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Title: 2016 Berserk TV series: Episode 1
Post by: DirectDK on July 01, 2016, 01:31:20 PM
And it's out! http://www.crunchyroll.com/berserk/episode-1-the-branded-swordsman-714981

Note: Looks like there is a 1 week holdback for free users.
Title: Re: 2016 Berserk TV series: Episode 1
Post by: jackson_hurley on July 01, 2016, 01:36:32 PM
And it's out! http://www.crunchyroll.com/berserk/episode-1-the-branded-swordsman-714981

Note: Looks like there is a 1 week holdback for free users.

Good thing I decided to pay! I'm waiting for my friend to get here before starting it.
Title: Re: 2016 Berserk TV series: Episode 1
Post by: Pierlala on July 01, 2016, 01:51:42 PM
Hahahahaha ...   :judo: :judo:

What a mess. It's unwatchable.

The animation sucks, the music hurts my ears, the story is like bad patchwork. And I guess a demonic tree replaces the whole lost children chapter ...
Title: Re: 2016 Berserk TV series: Episode 1
Post by: Feeblecursedone on July 01, 2016, 01:53:38 PM
Watching this from work and im shocked with how they've shuffled arcs and characters. Isidro in the tavern where Guts meets Puc, whaa?? Also, where's the hatred in Guts' expression and general evilness that he's potraying in this arc?

So far i've only liked the OST when guts punches Igor. Oh god. And im only around 5 minutes.
Title: Re: 2016 Berserk TV series: Episode 1
Post by: Eluvei on July 01, 2016, 01:55:05 PM
The score is unbelievably bad.

(http://i.imgur.com/MjTvMf5.png)
Title: Re: 2016 Berserk TV series: Episode 1
Post by: Nothingwillbewong on July 01, 2016, 02:01:05 PM
The worst part is that when the anime inevitably loses viewers they'll think it's because people don't like berserk. It couldn't be their fault noooooo way
Title: Re: 2016 Berserk TV series: Episode 1
Post by: luizao on July 01, 2016, 02:20:08 PM
Well at least it can't be worse XD.
To be honest we already knew they were going to ruin the first episodes lets see if the arc they have planned to show is at least decent.
Title: Re: 2016 Berserk TV series: Episode 1
Post by: Earthlingzing on July 01, 2016, 02:21:12 PM
Its not as bad as what I expected from the comments, there are changes but to me they make sense from a storytelling standpoint. The first few chapters of the manga were also pretty rough and excessive sometimes so I'm not mad at things being changed.

Brace yourselves for a 13 episode series though, based on the episode titles I think they're going to fit the whole of conviction in that amount, the 24 episode thing was never officially confirmed anyways.
Title: Re: 2016 Berserk TV series: Episode 1
Post by: TricksieThiefsie on July 01, 2016, 02:30:18 PM
Well, it made Golden Age trilogy look like a masterpiece. It's a mess of bad animation and horrible music. An abomination, which shouldn't have existed in the first place. By that I mean low budget Berserk is  :rickert:
Title: Re: 2016 Berserk TV series: Episode 1
Post by: hearTes on July 01, 2016, 02:39:22 PM
The score is unbelievably bad.

(http://i.imgur.com/MjTvMf5.png)
LMAO I can't breathe  :ganishka: :ganishka: :ganishka:
Title: Re: 2016 Berserk TV series: Episode 1
Post by: Walter on July 01, 2016, 03:01:41 PM
(http://skullknight.net/images/guts-screaming.png)

Laughs aside, I actually liked that opening sequence, and thought it was a better experience than anything in the episode (probably because it was all in 2D). It's what I wanted out of the movie's opening: faithful yet condensed portrayals of the series. (2 clips: click  (http://skullknight.net/images/griffith-sink.gif)and click (http://skullknight.net/images/opening-clip.gif)). It's really hard for me to complain when I get to see something like this:

(http://skullknight.net/images/anime16-07.png)

Onto the actual show though... I really wish the animation wasn't so choppy. It makes the action sequences look stilted, and people's faces don't emote properly (again). There was a lot of continuity swapping, but the only thing that really bothered me with this episode was a) making the possessed tree a huge threat and b) make it able to TRAVEL (seriously, wtf?).

Notable moments:

(http://skullknight.net/images/anime16-03.png)
(http://skullknight.net/images/flora-house.gif)
(http://skullknight.net/images/anime16-01.png)
(http://skullknight.net/images/anime16-05.png)

Will post more here when I have the time! Back in a bit, having a snack...

(http://skullknight.net/images/guts-eating.gif)
Title: Re: 2016 Berserk TV series: Episode 1
Post by: MrFlibble on July 01, 2016, 03:09:36 PM
Why is Isidro serving drinks?

Why would Isidro let thugs overpower him when he's outwitted similar thugs in his debut episode?

Why is Guts picking a fight with thugs if they cut out the Snake Baron?

Why are the mercenary thugs hanging around a tree if they cut out Jill and the Lost Children chapter?

Why is the disemboweling of a child accompanied with a metal soundtrack?

Why did they show the eclipse again?

Where did Guts get the behirit from?

Why is Guts cooking food at night?



Title: Re: 2016 Berserk TV series: Episode 1
Post by: Hypnos on July 01, 2016, 03:11:21 PM
I have officially lost all hope for a Berserk anime. What a mess, I can't even.... I'm so done........
Title: Re: 2016 Berserk TV series: Episode 1
Post by: Delta Phi on July 01, 2016, 03:11:43 PM
My notes:

Beginning with the prophesy is pretty cool.
Schierke?!
Opening doing a recap of GA is good. We shouldn't have to rehash that arc again anyway.
Isidro? Really? And he's with the Koka dudes??? The fuck is happening right now?
Grunge guitar is facepalm
Bar scene was underwhelming to say the least. Good god. How are you going to skip the iconic dragonslayer slash??
We see Guts prepare a meal...We can now rest easy knowing Guts eats food.
Guts is "possessed by evil spirits", that's weird.
Oh god, the Koka crew is pursuing Guts for revenge?? Why? What is the point of this?
No Jill at the possessed tree, but I'm glad they kept the backstory.
"It was bitten by an evil spirit." Apostles are evil spirits?? Hopefully a bad translation...
Chestnut Puck doesn't look right.
BLOOD AND GUTS AND GUTS AND BLOOD AND BLOOD AND GUTS (There's something slightly nostalgic about this though, I guess. I really do like the theme, but can we try a little harder with the libretto? Please?)
Naked Casca because why not.
Femto looks good
Demon Child looks bad
Good god this swirling camera Dragonslayer reveal. Nope.
So everyone is just kind of done fighting? What?
Canon arm was underwhelming as fuck. Scratch that, possessed tree was underwhelming as fuck. All of it. This was dumb.
Stepping on skulls like crunchy leaves in the fall
Offscreen cannon reload? I don't think he had enough time to do that given what we're shown, but sure, why not.
Oh fuck, it's over.
After credits scene?
Next time on Berserk: Guts already has the beherit, and it's blue!

Guys...
Guys...

I mean, I'm committed to watching the whole series, but this isn't good. I'm going to go watch the first episode of the '97 anime to wash my eyeballs out, then read Volume 1 to repair the damage done.
Title: Re: 2016 Berserk TV series: Episode 1
Post by: Walter on July 01, 2016, 03:13:01 PM
Why is Isidro serving drinks?

They scrunched him in early so they didn't have to do it later, I guess.

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Why would Isidro let thugs overpower him when he's outwitted similar thugs in his debut episode?

Good point! He was trying to extricate himself from them, though.

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Why is Guts picking a fight with thugs if they cut out the Snake Baron?

He heard someone being picked on and had to stop them!  :guts: Actually he says he's there to fill up on water and rum.

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Why are the mercenary thugs hanging around a tree if they cut out Jill and the Lost Children chapter?

I actually thought it was funny that as a result of the change, these dweebs got promoted to Senior Bandits, who the other, lesser bandits report to.

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Why is the disemboweling of a child accompanied with a metal soundtrack?

Don't forget the CLANG sound. They also made the other skeletons stop dead in their tracks, frozen like a Captain N "Pause Button" moment, when Colette is doing her thing.

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Why did they show the eclipse again?

He dreamed of it, I thought?

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Where did Guts get the behirit from?

They might write it in as the boar/pig apostle's in the next episode. We'll see.

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Why is Guts cooking food at night?

4th meal.
Title: Re: 2016 Berserk TV series: Episode 1
Post by: Feeblecursedone on July 01, 2016, 03:13:26 PM
They've totally transformed the evil tree to an evil possessed Ent lol. It feells like a replacement for Snake Baron, who in my opinion would have served better as a potrayal of berserk monsters since he does look like a classical villain with his vampirish appearance and is an apostle, compared to a random tree. We could have even gotten some extended halberd to dragonslayer combat if they're already going with scenes that never appear in manga.

With that said, the opera like ost during the battle with skeletons was quite nice and I cant wait fro them to release DVD soundtrack. Like Walter and others said, a bit more emotions on Guts face wouldnt hurt considering he had one of his worst episodes of hatred/vengeance during blackswordsman arc.

Let's hope they do Convinction properly.




Title: Re: 2016 Berserk TV series: Episode 1
Post by: hearTes on July 01, 2016, 03:17:07 PM
The entire cart sequence (excluding the nightmare and the ensuing battle) was rather good in terms of animation. The score was cringe inducing.
The camera shifts in particular bothered me a bit too much, I couldn't stand the cheesy direction.
Title: Re: 2016 Berserk TV series: Episode 1
Post by: Imperator Hanseatic on July 01, 2016, 03:40:54 PM
Here are a few of my thoughts on the episode.. (Spoilers just in case)

As a whole, I came out pleasantly surprised due to the rock-bottom expectations I went in with. To be clear I'm not saying it was good, just that it wasn't as horrible as I was prepared for. The animation has glaring issues such as times where Guts' movement seems weightless,  with no dipping as he steps. It is obvious in some shots that these are 2D overlays onto 3D models. On the other hand, some of the shots I found to be acceptable. Ranting any further about the animation we all knew was going to be bad seems like kicking a dead horse so from now on I personally will only point out particularly grievous offenses. The soundtrack was hit-or-miss for me. I'm not sure whether the scores Shiro Sagisu made are all just utterly inappropriate, or whoever decided which tracks to use where was tonally incompetent, but either way the result was lackluster overall. Many tracks are simply modified versions of the movie OST, including Blood and Guts which I think isn't that bad if you stick to the parts without the chanting. The sound effects felt overdone. The opening theme feels out of place but I very much enjoyed the artwork itself. As for the ending, the theme there is also out of place but I actually somewhat like that song on it's own (outside of a Berserk context) and the sequence had a bit of a lightshow-type deal drawing outlines of characters and such which was nice in my opinion. Walter and I talked about it in the group chat afterward and we thought we might have caught a glimpse of the Moon Child in there but it could have just been Casca.

Anyway, with technical stuff out of the way I'm moving on to the story content and these comments will be exclusive of any opinion on the animation or soundtrack. We open with Farnese and co discovering the aftermath of the Eclipse and we hear about the Prophecy as it cuts to Schierke and Flora viewing the same scene. Overall I thought that was not bad, considering we knew this first episode was going to be screwy in terms of being faithful to the manga. Setting Schierke and Flora up gives us a sense of the scope they intend to cover in this series, and with how much is being cut I'm totally fine with things like that happening sooner than they are "supposed" to rather than not at all. Next we get Isidro and Puck introduced in the same scene which takes away from the memorability of either. Isidro as a tagalong with a Merc/Bandit group fits his character somewhat to me, though it would have been better if he'd been causing any sort of mischief in addition. In this scene the guys Isidro's with are torturing Puck (and eventually Isidro) until Guts enters and beats the crap out of them for being in his way. From what I can tell Puck was handled pretty faithfully throughout the episode (aside from hair being a bit too blue). We get a scene of Guts cooking with a pan/skillet that he seems to Deadpool out of nowhere, and Puck pestering him. Other than that I can't say much stuck with me about it. We cut to Isidro looking for Guts and finding his campfire, then to the Mercs/Bandits from before setting up an ambush for Guts and talking about how the forest is haunted and such, nothing noteworthy. Guts meets Colette and joins their wagon after they insist. Things go down as expected, we get the dream sequence from the Incubus and the subsequent ghost attack culminating in Guts trying to save half of Colette's corpse from the living tree monster? The whole deal with the tree was baffling to me so I may need to re-watch it or have someone explain. Guts wins, Puck is mortified, the Ghosts won't shut up even after the impending sunrise forces their retreat and this irritates Guts enough that he fires his cannon into the air in what was either a frustrated venting of rage or a tactical deafening to drown out the voices. Personally I'd go with a bit of both. We end with the confrontation with Farnese and co, which is the biggest problem I have plot-wise. How on Earth are they supposed to capture Guts if he's not even significantly injured? The only fighter among them I'd expect to make it out of a scuffle with Guts alive is Serpico. We know from the preview for the next episode that Guts gets captured, so I'm anxious to see if they can come up with a reason for him to lose that isn't complete BS.

Anyway, those are a good portion of my thoughts. I'm admittedly still processing some of it. Feel free to agree or disagree with any of my opinions, and I look forward to reading the thoughts you all have.

EDIT: Corrected Colette spelling, which was wrong due to tiredness and the fact that I actually have known a Collette.
Title: Re: 2016 Berserk TV series: Episode 1
Post by: Feeblecursedone on July 01, 2016, 03:46:10 PM
They might squeeze in an apostle like Walter said that could be the source of Guts' beherit and the source of injuries, before the arrival of Farnese and co. But yeah, they've taken a lot out of context and are butchering it quite freely.

Title: Re: 2016 Berserk TV series: Episode 1
Post by: buttonmasher on July 01, 2016, 03:47:02 PM
The anime project's initial goal was to animate the entire series, but obviously this hasn't panned out.  These folks attempted to do Golden Age in a single movie for a reason - they wanted to get to new material.  This first episode seems to have been pieced together with the same intention.  It really was a jumbled mess, thanks to the editing, and everything was moving at break neck speed.  The episode shows us that Guts' brand attracks evil spirits, Guts is in constant danger, and he does not bat an eye at taking a life (but not really since he hesitates to kill Colette).  We are reminded of the eclipse, shown some main characters, and get a full demonstration of Guts' arsenal and combat prowess.  The story was butchered to catapault it into the next phase.

My theory - they haven't adapated the story faithfully thus far because they have no confidence in the post eclipse episodes bringing in viewers.  Someone determined incarnation was the way to get the most viewers, so do whatever it takes to get us to that material.  We need a band of heroes facing off against a horde of baddies to make fans.  I hope that once they get to "the starting point" for their adaptation (we aren't there yet, folks) they will slow the hell down and start being faithful.

I don't think this adaptation hurts Berserk and for that much I am grateful.  I am really curious to see how this adaptation goes moving forward.  I think it is entirely possible that we reach a point where the writers believe they have adequately set the table and are ready to present the story accurately.  I could be completely wrong but I'm gonna give this project the benefit of the doubt for a few episodes before I banish it to hell.
Title: Re: 2016 Berserk TV series: Episode 1
Post by: jackson_hurley on July 01, 2016, 04:14:47 PM
To be honest, I've enjoyed it. I knew from the start that there was gonna be changes and storyline switch. The animation bugged me the most vs the story. I just hope we can some answers for the beherit etc. I'll sure watch the entire show anyway since I've started it.
Title: Re: 2016 Berserk TV series: Episode 1
Post by: Eluvei on July 01, 2016, 04:17:14 PM
If you look carefully, you can spot Caucasian Casca in several frames of the opening.

(http://i.imgur.com/JtOvxTY.png)
(http://i.imgur.com/YuTqrnE.png)
Title: Re: 2016 Berserk TV series: Episode 1
Post by: luizao on July 01, 2016, 04:20:41 PM

Don't forget the CLANG sound. They also made the other skeletons stop dead in their tracks, frozen like a Captain N "Pause Button" moment, when Colette is doing her thing.

Something inside me died with the "Pause Button" thing XD. It was one of the most awkward moments of the chapter and the clang sound was a bit too much.
Title: Re: 2016 Berserk TV series: Episode 1
Post by: Delta Phi on July 01, 2016, 04:21:58 PM
If you look carefully, you can spot Caucasian Casca in several frames of the opening.

