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Title: Episode 339
Post by: RaffoBaffo on August 25, 2015, 02:06:45 PM
Title: 月下の王都 - The capital city under the moonlight
Title: Re: Episode 339
Post by: jackson_hurley on August 25, 2015, 02:24:37 PM
Yes!!! Now what can we say about that first taste? Tapasa going to check on a "flattened" Rakshas just to see him emerge in his apostle form? Thx RaffoBaffo!

Also, is Rickert recognising Silat from when he attacked the Falcons in the golden age?
Title: Re: Episode 339
Post by: Gonzo on August 25, 2015, 02:46:10 PM
So hype!
Title: Re: Episode 339
Post by: Proj2501 on August 25, 2015, 02:54:07 PM
 :ubik:
It's been so long since we've seen the Tapasa in action! I'm wondering if we'll see one of the them bite the dust in this episode. Where are the other two? Ugh. Cannot wait to see what's in store.
Title: Re: Episode 339
Post by: Walter on August 25, 2015, 03:04:23 PM
The shading effect from the fading sun is phenomenal on that first page. If the episode title (relating to the moon over the city) holds true, this will be quite a visual spectacle.

:ubik:
It's been so long since we've seen the Tapasa in action!

We've never really seen them go all out, and this could be their big moment.

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Where are the other two?

I'm sure they're around. Since this was an infiltration mission, probably best to go in with a small group.
Title: Re: Episode 339
Post by: Proj2501 on August 25, 2015, 03:23:53 PM
I recently read the series all over again and have noticed several things I didn't catch years ago. One being, we never saw how the very first fight between Rakshas and the Tapasa ended. They obviously fled and I assume they did so because the odds were stacked way against them and not solely because of Rakshas alone.
Title: Re: Episode 339
Post by: Walter on August 25, 2015, 03:29:43 PM
I recently read the series all over again and have noticed several things I didn't catch years ago. One being, we never saw how the very first fight between Rakshas and the Tapasa ended. They obviously fled and I assume they did so because the odds were stacked way against them and not solely because of Rakshas alone.

Yep. But I mean, if they were killed, that would probably be something we'd have seen.
Title: Re: Episode 339
Post by: Proj2501 on August 25, 2015, 03:31:45 PM
At the time, they were just introduced, so I suppose Miura didn't deem it necessary to show they safely made it out. Or, y'know, there were 6 of them at one point.  :troll:
Title: Re: Episode 339
Post by: Walter on August 25, 2015, 03:45:27 PM
At the time, they were just introduced, so I suppose Miura didn't deem it necessary to show they safely made it out.

They were introduced in Volume 18, four volumes preceding the attack on Shet. I think he didn't show them escaping because it would have disrupted the pacing of the whole scene. Again, it'd be very unlike Miura to introduce a unique set of characters like that only to have them killed between pages.

Anyway, I haven't bothered to do so, but if you're interested you could probably compare the signs on their foreheads with their various appearances to confirm whether they survived that encounter.
Title: Re: Episode 339
Post by: hearTes on August 25, 2015, 03:45:59 PM
I'm hoping that Rickert slaps Rakshas... :rickert: :rakshas:
Title: Re: Episode 339
Post by: Proj2501 on August 25, 2015, 04:03:48 PM
Anyway, I haven't bothered to do so, but if you're interested you could probably compare the signs on their foreheads with their various appearances to confirm whether they survived that encounter.

Haha. Jesus. You're totally right. I completely forgot about the markings. And, I don't have the books on hand, I was referring to the fight where Zodd, Grunberd, Rakshas and Locus all meet for the first time and pledge loyalty to Griffith. Were they introduced earlier?! No, right?
Title: Re: Episode 339
Post by: jackson_hurley on August 25, 2015, 04:06:42 PM
Haha. Jesus. You're totally right. I completely forgot about the markings. And, I don't have the books on hand, I was referring to the fight where Zodd, Grunberd, Rakshas and Locus all meet for the first time and pledge loyalty to Griffith. Were they introduced earlier?! No, right?

We briefly saw them when Guts just mowed down a kushan scoot. You know with Isidro hiding behind the barrel. Then Silat comments on him and how they could take him down but probably with some loss on their side. Vaguely something like that. (volume 18 as mentionned a bit upper then me)
Title: Re: Episode 339
Post by: Oburi on August 25, 2015, 04:47:55 PM
From the bottom of that page, I imagine the Tapasa must be quite gruesome to look at up close in fine detail, even for Rickert. I mean, it's just super ripped tendons and muscles exposed all over the body right?
Title: Re: Episode 339
Post by: Aazealh on August 25, 2015, 05:21:07 PM
Episode title is "The capital city under the moonlight".

I wonder what potential effects the full moon might have on the city and its surroundings, given its magic-enhancing properties. And... could it be we'll get to see the boy? This episode's title is constructed just like that of episode 238.

Also, is Rickert recognising Silat from when he attacked the Falcons in the golden age?

He's saying "what the hell...?!"

I completely forgot about the markings.

Just so it's clear, the four Tapasa are still very much alive, they're just rarely all out together during scouting/infiltration missions. Besides, someone's got to head the clan while Silat's away.

We briefly saw them when Guts just mowed down a kushan scoot. You know with Isidro hiding behind the barrel. The Silat comments on him and how they could take him down but probably with some loss on their side. Vaguely something like that. (volume 18 as mentionned a bit upper then me)

They were also there when Femto was incarnated.

From the bottom of that page, I imagine the Tapasa must be quite gruesome to look at up close in fine detail, even for Rickert. I mean, it's just super ripped tendons and muscles exposed all over the body right?

Well they're not skinless if that's what you mean by exposed. They're just grossly ripped (and have giant calluses in key places), like they've spent their entire lives training excruciatingly (and have favorable genetics).
Title: Re: Episode 339
Post by: JMP on August 25, 2015, 08:50:33 PM
Tapasa going to check on a "flattened" Rakshas just to see him emerge in his apostle form?
Hmm, I think a Tapasa will pick up Rickert and they'll run for it. Sticking around to check if the monster's dead doesn't usually work out too well, at least from what I've seen in horror movies. :ganishka: (Actually, I believe a similar scenario was mentioned by someone else in the thread about episode 338 and it seems pretty likely to me.)

From the bottom of that page, I imagine the Tapasa must be quite gruesome to look at up close in fine detail, even for Rickert. I mean, it's just super ripped tendons and muscles exposed all over the body right?
LOL, Maybe the Tapasa are what Luka and the other girls are reacting to from that preview where they're looking shocked.  :isidro:

From that same preview it showed Rakshas perched atop a stone falcon as if he's watching something. If Silat and company do make a run for it maybe that's showing Rakshas following and observing them to see where they go.  :rakshas:

Episode title is "The capital city under the moonlight".

I wonder what potential effects the full moon might have on the city and its surroundings, given its magic-enhancing properties. And... could it be we'll get to see the boy? This episode's title is constructed just like that of episode 238.
Cool! I hope so. It would be nice to learn some more about him.

Also, would this be the correct magazine to get for this newest episode? http://www.cdjapan.co.jp/product/NEOBK-1846509 (http://www.cdjapan.co.jp/product/NEOBK-1846509) Seems like I remember seeing a post that it would be in the one releasing on August 28th, right?

Can't wait to see what's going to happen!  :guts:
Title: Re: Episode 339
Post by: Aazealh on August 25, 2015, 08:56:19 PM
Also, would this be the correct magazine to get for this newest episode? http://www.cdjapan.co.jp/product/NEOBK-1846509 (http://www.cdjapan.co.jp/product/NEOBK-1846509)

Yes.
Title: Re: Episode 339
Post by: JMP on August 25, 2015, 08:59:28 PM
Ok, thanks!
Title: Re: Episode 339
Post by: TheAlmightyLoli on August 25, 2015, 10:02:39 PM
Kentaro must be his art store's best friend. So many pens...
Title: Re: Episode 339
Post by: Proj2501 on August 26, 2015, 01:28:33 AM
Excuse the damn dirty scans. Trying to keep track of which Tapasa we've seen.

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http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g293/RRomero704/berserk-1591236_zpsixgvmyt2.jpg

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http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g293/RRomero704/berserk-28502_zpsjprlkewe.jpg

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http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g293/RRomero704/berserk-1593036_zpsvuovanyt.jpg

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http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g293/RRomero704/berserk-1593592_zps74e0ggm4.jpg
Title: Re: Episode 339
Post by: Aazealh on August 26, 2015, 06:37:46 AM
Excuse the damn dirty scans. Trying to keep track of which Tapasa we've seen.

You're missing a few scenes. The last time we had seen them prior to this was in episode 294.
Title: Re: Episode 339
Post by: RaffoBaffo on August 26, 2015, 08:12:38 AM
Full Episode is out
Title: Re: Episode 339
Post by: TheBranded1 on August 26, 2015, 08:26:01 AM
THANKS!
Title: Re: Episode 339
Post by: Squiddot on August 26, 2015, 08:50:34 AM
Full Episode is out

Awesome, lots of cool new stuff here. Looking forward to hearing some translations.

That scene with the luca and the Tapasa is hilarious enough as is though.
Title: Re: Episode 339
Post by: Aazealh on August 26, 2015, 09:07:04 AM
Hahaha nice, Griff was right about Rakshas' cloak! Those panels of him without the mask, faceless, are somehow more disturbing than anything else I had thought of.
Title: Re: Episode 339
Post by: MrFlibble on August 26, 2015, 09:34:16 AM
Full Episode is out

He gets crushed and walks it off, he gets stabbed in the head and switches to a dummy body at the last second. How is anybody meant to kill Rakshas? He seems to have an answer for everything.
Title: Re: Episode 339
Post by: Skeleton on August 26, 2015, 09:45:32 AM
Wow!  Great episode!  I can already tell the dialogue in this one is going to be absolutely delicious.

I'm stoked that we finally got the Bakiraka and Daiba crossing paths.  I find Daiba's reaction interesting though.  While I didn't expect them to run up and hug one another I figured he'd at least make his presence known when he first spotted them.  But I suppose their respective positions in Ganishka's military wouldn't give them much contact with one another so there wouldn't be a close enough relationship for him to do anything beyond recognizing them?
Title: Re: Episode 339
Post by: N7Paladin on August 26, 2015, 09:53:46 AM
Miura's drawings continues to impress me, the detail in these past couple of episodes has been superb.

