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Title: Skullknight.NET Podcast: Berserk Movie Edition
Post by: Walter on May 24, 2012, 01:10:01 AM
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Berserk Movie Edition: http://skullknight.net/podcast/Podcast-Berserk_Movie_Edition.mp3
 (http://skullknight.net/podcast/Podcast-Berserk_Movie_Edition.mp3)

The Skullknight.NET admins share their opinions on the recent Berserk animated movie, and folks it's not pretty. Berserk deserves better.
Title: Re: Skullknight.NET Podcast: Berserk Movie Edition
Post by: Griffith on May 24, 2012, 01:27:21 AM
Here's a quick summary of our viewing experience:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g3ythpzsu18#t=0m08s


I'd like to preemptively say not to mistake our detailed criticism of the film with mere nitpicking of an otherwise passable product. That actually undermines how fundamentally broken I thought it was. My reasonable hope going into the movie was that, rather than a faithful adaptation of Berserk, it would just be something cool in its own right (that's fair, and I secretly really wanted to like it). I hoped that it would be something I could show friends to expose them to Berserk in the most casual way possible. But, it wasn't. It was bad. Like I said, it was fundamentally broken, jarringly so, not just as an adaptation, or as a Berserk movie, but just as a movie at all. It's just a badly constructed movie, one that unfortunately happens to be a Berserk movie. So, more than our many specific Berserk-related complaints, that's what I ultimately take away from it, and I hope you will too (not that you have to agree; appreciate it as a piece of Berserk iconography or however you will, but just understand where we're coming from). But hey, if we just said that, it would've been a pretty short podcast. =)
Title: Re: Skullknight.NET Podcast: Berserk Movie Edition
Post by: Proj2501 on May 24, 2012, 02:02:02 AM
The three of you hit nearly every issue I had with the movie.
Title: Re: Skullknight.NET Podcast: Berserk Movie Edition
Post by: Jaze1618 on May 24, 2012, 04:06:02 AM
This is all so sad.. so so sad :judo:

Really appreciate the special podcast guys. Didn't expect anything so fast.
Title: Re: Skullknight.NET Podcast: Berserk Movie Edition
Post by: Dar Klink on May 24, 2012, 04:21:39 AM
Well, that was depressing. This podcast made me wish it had gone the way of the JoJo's Bizarre Adventure: Phantom Blood movie which adapted the first part of JoJo. Rumors say it was so bad that Araki, the mangaka, asked for it to never come out on DVD, and it didn't. More truthfully, the fans boycotted the movie after hearing about the cuts to it, seeing the poorly done animation, and feeling betrayed, so the studio saw that a DVD release would just be more lost money. Instead of being "that shitty movie that ruined what I love" it's a sort of holy grail for the fanbase. For Berserk, we have not just this one embarrassing film, but two more coming after it and being hyped like crazy. :sad:

I'll still watch it, but I won't defend it any longer or recommend it to anybody. I feel bad for Miura, especially because he's not the type who would say he didn't want to see it released and the fanbase isn't niche or big enough to boycott it and affect that in any real way. It's right in the middleground where this type of half-assed effort is possible. :mozgus:

It almost feels like the flashback Miura is doing is a sort of "sorry you had to see that movie, here's some Guts as a child to make up for it."
Title: Re: Skullknight.NET Podcast: Berserk Movie Edition
Post by: Aazealh on May 24, 2012, 06:48:40 AM
I feel bad for Miura, especially because he's not the type who would say he didn't want to see it released and the fanbase isn't niche or big enough to boycott it and affect that in any real way.

Yeah, definitely.

It almost feels like the flashback Miura is doing is a sort of "sorry you had to see that movie, here's some Guts as a child to make up for it."

The timing is uncanny, but honestly I think it's just a coincidence.
Title: Re: Skullknight.NET Podcast: Berserk Movie Edition
Post by: Truder on May 24, 2012, 08:08:25 AM
I can see it now.. "A berserk man rips anime director's right eye out at the French premier of Berserk Golden Age Arc I: Egg of the Supreme Ruler"  :ganishka:

Thank you guys for doing this quick podcast! I still want to see the movie very badly though! :griffnotevil:

..but you guys successfully made me feel bad for Miura. :sad:
Title: Re: Skullknight.NET Podcast: Berserk Movie Edition
Post by: hellrasinbrasin on May 24, 2012, 08:42:42 AM
..but you guys successfully made me feel bad for Miura. :sad:

