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Title: Gigantomakhia—new 6-part scifi miniseries by Miura
Post by: Walter on November 04, 2013, 07:05:21 PM
(http://skullknight.net/images/gigantomachia-crop.jpg)

Gigantomakhia is Kentarou Miura's new 6-part miniseries, set in a world 100 million years in the future.

The title is a Greek phrase meaning Battle of Giants. It refers to the mythical war between the gods of Olympus and rebelling giants. For a much more rich exploration of Gigantomachia across the ages, check here (http://gigantomachia.typepad.com/gigantomachia/).

According to an ad in the Nov. 8 issue of Young Animal, Gigantomakhia will run for 6 issues, likely ending in February 2014, with Berserk set to resume afterward.

The first episode will be 44 pages, with one color page.

We'll know a lot more about the series once we get closer to its release, so stay tuned here!


UPDATES:
Confirmation came this morning from 2ch that Gigantomakhia will begin its 6-issue run in the Nov. 22 issue of Young Animal, which makes the release schedule the following:

Issue 1: Nov. 22
Issue 2: Dec. 13
Issue 3: Dec. 27
Issue 4: Jan. 10
Issue 5: Jan. 24
Issue 6: Feb. 14  <3

With Berserk to resume afterward, possibly the Feb. 28 issue.
Title: Re: Gigantomakhia—new 6-part scifi miniseries by Miura
Post by: jackson_hurley on November 05, 2013, 12:52:33 AM
I'd rather like it being a kind of reset story of humanity vs a sci-fi with robots. (I'm listening to the podcast right now and wanted to set my opinion, back to it now)

Do you guys think (thinking back to what I just heard in the podcast) the Miura worked on that mini during not only in the last break but also in the other ones? Might be a story he was already slowly working on in the past say 2 years?!
Title: Re: Gigantomakhia—new 6-part scifi miniseries by Miura
Post by: Walter on November 05, 2013, 02:06:44 AM
I'd rather like it being a kind of reset story of humanity vs a sci-fi with robots.
It doesn't necessarily have to be one or the other. There could be both elements. Hypothetically, a super advanced civilization whose technology is only accessible to a select few (gods), while the rest of the world is stuck in a desolate condition. And while I know what you mean, it'll be a science-fiction story by definition, being set 100 million years in the future.

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Do you guys think (thinking back to what I just heard in the podcast) the Miura worked on that mini during not only in the last break but also in the other ones? Might be a story he was already slowly working on in the past say 2 years?!
Who can say for sure? My hunch is that he started it during the hiatus, but it may have been an idea he's had for a while. Now that I think about it, maybe he stumbled onto something that sparked his interest while researching material for the climax of Berserk.  :beast:
Title: Re: Gigantomakhia—new 6-part scifi miniseries by Miura
Post by: Hanma_Baki on November 05, 2013, 02:09:01 AM
Great skullcast, you guys :guts: Cool timing btw, I was actually just about to rewatch MoS. But man! I cant describe how psyched I am for Gigantomakhia, just the title itself sounds so powerful (love Walters japanese pronounciation there :guts: ) yes, almost more psyched than for Berserk at this point, cause I really believe this will ignite his full creativeness for it in the future. And so thrilling with this greek mythology, a concept truly worthy of an artist such as Miura (granted there ARE artists like Miura out there :iva: )
Title: Re: Gigantomakhia—new 6-part scifi miniseries by Miura
Post by: TheBranded1 on November 05, 2013, 04:37:16 AM
It's good news to know Miura is doing something else berserk. Evenif it's just 6 issues it might just be the start of a new series. With all these months of no berserk , I think we might see several issues (4 to 5 my guess) until there's another pause . Who knows , let's enjoy this for now .
Title: Re: Gigantomakhia—new 6-part scifi miniseries by Miura
Post by: Aazealh on November 05, 2013, 08:53:31 AM
Evenif it's just 6 issues it might just be the start of a new series.

Well that's the thing, it's just 6 issues. It's a short story. It'll be published in a row until the end and then Berserk's publication will resume.
Title: Re: Gigantomakhia—new 6-part scifi miniseries by Miura
Post by: Walter on November 05, 2013, 01:34:00 PM
Confirmation came this morning from 2ch that Gigantomakhia will begin its 6-issue run in the Nov. 22 issue of Young Animal, which makes the release schedule the following:

Issue 1: Nov. 22
Issue 2: Dec. 13
Issue 3: Dec. 27
Issue 4: Jan. 10
Issue 5: Jan. 24
Issue 6: Feb. 14  <3

With Berserk to resume afterward, possibly the Feb. 28 issue.
Title: Re: Gigantomakhia—new 6-part scifi miniseries by Miura
Post by: IncantatioN on November 05, 2013, 02:51:40 PM
Thanks for that piece of info, Walter! It would definitely make a good Valentine's present to buy all those issues for a significant other, with/ without the excuse for buying it for one's self :guts:
Title: Re: Gigantomakhia—new 6-part scifi miniseries by Miura
Post by: jackson_hurley on November 05, 2013, 04:16:17 PM
It doesn't necessarily have to be one or the other. There could be both elements. Hypothetically, a super advanced civilization whose technology is only accessible to a select few (gods), while the rest of the world is stuck in a desolate condition. And while I know what you mean, it'll be a science-fiction story by definition, being set 100 million years in the future.

yes yes of course, but as much as I like sci-fi with technology etc, the idea/concept of something sci-fi with advance "organic" technology sounds pretty interesting. Makes me think of the movie "The Fountain" and your discussion about the bubbles.

and thx for the schedule info! very much appreciated.
Title: Re: Gigantomakhia—new 6-part scifi miniseries by Miura
Post by: Rhombaad on November 05, 2013, 04:27:46 PM
Confirmation came this morning from 2ch that Gigantomakhia will begin its 6-issue run in the Nov. 22 issue of Young Animal, which makes the release schedule the following:

Issue 1: Nov. 22
Issue 2: Dec. 13
Issue 3: Dec. 27
Issue 4: Jan. 10
Issue 5: Jan. 24
Issue 6: Feb. 14  <3

With Berserk to resume afterward, possibly the Feb. 28 issue.

Nice! :ubik:
Title: Re: Gigantomakhia—new 6-part scifi miniseries by Miura
Post by: Giovanna on November 06, 2013, 07:53:12 PM
Oh, the first issue will be on my birthday! <3

That's a really good theme to go with Miura's style, I think. But, I'm curious, is common for authors to be allowed to halt their main work to try something else? Or is it something that only very respected authors get to do? I am personally very happy that he has that opportunity, after so many years doing Berserk, guess that trying something new must be refreshing.

Thanks for the information Walter!
Title: Re: Gigantomakhia—new 6-part scifi miniseries by Miura
Post by: Grail on November 06, 2013, 08:40:32 PM
Oh, the first issue will be on my birthday! <3
Happy early birthday! :guts:
But, I'm curious, is common for authors to be allowed to halt their main work to try something else? Or is it something that only very respected authors get to do?
I'm going to go ahead and guess that Miura has a bit of wiggle room due to Berserk being such a big seller for Young Animal. I doubt that there's much they can do to keep him from doing what he wants (sorry, my speculation is showing  :griffnotevil: ). To answer the other part of your question, I don't think that manga authors do this sort of thing very often, but working on two series at once isn't unheard of. Gigantomakhia is an interesting case to me due to its length.
Title: Re: Gigantomakhia—new 6-part scifi miniseries by Miura
Post by: Aazealh on November 06, 2013, 09:06:34 PM
I'm going to go ahead and guess that Miura has a bit of wiggle room due to Berserk being such a big seller for Young Animal. I doubt that there's much they can do to keep him from doing what he wants

You're right. Like with most things, successful authors can pretty much do whatever they want, while less successful ones are bound by contractual obligations and don't have much say in what goes on.
Title: Re: Gigantomakhia—new 6-part scifi miniseries by Miura
Post by: Walter on November 06, 2013, 09:21:10 PM
But, I'm curious, is common for authors to be allowed to halt their main work to try something else?
Takehiko Inoue, Vagabond and Slam Dunk's creator, works on multiple projects at once pretty regularly (primarily Vagabond and REAL). Of course, I don't think he's ever formally put Vagabond on hiatus expressly to work on other series, but fans of his know that he's prone to extended breaks as a result of, in his own words, feeling overworked or unmotivated.
Title: Re: Gigantomakhia—new 6-part scifi miniseries by Miura
Post by: RaffoBaffo on November 07, 2013, 09:37:48 AM
The preview of the next Ya is out, now is 100% official:

http://www.younganimal.com/magazine/next.html

(http://www.younganimal.com/magazine/img/1323_left.jpg)(http://www.younganimal.com/magazine/img/1323_right.jpg)
Title: Re: Gigantomakhia—new 6-part scifi miniseries by Miura
Post by: jackalj on November 07, 2013, 11:16:07 AM
Is there any new information? Since now we have the entire cover, might be some new text?

Really excited to find out more about Miura's new project, and ofcourse after that more Berserk. ^^
Title: Re: Gigantomakhia—new 6-part scifi miniseries by Miura
Post by: Walter on November 07, 2013, 12:29:36 PM
Is there any new information? Since now we have the entire cover, might be some new text?
Doesn't look like we see much more text than before, actually. Only thing I noticed was ORIGINAL on the far right, and unless I'm mistaken, it underscores that this is Miura's first original work in 20 years. I'll look at it and try to nail down some of the kanji when I have time later today.

Edit: here's the transcribed text

【ベルセルク〗の三浦建太郎、20余年ぶりのORIGINAL完全新作!!
渾身の筆力が描き出す1億年後の世界!!
6回連続短期集中連戴
新連載巻頭カラー
44p(ages)
三浦建太郎
ギガントマキア

And here's my rough translation (not a professional...):
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Berserk creator Kentarou Miura's first original series in 20 years.
Set in a world 100 million years in the future.
A 6 part series with consecutive releases.
And an introduction with color page.
44 page issue.
Kentarou Miura's "GIGANTOMAKHIA."

Also, for what it's worth, my Young Animal just arrived this morning, and there's nothing else related to the new series in there at all. Just the 2-page ad. Few more weeks til 11/22!
Title: Re: Gigantomakhia—new 6-part scifi miniseries by Miura
Post by: Giovanna on November 07, 2013, 08:04:26 PM
Happy early birthday! :guts:I'm going to go ahead and guess that Miura has a bit of wiggle room due to Berserk being such a big seller for Young Animal. I doubt that there's much they can do to keep him from doing what he wants (sorry, my speculation is showing  :griffnotevil: ). To answer the other part of your question, I don't think that manga authors do this sort of thing very often, but working on two series at once isn't unheard of. Gigantomakhia is an interesting case to me due to its length.

Thanks! I couldn't be luckier :]

So this new work kind of confirms Miura's "status", right? It makes me very happy that he is that much respected. It annoys me every time I see someone bitch about the waiting and breaks, like the guy owes something to anyone or that he is lazy... because he hasn't been doing that masterpiece for the last 20 years, right.

Anyway, thanks for the translation Walter! His last work was Japan in 1992 and his style improved a lot, will be awesome to see it in another story. :ubik:
Title: Re: Gigantomakhia—new 6-part scifi miniseries by Miura
Post by: Walter on November 07, 2013, 09:44:30 PM
It annoys me every time I see someone bitch about the waiting and breaks, like the guy owes something to anyone or that he is lazy...
The loudest bunch are also the worst "fans" of the series. Most don't even purchase the manga..

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Anyway, thanks for the translation Walter! His last work was Japan in 1992 and his style improved a lot, will be awesome to see it in another story. :ubik:
Technically Japan was a co-creation. He did the art for it, and it was written by Buronson, who he also collaborated with for Orou and Orou-den. So in my opinion this really is Miura's first fully ORIGINAL work since Berserk started. And like others have said, I never thought I'd see such a thing before the distant end of Berserk, decades from now. So it's very exciting.
Title: Re: Gigantomakhia—new 6-part scifi miniseries by Miura
Post by: jackson_hurley on November 07, 2013, 10:39:28 PM
It is exciting indeed! do you think, at some point, that it'll bring new fans ton the series. Meaning hey guy Berserk's creator is lunching a new mini serie : boom, lots of curious new readers buy it and then they go try berserk?!  :guts:

It'd be great if that's the case. I for one am really anticipating the new serie.
Title: Re: Gigantomakhia—new 6-part scifi miniseries by Miura
Post by: Aazealh on November 07, 2013, 11:11:21 PM
do you think, at some point, that it'll bring new fans ton the series. Meaning hey guy Berserk's creator is lunching a new mini serie : boom, lots of curious new readers buy it and then they go try berserk?!

That doesn't seem very likely, at least on a large scale.
Title: Re: Gigantomakhia—new 6-part scifi miniseries by Miura
Post by: Dar Klink on November 07, 2013, 11:56:47 PM
The Berserk Project Twitter tweeted this:
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ベルセルク公式ツイッター ‏@berserk_project 24m

[拡散希望] 11月22日に発売されるヤングアニマル23号にて、オリジナル完全新作「ギガントマキア」が、短期集中連載でスタート!! 23号から6号連続合計202ページ掲載です!! http://mantan-web.jp/2013/11/08/20131107dog00m200054000c.html … よろしくお願いします!!

Which Google Translates to :

 
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[Diffusion hope] on Young Animal No. 23 to be released on November 22, original completely new "Gigantomakia" is, start with short-term intensive series! ! It is the No. 6 consecutive total 202 page (s) from No. 23! ! thank you http://mantan-web.jp/2013/11/08/20131107dog00m200054000c.html ...! !

So unless it's getting too mangled there means it's going to be 202 pages overall. That's enough for a volume isn't it?
Title: Re: Gigantomakhia—new 6-part scifi miniseries by Miura
Post by: Walter on November 08, 2013, 12:49:32 AM
So unless it's getting too mangled there means it's going to be 202 pages overall. That's enough for a volume isn't it?
Ah, it's the one part I skipped over when I transcribed the ad. I thought it was describing the size of the YA it would be included with. Indeed, 202 pages is the size of a very small Berserk volume (smallest one ever was Vol 23 at 220 pages).
Title: Re: Gigantomakhia—new 6-part scifi miniseries by Miura
Post by: Giovanna on November 08, 2013, 01:03:42 AM
So, since it's a complete story and long enough to fill a small volume, there is a bigger chance that it will be published outside Japan, right? At least in English, I mean. Or, actually, it probably depends on how well it's received by the public = sells.
Title: Re: Gigantomakhia—new 6-part scifi miniseries by Miura
Post by: Walter on November 08, 2013, 02:09:06 AM
So, since it's a complete story and long enough to fill a small volume, there is a bigger chance that it will be published outside Japan, right? At least in English, I mean. Or, actually, it probably depends on how well it's received by the public = sells.
Having it published in a volume form would definitely be the first step. But it's too soon to tell. Though Dark Horse has been pretty good about releasing his other works here in the USA (Japan and King of Wolves). So I'd say it's possible, probably even likely given that they'll have nothing else to publish for a while.

Update:
The Japanese news site Natalie.mu recently posted (http://natalie.mu/comic/news/103035)this image of the ad SANS text. Awesome! One step closer to the real thing...

(http://skullknight.net/images/gigantomakhia-notext.jpg)
Title: Re: Gigantomakhia—new 6-part scifi miniseries by Miura
Post by: Johnny Apples on November 08, 2013, 04:05:59 AM
Having it published in a volume form would definitely be the first step. But it's too soon to tell. Though Dark Horse has been pretty good about releasing his other works here in the USA (Japan and King of Wolves). So I'd say it's possible, probably even likely given that they'll have nothing else to publish for a while.

Update:
The Japanese news site Natalie.mu recently posted (http://natalie.mu/comic/news/103035)this image of the ad SANS text. Awesome! One step closer to the real thing...

(http://skullknight.net/images/gigantomakhia-notext.jpg)

Nobody can draw noses and chins so anatomically realistic like Miura.  Nobody   :badbone:
Title: Re: Gigantomakhia—new 6-part scifi miniseries by Miura
Post by: Grail on November 08, 2013, 04:17:05 AM
Roderick, is that you?! :ganishka: You couldn't really tell with the text slapped on top of the pic before, but damn those are some serious eyebrows.
Title: Re: Gigantomakhia—new 6-part scifi miniseries by Miura
Post by: Aazealh on November 08, 2013, 08:41:49 AM
Indeed, 202 pages is the size of a very small Berserk volume (smallest one ever was Vol 23 at 220 pages).

You've forgotten a rather important fact here, which is that those official page counts aren't just for the content, they include all pages in a volume. Case in point:

For reference, counting only the episodes themselves we have 216 pages of material in volume 34 with 10 episodes and 196 pages of material in volume 35 with 9 episodes. And now for an even more interesting fact: volume 31 had 196 pages of material with 10 episodes, and volume 30 had 194 pages. Volume 24 might have had even less. :rakshas:

So actually a page count of 202 pages is quite respectable, especially since Berserk tankôbon are relatively beefy compared to those of some other series. I fully expect it to be published as a volume in Japan. Anyway, that also means that subsequent episodes after the first one will average around 31 pages.

You couldn't really tell with the text slapped on top of the pic before, but damn those are some serious eyebrows.

I did tell. :carcus:
Title: Re: Gigantomakhia—new 6-part scifi miniseries by Miura
Post by: IncantatioN on November 08, 2013, 03:30:21 PM
Thanks for those translations guys.

Roderick, is that you?!

That's what I thought too *high five* http://www.skullknight.net/forum/index.php?topic=13927.msg224590#msg224590
Title: Re: Gigantomakhia—new 6-part scifi miniseries by Miura
Post by: Aazealh on November 08, 2013, 03:32:06 PM
That's what I thought too *high five*

Doesn't really look like him though...
Title: Re: Gigantomakhia—new 6-part scifi miniseries by Miura
Post by: jackson_hurley on November 08, 2013, 04:28:35 PM
Doesn't really look like him though...

I understand what they mean though. The round nose a little bit.

but damn those are some serious eyebrows.

