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Title: Episode 342
Post by: Mangetsu on November 24, 2015, 01:23:16 PM
Title: Landing
Title: Re: Episode 342
Post by: luizao on November 24, 2015, 01:29:12 PM
Puck and birds I missed that :puck:
Title: Re: Episode 342
Post by: Patrick on November 24, 2015, 01:38:17 PM
Thank you for posting!

This is all so exciting! =)
Title: Re: Episode 342
Post by: ApostleBob on November 24, 2015, 01:46:00 PM
Land Ho!
Title: Re: Episode 342
Post by: Walter on November 24, 2015, 01:51:28 PM
The promised time has come.  :ubik:

Lots of answers to our long questions here, and we don't even have a translation yet. Very exciting.
Title: Re: Episode 342
Post by: RaffoBaffo on November 24, 2015, 02:09:42 PM
After 8 Years, the journey has ended.

I'm crying.
Seriously.
Title: Re: Episode 342
Post by: Walter on November 24, 2015, 02:20:52 PM
After 8 Years, the journey has ended.

Technically they set out for Elfhelm in 2001, leaving the continent in 2007.
Title: Re: Episode 342
Post by: jackson_hurley on November 24, 2015, 02:22:32 PM
Beautiful!

Can't wait for the translation. Puck's story seems interesting also!
Title: Re: Episode 342
Post by: Earthlingzing on November 24, 2015, 02:37:05 PM
Really interesting environments there, that scarecrow looks like something from Dark Souls!
Title: Re: Episode 342
Post by: Walter on November 24, 2015, 02:42:05 PM
Really interesting environments there, that scarecrow looks like something from Dark Souls!

Its face actually reminds me of those souls Schierke set free in Vritannis.

More likely though,  we're seeing a new kind of golem.
Title: Re: Episode 342
Post by: Tama on November 24, 2015, 02:43:18 PM
Wow, this was an exciting episode! It's nice they open with reaching the island at the beginning, and we get a look into some of the traps/obstacles around Skellig. I am also curious about Pucks little story, it looks really cute. :) Also I noticed that Guts has his more youthful appearance about him, I know there was speculation about it being when Miura just finished the childhood episodes prior, so it seems like he is just looking healthier at the moment. Is it just me or does this episode seem to have more bold highlights for the art? I'm not sure how to explain it, his drawings always impress me but this looks even better then usual.
Title: Re: Episode 342
Post by: RaffoBaffo on November 24, 2015, 02:48:10 PM
Technically they set out for Elfhelm in 2001, leaving the continent in 2007.
And now I'm crying harder  :ganishka: :ganishka:
Title: Re: Episode 342
Post by: Walter on November 24, 2015, 02:49:40 PM
. I am also curious about Pucks little story, it looks really cute. :)


Yeah this is what I'm most curious about.  Serious Puck is back.

Quote
Also I noticed that Guts has his more youthful appearance about him, I know there was speculation about it being when Miura just finished the childhood episodes prior, so it seems like he is just looking healthier at the moment. Is it just me or does this episode seem to have more bold highlights for the art? I'm not sure how to explain it, his drawings always impress me but this looks even better then usual.

It looks like a filter applied by the scanlators.
Title: Re: Episode 342
Post by: jackson_hurley on November 24, 2015, 02:57:53 PM

It looks like a filter applied by the scanlators.

The last episode had that feel too. I don't mind it but like you said it's probably a filter or something of the likes.

I like the first panel about the story Puck is telling. Very nice!
Title: Re: Episode 342
Post by: Squiddot on November 24, 2015, 03:13:45 PM
That trio of magic users watching on all look as young as Schierke.
Title: Re: Episode 342
Post by: Rhombaad on November 24, 2015, 03:17:10 PM
I was literally trembling as I read this episode. I've been waiting for this moment for 13 years (I first read the series in 2002, so I haven't been waiting as long as those members who were reading it episodically back in 2001). I can't believe they're actually on Skellig.

I noticed a change in the art, too. Besides the bolder lines, the objects in the background look a little different from Miura's usual style, too. I thought maybe it was a new technique Miura was using, or a change in style, but it could be a filter, like Walter said.

I loved Puck's little moment with the gull (I'm guessing that's how he got off the island in the first place?). It's been a while since we've seen him irritating a bird. :ganishka:

Its face actually reminds me of those souls Schierke set free in Vritannis.

It reminded me of the souls in Vritannis, as well. Very cool. :serpico:
Title: Re: Episode 342
Post by: Bender on November 24, 2015, 03:45:30 PM
Years of speculation on why Puck left his home and it's because he fell asleep on a seagull who then dropped him on a ship when Puck pissed on it.  :ganishka: What can you say besides, that's so Puck.
Title: Re: Episode 342
Post by: Rezin on November 24, 2015, 03:48:06 PM
I can't contain all this excitement. Today is a glorious day.  :guts:
Title: Re: Episode 342
Post by: Diwo on November 24, 2015, 03:58:02 PM
 Today is a really great day! I really felt it, that today would come the chapter! so happy
Title: Re: Episode 342
Post by: jackson_hurley on November 24, 2015, 04:21:35 PM
And the next one is straight pipe for Christmas if I read my dates right! What a gift it'll be.

I'm already craving for more!

I'm also glad That Isma stayed with the group and I am curious as to what they are saying to her mother.
Title: Re: Episode 342
Post by: Rhombaad on November 24, 2015, 04:29:50 PM
I'm also glad That Isma stayed with the group and I am curious as to what they are saying to her mother.

Me, too! I hope she sticks around for the remainder of the series. She's a great character.
Title: Re: Episode 342
Post by: Gobolatula on November 24, 2015, 04:36:09 PM
I am in tears.
Title: Re: Episode 342
Post by: Theozilla on November 24, 2015, 04:47:06 PM
I'm also glad That Isma stayed with the group and I am curious as to what they are saying to her mother.
Same, I am also glad it appears that she is sticking around.
Title: Re: Episode 342
Post by: Tama on November 24, 2015, 05:11:30 PM
It looks like a filter applied by the scanlators.

That makes sense, it does look like a filter. 

I thought Isma would only accompany Guts and crew to the shore and bid farewell to them, but it seems like she is continuing their journey together. I wonder how long she will stay?
Title: Re: Episode 342
Post by: jackson_hurley on November 24, 2015, 05:18:29 PM
That makes sense, it does look like a filter. 

I thought Isma would only accompany Guts and crew to the shore and bid farewell to them, but it seems like she is continuing their journey together. I wonder how long she will stay?

Well having grown most of her life with legs and being stuck on her island, I'm not surprise to see her stay for the moment. She seemed excited to have adventures. Of course that doesn't mean she wont go back in the ocean with the other merrows, but I would not be surprise if she decide to stay for the long run. (I hope at some point that's what she decides,time will tell)
Title: Re: Episode 342
Post by: Kaladin on November 24, 2015, 05:24:11 PM
so exiting, love that double spread, we haven't had one in awhile, looks so great! :ubik:
Title: Re: Episode 342
Post by: Grail on November 24, 2015, 05:33:18 PM
Oh man, oh man, OH MAN! What is there to say?

I am in tears.

Be strong, bro...!
(http://i1087.photobucket.com/albums/j480/wcreid41/oprahcryingbest.gif)

Serious Puck is back.

I'm guessing that we'll be seeing a lot more of every type of Puck! It's a good time to be an elf fan. :iva:

I was literally trembling as I read this episode. I've been waiting for this moment for 13 years (I first read the series in 2002, so I haven't been waiting as long as those members who were reading it episodically back in 2001). I can't believe they're actually on Skellig.

Same (though I've been waiting about 5 years less). It's kind of surreal. I keep trying to look back on how I had imagined our first glimpse of the island, and I think I imagined the initial approach to the island being more drawn out. I was a bit surprised that we didn't get some sort of two-page spread of the island (in fact, I nearly missed it in my haste!). All the same, I'm glad that Miura decided to get us off the boat sooner rather than later. :carcus:

That trio of magic users watching on all look as young as Schierke.

I was wondering about that, too! I also didn't imagine that they'd be dressed so similarly to her, I figured that magic users on Skellig would be dressed pretty elaborately. Even so, it's a little early to start speculating on that, I guess.

One thing that Gobs pointed out to be just now is that Guts is smiling a lot in this episode. Now he's got me smiling! :guts:
Title: Re: Episode 342
Post by: Oburi on November 24, 2015, 05:53:59 PM
WOW! Finally after so many years. This is a very special moment for anyone that's been reading since Puck first suggested that they travel to his home. This has been the mission since I've been reading Berserk since 2004. I really can't believe it.
Title: Re: Episode 342
Post by: luizao on November 24, 2015, 06:03:27 PM
Thanks to BigSwerve for this:
 https://www.reddit.com/r/Berserk/comments/3u2wlp/korean_scans_342/cxbjwm9
Title: Re: Episode 342
Post by: MASTER-AMIR on November 24, 2015, 06:06:32 PM
Wow
I cant express my feelings. So many years.... :judo:
But something that bother me. Presence of Izama in group... I hope she dose not stay with them for long.
Title: Re: Episode 342
Post by: Tama on November 24, 2015, 06:26:24 PM
Thanks to BigSwerve for this:
 https://www.reddit.com/r/Berserk/comments/3u2wlp/korean_scans_342/cxbjwm9

Interesting, so it's possible we may see a time skip with our main characters if the translation is correct. I wonder if Skullknight used the way time works on the island to his advantage at some point in his life.
Title: Re: Episode 342
Post by: Admiral_Yang_Wen-li on November 24, 2015, 06:43:18 PM
Thanks to BigSwerve for this:
 https://www.reddit.com/r/Berserk/comments/3u2wlp/korean_scans_342/cxbjwm9

I still have a feeling that they'll be in Elfhelm for a while. If that's true there should be a major time-skip on the continent. Not so sure if I like this. When they return, Daiba should be dead. Rickert will be old, Luca will be old, etc. Hoping this was a poor translation or something happens to disrupt the flow of time.
Title: Re: Episode 342
Post by: Aazealh on November 24, 2015, 06:45:26 PM
I still have a feeling that they'll be in Elfhelm for a while. If that's true there should be a major time-skip on the continent. Not so sure if I like this. When they return, Daiba should be dead. Rickert will be old, Luca will be old, etc. Hoping this was a poor translation or something happens to disrupt the flow of time.

That translation seems to have a certain amount of inaccuracies, so readers beware. However it's true that time elapses differently on the island.

Exceptionally, because this is a momentous episode, here's a full transcript of what's being said. Keep in mind it's not from the original Japanese, so there might be errors. All the credit goes to puella as usual.

Title: Landing

Isidro: I can see it
Puck: Ohhh my lovely home!

Isidro: That is... Elfhell... Skellig island
Isidro: Lower the anchor, everybody prepare to land!
Guts: ...anwyay, we've arrived in one piece.
Roderick: What do you mean by that?
Guts: I thank you captain, we've had pirates, a ghost ship, sea monsters and merrows to top it off
Guts: It was a journey that was never boring

Magnifico: Uh uh, I can smell the veins of gold
Ivalera: Wait, wait, shouldn't you thank us first? Who do you think is to thank for our arrival?
Schierke: Ah, Ivalera...
Guts: Yes, it's true, honestly I can't imagine what would have happened without you. All I can do is cut my enemies in half.
Guts: You healed my wounds, took care of Casca while I fought. I can't do such wonderful feats. I thank you very much.

Ivalera: Ah, since you're so honest like that, I rather feel unexcited.

Isidro: Let's go
Schierke: Ah, be careful, you might fall

Puck: Ahhh my home, I missed it.
Isidro: Puck, why did you leave the island?
Ivalera: Now that I think of it, I never asked him that.
Puck: You want to know?
Ivalera: Eh, not that much.
Isidro: Meh.
Puck: Now I finally have the time to tell it to you. I'll tell you the first step of my journey... I, Puck, Elf Warrior.
Puck: On that day, I was fighting with the seagull Jonah, who was named after "the monster bird, Albatross", the boss of sea birds that had threatened the peace of the island.

Ivalera: Wait, who's this guy?
Isidro: Something has started.

Puck: For the pride of each of our tribes, on the land, in the sea and in the air, the desperate fight continued endlessly.
Puck: Give me the fish!
Puck: But soon I felt hungry... And though I had written him down as "my strong enemy", I got to read him as "my friend". So I came back home while riding on Jonah.

Puck: On the way, a tragedy happened.
Puck: The young man Puck went on a journey onto the unknown great ocean of life.

Puck: Berserk Prologue arc.

Isidro: It's really.... meh.

Isidro: I'm the first to land!

Merrows: We'll stay behind the island for a while
Isma's mother: Isma, take this. If you whisper into this shell, we can hear your voice. And if you put your ear to it, you can hear us. Use it if something happens.
The world of elves must be full of many interesting things for you, who've lived as a human. But be careful, and come back well.
Isma's mother: I have one thing to say however: on this island, time flows differently from the outside world.

Isidro: Time flow?
Schierke: Is it like the story? A child who was fascinated by elves, so he went to Elfhelm and enjoyed himself a lot, without noticing that time was passing. When he finally came home, decades had passed.
Isidro: Ah yeah, I've heard this story.

Roderick: Then the time between us and the Sea Horse?
Isma's mother: The time around the island flows the same way... But it's not good to stay long here.
Isma's mother: Because staying here means severance from the outer world.

