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Title: Episode 340
Post by: Nymoath on September 21, 2015, 07:50:09 AM
Title: 暗闘 - The Combat in the Darkness/The Secret Feud (not sure)

Story:

Rakshas finds Rickert; his new mask still has three eyes, but has some feather-like pattern on each of them. :rakshas:

Rickert shoots Rakshas with his crossbow, but most of the shots are dodged.

One of the shots hits Rakshas' mask. Rickert: "Got it!" (やった!)

Rakshas: "I should've said it before... That's not where my head is."

Rickert says something about the swine apostle guy that he and Guts met back at the blacksmith's.

Rakshas: "I will kill the Falcon by my own hand someday." (私……何時か殺したい鷹をこの手で。Not sure what he means here :???:)

Silat suddenly attacks Rakshas, referring to Rakshas as "The Joyful Murderer"(快楽殺人者).

Silat has a fierce combat with Rakshas and successfully leaves a long scratch on his face.

Rakshas: "As an arrogant son of the chieftain... You're not someone I could take lightly."

Silat: "My arrogance was torn when that guy (Guts) crushed my nose bridge... I've grown a lot after that fight with him."

The two Tapasa guys fire a cannonball at Rakshas. Successfully hit. The two Tapasa guys fill the fire extinguisher with burning oil and fire it at Rakshas.

Rickert refers to Rakshas as "戦魔". (A name for Griffith's apostle soldiers, though Rakshas still hasn't show his apostle form so far.)

Rakshas grabs a horse to the sky, tears it into half, and uses the horse's blood to douse the flame that covered his body.

As the fire is spreading, Erica goes out of the shelter so as to save the city from fire.

Luca calls Erica to save her from danger, but Erica is already captured and lifted to the sky by Rakshas. :magni:

Rickert: "Ericaaa!!"

Episode #341 will be published in Young Animal #21 (23rd October).
Title: Re: Episode 340
Post by: Captain Sherlock on September 21, 2015, 08:30:50 AM
Thanks for the translation. Does anybody have a link to the manga pages?
Title: Re: Episode 340
Post by: Nymoath on September 21, 2015, 08:44:17 AM
Thanks for the translation. Does anybody have a link to the manga pages?

Please wait till 25th.

As far as I know, Chinese scanlators got the episode even earlier than me. So it's possible that we'll have the Chinese scans before 25th.  :schierke:
Title: Re: Episode 340
Post by: the_borg on September 21, 2015, 10:34:00 AM
Thanks for the summary.
Title: Re: Episode 340
Post by: Aguirre on September 21, 2015, 11:25:50 AM
So the fire extinguisher that Rickert was working with was, in some ways, Chekhov's gun.
Title: Re: Episode 340
Post by: Squiddot on September 21, 2015, 11:59:16 AM
Well it looks like we've finally gotten a look at Rakshas' apostle form now, compared to his usual look he looks totally monstrous in that final page. His mask is also a much bigger departure from the original design than i would have guessed, but damn it looks great.

And how long has it been since Miura's last done a brutal horse dismemberment? :ganishka:

Really looking forward to seeing how everything plays out now, Seems like Rickert's departure (if he even makes it that far and doesn't wind up in some Falconia jail cell) isn't going to be nearly as quick and clean as i thought it would.
Title: Re: Episode 340
Post by: Walter on September 21, 2015, 12:14:46 PM
Wow, new Rakshas mask, (http://ddpro.ucoz.com/nymoath/Avatar.png) new Rakshas look! Collect them all! This one looks almost like a luchador mask  :rakshas:

That horse blood thing had me cackling, heheh. What a monster!

Well it looks like we've finally gotten a look at Rakshas' apostle form now, compared to his usual look he looks totally monstrous in that final page.

Don't think so. As Nymoath says, "Rickert refers to Rakshas as "戦魔". (A name for Griffith's apostle soldiers, though Rakshas still hasn't show his apostle form so far.)"

So the fire extinguisher that Rickert was working with was, in some ways, Chekhov's gun.
Why...? It already served a purpose -- exemplifying the advanced technology that was in the old city.
Title: Re: Episode 340
Post by: Nymoath on September 21, 2015, 12:41:04 PM
Rickert refers to Rakshas as "戦魔". (A name for Griffith's apostle soldiers, though Rakshas still hasn't show his apostle form so far.)
I'm not really sure about that. It's possible that he is already in his apostle form; it's just hidden under his cloak. :???:

Also, did Dark Horse officially named him "Raksas"? Though I'd still prefer Rakshas, maybe it would be better to stay with the official spellings.
Title: Re: Episode 340
Post by: Squiddot on September 21, 2015, 12:58:47 PM
I'm not really sure about that. It's possible that he is already in his apostle form; it's just hidden under his cloak. :???:

That's what i'm thinking. His usual human silhouette has changed a lot, his arms have twisted into enormous tentacles, on top of sprouting an extra pair which is something we've never seen before. It's also hard to tell with the dramatic angle on that last page but he looks much taller than usual. His cloak is also more "frilly" and layered, almost like an animal's hide, but I'm willing to chalk that up to him being lit on fire previously.
Title: Re: Episode 340
Post by: Walter on September 21, 2015, 01:58:43 PM
I'm not really sure about that. It's possible that he is already in his apostle form; it's just hidden under his cloak. :???:

Ah, well I was just basing it on what you said, and with your avatar, I presumed you had seen more of the episode which solidified that impression.

BTW Nymoath... is the fire caused by the cannon the Tapasa fire...?

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Also, did Dark Horse officially named him "Raksas"? Though I'd still prefer Rakshas, maybe it would be better to stay with the official spellings.

Yep... However,  Rakshas is preferred. DH gets several things wrong (Knight of Skeleton for example).

his arms have twisted into enormous tentacles, on top of sprouting an extra pair which is something we've never seen before.

Well, while there are more of them, that's within the range of what Rakshas did in the last episode, when he lifted the Tapasa using "just" the cloak. I think this again proves what was implied last time -- he doesn't have a body under there -- it's pretty much just a cloak that he can manipulate into various appendages.

Just from the 2.1 pages that I've seen, his form doesn't appear dramatically different to me, just a bit wilder. For him to show his true apostle form, I would presume it would be a much greater departure from the norm.
Title: Re: Episode 340
Post by: jackson_hurley on September 21, 2015, 02:04:58 PM
Wow oh wow. How am I supposed to last my work week with this exciting episode coming!?! Great preview. Thx you very much... Now I just don,t have any comment for I'm too excited. To be honest I think I might prefer the old mask even though the new one is nice.
Title: Re: Episode 340
Post by: Rhombaad on September 21, 2015, 04:37:19 PM
Thanks for the summary and preview pics, Nymoath!

To be honest I think I might prefer the old mask even though the new one is nice.

So does Rakshas. :rakshas:
Title: Re: Episode 340
Post by: Aazealh on September 21, 2015, 06:40:57 PM
Thank you for the preview, Nymoath.

The title of the episode is interesting. It's a play on words: the basic meaning is a "fight in the dark", but it actually refers to a longstanding, behind the scene enmity, like what could exist between two opposite political factions. A clear reference to the history between Rakshas and the Bakiraka.

Well it looks like we've finally gotten a look at Rakshas' apostle form now, compared to his usual look he looks totally monstrous in that final page. His mask is also a much bigger departure from the original design than i would have guessed, but damn it looks great.

Yeah it seems he's getting serious (at least by the end of the episode). I like the new mask, and it's actually not that different from the previous one. It's more ornamented (in a very Kushan way; it reminds me of Ganishka's grand throne and statues) and lacks the teeth, but the pattern is the same. It also shows I was right about him having a bunch of masks. :rakshas:

Really looking forward to seeing how everything plays out now, Seems like Rickert's departure (if he even makes it that far and doesn't wind up in some Falconia jail cell) isn't going to be nearly as quick and clean as i thought it would.

So far things are going pretty much as I expected them to. In this episode Rakshas stopped them from leaving and has now got the upper hand. In the next one I believe Daiba will swoop in and rescue Erika (repaying her for her earlier kindness, in a way) while helping the others overwhelm Rakshas. For example he could use his magic to control the fire, using it against the apostle. I believe a close call with an escape on the Garuda would neatly close this part of the story.

I'm not really sure about that. It's possible that he is already in his apostle form; it's just hidden under his cloak. :???:

As was made clear by episode 339, Rakshas isn't hiding under the cloak: he is the cloak. Look at your own pictures: he is basically a monster made up of fabric. Whatever head and organs he has must be distributed within the cloth.
Title: Re: Episode 340
Post by: jackson_hurley on September 21, 2015, 08:24:03 PM

As was made clear by episode 339, Rakshas isn't hiding under the cloak: he is the cloak. Look at your own pictures: he is basically a monster made up of fabric. Whatever head and organs he has must be distributed within the cloth.

Do you think this statement could be accurate somehow : "Burn the cloak = problem solved"? (Now I'm not saying that it'd be easy to do though)
Title: Re: Episode 340
Post by: Aazealh on September 21, 2015, 08:29:02 PM
Do you think this statement could be accurate somehow : "Burn the cloak = problem solved"? (Now I'm not saying that it'd be easy to do though)

Destroying the "cloak" one way or another would spell the end of Rakshas since they are one and the same, but that's not saying much.
Title: Re: Episode 340
Post by: jackson_hurley on September 21, 2015, 08:43:47 PM
Destroying the "cloak" one way or another would spell the end of Rakshas since they are one and the same, but that's not saying much.

Well of course it was simply put. I don't think it'd be as easy as saying it. Maybe this is why they try to set him on fire though? Since we don't have the full episode yet, we don't know how this happens. He already seems hard to wound...
Title: Re: Episode 340
Post by: N7Paladin on September 21, 2015, 09:48:24 PM
Really, really excited to see the "fierce" combat between Silat and Rakshas. I've been waiting to see someone who isn't Guts have a serious fight with an apostle, and Miura has been teasing us for a bit now. :ubik:

I am on the edge of my seat waiting for this release now!

Thanks for posting this.



Title: Re: Episode 340
Post by: Skeleton on September 22, 2015, 03:35:04 AM
Rakshas: "I will kill the Falcon by my own hand someday." (私……何時か殺したい鷹をこの手で。Not sure what he means here :???:)

I'm curious to see the context of that line.  Is he joking?  Was he being sincere about that desire all this time?  (And if so how could he possibly still think that'll happen given Ganishka's failed attempt?)  And why would he even bring that up now?  I look forward to having those questions answered.
Title: Re: Episode 340
Post by: Nymoath on September 22, 2015, 03:48:36 AM
BTW Nymoath... is the fire caused by the cannon the Tapasa fire...?

I was not really sure. My Japanese is terrible, the raw pictures I saw are very dim and not clear at all, and I really didn't read it very carefully yesterday. Sorry for leaving a misimpression.

The thing is that I just found that I've made a big mistake in the original post. The Tapasa didn't fire a "cannonball" at Rakshas. What they really did is filling Rickert's fire extinguisher with burning oil instead of water, and poured it on Rakshas. So yes, that's a "Chekhov's gun".

Here's a little more of the episode: the "cannon" (http://ddpro.ucoz.com/nymoath/340_FireExt.png) and the scratch (http://ddpro.ucoz.com/nymoath/340_Scratch.png). (I've tried my best to make the pictures clearer, trust me. :judo:)

I'm curious to see the context of that line.  Is he joking?  Was he being sincere about that desire all this time?  (And if so how could he possibly still think that'll happen given Ganishka's failed attempt?)  And why would he even bring that up now?  I look forward to having those questions answered.

I'm not sure what that line really means. Forgive my terrible Japanese. But he has once made that statement before. Didn't he? :???:

As was made clear by episode 339, Rakshas isn't hiding under the cloak: he is the cloak. Look at your own pictures: he is basically a monster made up of fabric. Whatever head and organs he has must be distributed within the cloth.

That's very likely to be right I guess. But at least he's got a face somewhere in that cloak. Wonder if he has blood?
Title: Re: Episode 340
Post by: Skeleton on September 22, 2015, 03:57:19 AM
the scratch (http://ddpro.ucoz.com/nymoath/340_Scratch.png)

That shot of Rakshas with the scratch is fantastic.  :ganishka:
Title: Re: Episode 340
Post by: Walter on September 22, 2015, 04:14:45 AM
The thing is that I just found that I've made a big mistake in the original post. The Tapasa didn't fire a "cannonball" at Rakshas. What they really did is filling Rickert's fire extinguisher with burning oil instead of water, and poured it on Rakshas. So yes, that's a "Chekhov's gun".

Ah, I see. Please don't take this the wrong way, but these hints + a few scattered pages is a really painful way for us to experience this episode. I know you're trying to just give us a peek,but it's tough to make sense of everything as it is.

It looks from that latest shot like Rakshas does undergo a transformation in this episode. He shows up looking like his old self, with new mask, until he gets shot with flame. Then he must emerge with those crazy cloak-tentacles, because we then see him dousing himself in horse blood, followed by the whole thing with Erika. In both of those shots, his form looks quite a bit different. But that wasn't clear from earlier.

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Here's a little more of the episode: the "cannon" (http://ddpro.ucoz.com/nymoath/340_FireExt.png) and the scratch (http://ddpro.ucoz.com/nymoath/340_Scratch.png). (I've tried my best to make the pictures clearer, trust me. :judo:)

The Tapasa are so badass.

