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Title: A lack of Berserk - Dark Horse & DMP
Post by: Bender on April 05, 2013, 06:03:34 PM
This has happened in the past.  The stock of a single volume would dry up and be a bit challenging to find, and we would see sky rocketing prices that I could not imagine anyone paying.  Months ago, a few volumes started to dry up and become difficult to find.  I was curious to see if the problem had been solved and checked out Amazon.  What I found was that the problem has not been taken care of and has increased.  I know Amazon is not the only place to buy Berserk, and that some other places may currently have what it doesn't, but I would assume it to be generally peoples first stop and that it shows a trend.

Low Stock
Volume 1 (http://www.amazon.com/Berserk-Vol-1-Kentaro-Miura/dp/1593070209/ref=pd_bxgy_b_img_y) - 14 left
Volume 2 (http://www.amazon.com/Berserk-Vol-2-Kentaro-Miura/dp/1593070217/ref=pd_bxgy_b_img_y) - 6 Left
Volume 15 (http://www.amazon.com/Berserk-Vol-15-Kentaro-Miura/dp/1593075774/ref=pd_sim_b_2) - 14 Left
Volume 17 (http://www.amazon.com/Berserk-Vol-17-Kentaro-Miura/dp/1593077424/ref=pd_sim_b_1) - 3 Left
Volume 21 (http://www.amazon.com/Berserk-Vol-21-Kentaro-Miura/dp/1593077467/ref=pd_sim_b_2) - 14 Left
Volume 23 (http://www.amazon.com/Berserk-Vol-23-Kentaro-Miura/dp/1593078641/ref=pd_sim_b_1) - 19 Left
Volume 24 (http://www.amazon.com/Berserk-Vol-24-Kentaro-Miura/dp/159307865X/ref=pd_sim_b_1) - 7 Left
Volume 25 (http://www.amazon.com/Berserk-Vol-25-Kentaro-Miura/dp/1593079214/ref=pd_sim_b_1) - 12 Left
Volume 26 (http://www.amazon.com/Berserk-Vol-26-Kentaro-Miura/dp/1593079222/ref=pd_sim_b_1) - 11 Left
Volume 27 (http://www.amazon.com/Berserk-Vol-27-Kentaro-Miura/dp/1593079230/ref=pd_sim_b_1) - 10 Left
Volume 29 (http://www.amazon.com/Berserk-Vol-29-Kentaro-Miura/dp/1595822100/ref=pd_sim_b_1) - 1 Left


Out Of Stock, Temporarily, Possibly On Re-Order
Volume 4 (http://www.amazon.com/Berserk-Vol-4-Kentaro-Miura/dp/1593072031/ref=pd_sim_b_2) - Delayed? Months
Volume 5 (http://www.amazon.com/Berserk-Vol-5-Kentaro-Miura/dp/1593072511/ref=pd_sim_b_2)
Volume 29 (http://www.amazon.com/Berserk-Vol-29-Kentaro-Miura/dp/1595822100/ref=pd_sim_b_1) - Delayed? Weeks
Volume 33 (http://www.amazon.com/Berserk-Vol-33-Kentaro-Miura/dp/1595823727/ref=pd_sim_b_1)


Out Of Stock
Volume 7 (http://www.amazon.com/Berserk-Vol-7-Kentaro-Miura/dp/1593073283/ref=pd_sim_b_3)
Volume 8 (http://www.amazon.com/Berserk-Vol-8-Kentaro-Miura/dp/1593073291/ref=pd_sim_b_1)
Volume 9 (http://www.amazon.com/Berserk-Vol-9-Kentaro-Miura/dp/1593073305/ref=pd_sim_b_4)
Volume 10 (http://www.amazon.com/Berserk-Vol-10-Kentaro-Miura/dp/1593073313/ref=pd_sim_b_2)
Volume 11 (http://www.amazon.com/Berserk-Vol-11-Kentaro-Miura/dp/1593074700/ref=pd_sim_b_4)
Volume 12 (http://www.amazon.com/Berserk-Vol-12-Kentaro-Miura/dp/1593074840/ref=pd_sim_b_1)
Volume 13 (http://www.amazon.com/Berserk-Vol-13-Kentaro-Miura/dp/1593075006/ref=pd_sim_b_2)
Volume 14 (http://www.amazon.com/Berserk-Vol-14-Kentaro-Miura/dp/B005DI8C9K/ref=pd_sim_b_4)
Volume 16 (http://www.amazon.com/Berserk-Vol-16-Kentaro-Miura/dp/1593077068/ref=pd_sim_b_6)
Volume 18 (http://www.amazon.com/Berserk-Vol-18-Kentaro-Miura/dp/B005DI8GGO/ref=pd_sim_b_8)
Volume 28 (http://www.amazon.com/Berserk-Vol-28-Kentaro-Miura/dp/1595822097/ref=pd_sim_b_7)
Volume 30 (http://www.amazon.com/Berserk-Vol-30-Kentaro-Miura/dp/1595822119/ref=pd_sim_b_2)
Volume 31 (http://www.amazon.com/Berserk-Vol-31-Kentaro-Miura/dp/1595823662/ref=pd_sim_b_4)
Volume 32 (http://www.amazon.com/Berserk-Vol-32-Kentaro-Miura/dp/1595823670/ref=pd_sim_b_3)
Volume 34 (http://www.amazon.com/Berserk-Vol-34-Kentaro-Miura/dp/1595825320/ref=pd_sim_b_1)

As a fan I am glad to see people buying Berserk.  Maybe the movies, as disappointing as they are, have exposed people to the manga causing sales to increase.  At the same time I am annoyed because Berserk obviously could be doing better if there was Berserk to be sold.  Does anyone know who is responsible for printing Berserk and keeping stock up?  Is it Dark Horse, or DMP, or are they both massive failures?  Like I said Amazon is not the only place to buy Berserk, but I checked other sellers(Barnes & Nobles, RightStuff, Etc.) and they share the same problem.

I figure most people here already have all the Dark Horse volumes, or collect another variation, and might not be aware of this.
Title: Re: A lack of Berserk - Dark Horse & DMP
Post by: Aazealh on April 05, 2013, 06:07:56 PM
First of all allow me to commend you for doing this little research and making this thread, Bender. Great job. Second, I'm pretty sure Dark Horse is responsible. And it is indeed puzzling, worrying and annoying all at once. Hopefully there's a good reason (like a new, improved edition) or, more realistically, they'll reprint them all at once soon.
Title: Re: A lack of Berserk - Dark Horse & DMP
Post by: Bender on April 05, 2013, 06:28:55 PM
First of all allow me to commend you for doing this little research and making this thread, Bender. Great job. Second, I'm pretty sure Dark Horse is responsible. And it is indeed puzzling, worrying and annoying all at once. Hopefully there's a good reason (like a new, improved edition) or, more realistically, they'll reprint them all at once soon.

Thanks.  It is definitely something to be concerned about.  Even more so because Dark Horse and DMP appear not to be.
Title: Re: A lack of Berserk - Dark Horse & DMP
Post by: Walter on April 05, 2013, 06:38:46 PM
Thanks for all of this, Bender. It really has become a major issue for new readers of the series, and that's a real shame.

I'll reach out and see if I can get a comment from Dark Horse on the issue.
Title: Re: A lack of Berserk - Dark Horse & DMP
Post by: ApostleBob on April 05, 2013, 08:08:47 PM
Thanks for all of this, Bender. It really has become a major issue for new readers of the series, and that's a real shame.

I'll reach out and see if I can get a comment from Dark Horse on the issue.

Hopefully they're just re-issuing the volumes in better quality, though that's probably a pipe dream.  Any idea how the sales of the Dark Horse volumes were in general?  Was it doing well in the US in comparison to other mangas?

Title: Re: A lack of Berserk - Dark Horse & DMP
Post by: Bender on April 05, 2013, 08:23:31 PM
Thanks for all of this, Bender. It really has become a major issue for new readers of the series, and that's a real shame.

I'll reach out and see if I can get a comment from Dark Horse on the issue.

Exactly.  Their job is already hard enough when it comes to selling manga.  By allowing this to happen they are basically just sending people to scanlations and pirated scans of their own books.  I would be interested in hearing what they have to say. Is there even an excuse for this from a business perspective?  I don't understand how this happens to what Dark Horse says is, "one of our best-selling titles".

I looked on their forums, and there are a few threads complaining about this, but I didn't see an official responce
Title: Re: A lack of Berserk - Dark Horse & DMP
Post by: Walter on April 05, 2013, 08:35:02 PM
Exactly.  Their job is already hard enough when it comes to selling manga.  By allowing this to happen they are basically just sending people to scanlations and pirated scans of their own books.  I would be interested in hearing what they have to say. Is there even an excuse for this from a business perspective?  I don't understand how this happens to what Dark Horse says is, "one of our best-selling titles".
I'd hazard a guess that it could be because all publishers—comics, books, newspapers or otherwise—are facing tough times right now. Perhaps they are thinking: We'll print NEW editions for the fans that are already here, and the new ones can starve.

Which is short-sighted, to say the least.

I've already sent a pretty well worded comment to them through official means which includes the data you've posted here, but I'm going to go a little further. I know a guy who owns a pretty big comics store in my town. I'll see if he can get a distributor on the phone with a reason for the shortage, and if there's any end in sight for it. Though it's unlikely to get any official answer.
Title: Re: A lack of Berserk - Dark Horse & DMP
Post by: Bender on April 05, 2013, 09:10:04 PM
I'd hazard a guess that it could be because all publishers—comics, books, newspapers or otherwise—are facing tough times right now. Perhaps they are thinking: We'll print NEW editions for the fans that are already here, and the new ones can starve.

Which is short-sighted, to say the least.

I can understand cutting costs because things are tough and I know Berserk is not their only series, but how does a comic seller make money if it has no comics to sell. :???:  I hope Dark Horse is doing well.  I would hate for Berserk to get stuck in limbo for English readers.

I've already sent a pretty well worded comment to them through official means which includes the data you've posted here, but I'm going to go a little further. I know a guy who owns a pretty big comics store in my town. I'll see if he can get a distributor on the phone with a reason for the shortage, and if there's any end in sight for it. Though it's unlikely to get any official answer.

I hope you get some kind of answer.  It would be nice to have something to tell people who post here and in other places what to expect. 
Title: Re: A lack of Berserk - Dark Horse & DMP
Post by: ApostleBob on April 05, 2013, 09:56:29 PM
Maybe it is a print issue.  Perhaps they'll release them all in an eReader format and discontinue the printed volumes.
Title: Re: A lack of Berserk - Dark Horse & DMP
Post by: Bender on April 06, 2013, 12:26:52 PM
Maybe it is a print issue.  Perhaps they'll release them all in an eReader format and discontinue the printed volumes.

