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Title: Episode 331
Post by: Aazealh on October 10, 2012, 10:11:02 AM
Title: 流星 - Shooting star




Brief summary: The merrows are guiding the ship to Skellig. The boy disappears. Schierke thinks the boy might be from Elfhelm, or that he might even be the King of the Flower Storm himself. There's also mention of a branch relating to the moon, which clearly refers to the 5th and 8th pictures of the preview. Branches, sure, but of what tree? Ganishka's? The Elf King's, if he's associated to a plant like Chich? Extremely interesting.

That at least can explain how the boy can travel seemingly anywhere he wants: the tree (whichever it is) is astral in nature and big enough that it goes through the full moon, like through a portal. And what about Schierke's guess? It makes sense from her point of view, but given what we know and the hints we've had, it seems wrong somehow. Unless the boy is a projection from the king himself and is meant to look like Guts & Casca's son would have on purpose, as a way to mend what has to be. Crazy theories.

In other news, Miura wants to move to a new place.
Title: Re: Episode 331
Post by: Gobolatula on October 10, 2012, 11:06:16 AM
To be fair... The boy first showed up at the same time Skull Knight mentioned the King of the Flower Storm to Guts. But it really REALLY doesn't explain everything. This is all very interesting.

Like, specifically, why does he cling to Casca so much?

Also, The Moonlight Boy's STRANGE STARE FROM A DISTANCE is really starting to worry me a lot. Whatever it means. If this kid is Griffith, and Griffith is conscious in there, that look could be, "Thaaaat's riiight. LEAD ME TO WHERE THE WIZARDS ARE....."
Title: Re: Episode 331
Post by: Walter on October 10, 2012, 11:27:38 AM
This is a fascinating new development. I like the possibility Schierke presents, but I'm still not sure that all of the pieces fit...  :farnese:

Exciting stuff! With no additional narrative elements indicated in the preview, it seems as though the course is clear to land at Skellig within an episode or two.

We get to see a little bit of Guts in one of the panels with Puck and Ivalera. Looks like he's all bandaged up. Hope the big ol guy is okay...

And once again I question whether or not the final panel is actually the one of the boy, or if it'll be something else... like the island coming into view (how many times have I said this exact statement?  :ganishka: )
Title: Re: Episode 331
Post by: JezzaX on October 10, 2012, 11:34:42 AM
Yes! Fantastic stuff! It looks like we're going to get some VERY interesting developments in the next few episodes.
Title: Re: Episode 331
Post by: Griffith on October 10, 2012, 01:36:43 PM
I still believe it's Guts', Casca's and Griffith's baby (that stare on the last preview panel); though, when you put it that way a guiding spirit doesn't seem such a silly alternative. But why would the King of the Flower Storm care to help Guts and Casca (http://www.skullknight.net/forum/index.php?topic=12059.0) before even meeting them? Do you think he and Skull Knight have exchanges like this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oasqjPHpxyI :SK:

Exciting stuff! With no additional narrative elements indicated in the preview, it seems as though the course is clear to land at Skellig within an episode or two.
And once again I question whether or not the final panel is actually the one of the boy, or if it'll be something else... like the island coming into view (how many times have I said this exact statement?  :ganishka: )

I hope your double jinxes cancel each other out. :guts:
Title: Re: Episode 331
Post by: Gobolatula on October 10, 2012, 03:02:29 PM
Can someone tell me what "NEET" means?
Title: Re: Episode 331
Post by: RaffoBaffo on October 10, 2012, 03:12:34 PM
Can someone tell me what "NEET" means?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NEET#Japan
Title: Re: Episode 331
Post by: Johnstantine on October 10, 2012, 04:12:01 PM
Wow that's really fucking cool. I never in a million years would have guessed.
Title: Re: Episode 331
Post by: jackalj on October 10, 2012, 05:04:48 PM
When I see Puck like that (exhausted?) he reminds me of the Mandragora from Sword of the Berserk: Guts' Rage
Title: Re: Episode 331
Post by: Walter on October 10, 2012, 05:06:26 PM
When I see Puck like that (exhausted?) he reminds me of the Mandragora from Sword of the Berserk: Guts' Rage
Hehe, it's his shape. He and Ivalera are probably spent after exhausting their dust on Guts.  :guts:
Title: Re: Episode 331
Post by: Aazealh on October 10, 2012, 05:08:40 PM
When I see Puck like that (exhausted?) he reminds me of the Mandragora from Sword of the Berserk: Guts' Rage

Was reminded of Munch's "The Scream" myself.

He and Ivalera are probably spent after exhausting their dust on Guts.  :guts:

Reminiscent of their talk at the end of volume 27, after his first use of the armor. :guts:

P.S. Needless to say, and before anybody asks, Berserk will be in the next issue.
Title: Re: Episode 331
Post by: Johnstantine on October 10, 2012, 05:25:45 PM
P.S. Needless to say, and before anybody asks, Berserk will be in the next issue.

Thank god.
Title: Re: Episode 331
Post by: Gobolatula on October 10, 2012, 06:17:48 PM
I wonder what "Shooting Star" means...
Title: Re: Episode 331
Post by: TheBranded1 on October 10, 2012, 06:18:39 PM
The kid is not Guts and Casca's?? :isidro: :isidro: The is puts a spin on the story I sure wasn't expecting. Did Flora sent a message to make sure they do get there and that's why they kid is with them. Maybe he is not the Elf King but someone taking orders from him to protect Guts and company.
Title: Re: Episode 331
Post by: Aazealh on October 10, 2012, 06:34:02 PM
The kid is not Guts and Casca's?? :isidro: :isidro: The is puts a spin on the story I sure wasn't expecting. Did Flora sent a message to make sure they do get there and that's why they kid is with them. Maybe he is not the Elf King but someone taking orders from him to protect Guts and company.

I wouldn't get too carried away if I were you. The similarities with the Demon Child are much too strong for them to be a coincidence as far as I'm concerned.
Title: Re: Episode 331
Post by: JoeZeon on October 10, 2012, 06:40:39 PM
Excited that we're back on the road as far as the manga is concerned. But I think people are jumping to conclusions a little soon on whether or not the moonlight child is the elf king or not. Schierke may be correct in her assessment, but like Aaz mentioned she doesn't have the same kind of info we as readers or Guts for that matter have.

In any case my guess is a lot of our preconceived notions are going to be challenge or altered while on Elfhelm. If this does prove to be true, then we'll know how high the bar has been set for sure.
Title: Re: Episode 331
Post by: pupuce on October 10, 2012, 07:28:38 PM
Great episode and the beast is coming back slowly !!!
can't wait about next  :???:
Title: Re: Episode 331
Post by: Walter on October 10, 2012, 07:42:00 PM
I wouldn't get too carried away if I were you. The similarities with the Demon Child are much too strong for them to be a coincidence as far as I'm concerned.
Agreed, and certainly nothing conclusive yet given that all we have is preview text. However, this episode's events do add new wrinkles into our understanding of the child that we have to take into account, not the least of which is this new presumed moon/tree astral fast-travel.  

As for Schierke's guess that it could be the Elf King or some such, I could see that being a wrong guess. And if it's revealed that she was wrong, she'll then wonder: "Then who...?"  :griffnotevil:
Title: Re: Episode 331
Post by: Gobolatula on October 10, 2012, 07:51:28 PM
HOLY SHIT WHAT AN EPISODE.
Title: Re: Episode 331
Post by: Irvine on October 10, 2012, 08:03:49 PM
I don't know what they are saying and where does this tree come from?  :???: At least now we know how the boy travels.
Title: Re: Episode 331
Post by: Buy Berserk! on October 10, 2012, 08:04:20 PM
Incredible episode indeed!
Title: Re: Episode 331
Post by: Walter on October 10, 2012, 08:12:54 PM
Wow! What an episode! :isidro: It's like a smorgasbord of everything that makes Berserk great, all crammed into one episode.

That ending really brought a smile to my face, just a fantastic development. Also, it doesn't appear to me that the star is headed in the direction of the ship so... probably still Griffith.
Title: Re: Episode 331
Post by: Aazealh on October 10, 2012, 08:15:53 PM
Also, it doesn't appear to me that the star is headed in the direction of the ship so... probably still Griffith.

Of course. :carcus: And now we know why he doesn't need Zodd anymore: he's got the Ganishka-Tree to travel anywhere he pleases! :schnoz:

But what if Griffith himself can use it to travel anywhere in the world as well? Is Elfhelm really safe after all? Too many possibilities! :rakshas:
Title: Re: Episode 331
Post by: Irvine on October 10, 2012, 08:19:24 PM
Confusing. If the boy is indeed Griffith does it mean the boy has some evil intentions and protects Guts and Casca because he plans something?
Title: Re: Episode 331
Post by: Gobolatula on October 10, 2012, 08:22:20 PM
There is seriously so much going on in this episode it's hard to list it all.

I really want to know what Farnese is saying / thinking. She looks very upset.

Guts recalling what Skully said again. About the armor's effect on him I presume.

The ending was ASTOUNDING. Yeah, I agree with Walter. I'm thinking Griffith too.

I'm actually surprised at how well Guts looks. I was expecting a much bigger mess. I guess those elves really worked hard.

We finally got a new closeup of Puck's "normal" face!

Is that really the Ganishka tree?
Title: Re: Episode 331
Post by: Aazealh on October 10, 2012, 08:29:50 PM
Confusing. If the boy is indeed Griffith does it mean the boy has some evil intentions and protects Guts and Casca because he plans something?

Nah, it's more complicated than that. It's an old theory really. In short, Guts & Casca's son, which was previously known to us as the Demon Child, cared for his parents despite his hideous appearance. He finally met his end during Femto's incarnation ceremony, in volume 21, when he fell down exhausted after protecting Casca from Mozgus' fire breath and was swallowed by the Beherit Apostle. He then became the vessel for Femto's coming into flesh, and was transformed into the new Griffith while inside the egg. To sum it up, his body was overtaken by Femto and transformed to look like Griffith. Now, one thing that Griffith apparently didn't plan for is that he still retained some of the boy's feelings, as shown in volume 22 when he watched Zodd and Guts fight, and when he protected Casca from the falling boulders. So it seems the boy didn't completely disappear.

