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Title: Episode 336
Post by: Heiji on July 21, 2014, 07:37:35 AM
Title: 万魔殿 - Pandemonium




Episode 336 will be published in Young Animal #16 (08/08).
Title: Re: Episode 336
Post by: Constantly_Shaved on July 21, 2014, 10:17:21 AM
Thank you :) !

btw:  Do you see that on the YA webpage? The one I check only lets you see the preview for the next magazine (#15 07/25). c:
Title: Re: Episode 336
Post by: Walter on July 21, 2014, 10:25:50 AM
Fantastic news! Just so you know LOicos, since you started the thread, I'll be adding to your post once we get an episode title and any other information.

Thank you :) !

btw:  Do you see that on the YA webpage? The one I check only lets you see the preview for the next magazine (#15 07/25). c:

He has his ways, and he's always been on the money. I like to pretend he's a manga industry spy  :guts:
Title: Re: Episode 336
Post by: Mangetsu on July 21, 2014, 11:08:35 AM
yesssss !!!
Title: Re: Episode 336
Post by: Tama on July 21, 2014, 02:02:38 PM
Great news, can't wait!
Title: Re: Episode 336
Post by: Rhombaad on July 21, 2014, 02:47:31 PM
Nice! :ubik: Thanks for letting us know, LOicos.
Title: Re: Episode 336
Post by: IncantatioN on July 21, 2014, 03:11:29 PM
Sweet, thanks for the info LOicos!
Title: Re: Episode 336
Post by: Walter on July 21, 2014, 04:15:17 PM
It's kind of a long shot still, but I wouldn't be surprised if we got a color page for this episode. As I pointed out a few months back, one of the images Miura used for his comments gave us a small glimpse at a new painting he'd done of Griffth.

Here's the image of the comment which had a surprise color image of Griffith in it. Quality is bad because it's printed small and not in color. But this could be from an upcoming color page in the next episode perhaps.

(http://skullknight.net/images/miura-comment YA082014.jpg)

So stern. Makes me even more excited about his meeting with Rickert.  :magni:

Or maybe it'll just sit in Miura's growing pile of unpublished, uncollected paintings; while unbeknownst to him, fans cry out in unison for another artbook(s).  :judo:
Title: Re: Episode 336
Post by: Julalien on July 21, 2014, 05:32:39 PM
That is fabulous news! It will be great to see what happens next.
Title: Re: Episode 336
Post by: Constantly_Shaved on July 21, 2014, 09:16:16 PM
It's kind of a long shot still, but I wouldn't be surprised if we got a color page for this episode. As I pointed out a few months back, one of the images Miura used for his comments gave us a small glimpse at a new painting he'd done of Griffth.

Or maybe it'll just sit in Miura's growing pile of unpublished, uncollected paintings; while unbeknownst to him, fans cry out in unison for another artbook(s).  :judo:

Oh my god ...hand ! I didnt know about this  :schnoz:
I just want a color page of Griffith in his throne room on a balcony , and behind him the helix/world tree in all itīs glory !

btw; anyone thinking Rickert (c-c) will want to join the new hawks? I dont think he will resent Griffith , even though he was so mad at him. Griffith will talk about how "the world is a better place now , (even though I kind of damned the other 6 other billion people on this planet lulz.) " and Rickert will argue but in the end he will say "...I see." and walk away.
Title: Re: Episode 336
Post by: TerrorA on July 21, 2014, 11:15:59 PM
Oh my god ...hand ! I didnt know about this  :schnoz:
I just want a color page of Griffith in his throne room on a balcony , and behind him the helix/world tree in all itīs glory !

btw; anyone thinking Griffith will want to join the new hawks? I dont think he will resent Griffith , even though he was so mad at him. Griffith will talk about how "the world is a better place now , (even though I kind of damned the other 6 other billion people on this planet lulz.) " and Rickert will argue but in the end he will say "...I see." and walk away.

I'm hoping for a vicious "The reason you suck" speech from Rickert that Griffith.....will most likely ignore, but still make the fans go HELL YEAH for the kid
Title: Re: Episode 336
Post by: Delta Phi on July 21, 2014, 11:50:34 PM
He has his ways, and he's always been on the money. I like to pretend he's a manga industry spy  :guts:

He certainly maintains a certain air of mystery.

Very awesome news though! I can't wait!
Title: Re: Episode 336
Post by: Rhombaad on July 22, 2014, 02:25:35 PM
Honestly, I have no idea what to expect of this conversation. I'm sure the invitation Griffith made on the Hill of Swords will come up, but other than that, I'm not sure what to expect. I'm really looking forward to whatever Miura has in store for us.
Title: Re: Episode 336
Post by: Walter on July 22, 2014, 03:23:16 PM
btw; anyone thinking Griffith will want to join the new hawks?

Rickert?

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I dont think he will resent Griffith , even though he was so mad at him. Griffith will talk about how "the world is a better place now , (even though I kind of damned the other 6 other billion people on this planet lulz.) " and Rickert will argue but in the end he will say "...I see." and walk away.

So basically restating the facts and then carrying forward as usual? I have to imagine this big meeting will result in something a little more than that. Also, I think "so mad at him" is a mischaracterization of Rickert's feelings for Griffith. He had a single panel of anger/frustration, but he got over it pretty quick. If anything, he has mixed emotions about his former leader. He's apprehensive, nervous even, about this meeting. But I don't see any anger in him.

Honestly, I have no idea what to expect of this conversation. I'm sure the invitation Griffith made on the Hill of Swords will come up, but other than that, I'm not sure what to expect. I'm really looking forward to whatever Miura has in store for us.

I've intentionally tried not to speculate too much about it, and am also super excited about what it will be like. I only hope their conversation is more than a brief, passing affair, and they get some alone face time.
Title: Re: Episode 336
Post by: Rhombaad on July 22, 2014, 07:16:35 PM
I only hope their conversation is more than a brief, passing affair, and they get some alone face time.

That's funny; I never considered that their conversation might take place in front of others, but I suppose that's a significant possibility. Even if they do speak in front of Sonia, Charlotte, etc., it may not be in passing. If Griffith presents Rickert with an offer to join the Falcons, it might be a little tough to turn down with everyone staring at him, wondering why he'd refuse such a thing.
Title: Re: Episode 336
Post by: Mangetsu on July 23, 2014, 06:02:31 AM
(http://cdn03.animenewsnetwork.com/thumbnails/max300x600/cms/news/76901/image-copy-13i.jpg)

http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2014-07-21/berserk-manga-returns-in-august-after-2-month-hiatus/.76901

just the article of ANW
Title: Re: Episode 336
Post by: Skeleton on July 23, 2014, 07:11:12 AM
That's great news! I can't wait. The wonderful podcasts you all put out makes me hunger for new Berserk.  I was starting to get withdrawal shakes.
Title: Re: Episode 336
Post by: Walter on July 23, 2014, 09:53:49 AM
(http://cdn03.animenewsnetwork.com/thumbnails/max300x600/cms/news/76901/image-copy-13i.jpg)

http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2014-07-21/berserk-manga-returns-in-august-after-2-month-hiatus/.76901

just the article of ANW

Which is riddled with inaccuracies...
Title: Re: Episode 336
Post by: Mangetsu on July 23, 2014, 12:34:11 PM
don't even look at the comments
some of these people are just retarted :mozgus:
Title: Re: Episode 336
Post by: Tama on July 23, 2014, 04:23:28 PM
Which is riddled with inaccuracies...

Ugh, this is why I don't like talking to most anime / manga fans. Besides the article having incorrect information, people on the forums there feel that they deserve the episodes quicker, and are obligated for them in a timely manner, or how when Miura does want to take a break because he is a human being, it's assumed he has quit Berserk. I realize sometimes it is hard with the longer stretches with no new material up, but it  makes me cringe when I see this or others scoffing at actually paying for manga.