That would be a massive change that would make me, and I am sure others, mad after collecting their books for years.  I don't see that as the reason.
Title: Re: A lack of Berserk - Dark Horse & DMP
Post by: Walter on April 06, 2013, 04:05:26 PM
Maybe it is a print issue.  Perhaps they'll release them all in an eReader format and discontinue the printed volumes.
Is there a precedent for that...? Are other existing comic franchises making the jump to online readers? I know that Marvel has been pushing it, but it's been a sort of extra service on top of their print side.
Title: Re: A lack of Berserk - Dark Horse & DMP
Post by: ApostleBob on April 06, 2013, 06:55:26 PM
Is there a precedent for that...? Are other existing comic franchises making the jump to online readers? I know that Marvel has been pushing it, but it's been a sort of extra service on top of their print side.

I really don't know, but as an imported series it may be possible.  I really think it depends on how the english DH sales have been doing in comparison to their other titles but i don't have the metrics on that.  I hope that it's this over them discontinuing them in general.  Best case scenario is either a re-release or just printing a new batch of them.  The strange thing is that they're still printing the more recent volumes in english so far...
Title: Re: A lack of Berserk - Dark Horse & DMP
Post by: IncantatioN on April 06, 2013, 07:05:48 PM
Very interesting statistic and discussion, thanks for the info Bender.

How does this online statistic from Amazon translate to what is available at a local bookstore? Say I was able to find the out of stock volumes at a Forbidden Planet or Kinokuniya or Midtown Comics here in the city, it would mean that they obviously don't stock themselves on Amazon? If that's the case, these numbers could go either way. I'm not familiar with how Amazon works on their stocks.
Title: Re: A lack of Berserk - Dark Horse & DMP
Post by: Aazealh on April 06, 2013, 08:58:13 PM
I really don't know, but as an imported series it may be possible.  I really think it depends on how the english DH sales have been doing in comparison to their other titles but i don't have the metrics on that.

As far as I know they've always presented Berserk as being one of their best-selling manga series. Anyways, I highly doubt they'd discontinue physical printing in favor of an e-book format.

How does this online statistic from Amazon translate to what is available at a local bookstore? Say I was able to find the out of stock volumes at a Forbidden Planet or Kinokuniya or Midtown Comics here in the city, it would mean that they obviously don't stock themselves on Amazon?

Local bookstores obviously don't get their stock from Amazon, no... But if Amazon, Barnes & Nobles and the other big shops are all out of stock, you can bet it's a general problem. So some local shops could have some stock left, but wouldn't be able to renew it once it was gone.
Title: Re: A lack of Berserk - Dark Horse & DMP
Post by: ApostleBob on April 06, 2013, 09:25:51 PM
Just found this on the official site.

http://www.darkhorse.com/Search/Browse/berserk/PpwNwkt8 (http://www.darkhorse.com/Search/Browse/berserk/PpwNwkt8)

Apparently you can still buy all of them at regular cost.  I'm wondering why amazon has a shortage?
Title: Re: A lack of Berserk - Dark Horse & DMP
Post by: IncantatioN on April 06, 2013, 09:31:10 PM
Local bookstores obviously don't get their stock from Amazon, no... But if Amazon, Barnes & Nobles and the other big shops are all out of stock, you can bet it's a general problem. So some local shops could have some stock left, but wouldn't be able to renew it once it was gone.

That is a dire scenario for the franchise where new fans are involved : / and don't have access to the generous Gobolatula.

Last year I recall trying to pick up older Evangelion volumes for a pal on Amazon and for some expensive ones, it would ask me to choose which vendor to pick it up from and a multiple list was presented, listing the condition those volumes were in. Ironically, months later, I found the same volume at a local store for a reasonable price but it was available. I guess what I'm trying to say is I wish local stores in general signed up on Amazon or any popular site so people can have that option of buying a volume (ideal world scenario hehe).
Title: Re: A lack of Berserk - Dark Horse & DMP
Post by: Bender on April 06, 2013, 09:39:23 PM
Just found this on the official site.

http://www.darkhorse.com/Search/Browse/berserk/PpwNwkt8 (http://www.darkhorse.com/Search/Browse/berserk/PpwNwkt8)

Apparently you can still buy all of them at regular cost.  I'm wondering why amazon has a shortage?

You can't buy Berserk directly from Dark Horse.  They link you to a web store that is like a partner or official store. Things From Another World (http://www.tfaw.com/).  For instance if you click on Volume 36, there is a link on the right saying, "Buy print edition now! Berserk Volume 36 TPB is currently in stock at Things From Another World!".  If you click on lets say Volume 34, it tells you that it is not available.

That link pretty much sums up my post fairly well.  If you notice, underneath each volume there is either a "Buy Now" link or nothing.  The ones with nothing are the ones out of stock.
Title: Re: A lack of Berserk - Dark Horse & DMP
Post by: Walter on April 07, 2013, 02:20:20 AM
I wrote a detailed message to Dark Horse via their contact page, posted a new thread on their forum, contacted Animenewsnetwork (sad, but true!) with all of the details, and am looking up other channels I can start spreading the word about this.
Title: Re: A lack of Berserk - Dark Horse & DMP
Post by: Bender on April 07, 2013, 04:41:58 AM
contacted Animenewsnetwork (sad, but true!)

Alert the media! Nice. :ganishka:



Title: Re: A lack of Berserk - Dark Horse & DMP
Post by: Bender on April 09, 2013, 02:42:45 AM
Your thread on the Dark Horse forums got a response.  It seems the situation is pretty grim and that they don't have any intentions of printing more copies. Very disappointing.  :sad:

Quote from: http://boards.darkhorse.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=19979
While we at Dark Horse appreciate the concern over volumes being out of print, we have to look at both sales history and sales velocity in making our decisions about what to reprint. Though the numbers that BigRock posted are not entirely accurate, they are indicative of the low numbers of available stock for some volumes. But it's not just a matter of Dark Horse reprinting books. It only makes sense for us to reprint books for which we anticipate enough demand to make reprinting a worthwhile endeavor.

I took a look at our in-house sales history which tracks stock on hand (both in our warehouse and in Diamond Books Distributors' warehouse), number of copies sold per month, and unsold copies returned by the bookstore market. Even last year, when there was stock on hand for ALL of the volumes of Berserk, the sales velocity (copies sold per month) for many of the middle volumes was anywhere from single digits to low double digits (in the low teens). That means the consumer demand for many of those middle volumes is between 80 and 170 copies per year. Even going back to press for just 1000 copies (the bare minimum print quantity, for which you pay a higher than average printing price) would leave us with a six- to twelve-year supply. And, sadly, If at the end of those six to twelve years, we have managed to sell all one thousand of those copies, between storage, inventory taxes, and licensing fees, Dark Horse will end up in the red. Not really a recipe for staying in business.

Well, you say, why not raise the price of the books to cover the costs? Great. Except history has shown that raising prices on those volumes to the extent necessary to cover the costs would further erode sales -- and increase inventory taxes. So, that's a non-starter.

I'm just trying to layout the realities of the publishing business for you. Believe me, we'd love to be able to make everything available forever, but that's not realistic or possible.

I'm just the messenger here, but if somebody can figure out a way for us to provide Berserk readers with copies and allow us to stay in business at the same time, I'd love to hear it.
Title: Re: A lack of Berserk - Dark Horse & DMP
Post by: ApostleBob on April 09, 2013, 03:56:33 AM
They may as well just send people to get scans with atrocious translations.  While their own translations weren't always 1:1, they were typically pretty reliable.  Glad I got mine when I could. 

Let this be a lesson to all the fans who rely on scanlations instead of supporting the actual work.  Not only does it hurt Miura, it makes it impossible to gauge the popularity of the series in the foreign langage market. 

They didn't even mention the possibility of making Berserk available in an e-reader format, something that I'd imagine would have much lower overhead.  I hope at the very least that they'll do this.

I hope this isn't a precursor to DH abandoning new volumes altogether.  I'd be pissed if they stop releasing new volumes as Miura draws the series to a close.  Which of course, could realistically take another decade  :slan:

Title: Re: A lack of Berserk - Dark Horse & DMP
Post by: Tama on April 09, 2013, 06:04:51 AM
Your thread on the Dark Horse forums got a response.  It seems the situation is pretty grim and that they don't have any intentions of printing more copies. Very disappointing.  :sad:


Interesting insight. Thats a real shame though. :(
Title: Re: A lack of Berserk - Dark Horse & DMP
Post by: EeXerO on April 09, 2013, 07:04:58 AM
That sucks! :( I really hope they won't stop doing Berserk altogether.
Title: Re: A lack of Berserk - Dark Horse & DMP
Post by: dasfdeas on April 09, 2013, 07:06:18 AM
They may as well just send people to get scans with atrocious translations.  While their own translations weren't always 1:1, they were typically pretty reliable.  Glad I got mine when I could. 

Let this be a lesson to all the fans who rely on scanlations instead of supporting the actual work.  Not only does it hurt Miura, it makes it impossible to gauge the popularity of the series in the foreign langage market. 

They didn't even mention the possibility of making Berserk available in an e-reader format, something that I'd imagine would have much lower overhead.  I hope at the very least that they'll do this.

I hope this isn't a precursor to DH abandoning new volumes altogether.  I'd be pissed if they stop releasing new volumes as Miura draws the series to a close.  Which of course, could realistically take another decade  :slan:



I have to say, I do agree with you to some extent, but I really doubt that scanlations had a major impact one way or another.  I think it has far more to do with changing tastes in enterainment; there were easily traded .rar/.zip scanlations on Usenet in the 90's, back when Viz was at the top of the pile.  The difference is that in the 90's, there were still a lot  of brick and mortar comic book stores and newsstands/bookstores.  People who were in their teens and 20's also were still accustomed to buying comic books and graphic novels fairly regularly. 

I hate to take the rose colored glasses off, but the fact is that printed comic books are dying as well, I don't think it's a Berserk or manga specific issue at all.  One of my biggest criticisms of Dark Horse as compared to Marvel, DC and Image (who all make their content available in a digital format at a fairly reasonable price) is that they once were the forerunners of cutting edge content, but they have allowed themselves to be swept aside by the transition to digital media.  I don't know if they have enough flagship series at this point to carry the service they currently offer, which is based on selling individual issues from $1.99 up.  Hopefully they can get it together, but this affects more than just Berserk.
Title: Re: A lack of Berserk - Dark Horse & DMP
Post by: Aazealh on April 09, 2013, 08:39:16 AM
Your thread on the Dark Horse forums got a response.  It seems the situation is pretty grim and that they don't have any intentions of printing more copies. Very disappointing.  :sad:

Pretty sad indeed, although I cannot fault their reasoning. Still, I find it rather surprising that a country as populated as the USA would see so little sales.

Let this be a lesson to all the fans who rely on scanlations instead of supporting the actual work.

Those people most likely don't care, and they aren't real fans.

They didn't even mention the possibility of making Berserk available in an e-reader format, something that I'd imagine would have much lower overhead.  I hope at the very least that they'll do this.

Indeed, not to mention that it's the format of the future. But it would require a new contract between them and Hakusensha, so it might be easier said than done.
Title: Re: A lack of Berserk - Dark Horse & DMP
Post by: Walter on April 09, 2013, 10:46:20 AM
I'm formulating a reply now. I'm advocating the possibility of adopting an e-reader format for the middle volumes, and keeping the printing press happy with the newer volumes. Of course, that's up to Hakusensha.