Its bad one because Miura was duped into believing that these guys could do the job
they swore they could. Its much worse when the community and the writer are
collectively taken for a ride.
Title: Re: Skullknight.NET Podcast: Berserk Movie Edition
Post by: SuperVegetto on May 24, 2012, 09:21:45 AM
Well, that was depressing. This podcast made me wish it had gone the way of the JoJo's Bizarre Adventure: Phantom Blood movie which adapted the first part of JoJo. Rumors say it was so bad that Araki, the mangaka, asked for it to never come out on DVD, and it didn't. More truthfully, the fans boycotted the movie after hearing about the cuts to it, seeing the poorly done animation, and feeling betrayed, so the studio saw that a DVD release would just be more lost money. Instead of being "that shitty movie that ruined what I love" it's a sort of holy grail for the fanbase. For Berserk, we have not just this one embarrassing film, but two more coming after it and being hyped like crazy. :sad:

I'll still watch it, but I won't defend it any longer or recommend it to anybody. I feel bad for Miura, especially because he's not the type who would say he didn't want to see it released and the fanbase isn't niche or big enough to boycott it and affect that in any real way. It's right in the middleground where this type of half-assed effort is possible. :mozgus:

It almost feels like the flashback Miura is doing is a sort of "sorry you had to see that movie, here's some Guts as a child to make up for it."


That's pure assumption. We have no idea how good the 2nd and 3rd movie will be. They will be longer and have better animation from what's been shown, not so sure if they will be failures or not, but even so you guys are very attached to the manga. It is a masterpiece work of literature, so of course you might watch good movies and claim them as bad because you are used to one of the best stories ever thus will not be impressed by lesser quality stories. I hope that if they continue the project, they don't make the other adaptions ( OVA, movie whatever ) as bad as this one if it's as bad as you're saying.


Edit: I listened to the podcast a little and read more reviews by admins, I have to say I can understand why you call it that bad now. What I'm most worried about is the lack of emotion as some admin ( which one was that btw?) said on the podcast and  that the characters weren't true to themselves as some other member said
Title: Re: Skullknight.NET Podcast: Berserk Movie Edition
Post by: Walter on May 24, 2012, 10:06:37 AM
That's pure assumption. We have no idea how good the 2nd and 3rd movie will be.
Actually, we have a pretty good understanding of what to expect from the future movies, seeing as how they are being developed by the same production staff, and were being created right alongside the first movie, not as a response to fan reaction.

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They will be longer and have better animation from what's been shown,
Yeah, that's not this movie's only problem and I wish people could understand that. It's how it's constructed. An extra 10-20 minutes would not resuscitate this movie. Even the scenes that are elongated fall flat.
Title: Re: Skullknight.NET Podcast: Berserk Movie Edition
Post by: SuperVegetto on May 24, 2012, 10:08:26 AM
Actually, we have a pretty good understanding of what to expect from the future movies, seeing as how they are being developed by the same production staff, and were being created right alongside the first movie, not as a response to fan reaction.
Yeah, that's not this movie's only problem and I wish people could understand that. It's how it's constructed. An extra 10-20 minutes would not resuscitate this movie. Even the scenes that are elongated fall flat.

Then they fucked the whole thing up. That sucks, really sad
Title: Re: Skullknight.NET Podcast: Berserk Movie Edition
Post by: mazinken on May 24, 2012, 10:10:21 AM
 I really enjoyed this podcast it made me laugh so hard great job guys. I can live without seeing this piece of s***. Maybe I am going to rent it whenever it becomes available in video stores near to me just to see how bad of an adaption it is.

I think Mr. Miura had a weird smile because he wanted to laugh at this garbage but at the same time he is remembering that this supposed to be an adaption of his work I feel for him.

If they are going to treat the other movie the same way as this one they can forget about their ambition of doing along adaption since their not pleasing the fans or newcomers no wonder the movie bombed at the box office I can imagine people seeing the movie then telling their friend and relatives to not waste time by seeing it.

It is a shame as I was very excited for it but someday I am sure that their will be a respectful adaption of berserk until then lets continue to enjoy the masterpiece which is the manga.
Title: Re: Skullknight.NET Podcast: Berserk Movie Edition
Post by: SuperVegetto on May 24, 2012, 10:26:05 AM
I really enjoyed this podcast it made me laugh so hard great job guys. I can live without seeing this piece of s***. Maybe I am going to rent it whenever it becomes available in video stores near to me just to see how bad of an adaption it is.

I think Mr. Miura had a weird smile because he wanted to laugh at this garbage but at the same time he is remembering that this supposed to be an adaption of his work I feel for him.

If they are going to treat the other movie the same way as this one they can forget about their ambition of doing along adaption since their not pleasing the fans or newcomers no wonder the movie bombed at the box office I can imagine people seeing the movie then telling their friend and relatives to not waste time by seeing it.

It is a shame as I was very excited for it but someday I am sure that their will be a respectful adaption of berserk until then lets continue to enjoy the masterpiece which is the manga.
If this adaption fails you really think there will be another?
And the movie didn't do bad at all in the box office, considering how it showed in only around 90 screens, it did pretty well.
Title: Re: Skullknight.NET Podcast: Berserk Movie Edition
Post by: hellrasinbrasin on May 24, 2012, 10:27:24 AM
Yeah, that's not this movie's only problem and I wish people could understand that. It's how it's constructed. An extra 10-20 minutes would not resuscitate this movie. Even the scenes that are elongated fall flat.

