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Title: Episode 337
Post by: Heiji on August 19, 2014, 10:24:37 AM
Title: 別離の橋 - The Bridge of Separation




Episode #337 will be not published in Young Animal #18 (12/09). So if there really is an episode in september, it will be in #19 (26/09).
Title: Re: Episode 337
Post by: Jarome on August 19, 2014, 02:11:51 PM
Thanks for the info, we'll be waiting patiently 'till then...  :judo:
Title: Re: Episode 337
Post by: NightCrawler on August 19, 2014, 04:39:59 PM
Ugh. I was actually eager for this one, for once.
Title: Re: Episode 337
Post by: Walter on August 19, 2014, 04:56:29 PM
Ugh. I was actually eager for this one, for once.

An extra two weeks = Ugh? That's chump change in terms of Berserk fan currency.
Title: Re: Episode 337
Post by: jackson_hurley on August 19, 2014, 05:44:09 PM
Ugh. I was actually eager for this one, for once.

I though you were hardened already for the waiting!  :guts:
Title: Re: Episode 337
Post by: NightCrawler on August 19, 2014, 06:09:07 PM
An extra two weeks = Ugh? That's chump change in terms of Berserk fan currency.

You're right. Just getting way too excited about the current events.
Title: Re: Episode 337
Post by: Oburi on August 28, 2014, 03:30:20 AM
You're right. Just getting way too excited about the current events.

I didn't even think you read Berserk anymore.
Title: Re: Episode 337
Post by: IncantatioN on September 03, 2014, 02:29:25 PM
New episode drops in less than a month, pretty excited.

It just struck me that the timing of the episode is perfect, aligned with the 25th anniversary of Berserk! Do you think YA will include something special to celebrate like they did when they published episode 307?
Title: Re: Episode 337
Post by: Aazealh on September 03, 2014, 02:39:16 PM
It just struck me that the timing of the episode is perfect, aligned with the 25th anniversary of Berserk! Do you think YA will include something special to celebrate like they did when they published episode 307?

If so I would expect them to market it in advance.
Title: Re: Episode 337
Post by: Walter on September 03, 2014, 05:35:45 PM
It just struck me that the timing of the episode is perfect, aligned with the 25th anniversary of Berserk!

As far as I know, October is the true 25th anniversary of Berserk. The first issue of Berserk was published in the October (#10) edition of Animal House in 1989. I suppose it's possible the October issue came out in September, but I have no way of knowing the actual street date for it, so I go by what's on the cover.

It's been on my radar for a while, back when I was creating new content for the Encyclopedia. I was trying to organize something for it. Maybe more on that later...

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Do you think YA will include something special to celebrate like they did when they published episode 307?

That'd be cool, but I think we'd have gotten notice of it by now if that were the case, like they did back for the 20th. That was a big to-do (http://www.skullknight.net/forum/index.php?topic=10790.0). But this time, all I'm expecting is maybe a mention by Miura in his comment.

PS: Why is there already a 337 thead...? Does anyone else think that's weird?
Title: Re: Episode 337
Post by: IncantatioN on September 03, 2014, 07:29:50 PM
Thanks for clearing that up guys. It's just one of those dates I remembered from viewing the 20th anniversary topic when I was new to the board. So it struck me when I checked this topic and saw the release date that almost coincided with the one for the 20th.

PS: Why is there already a 337 thead...? Does anyone else think that's weird?

Could be a good sign in terms of popularity for the series, in the sense, the more the popular a series is the sooner people find out when or what's in the next update, etc. I felt those previews for 336 came out much sooner than ones from recent history, but I could be wrong about that.
Title: Re: Episode 337
Post by: Heiji on September 09, 2014, 05:19:38 AM
Confirmation, episode #337 will be in Young Animal #19 (26/09). No color page.
Title: Re: Episode 337
Post by: RaffoBaffo on September 22, 2014, 02:59:32 PM
I just found this:

(http://i.imgur.com/9dxPjtV.jpg)
Title: Re: Episode 337
Post by: Walter on September 22, 2014, 03:09:45 PM
How typical... people are more interested in the date of the next episode than its actual content.
Title: Re: Episode 337
Post by: RaffoBaffo on September 22, 2014, 03:14:22 PM
How typical... people are more interested in the date of the next episode than its actual content.
Well, that's not my case, i posted this just 'cause I found only this  :SK:
Title: Re: Episode 337
Post by: Walter on September 22, 2014, 03:16:40 PM
Well, that's not my case, i posted this just 'cause I found only this  :SK:

I didn't mean you specifically. It's a trend of the people with advanced knowledge of the episodes. We just get the date and little more.

Unfortunately this image is pretty worthless by itself. The italicized text at the end of the episodes is written by the publisher, not Miura. So it's rarely of any story value.
Title: Re: Episode 337
Post by: Aazealh on September 22, 2014, 05:24:51 PM
Unfortunately this image is pretty worthless by itself. The italicized text at the end of the episodes is written by the publisher, not Miura. So it's rarely of any story value.

I think in this specific case the guy meant it to be a teaser though. The text says that Rickert bravely spoke his mind to the absolute ruler. He was a real man, he didn't bend down.

So it's as it should be: in spite of Locus' little intimidation show and of what he has to lose (Erica...), Rickert stayed true to himself.

P.S. An observation from that picture: what kind of structure is he standing on? Are those blossoms falling? Could it be a branch (of a branch of a branch) of the world spiral tree? The text also says that Griffith masters even plants.
Title: Re: Episode 337
Post by: Rupert Sinclair on September 22, 2014, 05:56:43 PM
The text says that Rickert bravely spoke his mind to the absolute ruler. He was a real man, he didn't bend down.

This is awesome.   :ubik:
Title: Re: Episode 337
Post by: Oburi on September 22, 2014, 06:08:54 PM
The world spiral tree must connect directly into Griffiths Kingdom somewhere. Easy access for when The Moonlight Boy travels around. Possibly giving Guts a way in IF he can find a way to use it.

I'm getting way carried away here.
Title: Re: Episode 337
Post by: Walter on September 22, 2014, 06:23:41 PM
I think in this specific case the guy meant it to be a teaser though. The text says that Rickert bravely spoke his mind to the absolute ruler. He was a real man, he didn't bend down.

Sheesh... The one time that text actually ends up being meaningful, and I call it out.   :farnese:

Well, this is a fantastic development, and honestly not one I completely expected. I figured Rickert would be silently critical. It's great to hear that he didn't back down despite the spectacle of Falconia. What a cool kid, growing up in the shadow of personalities like Guts and Griffith, yet in the end forging his own path.

I wonder if Rickert will end up asking him a pointed question? This is exciting stuff!

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The text also says that Griffith masters even plants.
:magni: @=>>=========
Title: Re: Episode 337
Post by: jackson_hurley on September 22, 2014, 06:40:53 PM
Crap! My week is gonna long to pass knowing there's a great episode coming. I might be totally off track since I can't check my episodes right now, but did Rickert had this "little bandage" or wtv you want to call it on his legs last time? I know it's a pointless question on details but I got curious... Enough rambling let's go back to waiting patiently for a new episode of my bible. (re-reading it these days too. vol 6 woot! woot!)
Title: Re: Episode 337
Post by: Aazealh on September 22, 2014, 07:02:51 PM
I might be totally off track since I can't check my episodes right now, but did Rickert had this "little bandage" or wtv you want to call it on his legs last time?

Yes he did. It's part of his clothing.
Title: Re: Episode 337
Post by: IncantatioN on September 22, 2014, 07:16:20 PM
Thanks for the preview Raffo and that translation, Aaz.

It'll be a little over 150 episodes since Griffith and Rickert shared the same space (!) and based on that preview, we have a general idea of the direction of his reply to Griffith's invitation to join him back. Few more days till we get to read the complete conversation, GODDAMNIT. It'll be hard to predict what Griffith's reaction would be without knowing the full context but assuming Rickert sees through him and refuses to join, think Griffith isn't going to care and leave him alone (because he's a mere human with no real threat to him acting alone or perhaps there's a little sense of nostalgia associated with him being a living member the original band of the hawk) or he could kill him off? I don't see Griffith killing him, it'as just a thought that came to me ... it'll take away from/ question his 'good' image in the eyes of Raban or Owen who Rickert's interacted with thus far.
Title: Re: Episode 337
Post by: Rhombaad on September 22, 2014, 08:30:43 PM
Rickert is less of a threat than Guts (who Femto hasn't bothered with since his incarnation, aside from his conversation with him on the Hill of Swords), so I think Femto will leave him alone.

I can't wait to read this episode.
Title: Re: Episode 337
Post by: Devilwoman on September 23, 2014, 01:41:12 AM
Wow nice preview. I wonder what those blossoms are, or maybe it's pieces of paper from that letter he was given. Maybe he destroyed it. I really want to see Rickert stand up to his principles and not join the new band of the Hawk.
Title: Re: Episode 337
Post by: Tama on September 23, 2014, 04:17:32 AM
Even more excited for the upcoming episode now, Go Rickert!  :ubik:
Title: Re: Episode 337
Post by: DragonSlayer24 on September 23, 2014, 04:33:03 AM
I would like Rickert to stand up against Femto during their conversation. And later have Rickert trying to leave Falconia with Erika, but being stopped by Locus; and saying along the lines of "you know too much you can't leave." But, I doubt anything like that will happen.

How long do you guys think we will be in Falconia before we see Guts again?
Title: Re: Episode 337
Post by: EeXerO on September 23, 2014, 08:13:30 AM
This episode sounds so great, I can't wait to see what Rickert says to Femto.

I wonder what those blossoms are, or maybe it's pieces of paper from that letter he was given.
I really like this idea!
Title: Re: Episode 337
Post by: NightCrawler on September 23, 2014, 11:31:26 AM
The text also says that Griffith masters even plants.

TMI.
Title: Re: Episode 337
Post by: Aazealh on September 23, 2014, 01:37:47 PM
How long do you guys think we will be in Falconia before we see Guts again?

Not very long.
Title: Re: Episode 337
Post by: Walter on September 23, 2014, 01:49:50 PM
How long do you guys think we will be in Falconia before we see Guts again?

I think we've reached the conclusion of this tour through Falconia. Rickert did what he set out to do a few episodes ago. If it's not over yet, then I think at most, one more episode to set things up for the future.
Title: Re: Episode 337
Post by: Griffith on September 23, 2014, 10:10:15 PM
I think in this specific case the guy meant it to be a teaser though. The text says that Rickert bravely spoke his mind to the absolute ruler. He was a real man, he didn't bend down.

So it's as it should be: in spite of Locus' little intimidation show and of what he has to lose (Erica...), Rickert stayed true to himself.

(http://www.skullknight.net/griffith/griffcry.jpg)

Now that's exciting! I hope Rickert really lays some Emperor's New Clothes style truth to power on him, "This isn't our dream... you betrayed it for a fantasy.". In a perfect world this would actually get to Griffith/Femto, hearing it from someone that was once truly close to him; unfortunately, that may only be manifested like, "...You were right, Locus, this guy is a problem! :femto:"

The text also says that Griffith masters even plants.

(http://www.skullknight.net/griffith/Gutsman.jpg)   (http://www.skullknight.net/griffith/ivy.jpg)
Title: Re: Episode 337
Post by: Skeleton on September 23, 2014, 11:46:36 PM
Until shown otherwise I'm assuming they're talking about Griffith having control over the world spiral tree only.  But if that's not the case I wonder if, and if so how, Griffith's ability to control plants affects the spirits of the plants like Chich.
Title: Re: Episode 337
Post by: Walter on September 24, 2014, 12:10:34 AM
Until shown otherwise I'm assuming they're talking about Griffith having control over the world spiral tree only.  But if that's not the case I wonder if, and if so how, Griffith's ability to control plants affects the spirits of the plants like Chich.

This has been my guess, since reading the plant note. The world spiral tree is rather unique. His control over it could be a result of the tree's possible connection to a deeper, darker realm. One that the God Hand have power over.
Title: Re: Episode 337
Post by: jackson_hurley on September 24, 2014, 03:41:37 AM
This has been my guess, since reading the plant note. The world spiral tree is rather unique. His control over it could be a result of the tree's possible connection to a deeper, darker realm. One that the God Hand have power over.

This makes me wonder even more if Griffith/Femto (can i just say Griffith since he's in his "griffith form?) is aware of his little trip in the tree. Except of course if the moonlight boy and griffith are two separate entities (which i dont think so)
Title: Re: Episode 337
Post by: Walter on September 24, 2014, 01:11:47 PM
This makes me wonder even more if Griffith/Femto (can i just say Griffith sine he's in his "griffith form?) is aware of his little trip in the tree. Except of course if the moonlight boy and griffith are two separate entities (which i dont think so)

There's no way we can know yet, but because of Zodd's involvement in the past, I tend to think Griffith is aware of those little episodes.
Title: Re: Episode 337
Post by: RaffoBaffo on September 24, 2014, 05:52:05 PM
(http://109.imagebam.com/download/Ux20M2bXXYtD4DtbW3Wu8Q/35341/353401295/5odawbImDU.jpg)

(http://109.imagebam.com/download/QDDSnMmaYFvkmq7s3EAa0Q/35341/353401303/7LWnvBieWN.jpg)

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(http://110.imagebam.com/download/lBKdM_5sDbgcakVZGK0fRw/35341/353401318/FrjJNQ3j2L.jpg)

(http://110.imagebam.com/download/lXb-K980lifI5WOl_rquiA/35341/353401323/H0j2Vi4oR9.jpg)

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Title: Re: Episode 337
Post by: Mangetsu on September 24, 2014, 05:56:34 PM
HOLY FUCKING SHIT

(http://v.cdn.vine.co/r/avatars/265BB7B8BE1087238695960072192_21b328c39c3.0.3.jpg?versionId=d3iWzjlgpVX8vVAd2zDTeCvDO2CQSigG)
Title: Re: Episode 337
Post by: Rupert Sinclair on September 24, 2014, 06:02:26 PM
That's the best thing I've ever seen, in the series and in my life.  Holy shit.
Title: Re: Episode 337
Post by: Tama on September 24, 2014, 06:07:27 PM
Wow... never expected Rickert to do that, can't wait to hear a translation of what's being said!  :isidro:
Title: Re: Episode 337
Post by: m on September 24, 2014, 06:10:44 PM

There really is no other way of putting it: Holy Shit!  :isidro: I can't wait to see the full episode.
Title: Re: Episode 337
Post by: puppet12ca on September 24, 2014, 06:13:22 PM
Rickert's special attack the "Divine Bitchslap"

in all seriousness though that was awesome made my day I'm drooling for the whole episode now
Title: Re: Episode 337
Post by: TheBranded1 on September 24, 2014, 06:15:29 PM
Grail!  You were pretty close with your doddle as to what Rickert just did. Must be in the lines of " yes, I killed your friends and I don't care" .
Title: Re: Episode 337
Post by: jackson_hurley on September 24, 2014, 06:27:06 PM
Jesus Christ! I almost dropped my I-pod seeing this preview. Really can't wait to see the whole thing. And as Ruppert says : this might gonna be one of my favorite moments. Now to see Griffth's reaction/answer to that discussion. I'll bet he's gonna be as cold as when he talked to Guts on the hill of swords...

On a side note, I'm very curious to see the picture where we see the episode numbering. The background got me very very curious.
Title: Re: Episode 337
Post by: Walter on September 24, 2014, 06:43:52 PM
My reaction: HOLY SHIT!  :isidro:

Looks like Sonia is criticizing Charlotte's cooking (or tea?) again, much to the chagrin of Mule.

My unauthoritative take on what Rickert says to him: You're the leader of the Falcons, not the Falcon of Light. I love Rickert's expression here too. It's both exasperated and pitiful at the same time.

On a side note, I'm very curious to see the picture where we see the episode numbering. The background got me very very curious.

Looks like they're in a garden. And with the appearance of Sonia and Mule, makes me wonder if this meeting is happening in Pandemonium or back in the main palace.
Title: Re: Episode 337
Post by: Oburi on September 24, 2014, 06:51:56 PM
WOW.  :ubik: Bravo Rickert! I think we know what a Rickert emoticon would have to be if one is ever to be made. *slap*

I expected some type of emotional response in front of Griffith but I honestly didn't seriously consider Griffith being struck. The stern look on Rickert's face is actually heartbreaking, it's about all he can do for his dead comrades and I'm sure he knows it. What's more unsettling is his facial expression after...

But first I need to take a second so that the fanboy in me can give props to Rickert.
"CAN YOU BELIEVE THE BALLS ON THIS KID"
(http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/280x200q90/538/tbuLI4.jpg) (http://imageshack.com/f/eytbuLI4j)
Title: Re: Episode 337
Post by: ApostleBob on September 24, 2014, 06:59:57 PM
Wow.  My guess is that Griffith will barely react or perhaps even admit that he understands why Rickert is angry, but that it was all necessary for world peace (or some such bullshit)
Title: Re: Episode 337
Post by: Griffith on September 24, 2014, 07:02:05 PM
HOLY FUCKING SHIT

Holy shit.

There really is no other way of putting it: Holy Shit!  :isidro:

My reaction: HOLY SHIT!  :isidro:

Just to add to the consensus I literally involuntarily exclaimed, "Holy shit!" when I saw that, and I'm at work. Go Rickert!
Title: Re: Episode 337
Post by: jackson_hurley on September 24, 2014, 07:12:01 PM
Now will the slap come first in the conversation and then some explaining? Or explanations followed by and uncontrollable slap?! This is exciting!
Title: Re: Episode 337
Post by: Devilwoman on September 24, 2014, 07:13:19 PM
Holy moly. My eyes must be deceiving me. Rickert slapping Griffith?

Hands down best panel we've had in a while. Rickert is the man. :ubik:
Title: Re: Episode 337
Post by: Aazealh on September 24, 2014, 07:17:06 PM
Episode title is "The Bridge of Separation".

Looks like Sonia is criticizing Charlotte's cooking (or tea?) again, much to the chagrin of Mule.

Yep, she's picking on everything.

My unauthoritative take on what Rickert says to him: You're the leader of the Falcons, not the Falcon of Light.