I cannot wait to find out the details about that mask.... Rakshas' response to it being split was very unexpected for me.
Title: Re: Episode 339
Post by: Handmade on August 26, 2015, 09:58:28 AM
I'm hoping that Rickert slaps Rakshas... :rickert: :rakshas:

If you can slap Griffith, you can do anything! C'mere Zodd!  :rickert:  :zodd:
Title: Re: Episode 339
Post by: Aazealh on August 26, 2015, 10:44:40 AM
He gets crushed and walks it off, he gets stabbed in the head and switches to a dummy body at the last second. How is anybody meant to kill Rakshas? He seems to have an answer for everything.

It's not really a last-second switch, seems to be more like a "permanent" decoy.

Anyway, I love what Miura did for Rakshas' design. It feels like he went back to the basics of fear: what is unknown and foreign. Since the mask is so iconic and cool, having something behind it, whatever it was, might be have disappointing. But to have nothing (or almost, a faint trace of a face) be there? That's absolutely brilliant. Those panels of him standing there faceless are just amazing to me. And it also makes him the ultimate spy/assassin: faceless and featureless. "What did he look like? I just saw a cloak."

I'm stoked that we finally got the Bakiraka and Daiba crossing paths.  I find Daiba's reaction interesting though.  While I didn't expect them to run up and hug one another I figured he'd at least make his presence known when he first spotted them.  But I suppose their respective positions in Ganishka's military wouldn't give them much contact with one another so there wouldn't be a close enough relationship for him to do anything beyond recognizing them?

You're assuming they would be glad to see him. That is not certain at all. I completely understand his cautiousness.

I cannot wait to find out the details about that mask.... Rakshas' response to it being split was very unexpected for me.

Rakshas liked it a lot and was saddened that Silat broke it. He wasn't in the mood anymore, so he told them to wait for him to come back with a new one later that night.

I'll post a complete summary later, no time right now. This is a very interesting episode, and I'm really excited about what's to come.
Title: Re: Episode 339
Post by: Squiddot on August 26, 2015, 11:02:26 AM
It's not really a last-second switch, seems to be more like a permanent decoy.

The way i'm seeing it is that his "body" has dived down at the last minute leaving the mask and his usual silhouette standing yet empty, and he's resurfaced behind Silat with the cloak draped over him.

This whole fight has got me convinced the whole cloak is part of his body though. It's so elastic and he has so much control over it.
Title: Re: Episode 339
Post by: Aazealh on August 26, 2015, 11:05:37 AM
The way i'm seeing it is that his "body" has dived down at the last minute leaving the mask and his usual silhouette standing yet empty, and he's resurfaced behind Silat with the cloak draped over him.

This whole fight has got me convinced the whole cloak is part of his body though. It so elastic and he has so much control over it.

I think at this point it's clear that the cloak is his body.
Title: Re: Episode 339
Post by: Squiddot on August 26, 2015, 11:10:37 AM
I think at this point it's clear that the cloak is his body.

Yeah, though notice how his eyes no longer have the glow when his mask is removed. It could be that an area of his face that is usually uncovered when he's wearing a mask (boy, that sounds weird) is being obscured by the cloak just hanging over him.
Title: Re: Episode 339
Post by: MrFlibble on August 26, 2015, 11:45:12 AM
The way i'm seeing it is that his "body" has dived down at the last minute leaving the mask and his usual silhouette standing yet empty, and he's resurfaced behind Silat with the cloak draped over him.

This whole fight has got me convinced the whole cloak is part of his body though. It's so elastic and he has so much control over it.

If he has any vital organs, like a brain he probably moved them away from his head before he got hit. Assuming he isn't just a living cloak.
Title: Re: Episode 339
Post by: Aazealh on August 26, 2015, 11:47:16 AM
Yeah, though notice how his eyes no longer have the glow when his mask is removed. It could be that an area of his face that is usually uncovered when he's wearing a mask (boy, that sounds weird) is being obscured by the cloak just hanging over him.

I don't think so, it's probably just a stylistic choice on Miura's part.

If he has any vital organs, like a brain he probably moved them away from his head before he got hit. Assuming he isn't just a living cloak.

Well he has a head, that much is sure, and it wasn't behind the mask when he was hit. That's how he could catch Silat by surprise.
Title: Re: Episode 339
Post by: Kruge on August 26, 2015, 12:58:54 PM
Yeah, though notice how his eyes no longer have the glow when his mask is removed. It could be that an area of his face that is usually uncovered when he's wearing a mask (boy, that sounds weird) is being obscured by the cloak just hanging over him.

If you look at the last panel, it looks as if his eyes are still glowing even without the mask.
Title: Re: Episode 339
Post by: Squiddot on August 26, 2015, 01:10:12 PM
If you look at the last panel, it looks as if his eyes are still glowing even without the mask.

If Aazealh's on the spot translation a few posts up was right he probably picked up a new one while he was away. But even if he hadn't, I'm sure he would have re-aligned himself with the eye holes by then. My earlier post was just using that as evidence to show he had been forced to move closer to the edge of his cloak rather than "wearing" it properly like every other time.
Title: Re: Episode 339
Post by: Salem on August 26, 2015, 01:28:09 PM
Even without the translation this is a very important episode.  Obvious that Rickert is telling the fall of the falcons and I'll assume that for the foreseeable future we'll be seeing him "kick it" with our eastern friends.  This could really start moving the main plot forward.
Title: Re: Episode 339
Post by: Squiddot on August 26, 2015, 01:43:04 PM
Even without the translation this is a very important episode.  Obvious that Rickert is telling the fall of the falcons and I'll assume that for the foreseeable future we'll be seeing him "kick it" with our eastern friends.  This could really start moving the main plot forward.

I agree, it looks like the Falconia storyline has a clear ending in sight now, along with a great jumpoff point to take us back to a certain seabound squad. I'm really interested in what Silat is saying in the panel featuring the rocky mountain path. Could that be a way out of the city? And Rakshas looming over the city near the end there is pretty unsettling. Hopefully he'll keep his beef with the Bakiraka and Rickert away from Luca and Erica. There's also still Garuda chilling in the barn which strikes me as a massive "Chekhov's gun" that we've yet to see in action. The 25th can't come soon enough!
Title: Re: Episode 339
Post by: Walter on August 26, 2015, 01:53:20 PM
Such a bizarre reveal, if it can even be called that. Behind the mask is yet another kind of mask..!  :rakshas:

The Tapasa trying to play nice got a big laugh out of me, that crying cat as well.  :ubik:

I'm really interested in what Silat is saying in the panel featuring the rocky mountain path. Could that be a way out of the city?

There will be a summary with partial translation soon.

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There's also still Garuda chilling in the barn which strikes me as a massive "Chekhov's gun" that we've yet to see in action. The 25th can't come soon enough!

I have no doubts that we'll see Garuda flying around again, but it's not like there's been an opportunity for that in the recent episodes, so I think ascribing it as a "massive Chekhov's Gun" is a bit much...  :daiba:

Title: Re: Episode 339
Post by: JMP on August 26, 2015, 01:56:06 PM
Wow! The clash between the Bakiraka and Rakshas is great. Silat apparently did the best possible thing he could have done in that situation by breaking Rakshas' mask. The panel after Silat stabbed the mask and it cracks is cool, it looks all wall-eyed in that moment and just gave me a very creepy feeling.  :rakshas:

Anyway, I love what Miura did for Rakshas' design. It feels like he went back to the basics of fear: what is unknown and foreign. Since the mask is so iconic and cool, having something behind it, whatever it was, might be have disappointing. But to have nothing (or almost, a faint trace of a face) be there? That's absolutely brilliant.
Great points and I agree! I think I actually like this design much more than I would have if Rakshas had turned out to be a more concrete and monster-like form.

I love the way Rakshas reacts to his mask being broken. He doesn't feel like playing any more and goes drifting off dejectedly.

The Tapasa trying to play nice got a big laugh out of me, that crying cat as well.  :ubik:
Same here, I love the Tapasa's smiles when they meet Erika! They're trying to be friendly, but they just end up looking even freakier than usual! Cracked me up! :ganishka: Erika and the cat's expressions are great, too!

Very cool episode and I don't even know what was said yet! Looking forward to that!  :guts:
Title: Re: Episode 339
Post by: jackson_hurley on August 26, 2015, 01:59:20 PM
I'm assuming that the cliff shot is possibly where the bakiraka are hanging out? (There seems to be a temple or a structure on top of that pike, or I'm seeing things too much)

It's also impressive to see the tapasa coordinating their effort as easy as nothing. Very very cool episode and very very very interesting characters!
Title: Re: Episode 339
Post by: Squiddot on August 26, 2015, 02:14:25 PM
I have no doubts that we'll see Garuda flying around again, but it's not like there's been an opportunity for that in the recent episodes, so I think ascribing it as a "massive Chekhov's Gun" is a bit much...  :daiba:

Well, massive in the sense that as soon as it was revealed it was a sort of "We'll definitely be revisiting this again" moment. Compared to something like the automated water hose, which is also speculated to have some future implications. You're right about there being no opportunities for it and Miura's done all he can to keep it in the picture, like having the kids try and spy on it. But I would be very surprised if it doesn't become relevant in the immediate future.

I think I actually like this design much more than I would have if Rakshas had turned out to be a more concrete and monster-like form.

When i first saw him I immediately thought of a kid's attempt at a clay human, or a statue that had been withered down to near nothing. Definitely the eeriest thing I've seen in Berserk for a very long time.
Title: Re: Episode 339
Post by: Salem on August 26, 2015, 02:29:30 PM
I agree, it looks like the Falconia storyline has a clear ending in sight now, along with a great jumpoff point to take us back to a certain seabound squad. I'm really interested in what Silat is saying in the panel featuring the rocky mountain path. Could that be a way out of the city? And Rakshas looming over the city near the end there is pretty unsettling. Hopefully he'll keep his beef with the Bakiraka and Rickert away from Luca and Erica. There's also still Garuda chilling in the barn which strikes me as a massive "Chekhov's gun" that we've yet to see in action. The 25th can't come soon enough!

I'm still hoping that Rakshas, as crazy as he is, pulls a Vader down the road and intervenes in the good fight.  Yea, not likely, but he's obviously holding back and I'm super excited to hear more about his past.

Looks like the lonely islands "on a boat" since volume 32 is gonna end very soon with this pace.
Title: Re: Episode 339
Post by: Walter on August 26, 2015, 02:30:19 PM
We talked about this in the last podcast, but with that scene between Silat/Rickert/Luca, we could be seeing the founding seeds of a future revolutionary force. But already, it's being threatened by Rakshas hovering over the town, presumably spying on their activities.

