind of shape Guts is in and the effects of the merge on people. It'll seem a little iffy if Guts is the only one healed, because I'd assume if it heals him then why not others (eradication of herpes?). Although I guess he's a little more connected to the astral world. If he is fully healed then where are the repercussions for fighting like he did, or is this just a reset to lose the scars or a tale of future regenerative abilities.

It's nice we're being eased back into Guts and co. before Elfhelm. It's been awhile. (I've got a feeling things are going to get more unnatural and I kinda foresee Guts starting to look like Grunbeld seeing as how were not going to go down the path of a peely Guts and Casca entwined(woulda been realistic))

EDIT: O that was a nice surprise while typing!
Title: Re: Episode 308
Post by: Rhombaad on October 06, 2009, 03:48:50 PM
This episode is going to be badass! :guts:
Title: Re: Episode 308
Post by: Walter on October 06, 2009, 03:55:35 PM
Riastrathe, I think the word "healed" is being thrown around a lot here, when we really don't have any indication yet what the situation is.
Title: Re: Episode 308
Post by: Konketsuji on October 06, 2009, 04:00:35 PM
I was thinking Guts gonna be All-black swordsman again, but still he has white hair. 
And does anyone know when the next is episode coming out?
Title: Re: Episode 308
Post by: Walter on October 06, 2009, 04:02:16 PM
I was thinking Guts gonna be All-black swordsman again, but still he has white hair.  
Why would you think that?
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And does anyone know when the next is episode coming out?
Read the thread. Aaz said there would not be a break, so it's coming out in 2 weeks.
Title: Re: Episode 308
Post by: Lithrael on October 06, 2009, 04:18:45 PM
Holy awesome.  I love dead pirate roberts.  If this ends up being his last appearance (heaven forfend!) I am so writing a fanfic where he finds the Berserk New World and there is mayhem with Berserk Aztecs.  I am really not gonna be happy till there are Berserk Aztecs, even if I have to make them up!   :puck:

Aaaugh so much is happening, I'd love to speculate but I fear I'm just coming up with more ways for the plot to lead to Berserk Aztecs.  Femto scouts the world and reports back on all the bits he wants to go conquer!  Oh shit look there's a competing epic evil empire in Berserk America, let's go check it out!  And that Berserk China thing seems pretty cool too...  But fuck Berserk Russia, it's just too damn cold.  Femto conquers only the nice bits.  And drains swamps to prevent Berserk Malaria!

Um, yes, I shall shut up now; sry.   :rakshas:

Seriously though I am even more curious what's up with Rakshas now.  Unless he Did Something Spooky up there it looks like his whole purpose was just to get to see events unfold.  Hmmmm....
Title: Re: Episode 308
Post by: Walter on October 06, 2009, 04:23:22 PM
Seriously though I am even more curious what's up with Rakshas now.  Unless he Did Something Spooky up there it looks like his whole purpose was just to get to see events unfold.  Hmmmm....
Why more curious NOW? I'm sure he wasn't there for absolutely no reason. It'll be revealed eventually. I think it's enough to know that he witnessed Femto emerging, the sudden appearance of SK (the use of the Beherit sword) and the end of Ganishka, you know, his former emperor.
Title: Re: Episode 308
Post by: Skeleton on October 06, 2009, 04:28:09 PM
I'm really digging Miura's ghost ship idea.  The ghosts are one of my favorite aspects of the supernatural side of Berserk.  It's good to see them causing a stir again.

I also had a sigh of relief over the fact that Miura didn't go the kraken route (yet).  That idea was being thrown around so much.  I was starting to fear it might actually happen.  I have no doubt that Miura would not only make a unique version of the creature but it'd also be fantastic, but I'm just getting kind of tired of the idea when there are so many choices for aquatic threats out there. Honestly though, isn't this direction oh so much better?  :guts:

After the worlds merged, it seems spectres flocked to the ship that presumably killed them (I'm just speculating here, don't take this as a word of law) and transformed it into a ghost ship

I really like this idea, Aaz.  I wouldn't mind a bit if we find out that's what happened.
Title: Re: Episode 308
Post by: Aazealh on October 06, 2009, 04:51:17 PM
Hahaha nice, it's even more hilarious to see Isidro and Puck actually painting on Schierke's face while she's outside her body. :ganishka: And it looks like she's really friends with the seagulls too...

Miura comments on how "it's been a long time since he's drawn that guy" (referring to Guts).



It'll seem a little iffy if Guts is the only one healed, because I'd assume if it heals him then why not others (eradication of herpes?).

What? Those were scars, that's all. Burn marks. And recent ones too. There was a precedent for it during their stay at Flora's place, so it's not that unexpected, and yes, it probably affected everyone.

Although I guess he's a little more connected to the astral world.

More than a "little more". But that might not mean much anymore now.

If he is fully healed then where are the repercussions for fighting like he did, or is this just a reset to lose the scars or a tale of future regenerative abilities.

What does "fully healed" refers to here? His burn scars were apparently healed, but that's all we know. Let's not get ahead of ourselves.

I kinda foresee Guts starting to look like Grunbeld seeing as how were not going to go down the path of a peely Guts and Casca entwined(woulda been realistic))

Uh, what?

I was thinking Guts gonna be All-black swordsman again, but still he has white hair.

It is quite unlikely that Guts' white patch will ever become black again.

I am so writing a fanfic where he finds the Berserk New World and there is mayhem with Berserk Aztecs.

Glad to hear that.

Seriously though I am even more curious what's up with Rakshas now.  Unless he Did Something Spooky up there it looks like his whole purpose was just to get to see events unfold.  Hmmmm....

He is a crafty, patient bastard. Sooner or later, his purpose will be revealed. :rakshas:
Title: Re: Episode 308
Post by: Konketsuji on October 06, 2009, 05:06:15 PM
Why would you think that?Read the thread. Aaz said there would not be a break, so it's coming out in 2 weeks.
I dunno, this wave healed him in some way, I thought his hair restored as well.

But fuck Berserk Russia, it's just too damn cold.
Yeah, dude, right. There is also bears playing balalaikas. :carcus:
Title: Re: Episode 308
Post by: Chaos on October 06, 2009, 05:09:14 PM
Glad to see he hasn't "lost his touch" (in reference to drawing "That guy")  :guts:

And I dunno if it's just for the preview, but I'm glad to see those gnarly burn scars on Guts have seemed to have vanished/lightened up.
Title: Re: Episode 308
Post by: Gobolatula on October 06, 2009, 05:28:01 PM
Now, this is the kind of sea encounter I can get behind! Miura surprises me yet again. My mind immediately jumped to all sorts of sea monsters. But, here we are. Welcome back, pirates!

And as for Schierke painted up,  I have no words to describe the hilarity.
Title: Re: Episode 308
Post by: Rhombaad on October 06, 2009, 05:31:37 PM
Hahaha nice, it's even more hilarious to see Isidro and Puck actually painting on Schierke's face while she's outside her body. :ganishka: And it looks like she's really friends with the seagulls too...

Oh man, I didn't even realize that she was out of her body while they were drawing on her face. That's even better! I love this series. :serpico:
Title: Re: Episode 308
Post by: Aazealh on October 06, 2009, 05:32:41 PM
Anyway, in the preview we can see the pirates' second in command telling the captain that ever since the mysterious "wind" came, he's been seeing their dead comrades on the gunwales but also a giant, sinister shadow on the surface of the water.

What I'm wondering about though is how they got to attack Roderick's ship. In the first picture their lookout says there's no ship on the horizon (in front of them). But by the end of the episode, their ship, now possessed, is attacking the Sea Horse. It looks like it might have been boosted to cover the distance in a very short time or something like that (I don't want to believe it hopped on the ocean).

I dunno, this wave healed him in some way, I thought his hair restored as well.

It apparently accelerated the healing process of his burn scars, that's all we know. If the color illustration is to be believed, he still has a white patch of hair and his arm didn't regrow. Don't expect something too extreme (nor affecting "old" wounds).
Title: Re: Episode 308
Post by: *Gyom* on October 06, 2009, 05:47:54 PM
Great one ! Thanks !

Sorry if it has been mentioned already, but do we know what is the name of the new Arc and Chapter ? I thought i read Millennium Falcon and Falconia were over... :???:

Title: Re: Episode 308
Post by: Aazealh on October 06, 2009, 05:49:35 PM
Sorry if it has been mentioned already, but do we know what is the name of the new Arc and Chapter ? I thought i read Millennium Falcon and Falconia were over... :???:

Fantasia arc
Chapter of the Elf Island

Mentioned in the Episode 307 thread. (http://www.skullknight.net/forum/index.php?topic=10790.msg175805#msg175805)
Title: Re: Episode 308
Post by: Chaos on October 06, 2009, 06:06:46 PM
Maybe it's just me, but does anyone else get the impression that Guts is gonna start a cannon fight with the pirate ship, since he was incapacitated during the last one? I think he's crazy enough to try it.  :ganishka: ( I realize in all likely hood he's just getting ready for all the ghosts and ghouls that are appearing, but I couldn't help but think he would try to fight a ship, lol)
Title: Re: Episode 308
Post by: Rhombaad on October 06, 2009, 06:09:31 PM
Anyway, in the preview we can see the pirates' second in command telling the captain that ever since the mysterious "wind" came, he's been seeing their dead comrades on the gunwales but also a giant, sinister shadow on the surface of the water.

Haha, I guess we shouldn't count the "kraken" idea out just yet. I wonder if that's just around the soon-to-be ghost ship, or if other parts of the ocean are covered in those lost at sea.

Maybe it's just me, but does anyone else get the impression that Guts is gonna start a cannon fight with the pirate ship, since he was incapacitated during the last one?

I seriously doubt it. While Guts' arm cannon might work well against enemies at close range, I don't think it would be too effective against such a large opponent so far away.
Title: Re: Episode 308
Post by: Aazealh on October 06, 2009, 06:27:08 PM
Haha, I guess we shouldn't count the "kraken" idea out just yet. I wonder if that's just around the soon-to-be ghost ship, or if other parts of the ocean are covered in those lost at sea.

Yeah, there are many possibilities. It was already a big, mysterious world before but now all bets are off.

I seriously doubt it. While Guts' arm cannon might work well against enemies at close range, I don't think it would be too effective against such a large opponent so far away.