I think this is a key piece of evidence against the belief that scanlations help foster growth for a series. We're seeing the fallout damage right before our eyes.
Title: Re: A lack of Berserk - Dark Horse & DMP
Post by: Walter on April 09, 2013, 01:23:12 PM
Excuse the double post but we've got another reply from Dark Horse on the matter:

Quote from: http://boards.darkhorse.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=19979
We would absolutely offer the volumes (all of them) digitally -- if the Japanese publisher would grant us that license. Unfortunately, our attempts to obtain it from them have been unsuccessful.

No surprise, really. We've discussed at length how it could benefit Berserk (and Young Animal in general) to be in a legitimate electronic format. The publishers are simply going to have to face facts that the landscape for the medium has drastically changed.
Title: Re: A lack of Berserk - Dark Horse & DMP
Post by: Gobolatula on April 09, 2013, 02:45:01 PM
I wonder how expensive a print-on-demand type deal would cost... Probably something outrageous. Ugh this sucks.
Title: Re: A lack of Berserk - Dark Horse & DMP
Post by: Walter on April 09, 2013, 02:46:12 PM
I wonder how expensive a print-on-demand type deal would cost... Probably something outrageous. Ugh this sucks.
He says that 1,000 is the absolute minimum order, and even that comes with an extra cost. I can't imagine the cost of spinning up the press for a single issue. Thousands.
Title: Re: A lack of Berserk - Dark Horse & DMP
Post by: Bender on April 09, 2013, 03:01:07 PM
Still, I find it rather surprising that a country as populated as the USA would see so little sales.

Same here.  I wonder how that applies to large web shops like Amazon who might have had a large amount of copies of a volume stashed away?

The publishers are simply going to have to face facts that the landscape for the medium has drastically changed.

This is unfortunate for me.  I buy and read very little e-published material.  I personally like to have physical books and magazines.
Title: Re: A lack of Berserk - Dark Horse & DMP
Post by: IncantatioN on April 09, 2013, 03:14:12 PM
A 1000 run of CDs with CD-art, booklet, back inlay, jewel or plastic case, shrink-wrapped, bar-code, sticker on the top comes to around $1600.00 / $1700.00 (give and take) that also includes the cost to ship the final product within the US from the production plant/ factory to the record label. Physical retail stores sell them for $12-$15 in NYC, pre-tax. It's just an example, two completely different formats in comparison but the end product price point is roughly similar. I don't know how expensive it is to print a volume in that specific page format, bind it, color cover with a poster embedded the way it is for Berserk. Don't know if DH has to pay a licensing fee for every re-print or whether it is a one-time fee.

I personally wouldn't mind contributing a little to help them reprint those out-of-stock volumes. IF it costs $5000 for a volume at a 1000 copies, a 100 of us donates $5 each and we're set. Just thinking out loud cos that's half of what I pay for lunch every day, it's a small amount considering the larger (good) picture. Is that something this community can bring to the table and help with or it wouldn't matter because of some sort of power-play where DH is pushing for digital only, and by not re-printing, they're making a point of it to Hakusensha?
Title: Re: A lack of Berserk - Dark Horse & DMP
Post by: dasfdeas on April 09, 2013, 04:46:08 PM
I think this is a key piece of evidence against the belief that scanlations help foster growth for a series. We're seeing the fallout damage right before our eyes.

I think you are right to the extent that they don't help or benefit growth in anyway, Walter, but I still think the extent to which they hurt sales is greatly overstated.  I really believe it's more of switch in consumer tastes.  Let me give an example:  I have an 18 year old cousin who I introduced to Berserk, through the 97 series.  He enjoyed that, did not enjoy the first recent movie, and was content to leave his Berserk experience at that even though he liked it (he said something along the lines of "I'll wait for another TV series if it's good").  The simple reason is that he doesn't buy comics or manga, he doesn't even buy DVDs or Blu-Rays, he just streams video (with Hulu, Netflix and Crunchy Roll) and has the Marvel Comics app on his iPad.  I'm pretty confident he would buy a Dark Horse app as well, if it were structured more similarly to the Marvel one and had Berserk.

 I've talked to him about it a lot, and it's pretty standard with his generation (as compared to those of us who remember dial-up), they have no use for physical media and want everything centered around the media hub of their tablet.  There are only so many of us who keep enjoying Berserk (even if not anime/manga in general) after a certain age (say 25), and if the younger audience has tuned it out due to the strict adherence to print, it's not looking good for Berserk in the U.S.
Title: Re: A lack of Berserk - Dark Horse & DMP
Post by: Aazealh on April 09, 2013, 05:35:56 PM
This is unfortunate for me.  I buy and read very little e-published material.  I personally like to have physical books and magazines.

As most of us do, but it's true that digital distribution is the way of the future. Ideally there's no reason we couldn't have both, although here the topic is more about having only one instead of none at all.

I personally wouldn't mind contributing a little to help them reprint those out-of-stock volumes. IF it costs $5000 for a volume at a 1000 copies, a 100 of us donates $5 each and we're set.

100 x 5 = 500, not 5000. And if we're going to fund a printing of Berserk I'd rather make my own edition and, for once, do it justice.

I think you are right to the extent that they don't help or benefit growth in anyway, Walter, but I still think the extent to which they hurt sales is greatly overstated.  I really believe it's more of switch in consumer tastes.

Greatly overstated? Get real. An average Berserk volume barely sells over 100 copies a year according to Dark Horse. In the same time period the entire series is obtained online illegally tens of thousands of times at the very least (Don't believe me? Go look at any torrent tracker stats). So please spare me this bullshit. If even a fraction of those guys bought the series the current situation with DH would be vastly different. And that's what the main issue is for those people: having to pay for it. Not that it's Print vs Digital. It was already like that 10 years ago.
Title: Re: A lack of Berserk - Dark Horse & DMP
Post by: Tama on April 09, 2013, 05:54:59 PM
It's always makes me steamed when I meet new people that don't purchase official merchandise to help support what they love. I know I'm just preaching to the choir but the few times I was able to go to some anime conventions I was shocked at how many people I've met who told me they just torrent all video and manga scans. :( I guess I'm in the minority.
Title: Re: A lack of Berserk - Dark Horse & DMP
Post by: IncantatioN on April 09, 2013, 06:17:52 PM
Oops, my train of thought was quicker than what I wanted to say, sorry about that miscalculation. Was doing the math at $5 and then $10, then $15 in my head and made the post, what a mess. My apologies.

Agree with what you say in the end, Aazealh. A similar situation is in place for music. In support of physical format, vinyl is making a come back and I hope a similar wave hits the book/ manga industry.

And if we're going to fund a printing of Berserk I'd rather make my own edition and, for once, do it justice.

How would one go about this? Sounds bloody exciting when you think about it. I would love to read a version where there are no errors in dialog (only thanks to the forum that I even knew of bad translations, something a new fan wouldn't have access to) and possibly have it in larger page format sort of like a dream version. I'm sorry I digress from the main issue, please feel free to edit the post.

In the alternate that it isn't possible, I'd be open to the idea of helping (like if there was a Donate section just for Berserk) DH re-print those OOP volumes for the sake of a new fan.
Title: Re: A lack of Berserk - Dark Horse & DMP
Post by: Walter on April 09, 2013, 06:23:42 PM
Walter, but I still think the extent to which they hurt sales is greatly overstated. 
Aaz speaks for me on this subject. It's something we've discussed dozens of times over the years, and addressed it on the podcast a few times as well. Pirates have critically damaged this industry, all in the name of spreading the name of the series far and wide. Even if you approach that concept as an idealist, the trouble with that mindset is that it laid the infrastructure to completely invalidate acquiring the series legitimately, for all but the biggest fans.

It's quite simple, really. Pirates have made obtaining things illegally infinitely more convenient than the legitimate method, and it's free. So, why should you bother to order a real copy? Why bother to support the author of a series you love?

"Somebody else will take care of that."
"I would buy them, but I already have them all on my hard drive ."
"Hey back off, I bought the first three, and I'll get around to buying the others eventually. But for now I have the scanlations."


And on, and on the excuses go.

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I really believe it's more of switch in consumer tastes.
I think that's a pretty ignorant belief, in the face of all the evidence we have. There's clearly something more sinister going on here to tarnish the market than mere superfluous preference. If preference were the biggest roadblock to someone not buying the series, then I guess they weren't really all that interested to begin with. I'd buy Berserk if it were on stone tablets.
Title: Re: A lack of Berserk - Dark Horse & DMP
Post by: Aazealh on April 09, 2013, 06:31:05 PM
How would one go about this? Sounds bloody exciting when you think about it. I would love to read a version where there are no errors in dialog (only thanks to the forum that I even knew of bad translations, something a new fan wouldn't have access to) and possibly have it in larger page format sort of like a dream version.

It would necessitate a lot of money (and a lot of work), so at the moment it's a waste of time to even talk about it. One can dream, though.
Title: Re: A lack of Berserk - Dark Horse & DMP
Post by: ApostleBob on April 09, 2013, 07:46:43 PM
A sale figure of 80 to 170 copies per volume annually for the entire United States is just embarrassing.  I know there are more way more fans stateside than this.  Apparently most are entitled to receive Miura's life's work at no expense.  And that's not a judgement.  These figures show it as a fact.  Didn't realize the scanlation problem impacted the market this significantly.

This must make the English speaking market a tiny percentage of the 32 million volumes sold statistic I've heard about the series.  I'm really pretty mad because it makes it appear as if my market couldn't care less about the series.   :mozgus:
Title: Re: A lack of Berserk - Dark Horse & DMP
Post by: Walter on April 09, 2013, 07:48:49 PM
A sale figure of 80 to 170 copies per volume annually for the entire United States is just embarrassing.  I know there are more way more fans stateside than this.  Apparently most are entitled to receive Miura's life's work at no expense.  And that's not a judgement.  These figures show it as a fact. 
Keep in mind, the number was referenced for the middle volumes, as in, not the first few volumes that newer fans might pick up, and not the newer volumes that people buy as they come out.
Title: Re: A lack of Berserk - Dark Horse & DMP
Post by: ApostleBob on April 09, 2013, 08:47:18 PM
Keep in mind, the number was referenced for the middle volumes, as in, not the first few volumes that newer fans might pick up, and not the newer volumes that people buy as they come out.

No I get that.  I never meant to imply that I thought that all volumes were selling so poorly, but I see how that came off.  It makes sense that there's a dip in the middle.  The established fan base that already has the back volumes are still buying new ones and obviously not concerned with the older volumes that they already own.  The early volumes still having steady pick-up might just be newcomers who give it a shot and lose interest, or else those who start with paper and move on to scans when faced with the investment of a 36+ volume investment. 

But the amount of drop off for the middle volumes is just staggering.
Title: Re: A lack of Berserk - Dark Horse & DMP
Post by: Aazealh on April 09, 2013, 09:00:47 PM
This must make the English speaking market a tiny percentage of the 32 million volumes sold statistic I've heard about the series.

See this post for reference.


