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Title: Episode 319
Post by: Aazealh on March 22, 2011, 08:02:33 PM
Title: 海神① - Sea God (1)





Berserk will be back on April 8th, in YA #8. :slan:

There'll be a color page, and the last 4 episodes will be republished as well to provide a quick refresher course.
Title: Re: Episode 319
Post by: IncantatioN on March 22, 2011, 08:25:30 PM
About time ... *WHOA* ... about time indeed. Hopefully we get to catch a glimpse of the Sea God.
Title: Re: Episode 319
Post by: D-Scape on March 22, 2011, 08:32:00 PM
And so the world start spinning again...  :serpico:
Title: Re: Episode 319
Post by: Staralfur on March 22, 2011, 08:43:34 PM
Thank you for the good news!
Now I can't wait to see the Sea God... :ubik:
Title: Re: Episode 319
Post by: Señor Caudillo on March 22, 2011, 08:48:16 PM
Huzzah!!!  :guts:
Title: Re: Episode 319
Post by: Truder on March 22, 2011, 08:59:20 PM
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Title: Re: Episode 319
Post by: Aphasia on March 22, 2011, 10:01:08 PM
Freakin Yeah!!! What great news! :isidro:

The anticipation of finding out what the Sea God looks like is driving me nuts.
Title: Re: Episode 319
Post by: TheBranded1 on March 22, 2011, 11:03:06 PM

Thanks for the info Aaz! Countdown begins................................NOW!
Title: Re: Episode 319
Post by: Turkitage on March 23, 2011, 01:01:35 AM
!
Title: Re: Episode 319
Post by: Rhombaad on March 23, 2011, 02:36:31 AM
Sweet! Thanks for the happy news, Aazealh!
Title: Re: Episode 319
Post by: Griffith on March 23, 2011, 08:30:07 AM
I'm pleasantly surprised by this sudden return to normalcy. :griffnotevil:
Title: Re: Episode 319
Post by: Infinte on March 23, 2011, 01:01:55 PM
 :isidro: Fo real. Too excited can't describe it  :ubik:
Title: Re: Episode 319
Post by: voodoo_sh on March 23, 2011, 05:33:19 PM
Very nice! I hope we'll see Sea God this time for sure
Title: Re: Episode 319
Post by: m on March 23, 2011, 05:51:37 PM

Excellent news!  :ubik:

There'll be a color page, and the last 4 episodes will be republished as well to provide a quick refresher course.

Has something like this been done before? I'm wondering if we can go crazy and interpret this as a sign of a string of uninterrupted episodes coming up. That would simply be fantastic.
Title: Re: Episode 319
Post by: Aazealh on March 23, 2011, 06:15:04 PM
Has something like this been done before? I'm wondering if we can go crazy and interpret this as a sign of a string of uninterrupted episodes coming up. That would simply be fantastic.

Republishing past episodes after a break has been done before. There's definitely a string of at least a few uninterrupted episodes coming up, but that's just the usual.
Title: Re: Episode 319
Post by: Skeleton on March 23, 2011, 08:49:46 PM
Berserk will be back on April 8th, in YA #8. :slan:

There'll be a color page, and the last 4 episodes will be republished as well to provide a quick refresher course.

This is the best news I've heard in a while!   I feel like I've found an Evian vending machine after wandering through the desert for months.  I'm infinitely happier and rejuvenated now. :ubik:
Title: Re: Episode 319
Post by: Jesterhead on March 23, 2011, 10:17:51 PM
Seriously can't wait to see the new episode!  :guts:
Title: Re: Episode 319
Post by: Infinte on March 23, 2011, 11:36:44 PM
Will there be any news about the new Berserk movie at the Hakusensha issue coming at the 8th April?
Title: Re: Episode 319
Post by: Aazealh on March 24, 2011, 09:53:26 AM
Will there be any news about the new Berserk movie at the Hakusensha issue coming at the 8th April?

Maybe, but nothing's been announced so far.

For those who care, the cover (http://www.younganimal.com/magazine/img/1108_left.jpg) is up on the official website.
Title: Re: Episode 319
Post by: Señor Caudillo on March 24, 2011, 12:28:40 PM
I wonder though, if whether or not the recent tragedies in Japan might have had any creative impact on Miura and Young Animal. Certainly it would be assuring to know if Miura had to make any last minute changes to the artwork/dialog of 319 or any other upcoming episodes that he's probably working on right now, in order not to be deemed insensitive to the earthquake/tsunami victims and their families.
But on a more positive note, who's willing to bet that the episode 319 will simply be titled "Sea God"?  :SK:  
 
Title: Re: Episode 319
Post by: Aphasia on March 24, 2011, 01:16:18 PM
I wonder though, if whether or not the recent tragedies in Japan might have had any creative impact on Miura and Young Animal. Certainly it would be assuring to know if Miura had to make any last minute changes to the artwork/dialog of 319 or any other upcoming episodes that he's probably working on right now, in order not to be deemed insensitive to the earthquake/tsunami victims and their families.

I wouldn't doubt the events will have a creative impact on Miura.  The changes to this upcoming episode would probably be minimal (he's probably already had it written and who knows how much is already finished)

The island has become uninhabited since all the villagers were turned into sea cucumber beasts.  The ship is also currently under the protection of Farnese.  I guess it's possible that some of the content would need to be tweaked, but it's a bit of a stretch.  With the focus on Guts and his upcoming battle, the potential for offensive material seems pretty low. 
Title: Re: Episode 319
Post by: Aazealh on March 24, 2011, 01:20:34 PM
I wonder though, if whether or not the recent tragedies in Japan might have had any creative impact on Miura and Young Animal. Certainly it would be assuring to know if Miura had to make any last minute changes to the artwork/dialog of 319 or any other upcoming episodes that he's probably working on right now, in order not to be deemed insensitive to the earthquake/tsunami victims and their families.

A creative impact? Maybe. Wouldn't be the first time it happened (the tragic events in Rwanda had inspired him back then). But it's not like tsunami weren't already a part of Japan's history. I mean there's a reason we're using a Japanese word in the first place. And I really don't believe Miura would compromise his artistic integrity for any reason whatsoever, so whatever changes might hypothetically take place wouldn't matter much.

As for modifying the upcoming episodes... I'm not sure it'd even be necessary. Everybody on the island is already dead. The Sea God's in a cave. Even if the island were to sink under the waves, it wouldn't be that evocative of what happened in Japan. At least not any more than anything related to a "sea god" is going to be, and that's inevitable at this point. Lastly, and I know it's kind of a stretch, but it might be somewhat cathartic for some people to see Guts fighting a "sea god" after that.
Title: Re: Episode 319
Post by: Oburi on March 26, 2011, 02:05:44 PM
This news is literally the only reason I wake up in the morning.
Title: Re: Episode 319
Post by: Death May Die on March 26, 2011, 02:29:28 PM
*Streches

Ah, hibernation is almost over!  :beast:
Title: Re: Episode 319
Post by: Eluvei on March 26, 2011, 03:54:54 PM
Yessssssss! Color page!!!
Title: Re: Episode 319
Post by: Señor Caudillo on March 26, 2011, 04:39:12 PM
*Streches

Ah, hibernation is almost over!  :beast:

Yep, just like any other Berserk 19-weeker that we've pulled through  :serpico:
Title: Re: Episode 319
Post by: Skull Knight on March 31, 2011, 05:12:33 PM
I went to order this issue of Young Animal only to realize Sasuga Books no longer exists!  :judo: Can anyone tell me a good alternative for ordering these magazines in the U.S. other than Yahoo Auctions Japan that isn't going to price gouge me?
Title: Re: Episode 319
Post by: Señor Caudillo on March 31, 2011, 07:35:11 PM
I went to order this issue of Young Animal only to realize Sasuga Books no longer exists!  :judo: Can anyone tell me a good alternative for ordering these magazines in the U.S. other than Yahoo Auctions Japan that isn't going to price gouge me?

Yes, my friend you can  :griffnotevil:

http://www.nippon-export.com/catalog/product_info.php?products_id=29772

Since Sasuga going belly up last year, I've been using Nippon Exports to get my YA subscription as well as the Berserk tankobon delivered to me.
For more info on subscribing magazines
http://www.nippon-export.com/faq/subscription
Title: Re: Episode 319
Post by: Aazealh on April 05, 2011, 08:17:57 AM
Now how's that for a sea monster!! :guts:


The Boss says "Welcome to our home".
He repeats again that Guts has only fought with the Sea God's beard so far.
Guts replies "Let's get into that big mouth".

In the lower left panel we can see someone (Guts?) saying "our target(?) is only that one (mouth)" and the boss says "Kill them, Geso!". You'll remember that "geso" is a specific word referring to the tentacles from the translation of episode 314.
Title: Re: Episode 319
Post by: Rus on April 05, 2011, 08:54:58 AM
WOW
Thanks Aaz!! Looks wonderful, i really like the panel that shows Guts talking to Schierke.
The sea god looks enormous, i bet Miura's going to show us a huge fight. Nice to see that the Pirate boss is back  :carcus:
Title: Re: Episode 319
Post by: Aazealh on April 05, 2011, 09:03:14 AM
The sea god looks enormous, i bet Miura's going to show us a huge fight.

Hell yeah, thing's really not fucking around. It's got teeth the size of hills. :ganishka:
Title: Re: Episode 319
Post by: slan69 on April 05, 2011, 09:16:38 AM
Thanks a bunch Aaz! The sea god sure is huge, it reminds me of the Malboro monster from Final Fantasy, only much larger and far more deadly. :zodd:
Title: Re: Episode 319
Post by: Skeleton on April 05, 2011, 10:23:42 AM
Wow!  That's my kind of sea god!  :ubik:

Man, that statue of the god in the village was really accurate (toothy maw aside), eh?

So Guts' goal is to attack the god from the inside out?  That's certainly a better idea than trying to attack it from the outside (y'know, monstrous tentacles attacking him and all that).

Also, it's interesting to see that the sea slugs are "healed" now, as far as I can tell.  Granted, they might just be ones that Guts didn't fight on the surface of the island though. And is it just me or does the Captain look different now?  It looks kind of like he's looking less and less like a transformed human and more and more like a vaguely human-shaped tentacle.  But that probably is because he's kind of in the background/distance instead of being focused on.

Anyways, here's hoping we get to see the god in its entirety.  :guts:
Title: Re: Episode 319
Post by: Aazealh on April 05, 2011, 10:38:59 AM
So Guts' goal is to attack the god from the inside out?  That's certainly a better idea than trying to attack it from the outside (y'know, monstrous tentacles attacking him and all that).

Well given the size of the thing I'm not sure he even has a choice. We don't even know if it has eyes or an external weak point of some sort. Besides, it worked on the Makara so far. :carcus: Still, I wonder how they'll kill it (if they can truly kill it for good). Striking at the "brain" or heart if it has any, I guess. But with a creature like that, who knows what the best attack plan would be... Schierke's insight will come in handy for sure.

