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Title: Dark Souls III
Post by: buttonmasher on June 19, 2015, 12:22:12 AM
Here's a link to some info about the next installment.  The combat is being somewhat overhauled and its stated in the article that the greatsword combat is directly inspired by Guts.  Many people have talked about Berserk's influence on the series but this is pretty great to hear.
http://www.polygon.com/2015/6/17/8798005/dark-souls-3-e3-2015
Title: Re: Dark Souls III
Post by: Walter on June 19, 2015, 01:32:14 AM
To be more explicit, Miyazaki said one of the two greatsword "sword arts" is reminiscent of Guts. Fast and powerful blows. And what he was describing about the "ready state" reminded me of Guts' big swing against Zodd in Vol 5.
Title: Re: Dark Souls III
Post by: TwoPumpWarrior on June 19, 2015, 12:07:13 PM
WOW. I guess all my recent practice with the greatsword will be useless!

However that beast is still great fun in Dark Souls 2. That's exactly what my first character centered around (her name was Casca, I'm lame). I only retired it to take up Dual Axe Power Stance which eventually led to the Vanquisher's Seal.

Really can't articulate how excited I am for this game, easily the best reveal at E3 for me. I've had my issues with From in the past and concerning Bloodborne but damn the games are too good! It'll be a welcome addition (i hope) with the new combat 'arts'.

Side note: I introduced my twin bro to the movies, told him the series may have inspired the Souls series. He was interested and watched them, now he's obsessed and owns more volumes than I. But I just linked him this article, maybe I'll post an update :)
Title: Re: Dark Souls III
Post by: GiantSword Mufasa on August 17, 2015, 04:52:01 PM
I cant wait for this game! I wish Mitazaki and Miura would just collaborate and make a berserk game. If that happened I would just assume that I was dead and in haven. 
Title: Re: Dark Souls III
Post by: Walter on August 17, 2015, 06:19:10 PM
I cant wait for this game! I wish Mitazaki and Miura would just collaborate and make a berserk game. If that happened I would just assume that I was dead and in haven.

I don't think the world of Berserk makes much sense for an action-RPG.
Title: Re: Dark Souls III
Post by: GiantSword Mufasa on August 17, 2015, 06:38:40 PM
I don't think the world of Berserk makes much sense for an action-RPG.
  besides being like the old hack and slash dream cast and ps2 game, what do you see it as?
Title: Re: Dark Souls III
Post by: Aazealh on August 17, 2015, 06:52:38 PM
  besides being like the old hack and slash dream cast and ps2 game, what do you see it as?

Berserk is story and character driven. The appeal of a Berserk game is to play as a known character, i.e. Guts. Yet because of the fact Berserk is story-driven, there is very little leeway in how a game can work while remaining respectful of the original material. In fact, the two possible ways to do it have already been done: have Miura write a side-story specifically for the game, or have the game retell the manga's events while adapting them to the game format.

The main interest of a game like Dark Souls is to explore and eventually conquer an unknown and lethal world as a weak but resourceful and versatile nobody, ending up as the ruler of all. It couldn't possibly work with Berserk because it would have to break the established rules of the Berserk world in order to exist. As for what a Berserk game could be? A number of things, if done intelligently, but the compromises necessary would probably not be worth it.

In my opinion, the Dreamcast game was actually really great for its time. Although its gameplay was somewhat unsatisfactory, it's a great example of how a game can really bring something to a series instead of being purely derivative.
Title: Re: Dark Souls III
Post by: Walter on August 17, 2015, 07:22:08 PM
  besides being like the old hack and slash dream cast and ps2 game, what do you see it as?

It's actually something I've put a lot of thought into. With the introduction of Fantasia, I think it might be possible to create a Berserk RPG set on the fringes of the world as we've been shown it, focusing on humans surviving by fighting through astral creatures. But in a way that (somehow) doesn't upset the predefined balance of power in the main series. However, it absolutely wouldn't make sense as a Souls-type game.

The major problem with that notion is that eventually you would expect the combat to scale up in difficulty, and thus the player character would encounter apostles. And what then...? The nameless hero takes down 5-10 apostles in one-on-one combat? It'd be apocryphal. Who is this character?  And how would they fit in the scope of the Berserk world?

Games are about empowerment, but there's a hard wall in Berserk's universe about how much a human can accomplish. It's the basic premise of the series.

Now, if you make the protagonist an APOSTLE, suddenly things get interesting  :zodd: but then, presuming the game is reflecting the Berserk world properly, battles would become too easy.
Title: Re: Dark Souls III
Post by: Salem on August 18, 2015, 12:05:11 AM
Walter nailed it right on the head, though I doubt we get anything that well laid out in a game.  I'm very interested to see if old whats his face eventually runs with the berserk option.
Title: Re: Dark Souls III
Post by: GiantSword Mufasa on August 18, 2015, 02:23:04 PM
It's actually something I've put a lot of thought into. With the introduction of Fantasia, I think it might be possible to create a Berserk RPG set on the fringes of the world as we've been shown it, focusing on humans surviving by fighting through astral creatures. But in a way that (somehow) doesn't upset the predefined balance of power in the main series. However, it absolutely wouldn't make sense as a Souls-type game.

The major problem with that notion is that eventually you would expect the combat to scale up in difficulty, and thus the player character would encounter apostles. And what then...? The nameless hero takes down 5-10 apostles in one-on-one combat? It'd be apocryphal. Who is this character?  And how would they fit in the scope of the Berserk world?

Games are about empowerment, but there's a hard wall in Berserk's universe about how much a human can accomplish. It's the basic premise of the series.

Now, if you make the protagonist an APOSTLE, suddenly things get interesting  :zodd: but then, presuming the game is reflecting the Berserk world properly, battles would become too easy.


I defiantly agree with walter and az, what I see is more the graphical style of a souls game, like that dark gritty 3d world that we have come to love adapted to the berserk story.
Title: Re: Dark Souls III
Post by: Oburi on August 18, 2015, 02:57:12 PM
I think a Berserk game in the same vein as Dark Souls could work, with a number of liberties taken. It would have to be extremely minimalistic and as Walter said, take place in far off locations within the Berserk world. You'd most likely want to avoid most things related to Berserks story and characters, including Apostles for the most part. It would have to be so far removed from so much of the Berserk world of the manga that it would hardly be recognized to be in the same universe at all. Which of course defeats the purpose for the most part. It would be a Berserk game in name only really.

Still though, it's fun to think about. In a post Fantasia world the player could assume a nameless protagonist and battle countless fantastic creatures in an array of interesting medieval settings. There's plenty of culture and diversity with magic and monsters to still retain that Berserk connection. Maybe a few subtle references to events and characters from the manga for the fans.

But again, with such restraint it pretty much ends up being another dark fantasy action rpg with a Berserk vibe. And we already have Dark Souls  :guts:
Title: Re: Dark Souls III
Post by: Oburi on September 19, 2015, 01:48:05 PM
Sorry for the double post but my Game Informer magazine that just came in has it's main story about Dark Souls 3 and I was delighted to see Berserk mentioned several times throughout.  They also mention a Guts style of sword combat, like mentioned at the top of the thread.  It's great seeing how the Berserk influence in the souls games has become knowledge.  Can't help but think it's good publicity for my favorite manga.
Title: Re: Dark Souls III
Post by: Walter on September 19, 2015, 02:16:24 PM
I was delighted to see Berserk mentioned several times throughout.

Could  you be more specific?
Title: Re: Dark Souls III
Post by: Oburi on September 19, 2015, 04:51:33 PM
Could  you be more specific?