(sorry my rants done, just so glad we have a website like Skullknight and am thankful for it).
Title: Re: Episode 336
Post by: Walter on July 23, 2014, 05:02:13 PM
Ugh, this is why I don't like talking to most anime / manga fans. Besides the article having incorrect information, people on the forums there feel that they deserve the episodes quicker, and are obligated for them in a timely manner, or how when Miura does want to take a break because he is a human being, it's assumed he has quit Berserk. I realize sometimes it is hard with the longer stretches with no new material up, but it  makes me cringe when I see this or others scoffing at actually paying for manga.

(sorry my rants done, just so glad we have a website like Skullknight and am thankful for it).

Those aren't truly fans, though. They're just casual readers. If they were fans, they'd care about Miura's quality of life and respect the choices he's made to continue producing his life's work.

As for the ANN article, here's what it got wrong:

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Miura had taken a break from Berserk earlier this year to publish the six-chapter Gigantomakhia mini-series.
The hiatus actually began Dec. 2012 and ran until April 2014. Gigantomakhia ran from Nov. 2013-Feb. 2014. The Berserk episode release schedule can be found here: http://skullknight.net/images/eps.htm

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The manga inspired a new movie trilogy from Studio 4°C that Viz Media is releasing in North America.
As far as I know, the final movie has been out stateside for months.
Title: Re: Episode 336
Post by: MASTER-AMIR on July 23, 2014, 05:36:08 PM
That's great, im Hopefully manga does not enter into hiatus for a long time or never.
Title: Re: Episode 336
Post by: Constantly_Shaved on July 23, 2014, 08:33:19 PM
That's great, im Hopefully manga does not enter into hiatus for a long time or never.

Even though I am dying to get more Berserk , I kind of like the "huge" gap inbetween episodes. Makes me appreciate it even more when one does come out, and made me more patient.
I would be so happy If we got a episode every 2 months. :)
Title: Re: Episode 336
Post by: XionHorsey on July 24, 2014, 08:56:42 PM
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If Griffith presents Rickert with an offer to join the Falcons, it might be a little tough to turn down with everyone staring at him, wondering why he'd refuse such a thing.

TBH, I can see that happening. Reminds me of public marriage proposals. I always found such things uncomfortable because it reeks of manipulation to me.
Title: Re: Episode 336
Post by: Gummyskull on July 24, 2014, 09:46:56 PM
Whoohoo!!! That's a few days before my birthday! What a nice early gift!  :ubik:
Title: Re: Episode 336
Post by: Skeleton on July 25, 2014, 12:01:08 AM
btw; anyone thinking Rickert (c-c) will want to join the new hawks? I dont think he will resent Griffith , even though he was so mad at him. Griffith will talk about how "the world is a better place now , (even though I kind of damned the other 6 other billion people on this planet lulz.) " and Rickert will argue but in the end he will say "...I see." and walk away.

Why would he want to join the Falcons?
Title: Re: Episode 336
Post by: Constantly_Shaved on July 25, 2014, 09:04:59 AM
Griffith said this to Rickert in Vol 22 (my own translation from my german volume); "When you learn the truth , and come to hate me so be it , but If you still want to chase the dream I will not refuse you."

I kind of meant , Griffith will offer him a place with the Falcons. I should have written it like that in the first place. But I still think he will accept , Rickert could be our .. umm I dont really know how to call it but I guess he will be our "view angle" for Falconia / the Band of the Falcon. (I could be wrong since we've had Sonia and her "protector" whose name I cant recall.)
Title: Re: Episode 336
Post by: Walter on July 25, 2014, 12:39:02 PM
I kind of meant , Griffith will offer him a place with the Falcons. I should have written it like that in the first place. But I still think he will accept ,

He doesn't necessarily have to be one of the Falcons to participate, though. He could just work in the city as a smith. Either way, he has a special context for knowing Griffith that no others in the city can claim.

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Rickert could be our .. umm I dont really know how to call it but I guess he will be our "view angle" for Falconia / the Band of the Falcon.

Perspective. And sure, it's something we've been talking about for the past 3 years. (http://www.skullknight.net/forum/index.php?topic=12921.0).
Title: Re: Episode 336
Post by: Anag on August 03, 2014, 09:29:52 AM
I'd like to see something really surprising... Think, apostle Rickert...
Title: Re: Episode 336
Post by: Walter on August 03, 2014, 01:13:45 PM
I'd like to see something really surprising... Think, apostle Rickert...

That would certainly be surprising  :ganishka:
Title: Re: Episode 336
Post by: Calvinos on August 03, 2014, 06:31:37 PM
Yeah! Thanks for the news! Hope this new ep will bring another piece in the Berserk's jigsaw.
Title: Re: Episode 336
Post by: RaffoBaffo on August 04, 2014, 11:03:21 AM
(http://i.imgur.com/HKIjunm.jpg)
Title: Re: Episode 336
Post by: Heiji on August 04, 2014, 11:52:38 AM
Episode #337 will be publishing in september.
Title: Re: Episode 336
Post by: Walter on August 04, 2014, 01:10:38 PM
Super-early preview, thanks guys. Looks like this ep might have a color page.
Title: Re: Episode 336
Post by: jackson_hurley on August 04, 2014, 01:11:38 PM
Great news! Can't wait for this one. A few more days and treat time!  :guts:
Title: Re: Episode 336
Post by: Delta Phi on August 04, 2014, 02:16:49 PM
Awesome! Can't wait. Also, it's great to here that 337 will come (relatively) shortly after!  :ubik:
Title: Re: Episode 336
Post by: NightCrawler on August 04, 2014, 02:24:43 PM
(http://giant.gfycat.com/QualifiedVigilantBlackcrappie.gif)
Title: Re: Episode 336
Post by: Mangetsu on August 04, 2014, 03:25:29 PM
the preview look's nice ! Really, awsome News
Title: Re: Episode 336
Post by: Constantly_Shaved on August 05, 2014, 09:33:08 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/YMrA1TH.jpg)
Title: Re: Episode 336
Post by: Aazealh on August 05, 2014, 09:40:16 PM
Ahhh, bread and games, ever the recipe for contenting the people. One would think an ogre wouldn't pose much of a challenge to Volkov though... Well, at least there's a free meal at the end of the show. Two birds with one stone!
Title: Re: Episode 336
Post by: RaffoBaffo on August 05, 2014, 10:05:55 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/InsJF5y.jpg)

(http://i.imgur.com/wfG5PJ6.jpg)

(http://i.imgur.com/lIFRUQb.jpg)

(http://i.imgur.com/w0QgTJj.jpg)

(http://i.imgur.com/BS2vW7c.jpg)




EDIT: Mmh, it seems that the Spoiler tag didn't work.

EDIT2: The title of the Episode is "Pandemonium" [like the "High Capital, of Satan and his Peers" in Paradise Lost], maybe is related with the Dome.
Title: Re: Episode 336
Post by: jackson_hurley on August 05, 2014, 11:21:15 PM
Jesus! This is completely crazy! I Love the stuff so far. Very curious to see how this one is gonna play out. Thank you.
Title: Re: Episode 336
Post by: Walter on August 06, 2014, 02:33:54 AM
Thanks! But uh... I'll need some more information.
Title: Re: Episode 336
Post by: Rupert Sinclair on August 06, 2014, 04:23:08 AM
Holy shit!   :schnoz:
Title: Re: Episode 336
Post by: Jaze1618 on August 06, 2014, 05:40:44 AM
Oh god I don't think I can take the ominous black dome much longer. What the heck is it!
Title: Re: Episode 336
Post by: RaffoBaffo on August 06, 2014, 06:08:14 AM
Oh god I don't think I can take the ominous black dome much longer. What the heck is it!
Probably is a sort of arena where Apostles fight against the monsters [and, maby, against other Apostles].
Title: Re: Episode 336
Post by: Mangetsu on August 06, 2014, 09:13:02 AM
Looks great!
It looks like as if, we will get to learn even more about Falconia, but this time more about it's dark Side  :femto:
(http://i.imgur.com/cXSxEnF.gif)
Title: Re: Episode 336
Post by: Aazealh on August 06, 2014, 10:44:00 AM
It's funny to see Erica talk about her father's inventions, and see Daiba and Luca doubt the usefulness of a sword that's bigger than its wielder. I imagine the unseen panels has them connect the dots and realize Guts is the one wielding said sword.