Now, in volume 28, a new character is introduced to us: the Moonlight Boy. That boy arrives there all of the sudden, naked, and is found by Casca. She immediately takes to him despite her condition, much like she'd done with her son before. The boy looks like a mix between her and Guts too, and despite being shy, he does have a clear interest in Guts himself. The boy is shown to have an incredible power, and is described as a "superior being". The kind of power a being like Femto might possess, but we know he isn't inherently evil, both through his actions and through the fact the brands didn't bleed in his presence. He leaves as suddenly as he appeared. Another troubling detail: that night, we know Zodd was there, watching what was going on with the group and the child from the top of a cliff, hidden. Why was he there? What was he doing? We don't know. But maybe he'd brought the boy there himself, or was curious as to what he was doing. Either way, it's extremely interesting.

More recently the boy's appeared again, and has again helped his (supposed) parents. But this time, while Guts looked at him in his astral form (his body of light), his hair looked different than it does in the corporeal world. It was curly... Like Griffith's. All these little tidbits hint at the fact that somehow, when the moon is full, the boy whose body was overtaken by Femto is able to wander on his own, as himself, and to use some of Griffith's incredible powers at his whim. That's the gist of the theory.

Is that really the Ganishka tree?

If we go by the classic Demon Child/Griffith theory then mostly certainly, yes. I mean what other tree would that be?
Title: Re: Episode 331
Post by: Irvine on October 10, 2012, 08:36:06 PM
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Is that really the Ganishka tree?

The Ganishka tree reminds me of Yggdrasil. According to norse mythology the gods made it from the corpse of a giant. It's the biggest and most beautiful tree and it's branches are spread through the nine worlds, connect them and reach the sky. The boy travels through the sky. So perhaps it might be indeed the Ganishka tree.

Also thank you for the explanation Aazealh.
Title: Re: Episode 331
Post by: jackson_hurley on October 10, 2012, 08:46:25 PM
On page 14 is it Schierke interpretation of the King of Flower Storm?

Anyways great great great episode! Very beautiful! Miura is really doing incredible work with each episode!
Title: Re: Episode 331
Post by: Aazealh on October 10, 2012, 08:50:05 PM
On page 14 is it Schierke interpretation of the King of Flower Storm?

Yes.
Title: Re: Episode 331
Post by: Gobolatula on October 10, 2012, 08:53:26 PM
Guts is gonna need a monacle.
Title: Re: Episode 331
Post by: TheBranded1 on October 10, 2012, 09:17:38 PM
It is a great episode. Seems Farnese is upset that Guts has to go through all that trouble to protect them(wait until translation is available). Beast of darkness makes a cameo :beast:. Guts seems to be frustrated that Skully's details about the armor are appearing more vivid now poor guy :sad:. That tree fast-travel was sure surprising, it does seems to be Griffith with evidence you guys brought up. Oh shit, this just got more exciting, if it wasn't already, for those who just complain about the pace of things. This is a huge development! :ubik:
Title: Re: Episode 331
Post by: Gaahl on October 10, 2012, 09:27:50 PM
Just wow...
I thought the page of the Moonlight Boy looking down from under the moon was the last page, but... :isidro:
The branches do look like those  of the Ganishka tree to me, though there is one thing about them that makes me wonder:
They seem translucent. The last time we saw the Tree, it appeared solid. So is there something to the tree we don't know about?
Is it growing even now in the very deep layers of the world and the new branches slowly appear as the layers continue to merge? I was under the impression that the merging was complete after the light swept the earth...

Regarding Shierkes guess about the identity of the boy: What I find interesting about this are the implications for the Elf king.
If the boy is indeed who we think he is and has access to at least a part of Femtos power, than I read this as Schierke thinking the King is a being of comparable power.
Maybe I read to much into this (hell, I don't even know what they are saying), but the thought that there might be things around now that are even comparable to the God Hand is just too fascinating to dismiss it.
Title: Re: Episode 331
Post by: Aazealh on October 10, 2012, 09:41:11 PM
One thing that I noticed earlier but forgot to comment on: Isma has regained her legs. I wonder how that works.

The branches do look like those  of the Ganishka tree to me, though there is one thing about them that makes me wonder:
They seem translucent. The last time we saw the Tree, it appeared solid. So is there something to the tree we don't know about?

Well given its nature and how it was created, it always seemed pretty obvious that there'd be more to it than just being a huge tree, don't you think?

Is it growing even now in the very deep layers of the world and the new branches slowly appear as the layers continue to merge? I was under the impression that the merging was complete after the light swept the earth...

I think the full moon plays a key role here. It enhances magical power in general, as you know.

Maybe I read to much into this (hell, I don't even know what they are saying), but the thought that there might be things around now that are even comparable to the God Hand is just too fascinating to dismiss it.

The king was always presented to us as a being of extraordinary power though. But the way I see it, I don't think it'll necessarily be comparable to a member of the God Hand. For example his powers might be awesome, but not in a way that can be used for violence. I.e. being able to cure Casca or preserve someone from death (like a certain Gaiseric) doesn't mean he could (or would be willing to) also slay apostles by the dozen.

Anyway, regarding the boy, Schierke says she doesn't feel his Od around the ship. Then they wonder if he's some sort of spectre or astral creature. Schierke confirms that he has a non-human Od, but tells them that he's not harmful to humans.

Magnifico says that it's a world first for humans to be accompanied by so many merrows. Isidro says he can't believe they're guiding them to Elfhem and wonders if it's because Isma is with them. She tells him it's nothing after what they've done for them, having helped them defeat the Sea God. He then asks her if she shouldn't be swimming with her mom now that she's found her, but she replies that for now she's happy to be with them. Meanwhile, Farnese is helping with Guts' treatment by flowing her Od to him through the laying on of her hands.
Title: Re: Episode 331
Post by: Gaahl on October 10, 2012, 10:26:04 PM
The king was always presented to us as a being of extraordinary power though. But the way I see it, I don't think it'll necessarily be comparable to a member of the God Hand. For example his powers might be awesome, but not in a way that can be used for violence. I.e. being able to cure Casca or preserve someone from death (like a certain Gaiseric) doesn't mean he could (or would be willing to) also slay apostles by the dozen.
I wasn't suggesting that the king would or could do any of that.
But to me this is indication that the god hand might just not be as far above everything else as I used to think, so by comparable I didn't mean in terms of actual abilities but more in terms of magnitude.
Now that I think about it, Skullknight pretty much implied this as well when he explained to Schierke why the apostles attacked Floras home...

But now for something completely different:
Out of all the things that happen in this episode, I somehow love the moment where Schierke refreshes exhausted Puck and and Ivalera the most.
Title: Re: Episode 331
Post by: Walter on October 10, 2012, 10:29:28 PM
I wasn't suggesting that the king would or could do any of that.
But to me this is indication that the god hand might just not be as far above everything else as I used to think, so by comparable I didn't mean in terms of actual abilities but more in terms of magnitude.
I don't think it should be surprising. The God Hand are a relatively new force in terms of the Berserk universe. Consider the Four Kings of the World, elemental entities that have been around since, presumably, the creation of the world itself. Then there are these incredibly powerful astral beings, like the Kundalini and the Sea God, and who knows what else. It's a big world.
Title: Re: Episode 331
Post by: Johnny Apples on October 10, 2012, 11:09:06 PM
On page 5 - usually, I chuckle whenever I see Puck or Ivalera making expressions like that.  This time around however,  seeing them so exhausted, I'm actually concerned for their well-being. Considering what happened to Chich after she overworked herself in order to save Guts, what kind of long-term negative effect a post-Sea God healing of this huge scale may have on Puck and Ivalera?  


 
Title: Re: Episode 331
Post by: Walter on October 11, 2012, 12:45:00 AM
On page 5 - usually, I chuckle whenever I see Puck or Ivalera making expressions like that.  This time around however,  seeing them so exhausted, I'm actually concerned for their well-being. Considering what happened to Chich after she overworked herself in order to save Guts, what kind of long-term negative effect a post-Sea God healing of this huge scale may have on Puck and Ivalera?  
It's portrayed in a pretty comical fashion though. I wouldn't be too worried.

Looking through the episode again, Isma and Isidro sure do make a cute couple. Too bad they'll never last  :schierke: :isidro:
Title: Re: Episode 331
Post by: Griffith on October 11, 2012, 12:45:41 AM
That was some weird, wild, wonderful stuff. The more I look at it the more little details I notice that impress me, especially that literally spaced out conclusion (that shooting star, wow), which was a nice touch after another unexpectedly intimate moment with Guts (I thought he'd be more dead to the world than reflective right now). Anyway, I don't think of Miura as a writer that employs a lot of twists or tricks, but more a very deliberate builder. You can see the frame of what he's constructing long before the inside is done, and when he surprises you its by introducing a cool new element you never expected by virtue of that framework, and then he painstakingly and seamlessly incorporates it into the design. But there's a real sense of deliberate mystery here, which I don't recall being employed so dramatically since the dawn of Skull Knight. :SK:
Title: Re: Episode 331
Post by: Chaos on October 11, 2012, 01:42:51 AM
Unbelievable. Just...wow.

I absolutely fucking LOVE how the beast is looking. Superb doesn't begin to describe it.

Question: On page 19, when Guts is looking out of the window, can he see the branches going across the moon? Obviously I can't read the text by that panel, but I don't see any question marks or anything that hints that Guts is questioning what it is he's seeing. If he can't, I'm definitely curious as to why. Any thoughts?
Title: Re: Episode 331
Post by: Walter on October 11, 2012, 01:56:48 AM
Question: On page 19, when Guts is looking out of the window, can he see the branches going across the moon? Obviously I can't read the text by that panel, but I don't see any question marks or anything that hints that Guts is questioning what it is he's seeing. If he can't, I'm definitely curious as to why. Any thoughts?
Yes, it seems that way. No professional translator here, but Guts says something to the effect that the injuries he's sustained sure have taken a toll on him. As in, I must be seeing things.
Title: Re: Episode 331
Post by: Chaos on October 11, 2012, 02:24:39 AM
Yes, it seems that way. No professional translator here, but Guts says something to the effect that the injuries he's sustained sure have taken a toll on him. As in, I must be seeing things.