I was going to take some pics but I didn't have time this morning. I was mainly skimming through the article but when I have time I'll definitely read the whole thing and be more specific. There's an interview with Mitazaki and he mentions Berserk, ofourse. He also mentioned Legolas from The Lord of the Rings movies as a reference for something bow and arrow related. I get specifics later.
Title: Re: Dark Souls III
Post by: Blkswrdsmn on October 04, 2015, 04:51:16 PM
Is anyone here hoping for a berserker armor knight type boss?

I have made up a whole backstory pretty much in hopes that miyazaki has somehow read my mind and im sure everyone and anyone who plays DS and also enjoys Berserk. But seriously.. Sorry if this is dead now. I just want to hear opinions and what you'd like to see. It's all exciting.
Title: Re: Dark Souls III
Post by: Oburi on October 04, 2015, 05:46:59 PM
Is anyone here hoping for a berserker armor knight type boss?

I have made up a whole backstory pretty much in hopes that miyazaki has somehow read my mind and im sure everyone and anyone who plays DS and also enjoys Berserk. But seriously.. Sorry if this is dead now. I just want to hear opinions and what you'd like to see. It's all exciting.

Shit man, I keep forgetting to update this based on the Gameinformer issue, but the front page for the Dark Souls 3 article has guy in full armor that's somewhat similar to Guts in full berserk armor rampage mode.

(http://i.imgur.com/tufuF4T.jpg?1)

 A shot of it in action.

(http://i.imgur.com/k41mVYx.jpg)

Some stuff mentioning Berserk

(http://i.imgur.com/UzANR9Q.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/8vdl8Bs.jpg)
Title: Re: Dark Souls III
Post by: Walter on October 04, 2015, 09:31:40 PM
Thanks for sharing. Are there no references to Berserk beyond the battle arts thing? Because we knew that since E3.
Title: Re: Dark Souls III
Post by: Proj2501 on November 17, 2015, 04:40:52 PM
(http://i1-news.softpedia-static.com/images/news2/dark-souls-3-leak-shows-prestige-and-collector-s-editions-figurines-and-special-cases-are-offered-495925-2.jpg)

(http://static2.gamespot.com/uploads/scale_super/123/1239113/2962898-collector.jpg)

"Come to daddy."
(https://i.ytimg.com/vi/CpZZGWU1eIQ/maxresdefault.jpg)
Title: Re: Dark Souls III
Post by: Walter on November 17, 2015, 05:12:07 PM
Lord of Cinder, eh...? Hmmm (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gOZ-7T2amOQ)
Title: Re: Dark Souls III
Post by: Proj2501 on November 17, 2015, 05:14:58 PM
That cannot be unseen, can it?  :ganishka:
Title: Re: Dark Souls III
Post by: MASTER-AMIR on November 20, 2015, 01:47:24 PM
In interview which has been published by Gamespot made by Hidetaka Miyazaki :

Q:You draw quite heavily on Berserk and have said repeatedly that you're a big fan of it. What else is in your well of inspiration?

A:The roots of my fantasy ideas are in Sorcery, by Ian Livingstone and Steve Jackson, the adventure game books.

He is big fan of berserk :ubik: WoW

http://www.gamespot.com/articles/dark-souls-3-interview-it-wouldnt-be-right-to-cont/1100-6432425/
Title: Re: Dark Souls III
Post by: Walter on November 20, 2015, 02:43:25 PM
Thanks for sharing! The most interesting part of the interview is the headline: "It Wouldn’t Be Right to Continue Creating Souls."

Furthermore:

Quote
"I just believe that [moving on] is necessary in order for players to continue enjoying our games. We have to keep creating quality games and be aggressive about doing new things."

Completely agree  :void:

Quote
"Dark Souls 3 will mark the last game where the development project began before I became president."

That makes it sound like he wouldn't have greenlit this if he were president at the time.

In interview which has been published by Gamespot made by Hidetaka Miyazaki :

Q:You draw quite heavily on Berserk and have said repeatedly that you're a big fan of it. What else is in your well of inspiration?

A:The roots of my fantasy ideas are in Sorcery, by Ian Livingstone and Steve Jackson, the adventure game books.

He is big fan of berserk :ubik: WoW

http://www.gamespot.com/articles/dark-souls-3-interview-it-wouldnt-be-right-to-cont/1100-6432425/

The interviewer inserted that as part of the question.

I know you aren't claiming so here, but hundreds of Berserk/DS fans have claimed for years that Miyazaki was "greatly influenced" by Berserk. But whenever I ask for a reference to an interview where he says so, I get silence in response. I know his interviews pretty well. He has expressed a familiarity with it, like thinking the Catarina Armor set reminded him of Bazuso, and the greatsword art reminds him of Guts -- but that's it. Those adventure game books are the ones he regularly points to as his influences.

I recognize this makes me sound a little crazy... But the reason for my objection to that line of reasoning is that too often people say the Souls series is "basically Berserk the video game" or any other variation of this hyperbole. But as much as I love Berserk, that discredits the Souls series. There's a lot more going on in those games than rote Berserk references. Instead, I can think of maybe 3-4 things that were probably influenced by Berserk. The entirety of the rest of the series' concepts come from other fantasy ideas or new ideas.
Title: Re: Dark Souls III
Post by: Griffith on November 20, 2015, 07:38:40 PM
I recognize this makes me sound a little crazy... But the reason for my objection to that line of reasoning is that too often people say the Souls series is "basically Berserk the video game" or any other variation of this hyperbole. But as much as I love Berserk, that discredits the Souls series. There's a lot more going on in those games than rote Berserk references. Instead, I can think of maybe 3-4 things that were probably influenced by Berserk. The entirety of the rest of the series' concepts come from other fantasy ideas or new ideas.

Plus, let's give the credit where it's really due: Final Fantasy VII is clearly the inspiration behind them both! :iva:

Yeah, I don't have a strong enough feeling about the Souls series to be concerned for its integrity, but as a more detached observer it doesn't look like much more than a few superficial references and coincidences or generalities you'd see in most dark fantasy series, some inspired by Berserk, but not necessarily directly (it's hard to think of a fantasy game that doesn't have a Dragon Slayer variant at this point, but that's because it's become iconic even for those that don't know where it originated). It just seems like typical Internet conventional wisdom proliferating a thin assertion as an obvious fact (knowledgeable Berserk fans know that pain all too well =).
Title: Re: Dark Souls III
Post by: Lawliet on November 23, 2015, 07:38:55 AM
As a huge fan of Miyazaki and his works, having spent hundreds of hours in every one of his games, I can't wait for Dark Souls III :)

Thanks for sharing! The most interesting part of the interview is the headline: "It Wouldn’t Be Right to Continue Creating Souls."

Furthermore:
 
Completely agree  :void:

That makes it sound like he wouldn't have greenlit this if he were president at the time.

The interviewer inserted that as part of the question.

I know you aren't claiming so here, but hundreds of Berserk/DS fans have claimed for years that Miyazaki was "greatly influenced" by Berserk. But whenever I ask for a reference to an interview where he says so, I get silence in response. I know his interviews pretty well. He has expressed a familiarity with it, like thinking the Catarina Armor set reminded him of Bazuso, and the greatsword art reminds him of Guts -- but that's it. Those adventure game books are the ones he regularly points to as his influences.

I recognize this makes me sound a little crazy... But the reason for my objection to that line of reasoning is that too often people say the Souls series is "basically Berserk the video game" or any other variation of this hyperbole. But as much as I love Berserk, that discredits the Souls series. There's a lot more going on in those games than rote Berserk references. Instead, I can think of maybe 3-4 things that were probably influenced by Berserk. The entirety of the rest of the series' concepts come from other fantasy ideas or new ideas.

