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Title: RIPOFF ALERT: Zoliv/ Olivier Brion from France
Post by: IncantatioN on July 20, 2011, 06:21:25 PM
This concerns a member on the board (rather past member) whose information is below –

Name: OLIVIER BRION
Paypal + Correspondence Email Address: zoliv_is_a_yes_man@hotmail.fr
UPDATED Paypal information - darker_than_hei@hotmail.fr
Alais: On the board he used to go by the name ‘Zoliv’
Residence Address: 52, rue d'Allonville, Résidence "L'ISARD", 44000 NANTES, FRANCE.

Here's a bit of the history around it -

Back in August last year, I showed interest on the board for the Berserker bust (Sold Out at the time), and made payment for the SK bust. Zoliv reached out to me indicating that he was selling both busts and asked if it would be ok if I bought them directly from him. James was kind enough to account my payment for the SK bust toward the Femto bust, and I went with what Zoliv had.

On December 07, 2010 - Zoliv and I struck a deal where he sold me the following:

Casca Hawk Soldier
Femto
Griffith Hawk Soldier
Griffith Millenium Falcon
Guts & Darka
Houma Locus
Troll

He confirmed that he shipped it to me on the 14th, which was fine. The packages were received safe and sound.

Between December and January he's also asked me to send him Euros as a favor, and he'd send the same amounts back to me. He indicated he had issues at his job or health and needed help with the money. He would pay me back the money at the end of the month when his Credit Card cycle would end, which was fine by me. I obliged and he did send the moneys back to me. (This does not relate directly to the matter at hand, but I’m mentioning it to account for any interaction with him.)

He had a few other statues he wished to sell and this is what we worked out on Jan 07, 2011 (prices included, I know they’re high >_<’):

Guts On Horse 1/10 (Bloody version) : 1500€
Guts 20th Anniversary (Europa version) : 1000€
Kiretsu (Europa version) : 700€
Armored Berserk & Fire Dragon : 550€
Guts Attack Form : 300€
Boscone Exclusive II : 200€
Skullknight On Horse 1/10 (Limited version) : 1750€

I sent him 1045.20€ on Jan 08 as a first installment.

On Jan 10 he added Zodd I (Bloody With Wings) : 350€ to his sale list and I included it as part of my purchase.

Pursuant to this, I sent him 4160€ on Jan 13 and I made my final payment of the pending balance of 1150€ on Jan 29. Total 6355€.

I’d like to add here that all moneys sent to him were sent as a GIFT. I contacted Paypal back in April and they said they were liable for nothing because the transaction was not classified under the appropriate section. When sending amounts as a GIFT, the person receiving the funds does not get hit with any charge. The downside is that it’s under the Personal tab and no claims of fraud can be made once the transaction’s complete on both sides. I sent him the moneys as a GIFT because I had dealt with him before in the same way, and there was no problem at the time. I also usually bear the expense of a few dollars at my end, for the benefit of the other individual.

I was supposed to leave for India mid-February and he suggested he would wait on shipping the statues to me because it was best if I was in town. This was fine by me. Unfortunately I wasn’t able to go. I let him know on Feb 11 that my plans were cancelled and that he could ship them to me as soon as he got the chance to. On Feb 11 his email to me said "I will send them when I can during the two next weeks. I will do different packages and give you the tracking numbers when I can."

After that, I did not hear from him. Prior to this, he would get back to me within a day or two at most.

Then on Feb 23, he sent me some Euros that he wanted me to Paypal back to him with no mention of shipping my packages. He ended his email with “PS : for the packages, I'm sorry but I won't have the time before next week >_<”. I sent him the Euros back, as per his request and also asked him about whether he had shipped my packages on not. Email reminders were sent to him on Feb 23, March 11, March 22, March 27, April 06, April 10, and April 12 asking whether he shipped it or not.

He replied on April 13 indicating he was answering to all my emails, he wasn’t sure why I never received it, he was in the hospital and wasn’t able to send the packages.

His response surprised me because I knew he was going back and forth with a friend of mine and he never mentioned the hospital to that person. I confronted him about it. There was no reply for a week and I sent another reminder. He replied saying he was going to be in the hospital for a month and will send the packages out when he gets out. In my email reply, I gave him more than a month, up till May 31 to either refund all moneys or send the packages out with tracking information, by that date.

On May 27 he wrote to me saying “I am going to search some packages tomorrow I think so I may send them on saturday or at the beginning of next week (so, I won't have to move the statues with me XD)”. He indicated he was going to move into a new home and was in debt of 15,000 Euros as a result of being in the hospital. I replied asking for the tracking information or a confirmation on a possible ship date.
On June 06 he replied saying “Yes, I am in the middle of my move but I have been able to send half of the statues. I will give you the tracking numbers when I will find the papers which are in one of the packages XD”.

Consequently, emails were sent to him on June 13, June 15, June 22, June 23, June 24, June 29, July 01, July 08, July 10, July 13, July 15, July 17 and July 20 (today) with no response from him. I requested for the tracking information and a ship date.

Thanks to the awesome support and help of 3 individuals on the forum, I have 3 possible addresses for him at the moment. EDIT: The one address which Olivier himself admitted to be residing at is listed above.

Starting the end of the week I’m going to send out mails via courier to those addresses maybe twice a week or so for a month or so. I tried those numbers and unfortunately it kept ringing on me back in April. I’ll see if I can call em over the weekend. I just wanted to let everyone on the board know of this ordeal so you can stay away from any deals or dealings with this individual, or at least be aware of how he’s handled my transaction. I’m also hoping he realizes the topic exists (either by a Google search of his name or lurking the board or by my courier’d letters) and there is some positive outcome to it. There’s also the risk of the obvious negative outcome from this, but the damage has already been done at this point.

If anyone has suggestions that can help, please feel free to post about it or PM or email me, however you prefer. Again, I'd like to thank those 3 board members for all their help and patience. Thanks for reading!

EDIT: I've removed his real name + Paypal address from the topic (on 08/15/2011).
EDIT 2: I've added his real name + Paypal address + Residence address back to the post (on 09/07/2011).
EDIT 3: I've added Olivier's new Paypal address (on 10/24/2014).
Title: Re: RIPOFF ALERT for Zoliv
Post by: Rhombaad on July 20, 2011, 06:57:03 PM
Thanks for the heads up, but I would take down the addresses. That's confidential information and you could get into legal trouble for posting them without this person's permission, despite what he's done to you so far. Just a tip.
Title: Re: RIPOFF ALERT for Zoliv
Post by: IncantatioN on July 20, 2011, 07:00:31 PM
Understood, appreciate your advice, I'll take them off.