Awesome, thanks a lot Walter!

I'm so excited to see how this tree thing develops. Among many, many, MANY other things  :guts:
Title: Re: Episode 331
Post by: jackalj on October 11, 2012, 04:19:22 AM
Great episode! Just a couple things;
Why is the kid naked on page 13, and has a bit of cloth on him on page 22?


I think that the star at the end is the kid, that has been coming and disappearing, maybe when someone travels through the branches they appear like falling stars?
Title: Re: Episode 331
Post by: Griffith on October 11, 2012, 04:34:55 AM
Great episode! Just a couple things;
Why is the kid naked on page 13, and has a bit of cloth on him on page 22?

The panel on page 13 is a flashback to when Casca first encountered him.

I think that the star at the end is the kid, that has been coming and disappearing, maybe when someone travels through the branches they appear like falling stars?

I think it's more than what you think, but precisely what's being shown. At worst, it's an exaggeration for artistic effect. Brings to mind the prominent shooting star in episode 195, appropriately titled, "When the Stars of Night Fall."
Title: Re: Episode 331
Post by: Gobolatula on October 11, 2012, 04:42:22 AM
I've been looking at this episode for a while. Is it me or is Guts' face a bit different - in a good way? It looks a little less thin. I definitely love how he looks in this episode. I wonder if it has to do with the fact that Miura had just finished drawing Guts younger and he's transitioned back to an older Guts suddenly. Somehow I doubt it was a "mistake" knowing Miura's professionalism.  :guts:
Title: Re: Episode 331
Post by: Delta Phi on October 11, 2012, 06:10:01 AM
What a fantastic episode. I especially love that last shot of the boy looking down from the moon. Great stuff. Can't wait to read the translations.
Title: Re: Episode 331
Post by: Death May Die on October 11, 2012, 07:17:52 AM
Beautiful art! I love the panel that throws back to Band of the Hawk Casca. That is a understatement compared to the glory shots of the ship. Miura never ceases to amaze me. Simple things have so much detail. Like the sea water... the fucking sea water has so much detail to it. The moon is brilliant, and the very wood on the ship in the background. It really does bring the manga life. This is why I have come to never to question break periods. Miura isn't giving us the next bundle of pages to some random...DBZ episode, just to move the story along with fan service slapped in with it. He really is giving us a work of art. There is far and few of people and places who do the same.
Title: Re: Episode 331
Post by: Aazealh on October 11, 2012, 08:46:11 AM
I've been looking at this episode for a while. Is it me or is Guts' face a bit different - in a good way? It looks a little less thin.

Yeah, he looks a bit healthier than he used to a while back.

I definitely love how he looks in this episode. I wonder if it has to do with the fact that Miura had just finished drawing Guts younger and he's transitioned back to an older Guts suddenly. Somehow I doubt it was a "mistake" knowing Miura's professionalism.  :guts:

Yeah, I think it's more of an indication that they're all getting used to the immediate side effects of the armor, with a likely focus on the middle to long term effects probably coming into focus once they reach Elfhelm. The warnings are all over the place, even in this episode (his trembling hands). Elf powder is a miraculous cure, but it can only do so much.
Title: Re: Episode 331
Post by: D-Scape on October 11, 2012, 12:21:10 PM
This is just too cool. I decide to take a two month break from Skullknight and the moment I return a new episode arrives! Must be a sign from above. :void:

The most interesting thing about 331 as far as I'm concerned is Moonlight boy using the branches of the Ganishka-tree as some sort of warp-gate. It makes me wonder just how immense it is. Are the branches now stretching around the entire world? It would make sense given the various Yggdrasil comparisons.
Title: Re: Episode 331
Post by: Gaiserik on October 11, 2012, 01:39:25 PM
Well, after several months of waiting, we finally have new chapter.
Title: Re: Episode 331
Post by: JezzaX on October 11, 2012, 01:50:52 PM
Well, after several months of waiting, we finally have new chapter.

Episode.

This is beautiful by the way, it's interesting to see some new developments and things piecing together, especially the idea of Ganishka being used as a form of transport. It makes me wonder (as it's been mentioned) if Skellig might be attacked by apostles or if the gang intend to use a similar form of transport to make their way to Falconia later on. Either way, I can't wait to see the translations.
Title: Re: Episode 331
Post by: fenril on October 11, 2012, 05:10:37 PM
The episode gave Guts interpretation of SK's comment on Casca. Guts thinks she might not actually wanted to be healed by thinking "Yes, she could not accept it, that is why she went out of her mind"  which I think is kind of interesting.

Am I the only one finding Farnese is getting more out spoken especially when she made a rough comment on Guts. :farnese:   PLease don't let these 2 pair up, if that day comes I'll quit reading the manga !  :P
Title: Re: Episode 331
Post by: Aazealh on October 11, 2012, 05:12:48 PM
The episode gave Guts interpretation of SK's comment on Casca. Guts thinks she might not actually wanted to be healed by thinking "Yes, she could not accept it, that is why she went out of her mind"  which I think is kind of interesting.

Well it's been one of our own possible interpretations ever since that episode was released... And even before that in fact. I've always thought the main reason she lost it was because it was too much for her to bear. Hell, it's already very hard for Guts, just look at his reaction when he simply thinks about it.

Am I the only one finding Farnese is getting more out spoken especially when she made a rough comment on Guts. :farnese:

Nah, she's becoming more confident. Really confident, as opposed to her posturing when she was head of the H.I.C.K. It's really nice to see how far she's come. Truly a master work of character development.
Title: Re: Episode 331
Post by: Walter on October 11, 2012, 05:13:51 PM
It makes me wonder (as it's been mentioned) if Skellig might be attacked by apostles or if the gang intend to use a similar form of transport to make their way to Falconia later on.
It seems to be a very specialized phenomena: the boy's power + the full moon + the tree. I doubt it's something just _anyone_ can do.

PLease don't let these 2 pair up, if that day comes I'll quit reading the manga !  :P
I believe you have nothing to worry about.  :farnese:
Title: Re: Episode 331
Post by: Gill on October 11, 2012, 05:29:18 PM
This episode was pure artgasm, and... Berserkgasm maybe? :ganishka:
For me, the transparent branches and the moonlight boy standing on them was the best, this detail and realism with just black-and-white screentones is simply incredible.

I doubt that the boy is Griffith himself spying on them, but maybe he's his son, too? Because I'm starting to think that Griffith didn't only "demonize" the baby during the rape, but actually added a bit of himself to it, becoming a third parent somehow (probably not by purpose). Since he was already belonging to another dimension during the intercourse, the resemblance to him only appears in the boy's astral form, while his physical body is a mix of Casca and Guts. Maybe, that's why the boy now seems to follow Griffith's orders or something, because Griffith is actually his other father? Maybe Griffith only realised that it's his son after incarnating, so he gave him a body and manipulating him somehow.
Now, really just speculating:
I think the only thing the boy wants is to be with his parents, that's his instict, but he has a hard time deciding which parents should he join, Guts&Casca, or Griffith, because both offer him something - Griffith gave him a normal physical body, but Guts and Casca can give him a family - and that's why he seems to seek for Casca's company but be related to/influenced by Griffith at the same time. (ok I think maybe I'm getting too far :troll:)
I'm not sure if an idea like this came up before but at the moment it seems logical to me.
Title: Re: Episode 331
Post by: Aazealh on October 11, 2012, 05:38:26 PM
I doubt that the boy is Griffith himself spying on them, but maybe he's his son, too? Because I'm starting to think that Griffith didn't only "demonize" the baby during the rape, but actually added a bit of himself to it, becoming a third parent somehow (probably not by purpose).

That's not how it's portrayed in the manga. The Skull Knight directly tells Guts that Casca was pregnant with his child, but that Femto corrupted it. And the child clearly had a thing for his parents (he often manifested himself to Guts & Casca, even in spite of Guts' adverse reactions), but we never saw a connexion with Femto, and it was never hinted at.

Since he was already belonging to another dimension during the intercourse, the resemblance to him only appears in the boy's astral form, while his physical body is a mix of Casca and Guts.

His astral form only resembles Griffith's since Femto was incarnated and took over the boy's body. Before that, it was that of a misshaped baby.

Maybe, that's why the boy now seems to follow Griffith's orders or something

The boy definitely does not seem to follow any orders at all, and especially not Griffith's. He's just coming to hang out with his parents whenever he can, and accessorily protects and helps them. His actions are pretty obviously contrary to Griffith's interests.

Maybe Griffith only realised that it's his son after incarnating, so he gave him a body and manipulating him somehow.

I'm shaking my head here...
Title: Re: Episode 331
Post by: JezzaX on October 11, 2012, 06:00:19 PM
It seems to be a very specialized phenomena: the boy's power + the full moon + the tree. I doubt it's something just _anyone_ can do.

I wouldn't assume they would be using the same method as the boy, but since he's someone other than SK that now has a fast method of moving around, maybe there could be something at Skellig for the group to achieve something similar? Not entirely likely, but not entirely impossible.
Title: Re: Episode 331
Post by: Oburi on October 11, 2012, 07:07:26 PM
The end of this episode is truly amazing. The post-Fantasia developments are so huge and ripe with possibilities it makes my head spin.

Nah, she's becoming more confident. Really confident, as opposed to her posturing when she was head of the H.I.C.K. It's really nice to see how far she's come. Truly a master work of character development.

I was thinking that while reading. Its incredible to think how far she has come since we first saw her. Insane character development. Even without dialog, just seeing her actions and her facial expressions you can feel all the history of her character is inside there. I love Schierke's face at the bottom of page 5.