I didn't even recognize her in the very first shot where the camera pans up and shows the whole group. She's very pale in every single shot.
Title: Re: 2016 Berserk TV series: Episode 1
Post by: jackson_hurley on July 01, 2016, 04:23:41 PM
If you look carefully, you can spot Caucasian Casca in several frames of the opening.


They ran out of brown...
Title: Re: 2016 Berserk TV series: Episode 1
Post by: Gummyskull on July 01, 2016, 04:45:28 PM
It was so good I skimmed through the entire episode.

If you look carefully, you can spot Caucasian Casca in several frames of the opening.
This was honestly the most disappointing part for me.
Title: Re: 2016 Berserk TV series: Episode 1
Post by: Theozilla on July 01, 2016, 04:45:42 PM
They ran out of brown...
I think even Pippin was given darker skin than Casca in the opening, which is strange since her appearance in the promotional art (the one with Mozgus) colored her with a much more accurate skin-tone.

Anyways the first episode definitely felt like a patchwork episode, but that was kinda expected going in. The Anime News Network reviewers were more generous and positive in their first episode impressions (see here: https://www.animenewsnetwork.com/preview-guide/2016/summer/berserk/.103851) than I expected them to be. I guess one really just has to go in looking at the anime as its own product in order to appreciate any of its positives. Because comparing it only to the manga just makes you notice the narrative shortcomings due to the compromises I guess it had to make for the adaptation to get made, I suppose.

 
 
Title: Re: 2016 Berserk TV series: Episode 1
Post by: Feeblecursedone on July 01, 2016, 04:51:39 PM
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I think even Pippin was given darker skin than Casca in the opening,

Pippin does have dark skin though.
Title: Re: 2016 Berserk TV series: Episode 1
Post by: DANGERDOOOOM on July 01, 2016, 04:52:25 PM
"YOU'RE TOO DAMP TO BE USEFUL AS FIREWOOD!" Great one-liner, Guts lol  :sad:
Title: Re: 2016 Berserk TV series: Episode 1
Post by: Imperator Hanseatic on July 01, 2016, 04:53:14 PM
If you look carefully, you can spot Caucasian Casca in several frames of the opening.
(http://i.imgur.com/YuTqrnE.png)

Is it possible that this one isn't Casca? I'm not sure myself.
Title: Re: 2016 Berserk TV series: Episode 1
Post by: Theozilla on July 01, 2016, 04:54:16 PM
Pippin does have dark skin though.
I know that's my point. That it was kinda strange Pippin had his skin colored accurately but Casca didn't (who's supposed to be darker than Pippin).
Title: Re: 2016 Berserk TV series: Episode 1
Post by: VengeanceQuest982 on July 01, 2016, 04:55:09 PM
...How is it possible that in This Era of Novel Adaptation to Tv/Film are we still having this issue with BERSERK. We'll get back to BERSERK in a moment lets look at the other adaptation projects in the room first :

1.Written by Fuyumi Ono - Juuni Kokuki was an eight book series whose adaptation was handled by Studio Pierrot with a 45 episode run
2.Written by Hiromu Arakawa - Fullmetal Alchemist was a Twenty Seven book series that had 2 solid adaptations handled by the same studio BONES

...Now back to the elephant in the room BERSERK for some odd reason has not been nor does it seem to be able to have a competent STUDIO to handle the adaptation , scripts, and score in any capacity whatsoever. I hate to say it but maybe the 90s series was lightning in the bottle that was never meant to be had again. Or maybe not maybe one day we could get the production team right and have a great project to support because as it stand right now I'm more supportive of BERSERK the Novels than Berserk the Series I'm interested in BERSERK Musou because it looks like it'll be a lot of fun. Now don't get me wrong the series has some well executed scenes here and their but its still quasi perfunctory like the films so no I will not be watching the next 23 episodes of the show I will however be awaiting the next fan edit.

For someone unfamiliar with the books the films and series will seem like the greatest thing ever but for everyone else not so much. With that said have fun everyone.

 :judo:
Title: Re: 2016 Berserk TV series: Episode 1
Post by: Walter on July 01, 2016, 05:03:51 PM
Poll: http://www.skullknight.net/forum/index.php?topic=15033.0
Title: Re: 2016 Berserk TV series: Episode 1
Post by: hearTes on July 01, 2016, 05:09:15 PM

For someone unfamiliar with the books the films and series will seem like the greatest thing ever but for everyone else not so much. With that said have fun everyone.

 :judo:
I seriously doubt that.   :troll::ganishka:
Title: Re: 2016 Berserk TV series: Episode 1
Post by: Eluvei on July 01, 2016, 05:18:47 PM
I know that's my point. That it was kinda strange Pippin had his skin colored accurately but Casca didn't (who's supposed to be darker than Pippin).

Yeah, they really appeared to insist on making her white when you look at this (http://i.imgur.com/qKgNqt2.png), a really confusing image because of how similar their skin tones are. It's even more absurd when you compare it to the original page (http://i.imgur.com/Xb0CAXA.jpg), which works mostly because of the contrast.
Title: Re: 2016 Berserk TV series: Episode 1
Post by: VengeanceQuest982 on July 01, 2016, 05:20:41 PM
It looks like someone has done the 1st round of fan edits for the new Berserk series all ready by editing out the op song and replacing it with "Tell me Why by Pen Pals" I can't wait for the ED song to be swapped out for "Waiting so Long by Silver Fins". I'd have posted the link but linking to copyrighted materials is a big no no from my point of view and the adm's so I'll leave it to you to look for it on your own.
Title: Re: 2016 Berserk TV series: Episode 1
Post by: IcePuck on July 01, 2016, 05:23:44 PM
Oh my god, they want to rush through the manga so hard they turned Isidro into a bar wench.

What's wrong with these people?
Title: Re: 2016 Berserk TV series: Episode 1
Post by: Feeblecursedone on July 01, 2016, 05:24:12 PM
Speaking of nostalgia and things we miss, I'll miss the painting style of scenery/characters that the old anime had. Especially band of the hawk campfire moments and in the ending song.
Title: Re: 2016 Berserk TV series: Episode 1
Post by: MrFlibble on July 01, 2016, 05:30:19 PM
If you look carefully, you can spot Caucasian Casca in several frames of the opening.


And they made her a Brunette, i don't know why the hell they make these stupid choices.
Title: Re: 2016 Berserk TV series: Episode 1
Post by: Sammoniac on July 01, 2016, 05:35:34 PM
The most positive thing I can say about the episode is the *CLANG sound effects of the DS.
Title: Re: 2016 Berserk TV series: Episode 1
Post by: JellyfishJam on July 01, 2016, 05:39:36 PM
I frankly lost count of how many times I had to hit the pause button during this episode. I didn't really expect anything grandiose given the particularly underwhelming trailer, but holy hell if it didn't look bad. For a first episode (that by definition is meant to hook the viewers and thus should be used to showcase some of the best pieces of animation the show is capable of offering), it actually looked like the staff had already run out of budget and were just cutting corners everywhere: that's a damn shame.
On top of the abysmal quality of the CGI and the outdated-looking backgrounds, they somewhat had to make Casca white, for whatever reason. At this point it's probably the littlest of the show's multitude of problems but still, it's quite irritating.

Technical aspect aside, they re-arrangered the events post GA arc as well as they could, (and shoe-horned a bunch of cameos in the process), but the whole package still ended up feeling a little disjointed, as expected. Other than that it wasn't too bad, I suppose. However a lot of iconic scenes from the manga ended up losing a lot of impact due to the very poor direction and animation work.
Title: Re: 2016 Berserk TV series: Episode 1
Post by: ApostleBob on July 01, 2016, 05:59:59 PM
Ok, very brief thoughts first, more to come.

I was ready for a rushed adaptation, but some of the choices just ruined this.

The music absolutely killed several moments in here completely. HORRIBLE choice to go with cocaine riffs on guitar, totally pulled me out.

Why add the tree, and make it humongous, just to kill it in a way that makes it look like Guts is cutting through space and time. WTF! The skeletons were enough. In fact, it was a fairly good adaptation of the brand episode.

The opening with Farnese and Schierke was good.

Rolling Isidro into the thugs at the beginning worked for me as it fits his character that he's trying to learn how to be a better swordsman.

The animation is bad but I'm wiling to overlook that if they can just get the tone right without crazy guitars and shitty patchwork plot choices.

It seems really early to introduce the Holy Iron Chain Knights. As a viewer I don't feel like I'm on Guts side yet and we're jumping right in.

It feels like there is promise here but some really bad artistic decisions. Not looking forward to the torture of the entire conviction arc in under five hours. Are they actually going to try to complete the entire series in one season?
Title: Re: 2016 Berserk TV series: Episode 1
Post by: Henry Spencer on July 01, 2016, 06:21:10 PM
I refuse to watch this since it looks so bad but is the Hirasawa song any good? Can't find it on YouTube anywhere yet (and yet that rubbish rock song is, wtf?)
Title: Re: 2016 Berserk TV series: Episode 1
Post by: guts100 on July 01, 2016, 06:22:29 PM
Just watch the new Anime, omg love it, yes had some parts lokoed a bit off but OMG we get more anime after the Eclipse so much YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: 2016 Berserk TV series: Episode 1
Post by: Tama on July 01, 2016, 06:27:50 PM
I refuse to watch this since it looks so bad but is the Hirasawa song any good? Can't find it on YouTube anywhere yet (and yet that rubbish rock song is, wtf?)

I was going to ask, I thought Hirasawa was also going to have a musical piece in the new anime as well. I haven't watched it myself but was curious to those who know. Strange choices from what others are saying; not really thrilled with the changes I'm hearing, but I feel like when all of this is said and done, the 1997 television show will still be the winner.

I don't think the opening song from 9mm was bad, but it doesn't feel like it fits Berserk at all and more for a Shonen series. I like the idea of it being a recap for the material that's already been covered, but like other's have pointed out, they can't even get Casca's skin tone consistent, not to mention it is a bit jarring seeing the beautiful 2D drawn looking animation next to the 3D patchwork design they are using. Also I'm disappointed we most likely won't be seeing the Lost Children animated, I loved that part of the story and I think it would have held up very well to show off a new Berserk anime (along with Guardians of Desire).
Title: Re: 2016 Berserk TV series: Episode 1
Post by: Feeblecursedone on July 01, 2016, 06:34:38 PM
I know everyone keeps saying OST sucked, but i did like that choir/opera piece during the skeleton battle. Other than that though, not.
Title: Re: 2016 Berserk TV series: Episode 1
Post by: Walter on July 01, 2016, 06:36:27 PM
I was going to ask, I thought Hirasawa was also going to have a musical piece in the new anime as well. I haven't watched it myself but was curious to those who know.

It's only heard during the next episode preview at the very end, and it's overlayed with voice overs, so it's difficult to hear.

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I feel like when all of this is said and done, the 1997 television show will still be the winner.

I think that's a pretty safe bet.

Honestly, I find myself at a loss for much to say about this thing. I don't think it's quite as bad as people have said in the thread. It's a terrible first episode, but I don't think it sinks this new series just yet. For what it's worth, I was far less appalled by this than I was after watching the first Golden Age movie. That could be due to expectations being different, a thicker skin after a series of adaptations I didn't like, or that this one was just closer to the mark for Berserk.

That being said, this episode was undoubtedly a complete mess, in more ways than one. Structurally, that's to be expected. They tried to smash together two completely different parts of the story, and as a result, it ended up being hamstrung by what it set out to achieve (summarizing bits of Black Swordsman and Lost Children). So, with that "out of the way," I do expect future episodes to be a bit more even keel and straightforward in terms of pacing. And it's only then that we'll see what this adaptation truly has to offer us in terms of its quality. But it will probably just limp along, given this is the starting point. Imagine Berserk -- imagine Guts -- without the Beast of Darkness...

But visuals and audio were the real stinkers here. The visual quality was all over the place -- from competent to straight up terrible-looking facial expressions and animations. It doesn't appear to have been animated by people confident in their abilities, or who had much experience with the tools. And that Dragon Slayer sound effect -- would smashing skeletons really sound like Guts was knocking over metal garbage cans in the street?

Ultimately, I feel like this was just a shitty opening episode because of all the choices they made to cram material in to cover their bases for Black Swordsman and Lost Children, so they can speedily make the transition to Conviction. Future episodes will probably be smoother.

It's worth mentioning that it was amazing to be watching this thing translated — legitimately — mere hours after Japan got it. That's the dream, right? Kudos to CrunchyRoll for that, even if they went back on the Hawk->Falcon translation.  :void:
Title: Re: 2016 Berserk TV series: Episode 1
Post by: ryOtoha on July 01, 2016, 07:02:56 PM
I'm not upset, just sad for Miura and all the people involved in this inconsistent, dated, amateur, low budget, poor taste, pathetic adaptation. They even have a really hard time depicting they own vision of what Berserk is. This is tragic.

It felt like those life situations when you're stuck in a very awkward and unpleasant position.
Title: Re: 2016 Berserk TV series: Episode 1
Post by: Aazealh on July 01, 2016, 07:14:55 PM
Since the thread moves very quickly, here are my first thoughts after watching this:

I think adding Flora and Schierke early on like that is clumsy. It's too much stuff at once (the H.I.C.K.s plus them) and it serves no purpose until so long after. Why not introduce Schierke around the time she is supposed to be (volume 22) and Flora in volume 24? For those saying the bullshit will be limited to this one episode, this should be a clue that it's going to be a general thing. If they feel they can take shortcuts with the introduction of the core elements of the series (Guts, Puck, the Brand, Apostles...), then they will with everything else as well.

Anyway, they translated Femto's title as "Falcon of Darkness" in the trailer but it became "Hawk of Darkness". In the actual episode. Nice "fix". :schierke:

Isidro's introduction is also pretty clumsy. I see what they tried to do, but it doesn't do his character justice at all. His introduction in the manga was very important to set the tone for his character and while this approximates a vaguely similar context, it fails to fulfill what actually matters. They could have been smarter, like to have him try and steal from the bandits while they toyed with Puck. Small change, big difference. Of course, the bar fight is a travesty. The visuals are shit, as are the animations. I'm not sure what the point of not showing the Dragon Slayer until later is. A progression towards a dramatic reveal? What a stupid idea.

Also, Guts comes in to get his water flask filled and to buy a bottle of rum so he can flambé the rabbit he doesn't yet know he'll catch? Really? That feels so random, not to mention that rum is produced from sugar canes. Does it look like there are any around there? They could have at least made it wine or cognac or anything. I mean it's a small thing but geez, any idiot knows these things. And of course, Guts cooking at night is ridiculous. He fights all night long, every night, that's a core tenet of the Black Swordsman period. Putting out his fire is similarly stupid, because it keeps specters at bay. And that scene lasts forever too, and basically serves no purpose other than to show us Puck catching up with him.

Puck's dialogue is unconvincing too. It made sense in the manga because he follows Guts right away, but here it feels like he went out of his way to search for Guts for hours. I am 100% for sticking to the manga and I appreciate their efforts in that regard, but just transposing the dialogue to another context doesn't work. Making the absolute loser bandits from volume 14 into badasses to the thugs from volume 1 is also pathetic. It's nonsense. And I mean they chose the worst guy too, whose character design inherently implies he's worthless. He couldn't even stand up to a tied-up Jill in the manga. How anyone could make that choice, I don't know. Colette's voice acting sucks, and they misspell her name (but then again so did Dark Horse, I guess a Google search is above any and all of them). They give the old guy a random name... Ok? Serves no purpose. They also change the dialogue uselessly just because they're desperate to hide the DS until the moment they chose to reveal it.

I'm surprised that they spent so long on the dialogue with the monk instead of focusing on stuff that matters more, like the Brand or beherits, or apostles or Puck or anything really. To reveal the Brand in the dream feels like a very undramatic way of showing it to me. Kind of a wasted opportunity. And God does the music suck. When Guts yells Griffith at 13:00, Jesus Christ that's bad. Terrible voice acting. I find the way they cut between scenes to be super abrupt when Colette is killed. The Dragon Slayer's sound effects are so weird. Definitely feel off. The paused skeletons are weird. They're supposed to be waiting to see what the possessed Colette pulls off, not just stay there completely frozen right next to Guts.