Well the interviewer did say that Miyazaki said that he was a big fan (I believe a similar question was also asked in another Gamespot interview), and the man didn't deny it. Of course, however, saying that Miyazaki is a fan of Berserk and saying that he borrowed heavily from it (or in other words that the Souls series is basically Berserk games) are two different things entirely. The latter is a hyperbole that is not only nonsensical, but also rude to Miyazaki and his team. 
Title: Re: Dark Souls III
Post by: MiyamotoPuck on February 25, 2016, 08:30:15 PM
Did you see the last trailer? Some characters really made me think of Berserk!

If you haven't seen it yet, here it is : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N5rljUBxfIE
Title: Re: Dark Souls III
Post by: Seulus on March 21, 2016, 08:57:26 PM
So excited for Dark souls 3. Souls is one of my favourite series, from demons souls to dark souls, and bloodborne of course. Dark souls actually introduced me to Berserk, Artorias was such a memorable fight for me.

Title: Re: Dark Souls III
Post by: Delta Phi on March 22, 2016, 01:42:32 PM
I'm gearing up for the release in a couple weeks. From what little I've seen, it really feels like Dark Souls 1, and that I'm very excited about.
Title: Re: Dark Souls III
Post by: The Beast of Darkness on March 22, 2016, 04:27:37 PM
My brain is wired to Dark Souls lore understanding these days... It's been years since I had such an anticipation for a new game.  :guts:
Title: Re: Dark Souls III
Post by: N7Paladin on March 25, 2016, 06:09:16 PM
Just started playing this today, I'm really enjoying it so far. It definitely feels more like Demon's Souls/DS1 than Dark Souls 2 did. Now I have to think about this game for the next 8 hours while I'm at work.  :sad:
Title: Re: Dark Souls III
Post by: Delta Phi on March 26, 2016, 05:05:06 AM
Just started playing this today, I'm really enjoying it so far. It definitely feels more like Demon's Souls/DS1 than Dark Souls 2 did. Now I have to think about this game for the next 8 hours while I'm at work.  :sad:

Good to hear. I'm excited for the NA release. Thankfully I have a couple other games to keep me occupied until then.
Title: Re: Dark Souls III
Post by: XionHorsey on March 26, 2016, 10:55:59 PM
Quote
Dark souls actually introduced me to Berserk

Yea, same here. A Basuzo PVP video did it. Before that, I knew of the series, but spent over a decade pretty much blowing it off, tbh.
Title: Re: Dark Souls III
Post by: Proj2501 on April 04, 2016, 02:05:47 PM
Pretty decent reviews so far. Happy to see no review embargo for this.

http://www.metacritic.com/game/playstation-4/dark-souls-iii?ref=hp
Title: Re: Dark Souls III
Post by: Jaze1618 on April 05, 2016, 05:02:30 PM
Humor centric Dark Souls 3 video review. I hadn't spoiled anything about the game for myself, and after watching this still don't think I have spoiled anything. Your mileage may vary.

EDIT: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fm6BPWZd8WU
Title: Re: Dark Souls III
Post by: Menosgade on April 05, 2016, 06:09:05 PM
 I played Dark Souls some times, but never really got into it. Then, after Berserk being part of my life, I gave Dark Souls a true chance, simply because of Artorias. Now DS is forever in my heart, seriously, the III will definitively be the best game for me this year, maybe even the next or who knows how many, I'm trusting Miyazaki a lot.
Title: Re: Dark Souls III
Post by: GiantSword Mufasa on April 15, 2016, 05:45:10 PM
If anyone wants to play I will be on tonight from like 10pm EST till whenever. PSN mufasa_315  my guts build is coming along nicely. Hit me up for some jolly cooperation! If not tonight add me and if you see me on and want to play or need my help get ahold of me!  :guts:
Title: Re: Dark Souls III
Post by: Delta Phi on April 15, 2016, 11:22:14 PM
I added you awhile ago. We should meet up in game! I've been slogging along, so I'm not very far. I always play these games extra cautiously on the first run. Not to mention I'm splitting my time up between Paragon, the Doom beta, and family life. But that game has been fantastic so far!
Title: Re: Dark Souls III
Post by: Kaladin on April 16, 2016, 03:30:33 AM
finished my first play through, fantastic game so far, i missed so much though, so many covenants, weapons, and quest lines, 2nd play through gonna be much more interesting
Title: Re: Dark Souls III
Post by: Lawliet on April 16, 2016, 09:37:29 PM
Loving the game so far. It definitely has the feeling of the first Dark Souls, and I'm glad for that.

I'm far into the game and I've yet to use a shield once (thanks, Bloodborne). Anyone else playing it like that?

BTW if anyone's playing this on PS4, feel free to add me (Lawliet567).
Title: Re: Dark Souls III
Post by: GiantSword Mufasa on April 18, 2016, 10:43:02 AM
I added you awhile ago. We should meet up in game! I've been slogging along, so I'm not very far. I always play these games extra cautiously on the first run. Not to mention I'm splitting my time up between Paragon, the Doom beta, and family life. But that game has been fantastic so far!

Yeah we definitely will meet up on line. what's your psn again, Just so I know what to look for. but id love to link up! how is paragon? I have seen a lot about it but don't know much.
Title: Re: Dark Souls III
Post by: GiantSword Mufasa on April 18, 2016, 10:44:05 AM
Loving the game so far. It definitely has the feeling of the first Dark Souls, and I'm glad for that.

I'm far into the game and I've yet to use a shield once (thanks, Bloodborne). Anyone else playing it like that?

BTW if anyone's playing this on PS4, feel free to add me (Lawliet567).

I will add you. I playing a guts build right now so no shield for me too!
Title: Re: Dark Souls III
Post by: Delta Phi on April 18, 2016, 04:03:51 PM
Yeah we definitely will meet up on line. what's your psn again, Just so I know what to look for. but id love to link up! how is paragon? I have seen a lot about it but don't know much.

PSN is SovietBear359.

I'm really enjoying Paragon at the moment. It's still technically in alpha, but it's solid so far and graphically looks fantastic. I've never played a MOBA before (and haven't been interested), but Paragon is a pretty different take.

I'm far into the game and I've yet to use a shield once (thanks, Bloodborne). Anyone else playing it like that?

I played SotFS leading up to DkS3 and just couldn't bring myself to use shields no matter what. I even at one point had a shield equipped but never raised it.  I like to do a bit of light RP when I play these games and my first character is always a sword and board paladin, so I've forced myself to get back into using a shield in DkS3. I think not knowing anything about the game has helped me transition back to being defensive since I'm being overly cautious as I progress.
Title: Re: Dark Souls III
Post by: Sprinter24 on April 19, 2016, 10:16:52 PM
I've logged about 10 hours into my first playthrough, they really nailed the level design in this one. Playing on PS4 my PSN is Sprinter24 if anyone wants to add me for some online play.
Title: Re: Dark Souls III
Post by: Griffith on May 11, 2016, 02:09:49 PM
Well, I'm concurrently playing DS1 and 2 now preparing for this (and saving myself $60 in the meantime =). It'll be interesting to see how the style I've evolved towards translates considering what I'm hearing. I really got started with DS2 as a dual wielding swordsman, which sucked but is advantageous now that I'm more open to shields and spells (though I think I prefer melee ultimately). I heard poise was wrecked in this game, is that (still) true or was it patched? I don't have much poise in DS2 but I'm using it to great effect in 1 to basically run right through most regular enemies.