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I'm not sure what that line really means. Forgive my terrible Japanese. But he has once made that statement before. Didn't he? :???:

In his introductory scene (Volume 22), he said he wanted to wear Griffith's head.
Title: Re: Episode 340
Post by: Aazealh on September 22, 2015, 06:49:02 AM
Well of course it was simply put. I don't think it'd be as easy as saying it. Maybe this is why they try to set him on fire though?

Yes, they set him on fire to try to kill him.

I'm curious to see the context of that line.  Is he joking?  Was he being sincere about that desire all this time?  (And if so how could he possibly still think that'll happen given Ganishka's failed attempt?)  And why would he even bring that up now?  I look forward to having those questions answered.

We'll see when we have a proper translation, however, like I mentioned when episode 338 came out, I think it's pretty clear what his motivations are here: he's after Rickert because of the slap. Griffith's head is "his", and he won't allow anyone else to lay their hands on it. Basically, he's sticking to his strange logic regarding why he protects Griffith. This can also be taken as a hint that he was not ordered to go after Rickert by Griffith.

The thing is that I just found that I've made a big mistake in the original post. The Tapasa didn't fire a "cannonball" at Rakshas. What they really did is filling Rickert's fire extinguisher with burning oil instead of water, and poured it on Rakshas.

Oh, so I was right about the device being used as a flamethrower. :badbone: I shall from now on be referred to as THE PROPHET™.

So yes, that's a "Chekhov's gun".

Lol, I get what you're going for here, but really, Chekhov's gun is a narrative principle and it doesn't just refer to an element of a story playing more than one part in it. Berserk does not really follow Chekhov's principle by virtue of its structure and extensiveness, however I could spend a whole day listing instances of elements being introduced early and playing a role later on.

That's very likely to be right I guess. But at least he's got a face somewhere in that cloak. Wonder if he has blood?

I think he probably has some organs aside from his head and some blood in there somewhere. But it's mostly just fabric. In that shot of Silat slashing his face (such a badass), you do see some blood erupting.
Title: Re: Episode 340
Post by: Skeleton on September 22, 2015, 08:37:21 AM
We'll see when we have a proper translation, however, like I mentioned when episode 338 came out, I think it's pretty clear what his motivations are here: he's after Rickert because of the slap. Griffith's head is "his", and he won't allow anyone else to lay their hands on it. Basically, he's sticking to his strange logic regarding why he protects Griffith. This can also be taken as a hint that he was not ordered to go after Rickert by Griffith.

That's true, and for the record that's what I'm thinking too.  It's just hard to read what he's thinking.  The man has an incredible poker face.   :carcus:

Oh, so I was right about the device being used as a flamethrower. :badbone: I shall from now on be referred to as THE PROPHET™.

Sometimes I wonder if you're really Miura pretending to be someone else.  You've denied that allegation in the past.  But if Miura really did that he'd deny it too so. . .

Seriously though, I'm sincerely in awe at how in tune you are with how Miura thinks and what direction Berserk is going to go in.  I've been dead wrong with every single prediction I've ever made even when it seemed so obvious to me.  I applaud your skill, good sir.  It's truly incredible.
Title: Re: Episode 340
Post by: Aazealh on September 22, 2015, 09:12:09 AM
That's true, and for the record that's what I'm thinking too.  It's just hard to read what he's thinking.  The man has an incredible poker face.

That he certainly does!

Seriously though, I'm sincerely in awe at how in tune you are with how Miura thinks and what direction Berserk is going to go in.  I've been dead wrong with every single prediction I've ever made even when it seemed so obvious to me.  I applaud your skill, good sir.  It's truly incredible.

Hehe thanks, I try to be. That being said, I've been wrong quite a few times as well. That's one thing I love about Berserk: Miura's always got some surprises in store for us! :guts:
Title: Re: Episode 340
Post by: Squiddot on September 22, 2015, 09:56:11 AM
So twice now Rakshas has pointed out that his face isn't where it's supposed to be and i think i'm starting to get it. The faint ghosty face is his weakness but it's never hidden underneath his mask like an ordinary head, rather it's blended in somewhere on the cloak, nigh impossible to see considering his movements and how well hidden it naturally is. Silat is slicing it in the new pics but we can see from the last page that his mask is still firmly on. Seems like most of the fight is going to be trying to locate the tiny impression of the face on the cloak while avoiding all of Rakshas' blows, a tall order but Silat is showing himself to be a force to be reckoned with who learns what works and what doesn't fast.

I'm thinking while Erika's being suspended up in the air, she might spot the little face on Rakshas' back (has anyone ever managed to get behind him?), triggering the hunt.

Of course, burning him into a little pile would be a much faster way  :troll: Tapasa work smart, not hard.
Title: Re: Episode 340
Post by: Aazealh on September 22, 2015, 10:00:55 AM
So twice now Rakshas has pointed out that his face isn't where it's supposed to be and i think i'm starting to get it. The faint ghosty face is his weakness but it's never hidden underneath his mask like an ordinary head, rather it's blended in somewhere on the cloak, nigh impossible to see considering his movements and how well hidden it naturally is.

Yep, that sounds like it. He seems to use the mask as a semi-permanent decoy, like I mentioned when episode 339 came out.

I'm thinking while Erika's being suspended up in the air, she might spot the little face on Rakshas' back (has anyone ever managed to get behind him?), triggering the hunt.

I don't think they'll manage to defeat Rakshas, I rather expect them to flee once Erika is rescued.
Title: Re: Episode 340
Post by: Buy Berserk! on September 22, 2015, 11:03:51 AM
Superb episode!
Title: Re: Episode 340
Post by: Aazealh on September 22, 2015, 11:08:30 AM
Amazing fight. Finally, the Urumi are out! And yet they didn't deter Rakshas for long. I also don't think there's any doubt as to whether Rakshas has shown us his apostle form or not: he has.
And he looks pretty badass I think! Dare I say even a bit insectoid-like in that one specific panel where he's sending in his scythe-like appendage to grab a horse through a building?

All in all a superb episode. Can't believe they managed to trap him! He was too arrogant... But maybe rightfully so, because boy, are they in a tight spot now!
Title: Re: Episode 340
Post by: Nymoath on September 22, 2015, 11:20:55 AM
Amazing fight. Finally, the Urumi are out! And yet they didn't deter Rakshas for long. I also don't think there's any doubt as to whether Rakshas has shown us his apostle form or not: he has.

Could it be that he has always been in his apostle form? Just a second transformation or something like that?
Title: Re: Episode 340
Post by: Squiddot on September 22, 2015, 11:28:22 AM
Could it be that he has always been in his apostle form? Just a second transformation or something like that?

The form we've seen him in up untill now is definitely as "human" as he was going to get. Its a bit like Rosine where the "human" form still looks and behaves far differently from normal. He even has a perfectly normal body when he twists his legs up into the air this episode. Safe to say this new form is the "monster" one.

Man, Rickerts ambush was great, I really think Rakshas is gonna buy it here, he's hand's just been forced to much to do another quick escape.
Title: Re: Episode 340
Post by: Aazealh on September 22, 2015, 11:28:34 AM
Could it be that he has always been in his apostle form? Just a second transformation or something like that?

Well... these things are not exactly precisely defined. They're not official terms or anything, just expressions we use for convenience's sake.
Basically, every apostle, even in what we call their "human form", is still monstrous to some degree (usually superhuman strength, reflexes, durability and so on). Rakshas is one of those whose "human" form isn't very human to begin with, but the process is still the same: he goes from one state to another, more monstrous one.

Man, Rickerts ambush was great, I really think Rakshas is gonna buy it here, he's hand's just been forced to much to do another quick escape.

You are gravely misreading the situation if you think Rakshas is going to die. He was overconfident and has been forced to unleash his true power as a result, but they've already used up most of (if not all of) their tricks against him. And now he's got Erika too. Furthermore, he didn't escape because he was at a disadvantage during their last encounter, he leisurely left because he "didn't feel like" fighting anymore. Believe me, he's not the one in trouble right now.
Title: Re: Episode 340
Post by: Devilwoman on September 22, 2015, 12:10:19 PM
Thanks for the summary.

This is pretty intense, I'm really worried about Erika.
Title: Re: Episode 340
Post by: Squiddot on September 22, 2015, 12:13:36 PM
You are gravely misreading the situation if you think Rakshas is going to die. He was overconfident and has been forced to unleash his true power as a result, but they've already used up most of (if not all of) their tricks against him. And now he's got Erika too. Furthermore, he didn't escape because he was at a disadvantage during their last encounter, he leisurely left because he "didn't feel like" fighting anymore. Believe me, he's not the one in trouble right now.

Why wouldn't Rakshas die in this situation? He's been around since the beginning of the last arc, he's currently facing off against the only living character(s) left with some shared history who now know exactly what they need to do to defeat him and he's done what every other apostle we've seen has done when they find themselves neck deep, and those apostle's last minute final form change has never been enough, save for Grunbeld which is a bad comparison for many reasons.

Right now he's got Erica hostage, and Rickert isn't going to take a step out of Falconia without her, so either he drops her and escapes in what is essentially a slightly beefed up repeat of something that happened one episode ago, he escapes with her back into the capital which opens up a lot of possibilities at the cost of scrapping everything Rickert's Falconia journey has been leading up to, likely splitting him off from Silat and erasing any potential closure for this Falconia segment until he gets her back (and he's shown that he would be far more likely to just outright kill her, but does anyone really see that happening?), or the extremely powerful magic user with the flying monster who Erica just happened to befriend comes in and lends his support to a group already highly skilled and capable of thinking on their feet.

Griffith's untouchable generals have to start falling some time. What do you think he's being saved for? A final fight with Guts or any other party member wouldn't carry nearly as much weight and drama as what is happening right now. And if there's any backstory about him in store, Silat would be the one to spill it, so it's not like he needs to be alive for that.
Title: Re: Episode 340
Post by: Aazealh on September 22, 2015, 12:37:40 PM
Why wouldn't Rakshas die in this situation? He's been around since the beginning of the last arc, he's currently facing off against the only living character(s) left with some shared history who now know exactly what they need to do to defeat him and he's done what every other apostle we've seen has done when they find themselves neck deep, and those apostle's last minute final form change has never been enough, save for Grunbeld which is a bad comparison for many reasons.

First off, does it look to you like Rakshas is in any danger right now? What's a threat to him exactly? Second, you're not going about this the proper way. Apostles that have transformed and not died? How about Zodd? How about Locus, or Irvine? Apostles use their full power when they need to. There's no formula that means they have to die afterwards.

Right now he's got Erica hostage, and Rickert isn't going to take a step out of Falconia without her, so either he drops her and escapes in what is essentially a slightly beefed up repeat of something that happened one episode ago, he escapes with her back into the capital which opens up a lot of possibilities at the cost of scrapping everything Rickert's Falconia journey has been leading up to, likely splitting him off from Silat and erasing any potential closure for this Falconia segment until he gets her back (and he's shown that he would be far more likely to just outright kill her, but does anyone really see that happening?), or the extremely powerful magic user with the flying monster who Erica just happened to befriend comes in and lends his support to a group already highly skilled and capable of thinking on their feet.

I'd like to take this opportunity to remind everyone that Erika and Luka are officially written with a K. That aside, Daiba is not an "extremely powerful" magic user, but yes, I believe he is likely to come and rescue Erika (and the others), allowing them to escape from Rakshas by flying off. Because Rakshas himself is certainly not going to flee from them. He didn't even do so last time, as I've already reminded you, but he has absolutely no reason to do so now.

Griffith's untouchable generals have to start falling some time. What do you think he's being saved for? A final fight with Guts or any other party member wouldn't carry nearly as much weight and drama as what is happening right now. And if there's any backstory about him in store, Silat would be the one to spill it, so it's not like he needs to be alive for that.

You seem awfully confident about what future developments Miura has in store for us. Why couldn't there indeed be a final confrontation with Rakshas that had drama and did involve the Bakiraka and maybe even Guts' group in a team-up effort? Nothing prevents it from happening.

Anyway, how about we take a bet on it? :daiba:
If Rakshas dies next episode, you get +999 Karma, if he doesn't, you get -999. You in?
Title: Re: Episode 340
Post by: Nymoath on September 22, 2015, 12:58:22 PM
Daiba is not an "extremely powerful" magic user.
I always thought he's quite a powerful magic user, second only to Flora perhaps, but at least far above Schierke? :???:
Title: Re: Episode 340
Post by: Squiddot on September 22, 2015, 01:01:22 PM
First off, does it look to you like Rakshas is in any danger right now? What's a threat to him exactly? Second, you're not going about this the proper way. Apostles that have transformed and not died? How about Zodd? How about Locus, or Irvine? Apostles use their full power when they need to. There's no established formula that means they have to die afterwards.

Locus and Irvine have never faced off against anyone besides generic mooks. and Zodd is a whole other character with a much deeper connection to Guts who's fights carry a lot more gravity.

Anyway, how about we take a bet on it? :daiba:
If Rakshas dies next episode, you get +999 Karma, if he doesn't, you get -999. You in?

Make it by the end of this Falconia trip and i'm in :daiba:, can i request appropriate flair?
Title: Re: Episode 340
Post by: Aazealh on September 22, 2015, 01:26:06 PM
I always thought he's quite a powerful magic user, second only to Flora perhaps, but at least far above Schierke? :???:

No way, Schierke is miles above him. She can actually leave her body and summon astral beings, something Daiba is incapable of. During their encounter he had an advantage because of where they were fighting (a big city) and because he had the might of the Kushan empire behind him. He had many Daka and Pishacha at his service, and most of all he was using the Kundalini's power. And yet he was still defeated. Now, with all of that taken away from him, what can he do? Charm animals, do some basic elemental tricks... but what else? I guess we're about to find out, but either way, he's second rate.