I don't find them as intense as those of Martino's if I recall well,he had some serious eyebrows.  :slan:
Title: Re: Gigantomakhia—new 6-part scifi miniseries by Miura
Post by: Aazealh on November 08, 2013, 06:08:29 PM
I understand what they mean though. The round nose a little bit.

Round nose & round eyes, but Roderick's features are a lot finer.
Title: Re: Gigantomakhia—new 6-part scifi miniseries by Miura
Post by: jackson_hurley on November 08, 2013, 06:32:58 PM
Round nose & round eyes, but Roderick's features are a lot finer.

so true!
Title: Re: Gigantomakhia—new 6-part scifi miniseries by Miura
Post by: Oburi on November 08, 2013, 10:58:10 PM
There's hardly any doubt in my mind that Darkhorse will eventually release this. As others said they released both Japan and King of Wolves and they release a lot of less popular works by other artist with bigger selling series they have license too. Some other examples would be the author of Triguns other series Blood Blockade Battle Front and Hellsings author's Drifter. Hell, they even released two books of short stories from the creator of Eden, a series which actually sold very poorly.

So it might be a while, but we'll get it, considering Berserks popularity.
Title: Re: Gigantomakhia—new 6-part scifi miniseries by Miura
Post by: IcePuck on November 09, 2013, 08:19:12 AM
It's great to hear Miura was up to something. I was beginning to get a bit worried towards the end of the hiatus, despite trying not to...

Hope this new manga won't suck.  :iva:
Title: Re: Gigantomakhia—new 6-part scifi miniseries by Miura
Post by: Hanma_Baki on November 10, 2013, 02:16:58 AM
^Wow. Funny guy there :void:

[EPIC FUCKIN IMAGE]
:beast: Oooooh seriously how can one make an image with so little in it look so epic!?!?! Deserves to be on this page too and I´d have quoted it if Johnny hadnt done it first :guts:
Title: Re: Gigantomakhia—new 6-part scifi miniseries by Miura
Post by: Judo on November 15, 2013, 07:37:03 PM

A completely new original work from Miura... this is even more exciting news than a new episode of Berserk!
I instantly subscribed for YA when I read this.

Subarashii!   :ubik:
Title: Re: Gigantomakhia—new 6-part scifi miniseries by Miura
Post by: Walter on November 16, 2013, 04:37:46 AM
Shouldn't be long now before we hear something leak about the first episode. I'm guessing Sunday or Monday we'll get a little something, maybe a little later. My issue should arrive on Thursday or so.

I forgot to mention it, but the previous YA did include two additional advertisements for the miniseries, but neither disclose any new  art or information. Same picture, same info we already have (which isn't much).

With Berserk, I've been conditioned to be content to wait, but I'm chomping at the bit here for information on Gigantomakhia. Very excited  :daiba:
Title: Re: Gigantomakhia—new 6-part scifi miniseries by Miura
Post by: Hanma_Baki on November 16, 2013, 10:17:46 PM
^
You´re not the only one, man! :guts: And I´d say with good reason!
Title: Re: Gigantomakhia—new 6-part scifi miniseries by Miura
Post by: Heiji on November 19, 2013, 11:15:00 PM
  (http://img188.imagevenue.com/loc93/th_906385660_20131119223829_122_93lo.jpg) (http://img188.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=906385660_20131119223829_122_93lo.jpg)
     
Title: Re: Gigantomakhia—new 6-part scifi miniseries by Miura
Post by: Walter on November 19, 2013, 11:35:29 PM
Very interesting. Check out the background in that shot. Cannot wait.
Title: Re: Gigantomakhia—new 6-part scifi miniseries by Miura
Post by: Tama on November 20, 2013, 12:18:58 AM
Wow that looks really cool. I can't wait to see what Miura has in store for this.
Title: Re: Gigantomakhia—new 6-part scifi miniseries by Miura
Post by: jackson_hurley on November 20, 2013, 12:38:27 AM
weirdly interesting, very very interesting indeed! thx!
Title: Re: Gigantomakhia—new 6-part scifi miniseries by Miura
Post by: jackalj on November 20, 2013, 07:06:04 AM
The preview picture look great, really like the style of it. then again I didn't expect any different from Miura.

So the picture is from the new serie, right? Somehow I get a Berserk feel from it, not just because of the drawing style. But more from the background. The background reminds me somehow of the big whale monster Guts fights in the harbor of Vritanis.
Title: Re: Gigantomakhia—new 6-part scifi miniseries by Miura
Post by: RivFader on November 20, 2013, 08:01:53 AM
Just saw the RAW when my friend showed it to me over Skype, the art looks gorgeous as usual and our protagonist seems to be a bit on the goofy side of things. A welcome change; I like Guts, but it's nice seeing Miura draw a not so serious main character once in a while.
Title: Re: Gigantomakhia—new 6-part scifi miniseries by Miura
Post by: Buy Berserk! on November 20, 2013, 01:16:13 PM
Always bet on Mioypa.
Title: Re: Gigantomakhia—new 6-part scifi miniseries by Miura
Post by: Walter on November 20, 2013, 01:31:58 PM
Neat, already hungry for more.  :daiba:

Main character's name is Dellos Delos, unsure on the girl's.

PS: And yes, the next issue comes out with the next YA.
Title: Re: Gigantomakhia—new 6-part scifi miniseries by Miura
Post by: Aazealh on November 20, 2013, 01:32:32 PM
So, ΓIΓANTO MAXIA it is. Quite a unique setting I have to say. Reminiscent of early Sci-Fi, where strange adventures took place on strange worlds. It'll be interesting to compare those demi-humans and other various monsters with creatures seen in Berserk.
Title: Re: Gigantomakhia—new 6-part scifi miniseries by Miura
Post by: Truder on November 20, 2013, 01:47:45 PM
So much dialogue! Im eager for a translation. Im trying to wrap my head around the setting. the first 3 and last 2 pages have me curious. and that SUPLEX!
Title: Re: Gigantomakhia—new 6-part scifi miniseries by Miura
Post by: Walter on November 20, 2013, 01:55:20 PM
So much dialogue! Im eager for a translation.
Well, get to work!

The first two pages don't actually reveal much, from what I can tell.
Title: Re: Gigantomakhia—new 6-part scifi miniseries by Miura
Post by: Aazealh on November 20, 2013, 02:13:31 PM
Main character's name is Dellos, unsure on the girl's.

It's Burome (pronounced Buromé). Delos is a warrior, working for her. The names have specific meanings in Japanese, too.

PS: And yes, the next issue comes out with the next YA.

And it'll be 43 pages.
Title: Re: Gigantomakhia—new 6-part scifi miniseries by Miura
Post by: IncantatioN on November 20, 2013, 03:36:56 PM
Thanks for the scans and giving background on character names! Cannot wait to read it with translations (so much dialog!) or pick up the magazine on Friday. This just made my day.

Yeah, the main character doesn't look like Roderick :farnese:. That punch-block was exciting. Too early to tell if his fighting style is more of a wrestlers? He's built like a mix of a endo and mesomorph.

Those creatures look mysterious, threatening and horrific. Maybe it's because I don't do well with bugs in general and they're massively depicted. The inside of that city is pretty cool, like the way they're using creatures to their advantage.

Title: Re: Gigantomakhia—new 6-part scifi miniseries by Miura
Post by: jackson_hurley on November 20, 2013, 03:52:41 PM
Beautifully done as expected. This future is very intriguing. Devastation and all. I can't wait to see the next episode! thx.
Title: Re: Gigantomakhia—new 6-part scifi miniseries by Miura
Post by: Joe Chip on November 20, 2013, 04:09:37 PM
Thanks for the scans and for the names guys. Man, i was eagerly waiting for this. A Sci-Fi series from my favorite Artist, this is like a dream come true. I tried to figure out what the story is about, but i will wait for a summary or a translation to be sure.
In the first page it says "Γιγαντο Μαχια" and Παρεχωμενη υπο Μιουρα Κενταρο + στουντιο Γαγα" with Greek letters. This translates to "Giganto Makhia" on the top and "Brought to you by Kentaro Miura and Studio Gaga" I found it interesting that he translated it to Greek.
Seems to me that the bug people are at war with the Humans, or at least they really hate the humans. Then there is a higher force that seems to bring destruction in this world.
Thanks again for everything !
Title: Re: Gigantomakhia—new 6-part scifi miniseries by Miura
Post by: Dar Klink on November 20, 2013, 04:19:06 PM
Very nice! I like the main character, a kinda chubbybuff silly guy is a nice change from Guts. The city reminds me of some of the cities in Morrowind.
(http://puu.sh/5o6Pk.jpg)  Confirmed for taking place in Slan's private dimension??? :slan:
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Post by: Walter on November 20, 2013, 05:39:29 PM
The city reminds me of some of the cities in Morrowind.
I wasn't sure what I was looking at at first, but it's a city designed with the mind of an insect. Of course, since we're dealing with hybrid insect people, makes sense.
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Post by: Judo on November 20, 2013, 06:57:57 PM

Gotta... resist... to... download... this... zip-file...

I was looking forward to have a genuine first look when my YA arrives... but now those scans are tempting me.
Damn...  :farnese:
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Post by: Skeleton on November 20, 2013, 07:03:58 PM
I'm very happy with Delos' body design.  I like that Miura made him both muscular and thick like a powerlifter or wrestler.  He reminds me of a more muscular version of the Farnese Hercules, like he built his strength the old fashioned way by carrying around a calf or lifting boulders instead of staring at himself in an air conditioned gym's mirrors.  It's a design I rarely see being used for a hero/protagonist so I'm happy (and pleasantly surprised) that Miura went with it.

Also, I finally got that anglerfish creature I've been wanting to see since the Sea God was introduced in Berserk!  Talk about getting what you want in the unlikeliest of places.  :ganishka:
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Post by: Aazealh on November 20, 2013, 07:19:50 PM
He's built like a mix of a endo and mesomorph.

:schierke:

I found it interesting that he translated it to Greek.

Well the title is in fact Greek, so I'd say that ΓΙΓΑΝΤΟ ΜΑXΙΑ is the "proper" way to write it.

Seems to me that the bug people are at war with the Humans, or at least they really hate the humans. Then there is a higher force that seems to bring destruction in this world.

They hate the empire, which they thought Delos was from. The empire is responsible for the destruction seen at the beginning, and is where the "giant monsters" come from. Anyway, there are various kindreds, and these guys are from the "Scarabae" one. Also worth noting is that Burome isn't human.
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Post by: TheBranded1 on November 20, 2013, 08:23:41 PM
This world is fantastic, all those creatures are so detailed and creepy. Are those two explorers? Thanks for the scans!
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Post by: Joe Chip on November 20, 2013, 08:29:47 PM
They hate the empire, which they thought Delos was from. The empire is responsible for the destruction seen at the beginning, and is where the "giant monsters" come from. Anyway, there are various kindreds, and these guys are from the "Scarabae" one.
Thank you for this summary. I can't wait to see how this story develops.

Also worth noting is that Burome isn't human.
Really interesting, i honestly didn't expect that.
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Post by: Dar Klink on November 20, 2013, 08:36:55 PM
The "creatures" at the beginning seem to be giant war machines spewing out poison gas from the elephant tusks, I wonder how high tech the Empire is going to be.
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Post by: Aazealh on November 20, 2013, 08:41:51 PM
This world is fantastic, all those creatures are so detailed and creepy. Are those two explorers?

They were looking for the "Scarabae", but clearly didn't know much about them, not even whether they could communicate with them. They were also surprised at their city, especially Delos who's not very knowledgeable compared to Burome. He's her protector.

Really interesting, i honestly didn't expect that.

Well she kind of has an eerie look about her. She tells Delos at the beginning (who's super thirsty) that she can provide clean water, collecting it from the ambient air. Maybe she's from a specific kindred herself? So far the motif fits the classic myth of a human and a "god" (Burome) working together to fight the giants.

The "creatures" at the beginning seem to be giant war machines spewing out poison gas from the elephant tusks, I wonder how high tech the Empire is going to be.

Actually I think the "elephactopus" beast is simply torching the ground, like with a flamethrower. Note that those creatures are just accompanying the big giant though (that has electricity crackling from the top of its "head"), so they might not always go together.
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Post by: Lithrael on November 20, 2013, 09:04:10 PM
Yeah, that looked like octopus siphons used as flamethrowers to me too. 
They remind me of the big 'eared' critters like these: http://everythingoctopus.blogspot.com/2009/02/species-grimpoteuthis-or-dumbo-octopus.html

I love the guys with the stag-beetle helmets (heads?) OMG.
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Post by: Delta Phi on November 20, 2013, 09:08:04 PM
This looks really interesting; completely different from the SciFi setting I was expecting. I really like the character designs and there is something especially appealing about Burome. It's really great getting to see Miura's art in a different (new) story and setting.
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Post by: Walter on November 20, 2013, 09:26:06 PM
Well she kind of has an eerie look about her.
She also seems to speak in a somewhat robotic manner.

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She tells Delos at the beginning (who's super thirsty) that she can provide clean water, collecting it from the ambient air.
Yeah, I actually wondered if there was a joke about how she'd be expelling that water once it's collected, given her pose  :carcus:

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Actually I think the "elephactopus" beast is simply torching the ground, like with a flamethrower.
I also thought it was gas at first, but then you see the smoke. Would make more sense in color, of course.
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Post by: Joe Chip on November 20, 2013, 09:37:38 PM
Well she kind of has an eerie look about her. She tells Delos at the beginning (who's super thirsty) that she can provide clean water, collecting it from the ambient air. Maybe she's from a specific kindred herself? So far the motif fits the classic myth of a human and a "god" (Burome) working together to fight the giants.
I see, now that i looked at the pictures again i understand what you mean.
It seems to me that the monster face in the cover, that Burome is standing on, is the same as the monster at the beginning (and the end of this episode). We also see blood rushing out of his eyes and nose. Perhaps the monsters attack the Scarabae in the next episode so Burome takes care of them. Can't wait to see what will happen.
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Post by: Calvinos on November 20, 2013, 11:15:59 PM
Hum, sorry for asking this but, where is the .zip file? I noticed you guys could read the previous berserk episodes long before I got them. Where can I dl it?
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Post by: Walter on November 20, 2013, 11:43:24 PM
Hum, sorry for asking this but, where is the .zip file? I noticed you guys could read the previous berserk episodes long before I got them. Where can I dl it?
It's for those who participate in discussions.
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Post by: Gobolatula on November 20, 2013, 11:48:21 PM
This is so cool. I gotta say, I love Dellos' look. Big goofy looking tough guy.

You can tell he's having a blast with this. I get a feeling this is gonna turn out to be quite a story.

I am definitely not let down! I can't wait for more and I can't wait for a translation! WOO! I'm gonna look at this over and over.
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Post by: Hanma_Baki on November 21, 2013, 01:10:57 AM
Im already hungry for more! :beast: Next one Dec. 15, man this is some crazy luxury! :serpico:

Im defintely gonna get these YA issues, I can only imagine how much better those pages must look irl.

Im'a let this sink in for now, patiently waiting for that delicious translation, much obliged you guys that already gave us some intell.
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Post by: Maxwell on November 21, 2013, 02:51:32 AM
I'm definitely loving it so far and i can't even understand a lick of Japanese. Can't wait to purchase the YA issue and see Miura's awesome artwork in person.
I think if Roderick and Chris Farley had a baby and that baby grew up to be a pro wrestler.. it'd be Delos. :ganishka: I like his look and personality, it's refreshing. And Burome might be some kind of cyborg? Very interesting indeed.
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Post by: Chaos on November 21, 2013, 03:12:58 AM
This. Is. So. Rad.

Seriously. It looks like Miura is setting up something awesome with this series.
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Post by: Jaze1618 on November 21, 2013, 05:22:28 AM
I feel like we're getting spoiled with these 43 page releases every 2 weeks. :ubik:
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Post by: Aazealh on November 21, 2013, 09:21:45 AM
They remind me of the big 'eared' critters like these: http://everythingoctopus.blogspot.com/2009/02/species-grimpoteuthis-or-dumbo-octopus.html

Indeed, those might have been an inspiration.

Yeah, I actually wondered if there was a joke about how she'd be expelling that water once it's collected, given her pose  :carcus:

There is, actually, and it's exactly what you think. Before that, after saying that she stood on top of him to shield him from the sun and that bearing the weight would help muscle him up, she also comments that "looking up" would ease his mind.

It seems to me that the monster face in the cover, that Burome is standing on, is the same as the monster at the beginning (and the end of this episode). We also see blood rushing out of his eyes and nose. Perhaps the monsters attack the Scarabae in the next episode so Burome takes care of them. Can't wait to see what will happen.

Yes, generally speaking I think it is a given that Burome and Delos oppose the giants and were seeking the beetle people either to warn them or seek their help.

By the way, could anyone who's already received their Young Animal confirm whether the girl's name is written ブロメ or プロメ ? It's impossible to tell from the pictures because the quality is too low. If it's プロメ (with a small circle instead of two strokes), it would mean that her name is Purome, which would be most reminiscent of Prometheus, a famous Greek mythological figure.
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Post by: Joe Chip on November 21, 2013, 11:35:51 AM
By the way, could anyone who's already received their Young Animal confirm whether the girl's name is written ブロメ or プロメ ? It's impossible to tell from the pictures because the quality is too low. If it's プロメ (with a small circle instead of two strokes), it would mean that her name is Purome, which would be most reminiscent of Prometheus, a famous Greek mythological figure.
That could make sense, Dellos could also be a Greek name. Delios (Δήλιος in Greek) was a military adviser for Alexander the Great and his father Phillip. The name is also used in mathematical problems that can't be solved.
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Post by: Aazealh on November 21, 2013, 11:40:24 AM
That could make sense, Dellos could also be a Greek name. Delios (Δήλιος in Greek) was a military adviser for Alexander the Great and his father Phillip. The name is also used in mathematical problems that can't be solved.