Announcement date            Volumes released                Amount sold in Japan                Amount sold internationally
March 29, 199916 volumes available10 million volumes sold
February 11, 200527 volumes available20 million volumes sold
January 13, 200629 volumes available21 million volumes sold
April 28, 200630 volumes available21.5 million volumes sold
June 08, 200630 volumes available21.5 million volumes sold4 million volumes sold
March 28, 200832 volumes available23 million volumes sold4 million volumes sold
June 25, 201034 volumes available24 million volumes sold7 million volumes sold
March 28, 201336 volumes available25 million volumes sold8.5 million volumes sold


The international sales are pretty sizable all things considered, but Dark Horse sales apparently don't contribute to that number all that much. For reference, in 2005 Dark Horse was advertising that the first five volumes had sold over 100,000 copies. (http://www.darkhorse.com/Books/10-490/Berserk-Volume-8-TPB) Then in 2009, they advertised "over half a million copies of Berserk" sold, (http://www.skullknight.net/forum/index.php?topic=7043.msg178305#msg178305) and "over 100,000 books sold in this year alone" (http://www.darkhorse.com/Books/15-720/Berserk-Volume-28-TPB). So it seems that unless they lied at some point (either in responding to Walter or in their original bragging), which is unlikely, the momentum has somehow died since then. What's for sure is that they still currently indicate "Over 500,000 copies of Berserk in print" (http://www.darkhorse.com/Books/19-238/Berserk-Volume-36-TPB), which does appear to confirm that the sales rate has slowed down. I wonder how many of each new volume they print...
Title: Re: A lack of Berserk - Dark Horse & DMP
Post by: dasfdeas on April 10, 2013, 07:01:38 AM
Just to clarify, I would like to say that I don't support piracy and have purchased each of the U.S. volumes.  Having said that, I took a look at a not to be named torrent site and was quite surprised by the results.  I do see your point, but I just don't know that going forward you are going to see the print comic/manga market in the U.S. survive even if piracy is tackled in a meaningful way, because I don't think that it's a 1 to 1 of one illegal download equaling a lost sale.  Maybe with older, established series there will continue to be a market, but I just don't know that there is a willingness to pay for any form of a physical media among teenagers right now who will make up the vast majority of comic/manga buyers going forward. 
Title: Re: A lack of Berserk - Dark Horse & DMP
Post by: Aazealh on April 10, 2013, 08:34:20 AM
I do see your point, but I just don't know that going forward you are going to see the print comic/manga market in the U.S. survive even if piracy is tackled in a meaningful way, because I don't think that it's a 1 to 1 of one illegal download equaling a lost sale.

It's never going to be a 1:1 ratio, but as I already said even if it was a 100:1 ratio it'd be enough to make a difference. That's the bottom line here.

As for the Print vs Digital market issue, that's another topic altogether (and the two really shouldn't be conflated). Legal digital versions will not be bought as long as illegal free ones are readily available. That's the truth of it. There's no question that piracy is a serious issue and that fighting it would make a difference.
Title: Re: A lack of Berserk - Dark Horse & DMP
Post by: Lithrael on April 10, 2013, 01:33:20 PM
It's never going to be a 1:1 ratio, but as I already said even if it was a 100:1 ratio it'd be enough to make a difference. That's the bottom line here.

I don't mean to downplay piracy's negative impact but I'm always astounded how many kids download stuff that they never, ever even look at.  I'd think a more reliable indicator would be how many page hits those 'read manga online' sites get.  

As for the Print vs Digital market issue, that's another topic altogether (and the two really shouldn't be conflated). Legal digital versions will not be bought as long as illegal free ones are readily available. That's the truth of it.

On the other hand, legal digital versions will not be bought as long as they don't exist.  They also will not be bought as long as the price is analogous to physical media.  I'd consider myself a typical case and I turn to legit sites for most of my entertainment purposes now because the stuff I want is increasingly available on demand for a decent price, even though I have easy access to pirated content.  

eta: I do think we're approaching the point where this stuff is working as intended, and now we just need to shift the attitudes in the customer base.  "Don't pirate that, get a ride to the store and pay $25 for it if they have it" was a hard sell, "Don't pirate that, it's $1.95 on Amazon on demand you dick" IMO should have a lot more traction.  Once every-damn-thing is online we can call it the new normal.

There's no question that piracy is a serious issue and that fighting it would make a difference.

True, true.
Title: Re: A lack of Berserk - Dark Horse & DMP
Post by: IncantatioN on April 10, 2013, 01:44:02 PM
That's an excellent statistic Aazealh, thanks for it and it's pretty good to see an increase in sales figures, slow and steady but constant given the release schedule (frustrating to some) or the online piracy situation.

Do you have similar figures for volumes 35 and 36? I saw volume 37 hit the number 2 spot when it came out (according to MAL).
Title: Re: A lack of Berserk - Dark Horse & DMP
Post by: Aazealh on April 10, 2013, 02:24:49 PM
I don't mean to downplay piracy's negative impact but I'm always astounded how many kids download stuff that they never, ever even look at.  I'd think a more reliable indicator would be how many page hits those 'read manga online' sites get.

It kind of does come across as an attempt to downplay it, but I'll agree that some people just hoard content without ever putting it to use. Anyway, adding stats from "online readers" would easily push into the hundreds of thousands of times the series is "consumed" each year, and that's being conservative.

On the other hand, legal digital versions will not be bought as long as they don't exist.  They also will not be bought as long as the price is analogous to physical media.

Like I said, it's another issue altogether. Since no one here's saying a proper digital offer shouldn't exist (quite the contrary, in fact), I don't know why we're even talking about it.
Title: Re: A lack of Berserk - Dark Horse & DMP
Post by: ApostleBob on April 11, 2013, 06:21:18 PM
Where can I find a more up to date metric on how Berserk's sales record.  Aaz's statistc is great, but it's three years old now.  Does Hakusensha publish this information or is this just found nestled in with promos and such?  Both current domestic and international sales would be great to know.
Title: Re: A lack of Berserk - Dark Horse & DMP
Post by: Aazealh on April 11, 2013, 06:41:50 PM
Where can I find a more up to date metric on how Berserk's sales record.  Aaz's statistc is great, but it's three years old now.  Does Hakusensha publish this information or is this just found nestled in with promos and such?

They regularly publish those numbers in YA when advertising.
Title: Re: A lack of Berserk - Dark Horse & DMP
Post by: ApostleBob on April 11, 2013, 07:33:32 PM
They regularly publish those numbers in YA when advertising.

I don't have a subscription to YA.  Any chance you can share what the most recent figures are if you have one?  Also, I can't read japanese.
Title: Re: A lack of Berserk - Dark Horse & DMP
Post by: Aazealh on April 11, 2013, 07:41:47 PM
I don't have a subscription to YA.  Any chance you can share what the most recent figures are if you do?

I don't really feel like searching for them at the moment. Maybe at some other time.

EDIT: Alright, here are the latest numbers: 25 million copies sold in Japan, 8.5 million sold internationally.
Title: Re: A lack of Berserk - Dark Horse & DMP
Post by: ApostleBob on April 12, 2013, 03:36:29 AM
I don't really feel like searching for them at the moment. Maybe at some other time.

Well if you get a chance, it would be appreciated.  I'm curious if the new films have influenced sales.  Thanks in advance Aazealh.

EDIT:  Thanks for the research Aaz
Title: Re: A lack of Berserk - Dark Horse & DMP
Post by: Akebobo on April 12, 2013, 01:38:20 PM
Well, crap.  I had all the Japanese volumes up to 32, but didn't bother with a full library of DH releases, just a few here and there.  After reading this thread I bought up all the missing volumes amazon still had available but I'm still shy 15 books from a full run.
I honestly believe the release schedule is what hurts Berserk most.  We here understand (for the most part) the necessity for the lengthening release cycle as the art has become increasingly complex, but for more casual fans it's difficult to stay invested when you have to wait so long for the next piece.  I fell away from fandom for a long while, really until the release of the first movie kind of rekindled my interest, and from there I've really come to appreciate the manga far more than I ever did before.
I've scrambled to catch up in the merch department, buying up AOW stuff when I can (super big thanks to Nirvana and IncantatioN) but the prospect of paying $30-40 each for out of print volumes... ouch!
Title: Re: A lack of Berserk - Dark Horse & DMP
Post by: Aazealh on April 12, 2013, 01:43:34 PM
I honestly believe the release schedule is what hurts Berserk most.  We here understand (for the most part) the necessity for the lengthening release cycle as the art has become increasingly complex, but for more casual fans it's difficult to stay invested when you have to wait so long for the next piece.

Keep in mind though that for someone only reading the volumes, the release cycle isn't all that different from what it was. It's once a year now, was twice a year before. If someone's willing to wait 6 months to read what's next, I think they can wait a year as well. Now of course, coming from DH's hastened schedule of one volume every 3 months that's a bigger gap, but that was always going to end once the US releases caught up with the Japanese ones.

I've scrambled to catch up in the merch department, buying up AOW stuff when I can (super big thanks to Nirvana and IncantatioN) but the prospect of paying $30-40 each for out of print volumes... ouch!

Maybe you should have bought the volumes first before purchasing merch that costs several hundred bucks a piece?
Title: Re: A lack of Berserk - Dark Horse & DMP
Post by: Akebobo on April 12, 2013, 02:47:22 PM
I didn't realize there would be a shortage, so it didn't seem priority.  Now my heart is filled with regret, and sorrows fill my empty wallet.
Title: Re: A lack of Berserk - Dark Horse & DMP
Post by: Hanma_Baki on April 12, 2013, 05:25:06 PM
Wow, great thread, thanks to everyone discussing.

One of the guys I was talking about in the "Initiating other people to the series" (http://www.skullknight.net/forum/index.php?topic=12196.0) thread recently contacted me and finally wanted me to introduce him to the manga after I told him the third movie´ll probably take a while before getting released and whatnot... And as a pure reaction I was thinking of giving him scans... :magni:
Luckily I read this thread before meeting him. But Im def sure he wont buy it himself (not to mention that there apparently arent that many available) so I´ll probably lend him my copies... (Of which some still got the plastic wrap on since I re-newed the collection some year ago, and I havent gotten around to read 'em yet, but boy! Am I glad I did it back then when they were still available :troll: )

Seriously, I feel so sorry for new fans who really want to buy it, hell, I´d go crazeh! (or even more anyway)


Someone speculated the re-print issue also might be a strategy from DH in order to "open up" Hakusensha´s eyes (or thats how I interpreted it anyway) to a new contract regarding e-book format releases, but I dont believe it got any response. Anyone else have any thoughts on that? Officially that Randy guy would never address anything about that of course but... I think it sounds reasonable, but according to the international sales figures on that table Aaz posted (excluding the US) Im afraid Hakusensha wont be intimidated :void:
Title: Re: A lack of Berserk - Dark Horse & DMP
Post by: Rhombaad on April 12, 2013, 06:25:33 PM
I've scrambled to catch up in the merch department, buying up AOW stuff when I can (super big thanks to Nirvana and IncantatioN) but the prospect of paying $30-40 each for out of print volumes... ouch!