Make it by the end of this Falconia trip and i'm in :daiba:, can i request appropriate flair?

Deal. And sure, you'll get all the flair you want and then some. :slan:
Title: Re: Episode 340
Post by: jackson_hurley on September 22, 2015, 01:59:22 PM
Rakshas is one of those whose "human" form isn't very human to begin with, but the process is still the same: he goes from one state to another, more monstrous one.


Well I prefer Rakshas "human" form to that of the pig apostle.  :ganishka:

But man oh man, what an episode. Silat using almost all his members in that fight. he just needs to use the other foot and every bit are gonna have knife on it! But seriously that part with his foot his one of my favorite of the episode (a part for the flamethrower, who'd have guess we'd see a flamethrower in Berserk) Once again Miura has proved himself a genius. October come quickly we need your episode!  :ubik:
Title: Re: Episode 340
Post by: Aazealh on September 22, 2015, 02:06:49 PM
So here's a rough summary. Bear in mind there might be inaccuracies.

The city sleeps and Rakshas is tailing Rickert from the rooftops. As he gets down and closes in for the kill, fireworks light up, surrounding and revealing he's fallen for a trap. Rickert opens fire with the repeating crossbow he'd been carrying in an inconspicuous box. Looking from a window overhead, Luca comments that it seems it has started. She warns Erika not to approach the scene until the battle is over, that it's not fit for women and children. She also warns her girls not to try to peep, because if they're caught by the Demon Soldiers, they'll be either killed on the spot or arrested for helping traitors.

Rickert sprays Rakshas with arrows and exclaims that he got him. But as Rakshas' body slumps down, another one rises up from below. He grabs his mask, on which an arrow is notched, and says: "I told you... my head isn't necessarily there." He then complains upon looking at the damage: "Awww, I wear a new mask and it's already damaged... Only bad things are happening to me today, *sob*". Rickert uses the opportunity to try and shoot him some more, but Rakshas flicks his hand and sends the arrow he just removed from the mask right in Rickert's shoulder. He tells him he's got amazing guts to be fighting against him instead of running away. Rickert replies that he was once tracked by his kind for dozens of miles (referring to the boar apostle), so he knows he can't easily run away from him. Rakshas replies: "Indeed... many apostles have a fixation... Especially because they're all attracted by the Falcon. Me too. However, I... want to kill the Falcon with my own hands."

Silat uses that opportunity to strike. Rakshas dodges the Urumi (he recognizes the weapon), but they cut into his cloak. Silat calls him "joyful murderer", and tells him he's really unqualified to be an assassin. An assassin shouldn't feel joy when they kill somebody, and that's a fatal flaw among the Bakiraka. An assassin should bring death, not taunt their target. He then tells him he'll slash him into rags. Rickert thinks to himself: "Great". Silat sees Rakshas' face move within the cloth. He tells Rakshas that "the same tactic won't work twice" and manages to slash his face with a blade held between his toes. Tells him "you're finished" as he's about to administer the death blow, but Rakshas calmly responds: "the blades can't cut me anymore". The fabric has ensnared them.

The apostle goes on the offensive and Silat defends with his Katars. Rakshas comments that Silat's skills really have improved. That he used to only be arrogant because he was the son of the chief. And that he (Rakshas) was careless just now. Silat replies that it's true, he used to be arrogant. But that, on a battlefield, he was put in his place by a man (using an idiom about his nose being disjointed). "After that, I practiced everyday to be good enough to manage in this harsh world." Rickert, who's been a witness to all of this, realizes that Silat is talking about Guts.

Rakshas tells him that the fireworks are going to go out soon. "I, Rakshas, will be shattered into the dark. When the flames are extinguished, so will be your life."
Silat says: "you're late". The Tapasa reply: "sorry for keeping you waiting, master. We're ready." They use the water spraying device as a flamethrower against Rakshas. Rickert exclaims: "We got him!" Silat comments that filling that device with oil to shoot fire from it was a great idea. Meanwhile, the girls are worried because of the fire. Erika suddenly gets going, despite Luka yelling at her to stop.

Rakshas is burning. He tells them: "don't look at me... don't look at me... don't shine a light on me" as he transforms into his apostle form. Rickert comments that he's a reborn demon (i.e. apostle); that it's the true form of Rakshas. Rakshas, now huge, grabs a horse through a roof and splits it open over himself. Rickert realizes that he was trying to put out the flames with the horse's blood. The Tapasa swear at him, and Rakshas throws half a horse at them, destroying the flamethrowing device. He comments on the fact he's still burning a bit. Erika arrives, worried about Rickert. Luka's running after her, but to no avail. Rakshas snaps her up in an instant, and holds her up high in the sky as Rickert screams her name.
Title: Re: Episode 340
Post by: Nymoath on September 22, 2015, 02:23:21 PM
He had many Daka and Pishacha at his service, and most of all he was using the Kundalini's power.

Actually I think leaving one's body is a very elementary skill for mages, even Farnese is shown able to manage it after brief training. :farnese:

Is it possible that he could just summon another Kundalini? Since he could harness the creature, shouldn't we see it as part of his power? I don't think Schierke could deal with that thing without Guts' help, and vice versa. :daiba:
Title: Re: Episode 340
Post by: jackson_hurley on September 22, 2015, 02:25:06 PM
Is it possible that he could just summon another Kundalini? Since he could harness the creature, shouldn't we see it as part of his power? I don't think Schierke could deal with that thing without Guts' help, and vice versa.

Not sure but I think he'd need to be near water in order to do that...
Title: Re: Episode 340
Post by: Squiddot on September 22, 2015, 02:25:52 PM
Awesome work on the translation as always! The most standout things to me was the way Rakshas describes himself being "shattered into the dark", that's the first sort of acknowledgement we've had of his unnatural stealth, he really can blend into the dark, in the most literal sense of the word. as well as him telling them not to look at him after the fire gets him.It lines up with the fragile sense of self that we got a glimpse of last episode. The wording of "don't shine a light on me" definitely has meaning beyond being lit up by the flame. Being uncomfortable with that gigantic monstrous "true" form seems pretty Rakshas-y. :rakshas:
Title: Re: Episode 340
Post by: Walter on September 22, 2015, 02:34:22 PM
Incredible fight, incredible apostle reveal, incredible episode.

Thanks for summarizing/translating PuellAaz! I LOVED Rakshas' line when he's set on fire and transforms. I almost feel bad for the guy -- he's been stopped at every turn, and has to both transform AND stoop to low tactics to get the advantage in the fight.
Title: Re: Episode 340
Post by: Nymoath on September 22, 2015, 02:45:24 PM
So here's a rough summary. Bear in mind there might be inaccuracies.

That's just brilliant summary. Thanks a bunch. :ubik: Was it translated from the original Japanese manga or from the Korean scans?

So that nosebridge thing is just an idiom, huh? No wonder why I never recall Guts ever breaking his nose. :ganishka:
Title: Re: Episode 340
Post by: Aazealh on September 22, 2015, 02:53:35 PM
Actually I think leaving one's body is a very elementary skill for mages, even Farnese is shown able to manage it after brief training. :farnese:

Yes it is, which is why Daiba is not a very impressive magic user compared to Schierke.

Is it possible that he could just summon another Kundalini? Since he could harness the creature, shouldn't we see it as part of his power? I don't think Schierke could deal with that thing without Guts' help, and vice versa.

No he couldn't, because the Kundalini isn't a spirit like those Schierke summons. It's an animal, like a Kelpie or an ogre. A very powerful animal, but an animal nonetheless. Daiba had to find one and tame it, probably over the course of many years, to achieve that result. And from his comments during that part of the story, it seems he had Ganishka's help in the process (speaking of which, remember that at the time he was constantly inhaling Ganishka's fog, like all the other Kushan mystics).

As for dealing with the Kundalini, again, remember that the battle was heavily stacked in Daiba's favor. Schierke couldn't easily summon a spirit because of the proximity with Vritannis (and was tired from having summoned one already), and they were fighting at sea, so literally the ideal environment for the Kundalini.

Was it translated from the original Japanese manga or from the Korean scans?

The Korean scans, since they're those available to us.
Title: Re: Episode 340
Post by: Griffith on September 22, 2015, 03:41:03 PM
I think you guys are missing the underlying point of this episode which is HOLY SHIT! :isidro: :magni:
Title: Re: Episode 340
Post by: Aazealh on September 22, 2015, 03:59:56 PM
I think you guys are missing the underlying point of this episode which is HOLY SHIT! :isidro: :magni:

That is indeed an appropriate description. :guts:
Title: Re: Episode 340
Post by: Rhombaad on September 22, 2015, 04:07:22 PM
What a fantastic episode. I'm always amazed at how much Miura can cram into approximately 20 pages.
Title: Re: Episode 340
Post by: The Beast of Darkness on September 22, 2015, 04:40:27 PM
Superb episode. Rakshas's apostle form makes me think of some kind of reaper... impressive design.
Pre-ordered my Young Animal copy yesterday; I did that for the two previous issues and I'll do that every time a new Berserk episode is coming out from now on.  :guts:
Title: Re: Episode 340
Post by: Diivil on September 22, 2015, 04:52:59 PM
I always wondered, what did ganishka's fog do when daiba inhaled it?
Title: Re: Episode 340
Post by: Aazealh on September 22, 2015, 04:58:57 PM
Pre-ordered my Young Animal copy yesterday; I did that for the two previous issues and I'll do that every time a new Berserk episode is coming out from now on.  :guts:

Good man.

I always wondered, what did ganishka's fog do when daiba inhaled it?

It's never explicitly stated, but I think it enhanced his magical faculties. For example, with the lesser mystics it seemed to allow them to control the Pishacha. It probably was the same for him, allowing him to stay in charge of the whole "demon corps" thing they had going, and specifically the Kundalini itself, whose power he used abundantly.
Title: Re: Episode 340
Post by: Rhombaad on September 22, 2015, 05:27:22 PM
I always wondered, what did ganishka's fog do when daiba inhaled it?

I've always assumed it enhanced his magical abilities.
Title: Re: Episode 340
Post by: Wesker90 on September 22, 2015, 05:43:40 PM
I don't know why, but Rakshas apostle form reminds me of the one who had Casca with his tentacles during the eclipse...

http://i.imgur.com/5Qtb685.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/U2olEyT.jpg
Title: Re: Episode 340
Post by: Mangetsu on September 22, 2015, 06:31:19 PM
Great Episode !

Loved Silat in this episode, so glad that we got to see the Urumi again. His clash with Rakshas was absolutely badass, especially when he slashed his  face. This whole team work between the Bakiraka and Rickert was purely awsome.

Rakshas using the same trick as Guts from Lost Children was insane, he just casually ripped a horse apart and used it as a fire extinguisher  :ganishka:

Title: Re: Episode 340
Post by: jackson_hurley on September 22, 2015, 06:31:50 PM
What a fantastic episode. I'm always amazed at how much Miura can cram into approximately 20 pages.

So true! I'm having a hard time fitting 8 pages for my own episodes of a comic I'm working for fun. The man his a genius, or maybe I don't have good narative skills for comics.  :ganishka:
Title: Re: Episode 340
Post by: RaffoBaffo on September 22, 2015, 06:37:43 PM
I don't know why, but Rakshas apostle form reminds me of the one who had Casca with his tentacles during the eclipse...

http://i.imgur.com/5Qtb685.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/U2olEyT.jpg
Nah, I don't think he's a dick XD
Title: Re: Episode 340
Post by: m on September 22, 2015, 06:48:49 PM
While looking at the episode I was wondering if someone from Griffith's forces will show up due to all what's going on during the fight, be it human or apostle guards. But perhaps the fight will be over before they show up.

She also warns her girls not to try to peep, because if they're caught by the Demon Soldiers, they'll be either killed on the spot or arrested for helping traitors.

Could this mean then that Luka is aware such cases happening in Falconia? It'd be really interesting to know more.
Title: Re: Episode 340
Post by: Aazealh on September 22, 2015, 06:59:20 PM
Could this mean then that Luka is aware such cases happening in Falconia? It'd be really interesting to know more.