Well, massive in the sense that as soon as it was revealed it was a sort of "We'll definitely be revisiting this again" moment. Compared to something like the automated water hose, which is also speculated to have some future implications. You're right about there being no opportunities for it and Miura's done all he can to keep it in the picture, like having the kids try and spy on it. But I would be very surprised if it doesn't become relevant in the immediate future.

Of all things to dwell on in this episode thread, it sure is weird that we're talking about Garuda. I don't think its introduction earlier necessitates its immediate involvement in the story. However, I can envision a scenario where Rickert, Silat and the Tapasa get cornered on their escape from Falconia, and Daiba rescues them with Garuda. That could immediately elucidate them on Daiba's new role. Otherwise, his former association with Ganishka would surely be a problem for Silat.
Title: Re: Episode 339
Post by: rage-al on August 26, 2015, 02:49:58 PM
What an exciting and beautiful episode!

I like the panel where the now faceless Rakshas is looking down on his broken mask the best. It feels very tragic, especially seeing him floating away with a lowered head. Without a mask, it seems like he thinks of himself as nothing more than a shapeless being. He still can get away but his fighting spirit is lost.

I'm still hoping that Rakshas, as crazy as he is, pulls a Vader down the road and intervenes in the good fight.  Yea, not likely, but he's obviously holding back and I'm super excited to hear more about his past.
I am also VERY curious about his backstory. Was it his wish to loose his own identity to become a better assassin? What do you think he sacrifced to become an apostle?


The Tapasa trying to play nice got a big laugh out of me, that crying cat as well.  :ubik:

Everyone's expression in these panels is priceless  :serpico:
Title: Re: Episode 339
Post by: Walter on August 26, 2015, 02:54:22 PM
I like the panel where the now faceless Rakshas is looking down on his broken mask the best. It feels very tragic, especially seeing him floating away with a lowered head. Without a mask, it seems like he thinks of himself as nothing more than a shapeless being.

This is really smart. After the reveal, I wondered myself why he bothers with the mask, but it's so obvious. It's a form of identity in his otherwise faceless/shapeless void.

That being said, I think he retreated because he's a rather contrary sort of guy, constantly toying with the Tapasa. It's always seemed more like a game to him than something serious. UNTIL NOW  :femto:
Title: Re: Episode 339
Post by: Kaladin on August 26, 2015, 03:01:58 PM
Such a great episode, and its so nice to see the date for the next episode!!!! :ubik:

so many interesting things happened, the panel with Silat and that mountain like formation in the background looks interesting, probably somewhere back in the homeland...just nice to see different places in the world!

The way Silat and the Tapasa fought, they work so well together as a team

last month i thought Rakshas was gonna dodge that pillar but he infact DID get hit, it didn't do much to him though  :ganishka:
Title: Re: Episode 339
Post by: Proj2501 on August 26, 2015, 03:13:00 PM
This episode really managed to surprise. What the f#@% is Rakshas? Why did he take his leave like that? So many questions. 

Years ago, I never thought we'd see Rickert having his own unique encounters and adventures. Goofily smiling Tapasa are something I NEVER expected to see. Love it utterly though. The pair waiting patiently in the stable and the curious horses. So effing great.
Title: Re: Episode 339
Post by: Griffith on August 26, 2015, 03:15:52 PM
Hahaha nice, Griff was right about Rakshas' cloak!

After 15 years of throwing shit at the wall something was bound to stick. :rakshas:


Anyway, that was certainly eventful! This had a lot more story progress (and a lot less Apostle transformation/fighting) than anyone anticipated. Rakshas seems so tragic without his mask (maybe it's the only way he knows where to keep his face =), but even that great reveal paled in comparison to the scariness of Tapasa dressed like old grannies (love Silat's shoulder pads under the cloak too; very inconspicuous)! Can't wait to find out what they're saying, though the obvious connections have been made.
Title: Re: Episode 339
Post by: luizao on August 26, 2015, 04:06:27 PM
Such a great episode, and its so nice to see the date for the next episode!!!! :ubik:

so many interesting things happened, the panel with Silat and that mountain like formation in the background looks interesting, probably somewhere back in the homeland...just nice to see different places in the world!

The way Silat and the Tapasa fought, they work so well together as a team

last month i thought Rakshas was gonna dodge that pillar but he infact DID get hit, it didn't do much to him though  :ganishka:


This is right after Rickert tell them about the sacrifices so maybe its where Rakshas sacrifice their people
Title: Re: Episode 339
Post by: Aazealh on August 26, 2015, 04:57:21 PM
Here's a rough summary. Keep in mind it's likely to contain inaccuracies because the source material (Korean translation) is unreliable.

Rickert wonders what's going on as Silat and the Tapasa come forward. Silat tells him that as a reward for saving his life, he wants to ask him a question. Rickert has no time to be puzzled as Silat realizes that Rakshas is still a threat and throws two chakrams past Rickert and right into the rubble. Rakshas catches them effortlessly, and comments "you've become more skilled, rookie" before throwing them right back at Rickert. The Tapasa save the day, and Rakshas muses that they move quite well in coordinated attacks. They immediately jump at him but he catches their feet in his cloak, throwing them face first on the ground.

But they exclaim that they got him, and roll on themselves to hold him in place as Silat lunges in with his Katar. He strikes Rakshas right in the face and, pressing his weapon's mechanism, opens it up to slice the mask clean open. He wonders if he's dead, but notices that he's just been stabbed in the waist by Rakshas who's actually behind him. He strikes at him but Rakshas dodges the hits and retreats, commenting that his head isn't necessarily where it's supposed to be. As Rakshas cuts himself loose from their restraint, the Tapasa inquire about Silat, but he reassures them by saying he's wearing "it" (the Urumi) on his waist (otherwise the undoubtedly poisoned needle might have been the end of him).

Meanwhile, Rakshas is lamenting the loss of his mask, saying that he liked it and is saddened by the loss. He says he's not in the mood anymore and will go, and tells them to please wait a bit, as he'll come back with a new mask tonight, when the moon rises. Silat muses that it's odd how Rakshas still seems to care about their clan's taboo even though he was exiled because of his evilness. He quickly turns his attention back to Rickert however, wanting to resume their talk. But Rickert has a nagging feeling that he's seen him before, and suddenly realizes where and when he did, which leaves him speechless.

Silat mistakes his reaction and casually lets him know that he can ask him a little more violently if it necessary. Rickert tells him that he can tell them, but he doesn't have time to. Since Rakshas said he was coming back at night and since they probably want to hear his story in as much detail as possible, he makes them a proposition. Cut to Erika as she welcomes Rickert back with her newfound cat friends. She asks him how the forges were, and says that next time she'll come with him. She then freaks out upon seeing the Tapasa, telling him to watch out as ugly monsters are right behind him. Rickert tries to tell her they're human as the Tapasa themselves argue as to which one of the two she meant by that (She meant you! No, it must be you!). Alerted by the noise, Luka comes out, and immediately starts yelling for help and that monsters have invaded the city.

Daiba notices the guests from afar as Luka apologizes for taking them in through the back entrance, adding that it's necessary because everyone would be afraid of them. Rickert comments on whether they can really call themselves assassins since they're so easily detected by everyone, to which a Tapasa replies that he's rude (Luka seems perplex regarding the "assassin" part). Silat says they shouldn't bring attention to themselves, and tells his men to go hide in a stable. They do so relectantly, muttering that they're destined to live in the shadows. Daiba wonders: "ah, they are..."

Luka wonders the same and ask Rickert directly. He eludes the question, saying they're mercenaries that he hired. He then tells her that tonight, he's getting out of Falconia. As the Tapasa get to enjoy an evening in the hay, we see the girls' surprise as Rickert just told them an assassin tried to kill him. The two who'd tried to woo him last episode comment that it's not surprising: because Rickert attacked Griffith, he must be enraged... Rickert explains that the assassin definitely isn't human, and that it must be one of Griffith's demon soldiers. The girls aren't surprised, and suggest that maybe he could just go apologize to him. Rickert admits that he never expected Griffith would do such a thing... And then he thinks to himself: ...but the current Griffith...? But no, thinking back, he knows that Griffith was already a cold perfectionist back then, and that he just didn't show himself fully to them. He always had a dark side, otherwise... (implied: how could he have sacrificed them all otherwise)

Silat cuts his reverie short by saying that Rakshas, the demon warrior, will definitely come. That he's strangely tenacious like that. The girls get agitated, telling Erika that there's no time to waste then, they should hurry to pack up. Luka says Ok, since there's nothing else to do. But asks him if he's got a place to go. Because as they all know, ridiculous things are happening outside. She's not sure there exists a place when humans can live safely.

Silat responds: "There is. Before the Kushans attacked this holy land, a long time ago, we Bakiraka hid ourselves in an impregnable fortress and made a living as assassins for hundreds of years. All of the residents are warriors who train themselves day and night to develop lethal skills. Even goblins can't approach that place easily. The tyrant who hired us was destroyed, so we pondered on whether we should flock to the Falcon like other Kushans or not, but we don't want to serve an inhuman being again. Moreover, we were thinking to go back to our fortress. If the world was still fine, I would never let anybody who doesn't belong to our clan in that place, but this is a good chance for you."

Luka says that in that case, she has nothing more to say, and instructs the girls to bring all the preserved food they've stocked. Erika spontaneously goes to help. Luka then speaks to Rickert, telling him that as soon as he reached the city, fantastical things happened. Then she asks him once more: what will he do with that girl? She tells him that if he leaves her there, she'll take good care of her. But Rickert declines: "I'll take Erika with me. I'm not sure it's the right thing to do, but she's my family."

Luka tells him "Alright. Well, you'll be more careful then, because you'll have somebody to protect." And comments that these kinds of people tend to live unexpectedly long. She also tells the "Kushan lad" to protect them well. Rickert laughs to himself, and she asks him why. He says that a while ago... One of his friends left on a perillous journey for the same reason as he is, caring for a precious person. Although he's a very strong swordsman who can't be killed by anything, unlike him... And he concludes by saying that he's sure... because he's him... that he's definitely protecting her well, somewhere...

Meanwhile, Rakshas is looking over the city from the top of a statue with the full moon behind him.
Title: Re: Episode 339
Post by: Aazealh on August 26, 2015, 05:00:23 PM
But even if he hadn't, I'm sure he would have re-aligned himself with the eye holes by then. My earlier post was just using that as evidence to show he had been forced to move closer to the edge of his cloak rather than "wearing" it properly like every other time.

I really don't think that's how it works.

The panel after Silat stabbed the mask and it cracks is cool

The mask didn't crack, Silat split it in half by "opening" his Katar (notice the three blades).