I also really like Guts' hair in this episode. Total bedhead.  :serpico: 
Title: Re: Episode 331
Post by: Gaahl on October 11, 2012, 07:09:27 PM
I wouldn't assume they would be using the same method as the boy, but since he's someone other than SK that now has a fast method of moving around, maybe there could be something at Skellig for the group to achieve something similar? Not entirely likely, but not entirely impossible.

I definitely think that they will leave Skellig by some other means than by ship. So far, Miura has never repeated himself in this manga. Another long trip over the ocean would seem a bit redundant, so I doubt it will happen. And if it happens, it will either be very short, or even more dangerous than the encounter with the sea god.
But I don't want to think too much about how they leave Skellig yet, they haven't even arrived and that arrival is the single most anticipated event since... well ever.



Anyway, what do you make of the boys look from below the moon?
I can't quite put my finger on it, but he looks... worried? Concerned?
Almost as if he knew something. How old do you think he his now, not in terms of actual years, but in terms of child development (can I say it like this?). He seems to grow up a lot faster than normal humans would.
Title: Re: Episode 331
Post by: jackson_hurley on October 11, 2012, 07:34:53 PM
I'm curious to know when is the next time we will see the boy. Since so far (if I'm not wrong) we seem to be seeing him on full moon nights. Now I don't think the trip to Elfhelm will last one a couple of weeks (we don't know how big the island is nor how long will they take to find Elfhelm on Skellig) So, do you guys think we'll see him one more time when they are the island (assuming that Schierke is wrong with her assumption that he might be himself the King of Flower Storm)

As for the trip back, I can definitely imagine a point of view change while they are coming back. Switch to Falconia to see how things are going there and how everything works. It's not the first time we would get a small time gap in the series anyway so Miura can skip to show us the trip back to Midland if he wants to without making the group come back by some extraordinary means of travel..
Title: Re: Episode 331
Post by: Aazealh on October 11, 2012, 07:50:08 PM
Anyway, what do you make of the boys look from below the moon?
I can't quite put my finger on it, but he looks... worried? Concerned?

"Impenetrable" is how I'd describe it. Impossible to know what he's thinking. Not unlike the new Griffith in that regard, makes him look... non-human.

Almost as if he knew something.

He most certainly does know something. But what? :ganishka:

How old do you think he his now, not in terms of actual years, but in terms of child development (can I say it like this?). He seems to grow up a lot faster than normal humans would.

I'm not sure honestly. And he has clearly grown up quickly since the last time we saw him, but I'm also not sure whether it'll continue or not. Is he catching up on his actual age? Is he going to grow to adulthood at an accelerated rate? Time will tell. :iva:

Since so far (if I'm not wrong) we seem to be seeing him on full moon nights. Now I don't think the trip to Elfhelm will last one a couple of weeks (we don't know how big the island is nor how long will they take to find Elfhelm on Skellig) So, do you guys think we'll see him one more time when they are the island (assuming that Schierke is wrong with her assumption that he might be himself the King of Flower Storm)

I'm quite sure that we won't see him again until they reach Elfhelm, and I'm also certain that it'll be during a full moon. The real question is whether we will see him in Elfhelm or not (will he be willing to show himself there?). I hope we will.
Title: Re: Episode 331
Post by: jackson_hurley on October 11, 2012, 07:58:38 PM
I'm quite sure that we won't see him again until they reach Elfhelm, and I'm also certain that it'll be during a full moon. The real question is whether we will see him in Elfhelm or not (will he be willing to show himself there?). I hope we will.

Oups my bad I badly wrote what I wanted to say. What I was wondering is pretty much what you said so yourself. Will we see him in Elfhelm since I don't think their trip there will last a couple of weeks.

Oh I was also thinking how big is Elfhelm? Is it a part of Skellig?
Title: Re: Episode 331
Post by: Gobolatula on October 11, 2012, 08:01:07 PM
I wonder if the kid can be detained... Imagine if they somehow got him to stick around AFTER the full moon...
Title: Re: Episode 331
Post by: Aazealh on October 11, 2012, 08:23:42 PM
Will we see him in Elfhelm since I don't think their trip there will last a couple of weeks.

Even if it does last a couple of weeks, or a month or two, I'm pretty sure it'll be uneventful and that we'll skip right to their arrival.

Oh I was also thinking how big is Elfhelm? Is it a part of Skellig?

Skellig is the name of the island on which Elfhelm (a village/town/home of elves) is situated. We don't know how big it is, but I imagine it's not just a hamlet.

I wonder if the kid can be detained... Imagine if they somehow got him to stick around AFTER the full moon...

"No! Don't look at me! Get back! I can't control him when I transform! Aaaarrgghhhhh... :femto: (http://aazealh.net/Divers/Game/Beware_I_live.wav)"
Title: Re: Episode 331
Post by: jackson_hurley on October 11, 2012, 08:32:13 PM

Skellig is the name of the island on which Elfhelm (a village/town/home of elves) is situated.


Okay that's what I thought but wasn't so sure anymore, thank you for the clarification.
Title: Re: Episode 331
Post by: Gobolatula on October 11, 2012, 08:42:09 PM
I hope Elfhelm is right on the coast. Though I wonder what else is on Skellig. Considering the name of the chapter is "Elf Island," probably a lot of different kinds of elves and various wizards. I hope Skellig is mostly a peaceful place without any giant monsters. I hope there's a straight road from the coast to Elfhelm where there's a little sign that says "Sick Girlfriends This Way -->"

EDIT:

What do you guys think the chances are that the story will switch back to Griffith for a little bit now? It seems like a good place for a transition. I'm hoping for more Guts though.
Title: Re: Episode 331
Post by: Johnny Apples on October 11, 2012, 09:09:27 PM
Am I the only one who never thought that there was really a Ganishka-Tree in this episode?  :ganishka:
Having his tree-body completely obliterated by Femto, I don't believe that there's been any Ganishka-Tree roots left behind on Earth even in residual astral form, to serve as some kind of "portal" for Moonlight Boy. In my opinion, those wormhole portals that we saw in the last few pages are what may just be the very threads of Causality themselves, leading into the living world from the depths of Abyss, and via which Guts' and Casca's son is able to temporarily travel to the living world and visit his parents. 
Title: Re: Episode 331
Post by: Walter on October 11, 2012, 09:25:10 PM
Am I the only one who never thought that there was really a Ganishka-Tree in this episode?  :ganishka:
Having his tree-body completely obliterated by Femto, I don't believe that there's been any Ganishka-Tree roots left behind on Earth even in residual astral form,
I guess you're confused that we're calling it the Ganishka Tree? Because there's certainly a tree that appeared in place of Ganishka when Falconia appeared. And there's no reason to believe it's not around anymore.

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In my opinion, those wormhole portals that we saw in the last few pages are what may just be the very threads of Causality themselves, leading into the living world from the depths of Abyss, and via which Guts' and Casca's son is able to temporarily travel to the living world and visit his parents.  
Causality is a principle or law, not a thing you move around inside. Besides, it looks very much like a tree. Furthermore, Griffith and Falconia are also in the "living world" (these terms have already lost their meaning in the new world). No need to travel to the abyss.
Title: Re: Episode 331
Post by: Rhombaad on October 12, 2012, 01:03:03 AM
Just finished reading it (I wanted to read it earlier, but I was stuck at work). Wow! (What more is there to say that hasn't already been said?)
Title: Re: Episode 331
Post by: Joe Chip on October 12, 2012, 07:19:05 AM
Amazing episode guys, thanks for all the work. I loved reading it, even though i cant understand what everyone is saying. I really enjoyed going through the thread, everyone (me included) is so hyped up about the new berserk episode.  :ganishka:
What do you guys think the chances are that the story will switch back to Griffith for a little bit now? It seems like a good place for a transition. I'm hoping for more Guts though.
I really hope that this does happen. I personally think that the next few episodes will be all about Elfhelm.
Title: Re: Episode 331
Post by: Aazealh on October 12, 2012, 08:06:55 AM
Though I wonder what else is on Skellig.

I've wondered before and came to the conclusion that Elfhelm would be the main attraction. The chapter title, Elf Island, seems to hint at this being the case too.

What do you guys think the chances are that the story will switch back to Griffith for a little bit now? It seems like a good place for a transition. I'm hoping for more Guts though.

I think we'll see some of the world (not necessarily Griffith) soon enough.

Having his tree-body completely obliterated by Femto, I don't believe that there's been any Ganishka-Tree roots left behind on Earth even in residual astral form, to serve as some kind of "portal" for Moonlight Boy.

You should really re-read episode 307.

In my opinion, those wormhole portals that we saw in the last few pages are what may just be the very threads of Causality themselves, leading into the living world from the depths of Abyss

:ganishka:
Title: Re: Episode 331
Post by: Johnny Apples on October 13, 2012, 02:43:20 PM
I guess you're confused that we're calling it the Ganishka Tree? Because there's certainly a tree that appeared in place of Ganishka when Falconia appeared. And there's no reason to believe it's not around anymore.

You should really re-read episode 307.

Oh, the World Tree, which had appeared after Ganishka's death. How could I have forgotten about that?  :farnese:  :void: 

 
Title: Re: Episode 331
Post by: Aazealh on October 13, 2012, 05:25:07 PM
Oh, the World Tree, which had appeared after Ganishka's death.

It hasn't been given a name in the manga so far, and despite this episode's developments hasn't been established at being a "world tree" yet either.
Title: Re: Episode 331
Post by: JoeZeon on October 13, 2012, 07:00:16 PM
After a second read through, I got a question. When Guts wakes up after he his flashback the beast shows up. I'm wondering if that's just Guts thinking of the beast or the beast itself? I was under the impression the beast was laying low.

Title: Re: Episode 331
Post by: Aazealh on October 13, 2012, 07:17:57 PM
After a second read through, I got a question. When Guts wakes up after he his flashback the beast shows up. I'm wondering if that's just Guts thinking of the beast or the beast itself? I was under the impression the beast was laying low.