Also, it's interesting to see that the sea slugs are "healed" now, as far as I can tell.  Granted, they might just be ones that Guts didn't fight on the surface of the island though.

Yeah, I mean look at how many there seems to be... The Sea God's not kidding anymore. And definitely deserves its title.

And is it just me or does the Captain look different now?  It looks kind of like he's looking less and less like a transformed human and more and more like a vaguely human-shaped tentacle.  But that probably is because he's kind of in the background/distance instead of being focused on.

Yeah, the perspective is key here, as well as the fact that they're in a comical situation and not really looking sinister.
Title: Re: Episode 319
Post by: Gobolatula on April 05, 2011, 12:17:12 PM
How in the fuck is Guts going to kill that?

and the boss says "Kill them, Geso!". You'll remember that "geso" is a specific word referring to the tentacles from the translation of episode 314.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s5BXTMEcCv4
Title: Re: Episode 319
Post by: Rhombaad on April 05, 2011, 02:13:19 PM
Whoa! That thing is bad ass. I applaud Guts' decision to attack it from the inside out. He wouldn't stand much of a chance fighting that thing on the outside, even with the Berserk's Armor. I wonder what it'll look like on the inside? I'm expecting something a little different than the internal structure of a normal animal. It is a god, afterall.

The color page looks awesome, too (what we can see of it, anyway). I'm so excited for Friday! :guts:
Title: Re: Episode 319
Post by: Walter on April 05, 2011, 02:45:00 PM
Yeah sure Guts, HOP ON IN! (http://skullknight.net/images/teeth2.gif)
Title: Re: Episode 319
Post by: Gaahl on April 05, 2011, 02:53:21 PM
I wonder what it'll look like on the inside? I'm expecting something a little different than the internal structure of a normal animal. It is a god, afterall.

Maybe it'll look like this?
(http://i.imgur.com/1UICx.jpg) (http://imgur.com/1UICx)
 :schnoz:

Jokes aside, i don't even try to imagine the inside of this thing. The inside of an Apostle is (has been?) connected to the astral world, so what about the inside of an actual astral being? Let alone a god? There was nothing special about the ogres and trolls, but they don't really compare.
Title: Re: Episode 319
Post by: IncantatioN on April 05, 2011, 02:55:39 PM
Holy shit ... *goosebumps*

About the size of the monsters teeth, in the lower panels it looks like they're prolly 20 feet tall/ high unless the monster is further off (from the monster ship) in those pictures and it just looks smaller because of the distance (maybe?).
Title: Re: Episode 319
Post by: TheBranded1 on April 05, 2011, 03:21:48 PM

Thank you Aaz. 
! Just another epic battle for Guts and company. When he does make it insde the sea god, if he was fighting the tentalces outside, can't imagine what can be inside.
Title: Re: Episode 319
Post by: Aazealh on April 05, 2011, 04:39:10 PM
Jokes aside, i don't even try to imagine the inside of this thing. The inside of an Apostle is (has been?) connected to the astral world, so what about the inside of an actual astral being? Let alone a god? There was nothing special about the ogres and trolls, but they don't really compare.

Well it's all a matter of context really, I mean the Snake Baron's innards or even Rochine's didn't do anything special. It's the being itself that is connected on the astral level (and when the spirit departs, "normal" flesh is left behind). In that regard (but also due to sheer scale), despite the fact that the worlds have merged, the Sea God's entrails might hold very interesting things for us to see (like a scenery :magni:); both the medieval imagery of the "mouth of hell" and the biblical story of Jonah and the whale come to mind.
Title: Re: Episode 319
Post by: Walter on April 05, 2011, 04:59:00 PM
Well it's all a matter of context really, I mean the Snake Baron's innards or even Rochine's didn't do anything special. It's the being itself that is connected on the astral level (and when the spirit departs, "normal" flesh is left behind). In that regard (but also due to sheer scale), despite the fact that the worlds have merged, the Sea God's entrails might hold very interesting things for us to see (like a scenery :magni:); both the medieval imagery of the "mouth of hell" and the biblical story of Jonah and the whale come to mind.
Scenery like, say stuff from 1,000 years ago? How about 10,000 years?  :isidro:

I don't think we can compare how apostles and astral beings like the Sea God work. An apostle is somewhat anomalous to the natural order, created with an evil ceremony. Whereas the sea god is an astral being invited into this world -- no tricks necessary.
Title: Re: Episode 319
Post by: Aazealh on April 05, 2011, 06:34:23 PM
Now this is fucking interesting. Ancient statues? Holy shit I need to know more! MORE! And inside its mouth... The astral world? Or is that just a graphic effect? Anyway, Guts compares the feeling of the cave to when he visited the Qliphoth!

Needless to say, the title is "Sea God (1)".

Miura's comment is of course about the recent catastrophes in Japan. A translation would be: "Apocalyptic events should only happen in stories".
Title: Re: Episode 319
Post by: Walter on April 05, 2011, 06:36:36 PM
The freakin thing's bigger than the cave!  :isidro: We're gonna need a bigger emoticon... (http://skullknight.net/images/teeth2.gif)

Also, that awesome statue... the former Sea God, dethroned and forgotten?
Title: Re: Episode 319
Post by: Aazealh on April 05, 2011, 06:41:43 PM
Also, that awesome statue... the former Sea God, dethroned and forgotten?

"Awesome" is the only word my mind is able to process right now. We'll have to get more lore on this. I won't tolerate it otherwise.
Title: Re: Episode 319
Post by: Vampire_Hunter_Bob on April 05, 2011, 06:54:11 PM
Now this is fucking interesting. Ancient statues? Holy shit I need to know more! MORE!
This. I cannot wait to find out what the hell happened with the statue or who it is of.

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And inside its mouth... The astral world? Or is that just a graphic effect? Anyway, Guts compares the feeling of the cave to when he visited the Qliphoth!
My first thought was the astral world, but looking at it again, it looks like the roof of the Sea God's mouth.

Edit: I really don't know how I feel about the inside of the mouth. There is something Miura is trying to hide from us seeing, so it could be something amazing or some Astral world.
Title: Re: Episode 319
Post by: Dar Klink on April 05, 2011, 06:55:31 PM
 :isidro: Those statues!  I cannot wait to the rest of this episode, I wonder if Schierke will give any insight into what this ancient statue could be of. Perhaps it is related to Isma's people?
Title: Re: Episode 319
Post by: Walter on April 05, 2011, 07:04:49 PM
Even with the long-awaited appearance of the Sea God, it's that statue that has everyone's attention. Mine included.  :ubik:

:isidro: Those statues!  I cannot wait to the rest of this episode, I wonder if Schierke will give any insight into what this ancient statue could be of. Perhaps it is related to Isma's people?
My first thought was the leader of the merrows, or maybe something that predated the Sea God we're seeing now. If that's the case, it falls in line with Isma's story about the struggle between these two creatures.

Another interesting thing, the path Guts is walking on, when he sees the statue looks man-made to me. It's curved and looks constructed. I wonder if that's all part of the statue as well.
Title: Re: Episode 319
Post by: Truder on April 05, 2011, 07:16:24 PM
its king Triton
(http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3025/2495866007_2ec3c6d854.jpg)

and his merrow people
(http://disneyheaven.com/images/DisneyPrincesses/Ariel/FanArt/KingTritonNDaughters.jpg)

Title: Re: Episode 319
Post by: Ramen4ever on April 05, 2011, 07:22:00 PM
Fuck me... :isidro:
Title: Re: Episode 319
Post by: Staralfur on April 05, 2011, 07:28:17 PM
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its king Triton

Man, I was thinking the same thing... :farnese:

Well, King Triton definitely stole Poseidon's look anyways, right?

Jokes aside, I am very excited about all this! Kinda reminds me of volume 10 and the glimpse we got of Gaiseric's city at the bottom of the tower.
Title: Re: Episode 319
Post by: Aazealh on April 05, 2011, 07:30:31 PM
Well, King Triton definitely stole Poseidon's look anyways, right?

No shit. :schierke:

Kinda reminds me of volume 10 and the glimpse we got of Gaiseric's city at the bottom of the tower.

Yeah, same feeling really. Let's just hope we get answers this time! :void:
Title: Re: Episode 319
Post by: Infinte on April 05, 2011, 08:13:14 PM
OH SHIT the sea god looks awesome :guts:.

Sorry Cthulu seems you're going to have some competition this time :carcus:.
Title: Re: Episode 319
Post by: Walter on April 05, 2011, 09:20:46 PM
Love the avatar change btw Aaz. That frame answers the question I posed last year, "What might a Sea God say?"


(http://skullknight.net/images/teeth3.jpg)
:guts: :schierke:


"DOGOOOAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA"



          
Title: Re: Episode 319
Post by: Griffith on April 05, 2011, 09:42:21 PM
I don't think we can compare how apostles and astral beings like the Sea God work. An apostle is somewhat anomalous to the natural order, created with an evil ceremony. Whereas the sea god is an astral being invited into this world -- no tricks necessary.

I don't think we can properly compare them because we don't understand the intricacies of how they're different and how they're similar, not the other way around. Despite their clear differences, both may fall into some greater natural order, including evil. Defining what's "natural" and what's not is even more problematic in this new world. On that front, couldn't the merging of the worlds and the (re)appearance of creatures like the Sea God arguably be looked at as the result of one big evil ceremony, contrived and executed by God Hand? Perhaps that defines this world now more than anything else. Or, perhaps not. :griffnotevil:

Now this is fucking interesting. Ancient statues? Holy shit I need to know more! MORE! And inside its mouth... The astral world? Or is that just a graphic effect? Anyway, Guts compares the feeling of the cave to when he visited the Qliphoth!

I'm glad that's mentioned explicitly as it certainly looks that way (your April fool's was prophetic in its own way =). Anyway, as cool as the hugeness of the Sea God is (a giant mouth with tentacles, or is the rest just too big to see!), like others I'm most fascinated by the fallen statue and the potential behind it.

Miura's comment is of course about the recent catastrophes in Japan. A translation would be: "Apocalyptic events should only happen in stories".

(http://www.skullknight.net/forum/Smileys/Vagabond/void.gif)

The freakin thing's bigger than the cave!

I'm still hoping it's basically the base of the island. :guts:

Also, that awesome statue... the former Sea God, dethroned and forgotten?

Yeah, a site of worship for the true Sea God, a spirit Schierke could contact for assistance like in Enoch? It makes me wonder about the credentials of the fellow were seeing. Is he the true face of the Sea God, or just the ultimate Sea Monster that displaced him?
Title: Re: Episode 319
Post by: Death May Die on April 05, 2011, 10:32:59 PM
oh, no I'm not falling for this one again!  :iva:

-Looks freaking great!