If anything it might have been inspired by the island of Delos (Δῆλος), since it bears the same name in Japanese.
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Post by: Oburi on November 21, 2013, 06:38:17 PM
I love this! Just witnessing Miura's amazing artwork in something non-Berserk is so strange. But I love the style and the detail. Shit, this man's imagination is so wild, I'm afraid to think of what his dreams are like (never mind his nightmares :magni:).
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Post by: Skullgrin140 on November 21, 2013, 09:26:30 PM
It's nice seeing Miura is doing something else instead of Berserk for a little bit, gives a chance for more creative opportunities from him. Plus the art for this is impressive on the level that Miura still has an amazing and meticulous imagination for creating his stories.
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Post by: IronBerserk on November 22, 2013, 12:17:34 AM
It looks fantastic! The art style, the greatly detailed fight scenes, the world and its monsters, etc... That's Miura for you :) Also, did anybody else get some serious Nausicaa Valley of the Wind vibes when looking at it? Has a very Miyuzaki like feel to it. That just me?
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Post by: jackson_hurley on November 22, 2013, 02:43:54 AM
page 23 the panel top left : i see (in my wild imagination) from left to right influences of : young guts, isidro and erika!  :slan:
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Post by: Aazealh on November 22, 2013, 08:21:33 AM
Well, thanks to IncantatioN who took pictures of his magazine, I can confirm that the girl's name is Prome (プロメ)! I wonder what kind of fire she wields. :carcus:
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Post by: Lithrael on November 22, 2013, 01:51:53 PM
Also, did anybody else get some serious Nausicaa Valley of the Wind vibes when looking at it? Has a very Miyuzaki like feel to it. That just me?

I did, but it's probably inevitable when you combine great, detailed art and the desert/insect/razing giants themes.  Some of the first manga I ever got was Nausicaa..  I loved the art but the storytelling was too dense for me at the time (I was really into Gunnm, aheh).
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Post by: Dar Klink on November 22, 2013, 02:18:34 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/xNZyUtP.jpg)

Anybody that can translate Miura's comment? Apparently it's something simple like "This isn't keeping me from working on Berserk" but I'm not sure.
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Post by: Aazealh on November 22, 2013, 02:38:08 PM
Anybody that can translate Miura's comment? Apparently it's something simple like "This isn't keeping me from working on Berserk" but I'm not sure.

Yeah, it's something along those lines. "It's not like I stopped Berserk!"
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Post by: Vampire_Hunter_Bob on November 22, 2013, 06:05:25 PM
Great start to a mini-series.

Yeah, the main character doesn't look like Roderick :farnese:. That punch-block was exciting. Too early to tell if his fighting style is more of a wrestlers?

I'm pretty sure that Delos is a grappler, because of the way Delos uses the water to make his hair slick, how he tries to capture and gain control over Big Bug Man's hand, and how Delos pivots around Bug Man's body to suplex him. Of course, I say that while running the risk of being proven wrong when the next issue comes out, which, in that case, I shouldn't be too far off by saying that Delos, at least, is very experienced with grappling. Eitehr way, this fight is great to look at.

Also another thing that I like: Crying bug grandmother as she throws eggs at Delos' head.
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Post by: Deci on November 24, 2013, 04:50:25 AM
Also, did anybody else get some serious Nausicaa Valley of the Wind vibes when looking at it? Has a very Miyuzaki like feel to it. That just me?

Yep, that was one of the thoughts that crossed my mind as I looked through the first few pages, even with the desert starting point too, and then from reading the comments about how the bugs hate the Empire. Definitely not a bad sign if your invoking one of my favorite (if not favorite) anime movies so far.

It feels more fantasy to me, I guess the line between Sci-Fi and Fantasy is blurry for me sometimes. Either that or I have a poor definition for them.  :serpico: Anyway irrelevant, I'm definitely happy to see Miura's art again and am definitely interested in where this short stories gonna go. Seems like it has so much to do in so few episodes!

Still wish it was a Berserk release more.  :griffnotevil: I'll shut up about it from now on though.
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Post by: jackson_hurley on November 24, 2013, 03:44:13 PM
As I was rereading volume 33, I got this obvious feeling that Miura got his idea with "tower" Ganishka.  :guts:
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Post by: Buy Berserk! on December 11, 2013, 10:25:45 AM
Exciting developments.

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Post by: Walter on December 11, 2013, 01:10:16 PM
Great! Glad to see we learn a little more about the empire this time.
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Post by: Aazealh on December 11, 2013, 02:10:56 PM
Not much time to check it out but it's quite interesting, though the giant has yet to reach the city. I think Delos looks quite badass in that fight overall. It also made me smile to see the "Desert Sea Cucumber" at the beginning of the episode, felt like a cute nod to Berserk. Anyway, Ogun's parents were killed in front of his eyes by the empire, so that explains his anger towards Delos. And we get to see Prome heal Delos' wounds using whatever's under her skirt. No doubt Marvin Gaye would approve. She also heals a beetle just by touching it with her tongue, so her powers are clearly nothing to sneeze at.
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Post by: IncantatioN on December 11, 2013, 03:29:00 PM
Thanks a lot for sharing this! Delos can take a heavy beating and fight back like that, very cool. Wild eyebrows on page 25! On page 37, the defeated creature with a serpent head reminds me of the creature shown attacking unicorns in Vol 34.
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Post by: Aazealh on December 11, 2013, 03:37:25 PM
On page 37, the defeated creature with a serpent head reminds me of the creature shown attacking unicorns in Vol 34.

In Berserk, a hydra. Here a demi-human who's been crossed with a reptile.
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Post by: Vampire_Hunter_Bob on December 11, 2013, 04:40:37 PM
Excellent fight! I really love seeing Miura's illustrating different fighting styles.

Everything on page 36: Prome's puckered lips as she kisses everything is great; and, the old (bug) man's face/healed back is great as well.

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Post by: Handmade on December 11, 2013, 08:09:34 PM
Hahaha, is that a sharpshooter he puts him in?

(http://dc299.4shared.com/img/isZOzNsV/s3/Bret_Hart_Sharpshooter__Summer.gif)
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Post by: Walter on December 11, 2013, 08:14:57 PM
Hahaha, is that a sharpshooter he puts him in?
Seems like it, but that move also has an alternate name—Scorpion Deathlock (appropriate). Here's a video of Delos using it against a Tiger demihuman: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xm7A4pgIhYA
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Post by: Aazealh on December 11, 2013, 09:38:02 PM
Some random info about the episode.

Prome finds Delos to be reckless, but she notices that the crowd's anger at Delos is reduced. They're surprised he can withstand the punches he's getting. After the fight, she tells him that he's achieved his goal: they've accepted him, they were impressed. But she says it was pretty risky, that if he'd used her, he could have had benefits other than achieving his goal.

She medically diagnoses him very thoroughly as he's lying down. Says it will take 3 days to treat him. Because she doesn't want to waste time treating him anymore, she tells him that "Nectar" will be injected into him from her body. She also adds that the receiver is in his head (referring to his mouth). Since he's embarrassed and protests, she says she's not a type of being who can care about this kind of feelings, further making it clear she isn't human. During that scene she also pulls one of my favorite lines from the Skull Knight (when he tells the apostles he won't allow them to get to Flora), then says that she doesn't accept his death, and that from now on if his life is in danger, she won't hesitate to perform her function, even if it's against his wishes.

Anyway, he's completely cured, but says that as a human, he feels like something's ended. The kids ask him how he could be cured from such serious wounds, and he replies it's magic. Prome's somewhat reluctant to cure the bug but does it when Delos insists. Delos also tells Ogun he was cured by Prome, saying it's magic again, so Ogun asks her if she's a "Kar" (spirit). Delos says that he could survive thanks to Prome's healing, and that without her he wouldn't have fought that dangerously. Prome says it isn't true, that he would have done the same thing without her, that he is that kind of person.

Delos was a gladiator, a fighting slave. He had to fight everyday. Eventually he couldn't endure it, the whole thing (the crowd, etc.). Ogun asks him why he didn't avoid his punches. If he thought they weren't worth avoiding, or if he pitied their kindred? Delos just replies that it's his way. And when Ogun asks him if he doesn't feel hatred for an enemy that tried to kill him, Delos says that hatred is a bothering feeling, one he doesn't like.

They're being taken to the chief at the end.
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Post by: Deci on December 11, 2013, 09:58:12 PM
Thanks Aaz!

Very, uh, interesting method of healing Prome has. I get a sort of Chicchi vibe from her. Guts was also cured by a supernatural young-girl-looking creature with seemingly connections to plant-life around a type of gladiator-ish duel. Only his was beforehand. ;O Sorry, Berserk comparisons are unavoidable here!

I think Prome might be genetically engineered somehow, or mayhaps an ambassador or authority from the plant world that is probably being destroyed by the empire. Or all of the above?

I also have some curiosity about what her "magic" would entail if she did something really big.

Anyway, I'll stop with the speculation there. I'm hardly that close and with Miura sometimes there's really just no telling. I'm interested to see this chief and what we might learn about what's going on in the bigger picture perhaps. I have a feeling we'll learn more about Prome next episode.
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Post by: Aazealh on December 11, 2013, 10:18:25 PM
Very, uh, interesting method of healing Prome has. I get a sort of Chicchi vibe from her. Guts was also cured by a supernatural young-girl-looking creature with seemingly connections to plant-life around a type of gladiator-ish duel. Only his was beforehand. ;O Sorry, Berserk comparisons are unavoidable here!

I think Prome might be genetically engineered somehow, or mayhaps an ambassador or authority from the plant world that is probably being destroyed by the empire. Or all of the above?

Keeping in mind the original Greek story, the name she bears, and the fact she's using "Nectar" to cure Delos, I'd say she's some sort of superior being. I stop short of saying "god", but it might be appropriate really. Anyway, I thought about the plant connexion when I first saw her (her robe's design...), and there are parallels to be drawn to elves in Berserk (Guts & Puck), but the way she speaks about herself ("use me", "my function") implies something along the lines of a machine. That being said, so far we've seen pretty much nothing mechanical in that world...

I also have some curiosity about what her "magic" would entail if she did something really big.

I'm curious to see how Delos will make use of her, specifically to fight the giants. I'm having this weird idea that they could fuse together to become another giant and fight like that, wrestling. Given the size of this work and the pace of the story so far, I believe the fight against the giant attacking the village will be the culmination of the story.
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Post by: Walter on December 13, 2013, 01:49:00 PM
Keeping in mind the original Greek story, the name she bears, and the fact she's using "Nectar" to cure Delos, I'd say she's some sort of superior being. I stop short of saying "god", but it might be appropriate really. Anyway, I thought about the plant connexion when I first saw her (her robe's design...), and there are parallels to be drawn to elves in Berserk (Guts & Puck), but the way she speaks about herself ("use me", "my function") implies something along the lines of a machine. That being said, so far we've seen pretty much nothing mechanical in that world...
Yeah, I'm also torn—avatar of the Earth/Plantlife? Advanced android? She's becoming a more interesting enigma than the giant. The Guts and Puck connection is also interesting--even the reckless way he fights is like Guts.

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I'm curious to see how Delos will make use of her, specifically to fight the giants. I'm having this weird idea that they could fuse together to become another giant and fight like that, wrestling.
I didn't think of the possibility until this episode for some reason, but it seems likely to me, given the focus on Delos' fighting style.

Regarding Ogun, as Aazealh says, his parents were killed by the empire. I wonder if that's who we see in the first page of the first issue, as a child? No way to tell, I guess... These bug people all look the same. :ganishka:

The ending was really exciting, I just wish I didn't have to wait to learn more about the presumed leader behind Ogun's scarab clan...
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Post by: Handmade on December 13, 2013, 02:49:53 PM
These bug people all look the same. :ganishka:

That's one-hundred million year-old racism for ya.  :ganishka:
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Post by: Walter on December 14, 2013, 10:35:19 PM
Another real-world wrestling move Dilos uses during the Empire flashback: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mxhMNs43NVA
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Post by: Johnny Apples on December 15, 2013, 12:24:25 AM
Another real-world wrestling move Dilos uses during the Empire flashback: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mxhMNs43NVA

Oh yeah, the (very) appropriately named "Brainbuster" finishing move  :guts:

 Also known as "Dead Level" to some North American wrestling fans http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fqo2m66fAHw 
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Post by: Aazealh on December 18, 2013, 07:42:19 PM
In this issue of YA, Miura's comment is that Gigantomakhia was created as part of a plan to celebrate Young Animal's 20th anniversary, but was not released in time.
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Post by: RaffoBaffo on December 18, 2013, 08:41:46 PM
In this issue of YA, Miura's comment is that Gigantomakhia was created as part of a plan to celebrate Young Animal's 20th anniversary, but was not released in time.
So this means that it's an old work, or I'm wrong?
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Post by: Aazealh on December 18, 2013, 09:04:07 PM
So this means that it's an old work, or I'm wrong?

No, it doesn't mean that it's old, just that it's not something that came out of nowhere. He was probably approached by YA's staff a while back and asked to contribute an original short series to celebrate the magazine's anniversary (which was this year, as YA was created in 1993).
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Post by: RaffoBaffo on December 18, 2013, 09:11:37 PM
(which was this year, as YA was created in 1993).
Ah...according to Wikipedia the date is 1992, thats why I thought that was an old work XD
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Post by: Aazealh on December 18, 2013, 09:18:05 PM
Ah...according to Wikipedia the date is 1992, thats why I thought that was an old work XD

Ah actually that's correct, it's 1992, my bad. Still, I don't think Gigantomakhia's very old, though I guess that depends on what you call "old".
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Post by: Devilwoman on December 19, 2013, 09:45:31 PM
Hmm very interesting chapter. I'm very curious about Prome.
So Delos was a gladiator. I think it makes sense that he's so reckless. After all gladiators have to fight and shed blood in order to please the audiance, or maybe he's just always been reckless.
The art is gorgeous as usual. I just love how Miura draws the human body.
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Post by: Buy Berserk! on December 27, 2013, 10:23:15 AM
The real battle starts!
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Post by: Aazealh on December 27, 2013, 11:52:51 AM
Hmm, the top of the insect city holds some interesting secrets... I wonder how that'll come into play in the coming battle.
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Post by: IncantatioN on December 27, 2013, 12:34:21 PM
Thanks for the preview guys. Is that an eye and an arm or I'm misinterpreting the drawing of that massive tree-like structure in the opening panels? Very interesting stuff! Gotta run to work and those panels on 15 remind me of Ivalera - Schierke ^_^
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Post by: Skeleton on December 27, 2013, 12:37:06 PM
Well that's certainly not what I expected.  My curiosity has been piqued, especially about page 05.
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Post by: Walter on December 27, 2013, 04:08:39 PM
Far more than the others, this issue really reminded me of Berserk.

Three issues of build-up for this moment. The bug people have grown their own giant. Next one is going to be great, but not a lot of time left.
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Post by: TheBranded1 on December 27, 2013, 08:46:01 PM
Oh crap! That giant reminded me of the one in Nausica . Looks like it still needs time to fully develop . That's a big mask! What has Miura created ?!  :magni:
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Post by: Aazealh on December 28, 2013, 04:30:15 PM
A summary of this episode:

At the top of the complex is a temple, where the kindred's god resides. It's not a real primitive god, but has originated from one. Prome says it's the flesh of "Gaia". A giant. They call it a god of profusion and its name is "Hapi" (reference to a Nile-related god in Egyptian mythology).

Thanks to their god and to the desert they could survive. The old chief tells them "welcome, young voyager and small Ka (spirit)".

Delos mistakes him for an insect, saying "ah, an insect is speaking". The others are offended but the chief takes it as a compliment, saying it's an honor for him to be called an insect. He says that traditionally those who bear the most pronounced insectoid traits (the best bloodlines) are elected as chiefs.

He knew Delos and Prome were coming 3 days ago already, having seen them through insect eyes. One beetle in the desert noticed 2 people approaching. Prome thinks to herself that this kind of technology existed in the old world. She then tells him that he must also know that from the northeast some giant things are approaching. The chief replies: "yes, the giants of the empire". The others didn't know. Ogun is surprised and asks the chief "how could they approach this holy place?" He's enraged and says it's a good chance to get revenge. It's the last fortress of the scarabae, and is the place where the temple is. They can't withdraw. They are already ready.

Delos pleads that they at least evacuate the women and children but the chief says it's impossible. He says the true goal of the empire is to take their god. So they burn their villages and now they even intrude into the deepest part of the desert. All their residential areas in the desert are connected via waterways through their god.

Ogun is ready for a last battle and a heroic death. They prepare for battle. Ogun says "it's our kindred's battle, it has nothing to do with you". "Goodbye, wrestler Delos." One soldier wonder if it will be Ok to let them go, as Delos could be a spy of the empire. The second soldiers replies that it couldn't be, that he's too naive. Ogun acquiesces, obviously fond of the guy.

Delos wishes the chief "good luck" as he and Prome leave. The chief thinks to himself that Prome is a master Ka (spirit) of martial arts who has existed since the old world.

Delos can't understand that they'll die to protect their god, but Prome tells him that he's too emotional, that the need of the whole surpasses that of the individual. It's how their civilization has existed. She adds that "this territory can never be tainted by another kindred." They are all prepared to fight, and ready for total extinction.

As they go into battle, Ogun asks for their god to help them show their true power.
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Post by: jackson_hurley on December 28, 2013, 05:32:27 PM
thx mr Aaz for the summary!  :guts:
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Post by: Giovanna on December 29, 2013, 01:10:29 AM
Probably just a coincidence, but Ogun is the name of a Cadomblé [a popular religion on the Northeast region of Brazil] deity that presides over iron and war. An interesting thing is that he is a powerful warrior that could show anger and cause destructiveness towards his own people.

Just my two cents of random culture  :serpico:
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Post by: Vampire_Hunter_Bob on December 30, 2013, 06:50:20 PM
Thanks Aaz!
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Post by: Aazealh on January 02, 2014, 05:36:18 PM
In the last YA, Miura's comment was that he wonders whether an ugly & manly hero can still be popular nowadays.
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Post by: Alucroas on January 04, 2014, 10:43:03 PM
Hello, first post.

According to this article (http://gigantomachia.typepad.com/gigantomachia/2003/08/the_battle_of_t.html) I found after googling 'Gigantomachia', it's definition is "War" (Machia) and "Giants" (Gigantes/Giganto). Would it be implausible to say that after millions of years following a post-apocalyptic event, the Gods have risen and are now waging a war on one another through various tribes?