I'm still hoping that Rakshas, as crazy as he is, pulls a Vader down the road and intervenes in the good fight.  Yea, not likely, but he's obviously holding back and I'm super excited to hear more about his past.

That really isn't very likely. Speaking of him holding back though, I was thinking it would be nice to have him fight a Silat & Serpico duo in the future. The Urumi and Sylph sword could prove to be a good match for him.

I can envision a scenario where Rickert, Silat and the Tapasa get cornered on their escape from Falconia, and Daiba rescues them with Garuda. That could immediately elucidate them on Daiba's new role. Otherwise, his former association with Ganishka would surely be a problem for Silat.

The thought has crossed my mind as well. I find this scenario as cool as it is plausible. :guts:

This is right after Rickert tell them about the sacrifices

Rickert does not tell them about the sacrifice. He's just thinking to himself.
Title: Re: Episode 339
Post by: Bender on August 26, 2015, 05:20:32 PM
Rakshas is the smoke monster from Lost  :rakshas:
Title: Re: Episode 339
Post by: Aazealh on August 26, 2015, 05:24:25 PM
Rakshas is the smoke monster from Lost  :rakshas:

:rickert:
Title: Re: Episode 339
Post by: Bender on August 26, 2015, 05:42:04 PM
:rickert:

Shadow Monster!  :iva:

But seriously, a cool episode.  The fight was so dynamic but the text at the bottom of that page is in a terrible place.  It took me a minute to figure out what happened there.  Someone was not paying attention when they decided to place that information right there.  I hope things work out for Rickert and Erika.  I think Rickert's skills will fit well with the Bakiraka.
Title: Re: Episode 339
Post by: Salem on August 26, 2015, 05:47:59 PM
(https://fbcdn-photos-c-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xpf1/v/t1.0-0/11947401_1467549623572409_1071520129211267357_n.jpg?efg=eyJpIjoidCJ9&oh=dbe56f942d02a3ff139438e6da3608f8&oe=566D4DC4&__gda__=1446342139_92aa588b26a382be3435e4d56de7d7ee)

Oh nooooooo
Title: Re: Episode 339
Post by: ApostleBob on August 26, 2015, 05:49:17 PM
Here's a rough summary. Keep in mind it's likely to contain inaccuracies because the source material (Korean translation) is unreliable.

Thanks Aaz!  This is great!
Title: Re: Episode 339
Post by: Aazealh on August 26, 2015, 06:13:58 PM
Shadow Monster!

He's more of a fabric monster, actually.

I hope things work out for Rickert and Erika.  I think Rickert's skills will fit well with the Bakiraka.

I agree. Even their escape from Falconia, which I suspect will be eventful, could be the occasion for him to show his worth as a engineer. Like, imagine if he fed oil instead of water to that device he renovated in episode 338. "Fire hose" indeed. :carcus:

I also have to say that I'm ecstatic with the way things have turned out. Having Rickert accompany Silat to the Bakiraka's stronghold will provide exactly what I've wanted to see since Fantasia came into existence: to see humans living on their own in the wilderness, far away from Griffith's false paradise.
Title: Re: Episode 339
Post by: Griffith on August 26, 2015, 06:16:43 PM
In one episide Rakshas has somehow managed to become exponentially more interesting. He was always cool and mercurial (moreso now), but there's also an element of tragic sadness there as well. Not just his identification with the mask and how it obviously relates to his body and desire for, literally, Griffith's "beautiful" head, but more Silat's comment about Rakshas still observing their customs despite being banished, which implies a longing I wouldn't have guessed before. Plus Rakshas referring to Silat as a rookie, meaning he was probably his senior at one time, perhaps even a mentor (after the mask bit I doubt he was just a low level wannabe like Wyald, though its still possible). Totally changes the context of their past interactions as well; however he may feel as an Apostle, it wasn't his idea to leave, and considering what's become of him, depending on the circumstances of his departure, we may find out he's as pitiable as he is irredeemable.

Also, on that last page he reminds me of Gray Fox. =)
Title: Re: Episode 339
Post by: Walter on August 26, 2015, 06:37:28 PM
Rakshas is the smoke monster from Lost  :rakshas:
Shadow Monster!  :iva:
*smoke monster image*

Not sure I see the connection, guys.
Title: Re: Episode 339
Post by: Bender on August 26, 2015, 07:31:10 PM
Not sure I see the connection, guys.

(http://i.imgur.com/8dxBDKr.jpg)

Just a joke. 
Title: Re: Episode 339
Post by: Walter on August 26, 2015, 07:42:56 PM
These Photoshops aren't changing my confusion. I don't see how Rakshas is comparable with that horrible thing.
Title: Re: Episode 339
Post by: Salem on August 26, 2015, 07:49:27 PM
Rakshas fluid movement in his cloak comes off like air/smoke.  I can see the connection, but it was a joke.  Just not as much of a joke as lost.   :iva:
Title: Re: Episode 339
Post by: ApostleBob on August 26, 2015, 07:49:31 PM
He's more of a fabric monster, actually.

A laundry monster.
Title: Re: Episode 339
Post by: Devilwoman on August 26, 2015, 08:03:49 PM
What an interesting episode, I'm intrigued by Rakshas now more than ever.
Such an intense fight too, I love how Miura thinks action. So Rickert is leaving Falconia with Erika, and they're going to take shelter in the forteress. That's unexpected, but It would be interesting to see a new location.

Thanks Aazealh for the summary.
Title: Re: Episode 339
Post by: Griffith on August 26, 2015, 08:47:34 PM
More random thoughts: If attitude and body language count for anything, Silat and Guts are more alike than they might think. He should tell Rickert not to thank him before dawn. =)

Also, NEW MASK GUYS! Any ideas? I'm assuming it will be new yet similar to the last, and if he's already wearing it in that shot possibly sleeker and less toothy than the last (of course those details could just be obscured).
Title: Re: Episode 339
Post by: Crocodile on August 26, 2015, 08:58:24 PM
If he's wearing anything other than the mask from "Scream", I'll be disappointed.
Title: Re: Episode 339
Post by: Bender on August 26, 2015, 10:00:00 PM
Rakshas fluid movement in his cloak comes off like air/smoke.  I can see the connection, but it was a joke.  Just not as much of a joke as lost.   :iva:

Kills people.  Makes weird noises.

A laundry monster.

 :ganishka:
Title: Re: Episode 339
Post by: Mangetsu on August 26, 2015, 10:56:05 PM
Fantastic Episode.  :ubik:

Rickert going along with Silat and the Bakiraka to their homeland is surely welcomed, especially from a world building aspect. Can't wait to see more of Fantasia.

Rakshas face reveal was great, often reveals like that can be very disappointing as someone would expect something big behind those masks. It being nothing topped my expectations though   :puck: Unpredictable.

The battle between Rakshas and the Bakiraka was very well choreographed, i enjoyed the use of angle in some panels.

I really like the parallel between Rickert & Guts, it adds a nice layer to his character.  :void:

Next episode will be insane, Rakshas is going on a hunt  :rakshas:
Title: Re: Episode 339
Post by: JMP on August 26, 2015, 10:58:34 PM
Thanks for writing up that summary, Aazealh!  :guts:

Man, I'm excited to see the Bakiraka's hideout. It should be interesting seeing their escape from Falconia, what with Rakshas out on the prowl now.  :magni:

I think Rickert's skills will fit well with the Bakiraka.
I think so, too. Genius inventor joins up with powerful warrior clan, some awesome stuff is bound to happen!  :ubik:

Also, NEW MASK GUYS! Any ideas? I'm assuming it will be new yet similar to the last, and if he's already wearing it in that shot possibly sleeker and less toothy than the last (of course those details could just be obscured).
Aw, I think I'd be as sad as Rakshas was to see the old one go. I've come to associate it with him so much. I hope he just made a new one of the same, to tell you the truth!  :rakshas:

Title: Re: Episode 339
Post by: Delta Phi on August 26, 2015, 11:34:14 PM
I think I'm just as sad as Rakshas that his mask is broken. This was a surreal episode. I never anticipated Rakshas to have ALL these tricks up his cloak. I'm almost starting to wonder if he isn't always in his apostle form. The more we see of him, the more questions I have.

Thanks for the link, Raffo! And thanks for the summary, Aaz!
Title: Re: Episode 339
Post by: Griffith on August 27, 2015, 12:05:49 AM
Aw, I think I'd be as sad as Rakshas was to see the old one go. I've come to associate it with him so much. I hope he just made a new one of the same, to tell you the truth!  :rakshas:

Well, it doesn't have to be dramatically different, just a subtle redesign that's still consistent and identifiable with the character, like Grunbeld's new armor:

(http://www.skullknight.net/griffith/grunbeld2.0.jpg)

Which is almost too on the nose. Anyway, something like this:

(http://www.skullknight.net/griffith/rakshasconcept.jpg)

See, different, but still Rakshas. Or if he really wants to be scary:

(http://www.skullknight.net/griffith/rakshasjason.jpg)

I never anticipated Rakshas to have ALL these tricks up his cloak. I'm almost starting to wonder if he isn't always in his apostle form.

Yeah, it is somewhat reminiscent of Ganishka, except even he had a dramatic transformation, we just didn't know it was his Apostle transformation at the time. Perhaps Rakshas' "new mask" he's going to show them is also metaphor for a more dramatic change. :rakshas:
Title: Re: Episode 339
Post by: Grail on August 27, 2015, 01:04:26 AM
Thank you Aaz for the summary!

It almost feels like a mistake to get new episodes two months in a row! My heart can't take the excitement! :ganishka:

But really, what a ride. Some folks have already touched on this point, but I think Miura truly shows off his ability to defy convention in this episode. Even though we were all expecting a pretty big fight, the result was much more subtle and fun to watch as it "unraveled." :rakshas: Not only that, but Rakshas's reveal was a surprise in that, in fact, it wasn't really a reveal at all! Hiding in plain sight, indeed.

On top of all that, getting to see Tapasa acting goofy was unexpectedly fun, since I think they'd always been portrayed pretty seriously before, despite their pretty extreme appearances.

And how about that Bakiraka fortress that Silat mentioned? That seems like a big reveal that I hadn't anticipated. I'm really excited at the possibility of seeing how the Bakiraka live in their own homeland. I just hope it isn't too long of a trip... and that they don't need a boat to get there! :slan:
Title: Re: Episode 339
Post by: Lono on August 27, 2015, 01:11:46 AM
The mask didn't crack, Silat split it in half by "opening" his Katar (notice the three blades).