Ivalera: Ah, did you know that? Of course you didn't.
Puck: ...

Farnese: Well, Guts... Ah, nothing.
Farnese: After you leave Casca here, you'll.... (go)

Serpico: You also accompany us?
Azan: I was asked to escort you because of my great skills.

Puck: Even the greatest adventure of my life, risking my life epically, can be just a moment here...

Isidro: How ridiculous!!
Ivalera: A life is just like a night's dream

Magnifico: By the way, Lord Puck.
Puck: Uh? What do you want Magnifico?
Magnifico: Please, I very politely remind you of what I asked you before.
Magnifico: Are you pretending not to know that? I'll put you on the throne, and you'll cooperate with me.
Puck: Ah! Right, I had forgotten.
Magnifico: Please consider it.
Puck: I'll grant it.
Ivalera: You'll pay dearly.
Isidro: He will.

Group: What are these?
Azan: Tombstones?
Isidro: These patterns... They look familiar

Schierke: Ah! This is...
Ivalera: Schierke, could it be...

Isidro: Huh! Let's not dwell on that and quickly get over this lame hill.
Isidro: If you're afraid of tombstones, how can we cope with evil spirits?

Schierke: Wait, you're being reckless again

Ivalera: He came back
Puck: Welcome
Isidro: Huh

Isidro: I came back?! But I went straight!

Isidro: Hey Puck, what's going on?
Puck: I don't know, these things weren't here before.

Schierke: They were probably made after that day, that of the "great change" of the world.

Schierke: This is a barrier that dazes those who enter this island and sends them back.

Schierke: I think this island were elves or magicians live originally existed in the astral world. However, it was merged with the real world on that day. That's why the inhabitants of this island created these defenses. So that humans from the real world can't approach.

Isidro: So what should we do? We've finally reached this place, but should we twiddle our thumbs?
Schierke: Don't worry. Puck, please help us.
Puck: What can I do for you?

Schierke: You'll be Ok. You were an inhabitant of this island, so this barrier won't work on you.
Ivalera: Hurry to guide us!

Schierke: Everybody, please make sure to hold this thread.
Isidro: Hm, will this be a good solution?

Ivalera: Quick quick! Go!
Puck: Will it really work?

Ivalera: Hey you! Are you doing it well?

Magnifico: He's really a golden goose.
Serpico: Actually, we don't look very good.
Guts: Heh. It's really Puck's home...
Isma: This is funny!

Witches: Humans came again. Are they pirates? No problem, normal humans can't get through the barrier.

Azan: I think we got out of it.
Isidro: Great job, Puck!
Puck: This was a piece of cake!
Schierke: Thank you very much!

Witch 01: They got through the barrier!
Witch 02: What? What's going on?
Witch 03: Bah, don't worry, we have the scarecrows. They'll be frightened by them and run away.

Isidro: What's next?
Isidro: A field?

Isidro: Is this a pumpkin field?
Isma: Great! These pumpkins are really big! Are they edible?

Schierke: No...
Ivalera: What's wrong?

Guts: ...It's not just a field.

Isidro: Well, there are uselessly many scarecrows
Puck: Don't approach, it's dangerous.
Puck: Now I remember it. This is a magic field. If you touch them recklessly...

Schierke: Everybody, get out of there!
Puck: ...you'll be attacked.

Isidro: Uuuaahh!

Isidro: Since when has this kind of thing existed?!
Puck: Déjà vu?

Guts: Can't you learn?
Isidro: Ahhh
Title: Re: Episode 342
Post by: Aguirre on November 24, 2015, 08:04:54 PM
Great episode, can't wait to read the translation. There's definitely something different about Miura's art but I can't put my finger on it. It's almost like it's digitally created.
Title: Re: Episode 342
Post by: Julalien on November 24, 2015, 08:07:53 PM
I've been following the series closely since 2003 and to echo what other people are already expressing: this episode is bringing out all sorts of emotions. It's been a long and amazing journey and I can't wait to see what begins to unfold in the story over the coming months. This is a very special time to be a Berserk fan.

Also, how fucking good is it to see the gang again? I've really enjoyed the Falconia episodes but it's been a very long time since we've last seen 'the family'. This episode is so full of cool moments (Puck's backstory, the magical stones, the scarecrows, and ending with the team facing down an encroaching threat) it's difficult for me to not feel as though this is a very nice 'love-letter' of sorts to the fans.
Title: Re: Episode 342
Post by: Grail on November 24, 2015, 08:17:30 PM
Exceptionally, because this is a momentous episode, here's a full transcript of what's being said. Keep in mind it's not from the original Japanese, so there might be errors. All the credit goes to puella as usual.

Wow! Big thanks to Puella for her hard work. To have any sort of translation on the day of an episode's appearance is a treat indeed! :isidro:
Title: Re: Episode 342
Post by: IcePuck on November 24, 2015, 08:24:05 PM
ELFHELL! HELL YEAH!

I still have a feeling that they'll be in Elfhelm for a while. If that's true there should be a major time-skip on the continent. Not so sure if I like this.]
While I wouldn't bet on a huge time skip, I do like it.  :guts: 20 years later... Griffith Jr is a thing now.

But wait, what is this? Is Rickert building a nuclear bomb?!
Title: Re: Episode 342
Post by: Oburi on November 24, 2015, 08:29:21 PM
Thank you Puella so very much!  :guts:

I love all the group shots. Get to see the whole gang interacting with each other and all the personalities of everyone that has joined up with Guts on this journey. Now they are all entering the island's trials and traps together. Should be awesome.
Title: Re: Episode 342
Post by: Aazealh on November 24, 2015, 08:39:23 PM
So, a few quick observations.

- Time flowing differently on the island makes sense in a lot of ways. It provides an incentive for the group to not stay too long. They'll either have to stay forever or leave after a relatively short while. That also means anyone staying behind could be lost forever... Besides that, it provides the perfect opportunity for a time skip. Whether the world ages faster or they do, something is definitely looming on the horizon in that regard. Lastly, nice shout-out from Miura to the origin of the Peekaf fairytale and its variations. Even so many years later, it somehow feels bittersweet.

- Farnese seems to believe Guts wants to drop Casca off and take his leave. No doubt she sees that as her chance to have him for herself. Drama incoming.

- I'm sure everyone caught on to that but just in case, the situation with the stones and the scarecrows reminds everyone of what happened at Flora's mansion. A similar twirling symbol was carved on trees to protect the place, and golems stood guard. And Isidro rushed into danger then, as he did now. Speaking of the symbols, these are a bit different, they feel somewhat celtic-like to me, which is fitting for an island.

- The whole scarecrows and pumpkins thing is so cool and is just another example of Miura featuring classic folklore in the story (almost in time for Halloween, too!). Same for the reference to the Golden Goose (a classic folktale that fits the situation perfectly).

- Puck's little story kind of reminds me of the Epic of Gilgamesh, especially the meeting with Enkidu. :ganishka:

- While the scarecrows likely don't pose too much danger to Guts, I'm curious to see how Schierke will deal with this. Especially with her peers, who seem as young as she is (maybe even younger?). IT'S ON! DUEL OF THE WITCHES!
Title: Re: Episode 342
Post by: luizao on November 24, 2015, 08:47:38 PM
Puella and Aaz da real MVP's as always great job today, thanks a lot  :ubik:
Title: Re: Episode 342
Post by: Rhombaad on November 24, 2015, 08:53:27 PM
Exceptionally, because this is a momentous episode, here's a full transcript of what's being said. Keep in mind it's not from the original Japanese, so there might be errors. All the credit goes to puella as usual.

Thank you, Puella! You're the best! :ubik:
Title: Re: Episode 342
Post by: IncantatioN on November 24, 2015, 09:18:28 PM
Thanks for the link Mangetsu, Aaz for the summaries & analysis and that super quick translation Puella! AMAZING!! Made my evening and there's a lot to process from this episode. I just went through it 4 times and I have to run out but the art, those panels, then reading Puella translated text, so much to take in!!!!

Speaking of the symbols, these are a bit different, they feel somewhat celtic-like to me, which is fitting for an island.

Just found this on a celtic website (http://www.celticfolklore.com/) and you're spot on!

(http://www.raru.com/images/celt/2spirals.gif)

Quote from the site - Geometric motifs have always been prominent in Celtic artwork. Some of the motifs or symbols date back to 3000 BC and can still be seen today on stone carvings. Newgrange in Ireland, is one of the oldest burial mounds in Europe and is highly decorated with stone (see picture on the right) carvings depicting spirals, lozenges, chevrons and key patterns.

And specific to this double spiral - A double spiral is used to represent the equinoxes, when day and night are of equal length.

Especially with her peers, who seem as young as she is.

Good catch, I thought of whether they'd be too old or young to say what they did and young fits better.

Quote
Magnifico: By the way, Lord Puck.
Puck: Uh? What do you want Magnifico?
Magnifico: Please, I very politely remind you of what I asked you before.
Magnifico: Are you pretending not to know that? I'll put you on the throne, and you'll cooperate with me.
Puck: Ah! Right, I had forgotten.
Magnifico: Please consider it.
Puck: I'll grant it.
Ivalera: You'll pay dearly.
Isidro: He will.

This whole exchange cracked me up :ganishka:
Title: Re: Episode 342
Post by: Aazealh on November 24, 2015, 09:21:11 PM
Just found this on a celtic website (http://www.celticfolklore.com/) and you're spot on!

Well of course I am. :badbone:
Title: Re: Episode 342
Post by: Lawliet on November 24, 2015, 09:50:36 PM
As someone who started the manga this year and caught up one week before the monthly releases began (hence skipping all the hiatuses), I can only imagine what you folks are feeling right now.

Can't wait to see what's going to happen in  :puck:'s homeland. Big thanks for the link and translation!
Title: Re: Episode 342
Post by: Aazealh on November 24, 2015, 10:07:30 PM
As someone who started the manga this year and caught up one week before the monthly releases began (hence skipping all the hiatuses), I can only imagine what you folks are feeling right now.

The fact the publication was irregular for a while isn't important. What matters is that this journey started in volume 22 and that we're now in volume 38. It has spanned more than a third of the series.

When it started, it was just Guts, Puck and Casca leaving Rickert and Erika at the Hill of Swords. That feels like a lifetime ago. And I don't think it's a coincidence that Miura managed to show us Rickert's encounter with Griffith in Falconia just before the group's arrival at Skellig.
Title: Re: Episode 342
Post by: Grail on November 24, 2015, 10:38:23 PM
- Farnese seems to believe Guts wants to drop Casca off and take his leave. No doubt she sees that as her chance to have him for herself. Drama incoming.

Yeah, I couldn't help but get stuck on that detail. I was honestly a bit shocked to read that. Is Farnese really that deep in denial? :isidro: And I didn't think she'd just want to drop off Casca and leave herself, seeing as how they'd become rather emotionally attached.
Title: Re: Episode 342
Post by: Gobolatula on November 24, 2015, 10:40:56 PM
Puella, Aaz, you are fucking awesome. Thank you.
Title: Re: Episode 342
Post by: Griffith on November 24, 2015, 10:46:47 PM
To me the most exciting thing, by far, is the time lapse/skip potential. Not only for the awesome tension that creates for their visit, which is no longer such a nice potential rest stop, but that Guts could be returning to a post-Apocalyptic, God Handified World! Or, it might just be a few years later (maybe even 20 Years Later (http://www.skullknight.net/forum/index.php?topic=12.msg138397#msg138397) :iva:). As opposed to a normal time skip, we wouldn't lose time with Guts and company, and the changes with time to the rest of the world we would discover with/through them instead of playing catch up (potentially awkward and alienating). Anyway, brilliant setup by Miura he could take in a lot of interesting directions, so I look forward to seeing which he chooses.
Title: Re: Episode 342
Post by: m on November 24, 2015, 11:00:41 PM

Great episode and momentous occasion. It indeed is a good time to be a Berserk fan (as if there really was ever a bad time to be one  :iva:)

With all the good stuff that's happening I can't get a certain song by Kool & The Gang out of my head.  :serpico:
Title: Re: Episode 342
Post by: NightCrawler on November 24, 2015, 11:10:47 PM
Technically they set out for Elfhelm in 2001, leaving the continent in 2007.

Jesus...
Title: Re: Episode 342
Post by: Truder on November 24, 2015, 11:21:11 PM
this is a fantastic birthday gift for me! :judo:

Miura definitely changed Guts face. im a bit glad he stopped drawing guts witch such a huge man chin. this is closer to conviction arc Guts.
Title: Re: Episode 342
Post by: Theozilla on November 24, 2015, 11:40:02 PM
Assuming that the translation of Korean translation of the episode's description of the way time moves slower in Elfhelm is accurate (basically a reverse-Narnia relationship). I wonder if that makes the possibility of a time-skip on a scale that allows the character's in Guts' party to age a couple to a few years more, or less, likely? Because if the former type of time-skip did occur that would presumably indicate a time-skip for the outside world on the level of several, if not decades, also occurring.

- Farnese seems to believe Guts wants to drop Casca off and take his leave. No doubt she sees that as her chance to have him for herself. Drama incoming.
Yeah, I couldn't help but get stuck on that detail. I was honestly a bit shocked to read that. Is Farnese really that deep in denial? :isidro: And I didn't think she'd just want to drop off Casca and leave herself, seeing as how they'd become rather emotionally attached.