I find it interesting that the article reads about origins, and yet here we are in a setting that is largely representative of what it was like back in the days when humans were just starting out: in the desert, Africa where humans are said to have originated from. Of course people weren't riding bugs, but the presence of beetles in the story only further enforces the location. That is to say dung beetles. I wouldn't be surprised to see a few scarabs running around or being used as currency.

Moving on, we have a guy with a Greek name (Delos) which was the name of an island associated with Apollo, Artemis, and Zeus and was even the center of what was called "The Delean League" -- a compilation of associated Greek city-States led by Athens during the war with Persia. I'm starting to see why he was suspected of being a spy, provided Ogun's people or, he himself have any knowledge of Greek words and their meanings.

I rather like the fact that the article mentions Ragnarok, the end of days, or rather the end of a tribal era that is soon to come. The Gods may just be instruments used to enact this, but then I see that the tribal people are willing to die for them, which doesn't make me view them as tools anymore but instead the force that is motivating them to be at war with these other empires.

By the way, I looked up Prome's name as well and it's the name of a city in Burma.



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Post by: Aazealh on January 04, 2014, 11:41:58 PM
Hi Alucroas, welcome.

According to this article (http://gigantomachia.typepad.com/gigantomachia/2003/08/the_battle_of_t.html) I found after googling 'Gigantomachia', it's definition is "War" (Machia) and "Giants" (Gigantes/Giganto). Would it be implausible to say that after millions of years following a post-apocalyptic event, the Gods have risen and are now waging a war on one another through various tribes?

Yes, the meaning of "ΓIΓANTO MAXIA" was not lost on us. This is a story about a war fought with giants, and as its name implies it is strongly steeped in Greek mythology. However, having read the first 3 issues, I feel pretty safe in saying that I don't think gods are waging war through tribes. It's actually the opposite: one tribe, the Hu, is waging war on the others and it's using giant monsters to do it.

I wouldn't be surprised to see a few scarabs running around or being used as currency.

The people from that one tribe actually call themselves the Scarabae. I get the feeling you haven't read all of this thread in which you're posting, and I think you should in order to get up to speed about what we know of the story so far.

I'm starting to see why he was suspected of being a spy, provided Ogun's people or, he himself have any knowledge of Greek words and their meanings.

He's suspected of being a spy because he's a Hu, and that tribe runs the empire. The characters are obviously not aware of the Greek references that permeate the story.

I rather like the fact that the article mentions Ragnarok, the end of days, or rather the end of a tribal era that is soon to come.

Uhh, the Ragnarök is part of Nordic mythology and so it's highly unlikely to be pertinent at all here.

There is however a clear statement right at the beginning of the story that it takes place "just before history was about to come to an end", but that's not hinting at what you're saying here, more at the end of times period. Furthermore, it's not like the Scarabae live as a primitive tribe. They were a full civilization that had developed around their biological evolution as well as their symbiotic relationship with giant beetles. What we see in the story is their last bastion after what has apparently been (given Ogun's life story) decades of war against the empire. Lastly, we know from the story that a great extinction took place in the past that wiped out most of the "old world", and that Prome is from before that event took place.

By the way, I looked up Prome's name as well and it's the name of a city in Burma.

It is really most likely a reference to the name Prometheus.
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Post by: Buy Berserk! on January 08, 2014, 02:38:27 PM
Miniseries climax incoming.
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Post by: Aazealh on January 08, 2014, 02:48:56 PM
Hahaha I fucking called it! Miura best mangaka ever or best author all media included? Total Ganishka vibe from the beginning of the episode too. Will comment more later on but it's pretty damn cool stuff.
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Post by: Walter on January 08, 2014, 03:04:50 PM
Total Ganishka vibe from the beginning of the episode too.

Yep, and actually lots of things about this episode reminded me of Berserk. Blaze wheel, Berserk Armor, etc.
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Post by: jackson_hurley on January 08, 2014, 03:33:56 PM
euh wow just wow! Indeed a few things that made me think of berserk too. Thx. very nice as always.

Good call Aaz. you're pretty good at anticipating Miura's stuff  :ubik:
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Post by: Griffith on January 08, 2014, 05:39:04 PM
Yep, and actually lots of things about this episode reminded me of Berserk. Blaze wheel, Berserk Armor, etc.

It's Miura's wildest Berserk fantasies that he can't do because fans pissed their pants over trolls and magic armor. =)

Could also be reverse psychology/testing the water for the final giant Beast vs. giant Femto kaiju fight that trashes Falconia. Make my (inner) monster grow! :guts:
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Post by: Walter on January 08, 2014, 05:51:57 PM
because A HANDFUL OF DOUBTING IDIOTS pissed their pants over trolls and magic armor. =)
Fixed.

I put some of the 2-page spreads together, but they're all missing a chunk in the middle. I should scan mine when it arrives:

CLICK ME (http://skullknight.net/images/gigantomakhia-4.jpg)

CLICK ME TOO (http://skullknight.net/images/gigantomakhia-4_1.jpg)

CLICK ME THREE (http://skullknight.net/images/gigantomakhia-4_2.jpg)

My only disappointment in this issue? It's over in 2 more...  :sad:
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Post by: ryOtoha on January 08, 2014, 08:56:54 PM
And so, one of my dreams came true: Seeing Miura's own twist on the robotto genre. :guts:
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Post by: Aazealh on January 08, 2014, 09:19:05 PM
Yep, and actually lots of things about this episode reminded me of Berserk. Blaze wheel, Berserk Armor, etc.

I totally love the weird snail creatures carrying the empire's military as well as what I think are the Oracles (the women controlling the giant). They're calling it a Titan, by the way. Anyway that carriage thing plus the giant controlled remotely as well as the giant itself totally remind me of Ganishka in so many ways. And yeah, Delos and Prome's transformation can be related to Schierke's way of helping Guts control the armor, though the connexion is less strong to me. And yeah the eyes do have that badass spiral effect that's reminiscent of what the armor showed when Schierke and Guts bested Daiba and the Kundalini with the blazing wheel.

It's Miura's wildest Berserk fantasies that he can't do because fans pissed their pants over trolls and magic armor. =)

Could also be reverse psychology/testing the water for the final giant Beast vs. giant Femto kaiju fight that trashes Falconia. Make my (inner) monster grow! :guts:

Hehe, I think it's simply cool stuff that wouldn't happen in Berserk because it doesn't fit the context but is cool to show off nevertheless. =) Since it's a new series, might as well not make it redundant, right?

And so, one of my dreams came true: Seeing Miura's own twist on the robotto genre. :guts:

The head of the Delos/Prome giant (its name is "Goura") reminds me of Mazinger Z, what do you think? The way it's split with Prome behind glass in the middle of it. Definite homage to me, especially knowing that Miura is a fan of Gō Nagai.

Goura's totally white, by the way. Like chalk. Its blood is Nectar, and its bones are made out of Orichalcum (the legendary metal of Atlantis)!
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Post by: Gobolatula on January 08, 2014, 10:02:25 PM
HOLY SHIT.

FUCKING HOLY SHIT WHAT A GREAT FUCKING INSTALLMENT. HOLY SHIT.
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Post by: ryOtoha on January 08, 2014, 10:21:29 PM
Exactly :void: The cockpit is clearly reminiscent of  the Hover Pilder docking itself into Mazinger's head.

Goura's totally white, by the way. Like chalk. Its blood is Nectar, and its bones are made out of Orichalcum!

And Mazinger Z is also heavily influenced by greek mythology and mainly by the Talos' myth (a giant man made of bronze) :guts:

(http://www.unionguanajuato.mx/sites/default/files/imagecache/v2_660x370/Mazinger_main.jpg)
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Post by: Walter on January 09, 2014, 12:07:02 AM
It's pretty awesome, guys.

When the transformation begins, a massive electricity jolt is released to the nearby area, and Prome uses that to either transmute or convert the sand into the form of Goura. Cool idea!
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Post by: Rhombaad on January 09, 2014, 12:07:44 AM
HOLY SHIT.

FUCKING HOLY SHIT WHAT A GREAT FUCKING INSTALLMENT. HOLY SHIT.

That's pretty much what I was going to say. Absolutely amazing.
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Post by: ryOtoha on January 09, 2014, 12:22:06 AM

When the transformation begins, a massive electricity jolt is released to the nearby area, and Prome uses that to either transmute or convert the sand into the form of the giant. Cool idea!

That's a pretty neat explanation/observation.
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Post by: Skeleton on January 09, 2014, 01:32:30 AM
Goura's totally white, by the way. Like chalk. Its blood is Nectar, and its bones are made out of Orichalcum (the legendary metal of Atlantis)!

That's pretty badass.  :guts:

Fixed.

I put some of the 2-page spreads together, but they're all missing a chunk in the middle. I should scan mine when it arrives:

CLICK ME (http://skullknight.net/images/gigantomakhia-4.jpg)

CLICK ME TOO (http://skullknight.net/images/gigantomakhia-4_1.jpg)

CLICK ME THREE (http://skullknight.net/images/gigantomakhia-4_2.jpg)

My only disappointment in this issue? It's over in 2 more...  :sad:

I love those two page spreads.  Especially that first one.
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Post by: Walter on January 09, 2014, 01:35:56 AM
I love those two page spreads.  Especially that first one.
Yeah, I wanted to put that one together to see what was actually happening (it's emerging up from the ground).
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Post by: IncantatioN on January 09, 2014, 02:07:36 AM
It's pretty awesome, guys.

When the transformation begins, a massive electricity jolt is released to the nearby area, and Prome uses that to either transmute or convert the sand into the form of Goura. Cool idea!

In the words of Pantera, this episode is goddamn electric! Thanks for all the info Aaz and Walter. Definitely see the Ganishka thing with the big guy's design, the chariot design (those two eyes) that we see first on Page 4. That's one helluva jump by Delos. What do you think is the explosion sort of stuff (or the cause of it) that we see in pages 18/19/23 behind Goura? Do you think the Ganishka looking giant is sort of controlled by the person we see in the lower panel on Page 5/16? 
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Post by: Walter on January 09, 2014, 02:16:04 AM
What do you think is the explosion sort of stuff (or the cause of it) that we see in pages 18/19/23 behind Goura?
Seems to be the result of Goura swatting down the elephant things.

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Do you think the Ganishka looking giant is sort of controlled by the person we see in the lower panel on Page 5/16?
The oracle—yeah, well at least that's what we postulated on the last podcast.

Based on what little I could understand of the text, I'd say the oracles are a part of the empire that the military either works alongside or works FOR, but it seems to be a tenuous alliance. The leader of the troops laments that they'd been searching for this sleeping titan for 3 years, and have lost many soldiers along the way because of their proximity to these giant creatures. Anyway, the oracles obviously seem to be the ones in charge of or controlling the titan.

BTW, the soldiers share armor similarities with Roman centurions, though that's no surprise to anyone... But what WAS surprising is that the leader has a seashell design on his helmet that looks a lot like the iconic one on Prome's head. It's also on a banner you can just barely see on page 4. Wonder what the connection is...?

More than ever, I really hope we learn how Prome and Delos met. 6 issues is too short...
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Post by: Aazealh on January 09, 2014, 09:06:51 AM
BTW, the soldiers share armor similarities with Roman centurions

The designs are actually inspired by Greek soldiers (that helmet with the 2 feathers on the side is characteristic), unsurprisingly. The Romans had borrowed a lot from them as well, which why it's easy to confuse the two.

But what WAS surprising is that the leader has a seashell design on his helmet that looks a lot like the iconic one on Prome's head. It's also on a banner you can just barely see on page 4. Wonder what the connection is...?

The symbol of the empire? Athens was a considerable maritime power in Ancient Greece, could be the relation. Could also relate to Atlantis (since there's been talk of Orichalcum...), the name of which refers to Atlas originally, a primordial titan. Or maybe it's a relic from the old world, from which the empire could be issued (the remnants of its dominant nation?). I guess we'll see.

More than ever, I really hope we learn how Prome and Delos met. 6 issues is too short...

Well, it's short but that's also the beauty of it. You get to see a slice of something amazing and only get a glimpse of the rest of the world. Stimulates the imagination. Anyway I'm sure we will get some background information on their story before the end.
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Post by: Walter on January 09, 2014, 11:10:00 AM
The designs are actually inspired by Greek soldiers (that helmet with the 2 feathers on the side is characteristic), unsurprisingly. The Romans had borrowed a lot from them as well, which why it's easy to confuse the two.
Of course, but specific parts of the helmet design looks very much like a Centurion's: http://www.swordsandarmor.com/images/H-910914-RD_Roman.jpg

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The symbol of the empire? Athens was a considerable maritime power in Ancient Greece, could be the relation. Could also relate to Atlantis (since there's been talk of Orichalcum...), the name of which refers to Atlas originally, a primordial titan. Or maybe it's a relic from the old world, from which the empire could be issued (the remnants of its dominant nation?). I guess we'll see.
All cool ideas. My first thought given the series' focus on biology was that it has something to do with harnessing the power of the natural world, since the seashell's spiral pattern is a simple symbol of the Golden Spiral/Golden Ratio, or a Fibonacci sequence--a kind of marriage between science and nature. But maybe I'm getting ahead of myself  :ganishka:

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Well, it's short but that's also the beauty of it. You get to see a slice of something amazing and only get a glimpse of the rest of the world. Stimulates the imagination. Anyway I'm sure we will get some background information on their story before the end.
And I can appreciate that, but when it comes to following episodic releases like this, I'm preconditioned to a grand series like Berserk that spans multiple volumes. Looking forward to learning just a little more before the end...
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Post by: Aazealh on January 09, 2014, 01:34:36 PM
Of course, but specific parts of the helmet design looks very much like a Centurion's: http://www.swordsandarmor.com/images/H-910914-RD_Roman.jpg

That is because, as I have mentioned, the Romans greatly inspired themselves (in many things, including armor) from the Greeks, as is common knowledge. It's an attic helmet, a design that originated in Greece. If you need I can post historical data to refute the idea that any part of it would be specifically Roman, but I think the fact that this entire story is a reference to Greek mythology should be sufficient to make you reconsider that assumption.

All cool ideas. My first thought given the series' focus on biology was that it has something to do with harnessing the power of the natural world, since the seashell's spiral pattern is a simple symbol of the Golden Spiral/Golden Ratio, or a Fibonacci sequence--a kind of marriage between science and nature. But maybe I'm getting ahead of myself  :ganishka:

Well, you know, why not. The two ideas are not necessarily incompatible. That being said, I think Prome would better fit this refined symbol than an empire bent on subjugating all others before it.

And I can appreciate that, but when it comes to following episodic releases like this, I'm preconditioned to a grand series like Berserk that spans multiple volumes. Looking forward to learning just a little more before the end...

I don't think you'll be disappointed, in that regard or any other. :slan:
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Post by: Walter on January 09, 2014, 01:41:59 PM
That is because, as I have mentioned, the Romans greatly inspired themselves (in many things, including armor) from the Greeks, as is common knowledge.
And of course I know that. But when the Romans borrowed concepts, they weren't always carbon copies. And the helmet I linked to has a very specific design (even down to the pins in the helmet) that looks like the one in the issue.

That being said, the Attic Helmet IS very convincing. Check this out, it even has the seashell design: http://www.roman-reenactor.com/attic%20helmet.html So... case closed!

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Well, you know, why not. The two ideas are not necessarily incompatible. That being said, I think Prome would better fit this refined symbol than an empire bent on subjugating all others.
Agreed, which is why the symbol's recurrence is interesting.
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Post by: Aazealh on January 09, 2014, 02:03:50 PM
And of course I know that. But when the Romans borrowed concepts, they weren't always carbon copies. And the helmet I linked to has a very specific design (even down to the pins in the helmet) that looks like the one in the issue.

The helmet you linked to is from a fantasy replica website that has no legitimacy. That aside, I think its differences to that of the one shown in the episode are if anything a point against your argument.

That being said, the Attic Helmet IS very convincing. Check this out, it even has the seashell design: http://www.roman-reenactor.com/attic%20helmet.html

Yeah, I know. Specifically, on that page, the helmet most resembling what we can see in the episode, and a typical example of the attic design, is this one (http://www.roman-reenactor.com/wpimages/wp3d265f67_05_06.jpg). It dates back to several centuries before the actual Roman Empire was formed, or the rank of centurion created. Notice the side wings and the spots in which to insert feathers on the side, a characteristic not seen in later Roman variants.
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Post by: Uriel on January 09, 2014, 03:07:42 PM
It's Miura's wildest Berserk fantasies that he can't do because fans pissed their pants over trolls and magic armor. =)

Could also be reverse psychology/testing the water for the final giant Beast vs. giant Femto kaiju fight that trashes Falconia.

Haha, we can only hope.
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Post by: Aazealh on January 09, 2014, 08:59:50 PM
A few random things I find interesting to point out: among her many very scientific comments as Goura is created, Prome mentions that the energy deployed is of 90 terajoules. For reference, the atomic bombs used on Hiroshima and Nagasaki respectively released 63 and 88 terajoules of energy.

That little factoid aside, the commander in armor we see at the beginning of the episode says that they "have managed this expedition not thanks to Olympus gods, but thanks to Titans." That settles the fact that aside from primordial beings like Gaia, whom Prome referenced in the previous episode while talking about Hapi, there are also "higher" gods who seemingly don't favor the empire.

Now that opens a few possibilities, but let's first lay out some background for those not too familiar with these things. In Greek mythology, Prometheus was a titan, the one who gave fire to mankind and is also credited with fashioning man from clay. He wasn't however among the titans who opposed the Olympians during the Titanomachy, despite being associated with them by lineage. Anyway, his punishment by Zeus for stealing fire and giving it to man was to be chained to the Caucasus and have his liver devoured by an eagle every day, while it regrew every night. He was eventually freed by Heracles. Speaking of which, during the Gigantomachy, the hero Heracles fought alongside the Olympians, as Hera had predicted that the battle couldn't be won by the gods alone.