Please. I paid almost $70.00 for an out-of-print copy of Vagabond volume 16. Where's your dedication?! :daiba:

:troll:
Title: Re: A lack of Berserk - Dark Horse & DMP
Post by: Aazealh on April 12, 2013, 08:33:44 PM
Someone speculated the re-print issue also might be a strategy from DH in order to "open up" Hakusensha´s eyes (or thats how I interpreted it anyway) to a new contract regarding e-book format releases, but I dont believe it got any response. Anyone else have any thoughts on that? Officially that Randy guy would never address anything about that of course but... I think it sounds reasonable, but according to the international sales figures on that table Aaz posted (excluding the US) Im afraid Hakusensha wont be intimidated

Honestly I doubt Dark Horse would try to pull off any weird scheme like that (and from what they've told us in the past, they definitely have no way to put any pressure on Hakusensha at all). That Randy guy's explanation was perfectly logical from a business perspective and so I think it's most likely the plain truth.

It also fits their official numbers to a large extent: if you consider that the first 5 volumes sold around 100,000 copies, well that's ~20,000 buyers. Multiply that number of buyers by 36 (the amount of volumes out) and it's "just" 720,000 copies sold. Now if you consider that not all of the buyers bought each and every issue (which we can be sure of), that number can quickly go down. The "over 500,000" line appeared for the release of volume 31, meaning the number was breached with volume 30. That's 100,000 copies less than if we had stuck with the original 20,000 buyers figure. Which is actually a pretty honest retention rate over 30 volumes if you ask me. A testament to Berserk's quality.

Anyway, taking that loss of buyers into account, with 6 additional volumes the current sales numbers are likely close to 600,000 copies, but have probably not passed it yet. And it's not enough of a landmark that they'd necessarily advertize it anyway, preferring to stick to the "over half a million copies sold" line until they'd pass 750,000 copies for example.

Now, with all that being said, it's still rather short-sighted on DH's part to not be reprinting the volumes while there's a big media push for Berserk (related to the movies' release). No one's going to start buying a series when two thirds of its volumes are out of stock with no indication of when they'll be stocked again, so it's a vicious circle they'll never come out of. And for a company as big as theirs, I'm surprised that printing these volumes would be that big of a deal, but then again I don't know about their current financial health.

What's sure is that out of all the potential buyers of an English version (beyond the USA there's Canada, the UK, Australia, etc. plus a lot of overlooked countries without a local language option that would rely on it), 20,000 buyers really isn't much at all. Berserk can most definitely sell better than that.
Title: Re: A lack of Berserk - Dark Horse & DMP
Post by: Hanma_Baki on April 14, 2013, 10:12:46 AM
Ah yeah, I guess I never whole-heartedly believed it myself, just got the feeling the notion got a bit taboo labeled since nobody adress it and I got suspicious :iva:

Anyway, as always, thanks for elaborating.
Title: Re: A lack of Berserk - Dark Horse & DMP
Post by: ApostleBob on April 14, 2013, 10:45:09 PM
It also fits their official numbers to a large extent: if you consider that the first 5 volumes sold around 100,000 copies, well that's ~20,000 buyers. Multiply that number of buyers by 36 (the amount of volumes out) and it's "just" 720,000 copies sold. Now if you consider that not all of the buyers bought each and every issue (which we can be sure of), that number can quickly go down. The "over 500,000" line appeared for the release of volume 31, meaning the number was breached with volume 30. That's 100,000 copies less than if we had stuck with the original 20,000 buyers figure. Which is actually a pretty honest retention rate over 30 volumes if you ask me. A testament to Berserk's quality.

Anyway, taking that loss of buyers into account, with 6 additional volumes the current sales numbers are likely close to 600,000 copies, but have probably not passed it yet. And it's not enough of a landmark that they'd necessarily advertize it anyway, preferring to stick to the "over half a million copies sold" line until they'd pass 750,000 copies for example.

...

What's sure is that out of all the potential buyers of an English version (beyond the USA there's Canada, the UK, Australia, etc. plus a lot of overlooked countries without a local language option that would rely on it), 20,000 buyers really isn't much at all. Berserk can most definitely sell better than that.

Thanks for this breakdown Aazealh.  It's hard to believe that the average number of paying Berserk fans in the English market is around 20,000 but the math looks sound.
Title: Re: A lack of Berserk - Dark Horse & DMP
Post by: dasfdeas on April 15, 2013, 05:36:02 AM
I don't want to keep de-railing this thread, but I would like to address some of the issues involved and in particular Dark Horse's financial status, that Aazealh alluded to.  I don't want to badmouth Dark Horse anyway as I am a fan of their work and a customer, but the facts are the facts and in the end talking about them on a forum probably won't concern them too much.

I have a friend who works for a major comics distributor (you can probably guess which one, there's really only one left) and I've discussed this with him at length.  All of the comic/manga publishers are hurting right now, but Dark Horse is in a very bad position as compared to Marvel, DC and even Image.  

Here's the reason: the comics are now being seen, going forward, as the means by which to sell apps, licenses for action figures (or in Image's case, MacFarlane toys directly) and movies/tv shows. Dark Horse got into the app game late, and their app is devoid of titles and very highly priced per issue. On top of that, they own very few marquee series (i.e. they don't own Buffy the Vampire Slayer or Star Wars). The bulk of their income comes from printed comics/manga so the Marvel business model just doesn't work for them. Plus, they mainly print traditional comics, as they don't have a giant back catalogue to print large TPBs and hardcover books with (whereas Marvel has been making a ton of money on their X-Men and Spider Man reprints). So not only do they rely on publishing almost exclusively, but they don't have the titles/rights to create the one thing people ARE buying, TPBs and hardcovers. For example, Marvel just keeps reprinting Phoenix Saga, Age of Apocalypse and Days of Future Past TPBs with no print run end in sight.

Just to make sure I'm clear here, I like Dark Horse a lot. I've been buying their comics since the early 90's, and have great memories of them. But they are not well poised to adapt to the changing marketplace, and keeping Berserk in print is probably at the low end of their priorities. Even my friend, who works on the distribution side of the comics industry, is looking for a new job because his probably won't exist anymore in 10 years as comic shops, bookstores and newsstands are on life support. If you really read the comments that were made on the Dark Horse forum, that response comes across as very frustrated to say the least. The best we can do is get people to buy the new volumes, but beyond that it's just not a good time to be a printed manga fan in the U.S.
Title: Re: A lack of Berserk - Dark Horse & DMP
Post by: Aazealh on April 15, 2013, 08:28:36 AM
Thanks TelegramSam, that's an interesting perspective, though I can't say I'm surprised by what you're saying. That being said, I think the manga market should probably be considered a bit differently than the traditional US comic book one. Not to mention that classic Marvel & DC series are always going to be more of a hit than foreign series in the USA.

It's hard to believe that the average number of paying Berserk fans in the English market is around 20,000 but the math looks sound.

It's less than that nowadays if we factor in a slow erosion of sales like what I speculated in the previous post. There's no way to know the exact model of course (especially since we don't have the actual total number of volumes sold), but I doubt there's more than 15,000 "active" fans currently purchasing the volumes.
Title: Re: A lack of Berserk - Dark Horse & DMP
Post by: Groovy Metal Fist on April 17, 2013, 02:47:59 AM
Even if you didn't consider the morality of it, relying on scans for Berserk still would be a terrible idea. Well that is unless you like listening to Guts call Ganishka faggot ass or apostles making Austin Powers references. Don't subject yourself to that awful dialogue.
Title: Re: A lack of Berserk - Dark Horse & DMP
Post by: ApostleBob on April 17, 2013, 03:47:56 AM
Even if you didn't consider the morality of it, relying on scans for Berserk still would be a terrible idea. Well that is unless you like listening to Guts call Ganishka faggot ass or apostles making Austin Powers references. Don't subject yourself to that awful dialogue.

Agreed, but it means we'll need to rely on sites like this more than ever to receive accurate translations.  I really hope Dark Horse is able to continue to publish volumes until the end of the series.
Title: Re: A lack of Berserk - Dark Horse & DMP
Post by: JezzaX on April 18, 2013, 06:03:39 PM
I'm a bit baffled as to why now, of all times, DH has decided to not encourage more prints of Berserk manga. Whilst many of us agree that the new films are a very poor representation of the manga, it has increased awareness of Berserk to a new generation of anime lovers, that are likely very curious to it's origin and in turn could promote more manga sales.

Although, I do think that DH has been on the side of caution when choosing the amount they send to print with each volume anyway. I didn't start buying all the English volumes until a few years back, when DH had nearly caught up to the Japanese releases and then I decided to buy 3 volumes  every month until I had the entire collection, which in itself proved to be a challenge, especially with volume 15. Now, whilst I'm not proud of what I did, it became infuriating not being able to find volume 15 for several months, so much so that I bought volume 16 and had to settle for a horrible scanlation to fill the gap, as I wasn't sure if I would ever find a copy, or at least a copy that didn't cost in excess of £60. Now, when you think about this lack of access to the public collectors who impulse buy out on the high street, Dark Horse have very much been their own downfall.

I don't know what it has been like in the US, but I visit book stores regularly to look at their latest manga releases, and over the years I have usually seen Naruto, Bleach and Deathnote lining the shelves with only a few other random mangas scattered amongst their designated section. In that time I have usually seen only a couple of selected volumes of Berserk and even in the biggest manga store in London (Forbidden Planet) Berserk has been very scarce, apart from when a new volume is released. Which has really infuriated me over the years, since there's little draw for anyone to pick up the series and give it a glance, since it doesn't have much presence wherever you go.

Whilst I love having a solid copy of Berserk in my hand and I'm very proud to look up to my collection, I can't deny that digital copies would hold a great benefit. Distribution would cost less, translation mistakes are easily corrected ( :slan:), all volumes can be read anywhere without the need of damaging the books and depending on the screen you're using, the quality of Miura's artwork could be perfectly shown off, heck, I'll gladly buy every volume again in digital format to just for the higher level of quality. I just hope that DH can really talk sense into Hakusensha to get the digital rights, otherwise international sales are just going to continue to drop, which from a fans perspective is a really horrible thing to see  :judo:.
Title: Re: A lack of Berserk - Dark Horse & DMP
Post by: Walter on April 18, 2013, 08:19:45 PM
Whilst I love having a solid copy of Berserk in my hand and I'm very proud to look up to my collection, I can't deny that digital copies would hold a great benefit. Distribution would cost less, translation mistakes are easily corrected ( :slan:), all volumes can be read anywhere without the need of damaging the books and depending on the screen you're using, the quality of Miura's artwork could be perfectly shown off, heck, I'll gladly buy every volume again in digital format to just for the higher level of quality.
All that being said, scans will never do the visuals justice. Either they're not formatted for the screen properly, so you can't see everything at once, or it's improperly cropped or stretched to fit your screen.