Hmmm, those lines/panels also stuck out to me as well, though, I personally just interpreted them as more just general anxiety/ponderings on Farnese's part (that's not too generous a interpretation of that scene IMO?). Like, I don't think those lines/panels necessarily imply that Farnese is consciously thinking/plotting with that much foresight that she is actively viewing it as a future opportunity to capture Guts' affections.


Also I think people may have pointed this out last episode, but I think Miura's linework/inking is little bit bolder/thicker than it used to be?
Title: Re: Episode 342
Post by: Skeleton on November 25, 2015, 12:01:33 AM
- ... Speaking of the symbols, these are a bit different, they feel somewhat celtic-like to me, which is fitting for an island.

- The whole scarecrows and pumpkins thing is so cool and is just another example of Miura featuring classic folklore in the story (almost in time for Halloween, too!). Same for the reference to the Golden Goose (a classic folktale that fits the situation perfectly).

That's the first thing I noticed, the Celtic/Halloween feel. I'm absolutely in love with this island so far. The stones. The pumpkin field. The scarecrows (scarehumans?). The fact the field, to quote the great philosopher Admiral Ackbar, is a trap. It's as if Miura designed the place specifically with me in mind. I love it.

For years I'd wondered if time would move differently on the island as is often the case in Celtic/Gaelic stories of people travelling to otherworldly islands/places. The Peekaf story showed that Miura was well aware of said otherworld stories so I was really hoping that'd be the case. It's the perfect form for a time jump. The world ages, but the main characters are still in peak fighting form. :)

Also, thank you so much to Puella for translating the episode and Aaz for posting it. I sincerely appreciate what you two do for us all.
Title: Re: Episode 342
Post by: Delta Phi on November 25, 2015, 02:41:35 AM
Absolutely awesome! What a way to turn around a shitty day. I'm so excited we're finally on the island! Thanks Aaz and Puella for all your information/translations!

It really made me happy seeing Guts smiling so much in this episode. I bet he's starting to really feel some relief. Now, let's just hope things start to go a bit more smoother for our heroes after this scarecrow incident...
Title: Re: Episode 342
Post by: Smith on November 25, 2015, 04:04:58 AM
Great episode! Once again Thanks Aaz and Puella for the amazing translation! Its good to finally see Elfhelm after so long...


- While the scarecrows likely don't pose too much danger to Guts, I'm curious to see how Schierke will deal with this. Especially with her peers, who seem as young as she is (maybe even younger?). IT'S ON! DUEL OF THE WITCHES!


I was hoping the scarecrows to be as skilled as Azan/Serp and a group of them taking Guts at once, posing a real life threatening battle with Guts. Afterall this might reflect an entire level of difference in warding and magical defense as compared to Flora Mansion.


If not its just another mowing session for Guts which we have seem him doing so often now.  :ganishka:
Title: Re: Episode 342
Post by: Aazealh on November 25, 2015, 07:13:41 AM
Assuming that the translation of Korean translation of the episode's description of the way time moves slower in Elfhelm is accurate (basically a reverse-Narnia relationship). I wonder if that makes the possibility of a time-skip on a scale that allows the character's in Guts' party to age a couple to a few years more, or less, likely? Because if the former type of time-skip did occur that would presumably indicate a time-skip for the outside world on the level of several, if not decades, also occurring.

It seems pretty clear from what Isma's mother says that they're not going to stay there for years. I would expect it to be weeks at most. It's also not clear exactly how it works, so it might be better not to draw too many conclusions this early on.

Hmmm, those lines/panels also stuck out to me as well, though, I personally just interpreted them as more just general anxiety/ponderings on Farnese's part (that's not too generous a interpretation of that scene IMO?). Like, I don't think those lines/panels necessarily imply that Farnese is consciously thinking/plotting with that much foresight that she is actively viewing it as a future opportunity to capture Guts' affections.

I wouldn't say plotting, but viewing it as an opportunity? I don't see why not, given the latest developments in that regard (her and Guts and Casca on the ship). She almost asks Guts about it directly, too. The only other possibility is for her to consider staying on the island as well, but even if Casca wasn't cured, it would presumably not be necessary as others could take care of her. Like Grail said, in such a scenario it'd be a case of balancing Farnese's affection for Casca and her desire to be with Guts. Either way, I don't see it happening like that.

I was hoping the scarecrows to be as skilled as Azan/Serp and a group of them taking Guts at once, posing a real life threatening battle with Guts. Afterall this might reflect an entire level of difference in warding and magical defense as compared to Flora Mansion.

I expect there to be a twist of some sort compared to what happened at Flora's mansion, but from what we've seen so far they don't look too bad. There might be more than just them in there though, or the field itself could adapt to whoever it's facing, who knows.
Title: Re: Episode 342
Post by: Theozilla on November 25, 2015, 09:11:07 AM
It seems pretty clear from what Isma's mother says that they're not going to stay there for years. I would expect it to be weeks at most. It's also not clear exactly how it works, so it might be better not to draw too many conclusions this early on.
Hmm, I suppose it is still early to draw any definite conclusion. Regardless though, whether it is on Skellig or not, I do hope there is a time-skip of a couple of years at least for Guts' party since it could do a lot to cultivate and grow other individuals' skill and experience (or in cured!Casca's case relearn/retrain herself and specifically allow Schierke, Isidro, and Isma grow noticeably older).

I wouldn't say plotting, but viewing it as an opportunity? I don't see why not, given the latest developments in that regard (her and Guts and Casca on the ship). She almost asks Guts about it directly, too. The only other possibility is for her to consider staying on the island as well, but even if Casca wasn't cured, it would presumably not be necessary as others could take care of her. Like Grail said, in such a scenario it'd be a case of balancing Farnese's affection for Casca and her desire to be with Guts. Either way, I don't see it happening like that.

Eh maybe...but even just viewing it as an "opportunity" IMO still seems to imply a certain degree of conscious/definite anticipation of thinking about what's to come, and I just don't think that precisely fits Farnese's current state of being. IDK..to me Farnese's current emotional state seems to suggest too much uncertainty/anxiety in regards to her feelings and what she wants to do with them (precisely because of her developments/interactions with Guts and Casca on the ship) to be even conceiving of future romantic opportunities with Guts. Like, I agree she does have feelings of envy towards Casca (which she is conscious of) but I think she is more just generally anxious/nervous about the future (in that scene), like she is more wondering (to use the first person) what will become of "us" (referring to both her relationship with Guts specifically, and Guts' to the party as a whole) after Casca is cured/finds sanctuary.
Title: Re: Episode 342
Post by: Aazealh on November 25, 2015, 09:36:58 AM
I think she is more just generally anxious/nervous about the future (in that scene), like she is more wondering (to use the first person) what will become of "us" (referring to both her relationship with Guts specifically, and Guts' to the party as a whole) after Casca is cured/finds sanctuary.

Well that's really not very different from what I'm saying. Except she specifically thinks that Guts will leave Casca there and then depart.
Title: Re: Episode 342
Post by: ryOtoha on November 25, 2015, 10:00:49 AM
So we can expect to see a older and badass Rickert (married to Erika) retalively close to Silat and his people ?   :carcus:
Title: Re: Episode 342
Post by: Theozilla on November 25, 2015, 10:08:16 AM
Well that's really not very different from what I'm saying.

Oh, okay then. Eh, maybe I am/was just getting hung up on schematics/terminology then.
Title: Re: Episode 342
Post by: Walter on November 25, 2015, 03:11:16 PM
This was a powerful episode for me — quite emotional, seeing everyone excited about the island, and all those glorious group shots (some relegated to tiny panels that don't do well on a monitor). We've finally arrived  :isidro:

It's kind of surreal. I keep trying to look back on how I had imagined our first glimpse of the island, and I think I imagined the initial approach to the island being more drawn out. I was a bit surprised that we didn't get some sort of two-page spread of the island (in fact, I nearly missed it in my haste!). All the same, I'm glad that Miura decided to get us off the boat sooner rather than later. :carcus:

On first blush, I also felt this episode moved along at too quick a pace, and didn't take the expected time to relish the hugeness of this arrival. Of course, as fans who have been following this series closely for more than a decade, we're somewhat tainted, having been gazing longingly at the horizon for the island for so, so long. For the arrival specifically to be rather unceremoniously portrayed in a few small panels struck me as too brief. On a second reading of this episode, it struck me less, and I can see why Miura conducted events in this way. He does address it,  but leaves room for future developments. The island isn't defined for us yet. If we had been treated to something more grand, like a birds-eye-view of the island, it would be far less mysterious.  Also, we're shown a ton of activity between the pages, each panel filled with group shots. It covers a lot of ground, and wastes no time doing so.

At the core though, I had a deeper feeling that I have some trouble explaining. It's not a negative feeling, or a critique. It's like watching a kid grow up (maybe that sentiment will only resonate with parents). Good mixed with bad. Things are really moving in Berserk. We're in the midst of huge changes for a part of the series that has been slumbering for years. We've been thinking to ourselves "Well, we'll see about that after they arrive in Elfhelm..." It's been implicitly promising some of the biggest turning points of the series, and here we are stepping foot onto it. Some of those revelations could be mere episodes away. And while I expected to be excited, I didn't expect to feel somewhat worried that things will be over so soon. Because at this pace, I can see the end of the story taking shape not too far off now.

As to one of the bigger revelations in this ep, that time occurs differently on the island, it's pretty perfect, isn't it? We had expected a "time skip" at some point, giving a chance for the younger characters to develop, and for the world to slide deeper into chaos after the merging. Miura has given a means for that, and one which keeps our main party in stasis. I only lament that at this rate, it means we probably won't be seeing a grown-up Schierke and Isidro. At the same time, it means Elfhelm can't be a permanent solution, at least for the characters we expect to see on the story's finish line. Like Flora's manor, as comfortable as Elfhelm may be, it has an expiration date. Another thing about that knowledge, it seemed to have changed Guts' demeanor. He was wearing smiles until that point, then we get a close-shot of his face, and afterward, in the group shot at the beach, his eyes are downcast. I think he knows that it means the balancing act he's been performing between Casca and Griffith can't last forever.
Title: Re: Episode 342
Post by: Proj2501 on November 25, 2015, 04:29:11 PM
^Your post made me more emotional than the actual episode, Walter. Jeez.

You're right, for so long, so much has hinged on what will happen in the next few episodes. It's insane to think we're finally here. So much has happened from Puck saying, "My home."

Soon -->  :casca:
Title: Re: Episode 342
Post by: Aazealh on November 25, 2015, 06:35:22 PM
I can see why Miura conducted events in this way. He does address it,  but leaves room for future developments. The island isn't defined for us yet. If we had been treated to something more grand, like a birds-eye-view of the island, it would be far less mysterious.

Indeed. From the very first shot of the island, darkened and with a convoluted terrain, it seems clear Miura's keeping an ace or two up his sleeve about the place. I'm sure we'll get that shot eventually, but when the time is right.

At the core though, I had a deeper feeling that I have some trouble explaining. It's not a negative feeling, or a critique. It's like watching a kid grow up (maybe that sentiment will only resonate with parents). Good mixed with bad. Things are really moving in Berserk. We're in the midst of huge changes for a part of the series that has been slumbering for years. We've been thinking to ourselves "Well, we'll see about that after they arrive in Elfhelm..." It's been implicitly promising some of the biggest turning points of the series, and here we are stepping foot onto it. Some of those revelations could be mere episodes away. And while I expected to be excited, I didn't expect to feel somewhat worried that things will be over so soon. Because at this pace, I can see the end of the story taking shape not too far off now.

You're just getting a taste of that sad feeling people sometimes get after finishing a good, lengthy story. But relax, we've still got a decade or two before it's time to prepare for the end.
Title: Re: Episode 342
Post by: Walter on November 25, 2015, 07:11:42 PM
You're just getting a taste of that sad feeling people sometimes get after finishing a good, lengthy story. But relax, we've still got a decade or two before it's time to prepare for the end.

A decade, certainly. Two? Get outta here, you!  :rickert:

What does everyone think of Puck's secret "origin" story? Even though it's for comedic purposes, it could be for real — however, it omits the reason why he left the island to begin with. I still feel like there's more to his story that Miura has made conspicuous by design.
Title: Re: Episode 342
Post by: Aazealh on November 25, 2015, 07:36:19 PM
A decade, certainly. Two? Get outta here, you!  :rickert:

We shall see... :daiba: We will resume this discussion ten years from now on your birthday. See you then! :SK:

What does everyone think of Puck's secret "origin" story? Even though it's for comedic purposes, it could be for real — however, it omits the reason why he left the island to begin with. I still feel like there's more to his story that Miura has made conspicuous by design.

I thought it was very appropriate for him. I loved how the artwork switched from one page to the next, showing what really happened while Puck kept telling his grand tale. And I think it's obvious there's more to come, as this didn't actually tell us much.

P.S. Berserk prologue arc is the best arc. :puck:

P.P.S.

Technically they set out for Elfhelm in 2001, leaving the continent in 2007.