Yes, it's the possible implication of that line. It immediately struck me as potentially being a big deal: our first clue about the darker side of living in Falconia. However we can't be 100% sure of the meaning until we see the Japanese dialog.
Title: Re: Episode 340
Post by: Griffith on September 22, 2015, 07:03:00 PM
You guys have Rakshas Apostle form all wrong; he's a Christmas tree (especially all lit up like that =)! The mask on top is the angel/star. :rakshas:

Kidding aside, the situation is literally dreadful (I am full of dread) since from what we know and have just seen of Rakshas it's hard to imagine Erika escaping unscathed, let alone alive (from a literary standpoint, I understand it's unlikely her actually dying now, but seeing Rakshas holding her like that gives me a feeling akin to if she were falling into the open jaws of a shark or into a wood chipper). I mean, the only glimmer of hope is he grabbed her at all and didn't just run her through, and it wouldn't be hard to imagine him treating her like that horse just for the psychological edge. Fortunately, Rickert's reaction to her is a double edged sword that, while getting her snatched up right quick, will hopefully spare her for the moment while Rakshas figures out how he wants to use her against them. This subsequently makes me fear for Rickert since I don't think he'd hesitate to offer himself for her. Anyway, unless Daiba, or Griffith, intervene quickly it's hard to imagine a happy outcome. Speaking of which, I'm starting to more seriously consider Rakshas/Locus are acting on their own accord, not necessarily against Griffith's stated wishes, since I imagine they usually have the autonomy to use their own best judgement in such cases, but if it were an explicit order would Rakshas really put it off until getting a new mask (not saying that it couldn't be that way, an open order to take care of it if you will, but one can make a case against it)? Plus, his reiteration that he indeed desires to kill Griffith just reminds me how strange and complex some of these Apostle allegiances are. Even Ganishka was "loyal" in his own way... Anyway, I wouldn't be surprised to see Griffith, the moonlight boy, or Zodd and/or the Apostle squad intervene on his behalf, especially with the fire drawing attention.
Title: Re: Episode 340
Post by: Aazealh on September 22, 2015, 07:17:47 PM
You guys have Rakshas Apostle form all wrong; he's a Christmas tree (especially all lit up like that =)! The mask on top is the angel/star. :rakshas:

I'm not sure whether I should be glad or ashamed that I also thought of that (especially on page 17). :schnoz:
Title: Re: Episode 340
Post by: Walter on September 22, 2015, 07:34:05 PM
I mean, the only glimmer of hope is he grabbed her at all and didn't just run her through, and it wouldn't be hard to imagine him treating her like that horse just for the psychological edge.

Indeed. If Erica was going to die, I imagine she'd already be dead in this episode. Instead, Rakshas now has control of the scenario and can lead them where he wants -- namely, away from a place that's been designed as a trap for him.

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Anyway, I wouldn't be surprised to see Griffith, the moonlight boy, or Zodd and/or the Apostle squad intervene on his behalf, especially with the fire drawing attention.

Yeah, in the last two podcasts we talked about the possibility of other apostles, namely Police Chief Zodd (you heard it here first!) intervening after all this commotion in the human residences. I think that's a foregone conclusion at this point, what with the massive conflagration in this episode. This quick assassination attempt on the outskirts of town has turned into an urban warzone, all in the :griffnotevil: PERFECTLY SAFE  :griffnotevil: imperial capital city.
Title: Re: Episode 340
Post by: Draculoid on September 22, 2015, 08:07:41 PM
What an amazing episode! It feels amazing getting 3 episodes of Berserk in a row like this with no end in sight, it's totally reinvigorated my Berserk hype  :guts:

Rakshas is my favorite Apostle so seeing this much of him lately has definitely made me happy. After getting a platinum trophy in Bloodborne yesterday it's been on my mind and I couldn't help but think Rakshas' apostle form would look right at home as a souls boss  :P.  I know that applies to alot of Berserk characters and the games themselves draw on and reference Berserk often but he especially reminded me of Wet Nurse Mergo (being the last boss I fought for my ending) with maybe a bit of Paarl and Nito mixed in .

http://cdn.segmentnext.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/03/Mergo%E2%80%99s-Wet-Nurse.png

Very interested to see how they're going to escape this one. Cannot wait for the new podcast!
Title: Re: Episode 340
Post by: Admiral_Yang_Wen-li on September 22, 2015, 09:48:31 PM
Pretty good episode. I agree with Walter that it's likely for another apostle to intervene and that Rakshas/Locus are working on their own. Erica will also likely escape unscathed. Or Daiba could make an important appearance. I highly doubt he'll be of no use this episode since it's the first we've seen of him since Ganishka.
Title: Re: Episode 340
Post by: Hexates on September 22, 2015, 10:39:31 PM
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I'm so delighted to be here - and just in time for...

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(http://fs2.directupload.net/images/150923/qllnlrcw.jpg)

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Title: Re: Episode 340
Post by: Skeleton on September 23, 2015, 08:50:53 AM
She also warns her girls not to try to peep, because if they're caught by the Demon Soldiers, they'll be either killed on the spot or arrested for helping traitors.

Falconia sounds like a utopia to me.  :magni:

By the way, thank you for the summary, Aaz.  I sincerely appreciate your hard work, and Puella's hard work, for us and the forum. 

(http://fs2.directupload.net/images/150923/qllnlrcw.jpg)

The thing I love about those two panels is how Silat and Rakshas are essentially using the same fighting style (or very similar styles).  I think it's pretty badass on Miura's part to include that, a subtle detail that shows Rakshas' past/training as a Bakiraka.
Title: Re: Episode 340
Post by: Griffith on September 23, 2015, 02:47:34 PM
The thing I love about those two panels is how Silat and Rakshas are essentially using the same fighting style (or very similar styles).  I think it's pretty badass on Miura's part to include that, a subtle detail that shows Rakshas' past/training as a Bakiraka.

I think it's most remarkable, and it's indeed one of my favorites from this episode, because it's the most recognizably humanoid Rakshas has looked, where we can clearly see what, at that moment, appears to be two arms, legs, hands, and even fingers and a thumb (plus we can see his pokers come out of his "feet" as well to mirror Silat's attack =). I think it says a lot that this spectacular pose, I love the way his body is seemingly twisting/coiling, is the most "ordinary" he's looked (the usually statuesque and no less spectacularly posed Silat provides a nice juxtaposition).
Title: Re: Episode 340
Post by: Aazealh on September 23, 2015, 04:18:22 PM
By the way, thank you for the summary, Aaz.  I sincerely appreciate your hard work, and Puella's hard work, for us and the forum.

Glad you enjoy it! Puella deserves most of the praise.

The thing I love about those two panels is how Silat and Rakshas are essentially using the same fighting style (or very similar styles).  I think it's pretty badass on Miura's part to include that, a subtle detail that shows Rakshas' past/training as a Bakiraka.

I agree, I thought it was just awesome to see a Bakiraka vs Bakiraka fight. All in all I think these past few episodes have been absolutely marvelous. It's really a great time to be a Berserk fan.
Title: Re: Episode 340
Post by: N7Paladin on September 23, 2015, 05:39:34 PM
Glad you enjoy it! Puella deserves most of the praise.

I agree, I thought it was just awesome to see a Bakiraka vs Bakiraka fight. All in all I think these past few episodes have been absolutely marvelous. It's really a great time to be a Berserk fan.

340 is by far my favorite episode since we've been in Falconia. I said the same thing when 338, and 339 came out.

Miura delivers, 340 had that classic Berserk feeling to me. Seeing Silat put up a real fight with an apostle, finally revealing Rakshas' apostle form, and what Rakshas did to that horse.....  :isidro:

I can't wait for more.

Title: Re: Episode 340
Post by: JMP on September 24, 2015, 01:32:16 AM
Wow, what an episode! I liked the way the lighting looks when the flares go off around Rakshas, very theatrical.  :guts: And even though I didn't initially like the thought of a different one, the new mask is pretty darn cool. Thanks, Aazealh and puella for providing the summary!  :serpico:
Title: Re: Episode 340
Post by: filipyoh on September 24, 2015, 11:55:00 AM
Hi, this is my first post here, so I want to say that it's nice to be here, and I think that this forum has the best members of them all. Which is befitting for the best manga/comic/fantasy story ever written and drawn.

I wish to make a little prediction here. I think that the one who will 'save the day' is none other than Griffith and I think that he actually planned this exact or close to this situation. With saving Erika and stopping Rakshas, he'll show that even if something happens in Falconia, he'll be able to protect his people and that if anyone acts out of their will with bad intentions, they'll be stopped by their allmighty (apparently not all knowing) falcon. So it's great spot for him because he's not only a protector of the weak and a merciful saint that forgives those who harm and reject him, but he's also kinda victim here because his soldiers acted without him knowing that, so suddenly he becomes poor Griffith that thrusts everyone even though they are not worthy of his trust. Rickert becomes bad/mad guy for wanting to leave the city and the slap, in eyes of others becomes work of a madman because why would Griffith save Rickert if he had something to hide and deserve the slap.

I want your honest opinions about this theory of mine. Cheers
Title: Re: Episode 340
Post by: Aazealh on September 24, 2015, 12:55:14 PM
Hi, this is my first post here, so I want to say that it's nice to be here, and I think that this forum has the best members of them all. Which is befitting for the best manga/comic/fantasy story ever written and drawn.

Hey man, welcome! Now that's what I call starting off on the right foot! :iva:

I wish to make a little prediction here. I think that the one who will 'save the day' is none other than Griffith and I think that he actually planned this exact or close to this situation. With saving Erika and stopping Rakshas, he'll show that even if something happens in Falconia, he'll be able to protect his people and that if anyone acts out of their will with bad intentions, they'll be stopped by their allmighty (apparently not all knowing) falcon. So it's great spot for him because he's not only a protector of the weak and a merciful saint that forgives those who harm and reject him, but he's also kinda victim here because his soldiers acted without him knowing that, so suddenly he becomes poor Griffith that thrusts everyone even though they are not worthy of his trust. Rickert becomes bad/mad guy for wanting to leave the city and the slap, in eyes of others becomes work of a madman because why would Griffith save Rickert if he had something to hide and deserve the slap.

I want your honest opinions about this theory of mine. Cheers

Honestly, I don't see it. From what Luka says (about traitors) to he way the situation has evolved (with Rakshas seemingly acting on his own), it seems quite unlikely to me that this was an elaborate set up. Besides, Rickert and the Bakiraka are hardly Griffith's people. They're actively trying to flee the city and will more than likely end up opposing him down the line. And so far practically no one knows about them or the events that transpired when Rickert met Griffith, so why bring attention to that? I don't see the benefit for Griffith in passing as a weak leader who gets violently rejected by old comrades and can't control his monstrous servants. In my opinion, the false utopia were everyone is happy and nothing bad happens still is the way to go as far as he's concerned.
Title: Re: Episode 340
Post by: Lithrael on September 24, 2015, 01:39:34 PM
Welcome filip!

Quite so.  I do think a rescue will be at hand; story-structure-wise I'd expect Daiba.  But Sonia showing up with Grunbeld or somebody as backup is 100% more likely than Griffith.  It would be a pretty big shift in Griffith's character to be personally interested in Rickert again after more or less coming to a close on the story of their relationship.  Griffith does not have anything to prove to Rickert.  Even if he did want to see Rickert safe out of the city for whatever reason he'd send someone else to take care of it. 
Title: Re: Episode 340
Post by: Walter on September 24, 2015, 01:48:41 PM
Filipyoh, I like the idea you pose! The idea of Griffith swooping down and putting a stop to this himself is very appealing and dramatic in my head. But like others, I think it would be a little too heavy handed, even for Griffith. That being said, I look forward to the potential conversation he might have with Rakshas once he gets word of the peace being disrupted in such a dramatic fashion.
Title: Re: Episode 340
Post by: DarkAdin on September 24, 2015, 04:50:08 PM
I'm with Lithrael. I'd expect Daiba to come near and party with our friends Bakiraka and Rickert. Why? Because I expected (and probably many of us) Daiba to say some words to Silat and the Tapasa in the last EPISODE, a little encounter; that didn't happen, he kept himself unnoticed. So this is the golden time for him, if he's ever going to appear in the near future.
I like the idea of Griffith putting some order in the scene though. But now that we are theorizing... Just THINK how real shit would get if Locus was to appear. :rakshas:
Title: Re: Episode 340
Post by: Walter on September 24, 2015, 04:52:41 PM
Yeah, a lot of us called the Daiba intervention in the last episode thread. (http://www.skullknight.net/forum/index.php?topic=14753.msg236446#msg236446) It's even more plausible now.

But now that we are theorizing... Just THINK how real shit would get if Locus was to appear. :rakshas:

"This was supposed to be a SILENT assassination! If I had wanted to incinerate this rabble, I would have sent Grunbeld!"  :mozgus:
Title: Re: Episode 340
Post by: filipyoh on September 24, 2015, 06:55:31 PM
Thank you very much for your responses, I see your point. It makes more sense that way, especially Walter's point about sending Grunbeld to do the job. XD
Thank you all for your kind welcome and I hope that we'll continue to exchange our thoughts, not in the weird telepathy way though.  :???:
Title: Re: Episode 340
Post by: Delta Phi on September 24, 2015, 07:36:13 PM
Reading this latest discussion abiut Griffith showing up put a really neat scene in my mind.

Imagine: Rakshas is about to murder Erika when suddenly something catches his eye(s). Suddenly he releases the girl and reduces his form. In the distance we see Griffith barely visible in the flame light, eyes feline and wild not unlike when he threaten Minster Foss. Without a single word, Griffith turns and walks away into the darkness. Classic Griffith. Rakshas becomes painfully aware he's upset the peace in the Falcon's city and slinks away in the darkness.

Doesn't really add up, but, personally, would be a cool moment. And assert Griffiths total (mostly) omnipotent control of his city.

Or, you know, Daiba swoops in.
Title: Re: Episode 340
Post by: Aazealh on September 24, 2015, 08:09:10 PM
Thank you very much for your responses, I see your point. It makes more sense that way, especially Walter's point about sending Grunbeld to do the job. XD

I still don't think Locus holds any particular authority over either Rakshas or Grunbeld though.
Title: Re: Episode 340
Post by: Tripas on September 24, 2015, 11:18:22 PM
What I'm most interested to see is the consequences of this event. The street has become a battleground. How will people react to this? Whatever happens, I clearly see Griffith sending a false message to the masses, in order to mantain the control.

That said, incredible episode. I liked much more Rakshas' old mask, but still he has got a cool one!
Title: Re: Episode 340
Post by: Lithrael on September 25, 2015, 11:58:07 AM
What I'm most interested to see is the consequences of this event. The street has become a battleground. How will people react to this? Whatever happens, I clearly see Griffith sending a false message to the masses, in order to mantain the control.