Just for my own understanding could you/ anyone PM me the disclaimer or legality over that? Do you also mean I should take down his Paypal/ Email Address from my post?

A lot of music forums post rip-off lists of record labels and addresses. I would imagine the whole 'invasion of privacy' thing, but listing a phone number (which is often found off the Yellow Pages) may not be illegal. I don't have enough resources right now since I'm on the road, but it's just a thought.
Title: Re: RIPOFF ALERT for Zoliv
Post by: Turkitage on July 20, 2011, 07:07:08 PM
 :judo: i'm sorry to hear this dude.
Title: Re: RIPOFF ALERT for Zoliv
Post by: Rhombaad on July 20, 2011, 07:56:09 PM
Understood, appreciate your advice, I'll take them off.

Just for my own understanding could you/ anyone PM me the disclaimer or legality over that? Do you also mean I should take down his Paypal/ Email Address from my post?

A lot of music forums post rip-off lists of record labels and addresses. I would imagine the whole 'invasion of privacy' thing, but listing a phone number (which is often found off the Yellow Pages) may not be illegal. I don't have enough resources right now since I'm on the road, but it's just a thought.

Here in Washington State, where I work in human resources and this type of thing comes up occasionally, addresses (personal and email) and phone numbers are considered confidential information and cannot be given out to other parties without the consent of the individual to which they belong. I'm not familiar with these types of laws in Europe or elsewhere, though. I could dig around for information on confidentiality in the United States, but that probably won't help you too much. My recommendation whenever you're dealing with information of this sort is "better to be safe than sorry," especially in an age where ridiculous lawsuits abound.
Title: Re: RIPOFF ALERT for Zoliv
Post by: IncantatioN on July 21, 2011, 04:17:34 AM
Appreciate your advice Rhombaad. For now I've left the email address that I used to correspond with him, which also apparently is his Paypal address, unless I'm advised not to (please confirm?). I don't know if it would be allowed if the situation were different. Posting addresses or phone numbers casually or for fun or for advertising gain versus posting for addressing an issue at hand such as mine may allow, MAY warrant it for transparency purposes.

:judo: i'm sorry to hear this dude.

:sad: *sob* thanks Turk. Learnt a few things the hard way.

Title: Re: RIPOFF ALERT for Zoliv
Post by: Nomad on July 21, 2011, 06:02:20 AM
Ouch. Given the circumstances I do hope there's some sort of closure to this. I'll even entertain the idea that he did may in fact have a "reason" for a massive delay.  There's always the possibility of that.  And if not?  May you at least receive a refund.  I am familiar with what you are currently feeling, and sadly there's nothing anyone can say to make it better.  I can only thank you for the warning, and update this thread as results may occur.  I do hope you get what you originally intended.
Title: Re: RIPOFF ALERT for Zoliv
Post by: IncantatioN on July 21, 2011, 04:11:06 PM
Thanks Nomad, I'm sorry to hear you went through something similar. I'll be sure to update the thread with any developments that go on. At this point, I'm not at all hopeful but I'll try to be a pest and follow up with him!

With regard to his reasons, he did mention in April that he was in and out of the hospital (this would be his reason for not sending the packages between Feb - April). He also said he continued to write to me and was baffled why I did not get his emails. I was baffled too because I did not get anything from him (I go through my Junk folders whenever I log on too). I've never had a problem with his emails before, so why now all of a sudden and that's when I started to notice the lies. I did give him more than a month to ship the statues or refund all moneys, just before the end date he said he was moving and also confirmed shipping one package out. When asked, there's been no reply. I've tried to stay calm this whole while, but it'll be 6 months soon *sigh*
Title: Re: RIPOFF ALERT for Zoliv
Post by: yesmilord on July 23, 2011, 07:38:08 PM
This is both appalling and shameful. I'm sorry for what happened IncantatioN. I hope this is resolved quickly and peacefully.
Title: Re: RIPOFF ALERT for Zoliv
Post by: Walter on July 23, 2011, 09:17:50 PM
I hope this is resolved quickly and peacefully.
I'm actually hoping it will end violently. Guy sounds like a real turd.
Title: Re: RIPOFF ALERT for Zoliv
Post by: IncantatioN on August 04, 2011, 02:34:48 PM
Yeah me too Walter ^_^ and thanks Yesmilord.

I tried to do some digging online and this is what I came up with (ADMINS/ MODS - please delete the links if mentioning them is considered illegal for posting on the forums) -

http://travel.state.gov/travel/cis_pa_tw/financial_scams/financial_scams_3155.html

http://www.ic3.gov/default.aspx

The US Dept of State website links to the ic3 site for reporting internet fraud/scams. I don't know if the amount of money involved is substantial enough for a fraud department in France to take it up; or for the concerned people at the site to forward it to the fraud department in France. The site indicates the odds of getting money back aren't that common, but its not 100% ruled out.

What do you guys think?

On another note - quick update - I've sent him 4 letters so far (confirmed delivery). Also sending him emails every 2/3 days, or whenever I can remember.
Title: Re: RIPOFF ALERT for Zoliv
Post by: IncantatioN on August 15, 2011, 03:51:58 PM
Update - Zoliv sent me an email upon receiving my FedEx'd letter (the 4th one). His financial situation has not improved per his email but he has agreed to send my statues as and when he can, with help from a friend of his. He indicates that he shall try to send them all out by the end of August and that refunding me the money wasn't an option at this point. He's asked that I delete this topic once I've received all statues, which I agreed to do in my email response. He also asked that I remove his real name and his Paypal/ email address from the topic, which I just did.

I don't know how to, but I request any MOD to help with removing his real name and his Paypal address from the consequent replies from the topic header on this thread, for example = Re: ___________________

Sorry for the inconvenience MODs, I appreciate your help!

I'm optimistic, positive start to a new week! Hopefully he keeps his word this time.
Title: Re: RIPOFF ALERT for Zoliv
Post by: Stardustgatzu on August 15, 2011, 05:20:37 PM
It s a good new for you! I am so so so happy for you!!