(http://www.aazealh.net/Divers/2001-GroupShot.jpg) (http://www.aazealh.net/Divers/Skellig-GroupShot.jpg)
Title: Re: Episode 342
Post by: Vixen Comics on November 26, 2015, 12:19:42 AM
(http://www.aazealh.net/Divers/2001-GroupShot.jpg) (http://www.aazealh.net/Divers/Skellig-GroupShot.jpg)

Oh my look at how the number of people accompanying Guts has grown between these two pictures. And it's most likely just going to grow some more after meeting more friends in Elfhelm.

I cannot say that I am in the same boat as all the other fans who have been reading berserk for like twenty years now. I only got into Berserk two years ago and am still on my first pass with the reading. I have not had an opportunity to re-read it several times like other people have so I find it amazing what you long time fans must be feeling that Guts and company have finally arrived on Skellig's shores. Just the same though, I found my breathe being taken away when i saw that they have finally stepped foot on Skellig. The journey has taken up so much of the manga that Its almost surreal that they are where Guts has set out to find.

Seeing Guts relieved some what exhausted smiles in this issue was bitter sweet. Guts as a character does not have many instances where he gets to wear such peaceful/relieved smiles on his face...but it also makes me a tad worried as well. He is obviously anticipating Casca's return, and I do so hope the big guy gets what he wants from this trip and he these brief signs of relief can be more frequent and he can be a little happier soon.

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- Time flowing differently on the island makes sense in a lot of ways. It provides an incentive for the group to not stay too long. They'll either have to stay forever or leave after a relatively short while. That also means anyone staying behind could be lost forever... Besides that, it provides the perfect opportunity for a time skip. Whether the world ages faster or they do, something is definitely looming on the horizon in that regard.

this tid bit surprised me actually. It sort of puts an urgency to their stay  on Elfhelm that if they linger to long and they can be in a predicament with Griffith, and they might have to rush. I sort of envisioned them staying on elfhelm and training and getting news skills for at least a year or two, but it seems that staying too long might not be to their benefit. Maybe forcing them to leave before a certain someone is ready to?

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- Farnese seems to believe Guts wants to drop Casca off and take his leave. No doubt she sees that as her chance to have him for herself. Drama incoming.


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I wouldn't say plotting, but viewing it as an opportunity? I don't see why not, given the latest developments in that regard (her and Guts and Casca on the ship). She almost asks Guts about it directly, too.

Ugh! This stood out to me as well and honestly I'm not liking the implications here at all. I don't want to see Farnese get hurt in all of this. She has come such a long way that this delusion might hurt her growth. Not to mention I don't want conflict between Casca and Farnese. They have developed a rapport and I would hate to see that unraveled by drama over Guts.
Title: Re: Episode 342
Post by: Skeleton on November 26, 2015, 05:41:57 AM
While I too think their stay on the island won't be too long, I'm hoping they leave sooner rather than later in a more natural way than because they're constantly aware of the time. Otherwise it will end up being like a scene out of Interstellar:

Schierke: "It will take us thirty minutes to walk back to the ship, Guts."

Guts: "Damn it! That's twenty-four years we can't afford!"

As far as the time jump, if it happens I hope it's in the five to ten year range. I want enough time to pass for Rickert and Erika to grow into adults (preferably with Rickert looking like a younger Godot) and for the God Hand to wreck/change the various lands but not so much time that the older characters like Daiba have kicked the bucket when Guts and crew returns (hang in there, gramps! :daiba:).
Title: Re: Episode 342
Post by: Theozilla on November 26, 2015, 06:28:22 AM
Ugh! This stood out to me as well and honestly I'm not liking the implications here at all. I don't want to see Farnese get hurt in all of this. She has come such a long way that this delusion might hurt her growth. Not to mention I don't want conflict between Casca and Farnese. They have developed a rapport and I would hate to see that unraveled by drama over Guts.

I actually don't think Farnese is deluding herself in the sense that she has a chance to form a romantic relationship with Guts. I think, like Schierke, Farnese is actually quite aware of the nigh impossibility of the notion. But unlike Schierke, Farnese still hasn't completely processed/fully come to peace with her various of feelings/emotions on the subject.
Title: Re: Episode 342
Post by: Delta Phi on November 26, 2015, 03:58:35 PM
P.S. Berserk prologue arc is the best arc. :puck:

Speaking of which, has Puck broken the 4th wall in reference to the actually series itself before? I know he's referenced other properties before, but I can't recall a time he's mentioned the story he himself is in.
Title: Re: Episode 342
Post by: Walter on November 26, 2015, 04:20:11 PM
Speaking of which, has Puck broken the 4th wall in reference to the actually series itself before? I know he's referenced other properties before, but I can't recall a time he's mentioned the story he himself is in.

Early on,  Puck jokes that the story would too dark without him.
Title: Re: Episode 342
Post by: Aazealh on November 26, 2015, 06:46:00 PM
this tid bit surprised me actually. It sort of puts an urgency to their stay  on Elfhelm that if they linger to long and they can be in a predicament with Griffith, and they might have to rush. I sort of envisioned them staying on elfhelm and training and getting news skills for at least a year or two, but it seems that staying too long might not be to their benefit. Maybe forcing them to leave before a certain someone is ready to?

Well of course, it's primarily a way to force the issue of them staying there for a while, and also to make it more dramatic. Now Guts can't just put his revenge back a few years, like he's already done. If he stays, he stays for good. That also means that whoever stays behind when the others leave is essentially lost. No easy way out of that one. Finally, it might make it so that staying there would hasten a profound change of the outside world from their point of view. Maybe the King of the Flower Storm will be able to show them what the world will look like a few decades in the future if they stay there while the God Hand further unfurls its plans.

Ugh! This stood out to me as well and honestly I'm not liking the implications here at all. I don't want to see Farnese get hurt in all of this. She has come such a long way that this delusion might hurt her growth. Not to mention I don't want conflict between Casca and Farnese. They have developed a rapport and I would hate to see that unraveled by drama over Guts.

Well this is also part of her growing process. She's come so far, but she's still infatuated with the man who saved her from herself (by setting an example she could aspire to). Now she has to be able to go beyond that, to truly stand on her own and to become her own woman. It's the next natural step in her journey to become someone the others depend on rather than someone who depends on others. And I think Casca will be able to help her in that regard eventually, by being a friend but also by providing a very different female perspective compared to what she's seen so far. You mention their relationship, but they probably will have to rebuild one progressively if Casca's mind is restored.

Anyway, while I expect there to be some drama when she will face the truth, I'm convinced she'll come out of it a better and stronger person.

While I too think their stay on the island won't be too long, I'm hoping they leave sooner rather than later in a more natural way than because they're constantly aware of the time. Otherwise it will end up being like a scene out of Interstellar:

Schierke: "It will take us thirty minutes to walk back to the ship, Guts."
Guts: "Damn it! That's twenty-four years we can't afford!"

Yeah that's not happening.

As far as the time jump, if it happens I hope it's in the five to ten year range. I want enough time to pass for Rickert and Erika to grow into adults (preferably with Rickert looking like a younger Godot) and for the God Hand to wreck/change the various lands but not so much time that the older characters like Daiba have kicked the bucket when Guts and crew returns (hang in there, gramps! :daiba:).

My first guess (based on absolutely nothing) was between 3 and 7 years. My thinking was the same: the changes have to be significant but not so much that it becomes too distant. Still, there are many things I'm already looking forward to. Luka and her pals' new lives as established aristocrats, Falconia's Industrial War Machine at its height, Rickert & Erika and the Bakiraka's situation...

I actually don't think Farnese is deluding herself in the sense that she has a chance to form a romantic relationship with Guts. I think, like Schierke, Farnese is actually quite aware of the nigh impossibility of the notion. But unlike Schierke, Farnese still hasn't completely processed/fully come to peace with her various of feelings/emotions on the subject.

That's a pretty odd statement. Schierke is still a little girl, and she came to terms with her feelings by taking comfort in the fact she has a very special and unique relationship with Guts anyway. But like you say, Farnese (a grown woman) hasn't come to this realization and, on the contrary, has repeatedly exhibited behavior that makes her feelings for Guts quite clear to the reader. That includes the very last episode in which the group appeared (episode 331), where she (among other things) embarrassed herself by thinking outloud on that very subject.

Not to mention that in this very episode, barring a mistranslation, Farnese was shown thinking to herself that Guts would leave Casca on the island and go away without her. That doesn't sound to me like she expects them to resume a romantic relationship. In which case, why couldn't she have a chance?
Title: Re: Episode 342
Post by: Theozilla on November 26, 2015, 07:07:13 PM
That's a pretty odd statement. Schierke is still a little girl, and she came to terms with her feelings by taking comfort in the fact she has a very special and unique relationship with Guts anyway. But like you say, Farnese hasn't come to this realization and, on the contrary, has repeatedly exhibited behavior that makes her feelings for Guts quite clear to the reader. That includes the very last episode in which the group appeared (episode 331), where she (among other things) embarrassed herself by thinking outloud on that very subject.

I don't see how it is that odd. I'm not claiming the way Schierke processed wasn't unique to her situation or anything like that. And I agree Farnese's feelings for Guts are still quite clear as you have stated, I am just saying that I do think Farnese intellectually recognizes the extreme improbability of her romantic feelings being reciprocated by Guts (which is why wouldn't describe her as deluding herself), but like I said she emotionally hasn't fully accepted/processed her feelings on that fact/notion.
Title: Re: Episode 342
Post by: Aazealh on November 26, 2015, 07:19:21 PM
I don't see how it is that odd. I'm not claiming the way Schierke processed wasn't unique to her situation or anything like that. And I agree Farnese's feelings for Guts are still quite clear as you have stated, I am just saying that I do think Farnese intellectually recognizes the extreme improbability of her romantic feelings being reciprocated by Guts (which is why wouldn't describe her as deluding herself), but like I said she emotionally hasn't fully accepted/processed her feelings on that fact/notion.

It's odd because you're trying to dismiss her feelings as secondary to her rational mind in a strange attempt to understate the situation. But that's not how feelings work, and nothing in the manga supports what you say anyway.
Title: Re: Episode 342
Post by: Theozilla on November 26, 2015, 07:37:45 PM
It's odd because you're trying to dismiss her feelings as secondary to her rational mind in a strange attempt to understate the situation. But that's not how feelings work, and nothing in the manga supports what you say anyway.

Well, I am not trying to dismiss her feelings as secondary and/or understate the situation. I am just arguing that her feelings don't completely negate her rational mind's workings/awareness either (which I do think the manga supports, since if she didn't intellectually recognize the unlikelihood of her feelings being reciprocated on some level she wouldn't necessarily being going through as much emotional turmoil as she is currently going through now).
Title: Re: Episode 342
Post by: Aazealh on November 26, 2015, 07:58:15 PM
Well, I am not trying to dismiss her feelings as secondary and/or understate the situation. I am just arguing that her feelings don't completely negate her rational mind's workings/awareness either (which I do think the manga supports, since if she didn't intellectually recognize the unlikelihood of her feelings being reciprocated on some level she wouldn't necessarily being going through as much emotional turmoil as she is currently going through now).

What we see in the manga is that Farnese has romantic feelings for Guts and has not yet come to terms with the fact those will never be reciprocated. When you say you disagree and that instead, she has "recognized but not accepted" the situation, you're basically saying the same thing but in a backhanded, roundabout manner. Frankly, this has got to be one of the most pointless discussions I can remember having on this forum.
Title: Re: Episode 342
Post by: Theozilla on November 26, 2015, 08:21:21 PM
What we see in the manga is that Farnese has romantic feelings for Guts and has not yet come to terms with the fact those will never be reciprocated. When you say you disagree and that instead, she has "recognized but not accepted" the situation, you're basically saying the same thing but in a backhanded, roundabout manner. Frankly, this has got to be one of the most pointless discussions I can remember having on this forum.

I all am saying is that even if we're agreement that Farnese has not fully come to terms with her feelings, I think Farnese has a little more self-awareness to her emotional issues than you attribute to her. And yeesh man, no need to be so cantankerous about a simple discussion on the nuances of characterization.
Title: Re: Episode 342
Post by: Aazealh on November 26, 2015, 08:33:29 PM
I all am saying is that even if we're agreement that Farnese has not fully come to terms with her feelings, I think Farnese has a little more self-awareness to her emotional issues than you attribute to her. And yeesh man, no need to be so cantankerous about a simple discussion on the nuances of characterization.

I'm just stating how this comes across to me. Anyone who's read my posts knows I'm all about nuances, but I don't see the point if they're unestablished, indefinable and imperceptible. On an occasion as memorable as this one, I feel like our time could be better used. But really, suit yourself.
Title: Re: Episode 342
Post by: Theozilla on November 26, 2015, 08:44:25 PM
I'm just stating how this comes across to me. Anyone who's read my posts knows I'm all about nuances, but I don't see the point if they're unestablished, indefinable and imperceptible. On an occasion as memorable as this one, I feel like our time could be better used. But really, suit yourself.