Looking at the story of Gigantomakhia so far, it's obvious to me and was from the beginning that Delos is a transposition of Heracles from the original Greek myth. The heroic warrior, embodiment of masculinity, champion of good. And given her nature and powers, it's also quite clear that Prome is a goddess. Her name suggests a relation to Prometheus, and I can't help but point out that she literally just fashioned a man out of sand in this episode. I can also easily imagine a scenario in which Delos rescued her from imprisonment when he rebelled against his former life. However Prometheus is a man, and aside from that Prome's looks better fit to me the idea of an Olympian than a Titan. Especially when you see what the titans are in the story. Furthermore, Prometheus was a trickser but not really a warrior, and Prome was described in the previous episode as being associated with martial arts. Looking at the Greek pantheon, the obvious answer is of course Athena, virgin goddess of war, heroism, justice, wisdom, mathematics, civilization, and more.

So at this point Prome could still be a few different things, but I'm betting on her character being based on a mix of Prometheus and Athena.
Title: Re: Gigantomakhia—new 6-part scifi miniseries by Miura
Post by: Walter on January 10, 2014, 05:07:50 PM
Looking at the story of Gigantomakhia so far, it's obvious to me and was from the beginning that Delos is a transposition of Heracles from the original Greek myth. The heroic warrior, embodiment of masculinity, champion of good. And given her nature and powers, it's also quite clear that Prome is a goddess. Her name suggests a relation to Prometheus, and I can't help but point out that she literally just fashioned a man out of sand in this episode. I can also easily imagine a scenario in which Delos rescued her from imprisonment when he rebelled against his former life. However Prometheus is a man, and aside from that Prome's looks better fit to me the idea of an Olympian than a Titan. Especially when you see what the titans are in the story. Furthermore, Prometheus was a trickser but not really a warrior, and Prome was described in the previous episode as being associated with martial arts. Looking at the Greek pantheon, the obvious answer is of course Athena, virgin goddess of war, heroism, justice, wisdom, mathematics, civilization, and more.

So at this point Prome could still be a few different things, but I'm betting on her character being based on a mix of Prometheus and Athena.

Great background work here, thanks Aaz. It is cool to consider transposing the myth onto this, and be able to extrapolate some more details about the story. But while there are certainly similarities, I don't think Miura's beholden to the original tale.

I actually am beginning to wonder if he considers this a retelling of sorts, or if he's merely drawing on certain elements of that myth.
Title: Re: Gigantomakhia—new 6-part scifi miniseries by Miura
Post by: Aazealh on January 10, 2014, 06:29:55 PM
But while there are certainly similarities, I don't think Miura's beholden to the original tale.

Of course, he definitely is not, and if I didn't bother listing the differences and deviations it's because there really just are too many. But I do think a long look at the original tale is a must here in order to fully appreciate what Miura's doing, and given the context I don't believe the similarities can be mere coincidences. Not when we know how meticulous and deliberate Miura is.

I actually am beginning to wonder if he considers this a retelling of sorts, or if he's merely drawing on certain elements of that myth.

I wouldn't call it a retelling. It's just too different, and while Miura's clearly paying homage to that myth and is openly using it as a basis for his story, it's equally clear to me that he didn't intend to be faithful to it in general.
Title: Re: Gigantomakhia—new 6-part scifi miniseries by Miura
Post by: TheBranded1 on January 13, 2014, 03:42:00 AM
I'm glad this miniseries was done. Just to show us what Miura can do and I'm gonna miss it. It has that hook in you that you want to know more as the story progresses.
Title: Re: Gigantomakhia—new 6-part scifi miniseries by Miura
Post by: Aazealh on January 14, 2014, 08:30:17 PM
In YA's latest issue Miura's comment is that he'd always wanted to do a "transforming hero" at some point.
Title: Re: Gigantomakhia—new 6-part scifi miniseries by Miura
Post by: Buy Berserk! on January 21, 2014, 05:49:46 PM
Strap yourselves in. The end is drawing near.
Title: Re: Gigantomakhia—new 6-part scifi miniseries by Miura
Post by: jackson_hurley on January 21, 2014, 06:08:28 PM
Holy. Fucking. Christ. The next one is just gonna be explosive! Beautiful!

And if I'm not wrong it's a 45 pages for the last one right? Gonna be humm crazy?! Awesome?! Crazy awesome!!

I really like how the giant (the good one that I forgot his name) moves, with seemingly gush of winds or something like that.
Title: Re: Gigantomakhia—new 6-part scifi miniseries by Miura
Post by: Aazealh on January 21, 2014, 06:33:42 PM
Great stuff, no punches pulled here, literally.

Prome says "Delos Goura, following our contract, we will destroy the giants of Olympus." And then "Gigantomakhia starts!" She continuously refers to him as "Delos Goura".

As for the super-punch, she calls "Nitro-nectar ignition!" as it begins. Not shying away from the staples of the genre. :badbone:

The Titan throws fireballs at Goura that he deflects (first to protect himself, then the bystanders). It then deploys the "Plasma-blade" that is on its head, about which Prome says that if Goura takes the brunt of the hit, he could be cleaved in half.

I'm really curious to see what the Titan's face is now. Looks quite hideous, and like it has two faces inside of each other. Quite intriguing.
Title: Re: Gigantomakhia—new 6-part scifi miniseries by Miura
Post by: jackson_hurley on January 21, 2014, 06:38:32 PM
Thanx Aaz, that made this episode much clearer for me! Makes it more incredible and fun to read.
Title: Re: Gigantomakhia—new 6-part scifi miniseries by Miura
Post by: Walter on January 21, 2014, 06:55:37 PM
Thanks for the explanation, Aaz. I figured that porous design on Goura wasn't just for looks  :ubik:

Also, great that we have some of Delos and Prome's goals stated, even though it was pretty clear...

I found some of the action hard to follow until I pieced the two-page spreads together. It looks like the giant's fireballs are deflected the first time, but then a second volley manages to hit Goura. Also, the plasma blade does appear to injure Goura somewhat before he's able to slam it at the end.
Title: Re: Gigantomakhia—new 6-part scifi miniseries by Miura
Post by: Aazealh on January 21, 2014, 07:27:23 PM
It looks like the giant's fireballs are deflected the first time, but then a second volley manages to hit Goura.

That's because he chose to protect the villagers instead of himself. That Oracle fights dirty!

Also, the plasma blade does appear to injure Goura somewhat before he's able to slam it at the end.

Yeah, we can see that he was hit in the abdomen.
Title: Re: Gigantomakhia—new 6-part scifi miniseries by Miura
Post by: Gobolatula on January 22, 2014, 03:26:55 PM
Ever look at something so awesome it makes you cry?
Title: Re: Gigantomakhia—new 6-part scifi miniseries by Miura
Post by: Draculoid on January 22, 2014, 04:10:56 PM
Thanks you so much for the ep and thank you Aaz for the descriptions. Such an awesome episode, wonder how this will all finish?? It's kind of sad seeing how great this is and knowing there is only one episode left :( but at the same time, that brings us ever closer to Berserk!! :guts:
Title: Re: Gigantomakhia—new 6-part scifi miniseries by Miura
Post by: jackalj on January 22, 2014, 06:39:47 PM
to bad I can't read japanese, seems like a awesome episode.

So this means that we just have a month to go till Berserk resumes. How long has it been? A year and 2 months?
Title: Re: Gigantomakhia—new 6-part scifi miniseries by Miura
Post by: Walter on January 22, 2014, 06:42:34 PM
So this means that we just have a month to go till Berserk resumes. How long has it been? A year and 2 months?
That's presumptuous at this point. All we know is that it will resume sometime after Gigantomakhia. No specific date has been given. As for how long, the last episode came out in December 2012.
Title: Re: Gigantomakhia—new 6-part scifi miniseries by Miura
Post by: Gobolatula on January 22, 2014, 07:26:18 PM
Call me crazy, but I want more Gigantomakhia. Lots more.
Title: Re: Gigantomakhia—new 6-part scifi miniseries by Miura
Post by: Walter on January 22, 2014, 07:42:15 PM
Call me crazy, but I want more Gigantomakhia. Lots more.
Not crazy. I've been thinking the same thing over the past two issues. However, I am looking forward to Berserk returning. But if Miura ever said he'd like to make the series a little longer, I would not object.
Title: Re: Gigantomakhia—new 6-part scifi miniseries by Miura
Post by: Aazealh on January 23, 2014, 09:08:52 PM
Upon seeing Goura, the Scarabae's chief says he thought it was odd for 2 Hu to be able to reach this place, their holy ground. He already thought they were ones blessed/protected by a giant. Goura is 53 meters high (about 174 feet for you crazy US folks). Prome refers to being a "contractor" again and the furigana "エルゴラボス" (Ergo Rabos?) is used. Not sure what that means. She also specifies that Delos didn't transform into Goura. He IS Goura.

After Goura puts the Titan down, the Oracle talks about receiving its pain. Then says it's got a secret technique (the fireballs). Prome specifies that these fireballs are "reactive heat plasma" and that Delos shouldn't let them touch him. For the anecdote, both the words "nitro" and "plasma" are derived from Greek. Not a coincidence. Anyway, Prome then wonders what could be done, and advises Delos to dodge, as his body temperature is increasing. Delos refuses to move in order to protect the villagers.

Prome then repeats to them (the Scarabae) what she'd said before, that she'll fulfill her role in order to protect Delos if the situation calls for it,  and that she can temporarily slow down Delos' consciousness to a stop so that she can control Goura. Delos objects that they're not in a pinch. Prome tries to come up with a physical or chemical protection as the fireballs hit, but Delos says he doesn't need it (so virile~). Prome tells him that his sense will be numbed if he doesn't, meaning he won't be able to defeat his enemy. He replies that "a wrestler should overcome pain and noise from the crowd. I'll use my maximum power." She chastises him because he doesn't think logically, and yells for him to dodge as the Titan charges with his plasma-blade. Ogun's words as the episode ends: "That technique...!!"
Title: Re: Gigantomakhia—new 6-part scifi miniseries by Miura
Post by: ryOtoha on January 24, 2014, 04:13:13 PM
she can temporarily slow down Delos' consciousness to a stop so that she can control Goura.

Thank you Aaz for all those details!

Prome is basically saying she could pilot Goura like a conventional mecha if needed. That's a really cool detail. :void:
With a consciousness (but assisted by a god-like being) and a body structure allowing him to do wrestling, sounds like the ultimate giant robot!

Since Goura is a "giant robot", I wonder if he has a distinctive sound. Also, I wish we could know more about Goura's biology and various fonctions. I would kill to have some rough mechanical designs.

I really like the way Miura has built this world, especially the Scarabae tribe and the many social significance of their body evolution. One of them being what Aaz explained in his summary of the third episode about the link between insectoid traits/bloodlines and the chief election. As always with Miura, the amount of richness of detail and consistency is fascinating.
Title: Re: Gigantomakhia—new 6-part scifi miniseries by Miura
Post by: Rhombaad on January 27, 2014, 08:28:10 PM
Call me crazy, but I want more Gigantomakhia. Lots more.

Me, too. I've really been enjoying it. Like Walter said, I wouldn't mind if Miura returned to this world after finishing Berserk.
Title: Re: Gigantomakhia—new 6-part scifi miniseries by Miura
Post by: Aazealh on January 29, 2014, 08:10:37 PM
Miura's comment in this YA was: "An otaku is someone who scrapes up and recreates the things he liked in the past."

In short he's labelling himself a nerd while saying that Gigantomakhia is a tribute to the giant robot genre.

I wish we could know more about Goura's biology and various fonctions. I would kill to have some rough mechanical designs.

Well he's not really "mechanical", so I doubt you'll ever see that. :slan:
Title: Re: Gigantomakhia—new 6-part scifi miniseries by Miura
Post by: ryOtoha on January 29, 2014, 09:09:40 PM
Miura's comment in this YA was: "An otaku is someone who scrapes up and recreates the things he liked in the past."

In short he's labelling himself a nerd while saying that Gigantomakhia is a tribute to the giant robot genre.

That statement is making Gigantomakhia even more priceless to me.

Well he's not really "mechanical", so I doubt you'll ever see that. :slan:

I meant every detail Miura came up with, in order to design and make Goura meaningful and functional in this meticulously crafted world, from the blank page, to the current and final result. :iva:
Title: Re: Gigantomakhia—new 6-part scifi miniseries by Miura
Post by: Joe Chip on February 05, 2014, 08:16:40 PM
So now that Gigantomakhia is almost finished (and seeing how amazing it turned out), are you guys glad that Mr. Miura did it, or would you have preferred some Berserk episodes instead ?
In my case i seriously Loved this work and words can't describe how happy i was when i learned that he would do a Sci-Fi mini series. In the end i was blown away by the last few episodes, as you can tell i am glad he did it. 
Title: Re: Gigantomakhia—new 6-part scifi miniseries by Miura
Post by: Rhombaad on February 06, 2014, 02:41:49 PM
So now that Gigantomakhia is almost finished (and seeing how amazing it turned out), are you guys glad that Mr. Miura did it, or would you have preferred some Berserk episodes instead ?

I'm really glad Miura did it. Sure, I'm eager for Berserk to return, but it was cool seeing something new from Miura, set in an entirely different world, with equally interesting characters.
Title: Re: Gigantomakhia—new 6-part scifi miniseries by Miura
Post by: RivFader on February 06, 2014, 08:49:44 PM
I feel the same.
These six episodes showed just how good Miura is at worldbuilding, lore and all the aspects of a good manga that a lot of mangaka never manage to get just right. However, I see it more as a small experiement were he processed recent trends, ideas he may had to scratch from Berserk's plot outline and a lot of his personal favourite ideas he had no chance to ever draw into a single, small piece of art that is both charming, a bit strange and ultimately just as engaging as Berserk itself.
Title: Re: Gigantomakhia—new 6-part scifi miniseries by Miura
Post by: RaffoBaffo on February 09, 2014, 10:29:22 AM
http://www.mangaforever.net/134993/kentaro-miura-capitolo-extra-per-gigantomakhia-berserk-ritorna-a-marzo


This Italian site talk about an extra episode of Gigantomakhia on the YA n.5 (28 February):

The source is, apparently, the new YA (n.4) that is already out:



(http://i.imgur.com/cN6el6N.jpg)
Title: Re: Gigantomakhia—new 6-part scifi miniseries by Miura
Post by: Walter on February 09, 2014, 11:55:22 AM
Neat. I'll verify when my YA #4 arrives sometime this week.

The source is, apparently, the new YA (n.4) that is already out:
It's not due out til 2/14 though, so that's a very early leak.
Title: Re: Gigantomakhia—new 6-part scifi miniseries by Miura
Post by: RaffoBaffo on February 11, 2014, 02:39:03 PM
Neat. I'll verify when my YA #4 arrives sometime this week.
It's not due out til 2/14 though, so that's a very early leak.

So, the extra episode is real, but will be released on the N.5 of YA (14 March), nothing from Miura in the next issue.

(http://imageshack.com/a/img691/4839/i9kf.jpg)
Title: Re: Gigantomakhia—new 6-part scifi miniseries by Miura
Post by: Buy Berserk! on February 11, 2014, 04:10:30 PM
The epic conclusion.
Title: Re: Gigantomakhia—new 6-part scifi miniseries by Miura
Post by: ryOtoha on February 11, 2014, 07:02:11 PM
Thanks! Getting this ep give me a bittersweet feeling :sad:
Title: Re: Gigantomakhia—new 6-part scifi miniseries by Miura
Post by: Aazealh on February 11, 2014, 08:40:48 PM
To summarize it briefly:

After the Titan's hood breaks, the oracle's thoughts are gone (her mind is blank). Prome notices that the Titan is following a life-sustaining program and will devour the people and destroy the den, and tells Delos to restrain it. She tells him to remember that their goal isn't to completely destroy the enemy giant. Their goal is to stop the Titans' activity as vanguards of the Olympus gods, so that they go back to their original role, to be the flesh of Gaia.

To disable the giant, every single one of its cells should be hit at once. In order to do so, 70% of Goura's nectar is converted to nitro-nectar. IGNITION, and they're off to the sky. ICARUS FALL! Titan neutralized.

Prome tells Delos not to care about the battle below, as their goal has been reached. But Delos intervenes anyway, and as Goura dematerializes, he begs the Scarabae not to kill the Hu. They're outraged of course, asking him how he could say so given what was done to them, etc. He repeats his plea. Ogun grabs him and asks him if he really is a dog of the empire after all. But as Delos stands up, his scars are shown. The wounds he got as Goura remain as scars on his body, for the two are one. Prome explains that his brain has converted the damage he received as Goura to his body, leaving those scars.

The Scarabae don't care, their bitterness and desire for revenge is too strong. Delos is resigned, but Prome intervenes telepathically (in a way very reminiscent of Sonia) and addresses all of them. She tells them that in a hundred years, all of this desert will be a living and flourishing area. It's because by "planting" the Titan in the earth, the land will grow rich life. Prome can manipulate the memory of the empire's soldiers, so that all of the information regarding their location will be deleted, ensuring they can never come back there again. She says that if they accept Delos' wish, it will happen. She tells them to choose: revenge about the past or prosperity in the future. And somehow, despite the bloodlust, a child's cry manages to finally defuse the situation. Delos, tears in his eyes, thanks Prome for what she did.

Later, as they watch the Hu convoy depart, Prome says that when the soldiers will come back to the empire, they'll have forgotten all about the desert, and will instead feel a very powerful fear about it. They talk a bit and Prome asks why life is so important to Delos, things like that. She tells him that since lives are so important to him, he wants to let more lives exist by destroying the Olympus gods. He on the other hand tells her that she's the best goddess to him for all his life, which prompts her to retreat a bit shyly to her ball-form. Then it's back full circle and their enigmatic pose and innuendo-filled dialogue from the beginning now makes sense as they resume their journey, walking towards the distant sun.

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I have to say, it's quite an amazing way to end the series, though it was mostly expected, and though we've got one more episode to go as a bonus (which was a last minute decision apparently). I imagine (i.e. hope) it will shed some light on the gods of Olympus, Gaia and the Titans, and maybe on how Prome and Delos first met, but that's probably asking a bit much for a late bonus.