Reminds me of a Marlboro kinda:
(http://www.ffcompendium.com/EspMon/marlboro7-b.jpg)
Title: Re: Episode 319
Post by: Griffith on April 05, 2011, 10:46:42 PM
-Looks freaking great!

Reminds me of a Marlboro kinda:
http://www.ffcompendium.com/EspMon/marlboro7-b.jpg

Looks like Miura is once again taking his inspiration from Final Fantasy VII...

(http://www.skullknight.net/griffith/seagodmarlboro.jpg)

 :troll:

Also, I meant to say so after Slan69 first mentioned it, but on a personal note, I hated that fucking thing! Kill 'em for me, Guts! :guts:
Title: Re: Episode 319
Post by: Turkitage on April 06, 2011, 12:03:22 AM
oh god.. this is too freakin exciting! Pretty sure I'm going to be in the chat room this Friday after work!! Mr. 1996, terminator - you guys in??

Looks like Miura is once again taking his inspiration from Final Fantasy VII... :troll:

 :ganishka: I laughed pretty hard when I saw that. Nice job.
Title: Re: Episode 319
Post by: jackson_hurley on April 06, 2011, 12:40:20 AM
Awesome! I like how (so far from what we've seen) the tentacles looks like the "beard" of the sea god. On another note, do you think it's bigger then Ganishka's last form before he turned out a tree?

I am also curious to know what the 2 pirates are saying to make the boss hang them like that!
Title: Re: Episode 319
Post by: Walter on April 06, 2011, 01:14:33 AM
Awesome! I like how (so far from what we've seen) the tentacles looks like the "beard" of the sea god.
And the pirates say as such in this ep, as Aaz said earlier in the thread.

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On another note, do you think it's bigger then Ganishka's last form before he turned out a tree?
No, I don't. But how could we possibly have a serious basis for comparison?
Title: Re: Episode 319
Post by: jackson_hurley on April 06, 2011, 01:20:51 AM
And the pirates say as such in this ep, as Aaz said earlier in the thread.
No, I don't. But how could we possibly have a serious basis for comparison?

I didn't noticed the beard part in aaz's post. It must have been the excitement!  :carcus:

But to be precised, i was talking about the 2 idiots behind the boss.
Title: Re: Episode 319
Post by: Señor Caudillo on April 06, 2011, 02:42:10 AM
Now this is fucking interesting. Ancient statues? Holy shit I need to know more! MORE! And inside its mouth... The astral world? Or is that just a graphic effect? Anyway, Guts compares the feeling of the cave to when he visited the Qliphoth!

Qliphoth, hmmm?  :slan:  
I do remember pointing out how Sea God's power may be similar to that of an individual member of God Hand, based on the amount of blood shed by Guts' brand while he was on his way into the cave. And considering how Slan in her physical form had inflicted quite a number to both the body and soul of Guts, it seems like he's really in for a long haul with Sea God. And who knows,this fight may actually result in such severe mental and physical damage to Guts, that he himself might require King Hanafubuku's healing.  

Needless to say, the title is "Sea God (1)".

Needless to say, my guessing on the episode's name actually came true  :judo:

But on a more positive note, who's willing to bet that the episode 319 will simply be titled "Sea God"?    




Anyways Aaz, I just wanted to say thanks so much for putting up the Sea God preview for us. Just looking at that damn thing's maw actually gave me a scare and sent chills down my spine, which is honestly something I haven't experienced in several years now with Berserk. After 9 years of being a fan, just when I thought I'd gotten desensitized enough and used to all the monsters and gore, along comes this... I love it!!  :guts:  
Title: Re: Episode 319
Post by: Turkitage on April 06, 2011, 04:06:05 AM
And who knows,this fight may actually result in such severe mental and physical damage to Guts, that he himself might require King Hanafubuku's healing.  

Yeah, I can see that as well. The team taking beaten up Guts and Casca in for healing. Though, part of me just wants to see Guts just rip it to shreds with ease.
Title: Re: Episode 319
Post by: Walter on April 06, 2011, 04:10:17 AM
I do remember pointing out how Sea God's power may be similar to that of an individual member of God Hand, based on the amount of blood shed by Guts' brand while he was on his way into the cave. And considering how Slan in her physical form had inflicted quite a number to both the body and soul of Guts, it seems like he's really in for a long haul with Sea God.
I think it's folly to attempt to quantify the combative strength of something based on the amount of blood Guts has lost through his brand. Based on your estimations, what's its power level?  :troll:

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...such severe mental and physical damage to Guts, that he himself might require King Hanafubuku's healing. 
Don't forget, Guts already needs a strong healer's power to mend the spiritual wounds given to him by Slan. So regardless of his cumulative condition after this fight, Guts has needed some serious help for a while now. I have to say though, I always imagined they'd arrive at Elfhelm with Guts essentially on his last legs, on a stretcher of some kind, desperately in need of help at that moment. A "WE DEMAND AN AUDIENCE," kind of situation.

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Needless to say, my guessing on the episode's name actually came true  :judo:
Yeah, quite a longshot you took there.  :carcus:

Though, part of me just wants to see Guts just rip it to shreds with ease.
Could be, but since this is just Sea God (1), I'm kinda doubting there will be a knockout in Round 1.
Title: Re: Episode 319
Post by: Truder on April 06, 2011, 04:37:28 AM
I have to say though, I always imagined they'd arrive at Elfhelm with Guts essentially on his last legs, on a stretcher of some kind, desperately in need of help at that moment. A "WE DEMAND AN AUDIENCE," kind of situation.

I'm expecting Elfhelm to be in chaos, If Griffith sent a small platoon to kill one old witch, then I am pretty sure he would not ignore a whole island filled with magical being who can be threat to him as well.

Unless it turns out that the Elf King is a harmless bug to Griffith.
Title: Re: Episode 319
Post by: Walter on April 06, 2011, 04:55:46 AM
I'm expecting Elfhelm to be in chaos, If Griffith sent a small platoon to kill one old witch, then I am pretty sure he would not ignore a whole island filled with magical being who can be threat to him as well.
Ah! The ELFHELM=DED Corollary of 2003! The events in the Berserk world have certainly broadened since this was originally proposed, but apparently this potentiality has stuck in some people's brains as the ultimate outcome in spite of the other events in the world. Griffith has a kingdom to rule. He just got his shiny new castle. Likewise, his apostles have their own shit to do, all of which is far, far away from the island of Skellig.

But let's walk with this possibility for a bit. What's the next step, then?  "Well shit, after coming all this way, everyone's dead. Turn the ship back around, Roddy!"  :schierke:
Title: Re: Episode 319
Post by: TheBranded1 on April 06, 2011, 07:42:11 AM
Since this seems to be the first part of who knows how many. It definitely has the room to make the sea god's insides into this unique world of it's own. I can only imagine a big pool of stomach acid, followed by monsters digesting the poor victims that were eaten. Maybe we'll see some merrow remains or someone still there. Isma's mom perhaps :carcus:
Title: Re: Episode 319
Post by: Proj2501 on April 06, 2011, 12:37:05 PM
And inside its mouth... The astral world?

I think that is by far the most interesting of the images we have here so far. I wish I was at home to compare that image to when Ganishka was split in twain.  :isidro:

Title: Re: Episode 319
Post by: Aphasia on April 06, 2011, 03:02:21 PM
Fuck tits.  You toy with our emotions so. :judo:

But this...is beautiful.  Look at that gaping maw.  The rows of teeth remind me of a shark.  

(http://i.imgur.com/IB5bh.jpg)

The observation about the inside of his mouth is intriguing.  That texture certainly looks familiar.  It has a very distinctive pattern that he's associated with the astral world quite some time.  And Guts wants to go...inside?  

Yet again I'm baffled by the drawings.  Miura somehow seems to one-up himself with every episode.  The composition of some of these panels is just awesome.  

Thanks very much for the preview. :void:
Title: Re: Episode 319
Post by: Chaos on April 06, 2011, 03:16:40 PM
Fuck tits.  You toy with our emotions so. :judo:

Look at that gaping maw.  The rows of teeth remind me of a shark.  



I was thinking of another creature, one who might not like the competition so much  :beast:

 :ganishka:

I'm excited to see how Guts does as a dental hygienist   :ubik:
Title: Re: Episode 319
Post by: Griffith on April 06, 2011, 03:18:34 PM
I think it's folly to attempt to quantify the combative strength of something based on the amount of blood Guts has lost through his brand. Based on your estimations, what's its power level?  :troll:

Isn't that basically what Miura uses it for though? :troll: "The evil is strong with this one!"

Don't forget, Guts already needs a strong healer's power to mend the spiritual wounds given to him by Slan. So regardless of his cumulative condition after this fight, Guts has needed some serious help for a while now. I have to say though, I always imagined they'd arrive at Elfhelm with Guts essentially on his last legs, on a stretcher of some kind, desperately in need of help at that moment. A "WE DEMAND AN AUDIENCE," kind of situation.

I'm tired of the false urgency of Guts' current cycle of ruin, rest, recovery; all in favor of Guts basically arriving in a half-zipped bodybag! :daiba: "Help us King of the Flower Storm, you're our only hope!"

I'm expecting Elfhelm to be in chaos, If Griffith sent a small platoon to kill one old witch, then I am pretty sure he would not ignore a whole island filled with magical being who can be threat to him as well.
Ah! The ELFHELM=DED Corollary of 2003! The events in the Berserk world have certainly broadened since this was originally proposed, but apparently this potentiality has stuck in some people's brains as the ultimate outcome in spite of the other events in the world. Griffith has a kingdom to rule. He just got his shiny new castle. Likewise, his apostles have their own shit to do, all of which is far, far away from the island of Skellig.

There will be no need for platoons or anything as dramatic as total destruction, Rakshas will have already quietly dispatched the population! (http://www.skullknight.net/forum/index.php?topic=12073.0) :rakshas: "It was as if a million voices cried out and were suddenly..." oh never mind.

Or, it's the next major story waypoint, already vested with tons of significance and expectations, and if Griffith decided to wage war on it, it wouldn't be off-camera or before Miura fully exploited the place's potential otherwise. So yeah, I too think it less likely that it will be smoldering before they get there, as compelling as that would be. Though, I wonder how the changes in the world have affected the place; more hydra attacks on the elf population than usual, a Sea God-type problem of their own?
Title: Re: Episode 319
Post by: IncantatioN on April 06, 2011, 04:09:26 PM
Heh ... doesn't the statue look like the eyes were bleeding ... but at the same time, the crack starts from the forehead. Coincidental?! I know I know, makes no sense because it's a statue!
Title: Re: Episode 319
Post by: Aazealh on April 06, 2011, 06:09:09 PM
Yeah, a site of worship for the true Sea God, a spirit Schierke could contact for assistance like in Enoch? It makes me wonder about the credentials of the fellow were seeing. Is he the true face of the Sea God, or just the ultimate Sea Monster that displaced him?