Update: http://kotaku.com/from-software-says-dark-souls-3s-seemingly-useless-pois-1776079738

I guess it hasn't been patched. Time to start practicing my quick rolls again.
Title: Re: Dark Souls III
Post by: N7Paladin on May 21, 2016, 04:39:53 AM
The Souls games have all been pretty buggy on release. Dark Souls 3 has its fair share of weird bugs and glitches, the game should definitely improve over time.

For anyone who remembers his DS1 Havel video, OnlyAfro made another for DS3.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mh1uo4uP6rM

He is showing himself in full Havels getting stunlocked by straight swords. The poise is hilariously broken.
Title: Re: Dark Souls III
Post by: Delta Phi on May 21, 2016, 07:52:56 PM
Apparently Namco has stated that poise isn't broken either. Some people have speculated there was more of a focus on hyper armor this time around and poise was adjusted accordingly. Either way, this is probably one of the reasons this game frustrates me more than the others (I still haven't finished, and not for a lack of trying).
Title: Re: Dark Souls III
Post by: Oburi on June 01, 2016, 01:22:27 PM
So I've put about 30 hours or so into this game so far and I'm really enjoying it but I must say I actually think this is the easiest of the three so far. Does anyone else get that feeling? A friend of mine is also playing it along with me and he's having trouble and slowing way down but to me, i don't know, I seem to be breezing right through, compared to the others. Maybe it just seems that way because I only finished playing the DS2 DLC a few months back, which amped up the difficulty on the game so maybe that's still fresh in my head? I don't know. Other than a few moments here and there, and 2 boss fights in particular, I haven't had anything really slow me down much. Also, I'm worried that this game is significantly shorter than the others? I'd be disappointed to know that I'm more than halfway done. Currently, I just defeated the Pontiff Sulyvahn and cleared the Irithyll Valley, then I went into the dungeons and did a good amount of that before dying. I also prefer to do boss fights by myself, without summoning other players. I feel it makes fights a cake walk if there's two of you. I get much more satisfaction doing it by myself.
Title: Re: Dark Souls III
Post by: Walter on June 01, 2016, 01:36:32 PM
I haven't played it yet, but it could be that you're just so used to these "Souls" types of games that you've already mastered the basic element of survivability in them. That's honestly the toughest part of the learning curve for these things, I think -- learning how to cope.
Title: Re: Dark Souls III
Post by: Oburi on June 01, 2016, 02:48:22 PM
I haven't played it yet, but it could be that you're just so used to these "Souls" types of games that you've already mastered the basic element of survivability in them. That's honestly the toughest part of the learning curve for these things, I think -- learning how to cope.

That's what I'm thinking.  My buddy isn't all that experienced in the Souls series. So I guess it makes sense that he's sturggling and I'm having no problem.
Title: Re: Dark Souls III
Post by: Feeblecursedone on June 17, 2016, 09:56:47 AM
Apparently the first DLC is coming up in September, any ideas to what it might be? Gertrude, maybe visiting some lost land like Astora etc?
Title: Re: Dark Souls III
Post by: GiantSword Mufasa on June 17, 2016, 10:42:21 AM
Apparently the first DLC is coming up in September, any ideas to what it might be? Gertrude, maybe visiting some lost land like Astora etc?

source?
Title: Re: Dark Souls III
Post by: Feeblecursedone on June 17, 2016, 10:50:33 AM
source?

http://www.vinereport.com/article/dark-souls-3-dlc-release-date-first-dlc-expected-in-fall/11055.htm

If not September, then October, but yeah around Autumn.
Title: Re: Dark Souls III
Post by: Dragon Warrior on June 17, 2016, 11:54:39 AM
I just made Guts build/cosplay tribute here in Dark Souls 3.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pHxiyKHLVIs
Title: Re: Dark Souls III
Post by: GiantSword Mufasa on June 17, 2016, 12:17:20 PM
I just made Guts build/cosplay tribute here in Dark Souls 3.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pHxiyKHLVIs
Looks great! What chest plate is that? the cape looks awesome.
Title: Re: Dark Souls III
Post by: Dragon Warrior on June 17, 2016, 01:15:40 PM
Chest is Undead Legion Armor, I made a tutorial of my build, you can see it right here.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bPN6n2_24Jk
Title: Re: Dark Souls III
Post by: Ari on July 06, 2016, 06:00:39 AM
Bloodborne > DeS >= DaS > DaS 3 > DaS2

In terms of DaS3, I feel like having some areas moved around would have benefit the game. Lothric is an excellent beginning, the the rest is not as good until the later half portion of the game (especially for a few bosses). Also, Vitality is just awful this time around, not to mention how poor magic plays now. Not to add salt to the wound, but poise isn't exactly "great" this time around either. I still really adore DaS3, but I feel like it may have needed more time spent in development.

Having six items, one being a strike shield, bow, talisman, and the rest are light/dex weapon + standard metal armor (nothing to heavy) requires a ton of Vitality, which does not scale with the stamina bar. I feel as if Vitality needed it's stats cut down by a third, or heck, even just mix Vitality with Endurance (stamina) like it was in Dark Souls 1.
Title: Re: Dark Souls III
Post by: Feeblecursedone on July 06, 2016, 11:38:23 AM
To me its Demon Souls > Dark Souls > Dark souls 3 > Bloodborne > Dark Souls 2

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In terms of DaS3, I feel like having some areas moved around would have benefit the game.

Sure, Dark souls 3 feels a bit more linear than other games and that is a minus to me. Even in Ds2, you had 2 routes to choose from at the beggining.

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Lothric is an excellent beginning, the the rest is not as good until the later half portion of the game (especially for a few bosses)

Specifically, there's no " great " area until you reach Irithyll.

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Also, Vitality is just awful this time around

I wish it was merged together with endurance like in first game.

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Not to add salt to the wound, but poise isn't exactly "great" this time around either. I still really adore DaS3, but I feel like it may have needed more time spent in development.

Well, poise seems to work differently this time around. It actually stacks poise on top of your hyperarmour moveset, so stuff like weapon arts. I was recently using demon's greataxe and let me tell you, the weapon art is VERY hard to interrupt with stacked poise.
Title: Re: Dark Souls III
Post by: GiantSword Mufasa on July 06, 2016, 11:51:23 AM
To me its Demon Souls > Dark Souls > Dark souls 3 > Bloodborne > Dark Souls 2

Specifically, there's no " great " area until you reach Irithyll.

I think Cathedral of the deep is a beautifully crafted area. I like how there is only one bonfire, it added the fear of dying back to the souls games.   

Title: Re: Dark Souls III
Post by: Feeblecursedone on July 06, 2016, 12:11:21 PM
Ah true, forgot about Cathedral. Yeah the interiors are nice.
Title: Re: Dark Souls III
Post by: Lawliet on July 06, 2016, 01:52:58 PM
I got the feeling that Dark Souls III is, while excellent, Miyazaki's weakest game. That's understandable though, since it builds upon it's predecessors (in lore at least) and therefore shouldn't be viewed on its own. It is, after all, the first sequel Miyazaki made.

I'd personally rank the games: Bloodborne = Dark Souls >= Demon's Souls > Dark Souls III > Dark Souls II.

BTW, has anyone heard of Ni-Oh? It's an upcoming game that takes some inspiration from the Miyazaki games, but set in Warring States Japan.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nioh
Title: Re: Dark Souls III
Post by: Feeblecursedone on July 06, 2016, 02:02:54 PM
Yeah Im definitely getting Niou ( its supposed to be written like that according to my friend who speaks japanese ) but for some reason they've written it with H on the end ( which cannot be )

The game itself seems to be a mix of Onimusha and Souls games. Im ony worried it might end up being too repetitive, which I hope is not the case. Apparently the game will have a map and " missions ". Nonetheless I like the design of weapons and armour.