He tells him that the leader (of the Band of the Falcon) isn't the Falcon of Light. Depending on the other panels, "leader" could be meant in that sentence as a replacement for "you", as in "you aren't the Falcon of Light".
Title: Re: Episode 337
Post by: Salem on September 24, 2014, 07:26:51 PM
Oh my goodness.  The bitch slap we've all been waiting for.  Wonder of at the end griff turns ol' ricky to mush.   Jk, but how exciting! !
Title: Re: Episode 337
Post by: XionHorsey on September 24, 2014, 07:49:25 PM
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Wonder of at the end griff turns ol' ricky to mush.

I seriously doubt it. People keep talking about Rickert being killed, but I don't see it. There's no good reason to kill him.
Title: Re: Episode 337
Post by: Jaze1618 on September 24, 2014, 07:53:47 PM
But.. but.. but.. he's less a man and more a magnificient painting, never to be touched.  :femto:
Title: Re: Episode 337
Post by: Aazealh on September 24, 2014, 09:03:05 PM
But.. but.. but.. he's less a man and more a magnificient painting, never to be touched.  :femto:

I hope poor Ganishka could see it from wherever he is now.
Title: Re: Episode 337
Post by: Rhombaad on September 24, 2014, 09:04:16 PM
Holy crap! (See what I did there?) I was expecting harsh words from Rickert, but I never expected him to slap Femto. I wouldn't be surprised if the panels after the slap in the preview don't take place beforehand. What could a slap possibly do to a member of the God Hand? I can't imagine Femto giving two shits about it, so his neutral expression makes sense.

"The leader of the Band (of the Falcon) isn't the Falcon of Light." Wow. The pain in Rickert's face is heartbreaking. I can't wait to see the rest of the episode.
Title: Re: Episode 337
Post by: Jaze1618 on September 24, 2014, 09:08:33 PM
OMG, just imagine if Femto gave Rickert a throwback to that same bloody lipped, sociopathic grin,  that Griffith gave count Julius after his smack to the face in the beginning of volume 6.
Title: Re: Episode 337
Post by: + _I-WENT-BERSERK _+ on September 24, 2014, 09:13:07 PM
I haven't read  Ep. 336 yet, but Rickert...your ARE the man. And I'll also pitch in my dose of "Holy shit!!" but best news I've heard all day. Though, I am curious for Erica at that point and what will happen next? :???:

I also thought of this when I saw Rickert giving Griffith the Divine Bitchslap. Couldn't resist! XD
(http://rs1img.memecdn.com/bitch-slap_fb_1297269.jpg)
Title: Re: Episode 337
Post by: Griffith on September 24, 2014, 09:24:16 PM
Now will the slap come first in the conversation and then some explaining? Or explanations followed by and uncontrollable slap?! This is exciting!

I'm guessing Rickert is going to try to appeal to Griffith's humanity and it's going to be more of Griff's cold tone deaf bullshit about their dream and being the falcon blah blah blah that brings on the slap. Think back to when he told Guts that standing on what amounted to the Falcons' graves was an appropriate reunion. This could be Rickert's, "Never say that name again!" moment.

But.. but.. but.. he's less a man and more a magnificient painting, never to be touched.  :femto:

Yeah, that's kind of interesting, actually. You'd think that despite the proximity Rickert would pull a Revenge of the Nerds style high five miss and spin around onto his ass. Maybe that's not an impact but a tiny air explosion off Griffith's cheek ever so slightly deflecting the would-be blow. Nah. =)

I hope poor Ganishka could see it from wherever he is now.

If only :guts: could see it (<-- pretty sure he'd look like that =).
Title: Re: Episode 337
Post by: jackson_hurley on September 24, 2014, 09:51:27 PM
I'm guessing Rickert is going to try to appeal to Griffith's humanity and it's going to be more of Griff's cold tone deaf bullshit about their dream and being the falcon blah blah blah that brings on the slap. Think back to when he told Guts that standing on what amounted to the Falcons' graves was an appropriate reunion. This could be Rickert's, "Never say that name again!" moment.


Yes I'm quite sure he's gonna use a speech of that kind. "like I told you on the hill of swords, I'm just chasing the dream. bla bla bla."

We'll see soon enough how it turns out.
Title: Re: Episode 337
Post by: Walter on September 24, 2014, 11:20:54 PM
Episode title is "The Bridge of Separation."

Ominous. Could be that the major action happens on the bridge, or maybe it's allegorical?

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He tells him that the leader (of the Band of the Falcon) isn't the Falcon of Light. Depending on the other panels, "leader" could be meant in that sentence as a replacement for "you", as in "you aren't the Falcon of Light".

While we don't have the full context yet, this is one of the more heartbreaking moments in recent memory for me, when you consider the meaning behind these words. He's lamenting the loss of his old leader, who got caught up in something bigger than humans. The old Griffith is truly gone.
Title: Re: Episode 337
Post by: Mr. Waffles on September 24, 2014, 11:29:37 PM
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Quote from: Mangetsu on Today at 05:56:34 PM

    HOLY FUCKING SHIT


Quote from: Rupert Sinclair on Today at 06:02:26 PM

    Holy shit.


Quote from: m on Today at 06:10:44 PM

    There really is no other way of putting it: Holy Shit!  :isidro:


Quote from: Walter on Today at 06:43:52 PM

    My reaction: HOLY SHIT!  :isidro:

Quote from: Griffith on Today at 07:02:05 PM

Just to add to the consensus I literally involuntarily exclaimed, "Holy shit!" when I saw that, and I'm at work. Go Rickert!

Divine fornicating excrement!
Title: Re: Episode 337
Post by: Scorpio on September 24, 2014, 11:32:03 PM
So we can continue keeping an accurate tally- I too exclaimed Holy Shit! Just, wow.
Title: Re: Episode 337
Post by: Oburi on September 24, 2014, 11:36:32 PM
This is the first time we've seen Griffith incarnate allow a blow against himself. That slap (for what its worth) is more than Guts or anybody has been able to get.
Title: Re: Episode 337
Post by: Walter on September 24, 2014, 11:49:12 PM
This is the first time we've seen Griffith incarnate allow a blow against himself. That slap (for what its worth) is more than Guts or anybody has been able to get.

Of course that's true, but this is hardly a combat scenario.
Title: Re: Episode 337
Post by: jackson_hurley on September 25, 2014, 12:01:03 AM
Of course that's true, but this is hardly a combat scenario.

That would have indeed been strange if Rickert's slap had miss due to Griffith's power as with the arrows in vol. 22

ps: I also think Griffith is allowing Rickert that slap in some way. As in a fake "I deserved it but I still don't care..." might be wrong on that assumption though.
Title: Re: Episode 337
Post by: Skeleton on September 25, 2014, 12:29:41 AM
Rickert's eyes are so full of emotion in that close-up shot.  Miura truly is a master of his craft.

I can't remember the last time I wanted something as badly as I want to see Griffith's reaction to the slap.
Title: Re: Episode 337
Post by: Gobolatula on September 25, 2014, 12:32:30 AM
Quote from: Rickert
(http://110.imagebam.com/download/lBKdM_5sDbgcakVZGK0fRw/35341/353401318/FrjJNQ3j2L.jpg)
(http://www.gobolatula.com/myman.gif)
Title: Re: Episode 337
Post by: Delta Phi on September 25, 2014, 12:43:06 AM
HOLY FUCKING SHIT

That's the best thing I've ever seen, in the series and in my life.  Holy shit.

There really is no other way of putting it: Holy Shit!  :isidro: I can't wait to see the full episode.

My reaction: HOLY SHIT!  :isidro:

Just to add to the consensus I literally involuntarily exclaimed, "Holy shit!" when I saw that, and I'm at work. Go Rickert!

Holy crap! (See what I did there?)

So we can continue keeping an accurate tally- I too exclaimed Holy Shit! Just, wow.

First, I audibly gasped (don't remember the last time I did that…), and then I uttered "Holy shit". So add me to the tally.

Ho-ly shit. I cannot wait for this episode.
Title: Re: Episode 337
Post by: IncantatioN on September 25, 2014, 12:50:28 AM
Didn't expect it to get physical, WHAT A MOMENT! Thanks for the preview and translations, guys. It'll be interesting to see if they were alone when it happens or there's a witness to it. Also, you think Griffith allowed himself to get slapped ... cos he could have stopped Rickert's hand or something, I think.
Title: Re: Episode 337
Post by: DragonSlayer24 on September 25, 2014, 03:23:23 AM
Divine bitchslap! My man Rickert standing up for himself, hell yes! :guts:
Title: Re: Episode 337
Post by: Nymoath on September 25, 2014, 03:25:43 AM
 :isidro: :isidro: Holy [whatever that four-letter word is]!

This is more than epic!
Title: Re: Episode 337
Post by: Maxwell on September 25, 2014, 03:51:59 AM
Absolutely fantastic, i wasn't expecting that to happen. Thinking back to how Rickert was just a small boy when Guts first joined the Band of The Falcon to now slapping Griffith, the Falcon of Light, the absolute ruler. So awesome yet so sad.. what a panel. :ubik:

I also can't wait to see what that possible garden around them looks like.  :???:
Title: Re: Episode 337
Post by: Aazealh on September 25, 2014, 07:37:20 AM
Ominous. Could be that the major action happens on the bridge, or maybe it's allegorical?

Looks like it's set on a little bridge over a stream in the garden.

I also think Griffith is allowing Rickert that slap in some way.

Of course.

Thinking back to how Rickert was just a small boy when Guts first joined the Band of The Falcon to now slapping Griffith, the Falcon of Light, the absolute ruler.

It's because he's known him since he was a boy that he could react like that. That's why it makes sense.
Title: Re: Episode 337
Post by: ryOtoha on September 25, 2014, 09:36:31 AM
I suppose Griffith allowing this, there's no chance, somebody (or something) will know this ever happen and that's also why this particular moment will remain a major event. I'm very eager to know where exactly it took place.

But what if Rakshas or another being witnessed the (legendary) slap ? What can it trigger except the obvious ?
Title: Re: Episode 337
Post by: puella on September 25, 2014, 11:30:44 AM
So is "holy shit" a subtitle for this episode? :serpico:
I didn't expect Rickert to bend down to Griffith, but because of Erica I also didn't think he'd be that daring!
He doesn't mind risking his life but he does care about her and her well-being. Maybe he didn't care about anything at that moment?
Also, I liked that he slapped Griffith's face instead of punching him (like Guts would have done). I think it's more humiliating, and more appropriate for what Griffith did.

I hope we won't see Rickert impaled on Locus' spear in the next episode...

He tells him that the leader (of the Band of the Falcon) isn't the Falcon of Light. Depending on the other panels, "leader" could be meant in that sentence as a replacement for "you", as in "you aren't the Falcon of Light".
I personally think "you're not the Falcon of Light" sounds the best for that line. Direct, concise, cold and cool.
Title: Re: Episode 337
Post by: Truder on September 25, 2014, 12:00:53 PM
I suppose i'm late to the party here, but my immediate reaction was also "holy shit!"

I think its like Jaze1618 said, Griffith is like a work of art that should never be touched. and i think thats why everybody has a similar reaction. this is the first time you see Griffith harmed (and in such a disrespectful manner too) ever since he became Femto. everything Griffith/Femto did was so elegant and for a moment i thought he was literally untouchable in this manner.

Griffith has been struck similarly before, (http://i1012.photobucket.com/albums/af243/Truder7/img000014_zps6db4ee26.png) but rickert's action seem so unthinkable to me compared to last time.

This episode will be an interesting one! :beast:
Title: Re: Episode 337
Post by: ryOtoha on September 25, 2014, 12:32:44 PM
I liked that he slapped Griffith's face instead of punching him (like Guts would have done). I think it's more humiliating, and more appropriate for what Griffith did.

True and it makes more sense since Rickert had always being pictured as a well mannered person and a tender boy.
Title: Re: Episode 337
Post by: NightCrawler on September 25, 2014, 01:18:26 PM
He's lamenting the loss of his old leader, who got caught up in something bigger than humans. The old Griffith is truly gone.

That's why for me the impact of this scene doesn't reach the importance it deserves. Griffith at this point is stuck in terms of his character development. He's basically Dr. Manhattan or Charles Xavier. Writers tend to limit these sort of characters by taking away their powers or put them in the background as much as possible. It would work if he was in the shadows like the rest of the God Hand.
Basically as a "deity", what does this petty dream of a kingdom mean anymore? He's got it all. But this is not Griffith anymore. So what practicality does this achieved dream has for him? For Femto? World dominion? A part of a bigger plot of the God Hand (who never seemed to have any ulterior motives of themselves)?

I agree that this is definitely a defining moment for Rickert, but not much else. I'd be extremely surprised if Griffith reacts any differently than what we all expect him to.
Title: Re: Episode 337
Post by: Walter on September 25, 2014, 01:31:32 PM
That's why for me the impact of this scene doesn't reach the importance it deserves. Griffith at this point is stuck in terms of his character development. He's basically Dr. Manhattan or Charles Xavier. Writers tend to limit these sort of characters by taking away their powers or put them in the background as much as possible. It would work if he was in the shadows like the rest of the God Hand.

Not sure I follow you. There's a kind of sadness in that Griffith is no longer human, just as there was for Dr. Manhattan.

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Basically as a "deity", what does this petty dream of a kingdom mean anymore? He's got it all. But this is not Griffith anymore. So what practicality does this achieved dream has for him? For Femto? World dominion? A part of a bigger plot of the God Hand (who never seemed to have any ulterior motives of themselves)?

The kingdom has always been merely a symbol. In achieving his goal, he also changed the world, allowing for the next stage of whatever the God Hand have planned. The so-called age of darkness.

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I agree that this is definitely a defining moment for Rickert, but not much else. I'd be extremely surprised if Griffith reacts any differently than what we all expect him to.

I don't even really care about Griffith's reaction. There's nothing left inside him for this to resonate with. This is more about Rickert realizing his old friend is truly gone, and this husk is now the leader of the new world.
Title: Re: Episode 337
Post by: ZODDOII on September 25, 2014, 02:53:35 PM
Unbelievable~ that is unbelievable, that boy just slap god himself,ha ha... He is not boy anymore

It's shock  :SK: :zodd: :ganishka: :guts:


Title: Re: Episode 337
Post by: Griffith on September 25, 2014, 03:34:31 PM
Griffith at this point is stuck in terms of his character development. He's basically Dr. Manhattan or Charles Xavier. Writers tend to limit these sort of characters by taking away their powers or put them in the background as much as possible. It would work if he was in the shadows like the rest of the God Hand.
Basically as a "deity", what does this petty dream of a kingdom mean anymore? He's got it all. But this is not Griffith anymore. So what practicality does this achieved dream has for him?
I don't even really care about Griffith's reaction. There's nothing left inside him for this to resonate with. This is more about Rickert realizing his old friend is truly gone, and this husk is now the leader of the new world.

I'm going to go ahead and... disagree with you there (and you guys should probably tell Miura you're basically discarding the main antagonist to his story =). I know you're getting this all from the big book of Berserk science in the God Hand incarnate chapter, but this certainty in defining the limits of Griffith's character is still rather presumptuous (and worst of all, boring as you allege, Nightcrawler). For one, from a literary standpoint Griffith is still playing the part of Griffith, so we don't need to get too existential with all the, "Griffith's not here, man" stuff. Secondly, if you wanna get all, "What a God Hand Demon King incarnated wants or is or isn't or can be" there's plenty of conflicting information on this particular one. From the get go the Hill of Swords encounter showed that it's not so cut and dry, thankfully. Griffith's not simply a automation, though he acts that way most times, even if he was just Femto in a Griff mask he wouldn't be that, but it's even more complicated. Between what's left of his ego and memories within Femto (remember, even Femto is an extension of Griffith), and Guts' and Casca's child/The Moonlight Boy, and whatever being incarnated into a physical vessel again changes besides that (if anything), he's quite complicated mess, and I don't think it's our place to oversimplify that or get dogmatic about a fluid situation (frustratingly static as it may seem). Anyway, don't take his not being the old human Griffith for him not being Griffith anymore. He's still the character Griffith, more or less (I'd say more actually), for all intents and purposes. To think otherwise is indeed sad, but I don't think it's accurate either.

The kingdom has always been merely a symbol. In achieving his goal, he also changed the world, allowing for the next stage of whatever the God Hand have planned. The so-called age of darkness.

What's interesting about that is that he had already changed the order of the world, at least by his Golden Rule thesis, but the Kingdom represented the ultimate achievable shake up, a commoner putting himself on the throne through sheer force of will. Now he's literally changing the nature of the universe, so... to elaborate on Nightcrawler's question, he's really overachieved, and whatever his original goal was, he's discovered why he even thought he was meant for such things in the first place, and that he's more than that.
Title: Re: Episode 337
Post by: Aazealh on September 25, 2014, 05:40:40 PM
That's why for me the impact of this scene doesn't reach the importance it deserves. Griffith at this point is stuck in terms of his character development. He's basically Dr. Manhattan or Charles Xavier.

You know, reading this sentence, what came to mind was that maybe you were the one stuck in the past. What I mean is that we've known about Griffith's state for a long time now, almost ever since the incarnation itself. We know that he's Femto, that he's not the old Griffith. In fact, seeing the preview had me thinking back to Guts' words to Rickert about him not being the Griffith he once knew. I think that's one of the main things Rickert will acknowledge in this episode.

But at the same time, I believe you're short-changing the character here. I don't think the comparison with Dr. Manhattan is really appropriate (and I don't agree with your view of Dr. Manhattan's character development either), but aside from that, the fact we've been almost completely kept out of Griffith's mind and true motives has made his every move all the more intriguing and exhilarating. You say his character development is stuck, but the way I view it, Miura's been purposely keeping us out of it. We've seen Griffith almost exclusively from an outside point of view, through the eyes of others. As he's seen by the blind (or not so blind) masses. And I don't view that as a waste of time, or as a misstep in his portrayal. It's helped establish the legendary, untouchable status he now holds. Which is why having Rickert slap him feels so tremendous to people (see the reactions in the thread).

One more thing: we've only seen a preview of the episode. I wouldn't be so quick to judge before seeing the full thing.

Basically as a "deity", what does this petty dream of a kingdom mean anymore? He's got it all. But this is not Griffith anymore. So what practicality does this achieved dream has for him? For Femto? World dominion? A part of a bigger plot of the God Hand (who never seemed to have any ulterior motives of themselves)?

Well, isn't it extremely interesting in and of itself to actually learn how Griffith feels about this? And what he wants? Because this isn't even the dream he used to have at all. People seem to forget that. Falconia isn't just a revamped version of Wyndham and Griffith isn't just a king. You're phrasing those questions as if it shows how Griffith's character isn't interesting anymore, but to me they're precisely what still makes him interesting.