The tree also makes no sense at all. In the manga, it "comes alive" because Guts is near. Because of the Brand. To have it travel through the forest, even aside from the fact a tree typically doesn't move, is ridiculous and contrary to how things work in Berserk's world. Also, what's the point of making up a story about there being 20 guys and the bandits being a big group and all of that bullshit if it's to show nothing for it? The tree could have showed up on its own and it would have made no difference. The tree looks like it's from a PSX cutscene by the way. Yikes. That fight is absolutely stupid too. Guts is immediately at the tree's mercy, literally about to die. Then he sees Colette's corpse also about to get eaten and gets pissed, and with a single sword strike kills the tree, which immediately dies in a weird dust tornado. Then queue the sad music for Colette, ruining the complex mood of the scene.

Anyway, I wonder why they couldn't just use any random apostle here instead? A made-up one, or the Snake Baron or whatever... I can hear that maybe they wanted characters (bandits and tree) to feel familiar to fans, but this really wasn't the best way to do it. They completely miss the point of why he shoots his cannon in the trees (the specters were hiding in the branches and it blew them off). The ending song is hilariously inappropriate. Next episode promises to feature some terrible shortcuts as well, so you guys better be ready.

Also it seems to me, given the pace of things, that the Conviction arc will be wrapped up in 13 episodes.
Title: Re: 2016 Berserk TV series: Episode 1
Post by: Nothingwillbewong on July 01, 2016, 07:19:20 PM
People who say wether or not this animation is good is a matter of opinion is what annoys me the most when talking about this adaptation, and no amount of actual animation and artistic flaws presented as dare I say it FACT can change the fact that to them we are whiners that should be grateful we are given anything at all. Well I'll be the first to say that sometimes less is more
Title: Re: 2016 Berserk TV series: Episode 1
Post by: Feeblecursedone on July 01, 2016, 07:21:03 PM
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Anyway, I wonder why they couldn't just use any random apostle here instead? A made-up one, or the Snake Baron or whatever

Yeah, Snake Baron is a perfect introduction into an apostle's world and what they stand for, given his classical villain-ish appearance. Since they already went with made up fights, it could have been at least Guts vs Baron to offer some information on apostles to casual watchers. " Oh ok, so these guys are demons and they're the main opponents for Guts. ) Instead of random possessed tree.
Title: Re: 2016 Berserk TV series: Episode 1
Post by: volatilecurry on July 01, 2016, 07:31:26 PM
I had low expectations after the previews and the GA movies (which I absolutely hated) and I was still disappointed. The 3D character models and animation is just so stiff and unattractive. 3D chestnut Puck was something I really could have done without too.

The story changes they made here didn't bother me as much as it seems to bother others. Knowing they'd cut early parts of Conviction, it sort of made sense to introduce Isidro the way they did. And honestly, the manga scene that he's introduced in is sort of a throw away. It shows Kushan soldiers and some cool moves from Guts but it can be replaced without any significant impact on the story. Schierke's cameo was unexpected but also harmless. If Miura had planned for her back in 1989, I wonder if she might have had similar introduction in the Conviction arc. I was really thrown off by some of the dialogue though. I don't know what Crunchyroll's track record is with accurate subtitles, but that line about the tree not being suitable firewood was... Well it was something.

On the positive side, I think the Opening was pretty well done. There were some hints of really nice hand-drawn animation in there too, which makes it even more of a shame that this was basically not present at all in the actual show. It's like getting a glimpse of what the show could have looked like if it had a better budget. I think the soundtrack in general is pretty good so far. It's no Hirasawa soundtrack but by no means is it bad.

Overall I felt like the episode was alright. It didn't offend my family like the first GA trilogy movie did but it didn't make me happy either. Knowing it would blend 2D and 3D animation, I had hoped it would use mostly 2D and only 3D during action scenes. That's probably my biggest disappointment with this. But it was still entertaining I guess.
Title: Re: 2016 Berserk TV series: Episode 1
Post by: tariku-san on July 01, 2016, 07:33:30 PM
To keep it short. The Animation, CG, Music, art direction, illustrations and mostly the story telling where all SHIT, poor in quality and shameful for such a masterpiece. Miura teamed up with the wrong people. The sad thing is he also teamed up with what I believe to be the wrong people for the upcoming game (koei tecmo).

Truly a sad outcome for the franchise and its fans mostly. 
Title: Re: 2016 Berserk TV series: Episode 1
Post by: PENumber2 on July 01, 2016, 07:33:52 PM
Hopefully this series can some day look as good as Sailor Moon Crystal. :sad:

It's not so much the look as the animation. It's like they've never seen someone walk. Also the first half of the episode and even the opening intro has a lot of extreme close ups where I just wish they'd have "pulled the camera back some" or drawn more. No one's hair moves, Guts cape is apparently a stiff hunk of plastic. Some shots did look like panels from the manga but they didn't get the tree monster right at all. It needed more faces and they needed to look as if they were carved into it. It reminded me of the skeleton tree from Nightmare Before Christmas.
Title: Re: 2016 Berserk TV series: Episode 1
Post by: Aazealh on July 01, 2016, 07:38:17 PM
The anime project's initial goal was to animate the entire series, but obviously this hasn't panned out.  These folks attempted to do Golden Age in a single movie for a reason - they wanted to get to new material.

If they wanted to get to new material, they should have started with the Black Swordsman arc. It could have been done in one movie. Then they could have moved on to other things as they saw fit. So I think you're wrong here, and that's supported by what the director said at the time. Anyway, the team in charge of the animation isn't the same anymore so it's moot.

This first episode seems to have been pieced together with the same intention.  It really was a jumbled mess, thanks to the editing, and everything was moving at break neck speed.  The episode shows us that Guts' brand attracks evil spirits, Guts is in constant danger, and he does not bat an eye at taking a life (but not really since he hesitates to kill Colette).  We are reminded of the eclipse, shown some main characters, and get a full demonstration of Guts' arsenal and combat prowess.  The story was butchered to catapault it into the next phase.

Yeah but this misses the point of the Black Swordsman arc (which is entirely new material) playing a vital role in establishing core aspects of the story, the world, and the characters. So they'll shoehorn all that (or skip it) as they go... and for what reason?

My theory - they haven't adapated the story faithfully thus far because they have no confidence in the post eclipse episodes bringing in viewers.  Someone determined incarnation was the way to get the most viewers, so do whatever it takes to get us to that material.

Unfortunately, it's the journey that matters, not the destination. Berserk is the story of Guts. If they have no faith in that, then they shouldn't take on the project to begin with. There's no excuse here.

I think it is entirely possible that we reach a point where the writers believe they have adequately set the table and are ready to present the story accurately.  I could be completely wrong but I'm gonna give this project the benefit of the doubt for a few episodes before I banish it to hell.

I'm willing to bet that you are indeed wrong here.

This was honestly the most disappointing part for me.

You need to set your priorities straight... I mean it sucks that they don't portray her faithfully in the intro, but it's the lesser problem here. Her depiction (yet to come) in the actual series is what should be the real concern.

It looks like someone has done the 1st round of fan edits for the new Berserk series all ready by editing out the op song and replacing it with "Tell me Why by Pen Pals" I can't wait for the ED song to be swapped out for "Waiting so Long by Silver Fins".

Who cares, those were terrible.

I refuse to watch this since it looks so bad but is the Hirasawa song any good? Can't find it on YouTube anywhere yet (and yet that rubbish rock song is, wtf?)

It's only heard after the credits, in the preview for the next episode. It's cool. "Typical Hirasawa stuff" is how I'd describe it. I certainly like it better than the rest.

Since they already went with made up fights, it could have been at least Guts vs Baron to offer some information on apostles to casual watchers. " Oh ok, so these guys are demons and they're the main opponents for Guts. ) Instead of random possessed tree.

Indeed. The Conviction arc assumes that the reader knows about the basic principles of the series. Not mentioning apostles until... the Beherit Apostle? Given how much of a special case he is, that feels like a terrible decision. But then again, for all we know Guts will save Farnese from the Slug Count after escaping the H.I.C.K.'s camp...

Miura teamed up with the wrong people.

Not sure he's got much say in this. Hakusensha does manage the Berserk IP after all.
Title: Re: 2016 Berserk TV series: Episode 1
Post by: asic on July 01, 2016, 08:17:50 PM
The intro was kinda neat, all nice smooth 2d animation for the most parts and there was a few seconds here and there I liked and that's about all the positives I have. That's barely a few min's out of a full episode.

The pacing was completely Schnoz'd!! There was hardly any time to breathe in that episode everything just went past so fucking quick. We get moments where the camera is not controlled by a 2 year old but instead there is terribly off putting music, ruining what was left to be ruined.

Just fucking great.

Even on a low budget you can have good pacing, consistent art and camera work, it just shows how inexperienced they are or how unprofessionally they take it. For fuck sake will Berserk ever get some god damn respect from these hacks!! Is Berserk so unpopular in Japan that it can't even get a decent budget and studio to make it proper? Is the state of the Japanese animation industry so fucked? Or is it just completely incompetent people in charge? 
Title: Re: 2016 Berserk TV series: Episode 1
Post by: Gummyskull on July 01, 2016, 08:21:09 PM


You need to set your priorities straight... I mean it sucks that they don't portray her faithfully in the intro, but it's the lesser problem here. Her depiction (yet to come) in the actual series is what should be the real concern.

True. I'm dreading how she'll be portrayed later based on the art direction so far.
Title: Re: 2016 Berserk TV series: Episode 1
Post by: Kaladin on July 01, 2016, 08:29:39 PM
what bothered me the most isn't even the cgi but how they changed some scenes and mashed these episodes in together, we knew this was gonna happen based on the episode titles so i didn't think i'd get bothered as much but i did. don't really like the intro and that song sounds terrible and i don't see it growing on me, no thank you. other than that i enjoyed it, i think its gonna get better going forward, but thats not really saying much.

oh and Caucasian casca....why just why?!?!?!  :???:

puck was the best part  :puck:

here is a nicely drawn shot of him

(http://i.imgur.com/zAr1ILH.png)
Title: Re: 2016 Berserk TV series: Episode 1
Post by: ryOtoha on July 01, 2016, 08:47:30 PM
People who say wether or not this animation is good is a matter of opinion is what annoys me the most when talking about this adaptation, and no amount of actual animation and artistic flaws presented as dare I say it FACT can change the fact that to them we are whiners that should be grateful we are given anything at all. Well I'll be the first to say that sometimes less is more

If somebody profundly loves and respects the work of an artist, well, he knows that the source material is complete in itself. All the rest is either a well or badly designed tie-in product.
Title: Re: 2016 Berserk TV series: Episode 1
Post by: Nothingwillbewong on July 01, 2016, 09:03:01 PM
If somebody profundly loves and respects the work of an artist, well, he knows that the source material is complete in itself. All the rest is either a well or badly designed tie-in product.

Yes, right you are. The adaptation was just a bad case of the flu for me, now I just can't wait to get more monthly Berserk.
Title: Re: 2016 Berserk TV series: Episode 1
Post by: puella on July 01, 2016, 09:15:54 PM
Watching the episode, my first impression was that they made the same mistake as the movies: misinterpreting Guts!
I feel like they're depicting Kenshiro (from Hokuto no Ken) instead of Guts. In Japanese, there's a word pronounced "fukashi". It's typically used for a man who does everything in an overly dramatic fashion, which is not how Guts is at all.
Getting the details wrong, using crappy CG... these don't matter much when our main hero is fucked to begin with. :rickert:
Title: Re: 2016 Berserk TV series: Episode 1
Post by: Nothingwillbewong on July 01, 2016, 09:25:06 PM
Whoever made the site's emojis should have been in charge of the art department these are amazing ahaha :rickert:
Title: Re: 2016 Berserk TV series: Episode 1
Post by: Goosper on July 01, 2016, 09:28:45 PM
Guts is so one-dimensional. None of his motivations in the Black Swordsman Arc (like y'know, hunting down apostles for the sake of revenge) are laid out. He's not aggressive only somewhat cynical, he basically beats the shit out of some guys in a tavern for no reason (because he's an anime hero I guess), and there's no buildup on the relationship between him and Puck. None of this is helped by the dry voice acting and lack of decent facial expressions. When they can't even lay out the basic motivations of the main character in the first episode, then I don't see how this can get any better without an attempt to repair it with some awkwardly placed flashbacks.

Also first time poster. Hi.
Title: Re: 2016 Berserk TV series: Episode 1
Post by: Walter on July 01, 2016, 09:43:44 PM
(http://skullknight.net/podcast/anime-podcast.jpg) (http://skullknight.net/podcast/Podcast-anime2016.mp3)
SPECIAL: Berserk (2016) Anime Impressions - Episode 1 (http://skullknight.net/podcast/Podcast-anime2016.mp3) (19m)

Walter and Aaz share their takes on the new Berserk anime, the day that it aired.
Title: Re: 2016 Berserk TV series: Episode 1
Post by: buttonmasher on July 01, 2016, 09:44:21 PM
If they wanted to get to new material, they should have started with the Black Swordsman arc. It could have been done in one movie. Then they could have moved on to other things as they saw fit. So I think you're wrong here, and that's supported by what the director said at the time. Anyway, the team in charge of the animation isn't the same anymore so it's moot.

Yeah but this misses the point of the Black Swordsman arc (which is entirely new material) playing a vital role in establishing core aspects of the story, the world, and the characters. So they'll shoehorn all that (or skip it) as they go... and for what reason?

Unfortunately, it's the journey that matters, not the destination. Berserk is the story of Guts. If they have no faith in that, then they shouldn't take on the project to begin with. There's no excuse here.

For the record, I agree with you 100%.  I am in no way carrying water for this adaptation or trying to excuse it.  I wanted it adapted from page 1 using the manga as a story board, but obviously we are light years away from that sort of thing.  I'm suggesting the episode is a cobbled mess, in large part, because they are rushing to the part of the story they want to tell - something akin to what they did with the movies.  When we get to that point, maybe they will adapt it in a more faithful manner.  There's no going back and damage has been done but maybe this series will get better when it hits its stride.
Title: Re: 2016 Berserk TV series: Episode 1
Post by: Aazealh on July 01, 2016, 09:55:54 PM
I'm suggesting the episode is a cobbled mess, in large part, because they are rushing to the part of the story they want to tell - something akin to what they did with the movies.  When we get to that point, maybe they will adapt it in a more faithful manner.

I understand, and I agree with the first part. Clearly, frankensteining various parts of the story to fashion a makeshift introductionary episode for their anime did not work in their favor. Where I'm less optimistic however is about the fact it might become good. I also had this discussion with Walter on the podcast he just posted. Basically, I don't think the rush to get to the Conviction arc excuses everything that was wrong here. I think the writing is on the wall that these guys aren't very good at their job, and that more important story elements will be cut or changed going forward, resulting in a mess. Time will tell.
Title: Re: 2016 Berserk TV series: Episode 1
Post by: TricksieThiefsie on July 01, 2016, 09:57:53 PM
I am kinda sad for those who worked on this anime. Not every one of them wanted this to turn out to such shameless, distasteful piece of work. But that is not the worst thing really, we can ignore all of this if we want to. The worst thing is that some people are buried so deep in their own arses that they refuse to see, understand, accept any criticism. For them it's like a godsend, that we got SOMETHING for Berserk. Doesn't matter if it's bad, its existence alone is good enough.