Im not too overly happy about having a pre-determined main character but since they're basing him on on a historical person (???) I guess I can see why they went that way.
Title: Re: Dark Souls III
Post by: Lawliet on July 06, 2016, 02:09:08 PM
I read that it's based on an unfinished script by Akira Kurosawa, which is pretty cool :)
Title: Re: Dark Souls III
Post by: Eluvei on July 06, 2016, 02:28:49 PM
I got the feeling that Dark Souls III is, while excellent, Miyazaki's weakest game. That's understandable though, since it builds upon it's predecessors (in lore at least) and therefore shouldn't be viewed on its own. It is, after all, the first sequel Miyazaki made.

I really dislike the references and callbacks and old characters showing up every ten seconds. Personally I think Dark Souls 2 was a better sequel in terms of lore, at least it tried to build something kinda different instead of resorting to The Force Awakens type stuff. It did have that ladder salesman though...

Well, I admit I was a little tired of the formula when I played it, so I was inclined to be more critical of this stuff.
Title: Re: Dark Souls III
Post by: Lawliet on July 06, 2016, 02:34:38 PM
Agreed. I got the impression in Dark Souls II that hundreds, if not thousands, of years passed since the first game. And yet, we get all those characters from DS show up in DS III. Also, I still don't understand how Anor Londo fits in DSIII, how does that work?
Title: Re: Dark Souls III
Post by: Walter on July 06, 2016, 02:40:17 PM
Agreed. I got the impression in Dark Souls II that hundreds, if not thousands, of years passed since the first game. And yet, we get all those characters from DS show up in DS III. Also, I still don't understand how Anor Londo fits in DSIII, how does that work?

Time is broken in the Souls' universe. That's explained in the DLC for DS1.
Title: Re: Dark Souls III
Post by: Feeblecursedone on July 06, 2016, 02:41:13 PM
The reason why we see Andre, Siegmayer ( fuck it im not gonna call him siegward ) and the rest of the characters is because they have been ressurected in order to link the fire. In short, unkindled ones are all those " chosen " who have failed to link it before and as such they were unfit to even become cinders.

They've been dead for a long time, so i assume they were unnaffected by the curse of hollowing. Of course, a major portion is also pandering to the fans as a final tribute for the end of the series, but that's my explanation as to why revive all those characters.

As for Anor Londo, we know that the worlds converge in Dark Souls 3. Anor Londo has always been there, and in Ds3 its a part of Irithyll. In dark souls games, kingdoms and countries rise and fall but they're all essentially in the same place.

Note that Irityhll is also considered a land of gods, and you can even see something similar mentioned in the character creation screen when you're choosing your origin.
Title: Re: Dark Souls III
Post by: Lawliet on July 06, 2016, 02:52:43 PM
Time is broken in the Souls' universe. That's explained in the DLC for DS1.

That's actually the one DLC I didn't play, go figure.

The reason why we see Andre, Siegmayer ( fuck it im not gonna call him siegward ) and the rest of the characters is because they have been ressurected in order to link the fire. In short, unkindled ones are all those " chosen " who have failed to link it before and as such they were unfit to even become cinders.

They've been dead for a long time, so i assume they were unnaffected by the curse of hollowing. Of course, a major portion is also pandering to the fans as a final tribute for the end of the series, but that's my explanation as to why revive all those characters.

As for Anor Londo, we know that the worlds converge in Dark Souls 3. Anor Londo has always been there, and in Ds3 its a part of Irithyll. In dark souls games, kingdoms and countries rise and fall but they're all essentially in the same place.

Note that Irityhll is also considered a land of gods, and you can even see something similar mentioned in the character creation screen when you're choosing your origin.

Seems like a pretty good explanation (I hadn't considered that Andre and some NPCs were resurrected too for some reason). I'm still kind of confused about the worlds converging. In DS, Anor Londo is up in the skies, so to speak. In III, it's in a valley. I think I need to go back and examine the lore again.
Title: Re: Dark Souls III
Post by: Ari on July 06, 2016, 03:14:58 PM
Cathedral of the Deep is a fantastic area in the game, with an excellent boss. I nearly forgot that area, somehow.

DaS3 is excellent, mind what I said. I just think the first game is slightly better...but nostalgia could be playing a bit here!
Title: Re: Dark Souls III
Post by: Griffith on August 08, 2016, 08:54:04 PM
Well, I finally finished my solo replay of all of DS3 this weekend (and beat DS2 while I was at it; that ending wtf?). I think the best thing I can say about it is I really love the gameplay and can't go back, it really is the Dark Souls sequel you were looking for if you loved DS1 and want it in an updated package. Returning to DS2's controls felt terrible by contrast, and I tried going back to DS1 but exited almost immediately (just wasn't the same from a couple months ago =). Anyway, I'm still really enjoying playing it and looking forward to multiple NG pluses and the DLCs.
Title: Re: Dark Souls III
Post by: Ressha on August 08, 2016, 11:26:49 PM
I tried going back to DS1 but exited almost immediately (just wasn't the same from a couple months ago =)
Think DaS feels a good deal better after playing DaSIII. Then again this recent re-visit i've done is my first time playing with dsfix, so that might have something to do with it.
As for III, after logging just over one hundred hours I had overcome whatever minor issues I had at the beginning, things like the fabric clipping and what not. None of it bothered me. The locations reminded me a lot of Berserk, specifically the Greatwood's courtyard, the Catacombs of Carthus, and Irathyll Dungeon.
I see what they were trying to go for with the way the game progresses in terms of location, but really don't like it much. As some others have said I wasn't blown away by any location until I got to Irathyll. The length was also a little short, my entire first run took 20 hrs without utilizing shortcuts and not lighting all bonfires; for comparison, when I was 20 hrs into my first DaS run I was just descending the elevator to blighttown's final bonfire(for those unaware, this is relatively 1/3 of the game).
Title: Re: Dark Souls III
Post by: Griffith on August 09, 2016, 06:46:05 PM
Think DaS feels a good deal better after playing DaSIII. Then again this recent re-visit i've done is my first time playing with dsfix, so that might have something to do with it.

I don't know how you played without it, that was a no go until Wally showed me the light. I actually think the games are quite similar and that 3 is sort of a more streamlined version of the DaS fight interface plus weapon arts, whereas DS2 is subtlety pretty different, particularly the rolling mechanic.

As for III, after logging just over one hundred hours I had overcome whatever minor issues I had at the beginning, things like the fabric clipping and what not. None of it bothered me. The locations reminded me a lot of Berserk, specifically the Greatwood's courtyard, the Catacombs of Carthus, and Irathyll Dungeon.
I see what they were trying to go for with the way the game progresses in terms of location, but really don't like it much. As some others have said I wasn't blown away by any location until I got to Irathyll.

I wasn't reminded so much of Berserk as I was DaS, as it seemed to be sort of recreating it in a sense (the first two area are very much like bigger, more refined versions of the Undead Burg, and the parallels continue throughout), it didn't really start to stand out until the Cathedral. But yeah, Irithyll and it's offshoots are by far the most impressive (and the only one where the sky doesn't change after returning to Lothric; lore implications!? ...). I still think DaS has the best, and most unique, areas that could be dilapidated, scary, gorgeous, or all three at once. The world of DS3 feels a lot more consistent, let's say.