It's the Beast of Darkness itself. Yes, it is "laying low" in a sense, but remember that you shouldn't think of the Beast as a character entirely separate from Guts. It's only a personification of a part of his mind. And thinking of the Eclipse and of what happened to Casca is a sure way to bring "it" up. It's how it was born, because of what happened then and what he endured afterwards. Casca has her share of mental illness, but he has his own as well.
Title: Re: Episode 331
Post by: Arles on October 13, 2012, 07:54:33 PM
I'm looking forward to the full translations as well. It looks like a very interesting episode with a lot of information.

At first I perceived the branches as "flows of water" of some kind, but I think them being part of the tree makes more sense.

It was also really nice seeing another appearance of Casca in her previous state, with a decided gaze, armored and ready to go. Though it must be really painful for Guts not only to remember that, but to recall the Eclipse as well... The way he grabs his face after thinking about all that shows it perfectly.
Title: Re: Episode 331
Post by: Aazealh on October 13, 2012, 08:16:25 PM
Though it must be really painful for Guts not only to remember that, but to recall the Eclipse as well... The way he grabs his face after thinking about all that shows it perfectly.

Yup, and it's also a take back to the similar scene in the cave from volume 17. In fact many things in this episode seem to serve among other things the purpose of reminding and summarizing to the reader several plot lines that will be coming together (and perhaps be resolved) in Elfhelm.
Title: Re: Episode 331
Post by: Arles on October 13, 2012, 08:24:13 PM
In fact many things in this episode seem to serve among other things the purpose of reminding and summarizing to the reader several plot lines that will be coming together (and perhaps be resolved) in Elfhelm.

Hmmm, that's a good way to put it. I can imagine Miura and/or the editors taking all that into account (not only all the major events that have happened since then, but also the fact that several years have passed since the original serialization of both "sane Casca" and the Eclipse) when putting together and planning some scenes. Even though one can only guess, I think it doesn't sound far fetched at all.
Title: Re: Episode 331
Post by: Aazealh on October 13, 2012, 09:03:32 PM
Hmmm, that's a good way to put it. I can imagine Miura and/or the editors taking all that into account (not only all the major events that have happened since then, but also the fact that several years have passed since the original serialization of both "sane Casca" and the Eclipse) when putting together and planning some scenes. Even though one can only guess, I think it doesn't sound far fetched at all.

Oh I'm quite certain Miura had it in mind when he created this episode (to my knowledge the editor doesn't have any say in such matters).
Title: Re: Episode 331
Post by: Arles on October 13, 2012, 09:41:37 PM
(to my knowledge the editor doesn't have any say in such matters).
I really don't know how Young Animal manages the relationships between mangakas and editors, but in other magazines they sometimes can make suggestions about pacing, panel distribution or overall storytelling.
But as I said, I'm not really sure how they work with Mr. Miura, so I have no real information to make a bold statement about it.

I'm sure you know more about it than I do.
Title: Re: Episode 331
Post by: Giovanna on October 14, 2012, 02:45:59 AM
I found a translation to Spanish, so I'm wondering if a can translate to English for you all (giving credits, of course)? Or there is no need?
Title: Re: Episode 331
Post by: Walter on October 14, 2012, 04:01:31 AM
I found a translation to Spanish, so I'm wondering if a can translate to English for you all (giving credits, of course)? Or there is no need?
We have a translation in progress, but you're welcome to post your own in the appropriate section of the forum. Though I imagine going through 2 languages might make it a little... rough?
Title: Re: Episode 331
Post by: Giovanna on October 14, 2012, 08:01:42 PM
We have a translation in progress, but you're welcome to post your own in the appropriate section of the forum. Though I imagine going through 2 languages might make it a little... rough?

Sorry, but I can't find the appropriate section anywhere. Help, please?

Not quite, Spanish is very similar to Portuguese, my main language. But, even with mistakes, maybe it will help a little for a better translation from you guys ;] I already finished it, by the way.
Title: Re: Episode 331
Post by: IncantatioN on October 14, 2012, 08:17:41 PM
Cannot wait for the translations, I'm holding off on reading the episode till they come out. Must-not-open-magazine-till-then *urgestopphail*
Title: Re: Episode 331
Post by: Walter on October 14, 2012, 11:06:16 PM
Based on her actions in this episode, I wonder if Farnese will end up attempting to interfere with Guts and Casca's relationship when things get more complicated in Elfhelm. There's been growing tension there for a while for her (see volume 33), but it never really occurred to me that she might become a monkey in the gears until this episode, when she makes up an excuse for Guts to keep his distance from Casca.

Still, I'd like to think she'll be able to rise above her personal feelings. :farnese:
Title: Re: Episode 331
Post by: Lukis on October 15, 2012, 05:22:29 AM
Well Farnese really did surprise me with that,though Guts expression seemed a bit off,like he knew it wasnt that.
I hope someone can tell me why Puck and Evarella were worn out like that,only thing I didnt understood,maybe I should read latest episodes. Little guy being somehow connected to Elfhelm  :troll: ,more new mysteries :sigh: .
I kinda wonder what will happen next,though we wont have to wait long for it.
Title: Re: Episode 331
Post by: Aazealh on October 15, 2012, 07:14:04 AM
Based on her actions in this episode, I wonder if Farnese will end up attempting to interfere with Guts and Casca's relationship when things get more complicated in Elfhelm. There's been growing tension there for a while for her (see volume 33), but it never really occurred to me that she might become a monkey in the gears until this episode, when she makes up an excuse for Guts to keep his distance from Casca.

I'd almost like to see Casca making things clear to her. "MY MAN!" :iva:

Still, I'd like to think she'll be able to rise above her personal feelings. :farnese:

Ditto.

I hope someone can tell me why Puck and Evarella were worn out like that,only thing I didnt understood,maybe I should read latest episodes.

They've just finished healing Guts from serious injuries, so they're spent. Nothing surprising about that. He sustained some big damage against the Sea God.
Title: Re: Episode 331
Post by: fenril on October 15, 2012, 05:49:28 PM
I'd almost like to see Casca making things clear to her. "MY MAN!" :iva:

or it could go the complete opposite where Casca sensed Farnese's feelings and backs away.  It is a matter of time she gain enough confidence to say it out.    Let's see.

Title: Re: Episode 331
Post by: Gobolatula on October 15, 2012, 06:44:13 PM
or it could go the complete opposite where Casca sensed Farnese's feelings and backs away.  It is a matter of time she gain enough confidence to say it out.    Let's see.


I highly doubt it.
Title: Re: Episode 331
Post by: fenril on October 15, 2012, 07:43:15 PM
It all depends on Casca's fighting spirit when she "wakes" up.  Somehow I cannot imagine her to be on full fighting mode given what happened to her during the eclipse. 
Most importantly what Guts did to her.  Psychologically biting female's breasts is a sign of hatred or annoyance.  If she remembers that experience then it'll become interesting.  IF the manga follows a Shoujo (it is hakusensha afterall) manga type of mentality on female characters it is possible that Casca will get a bit ashamed of herself.  On the other hand Farnese is getting more aggressive.

Guts surely will need to leave Elfhelm in order to confront Griffith so either Griffith set fire to Elfhelm (cause it is full of witches and wizards that can potentially overthrow his kingdom) forcing the party to leave or it'll be the end of the manga.  This makes staying there to be there for Casca an impossible development.

I am going to stop as it is getting off topic sorry.
Title: Re: Episode 331
Post by: Aazealh on October 15, 2012, 07:51:53 PM
Somehow I cannot imagine her to be on full fighting mode given what happened to her during the eclipse.

The point of her being cured is getting over that.

Most importantly what Guts did to her.  Psychologically biting female's breasts is a sign of hatred or annoyance.  If she remembers that experience then it'll become interesting.

If she remembers that, she might also remember the dozens of times he put his life on the line for her?

IF the manga follows a Shoujo (it is hakusensha afterall)

That's a really, reaaaally weak argument.

This makes staying there to be there for Casca an impossible development.

Now what if *get ready for craziness* Casca *gasp* accompanied Guts back and didn't just stay behind in Elfhelm?! I know, shocking. Reminds me of the time Guts said he'd never leave her again, the promise he's kept ever since despite his desire for revenge, as this episode just reminded us.

By the way, it's always been crystal clear that Guts has no romantic interest whatsoever in Farnese. We know who he wants and it's not like it'll be decided for him. Oh and Casca and him had a child together that regularly visits them as well. Not something they could easily put behind them either. Just sayin'.

(http://aazealh.net/Divers/HappyFamily.jpg)
Title: Re: Episode 331
Post by: fenril on October 15, 2012, 08:07:00 PM
There was actually a famous article in Japan saying that berserk being a Shoujo manga. 

Also, in Asian forums people have been *criticizing* the sudden change in style speculating this is due to pressure from hakusensha, which has a reputation for being the home of shoujo mangas.   People were saying berserk suits being with Shueisha. 

I wish I have the time to translate the articles they are really interesting.

Title: Re: Episode 331
Post by: Aazealh on October 15, 2012, 08:11:48 PM
There was actually a famous article in Japan saying that berserk being a Shoujo manga.

And? It's not a shoujo manga, famous article or not, I think everybody knows that. I can explain it to you with pictures and all if that's really needed, but then we'll need another thread.

Also, in Asian forums people have been *criticizing* the sudden change in style speculating this is due to pressure from hakusensha, which has a reputation for being the home of shoujo mangas.   People were saying berserk suits being with Shueisha.

Well the people in question are quite obviously stupid, I guess? I'm not sure what I'm even supposed to reply to this (e.g. what change in style?). Hakusensha has published and still does publish a lot of non-shoujo titles. Notably in Young Animal. Are we really having this conversation?
Title: Re: Episode 331
Post by: fenril on October 15, 2012, 08:16:17 PM
well guess this is a cultural difference...  The article was actually an interview between Miura and a famous manga analyst.  Miura himself did not deny it when the interviewer suggested it. 
Title: Re: Episode 331
Post by: Aazealh on October 15, 2012, 08:17:06 PM
well guess this is a cultural difference...  The article was actually an interview between Miura and a famous manga analyst.  Miura himself did not deny it when the interviewer suggested it.  