Yeah, I'm curious about this too.  And about what kind of reprimand Rakshas will get for starting such a fight in the city, or if he'll be excused since it was with non-citizens, or if he is generally excused for being Rakshas.  And whether anyone will try to punish the Bakiraka for using fire in a fight in the city/fighting in the city instead of going to some kind of authority to complain about Rakshas  :???:  Or if none of that will really come up due to the whole party leaving at great speed  :casca:
Title: Re: Episode 340
Post by: Walter on September 25, 2015, 12:38:38 PM
If the Bakiraka get caught, I'd imagine they'd be killed. The Bakiraka don't live under Falconian rule. They're basically infiltrators here.
Title: Re: Episode 340
Post by: Lithrael on September 25, 2015, 01:27:33 PM
Ah yes.  I had somehow forgotten that they just snuck in like 24 pages ago.  I shall turn in my 'paying attention' badge.   :troll: 
Title: Re: Episode 340
Post by: Griffith on September 25, 2015, 01:52:18 PM
I'm wondering how they're supposed to escape at all, Garuda or not, if the Zodd Squad gets on their trail. Plus, Rakshas likely knows where they're going anyway (Zodd + Rakshas, True Detective season 3). Anyway, short of killing Rakshas and fleeing the scene before anyone picks up their trail I don't see how they get away clean without Zodd's or Griffith's, somehow more likely, blessing (I don't think Zodd's benevolent respect towards Guts extends to Rickert =). Then again, maybe I'm still extending these assholes too much respect since they've already proven to be less than infallible the last few episodes and the Bakiraka a formidable match, "WHERE'D HE GO!!?"
Title: Re: Episode 340
Post by: Walter on September 25, 2015, 02:21:19 PM
I'm wondering how they're supposed to escape at all, Garuda or not, if the Zodd Squad gets on their trail.

Final page of next episode: Griffith raises his hand, holding Zodd back as Rickert, Erica, Silat and the Tapasa make off on Garuda. Shit — that's a lot of people on poor Garry's back!

As long as Griffith himself doesn't appear in front of the nameless others in town, it's no skin off his back if Rickert and the others escape.

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Plus, Rakshas likely knows where they're going anyway

Damn, that's a great point. It is afterall where they've called home for centuries.  But again, see above.
Title: Re: Episode 340
Post by: Aazealh on September 25, 2015, 03:23:27 PM
What I'm most interested to see is the consequences of this event. The street has become a battleground. How will people react to this? Whatever happens, I clearly see Griffith sending a false message to the masses, in order to mantain the control.

I actually wonder if we'll get to see the aftermath of all this. Both from the citizens' point of view as well as a possible talk between Griffith and Rakshas about it. It would certainly be interesting, but I could also see Miura not bothering with it, which would help keep us in the dark a little longer about Falconia's dirty secrets.

I liked much more Rakshas' old mask, but still he has got a cool one!

It's true, we haven't talked much about the new mask, given all that went down. I agree it's not as badass as the previous one, but I enjoy its flamboyance. And it also makes sense in a way that he was actually wearing the better one to begin with. :rakshas:

Yeah, I'm curious about this too.  And about what kind of reprimand Rakshas will get for starting such a fight in the city, or if he'll be excused since it was with non-citizens, or if he is generally excused for being Rakshas.

I don't imagine it'd be much more than a slap on the wrist. Although I'd love seeing Femto rough him up in the process, force-blasting him into a wall with a pupil's contraction.

I'm wondering how they're supposed to escape at all, Garuda or not, if the Zodd Squad gets on their trail.

I wonder what Zodd's been up to, actually. It's kind of suspicious than we haven't seen him, especially since we've seen all the others. I wonder if he's out there in the wild (or in Skellig?! :isidro:) massacring astral creatures. Fantasia must be a wet dream for him in that regard, well worth serving Griffith for that alone: the prospect of countless battles.

Plus, Rakshas likely knows where they're going anyway (Zodd + Rakshas, True Detective season 3).

Would he have leave to go away for an extended period of time, though? And in order to hunt Rickert down, which might go against Griffith's wishes?

Final page of next episode: Griffith raises his hand, holding Zodd back as Rickert, Erica, Silat and the Tapasa make off on Garuda. Shit — that's a lot of people on poor Garry's back!

As long as Griffith himself doesn't appear in front of the nameless others in town, it's no skin off his back if Rickert and the others escape.

Lest you forget, Griffith might very well be currently unavailable due to the full moon. :slan:
Title: Re: Episode 340
Post by: jackson_hurley on September 25, 2015, 03:26:31 PM

Lest you forget, Griffith might very well be currently unavailable due to the full moon. :slan:

Oh I totally forgot about that full moon but still, I like Walter's scenario of him lifting his hand stopping Zodd or whoever from pursuing them. After all, who can hurt him anyway?  :rickert:  :guts: That is if indeed he is here... Haha


Apostle or not, I don't think Rakshas would be stupid enough to go in a place with lots of people extremely skilled. Of course if he did go with other apostles that's something entirely different. But then again I don't think Griffith cares about what happens outside Falconia. He's too stuck up with his big city and his unknown plan probably.
Title: Re: Episode 340
Post by: Lithrael on September 25, 2015, 03:42:45 PM
Lest you forget, Griffith might very well be currently unavailable due to the full moon. :slan:

It's just occurred to me that if it ever turns out that anyone besides moonlight boy can use the world tree network to get around, it'll make the Berserk 'world map' a heck of a lot smaller.  At present it seems like moonlight boy and Skull Knight himself are the only worldly entities we know of that seem to be able to travel great distances at will.  (And moonlight boy was always able to poof himself around by hundreds of yards at least.)  Though I don't recall if Griffith has gone anywhere very far since the tree went up, so we wouldn't know yet if he still uses the Zodd Express.  (and also of course the ongoing opacity of the griffith/boy venn diagram)
Title: Re: Episode 340
Post by: Walter on September 25, 2015, 04:32:30 PM
Lest you forget, Griffith might very well be currently unavailable due to the full moon. :slan:

Pff, how could I forget?  :schierke:

...I did.  :judo:

It's just occurred to me that if it ever turns out that anyone besides moonlight boy can use the world tree network to get around, it'll make the Berserk 'world map' a heck of a lot smaller.

I expect the return trip from Elfhelm won't necessarily involve another boat. As for who else has access to that kind of power, I imagine the Elf King can do that. The thing is, the world spiral tree is a very new phenomenon, and we don't exactly know the tree's nature yet. Lots of variables in play. There'll be a lot to discuss about that tree, once we know a little bit more about it.

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Though I don't recall if Griffith has gone anywhere very far since the tree went up

He hasn't left Falconia, as far as we know. Unless you count the child's activities.
Title: Re: Episode 340
Post by: Griffith on September 25, 2015, 07:01:36 PM
I actually wonder if we'll get to see the aftermath of all this. Both from the citizens' point of view as well as a possible talk between Griffith and Rakshas about it. It would certainly be interesting, but I could also see Miura not bothering with it, which would help keep us in the dark a little longer about Falconia's dirty secrets.
I don't imagine it'd be much more than a slap on the wrist. Although I'd love seeing Femto rough him up in the process, force-blasting him into a wall with a pupil's contraction.

Next time we see him he'll be chained to the front of Griffith's horse like Fez in The Road Warrior. :guts:

It's true, we haven't talked much about the new mask, given all that went down. I agree it's not as badass as the previous one, but I enjoy its flamboyance. And it also makes sense in a way that he was actually wearing the better one to begin with. :rakshas:

Well, let's be real, the whole excuse of and design for his new, bigger, more flamboyant mask is really meant to compliment his apostle form. :iva: To that end it's perfect, too; even the ruffles compliment the texture of his body now.

I wonder what Zodd's been up to, actually. It's kind of suspicious than we haven't seen him, especially since we've seen all the others. I wonder if he's out there in the wild (or in Skellig?! :isidro:) massacring astral creatures. Fantasia must be a wet dream for him in that regard, well worth serving Griffith for that alone: the prospect of countless battles.

He's the Lord of Underworld while Femto is topside, watching from under furrowed brow on his iron throne! :zodd: Though, like you say, Zodd's more of a rolling stone that would seemingly prefer being out in the field than sitting home playing police or bodyguard (to someone that hardly needs it). Hard to imagine him away from Griffith too long though unless he has a specific, significant purpose like Flora's house.

Would he have leave to go away for an extended period of time, though? And in order to hunt Rickert down, which might go against Griffith's wishes?

With the disclaimer we don't yet know the extent and effectiveness of its defenses, it's already not such a great "hiding" place; if they want them, they'll know where to find them, in any case.

Pff, how could I forget?  :schierke:

...I did.  :judo:

Imagine a little naked boy wandering in and stopping Rakshas with his knub dangling and you'll feel better. :ganishka:

Btw, after all that joking around on the pod about werewolves, it's kind of funny that Griffith may actually be a wereboy afflicted by the full moon.
Title: Re: Episode 340
Post by: Lono on September 26, 2015, 05:30:23 AM
Great episode, thanks Puella and Aaz for the summary!
Title: Re: Episode 340
Post by: Aazealh on September 26, 2015, 09:17:44 AM
It's just occurred to me that if it ever turns out that anyone besides moonlight boy can use the world tree network to get around, it'll make the Berserk 'world map' a heck of a lot smaller.

Same as Walter, I don't expect the return trip from Elfhelm to involve another sea journey.

Well, let's be real, the whole excuse of and design for his new, bigger, more flamboyant mask is really meant to compliment his apostle form. :iva: To that end it's perfect, too; even the ruffles compliment the texture of his body now.

Is that how you see it? I think the old mask would have worked just as well. In my opinion, all these events were made to provide for cool battles and cool reveals about Rakshas, and the new mask's design is only an accessory to that.

With the disclaimer we don't yet know the extent and effectiveness of its defenses, it's already not such a great "hiding" place; if they want them, they'll know where to find them, in any case.

Since they haven't been living there recently, it would only be one possibility among others, but I agree that Rakshas would likely be clued in on its location. That being said, he would still probably need to get leave from Griffith to go on a hunt to a possibly far away location, and on a mission that Griffith might not particularly approve of to begin with.

Anyway, I would love nothing more than for the final confrontation with Rakshas to take place in the Bakiraka's secret hideout, with him trying to take them all on... and maybe Guts' band as well?! :rakshas:
Title: Re: Episode 340
Post by: Griffith on September 26, 2015, 05:24:21 PM
Is that how you see it? I think the old mask would have worked just as well. In my opinion, all these events were made to provide for cool battles and cool reveals about Rakshas, and the new mask's design is only an accessory to that.

Well, yeah, so I don't think it's a coincidence, except in the story's continuity, that he got a new mask in the same episode we see his "new" body, and I'd be surprised if the new mask wasn't designed first and foremost for his transformed state (probably originating with prospective designs of it), but I'm also not sure we see things so differently. I'm not saying the old mask wouldn't have worked, but it also wouldn't have helped differentiate his transformation from his iconic "human" appearance like the new mask does, precisely in the spirit of revelation you mentioned. I even think the old mask had more of a human quality, particularly the eyes, befitting Rakshas' strange and sinister personality, while this one is more primal and animalistic, befitting a depiction of a demon, beast, or monster (just looking at him holding Erika on that last page *shudder*).
Title: Re: Episode 340
Post by: MrFlibble on September 26, 2015, 07:50:45 PM
Lest you forget, Griffith might very well be currently unavailable due to the full moon. :slan:

Didn't Griffith fly under a full moon when he rescued Charlotte?
Title: Re: Episode 340
Post by: Mangetsu on September 26, 2015, 07:57:44 PM
Didn't Griffith fly under a full moon when he rescued Charlotte?

Nope that was not a full moon. A close one though.

One volume later (Volume 28) we had a full moon.
Title: Re: Episode 340
Post by: Delta Phi on September 27, 2015, 03:29:02 AM
Didn't Griffith fly under a full moon when he rescued Charlotte?

To further illustrate Mangetsu's reponse:
(https://ghostlightning.files.wordpress.com/2010/09/berserkv27c235p200201copy.jpg)

Look closely at the upper left side of the moon. It's very clearly not quite (but almost) full.
Title: Re: Episode 340
Post by: Aazealh on September 27, 2015, 11:22:49 AM
Well, yeah, so I don't think it's a coincidence, except in the story's continuity, that he got a new mask in the same episode we see his "new" body, and I'd be surprised if the new mask wasn't designed first and foremost for his transformed state (probably originating with prospective designs of it), but I'm also not sure we see things so differently.

My point is just that I don't think the previous fight with Rakshas was simply an excuse to introduce a new mask to complement his apostle form. That Miura intricately crafted the whole series of events to fit together perfectly is a given though.

I'm not saying the old mask wouldn't have worked, but it also wouldn't have helped differentiate his transformation from his iconic "human" appearance like the new mask does, precisely in the spirit of revelation you mentioned.

Well I agree that this new mask definitely fits his apostle form well. It gives it a distinctive look, although he does start this episode in his "human form" anyway.

I even think the old mask had more of a human quality, particularly the eyes, befitting Rakshas' strange and sinister personality, while this one is more primal and animalistic, befitting a depiction of a demon, beast, or monster

That's... going a bit too deep for me man. :rakshas:
Title: Re: Episode 340
Post by: Griffith on September 27, 2015, 04:50:34 PM
My point is just that I don't think the previous fight with Rakshas was simply an excuse to introduce a new mask to complement his apostle form. That Miura intricately crafted the whole series of events to fit together perfectly is a given though.