I agree that this is definitely a defining moment for Rickert, but not much else. I'd be extremely surprised if Griffith reacts any differently than what we all expect him to.

I agree that this slap is a more important moment for Rickert as a character than it is for Griffith. However we have yet to see the full episode, and I again would be cautious about jumping to conclusions regarding the rest of it. Anyway, I don't remember anyone predicting that Rickert would try to slap him, or that Griffith would allow himself to be slapped (which I think is a big enough deal on its own). So, personally, what are you expecting Griffith to do?

(remember, even Femto is an extension of Griffith)

I don't think it's fair to say he's just an extension of Griffith. I like how they put it during the Eclipse: a rebirth. Griffith was reborn as a different being, which is why his name changed. Someone familiar yet different. And after all this time, after all we've seen of him even after his incarnation (which all things considered is not very much, amounting mostly to public appearances), we still know very little about what he really is like.
Title: Re: Episode 337
Post by: Griffith on September 25, 2014, 07:33:11 PM
I don't think it's fair to say he's just an extension of Griffith. I like how they put it during the Eclipse: a rebirth. Griffith was reborn as a different being, which is why his name changed. Someone familiar yet different. And after all this time, after all we've seen of him even after his incarnation (which all things considered is not very much, amounting mostly to public appearances), we still know very little about what he really is like.

Yeah, we really don't know yet, that's why it bugs me when we limit the possibilities, because that is what's interesting about him right now. And my point with the "extension" line was to emphasize that Femto in part came from him in the first place; the thread, however changed, still runs through. He's gone through a metamorphosis, but it's not like his body was simply used as a vessel for some unrelated pre-existing demon entity. Or, to put it another way, we should not be reading the story like that character died and this is some other character merely impersonating him now. To put it the best way, this isn't like Jason Voorhees in Friday the 13th V when it was really a copycat Jason killer, but more like VI on when it was the revived/undead extra evil Jason. This is extra evil Griffith, but not less Griffith. When you think of it that way, it's a lot more interesting. :zodd: :femto:
Title: Re: Episode 337
Post by: NightCrawler on September 25, 2014, 08:22:01 PM
Maybe i do have a different perspective because i read it in chunks and not episodically like most of you. I didn't have nice things to say about some parts of the Millennium Falcon Arc (and i guess i'll be always known by that around these parts), but my interest slowly grew back around the Falconia chapter.
What i wrote in my previous post just after mentioning Manhattan and Xavier has more to do with the later. I used the example of Dr. Manhattan thinking to myself that i don't expect Miura to make Griffith go on soliloquies about his life and the ones around him (which seemed to me like one of the obvious ways to go with a "deity" type character).
Anyway, I want to agree with Griffith's post which seems idealistic, but so far i'm not seeing the same, but i believe the greatest challenge in Berserk's story lies with the future development of Griffith. Miura is probably hiding his inner growth from us, but after all that the character has done, how is he going to interact with all around him that might make a case for his development as a character, and not just as feedback for the other characters?
He, and the task achieved by him are just too grandiose, of such magnitude that it makes any transition to Guts party like going from google earth fully zoomed out to street view. He seems less and less of a dynamic antagonist and more of archetypical super villain, where only others with major super powers can have a glimpse of his vulnerability.
Griffith's conflicting nature was only presented in the Hill of Swords scene and that was many volumes ago, Miura planted a seed there, but so far it only served to ground him a bit more in reality. That whole thing in retrospect seems to be so far away now, that i can't even grasp how much Miura has to thread to connect the dots again. Maybe the first step was done on this episode.

To put it the best way, this isn't like Jason Voorhees in Friday the 13th V when it was really a copycat Jason killer, but more like VI on when it was the revived/undead extra evil Jason. This is extra evil Griffith, but not less Griffith. When you think of it that way, it's a lot more interesting. :zodd: :femto:

Like Locke on Lost? :iva:
Title: Re: Episode 337
Post by: Vaati on September 25, 2014, 09:02:09 PM
He, and the task achieved by him are just too grandiose, of such magnitude that it makes any transition to Guts party like going from google earth fully zoomed out to street view. He seems less and less of a dynamic antagonist and more of archetypical super villain, where only others with major super powers can have a glimpse of his vulnerability.
Griffith's conflicting nature was only presented in the Hill of Swords scene and that was many volumes ago, Miura planted a seed there, but so far it only served to ground him a bit more in reality. That whole thing in retrospect seems to be so far away now, that i can't even grasp how much Miura has to thread to connect the dots again. Maybe the first step was done on this episode.

It doesn't matter how many volumes ago the Hill of Swords was though. Everything that was presented in the Hill of Swords is still relevant when understanding who Griffith is. I love the fact that Griffith is an amalgamation and I think because of that he is not invulnerable. Griffith is still really ambiguous, so I think it's way too hard to conclude too much about him still.

Also, I was trying to avoid any spoilers for this episode but couldn't help myself! I can't wait to read the full thing and see how awesome Rickert is.  :badbone:
Title: Re: Episode 337
Post by: Griffith on September 25, 2014, 09:49:16 PM
He seems less and less of a dynamic antagonist and more of archetypical super villain, where only others with major super powers can have a glimpse of his vulnerability.

Even Skully basically got mocked.

Griffith's conflicting nature was only presented in the Hill of Swords scene and that was many volumes ago, Miura planted a seed there, but so far it only served to ground him a bit more in reality. That whole thing in retrospect seems to be so far away now, that i can't even grasp how much Miura has to thread to connect the dots again. Maybe the first step was done on this episode.

Frustratingly true, but as you say, that's exactly why this type of REAL LIVE HUMAN INTERACTION is so exciting. :griffnotevil:

Like Locke on Lost? :iva:

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Dude, that's like the perfect counter example! Yes, Miura has not fucking ruined Griffith by recasting him as some other guy who pretends to be the previous guy even after he reveals he's not that guy. UGH, that fucking show! There already sounds like there's dialogue parallels with Rickert and Jack though, "You're not John Locke/the falcon?" =)

I prefer this caption for the scene though:

"WAKE UP BITCH, YOU AIN'T NO MAGIC BUUUURD UP IN THE SKY!"
Title: Re: Episode 337
Post by: Aazealh on September 25, 2014, 09:51:07 PM
I didn't have nice things to say about some parts of the Millennium Falcon Arc (and i guess i'll be always known by that around these parts), but my interest slowly grew back around the Falconia chapter.

I don't think many people remember that time to be honest. However I do believe that your lack of appreciation for the developments that occurred during the Millennium Falcon arc is detrimental to your overall enjoyment of the series, beyond those specific events. But that's not really the topic here.

I used the example of Dr. Manhattan thinking to myself that i don't expect Miura to make Griffith go on soliloquies about his life and the ones around him (which seemed to me like one of the obvious ways to go with a "deity" type character).

Well I'll agree that I don't see him ever doing that. On a side note, for all the religious imagery, rituals and everything, I wouldn't go so far as to call Griffith a "deity". He's playing the part for sure and he has power beyond any other being we've seen so far (with the exception of his kindred I guess), but I think it does matter that in the end he's only "just" a very powerful monster who's following a very carefully laid plan. Much like what Guts told Grunbeld about monsters pretending to be warriors, I think Rickert's line in the glimpse we got was meant to be a reality check: "no, Griffith, you're not what you're pretending to be".

i believe the greatest challenge in Berserk's story lies with the future development of Griffith. Miura is probably hiding his inner growth from us, but after all that the character has done, how is he going to interact with all around him that might make a case for his development as a character, and not just as feedback for the other characters?

Hmm, I don't know about that being the greatest challenge. My personal guess has been for a long time that we would be kept mostly in the dark about Griffith/Femto's current personality until the later part of the story. I believe this episode will be our first glimpse into this very thing since the Hill of Swords. However I also think we won't get too much of it until the eventual confrontation with Guts and the others. The way I see it, we'll mostly experience Falconia through other characters from now on, with Griffith remaining a distant figure. Of course, that doesn't account for the rest of the God Hand... Or for us learning of their plans... We'll see, but I think we'll only ever get small windows into Griffith's mind, and not very often.

He, and the task achieved by him are just too grandiose, of such magnitude that it makes any transition to Guts party like going from google earth fully zoomed out to street view. He seems less and less of a dynamic antagonist and more of archetypical super villain, where only others with major super powers can have a glimpse of his vulnerability.

Well he is the main antagonist but he's not the only one. In that regard, feeling distant seems appropriate, hidden behind his walls and his army of monsters. I mean I see what you're getting at, but I think you're maybe letting his portrayal during the Golden Age arc color your expectations here, for I don't find him too different now from how he was as Femto, or how he's been pictured since his incarnation. During the Golden Age arc, he wasn't an antagonist yet, rather that arc told the story of how that situation came to be. But outside of that, the paradigm has always been that he was very much out of Guts' reach. Besides, if he was directly involved with Guts, what would there be left for Zodd and the others to do? :iva:

Anyway, since the original establishment of that asymetric balance of power, the story's moved in two different ways: on one side we have Guts, on whom the story has always been mostly focused. We're seeing his journey towards finally confronting that unattainable adversary. We've seen him change a lot since then, and we know that a big turning point (if not the biggest) is right around the corner. On the other side we've seen how the enemy came to be the enemy, and then we've seen his unstoppable progress, rallying troops, crushing his own enemies, slowly but surely transforming the world and achieving his goals. We've also slowly, little by little, seen some of his power, some of what he could do. Some of what his plans were. And yet he remains in many ways a mystery, which I think is quite a feat after all these years.

So while we haven't peered too much inside Griffith the character, we've borne witness to the creation of Griffith the legend. The fake fairy-tale hero, uniter of the world and savior of all. We saw the death of the White Falcon and the birth of the Falcon of Light. Now we're waiting for the Falcon of Darkness. :femto:

Another thing: you're absolutely right when you say that Guts exists on a very small scale compared to Griffith. That's not arbitrary. Miura's always seen the story that way: Griffith soaring high in the sky and Guts crawling in the mud. Guts has always been fighting desperate battles against ridiculously stronger foes. Which is why it's only fitting that Griffith now be so remote and seemingly impossible to reach. Guts is the ultimate struggler, and vanquishing Griffith will be the ultimate struggle, both literally and figuratively.

Griffith's conflicting nature was only presented in the Hill of Swords scene and that was many volumes ago, Miura planted a seed there, but so far it only served to ground him a bit more in reality. That whole thing in retrospect seems to be so far away now, that i can't even grasp how much Miura has to thread to connect the dots again. Maybe the first step was done on this episode.

Personally I think what we were shown on the Hill of Swords was a little different. I've said so for years now, but I'm quite convinced that the Guts and Casca's son will be the key to Griffith's undoing, the flaw in his otherwise impregnable defense. And that particular seed was definitely planted then. But in any case, you're correct that this episode is likely going to be the most "personal" we get with Griffith since the Hill of Swords.
Title: Re: Episode 337
Post by: Griffith on September 25, 2014, 10:55:28 PM
I wouldn't go so far as to call Griffith a "deity". He's playing the part for sure and he has power beyond any other being we've seen so far (with the exception of his kindred I guess), but I think it does matter that in the end he's only "just" a very powerful monster who's following a very carefully laid plan.
However I also think we won't get too much of it until the eventual confrontation with Guts and the others.

"Everyone has a plan 'til they get punched in the mouth." Yeah, we'll see what Griffith's really made if someone/something legitimately challenges him and the plan. Hopefully, Rickert's little challenge here will be an opportunity for that, though I'd really like to see him under duress.
Title: Re: Episode 337
Post by: Rupert Sinclair on September 26, 2014, 02:06:38 AM
Here's a little more.  http://blog.livedoor.jp/abacabu-abacabu/archives/41029747.html
Title: Re: Episode 337
Post by: Jaze1618 on September 26, 2014, 02:28:18 AM
Wow, Rickert holding up that crest. Such a powerful episode, holy sheesh!

Now we know who was there to witness The Event.
Title: Re: Episode 337
Post by: Oburi on September 26, 2014, 04:22:58 AM
Is it me or is Griffith looking more boyish and younger than before? He has a more innocent look in his face, like Golden Age Griffith.
Title: Re: Episode 337
Post by: slothqueen on September 26, 2014, 05:03:26 AM
Dat armour on the teaparty.
Title: Re: Episode 337
Post by: Grail on September 26, 2014, 05:15:50 AM
Is it me or is Griffith looking more boyish and younger than before? He has a more innocent look in his face, like Golden Age Griffith.
Miura did the same thing with Guts's face in episode 331, so now they match. :guts:

Now we know who was there to witness The Event.
I had been wondering about that! Now they know, nobody fucks with the Rickert. :daiba:

I have also been thinking about the significance of a slap versus a punch. Slapping seems much more intimate and bittersweet in this context. Adieu, my friend.. (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v92/Grenga/Griffslap_zpsc5959396.png)
Title: Re: Episode 337
Post by: Aazealh on September 26, 2014, 07:45:29 AM
Griffith leaves his little tea party to go talk to Rickert, so I'm not sure Charlotte, Sonia and Mule are around when the confrontation occurs. If they are though, I'll be curious to see what impact Rickert's actions and words might have on them, not just immediately but further down the line as well.

Anyway, Rickert reflects on what he's seen in Falconia, and how grand it all is compared to him. "What to say... Seeing the crowd of people with eyes looking like they're depending on something, seeing the city flourishing in a way I expected never to see again... About the feat which is like that of a god... or a demon, what can I, such a poor one, do..."

Griffith asks him if he had the same dream as everyone else (the collective dream of the Falcon of Light), and if he's found the answer to the question he had on the Hill of Swords through it. We all know Rickert's answer. :badbone: Looking at the scene, Rickert seems fully ready to face the consequences as he does it, too. But Griffith stops Locus and the guards.

Rickert talks about how he's pathetic (himself). How he couldn't go rescue Griffith with the others on that day... It's his burden. He wasn't able to share their fate. He couldn't be furious like Guts nor take up that burden (revenge). He could only send them off. But he was the one who built their graveyard on the Hill of Swords!

Rickert asks him if he's noticed that the shape of the wings on the new emblem of the Band of the Falcon is a little bit different from that of the original one. Griffith replies "Ah, yeah..." Then Rickert tells him: "I am a member of the Band of the Falcon that Griffith the White Falcon led. But that leader is/was not the Falcon of Light." (Note that this last line can be interpreted in several different ways). His last word as he departs: "Farewell."

Dat armour on the teaparty.

He's only got one human costume. :griffnotevil:
Title: Re: Episode 337
Post by: EeXerO on September 26, 2014, 09:45:14 AM
Wow, what an amazing episode. I wonder if there's going to be any consequences for Rickert for doing what he did... If Sonia sees Rickert maybe she will feel there's something different with his feelings towards Griffith compared to everyone else and wonder why.
Title: Re: Episode 337
Post by: Skeleton on September 26, 2014, 12:38:16 PM
Griffith leaves his little tea party to go talk to Rickert, so I'm not sure Charlotte, Sonia and Mule are around when the confrontation occurs. If they are though, I'll be curious to see what impact Rickert's actions and words might have on them, not just immediately but further down the line as well.

I'm curious about that too, especially when it comes to Mule.

Anyway, Rickert reflects on what he's seen in Falconia, and how grand it all is compared to him. "What to say... Seeing the crowd of people with eyes looking like they're depending on something, seeing the city flourishing in a way I expected never to see again... About the feat which is like that of a god... or a demon, what can I, such a poor one, do..."

Griffith asks him if he had the same dream as everyone else (the collective dream of the Falcon of Light), and if he's found the answer to the question he had on the Hill of Swords through it. We all know Rickert's answer. :badbone: Looking at the scene, Rickert seems fully ready to face the consequences as he does it, too. But Griffith stops Locus and the guards.

Rickert talks about how he's pathetic (himself). How he couldn't go rescue Griffith with the others on that day... It's his burden. He wasn't able to share their fate. He couldn't be furious like Guts nor take up that burden (revenge). He could only send them off. But he was the one who built their graveyard on the Hill of Swords!

Rickert asks him if he's noticed that the shape of the wings on the new emblem of the Band of the Falcon is a little bit different from that of the original one. Griffith replies "Ah, yeah..." Then Rickert tells him: "I am a member of the Band of the Falcon that Griffith the White Falcon led. But that leader is/was not the Falcon of Light." (Note that this last line can be interpreted in several different ways). His last word as he departs: "Farewell."

Rickert is such a badass.   :guts:
Title: Re: Episode 337
Post by: Griffith on September 26, 2014, 01:40:55 PM
Judging from Griffith's expression during The Slap, caught somewhere between, "He hit me..." and "My beautiful face!," that was NOT part of the plan. :ganishka:

Bonus points for Rickert using blacksmith strength to rock Griff on his heels, and for simultaneously shoving it in Locus' face! :guts: Also, I don't think new Griff's looked more downtrodden than in the shot where Rickert turns his back on him, and I hope the coup de grâce is, "Ja ne." Anyway, Rickert basically just exposed him as a loser. Great stuff.
Title: Re: Episode 337
Post by: Aazealh on September 26, 2014, 02:07:00 PM
I hope the coup de grâce is, "Ja ne."

It's "sayonara".
Title: Re: Episode 337
Post by: NightCrawler on September 26, 2014, 02:12:16 PM
Bonus points for Rickert using blacksmith strength to rock Griff on his heels

Yeah, that really caught my attention, not a wimpy slap at all.
Title: Re: Episode 337
Post by: Johnstantine on September 26, 2014, 02:18:34 PM
He could only send them off. But he was the one who built their graveyard on the Hill of Swords!

Maybe it's just me, but I feel like that is the most powerful statement in the entire series.
Title: Re: Episode 337
Post by: Griffith on September 26, 2014, 02:26:35 PM
It's "sayonara".

Well, figuratively it still burns as bad as this one:

http://youtu.be/wPVAq94Tk9M

Yeah, that really caught my attention, not a wimpy slap at all.

Yep, put his body into it, combining the insult and formal rebuke of the slap with the force of a punch. Guts would be so proud, except he would have slapped him with the Dragon Slayer. :guts:

Maybe it's just me, but I feel like that is the most powerful statement in the entire series.

Well, I wouldn't go that far, but it's certainly a powerful sentiment to convey Rickert's love and commitment as well as his claim to anger; essentially, "I buried them."