Thank you. I believe I touched on that in the film discussion thread several pages ago. If you are going to adapt a property like this from book to screen
you're looking at a bare minimal of 230 - 240 Minutes per film across 4 films. You would need 4 because outside of the battlefield campaigns , the main/supporting
characters, the political intrigue between the Nobles, material that could be borrowed from The Retribution/Millennium Falcon Chapter(s), you had the story itself.

If in the future another studio tries to adapt the property I want the folks behind The Lord of Rings production in charge.
Title: Re: Skullknight.NET Podcast: Berserk Movie Edition
Post by: SuperVegetto on May 24, 2012, 10:32:11 AM
Thank you. I believe I touched on that in the film discussion thread several pages ago. If you are going to adapt a property like this from book to screen
you're looking at a bare minimal of 230 - 240 Minutes per film across 4 films. You would need 4 because outside of the battlefield campaigns , the main/supporting
characters, the political intrigue between the Nobles, material that could be borrowed from The Retribution/Millennium Falcon Chapter(s), you had the story itself.

If in the future another studio tries to adapt the property I want the folks behind The Lord of Rings production in charge.
Yeah if you gave studio C'4 the same budget as Lord of the Rings they would make everything perfectly (probably)
It's too short hence can't have enough material, however it seems they still made mistakes in the rest they decided to include to the movie. However if it was long enough I think they would have made it good
Title: Re: Skullknight.NET Podcast: Berserk Movie Edition
Post by: Walter on May 24, 2012, 10:34:20 AM
And the movie didn't do bad at all in the box office, considering how it showed in only around 90 screens, it did pretty well.
What's your information based on? I remember saying something like that just after its first week, but it fell off the charts in its third week. Based on the data available, all we know is that it made a little over $1.3 million. That's not a success.

It's too short hence can't have enough material, but even though it seems they still made mistakes in the rest they decided to include to the movie. However if it was long enough I think they would have made it good
Seriously, man. Shut up. First of all, you haven't seen the movie. So don't try talking about how it could  have been improved. And as I've now said three times, a few extra minutes would not have saved this movie. Maybe you'll understand once you've seen it.
Title: Re: Skullknight.NET Podcast: Berserk Movie Edition
Post by: mazinken on May 24, 2012, 10:37:24 AM
If this adaption fails you really think there will be another?

Yes I do believe as long the manga still running there will always be an adaption you can't ignore a name like berserk this why the company tried to make cash based on in it is name in the first place. If other works can have have different adaptions from different companies then berserk is no exception even if this movie fail.
Title: Re: Skullknight.NET Podcast: Berserk Movie Edition
Post by: hellrasinbrasin on May 24, 2012, 10:39:41 AM
Yeah if you gave studio C'4 the same budget as Lord of the Rings they would make everything perfectly (probably)
It's too short hence can't have enough material, however it seems they still made mistakes in the rest they decided to include to the movie. However if it was long enough I think they would have made it good

As with any production it comes down to having the right people put in charge of a production like this.
Title: Re: Skullknight.NET Podcast: Berserk Movie Edition
Post by: SuperVegetto on May 24, 2012, 10:41:57 AM
What's your information based on? I remember saying something like that just after its first week, but it fell off the charts in its third week. Based on the data available, all we know is that it made a little over $1.3 million. That's not a success.
Seriously, man. Shut up. First of all, you haven't seen the movie. So don't try talking about how it could  have been improved. And as I've now said three times, a few extra minutes would not have saved this movie. Maybe you'll understand once you've seen it.

I said long enough, which means as long as it would need to be good, not just a few extra minutes. Whether it needed 40 extra minutes, an hour or an hour and a half
Title: Re: Skullknight.NET Podcast: Berserk Movie Edition
Post by: Walter on May 24, 2012, 10:43:52 AM
I said long enough, which means as long as it would need to be good, not just a few extra minutes. Whether it needed 40 extra minutes, an hour or an hour and half
Running time is not the only problem with the movie.
Title: Re: Skullknight.NET Podcast: Berserk Movie Edition
Post by: SuperVegetto on May 24, 2012, 10:45:51 AM
Running time is not the only problem with the movie.

I know, but I wonder if they would make the same decisions if they had enough budget for a much longer duration.