That is a shame, because I always thought that Berserk fanbase is much more "hardcore". I don't mind new people joining in, that's a good thing, but they have to get out of their comfort zone.
Title: Re: 2016 Berserk TV series: Episode 1
Post by: residentgrigo on July 01, 2016, 10:40:05 PM
@Aazealh I have been lurking for 10 years so don't expect much from my posts but i will note that mangaka have high amount of creative control on the adaptation process if they want to.
They share a 50/50 share in that with the publisher. ANN once wrote a feature on that, please trust me before i start digging. In utterly agree on you podcast assessments that Miura was swindled by 4°C with a fancy pilot, so that's why the films (5/10, 4/10 and 3/10 in the order of release) turned to shit. But the key staff all got fired, so there is that. Yay?
Why is the new show so incomprehensibly broken though? I don't know. He can say no if someone wants to do a Pachinko machine and the publisher will need to agree. I chose this unfitting example as that happened with Kenshin. He could have said no to this show or forced small details on them, as once happened with Fruit Basket (some coloring thing i don't remember). Masami Tsuda more or less got Hideaki Anno (!) fired from Kare Kano as she disliked his comedy focus and i have more strange anecdotes. A lot of mangaka don't utilize these rights though as they are overworked, too "polite", not experienced in such matters or whatever. Thus i don't believe that Miura is involved in more then let's say a DVD cover. So why this latest abortion? My guess:

The films 100% bombed and the property is now "tainted" from an anime adaptation perspective for the next few years. The anime is also a strict midnight / steaming affair and the content in Berserk will keep all sorts of distribution partners away. The last 1997 DVD lacked distribution by US retailers to my knowledge, and they stepped of the content gas compared to the manga. The anime market is still sadly supported by home release sales, for the most part, and in sharp decline for 2 years. Don't get me started.... All of that is a mountain of bad. Berserk, Vinland Saga, the like don't fit into the mold and huge successes in one filed don't necessary translate. Hello Stephen King, Dune, all LoTR adaptations before 2001, Watchmen (great film in the complete cut and more successful that most believe) and so on. Beggars (by God, is this what we are now?) can't be choosers and a no name staff was the only thing left for the (changed) production staff. The manga will again get exposure, with 1 or 2 new volumes around the time of the home release, and the trashy game will also benefit. What we are currently watching is thus a cheap multimedia add. Nothing less and nothing more. I straight out refuse to call ANY of what i saw television, as what i watched was upside-down broken. 3/10 Donīt watch it if you havenīt, just say no.
I of course expect ep. 2 or 3 to be "better" for obvious reasons, a lofty 5/10 even, but what does this mean? Is the promise of me "only" being annoyed and confused for 20 minutes better than questioning the staff's and my own sanity? As this is what i experienced for 24 minutes today.
PS: The mindbogglingly opening is the least comprehensible piece of animation i saw in years and i have graded 2563 pieces of animated content on ANN and even more on Imdb. Was it put together by aliens? Did Japan accidentally discover Dadaism :troll: .

A warm hello to the SK staff from Germany, despite this sad day for the community.
Title: Re: 2016 Berserk TV series: Episode 1
Post by: Dragon Warrior on July 01, 2016, 10:47:02 PM
Does anyone know where i can find the bew song "Hai yo" ?
Title: Re: 2016 Berserk TV series: Episode 1
Post by: Arles on July 01, 2016, 10:51:11 PM
PS: The mindbogglingly opening is the least comprehensible piece of animation i saw in years and i have graded 2563 pieces of animated content on ANN and even more on Imdb. Was it put together by aliens? Did Japan accidentally discover Dadaism :troll: .

That one made my day  :ganishka:
Title: Re: 2016 Berserk TV series: Episode 1
Post by: JMP on July 01, 2016, 10:56:37 PM
Overall, it was the crap-fest I was afraid it would be. Man, that whole tree debacle was particularly sad. Too damp for firewood is right! :schierke:  I don't understand why Berserk can't get a good anime adaptation. :mozgus:
Title: Re: 2016 Berserk TV series: Episode 1
Post by: Dragon Warrior on July 01, 2016, 10:59:41 PM
I guess we all should just be thankful at least this anime is alive again... it's better than nothing.

Even if they skipped lot of moments. I'm still excited to watch the next episode and the rest of the anime



EDIT
I didn't like how they made Isidro appear in this arc (which is never happened in the manga). It just... sounds too wrong, I don't like it when they skip very good moments that happened in the manga and insert NEW moments that never happened.


About Guts's design: It doesn't really look that bad like the movies. Guts design in the movies was really different than the manga. At least this version is closer...
Title: Re: 2016 Berserk TV series: Episode 1
Post by: Jackolyn on July 01, 2016, 11:13:20 PM
Thanks for the podcast guys! Overall you basically hit the nail on the head and I'm surprised you didn't discuss the animation or music choices, though I suspect it was to save on the run-time.

Personally I went into this as a very eager Berserk fan just excited for new material to be animated. The promotional pieces such as the trailer and posters had me wavering between really excited and terrified as there were a lot of questionable animation choices and I was really sad to see that the first episode didn't clean up as much as I hoped it would. The animation alone I think will scare a lot of people away, (as the movies have done exactly the same) I've never been a fan of 3D anime (ala RWBY) so to see it awkwardly meshed with 2D had me saddened. (They literally overlayed the shadows with a later of scribbled graphite to give it texture....a very jarring choice overtop of 3D character models). I see where they were going but I really hope that the series cleans up as it continues.

As far as the music goes, I'm not a fan of the intro/closing music at all, but I didn't mind the inclusion of some of the movies score remixed, it fit really well and despite taking the heavy metal route a bit too far, I was happy to hear familiar scores overall and found that moments where the movies soundtrack played were my favorites.

I also really enjoyed the sound of the Dragonslayer but they did overdo it a bit when he was chopping up the skeletons. I know they had a bit of armor on, but they were still majority bone...they weren't made of metal.

I will still eagerly tune in every week to see where it goes, overall a very choppy first episode but I look forward to seeing how they handle the rest of the series (and I look forward to hearing expanded musical scores!)
Title: Re: 2016 Berserk TV series: Episode 1
Post by: JellyfishJam on July 01, 2016, 11:15:05 PM
it's better than nothing.
This might sound harsh, but I honestly don't think it is.
Title: Re: 2016 Berserk TV series: Episode 1
Post by: Dragon Warrior on July 01, 2016, 11:18:31 PM
I didn't like the intro music much. But at least it was better than ''Tell me why''

It would have been better if they made ''Hai Yo'' the intro song or any other susumu hirasawa song from the past.
Title: Re: 2016 Berserk TV series: Episode 1
Post by: Feeblecursedone on July 01, 2016, 11:52:05 PM
I was so inspired by today's episode i had to write this.  :schnoz: wowsuchtalent.

Feel no shame about our bait
We never change our ways
Even mother will gouge her eyes out for days
So put your glasses on
Everything will be wrong
There's blame, there's no fame
Its up to you, the first episode should be fined
Whatever holds us back
We can't, We can't get it right

Tell me why, tell me why, tell me why this blows
I dont know why, I dont  know why, dont know why this blows,
Tell me what, tell me what, tell me what you smoke,
I do not want, I do not want, do not want...
Its late
Its too late...

Have no fear for real
It's just a starting deal
Once you start up there's no other way
Don't put your eyes on screen
Or you'll need a dose of cocaine

There's no point, there's no reason
It belongs to us

Before you miss something given
You should know what's truth
We can't, We can't make it right

 :schnoz:
Title: Re: 2016 Berserk TV series: Episode 1
Post by: Delta Phi on July 02, 2016, 01:04:21 AM
Very interesting news posted on Reddit: Crunchyroll will be producing the English-dubbed Bluray and DVD

Source: http://www.crunchyroll.com/forumtopic-957985/crunchyroll-comes-to-blu-ray-and-dvd
Title: Re: 2016 Berserk TV series: Episode 1
Post by: NightCrawler on July 02, 2016, 01:46:34 AM
It seems that quality Berserk related media (97 anime, DC game) is only released during quality Berserk manga periods :badbone: :daiba:
Title: Re: 2016 Berserk TV series: Episode 1
Post by: Griffith on July 02, 2016, 02:46:29 AM
Basically, I don't think the rush to get to the Conviction arc excuses everything that was wrong here. I think the writing is on the wall that these guys aren't very good at their job, and that more important story elements will be cut or changed going forward, resulting in a mess. Time will tell.

Even that's being too kind. It was nice for about 30 seconds, getting to see the HICKS, Schierke, and Flora(!), but then it immediately sticks the plot in a blender and gives us Robo-Guts action figure action that's an unmitigated disaster in every way. Worse than my lowest expectations and I was already expecting that. It's like a cross between South Park and mid-2000's Flash videos written by monkeys. This abortion is DOA.

Though I did get a kick out of the Seinfeldesque theme when we see Guts eating in the woods. It's like his diner! Maybe this is a nightmare comedy like Tim & Eric or The Eric Andre Show. Berserk Anime, a Cinco product.

It seems that quality Berserk related media (97 anime, DC game) is only released during quality Berserk manga periods :badbone: :daiba:

You mean they correlate. I can't wait to see how the quality of Berserk adaptations continues to evolve:

(https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/10/a2/18/10a21809b2720a47ca78d85039c5a5ae.jpg)
Title: Re: 2016 Berserk TV series: Episode 1
Post by: Johnny Apples on July 02, 2016, 03:12:05 AM
You mean they correlate. I can't wait to see how the quality of Berserk adaptations continues to evolve:

(https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/10/a2/18/10a21809b2720a47ca78d85039c5a5ae.jpg)

After all the recent clusterfuck of Berserk anime since 2012, what if Trey Parker and Matt Stone had adapted the Berserk manga in their own South Park-like cutout cartoon style? Yep, their Berserk adaption would still come out on top  :ganishka:
But speaking of evolving animated adaptation quality, forget Parker and Stone for a second, Griff.  Suppose Don Hertzfeldt wanted to have a go at Berserk?  :iva:

What would Guts and Co. look like, if rendered in Bitter Films-style animation?
Title: Re: 2016 Berserk TV series: Episode 1
Post by: -cause on July 02, 2016, 03:13:33 AM
First episode was complete trash in my opinion.
I came in with low expectations and I assumed they'd be leaving a lot out, but I thought the way in which they actually went about doing it was careless. I really can't think of anything specific that I liked about the episode. Not the opening, music, colors, animation, sound effects, pacing; nothing.
I'm hoping that future episodes will be a bit better now that they've set the pace and gotten the so-called introductory episode over with.

Maybe I'm just being overly critical. I'll rewatch it again in a few days and see if my opinion differs but I doubt it will. As for the series as a whole, I guess we'll just have to wait and see what becomes of it with the release of future episodes.
Title: Re: 2016 Berserk TV series: Episode 1
Post by: Griffith on July 02, 2016, 03:26:19 AM
Don't bother watching again -cause, you got it perfect the first time.
Title: Re: 2016 Berserk TV series: Episode 1
Post by: VengeanceQuest982 on July 02, 2016, 03:33:47 AM
Berserk: Past, Present, and Future - Anime News Network (http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/feature/2016-06-28/berserk-past-present-and-future/.103719)


Here are some reviews "cough"


The New Berserk Anime Already Outshines The 90s Original (http://kotaku.com/the-new-berserk-anime-already-outshines-the-90s-origina-1782990737)
* Not even close to outshining the original as the original is a shining beacon to those who're escaping the shadow of this current project

Berserk Episode 1 - "The Branded Swordsman" Review - IGN (http://www.ign.com/articles/2016/07/01/berserk-episode-1-the-branded-swordsman-review)
Title: Re: 2016 Berserk TV series: Episode 1
Post by: Griffith on July 02, 2016, 04:03:45 AM
The New Berserk Anime Already Outshines The 90s Original (http://kotaku.com/the-new-berserk-anime-already-outshines-the-90s-origina-1782990737)
* Not even close to outshining the original as the original is a shining beacon to those who're escaping the shadow of this current project

There's something so twisted about seeing the series praised in the form of this perversion. I mean, it's a lie and a shame that this represents Berserk to the unwitting world now. It just keeps getting worse.
Title: Re: 2016 Berserk TV series: Episode 1
Post by: Cyrus Jong on July 02, 2016, 04:28:02 AM
I knew it was going to be crap going in and I was still disappointed. I honestly found it insulting.

Well at least it can't be worse XD.
To be honest we already knew they were going to ruin the first episodes lets see if the arc they have planned to show is at least decent.
Hey, don't jinx it. Hmmm, on second thought, jinx away. A (large) part of me would like to see this get cancelled. One, to send a message to every studio exec out there that this level of quality and disrespect is not acceptable, for Berserk or any series. And two, to prove to every apologist that the removals, changes, and cut corners that were made were never justifiable, no matter how much they defended them because of...reasons similar to a psychological phenomenon named after a certain city in Sweden.


Here are some reviews "cough"


The New Berserk Anime Already Outshines The 90s Original (http://kotaku.com/the-new-berserk-anime-already-outshines-the-90s-origina-1782990737)
* Not even close to outshining the original as the original is a shining beacon to those who're escaping the shadow of this current project

Berserk Episode 1 - "The Branded Swordsman" Review - IGN (http://www.ign.com/articles/2016/07/01/berserk-episode-1-the-branded-swordsman-review)
What are people seeing in this? Is there something I (and I suppose nearly everyone else here) am missing? Is pacing no longer an important quality to storytelling? Is telling a coherent story that makes sense at all a thing of the past? I don't know how anyone who's unfamiliar with the source material could understand what in Frith's name is fucking going on in this episode due to how haphazardly it was cut together.

Then again, that hack at Kotaku clearly doesn't know what she's talking about. The second she calls Berserk a shonen should be your cue to hit the "back" button.
Title: Re: 2016 Berserk TV series: Episode 1
Post by: Rupert Sinclair on July 02, 2016, 04:33:15 AM
Just imagine what someone who's never read the series and is watching this as their first Berserk experience is going to think.  Why are the Holy Iron Chain Knights pursuing Guts?  What are Apostles?  Beherit?  God Hand?  This series makes no sense!  :???:

Not like those fucking movies are going to help any.
Title: Re: 2016 Berserk TV series: Episode 1
Post by: krzykoopa on July 02, 2016, 04:37:12 AM
I just don't get it, I really do not. Sigh
Title: Re: 2016 Berserk TV series: Episode 1
Post by: Halcian on July 02, 2016, 06:29:35 AM
I quite enjoyed the intro, that was probably the best thing about this anime adaption so far.
Title: Re: 2016 Berserk TV series: Episode 1
Post by: Jaze1618 on July 02, 2016, 07:33:56 AM
An angry rant about the terrible first episode already has 17K+ views (some of you are familiar with chibireviews other berserk videos as well) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2x22Jrq721s
Title: Re: 2016 Berserk TV series: Episode 1
Post by: Earthlingzing on July 02, 2016, 07:37:02 AM
I'm just glad that the changes are clumsy as opposed to horrifyingly bastardised which was what I was expecting from the various comments.

I wish they had just done Black Swordsman and Lost Children, that way it'll be more accessible to new viewers and be more faithful to the story. Conviction is good but most of it matters more in the larger picture; a series with episodic adventures of Black Swordsman Guts would have made for a fascinating adaptation, plus the art is kind of shoddy in the first few volumes anyway.
Title: Re: 2016 Berserk TV series: Episode 1
Post by: DirectDK on July 02, 2016, 07:39:20 AM
Again, I'm in the minority here (haha), but I enjoyed the episode!  I found the art style and shading to be really cool actually, and I stated several posts back that I didn't like the way they looked in the trailer.  But seeing it in the context of the entire episode, I felt it made the show look really unique with a slight old school vibe.  As for the CG elements, in the same way, it gave the show a different a unique look, and I think it worked well in certain scenes, especially with super natural elements.

I also thought they did a great job with capturing Puck's image and personality.  The voice actor did a terrific job imo.  I laughed at all the funny Puck moments, and then got all emotional during the more somber parts.  It was cool to finally see!

The pacing felt fast, but not too fast.  I'll have to revisit this though, as the series runs on.  I think it was a good establishing episode.

Lastly, the music.  Susumu Hirasawa all day every day for me.  So naturally, I wasn't too crazy about some of the music cues.  But it didn't distract me, for which I'm glad.  I remember during the Eclipse / Casca scene in movie 3 of the trilogy... there was this intense piano solo that came in that was just too much for me.  That took me out of the moment and I wish they could have just kept it alone during that crucial scene.  Fortunately, the soundtrack in ep 1 didn't botch any scenes for me.  On the flip side, it didn't add much either, so I'm hoping this is something that the show will improve on in future eps.
Title: Re: 2016 Berserk TV series: Episode 1
Post by: Squiddot on July 02, 2016, 07:47:27 AM
Are we going to be posting all future episode discussion in this one thread? Because I propose a separate thread for each episode as they get released.