Oh, of course the latter, I was just being flippant in my language.

That's... going a bit too deep for me man. :rakshas:

 :ganishka:
Title: Re: Episode 340
Post by: Death May Die on September 27, 2015, 04:50:41 PM
Excellent episode! thanks SK for providing and thanks Aaz for the summary. Made my day!  :guts:
Title: Re: Episode 340
Post by: Runner on September 29, 2015, 06:18:28 PM
I agree that the fire extinguisher/flamethrower isn't a version of Chekhov's gun, but there is one here:  It's the horse-eating monster that Daiba keeps.  I expect Daiba will set it loose on Rakshas in the next episode, and it will keep Rakshas occupied long enough for Erika to be rescued, and maybe even drive him off briefly. 

Miura really knows how to build up the drama.  I was impatient for the manga to get back to Guts & Co., but now I'm drawn back to this side of the story. 
Title: Re: Episode 340
Post by: Aazealh on September 29, 2015, 06:54:45 PM
I agree that the fire extinguisher/flamethrower isn't a version of Chekhov's gun, but there is one here:  It's the horse-eating monster that Daiba keeps.

Duuuude I bothered explaining it on page one of this thread (http://www.skullknight.net/forum/index.php?topic=14787.msg236897#msg236897): "Chekhov's gun" is a narrative principle (roughly, that every element in a story needs to serve a purpose). It doesn't just refer to a specific element of a story playing more than one part in it. Berserk does not really follow Chekhov's principle by virtue of its structure and extensiveness, however I could spend a whole day listing instances of elements being introduced early and playing a role later on. That includes both the firehose device and Garuda and half of everything in Berserk. It's just good storytelling!

Miura really knows how to build up the drama.  I was impatient for the manga to get back to Guts & Co., but now I'm drawn back to this side of the story.

Just in time for us to switch back to Guts' side. :slan:
Title: Re: Episode 340
Post by: Theozilla on September 29, 2015, 09:07:25 PM
I'm definitely expecting Daiba & Garuda to swoop into Erica's rescue next episode (Erica helping Daiba out with his leg/knee wasn't likely put in for no reason in the previous episodes), that and/or some sort of intervention from the Moonlight Boy, since the full moon is out. Regardless of the method though I would pretty surprised if Erica got killed off.

I mean, I've noticed a lot of (what I presume to be) younger fans on other websites kinda overstating Miura's willingness/tendency to kill off protagonist characters. As outside of The Eclipse (which was in a flashback and had a huge amount of buildup involved with it), the only significant named protagonist/"good guy" characters that Miura has killed off has been Shisu/Sys, Godo, Flora, Chitch, and Serpico's mother (if one is very generous with the term "good guy"); with three of those deaths still being in flashbacks and the other two characters either died of old age/natural causes or were already in the process of doing so and none of them were particularly gorey.
Most character deaths in Berserk, outside of The Eclipse, are usually either unnamed masses/soldiers/villagers and/or antagonistic characters. I think it would be very atypical of Miura's writing patterns to kill Erica in this relatively sudden (not much build-up) manner.
Title: Re: Episode 340
Post by: Griffith on September 30, 2015, 02:26:36 PM
I mean, I've noticed a lot of (what I presume to be) younger fans on other websites kinda overstating Miura's willingness/tendency to kill off protagonist characters.

Yeah, and I think part of the problem is we also have two anime series now that punctuate the singular event where a large portion of the popular supporting cast died, out of necessity really, and that skews perception like Miura's the George RR Martin of manga or something and it's all ultimately leading to him killing everybody again (btw, I also think that being a popular GoT trope contributes to this thinking). On the contrary, Miura shows a lot care for his cast, to the point that characters that were always destined to die became so endearing. I'm sure not everybody will make it out alive, and maybe the ending will see the death of a majority of characters , but I'm also sure the cast we have now is the one we're going to ride the series out with, and they're not just around to be abruptly taken away so poor Guts has to start over again.
Title: Re: Episode 340
Post by: Deci on September 30, 2015, 02:30:33 PM
Ahhhh! NOT MY DARLING ERIKA NO! Bad Rakshas! Can't wait for the next episode to see how she lives! ^_^ I'd personally love to see Luka get involved somehow. I'm guessing Rickert will do something VERY dramatic, so exciting!

♡ BERSERK
Thanks Miura!
Title: Re: Episode 340
Post by: Walter on September 30, 2015, 03:02:48 PM
I'm definitely expecting Daiba & Garuda to swoop into Erica's rescue next episode (Erica helping Daiba out with his leg/knee wasn't likely put in for no reason in the previous episodes), that and/or some sort of intervention from the Moonlight Boy, since the full moon is out. Regardless of the method though I would pretty surprised if Erica got killed off.

While I of course agree, it'll be interesting to see exactly how Daiba manages this.

A transformed Rakshas is formidable. So I don't think it'll be as simple as swooping down and snatching Erika out of Rakshas' tendrils. I could be underestimating it, but Garuda hasn't shown any special abilities, other than flight. Normally I'd say Daiba could whip up some spell, but heretofore, his powerful abilities relied on the Kundalini, granted him by Ganishka. We've seen him perform a few parlor-tricks from his own power since then, but nothing that would be even a passing threat to Rakshas.

PS: Completely off topic, but thinking about the possibilities Daiba has at his disposal made me think about what Schierke would do in this situation. I imagine she'd reach out and see if there are elemental entities in the area. What kind of entity would she pull from Falconia...?  :isidro:
Title: Re: Episode 340
Post by: Judo on September 30, 2015, 04:55:33 PM
I imagine she'd reach out and see if there are elemental entities in the area. What kind of entity would she pull from Falconia...?  :isidro:

Now that you mention it... iirc we have not seen her reach out for deeper layers since the merging of the worlds, or am I forgetting something?
It will be very interesting to see how this influences her connection to certain spiritual entities.
Title: Re: Episode 340
Post by: Johnny Apples on September 30, 2015, 05:15:55 PM
While I of course agree, it'll be interesting to see exactly how Daiba manages this.

A transformed Rakshas is formidable. So I don't think it'll be as simple as swooping down and snatching Erika out of Rakshas' tendrils. I could be underestimating it, but Garuda hasn't shown any special abilities, other than flight. Normally I'd say Daiba could whip up some spell, but heretofore, his powerful abilities relied on the Kundalini, granted him by Ganishka. We've seen him perform a few parlor-tricks from his own power since then, but nothing that would be even a passing threat to Rakshas.

Even if incapable of physically harming Rakshas, can't Daiba's remaining powers at least be enough to distract Rakshas long enough to enable Rickert or Silat to strike a (possibly fatal) blow on him? Those parlor tricks that Daiba showed off in his shed was to scare off the pestering little kids. But he could still have something up his sleeve, just in case of a catastrophic situation. Certainly not the same formidable Eastern magic that he had while under Ganishka's patronage, naturally, but still something better than just charming the horses and cattle. 

PS: Completely off topic, but thinking about the possibilities Daiba has at his disposal made me think about what Schierke would do in this situation. I imagine she'd reach out and see if there are elemental entities in the area. What kind of entity would she pull from Falconia...?  :isidro:

That is a very good question. Whatever elements Schierke would summon, they'd have to be something that can immobilize Rakshas. That elemental entity would have to be something that he fears more than anything. Seeing as how hurriedly he doused the flames on his body with that poor horse's blood and entrails, does that mean he is averse to heat? Or is it the light from the fire that repels him? 
Title: Re: Episode 340
Post by: Aazealh on September 30, 2015, 05:34:06 PM
I'm definitely expecting Daiba & Garuda to swoop into Erica's rescue next episode (Erica helping Daiba out with his leg/knee wasn't likely put in for no reason in the previous episodes)

Well it already served multiple purposes when she did: getting the reader reacquainted with Daiba, shedding some light on why he was always levitating before and showing him under a sympathetic angle, getting both Luka and Daiba to know about Rickert's talents, having them Erika, Rickert and Guts might be related... But yeah, it's definitely one more factor weighing in favor of his intervention. And beyond all of that, there's really no way that Erika will be killed.

Shisu/Sys, Godo, Flora, Chitch

Just using this opportunity to remind everyone that the official spellings are Erika and Luka with a K. And while these aren't confirmed, I would recommend Godot and Chich too.

that skews perception like Miura's the George RR Martin of manga or something and it's all ultimately leading to him killing everybody again (btw, I also think that being a popular GoT trope contributes to this thinking).

Distasteful comparison. :miura: By the way, random trivia but the Eclipse was prepublished in Young Animal before A Game of Thrones (first book of ASoIF) even came out.

On the contrary, Miura shows a lot care for his cast, to the point that characters that were always destined to die became so endearing. I'm sure not everybody will make it out alive, and maybe the ending will see the death of a majority of characters , but I'm also sure the cast we have now is the one we're going to ride the series out with, and they're not just around to be abruptly taken away so poor Guts has to start over again.

Yep. The idea that characters must die is based on a fundamental misconception about the series. And it usually doesn't come alone.

While I of course agree, it'll be interesting to see exactly how Daiba manages this.

A transformed Rakshas is formidable. So I don't think it'll be as simple as swooping down and snatching Erika out of Rakshas' tendrils. I could be underestimating it, but Garuda hasn't shown any special abilities, other than flight. Normally I'd say Daiba could whip up some spell, but heretofore, his powerful abilities relied on the Kundalini, granted him by Ganishka. We've seen him perform a few parlor-tricks from his own power since then, but nothing that would be even a passing threat to Rakshas.

Yes, that is the actual heart of the issue here. While it's a given Daiba will intervene, it's not like he's any more of a match for Rakshas in this state than the Bakiraka are. So, let's talk about some possibilities!

First off, I do quite like the idea Griff mentioned on the podcast, that Rakshas might have picked up Erika to extinguish the small fire that still remains on his body. I believe it's what he's going for (with extra teasing to the others along the way obviously). Second, while Daiba isn't much of a magic user compared to Schierke, I think he might still have a few tricks up his sleeve that'll help here. For example, if he could manage to fan up the little fire remaining, he could get Rakshas distracted enough to allow the Bakiraka to flee while he'd carry Erika and Rickert away on the Garuda's back. By the way, it's worth noting that Daiba was not seen at all in this episode, meaning he could have easily been getting ready for rumble. Let's also remember it's the full moon, and that during the full moon, magic is much more powerful than usual.

Finally, Rakshas is now covered in horse blood (and guts), and it has been established that the Garuda does quite enjoy those things. Maybe it'll just bum-rush him. :void: Still regarding the Garuda, while its capacities have seemed pretty limited so far, it's possible it might have grown more powerful (getting fed in that shed) since we last saw it, or that it had abilities that hadn't been demonstrated yet (e.g. spitting fire). One limitation in a possible escape scenario through the air is that the Garuda's back might accomodate 3 people, but probably not 6. However Silat and the Tapasa could conceivably escape on horseback (the stable's been damaged, which might facilitate that), or even possibly by running away if Rakshas is distracted enough. Speaking of horses, Daiba's skills could also come handy here, for example by using them as way to slow Rakshas down.

All in all, I'm almost as excited to see what Daiba's got cooked up as I was to see Silat finally use the Urumis again. It's his moment. Show us what you got, grandpa! :daiba:

PS: Completely off topic, but thinking about the possibilities Daiba has at his disposal made me think about what Schierke would do in this situation. I imagine she'd reach out and see if there are elemental entities in the area. What kind of entity would she pull from Falconia...?  :isidro:

Not so fast! Remember Vritannis: a human city is not the best of places to summon spiritual entities. And using her astral body near a member of the God Hand... Like she said in Shet, that could be dangerous. That being said, it will be interesting to hear what she has to say about the World Spiral Tree. Also, in a place where mankind is so concentrated, what manner of being could she possibly sense? I wonder... :idea:

As for this specific situation, I imagine the Blaze Wheel would do the trick, provided there is enough warlike karma around.

Now that you mention it... iirc we have not seen her reach out for deeper layers since the merging of the worlds, or am I forgetting something?

Nope, you're right!

Certainly not the same formidable Eastern magic that he had while under Ganishka's patronage

It wasn't really "eastern magic" though, just a different (and lesser) way to understand how magic works, mixed with an apostle's power. But the principles are the same and Schierke could understand everything he was doing.
Title: Re: Episode 340
Post by: Squiddot on October 01, 2015, 04:56:25 AM
While everyone's discussing Daiba's hypothetical power level lets remember his 'life work' involved dozens of apostles being subdued and stitched together alive. Now the way I interpret 'life work' is that Daiba is clearly much older than Ganishka, who furthermore became an apostle in his seniority, so its possible he was creating the majority of the man made Beherit without any aid from Ganishka's army at its height.

If he did indeed capture these apostles alone. Then he must be capable of either powerful magic we haven't been shown yet, or he simply has a specific trick for dealing with apostles, possibly in a similar vein to the 'hypnotic suggestion' he used on the horses and Erika in the earlier episodes but massively beefed up.
Title: Re: Episode 340
Post by: N7Paladin on October 01, 2015, 05:04:47 AM
While everyone's discussing Daiba's hypothetical power level lets remember his 'life work' involved dozens of apostles being subdued and stitched together alive. Now the way I interpret 'life work' is that Daiba is clearly much older than Ganishka, who furthermore became an apostle in his seniority, so its possible he was creating the majority of the man made Beherit without any aid from Ganishka's army at its height.