This does all beg the question where Rickert goes from here. Uneasily coexist in Griffith's city? Obviously they don't ever need to personally see each other again, but just knowing the other is there after this seems pretty untenable. A mutual parting might be best for all involved. Though, unless Rickert is going to seek out Guts where else has he got to go? Very interesting either way. I wouldn't be surprised if Rickert defiantly sticks around, but part of me is hoping he goes full, "Let's blow this dump." :badbone:
Title: Re: Episode 337
Post by: Devilwoman on September 26, 2014, 02:35:31 PM
I wonder if Rickert started crying after slapping Griffith. Gotta admit that it was rather ballsy from him to do that, especially with Locus around, who obviously didn't appreciate it. Still it was noble of Griffith to stop Locus from intervening, like it's no big deal.I'm curious about what Rickert is going to do after this, and whether he'll stay in Falconia.
Title: Re: Episode 337
Post by: Aazealh on September 26, 2014, 02:50:13 PM
Well, figuratively it still burns as bad as this one:

http://youtu.be/wPVAq94Tk9M

Ugghhh.

This does all beg the question where Rickert goes from here. Uneasily coexist in Griffith's city? Obviously they don't ever need to personally see each other again, but just knowing the other is there after this seems pretty untenable. A mutual parting might be best for all involved. Though, unless Rickert is going to seek out Guts where else has he got to go? Very interesting either way.

Yep, now is when he gets to worry about Erica's safety and the potential consequences of his actions.

I wonder if Rickert started crying after slapping Griffith.

He tears up when talking about his old comrades.
Title: Re: Episode 337
Post by: Griffith on September 26, 2014, 03:02:41 PM
I wonder if Rickert started crying after slapping Griffith.

It appears his eyes are welled up with tears before/as he does it, and I don't think it has anything to do with the slap itself, more the emotions that precipitated it.

Still it was noble of Griffith to stop Locus from intervening, like it's no big deal.

Well, Griffith needed to maintain some dignity. Calling for help would have been the ultimate low. :ganishka:

I'm curious about what Rickert is going to do after this, and whether he'll stay in Falconia.
Yep, now is when he gets to worry about Erica's safety and the potential consequences of his actions.

You know, before seeing this I thought the slap might be part of Griffith's attempt at seducing Rickert back to his side. Let him get it out of his system and then go for reconciliation and forgiveness, with Erica's safety being the unspoken leverage. Clearly though, unless Griffith is also the greatest actor of his time, this is not what he had in mind, and it's the first time we've seen things go that way. He knew Guts would attack him and was his usual smug self about it, but this was completely different. Especially with the whole expectant, "Did the oracle tell you to bow down like a good little boy like everybody else (I know it did)? :griffnotevil:" I certainly didn't expect Rickert to so forcefully dictate the terms of the conversation, more like his own personal declaration to Griffith, and I don't think he did either. Rickert may not hate Griffith, but he sure has learned to resent the Hell out of him.
Title: Re: Episode 337
Post by: Irvine on September 26, 2014, 03:18:48 PM

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 :ubik: Hoooooly shit yes!!!
Title: Re: Episode 337
Post by: ryOtoha on September 26, 2014, 03:46:22 PM
I feel relieved to finally see Rickert take this unique opportunity to get things off his chest, come to terms with the Falcon of Light. In a way, by the end of that episode, Rickert walk out as a different person. For the reader, this feels incredibly relieving. As always, Miura's writing and mise en scene are masterful.

And now we know it occurs in front of Locus' watch (despite warning and lecturing Rickert), the slap is even more pleasurable to watch.
Title: Re: Episode 337
Post by: Tama on September 26, 2014, 05:22:58 PM
I'm wondering too if Rickert will end up staying or not, but I'm assuming he will for the time being because of it being more or less a safe place for Erika. I'm not really sure what will come of this, I don't see Griffith sending some assassination attempt after him or anything of the sort, I think that would be too silly, and to me I don't think he cares enough either way on Rickert's position. Like others have said, this is less about how Griffith would react to being talked to like this and the physical blow, and more about Rickert's feelings on the matter and being able to tell him face to face. I like how Locus was right there to witness it, and I wonder too if it's anywhere near Charlotte and co.
Title: Re: Episode 337
Post by: Devilwoman on September 26, 2014, 06:37:48 PM
I think this is the first time Griffith got rejected after he was reborn by someone who knew him when he was still human(not counting Guts).It's really interesting and it changes everything I was envisioning for Rickert. Guts said to him that he can't hate Griffith, since he wasn't there at the eclipse. So there was a possibility for Rickert to join Griffith. But clearly he's still thinking a lot about his fallen comrades, and why they had to die. Griffith may control the souls but it was Rickert who allowed them to rest in a way, by making the hill of swords for them.
About what he will do, I think Rickert will stay in Falconia because it's one of the "safest" places right now, but he will not be involved directly with the BoH or Griffith. I don't see Griffith sending assassins after him because he got rejected.
Title: Re: Episode 337
Post by: Griffith on September 26, 2014, 07:19:25 PM
I'm not really sure what will come of this, I don't see Griffith sending some assassination attempt after him or anything of the sort, I think that would be too silly, and to me I don't think he cares enough either way on Rickert's position.
I think this is the first time Griffith got rejected after he was reborn

I think the most interesting aspect on this front is not so much whether Griffith cares or not (I'm sure he does), but that Rickert can do this at all, physically and mentally. I mean, people and apostles alike are physically compelled to follow and obey Griffith. Mule practically offered his sword involuntarily, and the best Ganishka could do was not let Griffith touch him (all according to plan, of course). That he even has the capacity to resist sets Rickert apart, like others outside the "fairy tale." The other interesting thing about that is that instead of magic all he's armed with is knowledge. That makes him, and more importantly, the truth, potentially very dangerous. It means a very simple thing could "break the spell" and bring down the whole plan, just like any other mundane conspiracy. How ignominious an end would that be for the arrogant monsters pretending to be gods? :guts:

I don't see Griffith sending assassins after him because he got rejected.

I wonder if reaction to the insult among Griffith's sworn protectors like Locus (and Zodd) might make things uncomfortable anyway... I wouldn't want them pissed at me, and even if Griffith isn't issuing an order, you still might not be safe (not caring can go both ways).
Title: Re: Episode 337
Post by: Devilwoman on September 26, 2014, 07:25:52 PM
I wonder if reaction to the insult among Griffith's sworn protectors like Locus (and Zodd) might make things uncomfortable anyway... I wouldn't want them pissed at me, and even if Griffith isn't issuing an order, you still might not be safe (not caring can go both ways).
Sure the apostles can have their own saying on the matter, without Griffith being involved. Dunno about Locus but if Zodd was there he would have shred Rickert to pieces xD They could always go on their own way and attack him, at night, when he's least likely to be prepared.So maybe Falconia isn't safe for him after this. We'll see how things go.
Title: Re: Episode 337
Post by: Jaze1618 on September 26, 2014, 07:43:33 PM
I think the most interesting aspect on this front is not so much whether Griffith cares or not (I'm sure he does), but that Rickert can do this at all, physically and mentally. I mean, people and apostles alike are physically compelled to follow and obey Griffith. Mule practically offered his sword involuntarily, and the best Ganishka could do was not let Griffith touch him (all according to plan, of course). That he even has the capacity to resist sets Rickert apart, like others outside the "fairy tale."

I agree with you completely and I also wonder if down the line this will be called out as another effect of Guts' influence in the world as a fish splashing in a water, and not just part of a reflection on the water's surface like everyone else. Guts ability to resist Griffith's charm may become a contagious pathogen.
Title: Re: Episode 337
Post by: Aazealh on September 26, 2014, 10:03:51 PM
Dunno about Locus but if Zodd was there he would have shred Rickert to pieces

I am not so sure. Locus strikes me as quite fervent, even compared to Zodd. Actually, it would have been all the more interesting if Zodd had been there because he knows Rickert.

it changes everything I was envisioning for Rickert. Guts said to him that he can't hate Griffith, since he wasn't there at the eclipse. So there was a possibility for Rickert to join Griffith.

Eh, did you really think Rickert would end up joining Griffith's ranks, just like old times?

I also wonder if down the line this will be called out as another effect of Guts' influence in the world as a fish splashing in a water, and not just part of a reflection on the water's surface like everyone else.

I think you're taking that line outside of its context.

Guts ability to resist Griffith's charm may become a contagious pathogen.

That's not how I would characterize it. Guts and Rickert knew Griffith when he was still human. They know who he was, they know how he became something else, and they were betrayed in the process. That gives them a unique perspective.
Title: Re: Episode 337
Post by: Skeleton on September 26, 2014, 10:06:10 PM
I agree with you completely and I also wonder if down the line this will be called out as another effect of Guts' influence in the world as a fish splashing in a water, and not just part of a reflection on the water's surface like everyone else. Guts ability to resist Griffith's charm may become a contagious pathogen.

I wonder if this is the point where Griffith's expectations of what's going to happen starts to separate from the Idea of Evil's plan.  This might be Femto's version of Guts leaving Griffith, where something happens that Griffith didn't expect or want and his reaction to it causes things to fall apart.  Assuming Rickert's actions affect Griffith, of course.

Just thinking out loud here.  :idea:
Title: Re: Episode 337
Post by: Pheron on September 26, 2014, 10:15:43 PM
So why didn't Griffith just dodge or stop the attack somehow? I can only think of these explanations for this:

1. He simply let his guard down. He was too arrogant to think Rickert would dare to attack him. I think this explanation is unlikely because Griffith/Femto showed off his perfect awareness of his surroundings at several points in time especially against the Skull Knight. So arrogance shouldn't take that ability away and to be honest, he always appears arrogant.

2. It wasn't possible for him to stop/dodge the attack without hurting Rickert or revealing his God Hand abilities. That would make him kinda defenseless if he wanted to appear human. So, unlikely.

3. He didn't care. Femto can't feel humiliation because he is no human. It could be argued that Femto does care about appearance and it can't be in his interest to be seen slapped by a mere human by so many important followers and underlings.

4. He agreed to deserve it. I can't make sense of why a quasi-deity with no feelings should agree to that. But Griffith agreed and accepted it. Maybe it's just another part of his master plan and we just don't know yet  :femto:

Regardless of why he let the slap happen, do you think this will have any consequences for Griffith? He showed weakness in front of his underlings after all. Rickert will be known as the boy who slapped Grffith and got away with it.
Title: Re: Episode 337
Post by: Devilwoman on September 26, 2014, 10:26:30 PM
I am not so sure. Locus strikes me as quite fervent, even compared to Zodd. Actually, it would have been all the more interesting if Zodd had been there because he knows Rickert.

Eh, did you really think Rickert would end up joining Griffith's ranks, just like old times?

Yeah I would have loved it if Zodd was there instead of Locus, because he has a history with the old band.
Maybe not join the new band literally, but be more involved in what happens in Falconia and maybe be one of the supporters of his politics. It looks like it's not gonna happen though, because  Rickert seems to be immune to Griffith's aura, in the way that he doesn't think that he's a savior or something like that like the others do. He still remembers him as the man he used to, and his way of dealing with Griffith is most likely based on that.
Title: Re: Episode 337
Post by: Irvine on September 26, 2014, 11:16:07 PM
So maybe Falconia isn't safe for him after this.

I wonder WHAT place is safe for him from now on. There are many dangerous creatures outside of the city.
As far as I know the only people who never followed Griffith and are strong enough to fight against monsters are the Bākiraka....
Title: Re: Episode 337
Post by: Aazealh on September 27, 2014, 09:11:38 AM
Regardless of why he let the slap happen, do you think this will have any consequences for Griffith? He showed weakness in front of his underlings after all.

I don't think he showed "weakness". He bore with Rickert. How would that have consequences for him? Do you expect Locus to challenge him for the throne or something?

Maybe not join the new band literally, but be more involved in what happens in Falconia and maybe be one of the supporters of his politics.

I think Rickert will still probably make a living in Falconia, but personally I never expected him to actively "join" Griffith as a loyal supporter anyway. I think some people take that scene on the Hill of Swords the wrong way. What Guts meant is that Rickert isn't fit to walk the dark path he himself is/was/will be on, that of hatred and revenge (which Rickert refers to in this episode as well). But that doesn't mean Rickert doesn't resent Griffith for what he did. In fact, at that time Rickert really wanted to go along and it's probably only because of Erica that he stayed behind.

Moving on, I'm not sure Griffith needs any supporters for his "politics" really, I mean who's going to rise against him? Falconia isn't a democracy.

It looks like it's not gonna happen though, because Rickert seems to be immune to Griffith's aura, in the way that he doesn't think that he's a savior or something like that like the others do. He still remembers him as the man he used to, and his way of dealing with Griffith is most likely based on that.

Like I told Jaze I don't think it's a matter of immunity so much as knowledge and experience. You say his way of dealing with Griffith is most likely based on that, but I'd say it's definitely the case.
Title: Re: Episode 337
Post by: Buy Berserk! on September 28, 2014, 07:06:41 AM
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Title: Re: Episode 337
Post by: Aazealh on September 28, 2014, 07:12:10 AM
Just amazing. We had the gist of it, but the full thing is so much cooler. The shot of Griffith asking the question, with the Hill of Swords behind Rickert's blank face is incredible.

Anyway, the takeaway here is that Rickert is truly a badass. Oh, and the people who somehow still think Casca will want to join Griffith when she wakes up should maybe get a clue from this.
Title: Re: Episode 337
Post by: Griffith on September 28, 2014, 07:17:01 AM
Wow, maximum embarrassment; all Griff can do to maintain face is stop his guards, and he barely gets a word in after. Love Locus' impotent rage too. :guts:
Title: Re: Episode 337
Post by: Skeleton on September 28, 2014, 08:04:17 AM
Wow!  This episode is great!  That last shot of Rickert walking away is fantastic.

It was pretty neat to see Rickert reacting when he saw Charlotte.

I love that the slap bothered Locus.  Screw him.  :femto:

And I think it's safe to say everyone saw the fight of the century.  :ganishka:
Title: Re: Episode 337
Post by: Jaze1618 on September 28, 2014, 08:10:22 AM
Fun read!! The burning question now however; What was the deal about Griffith being able to control plants? I didn't see any context for that in this episode. I'm curious to know what that reference was all about.
Title: Re: Episode 337
Post by: Griffith on September 28, 2014, 08:13:02 AM
Wow!  This episode is great!  That last shot of Rickert walking away is fantastic.
And I think it's safe to say everyone saw the fight of the century.  :ganishka:

It's a little scary actually how open and unresolved it is. Stopping the guards is basically all Griffith can do to maintain the appearance of any sort of dignified control, "It's O.K., I MEANT to do that!" Like, this isn't necessarily over. Griffith's public persona said stop, but will his inner Femto be so benign about being physically rebuked like that in front of everybody (no one important, just the heads of church and state)? That's a crack in the armor, and he'll surely be questioned about how and why that could happen. He could just say Rickert lost some comrades under his command, or just not answer at all in a, "I'm above all this petty human shit" moment (look at his face though, during the slap he looks like he could cry and on the last page he looks like he got dumped). I can see Sonja having the biggest takeaway. She's more of a Griffith zealot than Locus (U MAD BRO?), and she'll certainly want to know, from Rickert himself if necessary (and what would she think?). Anyway, this is a win/win, any outcome from this will be good. Whether Griffith just blows it off and nothing further comes of it or if he sits back down, dismisses everyone but Locus, and says, "Kill him. Kill all of them."

The burning question now however; What was the deal about Griffith being able to control plants? I didn't see any context for that in this episode. I'm curious to know what that reference was all about.

My best guess would be something to do with all the flora and fauna at the beginning (maybe Griffith was making them bloom for brunch =). Otherwise, the only thing that got planted in this episode was Rickert's hand into Griffith's face. BTW, Miura needs to give his hand a rest with this shit, "I think it improves the series when I drew every flower petal and line in the wall!" :miura:



Title: Re: Episode 337
Post by: Aazealh on September 28, 2014, 10:16:14 AM
The burning question now however; What was the deal about Griffith being able to control plants? I didn't see any context for that in this episode.

It refers to Griffith's talk with Charlotte in the beginning. She's been collecting flowers from the garden to form that big bouquet in the vase. Griffith comments that there are more flowers today than before. Charlotte explains that she collected samples of each country's flowers. In short, there are flowers from all over the world blooming in that eternally peaceful garden. Reminds me of Rochine's misty valley.

Charlotte also made herbal tea, and Griffith can name all of the ingredients involved. Sonia's being picky, saying it's not that good, etc. The Pontiff reiterates that he's only got one thing left to do: put the crown on the head of the Falcon of Light. And of course, before that, he'll perform the wedding ceremony for Charlotte and Griffith. Obviously, hearing that sets Sonia off and she complains about the cake too. When Mule objects, she tells him that if he stops looking over her she'll give him half of it, to which he replies that he's on duty, guarding her. They're interrupted by a guard that informs Griffith that "Sir Locus" has brought a visitor. Rickert notices that Charlotte is there, and thinks to himself "the two... again..." regarding her and Griffith.

The rest is known already, but it's interesting to note that when Rickert is thinking about all of what he's seen in Falconia, Griffith's first words directly continue Rickert's thoughts, as if he read his mind.

Like, this isn't necessarily over. Griffith's public persona said stop, but will his inner Femto be so benign about being physically rebuked like that in front of everybody (no one important, just the heads of church and state)? That's a crack in the armor, and he'll surely be questioned about how and why that could happen.

It'll be interesting to see whether the story sticks to Falconia after this or moves back to Guts' side. I think it's actually a perfect time to switch sides, but there are indeed quite a few interrogations left. Still, I don't see Griffith sending people after Rickert or anything like that. I think what Griffith told him back then on the Hill of Swords still holds: that if Rickert hated him after learning the truth, it'd be enough to repay his debt (for what he did). So I can see him letting it fly for that reason; accepting Rickert's response as his punishment for sacrificing the band and enabling the continued pursuit of his Dream.

I can see Sonia having the biggest takeaway. She's more of a Griffith zealot than Locus (U MAD BRO?), and she'll certainly want to know, from Rickert himself if necessary (and what would she think?).