Haha come on, don't destroy that poor guy's dream. Maybe Guts will jump board to the ghost ship and shoot it in the face at point blank range! :ganishka:
Title: Re: Episode 308
Post by: Chaos on October 06, 2009, 06:38:11 PM
Haha come on, don't destroy that poor guy's dream. Maybe Guts will jump board to the ghost ship and shoot it in the face at point blank range! :ganishka:

Laugh if you must, but I can still dream  :puck:

Although, while I know you were breaking stones, that doesn't seem too far fetched of an idea, Guts hopping aboard the pirate ship. I don't see him "shooting it in the fact at point blank range", but I can certainly see him dealing with ghosts and possessed pirates. Then again, maybe he won't get the chance to jump ships if they beat him to it (pirates and ghosts jumping aboard the Sea Horse)
Title: Re: Episode 308
Post by: Aazealh on October 06, 2009, 06:42:58 PM
Although, while I know you were breaking stones, that doesn't seem too far fetched of an idea, Guts hopping aboard the pirate ship.

Don't be mistaken, I was only half-joking. I always consider every possibility. :miura:

Do not lose hope. :slan:
Title: Re: Episode 308
Post by: Chaos on October 06, 2009, 06:58:08 PM
Speaking of not losing hope, I'm looking at the colored page in the preview, and it looks to me like that right eye is open. Could just be the angle and how he drew it, but it certainly looks like I see and iris and the color where his eye is looks like a gray (which would make sense, since that side is in the shadows, for want of a better term), and a different color from the skin tone. Perhaps since his eye wasn't "lost" in the same sense as his arm was, the merger was able to restore/heal it?
Title: Re: Episode 308
Post by: Aazealh on October 06, 2009, 06:59:55 PM
Speaking of not losing hope, I'm looking at the colored page in the preview, and it looks to me like that right eye is open.

Nah, it's closed.

Perhaps since his eye wasn't "lost" in the same sense as his arm was, the merger was able to restore/heal it?

I very much doubt that.
Title: Re: Episode 308
Post by: Walter on October 06, 2009, 07:07:52 PM
... it looks to me like that right eye is open. Could just be the angle and how he drew it, but it certainly looks like I see and iris and the color where his eye is looks like a gray (which would make sense, since that side is in the shadows, for want of a better term), and a different color from the skin tone. Perhaps since his eye wasn't "lost" in the same sense as his arm was, the merger was able to restore/heal it?
I'm afraid you're  mistaken. The eye appears closed to me.

And I think many have the misconception that this wave would have fixed everyone's problems like that *snap*. As Aaz mentioned earlier, it doesn't work like that. Remember when the band was at Flora's place, a location in the astral world?  It's mentioned there that during their stay, recent, minor wounds will heal faster as their physical body is attuned to their spiritual one. Well, the whole planet underwent a merging of the physical and the spiritual worlds. So of course some small wounds will heal. But the cut across Guts' nose, his right eye, his left arm, and the spiritual wounds given to him by Slan aren't going anywhere.

We're talking scars, cuts and bruises here, people. Not a growth rate like a lizard.
Title: Re: Episode 308
Post by: Chaos on October 06, 2009, 07:28:10 PM
I'm afraid you're mistaken. The eye appears closed to me.

And I think many have the misconception that this wave would have fixed everyone's problems like that *snap*. As Aaz mentioned earlier, it doesn't work like that. Remember when the band was at Flora's place, a location in the astral world?  It's mentioned there that during their stay, recent, minor wounds will heal as their physical body is attuned to their spiritual one. Well, the whole planet underwent a merging of the physical and the spiritual worlds.  So of course some small wounds will heal. But the cut across Guts' nose, his right eye, his left arm, and the spiritual wounds given to him by Slan aren't going anywhere.

We're talking scars, cuts and bruises here, people. Not a growth rate like a lizard.

I was just thinking that the magnitude of this merger was far greater than when they were at Flora's, so something like restoring his damaged eye didn't seem so outrageous (while there is nothing to say that this is the case, I would imagine it would be.) And I only came to this conclusion when I zoomed in on the image, so perhaps I'm just looking for something that isn't there. *Shrugs*
Title: Re: Episode 308
Post by: Aazealh on October 06, 2009, 07:35:40 PM
I was just thinking that the magnitude of this merger was far greater than when they were at Flora's, so something like restoring his damaged eye didn't seem too far fetched.

Of course since the worlds actually merged the effect was more pronounced. By which I mean that it seems to have been instantaneous. However the extent of what can be healed as the spiritual impacts the physical has not changed. Guts' eye has been gone for years now, and it's not like it's still intact under his eyelid or anything. But beyond that, his spiritual body isn't that of a man with two valid eyes. Do you understand what I'm saying? We're not talking about a miraculous potion here.
Title: Re: Episode 308
Post by: Dani on October 06, 2009, 07:38:31 PM
Wow, wasn't expecting a ghost ship attack. Actually quite a pleasant surprise. I'm hoping we'll get a few more details of the whole Guts "healing" thing when the final scans are out.

The side on ship profile looks beautiful.
Title: Re: Episode 308
Post by: Walter on October 06, 2009, 07:45:22 PM
I'm hoping we'll get a few more details of the whole Guts "healing" thing when the final scans are out.

Yeah, and I'm personally awaiting an actual picture of Guts' face in-episode before I concede he's healed anything at all. Not excluding the possibility here, since the preview text does imply he healed quickly, but ... I need to see it before I believe  :azan:
Title: Re: Episode 308
Post by: MaN on October 06, 2009, 07:46:58 PM
Does it say in the text that Guts is healed ?? because from the colored scan and the last panel (with his hand) he still seems to be wrapped up in bandages like before. The burn marks seem to go up and down depending on a particular sketch.

Poor Isidro and puck seems to have taken the brunt of schierke's magic

Edit: Crossed out since walter posted before an answer while I was writing this
Title: Re: Episode 308
Post by: Rhombaad on October 06, 2009, 07:50:23 PM
I wonder if minor wounds in general will heal at a faster rate now that the worlds have merged, or if this was a one time thing.
Title: Re: Episode 308
Post by: Aazealh on October 06, 2009, 07:53:48 PM
Does it say in the text that Guts is healed ??

To be exact, it says "Guts will be fully recovered soon." This doesn't necessarily mean too much other than the fact he'll be able to fight as well as before. From it we can also guess that we might actually not get to see Guts in this episode; it could just be his hand in the last panel.

from the colored scan and the last panel (with his hand) he still seems to be wrapped up in bandages like before.

On the color illustration he has no burn marks at all. In the last panel, his hand is covered in the usual bandages he's been wearing for years and years, but his knuckles bear no scars.

I wonder if minor wounds in general will heal at a faster rate now that the worlds have merged, or if this was a one time thing.

That's a really tricky question. Personally I think of what just happened as a one time thing (at least in terms of being so spectacular), a side-effect of the merging. But there may be some permanent effects too. If we consider that the worlds have completely merged and are now one, then we could think that wounds won't heal faster at all, since they'll be wounds to the spiritual body as much as to the corporeal one. But within the new world's principles, wounds could also heal faster just because spiritual influence would override strictly physical concerns. In other words: wait and see.
Title: Re: Episode 308
Post by: Mage on October 06, 2009, 08:59:06 PM
What I'm wondering about though is how they got to attack Roderick's ship. In the first picture their lookout says there's no ship on the horizon (in front of them). But by the end of the episode, their ship, now possessed, is attacking the Sea Horse.

Maybe it submerged and resurfaced Pirates of the Caribbean style. :carcus:
Title: Re: Episode 308
Post by: yota821 on October 06, 2009, 09:48:30 PM
^^It does show them avoiding the shots by submerging... :rakshas:

Anyway, it would be a sick sort of irony if the ones that possessed the ship were the same ones that were abandoned by the pirates in the previous engagement with the Sea Horse.  Just another insult to injury, I suppose.

Looking forward to the episode, can't wait!!  :guts:
Title: Re: Episode 308
Post by: Chaos on October 06, 2009, 11:15:10 PM
Of course since the worlds actually merged the effect was more pronounced. By which I mean that it seems to have been instantaneous. However the extent of what can be healed as the spiritual impacts the physical has not changed. Guts' eye has been gone for years now, and it's not like it's still intact under his eyelid or anything. But beyond that, his spiritual body isn't that of a man with two valid eyes. Do you understand what I'm saying? We're not talking about a miraculous potion here.

Has that been confirmed, though? That the merger only accelerated the rate at which people would heal, and not the extent to which they would? I'm not trying to argue that I'm right, I'm simply trying to get a grasp of what the merger has been revealed to do thus far. Clearly regrowing an arm would be impossible, as you said. He isn't a lizard. But I was under the impression his eye was still there, but was of no use since he had a claw pierce into it (leaving it in a mangled state). If it had been implied that the eye was completely gone, I missed it, and that was my mistake.  I also just assumed he was so used to himself without the eye, that that's how his spiritual body reflected itself (just like with the scar on his nose).
Title: Re: Episode 308
Post by: TheBranded1 on October 07, 2009, 01:18:51 AM
I'm also thinking of the possibility that Schierke might have already spotted Skellig in this episode. As for the pirates coming back to try again and attack Roderick's ship was not something I was expecting. Quite a stubborn captain, but now he has different guests aboard. :carcus:
Title: Re: Episode 308
Post by: DrPepperPro on October 07, 2009, 02:19:07 AM
I'm also thinking of the possibility that Schierke might have already spotted Skellig in this episode.
Ya I'm thinking that they're close, since there's seagulls.  Though there's probably not a shot of the island yet, or it'd be the first thing the preview-pic-takers would get.

Is that it on the horizon there?  I know sometimes it seems like there's land looking dark forms above the water when looking out at the ocean, when there's not supposed to be any there.  So it's probably not.
(http://i212.photobucket.com/albums/cc145/DrPepperPro/possibly-elfhelm-questionmark.png)
Title: Re: Episode 308
Post by: Aazealh on October 07, 2009, 07:52:07 AM
Maybe it submerged and resurfaced Pirates of the Caribbean style. :carcus:

I thought about it actually, especially since like yota said, their ship seems to at least partially submerge itself to avoid the Sea Horse's cannon fire. However I'm not too sure about it for some reason, maybe because I don't think their poor excuse for a ship could reasonably sustain any sort of fast undersea travel.

Anyway, it would be a sick sort of irony if the ones that possessed the ship were the same ones that were abandoned by the pirates in the previous engagement with the Sea Horse.  Just another insult to injury, I suppose.

Hehe yeah, I was thinking the same. Crime doesn't pay! :void:

Has that been confirmed, though? That the merger only accelerated the rate at which people would heal, and not the extent to which they would? I'm not trying to argue that I'm right, I'm simply trying to get a grasp of what the merger has been revealed to do thus far.