Okay that's fine, I personally think there is an established and perceptible nuance to Farnese's situation that warrants being specific about the language used to describe it, you personally don't, and that's okay. No need for further discussion then, I guess.
Title: Re: Episode 342
Post by: Aazealh on November 26, 2015, 09:09:01 PM
I personally think there is an established and perceptible nuance to Farnese's situation

That you cannot demonstrate. Which is why there is no need for further discussion.
Title: Re: Episode 342
Post by: MrFlibble on November 26, 2015, 09:54:15 PM
Having time run faster on Skellig really opens up a lot of interesting speculation, such as whether or not the Skull Kight used the island as a base, or how the world and specifically Falconia will look after the inevitable time skip. The aftermath of Fantasia is still reverberating through human civilsation as they get used to constant monster and brownie attacks, it will be interesting to see what the world will look like after the initial shock dies down. Or if certain demons will turn against Griffith, I'm not pointing fingers..  :slan:  :ubik:  :void:

And the islands inhabitants have presumably observed a lot of human history, their perspective on the God Hand's influence on the world will be interesting too.
Title: Re: Episode 342
Post by: Theozilla on November 26, 2015, 10:01:00 PM
That you cannot demonstrate. Which is why there is no need for further discussion.

The demonstrable evidence can be seen in Episodes 287-290 and 328. I mean dude, you don't have to agree with my specific interpretation (which is honestly minuscule in difference from yours, all I am arguing is that delusional isn't a proper adjective to describe Farnese's situation because I think she has more self-awareness of her issues than you do), but you also don't have to insinuate that I am making stuff up and/or being completely baseless in my reading of the text.
Title: Re: Episode 342
Post by: Aazealh on November 26, 2015, 10:07:06 PM
The aftermath of Fantasia is still reverberating through human civilsation as they get used to constant monster and brownie attacks

Is that so? The only human settlement we've seen so far (Falconia) is quite safe, and I'm not sure there's anyone else left (besides the Bakiraka). I would expect the opposite actually, for Falconia to make an impact on the rest of the world.

Or if certain demons will turn against Griffith, I'm not pointing fingers..  :slan:  :ubik:  :void:

Why would they? They're on the same side and everything so far indicates that they have complementary goals.

The demonstrable evidence can be seen in Episodes 287-290 and 328. I mean dude, you don't have to agree with my specific interpretation (which is honestly minuscule in difference from yours, all I am arguing is that delusional isn't a proper adjective to describe Farnese's situation because I think she has more self-awareness of her issues than you do), but you also don't have to insinuate that I am making stuff up and/or being completely baseless in my reading of the text.

The problem is that you started nitpicking on something Vixen Comic said without having anything to substantiate your claims. A delusion is a false belief or a false hope. Farnese having any hope at all to ever have a romantic relationship with Guts can reasonably be said to be a delusion. And you have agreed that she hasn't come to terms with the fact Guts and her will not enter into such a relationship. I mean what's left to say? Your objection to Vixen's wording feels purely pedantic, not to mention contradictory. By the way, episode 328 is a flashback of Guts' past that doesn't feature Farnese at all. And episodes 287 to 290 show Farnese not being able to face the possibility that Guts may actually love someone else, so I don't see how they support your point.
Title: Re: Episode 342
Post by: Theozilla on November 26, 2015, 11:01:00 PM
The problem is that you started nitpicking on something Vixen Comic said without having anything to substantiate your claims. A delusion is a false belief or a false hope. Farnese having any hope at all to ever have a romantic relationship with Guts can reasonably be said to be a delusion. And you have agreed that she hasn't come to terms with the fact Guts and her will not enter into such a relationship. I mean what's left to say? Your objection to Vixen's wording feels purely pedantic.

I've always previously heard the term "delusion" used in a manner that implies a very strong conviction/belief and incorrigibility on the deluded person's part (which I don't think Farnese's false hope and muddled feelings would qualify as) and also a lack of self-awareness (which I do think Farnese has) on the deluded person's part, which is why I quibbled against its use. I can admit that I'm maybe being a little pedantic, but I still think the distinction is important to make.

By the way, episode 328 is a flashback of Guts' past that doesn't feature Farnese at all.

Unless the Dark Horse's volume edition (which I have on my hand right now) orders the Episodes differently from the Japanese tankōbon, the Episode titled Shooting Star is placed before the flashback Episodes as #328, not after as #331 like the site has it as.

And episodes 287 to 290 show Farnese not being able to face the possibility that Guts may actually love someone else, so I don't see how they support your point.
Those episodes also depict Farnese in the process of confronting that notion and muddling through her emotions (even if she still isn't done doing so currently) and explicitly acknowledging that Casca is the most important person to Guts (despite the turmoil she is feeling), which I think supports my point.
Title: Re: Episode 342
Post by: Tripas on November 26, 2015, 11:09:27 PM
I like that little twist Miura has introduced in this episode with the temporal affair. It puts very interesting things on the table.

About the Peekaf reference, it's curious how the author has repeated the move he already did a long time ago with Gaiseric's tale, differences aside, giving us different versions of a mouth-to-mouth story. Schierke doesn't directly name the character of the fairytale, but it's almost for sure that it's the same story, except for important details that differ a lot from the original. This not only serves as a nostalgia punch for us but also for Miura to paving the way for the fact that in Elfhelm the flow of time changes. Very clever. However, I would like to think that's not the overall purpose to bringing back the "remake" of this tale. If that's the case, I feel it a little left over.

Anyway, I cannot wait to see Elfhelm. Volume 39 will be a craziness!

Oh, and Puck... I simply adore him.
Title: Re: Episode 342
Post by: SpaceyLauss on November 27, 2015, 11:04:07 PM
Thank you Mangetsu for posting the link, and many thanks to Puella for the translation!
Title: Re: Episode 342
Post by: MrFlibble on November 28, 2015, 11:34:32 AM
Is that so? The only human settlement we've seen so far (Falconia) is quite safe, and I'm not sure there's anyone else left (besides the Bakiraka). I would expect the opposite actually, for Falconia to make an impact on the rest of the world.

I don't mean that civilization learns to fight off monsters, more like a post apocalyptic world where humans are forced to live in hiding from them, or something like that.

Why would they? They're on the same side and everything so far indicates that they have complementary goals.

So far, but that might change, we still don't know what the God Hand want.
Title: Re: Episode 342
Post by: Walter on November 29, 2015, 01:43:30 AM
Unless the Dark Horse's volume edition (which I have on my hand right now) orders the Episodes differently from the Japanese tankōbon, the Episode titled Shooting Star is placed before the flashback Episodes as #328, not after as #331 like the site has it as.

Well, the episodes aren't numbered in the volumes, Dark Horse or in the Japanese ones — that only happens in the episodic releases. So  Ep 328 remains Ep 328, regardless of what happens with the order in the volumes after initial publication. Miura has swapped episode locations three times in the past (Vol 22: Snow, Flames & 1-2; Vol 29: Homing; and Vol 37: Spring Flower 1-3).

Hoping your argument doesn't hinge on such things,  because they're of little meaning.

I don't mean that civilization learns to fight off monsters, more like a post apocalyptic world where humans are forced to live in hiding from them, or something like that.

If you're wondering what human civilization will resemble after the few scattered remnants eke out an existence in a world they can't possibly live in, I  agree it'll be interesting to see.  :ubik:

Griffith's plan to herd humanity to one location only works if there is only one safe location. That being said, I wonder if Falconian forces will establish any "forward operating base" type structures as the war machine gathers momentum in the future — if only to make things sustainable on a military campaign out in the frontier.
Title: Re: Episode 342
Post by: Aazealh on November 29, 2015, 02:26:45 AM
I've always previously heard the term "delusion" used in a manner that implies a very strong conviction/belief and incorrigibility on the deluded person's part (which I don't think Farnese's false hope and muddled feelings would qualify as) and also a lack of self-awareness (which I do think Farnese has) on the deluded person's part, which is why I quibbled against its use. I can admit that I'm maybe being a little pedantic, but I still think the distinction is important to make.

Your lacking knowledge of the English language and/or your obsessive desire to discount what is plain to see (that Farnese's feelings for Guts have yet to be resolved and present a potential for conflict) are seriously tiring.
 
Unless the Dark Horse's volume edition (which I have on my hand right now) orders the Episodes differently from the Japanese tankōbon, the Episode titled Shooting Star is placed before the flashback Episodes as #328, not after as #331 like the site has it as.

You clearly don't know what you're talking about. Episodes are numbered during prepublication in Young Animal, not when they're released in volumes. So while as a matter of fact the episodes' order was indeed changed in the volumes, that doesn't excuse your error in the least.

Those episodes also depict Farnese in the process of confronting that notion and muddling through her emotions (even if she still isn't done doing so currently) and explicitly acknowledging that Casca is the most important person to Guts (despite the turmoil she is feeling), which I think supports my point.

No, I don't think anything in those episodes supports your point. I think you're showing an extraordinary lack of good faith in this argument and that you'd be hard-pressed to cite specific lines and panels where anything supports what you've been saying.

This not only serves as a nostalgia punch for us but also for Miura to paving the way for the fact that in Elfhelm the flow of time changes. Very clever. However, I would like to think that's not the overall purpose to bringing back the "remake" of this tale. If that's the case, I feel it a little left over.

I don't think there's more to it than what we've been shown. And it's not so much a "remake" as it might be how the tale and its variants originated.

I don't mean that civilization learns to fight off monsters, more like a post apocalyptic world where humans are forced to live in hiding from them, or something like that.

I understand, but my point is that the world is already like that.

So far, but that might change, we still don't know what the God Hand want.

No, I don't think it's going to change. I find that notion preposterous to be honest. The God Hand is a team. They are the one who made Griffith into Femto. Then they prepared the way for his incarnation (Conrad with the plague, Slan with the heretics... and I'm sure the others had their hand in it too). And after he acquired that body, what did he do? Do you really think his actions were solely to obtain a kingdom over which to rule? When Fantasia came to be, we saw each of them... That was not a coincidence or a side effect. So while we don't have the exact details of what they want, one thing we do know is that they're in it together. As peers serving the same master (the Idea of Evil).
Title: Re: Episode 342
Post by: Theozilla on November 29, 2015, 02:28:16 AM
Well, the episodes aren't numbered in the volumes, Dark Horse or in the Japanese ones — that only happens in the episodic releases. So  Ep 328 remains Ep 328, regardless of what happens with the order in the volumes after initial publication. Miura has swapped episode locations three times in the past (Vol 22: Snow, Flames & 1-2; Vol 29: Homing; and Vol 37: Spring Flower 1-3).

Ah, that's interesting to know, I wasn't aware that Miura has reordered Episode locations before for the tankōbon releases. I read the entire series in Spring 2014 through the Dark Horse releases so I was going by what I assumed the numbering would be in the volumes (which Wikipedia also uses as the basis for their list of episodes page as well, which I think most new readers go to before they discover this site).

Hoping your argument doesn't hinge on such things,  because they're of little meaning.

Oh, I wasn't trying to use that part of my post as part of my argument, I was just trying to clarify which episode I was referring to (Shooting Star) and why I had originally assumed it was Episode 328.


If you're wondering what human civilization will resemble after the few scattered remnants eke out an existence in a world they can't possibly live in, I  agree it'll be interesting to see.  :ubik:

Griffith's plan to herd humanity to one location only works if there is only one safe location. That being said, I wonder if Falconian forces will establish any "forward operating base" type structures as the war machine gathers momentum in the future — if only to make things sustainable on a military campaign out in the frontier.

It would also be interesting to see how the merging also affected non-Holy See lands/countries (besides Skellig and the Bakiraka base) since we saw the "wind" affect the entire globe (and not just the Berserk-verse's Europe analogous area).
Title: Re: Episode 342
Post by: Walter on November 29, 2015, 02:31:38 AM
(which Wikipedia also uses as the basis for their list of episodes page as well, which I think most new readers go to before they discover this site).

Here's ours: www.skullknight.net/manga

Speaking of which, that should be it for Vol 38!

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It would also be interesting to see how the merging also affected non-Holy See lands/countries (besides Skellig and the Bakiraka base) since we saw the "wind" affect the entire globe (and not just the Berserk-verse's Europe analogous area).

I don't think that'd be of much value, since we didn't know about those territories to begin with, thus we have no basis for comparison about how drastic the change was. For all we know, those places aren't of much interest to readers.
Title: Re: Episode 342
Post by: Theozilla on November 29, 2015, 02:54:15 AM
Here's ours: www.skullknight.net/manga

Speaking of which, that should be it for Vol 38!

Thanks for the link, though if you don't mind me asking, shouldn't the entry for volume 37 have the reordering of the Shooting Star episode visually acknowledged like the entries for volumes 22 and 29/30 do?


I don't think that'd be of much value, since we didn't know about those territories to begin with, thus we have no basis for comparison about how drastic the change was. For all we know, those places aren't of much interest to readers.

Hmmm, I suppose you're right about it not having much narrative value. It was just some minute elements that I thought could be fun to speculate on, e.g. what the native Kushan lands might look like now back in central/south Asia (assuming their lands are analogous to the real historical Kushan Empire area).
Title: Re: Episode 342
Post by: Lithrael on November 29, 2015, 03:55:39 AM
Wow, what an episode!!!  Not diggin the filter they're using though, it's killing a lot of the detail, but then again I'm fine with pirate sources being a little substandard; feels like it encourages people to seek out the real thing.  It's really wrecking Casca's halftone.   :puck:

Thanks for the links and thanks to Puella for the translation!!!

I don't think that'd be of much value, since we didn't know about those territories to begin with, thus we have no basis for comparison about how drastic the change was. For all we know, those places aren't of much interest to readers.
Hmmm, I suppose you're right about it not having much narrative value. It was just some minute elements that I thought could be fun to speculate on, e.g. what the native Kushan lands might look like now back in central/south Asia (assuming thier lands are analogous to the real historical Kushan Empire area).