Agreed. Sonia is the more independent one and I'm sure she'll be curious about it. Besides, it's not like Rickert could really withhold anything from her, even if he wanted to. I also think it might spark questions in Charlotte's mind, given that she knows quite a few things about Griffith's past life.
Title: Re: Episode 337
Post by: Gobolatula on September 28, 2014, 02:07:39 PM
So I can see him letting it fly for that reason; accepting Rickert's response as his punishment for sacrificing the band and enabling the continued pursuit of his Dream.
:femto: "I'll let this one slide."  :femto:
Title: Re: Episode 337
Post by: Mucha on September 28, 2014, 03:29:35 PM
I hold Berserk in extremely high regard and yet I continuously get impressed. Wow.

Some spitballing: if we presuppose that it was in fact the bakiraka who knocked out those guards in the previous episode - wouldn't it make sense for them to be (attempting to) spying on Griffith and thus also witness this event?
Title: Re: Episode 337
Post by: Tama on September 28, 2014, 04:13:33 PM
The full episode is even better then I imagined; I'm glad that everyone else was able to witness Griffith getting slapped, I also wonder how this will play out. I don't remember exactly, but since Charlotte has been rescued from the tower way back when, she hasn't ever questioned how Griffith is back right? I know they all had the dream, and with her feelings of delusion it makes sense she would dismiss it at the time but I wonder now. I also think Sonia will end up finding Rickert somewhere in the city and ask him about what transpired and his past, she is always the curious one and it seems that would occur.
Title: Re: Episode 337
Post by: Doc on September 28, 2014, 05:01:14 PM
Rickert keeps that pimp hand strong. I knew he'd stand his ground and give Griffith what for... :schnoz:

Got to love Miura for subverting everyone's expectations once again. Who honestly saw that one coming? Serves us all right for doubting the little guy! And it was made all the sweeter by Charlotte, Locus & the rest of Griffith's groupies watching on.
Title: Re: Episode 337
Post by: Delta Phi on September 28, 2014, 10:45:52 PM
This was just great. Sonia is hilarious, and I think it's interesting seeing Griffith, Charlotte, and Co. sitting down to tea. It's all just so pedestrian, especially after the previous exposition of the "underbelly" of Falconia's inner sanctum. I think it's a nice juxtaposition illustrating the duality of Griffith's persona. I thought Rickert's and Girffith's approach had just the right amount of increasing tension, and then BOOM, that trifecta of double-page spreads was just fantastic!

I think this is an excellent moment to switch POV, but I'm really interested in what comes next for Rickert and Erica.
Title: Re: Episode 337
Post by: Aazealh on September 29, 2014, 09:26:23 AM
Miura's comment this time is that he opposes the raise of Japan's consumption tax to 10%. He feels that it will harm the publishing industry.
Title: Re: Episode 337
Post by: puella on September 29, 2014, 09:36:22 AM
I know this is a slap-worthy question, but I wonder just like Griffith: did Rickert have the Falcon of Light dream like the others?
Probably? But he's not controlled by the Falcon of Light because he knows the real Griffith.
Title: Re: Episode 337
Post by: Doc on September 29, 2014, 04:03:43 PM
I wonder how the old Griffith would've reacted to Rickert's affront? My guess is probably not much differently.
Title: Re: Episode 337
Post by: Jaze1618 on September 29, 2014, 05:53:53 PM
I wonder how the old Griffith would've reacted to Rickert's affront? My guess is probably not much differently.

See his reaction to the slap from Julius in volume 6...  :ganishka: Ok probably not.
Title: Re: Episode 337
Post by: Aazealh on September 29, 2014, 06:54:43 PM
I wonder how the old Griffith would've reacted to Rickert's affront? My guess is probably not much differently.

It's hard to compare since the old Griffith never stood in a similar position. I mean not only does he deserve Rickert's anger (a fact he's knowledged on the Hill of Swords), but he's also in such a powerful position that this kind of affront, as you put it, is rather meaningless. So I think it's a lot easier for him to forgive something like this now than it would have been back when he was still vying for power as a man.
Title: Re: Episode 337
Post by: Doc on September 29, 2014, 07:44:19 PM
It's hard to compare since the old Griffith never stood in a similar position. I mean not only does he deserve Rickert's anger (a fact he's knowledged on the Hill of Swords), but he's also in such a powerful position that this kind of affront, as you put it, is rather meaningless. So I think it's a lot easier for him to forgive something like this now than it would have been back when he was still vying for power as a man.

That's true, Aaz. I was trying to imagine a scenario wherein Griffith had achieved his dream at the expense of the Falcons but retained his old personality. I do think that in either case Griffith would've kept up appearances as the magnanimous ruler before his subjects instead of having Rickert sent to the gallows. However, it would be difficult to call Griffith's mental state if his previous feelings for Guts & Casca had been leftover. Granted, Neo-Griffith has a connection to the pair of them but we all know that's the demon child's instincts, not his own ego.
Title: Re: Episode 337
Post by: Aazealh on September 29, 2014, 09:19:50 PM
I was trying to imagine a scenario wherein Griffith had achieved his dream at the expense of the Falcons but retained his old personality. I do think that in either case Griffith would've kept up appearances as the magnanimous ruler before his subjects instead of having Rickert sent to the gallows.

Well I think that's a tall order. What old personality are you referring to exactly? Because the change Griffith underwent wasn't only through his rebirth as Femto. His fall as a mortal man had already changed him as well, which is part of why he chose to sacrifice them.
Title: Re: Episode 337
Post by: Doc on October 01, 2014, 12:49:42 PM
Well I think that's a tall order. What old personality are you referring to exactly? Because the change Griffith underwent wasn't only through his rebirth as Femto. His fall as a mortal man had already changed him as well, which is part of why he chose to sacrifice them.

I don't need to tell you that Griffith's feelings for Guts were extremely complicated right up to the moment he uttered "I sacrifice...", as captured in that final expression of his. If THIS Griffith had been reborn, albeit with the all the powers of a God Hand, there's no guessing how he would feel about Rickert's outburst. But that Griffith is long gone, and what we've got now is Femto wearing Griffith's mask, which while convincing to most people, cannot fool those who knew him best. I was thinking out loud, s'all, and not making any kind of commentary on the scene in and of itself.
Title: Re: Episode 337
Post by: Aazealh on October 01, 2014, 01:32:42 PM
If THIS Griffith had been reborn, albeit with the all the powers of a God Hand

But that Griffith was reborn with the power of a member of the God Hand. He was reborn as Femto. You're confusing the notions of "rebirth" and "incarnation".
Anyway, I think you're trying to have your cake and eat it with this hypothetical situation, so I'll agree with you: there's no guessing how it would go.
Title: Re: Episode 337
Post by: Griffith on October 01, 2014, 03:01:08 PM
But that Griffith was reborn with the power of a member of the God Hand.

See, this is what I was talking about before. :ganishka:
Title: Re: Episode 337
Post by: Doc on October 01, 2014, 07:29:19 PM
But that Griffith was reborn with the power of a member of the God Hand. He was reborn as Femto. You're confusing the notions of "rebirth" and "incarnation".

Nah, I know the difference between the two. I was merely entertaining the idea of Griffith retaining his original self, or elements thereof, whether it was during the Eclipse or the Occultation ceremony. 

Something I'd be interested to know people's take on, is whether Femto is essentially affecting Neo-Griffith, or whether Neo-Griffith is 'programmed' to act this way? I'm guessing that because he can seemingly switch to Femto mode at will, that would be suggest the former. However, Femto obviously doesn't have complete control over his new form because of the demon child's instincts - and the as yet unrevealed nature of the Moonlight kid.
Title: Re: Episode 337
Post by: Aazealh on October 01, 2014, 08:00:43 PM
Nah, I know the difference between the two. I was merely entertaining the idea of Griffith retaining his original self, or elements thereof, whether it was during the Eclipse or the Occultation ceremony.

But... he has retained many elements of his old self. Femto is not a completely different being from Griffith. He was born from him. Also, "Eclipse" and "Occultation ceremony" refer to the same event.

Something I'd be interested to know people's take on, is whether Femto is essentially affecting Neo-Griffith, or whether Neo-Griffith is 'programmed' to act this way? I'm guessing that because he can seemingly switch to Femto mode at will, that would be suggest the former.

:???: For all intents and purposes, the Griffith currently standing in the garden is Femto. When we say Femto was incarnated into a new Griffith, it means Femto, who existed as an immaterial being, became a being of flesh. He acquired a corporeal form, a living and breathing body. One that coincidentally looks exactly like his former one did, before he became a member of the God Hand. So it's really not a matter of Femto affecting Griffith like a puppeteer or Griffith being pre-programmed like an automaton. Femto came down to the world at the end of volume 21. Femto walks among men. And he's calling himself Griffith.

That is why Griffith can change his appearance to that of Femto at will. They're one and the same.

However, Femto obviously doesn't have complete control over his new form because of the demon child's instincts - and the as yet unrevealed nature of the Moonlight kid.

The boy's interference is a separate thing. It was originally his body, after all. But that doesn't impact the Femto/Griffith relation I just talked about. When Griffith felt the boy's influence in volume 22, he knew immediately what was going on. He knew those weren't his thoughts.
Title: Re: Episode 337
Post by: Red Dingo on October 02, 2014, 05:28:50 PM
I predict that folks are gonna caption that scene and post it on image boards.
Title: Re: Episode 337
Post by: Deci on October 03, 2014, 01:11:45 AM
I love Rickert!

He's turned out even more awesome than I had hoped for, it almost makes me tear up. Really just had looked forward to getting cool perspective for inside Falconia and now I just want to follow him for as long as possible! Slapping the damn King and "savior"? Yes sir! If we had an emoticon for the man I'd be using it right now. Can't wait to see where things go from here.  :guts:
Title: Re: Episode 337
Post by: Walter on October 03, 2014, 01:33:12 AM
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As always, the quality is a significant improvement over what's available, because these images bypass the printing and scanning process:

(http://skullknight.net/images/337.jpg)

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Title: Re: Episode 337
Post by: Doc on October 03, 2014, 02:08:18 PM
But... he has retained many elements of his old self. Femto is not a completely different being from Griffith. He was born from him. Also, "Eclipse" and "Occultation ceremony" refer to the same event.

Occultation Incarnation Ceremony. That's what I SAID.

:???: For all intents and purposes, the Griffith currently standing in the garden is Femto. When we say Femto was incarnated into a new Griffith, it means Femto, who existed as an immaterial being, became a being of flesh. He acquired a corporeal form, a living and breathing body. One that coincidentally looks exactly like his former one did, before he became a member of the God Hand. So it's really not a matter of Femto affecting Griffith like a puppeteer or Griffith being pre-programmed like an automaton. Femto came down to the world at the end of volume 21. Femto walks among men. And he's calling himself Griffith.

That's what I intimated originally, that Femto is simply putting on an act. Because the bearing and manner of Femto & Neo-Griffith are expressly different. It's interesting that you believe it to be that simple. I would like to see this explored further on here. I believe this was something Griff (ze SK member) was getting at earlier, as to whether Neo-Griffith really is just Femto in a different skin, or whether it's a little (or much) more complex than that. I'm not really in the position to take a stance either way and defer to the authorities.
Title: Re: Episode 337
Post by: Walter on October 03, 2014, 03:48:44 PM
as to whether Neo-Griffith really is just Femto in a different skin
This "Neo-Griffith" stuff isn't necessary, and reminds me of posts in the 2002-era. Does he really need three names? When you say "Griffith" now, everyone knows who you're talking about.

Anyway, I don't know how it could be anything but what you postulated above. They are the same being, and we've known that for years. But recently it was underscored for readers when we saw him (between pages) transform into Femto, and then back into the Griffith suit. And of course he acts differently as Femto in the most shadowy places than he does as Griffith when surrounded by humans. He's playing the part of the savior for them.

While it's interesting to consider, I believe the question you're really getting at is: Did his new physical body bestow features he didn't have as Femto. And my answer remains: No, I don't think so. Certainly none have been exhibited apart from those which I account for above, other than an apparent fondness for cake (which we can't exclude as something Femto didn't also enjoy behind the scenes!  :guts:

I don't want to speak for him, but this is where Griff and I have historically disagreed. He believes there are too many variables to say with any certainty what the properties and limitations are of this new body. I concede Miura has kept us out of Griffith's head since the incarnation, which leaves the door open for new developments on that end. But other than the already stated, and technically anomalous, relationship with the demon child and Griffith, I don't see any difference between the personalities and actions of Femto and Griffith. One may say that "well, he smiles now." But he also flashed a cold smile as Femto. When his guard has been down, as when speaking with Guts, he acted more or less exactly as Femto had in Volume 3, only with a different body.
Title: Re: Episode 337
Post by: Aazealh on October 03, 2014, 05:42:31 PM
That's what I intimated originally, that Femto is simply putting on an act.

Is that so? I must have missed it.

It's interesting that you believe it to be that simple. I would like to see this explored further on here.

What I find interesting is your wording here, which seems to imply that I just hold a belief that is unsubstantiated. But the story's pretty clear on that front... To be honest I'm not quite sure what's confusing you. For example, I don't think Griffith's behavior is at all incompatible with that of Femto. On the contrary, he seems quite distant and expressionless most of the time, as if nothing really touched him. Very similar to Femto.
Title: Re: Episode 337
Post by: Uriel on October 04, 2014, 12:21:06 PM
Well, that was brilliant.
Title: Re: Episode 337
Post by: CrimsonBehelit216 on October 06, 2014, 12:13:12 AM
Nice episode. I think its safe to assume that this is a good note to leave on and transition to Guts. I am really stoked to see Guts and company arrive at Elfhelm. I don't believe it is unlikely that once Guts finishes his business at Elfhelm, he will travel to Falconia and encounter Rickert there once again.
Title: Re: Episode 337
Post by: Walter on October 06, 2014, 03:20:41 PM
Nice episode. I think its safe to assume that this is a good note to leave on and transition to Guts. I am really stoked to see Guts and company arrive at Elfhelm. I don't believe it is unlikely that once Guts finishes his business at Elfhelm, he will travel to Falconia and encounter Rickert there once again.

I thought so at first, but after seeing the whole thing, I think there's still room for a final send off. There's also the loose end of the infiltration. What if whoever it was ended up witnessing Rickert slapping Griffith, then approaches him as he leaves Falconia, interested in Rickert's motivations for that. In that hypothetical situation, I doubt Rickert would go into detail and curse Griffith as a monster or anything, but it could be the seed for something larger.
Title: Re: Episode 337
Post by: Lithrael on October 06, 2014, 03:43:29 PM
Stuff like this makes me want to photoshop Rakshas hiding in somebody's armpit into every episode.
Title: Re: Episode 337
Post by: Aazealh on October 06, 2014, 05:58:48 PM
I thought so at first, but after seeing the whole thing, I think there's still room for a final send off. There's also the loose end of the infiltration. What if whoever it was ended up witnessing Rickert slapping Griffith, then approaches him as he leaves Falconia, interested in Rickert's motivations for that.

While I agree with the fact that we will get a follow-up to that thing with the guards, and I think your idea about an infiltrator witnessing The Slap™ is plausible, I also believe it could take place at a later time and not right away.
Title: Re: Episode 337
Post by: CrimsonBehelit216 on October 06, 2014, 11:10:48 PM
I thought so at first, but after seeing the whole thing, I think there's still room for a final send off. There's also the loose end of the infiltration. What if whoever it was ended up witnessing Rickert slapping Griffith, then approaches him as he leaves Falconia, interested in Rickert's motivations for that. In that hypothetical situation, I doubt Rickert would go into detail and curse Griffith as a monster or anything, but it could be the seed for something larger.

Oh yea! I had to go back a little but now I remember that part. Now I'm really excited to see the next episode. It could be interesting if we have met the infiltrator before... I wonder who it is.....  :badbone:
Title: Re: Episode 337
Post by: ApostleBob on October 07, 2014, 03:27:02 AM
Just saw this on Reddit:

(http://33.media.tumblr.com/a7dc91fa78a5708235984aa6227636a9/tumblr_ncxt24kocs1qesf7io1_1280.jpg)
Title: Re: Episode 337
Post by: OL1M3N on October 07, 2014, 06:44:42 AM
Oh man that's awesome :isidro: btw I'm new here so is there a guide or somethin' because there's alot of things that I don't know.
Title: Re: Episode 337
Post by: Aazealh on October 07, 2014, 07:42:26 AM
Just saw this on Reddit:

http://33.media.tumblr.com/a7dc91fa78a5708235984aa6227636a9/tumblr_ncxt24kocs1qesf7io1_1280.jpg (http://33.media.tumblr.com/a7dc91fa78a5708235984aa6227636a9/tumblr_ncxt24kocs1qesf7io1_1280.jpg)

Hehe, funny, though putting on the sunglasses without turning back and giving him the finger would have probably been cooler. :badbone:

Oh man that's awesome :isidro: btw I'm new here so is there a guide or somethin' because there's alot of things that I don't know.

Welcome! As for a guide... Have you read the forum rules (http://www.skullknight.net/forum/index.php?topic=5626.0) yet? Other than that, feel free to send me a private message if you have any questions.
Title: Re: Episode 337
Post by: Rhombaad on October 07, 2014, 06:16:01 PM
Just saw this on Reddit:

I love the fact that Griffith is still calm and aloof.
Title: Re: Episode 337
Post by: Constantly_Shaved on October 07, 2014, 06:20:11 PM
Oh man! That was great!

I hope we see some interaction between Daiba and Rickert talking about Griffith at some point!
Title: Re: Episode 337
Post by: Griffith on October 10, 2014, 03:14:37 PM
Oh man! That was great!

I hope we see some interaction between Daiba and Rickert talking about Griffith at some point!

I don't think they really have much to add to each other's perspective, though maybe Daiba could enlighten Rickert more about the true nature of Griffith (and it would be cool if Rickert just casually let everyone know he slapped the absolute one in face =), but I'd personally rather see them trade Guts stories. :guts:
Title: Re: Episode 337
Post by: Walter on October 10, 2014, 03:37:01 PM
I hope we see some interaction between Daiba and Rickert talking about Griffith at some point!

Could be. But I'm not sure how fruitful their conversation would be. Daiba tends to use language describing astral phenomena on a level that most people wouldn't understand. It'd probably be more interesting for him to learn that Rickert knew Griffith when he was still a human.