It's not been confirmed and it doesn't need to be, because that's how it works. What I said is a deduction based on what has been explained to us so far in the story. The corporeal attuning itself to the spiritual. Hence why I asked you if you understood what I was talking about earlier. The wave that washed over people wasn't a healing wave, it just brought the spiritual and the corporeal together instantly.

But I was under the impression his eye was still there, but was of no use since he had a claw pierce into it (leaving it in a mangled state). If it had been implied that the eye was completely gone, I missed it, and that was my mistake.

When I say it's been gone, I just mean it's been dead. Useless. Whether what was left of it was removed or not when he was tended to back then is unknown. Keep in mind though that a pierced eyed is like an empty sack... Doesn't look like a functioning one and is pretty much unrepairable.

I also just assumed he was so used to himself without the eye, that that's how his spiritual body reflected itself (just like with the scar on his nose).

Then why do you think it could come back? It doesn't make any sense.

He does indeed view himself as a one-eyed man, and we've seen his spiritual body and it only has one valid eye. So why would the merging of the spiritual and corporeal worlds restore it? Do you see my point better now? For reference, I've already explained this stuff months ago. I really would not advise people to expect Guts to regain his eye or arm. It's been part of his character since the very beginning and it's not going to change.

Is that it on the horizon there?  I know sometimes it seems like there's land looking dark forms above the water when looking out at the ocean, when there's not supposed to be any there.  So it's probably not.

I don't think it's land.
Title: Re: Episode 308
Post by: Griffith on October 07, 2009, 08:57:48 AM
Hmmm, maybe next weekend I'll go pirate hunting... or just sit in my room reading Berserk! :griffnotevil:

Anyway, I love the emergence of the ghost ship! Also, amazing call on it by Wally ten episodes before the pirates themselves even appeared at sea, and a nice fresh shit sandwich for those that questioned the presence of the pirates before. Eat up, boys! :beast:
Title: Re: Episode 308
Post by: Chaos on October 07, 2009, 12:41:59 PM

It's not been confirmed and it doesn't need to be, because that's how it works. What I said is a deduction based on what has been explained to us so far in the story. The corporeal attuning itself to the spiritual. Hence why I asked you if you understood what I was talking about earlier. The wave that washed over people wasn't a healing wave, it just brought the spiritual and the corporeal together instantly.

When I say it's been gone, I just mean it's been dead. Useless. Whether what was left of it was removed or not when he was tended to back then is unknown. Keep in mind though that a pierced eyed is like an empty sack... Doesn't look like a functioning one and is pretty much unrepairable.

Then why do you think it could come back? It doesn't make any sense.

He does indeed view himself as a one-eyed man, and we've seen his spiritual body and it only has one valid eye. So why would the merging of the spiritual and corporeal worlds restore it? Do you see my point better now? For reference, I've already explained this stuff months ago. I really would not advise people to expect Guts to regain his eye or arm. It's been part of his character since the very beginning and it's not going to change.


Thanks for the explanations, it shed light on some things I was uncertain about. Much appreciated.
Quick aside: For whatever reason, I was interpreting his spiritual form to be how he saw himself, so when I said he viewed himself as missing the eye, I meant that he had just grown accustomed to that aspect of himself. While in the physical world he has scars, he doesn't portray them in his astral form (A good example would be when the merger occurred, you didn't see him covered with all the burn scars). While the loss of his eye is most certainly more severe than some cuts and bruises, I couldn't help myself but hope that maybe it would come back.
A silly mistake on my part, if I should say so.

Though chances of this being shown in 308 are slim, perhaps we'll see how The Dragon Slayer may have been affected by the merger, if at all? Or the magical artifacts, for that matter.
Title: Re: Episode 308
Post by: Aazealh on October 07, 2009, 12:50:24 PM
For whatever reason, I was interpreting his spiritual form to be how he saw himself, so when I said he viewed himself as missing the eye, I meant that he had just grown accustomed to that aspect of himself.

That's not necessarily wrong. The way people unconsciously perceive themselves more than likely plays a role. However it's not just that. When Slan dealt Guts "astral wounds", she didn't just hurt his feelings. :void: Again, this is stuff I already discussed months ago, so if you're curious don't hesitate to search for old posts on the subject.
Title: Re: Episode 308
Post by: Chaos on October 07, 2009, 02:35:57 PM
That's not necessarily wrong. The way people unconsciously perceive themselves more than likely plays a role. However it's not just that. When Slan dealt Guts "astral wounds", she didn't just hurt his feelings. :void: Again, this is stuff I already discussed months ago, so if you're curious don't hesitate to search for old posts on the subject.

Ahahahaha, true, true. Although I'm sure he wasn't too pleased about it, to be fair  :ganishka:

I'll be sure to search the boards if I have any other inquiries regarding the matter, thanks for the heads up.
Title: Re: Episode 308
Post by: Proj2501 on October 07, 2009, 03:32:08 PM
Interesting looking episode. It'd be something if the Pirate Captain was the only one able to fend off the ghosts (somehow) and not become possessed. He'd could totally be another incarnation of a Carcus-type character. This probably won't turn out to be. He's probably going to bite the dust for good soon. But imagine him swabbing the decks on the Sea Horse.  :slan:

*Don't kill off Captain Scumbag!*
Title: Re: Episode 308
Post by: Griffith on October 08, 2009, 05:59:23 PM
Though chances of this being shown in 308 are slim, perhaps we'll see how The Dragon Slayer may have been affected by the merger, if at all? Or the magical artifacts, for that matter.

I would imagine that they've become stronger, if there's any notable difference at all. By the same token, if many of these astral creatures have indeed become part of the physical world, depending on how the rules have changed, regular weapons might be stronger as well since they may no longer be on a different plane from those creatures, and thus unable to reach them. You could even then argue that the magical weapons have become relatively less useful, even if they're technically enhanced. :rakshas:

Interesting looking episode. It'd be something if the Pirate Captain was the only one able to fend off the ghosts (somehow) and not become possessed.

Yeah, I'd like to see him continue as the figurehead of the pirates, either as himself, or as the undead pirate ghost king! :magni:

He'd could totally be another incarnation of a Carcus-type character. This probably won't turn out to be. He's probably going to bite the dust for good soon. But imagine him swabbing the decks on the Sea Horse.  :slan:

*Don't kill off Captain Scumbag!*

Haha, yeah, probably not, but that's exactly why I love the thought! Unfortunately, I think he's proven to be too conniving, untrustworthy, and just capable enough that you really can't keep him around.
Title: Re: Episode 308
Post by: Aazealh on October 08, 2009, 06:15:58 PM
Interesting looking episode. It'd be something if the Pirate Captain was the only one able to fend off the ghosts (somehow) and not become possessed.

Possessed... Or killed. The ship is being possessed, but keep in mind we haven't seen anyone on board after its transformation. And a ghost ship that can submerge itself at will to avoid cannon balls doesn't need a crew to man it.

Oh, and he's not the pirate captain, he's the boss, remember? :badbone:

Haha, yeah, probably not, but that's exactly why I love the thought! Unfortunately, I think he's proven to be too conniving, untrustworthy, and just capable enough that you really can't keep him around.

Yeah he's downright evil, as shown again in this episode. The guy will never be a part of Guts' group, I guarantee it.
Title: Re: Episode 308
Post by: Griffith on October 08, 2009, 06:29:14 PM
Yeah he's downright evil, as shown again in this episode. The guy will never be a part of Guts' group, I guarantee it.

Yeah, it goes both ways too, he wouldn't want to join them because he's THE BOSS! :ganishka:
Title: Re: Episode 308
Post by: Gobolatula on October 08, 2009, 08:07:05 PM
You never know whose face'll get bitten with that creep around... Though I'm sure Guts could and would bite a face with even more ferocity.

On another note, I'm hoping that Guts and Co. will raid the F outta that ghost ship and take it as their own. How awesome would it be to roll up on Skellig in a ghost ship? Then again, Guts' and Casca's brands may or may not have adverse reactions to that.
Title: Re: Episode 308
Post by: Aazealh on October 09, 2009, 08:16:28 AM
On another note, I'm hoping that Guts and Co. will raid the F outta that ghost ship and take it as their own. How awesome would it be to roll up on Skellig in a ghost ship? Then again, Guts' and Casca's brands may or may not have adverse reactions to that.

That ship was a ruin before it became possessed, and I wouldn't bet on it accepting any living passengers while being possessed, so it's not very likely. Sorry to break your dreams! :iva:
Title: Re: Episode 308
Post by: Jaze1618 on October 09, 2009, 08:41:32 PM
I wonder if those with the brand will be granted special properties now that the worlds have merged. As far as I can tell there really has not been any information to hint at this thus far.

Time will tell.
Title: Re: Episode 308
Post by: Griffith on October 09, 2009, 11:14:07 PM
I wonder if those with the brand will be granted special properties now that the worlds have merged. As far as I can tell there really has not been any information to hint at this thus far.

Time will tell.

Though, as I theorized with magical items, they might actually be less "special" now.
Title: Re: Episode 308
Post by: Walter on October 10, 2009, 01:30:43 AM
Looks like there IS more going on in this ep than first met the eye. :chomp:

I spot a sea serpent on the first page and ... something strange biting into it on the second page. Looks similar to what Flora showed Schierke in this image  (click) (http://skullknight.net/images/ocean-creatures.jpg), what with the twin overhead nostrils shooting out air/water and all. Anyone care to give it a name?

Also, call me Peter Premature here, but... a bird? A bird means LAAANNDDD HOOOOOOO!
Title: Re: Episode 308
Post by: SrCraneo on October 10, 2009, 01:50:49 AM
holy... shit...   :troll:
Title: Re: Episode 308
Post by: Griffith on October 10, 2009, 02:49:04 AM
I spot a sea serpent on the first page and ... something strange biting into a it on the first page. Looks similar to what Flora showed Schierke in this image  (click) (http://skullknight.net/images/ocean-creatures.jpg), what with the twin overhead nostrils shooting out air/water and all. Anyone care to give it a name?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pd8gwYJA6Y4  :guts:

And I love the classic bit of the giant horrible monster being immediately eaten by an even bigger monster! :ganishka:

Also, call me Peter Premature here, but... a bird? A bird means LAAANNDDD HOOOOOOO!
I'm also thinking of the possibility that Schierke might have already spotted Skellig in this episode.
Ya I'm thinking that they're close, since there's seagulls.  Though there's probably not a shot of the island yet, or it'd be the first thing the preview-pic-takers would get.