I know what interview you're talking about, and you're not conveying what was actually said accurately. In any case, Berserk isn't a shoujo manga. Again, why do I even have to say this? Also, stupid ideas and wacky theories about the evil, secret influence of the publishing company to "shoujo-ize" Berserk have nothing to do with cultural differences and everything to do with idiocy.
Title: Re: Episode 331
Post by: Arles on October 15, 2012, 08:23:41 PM
Also, in Asian forums people have been *criticizing* the sudden change in style speculating this is due to pressure from hakusensha, which has a reputation for being the home of shoujo mangas.   People were saying berserk suits being with Shueisha. 

I don't agree with that at all. I think that's like saying a manga published in Ribon has shounen tendencies because the publisher is Shueisha, famous for their massive Weekly Shounen Jump.

In any case, I would say the changes in Berserk have happened because Miura thinks they are/have been necessary to communicate what he wants with Berserk, rather than a decision by the publisher.
Title: Re: Episode 331
Post by: Irvine on October 16, 2012, 11:47:09 AM
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There was actually a famous article in Japan saying that berserk being a Shoujo manga. 

a Shoujo manga 

a Shoujo manga

 :ganishka: :ganishka: :ganishka: :ganishka: :ganishka:

Of course!
Title: Re: Episode 331
Post by: RaffoBaffo on October 16, 2012, 12:22:30 PM
YA is Seinen manga magazine, so Berserk is a Seinen. Period.
Title: Re: Episode 331
Post by: jackalj on October 16, 2012, 01:30:22 PM
On the whole shoujo thing, I have no idea what shoujo actually is. I googled it and it seems to be a word for a 7-20 year old girl in Japan. (If anybody can explain the word properly to me that would be great!)

And since Berserk has alot of blood/gore, nudity etc in it. I dont think you can describe it as shoujo...

Oh and Casca and him had a child together that regularly visits them as well. Not something they could easily put behind them either. Just sayin'.
Well thanks to this new episode it might not be Guts and Casca's child  :iva:
Title: Re: Episode 331
Post by: Walter on October 16, 2012, 01:41:03 PM
On the whole shoujo thing, I have no idea what shoujo actually is. I googled it and it seems to be a word for a 7-20 year old girl in Japan. (If anybody can explain the word properly to me that would be great!)
Manga can be broken down into the demographics that series appeal to. They're often grouped in this way for the pre-published magazines they're printed in, and for marketing purposes.

Shōjo is manga that appeals to young girls. Its male counterpart is shōnen. Seinen is manga for older males.

That being said, they all have pretty general definitions. But like a supreme court judge once said: "I know it when I see it." (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I_know_it_when_I_see_it)

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And since Berserk has alot of blood/gore, nudity etc in it. I dont think you can describe it as shoujo...
That's not what makes Berserk not Shōjo... It's the adult themes and ... fuck are we seriously having this fucking conversation?
 
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Well thanks to this new episode it might not be Guts and Casca's child  :iva:
Can't tell if you're being coy, but it's more likely that Schierke is wrong. It's discussed throughout this thread if you're interested.
Title: Re: Episode 331
Post by: Arles on October 16, 2012, 01:42:15 PM
On the whole shoujo thing, I have no idea what shoujo actually is. I googled it and it seems to be a word for a 7-20 year old girl in Japan. (If anybody can explain the word properly to me that would be great!)
In Japan, manga magazines are often categorized according to the age and gender of the readers they aim at. As you said "shoujo" means "girl", so Shoujo magazines 99.9% of the time release manga destined to, well, girls.
This terms even name the magazines themselves, like "Weekly Shounen Jump", or "Shounen Sunday", or "Weekly Young Jump", or even the known by us "Young Animal".
The general categories are Shounen (Boys), Seinen (Young/Adult males), Shoujo (Girls) and Josei (Young/Adult females).

Saying Berserk is a Shoujo manga, in the end, is saying Berserk is a manga for girls.


EDIT: Oh, it seems Walter beat me to it. Well, this post may be deleted if needed.
Title: Re: Episode 331
Post by: Hanma_Baki on October 16, 2012, 06:13:02 PM
It seems its already been vaguely mentioned here and there, but despite all that happened in this episode, what I think is standing out the most is a slight yet notable change in art style and/or increasing quality (if thats even possible). I cant quite put my finger on it but it feels like a general change. Could be that I really only read episodes as they are released nowadays and so my judgement may not be trustworthy due to continuity issues. Anyway whatever this is (if it is anything at all, that is) its feels pretty damn refreshing and somehow giving me a great feeling...and IŽd rather not realize it may be just wishful thinking/bullshit on my part :troll:

Btw its also interesting reading all the feedback on this episode, and the thought of the next one being just around the corner almost makes my eyes tear up, good times indeed!
Title: Re: Episode 331
Post by: Walter on October 16, 2012, 06:22:51 PM
It seems its already been vaguely mentioned here and there, but despite all that happened in this episode, what I think is standing out the most is a slight yet notable change in art style and/or increasing quality (if thats even possible). I cant quite put my finger on it but it feels like a general change. Could be that I really only read episodes as they are released nowadays and so my judgement may not be trustworthy due to continuity issues. Anyway whatever this is (if it is anything at all, that is) its feels pretty damn refreshing and somehow giving me a great feeling...and IŽd rather not realize it may be just wishful thinking/bullshit on my part :troll:
We talked about it on the most recent podcast (http://www.skullknight.net/forum/index.php?topic=13617.0). I agree. It looks to me like Miura's beginning a style shift. It's most evident with Guts' face. He looks handsome instead of ... angular and rough, like he's been looking the past 3 volumes. However, as we discussed on the show, there are a few mitigating circumstances that could mean it's just incidental.
Title: Re: Episode 331
Post by: luc2010 on October 17, 2012, 04:00:19 PM
I thought the same thing.  Glad I am not the only one.
Title: Re: Episode 331
Post by: Hanma_Baki on October 19, 2012, 06:17:39 PM
Yeah thanks for verifying my hunch there, guys. Oh and great podcast episode, I see I have a few to catch up on, only listened to the first two when they were released then I forgot about it for some reason, lol this site is so big, thanks for reminding me :)
Title: Re: Episode 331
Post by: Walter on October 19, 2012, 06:30:42 PM
Yeah thanks for verifying my hunch there, guys. Oh and great podcast episode, I see I have a few to catch up on, only listened to the first two when they were released then I forgot about it for some reason, lol this site is so big, thanks for reminding me :)
Man, those first episodes were rough though  :farnese: You should definitely check out our most recent ones. And unlike some other podcasts, there's really no need to go through them all in sequence or anything. Unless otherwise noted (Skull Knight Part 3), you can pick up wherever.

Speaking of art style changes in Berserk, we talk about this phenomenon on Episode 10 (http://www.skullknight.net/forum/index.php?topic=13275.0) with member guests Grail and Lithrael (both artists themselves, and Creation Station enthusiasts).
Title: Re: Episode 331
Post by: jackson_hurley on October 21, 2012, 02:54:58 PM
Sweet bananas it's gonna be that time soon... What will we get for the new ep? I can't wait to see the new mindblowing-wonderfull-beautifull-impossibly-true-nice artwork by the master... 2 buck we get to see the island by the end of the episode!
Title: Re: Episode 331
Post by: Walter on October 21, 2012, 03:43:58 PM
What will we get for the new ep? ... 2 buck we get to see the island by the end of the episode!
I think it's totally possible we'll get to see the shoreline of Skellig in the next episode. And it's going to be a historic moment for the series. Guts, Puck and Casca set out on this journey in Episode 183, which was more than 10 years ago for readers. Now, after episode 331, everything that the solitary island storyline introduced has been tied together like a nice package. It all seems ready to transition directly  into another storyline.

While I don't think we will switch over to Falconia at this precise moment, I do think a perspective change is due at some point in the near future.
Title: Re: Episode 331
Post by: jackson_hurley on October 21, 2012, 04:59:17 PM


While I don't think we will switch over to Falconia at this precise moment, I do think a perspective change is due at some point in the near future.

Yeah I was thinking about that the other day. I think the perspective change will happen after the next break. Like after seeing a little bit of Elfhelm or something of the likes. We see the shoreline in the new one, then a quick glimpse in the other one (assuming there is no break after this one that comes out) then a break and when it resumes, a little Falconia story. Well that's how I see it. I would not mind getting a switch after the next episode to Falconia either. I'm sure as always that what we'll get will be pretty awesome anyway.  :guts:

All I can say is : it will be worth the wait! Long live to the patient people, it always pay at the end
Title: Re: Episode 331
Post by: Rhombaad on October 21, 2012, 11:42:11 PM
I have a feeling we'll be switching perspectives to Falconia in the next episode. With the way episode 331 ended, with the Moonlight Boy (presumably) zipping back to Falconia, it just feels right to me.
Title: Re: Episode 331
Post by: Walter on October 21, 2012, 11:56:33 PM
I have a feeling we'll be switching perspectives to Falconia in the next episode. With the way episode 331 ended, with the Moonlight Boy (presumably) zipping back to Falconia, it just feels right to me.
It's no proof that it won't happen, but generally Miura has a break between perspective switches.
Title: Re: Episode 331
Post by: Rhombaad on October 22, 2012, 06:21:48 PM
It's no proof that it won't happen, but generally Miura has a break between perspective switches.

Gotcha.

I kind of hope it switches back to Falconia. I'm really curious about what's going on there right now.
Title: Re: Episode 331
Post by: Walter on October 22, 2012, 06:32:48 PM
I kind of hope it switches back to Falconia. I'm really curious about what's going on there right now.
Same, but I want them to land on Skellig first, damn it! :mozgus:

We should know in a day or so what's happening. According to YA's page, (http://www.younganimal.com/magazine/next.html) the upcoming episode will be another 24-pager.
Title: Re: Episode 331
Post by: Bread Pak on October 23, 2012, 03:27:56 PM
According to YA's page, (http://www.younganimal.com/magazine/next.html) the upcoming episode will be another 24-pager.