The length was also a little short, my entire first run took 20 hrs without utilizing shortcuts and not lighting all bonfires; for comparison, when I was 20 hrs into my first DaS run I was just descending the elevator to blighttown's final bonfire(for those unaware, this is relatively 1/3 of the game).

I also think that has something to do with it being the 3rd (or 5th) game in the series for many. I mean, just think how long it took you to ring both bells and get the lord vessel your first time playing, particularly if DaS was your first Souls game, versus how long it would take you to do it now. It's just not going to be the same experience even if the games were equal.


Title: Re: Dark Souls III
Post by: Dragon Warrior on August 20, 2016, 09:38:46 PM
Guys, if anyone interested, I made this video. Dark Souls - Berserk (Not references)
It took me sometime to make it
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2pi7n2AZisM&feature=gp-n-y&google_comment_id=z12fyjkarzb0vtpz304cfflipnzgej3y420
Title: Re: Dark Souls III
Post by: Feeblecursedone on August 24, 2016, 03:34:21 PM
Well shiet, here we go:

https://youtu.be/iu1NCPMC7D0

Looks like Painted World of Ariamis. Lots of wolves and nordic themes. Also a giant boss crushing players to a pulp with a gigantic lord vessel lol.

I like  :isidro:
Title: Re: Dark Souls III
Post by: Delta Phi on August 24, 2016, 03:47:16 PM
Looks pretty cool. I may finally have a reason to go back and do my paladin playthrough, or maybe even moonlight greatsword.
Title: Re: Dark Souls III
Post by: Griffith on August 26, 2016, 02:18:12 PM
Eh, the wolves and antler knights look cool, but after 400+ hours of these games it just feels like more of the same. I really hope for the final DLC they'll do something big to tie up and cap off the series right, and I have a pretty specific idea:

Basically, hark back to Oolacile from the original DLC and let you go back in time to the Age of Ancients and settle the question of the fire once and for all at the beginning, Terminator-style ("...but the final battle would not be fought in the future. It would be fought here, in our present. Tonight..." =). Either help Gwyn fight the dragons and link the fire to start the cycle, help the dragons and fight Gwyn to prevent it, or help the Pygmy and fight everybody! That scenario would open up a ton of possibilities: the four lords in their primes, the everlasting dragons in their day, the Pygmy, total warfare, and you could even throw in the primordial serpents and a young Nameless King redux if one so desired; all literally awesome stuff.

So, essentially, I'm bound to be disappointed by whatever they do, so I'm glad I could share that with you when they bring out what amounts to one last random area/monster pack instead. =)
Title: Re: Dark Souls III
Post by: Feeblecursedone on August 26, 2016, 02:32:04 PM
Fucking agreed. I always wanted to go back to the age of ancients and see eternal dragons in all  their glory. Let the world return to its original state with no life/dark or anything. Or as you said help Gwyn. Imagine being able to summon Gwyn via a sign, that'd be so epic.

As for this DLC, I have two characters on NG + so thankfully I dont have to go through the game again as I assume the DLC's are going to be harsh areas ( as per all ds dlc's ) so something like sl 100-120 will be required as minimum.

I just hope they reveal their new rpg project ( and possibly the sci-fi one ) on tokyo game show this year.
Title: Re: Dark Souls III
Post by: Griffith on August 26, 2016, 04:07:35 PM
Fucking agreed. I always wanted to go back to the age of ancients and see eternal dragons in all  their glory. Let the world return to its original state with no life/dark or anything. Or as you said help Gwyn. Imagine being able to summon Gwyn via a sign, that'd be so epic.

Yep. They could pretty much make everyone an optional boss and/or summon. Imagine fighting the King of the Dragons or whatever in order to reach the Kiln of the First Flame with Gwyn, or fight uber-Gwyn at the peak of his powers to stop him from linking the fire, or both! There is no downside to this scenario. The other thing that would be a good turn is if they did something to unify the whole Blood Souls franchise and reveal them all as parts of the same whole (without directly infringing on Sony's IPs of course =), but that's a little fraught with potential franchise-ruining lameness too. I think the former scenario is obviously more appropriate and likely, but I'll be especially disappointed if what we get ends up being essentially another haunted house with multiplayer map for PvP deviants. To quote Scar, "Oooh gooodeeee."

As for this DLC, I have two characters on NG + so thankfully I dont have to go through the game again as I assume the DLC's are going to be harsh areas ( as per all ds dlc's ) so something like sl 100-120 will be required as minimum.

I haven't played in about a month (DS1 and 2 DLC instead) but my guy is somewhere around SL200 and I think I'm better at DS3 than 1 or 2 combined; I was putting down Aldrich invaders 2 at a time, but then maybe they're just way weaker than my guy, I don't know if/how they calculate "Soul Memory" in this game (speaking of which, in DS2 while grinding at Dragon Shrine I got invaded and lured them out on the rope bridge so we were both killed by a Wyvern, but I got the credit, effigy, and souls for the kill! That's my new go to there if they fall for it =). So, in any case I'm not worried... unless old characters can't access the DLC. :ganishka:

I just hope they reveal their new rpg project ( and possibly the sci-fi one ) on tokyo game show this year.

Anybody looking forward to the "Sci-Fi Dark Souls" from the team that did Lords of the Fallen? I never played it but heard it was a decent enough knock off.
Title: Re: Dark Souls III
Post by: Feeblecursedone on August 26, 2016, 04:11:11 PM
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Anybody looking forward to the "Sci-Fi Dark Souls" from the team that did Lords of the Fallen? I never played it but heard it was a decent enough knock off

Ah, The Surge? It looks interesting enough, yeah.
Title: Re: Dark Souls III
Post by: Walter on September 21, 2016, 10:53:36 PM
Quote from: http://www.usgamer.net/articles/dark-souls-creator-is-done-with-series-new-armored-core-in-development
"For me, Dark Souls III is the end," Miyazaki said in a round table interview attended by Kotaku and IGN. "But that doesn't mean the end for Dark Souls. If someone other than myself, like another staff member, wants to make a Dark Souls, then I don't want to deny others from making future installments."

We've known for a while that Miyazaki was "done" with the Souls series after III, but now he's talking about one of From's next projects — a return to Armored Core.

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"We are making a new Armored Core. We are still in the early stages of development," he said. "I can't talk about how early it is."
Title: Re: Dark Souls III
Post by: Aazealh on September 27, 2016, 05:32:37 AM
We've known for a while that Miyazaki was "done" with the Souls series after III, but now he's talking about one of From's next projects — a return to Armored Core.

That has the potential to be very cool.
Title: Re: Dark Souls III
Post by: Feeblecursedone on September 27, 2016, 06:59:58 PM
Never played Armored Core, but im very interested about the sci-fi game that's apparently going to be souls like, if the rumours are correct. We just needed souls in space  :ubik:
Title: Re: Dark Souls III
Post by: ryOtoha on September 28, 2016, 03:25:33 PM
Back in march,

Quote from: Vice reporter
I've the perfect chance to pitch some Dark Souls III DLC, relating to a game from his own past. Imagine, if you will, your avatar in gleaming armour, great sword in hand, so many enemies slain – and then taking that character into a gigantic, mechanised version of Demon's Souls' Tower Knight and taking on White Glint. Yep, I'm talking about a Souls-Armored Core crossover.
Miyazaki laughs, of course, before answering:


 
Quote from: Miyazaki
"We actually released a Dreamcast game pretty similar to that concept, named Frame Gride (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6gasJewwN8o). It's a mix of fantasy and mecha genres, both of which I love working on. I'd love to work on a game that evokes the same themes as anime series like Aura Battler Dunbine and The Vision of Escaflowne, but it would be incredibly difficult to do so. I want to work on a game like that, but other people at FromSoftware would think that would be an impossible idea."