So he upgraded his katars. I took a closer look at the handle of the Urimi and its also different. It's probably just the design but maybe we'll see something new with those too.
Title: Re: Episode 339
Post by: Walter on August 27, 2015, 01:27:32 AM

They immediately jump at him but he catches their feet in his cloak, throwing them face first on the ground. But they exclaim that they got him, and roll on themselves to hold him in place

The Tapasa's super-quick improvisational counter manuever was so cool to see in this episode, and of course it created an immediate opening for Silat. In the course of this one skirmish, they managed to get the upper-hand on Rakshas twice (column crush + face stab), and both of those successes were the result of coordination.

She then freaks out upon seeing the Tapasa, telling him to watch out as ugly monsters are right behind him. Rickert tries to tell her they're human as the Tapasa themselves argue as to which one of the two she meant by that (She meant you! No, it must be you!)

Was cackling reading this section, on top of the laughs I already got from the visuals. It's actually a pretty clever joke -- that they can easily distinguish themselves, but to everyone else, they look like twin monsters.

"Before the Kushans attacked this holy land, a long time ago, we Bakiraka hid ourselves in an impregnable fortress and made a living as assassins for hundreds of years. All of the residents are warriors who train themselves day and night to develop lethal skills. Even goblins can't approach that place easily. The tyrant who hired us was destroyed, so we pondered on whether we should flock to the Falcon like other Kushans or not, but we don't want to serve an inhuman being again. Moreover, we were thinking to go back to our fortress. If the world was still fine, I would never let anybody who doesn't belong to our clan in that place, but this is a good chance for you."

I'll admit, I wasn't very excited about Rickert going with the Bakiraka over Falconia, because I think he's a more valuable witness for the events within Falconia than in the outside world. But this convinced me otherwise. Chills as I read this part. I never thought we'd see something like this -- not just their new fort or whatever, but the Bakiraka's _actual_ encampment all these years.I really never expected Miura to lift that veil, but here it comes!

Also, NEW MASK GUYS! Any ideas?

He hasn't had time to rig up something proper, so he'll probably take whatever he can get his hands on around the city. So, probably a falcon.  :iva:

In one episode Rakshas has somehow managed to become exponentially more interesting. He was always cool and mercurial (moreso now), but there's also an element of tragic sadness there as well. Not just his identification with the mask and how it obviously relates to his body and desire for, literally, Griffith's "beautiful" head, but more Silat's comment about Rakshas still observing their customs despite being banished, which implies a longing I wouldn't have guessed before.

Yep, it's a smorgasbord of development for our Kushan characters. Now all we need is for Daiba to explain how his eyes got so creepy in the next episode :daiba:

Plus Rakshas referring to Silat as a rookie, meaning he was probably his senior at one time, perhaps even a mentor

I had that same reaction, but as Aaz pointed out to me, it could just be something similar to Zodd's "you've improved, boy!" We'll know more when the Japanese text emerges.

I'm really excited at the possibility of seeing how the Bakiraka live in their own homeland. I just hope it isn't too long of a trip... and that they don't need a boat to get there! :slan:

Same, but to clarify, they were exiled from their actual homeland centuries ago (told in Vol 22). What Silat is talking about is their makeshift encampment that they've called home all these years since then. And since the group worked for multiple countries, probably somewhere on the outskirts of them all, probably NOT very close, I'd wager.
Title: Re: Episode 339
Post by: puella on August 27, 2015, 08:38:06 AM
The gag with the Tapasa made my day! How could we have ever expected them to be so funny?
The scene with the two of them crouching in the stable is my favorite in this episode.
Maybe Daiba will get to talk to them in the next episode?
I can't still believe we'll have new episodes every month!  :guts:
Title: Re: Episode 339
Post by: luizao on August 27, 2015, 10:21:45 AM
Thanks Aaz for the summary. I'm not sure if I want to leave Falconia episodes now, it's so interesting the future of the new potential group (Bakarika+Rickert) and if they'll cross their paths with Guts and company :ubik:.
Title: Re: Episode 339
Post by: asic on August 27, 2015, 12:32:48 PM
Quote
Before the Kushans attacked this holy land, a long time ago, we Bakiraka hid ourselves in an impregnable fortress and made a living as assassins for hundreds of years.

Several people have mentioned that the fortress is in Silat's homeland. But from Azzeahls "rough" translation it could also be somewhere in Midland.  The journey to Kushan territory sounds like it would take quite a while but also remove all the characters "good guys" from the country and therefor our inside view in Falconia. Either way I cannot wait to see this new location and what evil now probably resides in it.

Perhaps this is the perfect segway into Elfhelm once they leave Falconia. Next time we see Falconia, will all the residents be gone? Perhaps in the bellies of the less human looking residents  :griffnotevil:
Title: Re: Episode 339
Post by: Squiddot on August 27, 2015, 02:21:36 PM
Great work on the translation Aaz. And it's good to hear Erica is still going to be heading off with Rickert despite the very real threat of apostles on their heels. It doesn't seem like Luca and her girls are going to be heading along which is a shame, but I can see their hand being forced into accompanying them with whatever Rakshas is cooking up.

And speaking of Luca, she's on a roll! Just like last episode, she has some wise words that have a lot of weight in their own context, but also have so much significance to the main themes developing in the story, She is of course living proof that "people who have somebody to protect tend to live unexpectedly long" after her adventure through Albion. And that line just gives me the faintest hope that Rickert, Guts and everybody else out there fighting for the betterment of others are gonna be alright. Of course, we can't be too optimistic.

Please Miura, give us more Erica/Tapasa comedy
Title: Re: Episode 339
Post by: Walter on August 27, 2015, 03:30:53 PM
Looking over the episode again, it's so tantalizing that every major character in Luca's place has some connection to Guts (Luca, Rickert, Daiba and Silat), and he even comes up indirectly in talks here, but none of them have made the connection yet. When it happens, it's going to be "wow, why didn't you mention that earlier?"
Title: Re: Episode 339
Post by: Constantly_Shaved on August 27, 2015, 03:52:20 PM
Given how the Episode ended , is it safe to say that we get a transition to Guts & Co. next Ep. ?   :???:
Title: Re: Episode 339
Post by: Walter on August 27, 2015, 03:55:11 PM
Given how the Episode ended , is it safe to say that we get a transition to Guts & Co. next Ep. ?   :???:

With Rakshas lurking on a statue intent on a rematch? No...?
Title: Re: Episode 339
Post by: Constantly_Shaved on August 27, 2015, 07:32:58 PM
I dont think that the so-called "rematch" will take up the entire Episode. I imagine there will be a little encounter with Rakshas but Rickert & Friends will escape on Daibasīs Pterodactyl before Rakshas manages to harm any of them. Or I could be completely wrong and Miura goes ahead and gives us the long awaited Apostle form of Rakshas , either way I will be having wet dreams until next month.  :guts:

Title: Re: Episode 339
Post by: Walter on August 27, 2015, 07:35:16 PM
I dont think that the so-called "rematch" will take up the entire Episode.

Miura doesn't regularly change perspectives like that on the fly, mid-episode. When it happens, it'll more than likely be between episodes. And it doesn't make sense for it to be now, with that ball still up in the air.

I imagine there will be a little encounter with Rakshas but Rickert & Friends will escape on Daibasīs Pterodactyl* before Rakshas manages to harm any of them

*Garuda, and yep. Mentioned that possibility back on Page 2 (http://www.skullknight.net/forum/index.php?topic=14753.msg236446#msg236446).
Title: Re: Episode 339
Post by: Aazealh on August 27, 2015, 08:10:51 PM
Also, NEW MASK GUYS! Any ideas? I'm assuming it will be new yet similar to the last, and if he's already wearing it in that shot possibly sleeker and less toothy than the last (of course those details could just be obscured).

I'm guessing it won't be too much of a departure. That last panel makes me wonder whether he's wearing the new mask yet though, because of the shape of his head. Could also just be a stylistic choice.

Man, I'm excited to see the Bakiraka's hideout. It should be interesting seeing their escape from Falconia, what with Rakshas out on the prowl now.

Yeah, their escape will certainly prove interesting. Like I said before I expect Rickert will be able to show off some of his gear, and I really wouldn't be surprised if Daiba came to the rescue (http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=pBDVarvFqYI#t=27) with his Garuda.

But I'm thinking there could also be more. With the previous episode, we thought that barring an escape, an overwhelming force (like Griffith) might have to intervene to stop Rakshas, even though that felt pretty unlikely. That didn't account for his quirkiness, which bought them some time. But I'm wondering if he might not still prove to be too formidable for them to even escape now. And given this episode's title, I'm also wondering if the "boy under the moonlight" won't be making an appearance... Now this is some pretty shaky ground, and he doesn't really have a reason to intervene in the first place (he usually only does to save mom and pops), but the similarity between episodes titles feels like too much of a coincidence to me, and I'm kind of expecting the next one to be "The capital city under the moonlight (2)".

I think I'm just as sad as Rakshas that his mask is broken. This was a surreal episode. I never anticipated Rakshas to have ALL these tricks up his cloak. I'm almost starting to wonder if he isn't always in his apostle form. The more we see of him, the more questions I have.

Oh, I'm sure he's got even more tricks up his very long sleeve. :rakshas:

So he upgraded his katars. I took a closer look at the handle of the Urimi and its also different. It's probably just the design but maybe we'll see something new with those too.

Well Guts cut through the ones he had in volume 9, remember? I would wager that he's had these since then. Same thing for his attire, it's been consistent since volume 18. I don't think much can be derived from what little we can see of the Urumi though (but we also know they're different ones because he left the others after his defeat against Guts).

The Tapasa's super-quick improvisational counter manuever was so cool to see in this episode, and of course it created an immediate opening for Silat. In the course of this one skirmish, they managed to get the upper-hand on Rakshas twice (column crush + face stab), and both of those successes were the result of coordination.

I am such a fan of Silat, the Tapasa, and the Bakiraka as a whole. They're seriously cool enough that they could even have their own series.

I'll admit, I wasn't very excited about Rickert going with the Bakiraka over Falconia, because I think he's a more valuable witness for the events within Falconia than in the outside world. But this convinced me otherwise.

Well we actually got the best of both worlds! Rickert and Erika's mad dash towards Falconia as refugees fleeing a hostile world, their discovery of Falconia and meeting with the others, Rickert's experience with the castle, him witnessing the ceremony with the dead and the apostles' lair, and then the meeting with Griffith and the dramatic slap. And THEN Rakshas tries to assassinate him, he's rescued by the Bakiraka and escapes from the city. All of that in what, a single volume? To think some people complain about the pacing...