If he did indeed capture these apostles alone. Then he must be capable of either powerful magic we haven't been shown yet, or he simply has a specific trick for dealing with apostles, possibly in a similar vein to the 'hypnotic suggestion' he used on the horses and Erika in the earlier episodes but massively beefed up.

I don't think it being his 'life's work' means he's older than Ganishka at all. Daiba capturing and patching together all those Apostles without any help from Ganishka is hard to believe, at least to me.

Are we ever given a specific time for Ganishka's age, or at least how long he was emperor? I don't recall seeing anything about it in my volumes, but I'm only basing this off of my Dark Horse volumes.
Title: Re: Episode 340
Post by: Aazealh on October 01, 2015, 05:52:52 AM
While everyone's discussing Daiba's hypothetical power level [...] its possible he was creating the majority of the man made Beherit without any aid from Ganishka's army at its height.

We aren't discussing Daiba's "power level", and no, it's really quite unlikely that he subdued even a single apostle in his life. Daiba's subjugation and servility to Ganishka is well established in the manga. It's made quite clear that he was heavily depending on him.

I don't think it being his 'life's work' means he's older than Ganishka at all.

It doesn't, however we do know that Daiba was already pretty old when Ganishka was still human, as he was the one who gave him his beherit.
Title: Re: Episode 340
Post by: Theozilla on October 01, 2015, 06:07:12 AM
Just using this opportunity to remind everyone that the official spellings are Erika and Luka with a K. And while these aren't confirmed, I would recommend Godot and Chich too.
Out of curiosity, when/where was it established that Erika and Luka were the official spellings? (I just go off the the Dark Horse spellings typically since that's what I read first). Also why is Godot and Chich recommended over Dark Horse's Godo and Chitch? Doesn't Dark Horse's spellings get the benefit of the doubt on being official until other official sources directly contradict it? (or there is a compelling argument based on existing mythology like with Beherit vs. Behelit and Rakshas vs. Raksas)

I don't think it being his 'life's work' means he's older than Ganishka at all. Daiba capturing and patching together all those Apostles without any help from Ganishka is hard to believe, at least to me.

Are we ever given a specific time for Ganishka's age, or at least how long he was emperor? I don't recall seeing anything about it in my volumes, but I'm only basing this off of my Dark Horse volumes.
I think it is fair to assume Daiba is older than Ganishka since it was shown that Daiba was already fairly old when he gave Ganishka (who was still relatively youthful) his beherit. But regardless I don't think Daiba being older than Ganishka indicates much about his magical power levels/skills.
Title: Re: Episode 340
Post by: Aazealh on October 01, 2015, 07:26:50 AM
Out of curiosity, when/where was it established that Erika and Luka were the official spellings?

In Young Animal, two months ago.

So I finally got my physical copy of YA and one thing no one else mentioned is that the booklet has a character sheet with two new official spellings: Luka and Erika. So consider that the official SK.net notice: Cs now uncool, Ks are in demand.

Those character sheets are the most reliable source we have for spellings outside of a direct word from Miura.

Also why is Godot and Chich recommended over Dark Horse's Godo and Chitch? Doesn't Dark Horse's spellings get the benefit of the doubt on being official until other official sources directly contradict it?

Dark Horse doesn't get the benefit of the doubt because they're just guessing these names (and apparently not putting too much effort into it as they've got half of them wrong). When we talk of official sources, it's strictly from the Japanese publisher.

As for why Godot and Chich? Why it's quite simple: Godot is written "ゴドー", with a long vowel at the end (making it unlikely to end with a simple "o"). It also just so happens to be the name of an (absent) character in a famous play by Samuel Beckett, spelled exactly the same. Therefore, unless Miura says otherwise, it's Godot. And for Chich, I believe the name — aside from being a pun on a rat's noise — is likely a reference to this series: http://chich.jp/ (http://chich.jp/). It is, again, spelled the same in Japanese.
Title: Re: Episode 340
Post by: Theozilla on October 01, 2015, 08:20:29 AM
In Young Animal, two months ago.

Those character sheets are the most reliable source we have for spellings outside of a direct word from Miura.
Ah, gotcha. Thanks for the reminder.

Dark Horse doesn't get the benefit of the doubt because they're just guessing these names (and apparently not putting too much effort into it as they've got half of them wrong). When we talk of official sources, it's strictly from the Japanese publisher.

As for why Godot and Chich? Why it's quite simple: Godot is written "ゴドー", with a long vowel at the end (making it unlikely to end with a simple "o"). It also just so happens to be the name of an (absent) character in a famous play by Samuel Beckett, spelled exactly the same. Therefore, unless Miura says otherwise, it's Godot. And for Chich, I believe the name — aside from being a pun on a rat's noise — is likely a reference to this series: http://chich.jp/ (http://chich.jp/). It is, again, spelled the same in Japanese.
Well the rōmaji for "ゴドー" IIRC would normally just be Godō and it's not that uncommon for translations to simply leave out the macron mark for character's with names like that. But I admit that it being a reference to the French name Godot is the most likely.
Title: Re: Episode 340
Post by: Aazealh on October 01, 2015, 08:41:40 AM
Well the romanji for "ゴドー" IIRC would normally just be Godō and it's not that uncommon for translations to simply leave out the macron mark for character's with names like that. But I admit that it being a reference to the French name Godot is the most likely.

The rōmaji is irrelevant. No self-respecting translator works like that.
Not to mention that in this case it's likely the name was transliterated in Japanese from another language and not vice versa.
Title: Re: Episode 340
Post by: Theozilla on October 02, 2015, 04:59:20 AM
The rōmaji is irrelevant. No self-respecting translator works like that.
Not to mention that in this case it's likely the name was transliterated in Japanese from another language and not vice versa.

I don't see how the rōmaji is completely irrelevant. I mean, all I am trying to say is that if the Dark Horse translator was unaware of the French name Godot (or of the play by Samuel Beckett), then I think choosing the spelling of Godo, from a word whose rōmaji is Godō, is a pretty reasonable choice/conclusion to make.
Title: Re: Episode 340
Post by: Aazealh on October 02, 2015, 07:11:43 AM
I don't see how the rōmaji is completely irrelevant. I mean, all I am trying to say is that if the Dark Horse translator was unaware of the French name Godot (or of the play by Samuel Beckett), then I think choosing the spelling of Godo, from a word whose rōmaji is Godō, is a pretty reasonable choice/conclusion to make.

No offense, but that's because you don't know what you're talking about. Rōmaji's main purpose is to transcribe Japanese names into the Latin alphabet. But here the name is in Katakana, which is used to transcribe foreign names into Japanese. The logic you're proposing does not apply.

Furthermore, you're conflating languages with writing systems. A translator's duty is to look for the meaning of a word, what it refers to, not simply to convert it to a different writing system. That's the difference between a translation and a transcription. And that's why rōmaji is irrelevant. The Katakana tells us all we want to know and is all we need.

As for the specific process of translating the name ゴドー, the fact it has a long vowel is quite likely an indication of the way it's spelled in the original language. The fact a world famous play features the same name spelled the same way only confirms it (it's not really a French name by the way, Beckett made it up). This is why we recommend this spelling. And that's also how we have correctly guessed the spelling of practically every name in the manga over the years. Now can we get back to the episode discussion please?
Title: Re: Episode 340
Post by: Mammon on October 02, 2015, 07:36:07 AM
I could be underestimating it, but Garuda hasn't shown any special abilities, other than flight.

He/it did get zapped (along with Daiba) by an angry Ganishka and recovered pretty quick. IIRC at least, I'm in New Caledonia right now and don't have my volumes to double-check... 

Also, awesome episode (as always, but damn this one was particularly good).

Silat is one of my favorite characters; I bought the 3rd Berserk movie DVD even after suffering through the first 2 ones, well first to support Miura, but also because I had read that Silat gets his duel with Guts in the movie (which was the best part, even if Silat looked a bit more like a psycho than he does in the manga). And I was curious about the eclipse.

His fight with Raksha is great, looks like trained harder than ever after he got humiliated (as he said himself) by Guts.

These last 3 episodes really got me all hyped up again. Next month I'm getting my 2nd Berserk-related tattoo, and now I'm even more impatient than I was before  :ubik:

Thank you guys for these threads, they are the first thing I check after finishing an episode, I always know I'll find some good stuff here.  :slan:
Title: Re: Episode 340
Post by: Theozilla on October 02, 2015, 08:49:05 AM
No offense, but that's because you don't know what you're talking about. Rōmaji's main purpose is to transcribe Japanese names into the Latin alphabet. But here the name is in Katakana, which is used to transcribe foreign names into Japanese. The logic you're proposing does not apply.

Furthermore, you're conflating languages with writing systems. A translator's duty is to look for the meaning of a word, what it refers to, not simply to convert it to a different writing system. That's the difference between a translation and a transcription. And that's why rōmaji is irrelevant. The Katakana tells us all we want to know and is all we need.

As for the specific process of translating the name ゴドー, the fact it has a long vowel is quite likely an indication of the way it's spelled in the original language. The fact a world famous play features the same name spelled the same way only confirms it (it's not really a French name by the way, Beckett made it up). This is why we recommend this spelling. And that's also how we have correctly guessed the spelling of practically every name in the manga over the years. Now can we get back to the episode discussion please?
I know that Katakana is used to transcribe foreign names into Japanese, I think you might be misunderstanding me, I'm not trying to argue that the Dark Horse translation is correct/superior, your explanation on why it isn't is perfectly logical. I'm only trying to say that because the the Dark Horse translator probably did not do as much research as you guys on this site do, they probably couldn't figure out what specific foreign (to Japanese) name the Katakana was referring to, so they likely just went with the Latin transcription of the name. I'm just saying I think it's an understandable mistake, not that isn't a mistake, that's all.
And while the name Godot may not be a French name, the play was originally written in French (which informs us of the pronunciation of the word having a silent "t" at the end).
Title: Re: Episode 340
Post by: Aazealh on October 02, 2015, 09:13:06 AM
I'm only trying to say that because the the Dark Horse translator probably did not do as much research as you guys on this site do, they probably couldn't figure out what specific foreign (to Japanese) name the Katakana was referring to, so they likely just went with the Latin transcription of the name. I'm just saying I think it's an understandable mistake, not that isn't a mistake, that's all.

Your mistake is to think the translation process somehow has to involve rōmaji while it doesn't. And I disagree, I don't think it's an understandable mistake for a professional translator. It's either a deliberate choice, which can then be argued to be the wrong one, or it's a lack of competence and/or professionalism. Either way, this isn't the proper thread to discuss it.

And while the name Godot may not be a French name, the play was originally written in French (which informs us of the pronunciation of the word having a silent "t" at the end).

Oui merci, t'es gentil coco mais j'ai pas besoin d'explications sur la langue française.
Title: Re: Episode 340
Post by: Aazealh on October 02, 2015, 09:39:16 AM
Miura's comment for this episode was: "J.J. Abrams is a man I can trust!!"

And as a reminder, the digital edition of Young Animal is now out and can be purchased for cheap at http://www.hakusensha-e.net/v_vtop?id=4856 (http://www.hakusensha-e.net/v_vtop?id=4856).
Title: Re: Episode 340
Post by: Walter on October 02, 2015, 10:27:20 AM
Miura's comment for this episode was: "J.J. Abrams is a man I can trust!!"

And as a reminder, the digital edition of Young Animal is now out and can be purchased for cheap at http://www.hakusensha-e.net/v_vtop?id=4856 (http://www.hakusensha-e.net/v_vtop?id=4856).

Aw man, Miura is already nerding out for the new Star Wars, and all I feel is dread...
Title: Re: Episode 340
Post by: jackson_hurley on October 02, 2015, 01:28:45 PM
Aw man, Miura is already nerding out for the new Star Wars, and all I feel is dread...

It's funny cause i trust him too, but I'm not gonna talk about that here. Yesterday I completed my re-reading of berserk again and after volume 37 I got to read the new episodes from here. Shit, the last sequence of these episode back to back is even a thousand time better then they were already every month! Now I'm getting too excited for the next one.
Title: Re: Episode 340
Post by: Rhombaad on October 02, 2015, 05:45:27 PM
Miura's comment for this episode was: "J.J. Abrams is a man I can trust!!"

I love how much of a Star Wars nerd Miura is. I hate to admit it, but I'm geeking out, too. :void:

And as a reminder, the digital edition of Young Animal is now out and can be purchased for cheap at http://www.hakusensha-e.net/v_vtop?id=4856 (http://www.hakusensha-e.net/v_vtop?id=4856).

Thanks for the reminder, Aaz!
Title: Re: Episode 340
Post by: Theozilla on October 02, 2015, 07:00:09 PM
Miura's comment for this episode was: "J.J. Abrams is a man I can trust!!"

And as a reminder, the digital edition of Young Animal is now out and can be purchased for cheap at http://www.hakusensha-e.net/v_vtop?id=4856 (http://www.hakusensha-e.net/v_vtop?id=4856).
Aw man, Miura is already nerding out for the new Star Wars, and all I feel is dread...
Ha, that reminds me of another mangaka, Hiromu Arakawa's nerding out for Star Wars as well.

(https://40.media.tumblr.com/71ce07a5f8481673bc102c9f85345ac2/tumblr_nrz7o0scRj1tilt8xo1_500.jpg)
Title: Re: Episode 340
Post by: Griffith on October 02, 2015, 07:28:01 PM
Aw man, Miura is already nerding out for the new Star Wars, and all I feel is dread...