Can't add my two cents because i haven't found a way to watch it yet, Crunchyroll skipped my country. Picked up Game of Thrones instead, and reading through these  reactions i think i think that  may have been the right choice. :schnoz:

I did see the opening...and I don't wanna talk about it.  :sad:
Title: Re: 2016 Berserk TV series: Episode 1
Post by: Feeblecursedone on July 02, 2016, 08:53:11 AM
Berserk: Past, Present, and Future - Anime News Network (http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/feature/2016-06-28/berserk-past-present-and-future/.103719)


Here are some reviews "cough"


The New Berserk Anime Already Outshines The 90s Original (http://kotaku.com/the-new-berserk-anime-already-outshines-the-90s-origina-1782990737)
* Not even close to outshining the original as the original is a shining beacon to those who're escaping the shadow of this current project

Berserk Episode 1 - "The Branded Swordsman" Review - IGN (http://www.ign.com/articles/2016/07/01/berserk-episode-1-the-branded-swordsman-review)

Wow this woman has no idea what she's talking about. Grit and gore, unmatched writing, better than the emo version from 1997, doing justice to shounen manga, WHAAAAAAA.  :???:

What's worse she'll pull a wool over newcomers' eyes and convince them this is actually what happens in the manga and that this wowsocoolmuchgore shounen anime is awesome.  What the actual fuck.

Title: Re: 2016 Berserk TV series: Episode 1
Post by: The Beast of Darkness on July 02, 2016, 09:06:26 AM
With all the bad reviews I've read, I can't wait to watch this piece of shit...
Everything I've seen so far doesn't retranscribe what Berserk is.

Edit: Ok... I've just finished watching this "thing". It looks bad on so many levels that I don't understand why some people actually find that "enjoyable".
Guts (that face and those robot movements)... The depiction of Kenshiro instead of Guts (same feeling as Puella)... Puck looks (thanks to the CG) and sounds dumb... everything is exagerated, the tree, the musics, the events compressed and butchered, etc... I could add many more things. To be honest, it makes me want to insult the producers directly on their Twitter.
If I was a newcomer, this episode wouldn't makes me want to watch the next ones and read the manga.
Title: Re: 2016 Berserk TV series: Episode 1
Post by: residentgrigo on July 02, 2016, 09:42:18 AM
@VengeanceQuest982 Chibi got it right and IGN (a good enough site actually) is 100% incapable of critiquing anime. So is the current staff of ANN but the comment section is tearing it apart, even i wrote 2 comments.  The anime was so bad that i had trouble falling asleep last night. This is how i felt while reflecting on the "pilot":
(https://media.giphy.com/media/w9ZsDfZWxt80U/giphy.gif)
Berserk 2016 robbed me sleep! I have read Berserk hentai by Kuon Michiyoshi that is better than ep.1... Here are my 3 hours of tossing in my bed summed up: "Berserk 2016 is worse than porn".
Title: Re: 2016 Berserk TV series: Episode 1
Post by: Aazealh on July 02, 2016, 10:01:54 AM
@Aazealh I have been lurking for 10 years so don't expect much from my posts

Hello! I quite like your post and I actually share your opinion pretty much 100% (my previous answer to which you replied was shortened for time). :SK:

This might sound harsh, but I honestly don't think it is.

No I agree. From a die-hard fan perspective, having nothing would have been better than having this.

It seems that quality Berserk related media (97 anime, DC game) is only released during quality Berserk manga periods :badbone: :daiba:

Oh fuck off. You've been at this for 14 years, isn't it time you moved on?

Here are some reviews "cough"

If you're reading Kotaku to begin with, you've already lost. Given that their coverage of video game news is already terrible, it's no surprise whatever review they have of this adaptation is without legitimacy or critical thought.

I'm just glad that the changes are clumsy as opposed to horrifyingly bastardised which was what I was expecting from the various comments.

I'm not sure these two things are mutually exclusive.

Are we going to be posting all future episode discussion in this one thread? Because I propose a separate thread for each episode as they get released.

We'll do separate threads, and I'll probably split this one as well. (Edit: done)

Can't add my two cents because i haven't found a way to watch it yet, Crunchyroll skipped my country. Picked up Game of Thrones instead, and reading through these  reactions i think i think that  may have been the right choice. :schnoz:

There's probably a VPN solution that would allow you to watch it anyway. Up to you to decide whether it's worth it.
Title: Re: 2016 Berserk TV series: Episode 1
Post by: Viral Harvest on July 02, 2016, 10:52:28 AM
Can't wait for the eventual click-bait articles relating to the first episode premiere.

"YOU WON'T BELIEVE HOW OVER-THE-TOP THIS JAPANESE ANIME CARTOON GETS IN JUST 5 MINUTES. WOW. ONE SECRET THAT ANIMATORS DON'T WANT YOU TO KNOW ABOUT"

I'm calling it.
Title: Re: 2016 Berserk TV series: Episode 1
Post by: Aazealh on July 02, 2016, 11:05:43 AM
Can't wait for the eventual click-bait articles relating to the first episode premiere.

There's already a few reviews out (posted earlier on in the thread) that I'm sure you'd have a wonderful time reading.
Title: Re: 2016 Berserk TV series: Episode 1
Post by: residentgrigo on July 02, 2016, 12:26:23 PM
The only review anyone should trust is this:
(http://cdn.myanimelist.net/images/userimages/3715227.jpg)
The 1997 show is very respectable, all things considered, and managed to advertise the manga very well. Why did Berserk adaptions peak 19 years go?
I am off to write my "glowing" Imdb review, to accompany my entry for the films. Edit: The anime doesnīt have a page, as of now, but i will check daily.
Title: Re: 2016 Berserk TV series: Episode 1
Post by: NightCrawler on July 02, 2016, 01:08:17 PM
There's something so twisted about seeing the series praised in the form of this perversion. I mean, it's a lie and a shame that this represents Berserk to the unwitting world now. It just keeps getting worse.

What is truly shameful is that Miura has his name attached to this travesty. He was a script supervisor (if i recall correctly) on the 97 anime, and that came out pretty good. He distanced himself from the movies, and those were unwatchable. So why is he involved this time? He's even promoting it.
His role is most likely very small, but if he's attached, i bet he at least saw some form of a script(s). That makes his complicity very disappointing. He should've just Alan Moore'd all over this garbage.
Title: Re: 2016 Berserk TV series: Episode 1
Post by: Aazealh on July 02, 2016, 01:21:21 PM
What is truly shameful is that Miura has his name attached to this travesty. He was a script supervisor (if i recall correctly) on the 97 anime, and that came out pretty good. He distanced himself from the movies, and those were unwatchable. So why is he involved this time? He's even promoting it. His role is most likely very small, but if he's attached, i bet he at least saw some form of a script(s). That makes his complicity very disappointing.

Let's be real here, his name is attached no matter what he does. He's the author. And he's hardly promoting it beyond his "please enjoy the anime" comment in this week's Young Animal, which is about as standard and non-committal as you can get in Japan.

Anyway, if we want to hope beyond reason, I was talking to Gobolatula earlier about what to expect for the next episodes and told him that maybe Miura saw what they had early on in the production and decided to get involved to salvage the mess. Obviously what was already done couldn't be changed, but maybe the later parts will be less terrible as a result.

He should've just Alan Moore'd all over this garbage.

For better or worse, that's just not his personality.
Title: Re: 2016 Berserk TV series: Episode 1
Post by: TricksieThiefsie on July 02, 2016, 01:30:23 PM
Let's be real here, his name is attached no matter what he does. He's the author. And he's hardly promoting it beyond his "please enjoy the anime" comment in this week's Young Animal, which is about as standard and non-committal as you can get in Japan.

Anyway, if we want to hope beyond reason, I was talking to Gobolatula earlier about what to expect for the next episodes and told him that maybe Miura saw what they had early on in the production and decided to get involved to salvage the mess. Obviously what was already done couldn't be changed, but maybe the later parts will be less terrible as a result.

For better or worse, that's just not his personality.

I think we can actually blame Miura. In the end he decides if something like that exists or not and I dont believe he is not aware of it at all. Even if not, that's a bad thing too, what kind of an artist doesn't follow adaptations to his original work?

I can understand the game, maybe he likes Musou genre and thinks it fits Berserk. But to allow this anime to exist - I dont understand what he was thinking.
Title: Re: 2016 Berserk TV series: Episode 1
Post by: residentgrigo on July 02, 2016, 01:32:19 PM
@ NightCrawler/ Aazealh The creator of Hyouge Mono had his credit changed from "original story" to "original concept" during the animeīs early run and Hirohiko Araki apparently forbid the dvd release of the "JoJo's Bizarre Adventure: Phantom Blood" movie (!!!) but yeah, Miura is a nice man. Such (somewhat justifiable) stunts would never fly with him.
And Alan Moore, well. He is a genius, if i forget a lot of his works from the last decade, but he is as much a bane to the US comic industry as he used to be a blessing. Noone wins if the loudest media voice in the industry is constantly trying to bury it. He refused millions from the film side but he is still cashing his comic revenue checks... :schierke: .
PS: V for Vendetta and Watchmen are good films. Even From Hell is alright.
Title: Re: 2016 Berserk TV series: Episode 1
Post by: Aazealh on July 02, 2016, 02:00:15 PM
I think we can actually blame Miura. In the end he decides if something like that exists or not and I dont believe he is not aware of it at all. Even if not, that's a bad thing too, what kind of an artist doesn't follow adaptations to his original work? I can understand the game, maybe he likes Musou genre and thinks it fits Berserk. But to allow this anime to exist - I dont understand what he was thinking.

He certainly bears some responsability, but I find it hard to cast blame when we don't actually know how it went down. The announcement that the "entire series" would be adapted was made when the movie project was officially revealed. Could Miura have unilateraly cancelled it after the movies? How much money has Hakusensha invested in it and could they realistically back out of it? I'm not privy to what went on behind the scenes, so I'm not ready to judge who did or didn't do what they should have.

PS: V for Vendetta and Watchmen are good films.

No.
Title: Re: 2016 Berserk TV series: Episode 1
Post by: Salem on July 02, 2016, 02:18:44 PM
Aazealh, what do you think Miuras opinion of this anime is?  Do you think he enjoys it for what it is or do you feel he probably rejects it, but keeps it to himself?

This is my first post and my opinion is that the first episode had some good and bad moments.
Title: Re: 2016 Berserk TV series: Episode 1
Post by: Aazealh on July 02, 2016, 02:23:32 PM
Aazealh, what do you think Miuras opinion of this anime is?  Do you think he enjoys it for what it is or do you feel he probably rejects it, but keeps it to himself?

I don't know man. Right now my guess would be that he disapproves of it, but swallows his pride because of his extreme modesty and of the way Japanese culture and society works. But he might also consider that it's better to have those side projects than to not have them, even if only in terms of mindshare, and that their low quality will not reflect on the manga itself.
Title: Re: 2016 Berserk TV series: Episode 1
Post by: ryOtoha on July 02, 2016, 02:41:44 PM
I feel like they're depicting Kenshiro (from Hokuto no Ken) instead of Guts. In Japanese, there's a word pronounced "fukashi". It's typically used for a man who does everything in an overly dramatic fashion, which is not how Guts is at all.

Didn't think of Kenshiro but totally sharing the sentiment. The cliche soundtrack/bgms adds another layer to it  :schierke:
Title: Re: 2016 Berserk TV series: Episode 1
Post by: Delta Phi on July 02, 2016, 03:23:54 PM
Watched it again with my fiance, who begrudgingly watched the Golden Age trilogy some time ago (it's the only way I can get them to experience Berserk). Thought it would be fun to share a couple comments they made while watching:

Quote
The animation looks different. I don't like it.
Everything looks like it's been scribbled on.
Ooh, those trees! I can't wait for Christmas!

Captured the essence of the experience well, I thought. Anyway, looks like I'll be the only one watching in my household from now on despite their initial commitment to following me down this shithole.
Title: Re: 2016 Berserk TV series: Episode 1
Post by: residentgrigo on July 02, 2016, 04:24:43 PM
I have said my peace on ep.1 but one question remains on my mind. Next week is when the possessed horse will show up, right? GEMBA already failed to animate a tree, of all things, so how is that supposed to work?
An animeīs animation quality usually drops over time too. Not that any of that is the root of the problems the show faces.
Title: Re: 2016 Berserk TV series: Episode 1
Post by: Hypnos on July 02, 2016, 04:27:09 PM
At this point I feel like loyal fans should try their best to stop this butchery from going even further. For the love of all the imaginary gods don't support the project in any way or form. It's about the name now!!!!
Title: Re: 2016 Berserk TV series: Episode 1
Post by: Griffith on July 02, 2016, 04:55:15 PM
I can't bring myself to blame Miura so much as feel bad for him. As Aaz pointed out, we don't know how big the machine is, or how much control he really has over it. It's easy to think he could have taken better offers, but there's business interests to consider and those better quality offers may not have existed at all, and it's undoubtedly better for the manga's profile and therefore its benefactors to have a series associated with it. The shame of it is that all Berserk really needs is an unremarkable, straightforward adaptation, like Dragon Ball fucking Z minus the stalling filler. Which the '97 anime largely was save for a few shortcuts probably based mostly on time and budget constraints. It's sad that it appears such a small, unremarkable adaptation is the best we'll ever get because everything since has just been remarkably bad, and seemingly getting worse. I hope the "Miura intervenes theory" comes to pass, but I'm sure not expecting it.

On a side note, I think auteurs like Moore doth protest too much, and are largely bitter their own big Hollywood dreams didn't pan out, so they go the holier than thou route. Like, they thought they were going to sell out and run the machine, but instead get sold out and chewed up by it so they're suddenly paragons of integrity that hate all that shit anyway. I feel like the best high profile example of an author productively cooperating with an adaptation of their work was George RR Martin with Game of Thrones, even if that may have become strained. To bring it back around, if Miura did have some part in making this bed, now he's lying in it.
Title: Re: 2016 Berserk TV series: Episode 1
Post by: ApostleBob on July 02, 2016, 05:10:38 PM
It's a sad state of affairs when the Golden Age movies blow this out of the water. As much as they omitted and the liberties they took, it still felt like Berserk, and had the right style and tone between the art and music.

And I'm the type of guy that doesn't need an adaptation to 100% conform to the source material.  I can get behind shortening or abridging a story for pacing or timing contrainsts as long as it's done well. And like I said above, parts of this were clever like bringing Isidro in with the bandits. Introducing Schierke alongside the H.I.C.K.s as they learn about the Eclipse.  Totally fine with this stuff to introduce all our main players. The Brand episode was mostly handled well.

But the rest? Horribly done. The tree was ridiculously shoe horned in and for almost no point. As if that was the most memorable part of the Black Swordsman period. It's just tacked on to the skeleton fight. Guts also apparently starts a bar fight because he wants water and whiskey and didn't want to wait in line. What? And we don't even get a sense of what Guts is off doing. He seems to be just wandering around without any type of quest for revenge.  He's a hardcore camper who beats the shit out of anyone between him and his rabbit dinners. And the H.I.C.K.s are after this heavily armed hitch hiker for... reasons.

I cannot stress enough how fucking awful the music is in this it completely kills it for me. If you thought the piano during the Eclipse was bad, wait until you get a load of this power guitar and bastardized chopped up movie score in in appropriate places. It's like they had a 13 year old music director who just tried to make it 'badass.'

The sound design was equally bad. The same CLANG noise over and over, even used when the sword isn't hitting skeletons. I swear there where skeletons hitting trees and making a clang noise. If this is what we can expect from fight scenes, we better expect disappointment. At least the Golden Age gave us halfway decent battles without turning Guts into some Dragon Ball Z character cutting through time and space with his strikes.

Plenty of people are mentioning the art as horrible, and while it's not great, that doesn't bother me as much as what they are doing to the story and characters. I can take subpar art any day as long as you tell a good story. But it just adds insult to injury when the adaptation is this bad and they animate it like a pachinko game with 'edgy' sketch filters on to hide their laziness.