Oh and YA has a disclaimer saying "Berserk is published irregularly". Thanks for telling us, we hadn't noticed. :schnoz:
Title: Re: Episode 336
Post by: Walter on August 06, 2014, 10:48:38 AM
It's funny to see Erica talk about her father's inventions, and see Daiba and Luca doubt the usefulness of a sword that's bigger than its wielder. I imagine the unseen panels has them connect the dots and realize Guts is the one wielding said sword.

Neat. Even without the text, it's cool to consider that Guts connects those three characters. Makes you wonder where that relationship is headed.

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Oh and YA has a disclaimer saying "Berserk is published irregularly". Thanks for telling us, we hadn't noticed. :schnoz:

So THAT's it!   :isidro:
Title: Re: Episode 336
Post by: jackson_hurley on August 06, 2014, 12:40:01 PM


Oh and YA has a disclaimer saying "Berserk is published irregularly". Thanks for telling us, we hadn't noticed. :schnoz:

I thought it was just an elaborate and complicated pattern.  :carcus:
Title: Re: Episode 336
Post by: ZODDOII on August 06, 2014, 12:53:39 PM
wow :isidro: :schnoz: Nice Episode,  who will challenge the master of the arena ;D

Want to see the apostles against dragon or hydra , some high level monsters :magni: :ubik:
Title: Re: Episode 336
Post by: Tama on August 06, 2014, 03:39:39 PM
Thanks for the sneak peak, it looks amazing! I love the shot of the black dome, and the arena seems interesting, I wonder how they will play more into the future..
Title: Re: Episode 336
Post by: jackson_hurley on August 06, 2014, 05:14:51 PM
Mortal Kombat in the arena. Final boss : Femto. Unlockable characters. Ok I shut up now.

I can,t wait to know more about the conversation with Erica, Lucas and Daiba!
Title: Re: Episode 336
Post by: Doc on August 06, 2014, 07:33:46 PM
Interestingly, from that brief snippet, we can only make out Apostles sitting in the stands. I wonder if this will be something exclusively to keep the demonic populace at bay? A place where the demons can satisfy their bloodlust without any innocent bystanders getting killed in the process?
Title: Re: Episode 336
Post by: Walter on August 06, 2014, 07:50:22 PM
Interestingly, from that brief snippet, we can only make out Apostles sitting in the stands. I wonder if this will be something exclusively to keep the demonic populace at bay? A place where the demons can satisfy their bloodlust without any innocent bystanders getting killed in the process?

If it's beyond the palace gates, it makes sense that it's devoid of humans. Remember, Rickert needed a special pass to get through to see Griffith, so it's logical that that region is where the apostles would roam.

We've been making guesses about gladatorial combat since seeing the first shots of Falconia (you could see one or two colosseum-looking structures on the wide shot). But if that's truly what's in the dome, that'd be a bit of a letdown for me, given all the mystery surrounding that giant thing. Then again, yet another thing we probably focused on too much before the reveal.
Title: Re: Episode 336
Post by: Maxwell on August 06, 2014, 11:32:29 PM
Can't wait to see the whole episode, it looks amazing. :ubik: The panels of Erica talking to Daiba and Luca are pretty cute and funny. I'm lovin' that double spread of the black dome, Miura is really making it look ominous. It can't simply be just an arena can it? Maybe the pages of the apostles battling it out is whats happening underneath the walkway and smoke that leads to the dome?
Title: Re: Episode 336
Post by: Jaze1618 on August 07, 2014, 12:35:03 AM
I'm with Walter, about the let down of a dome <--> arena. I don't know if people have seen the full episode or not, but I'm hoping that Ominous shot of the dome, comes at the end and is to inform the readers that, NO, the coliseum that we've just been introduced to in this episode is not the dome. The dome remains ominous and unknown.
Title: Re: Episode 336
Post by: Walter on August 07, 2014, 12:42:10 AM
For the record, I don't think anyone's seen the full episode yet. At least no one that's posted here.

I'm hoping that Ominous shot of the dome, comes at the end and is to inform the readers that, NO, the coliseum that we've just been introduced to in this episode is not the dome. The dome remains ominous and unknown.

It's hard to know for sure, given the disjointed nature of the preview pages we have, but that could very well be the case. We'll know for sure in a day or two, so no reason to fret too much at this point.
Title: Re: Episode 336
Post by: RaffoBaffo on August 07, 2014, 02:07:25 AM
Well, probably the last page is the one with Griffith:

(http://i.imgur.com/BS2vW7c.jpg)
Title: Re: Episode 336
Post by: Rupert Sinclair on August 07, 2014, 02:34:46 AM
The arena could be inside of the dome without necessarily being the entire thing.  Keep in mind the size, even a large arena could just be one feature of a whole Apostle city in there.
Title: Re: Episode 336
Post by: jackson_hurley on August 07, 2014, 05:08:56 AM
do you think we'll get the conversation with Griffith and Rickert in this episode?
Title: Re: Episode 336
Post by: Tama on August 07, 2014, 06:03:53 AM
do you think we'll get the conversation with Griffith and Rickert in this episode?

I've been wondering that too. I'm all for seeing more of the day to day life of what's going on inside Falconia as it's fascinating, but I'm really hoping for a good long conversation between the two, not just a few passing words.
Title: Re: Episode 336
Post by: Skeleton on August 07, 2014, 07:47:55 AM
It's funny to see Erica talk about her father's inventions, and see Daiba and Luca doubt the usefulness of a sword that's bigger than its wielder. I imagine the unseen panels has them connect the dots and realize Guts is the one wielding said sword.

Thank you so much for the explanation!

I'm really glad we're getting to see some more interaction between those three so soon.
Title: Re: Episode 336
Post by: Devilwoman on August 07, 2014, 10:03:06 PM
Mortal Kombat in the arena. Final boss : Femto. Unlockable characters. Ok I shut up now.

I can,t wait to know more about the conversation with Erica, Lucas and Daiba!
A Berserk themed fighter? Hell yeah! I'd pay to see that happen.
The unlockable character should be the Chimimoryo....Ok I'm done.
It looks like it's going to be a very interesting episode, we finally get a glimpse of the dome and the arena. And Griffith looks more mysterious than ever.
Title: Re: Episode 336
Post by: Walter on August 08, 2014, 10:27:28 AM
While hunting down the episode, I came across a scan of the regular end-of-issue comment from Miura: http://www.zassi.net/detail.cgi?gouno=37314&tpl=img_001

He gives his regards to Gigantomakhia, which of course was recently published in volume form.

Above the comment is the typical editorialized (not written by Miura) preview guessing at what's to come. It's way too low resolution to translate, but it does mention Griffith and Rickert yet again so, perhaps it's safe to say their chat is yet to come. Which leads me to wonder what the other pages in this episode are of. Starts off with Griffith where we left him. Shoots over to Daiba, Luca and Erica's talk. Then the apostle arena and finally Griffith looking off into the distance? Maybe he's leading Rickert deeper into the palace?
Title: Re: Episode 336
Post by: Doc on August 08, 2014, 01:03:46 PM
Am I the only one wondering what purpose Rickert serves to Griffith? At this stage, what use does Rickert have in Griffith's master plan and what's his ulterior motive for giving him an audience? Granted, he's a skilled blacksmith, but Griffith is a demi-god with a horde of demons at his command and the combined armies of Midland & Kushan etc. Is Rickert really going to have much impact? And I sincerely doubt that Griffith's worried about Rickert spilling the beans about the Eclipse, if he even dared to. So what's the bastard up to?