Maybe he draws more pages to balance less episodes in tankobon  :schnoz:
Title: Re: Episode 331
Post by: Gaahl on October 23, 2012, 03:37:30 PM
My money is on a lot of 2 page spreads, which to me means Skellig won't be at the end of the episode, but rather we will see quite a bit of it, kind of like how Falconia was introduced.
Maybe some shots ff the group walking around, totally in awe of the place :isidro:
Title: Re: Episode 331
Post by: Headofbowl on October 29, 2012, 01:38:56 AM
Hi, this is my first post so it might come out a bit off!  :farnese:

After reading the chapter I started to reread volume 8 (because it was the only volume I took to uni with me) and I noticed that page 19 in episode 331 is reminiscent of page 49 in volume 8. What I was wondering though is if anyone else thinks that it's a nod to the choice Guts is about to make? I thought that it could suggest something bad resulting because of Guts' decision... I don't really know how to word it, but because the scene in volume 8 was with Casca discussing how she felt Griffith was "somehow out of reach" (dark horse translations) and the picture of Griffith is smaller than the more recent one in episode 331, maybe Guts is thinking that he is closer to Griffith now because of the beast because of the preceding page in 331. Or it could be the more literal translation of the page that the decision to confront Griffith after Casca's healed is closer. I might be reading too much into but I thought the style of the pages just looked similar and was wondering if anyone else noticed it?
Title: Re: Episode 331
Post by: Oburi on October 29, 2012, 01:48:27 AM
Hi, this is my first post so it might come out a bit off!  :farnese:

Welcome friend! And don't worry about it.

After reading the chapter

... oh.

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I started to reread volume 8 (because it was the only volume I took to uni with me) and I noticed that page 19 in episode 331 is reminiscent of page 49 in volume 8. What I was wondering though is if anyone else thinks that it's a nod to the choice Guts is about to make? I thought that it could suggest something bad resulting because of Guts' decision... I don't really know how to word it, but because the scene in volume 8 was with Casca discussing how she felt Griffith was "somehow out of reach" (dark horse translations) and the picture of Griffith is smaller than the more recent one in episode 331,

I'm not sure what picture you are referring to from book 8  :???:
Title: Re: Episode 331
Post by: Headofbowl on October 29, 2012, 01:53:50 AM
Ahh! Sorry, I meant episode it's just because I had the dark horse volume 8 in my hand and it calls them chapters, a silly slip up  :farnese:

Anyway thanks for the welcome and pointing out my mistake !  :)
Title: Re: Episode 331
Post by: Walter on October 29, 2012, 01:56:43 AM
I might be reading too much into but I thought the style of the pages just looked similar and was wondering if anyone else noticed it?
I really don't think there's any relationship at all between the two images you cite, other than that they're both pictures of Griffith.
Title: Re: Episode 331
Post by: Headofbowl on October 29, 2012, 02:05:26 AM
Ok, thanks was just wondering because they looked similar! Just wanted to hear if anyone else thought the same, probably just a stylistic choice for Miura.

Edit: Just realised you said Griffith. Sorry, I wasn't more clear I meant Guts' facial expressions with Griffith as Guts' focal point.
Title: Re: Episode 331
Post by: Walter on October 29, 2012, 02:15:27 AM
I meant Guts' facial expressions with Griffith as Guts' focal point.
Ah, now I see what you meant. Write fewer words next time  :void:

Well, both images are of Guts looking forward, and considering Griffith, but they're not that similar. I don't see any relationship or special meaning implied between the two shots. If you want to get detailed about it, each instance is paneled similarly, but the message of the shots is dramatically different.

Guts is at a crossroads again, but I don't think this's an intentional use of imagery on Miura's behalf. It would be an obscure, almost vacuous call back if so. In an aside note, the size of the image of Griffith is, I believe, reading too much into things. They each serve different purposes on the page.
Title: Re: Episode 331
Post by: Headofbowl on October 29, 2012, 02:21:31 AM
Ah, now I see what you meant. Write fewer words next time  :void:

Sorry that's why I said it might come a bit off :schierke:  I'll try to be a bit more concise next time, I just thought the style Miura used for the two shots may have hinted at something but like you say it's probably nothing!
Title: Re: Episode 331
Post by: jackson_hurley on October 29, 2012, 03:03:04 AM
Yeah my sister got back from Vietnam and they were passing through Tokyo on their way back and she bought me volume 34-36 in Japanese obviously but also my first Young Animal with episode 331 in it :) a big step for this geek!
Title: Re: Episode 331
Post by: Hanma_Baki on October 29, 2012, 01:49:32 PM
(I tried quoting but I guess there's something wrong with my android browser)

I don't know if Oburi is just busting the new guy for shits and giggles :P (I'm pretty new myself btw) but I was always under the impression that the word "episode" was traditionally used for tv shows and "chapter" for pretty much all kinds of literature. But overall I've never really been aware of the difference. Its only just now that I noticed that you guys call it episodes. So anyway, whats the difference? Is there a difference or does episode just sound cooler? (Im not english, sorry, was thinking about further studies though, that's why I'm interested)
Title: Re: Episode 331
Post by: Walter on October 29, 2012, 02:15:20 PM
I was always under the impression that the word "episode" was traditionally used for tv shows and "chapter" for pretty much all kinds of literature. ... So anyway, whats the difference? Is there a difference or does episode just sound cooler? (Im not english, sorry, was thinking about further studies though, that's why I'm interested)
There is a difference. Berserk has story arcs, chapters and episodes, each with their own definitions. Here's a longer post where I spent time explaining why there is a difference.



There is a proper categorization system to the series that goes beyond merely the volume numbers. It's a part of the title of each and every episode. It's divided by story arcs, and major events. Miura created it himself, and he's stuck to it every single episode since 1992, so he must think it's pretty important. But since you seem convinced I'm trying to pull one over on you, I'll undertake extra effort to explain the point:

(http://skullknight.net/images/arc-chapter-episode.jpg)

See the portion I've outlined in red? It goes like this: 第307話 · 千年帝国の鷹篇/ファルコニアの章/ファルコニア ... Which translates to Episode #307 -- Millennium Falcon Arc / Chapter of Falconia / Falconia.

Now let me show you why: The 307 is preceded with which means "number" (http://jisho.org/words?jap=%E7%AC%AC&eng=&dict=edict) and then designated with a which translates to "counter for stories, episodes of TV series, etc." (http://jisho.org/words?jap=%E8%A9%B1&eng=&dict=edict) And Falconia is designated with a which translates to "chapter" (http://jisho.org/words?jap=%E7%AB%A0&eng=&dict=edict).

I'll repeat: 話 does not equal 章. These are two distinct words, with distinct meanings. One is episode, one is chapter. The reason they are kept separate is because they refer to categorizations of the story. Arc / Chapter / Episode. It's a system that spans multiple volumes. If you want a full breakdown of where the arcs and chapters are, check here: http://skullknight.net/manga/
Title: Re: Episode 331
Post by: Aazealh on October 29, 2012, 02:25:48 PM
In addition to what Walter just reiterated, you also need to understand what the word "episode" actually refers to: an instalment in a series. To go farther and quote the dictionary: "A brief section of a literary or dramatic work that forms part of a connected series." The word itself was used long before TV was invented, to refer to the serials of yore (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Serial_%28literature%29). A story released in one sitting can't have episodes, but a series does by definition, whether it's a TV series, a radio series or a literary series.

This is also why we say that a series like Berserk is released episodically. Now, in itself this fact isn't antinomic with considering individual issues of a series to each be "chapters" of said series if an author wanted to do so, but as you can see above it's not the case when it comes to Berserk. There are arcs, there are chapters, and the episodic instalments are appropriately called episodes.
Title: Re: Episode 331
Post by: Hanma_Baki on October 29, 2012, 08:52:37 PM
Oh snap! :farnese: Now I remember, its always been right before my eyes, cause DH actually does this too, occasionally anyway, as far as I remember. (For instance I clearly remember "retribution/conviction ARC" --> "Lost children CHAPTER" --> "EPISODE blah blah")

Thank you both for explaning and sorry for being a retard :P
Title: Re: Episode 331
Post by: Arvin on November 03, 2012, 02:15:39 AM
Hello Berserk fans! Have been lurking for a while until I decided to start posting.  :guts:

This was a nice and very special episode to me as it marked the first episode I had to wait for since reading through the series a couple months ago. It has been a great ride so far!!

It's nice to see the merrows and Isma again, I thought Isma would part ways with the crew after finally meeting her mother at the end of the Sea God episodes.

I agree with much that has been voiced already. This episode does a good job at reminding the readers the most important threads in the story so far, like Casca's recovery, the Elf King and Elfhelm, the pain that Guts has been enduring and a quick flash of Griffith. Even skull knight and the beast of darkness made a cameo appearance during some of Guts's thoughts as well.

Now to a few more thoughts on the "shooting star" part that was presented as the climax of the episode and the moonlight boy:

1. The first thing that came to my mind when noticing the branches at the moon, and then seeing them further with the boy on top, was the Ganishka-tree. I know there is an ongoing theory here that asserts that it was Zodd's silhouette that appeared on episode 238 if I recall correctly... With that in mind I think it's interesting to note that there was no Ganishka-tree nor where the astral world so merged with the physical world at that part of the story, which lends credence with the thought that maybe the boy might have really needed Zodd's help to get there at that point, also assuming the boy and Griffith share the same body, which is part of the theory that I'm vaguely recurring right now.

2. This has also been said before, but even though Schierke opens a new and interesting possibility with the moonlight boy being the Storm flower king or some related elf, I agree with the sentiment that we as readers have knowledge enough to almost disregard that possibility. Needless to say, most of the information we have right now on the boy points to him being Guts and Casca's son, able to assume form only on full moon nights and likely sharing his body with Griffith/Femto.