Good luck Incantation
Title: Re: RIPOFF ALERT for Zoliv
Post by: Gobolatula on August 15, 2011, 10:31:03 PM
I'd say wait until you receive your statues before removing anything. What a creep.
Title: Re: RIPOFF ALERT for Zoliv
Post by: IncantatioN on September 06, 2011, 04:14:56 PM
I'd say wait until you receive your statues before removing anything. What a creep.
I guess you're right on that one. I got an email from him a little over a week ago telling me, quote "Sorry for the late answer, I haven't been able to connect to Internet before. I have just given the skullknight statue to my friend, he should send it at the end of the week if he can. For the other statues, I'm sorry but I don't know when I will be able to send them since I can't manage to find enough money for the shipping. I hope I will be able to sell enough things. And another news, I have just lost my job because I have been ill (and so not working) for too much time.". I was in a good mood just before I got his email, enjoying the hurricane and it got squashed. I let him know that I removed his name, etc. as he requested but he wasn't holding up to his end of the bargain. Also told him that I needed concrete time~lines on when he would ship all statues to me. His last email said he'd send them all by the end of Aug and each time it comes close to a proposed date, something or the other would come up. So, yeah since my email there's been no response. Sent him reminders and will prolly mail the correspondence to his address for my own sanity.
Title: Re: RIPOFF ALERT for Zoliv
Post by: DirectDK on September 06, 2011, 04:28:07 PM
I guess you're right on that one. I got an email from him a little over a week ago telling me, quote "Sorry for the late answer, I haven't been able to connect to Internet before. I have just given the skullknight statue to my friend, he should send it at the end of the week if he can. For the other statues, I'm sorry but I don't know when I will be able to send them since I can't manage to find enough money for the shipping. I hope I will be able to sell enough things. And another news, I have just lost my job because I have been ill (and so not working) for too much time.". I was in a good mood just before I got his email, enjoying the hurricane and it got squashed. I let him know that I removed his name, etc. as he requested but he wasn't holding up to his end of the bargain. Also told him that I needed concrete time~lines on when he would ship all statues to me. His last email said he'd send them all by the end of Aug and each time it comes close to a proposed date, something or the other would come up. So, yeah since my email there's been no response. Sent him reminders and will prolly mail the correspondence to his address for my own sanity.

I have no sympathy for Zoliv.  He's being a douche.
Title: Re: RIPOFF ALERT for Zoliv
Post by: Turkitage on September 06, 2011, 06:13:48 PM
I guess you're right on that one. I got an email from him a little over a week ago telling me, quote "Sorry for the late answer, I haven't been able to connect to Internet before. I have just given the skullknight statue to my friend, he should send it at the end of the week if he can. For the other statues, I'm sorry but I don't know when I will be able to send them since I can't manage to find enough money for the shipping. I hope I will be able to sell enough things. And another news, I have just lost my job because I have been ill (and so not working) for too much time.". I was in a good mood just before I got his email, enjoying the hurricane and it got squashed. I let him know that I removed his name, etc. as he requested but he wasn't holding up to his end of the bargain. Also told him that I needed concrete time~lines on when he would ship all statues to me. His last email said he'd send them all by the end of Aug and each time it comes close to a proposed date, something or the other would come up. So, yeah since my email there's been no response. Sent him reminders and will prolly mail the correspondence to his address for my own sanity.

This whole situation really sucks Incantation. I'm really sorry to hear all this and the struggles of trying to get what you paid for. I know he's been ill.. and lost his job which is no good. However, the excuse is... he has no money for shipping??? Really? I'm pretty sure the BUYER pays for shipping... so how could you not have money? Because he already spent your money on other things? I would request for money back instead of the statues and not deal with this anymore, even though they both seem fruitless. It's real irresponsible to spend the money he earned from selling you the statues to not have enough for shipping... that's the biggest BS I've heard in a while. Even if he did spend it all.. he needs to put an effort into actually saving to pay you back as he wouldn't even have the money in his other issues if it wasn't for him. It's BEEN SINCE JANUARY... that's a long time.. to not be able to afford "shipping" which is like... $50 or whatever.

Either way, really sorry you have to deal with this Incantation.
Title: Re: RIPOFF ALERT for Zoliv/ Olivier Brion from France
Post by: IncantatioN on September 07, 2011, 08:48:56 PM
Thanks Turkitage, Derek and someone special. I'm lucky to have such a good support system, with good advice on the situation. I've learnt my lesson and I definitely wouldn't want anyone else to go through this.

I edited my original post and put his name + address information back. I'll leave it there till I either have all my money back or receive all my statues in the condition (mint) as agreed upon.

Yeah Turkitage, it sucks because all the shipping costs were paid for, plus I paid a hefty premium per statue by itself which was a dumb of me >_<'. In any case, I can't trust him now, I did a few weeks ago and took off his information per his request but he keeps stepping 1 place back whenever there's some progress. Giving me back my money isn't going to happen (I wish it could be done!) ... per his email on Aug 06 "I'm really sorry for the delay but because of the hospital I lost all my money. And for my first try to send you the statues, the problem is that the customs opened the box and said they were not toys so I had to get them and after I wasn't able to afford to pay a second shipping cost. So, we are going to do this way because I can't do in another way (I can't refund you) : a friend of mine will send at least the skullknight statue for me so you will be sure I will send the statues at the moment I have some money. I'm already doing everything I can to have the money to send the statues to you.
Title: Re: RIPOFF ALERT for Zoliv/ Olivier Brion from France
Post by: Walter on September 07, 2011, 09:03:47 PM
You're right not to remove any of his information. He may have made a promise to deliver the goods this time, but he's failed to deliver on his promises in the past. The burden of proof is on HIM to prove he's not a fraud. And so far he hasn't succeeded in convincing anyone on that end.

His money situation should be of no consequence, and his details of it reek of typical con-artist style emotional manipulation. You paid for goods, he should deliver them or give a full refund. End of story.
Title: Re: RIPOFF ALERT for Zoliv/ Olivier Brion from France
Post by: Grail on September 07, 2011, 09:17:01 PM
I'm really sorry to hear how this has been going down, Canty! Ever since you started this thread I've been hoping that it might be a legitimate problem on his end, but the more I hear the less credible it sounds. I really hope that you'll at least be able to receive the statues that you ordered.
Title: Re: RIPOFF ALERT for Zoliv/ Olivier Brion from France
Post by: NightCrawler on September 07, 2011, 10:45:52 PM
Considering the amount you spent on this, i'd have no second thought about my actions, hop on a plane (maybe get a friend to come with me) and resolve this the old fashioned way.
I've had similar but quite not as drastic issues, and nothing like a tangible threat right from the start to get things moving.
Title: Re: RIPOFF ALERT for Zoliv/ Olivier Brion from France
Post by: Gobolatula on September 08, 2011, 12:08:08 PM
Yeah, just show up at his doorstep...