Indeed, it raises quite a few questions. I'm not sure it's needed to mention all the possibilities, but I'll certainly be looking forward to the answers. :guts:

Qliphoth, hmmm?  :slan:  
I do remember pointing out how Sea God's power may be similar to that of an individual member of God Hand, based on the amount of blood shed by Guts' brand while he was on his way into the cave.

And? What's the relation with the Qliphoth? Guts isn't referring to his meeting with Slan but to the atmosphere of the place. :schierke: Remember that Slan hadn't appeared yet when they first ventured in there, she surfaced later on. And like Walter said, the amount of bleeding from the Brand isn't much of an indicator for anything other than to say it's a big threat. Attempting to compare Slan's "power" to that of this gigantic monster is kind of pointless. They're both extremely powerful and dangerous, that much is easy to tell, but they're hardly comparable in nature.

And considering how Slan in her physical form had inflicted quite a number to both the body and soul of Guts, it seems like he's really in for a long haul with Sea God.

I'd like you to step back and think about that sentence of yours for a second. Is the amount of bleeding from the Brand really the biggest proof of the ordeal Guts is facing right now? Or is it the fact he's looking at a monstrous creature so big a whole city could fit in its mouth? A creature worthy of being called a god? A creature whose beard is composed of huge monsters whose own mouths are composed of yet other monsters who have individually been portrayed as serious foes for our hero without losing himself to the armor? Yeah. And on a side note, those entrails Slan possessed don't really qualify as being "her physical form".

King Hanafubuku

"Hanafubuku" isn't a name. 花吹雪く王 ("Hanabufuku Oh") is a phrase in Japanese that means "King of the Flower Storm". That's the king's title. Call him either that or the Elf King, but please don't use this half-assed non-translation. And I know it's how Dark Horse put it, but that's not an excuse! :miura:

Needless to say, my guessing on the episode's name actually came true  :judo:

Don't tell me you're seriously trying to brag about this. Almost makes me want to pull an old "Captain Obvious" image macro. And you didn't even call it perfectly, you missed the (1)!

Just looking at that damn thing's maw actually gave me a scare and sent chills down my spine, which is honestly something I haven't experienced in several years now with Berserk.

Really? Ganishka, Femto vs SK, Fantasia, Falconia, nothing?

If Griffith sent a small platoon to kill one old witch, then I am pretty sure he would not ignore a whole island filled with magical being who can be threat to him as well.

What's he going to do then, send his entire army there? How would they arrive before Guts et al.?

But let's walk with this possibility for a bit. What's the next step, then?  "Well shit, after coming all this way, everyone's dead. Turn the ship back around, Roddy!"  :schierke:

Yeah...

Though, I wonder how the changes in the world have affected the place; more hydra attacks on the elf population than usual, a Sea God-type problem of their own?

Yeah, that's a more interesting question. How they were (un)affected (after all, they were already in the astral world themselves, so the problem might rather come from humans), how they will be affected, and what they think of it.

It definitely has the room to make the sea god's insides into this unique world of it's own.

Of course. Guaranteed to be awesome. :guts:

But this...is beautiful.  Look at that gaping maw.  The rows of teeth remind me of a shark.

This is commented upon in the episode, since the pirates are somewhat affiliated with the animal (sailing on the "Captain Shark Rider", not to mention the boss' speeches).

Isn't that basically what Miura uses it for though? :troll: "The evil is strong with this one!"

Not exactly a precise indicator though.

Heh ... doesn't the statue look like the eyes were bleeding ...

No?
Title: Re: Episode 319
Post by: Turkitage on April 07, 2011, 03:39:11 PM
eeeeeeeeeeekkkk Friday hurry the heck up!!!!! more excited about this friday than rebecca black.
Title: Re: Episode 319
Post by: Rus on April 07, 2011, 03:46:19 PM
I was just thinking that i'd rather read 20 pages of Berserk than 20 volumes of any other manga/comic.  :schnoz:
Title: Re: Episode 319
Post by: Griffith on April 07, 2011, 04:26:36 PM
Really? Ganishka, Femto vs SK, Fantasia, Falconia, nothing?

Already taken for granted. :azan:

What's he going to do then, send his entire army there? How would they arrive before Guts et al.?

He could send the flyers, and any number of other Apostles with them in human form. They might be faster than Roderick's ship anyway, let alone the fact that Guts and company have stopped to fight the Sea God. Like I said, I don't actually think that's happening, but not for logistical reasons.

Yeah, that's a more interesting question. How they were (un)affected (after all, they were already in the astral world themselves, so the problem might rather come from humans), how they will be affected, and what they think of it.

Yeah, just the fact that they now appear on the map, so to speak, could be problematic. Returning to the previous point for a moment, I recall a debate over whether or not Griffith could bypass their defenses before, though I can't think of why that should be different now, them both being of the astral realm already. Though, it's still interesting to consider it that way, for example how the rest of the God Hand may now be on the same plane; or, to use a chess analogy, they may now have five queens on the board. Perhaps the idea of Elfhelm being attacked by Apostles, or even a force led by Griffith, is small-time for a different reason...

This is commented upon in the episode, since the pirates are somewhat affiliated with the animal (sailing on the "Captain Shark Rider", not to mention the boss' speeches).

If the rest of the Sea God turns out to be a giant bearded shark, I'll evacuate my body in ecstasy. :slan:

Not exactly a precise indicator though.

I've got that covered, just stick one of these on the back of Guts' neck: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YhuNCHoF_X8

I was just thinking that i'd rather read 20 pages of Berserk than 20 volumes of any other manga/comic.  :schnoz:

Well, I can think of at least one (http://www.skullknight.net/forum/index.php?board=37.0) where that's almost a fair trade.(http://www.skullknight.net/forum/Smileys/Vagabond/ganishka.gif)
Title: Re: Episode 319
Post by: deamonsonfire on April 07, 2011, 05:18:28 PM
*drools*
Title: Re: Episode 319
Post by: Aazealh on April 07, 2011, 06:05:55 PM
He could send the flyers, and any number of other Apostles with them in human form. They might be faster than Roderick's ship anyway, let alone the fact that Guts and company have stopped to fight the Sea God. Like I said, I don't actually think that's happening, but not for logistical reasons.

There's quite a few reasons it's an unlikely scenario, including logistics. It's not like the trip to Elfhelm is a short one (we're probably talking months in total here), even by flight (plus those flying apostles aren't exactly jet planes), and they wouldn't be able to eat or rest during the whole trip. Then it's assuming that those flying apostles who Ganishka wiped the floor with in Vritannis would be enough to annihilate Elfhelm (not counting those who died in the final battle), when the postulate for justifying their intervention is that the place would be a serious threat to Femto (something Flora was not because of her health). Besides, they'd have to locate it, which isn't a sure bet at this point from what we've been told. I mean sure, everything's possible in theory, but considering the situation in Midland I just really don't find it plausible.

Returning to the previous point for a moment, I recall a debate over whether or not Griffith could bypass their defenses before, though I can't think of why that should be different now, them both being of the astral realm already. Though, it's still interesting to consider it that way, for example how the rest of the God Hand may now be on the same plane; or, to use a chess analogy, they may now have five queens on the board. Perhaps the idea of Elfhelm being attacked by Apostles, or even a force led by Griffith, is small-time for a different reason...

Well if you recall Flora's speech just before the attack, she was mortified that her power had lessened so much that the apostles could breach her barrier without any trouble. So again, basing ourselves on the postulate that Elfhelm is full of powerful magic users and a place generally favorable to "good", their "defenses" would work against evil beings like apostles or members of the God Hand. Now I wouldn't bet Void or Femto couldn't get through, but it would likely pose a problem to simple apostles. Where the merging of the worlds could be a bother is that before the island was apparently hidden to humans and that it might not be so anymore, but even then there are other factors to consider.

Anyway, I don't think Griffith would actually lead an attack on a faraway land himself so shortly after the establishment of Falconia. As for the four other members of the God Hand though... Who knows what they can do/are doing/will do.

Well, I can think of at least one (http://www.skullknight.net/forum/index.php?board=37.0) where that's almost a fair trade.(http://www.skullknight.net/forum/Smileys/Vagabond/ganishka.gif)

NEVER! :miura:
Title: Re: Episode 319
Post by: Buy Berserk! on April 07, 2011, 07:53:38 PM
Quite the adversary Guts is facing this time around!
Title: Re: Episode 319
Post by: Aazealh on April 07, 2011, 08:08:34 PM
Next episode will be in YA #9, released on April 22.

Looks like the effect in the Sea God's mouth just represents its breath?
Title: Re: Episode 319
Post by: deamonsonfire on April 07, 2011, 08:10:39 PM
SCORE.
Title: Re: Episode 319
Post by: Griffith on April 07, 2011, 08:11:56 PM
It's pushing Guts with its breath! :isidro:

That last image of the Boss. :ganishka:



Old business...

There's quite a few reasons it's an unlikely scenario, including logistics...

It depends on how one looks at it, you've made a good case for unlikely, here's my case for why it's still plausible: We don't really know what far is to an Apostle, let alone the the capabilities of the flying Apostles (Rosine didn't look like a jet either but she could move like one, not that they'd have to); whether they'd really need to stop and eat/rest, and even if they did, there's no reason why they couldn't on an island(s) just like Guts has. That goes double for Elfhelm, it's location, capabilities, and what Griffith and Apostles know of those things. Flora wasn't what she used to be, perhaps the same could be said of Elfhelm, and Griffith attacked the former anyway. We're just extrapolating here, and there's plenty of room, and even a little precedent/foreshadowing, for the plausibility of Apostles striking there, even first, if Miura so chose. It's not like we're given detailed explanations of Apostle timing and movements anyway, such as when they showed up at Flora's out of the blue, in the middle of a war with Ganishka, and started laying waste to the place despite Skull Knight's protection (if Elfhelm has an army of Skull Knights and witches in their prime, they need not worry). I'm just pointing out there are scenarios where it could happen well within the story's reason and not raise an eyebrow, so I think it's fair game to prudently discuss, as we are, but not to dismiss.

As for the four other members of the God Hand though... Who knows what they can do/are doing/will do.

SOMEWHERE OVER SKELLIG ISLAND...