By the way, note that we didn't get an answer regarding whether Griffith sent Rakshas or not.

He hasn't had time to rig up something proper, so he'll probably take whatever he can get his hands on around the city. So, probably a falcon.  :iva:

I was actually thinking he might have a collection of masks. He strikes me as the kind that just might be into that. :rakshas:

I had that same reaction, but as Aaz pointed out to me, it could just be something similar to Zodd's "you've improved, boy!"

Yeah, he's definitely saying this as in "I'm top of my league and you're just a novice."

Same, but to clarify, they were exiled from their actual homeland centuries ago (told in Vol 22). What Silat is talking about is their makeshift encampment that they've called home all these years since then. And since the group worked for multiple countries, probably somewhere on the outskirts of them all, probably NOT very close, I'd wager.

Might get there relatively fast if they're flying, though. :slan: Although I imagine they probably have a group of people waiting for them nearby and didn't come to Falconia just by themselves.

Several people have mentioned that the fortress is in Silat's homeland. But from Azzeahls "rough" translation it could also be somewhere in Midland.

We don't know exactly where their hideout is situated, however since they were exiled from the Kushan empire, it clearly isn't there.

The journey to Kushan territory sounds like it would take quite a while but also remove all the characters "good guys" from the country and therefor our inside view in Falconia.

Luka and her girls don't plan on leaving Falconia.

Either way I cannot wait to see this new location and what evil now probably resides in it.

I doubt the Bakiraka completely abandoned it. It's probably safe.

Next time we see Falconia, will all the residents be gone? Perhaps in the bellies of the less human looking residents  :griffnotevil:

...Nah.
Title: Re: Episode 339
Post by: ryOtoha on August 27, 2015, 09:25:11 PM
He hasn't had time to rig up something proper, so he'll probably take whatever he can get his hands on around the city. So, probably a falcon.

Agreed, he wouldn't be so sad if he had a whole collection of masks. It doesn't really make any sense anyway.

(https://imageshack.com/i/idNXlp3Qp)
From that gloomy close-up on the mask, do you guys think the new mask have others elements and forms on it or is it totally slick without teeth like Griffith said ? Oh man,I really love the theatrical sense of this episode.

With this dramatic and theatrical setting, it would be cool if Rakshas could wear some kind of tragic comic mask or a kid's mask stolen from the marketplace  :void:

Silat muses that it's odd how Rakshas still seems to care about their clan's taboo even though he was exiled because of his evilness.

What do you mean by ''their clan's taboo'' ?

Silat responds: "There is. Before the Kushans attacked this holy land, a long time ago, we Bakiraka hid ourselves in an impregnable fortress and made a living as assassins for hundreds of years. All of the residents are warriors who train themselves day and night to develop lethal skills. Even goblins can't approach that place easily. The tyrant who hired us was destroyed, so we pondered on whether we should flock to the Falcon like other Kushans or not, but we don't want to serve an inhuman being again. Moreover, we were thinking to go back to our fortress. If the world was still fine, I would never let anybody who doesn't belong to our clan in that place, but this is a good chance for you."

That's exciting. So Rickert would have some kind of ceremony to join the clan in order to enter this fortress ?


 
Title: Re: Episode 339
Post by: JMP on August 27, 2015, 10:44:28 PM
Well, it doesn't have to be dramatically different, just a subtle redesign that's still consistent and identifiable with the character...
Yeah, I guess I could handle a little change as long as it wasn't too drastic.  :slan: It could be fun to see a redesign and if it does turn out to be different from his old one I'm sure whatever Miura comes up with will be pretty cool anyway.

I'd sure like to know what Rakshas did in between his exit from the ruins and reappearance on top of the statue. I wonder what he did with the old, broken mask. I can't see him just chucking it in the rubbish heap. I could see him burying it or burning it, like a little funeral. Or maybe he was able to use the pieces of it somehow in fashioning the new one.

Yeah, their escape will certainly prove interesting. Like I said before I expect Rickert will be able to show off some of his gear...
I definitely liked that fire hose idea you had mentioned! That would be pretty sweet.

...and I really wouldn't be surprised if Daiba came to the rescue (http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=pBDVarvFqYI#t=27) with his Garuda.
Daiba's got the dreds to go along with that!  :ganishka:
I think Daiba would do what he could, especially to rescue Erika, who he's developed fondness for. :daiba:

So Rickert would have some kind of ceremony to join the clan in order to enter this fortress ?
Huh, that would be kinda neat actually.  :guts: I didn't take what Silat said that way, though. I didn't think he meant Rickert would have to join the clan, but just that he would be willing to take Rickert to the Bakiraka stronghold because the world was now so messed up that there wasn't anywhere else for them to go.
Title: Re: Episode 339
Post by: SpaceyLauss on August 27, 2015, 11:21:25 PM
Thanks so much for posting the link, RaffoBaffo. And Aaz, thank YOU so much for posting the summary! What a glorious day yesterday turned out to be.

I'm super excited to see the escape from Falconia, but even more so for what the future holds for Rickert! I have been hoping he'd encounter the Bakiraka ever since we learned about the infiltration back in episode 336. I feel like Rickert can learn a lot from them, both as an inventor and as a smith, since they have such unique weaponry.
Title: Re: Episode 339
Post by: ryOtoha on August 28, 2015, 12:39:37 AM
I didn't take what Silat said that way, though. I didn't think he meant Rickert would have to join the clan, but just that he would be willing to take Rickert to the Bakiraka stronghold because the world was now so messed up that there wasn't anywhere else for them to go.

I know what you mean bu even with Silat'statement, i imagine Rickert may be ask to prove himself in way to the clan, to those fierce warriors who ''gained'' their place in that stronghold. And that's maybe how he would use his set of skills :serpico:

The gag with the Tapasa made my day! How could we have ever expected them to be so funny?
The scene with the two of them crouching in the stable is my favorite in this episode.

That was unexpected and refreshing :ubik:
Title: Re: Episode 339
Post by: Walter on August 28, 2015, 01:32:02 AM
I'd sure like to know what Rakshas did in between his exit from the ruins and reappearance on top of the statue. I wonder what he did with the old, broken mask. I can't see him just chucking it in the rubbish heap. I could see him burying it or burning it, like a little funeral. Or maybe he was able to use the pieces of it somehow in fashioning the new one.

Regarding Rakshas' mask, one thing I just realized when revisiting his his first appearance in Shet, the Tapasa recognize it ("That mask... You're Rakshas!"). So that mask was something he must have had for many years, perhaps even when he was still a human.
Title: Re: Episode 339
Post by: JMP on August 28, 2015, 02:20:47 AM
I know what you mean bu even with Silat'statement, i imagine Rickert may be ask to prove himself in way to the clan, to those fierce warriors who ''gained'' their place in that stronghold. And that's maybe how he would use his set of skills :serpico:
I think seeing what Rickert and his ingenuity are capable of will definitely aid him in being accepted by the Bakiraka and I think they'll be getting a sample of that in short order.  :slan:

Regarding Rakshas' mask, one thing I just realized when revisiting his his first appearance in Shet, the Tapasa recognize it ("That mask... You're Rakshas!"). So that mask was something he must have had for many years, perhaps even when he was still a human.
Oh, good catch! Man, no wonder Rakshas was so upset. I'm sure it was a very meaningful thing to him, as I think rage-al mentioned earlier, probably like an anchor in a way for his identity.
Title: Re: Episode 339
Post by: N7Paladin on August 28, 2015, 03:27:34 AM
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Even goblins can't approach that place easily.

Sorry if I'm missing something, but Goblins?

Are they new because of Fantasia, or have I overlooked something?

Guess I'll be digging through my volumes for the rest of the night!  :serpico:
Title: Re: Episode 339
Post by: Griffith on August 28, 2015, 05:05:30 AM
Regarding Rakshas' mask, one thing I just realized when revisiting his his first appearance in Shet, the Tapasa recognize it ("That mask... You're Rakshas!"). So that mask was something he must have had for many years, perhaps even when he was still a human.
Oh, good catch! Man, no wonder Rakshas was so upset. I'm sure it was a very meaningful thing to him, as I think rage-al mentioned earlier, probably like an anchor in a way for his identity.

Yeah, great find, and makes the whole thing even more poignant. Who would have thought that Rakshas, of all Apostles, would hold on to and care so much for a token of his humanity (even if it likely doesn't have such an innocent history). I guess he'd have the most need to, but we didn't know that because this is also the first time he's ever expressed himself so candidly with anybody, let alone about himself and how he feels. All this time he's been the sad clown. :rakshas:

Sorry if I'm missing something, but Goblins?

Are they new because of Fantasia, or have I overlooked something?

Guess I'll be digging through my volumes for the rest of the night!  :serpico:

Well, the creature we see hiding in the tree at the beginning of volume 22 resembles a goblin, but the "goblins" Silat refers to may have a more specific cultural meaning in Kushan folklore like an imp, devil or bogeyman. It could also be something is lost in the translation here (goblin could also be a synonym for a ghoul (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ghoul) of Arab mythology). In any case I think it's just an expression boiling down to, "even demons/monsters can't get in there," not a specific example of "real" creature, like the Daka for example. Of course, I'm sure they're around now, so ghouls and goblins may actually be a problem! BTW, the wiki entry for goblins (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goblin) is hilarious:

Grouping   dwarf
Country   Northwestern Europe, Scandinavia, British Isles, United States
Habitat   Caves, woodland

I had no idea the United States fell into the distribution range for goblins! :ganishka:
Title: Re: Episode 339
Post by: Lithrael on August 28, 2015, 12:10:51 PM
("That mask... You're Rakshas!"). So that mask was something he must have had for many years, perhaps even when he was still a human.

I think the mask's design was meant to represent that someone tried to execute him.  What's now his center eye as a killing blow and the two drops, mortal blood.  If he had that mask before, I think it would be missing the drops at least. 

(While I'm at it, my other wild-ass-apostle-theory is that Irvine's sacrifice was his hunting dog.)

With this dramatic and theatrical setting, it would be cool if Rakshas could wear some kind of tragic comic mask or a kid's mask stolen from the marketplace  :void:

It's a coconut.  That's how you know if he's following you.  Clip clop.  Clip clop.  Where's it coming from?!?!  CLIP CLOP!!    :rakshas:
Title: Re: Episode 339
Post by: Griffith on August 28, 2015, 02:40:20 PM
I think the mask's design was meant to represent that someone tried to execute him.  What's now his center eye as a killing blow and the two drops, mortal blood.  If he had that mask before, I think it would be missing the drops at least.