 :beast:

Title: Re: Dark Souls III
Post by: VladimirPutin on September 29, 2016, 05:05:24 PM
Dark Souls III is better than II but it's really bad game considering how good Demon's Souls and Dark Souls were. It's just the easiest one which is bad thing, and graphics aren't really improved. I think it's a good game overall, but not comparing it to Demon's Souls, Dark Souls or Bloodborne. I am happy that FS will not make Dark Souls anymore, because they've done everything they can with this title.
Title: Re: Dark Souls III
Post by: Walter on September 29, 2016, 05:08:07 PM
I am happy that FS will not make Dark Souls anymore, because they've done everything they can with this title.

Well, what Miyazaki said was that he personally wouldn't be involved in another one, but "If someone other than myself, like another staff member, wants to make a Dark Souls, then I don't want to deny others from making future installments."
Title: Re: Dark Souls III
Post by: VladimirPutin on September 29, 2016, 05:12:29 PM
Yes, you are pretty much correct, II was without his involvment as a director, so the next Dark Souls could be similar. Personally I'm waiting for Bloodborne II, I love Lovecraft so Bloodborne is the one I prefer.
Title: Re: Dark Souls III
Post by: Walter on September 29, 2016, 05:22:07 PM
Yes, you are pretty much correct

There's the Putin I know and love  :iva:
Title: Re: Dark Souls III
Post by: N7Paladin on September 29, 2016, 05:40:26 PM
There's the Putin I know and love  :iva:


Are you Trump?
Title: Re: Dark Souls III
Post by: Griffith on September 29, 2016, 09:45:41 PM
Yeah, I'd be $eriou$ly $urpri$ed if From$oftware $topped making $oul$ game$.

More Bloodborne amounts to the same thing, and he's basically just saying if someone else at the company he runs wants to ship another 2 million units... well, he's not against it! =) Anyway, I really enjoyed and played the hell out of DS3, so I'm not crazy for more right now, even the DLC, but I have the season pass so I'll check it out.

Aaz and Wally, what's your holdup? The aforementioned series fatigue?
Title: Re: Dark Souls III
Post by: Aazealh on September 30, 2016, 06:29:42 AM
Aaz and Wally, what's your holdup? The aforementioned series fatigue?

My "Games-to-Play" list is very long and getting longer every day, while my time available to play games is very challenged these days. I bought Dark Souls 3 on release day, but... It's also not the priority on that list right now. I'll get around to it someday though. I waited like a year and a half for DS2.
Title: Re: Dark Souls III
Post by: Walter on September 30, 2016, 01:31:17 PM
Aaz and Wally, what's your holdup? The aforementioned series fatigue?

I actually started a new character in Dark Souls 1 last night, just to see how far I could get in an hour (bell tower). I've done that like, 50 times probably.

Anyway, Dark Souls 2 was such a huge bummer for me, coming off of my intense love affair with Dark Souls 1. By the end of 2, I felt pretty done with the series. I'm really glad Dark Souls 3 is by all accounts a better game, harkening back to some of the stuff that made DS1 cool, but right now I have neither the appetite or the time to spend on the game. I do plan on getting to it some day though. Maybe after they release another "ultimate" edition like they did with DS2.
Title: Re: Dark Souls III
Post by: Feeblecursedone on September 30, 2016, 05:00:56 PM


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My "Games-to-Play" list is very long and getting longer every day,

Post that shit and let's compare it  :carcus:

Hah, my " games-to-play " list is already numbering over 50, and yet I game nearly every day. I admit I'm not sure I would like Bloodborne 2. While I like Lovecraft and gothic settings, I admit I was yearning for some colourful high fantasy after nearing the end of Bloodborne, too much dark is too much, balance is the best.

And yeah, they'll continue making souls games, they just wont be called dark souls.

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Dark Souls III is better than II but it's really bad game considering how good Demon's Souls and Dark Souls were.

Well, if Dark Souls 3 content was the actual first demon/dark game, then we would be saying the same about it as we are saying about demon souls. Its not that that dark souls 3 is a bad game, its definitely not, its just nothing new that we haven't seen so far. You can milk the same formula only so many times even when it comes to dark souls.



Title: Re: Dark Souls III
Post by: Aazealh on September 30, 2016, 06:16:52 PM
Post that shit and let's compare it  :carcus:

Too much effort. But I want to finish DX: Mankind Divided, then I've got Feral Rites and Dragon Front to play, then Rise of the Tomb Raider and Dark Souls III. After that... a lot of other stuff.
Title: Re: Dark Souls III
Post by: Griffith on September 30, 2016, 10:24:29 PM
My "Games-to-Play" list is very long and getting longer every day, while my time available to play games is very challenged these days. I bought Dark Souls 3 on release day, but... It's also not the priority on that list right now. I'll get around to it someday though. I waited like a year and a half for DS2.

WHY NOT WAIT FOR THE INEVITABLE SALE THEN!? :magni:

Sorry, my wife has almost :carcus: completely infected my thinking on such matters.

I actually started a new character in Dark Souls 1 last night, just to see how far I could get in an hour (bell tower). I've done that like, 50 times probably.

Anyway, Dark Souls 2 was such a huge bummer for me, coming off of my intense love affair with Dark Souls 1. By the end of 2, I felt pretty done with the series. I'm really glad Dark Souls 3 is by all accounts a better game, harkening back to some of the stuff that made DS1 cool, but right now I have neither the appetite or the time to spend on the game. I do plan on getting to it some day though. Maybe after they release another "ultimate" edition like they did with DS2.

It's way better than DS2, it may not have the same magic as the original Dark Souls, but at least it'll definitely give you that flavor instead of leaving a bad one in your mouth.

And yeah, they'll continue making souls games, they just wont be called dark souls.

I wouldn't be surprised if they were.

Well, if Dark Souls 3 content was the actual first demon/dark game, then we would be saying the same about it as we are saying about demon souls. Its not that that dark souls 3 is a bad game, its definitely not, its just nothing new that we haven't seen so far. You can milk the same formula only so many times even when it comes to dark souls.

It's Return of the Jedi without the Ewoks. I found it to be the most purely enjoyable of the series, but maybe that has more to do with where I am with the series (Dark Souls 2 was my first experience with the franchise, and therefore the most punishing). It's definitely fun and well balanced while still providing challenges you won't be able to overcome without "gitting gud."
Title: Re: Dark Souls III
Post by: VladimirPutin on September 30, 2016, 11:10:32 PM
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Well, if Dark Souls 3 content was the actual first demon/dark game, then we would be saying the same about it as we are saying about demon souls. Its not that that dark souls 3 is a bad game, its definitely not, its just nothing new that we haven't seen so far. You can milk the same formula only so many times even when it comes to dark souls.

I love Demon's Souls because it has fair difficulty level. Dark Souls II sometimes was forcing absurd difficulty level on us, while Demon's Souls was just fair and this is why I loved that game. Dark Souls III was the easiest one for me and it was a problem.

I love the notion of minimalism in Demon's Souls, FS later tried hard to implement big knights with big swords and even bigger knights with bigger swords, giant knights with giant swords - but I didn't like it. Demon's Souls is the most minimalist and by far - best designed Souls. For example, which lava location in Souls series is the best? Of course Demon's Souls.
Title: Re: Dark Souls III
Post by: Griffith on October 01, 2016, 03:13:38 AM
Everyone knows the best game locations are ice locations and where's the best ice locatiion? Dark Souls II of course. That says it all.
Title: Re: Dark Souls III
Post by: Aazealh on October 01, 2016, 12:00:12 PM
WHY NOT WAIT FOR THE INEVITABLE SALE THEN!? :magni:

Sorry, my wife has almost :carcus: completely infected my thinking on such matters.