(http://www.skullknight.net/griffith/elfhelmgh.jpg)

NEVER! :miura:

Only one way to find out, unless you're scared of the answer! (http://www.skullknight.net/forum/Smileys/Vagabond/guts.gif)
Title: Re: Episode 319
Post by: Rus on April 07, 2011, 08:14:41 PM
I'm blown away by the awesomeness of this episode :magni:
Title: Re: Episode 319
Post by: Aazealh on April 07, 2011, 08:40:36 PM
Rough summary:

Guts says the cave's like the Qliphoth, it gives off some kind of "bad feeling". Schierke says that if it's like the Qliphoth, they can use the power of the spirit who resides there. But in this territory, the Sea God's too powerful, so none of the spirits will help them. Guts says it's true, it really feels like an extension/part of hell. Then they come into the stone statue. They remark that it was previously sealed (like I thought, the statue itself was the seal, it basically closed the cave off from the outside world, effectively imprisoning the monster inside). She guesses it's from an ancient civilization.

The boss says that Guts' skill is beyond a human's, but that he'll be eaten, etc. Since he dared to cut his beard, the Sea God is enraged. Also says that it seems like they should run away again. Schierke says that there's too many of them, that Guts can't handle them all like that. So she proposes him to go to a narrow part of the cave so he can fight them one by one (or just a few at a time), but Guts refuses. Thinks it's not doable (because if it's narrow, he also can't use his sword) and doesn't want to waste his strength (plus there's just too many of them anyway). "Our target's only that one, let's dash into this big mouth!"
Title: Re: Episode 319
Post by: slan69 on April 07, 2011, 08:55:51 PM
Thanks again Aaz! That must be a strong case of bad breath the sea god has. :iva: I love how Guts uses the boss's face for an extra boost, leaving a massive foot print. :serpico: The statue that was sealing this place looks a bit like Poseidon IMO. And here I thought this would be awaiting Guts arrival in the sea god's mouth http://img27.imageshack.us/img27/6230/berserk306014015clr2.jpg. :troll:
Title: Re: Episode 319
Post by: Grail on April 07, 2011, 09:05:28 PM
Oh man... this episode's got some great spreads. The way Miura illustrates the Sea God crammed in this (relatively) small space gives off this overwhelming claustrophobic feeling. I don't think I'm gonna be able to eat spaghetti for a while after this... :magni:
Title: Re: Episode 319
Post by: Truder on April 07, 2011, 09:49:04 PM
I don't think I'm gonna be able to eat spaghetti for a while after this... :magni:
LOL, I was eating spaghetti while going through it  :ganishka:
(It was delicious btw.)


so the sea gods appearance was exactly like the statues. I'm guessing the villagers have actually seen the Sea God themselves in its lair, I doubt they would have made such an accurate statue of it by a mere guess.

also, I love how guts looks excited to just kill the thing and then go about his day. :guts:
Title: Re: Episode 319
Post by: D-Scape on April 07, 2011, 10:24:29 PM
Oh, great Sea God, what big teeth you have!

Seriously, I'm reminded of Monstro from Pinocchio. Who knows what they'll encounter inside that mouth.
Title: Re: Episode 319
Post by: Turkitage on April 07, 2011, 10:59:39 PM
Quote
"Our target's only that one, let's dash into this big mouth!"

such a stud!

awesome eps, thanks!!
Title: Re: Episode 319
Post by: Draculoid on April 07, 2011, 11:34:31 PM
Great episode!

Imagining the Sea God in its entirety with that menacing mouth and awful tentacle/claw beard, it truly is an evil looking beast.

Guts looks so powerful pointing his sword with one arm! Especially in the panel with Schierke, such a great panel!

Very curious to see the inside of the creature. Wonder what will go on inside there, most likely an encounter with a god hand/ evil infection? The beard nows makes me think creature might once have been majestic and good but now been corrupt.

Glad to see the captain get his butt kicked again haha
Title: Re: Episode 319
Post by: IncantatioN on April 07, 2011, 11:49:04 PM
He does say the most badass things every now and then ... incredible EPISODE, the Sea God is collossal.
Title: Re: Episode 319
Post by: Gobolatula on April 08, 2011, 12:57:26 AM
I am loving this Sea God fella. Just a big silent (yet not so silent with the pirates as its spokesmen) crazy monster.

It seems to me like the merrows are a'comin. Makes me think that while Guts is going to be facing some insanity inside, perhaps the merrows will be waging war from the outside. I can't wait for the next episode! AAGH!

The art is great as usual. I am a huge fan of the Schierke and Beast Guts team. I just love the way he looks.

The color page is amazing and would make a great poster! I wish we could get a textless version of it at some point.

Thanks for the summary, Aaz.
Title: Re: Episode 319
Post by: jackson_hurley on April 08, 2011, 01:02:17 AM
no no no no this isn't enough! I need more! Fantastic episode as always! Can't wait for the 22th!
Title: Re: Episode 319
Post by: Eluvei on April 08, 2011, 01:52:00 AM
Thanks for the summary, awesome episode. Like Gobolatula, I'd love to see that color page with no text. :isidro:

PS: Laughing hard at "get in mah belly". Whoever read the disgusting scanlations of the last decade will never forget.
Title: Re: Episode 319
Post by: Walter on April 08, 2011, 02:29:08 AM
PS: Laughing hard at "get in mah belly". Whoever read the disgusting scanlations of the last decade will never forget.
That particular line was from me  :schnoz:

BTW, special preview of next episode: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gS6bQPCwS6U
Title: Re: Episode 319
Post by: Señor Caudillo on April 08, 2011, 04:25:19 AM
the amount of bleeding from the Brand isn't much of an indicator for anything other than to say it's a big threat.  

But isn't true that how much the brand itself reacts to the evil presence with the aching or bleeding will depend on the power of the non-human opponent that Guts faces? The weaker the enemy = less pain/blood, and stronger the enemy = more pain and bleeding. Both Femto (in vol 3) and Skull Knight (in vol 14) have stated so themselves.    

he's looking at a monstrous creature so big a whole city could fit in its mouth? A creature worthy of being called a god? A creature whose beard is composed of huge monsters whose own mouths are composed of yet other monsters who have individually been portrayed as serious foes for our hero without losing himself to the armor?

Who knows, there may be some hope. Guts and/or Schierke might come across something handy left behind by the mermaids that can give them some edge against Sea God. You know, maybe a special merrow-forged sword that is capable of inflicting pain on Sea God, an astral shield which can withstand his attacks or some sort of magic chain that can force Sea God's mouth shut. After all, wasn't it the merrows who'd bound and imprisoned him?  :schierke:  And it was that magical repellent seal made by Isma's mermaid mother that has been keeping Sea God and his pawns away from her. Therefore, some sort of object or weapon made by the merrows can be expected to be of great help to Guts in his fight against the Sea God, that is if he gets his hands on one, of course  :guts:    

And on a side note, those entrails Slan possessed don't really qualify as being "her physical form".

Isn't it how she manifested herself in the physical world, using the troll intestines? Just like Conrad did with the plague infested rats to appear in the middle of a city. Those things did act as a vessel which they used to appear within the living realm.

"Hanafubuku" isn't a name. 花吹雪く王 ("Hanabufuku Oh") is a phrase in Japanese that means "King of the Flower Storm". That's the king's title. Call him either that or the Elf King, but please don't use this half-assed non-translation. And I know it's how Dark Horse put it, but that's not an excuse! :miura:

Yes, I know that it's not really his name, but merely an epithet. But as a non-Japanese speaker, I have to rely on the Dark Horse translation, which obviously isn't perfect. And you know, a lot of monarchs are better remembered and known by their epithets than by their birth names. Nobody ever calls Chinggis Khan, which is actually a title that literally means "ruler of the seas" in old Turkic and Mongolian languages, by his personal name "Temujin", for example. Elf King's real name has yet to be revealed, and for all we know it may never be. If that's the case, we might have to make do with "King Hanafubuku". Besides, it's been 16 years, and Miura  has yet to conclusively reveal (or at least confirm) SkullKnight's own real name   :badbone:

Don't tell me you're seriously trying to brag about this. Almost makes me want to pull an old "Captain Obvious" image macro. And you didn't even call it perfectly, you missed the (1)!

Oh come on, lighten up, Aaz. There was a multitude of possible titles that Miura could've used for episode 319. Something like "Inside the Sea God's Cave", "The Beard of Sea God", "Sea God's Maw", "Sea God's Jaws" or the "Sea God's Teeth". We may never know. So me feeling good about guessing the name of this episode right, what is anything wrong with that? I'm not out to disrespect or belittle anyone, or anything man. I'm not trying to brag about this. I'm just having myself a little chuckle for guessing that just one single Berserk episode's name correctly, jeez.  


Really? Ganishka, Femto vs SK, Fantasia, Falconia, nothing?

Those were awe inspiring and stunning scenes indeed yes, but I think there might've been a little misunderstanding. I was talking about the fear factor there. What I meant to say was, this was the first time in several years of reading Berserk that I've been scared just by the mere sight of a monster's appearance alone. No flesh being ripping apart, no rivers of gore pouring in all directions, or several thousand humans being swallowed up at once by Sea God or anything else. Just him sitting (or laying) there, with his gigantic mouth and endless row of teeth and all, that is what I found to be actually scary   :magni:  (http://skullknight.net/images/teeth2.gif)    
Title: Re: Episode 319
Post by: Aphasia on April 08, 2011, 04:35:25 AM
Miura  has yet to conclusively reveal (or at least confirm) SkullKnight's own real name   :badbone:

You mean King Gaiseric? :troll:

Just an amazing episode.  Love how excited Guts looks to take down this monstrosity.  Also, that last panel with the pirate boss had me in stitches.

BTW, special preview of next episode: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gS6bQPCwS6U

BEARS BEARS BEARS BEARS
Title: Re: Episode 319
Post by: Truder on April 08, 2011, 05:49:21 AM
BTW, special preview of next episode: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gS6bQPCwS6U
just imagining Guts going into the Sea God and start partying has got me chuckling  :ganishka:

I'm just having myself a little chuckle for guessing that just one single Berserk episode's name correctly, jeez. 
dont you forget this is a no-fun zone :femto:
Title: Re: Episode 319
Post by: Gobolatula on April 08, 2011, 06:39:26 AM
BTW, special preview of next episode: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gS6bQPCwS6U
Inside the belly, Party Pat is Conrad and the bears are his rats. Finn and Jake (Guts & Schierke) are going in to end their party.

You know, the pirate captain's 2 crew mates REALLY creep me out when they're just kinda waving around as tentacles. I love it.

Also, I REALLY hope the Sea God doesn't blow Guts away before he reaches the mouth.
Title: Re: Episode 319
Post by: Aazealh on April 08, 2011, 08:55:51 AM
Very curious to see the inside of the creature. Wonder what will go on inside there, most likely an encounter with a god hand/ evil infection?

Encountering a member of the God Hand inside the Sea God? That would be somewhat unexpected. That being said, I do expect to see some very interesting things inside that monster.

BTW, special preview of next episode: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gS6bQPCwS6U

Whoa, awesome I hadn't seen that one yet!