Anyway, I think this series if anything reaffirms how great of a storyteller Miura is. It's really humbling to me to witness his talent. And I really like what he's done with Delos too. He really is a different character from Guts, it's almost fascinating to me. They're so close yet so far.
Title: Re: Gigantomakhia—new 6-part scifi miniseries by Miura
Post by: Walter on February 12, 2014, 02:20:37 AM
Thanks for the detailed summary, Aaz! I love how the story loops by the end, as their banter continues into the sunset.  It all ends so cleanly, in fact, that I'm having trouble wondering what the surprise next issue is going to be. Holding out for a side story (of a side story...?) on how Delos and Prome met, since that's the one big loose thread, at least for me.

Regarding Delos and his scars, seeing them mirrored from Goura's damage made me wonder about how often they've been through such a thing. Afterall, Delos has many battle scars, and not all of them may be from his time in the arena.  Like Aaz said, the similarities and differences between Delos and Guts are pretty fascinating to consider. I'm not so sure Guts would take a blow like that to save complete strangers. The series ended with such a surprisingly positive, anti-war message. I was taken aback.

Will have more to say on the podcast, as usual.
Title: Re: Gigantomakhia—new 6-part scifi miniseries by Miura
Post by: ryOtoha on February 12, 2014, 04:36:06 PM
For the extra episode, i'll be happy to see Delos' life as a gladiator/fighting slave and exactly how/why/from whom he finally escaped.

Title: Re: Gigantomakhia—new 6-part scifi miniseries by Miura
Post by: IncantatioN on February 12, 2014, 06:31:05 PM
Thanks for the summary, Aaz! Can't wait to pick it up to read tomorrow. I was re-reading the series last week and realized we get an early glimpse of the Kushan 'eye' design in the arena (2nd episode) and those bald heads on top of pillars are reminiscent of the beherit's design.
Title: Re: Gigantomakhia—new 6-part scifi miniseries by Miura
Post by: Mammon on February 17, 2014, 07:51:07 PM
(I created this account years ago, but it's only my second post, so sorry if my English is awkward, I'm French)

Well that "miniseries" was amazing. At first I was a bit disappointed because I wanted some Berserk (my favorite manga), but I ended up loving Gigantomakhia. And I've never been a huge "robot manga" fan, except for Evangelion.
Hopefully it will be published in one volume in France or USA, because I really want it in my collection, and be able to read it like a real manga, not on the computer.

And in hindsight, if something should have been turned into a movie, I wish it would have been this one since the Berserk project was a complete failure (IMHO). I'm a sucker for adaptations though, and imagining Gigantomakhia as an anime/movie (I know they won't adapt it, I'm just day-dreaming) gets me pumped.

Anyway thanks to all of you guys for your interesting discussions about this miniseries in this thread, it made the experience of reading it even more interesting.
Mammon, usually just a lurker.
Title: Re: Gigantomakhia—new 6-part scifi miniseries by Miura
Post by: IncantatioN on February 17, 2014, 08:21:03 PM
Hopefully it will be published in one volume in France or USA, because I really want it in my collection, and be able to read it like a real manga, not on the computer.

You can also pick up YA issues so you can read it in physical format. More info on which specific issues can be seen here (http://www.skullknight.net/forum/index.php?topic=14106.msg224630#msg224630).
Title: Re: Gigantomakhia—new 6-part scifi miniseries by Miura
Post by: Aazealh on February 19, 2014, 11:05:16 PM
Miura's comment in this YA was: "One day I wish to continue this story."
Title: Re: Gigantomakhia—new 6-part scifi miniseries by Miura
Post by: Slime_Beherit on February 20, 2014, 12:34:10 AM
I hope to one day continue to read that story.

I'm so glad he's gonna continue, theres so much potential here. Though this is quite the preview, I don't imagine he will revisit it for a decade :T Still I will be there with bated breath
Title: Re: Gigantomakhia—new 6-part scifi miniseries by Miura
Post by: Rhombaad on February 20, 2014, 12:53:19 AM
Miura's comment in this YA was: "One day I wish to continue this story."

Nice! That's excellent news.
Title: Re: Gigantomakhia—new 6-part scifi miniseries by Miura
Post by: ryOtoha on February 20, 2014, 02:16:22 AM
Miura's comment in this YA was: "One day I wish to continue this story."
Great news indeed !
Title: Re: Gigantomakhia—new 6-part scifi miniseries by Miura
Post by: IncantatioN on February 20, 2014, 04:27:31 AM
That's amazing news, thanks Aaz. Also excited for that upcoming bonus episode.
Title: Re: Gigantomakhia—new 6-part scifi miniseries by Miura
Post by: Walter on February 20, 2014, 01:35:22 PM
Miura's comment in this YA was: "One day I wish to continue this story."

I certainly hope he does. The concepts he laid out are worth a few more volumes, at least.

Also excited for that upcoming bonus episode.

And with his comment here, I really wonder what that extra issue is going to be...?
Title: Re: Gigantomakhia—new 6-part scifi miniseries by Miura
Post by: Mammon on February 20, 2014, 09:03:32 PM
You can also pick up YA issues so you can read it in physical format. More info on which specific issues can be seen here (http://www.skullknight.net/forum/index.php?topic=14106.msg224630#msg224630).

Thanks for the link! I did buy a few issues of Young Animal over the years, but since I don't read Japanese...  :judo:
I'm all for supporting Miura (I bought all the Berserk volumes (and a bunch of other Berserk-related  stuff) that are out in French, and I generally buy all the manga series I follow) but not to the point of buying stuff I can't read...
But that's another topic.

I'm also very curious about that "bonus" episode. Maybe something about Delos's youth, like he did with Guts recently.
I'm sure Miura will deliver anyway. He always does.
Title: Re: Gigantomakhia—new 6-part scifi miniseries by Miura
Post by: Chaos on February 24, 2014, 04:14:10 AM
Damnit. That page near the end of the sixth episode with Delos thanking Pome.... :azan:
This mini series was such a cool treat. Granted, I still cannot wait to get Berserk back, but this was so awesome and I really hope Miura does come back to visit this someday.
Title: Re: Gigantomakhia—new 6-part scifi miniseries by Miura
Post by: Sankari on February 24, 2014, 01:18:52 PM
I just finished reading it , the 6 vols in a row.
It was great , I really liked it. Pity its ending so soon. The world he built had so much mistery and fantasy to it.
Miura hasn't lost his creative abilities. Even if he had to take a break from Berserk, I think it was worth it.
I wish he would hire a team to speed up the drawing process , so that he could create more stories
Title: Re: Gigantomakhia—new 6-part scifi miniseries by Miura
Post by: Aazealh on February 24, 2014, 06:14:37 PM
I wish he would hire a team to speed up the drawing process , so that he could create more stories

This just in: he already has a team of assistants. Has had one for 20 years.
Title: Re: Gigantomakhia—new 6-part scifi miniseries by Miura
Post by: Zoddiscute on February 26, 2014, 02:58:43 PM
Prome is such a hottie! I hope they do an Anime adaptation of this, Would be great for numerous panty shots!

I guess they would probably change Prome's method of reviving Delos though....
Title: Re: Gigantomakhia—new 6-part scifi miniseries by Miura
Post by: Aazealh on February 26, 2014, 03:13:01 PM
Prome is such a hottie! I hope they do an Anime adaptation of this, Would be great for numerous panty shots!

Really? Don't you think you're severely missing the point?
Title: Re: Gigantomakhia—new 6-part scifi miniseries by Miura
Post by: Zoddiscute on February 26, 2014, 03:32:41 PM
Really? Don't you think you're severely missing the point?

Nope, the main thing I came away thinking about from this Manga is Prome's upskirt shots and sweet nectar.

This Manga has everything really, interesting characters and setting, cool massive monsters, deep philosophical sub text, cute loli girl, what more could you ask for?

I really like Delos's character, that line about how giving into hate felt like loosing is well cool.

Really should make a good Anime of this.
Title: Re: Gigantomakhia—new 6-part scifi miniseries by Miura
Post by: Jaze1618 on February 26, 2014, 05:47:51 PM
 :mozgus: No more anime on Miura's work ever please. Thank you.
Title: Re: Gigantomakhia—new 6-part scifi miniseries by Miura
Post by: Aazealh on February 26, 2014, 07:28:19 PM
Nope, the main thing I came away thinking about from this Manga is Prome's upskirt shots and sweet nectar.

I hope you're being sarcastic, in which case, given that it was the only thing you had to say about the series out of its entire run, you'll have to excuse me for taking exception to it, especially since there aren't actually any "panty shots" in Gigantomakhia. And if you're being serious, well honestly that's pretty fucking sad.
Title: Re: Gigantomakhia—new 6-part scifi miniseries by Miura
Post by: Zoddiscute on February 26, 2014, 08:34:20 PM
:mozgus: No more anime on Miura's work ever please. Thank you.

I meant good Anime, get a good team to do it not like the last Berserk Anime, I thought the original series was excellent though, could have been better obviously but it captured a lot of the spirit of the Manga overall.
Title: Re: Gigantomakhia—new 6-part scifi miniseries by Miura
Post by: Proj2501 on February 28, 2014, 01:16:21 AM
Nope, the main thing I came away thinking about from this Manga is Prome's upskirt shots and sweet nectar.

This Manga has everything really, interesting characters and setting, cool massive monsters, deep philosophical sub text, cute loli girl, what more could you ask for?

I really like Delos's character, that line about how giving into hate felt like loosing is well cool.

Really should make a good Anime of this.

Hahahahahaha. Oh man, dude. You can see how your statements are gonna get torn asunder, right?
Title: Re: Gigantomakhia—new 6-part scifi miniseries by Miura
Post by: Zoddiscute on February 28, 2014, 01:10:33 PM
Hahahahahaha. Oh man, dude. You can see how your statements are gonna get torn asunder, right?

Yeah, I'm sorry I couldn't resist, some people are far to serious around here.
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Post by: TheBranded1 on February 28, 2014, 01:12:45 PM
I'm wondering if Miura wil do a colored page in the last issue?
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Post by: Aazealh on February 28, 2014, 03:36:26 PM
Yeah, I'm sorry I couldn't resist, some people are far to serious around here.

Good thing you're here to lighten up the mood. That's a real knee-slapper you pulled off.

I'm wondering if Miura wil do a colored page in the last issue?

Possibly, but if so I think it would have been announced. Maybe we'll get one as a preview of the Tankôbon's mini-posters, assuming there will be some. I hope the initial color page we saw will be the cover. Would be fitting.
Title: Re: Gigantomakhia—new 6-part scifi miniseries by Miura
Post by: Proj2501 on March 01, 2014, 12:14:18 AM
I'm guessing since it saw print in YA, it's not a stretch to assume it'll be printed as a single volume, right?
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Post by: Walter on March 01, 2014, 01:59:52 AM
I'm guessing since it saw print in YA, it's not a stretch to assume it'll be printed as a single volume, right?

No official word yet, but yeah, safe bet.
Title: Re: Gigantomakhia—new 6-part scifi miniseries by Miura
Post by: Mangetsu on March 01, 2014, 07:56:35 PM
I really enjoyed giganthomakia
i am happy that miura is doing an bonus episode, but i have a feeling that the next berserk movie will be announced soon
Maybe this was the reason for the long hiatus ?!
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Post by: Aazealh on March 01, 2014, 09:33:23 PM
I really enjoyed giganthomakia
i am happy that miura is doing an bonus episode, but i have a feeling that the next berserk movie will be announced soon
Maybe this was the reason for the long hiatus ?!

I'm pretty sure that Gigantomakhia was the reason for it, not work on another movie.
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Post by: Griffith on March 02, 2014, 07:50:41 AM
I'm pretty sure that Gigantomakhia was the reason for it, not work on another movie.

I don't know, we might be on to something here. Considering the quality of those movies, Miura might have wanted to distance his work from them as much as possible for a while (moreso than the movies themselves already did =); so, in the meantime, "author of Gigantomakhia" was like his witness protection identity and getaway. Now it all makes sense. Thankfully, I think the coast is just about clear.
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Post by: Mangetsu on March 02, 2014, 10:05:13 AM
Did miura ever talk about the time that he is investing in an episode ? i know that he is working 15-16 hours a day
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Post by: Aazealh on March 02, 2014, 10:18:11 AM
I don't know, we might be on to something here. Considering the quality of those movies, Miura might have wanted to distance his work from them as much as possible for a while (moreso than the movies themselves already did =); so, in the meantime, "author of Gigantomakhia" was like his witness protection identity and getaway. Now it all makes sense. Thankfully, I think the coast is just about clear.

I think what TheWillOfT meant was that Miura was busy working on the movie. :slan:

Did miura ever talk about the time that he is investing in an episode ? i know that he is working 15-16 hours a day

He has mentioned some details in passing over the years, but that doesn't amount to a clear rundown that could be applied to every episode, especially given the irregular schedule he has these days.
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Post by: Doc on March 09, 2014, 10:14:17 AM
'Twas interesting to see Miura working on another medium other than BERSERK. Whatever your thoughts on this series, Miura's artwork is always to be admired in and of itself, such as the kineticism of the fight scenes which I found particularly impressive. Overall, it wasn't my cup of tea, though, and I'm looking forward to him getting his magnum opus back on track.
Title: Re: Gigantomakhia—new 6-part scifi miniseries by Miura
Post by: Buy Berserk! on March 12, 2014, 01:04:39 PM
The epilogue.
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Post by: Aazealh on March 12, 2014, 06:43:20 PM
Neat, we get to see more of the world (of the Empire's campaign of conquest) and learn some more about Delos and Prome. Doesn't have quite the same weight to it than the last issue, but I guess that's to be expected given that it was a really late addition.
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Post by: jackson_hurley on March 12, 2014, 07:01:52 PM
Land merrows! Sweet! As usual awesome stuff by the master himself!
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Post by: Slime_Beherit on March 12, 2014, 07:18:53 PM
This episode only left me wanting more :T Where as I was totally satisfied with waiting (a decade or two) after the seeing the previous episode. Oh well, i guess i could just read Berserk...I guess.... I kid I kid. I'm ecstatic that Berserk is on it's way back, chomping at the bit if you will  (just saw the latest the Final Bosman episode, heh).
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Post by: Rhombaad on March 12, 2014, 07:47:37 PM
Nice! I can't wait to check it out when I get home from work. :serpico:
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Post by: Walter on March 12, 2014, 08:24:01 PM
Loved the wide variety of conceptual material we get here, and of course seeing more races from this world, and different types of giants. Clearly they are all constructed of Gaia's body (and I think that's what we see in this episode, actually), but have a different mantle for whatever reason. As always, I believe this episode will benefit greatly from a translation. As it stands, it does sort of stick out from the graceful conclusion of the 6 part story arc. Just from looking at it, it seems like another perhaps earlier chapter in Delos and Prome's lives. But if Miura chose to reopen that story, it makes you wonder why end it here?

Land merrows! Sweet! As usual awesome stuff by the master himself!
They're actually more like serpents, if you notice their tails on Page 01.
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Post by: jackson_hurley on March 12, 2014, 08:59:05 PM
They're actually more like serpents, if you notice their tails on Page 01.

Yeah I did notice. It just was the first thing that got to mind when I saw them. Especially the panel when we see more their shadows.  :slan:
Title: Re: Gigantomakhia—new 6-part scifi miniseries by Miura
Post by: ryOtoha on March 12, 2014, 10:31:19 PM
The character of Delos, the claw itself, the ferocious fight, all of that reminds me of Hercules' first labor (which was to slay the Nemean lion).

Quote from: ''wikipedia''
After slaying the lion, he tried to skin it with a knife from his belt, but failed. He then tried sharpening the knife with a stone and even tried with the stone itself. Finally, Athena, noticing the hero's plight, told Heracles to use one of the lion's own claws to skin the pelt

All the oceanic elements Miura put in this episode are really neat.
My favorite detail is easily the campfire build inside the giant seashell. I'm not surprised Prome choose this as a shelter but that's a really cool moment I think. Also, i found the eleventh page particularly amazing.
Title: Re: Gigantomakhia—new 6-part scifi miniseries by Miura
Post by: Walter on March 18, 2014, 02:00:32 PM
You guys can hear our impressions on the miniseries' epilogue in the newest SkullKast. (http://www.skullknight.net/forum/index.php?topic=14213)

To summarize the episode: It's likely set after the events of the 6-part miniseries, and picks up as the empire is pillaging the giant of another race of Mu, this time a female serpent tribe. Prome and Delos arrived too late, this time.

As they wander the land, Delos asks Prome what the world was like before, was it filled with life? She says at one point, there were as many lives as there are stars in the sky. But stars fell to earth, creating a superplume decimating life on the planet. Every 100 million years, the planet experiences a mass extinction like this, but organisms adapt and find new ways to survive. The flesh of Gaia helps nourish the planet, but it's being taken by the empire.

Prome says her purpose is to promote diversity of life, and to unify humanity with the rest of the world--returning things to symbiosis.

Delos remarks that when he first met Prome, she was taller, with  more features of a woman. And since their travels, she's regressed to childhood. It's a result of her nourishing Delos with her body's nectar, since their travels are so desolate and they rarely find food.

Suddenly, an evolved ancestor of the microscopic Tardigrade (commonly called the Water Bear)  (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tardigrade), stumbles onto their camp, and Delos assaults it for food, taking one of its legs. He passes out at the conclusion of the fight, and once again is brought back to health by Prome's nectar, further regressing her to childhood. She says she doesn't mind it.

Note: In this issue of Young Animal, Miura's comment was "では、本業に戻ります", loosely translated as: "Now... Back to the main business." (image) (http://skullknight.net/images/giganto-comment6.jpg)

With the conclusion of the series, there won't be any news in this thread for a while. But stay tuned for word of the volume edition, which has yet to be announced, but is likely to come later this year.
Title: Re: Gigantomakhia—new 6-part scifi miniseries by Miura
Post by: ryOtoha on March 18, 2014, 04:13:21 PM
Quote from: ''Walter''
Delos remarks that when he first met Prome, she was taller, with  more features of a woman. And since their travels, she's regressed to childhood. It's a result of her nourishing Delos with her body's nectar, since their travels are so desolate and they rarely find food.