Maybe we can hope for them to improve from here on out if they just used this clumsy episode to stitch the Golden Age to the Conviction Arc. That would be unfortunate but not horrible. Lets just hope 9 episodes to deal with the Holy Iron Chain Knights, the Tower and Mozgus will be enough, and not feel like this. But I have low expectations.




Title: Re: 2016 Berserk TV series: Episode 1
Post by: hearTes on July 02, 2016, 05:17:18 PM
Well, at least the forum is livelier eh? The only positive thing this anime has done so far.  :ganishka:
Title: Re: 2016 Berserk TV series: Episode 1
Post by: JellyfishJam on July 02, 2016, 05:28:43 PM
It's a shame because from what I heard MAPPA planned on adapting more old manga like Ushio to Tora in the future, and given how well they handled this series they could have been the first studio to give us the first truly great Berserk anime (fun fact: they even adapted the first three seasons of Teekyu before Millepensee took over).
Title: Re: 2016 Berserk TV series: Episode 1
Post by: residentgrigo on July 02, 2016, 05:36:52 PM
@Griffith Robert Kirkman and especially Mark Millar are my prime example of being comic guys who succeeded inside the adaption system beyond reason. The Walking Dead comic (10/10) is miles better then the show (6/10) i finally dropped but we are here for Berserk.

I suspect the Berserk Saga project exists to only lure in foreign investors by creating online buzz. It just canīt die after all! The half related Berserk Musou (not a fan but it is suddenly much more appealing, if the Vita version come to the EU) looks like a genuine passion project to get a young Japanese gamer demographic to check the wider IP out. The endless Souls comparisons, some justified, some not, got the manga a lot of exposure! That investment or the shocking Casca pre-order skin i get.
The new anime though. I donīt know. You have to invest money to make more money and i donīt see any of that. Itīs the lack of any passion that strikes me. The basic comprehension of how editing, sounds anything or even characterization work are lost on this team. I can welcome an ugly duckling in my life but what i see is the cheapest sizzle real money can buy. I fear that try 2 isnīt the last we see of the decade long project...

The anime though managed to make me excited for the next manga episode like never before.
Title: Re: 2016 Berserk TV series: Episode 1
Post by: Rupert Sinclair on July 02, 2016, 06:15:44 PM
It's even worse after a second viewing, I only made it halfway through this time.  At least people who read the manga after watching this are in for a treat!  And hopefully they do...
Title: Re: 2016 Berserk TV series: Episode 1
Post by: Hanma_Baki on July 02, 2016, 07:45:33 PM
From a die-hard fan perspective, having nothing would have been better than having this

(Im probably needlessly nitpicking your words here just to start a conversation but anyways...) I never thought I'd say this but I honestly think you're being too kind, I certainly don't think you have to be a die-hard fan to have that particular opinion. I mean you'd think that the least they could've done would turn out "decent" but this is beyond fuckin horrible (and the fucked up thing here is that I seriously don't think it would be that hard to make an acceptable adaptation, the manga itself would basically work a perfect storyboard, in other words it's practically served on a fuckin silver platter for them, but noooo). Furthermore I bet that opinion would still be relevant even if you're not even a Berserk reader.

Btw I actually stumbled upon an "anime-only" guy earlier that interestingly has a similar opinion https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jfSCmAjJV6E&app=desktop

Smart guy, it gives me some hope in humanity. Now that I think about it though, I wonder why he cares for the manga fan base at all... Well, might be that he just figured that the manga can't possibly be THAT bad if its among the most popular seinen manga out there... Would be nice if everyone else would come to the same conclusion. Sadly I'd guess that's just not reality. And it's that very consequence I hate the most about this mess, misrepresentation. I try not to think about it, but occasionally that very thought consumes my mind and I feel like crying blood.
Title: Re: 2016 Berserk TV series: Episode 1
Post by: Salem on July 02, 2016, 08:31:46 PM
I think the most difficult thing about this new series is being a die hard fan and also knowing a few people who are ignorant to manga.  2 friends of mine found the first episode and professed how much they enjoyed it.  I found myself holding back criticism, but told them they needed to check the manga out as the anime is definitely not doing it justice.

While I thoroughly enjoyed the violins and the brand segment of the episode (minus the god damned tree!)  the rest was rather ugh, nooooooo! -vader
Title: Re: 2016 Berserk TV series: Episode 1
Post by: Eluvei on July 02, 2016, 08:33:32 PM
It's even worse after a second viewing, I only made it halfway through this time.  At least people who read the manga after watching this are in for a treat!  And hopefully they do...

Honestly, the worst part of these bad adaptations is that people who find them terrible won't be interested in the source material, which is understandable. And chances are, if someone loved this first episode, when they decide to read the manga they're gonna be disappointed, it's not like their beloved anime at all. So everybody loses.

I try not to think about it, but occasionally that very thought consumes my mind and I feel like crying blood. (I've already had day dream scenarios where I arrange a bombing of their studios and shit like that, gets me through the day :ganishka: )

 :schierke:
Title: Re: 2016 Berserk TV series: Episode 1
Post by: Aazealh on July 02, 2016, 08:35:15 PM
And chances are, if someone loved this first episode, when they decide to read the manga they're gonna be disappointed

If (hypothetically) someone really loved this episode then I don't think anything in life could possibly disappoint them.
Title: Re: 2016 Berserk TV series: Episode 1
Post by: Hanma_Baki on July 02, 2016, 09:22:58 PM
:schierke:

In times like these my mind kinda drifts in order to cope with reality.

Edit: wait...was it the "bomb" thing? Yeah that might've been insensitive and tasteless, sorry, guys...
Title: Re: 2016 Berserk TV series: Episode 1
Post by: Johnny Apples on July 02, 2016, 09:47:20 PM
I can't bring myself to blame Miura so much as feel bad for him. As Aaz pointed out, we don't know how big the machine is, or how much control he really has over it. It's easy to think he could have taken better offers, but there's business interests to consider and those better quality offers may not have existed at all, 

As Aazealh and I had discussed it earlier this year, Kentarou Miura was basically swindled into agreeing to the Berserk Project. (http://www.skullknight.net/forum/index.php?topic=14885.msg238797#msg238797) They bulshitted him with false promises of faithful adaptation. And as soon as Studio 4°C, Liden Films and other companies got Miura to sign off complete creative control of Berserk to them, they ran riot with it. And the rest, as they say, is recent history.

The shame of it is that all Berserk really needs is an unremarkable, straightforward adaptation, like Dragon Ball fucking Z minus the stalling filler.

Exactly, man!! The characters, the dialogue and the story was already there, in the manga, supplied by Kentarou Miura. All they fucking had to do was just translate it to a screen. Just animate whatever is in the manga panels, not an iota more. And then just let Berserk's story itself carry the anime. It's astonishing how the anime companies miserably failed at that one simple task  :mozgus:

Which the '97 anime largely was save for a few shortcuts probably based mostly on time and budget constraints. It's sad that it appears such a small, unremarkable adaptation is the best we'll ever get because everything since has just been remarkably bad, and seemingly getting worse.

Yep, things have degenerated to a point where the '97 anime is now the best by sheer virtue of the other adaptations being so much worse.   

I hope the "Miura intervenes theory" comes to pass, but I'm sure not expecting it.

To bring it back around, if Miura did have some part in making this bed, now he's lying in it.

Many anime adaptations of manga are in varying degrees unfaithful to their original source. But there are some that are very close to the manga source.  Mushishi immediately comes to mind as one extremely faithful anime adaptation that is panel-by-panel accurate. And it wasn't just because that particular manga series had the luck of finding a good animation studio, and knowledgeable producers and directors who "got" the story. But it was also because the author of Mushishi, Yuki Urushibara, refused to compromise her manga's integrity, even if it meant losing out on some quick short term profits by not allowing some mediocre anime company do a standard shoddy 13 episode anime series that would only cover some parts of first few tankobon and leave out everything else. But going back to Berserk Project, if there was anything that is to blame on Miura's part, then I believe it boils down to this - his personality. Miura's humble, affable personality might have been one of the crucial yet overlooked  factors that allowed this abortion of a movie trilogy and 2016 anime series to even come to life in the first place. At a time when firm assertiveness and even harshness was needed, Miura's amiable nature is probably what kept him from putting his foot down and forcing the animation studios to do right by his manga. He could have gave them an ultimatum - either do his story accurately or don't do it at all. When this Berserk Project was still in its infancy, that would have been the right time to intervene and prevent the anime studios from fucking it up. Those anime executives saw right from the start that Miura was a genial mild-mannered man, sensed his weakness, and they took advantage of him. They just rolled over him, free to do with Berserk anime however they pleased. There are some mangaka out there that are willing to play hardball and have hands-on involvement in order to ensure that their manga get a decent anime adaptation.  There are even a few, such as Osamu Tezuka and Katsuhiro Otomo, who've went the whole nine yards and themselves personally wrote screenplays and directed the anime adaptations of their own manga. Unfortunately, this isn't the case here with Miura   :sad:
Title: Re: 2016 Berserk TV series: Episode 1
Post by: Sammoniac on July 03, 2016, 02:49:53 AM
Many anime adaptations of manga are in varying degrees unfaithful to their original source. But there are some that are very close to the manga source.  Mushishi immediately comes to mind as one extremely faithful anime adaptation that is panel-by-panel accurate. And it wasn't just because that particular manga series had the luck of finding a good animation studio, and knowledgeable producers and directors who "got" the story. But it was also because the author of Mushishi, Yuki Urushibara, refused to compromise her manga's integrity, even if it meant losing out on some quick short term profits by not allowing some mediocre anime company do a standard shoddy 13 episode anime series that would only cover some parts of first few tankobon. Going back to Berserk Project, if there was anything on part of Miura that is to blame, I believe it boils down to this - his personality. Miura's humble, affable personality might have been one of the crucial yet overlooked  factors that allowed this abortion of a movie trilogy and 2016 anime series to even come to life in the first place. At a time when firm assertiveness and even harshness was needed, Miura's amiable nature is probably what kept him from putting his foot down and forcing the animation studios to do right by his manga. He could have gave them an ultimatum - either do his story accurately or don't do it at all. When this Berserk Project was still in its infancy, that would have been the right time to intervene and prevent the anime studios from fucking it up. Those anime executives saw that Miura was a genial mild-mannered man, sensed his weakness, and they took advantage of him. They just rolled over him, free to do with Berserk anime however they pleased. There are some mangaka out there that are willing to play hardball and have hands-on involvement in order to ensure that their manga get a decent anime adaptation.  There are even a few, such as Osamu Tezuka and Katsuhiro Otomo, who've went the whole nine yards and wrote screenplays and directed the anime adaptations of their own manga. Unfortunately, this isn't the case here with Miura   :sad:

You spoke loudly what I've been thinking quietly. Miura is clearly exploited in all this, despite the fact that he'll be making a few more "quick bucks" in the process. And you made me want to watch Mushishi. I saw like 2-3 episodes back in the days and found it really interesting. Thank you!
Title: Re: 2016 Berserk TV series: Episode 1
Post by: TricksieThiefsie on July 03, 2016, 02:58:46 AM
Thinking how many more episodes are yet to be shown, it makes me suffer like a Beherit

(http://puu.sh/pOqjz/490b502b0e.gif)

Mostly because they are going to ruin at least some major scenes with that kind of animation and art, I am expecting Berserk to become a laughing stock.



 
Title: Re: 2016 Berserk TV series: Episode 1
Post by: Slime_Beherit on July 03, 2016, 03:57:54 AM
I liked the part where the intro misleads you into thinking you might get some fluid animation... Normally people tend to say that if it feels long its because it was so boring that it felt longer, but even though the episode was terrible for all the reasons already mentioned, it felt like 15 minute show. I guess it was just the fast pacing mixed in with very little actually going on. I also didn't realize Guts invaded other worlds

Dark Souls III spoilers?
http://www.gamewiththeguys.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/05/Using-Storm-Ruler-on-Yhorm-the-Giant-32-Game-With-The-Guys-Lets-Play.jpg (http://www.gamewiththeguys.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/05/Using-Storm-Ruler-on-Yhorm-the-Giant-32-Game-With-The-Guys-Lets-Play.jpg)

He killed the tree with the Dragon Ruler!
Title: Re: 2016 Berserk TV series: Episode 1
Post by: Aazealh on July 03, 2016, 08:14:11 AM
But going back to Berserk Project, if there was anything that is to blame on Miura's part, then I believe it boils down to this - his personality. Miura's humble, affable personality might have been one of the crucial yet overlooked  factors that allowed this abortion of a movie trilogy and 2016 anime series to even come to life in the first place. At a time when firm assertiveness and even harshness was needed, Miura's amiable nature is probably what kept him from putting his foot down and forcing the animation studios to do right by his manga. He could have gave them an ultimatum - either do his story accurately or don't do it at all.

Without speculating too much about how things went down, I think people need to remember that there were no Berserk adaptations for 15 years between 1997 and 2012. When the "film project" started, it was revealed that Miura had received quite a few offers over the years but had turned them all down because they were too shitty. So aside from having been given false promises, there's also the matter of time to take into account. After 15 years, he might have resigned himself to the fact he'd never get an offer with a bigger budget, and that this was his last chance to see more of Berserk get animated.
Title: Re: 2016 Berserk TV series: Episode 1
Post by: residentgrigo on July 03, 2016, 09:01:21 AM
That too and an artist has to enjoy on some level to see his life's work come alive. Miura isnīt getting younger but i donīt believe that a long form adaptation that resembles the manga will come from Japan. No adaptation ever properly acknowledged Gutsī backstory and the films didnīt even both with Griffithīs past. The OVA market has been dead since the late 00s and that was our only chance, not that i care. All the big studios as Madhouse would further never touch the IP, too much drama, and just look at their Parasyte. It turned out well overall (the 2nd half is a bit of a rush job with deteriorating animation) but the censorship was severe. Adult Swim canīt even touch the 97 anime. Berserk on regular television is a no go. The mentioned Mushishi was the best anime of the decade but comparing a PG Mono No Aware manga with a hard NC-17 property, well...  :carcus: .

I donīt want to blame anyone though. The new show ainīt the worst anime 2016 has to offer and i survived some of the worst US comic adaptations of all time to now reach the current Valhalla.
The situation is what it is and interventions from any side can only mess with the larger IP. God Eater (never saw it) wonīt win new investors after being janked from tv. I donīt care who is responsible (i still insists that we are watch a sales pitch), i just want the weeks or maybe even months to pass without drama that can harm Miuraīs working relationship with YA and move on. The best Berserk adaptation remains the theater in your mind.
@Scorpio +1
Title: Re: 2016 Berserk TV series: Episode 1
Post by: Scorpio on July 03, 2016, 12:18:46 PM
I only just recently saw (most) of the movies and I can't believe that they have already been one-upped in terms of shittiness. I was mulling over posting my thoughts about them, but it's been a few years since they were released and they're so entirely forgettable I didn't see much point.

This, however...  This. This is so in your face terrible it will be branded in my memory, and I'll likely have to struggle with it for the rest of my life.

My quicktake: Ugly, repugnant 3-D models they didn't even bother to swap out on close ups; some of the jankiest animations I've ever seen, both animation and 3-D model-wise; a hyperactive sweeping camera that never stays fucking still (maybe to try to hide their terrible animation?); panning shots with parkinson's (Flora's mansion in particular); music and sound design so bad it beggars belief; and the list just goes on!

I think a lot of this stems from the fact that they don't know how to build atmosphere or proper pacing, so they try to mask it with hyperactive cuts and wobbles. Even when the characters are staying still the background is spinning around like a top; it's painful on the eyes and hard to process (not there's any substance to actually take in). All of this really makes that 'Pause of Skeleton' scene stand out even more in the worst kind of light.