For the record if Berserk ends without ever going to the Berserk Americas I will have to go make them up.  FUKCIGN AZTEC APOSTLES RIDIN QUETZALCOATL MAN and just fuck all the other god hand would fucking love it there man oh man

I mean I know it's not the story Berserk is tellin but it would be so cool   :ubik:

*grabby hands*
Title: Re: Episode 342
Post by: Theozilla on November 29, 2015, 04:28:55 AM
For the record if Berserk ends without ever going to the Berserk Americas I will have to go make them up.  FUKCIGN AZTEC APOSTLES RIDIN QUETZALCOATL MAN and just fuck all the other god hand would fucking love it there man oh man

I mean I know it's not the story Berserk is tellin but it would be so cool   :ubik:

*grabby hands*

Yeah speculating what other world cultures would be like in the Berserk-verse is always interesting, like are apostles appearances influenced influenced/vary by differing local cultures (as sorta seen with Rakshas). Or what lands the God Hand might have originated from when they were human. Such as like this fanartist's ideas:
http://wenliinvictus.tumblr.com/post/118198239363/a-quick-sketch-of-the-god-hand-in-their-human
(http://40.media.tumblr.com/f9a1c876a61b493086cc23e9f949b76a/tumblr_nnvpbxSPBK1rrc1zzo1_1280.jpg)
Title: Re: Episode 342
Post by: Salem on November 29, 2015, 04:18:28 PM
Love that!^
Title: Re: Episode 342
Post by: Lithrael on November 29, 2015, 10:44:20 PM
Ahh that's great!  Love Ubik.  And Disney-Frollo-Void.   :ganishka:
Title: Re: Episode 342
Post by: Walter on November 30, 2015, 02:17:49 AM
New podcast is up:

(http://skullknight.net/podcast/podcast70.png) (http://skullknight.net/podcast/Podcast70.mp3)
Episode 70: Landing (Ep 342) (http://skullknight.net/podcast/Podcast70.mp3) (1h 24m)

At long last, we've reached the island of Skellig — the doorstep of Elfhelm! Hear our impressions on this momentous occasion for Berserk, along with thoughts on what's around the corner for the series now that Miura has turned the page on the future.

Have a podcast-specific comment? Head on over over to our thread: http://www.skullknight.net/forum/index.php?topic=14863
Title: Re: Episode 342
Post by: Theozilla on November 30, 2015, 08:21:18 PM
One thing I would sorta like clarification on are these lines from Isma's mother (from pages 9-10 of the episode):

Isma's mother: Puella's translation:...But it's not good to stay long here. (Evil_Genius' translation: However....I would not recommend lingering here for long.)
Isma's mother: Puella's translation: Because staying here means severance from the outer world. (Evil_Genius' translation: In other words to remain here, is to break with the outside world.)

Are we meant to take this line literally, as in staying on the island too long would mean that person would become physically unable to leave the island due to the island's magic (and if this is the case wouldn't Puck not have been able to leave in the first place?), or are we meant to take it more figuratively in that if a person stayed for a long time on the island they might as well be severing/breaking themselves off from the outside world due the time difference causing the outside world to likely be unrecognizable to the aforementioned individual (since far less time would have passed for them) but if they desired to, they could still physically leave the island?

I am guessing the situation is the latter, but I wanted to ask to in case were supposed to interpret it as the former.
Title: Re: Episode 342
Post by: Walter on November 30, 2015, 08:33:21 PM
That seems quite straightforward to me, even without any useful knowledge of Japanese. Stay there too long and due to the time warp around the island, you'll become disconnected from the world you knew — exactly like what happened with Pikaf.

Also, you can always trust Puella's translations. EG tends to localize more freely.
Title: Re: Episode 342
Post by: Theozilla on November 30, 2015, 08:47:41 PM
That seems quite straightforward to me, even without any useful knowledge of Japanese. Stay there too long and due to the time warp around the island, you'll become disconnected from the world you knew — exactly like what happened with Pikaf.

That's what I figured, but like with Pikaf, a person would still be capable of physically leaving the island if they wanted to (even if many decades had passed in the outside world), correct?
Title: Re: Episode 342
Post by: Walter on November 30, 2015, 08:53:03 PM
That's what I figured, but like with Pikaf, a person would still be capable of physically leaving the island if they wanted to (even if many decades had passed in the outside world), correct?

Yes, exactly like Pikaf. It's about the passage of time — not imprisonment.
Title: Re: Episode 342
Post by: TripleJMaster3 on December 01, 2015, 01:36:41 AM
Correct me if I am wrong but wasnt this time lapse also part of Flora's sanctuary. I vaguely remember some reference to the magical elements surrounding the area allowing Flora and the tree to age slower but not sure if it holds any significance to the current situation. If it does would this mean that Schierke would have been older had she not lived with Flora?
Title: Re: Episode 342
Post by: Walter on December 01, 2015, 02:47:52 AM
Correct me if I am wrong but wasnt this time lapse also part of Flora's sanctuary. I vaguely remember some reference to the magical elements surrounding the area allowing Flora and the tree to age slower but not sure if it holds any significance to the current situation. If it does would this mean that Schierke would have been older had she not lived with Flora?

We actually talked about this on the podcast yesterday. I don't think it's the same thing, personally. I believe the parallels between Flora and the tree outliving its natural life are symbolic. Flora's domain was within the astral world, which afforded the tree a longer life. Meanwhile, when Flora talks about her extended age, it's with a bit of guilt, as if it's not merely from residing in the astral world, but that she had a hand in lengthening it:

Quote from: Dark Horse translation of Vol 26
Flora: "You should know how sinful it is to live beyond the extent of your allowed time."

Afterall, if it's the same phenomenon as on Skellig, then why would it be regarded as "sinful," and not the status quo? Furthermore, no time warping phenomena was discussed or even hinted at during that section of the story, or in their travels through the Qliphoth, in which they rescued women who had recently been kidnapped by trolls.

From what we've been told, it seems like the time thing is a special property of Skellig, but perhaps that property relates to the island's depth in the astral world (Flora and Qliphoth could have been in a shallow portion of it).

On a side note, it makes some sense to me that she lengthened her life not only to watch over the Berserk Armor, but also because she (somehow) encountered Schierke, and wanted to raise her. I wonder if we'll ever get some more backstory about Schierke's childhood... and how she and Flora came to be together.

One last thing... the spiral design on the  barrier stones (http://www.skullknight.net/images/skellig-barrier.jpg) got me thinking that it looked familiar. Of course! We've seen a version of it before. It's what was marked on the tree outside Flora's manor, which Guts and Casca were able to bypass because of their existence in the Interstice. We only get a small glimpse of it in Vol 24, but it's a more intricate spiral pattern, similar but more carefully crafted than the ones we see on Skellig.

(http://skullknight.net/images/flora-seal2.jpg)

(http://skullknight.net/images/flora-seal.png)
Title: Re: Episode 342
Post by: Theozilla on December 01, 2015, 05:43:51 AM
We actually talked about this on the podcast yesterday. I don't think it's the same thing, personally. I believe the parallels between Flora and the tree outliving its natural life are symbolic. Flora's domain was within the astral world, which afforded the tree a longer life. Meanwhile, when Flora talks about her extended age, it's with a bit of guilt, as if it's not merely from residing in the astral world, but that she had a hand in lengthening it:

Afterall, if it's the same phenomenon as on Skellig, then why would it be regarded as "sinful," and not the status quo? Furthermore, no time warping phenomena was discussed or even hinted at during that section of the story.

On a side note, it makes some sense to me that she lengthened her life not only to watch over the Berserk Armor, but also because she (somehow) encountered Schierke, and wanted to raise her. I wonder if we'll ever get some more backstory about Schierke's childhood... and how she and Flora came to be together.

That's an interesting theory, that Flora actually actively extended her life through some sort of magical means. I had always assumed that Flora just had a (un)naturally long lifespan simply due to her nature of being a witch in of itself. And that her line, "You, as a sorceress, should know how sinful it is to live beyond the extent of your allowed time." from episode 224 was simply her consoling Schierke over her inevitable demise by fire (because she was going to die soon regardless). But the idea that her line is hinting at a guilt for actively lengthening her life is an interesting one to consider.

As for the tree's continued extended longevity, like you said that was due to the astral world. It's explained in Episode 203 that the tree's continued existence is (and I quote from the Dark Horse translation):
Quote from: Dark Horse translation of Volume 24
In the physical world this tree rotten about two hundred years ago...but while it lived it was the focus of worship for all arboreal animists in this region. The stronger the power of existence is in the physical world...the longer and more splendid its shape will be fixed in the astral world. Occasionally it takes on a monstrous form, though.
Which, as you said, is different from the timewarp difference described for Skellig.

One last thing... the spiral design on the  barrier stones (http://www.skullknight.net/images/skellig-barrier.jpg) got me thinking that it looked familiar. Of course! We've seen a version of it before. It's what was marked on the tree outside Flora's manor, which Guts and Casca were able to bypass because of their existence in the Interstice. We only get a small glimpse of it in Vol 24, but it's a more intricate spiral pattern, similar but more carefully crafted than the ones we see on Skellig.

(http://skullknight.net/images/flora-seal2.jpg)

(http://skullknight.net/images/flora-seal.png)

The other thing the spirals remind me of, which I wonder if it is just a coincidence of words and imagery, is Flora's conversation with Skull Knight in Episode 222 on causality/karma where she says:
Quote from: Dark Horse translation of Volume 26
People may appear to repeat the same mistakes...but karma is by no means a circle. Indeed, it is a spiral.
Perhaps spirals are symbolic of witches' (and wizards) philosophy towards causality and that expresses itself in some of their magic?
Title: Re: Episode 342
Post by: TripleJMaster3 on December 01, 2015, 03:30:20 PM
Thank you for the explanation, Walter. It has been a while since I read that episode so I was a little unclear on the specifics.
Since it seems apparent that we are headed towards some sort of time lapse for the outside world one thing that has me curious among others is how the relationship between Griffith and the princess will develop as it seems to have been at a standstill. Is it possible that at some point she will learn the truth about her hero?   :griffnotevil:
Title: Re: Episode 342
Post by: Jaze1618 on December 01, 2015, 11:45:53 PM
That's an interesting theory, that Flora actually actively extended her life through some sort of magical means. I had always assumed that Flora just had a (un)naturally long lifespan simply due to her nature of being a witch in of itself.

If you recall old man Morgan's story from that same volume, he said that Flora hadn't aged at all since he had last encountered her when he was a little boy.

What's interesting to me now is if your original interpretation of Flora's dialogue about living too long, was the correct one, and that there was indeed some other form of time flow deviation happening at the sanctuary, to explain Morgan's observation. But I am fairly confident a moderator will be along soon to debunk this whole thing, bless them.
Title: Re: Episode 342
Post by: Theozilla on December 02, 2015, 04:36:43 AM
If you recall old man Morgan's story from that same volume, he said that Flora hadn't aged at all since he had last encountered her when he was a little boy.
That line really doesn't disprove the interpretation that Flora is merely naturally slow-aged (like if a person who is in the physical equivalent to their late 70s only ages the equivalent of a couple years over the course of 50 years that's going to seem like to people who age normally that that person hasn't aged all in a figurative sense).

What's interesting to me now is if your original interpretation of Flora's dialogue about living too long, was the correct one, and that there was indeed some other form of time flow deviation happening at the sanctuary, to explain Morgan's observation. But I am fairly confident a moderator will be along soon to debunk this whole thing, bless them.
My original interpretation (that witches are just naturally long-lived) doesn't require a time warp to exist in Flora's domain either (which we already know doesn't, since the explanation about the the power of existence in the physical world affecting the longevity of things in the astral world was already given and the observable evidence that a bunch of time did not pass in Enoch in village after Guts and co. stayed the night with Flora).
Title: Re: Episode 342
Post by: Vixen Comics on December 03, 2015, 06:12:27 PM
I am most concerned with how much time will pass between getting to the deeper into elfhelm and how much time will pass, and how will that affect Roderick being able to get back to his crew. I guess Roderick has to make a choice whether to be on his way or stick around for only a bit to see everyone settled or stay with the group permanently. Or if when he enters elfhelm with the others he is only there for a few hours and he goes back to the shore to find it's been months and his crew figured he was dead and left without him, taking the decision out of his hands.  :isidro:

Also, about Farnese's comment about possibly dropping off Casca and then leaving the island, I thought that everyone (including Farnese) was aware that Guts was hoping to get the elf king to help Casca's condition? That the objective had shifted slightly from just finding a safe haven for Casca and that the possibility of her mind being healed was on the table. That is why, in addition to it being troubling that she wants her chance at Guts that she was in addition unaware of the healing angle of the trip. Maybe I am remembering wrong but I thought Guts had this discussion with more than just Schierke present...
Title: Re: Episode 342
Post by: Walter on December 03, 2015, 06:49:12 PM
how much time will pass, and how will that affect Roderick being able to get back to his crew.

Roderick asks Isma's mother this question in particular, and as she explained, time flows differently on AND around the island. So, they're affected in the same way. However, that doesn't mean it's smooth sailing for Roderick. He didn't sign up for this being a 5-10 year journey. This was a side trip for him on the way back to Ys. Unless he's changed his mind about that, he'll have to make a decision soon.