From what I heard on podcasts and from reviews here, the biggest problems were that it was too rushed (newcomers won't be able to understand from what I heard ) and without emotion. A longer duration could fix the first one. It was their mistake for the second
Title: Re: Skullknight.NET Podcast: Berserk Movie Edition
Post by: Walter on May 24, 2012, 10:49:00 AM
From what I heard on podcasts and from reviews here, the biggest problems were that it was too rushed (newcomers won't be able to understand from what I heard ) and without emotion. A longer duration could fix the first one. It was their mistake for the second
There are dozens of problems. You've named two of them.
Title: Re: Skullknight.NET Podcast: Berserk Movie Edition
Post by: hellrasinbrasin on May 24, 2012, 10:49:26 AM
Running time is not the only problem with the movie.

Walter's responses on the topic of run time are sounding oddly familiar. That and
the same question is being asked repeatedly. I'm waiting for Walter to start
generating automatic No's for every question about the films run time as it is not
the only problem
.

Title: Re: Skullknight.NET Podcast: Berserk Movie Edition
Post by: SuperVegetto on May 24, 2012, 10:55:16 AM
There are dozens of problems. You've named two of them.
Yeah I know I was just citing what sounded the worst to me. Anyway do you think that there could be new Berserk animes in the future if the trilogy fails? I like anime when done well especially if it adapts a masterpiece like Berserk, but some guy of Lucent Studios that decided to ask Miura to give the studio the right for an anime got rejected and he said Miura had tens of offers he rejected but Miura gave them the green light later when they showed him a high quality 77 seconds Berserk anime, and they were the only ones to do so. Hope it wasn't a problem asking your opinion here
Title: Re: Skullknight.NET Podcast: Berserk Movie Edition
Post by: hellrasinbrasin on May 24, 2012, 11:03:33 AM
For me the problems were

- The lack of Characterization
- The discarding of the Themes
- The Narrative Structure (or lack there of)
- The Soundtrack * I did love the insert and ED Theme by Hirasawa
- The Butchering of the Story
- The hybrid animation style
- The Voice Actors
- The Run Time
- The Marketing
- The fact that the Production Team didn't really care about the Project
- The fact that the Director thought he was cute by inserting material from the end of The Golden Age Arc in the End Credits.
Title: Re: Skullknight.NET Podcast: Berserk Movie Edition
Post by: Walter on May 24, 2012, 11:06:11 AM
Anyway do you think that there could be new Berserk animes in the future if the trilogy fails?
No, I don't think it's likely to happen. It depends on the success of the other movies in this trilogy, but given the standard set by the opening act, I don't think it will grow a significant amount of new viewers with subsequent releases. And that's unfortunate for a number of reasons—first and foremost, it makes Berserk look like something that isn't worthy, when it's really a matter of the skill of those who adapted it.

I think a tightly focused story like the Black Swordsman Arc, which doesn't jump around in time every few volumes, could have been something special. Adapting the Golden Age first turned out to be a big mistake in my opinion (surprise).

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but some guy of Lucent Studios that decided to ask Miura to give the studio the right for an anime got rejected and he said Miura had tens of offers he rejected but Miura gave them the green light later when they showed him a high quality 77 seconds Berserk anime, and they were the only ones to do so. Hope it wasn't a problem asking your opinion here
The scenario you just described was told in an interview with the producer of the anime, shown a few months back.

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Hope it wasn't a problem asking your opinion here
Like I said in the review thread, it's painful for me to have to explain how something I love was adapted into such a trainwreck. It's something I'd hoped to avoid having to do, at length. Hence my displeasure. People should just watch it themselves and come to their own conclusions.
Title: Re: Skullknight.NET Podcast: Berserk Movie Edition
Post by: SuperVegetto on May 24, 2012, 11:15:11 AM
No, I don't think it's likely to happen. It depends on the success of the other movies in this trilogy, but given the standard set by the opening act, I don't think it will grow a significant amount of new viewers with subsequent releases. And that's unfortunate for a number of reasons—first and foremost, it makes Berserk look like something that isn't worthy, when it's really a matter of the skill of those who adapted it.

I think a tightly focused story like the Black Swordsman Arc, which doesn't jump around in time every few volumes, could have been something special. Adapting the Golden Age first turned out to be a big mistake in my opinion (surprise).
The scenario you just described was told in an interview with the producer of the anime, shown a few months back.
Like I said in the review thread, it's painful for me to have to explain how something I love was adapted into such a trainwreck. It's something I'd hoped to avoid having to do, at length. Hence my displeasure. People should just watch it themselves and come to their own conclusions.

Okay sorry. I won't ask you anymore. I know how you feel because these reviews pretty much ruined my day, I guess I had expectation even though not so high, the real thing was way below. I'm worried about the newcomers, since people who read the manga know it's a masterpiece. I think I can at least find the movie entertaining, even if it's much worse than the manga, have yet to see it though, then I will know
Title: Re: Skullknight.NET Podcast: Berserk Movie Edition
Post by: Proj2501 on May 24, 2012, 11:16:19 AM
I think a tightly focused story like the Black Swordsman Arc, which doesn't jump around in time every few volumes, could have been something special. Adapting the Golden Age first turned out to be a big mistake in my opinion (surprise).