I love this ! Amazing idea.

Thank you for this summary. This epilogue not only provide amazing details but also magnified this universe. I'm impressed. Can't wait for the volume edition.
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Post by: Heiji on June 14, 2014, 08:39:49 AM
Volume will be out july 29.
https://twitter.com/newsmangajapon/status/477747133093654528
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Post by: Aazealh on June 14, 2014, 09:18:41 AM
Volume will be out july 29.
https://twitter.com/newsmangajapon/status/477747133093654528

Nice!
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Post by: Mangetsu on June 14, 2014, 12:21:52 PM
Volume will be out july 29.
https://twitter.com/newsmangajapon/status/477747133093654528

Awesome, thanks !!

I hope that the German publisher for Berserk will publish it too!
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Post by: ryOtoha on June 14, 2014, 02:25:25 PM
Can't wait to see the cover art though. As we already said, this one would be great anyway.

(http://www.koi-nya.net/img/subidos_posts/2013/11/Gigant-Makia.jpg)
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Post by: Hitoshura on June 15, 2014, 04:42:53 AM
Scan of the announcement of the volume release.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bp7lbnGCYAACF29.jpg)
source: https://twitter.com/Mugiwara_23/status/477070874320064512/photo/1
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Post by: Heiji on June 18, 2014, 07:59:25 AM
(http://thumbnails110.imagebam.com/33384/1060a2333838696.jpg) (http://www.imagebam.com/image/1060a2333838696)
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Post by: Walter on June 18, 2014, 09:14:11 AM
(http://thumbnails110.imagebam.com/33384/1060a2333838696.jpg) (http://www.imagebam.com/image/1060a2333838696)

I am not a fan of that cover.
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Post by: RaffoBaffo on June 18, 2014, 09:47:53 AM
Same here.
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Post by: Dar Klink on June 18, 2014, 10:28:16 AM
That's... pretty wonky looking. I was really anticipating this cover too. :sad:
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Post by: Aazealh on June 18, 2014, 12:59:19 PM
Courageous choice to go with that angle but I don't think the final result is much of a success. The comparison to the original color illustration just above makes it all the more painful.
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Post by: ryOtoha on June 18, 2014, 01:43:04 PM
Cool artwork, poor cover. Let's say it could have been more subtle and enigmatic.
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Post by: Rhombaad on June 18, 2014, 01:51:11 PM
I don't mind it. I like the first image more, but I'm fine with this one. Besides, it's what's inside that counts. :serpico:

Looks like me and the fiancée will be stopping by Kinokuniya sometime in August.
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Post by: IncantatioN on June 18, 2014, 02:09:38 PM
Agree with everyone about the cover. I do feel the coloring on the original illustration is more subtle (eyes, skin tone) in comparison to this one. I like the placement of the title in the middle, wide across and the font color for it, looks regal.

Excited to read the series in a volume.
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Post by: Walter on June 18, 2014, 02:19:13 PM
I think it was quite brave to NOT put Goura on the cover. I've been pretty vocal about this on the podcasts, but I think Goura's design and the episodes that feature it are the standout pieces of Gigantomakhia. It's of course fitting that the cover features Prome and Delos, given their quest and their relationship, but that's not necessarily the most marketable aspect of the series.

Also there's something off about the colors here. Miura generally (always) paints his covers. This one doesn't look painted, or if it is, it's hard to tell given the resolution. I wonder if this is his colorization or someone else's?

I expect that other color image of Prome will end up as a poster. If so, wonder what the reverse side will be..?
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Post by: Aazealh on June 18, 2014, 02:29:47 PM
Also there's something off about the colors here. Miura generally (always) paints his covers. This one doesn't look painted, or if it is, it's hard to tell given the resolution. I wonder if this is his colorization or someone else's?

I'm pretty sure it's a painting, the colors are probably due to the image and not the work itself. If you'll remember, the preview of volume 35's cover had neon green tentacles on it, while the real deal was a lot more subdued. I don't expect any miracles, but the actual cover will probably be a bit more palatable.
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Post by: ryOtoha on June 18, 2014, 03:11:13 PM
I think it was quite brave to NOT put Goura on the cover. I've been pretty vocal about this on the podcasts, but I think Goura's design and the episodes that feature it are the standout pieces of Gigantomakhia.

Agreed. Putting Prome alone on the cover would have been ''riskier'', way more subtle but less attractive when putting Goura would have been obviously attractive but would partially ruin the exposure.
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Post by: Rhombaad on June 18, 2014, 03:27:19 PM
I expect that other color image of Prome will end up as a poster. If so, wonder what the reverse side will be..?

Goura. :guts:
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Post by: Grail on June 18, 2014, 03:29:11 PM
Damn, you know, this cover runs into a lot of the same problems as Berserk's volume 36. Dynamic angle, but Delos just doesn't resemble himself. I can see what Miura's attempting to do, but it seems to age his characters prematurely. Prome looks pretty cute, though.
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Post by: Mangetsu on June 18, 2014, 05:48:55 PM
btw this was posted on Young Animals Facebook page, 6 days ago



Quote
【ギガントマキア】
先日ご紹介した三浦建太郎先生直筆『ギガントマキア』の色紙ですが、黒木書店名島店さんのレジカウンター内に飾っていただいております。
お近くにお住まいの方は、ぜひお出かけください!(https://fbcdn-sphotos-b-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xpa1/t1.0-9/10455583_649764291780450_8566350044139573089_n.jpg)
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Post by: Maxwell on June 18, 2014, 06:49:14 PM
I actually quite like the cover. Prome looks more alien/android in this then the original. She also looks much older, maybe this is from the time when Delos first met her when she looked more like a woman? 

The only gripe i have is that Delos looks wayyy older but its a small nit-pick. I can't wait to get mine. :ubik:
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Post by: Johnny Apples on June 19, 2014, 04:58:54 AM
The way Delos is depicted on the tankobon cover art somehow reminds of the manner Guts was also  shown on the first volume cover of Berserk, which in of itself wasn't exactly the best of Berserk covers. You only see the head, and the cloak-covered shoulders. Nothing else. The rest of the body is absent altogether.

I expected the Gigantomakhia cover art to feature Delos and Prome. But I didn't think it would be something so drab and unimaginative. From Delos' goofy facial expression, to the overhead point of view of the two characters and the complete absence of background art... it's just wrong and is not contextually or stylistically representative of the great story contained within. In fact, if I was randomly shown that cover art without being told beforehand that it is Miura's work, I'd think that this must be some mediocre shonen manga by a no name author. I just refuse to believe that Miura himself would have come up with something so paltry looking  :sad:
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Post by: Grail on June 19, 2014, 06:42:36 AM
The way Delos is depicted on the tankobon cover art in a way reminds of the way Guts was on the first volume of Berserk, which in of itself wasn't exactly the best of Berserk covers. You only see the head, and the cloak-covered shoulders. Nothing else. The rest of the body is absent altogether.
Johnny Apples: 1 | Foreshortening: 0 :daiba:

I expected the Gigantomakhia cover art to feature Delos and Prome. But I didn't think it would be something so drab and unimaginative. From Delos' goofy facial expression, to the overhead point of view of the two characters and the complete absence of background art... it's just wrong and is not contextually or stylistically representative of the great story contained within. In fact, if I was randomly shown that cover art without being told beforehand that it is Miura's work, I'd think that this must be some mediocre shonen manga by a no name author. I just refuse to believe that Miura himself would have come up with something so paltry looking  :sad:
Ouch! To be fair, I think Miura still exercises his trademark skill in this cover, which might not be as obvious right now due to the lower resolution. The details in Prome's face, for example, are very delicate. I think that he was trying to do something different and it backfired a bit. It's too bad that it didn't work out, but I do like that he continues to experiment with the limits of his skill as an artist. I think that's a good sign. :griffnotevil:
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Post by: Aazealh on June 19, 2014, 01:32:25 PM
Ouch! To be fair, I think Miura still exercises his trademark skill in this cover, which might not be as obvious right now due to the lower resolution. The details in Prome's face, for example, are very delicate. I think that he was trying to do something different and it backfired a bit. It's too bad that it didn't work out, but I do like that he continues to experiment with the limits of his skill as an artist. I think that's a good sign.

Yes, Miura's always been rather experimental with his covers, trying out different styles and such. And he often goes out of his comfort zone in general, especially when it comes to angles and perspective. I think Johnny Apples' criticism is overly harsh here and doesn't take the difficulty of that angle in consideration. Not that it excuses everything of course.

P.S. I like volume 1's cover. :iva:
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Post by: Johnny Apples on June 20, 2014, 02:25:30 AM
Ahahaha, well, not to say that I'm completely hating on the Gigantomakhia's cover art.

(http://thumbnails110.imagebam.com/33384/1060a2333838696.jpg)

 On a positive side, at least the font size and the coloring scheme of the title's katakana rendition looks very good, and has an aura of classic old school action manga to it. That counts, right?  :ganishka: 
And I admit, it's a pretty neat visual angle trick, making both main characters on the cover appear as if they are looking up and ahead, all at the same time. If you were to ignore the rest of their bodies and just look at their heads, you might think that they're standing in front of you, rather than below you.
Plus, Prome is still cute as a button and her crystal-blue eyes are as mesmerizing as ever  :guts:
But Delos? On that cover, the poor guy's face hardly resembles how he originally looked in the manga. He appears much more cartoonish, and far less three dimensional here than he is in the manga. His head is very round and looks smaller than it's supposed to be, and combined with the weird facial expression and the way his eyes and facial features are shaped and sized, ironically enough, he's the one who ends up appearing more child-like. Again, this  doesn't look like Miura's work as we know and have come to expect of him.  Here, it's as if Delos has just been drawn by one of those Studio Gaga assistants guys, who are normally relegated to doing the backgrounds, and got no business whatsoever drawing anything forefront and center-stage.   
And I think this is what bothers me and many others about this particular cover. Miura, having mastered throughout his career all the ins and outs of his craft, he knows how to draw anything and everything, from video game covers to postcards. He could have easily come up with something far better than this, something exciting looking, a cover that is fluid, kinetic and maybe depicting intense fighting action. Like some of the Berserk tankobon covers from the past 10-15 years, for example. The Gigantomakhia appears not so much an "experimentation gone wrong" as it is an example of messing with the reliable (and decades-long perfected) formula that works. Even that inscribed Gigantomakhia art page below on the left, had Miura colored it, would have made for a better looking tankobon cover. 

(https://fbcdn-sphotos-b-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xpa1/t1.0-9/10455583_649764291780450_8566350044139573089_n.jpg)
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Post by: Aazealh on June 20, 2014, 04:20:25 AM
But Delos? On that cover, the poor guy's face hardly resembles how he originally looked in the manga. He appears much more cartoonish, and far less three dimensional here than he is in the manga. His head is very round and looks smaller than it's supposed to be, and combined with the weird facial expression and the way his eyes and facial features are shaped and sized, ironically enough, he's the one who ends up appearing more child-like.

I completely disagree with what you're saying. If anything, Delos appears to be older on the cover than he does in the manga, and the style of the cover goes for a somewhat more "realistic" style too, or at least not a more cartoonish one.

And I think this is what bothers me and many others about this particular cover.

I don't believe you speak for anyone but yourself here.

Miura, having mastered throughout his career all the ins and outs of his craft, he knows how to draw anything and everything, from video game covers to postcards. He could have easily come up with something far better than this

Miura's done some less-than-perfect covers before, and as Grail mentioned this one is actually reminiscent of volume 36's. Stop making wild assumptions when you clearly have nothing to back up what you're saying. "Decades-long formula" for Berserk covers? There's no such thing.
Title: Re: Gigantomakhia—new 6-part scifi miniseries by Miura
Post by: Mangetsu on July 28, 2014, 02:29:59 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wu7m0z5vLCo
official Trailer of Gigantomakhia

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Post by: jackson_hurley on July 28, 2014, 03:12:14 AM
nice one! thank you.  :guts:
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Post by: IncantatioN on July 28, 2014, 03:28:50 AM
Young Animal's Facebook page showed the cover in a slightly different color - seen here (https://scontent-a-lga.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xaf1/t1.0-9/10561721_674796622610550_9173504448199515240_n.jpg).
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Post by: TheBranded1 on July 28, 2014, 04:34:18 AM


That color picture sure makes Prome look even more android-like.
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Post by: Maxwell on July 28, 2014, 05:49:45 AM
That Gigantomakhia trailer reminds me of some kind of Berserk alternative rock AMV. :magni:

Young Animal's Facebook page showed the cover in a slightly different color.

Hmm, is it some kind of special edition of the cover? I dont mind the green on the eyes and logo but the hair and dress seems a little too much unless its suppose to look different in person. Glow in the dark maybe? Having the logo and Prome's android-like eyes glowing in the dark staring at you, that'd be pretty neat. :isidro:
Title: Re: Gigantomakhia—new 6-part scifi miniseries by Miura
Post by: Walter on July 28, 2014, 11:45:31 AM
Once again they refrain from showing off Goura. That's so insanely ballsy.
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Post by: Tama on July 30, 2014, 07:54:18 PM
Interesting choice for the cover, also not a huge fan of it, but it's not terrible. I wonder if it will be licensed by Dark Horse and released here in the states.
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Post by: jackson_hurley on July 30, 2014, 08:21:32 PM
Interesting choice for the cover, also not a huge fan of it, but it's not terrible. I wonder if it will be licensed by Dark Horse and released here in the states.

probably... they did after all released japan and Wolfe something that I can't remember. i would not be surprised if they did. I would not be surprised if they did not either.
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Post by: Walter on August 08, 2014, 12:32:05 AM
Just a reminder that the digital volume of Gigantomakhia is available for about $6 on Hakusensha-e.net (http://www.hakusensha-e.net/vtop?id=3191).

If you need help going through the credentialing and payment process, Aaz created a handy guide here: http://www.skullknight.net/forum/index.php?topic=14329.0

Also nice to know that even through the year-long hiatus, Studio Gaga retained the same staff members:

(http://skullknight.net/images/giganto-staff.jpg)
Title: Re: Gigantomakhia—new 6-part scifi miniseries by Miura
Post by: Tabris on August 09, 2014, 04:12:22 PM
Out of curiosity, has anyone received the actual manga yet? Anything different about it? Or is it exactly the same as it was published in Young Animal?

First post woo. After a very long time of lurking hah
Title: Re: Gigantomakhia—new 6-part scifi miniseries by Miura
Post by: Walter on August 11, 2014, 01:34:41 AM
Out of curiosity, has anyone received the actual manga yet? Anything different about it? Or is it exactly the same as it was published in Young Animal?

First post woo. After a very long time of lurking hah

I only have the digital edition so far. Nothing changed that I noticed. Looks really sharp though!
Title: Re: Gigantomakhia—new 6-part scifi miniseries by Miura
Post by: Nildin on November 19, 2014, 11:47:24 AM
Good news for everyone who knows German as Panini Germany announced their new spring 2015 schedule and they are planning to release Gigantomakhia in March 2015. :)

source (https://www.paninicomics.de/forum/index.php?page=Thread&threadID=25564)
source2 (http://www.comic-report.de/index.php/verlage/panini/830-panini-programmvorschau-2015-1)
Title: Re: Gigantomakhia—new 6-part scifi miniseries by Miura
Post by: Aazealh on November 19, 2014, 12:32:35 PM
Good news for everyone who knows German as Panini Germany announced their new spring 2015 schedule and they are planning to release Gigantomakhia in March 2015. :)

source (https://www.paninicomics.de/forum/index.php?page=Thread&threadID=25564)
source2 (http://www.comic-report.de/index.php/verlage/panini/830-panini-programmvorschau-2015-1)

Wow, that is indeed great news! Way to go Panini!
Title: Re: Gigantomakhia—new 6-part scifi miniseries by Miura
Post by: Walter on November 19, 2014, 03:00:39 PM
That's great!

I haven't actually checked to see if Dark Horse has said anything about Gigantomakhia in a while. Turns out nope, nothing...  :sad:
Title: Re: Gigantomakhia—new 6-part scifi miniseries by Miura
Post by: Mangetsu on November 19, 2014, 03:42:45 PM
Good news for everyone who knows German as Panini Germany announced their new spring 2015 schedule and they are planning to release Gigantomakhia in March 2015. :)

source (https://www.paninicomics.de/forum/index.php?page=Thread&threadID=25564)
source2 (http://www.comic-report.de/index.php/verlage/panini/830-panini-programmvorschau-2015-1)

Amazing news. I will definetely buy it
Title: Re: Gigantomakhia—new 6-part scifi miniseries by Miura
Post by: RaffoBaffo on November 19, 2014, 04:44:53 PM
Good news for everyone who knows German as Panini Germany announced their new spring 2015 schedule and they are planning to release Gigantomakhia in March 2015. :)

source (https://www.paninicomics.de/forum/index.php?page=Thread&threadID=25564)
source2 (http://www.comic-report.de/index.php/verlage/panini/830-panini-programmvorschau-2015-1)

Same thing for Italy.

Panini Comics, May 2015:
http://www.paninicomics.it/web/guest/news?id=87399

Two different Edition:
Standard Edition (€5,00)
Deluxe Edition (€7,50)

[I will buy both  :rakshas:]
Title: Re: Gigantomakhia—new 6-part scifi miniseries by Miura
Post by: Beherit. on November 20, 2014, 02:20:44 AM
Woohoo!  :ubik: Great that it is coming out in other languages and a good sign it might come out in English!

That's great!

I haven't actually checked to see if Dark Horse has said anything about Gigantomakhia in a while. Turns out nope, nothing...  :sad:

  :puck:
Title: Re: Gigantomakhia—new 6-part scifi miniseries by Miura
Post by: Rhombaad on November 20, 2014, 05:27:07 PM
I haven't actually checked to see if Dark Horse has said anything about Gigantomakhia in a while. Turns out nope, nothing...  :sad:

Is there a chance another company could pick up the licensing? (I hope so.)
Title: Re: Gigantomakhia—new 6-part scifi miniseries by Miura
Post by: Walter on November 20, 2014, 06:19:29 PM
Is there a chance another company could pick up the licensing? (I hope so.)