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Maybe I am remembering wrong but I thought Guts had this discussion with more than just Schierke present...

No you're right. As Aaz reminded us on the podcast, Schierke shares this news with everyone in Vol 28, after they find the boy on the beach. So Farnese knows.
Title: Re: Episode 342
Post by: Theozilla on December 03, 2015, 07:30:03 PM
Roderick asks Isma's mother this question in particular, and as she explained, time flows differently on AND around the island. So, they're affected in the same way. However, that doesn't mean it's smooth sailing for Roderick. He didn't sign up for this being a 5-10 year journey. This was a side trip for him on the way back to Ys. Unless he's changed his mind about that, he'll have to make a decision soon.

Yeah, this is one of the cases where finding out what the specific time difference ratio between the island and the outside world is, will be a pretty significant factor in influencing character's future decisions.
Title: Re: Episode 342
Post by: Aazealh on December 03, 2015, 07:55:21 PM
Correct me if I am wrong but wasnt this time lapse also part of Flora's sanctuary.

No, time flowed the same in Flora's domain as far as we know.

I believe the parallels between Flora and the tree outliving its natural life are symbolic. Flora's domain was within the astral world, which afforded the tree a longer life. Meanwhile, when Flora talks about her extended age, it's with a bit of guilt, as if it's not merely from residing in the astral world, but that she had a hand in lengthening it

I don't think it's wise to dissociate her extended lifespan from the fact her domain resided in the astral world. It seems pretty clear to me that was key in allowing that extension of life to begin with, which also explains why she didn't leave it anymore. Now, as for her having consciously worked to lengthen her life, that does seem a logical assumption.

On a side note, it makes some sense to me that she lengthened her life not only to watch over the Berserk Armor, but also because she (somehow) encountered Schierke, and wanted to raise her. I wonder if we'll ever get some more backstory about Schierke's childhood... and how she and Flora came to be together.

Uhhh, I doubt the extent to which she lengthened her life is comparable to Schierke's young age. If Flora is someone who knew the Skull Knight when he was still human, we should expect her to be centuries old, if not even a millennia. And I also don't think she did that merely to watch over the Berserk's armor.

One last thing... the spiral design on the  barrier stones (http://www.skullknight.net/images/skellig-barrier.jpg) got me thinking that it looked familiar. Of course! We've seen a version of it before. It's what was marked on the tree outside Flora's manor, which Guts and Casca were able to bypass because of their existence in the Interstice. We only get a small glimpse of it in Vol 24, but it's a more intricate spiral pattern, similar but more carefully crafted than the ones we see on Skellig.

I pointed that out on page 2 of this thread. (http://www.skullknight.net/forum/index.php?topic=14856.msg238042#msg238042)

Since it seems apparent that we are headed towards some sort of time lapse for the outside world one thing that has me curious among others is how the relationship between Griffith and the princess will develop as it seems to have been at a standstill. Is it possible that at some point she will learn the truth about her hero?

I think she will eventually, at least to some extent. Relating to a time lapse specifically, I could picture her thinking to herself about how distant Griffith is despite the fact they're married. For example, that he's nice to her but won't share her bed... That kind of thing. There are many possibilities, and it'll be interesting to see how that evolves.

My original interpretation (that witches are just naturally long-lived) doesn't require a time warp to exist in Flora's domain either

Your original interpretation goes against Flora's dialogue with Schierke, as Walter pointed out.

Also, about Farnese's comment about possibly dropping off Casca and then leaving the island, I thought that everyone (including Farnese) was aware that Guts was hoping to get the elf king to help Casca's condition? That the objective had shifted slightly from just finding a safe haven for Casca and that the possibility of her mind being healed was on the table. That is why, in addition to it being troubling that she wants her chance at Guts that she was in addition unaware of the healing angle of the trip.

Yes, it was mentioned to the group after the meeting with the Skull Knight that Casca might be cured in Elfhelm. But that doesn't mean Guts will necessarily stay there with her. In the episode, there is a clear focus put on Guts' face when he hears that staying on the island for too long means severance from the outside world. And we're shown that Farnese notices his look when he hears that. Her thought is a direct consequence of that (by the way, keep in mind that Farnese's sentence is open-ended). She doesn't know the whole truth about him, but I think she understands that he has unfinished business in the outside world.

However, that doesn't mean it's smooth sailing for Roderick. He didn't sign up for this being a 5-10 year journey. This was a side trip for him on the way back to Ys. Unless he's changed his mind about that, he'll have to make a decision soon.

Hmm, I think it's not so simple anymore. Who's to say there's anything left for him to find in Ys? It must be overrun with astral creatures by now, same as the rest of the world.
Title: Re: Episode 342
Post by: Rhombaad on December 04, 2015, 02:50:10 AM
The electronic version is available on http://www.hakusensha-e.net/ (http://www.hakusensha-e.net/) and it looks fantastic. :guts:
Title: Re: Episode 342
Post by: Walter on December 04, 2015, 02:55:10 AM
The electronic version is available on http://www.hakusensha-e.net/ (http://www.hakusensha-e.net/) and it looks fantastic. :guts:

Yep! Looking at it now. Trying to parse Miura's comment, which is about STAR WARS. Something about him seeing it for the first time when he was 12...? That lines up, at least.

(http://www.skullknight.net/images/YA23Miuracomment-touchedup.jpg)

As you can see, the resolution isn't great on those comments pages...  :judo:

That being said, I get to look at clean as fuck scans like this for $3:

(http://www.skullknight.net/images/guts342.jpg)

(http://www.skullknight.net/images/scarecrow342.jpg)
Title: Re: Episode 342
Post by: IncantatioN on December 04, 2015, 04:25:45 AM
Yep! Looking at it now. Trying to parse Miura's comment, which is about STAR WARS. Something about him seeing it for the first time when he was 12...? That lines up, at least.

(http://www.skullknight.net/images/YA23Miuracomment-touchedup.jpg)

As you can see, the resolution isn't great on those comments pages...  :judo:

Hope this helps

(http://i.imgur.com/XBqa1Io.jpg?2)
Title: Re: Episode 342
Post by: Aazealh on December 04, 2015, 01:00:37 PM
Yep! Looking at it now. Trying to parse Miura's comment, which is about STAR WARS.

Miura's comment is: I was interviewed about Star Wars. It will be published on the website "Everybody's Star Wars" in mid-December.

Something about him seeing it for the first time when he was 12...? That lines up, at least.

Uh huh. Better luck next time.
Title: Re: Episode 342
Post by: Walter on December 04, 2015, 02:40:42 PM
Miura's comment is: I was interviewed about Star Wars. It will be published on the website "Everybody's Star Wars" in mid-December.

Very cool! Can't wait to read what he has to say, though I can already kind of guess.

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Uh huh. Better luck next time.

 :farnese:
Title: Re: Episode 342
Post by: RaffoBaffo on December 04, 2015, 07:54:59 PM
Yep! Looking at it now. Trying to parse Miura's comment, which is about STAR WARS. Something about him seeing it for the first time when he was 12...? That lines up, at least.

(http://www.skullknight.net/images/YA23Miuracomment-touchedup.jpg)

As you can see, the resolution isn't great on those comments pages...  :judo:

That being said, I get to look at clean as fuck scans like this for $3:

(http://www.skullknight.net/images/guts342.jpg)

(http://www.skullknight.net/images/scarecrow342.jpg)

Well, that's much better than the scan.

So much that I decided to start buying the Digital Edition of YA, and so I bought the last 6 Issue.

So now I have 4 different Edition of Berserk XD

A pity that Book in the Store doesn't work for me, but whatever .
Title: Re: Episode 342
Post by: Walter on December 04, 2015, 08:03:57 PM
Well, that's much better than the scan.

So much that I decided to start buying the Digital Edition of YA, and so I bought the last 6 Issue.

So now I have 4 different Edition of Berserk XD

Nice! Welcome to the cool club  :guts:

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A pity that Book in the Store doesn't work for me, but whatever .

Yeah it doesn't seem to work on some platforms, including Win10. But you aren't missing much. It's inferior to the web browser.
Title: Re: Episode 342
Post by: IncantatioN on December 04, 2015, 08:04:48 PM
Yeah, when I saw that image Walter posted I thought it was on a different level of clarity than what we see printed in a YA issue. So, like you Raffo, I'm going to pick up digital versions as well.
Title: Re: Episode 342
Post by: Maginus on December 06, 2015, 03:33:59 PM
Hello everyone, I am new to the forum and I'm glad they approved my application. Already I apologize for my lack of knowledge of English. :ganishka:

What to say about this magnificent episode? Wow! Anyway, Guts and company reached the Elven Island! A magical and mysterious place where time does not flow, but it is steady. Perfect!!!

Sea-view looks like a normal island, like the others. I confess I expected a view breathtaking. Well, it does not matter. The important thing is that they have arrived! Alive!

A very interesting thing Schierke noted, the Elven Island is exposed, visible and accessible to humans and now is also part of the real world. And all this is Griffith's fault, because when actually come to the physical world, broke the barriers that separated the astral world the real world, broke the magical seals and merged the worlds. Any human can contribute now on the magical island and violate the sacred and magical home of elves and fairies. This explains the magical protections, like magic seals embedded in the rocks and giant scarecrows to ward off the curious.

Something caught my attention: there are three witches hidden in the woods! These three witches appear to have the same age as Schierke and look like they are there to watch over and take care to keep the curious away. I suspect they are just apprentices of magic, and Schierke was the Witch Tree, and there are entrusted with the simple task to frighten and repel humans. However, they do not know that it is not simple people, but of a very powerful group, including two estigmados and a very powerful witch, and great controllers of the elementals. For this King-elf and his defenses were not expecting!

Apparently, Puck was taking a nap on top of a seagull and ended up leaving the island by accident. kkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkk. This Puck's cute and I love it. Without it the story would not be fun. kkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkk

Farnese still jealous of Guts and Casca and is afraid that Casca be cured of his insanity. This Farnese will still give problems and may in the future be a villain. It's just a suspicion and I really hope that does not comply.

I think the next episode will be many conflicts, confrontations and struggles of weapons and magic. Guts and Schierke want to see in action again.
Title: Re: Episode 342
Post by: Aazealh on December 06, 2015, 06:36:29 PM
Hello everyone, I am new to the forum and I'm glad they approved my application. Already I apologize for my lack of knowledge of English.

Hello Maginus, and welcome to our community. If I may issue you a recommendation, I think you will benefit in the future from reading or at least skimming what others have said in a thread before posting your own thoughts. It helps answer questions as well as keep the discussion productive and less redundant.

What to say about this magnificent episode? Wow! Anyway, Guts and company reached the Elven Island! A magical and mysterious place where time does not flow, but it is steady.

Time does flow on Skellig (the island's name), just differently than from the outside world.

Sea-view looks like a normal island, like the others. I confess I expected a view breathtaking. Well, it does not matter. The important thing is that they have arrived! Alive!

Like it was mentioned earlier in the thread, I think it's clear Miura presented things that way so that the place would retain its mystery for the time being.

A very interesting thing Schierke noted, the Elven Island is exposed, visible and accessible to humans and now is also part of the real world. And all this is Griffith's fault, because when actually come to the physical world, broke the barriers that separated the astral world the real world, broke the magical seals and merged the worlds. Any human can contribute now on the magical island and violate the sacred and magical home of elves and fairies. This explains the magical protections, like magic seals embedded in the rocks and giant scarecrows to ward off the curious.

Well we'd already speculated back when the merging occurred that this might happen. Mind you, there were no "magical seals" that kept the astral world and the corporeal world separate. They merged when Ganishka was split open and caused the wave of light to cover the world. Also, while the stones were recently erected to ward off the curious, from what Puck says the strange magical field was already there when he left.

Something caught my attention: there are three witches hidden in the woods! These three witches appear to have the same age as Schierke and look like they are there to watch over and take care to keep the curious away. I suspect they are just apprentices of magic, and Schierke was the Witch Tree, and there are entrusted with the simple task to frighten and repel humans. However, they do not know that it is not simple people, but of a very powerful group, including two estigmados and a very powerful witch, and great controllers of the elementals. For this King-elf and his defenses were not expecting!

We don't know their age. They could even be younger than Schierke. It's also yet to be seen whether they have any assigned role or just happened to be there at the right time. So far the defenses have worked on their own.

Farnese still jealous of Guts and Casca and is afraid that Casca be cured of his insanity. This Farnese will still give problems and may in the future be a villain. It's just a suspicion and I really hope that does not comply.

No, I don't think that's a correct interpretation of what we're shown in this episode. Farnese believes that Guts will leave Casca on the island and then depart, so she doesn't even consider the possibility she will be cured. As for her becoming a "villain", that's groundless and basically impossible at this point. Will there be some drama caused by her feelings for Guts? Sure, if only for her own internal character development. But you're going way too far here.
Title: Re: Episode 342
Post by: Theozilla on December 06, 2015, 09:00:57 PM
No, I don't think that's a correct interpretation of what we're shown in this episode. Farnese believes that Guts will leave Casca on the island and then depart, so she doesn't even consider the possibility she will be cured. As for her becoming a "villain", that's groundless and basically impossible at this point. Will there be some drama caused by her feelings for Guts? Sure, if only for her own internal character development. But you're going way too far here.