And I can't shake the feeling that we'll see the ghosts of the fallen Falcons. 'Divine Right' seemed like a foreshadowing of this, if nothing else. I think that's going to be how Griffith finally wins Rickert over.
Title: Re: Episode 336
Post by: Walter on August 08, 2014, 01:21:34 PM
Am I the only one wondering what purpose Rickert serves to Griffith? At this stage, what use does Rickert have in Griffith's master plan and what's his ulterior motive for giving him an audience? Granted, he's a skilled blacksmith, but Griffith is a demi-god with a horde of demons at his command and the combined armies of Midland & Kushan etc. Is Rickert really going to have much impact? And I sincerely doubt that Griffith's worried about Rickert spilling the beans about the Eclipse, if he even dared to. So what's the bastard up to?

I don't think he has some grand evil scheme regarding Rickert. Though Griffith might not yet know the full extent of his abilities, he could certainly be put to work outfitting humans with machinery to defend against magical creatures (like, say, that mounted crossbow repeater he created). I see him filling a role as a kind of new age inventor moving forward.

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And I can't shake the feeling that we'll see the ghosts of the fallen Falcons. 'Divine Right' seemed like a foreshadowing of this, if nothing else. I think that's going to be how Griffith finally wins Rickert over.

I think that would have the opposite effect, honestly. Also, those souls have long since joined the vortex and lost their individuality. Unless you think the whole thing is a show Griffith created?
Title: Re: Episode 336
Post by: jackalj on August 08, 2014, 01:27:57 PM
Well he gets his special audience because he was a old member of the original hawks, as you already knew i'm sure. But I'm guessing besides that, Griffith is making a offer to Rickert to recieve a spot among the hawks as he promised. His plan might end there but Griffith could also use Rickert as tool against Guts. When Guts decides it's time to visit Falconia?
And as tool I mean Rickert trying to convince Guts to join Griffith or leave him alone. Then again if Guts finds out Rickert has 'chosen' the side of Griffith it might be a extra middle finger to Guts from Griffith.

Bet let's just see first if Rickert actually joins Griffith, he might just open up shop inside the city and not deal with the army. And like Walter said help the citizens defend themself if they ever go outside the crystal radius.
Title: Re: Episode 336
Post by: Walter on August 08, 2014, 01:43:58 PM
And as tool I mean Rickert trying to convince Guts to join Griffith or leave him alone.

Sounds like a solid plan.  :ganishka:

Griffith has no need to scheme like this against Guts. Nor do I imagine is he even concerned about an intrusion by him.
Title: Re: Episode 336
Post by: Griffith on August 08, 2014, 02:32:07 PM
Rickert's trade is objectively useful and he could be used against Guts somehow, but I think it's a lot simpler than that: they're old comrades. Griffith/Femto may not be human, but he's still Griffith, he still remembers who his old friends and enemies are, and he acts accordingly. I don't know if that approximates some form of genuine affinity, or if it's just how Griffbot is programmed to act human, but I don't think it's that strange or ominous by itself. It would be stranger if he ignored him.

Of course, now that I've said that, in the next episode, after Rickert declines to join up, he'll be tossed into the Apostle arena, "Sorry old friend, but you know too much!" :griffnotevil:
Title: Re: Episode 336
Post by: Doc on August 08, 2014, 02:37:02 PM
Hey, Walter. Thanks.

I don't think he has some grand evil scheme regarding Rickert. Though Griffith might not yet know the full extent of his abilities, he could certainly be put to work outfitting humans with machinery to defend against magical creatures (like, say, that mounted crossbow repeater he created). I see him filling a role as a kind of new age inventor moving forward.

Moving forward, I can definitely see that being Rickert's role in the new world. It's just the, imo, undue attention that Griffith has toward Rickert that intrigues me. Lest we forget that Griffith had his eye on Rickert even before the advent of Falconia. Although his chief reason for being there was obviously to meet Guts, he still offered Rickert a return to the Falcons.

I think that would have the opposite effect, honestly. Also, those souls have long since joined the vortex and lost their individuality. Unless you think the whole thing is a show Griffith created?

Yeah, I had considered that, viz. the Vortex, and I think the latter would certainly fit with the whole theme of illusion and deception that embodies Falconia & the Age of Darkness. I could picture a scenario where Rickert broaches the subject of the Eclipse, Griffith makes no apology for his actions and gives the usual spiel about following his (or rather 'their') dream. Rickert will obviously still be plagued by doubts after what Guts told him, until Griffith remarks "Don't take my word for it, ask them yourself", whereupon Judeau, Pippin & Corkus et al. come floating out of the ether with smiles on their faces, proclaiming they died with no regrets. Rickert breaks down into tears and becomes putty in Griffith's hands.

Or not.  :ganishka:
Title: Re: Episode 336
Post by: Aazealh on August 08, 2014, 02:44:00 PM
I think Griffith will be mostly amiable and candid with Rickert, but that what he will tell and maybe show him will be ominous enough to make him think to himself that "this is not the man I used to know", echoing Guts' words to him in volume 22.

Griffith is a demi-god with a horde of demons at his command and the combined armies of Midland & Kushan etc.

Just a side note, but Griffith doesn't really have the armies of the former Kushan empire at his command. He's got some troops that joined his army's ranks after they were defeated, but the overwhelming majority of the Kushan armies were simply annihilated.

And I can't shake the feeling that we'll see the ghosts of the fallen Falcons. 'Divine Right' seemed like a foreshadowing of this, if nothing else. I think that's going to be how Griffith finally wins Rickert over.

That's not at all what the the "Divine right of Kings" is about.
Title: Re: Episode 336
Post by: Rupert Sinclair on August 09, 2014, 03:57:02 PM
Just found this:

http://blog.livedoor.jp/abacabu-abacabu/archives/40263796.html

Notice the insignia above the arena door.  :femto:
Title: Re: Episode 336
Post by: Irvine on August 09, 2014, 04:49:32 PM
Just found this:

http://blog.livedoor.jp/abacabu-abacabu/archives/40263796.html

Notice the insignia above the arena door.  :femto:

Wow, Rickert is scared as shit. Now he knows what Guts were talking about. I wonder what happens next.
Title: Re: Episode 336
Post by: Mangetsu on August 09, 2014, 06:25:18 PM
Just found this:

http://blog.livedoor.jp/abacabu-abacabu/archives/40263796.html

Notice the insignia above the arena door.  :femto:

Holy FUCKING SHHHIIIIITT!!!!
this episode looks amazing
Title: Re: Episode 336
Post by: Aazealh on August 09, 2014, 07:59:55 PM
Based on that Japanese preview:

Locus tells Rickert he wants to show him something, since he's a former "wing" of the Band of the Falcon. The place where the countless monsters that form the Demon Royal Guard live, and that the human guards can't even approach because they're too afraid of it. Rickert recalls Irvine and Zodd, and Locus notices that Rickert already seems familiar with what the Demon Soldiers are to some extent. He then asks him why he wants to see the Falcon. Rickert is hesitant to answer, but Locus assures him that he doesn't have any hidden intentions. He wonders aloud if it's merely to renew their old friendship, or maybe to ask for help about living in the castle town, or even both... Or maybe to ask what happened under the black sun on that day...

Rickert asks him how he could know, and Locus says it's a simple inference... He was a "wing" of the previous Band of the Falcon, but there's no aura of the Brand on him. That means that he could avoid the consequence of the ceremony at the time. And then it's only normal that he'd want to ask him what happened on that day, where his companions disappeared to. Rickert says that he already knows the answer. Thinks back to what Guts told him on the Hill of Swords. Locus deduces that he must want to hear it from the mouth of the Falcon himself. He asks him if he expects Griffith to say so while being overwhelmed with regret? But he comments that at least, to him Rickert's eyes do not seem to be filled with hatred. That also reminds Rickert of what Guts told him back then, about how he could not hate Griffith.

Locus comments that there's a big difference between knowing something and feeling it. And that before he decides whether to ask Griffith or not, he should see for himself. See what the talons of the Falcon of Light are now. They proceed to the lair of the apostles. Locus explains to him that they are the Demon Soldiers. Overly bellicose in general. Tells him that they transport all the monsters they capture inside of the castle. It can be said that by doing that they're always training for battle, but the truth is they just crave blood and slaughter (meanwhile we see Volkov goring an ogre in an arena, but not without getting wacked on the head in the process). Rickert feels like this is like a scene from hell. He comments that Griffith sacrificed the Band of the Falcon to get these monsters. Locus tells him that they were originally human. That they were reborn through very intense tenacity (their will to live) and causality. That they are apostles.