Damn, going DEEP! Those drops could also be like a teardrop tattoo with all their meaning, but, you know, coming from his third eye so it looks weird... I like your idea better, though. =)

Unfortunately, there's not a lot of direct evidence about the potential symbolism involved, besides Rakshas literally having a third or inner eye, which, in addition to the obvious cultural significance, most likely represents otherworldly sight or perception (rather than, say, enlightenment or benevolence).

(While I'm at it, my other wild-ass-apostle-theory is that Irvine's sacrifice was his hunting dog.)

Rakshas actually has me thinking of him as well; Griffith's Apostle lieutenants are all a bunch of sensitive poets at heart! :ganishka:
Title: Re: Episode 339
Post by: Aazealh on August 28, 2015, 02:51:50 PM
Agreed, he wouldn't be so sad if he had a whole collection of masks. It doesn't really make any sense anyway.
Man, no wonder Rakshas was so upset. I'm sure it was a very meaningful thing to him, as I think rage-al mentioned earlier, probably like an anchor in a way for his identity.

I think people should maybe not make too much of a deal of his grief over the mask. It gives us a window into his personality, but I feel that it feeds into his character's quirkiness more than anything. Like what he told Griffith when he pledged himself to him.

Let's not forget what he is: an apostle that's basically toying with his prey, having warned hem in advance that he would hunt them down. In that fight, the Bakiraka had managed to catch him by surprise and then kept the upper hand. Now he's reversed the situation: he's back in the role of the hunter, not the hunted. And he's got a new mask.

From that gloomy close-up on the mask, do you guys think the new mask have others elements and forms on it or is it totally slick without teeth like Griffith said ?

I highly doubt the mask will be completely featureless. That would defeat its purpose.

What do you mean by ''their clan's taboo'' ?

Read the disclaimer at the beginning of the summary. And then maybe use your imagination?

So Rickert would have some kind of ceremony to join the clan in order to enter this fortress ?

No? JMP got it right.

I feel like Rickert can learn a lot from them, both as an inventor and as a smith, since they have such unique weaponry.

Just imagine what cool devices he might come up with based on their stuff! :ubik:

Regarding Rakshas' mask, one thing I just realized when revisiting his his first appearance in Shet, the Tapasa recognize it ("That mask... You're Rakshas!"). So that mask was something he must have had for many years, perhaps even when he was still a human.

Great point, although I would tamper it by saying that they may have simply recognized him because he was wearing that kind of mask, and not that one mask specifically.

Sorry if I'm missing something, but Goblins?

Please read the disclaimer at the beginning of the summary. Also, in this case it means any type of small monster, like the ones we saw in the Qliphoth. :schnoz:

Are they new because of Fantasia, or have I overlooked something?

Well yes, in this case Silat is obviously referring to the new state of the world, saying the place is so impregnable that even in Fantasia, it would be safe. And on the topic of goblins, when Fantasia came to be, we actually saw a group of pretty typical goblins in a panel (volume 34, episode 306, page 8). But really, don't think too much on this one line, it doesn't mean much.

(While I'm at it, my other wild-ass-apostle-theory is that Irvine's sacrifice was his hunting dog.)

Like Niko, you mean? :carcus: I don't know, I feel that Irvine's solitude must be a reflection of him having cast out his link to mankind in a way, and that makes me think he sacrificed people precious to him.
Title: Re: Episode 339
Post by: Griffith on August 28, 2015, 03:48:14 PM
I think people should maybe not make too much of a deal of his grief over the mask. It gives us a window into his personality, but I feel that it feeds into his character's quirkiness more than anything. Like what he told Griffith when he pledged himself to him.

Let's not forget what he is: an apostle that's basically toying with his prey, having warned hem in advance that he would hunt them down.

Yeah, it definitely adds to his mercurial nature, but it was shocking seeing him, or any Apostle, slink off like that, especially since he previously seemed so callous and cold-blooded. Conversely, just calling time out and casually walking away like that on his own terms also shows a sort of contempt for the whole fight; to him it's still just a game he's choosing to play, or not. Silat seems to understand best that he's not so discouraged as he might have acted. "Strangely tenacious" indeed.

Read the disclaimer at the beginning of the summary. And then maybe use your imagination?

A truly dangerous request, "They have strict rules governing sexuality?" :ganishka:

Just imagine what cool devices he might come up with based on their stuff! :ubik:

I did: Katars with blades that also fire as projectiles. :daiba:

Great point, although I would tamper it by saying that they may have simply recognized him because he was wearing that kind of mask, and not that one mask specifically.

Yeah, that wouldn't be so different from the typical Apostle wardrobe.

Like Niko, you mean? :carcus: I don't know, I feel that Irvine's solitude must be a reflection of him having cast out his link to mankind in a way, and that makes me think he sacrificed people precious to him.

He probably sacrificed his personal diary of deep forest thoughts, or his copy of Walden, and his favorite lute. :iva: Not to say these guys will be pushovers but Guts could probably cut them down with his words, let alone the Dragon Slayer. :guts:
Title: Re: Episode 339
Post by: Aazealh on August 28, 2015, 06:12:03 PM
Conversely, just calling time out and casually walking away like that on his own terms also shows a sort of contempt for the whole fight; to him it's still just a game he's choosing to play, or not.

Yep, exactly.

And they were all too happy to let him go, too. It shows how clear it is to all parties involved that he's the one in control.

I did: Katars with blades that also fire as projectiles. :daiba:

Hahaha not bad, not bad at all!

He probably sacrificed his personal diary of deep forest thoughts, or his copy of Walden, and his favorite lute. :iva: Not to say these guys will be pushovers but Guts will probably cut them down with his words, let alone the Dragon Slayer. :guts:

I am eagerly waiting for him to give Locus a piece of his mind. I can already feel the "Moonlight Knight's" outrage across all those years in the future.
Title: Re: Episode 339
Post by: Griffith on August 28, 2015, 08:32:16 PM
Hahaha not bad, not bad at all!

Thank you! Likewise, he'll probably just suggest adding a hidden cannon to everything they show him, "You know what would make that better...?" "We know, we know!" :ganishka:

I am eagerly waiting for him to give Locus a piece of his mind. I can already feel the "Moonlight Knight's" outrage across all those years in the future.

Agreed, and I think there's a 100% chance the term "scrap metal" will be involved. :guts:
Title: Re: Episode 339
Post by: Aazealh on August 29, 2015, 08:10:59 AM
Miura's comment, provided by IncantatioN and translated by puella:

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From my new workplace, we can see Comiket. "Swarms of people..." (⬛ Д ⬛)
Title: Re: Episode 339
Post by: Skeleton on August 29, 2015, 09:03:20 AM
Miura's comment, provided by IncantatioN and translated by puella:

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From my new workplace, we can see Comiket. "Swarms of people..." (⬛ Д ⬛)

That's so cool!  Can you imagine you just happen to look up/over and see Miura and his assistants looking at you?    :guts:
Title: Re: Episode 339
Post by: Griffith on August 29, 2015, 04:59:24 PM
That's so cool!  Can you imagine you just happen to look up/over and see Miura and his assistants looking at you?    :guts:

(http://www.skullknight.net/griffith/miuraandfriends.jpg)
Title: Re: Episode 339
Post by: Judo on August 29, 2015, 09:43:14 PM

Another great episode, there... Rickert(and maybe Daiba) going with Silat to the secret hideout of the Bakiraka... this opens up so many new exciting possibilities.

The dimwits that complain about the pacing most likely confuse the release schedule with plot progression.
I myself consider it a great expierience to be able to follow a multi-layered, epic tale like this and see it unfold over the years.
Title: Re: Episode 339
Post by: Sarcomere on August 30, 2015, 01:51:35 PM
I did: Katars with blades that also fire as projectiles. :daiba:

Or maybe a repeating crossbow that fires chakrams instead of arrows.

There was also that Bakiraka woman back in episode 58 who used some sort of explosive/combustible down in the tunnels. That combined with Rickert's experience crafting explosives could make for some pretty devastating weapons, maybe even enough to knock out some weaker apostles. :beast:
Title: Re: Episode 339
Post by: JMP on August 30, 2015, 03:02:33 PM
Comiket sounds like quite the big event! http://en.japantravel.com/view/going-to-comiket (http://en.japantravel.com/view/going-to-comiket)
Title: Re: Episode 339
Post by: Vixen Comics on September 01, 2015, 12:21:53 AM
wow, in just a few episodes Rickert has bounced himself right into the thick of things, when I had thought he would stay in the background. I really appreciate the conviction Miura has given Rickert to honor his fallen comrades and call Giffith out on what he did. (Did Griffith actually genuinely think that Rickert would have accepted his offer?! The fact that he seemed just a touch saddened/affected by his rejection is the most interesting thing of all.) I never thought that Rickert would just say "what the helll...I guess I'll join your new band of the hawk..." but there was always the fear that he might. I love the quite integrity Miura has given Rickert. I am glad  he is going to  with Silat, I have become such a fan of Silat over the years and his performance in his episode wowed me.  I cannot wait to see how Rickert and Silat are going to mesh together.

Rakshas has not been my favorite apostle, since I thought the other Neo Falcons have been a lot more interesting. Basically i have found him weird in a mildly off putting kind of way but my opinion has definitely changed  over the course of this episode. Oh my goodness, I have imagined what he must look like under his mask but to be basically faceless took me by pleasant surprise. I had the impression that he was perhaps born disfigured or something or had at least suffered some kind of facial injury that held over after he became an apostle. I can't wait to see what he comes up with for a new mask.