Giving regular movie goers a Black Swordsman movie first makes the most fucking sense. Guts vs the Snake Baron and the Count. End with the Godhand and mystery. If the goal is to, I don't know, maybe acquire more fans (= $$$) then why not give something that people will ache to see MORE of, not less?

Hook with action then follow up with story. Like the manga does.  :schierke:

I had two people I was very much looking forward to showing the movie to, as to get them into Berserk. As it stands, fuck it, that's why I have you guys.
Title: Re: Skullknight.NET Podcast: Berserk Movie Edition
Post by: hellrasinbrasin on May 24, 2012, 11:30:33 AM
I think that when it comes down to it Berserk has had only one success story outside of manga format.
Title: Re: Skullknight.NET Podcast: Berserk Movie Edition
Post by: Proj2501 on May 24, 2012, 11:31:08 AM
Which is?
Title: Re: Skullknight.NET Podcast: Berserk Movie Edition
Post by: hellrasinbrasin on May 24, 2012, 11:40:55 AM
Which is?

The Tv-Series even though it carries an infraction of omitted characters (Skull Knight, Wyald, and Puck) it
was still a hundred times better than the film.
Title: Re: Skullknight.NET Podcast: Berserk Movie Edition
Post by: ryOtoha on May 24, 2012, 02:21:36 PM
My reasonable hope going into the movie was that, rather than a faithful adaptation of Berserk, it would just be something cool in its own right. I hoped that it would be something I could show friends to expose them to Berserk in the most casual way possible.
That's the only thing I was hoping for. I didn't listen to the podcast yet but basically, I understand that Kenpū Denki Berserk stands as the best adaptation of Berserk. What a shame...
Title: Re: Skullknight.NET Podcast: Berserk Movie Edition
Post by: JoeZeon on May 24, 2012, 08:59:02 PM
Now that we've seen the movie, does it change your opinion of the Anime series now? I think it reaffirms what I personally think. That it's really damn good, even before the movies came out. Unfortunately it seems more likely to me that we'll never see post-golden age animated, which is what I was personally looking forward to.
Title: Re: Skullknight.NET Podcast: Berserk Movie Edition
Post by: Turkitage on May 24, 2012, 09:01:07 PM
Oh!! New podcast! Didn't even see this earlier. Oh, skullknight.net you treat me so well.

Update: I think I have a new favorite Aaz quote, "Everything is so stupidly done."
Or maybe Griffith's, "It was worse than I thought." I just can't decide. :ganishka:

I won't even get into parts where Aaz said he'd start killin people!

At least I learned a new word: Perfunctory!
Title: Re: Skullknight.NET Podcast: Berserk Movie Edition
Post by: Walter on May 24, 2012, 10:11:55 PM
Update: I think I have a new favorite Aaz quote, "Everything is so stupidly done." Or maybe Griffith's, "It was worse than I thought." I just can't decide. :ganishka:
Oh, I'm pretty sure we have some better quotes than that. Like Aaz' threats.

Subject aside, I thought this was one of our best podcasts all around.
Title: Re: Skullknight.NET Podcast: Berserk Movie Edition
Post by: Henry Spencer on May 24, 2012, 10:56:41 PM
Oooh boy. Sounds really bad. To me, it sounds like a case of bad direction...if an adaptation is nothing more than a montage, rather than an actual movie, there is no real structure. Has the film's director worked on much before? And what do you guys fear for the next movie? More cuts? More montages? More out of character moments?

Will this film even appeal to new fans, if you have no idea what is going on, it sounds so convoluted (in a bad way).
Title: Re: Skullknight.NET Podcast: Berserk Movie Edition
Post by: hellrasinbrasin on May 24, 2012, 11:01:38 PM
Will this film even appeal to new fans.

No it doesn't even appeal to established fans. If anything it will run off
potential new fans whose only exposure to the series will have been
through this Montage film.
Title: Re: Skullknight.NET Podcast: Berserk Movie Edition
Post by: Aazealh on May 25, 2012, 08:01:00 AM
Now that we've seen the movie, does it change your opinion of the Anime series now?

Absolutely not. Why would it?

I think it reaffirms what I personally think. That it's really damn good, even before the movies came out.

I'll have to strongly disagree. It's far from being "damn good".

Has the film's director worked on much before?

Don't think so.

And what do you guys fear for the next movie? More cuts? More montages? More out of character moments?

I expect more of the same.

Will this film even appeal to new fans, if you have no idea what is going on, it sounds so convoluted (in a bad way).

I don't think the people that will be introduced to Berserk by this movie are very likely to become fans.
Title: Re: Skullknight.NET Podcast: Berserk Movie Edition
Post by: Rhombaad on May 25, 2012, 07:37:05 PM
I have to admit, after thinking about it for a few days and listening to this podcast, I'm looking at the movie in a new light.