I wouldn't assume they would be using the same method as the boy, but since he's someone other than SK that now has a fast method of moving around, maybe there could be something at Skellig for the group to achieve something similar? Not entirely likely, but not entirely impossible.

I definitely think that they will leave Skellig by some other means than by ship. So far, Miura has never repeated himself in this manga. Another long trip over the ocean would seem a bit redundant, so I doubt it will happen. And if it happens, it will either be very short, or even more dangerous than the encounter with the sea god.
But I don't want to think too much about how they leave Skellig yet, they haven't even arrived and that arrival is the single most anticipated event since... well ever.

Well, it's too early to think about the trip back, but it's something cool to speculate about.
Although Schierke presents possibilities of fast travel by the Elf King and maybe other denizens of Elfhelm, I think when they get to Skellig it would be a great opportunity to showcase some exotic flying creatures from the astral realm. These creatures could possibly have been tamed and used by the human witches and mages to get to Skellig or fly to other locations (for some reason I have trouble thinking that most of the humans who presently inhabit Elfhelm are native there).
Anyway, they could be used by Guts and his group to fly back to the mainland when they finish their business in Elfhelm.

Now what those creatures could be? Who knows, the sky is the limit for Miura now that Fantasia has been laid.

Griffins like we see depicted on Falconia's walls or the one figuratively depicted on volume 21? Giant eagles perhaps? The feather of Serpico's feather-sword originally came from a mystical Eagle according to Schierke, iirc.

Even if this just amounts to some wild speculation in the future, I agree with the sentiment that the travel back will or at least should be a faster one and in a different way than to go by ship again, like it has been for years now. That would also mean that the group would likely part ways with Roderick and Magnifico at that point.
Title: Re: Episode 331
Post by: Aazealh on November 03, 2012, 09:39:30 AM
Hello Berserk fans! Have been lurking for a while until I decided to start posting.  :guts:

Hi Arvin, welcome to the forum! Nice summary of what's been said in the thread.

The feather of Serpico's feather-sword originally came from a mystical Eagle according to Schierke, iirc.

The kanji used by Schierke (大鷲) literally means a "large eagle", and usually refers to Steller's Sea Eagle, an Asian species that is one of the largest birds of prey in the world. They do sometimes nest at the top of large trees in the real world, so that is consistent with what Schierke says of it as well.

So the bird itself is a priori not mystical, but it was, at the time, a subtle indication that Guts et al. were getting closer to the coast.
Title: Re: Episode 331
Post by: Arvin on November 03, 2012, 01:20:11 PM
Hi Arvin, welcome to the forum! Nice summary of what's been said in the thread.

Hi Azz, thanks for the welcome!

The kanji used by Schierke (大鷲) literally means a "large eagle", and usually refers to Steller's Sea Eagle, an Asian species that is one of the largest birds of prey in the world. They do sometimes nest at the top of large trees in the real world, so that is consistent with what Schierke says of it as well.

So the bird itself is a priori not mystical, but it was, at the time, a subtle indication that Guts et al. were getting closer to the coast.

Oh, I see, thanks for the correction. Pretty interesting stuff, I'm fammiliar with this species of bird of prey as well but had no idea Schierke could have been refering to it.

It's also an interesting thought that would never cross my mind that mentioning the Eagle would indicate that they were getting closer to the coast (which they actually were, following the story progression).
Title: Re: Episode 331
Post by: Nxa on November 17, 2012, 03:36:18 PM
The Boyhood Arc really was something else, and this episode was a smooth and beautiful landing point to present time.
As many of you, I enjoyed the personal time spent with Guts and his thoughts at the end. The mystery surrounding the Moonlight Boy ascended to a whole new astral levels, which bugs me in a really good way.

What actually irritated me a bit, was Schierke coming out with a hunch, which frankly - seemed like something us hyperactive fanboys here at SKNet could come up.  :schierke:
Way I see it, is Miura presenting a shameless red herring, not caring if he gets away with it or not. He disguises it with a typical scenario: theory is brought up, someone doubting it, then some loose backing for it presented and finally leaving it hanging in the air. As leverage in convincing us to even consider the possibility he puts these words into Schierke's mouth, who has definite authority and weight among her companions when concerning these kind of things.
Now, this may sound like I'm complaining, but when I read that bit, it had me grinning and tipping my hat to Miura: well played, sir.  :troll:
Title: Re: Episode 331
Post by: Aazealh on November 17, 2012, 05:27:45 PM
The Boyhood Arc really was something else

I know I'm nitpicking, but 3 episodes do not make an arc.

What actually irritated me a bit, was Schierke coming out with a hunch, which frankly - seemed like something us hyperactive fanboys here at SKNet could come up.  :schierke:
Way I see it, is Miura presenting a shameless red herring, not caring if he gets away with it or not. He disguises it with a typical scenario: theory is brought up, someone doubting it, then some loose backing for it presented and finally leaving it hanging in the air. As leverage in convincing us to even consider the possibility he puts these words into Schierke's mouth, who has definite authority and weight among her companions when concerning these kind of things.
Now, this may sound like I'm complaining, but when I read that bit, it had me grinning and tipping my hat to Miura: well played, sir.  :troll:

Yeah, not sure why you say this irritated you. Schierke is more knowledgeable than the others when it comes to astral matters, but she's still just a kid and she's failed to put things together before. She's certainly not infallible. It may seem like an obvious red herring to us, but that's because we're serious fans™ who pore over every little detail of the series. I'm sure a lot of people will fall for it without thinking twice. And it's not like we know for sure what the deal is with the kid anyway. I think my old theory is pretty solid, but nothing's set in stone until Miura says it is.
Title: Re: Episode 331
Post by: NeaR on March 07, 2014, 10:14:46 PM
Hm.. Can anyone explain to me Farnese's comment on Page 10? Is she saying that like, "I can't believe Guts is dating THIS girl." or "This girl is Guts lover? She's too good for him." I really can't tell if this line is insulting (for lack of better word, it's not really an insult either) Guts or Casca, but Guts response leads me to believe it's towards Guts.
Title: Re: Episode 331
Post by: Walter on March 07, 2014, 10:48:18 PM
Hm.. Can anyone explain to me Farnese's comment on Page 10? Is she saying that like, "I can't believe Guts is dating THIS girl." or "This girl is Guts lover? She's too good for him." I really can't tell if this line is insulting (for lack of better word, it's not really an insult either) Guts or Casca, but Guts response leads me to believe it's towards Guts.

What translation are you pulling that from...? Sounds like it confused the scene for you. Basically she inadvertently said something that could have hurt Guts feelings, then felt guilty for it. It underscores the fundamental problem between Guts and Casca in her current state of mind.
Title: Re: Episode 331
Post by: Aazealh on March 08, 2014, 09:56:04 AM
Hm.. Can anyone explain to me Farnese's comment on Page 10? Is she saying that like, "I can't believe Guts is dating THIS girl." or "This girl is Guts lover? She's too good for him." I really can't tell if this line is insulting (for lack of better word, it's not really an insult either) Guts or Casca, but Guts response leads me to believe it's towards Guts.

Farnese's not insulting anyone, she's thinking aloud about how she tends to forget that Casca (and not her) is the one Guts loves. Her comment is directed at herself. The line's a bit difficult, even in Japanese. Here is puella's explanation about it:

It's normal you're confused. The line IS confusing. It can be interepreted several ways.

1) She often forgets (or wants to forget) Guts and Casca's relationship, what Casca is to Guts.
2) She wants to remind herself that Casca is Guts' lover so as to not be confused again.
3) "Confused" means many things: she forgets about their relationship, she wants to think there could be some room for her in Guts' mind but this may be her own fantasy. She knows it herself. But this "chain" is continued. She knows Casca is Guts' lover but she gets to think she and Guts can have their own "relationship"...
In the previous panels, Farnese acts without caring about what Casca is to Guts.
Title: Re: Episode 331
Post by: NeaR on March 08, 2014, 09:18:33 PM
Farnese's not insulting anyone, she's thinking aloud about how she tends to forget that Casca (and not her) is the one Guts loves. Her comment is directed at herself. The line's a bit difficult, even in Japanese. Here is puella's explanation about it:

Wow, thanks a lot, you and  puella's explanation really helped. Like Walter said, it shows the fundamental issue between Guts and Casca, but I think it's also foreshadows an upcoming issue between Casca and Farnese (if it wasn't obvious before). Sounds like we're going to have some exciting drama in Elfhelm.  :guts:
Title: Re: Episode 331
Post by: Patou244 on April 05, 2014, 08:15:34 AM
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Am I the only one finding Farnese is getting more out spoken especially when she made a rough comment on Guts. :farnese:   PLease don't let these 2 pair up, if that day comes I'll quit reading the manga !

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Can anyone explain to me Farnese's comment on Page 10? Is she saying that like, "I can't believe Guts is dating THIS girl." or "This girl is Guts lover? he's too good for her." I really can't tell if this line is insulting (for lack of better word, it's not really an insult either) Guts or Casca, but Guts response leads me to believe it's towards Guts.


The comment Farnese made almost came across to me like something Casca would have said to Guts while she was still herself. Casca was someone who told it the way it was and it is interesting to see Farnese becoming more and more confident to the point where she can make comments like that even unconsciously.

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Based on her actions in this episode, I wonder if Farnese will end up attempting to interfere with Guts and Casca's relationship when things get more complicated in Elfhelm. There's been growing tension there for a while for her (see volume 33), but it never really occurred to me that she might become a monkey in the gears until this episode, when she makes up an excuse for Guts to keep his distance from Casca.

ugh...I really hope not. The last thing I want to see is conflict occur between a restored Casca and Farnese. I have not paid too much mind to Farnese's crush on Guts because it seem to humanize her and it seemed harmless, but if it starts girl drama down the road I am not going to be too pleased it that. I would like for Farnese and Casca to become friends if she gets her mind restored. I imagine Farnese would be the one person Casca would have the clearest or fondest memory of while insane since she took care of her. Please Miura don't do it!