But isn't true that how much the brand itself reacts to the evil presence with the aching or bleeding will depend on the power of the non-human opponent that Guts faces? The weaker the enemy = less pain/blood, and stronger the enemy = more pain and bleeding. Both Femto (in vol 3) and Skull Knight (in vol 14) have stated so themselves.

It's true and it's what I just said. It's not much of an indicator for anything other than to say it's a big threat. It's preposterous to attempt to use it to precisely compare the "power" of various enemies, especially since other factors like proximity play a role as well, and that the bleeding itself isn't easy to quantify beyond "that's a lot of blood". The pain could be a better indicator (see for example how Guts is incapacitated when he's near a member of the God Hand), but the Berserk's armor and the merging of the worlds make that unreliable as well. So yeah, again, that's not what you should focus on here when we can see by ourselves how awesome and frightening the Sea God actually is.

Guts and/or Schierke might come across something handy left behind by the mermaids that can give them some edge against Sea God. You know, maybe a special merrow-forged sword that is capable of inflicting pain on Sea God, an astral shield which can withstand his attacks or some sort of magic chain that can force Sea God's mouth shut.

Hahaha yeah right, Guts is going to ditch the Dragon Slayer in favor of a magic merrow sword. Or use a chain to tie the Sea God's mouth. Good one. :ganishka:

After all, wasn't it the merrows who'd bound and imprisoned him?  :schierke:  And it was that magical repellent seal made by Isma's mermaid mother that has been keeping Sea God and his pawns away from her. Therefore, some sort of object or weapon made by the merrows can be expected to be of great help to Guts in his fight against the Sea God, that is if he gets his hands on one, of course

At this point and given the foreshadowing we've been getting (Isma hearing sounds/voices in the sea, the Moonlight Boy looking at something away from the cave, the tale of Isma's mother coming back for her), I expect merrows to actually show up one way or another.

Isn't it how she manifested herself in the physical world, using the troll intestines? Just like Conrad did with the plague infested rats to appear in the middle of a city. Those things did act as a vessel which they used to appear within the living realm.

She manifested herself for a short while, yeah, but that's not a "physical form" in the same way that "Griffith" is a physical form for Femto. Just a matter of semantics. She might actually take on a more permanent physical form in the future.
 
Yes, I know that it's not really his name, but merely an epithet. But as a non-Japanese speaker, I have to rely on the Dark Horse translation, which obviously isn't perfect. And you know, a lot of monarchs are better remembered and known by their epithets than by their birth names. Nobody ever calls Chinggis Khan, which is actually a title that literally means "ruler of the seas" in old Turkic and Mongolian languages, by his personal name "Temujin", for example. Elf King's real name has yet to be revealed, and for all we know it may never be. If that's the case, we might have to make do with "King Hanafubuku".

It doesn't matter whether we ever learn the guy's first name or not, we're not going to "have to make do" with a half-translated name because it's incredibly stupid and completely inconsistent with the rest of the names in the series. It's not meant to remain in Japanese like a historical title in a foreign language would, just like we're not calling the Skull Knight the "Knight of Dokuro", Guts the "Black Kenshi" or Femto the "Wings of Yami", and so on for every other line in the manga. It's retarded and baseless, and I'll enforce the proper name the hard way if I have to.
 
I'm just having myself a little chuckle for guessing that just one single Berserk episode's name correctly, jeez.

Sorry BayJumper, your general attitude and posting history on this website has not made me particularly indulgent towards you. No hard feelings.

What I meant to say was, this was the first time in several years of reading Berserk that I've been scared just by the mere sight of a monster's appearance alone.

Ah, OK then. Actually he reminds me of the first time we saw a Makara. I was quite impressed by the thing at the time.

You mean King Gaiseric? :troll:

Emperor. :SK:
Title: Re: Episode 319
Post by: Vampire_Hunter_Bob on April 08, 2011, 03:45:52 PM
I'm going to love watching Guts kill it.  :ubik:
Title: Re: Episode 319
Post by: Griffith on April 08, 2011, 08:10:35 PM
Picture post! :ubik:

Encountering a member of the God Hand inside the Sea God? That would be somewhat unexpected. That being said, I do expect to see some very interesting things inside that monster.

(http://www.skullknight.net/griffith/sga.jpg)

Ah, OK then. Actually he reminds me of the first time we saw a Makara. I was quite impressed by the thing at the time.

Co-sign, in its first appearance in episode 240 the Makara might have been the scariest-lookin' monster Guts ever faced, I think I was actually worried for him:

(http://www.skullknight.net/griffith/makara.jpg)

Damn thing could have been Ganishka himself! :ganishka:
Title: Re: Episode 319
Post by: Rhombaad on April 08, 2011, 08:59:59 PM
What a great episode! It's so nice to have Berserk back again. I can't wait to read the translation.

I noticed while reading the episode that Guts' encounter with the Sea God kind of parallels Griffith's encounter with Ganishka. Both opponents are monstrous in size and strength, and appear impossible to overcome. Griffith was able to conquer Ganishka without using any brute strength or his powers resulting from being a member of the God Hand (aside from the reaction of apostles to members of the GH, which appears to be innate), but because he was meant to defeat Ganishka and bring out the merging of the Worlds. It was all set up through causality by the Idea of Evil, while on the other hand, Guts is going to conquer (it's safe to assume he's not going to be killed by the Sea God) his monstrous opponent using his own strength (whether or not his strength is brought out by the armor is irrelevant; it's still his), much like he's been doing all his life.

I just thought this was interesting and reminded me in a way of the parallel between Guts' and Griffith's "methods" of charisma. Griffith forces (not really the right word, but I couldn't think of a better way to describe it) his charisma on others in order to bend them to his will/unite them to his cause, whereas Guts unconsciously draws people to his side (whether he wants to or not) and continues to do so to this day.

I just enjoy this subtle black and white relationship between Guts and Griffith, two people who are so different in their methods and personalities.

I know this isn't some historic revelation, but I thought I'd share what I was thinking and see if anyone else had something to add or if they disagreed with my train of thought.
Title: Re: Episode 319
Post by: Vampire_Hunter_Bob on April 08, 2011, 09:40:26 PM
Griffith seduces others in order to bend them to his will/unite them to his cause, whereas Guts unconsciously draws people to his side (whether he wants to or not) and continues to do so to this day.
That is probably the best word I can think about.

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I just enjoy this subtle black and white relationship between Guts and Griffith, two people who are so different in their methods and personalities.

I know this isn't some historic revelation, but I thought I'd share what I was thinking and see if anyone else had something to add or if they disagreed with my train of thought.
Griffith is such a good foil to Guts, and I'm glad you pointed this out because honestly I wasn't thinking about the contrasts between Guts and Griffith. This is one of the many things I love about Berserk. Miura doesn't give us half-asses material, instead he gives us a high quality storytelling.
Title: Re: Episode 319
Post by: Gobolatula on April 08, 2011, 09:50:00 PM
I just thought this was interesting and reminded me in a way of the parallel between Guts' and Griffith's "methods" of charisma. Griffith forces (not really the right word, but I couldn't think of a better way to describe it) his charisma on others in order to bend them to his will/unite them to his cause, whereas Guts unconsciously draws people to his side (whether he wants to or not) and continues to do so to this day.
Good eye, brother.

Another thing is, both Guts and Griffith are both inches away from their goals at this point. It's interesting to see that their lives are kind of parallel in that way, time wise. Both fighting giant monsters to get to where they wanna be.
Title: Re: Episode 319
Post by: Rhombaad on April 08, 2011, 10:02:56 PM
Good eye, brother.

Hehe, I wish I could take credit for that observation, but I believe someone brought it up a long time ago elsewhere on the forum.

Another thing is, both Guts and Griffith are both inches away from their goals at this point. It's interesting to see that their lives are kind of parallel in that way, time wise. Both fighting giant monsters to get to where they wanna be.

I hadn't thought about it in terms of goals, but your absolutely right. The Sea God is (at least for the moment) all that stands in Guts' way of reaching Elfhelm.
Title: Re: Episode 319
Post by: ZODDOII on April 09, 2011, 03:50:49 AM
Wow,big monster big mouth :isidro: :ganishka:

This mouth maybe like black hole or someting( Mass Relays) :void: guts will  time travel or space travel  :guts: :judo:
Title: Re: Episode 319
Post by: puella on April 09, 2011, 12:58:39 PM
I imagine that the power of the spirits on the island can be unsealed while the Sea God has a "stomachache" caused by Guts. Then Schierke might be able to borrow their power so that they can finish off the Sea God. Or merrows also appear... Otherwise, the Sea God is too enormous for Guts to completely destroy, I think.
Title: Re: Episode 319
Post by: Aazealh on April 09, 2011, 03:22:45 PM
(http://aazealh.net/Divers/EpisodePreviews/YA08-2011-Supplement.jpg)

No one posted about it, but yesterday the official twitter account showed off a picture of the YA supplement containing the 4 previous episodes and featuring a previously-seen color illustration on its cover.

I noticed while reading the episode that Guts' encounter with the Sea God kind of parallels Griffith's encounter with Ganishka. Both opponents are monstrous in size and strength, and appear impossible to overcome. Griffith was able to conquer Ganishka without using any brute strength or his powers resulting from being a member of the God Hand (aside from the reaction of apostles to members of the GH, which appears to be innate), but because he was meant to defeat Ganishka and bring out the merging of the Worlds.

I'm not sure we can say that Femto didn't use his powers. He just didn't use brute strength. Nor, given the circumstances, would I say that he defeated Ganishka so much as he used him for his intended purpose (that of merging the worlds together).
Title: Re: Episode 319
Post by: berserkfan on April 11, 2011, 06:58:42 AM
Not many people will agree, but I honestly think Guts is going to encounter a member of the God hand within the sea god. Here are my reasons as to why:

1) bleeding of the brand-At first thought, it could be because of the presence of the sea God, but if there is a member of the God hand in it, the brand could also be reacting just as strongly to the member considering the fact that the God hand are more powerful then any monster/apostle, including the sea God.
2) Comparing it with the Qliphoth: last time slan managed to manifest there, so theres a good chance there might a be a manifestation of a different god hand member within the sea God
3) I highly believe it'll be Ubik, reason being if you look at the previous episode that detailed the merging of the worlds and the God hand, Ubik was pictured having tea and there being statues all around him. The same statues that look just like the one that guts and schierke find.
Title: Re: Episode 319
Post by: Griffith on April 11, 2011, 12:24:44 PM
You're right, I don't agree with you, not because I think it's so unlikely a member of God Hand could show up here, and I even think your speculation about Ubik living inside the Sea God has a crazy appeal that fits him, but because your arguments are so arbitrary:

1) Or it's just the Sea God.
2) A member of the God Hand could possibly show up anywhere now, or not, we don't know. In any case, not a great reason to say one will with confidence.
3) Those aren't statues, and they're nothing like the seal holding the Sea God.