He further adds that if the Falcon of Light wasn't leading them, they'd merely be pursuing their own desires, being enemies to the human world. Monsters hated, feared and avoided at all costs. But that the Falcon of Light gathered them and made them into a sword. That he made them get along with the humans, made them into monstrous protectors for the human world. That he gave them, who were outsiders, a place to stay. Locus adds that though battles can't be avoided in this new world, at least there's no battle between humans. Humans only wield swords to protect other humans. And that though death can't be avoided, people are not afraid of death anymore, because they have seen that the soul is immortal. He concludes by saying that this is a real utopia that no great king had ever been able to create before in this world. That it's what the Falcon of Light has brought to humans. And it's called Falconia.

Next episode will probably have Rickert meeting Griffith at last. No doubt he'll be quite relaxed after that nice warming up with Locus. :magni:
Title: Re: Episode 336
Post by: Walter on August 09, 2014, 08:09:37 PM
Locus talking about apostles and hearing his rationalization for Femto's campaign: better than anything I predicted for this episode.
Title: Re: Episode 336
Post by: jackalj on August 09, 2014, 08:21:06 PM
I like that Locus is telling the story from the monsters point of view. Almost makes me feel for them. Them trying to find a place for their own and Griffith being there to unite both groups, the humans and apostles.

I don't know if it's the way you summerized it or if Locus actually tells it that way.
Title: Re: Episode 336
Post by: Aazealh on August 09, 2014, 08:22:12 PM
I don't know if it's the way you summerized it or if Locus actually tells it that way.

My summary is very close to what Locus and Rickert actually say.
Title: Re: Episode 336
Post by: m on August 09, 2014, 08:22:25 PM
Reading Aazealh's summary I couldn't help getting a Divine Comedy feeling from this episode. I can't wait to get my hands on the full episode. T minus six days and counting...
Title: Re: Episode 336
Post by: Buy Berserk! on August 09, 2014, 08:48:55 PM
A great glimpse of Falconia's dark side.
Title: Re: Episode 336
Post by: Aazealh on August 09, 2014, 09:30:05 PM
Love all the shots in the episode. Really great stuff. The episode title is "万魔殿", which means "Abode of all/many demons". "Pandemonium" is a suitable alternative.

Anyway, poor Daiba really looks his age these days. Yelling at kids to get away from his barn. :ganishka: Although he does use a small spell on Erica so that she'd help with his chores (not unlike what Schierke did to Isidro when they first met), so he's not completely helpless. At least he seems to have mellowed quite a bit since Ganishka's death. Anyway, Rickert's work is coming in handy for him. And Locus really is as creepy as ever. :SK:

On a side note, for some reason the cut from the hellish-looking door to the apostle's lair to Daiba's face in the crack of the barn's doors reminded me of episode 295, when Daiba runs away from the temple and you see Ganishka's monstrous face(s) peering from inside.
Title: Re: Episode 336
Post by: Sankari on August 10, 2014, 12:01:08 AM
This preview made me want the main apostles to survive the story. I really don't want Locus, Zodd , Irvine and Grunbeld to die ;)
Title: Re: Episode 336
Post by: Delta Phi on August 10, 2014, 12:09:21 AM
Just looked through the episode. Thanks for the summary Aaz. So good! Locus really sells it here. I want to believe him, but man, you know this is only the beginning :femto:

So we can assume there's more to the dome than the arena, since all the apostles and captured monsters reside inside? The long shot of the bridge, dome, and fog is definitely my favorite.
Title: Re: Episode 336
Post by: Rupert Sinclair on August 10, 2014, 12:43:42 AM
This speech Locus gives about Griffith and the Apostles makes me think of Mozgus and his disciples, specifically the way the Bird-masked Disciple described how Mozgus had given them a place in the world.  On another note, I wonder if having astral creatures within the castle will work against their favor at some point in the future.   :daiba:
Title: Re: Episode 336
Post by: Tama on August 10, 2014, 04:43:07 AM
Thank you for the summary, what an amazing episode. Hearing a different point of view on the Apostle side is very interesting..
Title: Re: Episode 336
Post by: Jaze1618 on August 10, 2014, 05:27:49 AM
Such Genius story telling. Miura always surprises me, even when I expect him to continually deliver the best. The man really knows how to spend time and attention on the details that fans seem to completely minimalize or gloss over when they are anticipating what the next handful of episodes might hold.
Title: Re: Episode 336
Post by: Dar Klink on August 10, 2014, 05:42:15 AM
That's some amazing character interaction that I've been waiting for! Rickert talking to Locus, Luca and Daiba having a "wait a minute!" moment together. I'm still on the edge of my seat waiting for the Griffith talk, but this was a good episode.
Title: Re: Episode 336
Post by: puella on August 10, 2014, 09:43:57 AM
I personally wonder how Guts would react if he had a chance to hear Locus' point of view.

Would just two words ("Fuck off?") be enough? I think his reaction would be similar to the one he had with Grunbeld's ramblings about warriors.

Rickert seems to be a bit taken in by Locus' speech. I think he'll be somewhat like Raban in the end. Not content with this new world, but aware that there's no real choice.
Title: Re: Episode 336
Post by: Aazealh on August 10, 2014, 09:04:14 PM
One thing that's also interesting about this episode is the reason Owen has to leave in the beginning. The guards tell him that there are intruders in the castle. That two guards were knocked out. Owen seems pretty surprised that anyone would attack the castle. I'm thinking that there aren't too many entities that could pull something of the sort... The Bakiraka perhaps?

Anyway, it's interesting to see how even the architecture changes between the castle and the apostles' den. The decoration on the bridge looks like batwings instead of feathers, not to mention the actual building itself.

This preview made me want the main apostles to survive the story. I really don't want Locus, Zodd , Irvine and Grunbeld to die ;)
Locus really sells it here. I want to believe him, but man, you know this is only the beginning

He's just giving the party line. Honestly I don't find it very compelling from the reader's point of view. Avoiding battles between humans isn't a good tradeoff for having to live in a single place that's ruled and protected by monsters. And we already know that the bit about the soul being immortal is a scam as well.

So we can assume there's more to the dome than the arena, since all the apostles and captured monsters reside inside? The long shot of the bridge, dome, and fog is definitely my favorite.

Given how big it looks from afar, how it overlooks the rest of the city, there is definitely more to it than just that (relatively small) arena. I'm excited about the possibilities, actually. Maybe there's more than apostles in there. More... dangerous beings. :void:
Title: Re: Episode 336
Post by: Irvine on August 11, 2014, 12:14:13 AM
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More... dangerous beings

If so than why would Void and the others want to be in Falconia?
Title: Re: Episode 336
Post by: Walter on August 11, 2014, 01:35:35 AM
Man, the look of terror on the ogre's face makes me really feel for the big guy...  :sad:

Also, I really want to know the backstory on THIS guy   :guts:

(http://skullknight.net/images/apostle-lol.jpg)

One thing that's also interesting about this episode is the reason Owen has to leave in the beginning. The guards tell him that there are intruders in the castle. That two guards were knocked out. Owen seems pretty surprised that anyone would attack the castle. I'm thinking that there aren't too many entities that could pull something of the sort... The Bakiraka perhaps?

Wow, thanks for the info. Yeah, the Bakiraka makes the most sense. What other group could make it that far in, and be perceived as a threat? It's nice to know there's some kind of resistance, even if it is pretty much small scale at this point (why else would the defense force be relegated to humans?).

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Anyway, it's interesting to see how even the architecture changes between the castle and the apostles' den. The decoration on the bridge looks like batwings instead of feathers, not to mention the actual building itself.