There's nothing quite like reading the series with the ability to see the whole page as it was meant to be presented. I've always felt that scans aren't an authoritative way to read Berserk. I never feel I've truly seen it the way it was intended until I see it in the printed form. And yes, I know that makes me sound like a snob.
Title: Re: A lack of Berserk - Dark Horse & DMP
Post by: Tama on April 18, 2013, 08:54:29 PM
I think I'm in the minority these days when I say that I love reading the physical copies of manga graphic novels as well. I have tried reading some on the Ipad and nook a few times, but the scans come out horrible, or at least the ones I got. I agree that for someone that doesn't have a lot of room or is in college it's a great idea to have everything in one unit, but there is something I feel that is lost when you don't hold the real thing in your hands.
Title: Re: A lack of Berserk - Dark Horse & DMP
Post by: Gobolatula on April 18, 2013, 11:28:16 PM
I wonder if piracy is affecting manga / anime sales in Japan the same way it is here. Obviously they're going to keep publishing Berserk over there, but I still wonder.

To be honest, the e-reader thing is a good solution domestically, but it still won't stop piracy, even if there's simultaneous Berserk episode releases (which would be fucking cool).

I say the best solution is to give Berserk away for free all over the world, but now instead of the story being what it is, the whole thing is about Guts constantly eating McDonalds and Puck is replaced by a flying Coke can.
Title: Re: A lack of Berserk - Dark Horse & DMP
Post by: Walter on April 19, 2013, 12:48:55 AM
To be honest, the e-reader thing is a good solution domestically, but it still won't stop piracy, even if there's simultaneous Berserk episode releases (which would be fucking cool).
There will always be piracy. I don't even think anyone here's been suggested plans to curtail it. There will always be people who choose to steal. So be it.

But if the publishers give readers the option to pay for a legitimate digital download of the volumes or episodes, many would take it. Right now, that choice doesn't exist. It's print or nothing. And in some cases, free or nothing. And with the industry in the state that it's in, that's a death sentence of a policy.
Title: Re: A lack of Berserk - Dark Horse & DMP
Post by: Aazealh on April 19, 2013, 07:20:34 AM
I wonder if piracy is affecting manga / anime sales in Japan the same way it is here.

It definitely is.
Title: Re: A lack of Berserk - Dark Horse & DMP
Post by: JezzaX on April 19, 2013, 11:22:21 AM
It definitely is.

Whilst I have no doubt that piracy is a problem everywhere in the world, I wouldn't expect it to be as bad in Japan, due to accessibility. Many people who download scanlations do so because A) It's not easily accessible from a local vendor and B) Because they're impatient to wait for translations. If easily accessible official translations are available from the moment the episodes are first published, I wouldn't expect as many people to scour the web to download them. I'm not saying people wouldn't still do it, but I think it could contribute to some degree.
Title: Re: A lack of Berserk - Dark Horse & DMP
Post by: Aazealh on April 19, 2013, 11:54:55 AM
If easily accessible official translations are available from the moment the episodes are first published, I wouldn't expect as many people to scour the web to download them. I'm not saying people wouldn't still do it, but I think it could contribute to some degree.

From personal experience when it comes to Berserk, let me tell you that you seriously underestimate the greed of a lot of people. Now, of course, it would contribute to some extent. I mean what world would we live in if it didn't change anything at all? But it's not like it's the main deciding factor. And it's not like an instant translation will ever be available, or will ever be fast enough. I'm not sure you're aware but Berserk episodes are usually available online a few days before Young Animal even comes out in Japan, and it's the same for most other series. "Impatience" isn't a valid excuse, and in the case of Japanese people translation isn't an issue. But piracy still occurs massively.

Having a digital version of Berserk to complement the print one would be awesome, but I guarantee you that it wouldn't solve the piracy problem at all. There would have to be an accompanying crackdown in order for things to start to move, for mindsets to change.

And besides all that, a digital version wouldn't replace a print one. I'm a huge fan of e-books over print, but like Walter said, when it comes to comic books it's a lot harder to do things properly in regard to page size and all that. Plus when you're an actual fan and not just a "consumer", you tend to want to have something to display. To me what we should strive for is for those two options to exist, not just one over the other.
Title: Re: A lack of Berserk - Dark Horse & DMP
Post by: Metal_Bear_Rex on July 26, 2013, 12:09:18 AM
Hello Guys! I made an account to reply to this thread.

I really feel the pain here. I discovered Berserk my sophomore year of high-school, and back then I relied on the scanlations to get my fix, as I had no means to actually buy the manga volumes, up until recently after I graduated and started working full time.

Well, Just a month ago I finally decided that I want to support Miura like I should and buy all the manga volumes I could afford. It dismayed me to see the price some of the volumes are going for now that they are out of print and low stock. I'm almost embarrassed so say that I've spent close to $500 just to get most of the volumes (I still have 6 volumes to go.) It's pretty ridiculous.

Tough shit though, right? I was left uneasy with the uncertainty that some of these volumes will just get harder and more expensive to get. I guess you could say I was willing to make the sacrifice for Berserk, Ho ho. :badbone:
Title: Re: A lack of Berserk - Dark Horse & DMP
Post by: Aazealh on July 26, 2013, 08:31:00 AM
Sad thing is that if you bought some of them second hand, no money actually went to the author.
Title: Re: A lack of Berserk - Dark Horse & DMP
Post by: Metal_Bear_Rex on July 26, 2013, 01:01:45 PM
This is true. I was able to get volumes 17- 27 Through Things From Another World though, so at least I know some of that money went back to Berserk.
Title: Re: A lack of Berserk - Dark Horse & DMP
Post by: Aazealh on July 26, 2013, 01:05:31 PM
This is true. I was able to get volumes 17- 27 Through ThingsFromAnotherWorld though, so at least I know some of that money went back to Berserk.

Nice!

Anyway, that situation is pretty sad. People shoudn't have to struggle to buy Berserk...
Title: Re: A lack of Berserk - Dark Horse & DMP
Post by: Metal_Bear_Rex on July 26, 2013, 03:50:04 PM
Yes indeed. Me and others are "strugglers" now.
Title: Re: A lack of Berserk - Dark Horse & DMP
Post by: skullnights_pants on August 11, 2013, 01:01:05 PM
I am suffering too. I've been putting it off too long, next month, next month etc. They used to be only £6 per volume on Amazon. They now are £11 for the ones in the stock. The out of stock items sell for £50.

Actually, I remember why I stoppedd buying. It was because Amazon ran out of stock for volume 15 so I didn't buy any past that. This was around two years ago
Title: Re: A lack of Berserk - Dark Horse & DMP
Post by: Metal_Bear_Rex on August 21, 2013, 11:18:37 PM
Well I have finally purchased all the volumes. It wasn't cheap and I feel silly for spending that much money, but I suppose it was worth it.
Title: Re: A lack of Berserk - Dark Horse & DMP
Post by: Hitoshura on September 06, 2013, 12:44:42 AM
Good news, everyone!

According to rightstuf, Berserk volumes 1-34 reprints are coming in October 23. :guts:

http://www.rightstuf.com/rssite/main/news/individual/?ForumThreadName=FT0000005631&Offset=0&ReturnTo=Archive
http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/bbs/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?p=3691436
Title: Re: A lack of Berserk - Dark Horse & DMP
Post by: Walter on September 06, 2013, 03:00:06 AM
Good news, everyone!

According to rightstuf, Berserk volumes 1-34 reprints are coming in October 23. :guts:

http://www.rightstuf.com/rssite/main/news/individual/?ForumThreadName=FT0000005631&Offset=0&ReturnTo=Archive
http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/bbs/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?p=3691436
That's fantastic news, thanks for the tip.

Start spreading the word among friends if you have any who haven't been able to read up on the series due to the lack of volumes!  :daiba:
Title: Re: A lack of Berserk - Dark Horse & DMP
Post by: Aazealh on September 06, 2013, 06:56:47 AM
Now would be the time to show them that the fans are out there and willing to spend money for the series.
Title: Re: A lack of Berserk - Dark Horse & DMP
Post by: Ben on September 06, 2013, 11:22:10 AM
This is great news, but the question I have is whether these are coming out sequentially or all 34 at once? 
EDIT:  Nevermind, I checked each out of print volume and they all list that date.
Title: Re: A lack of Berserk - Dark Horse & DMP
Post by: Jaze1618 on September 06, 2013, 03:20:33 PM
I really Really REALLY hope that volume 30 is reprinted with higher quality paper stock. That would be an instant buy for me.
Title: Re: A lack of Berserk - Dark Horse & DMP
Post by: IncantatioN on September 06, 2013, 03:26:08 PM
Excellent news. I'd like to believe Walter's recent inquiry sparked something or put the wheels in motion perhaps.
Title: Re: A lack of Berserk - Dark Horse & DMP
Post by: Bender on September 06, 2013, 04:02:45 PM
I think the overall sales and interest in the series had something to do with it.  For some reason I don't completely believe the sales figures that were shared in that thread on the Dark Horse Forums.  I think that sales increased over the last few months.  The stock of Berserk volumes just dried up too fast and all at once for it to be random.  I think, as horrible as they are, the movies introduced/reintroduced people to Berserk and they found the manga.   :magni: 

I just hope people did not get hit too hard by the re-sellers and that those who put off purchasing the series in the past see this as a second chance to support Berserk.

I really Really REALLY hope that volume 30 is reprinted with higher quality paper stock. That would be an instant buy for me.

That would be nice.  We can hope.
Title: Re: A lack of Berserk - Dark Horse & DMP
Post by: Walter on September 06, 2013, 04:12:52 PM
I think, as horrible as they are, the movies introduced/reintroduced people to Berserk and they found the manga.   :magni: 
Could totally be the case. But I wonder how that presumed desire was communicated to DH, exactly. Seems more likely to me that they're taking a gamble (and hopefully a worthwhile one).

I really Really REALLY hope that volume 30 is reprinted with higher quality paper stock. That would be an instant buy for me.
Quote
That would be nice.  We can hope.
I'm already going to re-purchase some of the earlier volumes, because the printing quality in the first runs of volumes 1-5 is abysmal. Waaaay too high contrast.
Title: Re: A lack of Berserk - Dark Horse & DMP
Post by: Hanma_Baki on September 06, 2013, 08:28:11 PM
Good news, everyone!
(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-2D3DHng3vaw/T2tADIC_2GI/AAAAAAAACTQ/Gf-6gH7eiVA/s1600/professor-farnsworth1.png)

Could totally be the case. But I wonder how that presumed desire was communicated to DH, exactly. Seems more likely to me that they're taking a gamble (and hopefully a worthwhile one).
I'm already going to re-purchase some of the earlier volumes, because the printing quality in the first runs of volumes 1-5 is abysmal. Waaaay too high contrast.

Fuckin A! Lately its even been putting me off re-reading. Its so bad, I really hope they redeem themselves.
Title: Re: A lack of Berserk - Dark Horse & DMP
Post by: Ben on September 06, 2013, 10:27:15 PM
I have to say, I really, really hope people buy these and support them.  I don't post very often, but I remember maybe 6 or 7 years ago when people were boycotting Dark Horse over the sound effects and other minor issues and while those concerns are valid, this really is make or break for Berserk in the U.S. right now.  Between the economy, piracy, and the transition in consumer tastes, publishers of comics and manga are really hurting, and Dark Horse and others have cancelled a lot of series in mid-run.  I doubt Berserk is in danger of that outright, but smaller future print runs could drive up prices all over again if we don't show them demand is out there.
Title: Re: A lack of Berserk - Dark Horse & DMP
Post by: Walter on September 07, 2013, 12:52:47 AM
I have to say, I really, really hope people buy these and support them.  I don't post very often, but I remember maybe 6 or 7 years ago when people were boycotting Dark Horse over the sound effects and other minor issues...
You're really barking up the wrong tree here... Do you really think it's us you have to worry about not supporting Berserk?
Title: Re: A lack of Berserk - Dark Horse & DMP
Post by: Ben on September 07, 2013, 01:32:11 AM
Well, The Hawks already bit the dust and the other scanlaters who replaced them don't have enough posters to warrant me yelling at them (I already checked).   :ganishka:  I bought the original Dark Horse run, and I think I'm going to go ahead and order these again since some of my copies are worse for wear now and I want to support the series (and make sure I never pay $100 for a volume if I need a replacement).