I consider my purchases to be more than simple consumerism and deliberate acts of support towards an industry, company or author. Therefore I'm more than happy to pay full price for something so long as it seems worth it. Some titles however I'll wait till they cost $5. Also, I did plan on playing these games right away when I purchased them, it's just that... stuff happened.
Title: Re: Dark Souls III
Post by: VladimirPutin on October 01, 2016, 04:01:50 PM
Everyone knows the best game locations are ice locations and where's the best ice locatiion? Dark Souls II of course. That says it all.

And even if that's the case ( are you talking about Frozen Eleum Loyce? ) it will not change lack of good design in locations, enemies and bosses. I mean, do we really have something like Maiden Astraea, Dragon God, Old Monk or Storm King in Dark Souls II? Even knight bosses in Dark Souls II are sort of cheap designed while Penetrator is great with his movement and design. World in Demon's Souls is constructed logically, other worlds in Souls series are pure chaos and fact that they are connected doesnt change things for better. Dark Souls was good continuation of what Demon's Souls gave us, but I think only Bloodborne was somewhat good example of FS creativity, while Dark Souls II and Dark Souls III are lacking of new ideas, but we should agree with Walter that III is borrowing some decent elements from the first Dark Souls which is good.
Title: Re: Dark Souls III
Post by: Griffith on October 01, 2016, 08:51:00 PM
I consider my purchases to be more than simple consumerism and deliberate acts of support towards an industry, company or author. Therefore I'm more than happy to pay full price for something so long as it seems worth it.

I just assume the good authors, companies and industries are all being exploited by the like six megacompanies that control and profit from media anyway, or they become successful enough to become exploiters within the chain themselves. Obviously, in a more grounded sense there's specific exceptions, or just creators and companies I like and would also like to support anyway, but I'm generally more cynical and don't really see it that way. To your point about support and/or value though, I also think the argument works that if it's not worth investing the full price in it's probably also not worth investing your time in anyway. A game you only want to spend $5 on is a $5 game to you and you're better off finding something worth a bigger investment.

Some titles however I'll wait till they cost $5.

Of course, there's a reason they sell those games for $5 too. I got Tomb Raider for like $5 and loved and played it for hours. The mere consumer wins! Nope. Because then I paid full price for Rise of the Tomb Raider, which I lost interest in relatively quickly because it's not much different than the original, which brings the tally up to 65$. Probably about a wash in the end. More often than not I probably spend the $5-10 on games I never end up playing either.

Also, I did plan on playing these games right away when I purchased them, it's just that... stuff happened.

Yeah, again, it comes back to what's really worth your time, or what game you just HAVE to play, not that you want to or would potentially be interested in. I'm assuming DX is like that for you since you bought and played it from the get go? We'd probably all be better off saving our money and time just for those games instead of bothering with a backlog of "games we want to play" that are arguably the opposite.

And even if that's the case ( are you talking about Frozen Eleum Loyce? )

I don't know, but if you do it kind of makes my point, whatever that is, doesn't it? :carcus:
Title: Re: Dark Souls III
Post by: Oburi on October 01, 2016, 11:08:44 PM


Yeah, again, it comes back to what's really worth your time, or what game you just HAVE to play, not that you want to or would potentially be interested in. I'm assuming DX is like that for you since you bought and played it from the get go? We'd probably all be better off saving our money and time just for those games instead of bothering with a backlog of "games we want to play" that are arguably the opposite.


Not to derail this thread too much but this is basically the attitude I've adopted since I shelled out the $400+ for my Uncharted PS4 Edition (Uncharted 4 inevitably ended up in my backlog  :ganishka:) because I bought the system specifically for Dark Souls 3. Now I'm on a strictly one-game-at-a-time diet. After DS3 (which I can't say I didn't get my moneys worth) it's Deus Ex, which in my opinion is that good (holds me over until the new Mass Effect, which will also be a day one purchase).  But without the time or money for a backlog, prioritizing like this works just fine.
Title: Re: Dark Souls III
Post by: Walter on October 06, 2016, 11:38:39 PM
I just took the plunge, after a Steam sale brought the price down to $38. I'll leave impressions once I'm far enough in. One thing's for sure, my poor PC can't run Souls games on high settings anymore  :judo:
Title: Re: Dark Souls III
Post by: Griffith on October 06, 2016, 11:46:37 PM
I just took the plunge, after a Steam sale brought the price down to $38. I'll leave impressions once I'm far enough in.

Alright, glad you jumped in, looking forward to hearing what you think; will the lava levels be good enough?

One thing's for sure, my poor PC can't run Souls games on high settings anymore  :judo:

Do what I do now and just HDMI your PC to your TV and it doesn't matter! Looks big screen console great, like wearing beer goggles. It's the only way I can play Doom 2016.
Title: Re: Dark Souls III
Post by: Walter on January 12, 2017, 07:06:30 PM
Title: Re: Dark Souls III
Post by: RaffoBaffo on January 12, 2017, 07:42:36 PM
He makes pretty good videos.

There are a couple in English, but the Italian ones are still the best ones.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Zk75WJCwbw
Title: Re: Dark Souls III
Post by: Griffith on January 12, 2017, 11:21:29 PM
https://www.youtube.com/embed/bzJDimvPW1Y?

 :ganishka:

He makes pretty good videos.

There are a couple in English, but the Italian ones are still the best ones.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Zk75WJCwbw

Hole. Lee. She It.
Title: Re: Dark Souls III
Post by: Truder on January 13, 2017, 12:32:59 AM
https://www.youtube.com/embed/bzJDimvPW1Y?rel=0
The Crow at the end! :ganishka: :ganishka:
Title: Re: Dark Souls III
Post by: Proj2501 on January 21, 2017, 05:14:27 PM
Some crazy similarity I just noticed while perusing an art book at my friend's place. 

Lilith by Barlowe Note the grey bird creature at her feet.

(https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/564x/0d/6e/b6/0d6eb6856279c2687e587e72b2dea7a4.jpg)

Corvian Settler

(http://darksouls3.wiki.fextralife.com/file/Dark-Souls-3/corvian_settler.jpg)

The similarity seems too on the nose to be an accident. Sorry if people already knew this.
Title: Re: Dark Souls III
Post by: Walter on January 23, 2017, 03:38:08 PM
Trailer for new DLC: The Ringed City

Title: Re: Dark Souls III
Post by: Griffith on January 23, 2017, 06:23:24 PM
https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/564x/0d/6e/b6/0d6eb6856279c2687e587e72b2dea7a4.jpg

Corvian Settler

Cool, but...

Trailer for new DLC: The Ringed City

https://www.youtube.com/embed/k5nkt3ylAPA

This is what I was really looking for! The best part is the old narrator lady pronouncing a close to the age of fire and implying some full circle closure to the trilogy (I specify trilogy rather than series because I'm sure they will find a way to directly follow their best selling game and one of the best of the past year). Unfortunately, beyond that there seems to be little of the sort, but another generic set of expanded areas and monster packs, half of which we've already seen, if not interacted with, in the main game. Maybe they're holding the best, or at least something, back for the actual release, but if Ashes of Ariandel is any indication what we see is what we'll get. I can't say it wouldn't be fitting for the trilogy's plot to play out exclusively through item lore and interpretations of cryptic dialogue from seemingly familiar but random characters between fights with Stray/Fire Demon clones. This is how a fire going out ends. =)