I think the next episode will open with the aftermath of the slap. The tea party-goers asking Griffith what that was all about, while Locus growls in the background. Maybe then we'll see Rickert return to the outer walls and Erica, looking warily at them, contemplating the predicament he's in between hell outside and hell inside. Then, readers say goodbye to Falconia for a while.
Title: Re: Episode 337
Post by: Griffith on October 10, 2014, 04:10:05 PM
Could be. But I'm not sure how fruitful their conversation would be. Daiba tends to use language describing astral phenomena on a level that most people wouldn't understand. It'd probably be more interesting for him to learn that Rickert knew Griffith when he was still a human.

That could be cool, but I feel like Daiba might also take that stuff for granted, like, "Yeah yeah, these guys were all human once. Doesn't matter now." Maybe if Rickert enlightened him to Guts' role in Griffith's downfall, "Tell me more." :daiba:
Title: Re: Episode 337
Post by: puella on October 10, 2014, 07:07:18 PM
To comment a bit on the episode outside of Rickert and Griffith's meeting, I find it funny how Sonia actually likes the tea and the cake but just has to pick on them to bother Charlotte (which fails miserably). And she reads Mule's mind wanting to have the cake...

I found Sonia a bit creepy and weird at first but she's just like a normal young girl. I like how Miura has depicted Schierke and Sonia as having some very typical sides as young girls while they are also exceptionally talented.

This is also the second time we see them eating Charlotte's cake (still wonder what type of cake that first one was). Those seem to be the "warmest" moments for Griffith. However, I wonder if many men enjoy tea. In my surroundings, tea (especially herbal tea) is usually for women...

I think Miura is interested in gastronomy. It was my first impression when I saw Serpico making bouillabaisse on the beach, which is my favorite.
Title: Re: Episode 337
Post by: Walter on October 10, 2014, 07:17:58 PM
I found Sonia a bit creepy and weird at first but she's just like a normal young girl. I like how Miura has depicted Schierke and Sonia as having some very typical sides as young girls while they are also exceptionally talented.

I also found it amusing that her two outbursts are responses to break the mood between Charlotte and Griffith (first when Charlotte is talking to Griff about tea, and also when the Pontiff is talking about them getting married). It's pretty clear what her feelings are on the subject.

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This is also the second time we see them eating Charlotte's cake (still wonder what type of cake that first one was).

White icing and white cake for the white falcon. :griffnotevil:

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However, I wonder if many men enjoy tea. In my surroundings, tea (especially herbal tea) is usually for women...

I drink tea every day (green tea or Earl Grey, depending on what I'm in the mood for). I mostly drink it for the caffeine though, since I don't enjoy coffee. More to your point though, anyone who drinks HERBAL tea regularly is definitely a woman, whether they know it or not.

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I think Miura is interested in gastronomy. It was my first impression when I saw Serpico making bouillabaisse on the beach, which is my favorite.

I could be wrong, but I think it's more of a Japanese culture thing. They seem more focused on their health than most.
Title: Re: Episode 337
Post by: Griffith on October 10, 2014, 11:35:46 PM
I found Sonia a bit creepy and weird at first but she's just like a normal young girl. I like how Miura has depicted Schierke and Sonia as having some very typical sides as young girls while they are also exceptionally talented.

Plus, they have mirror image crushes on their respective father/savior figures. Mule and Isidro need to step up as age appropriate alternatives. :isidro:

This is also the second time we see them eating Charlotte's cake (still wonder what type of cake that first one was). Those seem to be the "warmest" moments for Griffith.

I think when he becomes head of church AND state and can freely burn anyone at the stake for either heresy or treason will be his "warmest" moment. :griffnotevil: Kidding aside, it begs the question we were debating earlier concerning his nature. Is his public behavior as Griffith any less to true to himself than when he's speaking to Ganishka or Skull Knight as Femto, or Guts on the Hill of Swords and even Rickert now? Is he just playing his perfect role on a micro level and being polite, or does he really like tea and cake when he's not manipulating the universe?

White icing and white cake for the white falcon. :griffnotevil:

(http://www.skullknight.net/griffith/skinneronnose.jpg)

I drink tea every day (green tea or Earl Grey, depending on what I'm in the mood for). I mostly drink it for the caffeine though, since I don't enjoy coffee.

I'm the same with teas, though only occasionally, usually when I'm sick. If it's the taste and not your stomach though you gotta get more adventurous, duder. Try some different flavors or just add some milks and mocha in there. It's like saying you don't enjoy chocolate because you've only had the most bitter stuff. Anyway, sorry, I'm not a traditional coffee snob/drinker, it's just my work coming home with me.

More to your point though, anyone who drinks HERBAL tea regularly is definitely a woman, whether they know it or not.

 :ganishka:

I could be wrong, but I think it's more of a Japanese culture thing. They seem more focused on their health than most.

I agree, but our perception might be colored by the American culture thing, where we're defiant about even, ya know, killing ourselves against other people's better judgement. I think most of civilized East and West civilization is more moderate. Enjoy yourself, but ultimately take care of yourself too. It's like the alcohol thing here versus Europe, we love extremes. Plus, you were raised on Southern food (impossibly good as it is bad for you)! My wife is a pure California girl and was shocked by how good, and fatty, Southern food is (and she grew up on Mexican food, which, no joke, I gained 50 lbs eating since we moved in together).

Oh, uh, back on topic, anyone think Locus and some other hotheaded Apostles might try to take matters into their own hands? :zodd:

(http://www.skullknight.net/griffith/zoddpissed.jpg)
Title: Re: Episode 337
Post by: ambientshanks on October 13, 2014, 05:27:00 PM

Oh, uh, back on topic, anyone think Locus and some other hotheaded Apostles might try to take matters into their own hands?

(http://www.skullknight.net/griffith/zoddpissed.jpg)

Hey guys! I don't think the Apostles would anything too rash unless ordered by Griffith himself. Maybe sinister looks and/or death threats from apostles in the future? On a side note, where will Rickert go to since most of the land is being terrorized by trolls and such. Or will he remain in Falconia, living under Griffith who he just bitch-slapped?
Title: Re: Episode 337
Post by: Oburi on October 13, 2014, 07:20:08 PM

I drink tea every day (green tea or Earl Grey, depending on what I'm in the mood for). I mostly drink it for the caffeine though, since I don't enjoy coffee. More to your point though, anyone who drinks HERBAL tea regularly is definitely a woman, whether they know it or not.

Ouch!  :ganishka: But yea I'm the same way. I'll drink a hot tea in the morning since I don't like coffee and then usually green tea as a beverage with meals.
Title: Re: Episode 337
Post by: ryOtoha on October 13, 2014, 08:01:14 PM
I find interesting the fact that Rickert especially after the slap event, even if he found a place in Falconia, helping/protecting people with his skills, ultimately, this will continue to boost the image of Grifith the Falcon of Light, the idea that Falconia is the last safe Heaven. It's a bittersweet feeling.

Aside from their magical fences fonction in order to keep astral being outside, I'm eager to learn what exactly those crystal wings are connected to (the tree ?), the way it could look underneath the soil.
Title: Re: Episode 337
Post by: Benin on October 13, 2014, 08:11:16 PM
I guess Femto couldn't see so close into the future enough bend reality. :ganishka:

The crest in that frame hits home to how long its been since those care free mercenary days of old medieveal mead drinking to utopian aline world we are seeing now. Its exciting and gripping after 24 years the series still shocks and amazes the reader.

There will be an obligatory status quo section when Femto sidelines the explanation to why his friend 'Griffith' sacrificed his companions as all bad guys explain the actions.  :guts:

How long do you guys at the rate the episodes come can we see a compiled Volume 38?

Title: Re: Episode 337
Post by: Delta Phi on October 14, 2014, 02:48:55 PM
How long do you guys at the rate the episodes come can we see a compiled Volume 38?

I think we've got a minute. Last time I checked (which was a month or two ago) we have only roughly half the episodes that are in a volume at this point. My guess is we wont have volume 38 until next year. Keep in mind, we've been very fortunate in the amount of episodes we've seen recently, however, nothing confirms this rate will be maintained.
Title: Re: Episode 337
Post by: Walter on October 14, 2014, 02:58:20 PM
How long do you guys at the rate the episodes come can we see a compiled Volume 38?

If you mean when should we expect to see Vol 38 on store shelves, I'd say spring or summer 2015. But it's really up in the air. Five more episodes are needed for a complete volume.
Title: Re: Episode 337
Post by: Aazealh on October 14, 2014, 05:40:54 PM
On a side note, where will Rickert go to since most of the land is being terrorized by trolls and such. Or will he remain in Falconia, living under Griffith who he just bitch-slapped?

I don't think he will leave the city.
Title: Re: Episode 337
Post by: RotDragon on November 20, 2014, 12:41:21 AM
I don't think he will leave the city.

Even so, the meaning of Rickert stay in Falconia is that he is under the wings of Griffith, and - taking the new and mature Rickert - i dont think thats going to happen. But this leads to another thought... it's not about Rickert stays, but about Erika safety! Since Rickert is caring her, i believe he will stay in Falconia, even with the thread of Griffith's ego or his demon soldiers not taking so easily the bitchslap he gave to Griffith.

Besides that, guys, i wonder... and i think thats a question for all of us...

... HOW Guts/Guts will be able to kill Griffith if he is not only bodyguarded by a freaking army of demons, but he became the high pillar of humanity itself, since Falconia holds literaly most of the kingdoms and the most important people of Albion.
...and there is even the Casca business (will she be beside Guts to fight Griffith, or she will give up of fighting?). :troll:
Title: Re: Episode 337
Post by: Rhombaad on November 20, 2014, 05:22:50 PM
Even so, the meaning of Rickert stay in Falconia is that he is under the wings of Griffith, and - taking the new and mature Rickert - i dont think thats going to happen. But this leads to another thought... it's not about Rickert stays, but about Erika safety! Since Rickert is caring her, i believe he will stay in Falconia, even with the thread of Griffith's ego or his demon soldiers not taking so easily the bitchslap he gave to Griffith.

I'm pretty sure Rickert will continue to live in Falconia. Like you said, he cares most about Erika's safety, and they can't survive outside the city walls at this point. I do wonder if one of the apostles will pay Rickert a visit, though. I don't think Griffith cares enough to order an apostle to kill Rickert, but I wouldn't be surprised if one of them went to see him of its own volition.

Besides that, guys, i wonder... and i think thats a question for all of us...

... HOW Guts/Guts will be able to kill Griffith if he is not only bodyguarded by a freaking army of demons, but he became the high pillar of humanity itself, since Falconia holds literaly most of the kingdoms and the most important people of Albion.

That remains to be seen, doesn't it? I imagine we'll get some clues to how the final battle will go down once the group has spent some time in Elfhelm.

...and there is even the Casca business (will she be beside Guts to fight Griffith, or she will give up of fighting?). :troll:

I think she'll eventually fight alongside Guts.
Title: Re: Episode 337
Post by: Aazealh on November 20, 2014, 06:45:52 PM
Even so, the meaning of Rickert stay in Falconia is that he is under the wings of Griffith, and - taking the new and mature Rickert - i dont think thats going to happen. But this leads to another thought... it's not about Rickert stays, but about Erika safety! Since Rickert is caring her, i believe he will stay in Falconia, even with the thread of Griffith's ego or his demon soldiers not taking so easily the bitchslap he gave to Griffith.

So... you're agreeing with me?

... HOW Guts/Guts will be able to kill Griffith if he is not only bodyguarded by a freaking army of demons, but he became the high pillar of humanity itself, since Falconia holds literaly most of the kingdoms and the most important people of Albion.

The most important people of Albion? You mean Luca and her girls? Anyway, the problem isn't so much Falconia's citizens as it is Griffith's own power. I think this really is the biggest problem for Guts to overcome, and it hasn't changed since volume 3. The apostles, while they're a big deal, are less of a problem I think, as he won't necessarily have to fight them all, or at least not all at once. Besides, out of that whole horde, I think only the cream of the crop are a serious threat anymore.

...and there is even the Casca business (will she be beside Guts to fight Griffith, or she will give up of fighting?).

I think your previous question and this one can be addressed as one. The big player you're not mentioning here is Guts and Casca's son. Femto has taken over his body, but the boy still exists, and he still greatly cares for his parents. I believe that in the end, he will prove to be Griffith's fatal weakness, the crack that will allow Guts to pierce through. At the time same, the possibility that killing Griffith might also mean killing their son is undoubtedly going to be a source of extreme distress for both Guts & Casca. Just as much as knowing what Griffith did to him might be. I believe this multifactor dilemma holds the promise for some very dramatic storytelling.
Title: Re: Episode 337
Post by: RotDragon on November 20, 2014, 08:47:16 PM
I'm pretty sure Rickert will continue to live in Falconia. Like you said, he cares most about Erika's safety, and they can't survive outside the city walls at this point. I do wonder if one of the apostles will pay Rickert a visit, though. I don't think Griffith cares enough to order an apostle to kill Rickert, but I wouldn't be surprised if one of them went to see him of its own volition.

I agree with you, but if we think, what if an apostle shows up to Rickert? I know that he built several deadly machinery but to fight face to face with an apostle, i think it's too much for him. That's why i believe that's the time to some friend help; like Sonia or Mule, something like that, entagles even more the story! xD

That remains to be seen, doesn't it? I imagine we'll get some clues to how the final battle will go down once the group has spent some time in Elfhelm.

That's true! But to see Guts by himself (and his companions) destroy all the demon army and face the people in Falconia maybe is not what is going to happen. My reasons to this is that the balance of the actual human world will be (even more) crushed; since in Falconia demons and humans are side by side, maybe Guts - or the elves in Elfhelm - will have to use another strategy. :puck:


I think she'll eventually fight alongside Guts.

HUAHAH I agree too! Because, in my point of view, Guts will not fight if Casca does not want to, and then no epic battle will happen and everybody will live happilly in Elfhelm, end of the manga!! HUAHUAHA xD
Title: Re: Episode 337
Post by: Walter on November 20, 2014, 08:58:26 PM
I agree with you, but if we think, what if an apostle shows up to Rickert? I know that he built several deadly machinery but to fight face to face with an apostle, i think it's too much for him. That's why i believe that's the time to some friend help; like Sonia or Mule, something like that, entagles even more the story! xD

Well, for the hypothetical situation you're proposing, Daiba and Garuda could always lend a hand. But I don't think Rickert's in any immediate danger.
Title: Re: Episode 337
Post by: RotDragon on November 20, 2014, 08:59:07 PM
So... you're agreeing with me?

Yes! x)

The most important people of Albion? You mean Luca and her girls? Anyway, the problem isn't so much Falconia's citizens as it is Griffith's own power. I think this really is the biggest problem for Guts to overcome, and it hasn't changed since volume 3. The apostles, while they're a big deal, are less of a problem I think, as he won't necessarily have to fight them all, or at least not all at once. Besides, out of that whole horde, I think only the cream of the crop are a serious threat anymore.

HUAHUA Yeeees and nooo! XD The most important people that i was saying is the Pope and the Vandimion lots of money for example. You are right! I believe too that Guts will find another way to face that army without using the Dragonslayer.

I think your previous question and this one can be addressed as one. The big player you're not mentioning here is Guts and Casca's son. Femto has taken over his body, but the boy still exists, and he still greatly cares for his parents. I believe that in the end, he will prove to be Griffith's fatal weakness, the crack that will allow Guts to pierce through. At the time same, the possibility that killing Griffith might also mean killing their son is undoubtedly going to be a source of extreme distress for both Guts & Casca. Just as much as knowing what Griffith did to him might be. I believe this multifactor dilemma holds the promise for some very dramatic storytelling.

Oh man! It's true, he rly can walks in!  :ubik:
But what about the prophecy that Zodd said, that the Skull Knight was leading Guts to the same path he did. Skull Knight Guts was foretold? XD

Well, for the hypothetical situation you're proposing, Daiba and Garuda could always lend a hand. But I don't think Rickert's in any immediate danger.

You are right, it will take time to something happens. Until Guts return the story will be about Falconia itself i believe. With so many characters inside something cool got to happen! (:
Title: Re: Episode 337
Post by: Aazealh on November 20, 2014, 10:36:10 PM
The most important people that i was saying is the Pope and the Vandimion lots of money for example.

Neither of them were present at the Tower of Albion. I believe you're confusing it with Vritannis.

But what about the prophecy that Zodd said, that the Skull Knight was leading Guts to the same path he did. Skull Knight Guts was foretold?

That's not a prophecy, Zodd was just asking the Skull Knight a question. Anyway he was talking about the Berserk's armor and what it does to its wearer. It's another subject entirely.
Title: Re: Episode 337
Post by: TripleJMaster3 on November 21, 2014, 02:01:57 AM
When Zodd first recognized the berserker armor on Guts he was simply asking SK if he intended on having Guts follow in his footsteps. This is not a prophecy but rather foreshadowing for a dilemma Guts will have to face further down the line. SK might have painted a picture of this scenario when he stated what Guts wants may not be what Casca wants once her mind is revived. The reason I say this is because Guts will likely be faced with the decision to either settle down with Casca or continue pursuing his revenge against Griffith which I think we all can agree he or rather the dark beast inside him truly wants.
Title: Re: Episode 337
Post by: Aazealh on November 21, 2014, 10:13:49 AM
When Zodd first recognized the berserker armor on Guts he was simply asking SK if he intended on having Guts follow in his footsteps. This is not a prophecy but rather foreshadowing for a dilemma Guts will have to face further down the line. SK might have painted a picture of this scenario when he stated what Guts wants may not be what Casca wants once her mind is revived.

I don't think the two events are related. Like I said in the post just above yours, Zodd was referring to what happens to those who wear the Berserk's armor. It's not the kind of item one should take lightly, as we have now seen many times with Guts. And from what we know of SK's history, it is likely he fought to death while wearing it.

The reason I say this is because Guts will likely be faced with the decision to either settle down with Casca or continue pursuing his revenge against Griffith which I think we all can agree he or rather the dark beast inside him truly wants.

I don't think settling down with Casca will be possible, or at least not durably so. Sooner or later something will prompt them to go out after Griffith once more. It could be that he'll pose a danger to the whole world ("Elfhelm might be the last to fall, but in the end, it will fall"), or it could be for a more personal reason (their child...). Either way, I don't think Guts and Casca will be separated again like they were in the past. She can deal with the Beast of Darkness. :casca:
Title: Re: Episode 337
Post by: RotDragon on November 21, 2014, 10:46:03 AM
I don't think the two events are related. Like I said in the post just above yours, Zodd was referring to what happens to those who wear the Berserk's armor. It's not the kind of item one should take lightly, as we have now seen many times with Guts. And from what we know of SK's history, it is likely he fought to death while wearing it.