It's hard to be premature on this board. :carcus:
Title: Re: Episode 308
Post by: Dar Klink on October 10, 2009, 02:52:55 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pd8gwYJA6Y4
Guts would get a lot of SMAAAASH Hits!  :guts:
get it?
Title: Re: Episode 308
Post by: TheBranded1 on October 10, 2009, 03:24:44 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pd8gwYJA6Y4  :guts:

And I love the classic bit of the giant horrible monster being immediately eaten by an even bigger monster! :ganishka:



It reminded me of something like this too Griff
 

(http://theurbanloft.files.wordpress.com/2009/04/rk-028-the-food-chain.jpg)
Title: Re: Episode 308
Post by: Okin on October 10, 2009, 03:50:03 AM
With monsters that big around, any chances Guts and co. will have an accident, and need to change ships? What are the chances another usable boat will be nearby though? I guess a warding spell from Schierke might do the trick.
Title: Re: Episode 308
Post by: Aazealh on October 10, 2009, 05:34:15 AM
I spot a sea serpent on the first page and ... something strange biting into it on the second page. Looks similar to what Flora showed Schierke in this image  (click) (http://skullknight.net/images/ocean-creatures.jpg), what with the twin overhead nostrils shooting out air/water and all. Anyone care to give it a name?

I'm not sure those old sea monsters that were drawn on maps were ever given names (they were supposed to represent whales, but the depictions were obviously not accurate). We could maybe call the big one a "leviathan", but it might not be very legitimate and we'd look silly if Miura used the name for something else at a later time. I'm going to stick to simply "sea monsters" myself.

Moving on, those sea monsters look great! :guts:

With monsters that big around, any chances Guts and co. will have an accident, and need to change ships? What are the chances another usable boat will be nearby though? I guess a warding spell from Schierke might do the trick.

There's no other ship near them, in the middle of the ocean. Except the ruin that is the ghost ship, of course. Frankly, staying on Roderick's state-of-the-art ship and keeping it undamaged is their best bet.
Title: Re: Episode 308
Post by: Gobolatula on October 10, 2009, 05:35:28 AM
I was lucky enough to purchase YA at Kinokuniya Bookstore in Japantown, San Fransisco. I encourage you all to do the same! It's great!
Title: Re: Episode 308
Post by: Buy Berserk! on October 10, 2009, 05:37:57 AM
Congratulations Gobolatula, you can be proud of your purchase! I love the color illustration in this issue.
Title: Re: Episode 308
Post by: Aazealh on October 10, 2009, 05:55:54 AM
Episode title is "ghost ship".

Interesting that the brands are lightly bleeding even at that distance. There must be a lot of evil gathered on that ship... Anyway, like I thought, we didn't get to see Guts! Makes me eager to see what's next, now. Good thing the next episode's in 2 weeks! :guts:

And I was wondering how the ghost ship had caught up with the Sea Horse but hadn't even considered a time lapse. Funny how sometimes the obvious answer can be easily overlooked.
Title: Re: Episode 308
Post by: Gobolatula on October 10, 2009, 05:57:59 AM
Looks like Seagull Schierke found herself something menacing in those waters..... I eagerly await a translation!
Title: Re: Episode 308
Post by: Aazealh on October 10, 2009, 06:47:11 AM
Looks like Seagull Schierke found herself something menacing in those waters...

Haha yeah. It's funny, seeing the preview I had thought there were a few seagulls around (pecking at Puck & Isidro), but it turns out it's just the one Schierke had possessed (so, Schierke herself). Makes her reaction when she first sees herself all the funnier. :guts:
Title: Re: Episode 308
Post by: Walter on October 10, 2009, 07:07:28 AM
I think it's pretty awesome Miura incorporated the "Here Be Dragons" type creatures of ancient maps in these uncharted waters. Very fitting. THere's a lot more text in this episode than I thought there would be. Maybe that will silence some naysayers...  :femto:

As for what's next, I can really see that color painting of Guts being the opening scene of next ep :guts:
Title: Re: Episode 308
Post by: Mage on October 10, 2009, 07:10:56 AM
Seems like the brands still respond in the usual manner.  Also, I'd thought the 'boss' had turned into the skeleton riding the shark figurehead from the preview, haha...guess not
Title: Re: Episode 308
Post by: Marik on October 10, 2009, 07:11:51 AM
Interesting episode.

I really wonder the connection between the bleeding brand and the fact that Guts feels something on his arm.  :???:
Title: Re: Episode 308
Post by: Aazealh on October 10, 2009, 07:26:45 AM
I think it's pretty awesome Miura incorporated the "Here Be Dragons" type creatures of ancient maps in these uncharted waters. Very fitting.

Yeah, it's awesome. In line with the rest of his work, too.

THere's a lot more text in this episode than I thought there would be. Maybe that will silence some naysayers...  :femto:

(http://aazealh.net/Divers/SA-emot-downs.gif) "Less dialogue, more action!! All this text is boring!!"

As for what's next, I can really see that color painting of Guts being the opening scene of next ep :guts:

Exactly. Dragon Slayer to the face of that ghost ship. Then a cannon shot. :troll:

Seriously though, I wonder how it's going to go down. I imagine the ghost ship will get close to them one way or another, and that makes me question whether we've seen all it can do yet or not. The damn thing could be resourceful. I'm also curious to see if other creatures will get involved.

I really wonder the connection between the bleeding brand and the fact that Guts feels something on his arm.  :???:

The brands bleed because of the ghost ship. That Guts is feeling something in his arm... is not a fact.
Title: Re: Episode 308
Post by: Gobolatula on October 10, 2009, 07:44:18 AM
In the preview for 308 when 307 was released, it could be that the shot of Guts holding his artificial arm (OR ATTACHING IT) could've simply been telling the viewers, "GUTS IS GONNA BE BACK IN ACTION." That thought alone makes me happy.
Title: Re: Episode 308
Post by: Aazealh on October 10, 2009, 07:48:44 AM
In the preview for 308 when 307 was released, it could be that the shot of Guts holding his artificial arm (OR ATTACHING IT) could've simply been telling the viewers, "GUTS IS GONNA BE BACK IN ACTION."

Yes, that's pretty much what it was used for.

(http://aazealh.net/Divers/Commando-GearingUp.gif)

Side note, but volume 34 is selling well in Japan. It was #1 of its category during its launch week.
Title: Re: Episode 308
Post by: Marik on October 10, 2009, 07:51:43 AM
The brands bleed because of the ghost ship. That Guts is feeling something in his arm... is not a fact.

Yes I know, and I do not have expressed clearly before, I didn't want to state (as I am sure of it) that is a fact that Guts is feeling something on his artificial arm for sure.


In the preview for 308 when 307 was released, it could be that the shot of Guts holding his artificial arm (OR ATTACHING IT) could've simply been telling the viewers, "GUTS IS GONNA BE BACK IN ACTION." That thought alone makes me happy.

Yes I meant even something like that. That could be IMO a connection between the fact that Guts is holding is artificial arm and the fact that his brand is bleeding.

Title: Re: Episode 308
Post by: Aazealh on October 10, 2009, 08:07:55 AM
Yes I know, and I do not have expressed clearly before, I didn't want to state that is a fact that Guts is feeling something on his artificial arm.

Riiiight.

Yes I meant something like that. That could be IMO a connection between the fact that Guts is holding is artificial arm and the fact that his brand is bleeding.

You mean he could be gearing up to meet a supernatural threat?! I'm pretty sure that's what we're all thinking here.
Title: Re: Episode 308
Post by: Rhombaad on October 10, 2009, 08:31:24 AM
Haha, Isidro and Puck getting shocked never gets old (mainly because they deserve it). :ganishka:

Glad to see Guts is back in action. I, too, am curious to see how he's going to deal with the ghost ship. It would have been nice if they could have somehow captured the kundalini. That thing destroys ships pretty efficiently.

I wonder if the color page at the beginning of the episode will be a poster in Vol. 35... :???:
Title: Re: Episode 308
Post by: Aazealh on October 10, 2009, 08:37:36 AM
It would have been nice if they could have somehow captured the kundalini. That thing destroys ships pretty efficiently.

Oh my, just imagine the possibilities. A pet Kundalini controlled by Puck or something. A scary thought. :void: Keep in mind though, this could still happen now that so many astral creatures are freely roaming the world. Maybe they'll tame a couple while in Elfhelm!

I wonder if the color page at the beginning of the episode will be a poster in Vol. 35... :???:

Would be very early if so. Not too likely in my opinion. Which makes me deplore all the more the lack of new artbooks. :sad:
Title: Re: Episode 308
Post by: Rhombaad on October 10, 2009, 08:42:00 AM
Oh my, just imagine the possibilities. A pet Kundalini controlled by Puck or something. A scary thought. :void: Keep in mind though, this could still happen now that so many astral creatures are freely roaming the world. Maybe they'll tame a couple while in Elfhelm!

That would be pretty cool. Having a powerful astral creature as an additional party member would make things a little easier, especially if they came upon something of the same element that turned out to be pretty tough.

Would be very early if so. Not too likely in my opinion. Which makes me deplore all the more the lack of new artbooks. :sad:

I'm sure we'll get plenty after the series is over, but it does suck that some of these fantastic color illustrations stay covered in text. I'm heading downtown this weekend after having lunch with my grandmother, so I'll be sure to order YA No. 19 and 20 in addition to setting up my subscription. That way I'll have a somewhat decent copy of the picture until it shows up in an art book somewhere down the road.

EDIT: I'm predicting we finally get to see Azan unmasked during the upcoming battle. Hopefully, I'm right and we get a chance to see him and Guts fighting side by side. :guts:
Title: Re: Episode 308
Post by: Aazealh on October 10, 2009, 09:42:34 AM
I'm sure we'll get plenty after the series is over, but it does suck that some of these fantastic color illustrations stay covered in text.

I'm not thanking you for these words Rhombaad. To wait until the series is over before we get more artbooks is not a very comforting thought. :azan:

I'm heading downtown this weekend after having lunch with my grandmother, so I'll be sure to order YA No. 19 and 20 in addition to setting up my subscription. That way I'll have a somewhat decent copy of the picture until it shows up in an art book somewhere down the road.

That's a good initiative. For info, a lot of color illustrations have been published in YA over the years, some of which never appeared elsewhere.

I'm predicting we finally get to see Azan unmasked during the upcoming battle. Hopefully, I'm right and we get a chance to see him and Guts fighting side by side.