Man, I was expecting a punch to the gut but instead I got CLAAAANG'd in the back of the head. I honestly can't believe how bad this was. To be fair though, I think there was one brief shot of like, rain on a puddle that I thought actually looked pretty good... so there's that.
Title: Re: 2016 Berserk TV series: Episode 1
Post by: roseputter on July 03, 2016, 09:33:49 PM
I really liked it. Check out my review of it right here!  :guts:
https://youtu.be/KhigBichlvE (https://youtu.be/KhigBichlvE)
Title: Re: 2016 Berserk TV series: Episode 1
Post by: The Beast of Darkness on July 03, 2016, 09:45:10 PM
I really liked it. Check out my review of it right here!  :guts:
https://youtu.be/KhigBichlvE (https://youtu.be/KhigBichlvE)

"So, I'm not sure how many others just brainlessly said it sucked, but I heard about a bit of that and I think quite the contrary."
I'll say it again (brainlessly), this episode really sucked.
Title: Re: 2016 Berserk TV series: Episode 1
Post by: roseputter on July 03, 2016, 09:47:36 PM
Okay haha I don't think I was right to say that people like you didn't give it thought first, so brainless was crass, but when this kind of thing occurs I feel like people just hate things way too easily when this has so many good things about it that we've never seen before.
Title: Re: 2016 Berserk TV series: Episode 1
Post by: The Beast of Darkness on July 03, 2016, 09:53:59 PM
when this has so many good things about it that we've never seen before.

I hope you're kidding ? I actually think that this piece of art shouldn't have seen the light of the day. It's not about hating it, it's just plain bad.

Title: Re: 2016 Berserk TV series: Episode 1
Post by: Griffith on July 03, 2016, 10:01:08 PM
I guess brainlessness is in the head of the beholder. I'm pretty proud of the overwhelming negative response in calling a spade a spade here instead of just fanboying out. Much better than when the movies came out, but then they're making it much harder to rationalize anything about this project now.
Title: Re: 2016 Berserk TV series: Episode 1
Post by: roseputter on July 03, 2016, 10:01:53 PM
I don't know if you only think that because it's portraying Berserk when the manga is so much better or that you actually don't like the animation/art style in any way.
I suppose that's an okay point though Griffith. Honestly I'm still not someone who knows much about the society of Berserk fandom and reputation.
Title: Re: 2016 Berserk TV series: Episode 1
Post by: Feeblecursedone on July 03, 2016, 10:02:23 PM
Being a fanboy or not, one can clearly tell if its bad or not. And oh it is bad.  I had the same issue with last arc of Bleach, which ruined the series. Thankfully for us, the anime wont affect the manga in any way.
Title: Re: 2016 Berserk TV series: Episode 1
Post by: Rupert Sinclair on July 03, 2016, 10:02:47 PM
when this has so many good things about it that we've never seen before.

Like Guts cooking rabbit?  Yeah I know that was a great scene!  Almost as good as having one of, in my opinion, the coolest bandits from the series in charge of those guys, it was so cool when he cut the head off that figure he was whittling.  I always thought that guy didn't get enough credit as the badass he really was!  It was just great to see Colette's body being picked up by the tree from volume 14 on screen.  I like both those parts in the manga and they just went ahead and put 'em together for me!  We should ALL be grateful for ANYTHING we get, guys.  Come on now.
Title: Re: 2016 Berserk TV series: Episode 1
Post by: Uriel on July 04, 2016, 01:16:04 AM
Not sure where to post impressions, but here we go:

I finally got around to watching it last night. Expectations were Mariana Trench low, but managed to find some positives.

+ 10 seconds of Susumu!
+ Akio Ohtsuka narration was welcome.
+ Some of the hand-drawn moments were excellent.
+ I pretty much like the voice cast from what I heard.
+ CG aside, some of the DS moments were pretty cool.
+ Seeing Flora and Schierke was unnecessary, but nice.
+ The environment, grading, and colouring fit the mood of the world.
+ I prefer the frying pan DS noise when compared to the Berserk Musou sound effect.

- The pacing was odd.
- Objectified Caucasian Casa.
- The music. Utterly uninspired.
- OP and ED themes were pretty subpar.
- CG. Bad PS2 cut scenes. Awful artistic choice.
- The weird scene with the tree getting sliced... just... what?
- Guts' yelling 'GRIFFITH' sounded more like he was annoyed at him for leaving the toilet seat up.

That's pretty much what I can think of from memory. I didn't mind Isidro being a bar wench. It's easy to see why they would want to introduce the character earlier.

I'll keep watching for a few more episodes, but I'm foreseeing many facepalm.gif moments along the way.
Title: Re: 2016 Berserk TV series: Episode 1
Post by: Sikorsky87 on July 04, 2016, 04:36:22 AM
The Dragon Slayer...when it's hitting the skeletons...instead of it sounding like it has weight to it...it sounds like somebody's playing a drum set made of pots and pans...oh god...
Title: Re: 2016 Berserk TV series: Episode 1
Post by: Pink-Dark-Boy on July 04, 2016, 06:25:01 AM
CGI somehow reminds me of Wallace and Grommit, however it's nowhere near as charming  :azan:

Also, the Dragon Slayer had different (and arguably superior) sound effects in the trailers, what a joke.
Title: Re: 2016 Berserk TV series: Episode 1
Post by: Hanma_Baki on July 04, 2016, 01:17:27 PM
^The motion actually is reminiscent of Wallace and Gromit, good catch.


About the DS, I like how it took Guts about 10 seconds too long to unsheath it. Such a supercool effect. Just how I've always imagined Guts in action.
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 :judo:
Title: Re: 2016 Berserk TV series: Episode 1
Post by: Inga-no-Nagare on July 04, 2016, 02:50:58 PM
I.. have mixed feelings about the 1st episode. It has deep flaws, but I'll be damned if I wasn't helluva entertained while watching it.

This might be an unpopular opinion, but considering their rush to go on with the story, I think they used the 21 mins rather well, content-wise.

EXCEPT for the fact that they should have invested more time (and should've pushed Guts' voice actor to the edge) to let his anger, desperation and sadness shine through. Especially at the very end of the episode, before/during (1) his monologue to Puck and (2) him shooting the cannon in the air. That part really made the chapter in the manga.

Speaking of which, why the hell didn't they show a proper cannon blast either time he used it? That was a let-down.

Visually though, while I abhorred the poor 3D models of the characters and the animation was jarred as fuck, there were more than a few beautiful picturesque frames throughout the episode. Within those 21 mins, I found myself both scrunching my face cause of how ugly the animation is as well as looking at the screen in awe.

In any case, I'm quite eagerly looking forward to the next episode.
Title: Re: 2016 Berserk TV series: Episode 1
Post by: Pink-Dark-Boy on July 04, 2016, 02:59:45 PM
^The motion actually is reminiscent of Wallace and Gromit, good catch.


About the DS, I like how it took Guts about 10 seconds too long to unsheath it. Such a supercool effect. Just how I've always imagined Guts in action.
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 :judo:

I also like how they put me under the illusion that motion was taking place, they made the camera go completely Berserk™ ( :slan:) on what appeared to be a still shot (or one moving very slowly) and viola!  :ubik:
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 :schierke:
Title: Re: 2016 Berserk TV series: Episode 1
Post by: Salem on July 04, 2016, 03:15:47 PM
From a financial standpoint only, aren't we somewhat obligated to grit our teeth and support this?  Don't shoot me down, just here me out a little.  Berserk is a niche property, and from the little I know (yes, little) about marketing, if we continue to shoot down every crappy release, won't we be more likely to get more, yet spaced out crap?

I'm honestly wondering should one of these adaptations, bad as they may be, if one were to find financial success, could this in turn grant us someone's attention who wants to invest in a bigger, better translation of the story?
Title: Re: 2016 Berserk TV series: Episode 1
Post by: Rupert Sinclair on July 04, 2016, 03:54:37 PM
I just realized, unless they try and do some weird time jump in the next episode, Guts and Puck will only have been together for, like, a couple of hours....
Title: Re: 2016 Berserk TV series: Episode 1
Post by: Imperator Hanseatic on July 04, 2016, 04:00:27 PM
I just realized, unless they try and do some weird time jump in the next episode, Guts and Puck will only have been together for, like, a couple of hours....

Don't forget that we don't even know what Guts' journey is about or who Casca, Rickert, or Godot are or why they are important! Does Guts have the improved gadgets Rickert was supposed to give him when he went after Casca? We don't know because they didn't set anything up. :/
Title: Re: 2016 Berserk TV series: Episode 1
Post by: Cyrus Jong on July 04, 2016, 04:05:53 PM
From a financial standpoint only, aren't we somewhat obligated to grit our teeth and support this?  Don't shoot me down, just here me out a little.  Berserk is a niche property, and from the little I know (yes, little) about marketing, if we continue to shoot down every crappy release, won't we be more likely to get more, yet spaced out crap?

I'm honestly wondering should one of these adaptations, bad as they may be, if one were to find financial success, could this in turn grant us someone's attention who wants to invest in a bigger, better translation of the story?
Do we financially support a car company that makes shoddy vehicles that break down and/or explode in the hopes that they'll make better cars in the future? No, we don't. We let them go out of business like the incompetents they are. Just as we shouldn't have to support shitty anime studios that churn shoddily-made shows we don't enjoy. You can only blame the budget Berserk was given for so much, but the truth of the matter is that with all the cuts and changes they made for pretty much no reason, it's abundantly clear that the people behind this series don't understand, care or respect what Berserk is. Or don't have the talent to bring it to life. Supporting crap like this is just going to encourage more studios to lower their quality standards.

Besides, I don't think there's going to ever be another Berserk anime once this abomination is done, and there's actually no way it's going to feel like a complete product either, no matter how far in the timeline it gets. It's a miracle the series even got another shot at all.
Title: Re: 2016 Berserk TV series: Episode 1
Post by: TricksieThiefsie on July 04, 2016, 04:13:33 PM
Are they going to bring up  :beast:
Title: Re: 2016 Berserk TV series: Episode 1
Post by: Aazealh on July 04, 2016, 04:18:10 PM
This might be an unpopular opinion, but considering their rush to go on with the story, I think they used the 21 mins rather well, content-wise.

I have no interest in discussing this in depth, but I really don't think they used the time they had well, even with those goals. They should have skipped Schierke and Flora, skipped the monk and Colette, and not shown Guts eating a rabbit in the woods. The haunted tree should have also been replaced by an apostle like the Snake Baron. I can't comment on what they've got planned for later but I would also have delayed Isidro's introduction to after Guts escapes from the H.I.C.K. and before he reaches Albion, mirroring the manga. When you've got no time and no budget, keeping it straightforward is the best way to go. I don't think it made any sense to introduce Schierke and Isidro in the first episode, no matter how you slice it.

From a financial standpoint only, aren't we somewhat obligated to grit our teeth and support this?  Don't shoot me down, just here me out a little.  Berserk is a niche property, and from the little I know (yes, little) about marketing, if we continue to shoot down every crappy release, won't we be more likely to get more, yet spaced out crap?

That's for each one of us to decide. Personally, I bought the first Blu-ray for the movies (collector's edition) but not the other two. For this adaptation, I plan on keeping my Crunchyroll subscription (which I only took to watch this) until the season is over and then cancel it. I doubt I'll buy the Blu-rays afterwards.

Are they going to bring up  :beast:

That's the big question. Honestly I doubt it.
Title: Re: 2016 Berserk TV series: Episode 1
Post by: residentgrigo on July 04, 2016, 04:23:00 PM
You are all forgetting that "this" Guts doesnīt have a backstory, no Beast of Darkness growing inside him, that his sword sound as if it was forget out of a bucket (my ears...), he may have never fought an Apostle (why is he hunted again?) -besides that one time when he nearly killed Griffith in film 3- and that "this" Griffith appears to have run away from a homosexual clone harem. Who cares about time flow at this point?
What a time to alive ladies and gentlemen :beast: . I dread the explanatory conversations this anime will force me into in the future. It basically "replaced" the comprehensible 97 show, due to the identical name, to all but hardcore animation nuts who never heard of the manga and want to "taste test". I already had one due to the films but that (justified) hater was converted after i forced my volumes on him. I ainī t buy NO Blue Ray, thatīs for sure, the same goes for my library.
PS: How exactly did he kill the tree. Was that Cloudīs Limit Break?
Title: Re: 2016 Berserk TV series: Episode 1
Post by: Feeblecursedone on July 04, 2016, 04:26:03 PM
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How exactly did he kill the tree.

Apparently by getting pissed about Colette's death. Beats me. It was almost shounen like last minute power-up. Im surprised his hair didnt change to yellow.
Title: Re: 2016 Berserk TV series: Episode 1
Post by: volatilecurry on July 04, 2016, 04:34:20 PM
From a financial standpoint only, aren't we somewhat obligated to grit our teeth and support this?  Don't shoot me down, just here me out a little.  Berserk is a niche property, and from the little I know (yes, little) about marketing, if we continue to shoot down every crappy release, won't we be more likely to get more, yet spaced out crap?

I'm honestly wondering should one of these adaptations, bad as they may be, if one were to find financial success, could this in turn grant us someone's attention who wants to invest in a bigger, better translation of the story?

To some degree, I think so. If we can prove to those in power that Berserk is a series that can attract a lot of viewers and make money, I believe the chances of us getting another adaptation with a better budget is there. The scary part is, this series becoming successful can be interpreted two different ways. It can either be

A: "Berserk has a lot of potential, let's do another season and increase the budget"

or B: "The fans liked this? Great, do another one exactly the same way."

I pray we get the former instead of the latter. My hope at this point isn't even that we get a full series that covers the entire story from start to finish (the dream), but I'm more hoping that we can get OVA's or movies that tell specific events. An OVA for Lost Children would be perfect. An OVA or movie for the Black Swordsman arc would be perfect. They could fit certain chapters of later arcs into a single movie as well, without too many cuts if the money and effort was there.

Anyway, What this all means to me is that I'm going to keep watching the series on Crunchyroll, buy the Musou game, buy volume 38, buy the bluray of the '97 series (if it ever comes to America), and I'll probably buy a physical release of the 2016 series too. The best I can do to tell them that Berserk can make money. Hopefully it sends them the right message.
Title: Re: 2016 Berserk TV series: Episode 1
Post by: Salem on July 04, 2016, 04:35:37 PM
Apparently by getting pissed about Colette's death. Beats me. It was almost shounen like last minute power-up. Im surprised his hair didnt change to yellow.

I was enjoying "the brand" part of the episode quite a lot, but then the tree showed up... :daiba:

That power up thing, coming from someone who's only exposure to anime has been berserk, is a little....silly to me.   :griffnotevil:
Title: Re: 2016 Berserk TV series: Episode 1
Post by: residentgrigo on July 04, 2016, 04:38:11 PM
The worst part about the "anime", is that it started to mess with my recollection of the manga. Especially due to the first anime. I thus read the adapted parts again on Sunday and will now continue to do so until we are rid of this mokery. I binged all of the new Voltron (8/10) the other week. Night and day, man. Night and day. Thank god for JoJo on the same day.

Just put all your money into the manga or even dvds of the old show to give away. That message i can endorse, but every man for himself.
Title: Re: 2016 Berserk TV series: Episode 1
Post by: Feeblecursedone on July 04, 2016, 04:38:40 PM
Quote
Anyway, What this all means to me is that I'm going to keep watching the series on Crunchyroll, buy the Musou game, buy volume 38, buy the bluray of the '97 series (if it ever comes to America)

Agreed. I actually bought the complete collection of 97's anime yesterday on base.com 
Title: Re: 2016 Berserk TV series: Episode 1
Post by: volatilecurry on July 04, 2016, 04:50:55 PM
Just put all your money into the manga or even dvds of the old show to give away. That message i can endorse, but every man for himself.

If you're supporting something then you're doing your part TBH. If you can't get behind "Berserk 2016" I understand. A lot of people can't. But I do feel like we as fans are obligated to dump some money into the series in one way or another right now. We're at a point in time where we actually have options for investing into the series. However you want to do that should help at least a little.
Title: Re: 2016 Berserk TV series: Episode 1
Post by: Salem on July 04, 2016, 04:58:33 PM
If you're supporting something then you're doing your part TBH. If you can't get behind "Berserk 2016" I understand. A lot of people can't. But I do feel like we as fans are obligated to dump some money into the series in one way or another right now. We're at a point in time where we actually have options for investing into the series. However you want to do that should help at least a little.