Title: Re: A lack of Berserk - Dark Horse & DMP
Post by: Metal_Bear_Rex on September 09, 2013, 11:47:41 AM
Good news, everyone!

According to rightstuf, Berserk volumes 1-34 reprints are coming in October 23. :guts:

Damn, fate just kicked me in the nuts. I don't know what to say.

At least I can say I have all the first editions. ヽ༼ຈل͜ຈ༽ノ
Title: Re: A lack of Berserk - Dark Horse & DMP
Post by: IncantatioN on September 10, 2013, 06:33:38 PM
Think existing manga owners would re-purchase volumes if they were released in larger format? Just wondering if it would make economic sense to just re-release them or go for a slight incentive to get more people to buy it. Of course, first priority of the fans having access to the manga is achieved with this news. I guess bigger paper would equate to a higher production cost. Just thinking out loud.

I might pick up re-released versions of 11, 15, 18, 25 (have slight cover-wear/ fold around edges from the times I've lent it to friends).
Title: Re: A lack of Berserk - Dark Horse & DMP
Post by: Walter on September 10, 2013, 07:04:16 PM
Think existing manga owners would re-purchase volumes if they were released in larger format? Just wondering if it would make economic sense to just re-release them or go for a slight incentive to get more people to buy it. Of course, first priority of the fans having access to the manga is achieved with this news. I guess bigger paper would equate to a higher production cost. Just thinking out loud.

I might pick up re-released versions of 11, 15, 18, 25 (have slight cover-wear/ fold around edges from the times I've lent it to friends).
Based on how dire Dark Horse made the circumstance sound in April, I don't think it's the best time to take a gamble on new variations. Getting everyone up to speed on the existing model makes more business sense, I think.
Title: Re: A lack of Berserk - Dark Horse & DMP
Post by: jackson_hurley on September 11, 2013, 05:33:06 PM
Nice maybe it's time to refresh my old copies! My comic store only had a volume or 2 missing form the whole bunch. My silkscreen Berserk homage project will kick into gear soon now that I can re-buy them!
Title: Re: A lack of Berserk - Dark Horse & DMP
Post by: ApostleBob on October 23, 2013, 03:28:40 PM
Apparently Dark Horse reprints of Volumes go on sale today.  DH is also offering a 33% off sale as well, so get your volumes while they're inexpensive!  I'm hoping to see eReader versions next, but no news on English versions yet.

http://www.rightstuf.com/rssite/main/news/individual/?ForumThreadName=FT0000005631&Offset=50&ReturnTo=Archive (http://www.rightstuf.com/rssite/main/news/individual/?ForumThreadName=FT0000005631&Offset=50&ReturnTo=Archive)
Title: Re: A lack of Berserk - Dark Horse & DMP
Post by: Akebobo on October 23, 2013, 05:14:47 PM
Apparently Dark Horse reprints of Volumes go on sale today.  DH is also offering a 33% off sale as well, so get your volumes while they're inexpensive!  I'm hoping to see eReader versions next, but no news on English versions yet.

http://www.rightstuf.com/rssite/main/news/individual/?ForumThreadName=FT0000005631&Offset=50&ReturnTo=Archive (http://www.rightstuf.com/rssite/main/news/individual/?ForumThreadName=FT0000005631&Offset=50&ReturnTo=Archive)

That is fantastic news!  Everything listed is at http://www.rightstuf.com/rssite/facetedSearch/?search=berserk#/?s=berserk&r=STORE_CATEGORIES:GN&o=0

Even cheaper than Amazon, plus free shipping if you get a bunch. 
Title: Re: A lack of Berserk - Dark Horse & DMP
Post by: Walter on October 23, 2013, 07:44:05 PM
That is fantastic news!  Everything listed is at http://www.rightstuf.com/rssite/facetedSearch/?search=berserk#/?s=berserk&r=STORE_CATEGORIES:GN&o=0
"Product Availability - More Arriving Soon!"  :sad:

Seems you can place orders on these with the promise that they'll be stocked soon. I'm doing it for a number of early volumes, hoping they've fixed printing errors.
Title: Re: A lack of Berserk - Dark Horse & DMP
Post by: Walter on October 30, 2013, 02:18:47 PM
Progress update, RightStuf doesn't have the items in stock.

From an email I just got:
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Unfortunately we are unable to ship your complete order due to the unforeseen demand for the items listed below, or your items are not yet released

We receive shipments of items from our suppliers every day, and your items are on order with the manufacturer. We hope to be able to fill your order promptly.

For reference I ordered vols 1-5.

Anyone else experience this?
Title: Re: A lack of Berserk - Dark Horse & DMP
Post by: ApostleBob on October 30, 2013, 03:18:09 PM
Well I suppose the silver lining to this is the apparent popularity of the series to the English speaking audience.  That and a willingness of fans to buy the volumes and support it when scans are so readily available.  This should go without saying, but we know from the previous discontinuing of Dark Horse Volumes that this was a major problem before.  It's nice to see the semand so high.
Title: Re: A lack of Berserk - Dark Horse & DMP
Post by: Bender on October 30, 2013, 04:14:31 PM
Well I suppose the silver lining to this is the apparent popularity of the series to the English speaking audience.  That and a willingness of fans to buy the volumes and support it when scans are so readily available.  This should go without saying, but we know from the previous discontinuing of Dark Horse Volumes that this was a major problem before.  It's nice to see the semand so high.

I think it's more about how they have not received the reprinted issues yet instead of already selling out.

Title: Re: A lack of Berserk - Dark Horse & DMP
Post by: Walter on October 30, 2013, 04:30:33 PM
I think it's more about how they have not received the reprinted issues yet instead of already selling out.
Yes that's what I was about to say. It's more an indication that Dark Horse's reprints may be in pretty limited quantities. Time will tell.
Title: Re: A lack of Berserk - Dark Horse & DMP
Post by: Ben on October 30, 2013, 05:02:08 PM
Progress update, RightStuf doesn't have the items in stock.

From an email I just got:
For reference I ordered vols 1-5.

Anyone else experience this?

Same here, I ordered 1-10, and was planning to buy them all in 10 vol. chunks as money allowed.  I'm holding out hope I'll still get them, anyway.
Title: Re: A lack of Berserk - Dark Horse & DMP
Post by: ApostleBob on October 30, 2013, 05:38:23 PM
Perhaps.  I took the whole 'due to the unforeseen demand for the items listed' to mean they already sold out of the first batch.  Hopefully they'll be available soon.
Title: Re: A lack of Berserk - Dark Horse & DMP
Post by: Hitoshura on October 31, 2013, 04:24:13 AM
https://twitter.com/emgeethree/status/394876456750182401
http://www.darkhorse.com/Blog/1507/dark-horse-manga-new-stores-berserk-gantz-vol-29-a

Looks like there might have been a delay with the reprint date. Dark Horse just finally announced the reprint themselves on their own site recently.

I really Really REALLY hope that volume 30 is reprinted with higher quality paper stock. That would be an instant buy for me.
That would be nice.  We can hope.

I just asked Michael Gombos, an employee of Dark Horse that posted the news about it on twitter, about reprinting volume 30 with higher quality paper. I'll respond on this thread or update this post if I get a response on it.

Title: Re: A lack of Berserk - Dark Horse & DMP
Post by: Walter on October 31, 2013, 11:23:04 AM
https://twitter.com/emgeethree/status/394876456750182401
http://www.darkhorse.com/Blog/1507/dark-horse-manga-new-stores-berserk-gantz-vol-29-a

Looks like there might have been a delay with the reprint date. Dark Horse just finally announced the reprint themselves on their own site recently.

Quote from: Dark Horse editors
the reason so many volumes of Berserk became low in stock is that we just passed the three-quarters-of-a-million mark in series sales!
Fantastic!

Quote from: Dark Horse editors
If you're a fan, you know Berserk is a genuine epic that deserves its success (I say, use Berserk to get Game of Thrones fans into manga)
(http://skullknight.net/images/gutsbarf.gif)
Title: Re: A lack of Berserk - Dark Horse & DMP
Post by: Aazealh on October 31, 2013, 12:51:33 PM
Quote from: Dark Horse editors
the reason so many volumes of Berserk became low in stock is that we just passed the three-quarters-of-a-million mark in series sales!

Very nice. The million is within reach!
Title: Re: A lack of Berserk - Dark Horse & DMP
Post by: Antonius Block on October 31, 2013, 07:53:20 PM
Oh God, let the games begin... As of today Right Stuf has updated the expected reprint date to be 11/15/13 for a good chunk of the older volumes. I didn't check them all out, but I expect that 1-34 all have this new date...  :???:
Title: Re: A lack of Berserk - Dark Horse & DMP
Post by: Walter on October 31, 2013, 09:05:42 PM
Oh God, let the games begin... As of today Right Stuf has updated the expected reprint date to be 11/15/13 for a good chunk of the older volumes. I didn't check them all out, but I expect that 1-34 all have this new date...  :???:
I don't mind a delay -- after all, we're Berserk fans. But I'd like them (DH and Rightstuf) to be upfront about it.
Title: Re: A lack of Berserk - Dark Horse & DMP
Post by: TheBranded1 on November 01, 2013, 03:17:54 AM
I say that's a good sign if those are the values of these new reprints.

Quote from: http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/bbs/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=2747407
North American publisher Dark Horse Comics announced on Monday that it has sold 750,000 copies of the Berserk manga. Dark Horse is reprinting "nearly all" of the volumes of the manga, since many of the volumes were low in stock.
Title: Re: A lack of Berserk - Dark Horse & DMP
Post by: MulletRain on November 02, 2013, 07:17:45 AM
I've got a response from one of the RightStuff staff members.

"Hello xxx,

Thank you for contacting us.

The Berserk Graphic Novel reprints have not all come into stock yet. The reprint date was October 23rd, however, this was not the guaranteed date for us to receive the items into stock. I apologize for the inconvenience.

We are receiving volumes in each day. You are welcome to check with us periodically to see when these items come into stock.

Please let me know if you have any further questions or concerns.