The second point is the best by default, the place was compared to Qliphoth, and it was Qliphoth in which Slan appeared, but we'll see if that means a member of God Hand is going to show up every time Guts is in such a place (I wouldn't mind). Though, I would say the best arguments for a member of God Hand appearing here are literary, such as exposing Schierke to one before they reach Elfhelm, etc. As for a member of God Hand actually showing up, the point has already been made more convincingly:

http://www.skullknight.net/forum/index.php?topic=12507.0

:griffnotevil:
Title: Re: Episode 319
Post by: Draculoid on April 11, 2011, 05:30:20 PM
If a God Hand WAS to show up i guess it would be Conrad....just because he seems lower in their hierarchy so more likely to appear earlier on and also seemed to be shown in relation to the plague/infection in the same way i feel the Sea God may be infected.

We already saw Slan recently...this seems too out of place for Ubik, i imagine him being in some sort of "trippy" encounter/ location. Void will be closer to the end.
Title: Re: Episode 319
Post by: Walter on April 11, 2011, 05:49:07 PM
If a God Hand WAS to show up i guess it would be Conrad....just because he seems lower in their hierarchy so more likely to appear earlier on and also seemed to be shown in relation to the plague/infection in the same way i feel the Sea God may be infected
What hierarchy?
Title: Re: Episode 319
Post by: Griffith on April 11, 2011, 05:52:52 PM
If a God Hand WAS to show up i guess it would be Conrad....just because he seems lower in their hierarchy so more likely to appear earlier on

There is no official hierarchy that we know of, but if you're going by their order of appearance at the Eclipse ceremony, Conrad appears second to last, before only Void himself, and he's arguably the only other member to perform rites by raising the alter (though Slan and Ubik obviously participate as well). When we see them during the Fantansia episode, the order of Conrad's and Ubik's appearance are reversed though, which means... absolutely nothing, like I said.

and also seemed to be shown in relation to the plague/infection in the same way i feel the Sea God may be infected.

Streeeeeetch! C'mon guys, if you're going to make false equivalencies, don't set them up like a reasoned argument is coming.

We already saw Slan recently...this seems too out of place for Ubik, i imagine him being in some sort of "trippy" encounter/ location.

But it's appropriate for Conrad because of his association with rats, the plague, and urban death? I don't even know that any of that matters (Qliphoth wasn't especially Slannish, save for the fornicating Trolls, but trippy enough), and this whole thing seems "pretty trippy" to me anyway: a pirate ship, that are tentacles, that are people, that are giant slugs, that are bigger tentacles, that are the beard of what I'm going to safely assume is the biggest mouth in the world.:ubik:

BTW, fun answer if you ever encounter a question about the origins of the plague on a History test. A: Conrad.

Void will be closer to the end.

Ya think? :void:
Title: Re: Episode 319
Post by: Draculoid on April 11, 2011, 06:39:02 PM
You think Conrad being related to plague/infection is a stretch? The only times we have seen him manifest himself in the physical world has been through plague rats....all I'm saying is IF its a god hand infection in the sea god it might be him due to that, do you have any better justification for it being any of the other members?

I realize there is no real hierarchy, guess that was a stretch on my part...i always see Conrad and Ubik as less powerful followed by Slan and then Void for no real good reason.

By "trippy" i meant more of a mind game like set up, also more crazy surreal looking enemies like the ones shown in his Fantasia manifestation.
Title: Re: Episode 319
Post by: Aazealh on April 11, 2011, 06:45:52 PM
You think Conrad being related to plague/infection is a stretch? The only times we have seen him manifest himself in the physical world has been through plague rats....all I'm saying is IF its a god hand infection in the sea god it might be him due to that, do you have any better justification for it being any of the other members?

And where are the rats here? What's the connexion to disease? What's this "God Hand infection" you're talking about? Nothing you say makes any sense.
Title: Re: Episode 319
Post by: Griffith on April 11, 2011, 06:51:58 PM
You think Conrad being related to plague/infection is a stretch? The only times we have seen him manifest himself in the physical world has been through plague rats....

No, I'm pointing out that that has little to do with the sea. =)

all I'm saying is IF its a god hand infection in the sea god it might be him due to that, do you have any better justification for it being any of the other members?

There's nothing to indicate an infection of any kind.

I realize there is no real hierarchy, guess that was a stretch on my part...i always see Conrad and Ubik as less powerful followed by Slan and then Void for no real good reason.

You bias based on height! :puck:

By "trippy" i meant more of a mind game like set up, also more crazy surreal looking enemies like the ones shown in his Fantasia manifestation.

Yeah, but I don't think it really matters. Qliphoth was a lot like that, and no Ubik there.
Title: Re: Episode 319
Post by: Draculoid on April 11, 2011, 06:57:41 PM
oh i definitely agree with it being a stretch. It would be highly random and I don't think the plague rats do relate to the sea god/sea/ the island really...I'm just trying to get my head around the idea of there being a God Hand present and trying to find justification for it or who it might be...IF there is one, not saying i believe there is one for sure. It is far too early and pretty impossible to speculate based on what we have.
Title: Re: Episode 319
Post by: creampuff_war on April 11, 2011, 09:21:44 PM
I raised the idea in December of Conrad being the sea monster based mainly on the image of the brand and the amount of blood, which struck me as remarkably similar to the Guts' encounter with Slan.  :slan:
Title: Re: Episode 319
Post by: Griffith on April 11, 2011, 09:42:13 PM
I raised the idea in December of Conrad being the sea monster based mainly on the image of the brand and the amount of blood, which struck me as remarkably similar to the Guts' encounter with Slan.  :slan:

And, as far as anyone can see, you were absolutely wrong. Congratulations! :ubik:
Title: Re: Episode 319
Post by: Walter on April 11, 2011, 09:48:42 PM
I raised the idea in December of Conrad being the sea monster based mainly on the image of the brand and the amount of blood, which struck me as remarkably similar to the Guts' encounter with Slan.  :slan:
Remarkably similar? I think that's exaggerating the reality. If you really want to see something comparable, how about this?

(http://skullknight.net/images/brand100.jpg)(http://skullknight.net/images/brand318.jpg)
Volume 15 (Rosine)Episode 318 (Sea God)


I'll reiterate that I think it's poor reasoning to try to quantify just how evil an entity is based on something as unreliable as a panel showing blood expungement. But for convenience sake, here's an assortment of scenes from when the brand reacted to the presence of members of the God Hand.

(http://skullknight.net/images/brandvol3.jpg)
Volume 3 (All God Hand)

(http://skullknight.net/images/brand181.jpg)
Volume 22 (Griffith)

(http://skullknight.net/images/brand216.jpg)
Volume 26 (Slan)

When a God Hand is around, there have been other indications evident in Guts. In Vol 26, Guts reacted violently to sensing Slan's approach -- it put him into a panic, and in Vol 3 when the God Hand came in close proximity he doubled over in pain. In ep 318, Guts merely comments on noticing that the brand is bleeding. He's not freaking out.

Furthermore, remember that Schierke also commented on Slan's appearance in Vol 26, pretty much as soon as she arrived. She felt it like a freight train. Schierke has made no such comment yet.

So how about we can the blind speculation until there's something more reliable to base ideas on?
Title: Re: Episode 319
Post by: creampuff_war on April 11, 2011, 10:11:31 PM
Schierke made the comment that the sea god's power is immense, and that fighting such a creature is beyond hope.

And Guts reaction CAN change. His first encounter with Zod was different than, say, the snail count.
Title: Re: Episode 319
Post by: Walter on April 11, 2011, 10:25:35 PM
Schierke made the comment that the sea god's power is immense, and that fighting such a creature is beyond hope.
You're missing my point. Look at volume 26. She sensed Slan's presence. It was like a huge wash of chaos over her at the time. There's been nothing like that on the island.

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And Guts reaction CAN change. His first encounter with Zod was different than, say, the snail count.
So then your argument is that Guts is aware that it's a God Hand, but is keeping it secret for now?
Title: Re: Episode 319
Post by: creampuff_war on April 11, 2011, 10:33:40 PM
So then your argument is that Guts is aware that it's a God Hand, but is keeping it secret for now?

not at all, although that's possible. The same sensations he felt during Slan's encounter need not exist in order for a God Hand to be present...I think. Maybe not though.

Schierke's lack of being engulfed by a wave of chaos this time could be b/c of her physical presence not being in the actual area. She is out of body, holding on to Guts this time. Guts is also wearing the Berserk armor this time, wrapped in it with Schierke.
Title: Re: Episode 319
Post by: Griffith on April 12, 2011, 12:27:44 AM
not at all, although that's possible.

Possible like it's possible Guts is an elf and Zodd is his father, though I don't even think it's that possible. Even if Guts could hide his thoughts from someone he's currently sharing a form of consciousness with, as dubious a proposition as any motive he might have to do so (none), Guts doesn't very well hide his important thoughts from the audience, "I better not think about the God Hand I know is in here, it'll be a spoiler, and I don't want to ruin their awesome speculations!" If he's not thinking about sensing a member of the God Hand, he's not sensing one.

Schierke's lack of being engulfed by a wave of chaos this time could be b/c of her physical presence not being in the actual area. She is out of body, holding on to Guts this time. Guts is also wearing the Berserk armor this time, wrapped in it with Schierke.

Her physical presence is probably the least important factor to her sensing or feeling the effects of powerful spiritual energy like that. As a matter of fact, minus a physical form she's more susceptible to such energy, as she mentioned in volume 22 when spying on Griffith, using a bird as her physical anchor so she wouldn't get lost in his power. Her presence in and of the armor doesn't make a difference either, as we saw the first time they did this; she had no difficulty sensing and assessing the spiritual power of the Kundalini, for example.

Anyway, I'm all for creative speculation, but it should usually be going with established precedents, not against them. If one finds themselves having to speculate more and more to get around the facts instead of the facts falling into place, it's a good indicator that it's not a theory worth pursuing and an alternative thesis is in order.
Title: Re: Episode 319
Post by: deamonsonfire on April 12, 2011, 10:15:21 PM
You guys are all so obviously wrong..

The sea god is actually an automation & conglamorite of all the god hands. Its kind of like voltron. When Guts goes inside hes going to find them all in the sea gods dome piece operating its limbs manually through soft tissue manipulation.

Title: Re: Episode 319
Post by: Gobolatula on April 12, 2011, 11:27:38 PM
You guys are all so obviously wrong..

The sea god is actually an automation & conglamorite of all the god hands. Its kind of like voltron. When Guts goes inside hes going to find them all in the sea gods dome piece operating its limbs manually through soft tissue manipulation.


I like the way you think.
Title: Re: Episode 319
Post by: Aphasia on April 14, 2011, 06:06:45 AM
You guys are all so obviously wrong..