Good way to express all that.  I am behind this message 100%.  Being the first episode and readily prepared for it, I'm very understanding if someone has rage about the anime.  Supporting Berserk is something important to me, so I feel obligated to find the pros and point out the cons without making someone feel isolated from the entire thing....Even though there are plenty of flaws.   :ganishka:

I've tried to get my best friend to read the manga and have shown him the adaptions.  This came out and I was trying to say how they didn't do a good job and he said he loved it... :mozgus:  I wanted to tell him how ignorant he is, lol, but I feel that's a bit trivial if word of mouth gets more into the REAL story.
Title: Re: 2016 Berserk TV series: Episode 1
Post by: residentgrigo on July 04, 2016, 05:09:09 PM
Putting your money where your mount is, is important, but evangelizing the series is also key. I wrote a lengthy and spoiler free review for the overall manga on amazon years ago and i bring the series up to everyone in my life who can get behind such content. Look how big the "un-adaptable" Ice and Fire got! Some had to start that fire. That is one of the reasons i own and wear a Beherit. Consider me a living add for Berserk, Batman and more nerd stuff.

Yet Berserk is no joke either with about 40 mil. in sales and i wrote a bit more in the poll. The Souls comparison videos should be the best thing that happened to the manga this decade, to advertise it, and the most important factor is Miuraīs health. Berserk the manga will survive, even if no proper adaptation may ever come, and that is my ONE real concern. Hell, i am still waiting so see my Dune epos, and it is the bestselling sci-fi book of all time! God Emperor of Dune needs to be unleashed, but i am just happy it exists. (No money for Brian Herbert from me).
Title: Re: 2016 Berserk TV series: Episode 1
Post by: Proj2501 on July 04, 2016, 05:35:41 PM
Very rough in most places. I hope there's improvement as the season marches on. I wasn't surprised at all when Isidro was introduced out of the gate. He's a character younger viewers may gravitate towards (basing that off Isidro's age and the main character from One Piece and how wildly popular that series is) and I suppose the producers thought it couldn't hurt to include him from the outset. In a sense, they were right, it won't change much. Like most properties based on books, it'll never stay totally faithful and compromises will be made.

I do think it's important to see the good, however little there may be of it, in this situation. There's no way it won't bring new fans to the manga and hopefully Miura made a solid chunk of change of this too. The show's kind of shit as of this moment, especially this episode, but I hope it makes us eat humble pie by the end. Make no mistake, it's shit so far, and I'll only stick around and half heartedly watch it to see Mozgus.  :mozgus:

Yeah, we all want anything Berserk related to be perfect. I think that's a naive way of thinking though. This show is targeted for the youth. No one cares about hardcore fans like us. Kids hear the music used and go, "Ah, sugoi music! Kakui!" We sit here reminiscing for ol' Susumu and throw the Dreamcast OST on.

We're old men on our lawns yelling how the old days were better. They were.

The manga was always and will always be the perfect form of Berserk.

This is us basically:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hUkCJDkG3fg (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hUkCJDkG3fg)
Title: Re: 2016 Berserk TV series: Episode 1
Post by: Aazealh on July 04, 2016, 05:57:01 PM
Yeah, we all want anything Berserk related to be perfect. I think that's a naive way of thinking though. This show is targeted for the youth. No one cares about hardcore fans like us. Kids hear the music used and go, "Ah, sugoi music! Kakui!" We sit here reminiscing for ol' Susumu and throw the Dreamcast OST on. We're old men on our lawns yelling how the old days were better. They were.

First off, I'm not convinced this is actually aimed at kids, and if it is then the project is misguided, shouldn't exist, and will fail. Second, I don't think settling for shitty things is ever justified, and it certainly isn't by the cynical view that "it's just the way it is these days folks".

The manga was always and will always be the perfect form of Berserk.

That doesn't mean the other stuff has to be absolute garbage.
Title: Re: 2016 Berserk TV series: Episode 1
Post by: TricksieThiefsie on July 04, 2016, 07:17:53 PM
I have a feeling that some people who hate this new anime now are going to like it after next few episodes. Time softens and I believe thoughts like "it's the only thing we got for now" are going to be regular. In the end this anime may become passable in a way that it will encourage studios to continue doing such a half-assed job and we, as hardcore Berserk fans are going to suffer even more. I am not saying it's a given but I really hope Berserk 2016 will fail as much as possible. If it means not getting any adaptation from now on, I am fine with that.
Title: Re: 2016 Berserk TV series: Episode 1
Post by: residentgrigo on July 04, 2016, 07:33:06 PM
@Tricksie I may be the most negative on the show here (3/10), and no 180% will come from me.  I have Berserk stitched into my literal flesh after all, due to my tattoo.  Only 1/4 of the poll participant could even stand the show and only 3 of those loved it. Who? The game is also destined to be better, i guess. We will live.
I even fully expect to see a few worse or equally bewildering episodes after a destined "recovery" due to less rushing. They chose some of the hardest materiel to adapt in terms of content, for heavens sake! I am also calling at least 1 ep. of filler (nothing new here). The clip show age of TV / anime is further over but who knows. A 2 cour run could lead to that one too. At least i have company, right gang :serpico: ? Gooble Gobble One of Us.

I hated the 2nd and 3rd film when they came out and still do. Thatīs over 3 years ago. Batman Forever (worse than & Robin IMHO) is now 2 decades old for me and i still donīt acknowledged it, to give an example from my "other" life. Time Heals No Wounds.
Title: Re: 2016 Berserk TV series: Episode 1
Post by: Gamehowitzer on July 05, 2016, 12:56:34 AM
Hi everyone im new here. just registered a couple days ago bc i wanted to talk about the new anime too. OFC the general consensus is that its bad, but what about the staff? Not the voice actors or anything but the actual animators. I dont know much about anime staff but i want to know if the staff, or the studio is a the problem.
Title: Re: 2016 Berserk TV series: Episode 1
Post by: CCS on July 05, 2016, 01:58:13 AM
I guess I have low expectations or something cause I was alright with it. I wish they had the budget to do 2d for the faces all the time though. That's the major complaint I have. The Guts CG model looks alright from the side but the front view has some major issues and his mouth doesn't look too good. And the girl and her father's face in this episode were even worse.
Title: Re: 2016 Berserk TV series: Episode 1
Post by: jackson_hurley on July 05, 2016, 02:46:58 AM
I would not be surprised if they scene where Guts eats a rabbit is inspired by the scene where he is eating a leg of whatever in the prototype. I was just browsing through it while my relecture of volume 14 and there is that scene where he has a big mouth filled...
Title: Re: 2016 Berserk TV series: Episode 1
Post by: Aazealh on July 05, 2016, 07:29:20 AM
Hi everyone im new here. just registered a couple days ago bc i wanted to talk about the new anime too. OFC the general consensus is that its bad, but what about the staff? Not the voice actors or anything but the actual animators. I dont know much about anime staff but i want to know if the staff, or the studio is a the problem.

Hi. Well given the poor quality of the show it seems clear to me that whoever is working on it is severely incompetent.

I would not be surprised if they scene where Guts eats a rabbit is inspired by the scene where he is eating a leg of whatever in the prototype. I was just browsing through it while my relecture of volume 14 and there is that scene where he has a big mouth filled...

Hah! The prototype has him eating in an inn while talking to villagers, even that would have made more sense than what they did here.
Title: Re: 2016 Berserk TV series: Episode 1
Post by: DasBouf on July 05, 2016, 10:55:47 AM
Holy hell, the anime and GA arc movies had their problems, but this is in another league.
This is only the first episode ofc, so the potential to get better exists (technically)
There are so many the first and most glaring being the 2fps animation. I personally like the art style, and wouldn't mind CG so long as it was smooth, but this is horrendous to look at. There are these really awkward moments of stillness where characters look like they're having 'Nam flashbacks ( https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x-KBSKEI33Q )
Overall the look of it would be best described as "wonky"
However the animation issues are far out shined in my opinion by the pacing problems.So many awful choices, rushing over Lost Children and Black Swordsman, throwing in Isidro, things like this are so off putting.
Do they want to get to Flora's mansion by the end of the season? At the rate they're going they'll be ahead of the manga soon lmao
I was hoping for 3 episodes dedicated to the Black Swordsman arc and then the rest to cover Lost Children and Holy Iron Chain maybe, but I'm a fool for wanting things to be paced properly. Looking at this studios track record I am fucking baffled as to why they were given the Berserk anime.
Perhaps they are trying to give the viewer the same sense of suffering that Guts feels, so we can properly empathize with him. Perhaps that is the fate of Berserk fans, to suffer as the protagonist of the series does.
What a fucking embarrassment.
Title: Re: 2016 Berserk TV series: Episode 1
Post by: Skeleton on July 05, 2016, 11:23:09 AM
There are these really awkward moments of stillness where characters look like they're having 'Nam flashbacks ( https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x-KBSKEI33Q )

God that's great. :ganishka:
Title: Re: 2016 Berserk TV series: Episode 1
Post by: Pink-Dark-Boy on July 05, 2016, 11:28:12 AM
'Nam flashbacks ( https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x-KBSKEI33Q )

I was really not expecting that video  :ganishka: :ganishka:
Title: Re: 2016 Berserk TV series: Episode 1
Post by: Feeblecursedone on July 05, 2016, 11:36:21 AM
Apparently frozen skeletons and other characters are a thing in this anime.
Title: Re: 2016 Berserk TV series: Episode 1
Post by: jackson_hurley on July 05, 2016, 01:21:42 PM
Hi. Well given the poor quality of the show it seems clear to me that whoever is working on it is severely incompetent.

Hah! The prototype has him eating in an inn while talking to villagers, even that would have made more sense than what they did here.

I know right! But still, let's suppose here that said producer or whatever read volume 14 for reference, stumbled on the prototype part and got to that part, turned his head to a partner and said: "Hey let's make him eat in the night with no worries and that goofy face..." Ugh... Pisses me off.

I'm still gonna watch it cause I'm curious to see the damage done.
Title: Re: 2016 Berserk TV series: Episode 1
Post by: Aulë on July 05, 2016, 10:56:27 PM
My first impression is really bad. (cringeworthy)
...
:sad: pfffff
It's a pity... it could have been one of the best anime out there if: 1) No CGI (like the opening which I really liked) and 2) Don't skip stuff from the manga. This sequencing of storyline makes ablosutely no sense.

Title: Re: 2016 Berserk TV series: Episode 1
Post by: enjoy on July 06, 2016, 05:23:33 AM
I`ll be quick as most of my concerns have already been addressed by everyone here.
The thing that really made the biggest impact on me, besides the fast pace and choppy writing, is the animation and how it was handled.
I love hand drawn animation because it offers so much detail and it is just beautiful to watch (80`s, 90`s Anime).
Of course the addition of CGI is always welcome if it blends well with the overall animation of the series. I think that good CGI is barely noticeable and is used to tweak things like background, effects and other touch ups. Well here, unfortunately , it is in your face and it just doesn't do the Anime justice. It`s just sad to watch a CGI model of Guts when we could have had a beautiful drawn model of him and every other character. That scene with Isidro moving like a muppet in the tavern is sad to watch.  :sad:
I really hope that they improve on the animation and storytelling of the series in the upcoming episodes.
Title: Re: 2016 Berserk TV series: Episode 1
Post by: Skullgrin140 on July 06, 2016, 03:14:26 PM
Okay so having sat down and watched the first episode to this a few times, my thoughts regarding this 2016 adaptation of Berserk. Despite it's fair share of horribly glaring flaws I rather enjoyed the first episode, although parts of the Black Swordsman arc were significantly cut out and unnecessary parts added in such as Isidro serving Drinks and Flora and Schierke at the beginning I thought it was a passable attempt at bringing parts of the first volume to life.

However much like everyone has been mentioning, The Animation really is incredibly jarring and very wonky to look at. The Animation I think is going to take a very long time to get used to as this is done by a company who has had no past experience working with this kind of property. I imagine that in the hands of a company such as Madhouse I think this would have had a better chance of serviceable animation, the biggest issue for me however really is the score because I found it to be complete and total wank, the whole Dubstep/Grunge Guitar mix really feels horrible and brittle to an anime like this and it makes me miss and appreciate so much of what Susumu Hirasawa did for the original anime. Plus the theme song really doesn't help when it just sounds bland and forgettable like the score.

On a few positive notes when it does 2D animation it displays it rather well in this when it uses it to show freeze shots of the characters, I can imagine however that for an anime based off a highly detailed manga however so much detail would take eons to really process into a full length TV series which makes the production struggle to make it as good as the manga.

I do hope this show improves however because I want this to do well, Also why the hell is Casca white?
Title: Re: 2016 Berserk TV series: Episode 1
Post by: PENumber2 on July 06, 2016, 05:00:31 PM
I wonder if they chose to start with an episode that featured that tree monster, which is wooden because of their own ability (time and funding?) to animate it. I imagine had they done the Barron or that girl who turns into the moth might be harder to animate properly. 

Title: Re: 2016 Berserk TV series: Episode 1
Post by: Dar Klink on July 07, 2016, 12:36:02 AM
(http://i.imgur.com/dG8tqEk.jpg)

This is exactly how I feel.
Title: Re: 2016 Berserk TV series: Episode 1
Post by: hearTes on July 07, 2016, 01:15:23 AM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CmUf4ARUMAANi7i.jpg)
Title: Re: 2016 Berserk TV series: Episode 1
Post by: Walter on July 07, 2016, 01:22:19 AM
(http://skullknight.net/images/guts-screaming.png)

Yep, screen grabs of the opening consistently left me laughing, even though I liked it in motion. But really, that's the least of my concerns with this adaptation. I say bravo to the opening crew for going for it.
Title: Re: 2016 Berserk TV series: Episode 1
Post by: Skeleton on July 07, 2016, 03:12:11 AM
(http://i.imgur.com/dG8tqEk.jpg)

This is exactly how I feel.

:ganishka:

I'm calling it now. Out of all the animated Berserk projects, this anime is far and away the best. The other anime and movies couldn't even dream of coming close to entertaining me as much as y'all's reaction to this anime has. There is no doubt in my mind this anime is such pure gold that it'll be remembered and enjoyed by mankind for all of time. It's right up there with The Room. All it needs is someone to say," Oh, hi Guts!"
Title: Re: 2016 Berserk TV series: Episode 1
Post by: hearTes on July 07, 2016, 03:44:09 AM
Now that I think about it, they really put some good effort into the background throughout the episode, but at what cost?
Title: Re: 2016 Berserk TV series: Episode 1
Post by: Aazealh on July 07, 2016, 07:27:14 AM
http://i.imgur.com/dG8tqEk.jpg (http://i.imgur.com/dG8tqEk.jpg)

Wow, the fucking paws on that thing, what the hell. Have they never seen a rabbit? :ganishka:
Title: Re: 2016 Berserk TV series: Episode 1
Post by: Rhombaad on July 07, 2016, 01:09:09 PM
Wow, the fucking paws on that thing, what the hell. Have they never seen a rabbit? :ganishka:

They look like human feet. :ganishka:
Title: Re: 2016 Berserk TV series: Episode 1
Post by: Turkitage on August 07, 2016, 03:28:43 PM
What is this horse shit.
Title: Re: 2016 Berserk TV series: Episode 1
Post by: Aazealh on August 07, 2016, 03:57:51 PM
What is this horse shit.

:ganishka:
Title: Re: 2016 Berserk TV series: Episode 1
Post by: Oburi on August 07, 2016, 06:18:15 PM
What is this horse shit.

Damn dude I thought you died. Best thing about these shitty animes is the chance it brings back some lost members.
Title: Re: 2016 Berserk TV series: Episode 1
Post by: Turkitage on August 09, 2016, 12:41:10 AM
Damn dude I thought you died. Best thing about these shitty animes is the chance it brings back some lost members.

Hey man. yeah, it's been a while (three years) since I been on here. I didn't watch the new Berserk movies and only made it to episode 2 of this new adaptation and I regret doing so for every reason mentioned here and on the internet. I think with the movies I would have been able to sit through them but I just can't do it with this animated series. I'm done. All they had to do was just at least do a shitty job with this adaptation and I probably would have sat through it. Hopefully the next adaptation in 20 years will be mediocre. I wonder how many spiderman reboots will there be by then.
Title: Re: 2016 Berserk TV series: Episode 1
Post by: Aazealh on August 09, 2016, 06:02:37 AM
I think with the movies I would have been able to sit through them

Ohhhh I wouldn't be so sure about that. They were pretty bad in their own way.