"WHERE'S MY STATUE?"

"Uhh my friend has it."

"Come on. We're going to your friend's"

"Uhh he's on vacation."

"Where's he vacationing?"

"Uhh... Egypt?"

"Okay, we're going to Egypt then."

"Uhhhhhhh..."

This whole situation has me sick to my stomach and I would love to see that nobody ever buys from this dick again.
Title: Re: RIPOFF ALERT for Zoliv/ Olivier Brion from France
Post by: Viral Harvest on September 11, 2011, 02:10:49 AM
Skullknight.net forum field trip/angry mobbing, destination - France. Pitchforks and torches will be provided upon landing!

In all seriousness though, this is miserable and unfortunate that a simple exchange turned into complete scumbaggery. Ugh.
Title: Re: RIPOFF ALERT for Zoliv/ Olivier Brion from France
Post by: IncantatioN on September 13, 2011, 03:35:56 PM
Thanks Walt, Grail, NightC, Gob and Viral! The last few posts cracked me up on the train this morning :serpico:. I agree with everything everyone's said and it also helps me when I'm in doubt about how I should react to the seller or whether I'm justified in my request(s) or not.

Quick update - after his last email on Aug 28, I sent him 3 email reminders and he emailed me yesterday morning. I didn't know how to respond to it because he mentions a couple of things ... but I responded to him with a clear mind an hour ago. I'm posting the info here because of the ridiculous comments he makes towards the end of his email and a dumb accusation -

Olivier said -
Quote
I hope you are good.

Sorry for the late answer, I have only been able to connect to Internet now. I have some good news for YOU.

I have gathered enough money to send you a second package (with the one my friend should send this week (I don't know why he hasn't done it yet)). I will try to put in it the maximum statues I can. I haven't eaten for a week so I can do it but as I told you YOU are the first priority.

I will give you the tracking numbers as soon as they are sent.

I have checked your posts on the forum and you can say what is happening and that I am horrible but please don't lie about me... I have seen many things which are not true about the transactions and I don't understand why you are doing this. You are already the "victim" so why putting other things which are not true ??

I have just seen that you have put again my real name, residence address and mail address on the forum. Do as you want even if it's illegal... (also if you thought about the situation a little, if I was lying, regarding my situation, I would have sold the statues to someone else... But sure I'm the worst person in the world and I have been punished for it with all the things happening to me even if it started before...)

From now, I will only send mails when I can for giving you the tracking numbers and what are in the packages. I don't want to try to describe my situation since it is too tough to understand for other people and for being hated by people I even don't know... Thanks for that !

If you don't want to trust me don't trust me. I am in such a terrible situation that I don't care what you think now, the important is that I sent to you YOUR statues.

To comfort you, I will try to die in horrible pain just after I will have sent to you the last package so you will have your revenge. I may seem very strange to you but if you would have the life I have now, I don't now if you would be able to bear it...

Olivier

My response -
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Hi Olivier,

I appreciate your reply and the effort you've mentioned (below) about shipping the statues. Do thank your friend from me for helping you out.

I look forward to your email with the tracking numbers, thanks for self-acknowledging that it is something you will do after you have shipped the statues. I would appreciate it if you would let me know which statues were shipped in that package/ those packages so I can keep a track of them at my end if I have to deal with customs.

With regard to putting your real name, address and email address on the topic - it was done because (i) it is not illegal to do so, and (ii) you did not hold up to your end of the bargain when you told me you would ship my statues by the end of Aug and in return I was to take off your information from the post. At the end of the month you wrote to me that you wouldn't be able to send it, which was a pattern I had seen before if you don't mind me saying so. Hence, I came to the conclusion that you did not honor your own agreement in your email to me.

Could you tell me exactly what is untrue about our transaction(s) and what I've lied about? Be specific in your response because from ALL the emails I have and ALL the correspondence we've shared I don't see ANYTHING that is incorrect/ false. If you respond saying you don't want to get into it for some reason, I will assume you just made a pointless accusation of me lying about what's transpired. This will not be the first time you've said something and backed out of it or lied to me later.

About the trust issue, even after everything happened (with you not responding to my emails for months end when you were responding to emails from a friend of mine and gave ME some excuse when I finally took some action) I trusted you enough to give you a month to ship out the statues if you recall. You replied around the end of the month to say you couldn't ship it because you were moving. I still gave you enough time to send it after that setback. You then responded in a later email indicating that you would send the statues by the end of the month. You asked me to take out your information, which I did promptly. At the end of the month you sent me your email saying you could not send it. I feel like I'm doing everything from my side and giving in to your untrustworthy emails or demands. I still have some hope that you will send the statues because if I didn't, I would have reported you to the authorities (you have the information where I was going to report it).

I don't understand where you're coming from in your last paragraph but this ordeal isn't about 'revenge'. I don't have the time for it and this isn't fun for me. This's about me paying you money for something you sold to me over the internet and while the money was sent to you, the goods were not sent to me and it's been over 7 months since I received the goods I paid for.

If you don't eat for a whole week, that's your prerogative. Don't confuse the situation. I've paid a premium for each statue inclusive of shipping. I've mentioned this before a few times and will say it again - if you cannot ship the statues to me, I welcome you to refund me all the moneys sent to you for the transaction.

Regards

What ticked me off was his blatant lie that I wasn't putting the truth out there. I don't think he remembers anything he puts on an email. The old me would feel sorry for him and give him more time or be less stern and there'd always be a conflict whether I should be stern or not. Reading everyone's feedback has surely helped change my mind, so I thank everyone again. I thought of Walter's n Turk's last posts and what someone said to me over PM as I was replying to him.

Hopefully the next update is with tracking numbers!
Title: Re: RIPOFF ALERT for Zoliv/ Olivier Brion from France
Post by: frankencowx on September 13, 2011, 04:14:04 PM
Incantation,

I think your email to him was very good. I agree that he is "confusing the situation." He seems to be forgetting the fundamentals that led to this whole situation. I hope you find some closure with this soon.
Title: Re: RIPOFF ALERT for Zoliv/ Olivier Brion from France
Post by: DirectDK on September 13, 2011, 07:20:48 PM
I think your email to him was very good. I agree that he is "confusing the situation." He seems to be forgetting the fundamentals that led to this whole situation. I hope you find some closure with this soon.

Exactly, Oliver Brion isn't the victim here.  Oliver has no right to be upset.  Incantation has been MORE than patient and generous.

On a side note, someone ripped me off too (a member of this forum). He owes me $1500 US, since like 5 years ago (literally).  He finally paid me $500 a few months ago, surprisingly, but has been out of touch since.  I have his phone number all his various emails, but he doesn't respond to me.  I text him at least once a week.  I know it's still his number, he just never picks up or responds.  Perhaps I should start a thread on this bastard too.
Title: Re: RIPOFF ALERT for Zoliv/ Olivier Brion from France
Post by: IncantatioN on November 08, 2011, 05:52:12 PM
Quick update, rather extensive just so it's out there -

After that email I sent, On Sept 14 he emailed me back saying

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I asked and in France, to reveal someone's identity and personal information is illegal if the concerning person doesn't agree. I don't know for the USA but it is weird it is not illegal since it is on a website and it can be seen by everyone. Imagine the consequences if the identities of many people were revealed...

So, since I don't agree, I ask you to remove ALL my personal information and the quotes concerning my mails (try to understand that people who don't know the whole situation can't understand what is really happening (they only have YOUR point of view) - I saw the posts with insults said about me - they don't have to know I'm ill etc). If you don't do it in the two next days, I will ask to the administrators of the forum to do so and if they don't, I will ask to their internet provider. (I just realize that everyone can see that and if any company I may try to get in, just do a research, they may find this... That's my only way to have money again so if I can't find a job I won't be able to have the money I need to send the packages)

I don't know what is the gain you have by posting my mails on the forum since you can already see with people outside of it. So thanks to not post any mails I send. This is a personal conversation between you and I (you can transfer them to your friends but not to everyone).

For the shipping, I know that I should have sent the packages before you went on holidays in February but I feared the packages to be lost. After all the problems I had started at this moment. For the mails I didn't answer and I said I didn't receive them, in fact, I didn't know how to tell you that I was in an horrible situation (and I didn't want to worry ____ name taken off ("your friend" as you describe him in your mail) so I didn't tell anything about my illness at the beginning). I recognize I should have told you about my problems but I made a mistake I shouldn't have done.

I trust you to do all these things because I know you, I know that you are a good person and you don't do things to hurt people. You even continued to give me some time even if I had the wrong behavior. Thanks for that even if now, you don't trust me anymore.

I will send you a new mail as soon as I have an Internet connexion again.

Sorry for everything.

Regards,
Olivier

My response to him on Sept 14 -

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Hi Olivier,

Thanks for your quick reply.

I appreciate your honesty and admittance to why you stopped responding to my emails and what transpired after February. I knew you were lying to me when you said you were not receiving any of my emails and I appreciate you admitting to it now at least. It's never too late to undo a mistake.

As far as people on the forum reacting to what has transpired, it is their choice and their opinion based on the facts mentioned by me. There is no lie in anything I have mentioned. They know you were/ are ill and I've cited that in my posts. I have, in no place, misquoted you and hence I have used your own sentences to explain your situation to them (referring to the quotes I've used for you). From the get-go, I've only presented the actual facts of what has transpired between us.

Your last email accused me of lying to the forum and you have not replied, telling me what I lied about. I shall consider it as a false accusation, based on your current email unless you'd like to explain what you meant. I posted your full email for the 1st time only because of the above mentioned accusation and the part towards the end which I felt was uncalled for by your part.

With regard to your personal information posted on the forum, it is not illegal to do so. What is illegal is you having my money with you since February and not partaking in your end of a mutual agreement. I should know because I work for a Law Firm. If an attorney finds it illegal, that is IF, it will cost you more in legal fees to send a notice locally and/ internationally than to ship my statues back to me. Alternatively, I've mentioned this to you before as well - if you send me the statues in the condition as promised, I shall take off your personal information from my post on the forum.

You asked for me to take off your personal information earlier. I trusted you back then and took it off immediately. I even asked the Administrators/ Moderators to take your name off the topic reply headers on the consequent replies by other users. But, you did not do what you said you would do in exchange. So while I used to trust you before, I cannot trust you this time around. I've given you a lot of time to send the statues back to me or the moneys back to me. And since neither of that has happened, I cannot act on your current request. There has been neither any progress nor any action from your end with regard to anything we've agreed upon in this current transaction.  

Again, I shall appreciate it if you sent me the information I requested in my last email on the tracking number(s) and which statue(s) were being sent.

I apologize if this was not the email reply you were hoping for, but your actions brought us to this predicament.

Regards
Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile

Since then, I sent him emails on Sept 21, Sept 25, Sept 28, Oct 03, Oct 07, Oct 12, Oct 15, Oct 24, Oct 28, Nov 01, Nov 06 and today Nov 08.

In October, I Fedex'ed him a letter to his address with all the correspondence we've had so far, just in case. There was nobody to accept the package at the address I had for him. FedEx would not leave it without a signature and said they would return it to me. With help from a fellow member (THANKS SO MUCH!) I was able to get what appeared to be his parents' address. I called FedEx and had them re-direct the package to that said address. FedEx returned my package to me yesterday because the residents refused to accept the package.

A few minutes ago I lodged an official complaint via http://travel.state.gov/travel/cis_pa_tw/financial_scams/financial_scams_3155.html. For internet scams it redirects you to - http://www.ic3.gov/default.aspx and that's where the specifics of the complaint were mentioned and submitted.

That is the most current update.
Title: Re: RIPOFF ALERT for Zoliv/ Olivier Brion from France
Post by: Walter on November 08, 2011, 06:51:26 PM
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I don't know for the USA but it is weird it is not illegal since it is on a website and it can be seen by everyone. Imagine the consequences if the identities of many people were revealed...
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If you don't do it in the two next days, I will ask to the administrators of the forum to do so and if they don't, I will ask to their internet provider. (I just realize that everyone can see that and if any company I may try to get in, just do a research, they may find this... That's my only way to have money again so if I can't find a job I won't be able to have the money I need to send the packages)
Ohh, so now he's bringing SKnet into this? Fascinating! So,we're the bad guys because this guy failed to remit payment or complete the transaction?