When I watched it the other night, I think my expectations were so low that I walked away from the movie having, for the most part, enjoyed it. Now that I've had a chance to think about it for a few days, and after listening to the complains you three had about the film, I don't think I can bring myself to watch it again.

To be honest, it was a lot like my experience with the Watchmen film. The first time I saw it, I enjoyed it. The next time...not so much. Looking back on that experience, I think it was not only a combination of seeing some of my favorite moments in the graphic novel acted out, which I very much enjoyed, but that I was expecting a horrible, horrible experience, which wasn't the case. The next time I saw it, I spent the entire time analyzing each scene and came to the conclusion that I wish I had come to during my first viewing experience: it just wasn't that good.

Same with the Berserk film. What I enjoyed was seeing Berserk animated...but what I didn't think about while watching the movie, was that I wasn't seeing Berserk animated; I was seeing a caricature of Berserk, an imitation. And that's really what this film is: an imitation of our beloved manga, an attempt at reaching the standard Miura set and not coming close.

As for the next two films...I have no desire to see them. If they end up making a Black Swordsman movie after this trilogy is wrapped up, I might take a gander, but until then, I'm going to pretend that this project doesn't exist anymore.

For those who purchased the Blu-ray or DVD, are you going to hold on to it? I almost don't want it in my apartment. I like the illustration by Miura on the slip cover, but I just can't justify holding onto the Blu-ray for that alone, and I'm not sure what I'd do with it if I kept the slip cover itself.

On the bright side, at least we got a decent Hirasawa song out of all this. :serpico:
Title: Re: Skullknight.NET Podcast: Berserk Movie Edition
Post by: Walter on May 25, 2012, 08:25:31 PM
On the bright side, at least we got a decent Hirasawa song out of all this. :serpico:
In retrospect, I kind of already forgot about Aria. I can take it or leave it. Song left no impression on me. I rediscovered the CD when cleaning out my desk, and I was like, "Oh yeah, he made a new song... Huh."

In a complete reversal, I think AI's track ended up being the better song,  (http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=endscreen&NR=1&v=U8NDDzEeNAI)even though I hated it at first. Check out the music video. The art and scenes work quite a bit better than in the movie :ganishka:
Title: Re: Skullknight.NET Podcast: Berserk Movie Edition
Post by: SuperVegetto on May 25, 2012, 08:47:29 PM
In retrospect, I kind of already forgot about Aria. I can take it or leave it. Song left no impression on me. I rediscovered the CD when cleaning out my desk, and I was like, "Oh yeah, he made a new song... Huh."

In a complete reversal, I think AI's track ended up being the better song,  (http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=endscreen&NR=1&v=U8NDDzEeNAI)even though I hated it at first. Check out the music video. The art and scenes work quite a bit better than in the movie :ganishka:

That's really strange lol, to me Aria is the second best song ever after Sign. Heard it hundred of times and still gets better every time I hear it. And yeah that video was nice
Title: Re: Skullknight.NET Podcast: Berserk Movie Edition
Post by: Aazealh on May 25, 2012, 09:33:39 PM
For those who purchased the Blu-ray or DVD, are you going to hold on to it? I almost don't want it in my apartment. I like the illustration by Miura on the slip cover, but I just can't justify holding onto the Blu-ray for that alone, and I'm not sure what I'd do with it if I kept the slip cover itself.

It's a collector's item to me, nothing more. It'll go sit on the shelf with my LDs of the '97 TV series and gather dust for a few decades.

In a complete reversal,I think AI's track ended up being the better song,  (http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=endscreen&NR=1&v=U8NDDzEeNAI)even though I hated it at first. Check out the music video. The art and scenes work quite a bit better than in the movie :ganishka:

I agree completely, as you know. I found her song to be great right from the start and in my opinion nothing else comes close in the OST (and that clip is miles above the film). It's too bad it wasn't put to better use in the movie. As for Aria, it's good enough, but not among Hirasawa's best works to me.
Title: Re: Skullknight.NET Podcast: Berserk Movie Edition
Post by: hellrasinbrasin on May 26, 2012, 04:39:53 AM
You know after looking at director Toshiyuki Kubooka's portfolio I now understand how he could have fucked this project up.