The sea god is actually an automation & conglamorite of all the god hands. Its kind of like voltron. When Guts goes inside hes going to find them all in the sea gods dome piece operating its limbs manually through soft tissue manipulation.

See, I imagined the God Hand furiously toiling away at an army of knobs, levers and pulleys.  

There's one line I don't fully comprehend from Guts.  "It's convenient to be able to see clearly in the dark."  Is this an advantage of the armor, or because he is possessed by Schierke?
Title: Re: Episode 319
Post by: puella on April 14, 2011, 08:07:20 AM
There's one line I don't fully comprehend from Guts.  "It's convenient to be able to see clearly in the dark."  Is this an advantage of the armor, or because he is possessed by Schierke?

Good question, I think it's thanks to the armor.
Title: Re: Episode 319
Post by: Señor Caudillo on April 14, 2011, 04:04:40 PM
Good question, I think it's thanks to the armor.

I've always thought so too. In addition to its already well known properties like utmost utilization of the entire reserves of physical and mental strength in the user's body, numbing of the pain and realigning the broken bones back into their place, I believe the Armor also heightens all of the five senses; the touching, smelling, hearing, eyesight and taste. I think that was mentioned in vol 26 or 27.  
Title: Re: Episode 319
Post by: Walter on April 14, 2011, 04:20:45 PM
I believe the Armor also heightens all of the five senses; the touching, smelling, hearing, eyesight and taste. I think that was mentioned in vol 26 or 27.   
Really? I don't seem to remember that, and the burden of proof is on you to find that part in the manga. In Vol 26, Schierke says the armor pushes the human body beyond its limits, at the risk of its owner's life. But she's referring to how it puts pressure on muscle and bone to the point of abandon. SK mentions in vol 28 that with prolonged use, Guts will lose his senses of color, taste, etc. That's it.

As for Guts' enhanced vision he mentions, I think it's a combination of Schierke's enhancement, and possibly the unique vision Guts has when under the influence of the armor, as shown several times, particularly vols 28, 31 and 36. That being said, I do feel like I'm kind of missing something, because even that feels like guesswork.
Title: Re: Episode 319
Post by: Gaahl on April 14, 2011, 04:51:57 PM
Given SK's words of warning and the previous times we saw the world through the armors eyes, i think it's more thanks to Schierke that Guts can see well in the dark.
Admittedly, we never saw how Guts perceived his surroundings as a "sane berserker", but in every other shot, all he saw was teeth and blurred shapes. If anything, his vision was worse.

Schierke on the other hand is using her astral body to fuse with Guts. She was able to see deeper into the spiritual world before using it, so she might be less dependant on light in this scenario.

However, we never had any hint of a shared perception between Guts and Schierke, and they seem to be able to both focus on different things.

One more reason to look forward to more of their teamwork, I guess :guts:
Title: Re: Episode 319
Post by: Griffith on April 14, 2011, 04:58:33 PM
However, we never had any hint of a shared perception between Guts and Schierke, and they seem to be able to both focus on different things.

Actually, we did in Episode 270; Schierke sees what Guts sees as the berserk though she's still sane, and even has to squint to what Daiba truly looked like. I don't know exactly what that means to their current experience, but it definitely seems like a two-way street. Anyway, I assume she still sees what Guts' sees, and anything beyond that would take an extra effort on her part.
Title: Re: Episode 319
Post by: Gobolatula on April 14, 2011, 11:24:17 PM
I believe the Armor also heightens all of the five senses; the touching, smelling, hearing, eyesight and taste. I think that was mentioned in vol 26 or 27.   
I believe maybe you misunderstood. The armor dulls the human senses after using it for a long time. It was revealed when Skully warned Guts in volume 28. We've seen his hands shaking, him looking at Serpico's stew strangely, his vision fading while looking at Casca on the boat... We haven't seen him smell or hear differently yet, but hey.
Title: Re: Episode 319
Post by: Aphasia on April 14, 2011, 11:41:33 PM
I agree with (most) of you.  Judging from what we know about the armor dulling the senses, I would assume it has something to do with the connection Guts is sharing with Schierke.  That was my initial response.  Maybe we'll learn more about this newfound ability in upcoming episodes.
Title: Re: Episode 319
Post by: jackson_hurley on April 15, 2011, 04:45:41 AM
Judging from what we know about the armor dulling the senses, I would assume it has something to do with the connection Guts is sharing with Schierke. 

If I'm not wrong, I don't think Schierke has anything to do with Guts losing his senses but more the work of the armor. If you meant that in a way that Schierke is helping Guts seeing more clear while using the armor forgot what I just said above!  :slan:
Title: Re: Episode 319
Post by: puella on April 15, 2011, 05:14:30 PM
I think Miura would depict the scene differently if Guts' night vision was related to Schierke. It's true she's helping him stay in control of himself by clearing his vision of the armor's "fluid" right now, but it doesn't mean she's bestowing him some special power.
Title: Re: Episode 319
Post by: Aphasia on April 15, 2011, 06:13:42 PM
If I'm not wrong, I don't think Schierke has anything to do with Guts losing his senses but more the work of the armor. If you meant that in a way that Schierke is helping Guts seeing more clear while using the armor forgot what I just said above!  :slan:

Whoops, yeah, I was referring to Schierke being the one helping Guts.  
Title: Re: Episode 319
Post by: Rhombaad on April 15, 2011, 06:19:45 PM
I think Miura would depict the scene differently if Guts' night vision was related to Schierke. It's true she's helping him stay in control of himself by clearing his vision of the armor's "fluid" right now, but it doesn't mean she's bestowing him some special power.

I agree. I think Guts could see perfectly fine in the dark whether Schierke was there or not, I just don't think he'd be as conscious of it if she were absent.
Title: Re: Episode 319
Post by: Aazealh on April 15, 2011, 06:45:30 PM
Given SK's words of warning

Irrelevant.

the previous times we saw the world through the armors eyes

His perception of things was distorted, but he was always able to "see" his enemies, even in the dark.

I agree. I think Guts could see perfectly fine in the dark whether Schierke was there or not, I just don't think he'd be as conscious of it if she were absent.

Yeah.
Title: Re: Episode 319
Post by: ZODDOII on April 18, 2011, 12:15:57 AM
It seems everyone think this big mouth is not simple. In his mouth like a space, This is why many people say god hand was hiding inside?

It is impossible and very absurd. I prefer to believe that big mouth is a distortion of space, May change something or someone.
Title: Re: Episode 319
Post by: Aphasia on April 18, 2011, 12:46:41 AM
It seems everyone think this big mouth is not simple. In his mouth like a space, This is why many people say god hand was hiding inside?

It is impossible and very absurd. I prefer to believe that big mouth is a distortion of space, May change something or someone.


I agree, but I don't remember "many" people guessing there would be a God Hand inside the Sea God.  I think a select few might have come to the conclusion because of the odd texture inside his mouth which resembles the astral realm, and also Guts mentioning how the area felt similar to Qliphoth, along with some other conclusions which didn't make much sense.
Title: Re: Episode 319
Post by: Walter on April 18, 2011, 06:57:44 AM
It seems everyone think this big mouth is not simple. In his mouth like a space, This is why many people say god hand was hiding inside?
Don't misconstrue things. A member of the God Hand appearing inside the Sea God was not the general consensus of the thread. One person wondered if that would happen, and one other guy convinced himself that it would happen, based on some shoddy reasoning. And no, not everyone thinks the mouth is more than it seems. I, for one, believe that inside will be the insides of the Sea God, not a portal to the astral world. Why? Because the astral world and physical worlds just merged...

Really though, it's fruitless to make blind guesses about things like this. The answer will present itself sometime this week, as the ep is due by Friday.
Title: Re: Episode 319
Post by: Aazealh on April 18, 2011, 07:53:15 AM
I, for one, believe that inside will be the insides of the Sea God, not a portal to the astral world.

But with the Sea God being a powerful astral creature, in a way, its gigantic insides could be considered a part of the astral world! :carcus:
Title: Re: Episode 319
Post by: Draculoid on April 18, 2011, 06:53:46 PM
Im sorry about the confusing concerning the God Hand speculation. It was complete and utter speculation and im not sure when it started being taken seriously. I threw it out there as a question orignally, and than I emphasized the "if a God Hand WAS to show up..." to further show it was just a shot in the dark. Sorry about that .....
Title: Re: Episode 319
Post by: Walter on April 18, 2011, 07:15:51 PM
Im sorry about the confusing concerning the God Hand speculation. It was complete and utter speculation and im not sure when it started being taken seriously. I threw it out there as a question orignally, and than I emphasized the "if a God Hand WAS to show up..." to further show it was just a shot in the dark. Sorry about that .....
I understood your statement. It was ZODDOII that was confused about your meaning, apparently.
Title: Re: Episode 319
Post by: deamonsonfire on April 19, 2011, 05:34:17 AM
We won't see a member of the God Hand inside that thing's stomach...but perhaps after he defeats it, we may not be let down after all!

Guts has referenced the mouth of hell or the first level of hell, on more than one occasion. It makes sense that along with this Sea God is an entrance to the astral realm..or hell...kinda like the aforementioned Qliphoth was.

Aww hell yeah. Guts is gunna go super crazy berserk killing a God Hand or trying to, while doing irreparable damage to his own body in the process. He has to fail. It will be epic.
Title: Re: Episode 319
Post by: Gobolatula on April 19, 2011, 06:35:17 AM
Guts is gunna go super crazy berserk killing a God Hand or trying to, while doing irreparable damage to his own body in the process. He has to fail. It will be epic.
Aw don't be such a pessimist.  :serpico:
Title: Re: Episode 319
Post by: ZODDOII on April 19, 2011, 11:17:32 AM
I agree, but I don't remember "many" people guessing there would be a God Hand inside the Sea God.  I think a select few might have come to the conclusion because of the odd texture inside his mouth which resembles the astral realm, and also Guts mentioning how the area felt similar to Qliphoth, along with some other conclusions which didn't make much sense.

Sorry, I was wrong,Not many people, is part of people put forward.

Our point of view is similar, and (astral realm) I really like this word, If that is true,That must be very spectacular.

Don't misconstrue things. A member of the God Hand appearing inside the Sea God was not the general consensus of the thread. One person wondered if that would happen, and one other guy convinced himself that it would happen, based on some shoddy reasoning. And no, not everyone thinks the mouth is more than it seems. I, for one, believe that inside will be the insides of the Sea God, not a portal to the astral world. Why? Because the astral world and physical worlds just merged...

Really though, it's fruitless to make blind guesses about things like this. The answer will present itself sometime this week, as the ep is due by Friday.

Yes, now I see,thanks for your explanation.

I understand your meaning, two worlds close tow for one. Does not exist different space.

It's also reasonable

But with the Sea God being a powerful astral creature, in a way, its gigantic insides could be considered a part of the astral world! :carcus:

I like the way you think.This is what I want to say