Almost as if the structure itself reflected both sides of Griffith's persona. I hope that's the case. The batwings certainly give that impression. Do you think other humans have seen this region of the palace? That mysterious fog... I wonder what that's about? Reminds me of the fog we see when apostles join their limbs, and when SK appears. Some kind of astral buffer?

Other side note, Locus' interest in Rickert from the last episode was revealed to us: he was curious, maybe even slightly wary, of what Rickerts intentions would be. He strikes me as one of, if not THE most devout of Griffith's followers. It's natural that he'd be wary of one of his former human comrades coming back. In a small way, Rickert was being vetted by one of Griffith's bodyguards.

I like that Locus is telling the story from the monsters point of view. Almost makes me feel for them. Them trying to find a place for their own and Griffith being there to unite both groups, the humans and apostles.

I don't know if it's the way you summerized it or if Locus actually tells it that way.
This preview made me want the main apostles to survive the story. I really don't want Locus, Zodd , Irvine and Grunbeld to die ;)

Like Aazealh said, it's certainly interesting to hear an apostle's take on things in this way, but come on... it's hardly a sob story. It's a hollow rationalization full of holes and half-truths -- the kind of logic the God Hand used on Griffith during the Eclipse. Also glossing over crucial information. Oh yeah, all these terrible beasts? They feasted on your friends. Guess I forgot that part while trying to make this demonic charade sound like a noble crusade!

Falconia is a false solution. Humanity only needs a safe haven because Femto created this predicament in the first place. Providing a small percentage of humanity with a seemingly safe fortress while the rest of the entire world suffers is hardly a heroic effort. And that's likely only the tip of the iceberg of the God Hand's true plans for this new world.

I personally wonder how Guts would react if he had a chance to hear Locus' point of view.

Would just two words ("Fuck off?") be enough? I think his reaction would be similar to the one he had with Grunbeld's ramblings about warriors.

Yep, my thoughts exactly. In fact, I was thinking of that scene as Locus continued to ramble  :ganishka:  Monsters shouldn't pretend to be warriors  :azan:

If so than why would Void and the others want to be in Falconia?

Because it's more than just Femto's capital city--it's more than likely the center of power for the new world. The world spiral tree didn't appear there by accident.
Title: Re: Episode 336
Post by: Oburi on August 11, 2014, 03:50:52 AM
Thanks for the summary Aaz. I love this episode! Always down for more time spent with Locus. It's interesting to hear his perspective on Falconia. The transition on pages 9 and 10 of the doors opening is brilliant. I too think it's obvious that's there's much more in the dome than just this arena which is like Aaz said, pretty small actually.

I've said it before but I'll say it again, I love this whole journey Rickert is taking through the Falconia. We the readers get to explore the whole place with him with the same wonder and awe. Miura is spoiling us truly with such effective storytelling.
Title: Re: Episode 336
Post by: Griffith on August 11, 2014, 02:42:29 PM
It's always a good sign when the majority of the episode is shaded like an old fashioned horror comic! Fantastic. :guts:

Anyway, I feel like Locus, excellently creepy as ever, is trying to do Rickert a favor here with this little primer, tempering his expectations as far as the old Falcons are concerned and convincing him of the nobility of their cause. Basically, we already know what's on your mind, so don't ask those questions if you're not going to like the answers, because there's no going back.
Title: Re: Episode 336
Post by: jackson_hurley on August 11, 2014, 07:01:45 PM
I'm wondering if the "hellish" gate we see opening with Rickert and Locus, is it the gate for the arena or the gate for the dome? I'm more inclined to say the gate for the arena which means we did not get to see how we get inside that dome. Not that it's a super important detail, just very curious about it. Thoughts?
Title: Re: Episode 336
Post by: Walter on August 11, 2014, 07:08:19 PM
I'm wondering if the "hellish" gate we see opening with Rickert and Locus, is it the gate for the arena or the gate for the dome? I'm more inclined to say the gate for the arena which means we did not get to see how we get inside that dome. Not that it's a super important detail, just very curious about it. Thoughts?

Hard to say with any certainty. I was trying to identify what the significance of that pattern on the door was. It sure was ornate for a killing room like the arena. In terms of the layout of the palace, our grasp on the relation of things is pretty disjointed right now. But I imagine Miura will underscore those elements when it's important to do so.
Title: Re: Episode 336
Post by: Aazealh on August 11, 2014, 07:16:03 PM
I'm wondering if the "hellish" gate we see opening with Rickert and Locus, is it the gate for the arena or the gate for the dome?

As far as I can tell it's the gate to the building itself, of which the arena is merely a part. You'll notice that the outside door is quite large, dwarfing Rickert and Locus, while the door by which they enter the arena is human-sized. Futhermore, they enter the arena from the top of the spectator area, and we can see that there is also an entrance down below for the contestants themselves. That implies that they traveled a while inside the structure before reaching the arena, a moment conveniently left out of the reader's sight while we were with Erica and the others.
Title: Re: Episode 336
Post by: Oburi on August 11, 2014, 07:21:58 PM
Also, I really want to know the backstory on THIS guy   :guts:

(http://skullknight.net/images/apostle-lol.jpg)


He seems like a nice guy.

Title: Re: Episode 336
Post by: Aazealh on August 11, 2014, 07:36:34 PM
He seems like a nice guy.

Has a Slimer vibe to me, straight outta Ghostbusters.
Title: Re: Episode 336
Post by: Griffith on August 11, 2014, 08:05:04 PM
Has a Slimer vibe to me, straight outta Ghostbusters.

I know which refreshments he's enjoying at the games:

(https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/--w-5qqpHdXw/TpeS2d_oQnI/AAAAAAAACHg/FhR1w0Fte48/SlimerEatHotDog.gif)

(http://37.media.tumblr.com/ab5055fea4e1af2d2774a4ede628989f/tumblr_mloaevhZPo1rggrn8o1_500.gif)

(http://www.foodiggity.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/09/ecto-cooler-slimer-hi-c.jpg)
Title: Re: Episode 336
Post by: jackson_hurley on August 11, 2014, 08:15:28 PM
As far as I can tell it's the gate to the building itself, of which the arena is merely a part. You'll notice that the outside door is quite large, dwarfing Rickert and Locus, while the door by which they enter the arena is human-sized. Futhermore, they enter the arena from the top of the spectator area, and we can see that there is also an entrance down below for the contestants themselves. That implies that they traveled a while inside the structure before reaching the arena, a moment conveniently left out of the reader's sight while we were with Erica and the others.

Totally makes sense. I did not think about it that way. I really like the texture of those doors and I kinda hope that you're right cause that would give this dome some fucked up walls to look at. Either way it's very cool for the eyes.
Title: Re: Episode 336
Post by: Skeleton on August 12, 2014, 05:39:36 AM
Fantastic episode!  I love the architecture of this part of Falconia especially the design of that main door.  To parrot Griffith a bit, the episode definitely has a strong horror look.  If there's a throne for Femto somewhere in there I can't wait to see it.

I don't know if we'll ever find out, but I'd like to see whoever goes out and cages these creatures and how they do it.
Title: Re: Episode 336
Post by: Walter on August 12, 2014, 11:46:28 AM

I don't know if we'll ever find out, but I'd like to see whoever goes out and cages these creatures and how they do it.

They probably don't need a cage. Chains might work. And the giant apostles (led by Grunberd) likely wouldn't have many issues wrangling an ogre.
Title: Re: Episode 336
Post by: Deci on August 13, 2014, 05:44:27 PM
Loved it! I definitely felt a strange subtle anxiety as Rickert and Locus walked down the huge walkway. Add Locus speech about the old Hawks and the "black sun" and it felt very impending doom to me. I'm right there with Rickert..

So excited about next episode!
Title: Re: Episode 336
Post by: Skeleton on August 14, 2014, 04:16:11 AM
They probably don't need a cage. Chains might work. And the giant apostles (led by Grunberd) likely wouldn't have many issues wrangling an ogre.

That's true.  And I agree that's the most likely case.  It just intrigues me enough that I'd like to see an ogre or something getting captured. 