BAOH (OAV) : Key Animation
Batman: Gotham Knight (movie) : Director (ep 5)
BECK: Mongolian Chop Squad (TV) : Storyboard (ep 4)
Daimaju Gekito Hagane no Oni (OAV) : Assistant Animation Director
Dennō Coil (TV) : Key Animation (eps 1-2)
Engage Planet Kiss Dum (TV) : Sub-Character Design
Gala (movie) : Animation Director
Gankutsuou: The Count of Monte Cristo (TV) : Storyboard (episodes 3, 10, 15, 20)
Giant Robo (OAV) : Storyboard (eps 1-2), Character Design, Animation Director (eps 1-2), Key Animation (eps 1-2)
Gin Rei (OAV) : Character Design
Gunbuster (OAV) : Chief Animation Director, Animation Director (eps 1, 4), Animation Character Design, Animation, Key Animation (ep 2)
(The) IDOLM@STER (TV) : Original Character Design
iDOLM@STER: Live For You! (OAV) : Original Character Design
IDOLM@STER: XENOGLOSSIA (TV) : Original Character Design
Lupin III: The Legend of the Gold of Babylon (movie) : Key Animation
Mobile Suit Gundam 0080: War in the Pocket (OAV) : Animation Director
Nadia - The Secret of Blue Water (TV) : Storyboard (eps 12, 31, 39), Animation Director (2,20,36)
Odin - Starlight Mutiny (movie) : Key Animation
Origin ~Spirits of the Past~ (movie) : Key Animation
Project A-Ko (movie) : Key Animation
Project A-Ko 2: Plot of the Daitokuji Financial Group (OAV) : Key Animation
Project A-ko 3: Cinderella Rhapsody (OAV) : Key Animation
Requiem from the Darkness (TV) : Literary Manager
Shanghai Dragon (movie) : Storyboard, Unit Director
Title: Re: Skullknight.NET Podcast: Berserk Movie Edition
Post by: Walter on May 26, 2012, 04:52:21 AM
I dunno, is that such a bad resume? Key animator on Project A-Ko, that's a pretty good start to a career.

He also did character designs and art design for Lunar: The Silver Star Story.
Title: Re: Skullknight.NET Podcast: Berserk Movie Edition
Post by: hellrasinbrasin on May 26, 2012, 05:06:45 AM
I wasn't implying it was a bad resume Walter in fact its a good one. But that doesn't explain how Toshiyuki could have gone from doing quality work in those projects to this...
Title: Re: Skullknight.NET Podcast: Berserk Movie Edition
Post by: SrCraneo on May 26, 2012, 06:40:31 AM
So what do you mean you now understand how he fucked up... if that can't explain it?
Title: Re: Skullknight.NET Podcast: Berserk Movie Edition
Post by: mazinken on May 26, 2012, 06:52:27 AM
All of the work that has been listed shows that he is involved as a character designer or as an animation director it is just not the same as being a director which is a completely different job.
Title: Re: Skullknight.NET Podcast: Berserk Movie Edition
Post by: hellrasinbrasin on May 26, 2012, 07:04:23 AM
So what do you mean you now understand how he fucked up... if that can't explain it?

That in those projects in the departments he worked in he did his job but when it came time to step up to the plate as Director of a "Major Motion Picture" he couldn't hack it. He couldn't do his job because he had no experience as a Director before this film project.
Title: Re: Skullknight.NET Podcast: Berserk Movie Edition
Post by: Aazealh on May 26, 2012, 07:25:09 AM
All of the work that has been listed shows that he is involved as a character designer or as an animation director it is just not the same as being a director which is a completely different job.

Yep, his only "real" major directing experience before this movie was one of the Batman: Gotham Knight sections, which was nothing special IMHO. Let's not blame it all on one guy though, there might have been unknown circumstances that somewhat forced his hand as well. Just the fact they went from one single movie to a trilogy mid-production is a clear indication that something was wrong with the project. I'll never understand how anyone could have believed for even an instant that they could adapt the entire Golden Age arc into a single movie.
Title: Re: Skullknight.NET Podcast: Berserk Movie Edition
Post by: Henry Spencer on May 26, 2012, 01:11:22 PM
Well, here's the writer of the movie, Ichirō Ōkouchi's resume:

Anime

    Turn A Gundam (Screenplay; 1999)
    Angelic Layer (Series composition, screenplay; 2001)
    A Gundam II: Moonlight Butterfly (Screenplay; 2002)
    OVERMAN King Gainer (Series composition, screenplay; 2002)
    Azumanga Daioh (Series composition, screenplay; 2002)
    RahXephon (Screenplay; 2002)
    Wolf's Rain (Screenplay; 2003)
    Stellvia of the Universe (Screenplay; 2003)
    Planetes (Series composition and screenplay; 2003)
    Mahou Sensei Negima! (Series composition, overall plot and screenplay; 2005)
    Eureka Seven (Screenplay; 2005)
    Brave Story (Screenplay; 2006)
    Code Geass: Lelouch of the Rebellion (Original story, series composition, screenplay; 200607)
    Code Geass: Lelouch of the Rebellion R2 (Original story, series composition, screenplay; 2008)
    Shigofumi: Letters from the Departed (Series composition, screenplay; 2008)
    Magic Tree House (Screenplay; 2011)
    Guilty Crown (Assistant series composition; 2011)
    Berserk Golden Age Arc I: Egg of the Supreme Ruler (Screenplay; 2012)