Good luck with this angle in court, Brion. First of all, French law doesn't apply here for a number of reasons. Primarily because the server is hosted in the USA. But say this guy happened to live in the USA, even if this bullshit ever came to a defamation of character lawsuit, IncantatioN can easily defend his claims because his statements are grounded in fact. Defamation cases are intended for instances where facts are being exaggerated with the specific purpose of damaging someone's character.

If this guy thinks that his character is being damaged because IncantatioN is telling the world the truth of what really happened, sorry bud, that won't fly in court.

Honestly I think you're doing yourself a disservice by even acting cordial with the guy. He's still (hilariously) trying to manipulate you. Your every response should include the statement: Where's my money and/or products? You should also say that you're looking at elevating this into an international investigation.
Title: Re: RIPOFF ALERT for Zoliv/ Olivier Brion from France
Post by: Griffith on November 08, 2011, 07:22:25 PM
What an obvious bluff as he runs and hides. You should tell him that you'd love for him to turn this, and himself, over to the authorities. And that if he doesn't, you will.
Title: Re: RIPOFF ALERT for Zoliv/ Olivier Brion from France
Post by: Stardustgatzu on November 08, 2011, 07:45:48 PM
I CAN t stand brion's behaviour! He s just a little girl without balls and honour!

In opinion, IncantTion, you were too nice with him! You must contact authorities because it is only what he deserve!
Title: Re: RIPOFF ALERT for Zoliv/ Olivier Brion from France
Post by: Madam President on November 08, 2011, 09:42:56 PM
Oh, man! The GALL of this thieving ass! I so wish I could see karma sucker punch the guy in the nut sack! Call this rat out on his bluff!!

Incantation, I really hope all of this gets squared away for you! :judo:
Title: Re: RIPOFF ALERT for Zoliv/ Olivier Brion from France
Post by: IncantatioN on November 08, 2011, 11:28:45 PM
Ohh, so now he's bringing SKnet into this? Fascinating! So,we're the bad guys because this guy failed to remit payment or complete the transaction?

Honestly I think you're doing yourself a disservice by even acting cordial with the guy. He's still (hilariously) trying to manipulate you. Your every response should include the statement: Where's my money and/or products? You should also say that you're looking at elevating this into an international investigation.
His reasoning has never made any sense, I've noticed it through his emails where he's sounded angry (again, doesn't make sense why) or when he wrote more than a paragraph.

Yep, I hopped on to that site I mentioned earlier and started an investigation this afternoon before I ran out to pick up lunch. I gave the specifics of what had transpired till today. The site emailed me a Login ID and Password to access the complaint and check on its progress or make any additions/ changes, as I please. I'm hoping they act a bit quickly on it, I have everything in terms of a paper-trail if and when they need it.

Apart from that website, I'm not sure who else I could contact. I welcome any suggestion(s)!
Title: Re: RIPOFF ALERT for Zoliv/ Olivier Brion from France
Post by: Handmade on November 09, 2011, 12:19:20 AM
Never did trust an "Olivier."
Title: Re: RIPOFF ALERT for Zoliv/ Olivier Brion from France
Post by: Gobolatula on November 09, 2011, 12:55:05 AM
Never did trust an "Olivier."
I did and still do. (http://www.skullknight.net/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=2782)
Title: Re: RIPOFF ALERT for Zoliv/ Olivier Brion from France
Post by: Rhombaad on November 09, 2011, 01:31:57 AM
I did and still do. (http://www.skullknight.net/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=2782)

Goddamn right. :puck:
Title: Re: RIPOFF ALERT for Zoliv/ Olivier Brion from France
Post by: Grail on November 09, 2011, 03:44:56 AM
Best of luck with getting this all sorted out. This has gone on for far too long, and it's time that you got what's yours.
Title: Re: RIPOFF ALERT for Zoliv/ Olivier Brion from France
Post by: IncantatioN on January 04, 2012, 03:29:03 PM
Been sending him reminder emails constantly, but the one I sent this morning bounced, I fear he's either deleted his email address or that it's a Hotmail thing. It's been weird with him and I think he lurks the board. When I made that post on 11/08, he or someone sent me an email on the same day in the evening. I notice the same thing happened the last time I made a post on here and he wrote back. So anyway, here's what the email on 11/08 said -

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Hello Mister,
You don't know me but I am a friend of Olivier. I didn't want to be involved in his problems but knowing his situation and as a friend, I wasn't able to ignore them. He gave me the password of his mail account 3 weeks and a half ago. He told me to use it only if there was something wrong with his email address because he can't use it himself and I would say that's also because he doesn't accept the help from others (I asked him to come to my appartment to connect on Internet but he didn't want because I have already helped him before >_>)
He told me to not open any mail but I saw a mail from you so I wanted to see if it was the problem he has with someone about some statues (I am the one he asked to send a statue some months ago but he told to not do it because he didn't know if he would be able to pay me back).
I would never imagine this problem was so big... And that he should have sent you the statues from February ! That's a long period and I don't know how you managed to stay calm with him since you don't know him in real life... (If I was you, I would have never believed all his whole situation).
I want to say that his whole situation is real. It is hard to believe but he has all these problems... I don't want to force you to believe this story because you have been more than patient !
For your information, Olivier has lost his appartment at the end of September because he wasn't able to pay the rents... He doesn't have any home since this issue... He also had to tell everything about his situation to his parents and they helped him as much as they can but they don't want to be involved in his different problems... Last week, he finally was able to find a work but he will be paid only at the end of the month. When he told me that, he also adds that he will use this money to resolve his problems (I think one of these problems is you).
So, I'm asking you a favor because I don't want him to have another huge problem : can you wait until the first days of December before doing anything about him ? (please do as you wish, I would understand you don't want to wait for another month). If, on the 03/12/2011, he doesn't give you the tracking numbers of all your statues, you can do what you want about him. Because, if when he will have finally money again, he doesn't send you the statues, I will also have the same point of view as you about him and I won't be his friend anymore...
If you have any question about him, please ask me, I will try to help you as much as I can. But, please I don't want to be involved in this problem except for information...
Thanks in advance for your understanding. I would understand if you don't want to wait since I won't have let as much time as you if it arrived to me (but he is my friend and I don't want him to have more trouble that he already has).
I know that he feel very bad because of all these things and I apologize for his wrong behaviour.
Regards.