That is what i believe too. Since it was told that the last person who used the Berserker Armor died because the same armor drops every drop of the user's blood. Then, when SK died by the armor, something awakens that transform him into the same we know. It was not told if the cause was the armor itself or some Beherit, or another thing completly different, like magic. But the same thing can happen with Guts, just like SK said "you will lose many things, heat, vision..." and i remember the armor itself saying that it will remain controlled because it will wait for some hate crisis of Guts to unleash its full potential, and maybe this will kill Guts by the same reasons SK was killed. That is why i said "SK Guts" was coming.


I don't think settling down with Casca will be possible, or at least not durably so. Sooner or later something will prompt them to go out after Griffith once more. It could be that he'll pose a danger to the whole world ("Elfhelm might be the last to fall, but in the end, it will fall"), or it could be for a more personal reason (their child...). Either way, I don't think Guts and Casca will be separated again like they were in the past. She can deal with the Beast of Darkness. :casca:

I agree with you, but Casca will have to get some "special powers" like the rest of the group. I think Casca will get some dark magic, like the one she used on that church saga to get out of the iron maiden.
Title: Re: Episode 337
Post by: Aazealh on November 21, 2014, 12:05:31 PM
Since it was told that the last person who used the Berserker Armor died because the same armor drops every drop of the user's blood.

It's not that the armor "drops" the blood of the user, but it keeps its wearer fighting regardless of what damage they sustain, and so the previous user fought to the death that way.

Then, when SK died by the armor, something awakens that transform him into the same we know. It was not told if the cause was the armor itself or some Beherit, or another thing completly different, like magic. But the same thing can happen with Guts, just like SK said "you will lose many things, heat, vision..."

We are not told what happened to the previous wearer of the armor, but I think it's safe to rule out both the Berserk's armor itself or a beherit as a possible cause for his survival... And when SK told Guts that he would lose many things, he was talking about the long term side-effects of wearing the Berserk's armor (which Guts has already started experiencing), but not about what eventually happened to him.

i remember the armor itself saying that it will remain controlled because it will wait for some hate crisis of Guts to unleash its full potential, and maybe this will kill Guts by the same reasons SK was killed. That is why i said "SK Guts" was coming.

That was the Beast of Darkness, not the Berserk's armor (Guts was not wearing it at the time). So in essence it was Guts talking to himself. The Beast of Darkness is a personification of the darker parts of his mind.

I agree with you, but Casca will have to get some "special powers" like the rest of the group. I think Casca will get some dark magic, like the one she used on that church saga to get out of the iron maiden.

I'm not very worried about Casca's fighting prowess. But you're mistaken, what happened during the Conviction arc (what you erroneously referred to as the "church saga") wasn't her exhibiting dark magic, it was a huge mass of evil spirits that were all drawn to her because of her Brand (and there were so many because that torture room had seen many, many deaths). Casca would have been killed by that mass of evil if it hadn't been for her son, who appeared at that time to protect her from it.
Title: Re: Episode 337
Post by: TripleJMaster3 on November 21, 2014, 01:53:18 PM
I don't think the two events are related. Like I said in the post just above yours, Zodd was referring to what happens to those who wear the Berserk's armor. It's not the kind of item one should take lightly, as we have now seen many times with Guts. And from what we know of SK's history, it is likely he fought to death while wearing it.

I don't think settling down with Casca will be possible, or at least not durably so. Sooner or later something will prompt them to go out after Griffith once more. It could be that he'll pose a danger to the whole world ("Elfhelm might be the last to fall, but in the end, it will fall"), or it could be for a more personal reason (their child...). Either way, I don't think Guts and Casca will be separated again like they were in the past. She can deal with the Beast of Darkness. :casca:

No not directly related, but rather key dialogues in regard to the future of this story. If Guts continues to fight in the Berserker armor he will ultimately end up like SK. I dont think any magical companinon will be able to prevent this from happening forever. SK said Guts and a mentally revived Casca may not want the same. So far the only thing I can think SK would be referring to is whether or not they should try to kill Griffith, especially if his life force is directly connected to their child. However, maybe what he is referring to is Guts' feelings for Casca and that once mentally sound she will no longer feel the same way, intimately, about Guts.
Title: Re: Episode 337
Post by: Aazealh on November 21, 2014, 03:56:55 PM
If Guts continues to fight in the Berserker armor he will ultimately end up like SK. I dont think any magical companinon will be able to prevent this from happening forever.

Well like I told RotDragon, we don't know what it was that turned the Skull Knight into what he is right now. I wouldn't assume that it can be replicated for Guts (and I'm absolutely certain that it'll never happen). What's sure is that using the armor wantonly would result in his death. As for whether a careful use, magical aid and help from his companions could make it possible for him to keep relying on it without it being too detrimental... We'll see. Elfhelm holds the key to that question.

SK said Guts and a mentally revived Casca may not want the same. So far the only thing I can think SK would be referring to is whether or not they should try to kill Griffith, especially if his life force is directly connected to their child. However, maybe what he is referring to is Guts' feelings for Casca and that once mentally sound she will no longer feel the same way, intimately, about Guts.

What the Skull Knight said could be interpreted in quite a few ways, including that Casca may not even want to be restored to her former self.
Title: Re: Episode 337
Post by: TripleJMaster3 on November 22, 2014, 12:44:41 AM
Well like I told RotDragon, we don't know what it was that turned the Skull Knight into what he is right now. I wouldn't assume that it can be replicated for Guts (and I'm absolutely certain that it'll never happen). What's sure is that using the armor wantonly would result in his death. As for whether a careful use, magical aid and help from his companions could make it possible for him to keep relying on it without it being too detrimental... We'll see. Elfhelm holds the key to that question.

What the Skull Knight said could be interpreted in quite a few ways, including that Casca may not even want to be restored to her former self.

Yes, we really don't know what caused SK's transformation or even how is human form died. There seems to be a strong possibility that SK could be King Gaiseric. If this is the case his death and transformation could be linked to the god hand (angels).

As for Casca, there are quite a few possibilities, as you said, of what SK's words could mean for her. However, I don't know if in her mental state if she has the capacity to refuse mental restoration. :???: I guess we will have to wait for the next episode, a fact that all Berserk readers must become accustom to. I for one have added reading the conclusion of this great story to my bucket list.
Title: Re: Episode 337
Post by: Aazealh on November 22, 2014, 10:21:08 AM
Yes, we really don't know what caused SK's transformation or even how is human form died. There seems to be a strong possibility that SK could be King Gaiseric. If this is the case his death and transformation could be linked to the god hand (angels).

I'd go ahead and say it's a foregone conclusion that the Skull Knight was indeed at some point in his life Emperor Gaiseric. As for how he came to be what he is now, my speculation on the matter is that he refused to die. His astral self refused to move on into the great ocean of souls, and his allies, maybe the same dwarves that had created the Berserk's armor, fashioned another magical suit of armor for him, one that could hold his soul "captive" and allow him to haunt the world like he has for a thousand years. I believe this story is likely to be revealed to us in Elfhelm.

As for Casca, there are quite a few possibilities, as you said, of what SK's words could mean for her. However, I don't know if in her mental state if she has the capacity to refuse mental restoration. :???:

No, of course not, but the point is that if she were to be brought back, she might not be thankful for it, or at least have trouble accepting it. She's in this condition in the first place for a good reason, and I think the healing process will be painful for her, just as it has been (and still is) for Guts. She could even resist it.
Title: Re: Episode 337
Post by: RotDragon on November 22, 2014, 12:25:38 PM
I'd go ahead and say it's a foregone conclusion that the Skull Knight was indeed at some point in his life Emperor Gaiseric. As for how he came to be what he is now, my speculation on the matter is that he refused to die. His astral self refused to move on into the great ocean of souls, and his allies, maybe the same dwarves that had created the Berserk's armor, fashioned another magical suit of armor for him, one that could hold his soul "captive" and allow him to haunt the world like he has for a thousand years. I believe this story is likely to be revealed to us in Elfhelm.

About that, we really dont know if Gaiseric gained his abilities of SK because of the Berserk Armor (since the same armor had the skull shape on the helmet), or it was by the Beherit. And when i say about the Beherit it is because his kingdom was vaniquished by the Eclipse; remember when the band of the hawk was going to rescue Griffith, and then the torch falls showing that there was once a city that ends with its people marked with the sacrifice sign. I think it has more connection about the reason for SK hates the demons, since Charlotte said that the King Gaiseric and his nobles live a Baco`s life, full of orgies, wine and things like that, then - one day - they were punished by FIVE angels sent by god. Once they arrive in Elfhelm the story will be told ( i hope xD).

No, of course not, but the point is that if she were to be brought back, she might not be thankful for it, or at least have trouble accepting it. She's in this condition in the first place for a good reason, and I think the healing process will be painful for her, just as it has been (and still is) for Guts. She could even resist it.

Guys, remember how Guts react when he awakens in that cavern after the Eclipse? It radically change his life forever, he became another person. Now imagine for Casca, that not only lost hers companions but was raped by the same guy she admire, gave birth to a demon child and awakens in a completly different world. I think she will not want to fight (and that is why SK told this to Guts, since he is going to make the decision), not only because the skill she have will not be enough to fight demons and monsters (if the weapon isn't magic or the Dragonslayer, it can not harm beings not human - Godeau said something like that about the Dragonslayer) but she has not the rage Guts have. Rickert didn't rage and it is not of the persona of Casca to do so (but is Guts'). That's why i have two thoughts: 1) Guts will not allow Casca regain hers sanity, in order to fight Griffith; 2) Even if Casca regains her sanity and wants to fight, she will need or a new magic weapon to fight or she will use some kind of magic. And we can always wait the Demon Child shows up, he/she doesn't appear in a while now...
Title: Re: Episode 337
Post by: Aazealh on November 22, 2014, 01:28:17 PM
About that, we really dont know if Gaiseric gained his abilities of SK because of the Berserk Armor (since the same armor had the skull shape on the helmet), or it was by the Beherit.

I don't think it was either, and neither should you.

And when i say about the Beherit it is because his kingdom was vaniquished by the Eclipse; remember when the band of the hawk was going to rescue Griffith, and then the torch falls showing that there was once a city that ends with its people marked with the sacrifice sign. I think it has more connection about the reason for SK hates the demons, since Charlotte said that the King Gaiseric and his nobles live a Baco`s life, full of orgies, wine and things like that, then - one day - they were punished by FIVE angels sent by god.

In volume 18, Guts and Puck meet the Skull Knight. Puck notices then that he has an "elfin aura" about him, a notion that reinforces what I just told you, and that, along with the fact the Skull Knight elicits no reaction from the Brand, makes it extremely unlikely that he is evil. You say "Emperor Gaiseric's kindgom was vanquished by the Eclipse", but that's not what we're told when the members of the Band of the Falcon discuss the legend with Charlotte. The capital city was destroyed during a cataclysmic event, that is all we know. Four or five angels are involved, according to the legend. The exact number isn't known for sure, just as the tale itself is unreliable. The reason it was destroyed is unknown.

We do see branded skulls, but there is no context provided for them. So while it is reasonable to assume a sacrifice occurred and was related to the destruction of the city and Gaiseric's downfall, there is no reason to assume the sacrifice was performed by Gaiseric himself. Rather, given the parallels between him and Guts, one should wonder whether he himself might have been sacrificed. If Gaiseric had become a member of the God Hand (the word "demon" has no specific meaning here), he obviously would not be opposing the God Hand, nor would he be helping Guts.

Guys, remember how Guts react when he awakens in that cavern after the Eclipse? It radically change his life forever, he became another person.

It certainly had a strong impact, but I wouldn't say that he became another person.

I think she will not want to fight (and that is why SK told this to Guts, since he is going to make the decision), not only because the skill she have will not be enough to fight demons and monsters (if the weapon isn't magic or the Dragonslayer, it can not harm beings not human - Godeau said something like that about the Dragonslayer) but she has not the rage Guts have.

You are making a ton of assumptions here. First, like we talked about, SK's line could mean many different things. We don't know for sure. I also don't think we should dwell on it too much, as it could very well be something more subtle and complicated than an A/B choice. Second, Casca was a great warrior, and there's no reason to think she won't be able to adapt to fight apostles or other supernatural creatures. I'm also really not too worried about the difficulty of procuring magical equipment in Elfhelm. Third, you're mistaken about Godot's line about the Dragon Slayer, he never said anything of the sort. Apostles can be killed by non-magical weapons.

Rickert didn't rage and it is not of the persona of Casca to do so (but is Guts').

Not sure I'd say that Casca isn't prone to anger... That aside, I don't get your point here. Rickert didn't "rage", but he did slap Griffith in the face and told him what was up without flinching in this very episode. And Casca has a lot more reasons to be angry/resentful than Rickert does.

That's why i have two thoughts: 1) Guts will not allow Casca regain hers sanity, in order to fight Griffith;

Dude, Guts has been traveling to Elfhelm for years now specifically to protect Casca. In volume 17 he decided he wouldn't repeat the mistakes of the past and went after her. He has stayed with her ever since, and has already chosen her over his revenge on Griffith, a choice he has repeated a few times since. To go to Elfhelm and just leave her to go fight Griffith would be almost identifical to what he did in volume 14. It would be a huge mistake, and would be going back on everything he's done for the past 20 volumes. There is just no way Guts will ever voluntarily do that.

2) Even if Casca regains her sanity and wants to fight, she will need or a new magic weapon to fight or she will use some kind of magic.

Do you think that would be a problem? For her to find appropriate equipment in Elfhelm? Like I said I'm really not too worried about it.

And we can always wait the Demon Child shows up, he/she doesn't appear in a while now...

As far as the story goes, he just left the group. His last appearance was in episode 327.
Title: Re: Episode 337
Post by: rashikal on November 23, 2014, 04:25:58 AM
does anyone know when 338 will be released? or how long the hiatus will be?  :???:
Title: Re: Episode 337
Post by: Walter on November 23, 2014, 05:35:58 AM
does anyone know when 338 will be released? or how long the hiatus will be?  :???:

Nope.
Title: Re: Episode 337
Post by: Delta Phi on November 23, 2014, 04:02:42 PM
does anyone know when 338 will be released? or how long the hiatus will be?  :???:

You can be sure that when that information becomes available that it will be posted somewhere on this site.

All this Casca discussion has me really excited for (hopefully) seeing her take down her first apostle post-occultation ceremony. If/when she takes up her sword again…man, that'll be a great day.
Title: Re: Episode 337
Post by: TripleJMaster3 on December 13, 2014, 01:19:42 AM
I'd go ahead and say it's a foregone conclusion that the Skull Knight was indeed at some point in his life Emperor Gaiseric. As for how he came to be what he is now, my speculation on the matter is that he refused to die.

Im glad you pointed this out. SK had previously referred to Guts as a "struggler" against fate, so it is very possible that he also found a way to escape the eclipse, which could be what caused the downfall of his empire. The real question is what specifically caused his transformation as it does not seem to be linked to any evil elements since, as you have already pointed out, the Brand has no reaction to his presense. Could it be that his transformation is linked to sorcery (witch) or perhaps powers bestowed upon him from the elf king which if correct would support your idea of an upcoming revelation in Elfhelm? Far fetched but I am short on possiblities that fall in line with the story.  :badbone:
Title: Re: Episode 337
Post by: Aazealh on December 13, 2014, 11:09:33 AM
Im glad you pointed this out. SK had previously referred to Guts as a "struggler" against fate

He just calls him a struggler, not a struggle "against fate" specifically.

The real question is what specifically caused his transformation as it does not seem to be linked to any evil elements since, as you have already pointed out, the Brand has no reaction to his presense. Could it be that his transformation is linked to sorcery (witch) or perhaps powers bestowed upon him from the elf king which if correct would support your idea of an upcoming revelation in Elfhelm? Far fetched but I am short on possiblities that fall in line with the story.

My standard theory is that he died and because he wanted to keep fighting and not rejoin the great ocean of souls, the elves/dwarves fashioned him a magical suit of armor that could contain his soul. Thus he has existed that way for a thousand years, neither truly alive nor dead.
Title: Re: Episode 337
Post by: Johnstantine on December 13, 2014, 01:46:52 PM
My standard theory is that he died and because he wanted to keep fighting and not rejoin the great ocean of souls, the elves/dwarves fashioned him a magical suit of armor that could contain his soul. Thus he has existed that way for a thousand years, neither truly alive nor dead.

But he is alive...in our hearts.
Title: Re: Episode 337
Post by: RotDragon on December 30, 2014, 12:34:09 AM
That is why he looks so eerie? Because his armor was given to Guts?
At first, I thought that SK was just a presence (some sort of a wander-spirit like), but the way he crafted that Beherit sword, for me, means that he is far beyond just a spirit that does not to die. I hope Elfhelm shows us soon the answer  :sad:
Title: Re: Episode 337
Post by: Aazealh on December 30, 2014, 06:43:54 PM
That is why he looks so eerie? Because his armor was given to Guts?

Uhhh, no? He's been wearing the same armor since his introduction in volume 9, and he's also always been "eerie". The fact Guts is now using an armor the Skull Knight wore a thousand years ago is irrelevant to that fact.

At first, I thought that SK was just a presence (some sort of a wander-spirit like), but the way he crafted that Beherit sword, for me, means that he is far beyond just a spirit that does not to die. I hope Elfhelm shows us soon the answer  :sad:

Well he's certainly more than a "presence" since he seemingly has a corporeal form. As for who and what he really is, I do suspect that Elfhelm will provide us with some answers.
Title: Re: Episode 337
Post by: murata on January 13, 2015, 08:39:43 AM
Isn't it possible that the Skull knight is the former owner of the red Beherit ?

I've always imagined him supposed to be the 5th God Hand but then refuse this power, either because he didn't fall in the trap (like the illusion griffith had) of the other god hand's members or because he refused the transformation after he talked to God (as in the hidden episode). The second possiility would explain why everybody in the tower was marked.

That's also why he would be so close to (Edit: griffith) Guts : the two of them has escape causality.
Title: Re: Episode 337
Post by: Aazealh on January 13, 2015, 12:43:48 PM
Isn't it possible that the Skull knight is the former owner of the red Beherit ?

It's not very likely at this point, for a multitude of reasons.

The second possiility would explain why everybody in the tower was marked.

It seems hard to believe that someone would change their mind after having made the sacrifice.