Hahaha, I think someone has a case of 'stache withdrawal here. :guts: If it happens I'll give you a custom title. :slan:
Title: Re: Episode 308
Post by: Proj2501 on October 10, 2009, 03:35:29 PM
Guhh!!! Awesome shiiiiit. What the hell were those sea creatures? The Ghost Ship is lookin' pretty badass. Hopefully we some some boarding action in the next episode. Isidro vs Captain Scumbag: Round 2!
Hahaha, I think someone has a case of 'stache withdrawal here.
Aren't we all suffering from it?  :iva:
Title: Re: Episode 308
Post by: Lithrael on October 10, 2009, 04:07:31 PM
In classic statuary, the guys that look a bit like the bigger monster there are technically dolphins, even though they look nothing much like dolphins.  I think the ones with head spigots are whales, even though they look nothing much like whales.  It's one of those things that's useless to google for though, so I don't have much backup info.

I'd still love to see a Berserk take on the kraken in the classical style; these guys are some of my favorites:

http://www.lib-art.com/artgallery/15123-perseus-frees-andromeda-piero-di-cosimo.html
http://www.lib-art.com/artgallery/18774-perseus-and-andromeda-joachim-wtewael.html

I'm totally gonna color that monster chompy spread btw, Proj, warn me if you're hitting it already!   :carcus:

I can't make myself stop reading Dead Pirate Roberts' lines in the voice of the pirate lackey from Venture Brothers...  sigh
"Look at me!  I look like Johnny Depp!"
Title: Re: Episode 308
Post by: Oburi on October 10, 2009, 04:50:01 PM
I think it's awesome that, as Walter pointed out, Miura used the sea creature shown in Flora's book from a while back. I also think this is an great first episode for the new arc, with some classic comedy that was just perfect. At the same time we got to see Schierke kinda exploring and observing the sea creatures, which actually reminded me of star wars episode 1 during the underwater sequence. And I know we just got setup for a totally badass entrance for Guts  :guts:
Title: Re: Episode 308
Post by: Gobolatula on October 10, 2009, 04:58:43 PM
Now that :chomp: is temporarily out of the picture, we'll get another round of semi-sane berserker Guts, which is my favorite. It seems that's probably what we're gonna see considering how Guts is shown in the alternate volume 34 cover.

I'd love it if in episode 309, he just leaps out and is like, "FUCK THIS SHIT!!" and bashes the hell out of those ghosts. Serpico, Guts, and Schierke can wipe out the ghosts, no problem, but then we gotta deal with those damn sea monsters.
Title: Re: Episode 308
Post by: Walter on October 10, 2009, 06:32:49 PM
Found an interesting site that lists a few common Sea Myths that could play out here. http://blindkat.hegewisch.net/pirates/Nautical_Myths.html

Particularly:
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Sea Spright (also Sprite): A ghost of the sea. The word usually refers to disembodied spirit, a ghost; a supernatural being, goblin or fairy. They haunt ships that have troubled pasts, such as mutinies or perhaps a ship that had a cruel master who was murdered or was beleived to be in league with the Devil. Some people consider former slaves ships to be haunted because of their past cargo. Some sprights haunt spots where ships had sunk, basically creating "haunted waters”. Occasionally a spright will bring warning of impending doom or warn sailors to stay out of the waters but most tend to be vengeful and or troublesome. The word spright dates back to the 1500s and is an alliteration of the word "spirit".
Sounds a lot like what we just saw happen to the pirates. Although that was quite a bit more direct, as they've literally taken control of that ship.

Another interesting one I thought was:
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St. Elmo's Fire: St. Elmo's Fire is named after the Italian Saint Erasmus (Elmo in English). St. Erasmus is the patron saint of Mediterranean sailors. St. Elmo's Fire is a weather phenominon that occurs when a large amount of atmospehric electricity is present, usually before or after a thunder storm. It is usually seen as a good omen by men at sea, a sign that the very finger tips of God has come down from Heaven to protect the ship from danger.

St. Elmo's Fire appears as blue flame or sphere at the top of a ship's mast or masts, often for minutes at a time. It does not produce heat or cause things to burn. Sometimes the sphere will break up and dance along the yardarms and upper lines of the ship. On ships with more than one masts the flame may appear at the top of each mast or dance about like a blue flame licking the top of of all the sails.

Leave it to Ben Franklin to explain this naturally occurring condition in his work concerning electricity in the air and lightning. Basically as electricity builds up in the atmosphere before or storm or disippates after a storm it is attracted to the top of the masts which act as grounded lightning rods. The elctricity causes the tips to brightly glow in a blue or whitish blue light.

Despite Mr. Franklin's wisdom, the light is still seen today as a sign of good luck or fortune, escpecially when it appears near then en of a tempest. At that time, it is seen as a sign that St. Elmo has watched over the ship through the storm and answered the prayers of her crew.
I can see this or something similar being used to possibly repel the ghost ship, or the creatures in the sea. But, I admit it's pretty farfetched.
Title: Re: Episode 308
Post by: Mage on October 10, 2009, 07:58:47 PM
Looks similar to what Flora showed Schierke in this image  (click) (http://skullknight.net/images/ocean-creatures.jpg), what with the twin overhead nostrils shooting out air/water and all. Anyone care to give it a name?

Yeah, I'd say it's dead on.  Kind of looks like this "Devil Whale"

(http://www.eaudrey.com/myth/images/whaled.gif)

Can't believe it's been 5.5 years since that episode was released. But, I figured that foreshadowing was done for a reason :carcus: .  Looks like what I referred to on the other page (you can barely see it on your link) 5 years ago as "a Kushan with drumsticks as legs" is actually a "Sea Bishop/Bishop Fish/Sea Monk." 

(http://www.eaudrey.com/myth/images/seabish.gif)

Wonder if we'll see those, too  :troll:


Lots of pics of sea monsters with their historical info/debunking:

http://www.strangescience.net/stsea2.htm
Title: Re: Episode 308
Post by: Aazealh on October 10, 2009, 08:04:46 PM
In classic statuary, the guys that look a bit like the bigger monster there are technically dolphins, even though they look nothing much like dolphins.  I think the ones with head spigots are whales, even though they look nothing much like whales.  It's one of those things that's useless to google for though, so I don't have much backup info.

No, they were supposed to be whales, like I said before. Those are just inaccurate depictions of what people reported they saw at sea. They can actually be found in some old bestiaries alongside real animals. I wouldn't bother trying to relate them to their real-life counterparts here though.

Now that :chomp: is temporarily out of the picture, we'll get another round of semi-sane berserker Guts, which is my favorite. It seems that's probably what we're gonna see considering how Guts is shown in the alternate volume 34 cover.

The alternate cover of volume 34 is not necessarily telling of what's to come in the next episode. I see it more as a symbolic Guts/Griffith thing disconnected from the current narrative. Rather I'd expect something similar to the color illustration we got in this episode.

Serpico, Guts, and Schierke can wipe out the ghosts, no problem, but then we gotta deal with those damn sea monsters.

Well the ones we saw weren't too close to the ship, but even if the Sea Horse were to be threatened, I think Schierke might be able to repel them without too much difficulty since they're "simple" animals.
Title: Re: Episode 308
Post by: Rhombaad on October 10, 2009, 08:16:01 PM
I'm not thanking you for these words Rhombaad. To wait until the series is over before we get more artbooks is not a very comforting thought. :azan:

Haha, I'd rather not wait either, but based on what Miura said in his response to us, I don't think we'll see one for a while. Hopefully, he changes his mind.

Hahaha, I think someone has a case of 'stache withdrawal here. :guts: If it happens I'll give you a custom title. :slan:

Sweet! Yeah, I've been eagerly awaiting his official joining of the group ever since that illustration Miura did back in 2000 or 2001 (can't remember which year it was).
Title: Re: Episode 308
Post by: Lithrael on October 10, 2009, 08:26:02 PM
No, they were supposed to be whales, like I said before. Those are just inaccurate depictions of what people reported they saw at sea. They can actually be found in some old bestiaries alongside real animals. I wouldn't bother trying to relate them to their real-life counterparts here though.

Kkkkkind of.  I can't say much because I have no idea how to research it, but the greeks certainly knew what dolphins actually looked like (it's easy to find greco-roman art with far more realistic dolphins) and the stylized guys on roman fountains were certainly intentionally stylized - and at least in that context they are called dolphins, though I don't know the etymology there at all, maybe it's only recent.  The bestiaries like you describe came along much later IIRC, I would guess the artists drawing those bestiaries were just drawing everything they had ever heard of, and that included misinterpretations of fountain dolphins as some other real creature.  This is very wobbly info of course, pinch of salt, etc.
Title: Re: Episode 308
Post by: Aazealh on October 10, 2009, 08:34:21 PM
Sweet! Yeah, I've been eagerly awaiting his official joining of the group ever since that illustration Miura did back in 2000 or 2001 (can't remember which year it was).

2001.

the stylized guys on roman fountains were certainly intentionally stylized - and at least in that context they are called dolphins, though I don't know the etymology there at all, maybe it's only recent.

I'm not sure but I think it may come from the French word for it, actually (to describe a fountain spout). I don't really have the time (nor the movitation) to research it more in detail at the moment, but I wouldn't get too excited about it.

The bestiaries like you describe came along much later IIRC, I would guess the artists drawing those bestiaries were just drawing everything they had ever heard of, and that included misinterpretations of fountain dolphins as some other real creature.

Their origin can be traced to Olaüs Magnus' Carta Marina, published in 1539. Those were then repeated by others authors in their own works (Gesner, Münster, Rondelet, etc.). In any case, they do not come from fountain decorations. Here are some pictures for good measure:

(http://aazealh.net/Divers/OMagnus-CartaMarina-Balena.jpg)(http://aazealh.net/Divers/SeaSerpent.jpg)
Notice the word "balena", which is Latin for "baleen whale".                 And isn't this our friend the sea serpent.

Alongside these you could find sea cows, sea pigs, sea horses (just like the one on Roderick's ship), and other weird amalgamations.

As for the Greeks, it depends. You can find some strange things in Pliny's Naturalis Historia (centaurs, for example), and his work (rather than that of Aristotle) was actually the reference in Europe when the creatures in question were depicted.
Title: Re: Episode 308
Post by: D-Scape on October 10, 2009, 10:16:47 PM
These pirates are starting to remind me of their unfortunate colleagues from Asterix. No matter what they do they end up getting pulverized by their opponents, whether it’s Romans, Vikings or Gauls. The Berserk-pirates are even more unfortunate though. Now they’ve become… pirate-zombies? Evil pirate-spirits? Grotesque mutations like Davy Jones and his crew from the Pirates of the Caribbean flicks? Dead and gone forever?