I did respond to the email and have been sending reminders regularly. I sent another FedEx package with our correspondence to the address I have for him and the person (recipient) at the door refused to accept it again, like last time. This was sent back to me. Mid December, I sent him the same correspondence through USPS's international mail and that hasn't come back to me as yet.

There's been no contact with the ic3.gov guys since the complaint was posted.
Title: Re: RIPOFF ALERT for Zoliv/ Olivier Brion from France
Post by: IncantatioN on November 23, 2012, 06:13:38 PM
So after his 'friend's email from his own account in Nov of last year, he sent me an email from the same account under the name Cloud Gist. He had deactivated his Hotmail account and I guess restored it.

May 02

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It has been a while since I answered you. I'm really sorry about that. My friend answered you in November and I thanks him to have told you about my situation. I don't want you to try to understand the whole situation which happened since because of my problems, you had to wait so much time and you suffered from it. I managed to pay all my hospital costs and found a good job in the beginning of February. I had a lot of firends who helped me to not give up when I was at the bottom. Now, I will try to give you what I owe you as soon as possible.
So, I will send you the "Boscone" statue on Monday (I don't have any appartment yet so, I will use the address of my parents for the moment. So, please don't use this address against me since it is my parents' one >__<). After, I will send you money or send you the other statues when I will be able. For the skullknight forum, if you are okay, I would prefer that you let the post you have done on me and don't answer in it (please keep for you and your friends the fact I'm sending statues and giving you back the money). Only when I will have given everything to you, you can put a message to say I have finally done it and ask to delete the post. If you are okay to delete my real name, my real address and my mail address when I send you a part of what I owe you, I would be very grateful =) I know that I can't do anything to go back in the past and change everything but I hope you will forgive me one day. I would understand if you can't >_< Thanks again for all your understanding of the last year >__< Have a nice day. Cheers,

I went on to ask him to send me a list of what statues he's sending me or what amounts of money to be exact. He sent me Boscone only. The statue of the least value from what he owed me.

On May 21

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I totally agree with what you said. We suggested the same thing. I really don't know if I will send statues or refund you. I have to make a decision and let you know what I will do. I will try at least to send you some money at the beginning of next month. I saw that you received the package, I hope the statue arrived safely. Have a nice day. Cheers, Olivier

I responded and got a reply on May 22

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I decided that I will pay you back all the statues. For me, you paid the statues at a bigger price than the one on the market. So, this way, you will be able to buy the statues at a "normal" price and you will have more money for you. Is it ok for you ? Cheers, Olivier

On June 04

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I should send you 500 euros at the end of the week. I don't know how much time it will take to send all the money to you. I will try to do the best I can.

On June 11

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How are you ? I'm sorry but I won't be able to send you some money now. I have been asked to pay a rent this month and I didn't know they would want it. Sorry to not have sent a mail before but I wasn't sure they would really ask it. Don't worry, for the next months, I will anticipate the rent so I can give you money. I will send you money at the end of the month (in three weeks). Thanks for your understanding. Have a nice day.

That's the last I heard from him. Sent him 23 reminders by email.

I will post him letters next week of the transcript and use Google Translate to translate it French. I'm hopeful someone at his residence reads it and something happens.
Title: Re: RIPOFF ALERT for Zoliv/ Olivier Brion from France
Post by: sovel on November 23, 2012, 08:21:01 PM
I read this topic, when I don´t have acc. now I check this again. This is unforgivable impudence ! good luck ! but I be afraid, that piece of shi... don´t send any money or statue :( so shame, this people make me angry. You want buy something but this cheater got you, I know this, I been cheat too but I don´t send LOOOOT money as you O_o

Don´t give up! try debt Collection on France, contact a company what this deals ...
Title: Re: RIPOFF ALERT for Zoliv/ Olivier Brion from France
Post by: andrewdsz on November 23, 2012, 08:56:13 PM
That is one of the biggest bs I heard over the Internet..... ....gl w u man.
Title: Re: RIPOFF ALERT for Zoliv/ Olivier Brion from France
Post by: Stardustgatzu on November 24, 2012, 09:31:12 PM
I will post him letters next week of the transcript and use Google Translate to translate it French. I'm hopeful someone at his residence reads it and something happens.

I can help you to translate in French.

My English isn't perfect but I can do it (better way than google translate).
Title: Re: RIPOFF ALERT for Zoliv/ Olivier Brion from France
Post by: Death May Die on November 25, 2012, 03:27:36 AM
With all the back-ass-ward exchanging he attempted to do, how much are you in the hole now when its all said and done?
Title: Re: RIPOFF ALERT for Zoliv/ Olivier Brion from France
Post by: IncantatioN on November 25, 2012, 05:11:15 PM
Thanks guys, I'm going to try to follow up as much as I can. Things get easier with the internet but anything sent hard copy holds better than email reminders. I've been grateful to all the help I've received from a particular member on the board to help me track him down the best that can be done.

DMD, so far it's over 6000 euros including shipping money sent.
Title: Re: RIPOFF ALERT for Zoliv/ Olivier Brion from France
Post by: Hanma_Baki on November 25, 2012, 07:04:20 PM
...over 6000 euros...
F**k me in BOTH ears!!!  :o :o :o
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Just wow...I really hope you nail this bastard...
Go Rick on his ass! (http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m6x0jpUsxN1r3y241o1_1280.jpg)
Title: Re: RIPOFF ALERT for Zoliv/ Olivier Brion from France
Post by: mibu_shinrei on November 28, 2012, 02:03:01 PM
Holy Sh*t!!!
Just read this thread and can't believe what I've read.
Really feel sorry for you Incantation :(

If you need any translation in french don't hesitate to ask!
Title: Re: RIPOFF ALERT: Zoliv/ Olivier Brion from France
Post by: Ahmetal on August 07, 2014, 05:20:54 PM
BloodyDevil, who was a guest on the forum, is selling another zodd vs wyald on eBay. He sold one here then bought another and is selling again. I sent him payment through paypal/eBay. He refunded it saying that it froze his ability to make payments. He requests I send the money to his friend's paypal, who happens to be non other than Olivier Brion. I got an invoice from Olivier detailing that it is for the zodd wyald statue seen on eBay being sold by his friend. Part of me is super worried. On the other hand I called paypal explaining the situaion and they said there is nothing to worry about and that I can make a claim and get my money back. They assured me that my money would be safe in such a transaction. As long as it is payment for goods. What do you all think?
Title: Re: RIPOFF ALERT: Zoliv/ Olivier Brion from France
Post by: Aazealh on August 07, 2014, 05:30:38 PM
BloodyDevil, who was a guest on the forum, is selling another zodd vs wyald on eBay. He sold one here then bought another and is selling again. I sent him payment through paypal/eBay. He refunded it saying that it froze his ability to make payments. He requests I send the money to his friend's paypal, who happens to be non other than Olivier Brion. I got an invoice from Olivier detailing that it is for the zodd wyald statue seen on eBay being sold by his friend. Part of me is super worried. On the other hand I called paypal explaining the situaion and they said there is nothing to worry about and that I can make a claim and get my money back. They assured me that my money would be safe in such a transaction. As long as it is payment for goods. What do you all think?