Not seen any of them, but heard plenty of praise for Planetes and Wolf's Rain. No idea about the rest. EDIT: Wait, it appears he is the only writer on the three films.
Title: Re: Skullknight.NET Podcast: Berserk Movie Edition
Post by: SuperVegetto on May 26, 2012, 01:24:11 PM
Isn't the writer (Ichiro Okuchi) responsible for the mistakes instead of the director? Sorry if this was a stupid question, not so well used to the english terms
Title: Re: Skullknight.NET Podcast: Berserk Movie Edition
Post by: Henry Spencer on May 26, 2012, 01:33:31 PM
Well, yeah, he was the guy who wrote the scenes, right? Regardless though, we will never know what happened during production, directors can change script as they want to adhere to the production length. The producers could be like pointing at the calendar and saying, "we need this production finished by XX-XXXX, hurry it up" and then the director could chop scenes here and there, or maybe the writer was the guy deciding what stayed and what goes, who knows?
Title: Re: Skullknight.NET Podcast: Berserk Movie Edition
Post by: Walter on May 26, 2012, 06:22:29 PM
If anyone wants to be on tomorrow's podcast, let me know via PM (http://www.skullknight.net/forum/index.php?action=pm;sa=send;u=1). I'd like to have on anyone (up to 5 max) who wants to share their opinion of the movie—positive or negative, doesn't matter. Let's hash it all out together.

We'd be recording at 1 p.m. EST Sunday afternoon, and it would last about an hour. Having a mic that works and Skype installed are the only prerequisites.

We'll also be talking about the upcoming E3 and what we expect from it, so be prepared to say a little about that.

Hope I get a few of you guys, sorry for the short notice! Wasn't sure if I was going to be able to record tomorrow or not.
Title: Re: Skullknight.NET Podcast: Berserk Movie Edition
Post by: IncantatioN on May 26, 2012, 06:39:46 PM
DAMN! I'm going to be stuck at work (as I am right now). Can't wait to hear the new podcast.

Quick question for whoever's on the podcast - What do you think of Zodd's overall movements during his encounter with Guts? How do you perceive him to be in battle (generally speaking in terms of his speed/ agility)? In Apostle form, he's shown big and slow in the movie 1. Wonder what sort of precedent that sets for movie 3 when Apostles attack the branded Hawks,
Title: Re: Skullknight.NET Podcast: Berserk Movie Edition
Post by: hellrasinbrasin on May 26, 2012, 09:07:54 PM
Isn't the writer (Ichiro Okuchi) responsible for the mistakes instead of the director?

No. Both the writer and Director are the dynamic duo responsible for the product that was produced and released.
Title: Re: Skullknight.NET Podcast: Berserk Movie Edition
Post by: SrCraneo on May 28, 2012, 05:35:59 AM
I thought you guys were exaggerating at least a little, but now that I saw it you are not :C. It didn't feel like berserk at all, and I wanted to like it so much, but it was too rushed, the story was not the same, it badly animated, and with a below average soundtrack too.  :judo:
Title: Re: Skullknight.NET Podcast: Berserk Movie Edition
Post by: hellrasinbrasin on May 28, 2012, 06:14:59 AM
I thought you guys were exaggerating at least a little, but now that I saw it you are not :C. It didn't feel like berserk at all, and I wanted to like it so much, but it was too rushed, the story was not the same, it badly animated, and with a below average soundtrack too.  :judo:

The Soundtrack didn't even have a pulse... About the only note worthy piece of music from this production was AI's Beautiful Things and its Music Video. In fact the Music Video for Beautiful Things was the single best piece of Directing and production I have seen from the marketing for the film.
Title: Re: Skullknight.NET Podcast: Berserk Movie Edition
Post by: enjoy on May 29, 2012, 07:47:39 PM
I listened to the pod cast and I have to agree on everything you guys said.
I was expecting a mediocre experience but after watching 30 minutes I got really disappointed where things were going.
The backgrounds and landscapes looked gorgeous , but the CGI was awkward at times and I was not impressed by the voice acting.
Hopefully the second movie isn't as bad.  :azan:
Title: Re: Skullknight.NET Podcast: Berserk Movie Edition
Post by: Arles on August 09, 2012, 01:59:46 AM
Hello!
I'm new here, and I have to say I'm really impressed by the work you have put up with this site.  :ubik:

To stay on topic, I enjoyed listening to the podcast, and agreed with almost everything, although I wasn't as personally offended as you guys by this film, if we can call it that.
I do think, as you've stated, that the major changes that were introduced didn't add anything to the "Berserk experience", and in any case, they mislead future fans of each character's personality and motivations.

Thanks again for building such a great place for Berserk fans, and thanks for allowing me here. I'll do my best to keep up with your knowledge about this amazing world and its characters!  :guts: