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Title: Speculation about Movie IV
Post by: Rendarg on September 16, 2013, 11:43:18 AM
Since there is no thread that really fits this topic (and before i spam my opinion in threads that don't really have something to do with it) i thought its better to make one here for all your thoughts, hopes, ideas and of course, all your worst fears about what a new movie would look like.

I just recently stumbled upon this interview (http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/interview/2012-08-30/interview-eiko-tanaka) with Eiko Tanaka from last year, yeah i know it's old but since i'm pretty new to Berserk, roughly a year now, i was a bit surprised, hadn't heard about it yet.

For the sake of order and for completion i will just remove my earlier reply to that from another thread and place it here, since it already contains my opinion/speculations
Quote from: Rendarg
Nice i didn't know it was already official. Well, by the time that interview was released, i was still just reading through the manga for the first time, lol i think i was actually at the Lost Children chapter at that time, so i hadn't seen it until now.
But still, i can't really believe that they would make a whole movie about the Lost Children chapter. Sounds too good to me, considering on how they rush through the Golden Age arc and cut stuff here and there. Sure, this chapter would actually fit perfectly in one movie, its not too long, they wouldn't have to cut much. But when watching the movies i had the feeling, that Studio 4C is only concentrating on the really big events and leaving out what they don't see as too important. That's why, before i heard of this interview, i even thought that they would maybe leave out the Lost Children chapter completely and invent some other way, how Guts meets Farnese and Serpico and gets captured. So they can rush to the next big milestone in Berserk, the Tower of Conviction, which could be split in a new trilogy again. I mean, i love the Lost Children chapter, but hey, they cut the whole Black Swordsman arc, and we all know how they explained Guts childhood, lets make a shitty blurry flashback that no one who hasn't read the manga will be able to understand and never mention Gambino again. So i think my concerns are a bit understandable. I actually think, that the Lost Children chapter in the movie could maybe just be the first 5-10 minutes of the movie, throwing you right into the ending of the Lost Children, maybe altered in some way, so they can leave out people like Jill. And then they rush to the tower.

Well, what are your thoughts about it? Full Lost Children chapter, will they really do it? More CG, or less? What could be left out (of course something will always be cut) without causing too much pain and what should definitely be in the movie? Or who would you like as the voice cast for the new characters? Anything that comes to your mind
Title: Re: Speculation about Movie IV
Post by: Lithrael on September 16, 2013, 04:58:39 PM
One thing I would enjoy about a Lost Children movie would be the demi-fans of the other movies wondering why their awesome medieval battle series is suddenly Guts Vs Mothgirl.

Now that I think of it I wonder what fans of the manga at the time thought of the direction everything took after the Eclipse.  And for that matter what fans who started with the Dark Horse trx thought when they got up to vol 14 or so.

I wonder whether 4C will begin to work in the demon baby?  I mean if they continue to adapt the series, they can't leave him out forever...

Does anyone know whether/how problematic Rochine/Rosine/etc's nekkidness is as far as censorship?  Obviously some naked girls have been in the movies already but I don't know if her situation is different or not.

Lost Children is one of my favorite arcs, though, I can't deny I'd love to see any of it animated.
Title: Re: Speculation about Movie IV
Post by: Rendarg on September 16, 2013, 05:12:36 PM
Does anyone know whether/how problematic Rochine/Rosine/etc's nekkidness is as far as censorship?  Obviously some naked girls have been in the movies already but I don't know if her situation is different or not.
Uh, good question, they did show Casca naked, or half-naked, when she was only 13-14 something, in that shitty blurry flashback about the nobleman who wanted to rape her (which was a totally pointless scene because she dreamed about it in the movie instead of telling it to Guts how she was rescued by Griffith, they should have done it right or just leave it out)
Title: Re: Speculation about Movie IV
Post by: Walter on September 16, 2013, 05:15:16 PM
Does anyone know whether/how problematic Rochine/Rosine/etc's nekkidness is as far as censorship?  Obviously some naked girls have been in the movies already but I don't know if her situation is different or not.
I don't think there will be any problem. It's just upper-body nudity. Also, her age is... uncertain.  :carcus:

Title: Re: Speculation about Movie IV
Post by: Maxwell on September 16, 2013, 05:42:45 PM
They have to do the BlackSwordsman Arc, I just don't see any positives in skipping it. If they immediately go to the Lost Children Arc, how the hell are they gonna introduce Puck to Guts? Oh but wait.. we already read the manga so we already know! So it doesn't matter how they do it in the anime right? :schierke:
Title: Re: Speculation about Movie IV
Post by: Rendarg on September 16, 2013, 05:51:45 PM
One thing I would enjoy about a Lost Children movie would be the demi-fans of the other movies wondering why their awesome medieval battle series is suddenly Guts Vs Mothgirl.

Come to think of it, did they show her in the movie? In that scene when some apostles decide to have a pre-eclipse snack? I can't remember right now, i think even the whole scene was missing.

As for the demon baby, assuming the movie would start right away with the beginning of the arc and him meeting Jill, does it even appear in the Lost Children arc? I can't remember any... ah right, that one scene where it appears in the campfire, and then the spirits of the burned children appear. Well, that could be cut, sounds bad i know, but that would fit into their previous way of cutting content that is too "complex".

also
Also, her age is... uncertain.  :carcus:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tfi8fT9oHkQ
Title: Re: Speculation about Movie IV
Post by: Walter on September 16, 2013, 06:40:48 PM
Come to think of it, did they show her in the movie? In that scene when some apostles decide to have a pre-eclipse snack? I can't remember right now, i think even the whole scene was missing.
That scene was omitted, of course. However, she did make an appearance in a made-up scene after the Eclipse, as she was descending on the people on the wagon.
Title: Re: Speculation about Movie IV
Post by: Lithrael on September 16, 2013, 06:54:15 PM
I don't think there will be any problem. It's just upper-body nudity. Also, her age is... uncertain.  :carcus:

Her apostle form sure, but apart from flashbacks she's buck naked the entire time and in both half-pumped and elfy-girl form she is equipped with one hairless punani.

Huh!!  I completely missed her in the movie, just went back to look.  Anyone else who missed her, she swoops into camera in the very last moment before the credits roll.
Title: Re: Speculation about Movie IV
Post by: Rendarg on September 16, 2013, 07:09:22 PM
WTF! Had to watch it frame-by-frame to see it, but you're right, it's her!

(http://i.imagebanana.com/img/exk05crz/vlcsnap2013091621h53m26s209.png)


how the hell are they gonna introduce Puck to Guts? Oh but wait.. we already read the manga so we already know! So it doesn't matter how they do it in the anime right? :schierke:
And thats pretty much how they handled Guts and Cascas childhood. Well, they had their blurry flashback visions that only the manga readers understand, and then they never mentioned it.

Her apostle form sure, but apart from flashbacks she's buck naked the entire time and in both half-pumped and elfy-girl form she is equipped with one hairless punani.
Hm right, i forgot, she really does a full peepshow. Seriously, i don't know, maybe they handle it like in the good old days :ganishka:
(http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3310/3319284502_3afc5c7ece_o.jpg)
I always found this way more disturbing than full frontal nudity. As a kid i always wondered why they don't look like humans :???:
Title: Re: Speculation about Movie IV
Post by: KazigluBey on September 16, 2013, 08:09:23 PM
Speculation? Predictions? It will suck as bad as what we've seen so far.
Title: Re: Speculation about Movie IV
Post by: Red Dingo on November 19, 2013, 06:23:21 PM
I think it will start off another trilogy called the Black Swordsman Arc, it will adapt the Black Swordsman and the Retribution Sagas. The fourth movie will begin with Farnese and the Holy Iron Chain Knights arriving at the site of the Eclipse and spotting a blood bath. Then we get the opening credits scene. The movie will largely cover Guts' meeting Puck and his chasing down the God Hand like the start of manga/anime but it will be interspersed with the Holy Iron Chain Knights finding signs of the coming apocalypse.

Movie 5 will cover the Lost Children chapter, along with the Kushan invasion, Guts running into the Holy Iron Chain Knights, and end with a scene of the Skull Knight eating a Beherit.

Movie 6 will be called "Advent". I think you can guess what it is about.
Title: Re: Speculation about Movie IV
Post by: Benin on December 09, 2013, 09:26:42 PM
I believe Movie 4 will be part of the Snake Baron section right up to the Count Segment of the story finishing with the summoning of the Godhand and Guts meeting up with Femto again, leaving in tension ready IF they do a Movie V.

Inevitable if they carry on they would pursue the Rosine Arc due to her flying up close to the audience and the end of the Eclipse Ceremony in GA3: Descent.

I made it to Skullknight community. Hi All! :D
Title: Re: Speculation about Movie IV
Post by: Deci on December 13, 2013, 12:34:25 PM
Found this, a piece of fanart of what could be, you could say.

(http://i.imgur.com/NdKaVb9.jpg)

Title: Re: Speculation about Movie IV
Post by: ApostleBob on December 13, 2013, 05:39:46 PM
That's pretty cool actually.
Title: Re: Speculation about Movie IV
Post by: Aazealh on December 13, 2013, 06:02:14 PM
That's pretty cool actually.

Better than what we'll get.
Title: Re: Speculation about Movie IV
Post by: ApostleBob on December 13, 2013, 06:50:50 PM
I'm fully expecting a frankensteined version of Black Swordsman, Lost Children and the Conviction Arcs in a single movie.  It'll be interesting to see what they do with it, but they may write themselves into a corner with all the stuff they are cutting.  Such as omitting the demon child.
Title: Re: Speculation about Movie IV
Post by: Aazealh on December 13, 2013, 06:56:03 PM
I'm fully expecting a frankensteined version of Black Swordsman, Lost Children and the Conviction Arcs in a single movie.  It'll be interesting to see what they do with it, but they may write themselves into a corner with all the stuff they are cutting.  Such as omitting the demon child.

The Lost Children chapter is part of the Conviction arc... Anyway, no matter how they do it, I have only fear as to what the result will be.
Title: Re: Speculation about Movie IV
Post by: RanShi on April 10, 2014, 02:03:07 PM
Dream scenario:
1) A three hour movie based on volumes 1-3.
2) A three hour movie based on the Lost Children Arc.
3) Two three hour movies based on the Tower of Conviction part.
4) A one hour movie based on Volume 11. I love Wyald. He's epic.

RULE TO FOLLOW: One volume of manga must be represented by AT LEAST one hour of material.
It's so fucking rude, shameful and disrespectful of them to compromise a manga that has been released since the 80's into small movies. Fucking stupid. If they do it right, do it good, I'll buy the blurays, 100%. The 3 movies that came out are bullshit, I even think the admins went too soft on it when the shittalked about it on the podcast, you can't shittalk about the movies enough. (Edit: I take it back. I'm listening to it right now, came to the part where Aaz wants the filmguys to get killed   :ganishka: I'm laughin my as off).
Title: Re: Speculation about Movie IV
Post by: Aazealh on April 10, 2014, 02:35:51 PM
3) Two three hour movies based on the Tower of Conviction part.

That'd be way too short, unless you're just talking about the chapter of the Birth Festival.
Title: Re: Speculation about Movie IV
Post by: RanShi on April 10, 2014, 03:10:22 PM
That'd be way too short, unless you're just talking about the chapter of the Birth Festival.

True. I stand corrected. Just checked my volumes: Birth Ceremony Chapter, Conviction Arc. Volumes 17 (minus Rosine), 18, 19, 20, 21.
That's 4 and a half volumes, so maybe 2 movies @ a total of 4,5 hours. Would be so fucking awesome.   :mozgus:
Title: Re: Speculation about Movie IV
Post by: Gurifisu on April 13, 2014, 05:12:09 PM
I honestly wished either Ufotable or Bones animated the movies.  I'm honestly more impressed with their works.  I would of been much happier if they  used pretty much any other technique than their extremely awkward CGI.

On topic I'm wondering if they'll do a quick pass over the snake baron, 20 minutes maybe?
Title: Re: Speculation about Movie IV
Post by: jackson_hurley on April 13, 2014, 05:45:13 PM


On topic I'm wondering if they'll do a quick pass over the snake baron, 20 minutes maybe?

From what I've seen of what was supposed to be the snake baron, I would not even want to see it.
Title: Re: Speculation about Movie IV
Post by: Gummyskull on April 13, 2014, 07:42:25 PM
I bet the entire conviction arc will be crammed into the next movie. Only 3 more movies have been announced, correct? So...that's like one arc per film.

The movie might begin with a 5 minute dream/flashback of the beginning of volume 14, ending with Guts waking up to the Bandits about to kill Jill. Her and Rosine's story will be hardly touched upon (and who cares about Peekaf?), and the fight between Guts and Rosine will be there solely to show some violence early on.

After that boring moth girl fight is over with, we'll skip to Guts seeing Casca burned at the stake in another shaky cam dream brought on by the demon child (rendered in the highest quality 3D animation). Guts will run around a bit with Puck (who has been in the background up to this point), meet Isidro , Serpico and Farnese. Farnese will be infatuated for no reason, because her past encounter with Guts will have been omitted. Luca will be as important to the plot as Jill was.

Suddenly Casca getting burnt by Mozgus! Mozgus will scream a lot. Here comes Skull Knight! A bunch of CG fighting! Guts hugs Casca. The rebirth ceremony will happen for some reason, but hey Griffith is back!   More fighting...etc. The movie will end with Farnese saying she will follow Guts as she watches him riding into the sunset with Casca.

That's my 'I have no faith in these movies' prediction.

One thing I would enjoy about a Lost Children movie would be the demi-fans of the other movies wondering why their awesome medieval battle series is suddenly Guts Vs Mothgirl.

Now that I think of it I wonder what fans of the manga at the time thought of the direction everything took after the Eclipse.  And for that matter what fans who started with the Dark Horse trx thought when they got up to vol 14 or so.

I wonder whether 4C will begin to work in the demon baby?  I mean if they continue to adapt the series, they can't leave him out forever...

Does anyone know whether/how problematic Rochine/Rosine/etc's nekkidness is as far as censorship?  Obviously some naked girls have been in the movies already but I don't know if her situation is different or not.

Lost Children is one of my favorite arcs, though, I can't deny I'd love to see any of it animated.

Given that the manga began with The Black Swordsman Arc I think readers were given enough heads up of what to expect later. Fans of the movies? Well, that might be a problem for them. :ganishka:

I also hope the Demon Child is at least acknowledged, otherwise there are going to be a lot of plot holes.

As for Rosine's nakedness, I don't see it as much of a problem since it is not meant to be titillating. However I am not familiar with Japan's obscenity laws when it comes to underage nudity.
Title: Re: Speculation about Movie IV
Post by: Aazealh on April 14, 2014, 07:03:40 AM
I bet the entire conviction arc will be crammed into the next movie. Only 3 more movies have been announced, correct? So...that's like one arc per film.

I might have missed something since I'm not following movie news too closely, but I don't think anything's been announced in regard to future movies. In fact the next step in the "Berserk Film Project" might not even be a movie (could be OVAs for example).
Title: Re: Speculation about Movie IV
Post by: Tripas on April 14, 2014, 10:08:30 AM
In fact the next step in the "Berserk Film Project" might not even be a movie (could be OVAs for example).

Yeah, and that's the problem. That is not the appropriate format for a story like this. It'd be amazing if they did an anime. A good anime, Ufotable/Bones style, like Gurifisu said. Unfortunately, we will surely get more movies/OVAs with the only purpose of giving amounts of fanservice instead of telling a good story. However, I still don't lose the hope. When the manga is finished (in 30 years or so), maybe we could see a good Berserk adaptation.
Title: Re: Speculation about Movie IV
Post by: Walter on April 14, 2014, 10:12:42 AM
Yeah, and that's the problem. That is not the appropriate format for a story like this. It'd be amazing if they did an anime. A good anime, Ufotable/Bones style, like Gurifisu said. Unfortunately, we will surely get more movies/OVAs with the only purpose of giving amounts of fanservice instead of telling a good story. However, I still don't lose the hope. When the manga is finished (in 30 years or so), maybe we could see a good Berserk adaptation.

Wait... What's wrong with OVAs? I think they'd be ideal for Berserk.
Title: Re: Speculation about Movie IV
Post by: Rhombaad on April 14, 2014, 03:32:18 PM
Wait... What's wrong with OVAs? I think they'd be ideal for Berserk.

Agreed. The censorship one would encounter with a TV series wouldn't do Berserk justice.
Title: Re: Speculation about Movie IV
Post by: Gummyskull on April 14, 2014, 04:46:04 PM
I might have missed something since I'm not following movie news too closely, but I don't think anything's been announced in regard to future movies. In fact the next step in the "Berserk Film Project" might not even be a movie (could be OVAs for example).
Ah, you are correct. I remembered the article I read about future plans wrong.

I'd love to see a series of OVAs instead of movies or a TV series. A TV series has been made already, and while in comparison to the movies was a decent adaptation, it suffered from censorship. OVAs tend to be more accurate to the source material so if done right it would be ideal for Berserk. If done wrong it could end up like the Gyo OVA, which completely butchered the original story.
Title: Re: Speculation about Movie IV
Post by: Walter on April 14, 2014, 05:40:16 PM
It's been over a year since the release of Movie 3. If there were news about the next leg of the project, whether it'll be movie or OVA, or even what section of the series it'll cover, I'd guess we'll hear about it this year. That studio has to stay employed somehow. Or, maybe the whole thing is dead in the water and no official announcement will be made.
Title: Re: Speculation about Movie IV
Post by: Tripas on April 14, 2014, 07:48:56 PM
Wait... What's wrong with OVAs? I think they'd be ideal for Berserk.

Well, an OVA is essentially a movie (or more likely a very well animated long anime episode). Yes, censorship wouldn't be a problem, but it wasn't for the movies either. If Studio 4C is going to continue with their adaptation philosophy, I don't see the point in a series of OVAs. But of course, if well done, OVAs would be the perfect format for Berserk. However, it'd be really cool to see a good arc per season anime in the future.
Title: Re: Speculation about Movie IV
Post by: jackson_hurley on April 14, 2014, 07:52:05 PM
The way I see it, to get the best animation ever of Berserk would be to learn the dialogues by hearth, then flip the pages of each volume really fast. That way you'll get the same quality of the manga with everything being 100% accurate.  :slan:
Title: Re: Speculation about Movie IV
Post by: Mangetsu on April 14, 2014, 09:23:19 PM
I would really like to hear the opinion of Miura about the Movies.
Title: Re: Speculation about Movie IV
Post by: IcePuck on April 14, 2014, 09:54:30 PM
I would really like to hear the opinion of Miura about the Movies.

There was at least one comment by Miura which said he liked seeing the big armies animated on screen, or something to that effect. I don't think he's the kind of person that would bash the movies publicly, even if he hated the guts out of them.

Although you could make the argument that, if THAT'S the best thing he has to say about them... :magni:
Title: Re: Speculation about Movie IV
Post by: MASTER-AMIR on April 29, 2014, 02:43:31 PM
I think with the release of Volume 38,39 maybe new movie , ova or new anime series will be announced  XD
Title: Re: Speculation about Movie IV
Post by: Vodnak on April 30, 2014, 12:41:14 AM
Wait... What's wrong with OVAs? I think they'd be ideal for Berserk.

The time constraints placed on an OVA makes it hard to really capture everything about the story. Berserk has such a large and complex story that would make it difficult for the animation house producing the OVA to meet those time constraints. I have to agree with Tripas, if anything it needs a new series. But the likelihood of that is slim to none.
Title: Re: Speculation about Movie IV
Post by: Walter on April 30, 2014, 01:00:39 AM
Berserk has such a large and complex story that would make it difficult for the animation house producing the OVA to meet those time constraints. I have to agree with Tripas, if anything it needs a new series. But the likelihood of that is slim to none.

It was my understanding that OVAs generally had higher budgets than TV series, and weren't as beholden to time constraints because they weren't on a proper release schedule. Each release paid for the next.

The fundamental problem is that the movies didn't give the characters or story room to breathe. But a well structured OVA or even a TV series would (and arguably has).
Title: Re: Speculation about Movie IV
Post by: Heavenly Maiden on May 07, 2014, 04:58:51 PM
I have entertained this somewhat naive belief/hope that the movie people rushed the hell out of the golden age arc of the berserk story because it has already been done and they are assuming that most people have seen or at least heard of the 97 anime series, and that since the arcs of Berserk are not as well known they would take their time and develop them properly.
Title: Re: Speculation about Movie IV
Post by: Walter on May 07, 2014, 05:05:28 PM
I have entertained this somewhat naive belief/hope that the movie people rushed the hell out of the golden age arc of the berserk story because it has already been done and they are assuming that most people have seen or at least heard of the 97 anime series, and that since the arcs of Berserk are not as well known they would take their time and develop them properly.

I think they did rush it. But they still invested a lot of (wasted) effort in the production of it. So I don't think this was their B-team or anything.
Title: Re: Speculation about Movie IV
Post by: Aazealh on May 07, 2014, 05:09:15 PM
I have entertained this somewhat naive belief/hope that the movie people rushed the hell out of the golden age arc of the berserk story because it has already been done and they are assuming that most people have seen or at least heard of the 97 anime series, and that since the arcs of Berserk are not as well known they would take their time and develop them properly.

On the contrary, they said they made this for a new generation that had not seen the TV series, and that animating the rest of the series depended on the success of the Golden Age arc adaptation.
Title: Re: Speculation about Movie IV
Post by: Vodnak on May 08, 2014, 03:13:55 PM
The fundamental problem is that the movies didn't give the characters or story room to breathe. But a well structured OVA or even a TV series would (and arguably has).

I'm assuming when you say one arguably has you're referring to the 97' Anime TV Series. If so, here are my .02$.

I think the Anime was really not that bad. Maybe it wasn't perfect, but what is? The only real complaint I have is the omission of The Black Swordsman story Arc, and the omission of Vol. 11's fight between Guts and Wyald. Those are pretty big complaints also.

But when I saw the Anime for the first time, I had not yet read the manga, so because of that I am able to look past that to an extent. Like I mentioned before about OVA's, time constraints and a non-dragonball z budget make it difficult to do everything right, (OVA's have a little more freedom, but are still restricted to an extent by time frame and money) so there is some forgiveness and license granted, as I don't think the company that produced Berserk had access to assets that more recognized and acclaimed Anime TV Series have had.
Title: Re: Speculation about Movie IV
Post by: Aazealh on May 08, 2014, 03:29:49 PM
I think the Anime was really not that bad. Maybe it wasn't perfect, but what is? The only real complaint I have is the omission of The Black Swordsman story Arc, and the omission of Vol. 11's fight between Guts and Wyald. Those are pretty big complaints also.

Omitting the fight against Silat, the meeting with the Skull Knight and the encounter with the Bakiraka in the sewers are also pretty bad points in my book, especially considering that in parallel they added worthless material featuring Adon that made him into a more important character than he was ever supposed to be.

Like I mentioned before about OVA's, time constraints and a non-dragonball z budget make it difficult to do everything right, (OVA's have a little more freedom, but are still restricted to an extent by time frame and money) so there is some forgiveness and license granted, as I don't think the company that produced Berserk had access to assets that more recognized and acclaimed Anime TV Series have had.

They were on a budget, that's for sure. However I think a series of high-budget OVAs would by far be the best possible choice for a Berserk adaptation. It's the time format most suited to the story and the one that has the least amount of censorship.
Title: Re: Speculation about Movie IV
Post by: Mammon on May 11, 2014, 06:54:44 PM
Omitting the fight against Silat, the meeting with the Skull Knight and the encounter with the Bakiraka in the sewers are also pretty bad points in my book, especially considering that in parallel they added worthless material featuring Adon that made him into a more important character than he was ever supposed to be.

(first forgive my English, frenchie here)

At the risk of being slaughtered by most members, I... I kinda liked the Adon fillers  :farnese:
Obviously, I'm pissed that it was at the detriment  of Silat, Wyald, , Sk and the Bakiraka, and would have much rather have had these moments instead, I still thought they were pretty funny.
Especially Adon's speeches.
Or maybe it's just the subtitles that I got that made Adon fun, but.... I always kinda liked his character. Even if his 2 "battles" with the Hawks were small conflicts that actually made Griffith look bad, without Guts warning everyone they would have all been blown-up in that munition storage, what the hell was that? And that random small bridge suddenly becomes a very important strategic place for the war... 

But I tend to like underdog/non-main-character in general (In "Kingdom", my favorite character is Mangoku, in "Blade of the Immortal", it's Shira, in "Cowboy Bebop" it was Vicious, in "Hellsing" it was Schrodinger, etc, you get my point... since I was a kid watching DBZ, my fav character was Pui-Pui for Christ sake :judo: ), so...

Anyway, I didn't start watching the 97 anime before buying volume 27 I believe, for a long time I never bothered with it because I'm not a huge anime enthusiast (except for a few very rare exceptions, I prefer to read my manga) and because of the bad reviews it got.

When I finally got it, I was disappointed by many things,  but after watching the new trilogy, I realize that maybe I've been a bit too harsh with the original anime... except for Silat (even though he sounded like a psycho, his fights with Casca and Guts were fun to watch) and Skully making an appearance, the new movies were vastly inferior to the 1997 anime.

Studio 4 C really screwed up, and I wouldn't shed many tears if they never release anything Berserk-related in the future...
But if I had to choose one moment, it would be the volumes 1-3, with the Snake Baron and the Slug Count. OVA form would be perfect, la Hellsing Ultimate.
At least in the 97 anime, we had a glimpse of that in the first episode...
(that led some of my "anime only" buddies to believe that Griffith was the Snake Baron, with that "Things sure became gloomy since Griffith became king" bartender  :ganishka: and Guts killing him, finally getting his revenge... before the story begins!)

Anyway, sorry for the rant.
Title: Re: Speculation about Movie IV
Post by: Aazealh on May 11, 2014, 08:30:30 PM
At the risk of being slaughtered by most members, I... I kinda liked the Adon fillers  :farnese:
Obviously, I'm pissed that it was at the detriment  of Silat, Wyald, , Sk and the Bakiraka, and would have much rather have had these moments instead, I still thought they were pretty funny.
Especially Adon's speeches.
Or maybe it's just the subtitles that I got that made Adon fun, but.... I always kinda liked his character. Even if his 2 "battles" with the Hawks were small conflicts that actually made Griffith look bad, without Guts warning everyone they would have all been blown-up in that munition storage, what the hell was that? And that random small bridge suddenly becomes a very important strategic place for the war...

Those additions were completely worthless on every level. They made his character more of a buffoon than he is supposed to be (and that's saying something), and also reduced the scope of the world by having him become a recurring character when in fact he only faced against the Band of the Falcon twice, with the second time (in Doldrey) being completely secondary to the main threat. Not to mention that, as you said, these repeated encounters made the Band of the Falcon look less competent as well.
Title: Re: Speculation about Movie IV
Post by: Mammon on May 11, 2014, 09:13:38 PM
Ha, I know, I don't intend to rationally defend these fillers episodes.  One of them is just a "guilty pleasure" of mine.  :slan: 
(just the "Bridge" one; Adon and his speeches, and his interactions with his soldiers make me smile for some reason, but once again perhaps the French subtitles were not very faithful and he doesn't say the same stuff in Japanese...)

But yep, all in all it was unnecessary filler, I believe we can all agree about that.



Title: Re: Speculation about Movie IV
Post by: Redfield on June 25, 2014, 03:48:20 PM
Without having researched the reason for Adon's expansion in the TV series, and comparing his role in Berserk '97 to other similar 'buffoon' type characters in other anime and manga, it feels like the animation studio wanted to have a conventional second rate minion for the heroes to beat up on in order to stretch out the story and meet some kind of internal narrative milestones they were aiming for.

I liked the Japanese voices for a lot of the characters in the '97 anime.

As for the actual topic of the thread, the pipe dream would be an open ended TV series that accurately depicted events from the manga.  Since that is very unlikely to happen, I'd be down with OVA format as long as it allowed for enough decompression to depict events with the necessary emotion to invest the audience in the developments and twists.  I wouldn't want a rushed production that just rattled off the storyline by the numbers to get it done.  Berserk is more than just a plot synopsis waiting to be animated.
Title: Re: Speculation about Movie IV
Post by: Julalien on June 26, 2014, 02:25:06 AM
Why they didn't just do OVA's like the recent Hellsing series is completely baffling to me. Hellsing showed that fans will still come out to buy single DVDs/Blu-Rays of a good adaptation despite episodes being released sometimes years apart.

It also shows that the producers were completely incompetent and didn't understand the material before it even got to the hands of the rest of the staff. If a new animated project is announced with the same studio involved I can only hope that they have spent some time completely re-thinking their idea of what a decently animated version of Berserk would look like.



Title: Re: Speculation about Movie IV
Post by: Drakull on April 08, 2015, 08:46:19 PM
Is the OVA project dead ?
Title: Re: Speculation about Movie IV
Post by: Walter on April 08, 2015, 11:27:50 PM
No official news from Studio4C since the theatrical release of the third movie in Feb 2013. So yeah, probably. Thank god.
Title: Re: Speculation about Movie IV
Post by: berserk36 on May 04, 2015, 05:00:28 AM
I have a feeling Manga 1 - 3 will be left out and will go right to manga 14.

Is the OVA project dead ?
it's been over 2 years if we don't hear anything when volume 38 comes out it would best to guess that it was.
Title: Re: Speculation about Movie IV
Post by: berserk36 on October 08, 2015, 12:08:22 AM
Found this, a piece of fanart of what could be, you could say.

(http://i.imgur.com/NdKaVb9.jpg)
  I like this cover more than most of the animation from the new movie's
Title: Re: Speculation about Movie IV
Post by: Mogen on November 19, 2015, 11:54:10 PM
You know I know a lot of people didn't like the new 4C Berserk movies and they do have tons of problems like all the damn cg  :magni: but I think if the project is dead in the water, even with all the problems it had, it would suck even worse to never see any more of Berserk getting animated.  :mozgus: So I'd be happy with movies, a new anime series, or an OVA. 
Title: Re: Speculation about Movie IV
Post by: TripleJMaster3 on November 20, 2015, 12:34:41 AM
You know I know a lot of people didn't like the new 4C Berserk movies and they do have tons of problems like all the damn cg  :magni: but I think if the project is dead in the water, even with all the problems it had, it would suck even worse to never see any more of Berserk getting animated.  :mozgus: So I'd be happy with movies, a new anime series, or an OVA.

I would have to speculate that film and anime production are pretty much dead in the water, but than again I thought the same several years after the anime so who knows.
Title: Re: Speculation about Movie IV
Post by: Walter on November 20, 2015, 01:47:16 AM
All we have are rumors:

I debated about actually posting this info, as it's unconfirmed and a bit confusing, but...

This weekend at Anime Expo a friend was at the Studio 4C/Production IG panel where somebody asked about more Berserk movies and the director there responded in vague terms with what amounted to "A TV anime is being worked on taking place after the movies." Nobody reported on it and it's only secondhand info to me, so take it with a huge grain of salt and keep an ear/eye out for concrete info.