Sounds like trouble. Be patient and wait for another opportunity.
Title: Re: RIPOFF ALERT: Zoliv/ Olivier Brion from France
Post by: IncantatioN on August 07, 2014, 07:51:59 PM
Agree with Aaz, you will find that statue online at some point in time and hopefully sold via a reliable source. Your call in the end, thanks for sharing your recent experience and keep us posted if anything else comes up.
Title: Re: RIPOFF ALERT: Zoliv/ Olivier Brion from France
Post by: Sankari on August 07, 2014, 08:44:41 PM
I had lots of great negotiations with Skullers ( sovel, startdustzgatsu, berserkberserk )
But all it took was 1 dodgy guy, to make me very suspicious.

On the internet you can NEVER be too careful. Go only with people you trust, and have a reputation.


I'd say - don't fall for that offer, even if you're protected, they're experts, and they've probly conned people before. Even if paypal covers it, they could use some trick to delay everything, or to try and prove that they sent the correct item, so you'll be fighting for your money for a while, and might even lose.
Title: Re: RIPOFF ALERT: Zoliv/ Olivier Brion from France
Post by: Ahmetal on August 07, 2014, 11:37:20 PM
Thanks guys. I am tying to get him to accept the payment to his own account after providing some photos. But I think in the end I will have to cancel the transaction. In fact, he already suggested I go ahead and cancel since I won't send the money to his friend. I want this statue so bad it's clouding my judgment. He's great on paper and he sold to members here including stardustgatzu, who vouch for him. So since I saw that I had no worries. I would have had ZERO reservation or suspicion had he not asked me to send the payment to his friend that seems like the guy this thread is based on.
But I would hate to draw the wrong conclusion about this seller. I think I would hate being duped even more. I guess if I were selling something for that much money I would make sure my paypal account wasn't at the limit and I would make sure the buyer could send money to my paypal without it freezing my account. I would make sure to send pics with a current newspaper too, if that's what the buyer wanted/needed. But what do I know, paypal could be screwing him.
But you guys are also right about the price. I guess I should take everyone's, including the sellers, advice and cancel....although, I wish he never refunded the money, sorted the issue with paypal and sent me a zodd vs wyald, instead of trying to have me send the money to someone who could easily and accidentally be confused as the person this thread is based on, even though he very well may not be the same person. I would never want to raise someone's suspicion by asking them to send/redirect money to someone that They could mistakenly confuse with another unfavorable person. We spoke about the forum. How could I not get nervous and make this connection? The seller has informed me that I made an erroneous connection and though I feel bad I also feel there was grounds for suspicion and I can't personally prove myself wrong or right. This mistake of identity of his friend was an accident waiting to happen. Anyway, as I said, I feel a bad, as if I am hassling this seller. I just want to cover all my bases and dare I say, am still hopeful for a positive transaction. But all signs point to cancel.

Update: the seller is making efforts to resolve PayPal issues so I can deal directly with him. He is also preparing pictures of the statue.
Title: Re: RIPOFF ALERT: Zoliv/ Olivier Brion from France
Post by: andrewdsz on August 08, 2014, 01:37:34 AM
Paypal sometimes turns very ugly to buyers if they decided the seller did send the correct item. Don't fell for some deep shi-t and learn your lesson the hardest way.

Don't be stupid bro.
Title: Re: RIPOFF ALERT: Zoliv/ Olivier Brion from France
Post by: Ahmetal on September 03, 2014, 01:39:55 AM
Paypal decided in my favor and I was reimbursed at the end of the investigation. The item was shipped but the post office mishandled it, dropping and breaking the box and statue in many places. Post office called the shipper in to see the destruction. I got no tracking or pics for it but yeah, total tragedy about the statue. Anyway I'll try and get from YJA since it just got listed. Thanks to all for your responses and help.
Title: Re: RIPOFF ALERT: Zoliv/ Olivier Brion from France
Post by: IncantatioN on October 26, 2014, 02:05:43 PM
Quick update - I've included what appears to be Olivier Brion's new Paypal address to the front page - darker_than_hei@hotmail.fr

This came to light because of a fraudulent transaction Ahmetal was unfortunately on the receiving end of. You can read his post at the bottom of Page 2 for a quick refresher. Ebay user luciole_hotaru requested Ahmetal to send the money for the Zodd & Wyald statue to his friend - Olivier Brion and Olivier's name triggered Ahmetal's suspicion.

Few careful observations that led me to believe that both Olivier's were the same person -

1. both have a hotmail.fr email ID and share the same name
2. the new Paypal address is linked to a series Darker Than Black and a character called Hei. Back in 2011 when I was trying to get in touch with Olivier after his fraud, a common friend who was commissioned by Olivier back then said (and I quote from his email to me) "He sent me measurements of his face so that I may finish his Darker than Black Hei Lee masks".
3. both Olivier's have a Berserk connect with transactions/ fraud (!)

At the time of Ahmetal's purchase, Ebay user luciole_hotaru insisted the connection was a mistake. In the end, the transaction fell through. Paypal issued a refund to Ahmetal. I'll give you details of the deal-gone-wrong soon.
Title: Re: RIPOFF ALERT: Zoliv/ Olivier Brion from France
Post by: Shautieh on December 09, 2015, 08:35:30 PM
Oh, that's so fucked up...

If I lived near Nantes, I would go throw shit on his house  :rickert: (and if I was you, I think I would have thrown out 2 grands more to go to Nantes and teach him a lesson).


Edit : I haven't read every messages, but why didn't you try to contact the police ? That's a lot of money, so even if Paypal won't do anything, I guess they should help you.