The ghost-pirate ship also gave me associations to the legends of The Flying Dutchman. Tremble in fear puny mortals. Here comes “The Half Submerged Dutchman”!
Title: Re: Episode 308
Post by: Aazealh on October 10, 2009, 10:27:33 PM
These pirates are starting to remind me of their unfortunate colleagues from Asterix. No matter what they do they end up getting pulverized by their opponents, whether it’s Romans, Vikings or Gauls. The Berserk-pirates are even more unfortunate though. Now they’ve become… pirate-zombies? Evil pirate-spirits? Grotesque mutations like Davy Jones and his crew from the Pirates of the Caribbean flicks? Dead and gone forever?

Hehehe, they make me laugh personally. The boss in particular is perfect. He has absolutely no morals, can't admit when he's lost a battle, and violence is his answer to every problem. Yet he speaks of how pirates derive energy from their indefatigable spirit (in response to a complaint about how they're running low on food). His last line in the panel where he's surrounded by spirits is also very telling: "If ghosts were really here, we should have already been possessed and killed, shouldn't we?!"

:ganishka:
Title: Re: Episode 308
Post by: Walter on October 10, 2009, 11:24:23 PM
The ending is a big hint at what's to come:

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Roderick: Sorry but I might need your help for this battle.
Isidro: Ohh! Finally it’s our turn?!
Isidro: Leave it to us! We’ll do it in reward of boarding this big ship!
Puck: Arrogant kid!
Ivalera: Ehhh, troublesome work.
Roderick: If it’s needed
Roderick: (I'll ask a favor of) our guest in the cabin as well...
Sounds as if the whole party will be drawn into the battle, unlike last time where Roderick skillfully took care of things himself. And Guts is already prepared, having overheard it all. Awesome  :guts: I can see him firing the cannon to make an opening in the ship, then boring into it like a giant screw.  :chomp:

Anyway, with that, next episode is sure to be great.
Title: Re: Episode 308
Post by: Jaze1618 on October 10, 2009, 11:42:53 PM
This episode did a great job of setting up suspense for the next one. Great job Miura!

I would like to echo the administrator formally known as Griffith in regards to the people who originally had a cow when the pirates returned for round 2. I think an animated ship possessed by the undead is the last thing people were expecting after all the living/breathing beasts have been showcased.

As already mentioned this is a great throwback to the possessed tree from Volume 14.

See you guys in 2 weeks.
Title: Re: Episode 308
Post by: TheBranded1 on October 10, 2009, 11:52:59 PM
2. I think an animated ship possessed by the undead is the last thing people were expecting after all the living/breathing beasts have been showcased.



Well, there was someone who thought of the ghost ship concept.Read this please.


Anyway, moving into the future, the "At Sea Arc."  From Roderick's line "...our last look at land for a while", we very well may be spending several months with the Band on the ocean.  What do you guys expect? While everyone and their mom has speculated on an origin/retelling for Guts and Azan to the Band, MY money is on a GHOST SHIP [/i][/size]:isidro: 
Title: Re: Episode 308
Post by: Jaze1618 on October 11, 2009, 12:17:59 AM
Well, there was someone who thought of the ghost ship concept.Read this please.


Ok, I am going to go back on my original statement. Namely: instead of seeing you guys in two weeks, I will see you now, and I'll raise you the following:

Yes, you're right that Walter had predicted it, after all the living/breathing beasts were showcased back in June/July. Let me attempt to cover my tracks and point out that I said people. :rakshas:

---

Now regardless of whose right or wrong (I can be wrong by default). Walter, I am curious to know if and or why you were actually expecting a ghost ship, or if you were saying it for dramatic effect or other reasons.

I do believe the majority or readers will not expect a ghost ship, and that those who read the last few episodes in succession for the first time, especially will not be expecting  a ghost ship in this implementation.
Title: Re: Episode 308
Post by: Walter on October 11, 2009, 12:28:38 AM
Hahaha, Branded, while I appreciate you trying to defend my honor or something, I had no basis for saying a Ghost Ship would appear back in 2006. It was a random guess, just based on how Miura likes to use supernatural-evil things in his stories.  But in the context of how the world has changed, it's really quite a bit more different and complex than a ghost ship simply emerging from fog. It's the culmination of the pirate ship becoming possessed by ghosts.

I do believe the majority or readers will not expect a ghost ship, and that those who read the last few chapters in succession for the first time, especially will not be expecting  a ghost ship in this implementation.
It's EPISODE, not chapter. We are afterall in the beginning of a new chapter: Elf Island. So would you say it's Berserk: Fantasia Arc, Elf Island Chapter, Chapter 308: Ghost Ship? I don't think so :miura:
Title: Re: Episode 308
Post by: Chaos on October 11, 2009, 01:15:16 AM

Exactly. Dragon Slayer to the face of that ghost ship. Then a cannon shot.

Ahahahaha, I like it! Gotta get the dust off the D.S., for sure!  :guts:

Nice to see the brand still reacting to the presence of evil spirits in its usual manner (at least for the time being). I was thinking since the merger, it might react differently, maybe oozing slightly all of the time.

Our boy might be in trouble if the ship decides to submerge itself while he's in mid rampage. I hope he gets to the face of the ship before that happens  :troll:
Title: Re: Episode 308
Post by: Slan_wings on October 11, 2009, 01:40:39 AM
 Of course the dead spirits could also possess roderick's ship and have  both ships collide then have to swim to the island. Since I don't think Guts could stop Roderick's ship being possessed since Guts & Casca are a torch to the dead.  :magni:
 
Title: Re: Episode 308
Post by: Walter on October 11, 2009, 01:46:19 AM
Of course the dead spirits could also possess roderick's ship and have  both ships collide then have to swim to the island. Since I don't think Guts could stop Roderick's ship being possessed since Guts & Casca are a torch to the dead. 
 
Maybe, but Roderick's ship isn't festering with the weight of death and evil like the pirates'. It's not like the possession was random. They were probably drawn there.
Title: Re: Episode 308
Post by: Griffith on October 11, 2009, 01:58:01 AM
I would like to echo the administrator formally known as Griffith in regards to the people who originally had a cow when the pirates returned for round 2.
Yup, and I'm known as Griffith again, just totally hardcore legit written in Japanese now. :griffnotevil:

chapters

BUSTED!

(http://www.skullknight.net/griffith/episode.jpg)

When new episodes come out, we should censor the word "chapter" with the code for the above image. Just for the day. =)

Maybe, but Roderick's ship isn't festering with the weight of death and evil like the pirates'. It's not like the possession was random. They were probably drawn there.

Yeah, it goes beyond mere contact, the foundation for that kind of possession and presence probably needs to be pretty strong for it to take.


Anyway, I love the idea of the Ghost Ship moving around under water like a submarine or shark. :guts: :chomp:
Title: Re: Episode 308
Post by: Blaze of Glory on October 11, 2009, 04:41:56 AM
A many people have said I get the feeling that the pirates have become like the crew of the flying Dutchman  :ganishka:
Title: Re: Episode 308
Post by: puella on October 11, 2009, 07:51:36 AM
Too bad the boss and his crew finally got possessed/killed. :judo: I like the boss, especially his conception about his "business". He considers selling kids to be a decent and legal job. :ganishka: A man of conviction, always cussing but charismatic, which makes his men obey him though he's just a vicious villain. I think the reason the ghost ship is going after the Sea Horse may be that the boss' strong will and desire for revenge prevailed over death. He hasn't showed up much but I think he'll be remembered as a character who stood out.
Title: Re: Episode 308
Post by: Aazealh on October 11, 2009, 08:00:45 AM
Since I don't think Guts could stop Roderick's ship being possessed since Guts & Casca are a torch to the dead.

I think Guts and the others could actually stop it, and besides, he and Casca are still wearing wards that hide them from evil.
Title: Re: Episode 308
Post by: Griffith on October 11, 2009, 08:43:36 AM
I think the reason the ghost ship is going after the Sea Horse may be that the boss' strong will and desire for revenge prevailed over death.

I thought the same thing when I read this line of your lovely translation:

Boss: That fucking stud-horse of Ys, I'll chase that ship to the end of the world and definitely crush it into wooden scraps on the sea.

Reminded me of Captain Ahab, and in a twisted sense, it's like he's being being granted his wish.

He hasn't showed up much but I think he'll be remembered as a character who stood out.

Oh, I'm still hoping he's going to make another appearance... in a new form, of course. :zodd:
Title: Re: Episode 308
Post by: Doc on October 11, 2009, 11:58:10 AM
I wonder what state the buccaneers are gonna be in, if they're still around. I'd imagine shrivelled up zombies, since the ship was losing a lot of blood.  :SK:
Title: Re: Episode 308
Post by: Jhot obs on October 11, 2009, 12:27:54 PM
One thought that comes to mind looking at this episode: when people are possessed by spirits, which I'm assuming happened with the pirates, they usually turn into super strong bloodthirsty savages ala the pagans of Albion. That said, I'd hope Isidro would be more aggressive with them (like how Mule was) back in Vritannis now that they're no longer human. It would be great for him to put experiences fighting trolls & Kushan familiars & have them tested out here, especially if this is what's going to be expected back on the mainland. As for right now:

:isidro: "Holy shit! It's you guys again!"

Same for Azan & finally fighting alongside everyone. Should be fun to read, as I don't remember him having that much trouble against the Bakiraka & possessed pagans in their orgy lair. Not to mention his reaction, along with Roderick's crew's, to seeing Isidro, Serpico & maybe Farnese using their fetishes in battle. Overall, I think this whole exercise of the pirates/ghost ship will be to show how well/cool Azan fits in with the group & (hopefully) how much Isidro is coming closer to becoming his ideal swordsman. That, and of course, how well Guts is doing.

By the way, even if the group boards the ships & kills all the baddies, won't that still leave a floating possessed ship after the Sea Horse? Or maybe it's just a matter of time before the Captain Shark Rider gets used for firewood or given a Viking's funeral. :troll:
Title: Re: Episode 308
Post by: Aazealh on October 11, 2009, 12:32:01 PM
the ship was losing a lot of blood.  :SK:

What we see when it submerges isn't necessarily blood. It looks similar to Daiba seen by Schierke within the armor in episode 270.