I understand caution, but don't get what's to dread? If it's bad, that was already the last state of Star Wars at the cinemas. There's nowhere to go but up. :ganishka:

Plus, as I've said, I agree with Miura's sentiment (well, except when it comes to secrets/spoilers, since Abrams is a proven liar =). Everything I've seen/heard has been promisingn and in many ways this is the follow up I always wanted and we should have got, a story that was actually asking to be told, "what happened to these characters next." The fact that its serving as nostalgic childhood wish fulfillment and a last ride suits me just fine, beyond that... I'll probably be more ambilvent about any future Star Wars media, much as I have been, unless this really does bring the goods and isn't just a palatable alternative to the prequel disaster, which is all I ask and expect.
Title: Re: Episode 340
Post by: Walter on October 03, 2015, 01:18:45 AM
I understand caution, but don't get what's to dread? If it's bad, that was already the last state of Star Wars at the cinemas. There's nowhere to go but up. :ganishka:

I'm apathetic about the prospect of another Star Wars trilogy at this point. What I fear is that it'll be less a film and more an exercise in mathematics -- a perfectly executed calculation targeting our nostalgia. But what I truly dread is the slow build up to its release, because the merchandising machine behind this franchise is unlike anything I have ever seen. Seriously, have you been to a Barnes & Nobles or a Target lately? Disney has gone one stop short of choking you as you walk in the store, demanding that you be excited for these movies.  YOU NEED THE KYLO REN MASK! Who's Kylo Re- IT DOESN'T FUCKING MATTER, IT'S STAR WARS SO IT'S FUCKING AWESOME, YA GOT THAT?!

It's exhausting...
Title: Re: Episode 340
Post by: Griffith on October 03, 2015, 01:56:01 AM
I'm apathetic about the prospect of another Star Wars trilogy at this point. What I fear is that it'll be less a film and more an exercise in mathematics -- a perfectly executed calculation targeting our nostalgia. But what I truly dread is the slow build up to its release, because the merchandising machine behind this franchise is unlike anything I have ever seen. Seriously, have you been to a Barnes & Nobles or a Target lately? Disney has gone one stop short of choking you as you walk in the store, demanding that you be excited for these movies.  YOU NEED THE KYLO REN MASK! Who's Kylo Re- IT DOESN'T FUCKING MATTER, IT'S STAR WARS SO IT'S FUCKING AWESOME, YA GOT THAT?!

It's exhausting...

Oh yeah, you don't need to even name specific places, because it's literally everywhere. I was even able to buy a brand new Episode VII cup at the 99 cents only store. :ganishka: I'm separating the movie from the marketing machine though (I'm honestly not paying that much attention to it, though I did see the Kylo Ren toy at Target =), but that aspect is in many ways symptomatic of why it's not just going to be a last hurrah for the old cast of characters, but probably a lot of fans like me as well. I'm not coming along for Rebels, Rogue One and young Han Solo/Boba Fett adventures and all that BS. That's not for me, that's for the kids they're marketing to now. Abrams is one of those old fans though, and likewise had his reservations, which is why Miura's specific sentiment is so insightful, because I don't trust Disney Star Wars any more than you do, but I can trust that, all this noise aside, he just wants to fulfill this mandate and make something worthy, and he's pretty much the perfect guy for the job. Basically, just because this whole franchise effort is shameless and is likely going to dilute Star Wars movies to point of meaninglessness, doesn't mean this particular movie, which will be unique as the focal point of this revival, will be bad. After this though I'm likely to show as much interest in this... industry as, say, Harry Potter (I like Rian Johnson, but also have franchise fatigue in general so the idea of getting excited about another trilogy just sounds like an exhausting obligation). I hope I'm wrong though, because that'll mean its actually compelling enough to warrant interest on its own storytelling merits, and not just branding and nostalgia.
Title: Re: Episode 340
Post by: Jarlix on October 03, 2015, 04:33:19 PM
This battle will have to be stopped at some point. I can't really see any way of them extensively injuring or taking out Rakshas. Hm, maybe light is actually his weakness? I'm not sure, I actually interpreted it to be a psychological dislike, but he's hurrying to extinguish it so maybe that was foolish of me... His true form is shapeless, it looks like the cloak is there to hide it. From people seeing he's nothing? Or the light hitting him? An apostle kill might still be on the cards if no one interferes soon and Erica is freed, though of course there're doubts.
Title: Re: Episode 340
Post by: Aazealh on October 03, 2015, 04:40:45 PM
Hm, maybe light is actually his weakness? I'm not sure, I actually interpreted it to be a psychological dislike, but he's hurrying to extinguish it so maybe that was foolish of me...

He might not like bright light on a psychological level and yet still be physically vulnerable to fire.

His true form is shapeless, it looks like the cloak is there to hide it.

No, he is the cloak. The cloak is him.

An apostle kill might still be on the cards if no one interferes soon and Erica is freed, though of course there're doubts.

An apostle kill? Didn't you just say you can't imagine them injuring him?
Title: Re: Episode 340
Post by: Jarlix on October 03, 2015, 04:51:31 PM
Is it confirmed that he's not just an intangible shapeshifter who's vulnerable to light, hence the cloak? Something like Mergo's Wet Nurse from Bloodborne, who has a tangible existence but can't be made out except by her clothing. Granted him being the cloak makes a lot more sense, now I think about it... It's just all the mischievous teasing he does about where his face is located and the way people fight him made me think - maybe he had a solid form under there.
Title: Re: Episode 340
Post by: Aazealh on October 03, 2015, 05:47:44 PM
Is it confirmed that he's not just an intangible shapeshifter who's vulnerable to light, hence the cloak?

Nothing we've seen so far can lead us to believe he's intangible. And he clearly has very precise control over the cloak, allowing him to grow and shrink (down to the size of a watermelon), move his head around it, grow limbs, use it to form prehensible appendages or weapons, use its shredded bits to immobilize Silat's Urumis... I don't think there's any doubt about it: he is the cloak.

Granted him being the cloak makes a lot more sense, now I think about it... It's just all the mischievous teasing he does about where his face is located and the way people fight him made me think - maybe he had a solid form under there.

Well he moves his face around within the cloak, and it is a "solid" part that can be hit, as we saw in this episode. It's his weak point, which is one of the reasons he wears a mask. He also seems to be able to form bones of sorts as needed, but that likely works like the rest of the cloak.
Title: Re: Episode 340
Post by: Smith on October 04, 2015, 05:17:49 AM
Amazing story as usual! Had a great time reading the newest episode!  :badbone:


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Since they haven't been living there recently, it would only be one possibility among others, but I agree that Rakshas would likely be clued in on its location. That being said, he would still probably need to get leave from Griffith to go on a hunt to a possibly far away location, and on a mission that Griffith might not particularly approve of to begin with.

Anyway, I would love nothing more than for the final confrontation with Rakshas to take place in the Bakiraka's secret hideout, with him trying to take them all on... and maybe Guts' band as well?! :rakshas:


Is there ever a possibility that Griffith might send him on a suicide mission to get rid of him? Such as approving the manhunt to the hideout. Since he probably anticipated that the chance of Rakasha going against the entire clan might be slim.
Title: Re: Episode 340
Post by: Aazealh on October 04, 2015, 06:34:05 AM
Is there ever a possibility that Griffith might send him on a suicide mission to get rid of him? Such as approving the manhunt to the hideout. Since he probably anticipated that the chance of Rakasha going against the entire clan might be slim.

Why would Griffith want to get rid of him? It's not like Rakshas poses any real danger to him. And besides that, I don't know that his chances would be slim... I think you're selling him very short here.
Title: Re: Episode 340
Post by: Jarlix on October 04, 2015, 03:27:30 PM
I can see why they were having difficulty fighting him at first. Wonder if the cloak will regenerate if it's just burnt.
Title: Re: Episode 340
Post by: Aazealh on October 04, 2015, 03:30:26 PM
I can see why they were having difficulty fighting him at first. Wonder if the cloak will regenerate if it's just burnt.

Probably. He doesn't seem to have sustained any serious damage from what we can see.
Title: Re: Episode 340
Post by: JMP on October 06, 2015, 12:37:13 AM
But what I truly dread is the slow build up to its release, because the merchandising machine behind this franchise is unlike anything I have ever seen. Seriously, have you been to a Barnes & Nobles or a Target lately? Disney has gone one stop short of choking you as you walk in the store, demanding that you be excited for these movies.  YOU NEED THE KYLO REN MASK! Who's Kylo Re- IT DOESN'T FUCKING MATTER, IT'S STAR WARS SO IT'S FUCKING AWESOME, YA GOT THAT?!

It's exhausting...

Oh yeah, you don't need to even name specific places, because it's literally everywhere. I was even able to buy a brand new Episode VII cup at the 99 cents only store. :ganishka:

Yup, you can't escape it! Brought this to mind: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fgRFQJCHcPw (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fgRFQJCHcPw)
Title: Re: Episode 340
Post by: MrFlibble on October 17, 2015, 12:22:35 AM
It's interesting to see that Silat was humbled by his fight with Guts, it may explain why he acted as a one man army in the Golden Age Arc, but travels with his Tapasa and scouts in every appearance afterwards, which makes the inclusion of the scouts in the third movie utterly pointless and unnecessary.
Title: Re: Episode 340
Post by: N7Paladin on October 17, 2015, 03:26:55 AM
It's interesting to see that Silat was humbled by his fight with Guts, it may explain why he acted as a one man army in the Golden Age Arc, but travels with his Tapasa and scouts in every appearance afterwards, which makes the inclusion of the scouts in the third movie utterly pointless and unnecessary.

Yet another thing I greatly disliked about the movies. The addition of those other Kushan soldiers dancing around was just silly and the way they portrayed Silat was just terrible.

I've become a much bigger fan of Silat during these past few episodes. Silat has made huge improvements as a warrior, his fight with Rakshas in 340 was fantastic, and his overall character development is looking good. I am very excited for this week's episode.
Title: Re: Episode 340
Post by: Zade on October 17, 2015, 01:09:44 PM
As we know, the current situation is a monthly release for Berserk. For how much time you think it will stay like that? (Monthly release).
Title: Re: Episode 340
Post by: Aazealh on October 17, 2015, 01:22:46 PM
As we know, the current situation is a monthly release for Berserk. For how much time you think it will stay like that? (Monthly release).

Until the series is over.

Which doesn't mean that there won't ever be times where some issues will be skipped so that Miura can work on planning future developments, but the release schedule will remain at a regular pace of once every other YA issue.
Title: Re: Episode 340
Post by: Tripas on October 17, 2015, 01:24:39 PM
Until the series is over.
God hears you!
Title: Re: Episode 340
Post by: berserkfan on October 20, 2015, 02:28:50 AM
Do you guys believe Silat at this point can evenly match Guts at this point (minus the berserker armor) in one on one combat?
Title: Re: Episode 340
Post by: Aazealh on October 20, 2015, 05:29:39 AM
Do you guys believe Silat at this point can evenly match Guts at this point (minus the berserker armor) in one on one combat?

Silat is good, but I wouldn't go that far, no. Guts would probably crush like he did in volume 9 if they were to fight again now. But that's not so much a reflection on Silat's skills as it is one on Guts' supremacy as the strongest warrior who's ever lived.
Title: Re: Episode 340
Post by: the immortal bob on October 30, 2015, 04:08:32 AM
One of the exemplifications of the great fight scenes that exist in berserk.  They play out with all the tension and teasing that come in between them.  As well as having both a dizzying effect and a puzzle like structure, that can keep you guessing while making sense of each turn and twist.   The feud between Rakshas and Silat and to an extent his tribesmen, is interesting.  Not only for their backstory, but for the back and forth nature of the morality i perceive to be involved.   That privilege that rakshas spoke of the fact that him being an outcast or a black sheep of what may have been an unfair society he lived in that Silat came from with a silver spoon is interesting in light of what's happening now.  Not only have the roles been reversed, Silat and his tribe are on death's door and rakshas while having an ambiguous status seems to still be in an upper caste in the new world just by being an apostle and the world leaning more towards them(seemingly.)  But Silat's response to having his pride shattered by Guts way back even before Ganishka and the kushan lost, led to a key role in all of this.  Whereas i perceive that vanity at least has a symbolic role in rakshas strengths and weaknesses.  While he might actually be in imminent danger when his mask is taken off as far as having his weakness exposed, if that is the case then when rakshas face is struck or one crack in his image appears he is off his game in every case.

So while Silat's self concept or his self image and his persona as the privileged prince cracking led to the strength that saw him grow from each loss, Rakshas is still tormented by the past slights against him by Silat, and must retreat every battle for amibigous causal reasons to be sure, after he loses face, in a poetic conflation of the literal and symbolic.


I think this is the one thing that blinds Rakshas to his perfect anticipation and reading of Silat's movements, he doesn't count that his hubris will allow him to respond in this way, but Silat's recognition that Rakshas was more powerful then him, which stems from what he now sees after the personal growth from Guts allowed to him to fight as if this was the case.

Leading to those beautiful and dangerous moments with the foot blades and each almost catching the other, at the exact moment where the other almost had them.  Leading to that panel where each avoided both.

Spectacular moment great fight.


Segueing out of that Rickert is just showing how much he has learned but also reminding us of what a childhood in years of mercenary experience in the band of the hawk can do in terms of strategy.  But his skill for inventing is also on full display.