As long as I'm focusing on minute details story-wise, maybe one day we'll get a "A Day in the Life of Falconians" book that shows people and apostles doing their mundane jobs.  They could sandwich the ogre-catching apostle between the guy harvesting the grain around the wingstones and the man selling squash in the marketplace.  :ganishka:
Title: Re: Episode 336
Post by: TheBranded1 on August 14, 2014, 06:08:54 AM

Very interesting take Locus has on all the apostle's doing and "goals" for Falconia. Even with Rickert's horrified look on this episode, I think he will end up staying to protect Erika. Also, Griffith/Femto charisma might entice him to also do some of his inventions for the people and soldiers. Whatever happens, I know Berserk doesn't dissapoint me once I get to read the latest episode. Thank you Miura.
Title: Re: Episode 336
Post by: Walter on August 15, 2014, 01:09:36 AM
Just a reminder that the digital issue of Young Animal with Ep 336 is now available for $3: http://www.hakusensha-e.net/vtop?id=3225

Here's Aazealh's guide on how to navigate the site and buy it: http://www.skullknight.net/forum/index.php?topic=14329
Title: Re: Episode 336
Post by: ApostleBob on August 15, 2014, 02:22:02 PM
Just a reminder that the digital issue of Young Animal with Ep 336 is now available for $3: http://www.hakusensha-e.net/vtop?id=3225

Here's Aazealh's guide on how to navigate the site and buy it: http://www.skullknight.net/forum/index.php?topic=14329

Nice!  Thanks Walter.
Title: Re: Episode 336
Post by: Walter on August 15, 2014, 02:28:52 PM
Something strange happens in this episode, and I don't quite know what to make of it yet...

Normally when unlikely bouts of chance occur, we attribute them to causality. But seeing Erica, Daiba and Luca drawn together like this -- three people linked by Guts, could this also be causality at work? And if so, to what end?
Title: Re: Episode 336
Post by: Vaati on August 15, 2014, 03:25:16 PM
Something strange happens in this episode, and I don't quite know what to make of it yet...

Normally when unlikely bouts of chance occur, we attribute them to causality. But seeing Erica, Daiba and Luca drawn together like this -- three people linked by Guts, could this also be causality at work? And if so, to what end?

The flow of causality has typically been in favor of Griffith's ambitions, so perhaps causality is slightly out of whack at the moment. Seeing characters who will probably have a good relationship with Guts forming in Falconia may be the start to some type of resistance against Griffith.
Title: Re: Episode 336
Post by: Walter on August 15, 2014, 03:34:14 PM
Seeing characters who will probably have a good relationship with Guts forming in Falconia may be the start to some type of resistance against Griffith.

I definitely think that's the case, though we're still far away from that truly taking shape. The question is whether this is merely a bizarre coincidence or was designed to occur this way. And like you said, if that's the case, I can't imagine it's in favor of the God Hand's ambitions.

I suppose a good counterpoint here is that Guts has touched the lives of several people, and it makes sense that some of them would come into contact with each other here in humanity's last refuge, and share their experiences. But we're dealing with a series where things are rarely _just_ coincidence.
Title: Re: Episode 336
Post by: jackson_hurley on August 15, 2014, 04:50:16 PM
Not just that. The fact they met Guts at some point showed them before the shit it the fan. They were either already aware of the world or learned it like how Guts found it. Imo it's a plus vs regular folks that comes to Falconia. So I think it will have some important significance when it'll come near the end. Realizing that Guts is on the "good" side and helping maybe open other peoples eyes about Griffith...
Title: Re: Episode 336
Post by: Doc on August 15, 2014, 05:05:45 PM
So who are your bets on for the interloper in Falconia?

I'm guessing it'll be something anticlimactic like Rakshas causing mischief rather than an actual enemy of Griffith.
Title: Re: Episode 336
Post by: jackson_hurley on August 15, 2014, 05:07:27 PM
Humm good question. I'd say either the Bakiraka like Aaz mentioned, oooor a new character maybe? Someone that we are not aware of yet? (I doubt it but who knows)
Title: Re: Episode 336
Post by: Aazealh on August 15, 2014, 05:27:42 PM
So who are your bets on for the interloper in Falconia?

I'm guessing it'll be something anticlimactic like Rakshas causing mischief rather than an actual enemy of Griffith.

I don't see what reason Rakshas could possibly have to attack two guards in the castle. I guess we could imagine it as a ploy to get Owen away, a favor to Locus so that he could give Rickert his little tour and speech. But that's a stretch, since Locus could have probably done it anyway.
Title: Re: Episode 336
Post by: TheBranded1 on August 15, 2014, 05:34:22 PM

It could be bandits too, I'm expecting those got in Falconia as well. I would think of Silat sneaking in at the arena or something in that regard.
Title: Re: Episode 336
Post by: Mammon on August 15, 2014, 05:44:37 PM
So who are your bets on for the interloper in Falconia?

I'm guessing it'll be something anticlimactic like Rakshas causing mischief rather than an actual enemy of Griffith.
Ha, I was thinking of some "mischief" too.
I have no ground for this assumption of course, I also thought "Yeah, Bakiraka!" at first, and then...

I thought of Daiba's pterodactyl pet ^^' Poor beast has been locked up/hidden in the barn for a long time, and since they talk about it again in this episode (it's referenced in every episode since we discovered Falconia IIRC),  maybe it escaped and roughed up the guards who spotted it...
then Daiba turned it into a horse temporary to make sure nobody finds out (that one horse who goes "Mmmmhh? and turns around at the same time as  Daiba and Luca when they remember Guts).
Yeah I'm joking around about the horse part  :daiba:
Actually the whole idea is silly of course, but I'll laugh it Daiba's pet was indeed involved.  :troll:

Great episode as always!
Title: Re: Episode 336
Post by: Doc on August 15, 2014, 06:57:04 PM
For one, I don't think the Bakiraka would be reckless enough to invade Griffith's headquarters. Seems too suicidal for them, when Silat usually cautions against that kind of behaviour. And secondly, we're told that the guards were "unconscious", not slain. Doesn't necessarily mean that the intruder isn't serious, I know, but there's no reason for them not to be killed if this is indeed a real threat and leads me to believe it's Rakshas up to something. As for what that something IS, I haven't a clue. He's a mystery to us all.
Title: Re: Episode 336
Post by: Walter on August 15, 2014, 07:25:29 PM
Bakiraka or Tapasa are still the most likely candidates to pull off an infiltration to the palace. As for it being "reckless," Im sure they planned out the attack (or a reconnaissance mission...). And it's not as if a few guards are a challenge for the Tapasa.

If it's not them, then it could be something unknown. But Rakshas makes almost zero sense to me... Why would he even need to infiltrate anything at all...?

But I'm speechless over this Garuda speculation. He has been locked in the barn the past two episodes. When did he have the opportunity to escape and rough up guards before being transformed into a horse by Daiba?
Title: Re: Episode 336
Post by: Constantly_Shaved on August 15, 2014, 07:44:14 PM
SUPRISE the infiltration was pulled of by Guts with Elf King Powers and cured Casca !  :guts:
Today I read 333-336 , and it made me realize that we actually got a lot of Info about Falconia already , and Im really happy that we atleast got a date for the next episode this time. :)

I hope we get some new characters (people who kind of think/know that there are dark powers at hand), who would be responsible for the infiltration , because the Bakiraka would have no reason to attack Griffith at the moment and neither does Rakshas.

I was so happy that we even got a glimpse of Guts this episode  , even though it was just a flashback.  :ganishka: Feels like a lot of time has passed since we last saw him.

Well this is a bit off-topic but ; I always hear about people talking about "God Hands Plans" , is this a real thing? I dont think that the God Hand are always chilling together thinking of evil things to enslave mankind or get "more power". Well... now that I think about it I guess they would like a little anarchy.


Title: Re: Episode 336
Post by: Mammon on August 15, 2014, 07:52:29 PM
But I'm speechless over this Garuda speculation. He has been locked in the barn the past two episodes. When did he have the opportunity to escape and rough up guards before being transformed into a horse by Daiba?
My bad, I thought it was clear enough that I wasn't serious, I even mentioned that it was a silly idea/joke myself  :farnese:
(English is my 3rd language and all, and my humor is pretty lame to start with).