Sincerely,

xxx
"

Just thought some of you may find this useful. The problem seems to be on the DH side.
Title: Re: A lack of Berserk - Dark Horse & DMP
Post by: uzumaki on November 15, 2013, 07:30:34 PM
I had a live chat with a rep from rightstuf.com today and he tells me they have the items in stock (except vol 37) and will ship Monday! (cross fingers)
Title: Re: A lack of Berserk - Dark Horse & DMP
Post by: EeXerO on November 15, 2013, 10:34:52 PM
I really hope volume 30 has been remade with thicker pages.
Title: Re: A lack of Berserk - Dark Horse & DMP
Post by: Walter on November 16, 2013, 04:27:00 PM
Status update: My order has shipped, according to RightStuf. We should know the quality of the reprints soon. Anybody else get a notice?
Title: Re: A lack of Berserk - Dark Horse & DMP
Post by: Ben on November 16, 2013, 07:53:26 PM
Status update: My order has shipped, according to RightStuf. We should know the quality of the reprints soon. Anybody else get a notice?
I also received one, so fingers crossed anyway.  I'll update when I get them, I ordered 1-10.
Title: Re: A lack of Berserk - Dark Horse & DMP
Post by: Giovanna on November 16, 2013, 10:19:55 PM
Sorry if it was already mentioned before, but I went to check that RightStuff store and though about asking here for an equivalent that ships from Europe. Does anyone know a good one?

Thanks!
Title: Re: A lack of Berserk - Dark Horse & DMP
Post by: Antonius Block on November 18, 2013, 04:01:40 PM
Status update: My order has shipped, according to RightStuf. We should know the quality of the reprints soon. Anybody else get a notice?

I received an email from Right Stuf as well, order shipped on Friday, so I should have it tomorrow.  :ubik:
Title: Re: A lack of Berserk - Dark Horse & DMP
Post by: Walter on November 20, 2013, 12:03:54 AM
My new editions arrived today, and after scrutinizing them for any differences, I haven't found any in volumes 1-3 yet. While I'm ecstatic that Dark Horse has resumed printing the volumes, I'm disappointed they didn't fix problems with the initial print run like this one

(http://skullknight.net/images/gambino-print.jpg)

Here is the original Japanese edition compared to the NEW Dark Horse edition. Admittedly, this page is among the worst print quality offenders in the entire run of Dark Horse's Berserk localization. But I really was holding out hope that a new edition would give them the opportunity to correct glaring printing errors like these.
Title: Re: A lack of Berserk - Dark Horse & DMP
Post by: Oburi on November 20, 2013, 01:46:14 AM
Damn I thought for sure they would have fixed this. That's really disappointing.
Title: Re: A lack of Berserk - Dark Horse & DMP
Post by: Antonius Block on November 20, 2013, 04:55:56 PM
I haven't cracked into my package just yet to check out my volumes. Is there any indication that they are a 2nd printing, or could these copies be from the 1st run?
Title: Re: A lack of Berserk - Dark Horse & DMP
Post by: Jaze1618 on November 21, 2013, 06:34:55 AM
Anybody able to report if Volume 30 is using higher quality print stock?
Title: Re: A lack of Berserk - Dark Horse & DMP
Post by: Walter on November 21, 2013, 03:21:55 PM
I haven't cracked into my package just yet to check out my volumes. Is there any indication that they are a 2nd printing, or could these copies be from the 1st run?
They're new. There is no publication date on the first page, but the back shows a listing for volume 37, which was just released.

Anybody able to report if Volume 30 is using higher quality print stock?
Well, I'm certainly not going to re-order it just to fix that problem. Maybe it bothered someone else more.

Dark Horse's Volume 37 is now shipping, guys. Mine should arrive tomorrow.
Title: Re: A lack of Berserk - Dark Horse & DMP
Post by: Hitoshura on December 03, 2013, 04:04:19 AM
Anybody able to report if Volume 30 is using higher quality print stock?

I did some digging  online recently after not getting a response on it from either rightstuf or one of the editors from Dark Horse. I believe this pic that I found on twitter proves that it did get reprinted in higher quality print. Notice how the size of the red circle in the reprinted edition matches the others unlike the first run? So there you have it to anyone that was on the fence on ordering a new copy to replace the old "test" run.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BZ8_fnfIcAAD7rG.jpg:large)

source:
https://twitter.com/Razzuel/status/405112304196665344
Title: Re: A lack of Berserk - Dark Horse & DMP
Post by: Jaze1618 on December 04, 2013, 06:49:49 PM
Thanks for the research. It might just be a trick of the eye, but the volume 30 in that pic also looks far thicker than the original when it was printed on low quality stock. So my hope is that you are right and I will look to repurchase it very soon, hopefully my comic shop has it when I got to pick up vol 37
Title: Re: A lack of Berserk - Dark Horse & DMP
Post by: ApostleBob on December 06, 2013, 07:02:01 PM
Right Stuff is having a 12 day Holiday sale with Berserk volumes 50% off.  I believe they are selling them in bundles.  Thought you guys might like to know.

http://www.rightstuf.com/rssite/facetedSearch/?search=berserk#/?s=berserk&r=STORE_CATEGORIES:GN&o=30
Title: Re: A lack of Berserk - Dark Horse & DMP
Post by: Walter on December 06, 2013, 08:38:58 PM
Right Stuff is having a 12 day Holiday sale with Berserk volumes 50% off.  I believe they are selling them in bundles.  Thought you guys might like to know.

http://www.rightstuf.com/rssite/facetedSearch/?search=berserk#/?s=berserk&r=STORE_CATEGORIES:GN&o=30
Wow! That is awesome. Thanks for sharing. Too bad I already have them all though.
Title: Re: A lack of Berserk - Dark Horse & DMP
Post by: Dar Klink on December 07, 2013, 02:12:47 AM
Right Stuff is having a 12 day Holiday sale with Berserk volumes 50% off.  I believe they are selling them in bundles.  Thought you guys might like to know.

http://www.rightstuf.com/rssite/facetedSearch/?search=berserk#/?s=berserk&r=STORE_CATEGORIES:GN&o=30

Ah damn, I could use that last bundle, I don't have 34-37 in English yet, although I have 34 and 37 in Japanese.
Title: Please help a newbie get into the Berserk series
Post by: s3rialthrill3r on April 14, 2014, 03:55:00 AM
Please excuse me if this was posted in the wrong section.

Anyway, I've had my eye on the Berserk series for a long time, but the large number of volumes that were out of print really put me off.  Availability is made worse by the fact that I don't live in the US where it's printed.

Now that Dark Horse has announced that all of the volumes will be reprinted, I'm looking to grab a lot of what's out there before the market returns to the way it was before.  I have a few questions  though.

1. Is there any difference between the reprinted volumes and the older editions?  From what I've seen in online stores, there seems to be no way telling which is the older print.

2. What's up with Volume 2? 
If you check http://www.darkhorse.com/Books/12-706/Berserk-Volume-2-TPB (http://www.darkhorse.com/Books/12-706/Berserk-Volume-2-TPB) and compare it with http://www.bookdepository.com/Berserk-Guardians-Desire-v-2-Kenturo-Miura/9781593070212 (http://www.bookdepository.com/Berserk-Guardians-Desire-v-2-Kenturo-Miura/9781593070212), the covers seem different.

3. Is there anything that I need to be aware of in regards to the way Dark Horse has handled the English adaption? 

Thanks.
Title: Re: Please help a newbie get into the Berserk series
Post by: Aazealh on April 14, 2014, 08:21:02 AM
Please excuse me if this was posted in the wrong section.

Anyway, I've had my eye on the Berserk series for a long time, but the large number of volumes that were out of print really put me off.  Availability is made worse by the fact that I don't live in the US where it's printed.

Hi, I've merged your post with the thread we have on the topic of the availability of DH volumes. It should help you find all the answers you seek.

1. Is there any difference between the reprinted volumes and the older editions?  From what I've seen in online stores, there seems to be no way telling which is the older print.

From what our members have observed, there are no differences between the two editions.

2. What's up with Volume 2? 
If you check http://www.darkhorse.com/Books/12-706/Berserk-Volume-2-TPB (http://www.darkhorse.com/Books/12-706/Berserk-Volume-2-TPB) and compare it with http://www.bookdepository.com/Berserk-Guardians-Desire-v-2-Kenturo-Miura/9781593070212 (http://www.bookdepository.com/Berserk-Guardians-Desire-v-2-Kenturo-Miura/9781593070212), the covers seem different.

The cover from bookdepository.com is not the right one.

3. Is there anything that I need to be aware of in regards to the way Dark Horse has handled the English adaption?

It could be better. We have a few threads with feedback from members, like this one (http://www.skullknight.net/forum/index.php?topic=7043.0) for example.
Title: Re: Please help a newbie get into the Berserk series
Post by: Bender on April 14, 2014, 03:06:04 PM
1. Is there any difference between the reprinted volumes and the older editions?  From what I've seen in online stores, there seems to be no way telling which is the older print.

The only change I am aware of is the paper stock of volume 30 is now the same as the rest.  It originally was printed on lower quality paper and was thinner because of it.
Title: Re: A lack of Berserk - Dark Horse & DMP
Post by: s3rialthrill3r on April 15, 2014, 03:19:41 AM
Are there any other volumes with terrible paper quality that I should be mindful of?

What about errors relating to spelling, grammar, words being cut off and so on? Is it true that they weren't addressed in the reprints?

Edit: Eh, forget it.  I've been brought up to speed after reading the thread.  Now I just have to find a store that I can buy from which actually has the reprints in stock.   I'll contact Book Depository about the situation.  Maybe stores that aren't based in the US are slow in receiving the reprints?
Title: Re: A lack of Berserk - Dark Horse & DMP
Post by: Eneshi on March 10, 2016, 12:32:31 AM
Well, this may be a 2-3 year old thread, but if anyone happens to get in here again, hesitantly rejoice! I have recently started ordering all the volumes(tax season, hell yea!) on Amazon and have found that the available number of volumes is low on each issue, but higher than what was posted at the beginning of this thread. So, hopefully that means that they have found a way to keep getting at least a slow trickle of new copies out for us! I got really upset partway through this thread that I would be stuck at volume 23 forever. Glad that is not the case. Also, I have found 2-3 copies at two different local bookstores in the past week. I live in a relatively small city called Waco in TX. This is the first time I've ever seen physical copies in a bookstore. Perhaps the popularity for this series that we all already love is on the rise with new readers? Huzzah!
Title: Re: A lack of Berserk - Dark Horse & DMP
Post by: Walter on March 10, 2016, 03:44:08 PM
I think they've had two different reprints since this thread started, but they still haven't been enough to keep everything in stock.  :sad:
Title: Re: A lack of Berserk - Dark Horse & DMP
Post by: Delta Phi on March 11, 2016, 03:42:59 PM
This is the first time I've ever seen physical copies in a bookstore. Perhaps the popularity for this series that we all already love is on the rise with new readers? Huzzah!

That's interesting. Maybe, but I certainly haven't noticed any rise in physical copy presence. Any time I go into a bookstore that sells manga, I always check to see if they have Berserk. A few years ago I could always expect to see some volumes (never a large selection, usually only a couple copies of the latest volume and a few other numbers), but now I don't ever see a single volume. I like to think it's because they've been bought up, but in reality, it's probably because they just aren't ordered anymore. And my guess is that's largely the case because of the DH printing dilemma.

I think most people just circumvent bookstores and order online anyway.