I guess I could not have picked a better time to get into Berserk, since a lot of story-lines that have been building for years seems like they are  at the point of being revealed. I may be proven wrong in the next episode, but I am in the camp that believes that Griffith did not order this attack on Rickert and that Rakshas is acting on his own.
Title: Re: Episode 339
Post by: Rezin on September 02, 2015, 10:50:45 PM
Fantastic episode. Very interested in how the escape from Falconia will work out, and seeing what Rakshas' new mask looks like.
Something grabbed my attention in regards to his old mask though.
Here's a shot of it from this episode prior to Silat cutting it in half.
http://i.imgur.com/Cq5ri8x.png
Notice the two familiar black droplet shapes.
Now the detailed close up of it being split in half. No droplets.
http://i.imgur.com/nFfkVui.png

Sure we could assume a chunk of the mask broke off, but it would be a pretty big one all things considered.
http://i.imgur.com/RqsFuIK.png
And when we see them again, the two halves look relatively evenly split.
http://i.imgur.com/uM4ilEt.png
http://i.imgur.com/JaBJwXA.png

Normally I'd say the droplets were left out because there wasn't enough room for detail or the figure was far away, but they are absent from scenes where the mask is either in full clear view or at a distance where they would be somewhat visible.
Hell they're even noticeable on SK's own mini Rakshas  :rakshas:
I just can't imagine a way for the mask to appear split apart in the panels we've seen and not have at least some remaining black marks.
Am I reading too much into this or what?
Title: Re: Episode 339
Post by: JMP on September 03, 2015, 02:16:45 AM
Notice the two familiar black droplet shapes.
Now the detailed close up of it being split in half. No droplets.
Good eye, Rezin! I guess I must have been so busy being shocked by the mask getting broken and all the action happening that I didn't notice that. It's very interesting. Those two dark markings are there as long as Rakshas is inhabiting the mask, but as soon as it's vacant of his presence they've disappeared. The only thing I can think is that the markings have something to do with his spiritual energy being within the mask, something his consciousness causes to be visible on its surface somehow.  :???:
Or maybe the markings represent some type of magic spell that was broken when the mask was split in half.
Title: Re: Episode 339
Post by: Walter on September 03, 2015, 11:15:51 AM
I just can't imagine a way for the mask to appear split apart in the panels we've seen and not have at least some remaining black marks.
Am I reading too much into this or what?

No I think you were right to point it out. Certainly escaped my attention. I've done some sloppy Photoshop lasso + rotation to join the two halves, and it does appear to be a pretty clean cut:

(http://skullknight.net/images/rakshas-mask.jpg)


But I'm still not convinced that it wasn't merely an oversight by Miura to not include those markings (it's sure a strange thing to overlook, though. The  mask design is very distinctive). Otherwise, the implication of the droplets not being there is difficult to make sense of. Perhaps it's one of the things he'll revise when it's collected in volume form.
Title: Re: Episode 339
Post by: JMP on September 03, 2015, 12:50:51 PM
Otherwise, the implication of the droplets not being there are difficult to make sense of.
It's actually got me wondering if we might be seeing some backstory about Rakshas soon that may shed some light on a lot of things, mask included.  :rakshas: I'd be loving that, so I hope so!

Here's my crazy theory: The mask was a punishment that Rakshas' clan made him wear as an outward sign of his shame, kind of like a scarlet letter or something. Maybe what Silat said about a taboo was in reference to that, he was surprised that Rakshas was still abiding by that punishment by wearing the mask, even now. Maybe when the mask was broken, especially by the hand of the clan's current leader, it broke some kind of curse that had been placed upon it which caused the markings to disappear.
I'm not saying I think Silat had been the one to punish Rakshas, but maybe one of his ancestors did.

As to why Rakshas would like the mask if it was a punishment, maybe he felt that even though it originally had negative connotations, it was a tie to his identity and past. Or it might be like a badge of honor to him somehow, like he turned something that was meant to be bad into something he owned and took pride in.
Title: Re: Episode 339
Post by: Walter on September 03, 2015, 03:48:07 PM
Here's my crazy theory: The mask was a punishment that Rakshas' clan made him wear as an outward sign of his shame, kind of like a scarlet letter or something. Maybe what Silat said about a taboo was in reference to that, he was surprised that Rakshas was still abiding by that punishment by wearing the mask, even now. Maybe when the mask was broken, especially by the hand of the clan's current leader, it broke some kind of curse that had been placed upon it which caused the markings to disappear.

Wow that is pretty bonkers.  :???: I feel like if it were going to be something that elaborate, there would have been more attention drawn to the fact that they had disappeared.
Title: Re: Episode 339
Post by: JMP on September 03, 2015, 05:28:41 PM
Wow that is pretty bonkers.  :???: I feel like if it were going to be something that elaborate, there would have been more attention drawn to the fact that they had disappeared.
Yup, a bit of wild speculating.  :slan: I was just having some fun thinking about possibilities.
Title: Re: Episode 339
Post by: Rezin on September 03, 2015, 05:49:12 PM
Interesting theories, JMP.
The mask was a punishment that Rakshas' clan made him wear as an outward sign of his shame, kind of like a scarlet letter or something.
I was thinking something along these lines, but instead of the entire mask I wagered that the two black droplets were what marked him as a traitor. That would be why they disappeared while the mask remained, they're connected to him physically or something. As for their appearance, they resemble black blood drops. Killed too many of his own maybe?
Wonder if they'll pop up on his new mask, though if they do that could just be attributed to having some consistency in his design. 

But I'm still not convinced that it wasn't merely an oversight by Miura to not include those markings (it's sure a strange thing to overlook, though. The  mask design is very distinctive). Otherwise, the implication of the droplets not being there is difficult to make sense of. Perhaps it's one of the things he'll revise when it's collected in volume form.
I think the first thing I'll do when I get the new volume is flip through to this episode and see if there are any changes.
If they're there then that puts an end to our speculation, but if they're not well...only time will tell if its of any importance.
By the way, approximately how many episodes away are we from Vol 38?


Title: Re: Episode 339
Post by: Walter on September 03, 2015, 05:53:12 PM
By the way, approximately how many episodes away are we from Vol 38?

Between 3-4 more episodes before it can be bound. I expect Vol 38 by March in Japan. December in the US.
Title: Re: Episode 339
Post by: Rezin on September 03, 2015, 06:05:59 PM
Between 3-4 more episodes before it can be bound. I expect Vol 38 by March in Japan. December in the US.
Wonderful. Just in time for the holidays.
Title: Re: Episode 339
Post by: Aazealh on September 06, 2015, 12:57:23 PM
Friendly reminder that the episode is available to buy on hakusensha-e.net (http://www.hakusensha-e.net/). We have a step-by-step guide for it! (http://www.skullknight.net/forum/index.php?topic=14329.0)

Something grabbed my attention in regards to his old mask though.
Here's a shot of it from this episode prior to Silat cutting it in half. Notice the two familiar black droplet shapes. Now the detailed close up of it being split in half. No droplets.

Normally I'd say the droplets were left out because there wasn't enough room for detail or the figure was far away, but they are absent from scenes where the mask is either in full clear view or at a distance where they would be somewhat visible.

Am I reading too much into this or what?

Good observation. It's indeed very strange that they would disappear from one panel to the next. I could think of it as a mistake if it weren't on such a prominent panel, and then was still missing on another one. But as it stands... there might more to it than meets the eye. That being said, I'm not sure how that would work or what that would achieve. I guess they could be parts of the cloak that get through via a slit in the mask, but I'm not entirely convinced.
Title: Re: Episode 339
Post by: jackson_hurley on September 06, 2015, 01:57:27 PM
A bit of topic but this reminds me of one mistake that I spotted in the golden age. When Guts kills Adonis, at the end of the episode his hands hold to sword one way and then at the beginning of the next episode the position changed. A small and pointless detail but still is there. I've never mind it though.
Title: Re: Episode 339
Post by: Sancho on September 06, 2015, 03:28:02 PM
First post. Hello to everyone!  (And excuse my bad english)
About Daiba i think is not so unlikely that he will join Rickert Erica and the Bakiraka. In volume 31 he states that his wish is to establish a magic empire, which is hardly what Griffith also desire, since magic users can move slightly outside causality. Now in Falconia he seems to have lost all his hopes, and probably if Griffith were to find out that a so powerful wizard lives in his capital, the old man's life would also be in danger. Peraphs having found those new allies will restore his hopes to realize his goal.

Also could it be that this "great magic empire" that he desire is a foreshadowing of the ending. Peraphs at the end the use of magic and the comunication with spirits will be spread all over the world, and humanity will have the true means to resolve all the bad things that happens, instead to rely to the Idea of Evil that they created ( if it's still canon). I remember that also Flora said the humans have forgotten the existence of spirits. We have no evidence of this, but i think it's still an intersting speculation.
Title: Re: Episode 339
Post by: Aazealh on September 06, 2015, 04:46:02 PM
First post. Hello to everyone!  (And excuse my bad english)

Hello Sancho and welcome! :guts:

About Daiba i think is not so unlikely that he will join Rickert Erica and the Bakiraka.

I don't believe anyone said it was unlikely; on the contrary we speculated that he might intervene with the Garuda.

In volume 31 he states that his wish is to fund a magic empire, which is hardly what Griffith also desire, since magic users can move slightly outside causality. Now in Falconia he seems to have lost all his hopes, and probably if Griffith were to find out that a so powerful wizard lives in his capital, the old man's life would also be in danger. Peraphs having found those new allies will restore his hopes to realize his goal.

I think you're getting a few things mixed up here. Daiba's ambition as stated in volume 31 is effectively over, no matter how you look at it. It's been both superseded by Fantasia and crushed by the end of Ganishka's rule. Yet I think you're wrong to say Griffith's rule is incompatible with it. After all, the God Hand and apostles use a form of magic, and Ganishka's own supernatural troops were in fact powered by that sort of magic. The Kundalini was the lone exception. Of course, that's not to say Daiba would be welcomed by Griffith or anything of the sort (although I wouldn't call him a powerful wizard), but let's not forget who unleashed Fantasia in the first place.

As for the Bakiraka, they're about as antimagic as you can find. They train their bodies to the extreme and rely on their skills to survive, and did not join Griffith precisely to avoid serving under a inhuman being again. All of that to say that it would be interesting to see how Daiba's skills would be received by the Bakiraka, if he did end up joining them.

Also could it be that this "great magic empire" that he desire is a foreshadowing of the ending. Peraphs at the end the use of magic and the comunication with spirits will be spread all over the world, and humanity will have the true means to resolve all the bad things that happens, instead to rely to the Idea of Evil that they created ( if it's still canon).

I've speculated along those lines in the past. I believe that the use of (elemental) magic might very well be the key to freeing mankind from the clutches of the Idea of Evil (it is still canon).
Title: Re: Episode 339
Post by: JMP on September 06, 2015, 06:54:08 PM
Hi Sancho! I like your profile pic!  :guts:
Title: Re: Episode 339
Post by: Sancho on September 07, 2015, 07:38:14 PM
Hi Sancho! I like your profile pic!  :guts:
Thank you! This is Guts when he's possesed by an aristocrate spectre  :guts:
Title: Re: Episode 339
Post by: Judo on September 08, 2015, 09:37:47 AM
Hello Sancho, welcome to the fold!  :ubik:

Daibas role in the upcoming events is very interesting indeed. He seems kinda broken and demoralised at this point but the arrival of the Bakiraka has certainly picked his interest.