Point of clarification, when you say Farnese "doesn't even consider the possibility [Casca] will be cured", you don't mean to imply that Farnese is unaware that the current objective is to cure Casca, do you? Because as you stated in the most recent podcast, everyone in the core party was made aware of the possibility/new objective in Episode 238.
Title: Re: Episode 342
Post by: Aazealh on December 06, 2015, 09:52:47 PM
Point of clarification, when you say Farnese "doesn't even consider the possibility [Casca] will be cured", you don't mean to imply that Farnese is unaware that the current objective is to cure Casca, do you? Because as you stated in the most recent podcast, everyone in the core party was made aware of the possibility/new objective in Episode 238.

Since you're aware I know about this, why even bother asking me about it? Don't you have anything better to do? Like the sentence says, in this episode, Farnese reflects on what she expects Guts to do without considering the possibility Casca might be cured. It's not a very hard thing to understand.
Title: Re: Episode 342
Post by: Theozilla on December 06, 2015, 10:29:34 PM
Since you're aware I know about this, why even bother asking me about it? Don't you have anything better to do? Like the sentence says, in this episode, Farnese reflects on what she expects Guts to do without considering the possibility Casca might be cured. It's not a very hard thing to understand.
Jeez man, I'm sorry that I asked. I was just confused by the phrasing of the comment and I wasn't sure if the information had temporarily slipped your mind (like it had for Walter and Griffith prior to the podcast) so I figured I should asked for clarification. I didn't mean it as any sort of slight against you.
Title: Re: Episode 342
Post by: Aazealh on December 06, 2015, 10:47:22 PM
Jeez man, I'm sorry that I asked. I was just confused by the phrasing of the comment and I wasn't sure if the information had temporarily slipped your mind (like it had for Walter and Griffith prior to the podcast) so I figured I should asked for clarification. I didn't mean it as any sort of sleight against you.

No offense but this seems to be an excessively common occurrence for you, going by your posting history. I don't feel slighted in the least, but it's kind of tiring.
Title: Re: Episode 342
Post by: Theozilla on December 06, 2015, 11:04:41 PM
No offense but this seems to be an excessively common occurrence for you, going by your posting history. I don't feel slighted in the least, but it's kind of tiring.
Yes, and I am sorry about that. My social/comprehension discussion skills (I have been told I can be overly literal) have been something that I have always struggled with my entire life (largely due to a neurodevelopmental psychiatric disorder that I have). I don't mean to be pedantic/redundant in my conversations that is not my intention, I only wish to generate discussion on the series.
Title: Re: Episode 342
Post by: Aazealh on December 06, 2015, 11:28:20 PM
Yes, and I am sorry about that. My social/comprehension discussion skills (I have been told I can be overly literal) have been something that I have always struggled with my entire life (largely due to a neurodevelopmental psychiatric disorder that I have). I don't mean to be pedantic/redundant in my conversations that is not my intention, I only wish to generate discussion on the series.

I see. Sorry to hear about that. Anyhow, a sure way to generate discussion is to speculate. What do you expect for the next episode? Will the fight against the scarecrows be quickly over with, or does that magical field hold a few more surprises for our heroes? Will the witches get involved? I'm curious to hear everyone's thoughts on what's to come next.
Title: Re: Episode 342
Post by: N7Paladin on December 07, 2015, 09:37:21 PM
This episode was exactly what I thought it would be, but was very exciting to read anyways. I'm sure everyone else is just as excited as I am at the prospect of restoring Casca, so I'll ask something else.

Do you think Farnese will vastly improve her magical skills/capabilities on Skellig, I'd like to think its obvious there's a good chance that Schierke will, but how about our newbie witch?

What purpose could Azan serve on the island? He is a capable fighter and obviously can help defend their group, but I don't think Miura would point out that he's accompanying them onto the island unless he had some role to play..... Maybe I'm just over-thinking it.

I have more to speculate about but I'll save it for now, Christmas can't come soon enough!  :ubik:
Title: Re: Episode 342
Post by: Aazealh on December 07, 2015, 09:41:50 PM
Do you think Farnese will vastly improve her magical skills/capabilities on Skellig, I'd like to think its obvious there's a good chance that Schierke will, but how about our newbie witch?

Sure, that seems like a logical expectation.

What purpose could Azan serve on the island? He is a capable fighter and obviously can help defend their group, but I don't think Miura would point out that he's accompanying them onto the island unless he had some role to play..... Maybe I'm just over-thinking it.

Azan has been holding back for a long time now, and I think it's about time he returns to the forefront a little. That means admitting who he is but also getting new (magical) gear and finding a purpose.
Title: Re: Episode 342
Post by: Maginus on December 07, 2015, 09:49:59 PM
Hello Maginus, and welcome to our community. If I may issue you a recommendation, I think you will benefit in the future from reading or at least skimming what others have said in a thread before posting your own thoughts. It helps answer questions as well as keep the discussion productive and less redundant.

Time does flow on Skellig (the island's name), just differently than from the outside world.

Like it was mentioned earlier in the thread, I think it's clear Miura presented things that way so that the place would retain its mystery for the time being.

Well we'd already speculated back when the merging occurred that this might happen. Mind you, there were no "magical seals" that kept the astral world and the corporeal world separate. They merged when Ganishka was split open and caused the wave of light to cover the world. Also, while the stones were recently erected to ward off the curious, from what Puck says the strange magical field was already there when he left.

We don't know their age. They could even be younger than Schierke. It's also yet to be seen whether they have any assigned role or just happened to be there at the right time. So far the defenses have worked on their own.

No, I don't think that's a correct interpretation of what we're shown in this episode. Farnese believes that Guts will leave Casca on the island and then depart, so she doesn't even consider the possibility she will be cured. As for her becoming a "villain", that's groundless and basically impossible at this point. Will there be some drama caused by her feelings for Guts? Sure, if only for her own internal character development. But you're going way too far here.

Interesting, i not have analyzed this way. Well, it was just speculation.
Title: Re: Episode 342
Post by: Mangetsu on December 07, 2015, 09:51:31 PM
All this developments got me extremely excited. I always wanted to see younger characters getting older. It's also a nice opportunity for Falconia to age. One thing i ask myself is how we will get to see the coronation of Griffith after this new developemnt.

I can't imagine a lot of time passing by, so i don't expect Guts to stay for too long on Elfhelm.

After rereading through some parts in Vritannis, i wonder now how a reunion between Isidro-Mule and Sonia-Schierke would be. The age difference could be kind of akward for them, but who knows. Till that happens a lot can happen anyways, maybe we will indeed see an older Isidro or Schierke.

The magic field was definitely a nice touch, i really like the designs of the scarecrows. Can't wait to see how all of this will look in the volume.
Title: Re: Episode 342
Post by: TripleJMaster3 on December 08, 2015, 01:11:48 AM
To expand on Aaz's discussion fuel regarding the scarcrows Im expecting there to be some sort of trick to defeating them other than Guts obliterating them with his trusty sword similiar to the golems at Flora sanctuary. I dont believe they will prove too troublesome for the group as they are only the first line of defense but surely there will be other obstacles that will be far more difficult. And again time wasted on these obstacles is exponentially, more or less, wasted in the real world.
Title: Re: Episode 342
Post by: Walter on December 08, 2015, 01:33:42 PM
  I think the fight will end soon as these witches/wizards realize these are no ordinary humans. Before that happens though,  it'd be neat if the group was overwhelmed.  A change of pace for the group and a chance to see what three magic users can do together. ...  Or not  :guts:

At for how it ends, maybe someone will recognize Puck, and call the fight off so he can explain things.

How do you think Schierke will be regarded by the other magic users?
Title: Re: Episode 342
Post by: jackson_hurley on December 08, 2015, 02:55:39 PM
  I think the fight will end soon as these witches/wizards realize these are no ordinary humans. Before that happens though,  it'd be neat if the group was overwhelmed.  A change of pace for the group and a chance to see what three magic users can do together. ...  Or not  :guts:

At for how it ends, maybe someone will recognize Puck, and call the fight off so he can explain things.

How do you think Schierke will be regarded by the other magic users?

I think it'll end because Schierke is with them. Maybe she'll cast a small spell and they'll stop out of curiosity of something of the likes.
Title: Re: Episode 342
Post by: IncantatioN on December 08, 2015, 03:16:35 PM
Schierke's smart, I'm guessing she'll be able to pin point the location of who's behind the attack and maybe tackle them. It looks like there's a bit of distance between the three witches/ wizards and Guts & co. It could be possible they stop their attack when they see Schierke, a fellow witch.
Title: Re: Episode 342
Post by: jackson_hurley on December 08, 2015, 10:06:42 PM
It could be possible they stop their attack when they see Schierke, a fellow witch.

Yeah this is pretty what I had in mind : "Look a fellow witch!" Okay probably not that way but you get what I mean.
Title: Re: Episode 342
Post by: Theozilla on December 09, 2015, 03:07:52 AM
It'll be interesting to see if any of Roderick's men will end up fighting much, as it appeared that some of them were drawing weapons in the last panel.

I am also really interested to what Azan's role will be in the future, especially since IIRC it seems that Miura originally had different ideas for his character. Like wasn't there some New Years art from 2000/2001 that Miura made that had Azan with Guts' new party (like Schierke was in it but only had her hat shown)?
Title: Re: Episode 342
Post by: jackson_hurley on December 09, 2015, 02:34:36 PM
Like wasn't there some New Years art from 2000/2001 that Miura made that had Azan with Guts' new party (like Schierke was in it but only had her hat shown)?

Yes, the picture is in this thread. Aaz posted a comparison of that card with one of the panel from the episode. (http://www.skullknight.net/forum/index.php?topic=14856.msg238081#msg238081) It's on page 3 reply #64, see below.

P.P.S.

(http://www.aazealh.net/Divers/2001-GroupShot.jpg) (http://www.aazealh.net/Divers/Skellig-GroupShot.jpg)
Title: Re: Episode 342
Post by: Aazealh on December 09, 2015, 04:26:57 PM
It's also a nice opportunity for Falconia to age. One thing i ask myself is how we will get to see the coronation of Griffith after this new developemnt. [...] After rereading through some parts in Vritannis, i wonder now how a reunion between Isidro-Mule and Sonia-Schierke would be. The age difference could be kind of akward for them, but who knows.

Yeah that's actually one of the biggest questions out of this episode, and is why I'm circumspect about how the time lapse will work for now. There are several ways out of this, and I think it's too early to draw definitive conclusions.

The magic field was definitely a nice touch, i really like the designs of the scarecrows. Can't wait to see how all of this will look in the volume.

Ditto, I dig both the otherworldly look of the field and the scarecrows themselves, who are unique to Berserk yet immediately felt classic.

How do you think Schierke will be regarded by the other magic users?

That's another big question. Prodigy or outsider? Embraced or frowned upon? I want to believe she'll receive a warm welcome. I hope she'll be respected for her vast abilities yet be provided with opportunities to grow. It will also be an occasion to learn more about Flora, from her peers no less, and that's something I'm very much expecting.

It looks like there's a bit of distance between the three witches/ wizards and Guts & co. It could be possible they stop their attack when they see Schierke, a fellow witch.

The witches are not attacking so far, just watching events unfold.
Title: Re: Episode 342
Post by: Rupert Sinclair on December 09, 2015, 05:16:46 PM
The first view of the field of ward stones really reminded me of the Wingstones.  I like how they are basically the antithesis of the Wingstones, where one keeps astral creatures out and allows humans in and the other keeps humans out and lets in astral creatures (or elves at least).
Title: Re: Episode 342
Post by: Mangetsu on December 10, 2015, 09:01:52 PM
I wonder if it is mentioning anything special about berserk ?

 http://www.younganimal.com/magazine/next.html
Title: Re: Episode 342
Post by: Johnstantine on December 10, 2015, 09:10:59 PM
I wonder if it is mentioning anything special about berserk ?

 http://www.younganimal.com/magazine/next.html

I think it's just saying that Berserk will be in that issue. Christmas day, no less.
Title: Re: Episode 342
Post by: Aazealh on December 10, 2015, 09:45:57 PM
I wonder if it is mentioning anything special about berserk ?

The first page will be in color.
Title: Re: Episode 342
Post by: Rhombaad on December 11, 2015, 05:46:08 PM
The first page will be in color.

Nice! Can't wait.  :serpico:
Title: Re: Episode 342
Post by: JackVision on December 11, 2015, 07:29:27 PM
The first page will be in color.

That will be awesome.
Also hello Skull knight community thank you for the approval for my account.  :ubik:
Look Forward to reading and being a part of a great fan base.
Title: Re: Episode 342
Post by: Toan on December 12, 2015, 10:52:31 AM
The color page Berserk got for episode 325 also ended up being used as the cover for volume 36. So there is a slight chance that the color page becomes the cover for volume 38.

Can't wait for Christmas. :P
Title: Re: Episode 342
Post by: IncantatioN on December 18, 2015, 02:44:59 AM
Miura's comment is: I was interviewed about Star Wars. It will be published on the website "Everybody's Star Wars" in mid-December.

http://ddnavi.com/news/276358/a/ - is this the interview Aaz?!

Title: Re: Episode 342
Post by: Aazealh on December 19, 2015, 01:10:51 AM
http://ddnavi.com/news/276358/a/ - is this the interview Aaz?!

Yes it is!

And here is puella's translation of it. (http://www.skullknight.net/forum/index.php?topic=14879.0)