That's also why he would be so close to griffith : the two them has escape causality.

I take it you wrote Griffith instead of Guts here, as the Skull Knight and Griffith aren't close, and Griffith has rather embraced causality. But regardless, neither Guts nor the Skull Knight have "escaped causality".
Title: Re: Episode 337
Post by: murata on January 15, 2015, 08:00:55 AM
Yes, i wanted to say Guts :) My bad

Can you tell why you think it's not possible that the skullknight can't be the former owner of the beherit ?

And i really think that guts escape partially the causality. The god hand's member were suprised to see him survived and they are supposed to know all what is going to happen.

Ps: i'm not a pro of berserk. Only read the manga twice, so it's only my humble opinion :)
Title: Re: Episode 337
Post by: Delta Phi on January 15, 2015, 05:37:56 PM
Can you tell why you think it's not possible that the skullknight can't be the former owner of the beherit ?

Think back to the Count. When he refused to sacrifice he was dragged into the Vortex of Souls, which, presumably, one does not come back from.

The god hand's member were suprised to see him survived and they are supposed to know all what is going to happen.

The God Hand have remarked about the unexpected in the past. There's actually nothing to suggest that they are all-knowing. They are just aware of causality and it's effects.

Example: If I have a hand full of diamonds and a half full of shit and ask you to choose one, I have a pretty good idea of which one you'll choose, however, it doesn't mean I know for a fact that you'll choose the diamonds. :void:
Title: Re: Episode 337
Post by: Salem on January 15, 2015, 05:47:40 PM
Example: If I have a hand full of diamonds and a half full of shit and ask you to choose one, I have a pretty good idea of which one you'll choose, however, it's doesn't mean I know for a fact that you'll choose the diamonds. :void:

Bahahahaha, so true.    :ubik:
Title: Re: Episode 337
Post by: Rhombaad on January 15, 2015, 06:42:22 PM
Think back to the Count. When he refused to sacrifice he was dragged into the Vortex of Souls, which, presumably, one does not come back from.

Keep in mind, though, that the Count was dying when he summoned the God Hand. Griffith, presumably, wouldn't have been dragged into the Vortex of Souls if he had refused to sacrifice the Band of the Falcon.
Title: Re: Episode 337
Post by: jackson_hurley on January 15, 2015, 06:46:36 PM

 The god hand's member were surprised to see him survived and they are supposed to know all what is going to happen.


actually the godhand comments in the eclipse that they can't account every minute details and I think it's Slan that says this :" we are not gods after all" or something in the likes.  :slan:
Title: Re: Episode 337
Post by: Aazealh on January 15, 2015, 06:54:12 PM
Can you tell why you think it's not possible that the skullknight can't be the former owner of the beherit ?

For the record, I have entertained for at least 10 years the idea of the Skull Knight refusing to sacrifice because he was better than that, stronger willed than any other, etc. It's a cool idea, but it just isn't the likeliest one at this point. Let's start with the basics: the Skull Knight has historically opposed the God Hand, and has always expressed contempt for them. He's taken Guts under his wing, like a mentor of sorts. He does not have an "aura of evil" about him like apostles or members of the God Hand do. Flora has likened Guts' condition to his own. And he's very likely to have been Gaiseric while he was still human.

Now, we know for a fact that a sacrifice occurred during Gaiseric's reign, and that it likely ended said reign. But since the Skull Knight isn't affiliated with the God Hand or apostles, it couldn't have been him. What would then be the best way to tie him to the events in a manner similar to what Guts has gone through? Of course, it's to have him be among those who were sacrificed. Probably betrayed by someone close to him, in an interesting reversal of the Guts/Griffith dynamic.

Anyway, wording is important here too. Maybe Gaiseric did have a beherit in his possession at some point (as you know, Guts carries one around as well), but he was not the one who sacrificed the people at the bottom of the Tower of Rebirth.

And i really think that guts escape partially the causality. The god hand's member were suprised to see him survived and they are supposed to know all what is going to happen.

Members of the God Hand are not omniscient, nor do they manipulate causality as far as we know (that is the prerogative of the Idea of Evil). What makes Guts different from normal people (other than his iron will and superhuman fighting prowess) is the Brand. Because he was branded, he exists in the Interstice between the Corporeal and Astral worlds (note that the same applies to Casca). Having a certain hold within the Astral world allows him some leeway compared to people who are limited to the Corporeal world (this is all explained in the manga). That means resisting a trend, going against the flow, but not being free of any influence. An important nuance.

The Skull Knight actually comments on this while talking to Flora in volume 24. And indeed, let us not forget that Guts does carry a beherit around, and that beherits are directly related to the Idea of Evil. Ah, by the way, do you remember when Griffith saved the city of Vritannis from Ganishka? The Band of the Falcon defeated his armies as they were attacking the town, all the while Ganishka stayed put in his chambers. Remember who had defeated Ganishka's magic and thwarted the assault of his more monstrous troops (commanded by Daiba) just hours before, preventing Vritannis from early destruction? Yep, that's Guts and his friends. Interestingly enough, if you'll recall, that same wound that Guts had inflicted him still plagued him in Wyndham as he desparately threw himself into the "artificial beherit" in a last bid to match Griffith's power.

Oh, one last thing: who was the one who ultimately split open Ganishka, unwillingly putting the final touch to what was always the God Hand's plan? The merging of the worlds and the advent of Falconia? That's right, it was the Skull Knight. It's not what he meant to do, but it's what happened. Not so easy to beat the Idea of Evil at its own game.

Think back to the Count. When he refused to sacrifice he was dragged into the Vortex of Souls, which, presumably, one does not come back from.

He was dragged into the Vortex of Souls because he was already an apostle and was dying, not because he had refused to sacrifice. So this example can't apply here. It's just that sacrificing Theresia would have allowed him to escape his demise.
Title: Re: Episode 337
Post by: Delta Phi on January 16, 2015, 12:22:32 AM
Keep in mind, though, that the Count was dying when he summoned the God Hand. Griffith, presumably, wouldn't have been dragged into the Vortex of Souls if he had refused to sacrifice the Band of the Falcon.

He was dragged into the Vortex of Souls because he was already an apostle and was dying, not because he had refused to sacrifice. So this example can't apply here. It's just that sacrificing Theresia would have allowed him to escape his demise.

Noted. Great point that seems to have slip my mind. For some reason I've always assume it was the alternative. After all, the Count is the only refusal we've had the privileged of seeing.
Title: Re: Episode 337
Post by: Walter on January 16, 2015, 01:29:56 AM
For some reason I've always assume it was the alternative. After all, the Count is the only refusal we've had the privileged of seeing.

The alternative to accepting the sacrifice is explained by Void in Vol 12: "bury everything in the ruins of your dream. ... That is the cruel grace of the god born of man." Basically, accept our wonderful offer or go on, knowing what could have been.
Title: Re: Episode 337
Post by: Delta Phi on January 16, 2015, 02:32:03 AM
The alternative to accepting the sacrifice is explained by Void in Vol 12: "bury everything in the ruins of your dream. ... That is the cruel grace of the god born of man." Basically, accept our wonderful offer or go on, knowing what could have been.

Ah, awesome! Man, why don't I remember this?! Thanks for pointing that line out, Walter.
Title: Re: Episode 337
Post by: BeingofEvil on January 16, 2015, 08:36:10 AM
Quote from: Aazealh
Now, we know for a fact that a sacrifice occurred during Gaiseric's reign, and that it likely ended said reign. But since the Skull Knight isn't affiliated with the God Hand or apostles, it couldn't have been him. What would then be the best way to tie him to the events in a manner similar to what Guts has gone through? Of course, it's to have him be among those who were sacrificed. Probably betrayed by someone close to him, in an interesting reversal of the Guts/Griffith dynamic.
I can see whole, God Hand, as Gaiseric court. For example, Void could be his mage, like Merlin of King Arthur, Slan could be his courtesan, Ubik jester and Konrad maybe herold (because his mouth looks like trumpet :D or maybe priest? because of folded hands). So they conspired against Gaiseric, Void showed them Beherit and then, they all used it together... which caused kingdom to downfall.
Title: Re: Episode 337
Post by: Delta Phi on January 16, 2015, 01:09:56 PM
I can see whole, God Hand, as Gaiseric court. For example, Void could be his mage, like Merlin of King Arthur, Slan could be his courtesan, Ubik jester and Konrad maybe herold (because his mouth looks like trumpet :D or maybe priest? because of folded hands). So they conspired against Gaiseric, Void showed them Beherit and then, they all used it together... which caused kingdom to downfall.

It's a fun idea, but the Eclipse ceremony (and thus, the birth of a new member of the God Hand) only happens once every 216 years. I think the chances of the four original members all being human at the same time is highly unlikely (impossible, from what we know). Many people have speculated that Void and Gaiseric had a special connection while they were alive, however.
Title: Re: Episode 337
Post by: Walter on January 16, 2015, 03:58:37 PM
On that note, let's please move this into a separate thread if you'd like to continue discussing Gaiseric and the God Hand. When this thread lights up, people generally think we're discussing the episode or future episodes.

Pretty please  :void:
Title: Re: Episode 337
Post by: Count on January 17, 2015, 09:29:13 AM
Hello! I am new to this forum and before I try my luck with my first contribution, I would like to give my thanks for accepting me, and for the good work put on this website. There's no place like this in the internet so, keep up the good work  :ubik:

Now, we know for a fact that a sacrifice occurred during Gaiseric's reign, and that it likely ended said reign. But since the Skull Knight isn't affiliated with the God Hand or apostles, it couldn't have been him. What would then be the best way to tie him to the events in a manner similar to what Guts has gone through? Of course, it's to have him be among those who were sacrificed. Probably betrayed by someone close to him, in an interesting reversal of the Guts/Griffith dynamic.

I have allways thought that way, and the reversal of the Guts/Griffith dynamic, being portrayed by Gaiseric (on the assumption that he is the SkullKnight) and Void (assuming that their story is related), however, there is a "mathematical" issue that is been bugging me about this, and I hope anyone can help me, making it more clear:
 
 Each member of the GodHand were born every 216 years. Charlotte said that 1000 years ago Gaiseric´s empire ended so Femto´s birth was 1000 years after Gaiseric´s end. There are 5 GodHands so; 216 multiplied by five you have 1080 years since the birth of the first God Hand which means that when Gaiseric was destroyed, the first GodHand already had 80 years "on the Job". They couldn't have met each other the way Griff and Guts did! What you guys think?
Title: Re: Episode 337
Post by: Aazealh on January 17, 2015, 11:45:57 AM
Hello! I am new to this forum and before I try my luck with my first contribution, I would like to give my thanks for accepting me, and for the good work put on this website. There's no place like this in the internet so, keep up the good work  :ubik:

Hello and welcome!

there is a "mathematical" issue that is been bugging me about this, and I hope anyone can help me, making it more clear:
 
 Each member of the GodHand were born every 216 years. Charlotte said that 1000 years ago Gaiseric´s empire ended so Femto´s birth was 1000 years after Gaiseric´s end. There are 5 GodHands so; 216 multiplied by five you have 1080 years since the birth of the first God Hand which means that when Gaiseric was destroyed, the first GodHand already had 80 years "on the Job". They couldn't have met each other the way Griff and Guts did! What you guys think?

Actually you got the numbers wrong, it's really 864 years. Year 0 (1st GH) > Year 216 (2nd GH) > Year 432 (3rd GH) > Year 648 (4th GH) > Year 864 (5th GH). Still, the problem remains that it doesn't fit a 1000 years scenario. There's no explanation for it, because we just don't have enough information about those events yet. However it's not hard to think of possible ways for it to happen, from the "1000 years" reference being a general estimation and not meant to be exact, to the first occurrence being a special case and thus not bound by the same rules.
Title: Re: Episode 337
Post by: TripleJMaster3 on January 29, 2015, 12:37:21 AM
On a reread of the darkhorse translated version, I had been reading inaccurate translations before, I noticed that Puck mentioned that SK felt like an elf. This was right before they reach the Tower of Conviction. Not sure how significant this is but it seems to support the theory that SKs powers were given to him from the elves.
Title: Re: Episode 337
Post by: Walter on January 29, 2015, 03:35:55 PM
On a reread of the darkhorse translated version, I had been reading inaccurate translations before, I noticed that Puck mentioned that SK felt like an elf. This was right before they reach the Tower of Conviction. Not sure how significant this is but it seems to support the theory that SKs powers were given to him from the elves.

Or his armor. Guts' armor also came from the elves, after all.
Title: Re: Episode 337
Post by: RaffoBaffo on February 16, 2015, 09:19:29 PM
I didn't want to open a new Topic just for this, so i'm posting here:

(http://blog-imgs-49.fc2.com/h/o/n/honyaakiba/blog_import_5057208dc6dcb.jpg)
Title: Re: Episode 337
Post by: Rhombaad on February 16, 2015, 09:56:33 PM
Miura's art never ceases to amaze me. It's really cool seeing Wyald drawn with his current style.
Title: Re: Episode 337
Post by: Aazealh on February 16, 2015, 10:00:32 PM
I didn't want to open a new Topic just for this, so i'm posting here:

I remember seeing that one online before, I think it was exposed in a big Japanese bookstore to celebrate the 20th anniversary of the series. Still pretty cool!
Title: Re: Episode 337
Post by: RaffoBaffo on February 17, 2015, 01:08:38 AM
I think it was exposed in a big Japanese bookstore to celebrate the 20th anniversary of the series. Still pretty cool!
If i recal correctly, it's a tribute for the 20th Anniversary of YA.
Title: Re: Episode 337
Post by: The Ruffled Swordsman on March 12, 2015, 07:01:04 AM
Just finished reading this.

I thought one of the most significant panels was one that took up the whole page, of griffith and rickert staring at one another.  It hits home, and home in berserk is something that you never truly feel like you can get back to, and when you do it never seems to be what you were asking.

Griffith and Rickert standing there hit home, but it didn't bring back any good nostalgia, only a realization of what had come to pass.  Despite all the unresolved issues brought up on the way to see the nest of the war demon army, that panel was showed the resolve that would follow SLAP!

Rickert's speech managed to both bring the feelings and articulate exactly, why this motherfucker should have never asked him to be apart of the new band of the hawk in the first place.  He planted each one of those individual swords and made each tribute for his fallen comrade.

I liked how in every situation that drew a contrast between Rickert's old time with the band of the hawk, for example when he noted the difference of the capitol city, he would stare at the old badge.

And that all led up to him finding the distinction he needed within in it. 

I'm not sure Rickert knew what he was going to do ahead of time, but that panel where they stood of that took up the whole page, brought it to ahead.

It wasn't that he needed to see griffith to hear his regrets as Locus said, it was to bring it all to ahead to confront it directly.


Powerful moment. 
Title: Re: Episode 337
Post by: hearTes on April 25, 2015, 03:35:33 PM
Is there any news at all on Berserk episode 338?
I know Berserk reddit has a sidebar containing info regarding latest episodes but it's been like 30+ weeks, another new record!
Is Miura working on the new Berserk movie or something?
Title: Re: Episode 337
Post by: Walter on April 25, 2015, 05:20:27 PM
No. And there's nothing record-setting about 30 weeks.

When the release is known, you will know.
Title: Re: Episode 337
Post by: Mangetsu on May 09, 2015, 01:14:14 PM
Was not sure where to post this, so i will just do it here in this thread. This is a recent drawing by Miura of Guts, which also includes his autograph of course. Probably done for a contest, in which the winner would get this drawing. This drawing also seems to be drawn with the brush, if you zoom in you can see the brush strokes. Im not sure though

Love it   :badbone:

Edit: Im not sure if it is a recent drawing or not, but it atleast seems to be one.

(http://i.imgur.com/ibW9HYz.jpg)
Title: Re: Episode 337
Post by: hearTes on May 09, 2015, 03:10:43 PM
Was not sure where to post this, so i will just do it here in this thread. This is a recent drawing by Miura of Guts, which also includes his autograph of course. Probably done for a contest, in which the winenr would get this drawing. This drawing also seems to be drawn with the brush, if you zoom in you can see the brush strokes. Im not sure though

Love it   :badbone:

http://i.imgur.com/ibW9HYz.jpg (http://i.imgur.com/ibW9HYz.jpg)

How Recent?
Title: Re: Episode 337
Post by: Mangetsu on May 09, 2015, 03:25:08 PM
How Recent?

My mistake, the guy who posted did not say when he was in japan just for how long he was there. 

It is from this reddit post btw.

http://www.reddit.com/r/Berserk/comments/35d90u/drawing_of_guts_in_nakano_broadway/
Title: Re: Episode 337
Post by: Aazealh on May 09, 2015, 07:34:27 PM
I don't know exactly where or when this illustration first originated (it does look familiar though), but the auction for it at Mandarake will take place in July.
Title: Re: Episode 337
Post by: JMP on May 11, 2015, 03:37:51 PM
Nice! That's a cool pic.  :guts:
Title: Re: Episode 337
Post by: NeaR on June 07, 2015, 02:31:47 PM
Or his armor. Guts' armor also came from the elves, after all.

Didn't it come from Dwarves?
Title: Re: Episode 337
Post by: Walter on June 07, 2015, 02:34:00 PM
Dwarves are a kind of elf in Berserk.
Title: Re: Episode 337
Post by: RaffoBaffo on June 07, 2015, 05:45:47 PM
I found this:

(http://p.twpl.jp/show/orig/vNSEE)
Title: Re: Episode 337
Post by: Aazealh on June 07, 2015, 09:14:47 PM
I found this:

http://p.twpl.jp/show/orig/vNSEE (http://p.twpl.jp/show/orig/vNSEE)

Damn, that's a nice one! The kanji on his Kuri form says "soul".
Title: Re: Episode 337
Post by: rayhato on July 07, 2015, 12:18:09 PM
Was not sure where to post this, so i will just do it here in this thread. This is a recent drawing by Miura of Guts, which also includes his autograph of course. Probably done for a contest, in which the winner would get this drawing. This drawing also seems to be drawn with the brush, if you zoom in you can see the brush strokes. Im not sure though

Love it   :badbone:

Edit: Im not sure if it is a recent drawing or not, but it atleast seems to be one.

http://i.imgur.com/ibW9HYz.jpg
Good Lord! How could I miss that!
I don't know how to use manda auction anyway, but this is amazing drawing. I checked manda and it still hand't been sold, so I guess we can try to obtain it.