(http://aazealh.net/Divers/Daiba-evil.jpg)
Title: Re: Episode 308
Post by: Griffith on October 11, 2009, 07:26:00 PM
What's interesting about that in context of the entire page is that Schierke is actually looking past Guts' distorted vision inside the armor, which she recognizes earlier in the episode, to see what's actually there:

Daiba, the dark angel!
(http://www.skullknight.net/griffith/beastvision.jpg)
Or...

I'm not sure how that relates, since it's made pretty clear, from the incident with the crocodiles on the beach, that the armor doesn't just show you a manifestation of evil that's actually there, but literally will distort whatever is there to make it more frightening and threatening. Obviously, what we're seeing with the ghost ship isn't a distortion, but the evil actually emanating from it, so it's probably just a similar technique to express that.
Title: Re: Episode 308
Post by: Aazealh on October 11, 2009, 07:48:50 PM
Obviously, what were seeing with the ghost ship isn't a distortion, but the evil actually emanating from it, so it's probably just a similar technique to express that.

Yeah in this precise case it's a pretty neutral depiction, so the comparison can be strictly about the artwork.

Anyway this talk makes me wonder about the armor's dark fluid again, both the physical component (that covers Guts' body) and the spiritual one (that deforms his vision). Hopefully someone in Elfhelm will be able to shed some light on how it all works.
Title: Re: Episode 308
Post by: Rhombaad on October 11, 2009, 09:42:20 PM
I encourage you all to do the same! It's great!

I just got back from the Kinokuniya in Seattle where I set up a year long subscription to Young Animal. I also ordered YA No. 19 and 20. Hopefully, my subscription will start with the upcoming issue, No. 21, but if not, I'll just order the issues I'm missing later on. I'm pretty excited. :serpico:
Title: Re: Episode 308
Post by: Triple Life on October 12, 2009, 05:55:20 AM
I'm probably the only person who enjoyed Isidro painting the scar of Crocodile, from One Piece, on Schierke's face more than any other single thing in the entire episode.
Title: Re: Episode 308
Post by: Aazealh on October 12, 2009, 09:15:51 AM
I just got back from the Kinokuniya in Seattle where I set up a year long subscription to Young Animal.

Good man. A model citizen!

I'm probably the only person who enjoyed Isidro painting the scar of Crocodile, from One Piece, on Schierke's face more than any other single thing in the entire episode.

Hadn't thought of it, but it's true it's resembling. Funny coincidence I guess?
Title: Re: Episode 308
Post by: Walter on October 12, 2009, 01:44:55 PM
I'm probably the only person who enjoyed Isidro painting the scar of Crocodile, from One Piece, on Schierke's face more than any other single thing in the entire episode.
If doing a 1:1 comparison, they indeed look very similar. But I'm not 100.00% sure it's an homage.
Title: Re: Episode 308
Post by: Aazealh on October 12, 2009, 01:54:24 PM
If doing a 1:1 comparison, they indeed look very similar. But I'm not 100.00% sure it's an homage.

For an homage it would really be very obscure and not quite related. The character in question in One Piece is about as far from the "typical pirate" Isidro and Puck were making Schierke into as possible, and I'd think of his giant hook or his special power rather than his scar as his signature. Not to mention that he's an old villain not very prominent in the series. Not exactly the best material for an homage in my opinion. Finally, when Miura actually pays homage to a series he makes it clear. Clear like this:

(http://aazealh.net/Divers/Puck-JimHawkins.jpg)

So I'd be wary not to see more into it than an exaggerated stereotypical pirate scar to go along with the rest of the disguise. As someone who's actually read One Piece (including the Arabasta arc and far beyond it), it sounds as unlikely as saying Mihawk would be an homage to Guts and/or Griffith to me. Interestingly enough I didn't notice that detail at all before Triple Life mentioned it, but found a funny parallel in the pirate boss' "indefatigable spirit" and the notion often found in shounen manga that as long as the hero tries really hard, no matter how outmatched he is, he can win.
Title: Re: Episode 308
Post by: Johnstantine on October 12, 2009, 03:05:17 PM
For an homage it would really be very obscure and not quite related. The character in question in One Piece is about as far from the "typical pirate" Isidro and Puck were making Schierke into as possible, and I'd think of his giant hook or his special power rather than his scar as his signature. Not to mention that he's an old villain very not prominent in the series. Not exactly the best material for an homage in my opinion.

Actually, Crocodile has been a pretty prominent character for the last few months.

Crocodile was actually the first major villain in One Piece and still continues to be the longest running primary villain in the series.  Arlong was a big one, but Crocodile took the crown since he actually beat Luffy on more than one occassion.

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So I'd be wary not to see more into it than an exaggerated stereotypical pirate scar to go along with the rest of the disguise.

I imagine it's purely coincidental, but there's always the slight chance that it could just be a homage to the character.
Title: Re: Episode 308
Post by: Aazealh on October 12, 2009, 04:40:30 PM
Actually, Crocodile has been a pretty prominent character for the last few months.

Sure, he's come back recently (but then again, so has Baggy, right?), but overall if you had to think of one character to represent the series, would he the one? Not to me. That's what we need to think about here and that's what I mean by prominent. I'd understand if Schierke had a fake hook and if her face wasn't covered in pirate clichés, but I just don't see it here. Maybe I'm crazy, I don't know.

I imagine it's purely coincidental, but there's always the slight chance that it could just be a homage to the character.

By that reasoning though, why not say the time the captain fell into the water and told Isidro he couldn't swim is a reference to devil fruit users? Personally, if I had to imagine a real homage in line with those we've seen so far, it'd be more along the lines of Isidro fighting while awkwardly holding a sword in his mouth and Puck making a witty comment while wearing Zoro's bandana. An unmistakable nod, like the ones to Saint Seiya, Doraemon or Gundam.

Maybe we ought not to turn this into a One Piece discussion though. :farnese: So, uh, who's in for an Azan/Isidro combo in episode 309?
Title: Re: Episode 308
Post by: Walter on October 12, 2009, 04:59:36 PM
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Maybe we ought not to turn this into a One Piece discussion though. :farnese: So, uh, who's in for an Azan/Isidro combo in episode 309?
Here's hoping. And yeah, there are indeed much better things to be arguing over than a cartoony scar that was wiped away a few pages later.

With all these creatures appearing, and the possession of the pirate ship, it really drives home the fact that this is going to be a pretty violent, chaotic world. Not simply unicorns over here and dragons over there. And with that, the possibilities are nearly endless, so much so that it's very difficult to predict much in the near or even distant future.

What I've been wondering about recently is what will happen to the deceased. What will happen to people's spirits when they die now? Before, lingering spirits would hang around for a time before ultimately moving on "to a place where they become one," as Griffith said in ep 195. But... what now? Are spirits still going to be compelled to move on to the afterlife? And, as evidenced in ep 306,  if corpses are reanimated as they were around Guts in vol 1, does that mean ... ALL corpses will have that response? That's pretty serious. Corpse disposal could become BIG BUSINESS!

And on that note, if we learn of the ultimate fate of the pirates aboard the ghost ship, it could give us a clue to how that cycle will operate now. Personally, I agree with Puella's earlier post. I think they've joined their former comrades, at this point.
Title: Re: Episode 308
Post by: Aazealh on October 12, 2009, 05:40:12 PM
What I've been wondering about recently is what will happen to the deceased. What will happen to people's spirits when they die now? Before, lingering spirits would hang around for a time before ultimately moving on "to a place where they become one," as Griffith said in ep 195. But... what now? Are spirits still going to be compelled to move on to the afterlife? And, as evidenced in ep 306,  if corpses are reanimated as they were around Guts in vol 1, does that mean ... ALL corpses will have that response? That's pretty serious. Corpse disposal could become BIG BUSINESS!

Interesting question actually. Breaking the cycle of life and death, having souls permanently remain in the world as specters... Could that be part of the God Hand's secret plan?! :SK: And yeah, I guess people might start burning the dead real soon.

And on that note, if we learn of the ultimate fate of the pirates aboard the ghost ship, it could give us a clue to how that cycle will operate now. Personally, I agree with Puella's earlier post. I think they've joined their former comrades, at this point.

Well if not I hope they can all hold their breath for a while. :ganishka:
Title: Re: Episode 308
Post by: Deathbringer on October 15, 2009, 11:58:02 AM
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And, as evidenced in ep 306,  if corpses are reanimated as they were around Guts in vol 1, does that mean ... ALL corpses will have that response? That's pretty serious. Corpse disposal could become BIG BUSINESS!

Oh boy, i just noticed that those corpses are all emerging from a random cemetery.

I first thought it was the spirits of warriors who died a particularly gruesome death or the usual spirits who couldn't accept their death. If *any* dead person is game for resurrection, that could mean complete chaos in certain areas. After the 100 year war, the constant mercenary, the plague that spread through Midland, the Kushan war and all the unrelentless crap that you expect in a medieval world, the corpse toll should be in the thousands.
Title: Re: Episode 308
Post by: Aazealh on October 15, 2009, 12:30:01 PM
I first thought it was the spirits of warriors who died a particularly gruesome death or the usual spirits who couldn't accept their death. If *any* dead person is game for resurrection, that could mean complete chaos in certain areas.

It's evil spirits that possess skeletons, the same way they can possess humans or animals or pretty much anything. Remember Colette. :beast:
Title: Re: Episode 308
Post by: Walter on October 15, 2009, 03:20:09 PM
Oh boy, i just noticed that those corpses are all emerging from a random cemetery.

I first thought it was the spirits of warriors who died a particularly gruesome death or the usual spirits who couldn't accept their death. If *any* dead person is game for resurrection, that could mean complete chaos in certain areas. After the 100 year war, the constant mercenary, the plague that spread through Midland, the Kushan war and all the unrelentless crap that you expect in a medieval world, the corpse toll should be in the thousands.
Yeah as Aaz pointed out, spirits can possess bodies, but my point was more that I wonder if the death --> spirit --> afterlife/vortex cycle will be disrupted now.
Title: Re: Episode 308
Post by: Aazealh on October 16, 2009, 09:37:11 PM
The thread's pretty much dead so I figured I'd post this for fun...