I don't know enough about the Japanese publishing world to say this with any authority, but because both titles come from Hakusensha, and they have a previous working relationship with Dark Horse, it's possible that DH has first dibs on it. In addition to that, the marketing for the book would probably  reference Berserk (all of Japan's marketing did, anyway...), and that might be awkward if it weren't DH doing that promotion. So, hopefully the opportunity doesn't just end up inside a desk drawer somewhere in DH lala land... Hope Viz gets a shot at it...  :azan:

BTW: Through  my searching, I discovered that DH recently shut down their message boards (https://digital.darkhorse.com/boards/), which included dumping their entire archive of posts. Stay classy, guys!
Title: Re: Gigantomakhia—new 6-part scifi miniseries by Miura
Post by: Constantly_Shaved on November 20, 2014, 07:09:03 PM
Thanks for the Update on the German Version! :D

I´ll have a "Pre-Order to go" please. ^^
Title: Re: Gigantomakhia—new 6-part scifi miniseries by Miura
Post by: Rhombaad on November 21, 2014, 10:37:32 PM
I don't know enough about the Japanese publishing world to say this with any authority, but because both titles come from Hakusensha, and they have a previous working relationship with Dark Horse, it's possible that DH has first dibs on it. In addition to that, the marketing for the book would probably  reference Berserk (all of Japan's marketing did, anyway...), and that might be awkward if it weren't DH doing that promotion. So, hopefully the opportunity doesn't just end up inside a desk drawer somewhere in DH lala land... Hope Viz gets a shot at it...  :azan:

Interesting. Well, I'll keep hoping Viz gets a shot at it. Regardless, I'm asking for the Japanese volume for Christmas, and eagerly awaiting Puella's translation. :serpico:
Title: Re: Gigantomakhia—new 6-part scifi miniseries by Miura
Post by: puella on November 21, 2014, 11:43:47 PM
Interesting. Well, I'll keep hoping Viz gets a shot at it. Regardless, I'm asking for the Japanese volume for Christmas, and eagerly awaiting Puella's translation. :serpico:

Thank you. I want to work on it, not just for others but for myself as well! My dream though is to work only for Berserk. For example, I have a dream plan of translating all of the Berserk volumes. It's kind of a project for the next generation because I'm sure Berserk will be read for a long time. But this work would take me an enormous amount of time, maybe more than 10 years if I were to just do it on the side.

The second option is to make a list to correct all of the mistranslations in DH volumes and to insert missing lines (i.e. Puck's air talk!). But that might take almost as much time as a retranslation anyway. :iva: In Korea and Japan, many manga fans make these kinds of "correcting lists".
Title: Re: Gigantomakhia—new 6-part scifi miniseries by Miura
Post by: Rhombaad on November 26, 2014, 04:59:17 PM
Thank you. I want to work on it, not just for others but for myself as well!

You're welcome. :serpico:

My dream though is to work only for Berserk. For example, I have a dream plan of translating all of the Berserk volumes. It's kind of a project for the next generation because I'm sure Berserk will be read for a long time. But this work would take me an enormous amount of time, maybe more than 10 years if I were to just do it on the side.

I want to do the same thing, but I'm so far behind in my Japanese, I think you'll beat me to it. I would love to have accurate translations for the whole series. One day, when I'm way more fluent in Japanese than I am now, maybe you and I can meet half-way on it.

The second option is to make a list to correct all of the mistranslations in DH volumes and to insert missing lines (i.e. Puck's air talk!). But that might take almost as much time as a retranslation anyway. :iva: In Korea and Japan, many manga fans make these kinds of "correcting lists".

That's a great idea. I've never heard of such a thing before. :serpico:
Title: Re: Gigantomakhia—new 6-part scifi miniseries by Miura
Post by: Nildin on February 26, 2015, 01:33:28 PM
Pre-Order is now available at Panini Germany (release 10.03.15)

https://www.paninicomics.de/gigantomachie-i12075.html

It also says that there will be a limited Edition available at Leipzig Book Fair (Takes place 12. - 15.03.15)
Title: Re: Gigantomakhia—new 6-part scifi miniseries by Miura
Post by: Walter on February 26, 2015, 01:46:19 PM

It also says that there will be a limited Edition available at Leipzig Book Fair (Takes place 12. - 15.03.15)

Great news for Germany and Italy. I wonder what will be different about the limited edition...?
Title: Re: Gigantomakhia—new 6-part scifi miniseries by Miura
Post by: Nildin on February 26, 2015, 01:53:15 PM
Yeah I also wonder whats that about. But there are no details. I might be at Leipzig Book Fair, so I might get a hand on it and will let you know ;D
Title: Re: Gigantomakhia—new 6-part scifi miniseries by Miura
Post by: Kaladin on February 26, 2015, 04:07:42 PM
very nice, also, not sure it was mentioned but french publisher Glénat is planning on releasing it too, they have confirmed it

http://www.glenatmanga.com/forum/gigantomakhia-563_11316_1.html
Title: Re: Gigantomakhia—new 6-part scifi miniseries by Miura
Post by: Kaladin on March 20, 2015, 06:16:07 AM
Final cover for the german edition. looks pretty good

(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51hxr46qQBL.jpg) (http://i60.tinypic.com/23hqe4j.jpg)
Title: Re: Gigantomakhia—new 6-part scifi miniseries by Miura
Post by: Bender on March 21, 2015, 05:04:01 PM
Final cover for the german edition. looks pretty good

(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51hxr46qQBL.jpg) (http://i60.tinypic.com/23hqe4j.jpg)

Not a fan of the font and the way they put it in a box, but still cool that it is starting to show up translated into different languages.
Title: Re: Gigantomakhia—new 6-part scifi miniseries by Miura
Post by: RaffoBaffo on May 07, 2015, 05:08:01 PM
Italian Edition [Normal and Deluxe]

(http://i.imgur.com/xc16zLf.jpg)
Title: Re: Gigantomakhia—new 6-part scifi miniseries by Miura
Post by: Walter on May 07, 2015, 05:49:52 PM
Nice! Is there a poster insert or inside dust-jacket image?
Title: Re: Gigantomakhia—new 6-part scifi miniseries by Miura
Post by: IncantatioN on May 07, 2015, 06:01:14 PM
Whoa, I'd love to own that deluxe version. Thanks for sharing Raffo!
Title: Re: Gigantomakhia—new 6-part scifi miniseries by Miura
Post by: RaffoBaffo on May 07, 2015, 06:51:19 PM
Nice! Is there a poster insert or inside dust-jacket image?
Neither of the two, sadly.
Title: Re: Gigantomakhia—new 6-part scifi miniseries by Miura
Post by: Walter on May 07, 2015, 07:15:58 PM
Neither of the two, sadly.

Oh well. You guys got a BIG edition, and that's pretty damned cool.  :isidro:
Title: Re: Gigantomakhia—new 6-part scifi miniseries by Miura
Post by: jackson_hurley on May 07, 2015, 07:53:06 PM
Oh well. You guys got a BIG edition, and that's pretty damned cool.  :isidro:

Still waiting for dark horse to do something about that. Scared of the translation though and like it's been mentioned, I'd really like Viz to steal that one for the English version! (even though the chances are slim since DH have pretty much released everything by Miura, of course except his old work)
Title: Re: Gigantomakhia—new 6-part scifi miniseries by Miura
Post by: Walter on May 07, 2015, 07:57:21 PM
Still waiting for dark horse to do something about that. Scared of the translation though and like it's been mentioned, I'd really like Viz to steal that one for the English version! (even though the chances are slim since DH have pretty much released everything by Miura, of course except his old work)

I'm not sure Dark Horse would necessarily get exclusive rights to it. It'd be a separate license from Berserk. Maybe DH would get first dibs or something.

Also, Dark Horse did release his older stuff (Japan (https://www.darkhorse.com/Books/10-701/Japan-TPB) & King of Wolves (https://www.darkhorse.com/Books/10-700/King-of-Wolves-TPB), at least).
Title: Re: Gigantomakhia—new 6-part scifi miniseries by Miura
Post by: jackson_hurley on May 08, 2015, 02:52:41 PM
I'm not sure Dark Horse would necessarily get exclusive rights to it. It'd be a separate license from Berserk. Maybe DH would get first dibs or something.

Also, Dark Horse did release his older stuff (Japan (https://www.darkhorse.com/Books/10-701/Japan-TPB) & King of Wolves (https://www.darkhorse.com/Books/10-700/King-of-Wolves-TPB), at least).

Yeah I knew about king of wolves and japan. I have king of wolves at home. (wanted to have his artwork). I'd just prefer to have a good translation for that one even though I don't make the difference between a good and a bad translation (relating on you guys to notice the difference  :serpico: )
Title: Re: Gigantomakhia—new 6-part scifi miniseries by Miura
Post by: Hitoshura on May 17, 2015, 01:16:18 AM
Dark Horse finally revealed at their panel at Anime Central that they licensed it and it'll be released in February 2016.
http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2015-05-16/dark-horse-adds-giganto-maxia-rg-veda-danganronpa-i-am-a-hero-manga/.88232
Title: Re: Re: Gigantomakhia—new 6-part scifi miniseries by Miura
Post by: Nildin on May 17, 2015, 07:06:28 AM
BTW the German special edition I bought at Leipzig trade fair is the same as the normal edition but comes with hardcover.
Title: Re: Gigantomakhia—new 6-part scifi miniseries by Miura
Post by: puppet12ca on August 20, 2015, 02:40:40 PM
chapters has it up on their site for release on February 23rd 2016

https://www.chapters.indigo.ca/en-ca/books/giganto-maxia/9781616559472-item.html?ikwsec=Home&ikwidx=0
Title: Re: Gigantomakhia—new 6-part scifi miniseries by Miura
Post by: Mangetsu on January 15, 2016, 07:49:09 PM
Just got my Volume this week! It took me some time to get, but im glad that i finally get to own this series. The more i go through the more the story and art grows on me.


By the way the Cover also looks much better on the actual Volume, especially prome is painted very nicely.
Title: Re: Gigantomakhia—new 6-part scifi miniseries by Miura
Post by: Aazealh on January 15, 2016, 07:57:22 PM
By the way the Cover also looks much better on the actual Volume, especially prome is painted very nicely.

I know right? Seeing it on screen really doesn't do it justice.
Title: Re: Gigantomakhia—new 6-part scifi miniseries by Miura
Post by: Rupert Sinclair on February 23, 2016, 03:21:55 PM
Anyone get the Dark Horse release yet?  The binding itself has a nice quality to it.  They may have put more effort into this as it is a single release.  There are some... weird choices they went with in the translation, typical Dark Horse shenanigans. :schierke:  It's great to be able to sit down and read this in English though, this really is a great little story Miura created.
Title: Re: Gigantomakhia—new 6-part scifi miniseries by Miura
Post by: Walter on February 23, 2016, 03:51:46 PM
Mine still hasn't shipped... I preordered it more than a month ago. Amazon must be having issues with stocking it.

What kind of translation issues?
Title: Re: Gigantomakhia—new 6-part scifi miniseries by Miura
Post by: Rupert Sinclair on February 23, 2016, 05:36:36 PM
Mine still hasn't shipped... I preordered it more than a month ago. Amazon must be having issues with stocking it.

What kind of translation issues?

Unfortunately it seems it won't be released through Amazon until March 8th, I ordered mine off of TFAW. 

I don't have my copy on hand, but off the top of my head: the giants are referred to as giganto, there's a term on the very first page that seems to have been left untranslated with a note saying *monsters, and a lot of Prome's dialogue is questionable.  Nothing that really ruins it completely; it's consistent with the quality of the translation for Berserk.  It's probably also worth noting that it is a different translator.
Title: Re: Gigantomakhia—new 6-part scifi miniseries by Miura
Post by: Walter on February 23, 2016, 06:06:00 PM
Unfortunately it seems it won't be released through Amazon until March 8th, I ordered mine off of TFAW. 

I don't have my copy on hand, but off the top of my head: the giants are referred to as giganto, there's a term on the very first page that seems to have been left untranslated with a note saying *monsters, and a lot of Prome's dialogue is questionable.  Nothing that really ruins it completely; it's consistent with the quality of the translation for Berserk.  It's probably also worth noting that it is a different translator.
Nice. Thanks for looking into it. Giganto?! Wtf... As for the "monsters" thing, I'll check when mine ships, but I think that term might have been in the Young Animal release, but removed from volume, as tends to happen with text on the first few pages of releases.

The bit about Prome's dialogue has me worried though... There's an opportunity to make her sound unique based on her style of speech (think Data), but also a potential to make it go OVERBOARD. Which would be too bad, since she's a great character.
Title: Re: Gigantomakhia—new 6-part scifi miniseries by Miura
Post by: MiyamotoPuck on February 23, 2016, 07:29:38 PM
Giganto?! Wtf...

In Greek mythology "Gigantomachia" is the war between the Giants and the Olympian Gods, these giants were also called "gigantes", although I don't speak a word of Greek maybe "giganto" could be the singular/plural of "gigantes" ?
In this case it would make sense.
Title: Re: Gigantomakhia—new 6-part scifi miniseries by Miura
Post by: Walter on February 23, 2016, 07:39:43 PM
In Greek mythology "Gigantomachia" is the war between the Giants and the Olympian Gods, these giants were also called "gigantes", although I don't speak a word of Greek maybe "giganto" could be the singular/plural of "gigantes" ?
In this case it would make sense.

Sure, but as I recall, they weren't called that way in Japanese.
Title: Re: Gigantomakhia—new 6-part scifi miniseries by Miura
Post by: RaffoBaffo on February 23, 2016, 09:12:07 PM
In Greek mythology "Gigantomachia" is the war between the Giants and the Olympian Gods, these giants were also called "gigantes", although I don't speak a word of Greek maybe "giganto" could be the singular/plural of "gigantes" ?
In this case it would make sense.
Nope, the singular is "Gigas", the pluras "Gigantes", if I recall correctly.
Title: Re: Gigantomakhia—new 6-part scifi miniseries by Miura
Post by: Delta Phi on February 24, 2016, 01:46:46 AM
I've had my volume for about a week and haven't cracked it yet
Title: Re: Gigantomakhia—new 6-part scifi miniseries by Miura
Post by: MiyamotoPuck on February 24, 2016, 08:18:13 AM
Sure, but as I recall, they weren't called that way in Japanese.

Oh right sorry, I didn't check, I understand then.

Nope, the singular is "Gigas", the pluras "Gigantes", if I recall correctly.

Looks like I was wrong, thanks RaffoBaffo. :)
Title: Re: Gigantomakhia—new 6-part scifi miniseries by Miura
Post by: Aazealh on February 25, 2016, 06:04:41 PM
I don't have my copy on hand, but off the top of my head: the giants are referred to as giganto, there's a term on the very first page that seems to have been left untranslated with a note saying *monsters, and a lot of Prome's dialogue is questionable.  Nothing that really ruins it completely; it's consistent with the quality of the translation for Berserk.  It's probably also worth noting that it is a different translator.

They never fail to fail, it seems.
Title: Re: Gigantomakhia—new 6-part scifi miniseries by Miura
Post by: Rupert Sinclair on February 27, 2016, 12:25:17 AM
As for the "monsters" thing, I'll check when mine ships

The whole line:  "Far in the future...  Beyond the end of history...  ...Myths are resurrected.  They are... Terata. *monsters   They are... GIGANTO."
Title: Re: Gigantomakhia—new 6-part scifi miniseries by Miura
Post by: Walter on February 27, 2016, 02:29:16 AM
Well, they're just making stuff up, it seems.
Title: Re: Gigantomakhia—new 6-part scifi miniseries by Miura
Post by: Nildin on February 27, 2016, 09:52:40 AM
No Terata in the German translation ^^

"In einer... ...fernen Zukunft... ...bevor das... ...Ende naht... ...kehrt der... ...Mythos zurück... ...gemeint sind die Monster... gemeint sind... ...die Giganten."
Title: Re: Gigantomakhia—new 6-part scifi miniseries by Miura
Post by: Aazealh on February 27, 2016, 11:23:16 AM
The whole line:  "Far in the future...  Beyond the end of history...  ...Myths are resurrected.  They are... Terata. *monsters   They are... GIGANTO."

I can confirm that in the Japanese volume, there's only the kanji for "monster" in that line. And then the kanji for "giant". Nothing was changed from the prepublication.

Also, the only use of "terata" I can think of is as the plural of "teras", a word used in the medical field to refer to severely malformed fetuses. I imagine the translator thought he or she was being clever by using a special word, but why take such liberties? Your job is to faithfully convey the original meaning from a language to another, not make shit up. It's really quite disappointing, and I daren't think of what they did to the rest of the text.
Title: Re: Gigantomakhia—new 6-part scifi miniseries by Miura
Post by: Joe Chip on February 27, 2016, 03:54:50 PM
We actually use the word "teras" in every day life. It's a literal translation to the word Monster. I don't know why they did change it since its simply called Monster in the Japanese translation
Title: Re: Gigantomakhia—new 6-part scifi miniseries by Miura
Post by: Aazealh on February 27, 2016, 06:39:39 PM
We actually use the word "teras" in every day life. It's a literal translation to the word Monster. I don't know why they did change it since its simply called Monster in the Japanese translation

Oh, I see. Indeed, why tamper with the author's intent like that? He already included all the references to Greek mythology that he wanted to. Adding random Greek words on top of that, like they're doing, just comes across as a pointless gimmick. :miura:
Title: Re: Gigantomakhia—new 6-part scifi miniseries by Miura
Post by: Mangetsu on August 04, 2016, 02:14:30 PM
Although late, im pretty sure by now that also this Cover of the Gigantomakhia Volume was digitally colored. I think it's nice to know around what time Miura started to color digitally.
Title: Re: Gigantomakhia—new 6-part scifi miniseries by Miura
Post by: Aazealh on August 04, 2016, 05:09:47 PM
Although late, im pretty sure by now that also this Cover of the Gigantomakhia Volume was digitally colored.

Yes, there is no doubt that it's digital when looked up close.