I think the horse that looks at Luca and Daiba when they realize they are thinking about the same person was funny though.
Title: Re: Episode 336
Post by: Griffith on August 15, 2014, 07:55:41 PM
I don't see what reason Rakshas could possibly have to attack two guards in the castle. I guess we could imagine it as a ploy to get Owen away, a favor to Locus so that he could give Rickert his little tour and speech. But that's a stretch, since Locus could have probably done it anyway.

Reading it, part of me liked to think it's just a bullshit diversion cooked up to ditch Owen so Locus could speak freely and put the moves on Rickert. But yeah, "Fuck off" would have probably sufficed. :ganishka:

Anyway, it can't be Rakshas up to mischief in Falconia because he's already up to it in Elfhelm by now! :puck::rakshas: :badbone: <("FREEZE, PUNK.")

Well this is a bit off-topic but ; I always hear about people talking about "God Hands Plans" , is this a real thing? I dont think that the God Hand are always chilling together thinking of evil things to enslave mankind or get "more power". Well... now that I think about it I guess they would like a little anarchy.

Yes, it is a real thing addressed directly or indirectly... well, previously at certain important junctures but arguably all of the time now. Anyway, whatever the plan is it has clearly been long set, and what anarchy they sow seems to be a means, not the end.
Title: Re: Episode 336
Post by: Doc on August 15, 2014, 07:58:13 PM
Hey, Walter.

Bakiraka or Tapasa are still the most likely candidates to pull off an infiltration to the palace. As for it being "reckless," Im sure they planned out the attack. And it's not as if a few guards are a challenge for the Tapasa.

The guards aren't a match for them, no, but the Apostles on the other hand? I get the impression that Silat & co. would be more likely to lay low for awhile and watch how things unfold before making any sudden moves. Locus didn't seem at all fazed by the prospect of there being an intruder in their midst, either. Does he know or sense who it is?

If it's not them, then it could be something unknown. But Rakshas makes almost zero sense to me... Why would he even need to infiltrate anything at all...?

When we don't know Rakshas's true motive, or the complete limits of Falconia, there's only guesswork as to what he's up to. You could well be right and it'll turn out to be the Bakiraka, it's perfectly deductive, it just seemed a little too predictable at this stage.
Title: Re: Episode 336
Post by: Walter on August 15, 2014, 09:42:30 PM
The guards aren't a match for them, no, but the Apostles on the other hand? I get the impression that Silat & co. would be more likely to lay low for awhile and watch how things unfold before making any sudden moves.

Just because we got a mention of an infiltration (that resulted in two unconscious guards...) doesn't mean this was a full-blown invasion or an assassination attempt. If this was merely them putting out feelers, they wouldn't necessarily have to go toe to toe against apostles. Even in that instance, pretty sure the Tapasa could escape if they had to.

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When we don't know Rakshas's true motive, or the complete limits of Falconia, there's only guesswork as to what he's up to. You could well be right and it'll turn out to be the Bakiraka, it's perfectly deductive, it just seemed a little too predictable at this stage.

It's becoming predictable to me when people point at Rakshas whenever absolutely anything mysterious happens.  :schierke:
Title: Re: Episode 336
Post by: jackson_hurley on August 15, 2014, 09:49:57 PM

It's becoming predictable to me when people point at Rakshas whenever absolutely anything mysterious happens.  :schierke:

Well one day they might be right! If they keep betting on him everytime surely something will come out of it once.  :carcus:
Title: Re: Episode 336
Post by: Delta Phi on August 19, 2014, 02:15:58 PM
Well one day they might be right! If they keep betting on him everytime surely something will come out of it once.  :carcus:

I'm waiting for the day Rakshas taking a figurative bullet for Griffith and it finally shuts up all the "Rakshas is a double agent!" apologists.

Boy, and I gonna feel dumb if he ends up actually taking Griffith's head
Title: Re: Episode 336
Post by: jackson_hurley on August 19, 2014, 03:47:15 PM
I'm waiting for the day Rakshas taking a figurative bullet for Griffith and it finally shuts up all the "Rakshas is a double agent!" apologists.

Boy, and I gonna feel dumb if he ends up actually taking Griffith's head

I don't think you'll feel dumb about that cause it's pretty much impossible anyway. So you're safe!
Title: Re: Episode 336
Post by: beau_mustang on August 31, 2014, 04:30:24 AM
And I can't shake the feeling that we'll see the ghosts of the fallen Falcons. 'Divine Right' seemed like a foreshadowing of this, if nothing else. I think that's going to be how Griffith finally wins Rickert over.

Noooooo!!! Puff (Brain blown), I would love to see Pippin and Judeau again.
Title: Re: Episode 336
Post by: puella on September 10, 2014, 11:03:18 AM
Locus' argument is very interesting to me.
He reads Rickert's mind perfectly and is like some kind of detective who interrogates a criminal. Rickert must be afraid of him.
Though he said he doesn't have any "hidden intentions", I think the way he goes about it is practically threatening. He watched Owen and Rickert when the latter said "I've known him since the Band of the Falcon were no better than bandits". Maybe he wants to warn Rickert to watch his mouth and change his attitude towards the Falcon. It remids me of the moment he went to meet Ganishka, and how he was with him.
He's really quite a cold character. When he justifies what Griffith did, he reminds me of Mozgus.
 
Title: Re: Episode 336
Post by: Walter on September 10, 2014, 12:30:00 PM
He reads Rickert's mind perfectly and is like some kind of detective who interrogates a criminal.

Yeah that is a cool aspect we get to see of him. His quickness at reading people. Makes him a good liaison.

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He watched Owen and Rickert when the latter said "I've known him since the Band of the Falcon were no better than bandits". Maybe he wants to warn Rickert to watch his mouth and change his attitude towards the Falcon.

Maybe, but when that line was delivered, it seemed pretty casual to me. Just two old war buddies reminiscing. I think from a storytelling perspective, Locus' function in this episode is to provide Rickert with the means to learn just how different Griffith is now.

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He's really quite a cold character. When he justifies what Griffith did, he reminds me of Mozgus.

I can see the relation, but Mozgus was almost comically fervent. Locus' devotion seems frightening by comparison.
Title: Re: Episode 336
Post by: Aazealh on September 10, 2014, 03:45:40 PM
Maybe, but when that line was delivered, it seemed pretty casual to me. Just two old war buddies reminiscing. I think from a storytelling perspective, Locus' function in this episode is to provide Rickert with the means to learn just how different Griffith is now.

I don't think that scene of Locus overhearing Rickert and Owen talk is innocuous.
Title: Re: Episode 336
Post by: Griffith on September 10, 2014, 06:53:44 PM
Though he said he doesn't have any "hidden intentions", I think the way he goes about it is practically threatening.

Agreed, all his friendly advice basically amounts to, "I don't know who you think you are, but it's our way or the hard way." I wonder if Griffith is going to be so frank or open with Rickert or if he'll play the good perfect cop and Rickert will just say all the right things too, peering over his shoulder for Locus and his creepy gaze.
Title: Re: Episode 336
Post by: puella on September 10, 2014, 07:47:55 PM
Maybe, but when that line was delivered, it seemed pretty casual to me. Just two old war buddies reminiscing. I think from a storytelling perspective, Locus' function in this episode is to provide Rickert with the means to learn just how different Griffith is now.

I think if it was just a casual talk, Locus wouldn't pay attention to them. The panel seems pretty meaningful to me.

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I can see the relation, but Mozgus was almost comically fervent. Locus' devotion seems frightening by comparison.

What I mean is that they're both putting on a show of "faith" and morality, appearing as devout followers to a noble cause, while they do cruel and vicious things. When Locus talks of an "uncompromising Utopia" while the two can see Volkov gutting an ogre, I was reminded of when Mozgus lead the poor woman with the dying babe to the torturing room, talking about "god".