(http://aazealh.net/Divers/SeaMonster.jpg) (http://aazealh.net/Divers/Adon-helmet01.jpg) (http://aazealh.net/Divers/Adon-helmet02.jpg)

Adon revival! :guts:
Title: Re: Episode 308
Post by: Oburi on October 16, 2009, 10:08:42 PM
lol awesome! Do you think Miura designed Adons helmet with the sea creature in mind or is it just a coincidence? And a follow up question - how the hell did you think of that Aaz?
Title: Re: Episode 308
Post by: Rhombaad on October 17, 2009, 04:25:25 AM
lol awesome! Do you think Miura designed Adons helmet with the sea creature in mind or is it just a coincidence? And a follow up question - how the hell did you think of that Aaz?

This is Aaz we're talking about. Have you seen the history of Guts' bag? The man is into details. :badbone:
Title: Re: Episode 308
Post by: Oburi on October 17, 2009, 05:05:45 AM
This is Aaz we're talking about. Have you seen the history of Guts' bag? The man is into details. :badbone:

Ha ha QFT.
Title: Re: Episode 308
Post by: Jaze1618 on October 17, 2009, 07:25:58 AM
Speaking of which, does anyone know where that thread can still be found? I can't find it in a search for "history of guts' bag" and I vaguely remember it from a long time ago. Reminiscing sounds fun.
Title: Re: Episode 308
Post by: Aazealh on October 17, 2009, 08:44:38 AM
lol awesome! Do you think Miura designed Adons helmet with the sea creature in mind or is it just a coincidence?

His helmet and pauldrons were clearly designed after a creature of that kind. Notice how the plume imitates a jet of water too.

And a follow up question - how the hell did you think of that Aaz?

If only you knew all the stuff I think of and that I never post. :slan:

This is Aaz we're talking about. Have you seen the history of Guts' bag? The man is into details. :badbone:

Give credit where credit is due! The history of Guts' bag was by Griff. I did other bag-related posts, but not that particular one.

Speaking of which, does anyone know where that thread can still be found? I can't find it in a search for "history of guts' bag" and I vaguely remember it from a long time ago. Reminiscing sounds fun.

A BRIEF HISTORY OF GUTS' BAG (http://www.skullknight.net/forum/index.php?topic=3249.msg67661#msg67661)

And two other bag posts, by me this time:

Sacrilege! Guts actually has carried (and still does) numerous bags in the manga, some of which have specific roles. The bag containing the mini-bombs that Rickert gives him in volume 17 is this one (http://aazealh.net/Divers/Bag-Bombs.jpg). It has nothing to do with the bag Guts stores his crossbow in, and it's also different from the pouch he takes a bomb from in volume 19. You can see the different bags he always carries by clicking here (http://aazealh.net/Divers/Bag-Various.jpg). He actually discards the bag Rickert gave him shortly before using the mini-grenades for the first time, that's why he takes them from another one (bag 3, see below).

He gets two new bags (http://aazealh.net/Divers/Bag-New.jpg) (and Casca a pouch) when returning to Godot's place in volume 22, that later evolve into the bags "Griffith No More!" wrote the history of (http://www.skullknight.net/yabbse/index.php?topic=3249.msg67661#msg67661) (picture on the right).

I've numbered the bags Guts keeps when he fights so there would be no confusion, see this image (http://aazealh.net/Divers/Bag-numbered.jpg).

Bag 1 (more like a holster) is where he stores his crossbow, bag 2 is where he stores his arrows, bag 3 is where he stores the beherit, the bandages, the powder for the arm cannon, the mini-grenades, the throwing knives, etc (and accessorily it's where Puck chills at). Bag 4 is the mystery pouch (I don't remember seeing him using it off the top of my head), he could use it for anything (plenty of possibilities: tools to maintain his equipment: crossbow, artificial arm; grease for the knives and why not even the DS, etc).

Here are two shots (http://aazealh.net/Divers/Bag-Inside.jpg) of the inside of bag 3. Notice the pouch at the bottom of the bag in the upper picture, that could very well be the bombs, and that's after he gave some to Isidro.

Of course this is all from his post-Black Swordsman arc equipment, before that he had yet different ones. Bag 3 and 4 were already there (although looking slightly different), but bag 1 didn't exist since his crossbow was much bigger (didn't fold) and bag 2 was completely different.
Well in the first volumes it was drawn a bit differently yeah, plain white (in B&W) instead of crosshatched. That's just the result of Miura's artistic evolution IMO, since in the color illustrations he did back then the bag was already brown and looked pretty much like it does today. When Guts receives his equipment in volume 14, before setting off for his revenge, that bag is also crosshatched. See these pictures for reference:

- Black Swordsman arc, first volumes. (http://aazealh.net/Divers/Bag-Black_Swordsman.jpg)
- Black Swordsman arc, first volumes (in color). (http://aazealh.net/Divers/Bag-Black_Swordsman-color.jpg)
- The end of the Golden Age, volume 14. (http://aazealh.net/Divers/Bag-Volume14.jpg)

I included images of the other bags just so that nothing is left out. We could always imagine that he changed bags several times and that we just didn't see it happen, but it's pretty evident to me that it's simply a matter of artistic choices (still talking about bag 3 and 4, there's no doubt he changed bag 2).

To think some people say we take Berserk too seriously here at SK.net... Why would they think that?! :SK:
Title: Re: Episode 308
Post by: Rhombaad on October 17, 2009, 04:52:54 PM
Give credit where credit is due! The history of Guts' bag was by Griff. I did other bag-related posts, but not that particular one.

Whoops, my bad! Sorry, Griff! :griffnotevil:
Title: Re: Episode 308
Post by: Oburi on October 17, 2009, 05:16:52 PM
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To think some people say we take Berserk too seriously here at SK.net... Why would they think that?!

You know I find that type of trivia to be some of the more interesting stuff.

Does anyone else think that this may be the final story arc? Considering how long the last arc was and Miura's answer in our letter about the length of the series, I could see this being the beginning of the final arc.
Title: Re: Episode 308
Post by: Aazealh on October 17, 2009, 07:38:16 PM
You know I find that type of trivia to be some of the more interesting stuff.

But of course. Don't be mistaken, anyone who thinks we take Berserk too seriously is wrong. It's very serious business. :azan:

Does anyone else think that this may be the final story arc? Considering how long the last arc was and Miura's answer in our letter about the length of the series, I could see this being the beginning of the final arc.

My original guess was second to last, but that depends on the length. Miura could make the Fantasia arc extra long like he could make it shorter than the Millennium Falcon arc.
Title: Re: Episode 308
Post by: Xem on October 18, 2009, 03:35:50 AM
Call me shortsighted but I think we have at least 2 more arc's left in the story.

In my mind, the story has just started, how can you even begin to think of the end at this point.
Title: Re: Episode 308
Post by: berserkfan on October 18, 2009, 05:56:41 AM
since it just says "next chapter coming soon at the end" does this mean there going to be another break or has the next chapter been announced yet??
Title: Re: Episode 308
Post by: Rhombaad on October 18, 2009, 06:16:27 AM
since it just says "next chapter coming soon at the end" does this mean there going to be another break or has the next chapter been announced yet??

A. It's "episode" not "chapter."

B. The next episode comes out on 10/23/09

C. Use the search function for future questions. You would have found your answer earlier in this thread.
Title: Re: Episode 308
Post by: Aazealh on October 18, 2009, 12:48:59 PM
Call me shortsighted but I think we have at least 2 more arc's left in the story.

In my mind, the story has just started, how can you even begin to think of the end at this point.

Like I said, it all depends on the arc's length. What if Fantasia goes on for 15+ volumes? Of course it could also be short, which is why the hypothetical number of arcs left is not very significant in regard to the number of volumes left.
Title: Re: Episode 308
Post by: HITReza on October 20, 2009, 05:58:00 AM
Call me shortsighted but I think we have at least 2 more arc's left in the story.

In my mind, the story has just started, how can you even begin to think of the end at this point.

i hope its more than 2 arcs :)
Title: Re: Episode 308
Post by: Gobolatula on October 20, 2009, 06:22:31 AM
Well, in my opinion, there's a whole lot left to be covered:

ELF ISLAND:
-Possible trials while on Skelling while trying to gain favor with King Hanafubuku
-Casca's healing
-Possible enhancements for Guts
-Possibility of Schierke learning new advanced magic
-Farnese learning more magic from Schierke
-Guts and Casca "meeting each other again" and coming to terms with the current situation at hand
-Isidro learning more from Azan
-Possibility of Skull Knight returning to give Guts some new news.
-Contemplation of Revenge VS Casca's well-being (what he wants won't necessarily be what she wants)
-Further encounters with astral creatures

GENERAL.
-Guts' and Casca's child being part of Femto's fleshly form.
-Griffith's further conquests now that he is pretty much king.
-The Age of Darkness
-Skull Knight VS The God Hand
-The God Hand's role in this new world.
-Roderick's further courtship of Farnese
-Guts' inner battle with the beast of darkness
-The incredibly tough apostles of the Neo Band of the Falcon (Rakshas, Irvine, Zodd, Locus, Grunbeld)...
-Guts possibly coming to terms with just WHY he must fight (possibly to save the world)
-Guts' fight with Femto

...and much more.

There's a whole hell of a lot more story to be told, in my opinion.
Title: Re: Episode 308
Post by: Oburi on October 20, 2009, 06:55:07 AM
Yea there is a LOT more story but we're talking about arcs, which are the climatic moments that separate different sections of the story. Keep in mind that even if this is the final arc, it could go on for something like 7 or 8 years, like the previous arc. Either way, it may not be the final Arc of the story but it will deff signal that end draws near given how much we have left of the series and how much material can be covered in an Arc. Its not a bad thing, its just food for thought. I'm not trying to be a downer by talking about "final arcs", if anything it will make the part of the story we are at now all the more epic.

In the end, who really knows? Its anyones guess, just food for thought.
Title: Re: Episode 308
Post by: Dani on October 20, 2009, 09:23:23 AM
-Possibility of Skull Knight returning to give Guts some new news.

"Guts, you know how horrible the world is?"

"Yeah"

"Well, I kind of made it worse... =\ "
Title: Re: Episode 308
Post by: Aazealh on October 20, 2009, 12:33:34 PM
we're talking about arcs, which are the climatic moments that separate different sections of the story.

No, what we call an "arc" literally is a section of the story. It's not just about climactic moments.

Either way, it may not be the final Arc of the story but it will deff signal that end draws near given how much we have left of the series and how much material can be covered in an Arc.

I don't think we should be too confident about what's left of the series. Saying "the end draws near" is as extreme as saying "the story is just beginning". Simply said, we're the middle of the series. Closer to the end than to the beginning according to the author's current estimation (which he warned should not be taken as a word of law even as he delivered it), but still pretty much in the middle.