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Title: 2016 Berserk TV series: Episode 2
Post by: Aazealh on July 08, 2016, 01:00:34 PM
This is the official discussion thread for the second episode of the 2016 TV series. Post your thoughts, impressions and reviews as you see fit.
Title: Re: 2016 Berserk TV series: Episode 2
Post by: Feeblecursedone on July 08, 2016, 01:59:56 PM
Done with the episode. Deciding to put Guts/Casca flashback vs 100 men during the H.I.C.K felt quite random. I can imagine how confusing its going to be to new fans when out of nowhere there are flashbacks to an uknown woman and an uknown guy ( griffith ) talking to guts. Beherit also came out of nowhere, Guts simply had it with him.

It looks they decided to use the injuries from the possessed tree as a way to restrain Guts for HICKS. Ost is still terrible and feels chooped and remixed way too much. If you already start with Blood and Guts, then finish the song without mixing it with something else.

Can't say much about else since i dont remember Farnese's dialogue 100% from that volume, but I think the voice actor for Serpico suits him. Still quite terrible but less terrible than episode 1 I guess.
Title: Re: 2016 Berserk TV series: Episode 2
Post by: Goosper on July 08, 2016, 02:10:46 PM
I don't know, it was slightly better than episode 1 but that's not really saying much. They really try to force the Golden Age stuff down your throat and it gets obnoxious. And I don't see any reason why Farnese should know about the Band of the Hawk/Falcon other than cheap fan service. Animation was terrible (especially that one shot of Guts running away from Puck.) My biggest problem is the lack of good facial expressions of the characters. It really takes out all the meaning from the scenes and it feels dull (good example being Guts interrogation. He feels so bland when he's saying all this cynical stuff and then having nothing to show for it on his face.) Music was bad. Transitions were bad.

And I guess in the next episode they're hanging out at a Resident Evil mansion instead of just a random rocky area. Don't know how to feel about that.
Title: Re: 2016 Berserk TV series: Episode 2
Post by: Feeblecursedone on July 08, 2016, 02:17:37 PM
Yeah, I really prefered Nobutoushi Hayashi as Guts' voice actor than this guy, guts voice feels too monotonous and devoid of any life/emotions.

Ditto on expressions and emotions given that is Miura's one of strongest suits.
Title: Re: 2016 Berserk TV series: Episode 2
Post by: residentgrigo on July 08, 2016, 02:23:24 PM
Yōko Hikasa was good as Farnese, the episode itself is somewhat easier to understand than the pilot and Toni´s death was funny. A true :troll: .

I felt that less movement was present, the compressed nature of the show utterly undermines the source material, the scene-direction is awful and the soundtrack is worse than in the films, just unredeemable trash. The 3D to even worse 2D (almost no animation) switching is also inexcusable, pick a style GEMBA! 3,5/10 so about the same as last time.
I expect no improvements in ep. 3 and a "highlight" ep. could be an all action showpiece down the line where the staff puts a big chunk of the budget into. 3D animation for TV usually improves over time, Green Lantern 2011 is great example, but TV anime usual “slows-down” over time. We will see.

Final impression: I started at the screen for 20 min and felt nothing. It was bad, but had some redeeming features, as we now have more even options. Why? This anime season´s worst offered Hybrid × Heart (2/10) is 100% worse and even lost a distribution partner. Lol. Just power though it GEMBA, only 10 more to go.
PS: The ultra problematic opening is now set it seems... It is the one thing i want to be changed the most, to at least have a good Youtube ad for Berserk.
 
Title: Re: 2016 Berserk TV series: Episode 2
Post by: ApostleBob on July 08, 2016, 02:37:53 PM
And I don't see any reason why Farnese should know about the Band of the Hawk/Falcon other than cheap fan service.

I believe this is using the films continuity, in which case Farnese, Azan, and Serpico would have been at the Celebration where the Armistice between Midland and Tudor was announced and the Band of the Falcon were elevated to peerage. Not manga canon, but it makes sense if they are using the films.

Title: Re: 2016 Berserk TV series: Episode 2
Post by: Dragon Warrior on July 08, 2016, 02:53:51 PM
I really hate how they skipped too much and yet... they made Guts's injuries from the tree of the last episode! It really stupid to me. They skipped too much and they didn't even show us flashbacks of what they skipped which pisses me off too much.

The injuries would have make more sense  if they didn't skip those episodes or at least they showed us some flashbacks. and the new fans would understand why Guts couldn't fight well against the whole army...
Title: Re: 2016 Berserk TV series: Episode 2
Post by: Walter on July 08, 2016, 03:08:12 PM
Very pleased to see that as expected, the pacing was much improved from the first episode. Everything felt more genuine, as a result. Was glad they included a lot of the smaller details and interactions between characters (Serpico and Azan's antics, most of Puck and Guts' exchanges here). Though the visuals and sound effects still hold everything back, for me. I doubt I'll be able to get over that aspect.

The biggest change, I felt, was that Farnese is able to connect the dots between Griffith-Guts of the Falcons to the current day scenario. I can somewhat rationalize their choice in giving her such deductive reasoning abilities as a means of exposition, but it's going to create problems when they try to mesh that Farnese with the manga's Farnese, who still hasn't put together the pieces.

Another problematic thing: When in the cage, Guts is muttering that he doesn't have time to waste, then says Casca's name (even though he hasn't set out to find her), but then does a double-take on his motivations after he's out of the cage, implying that he's off to find Femto. So... which is it? Seems to me like they're setting up to leapfrog Guts' return trip to Godot's place, where Guts dedicates himself to Casca. We'll see.

I lament the change in Guts and Puck's relationship. Instead of the 1-1.5 years they've been traveling together at this point, they've only known each other here for ~24 hours. That colors all of their interactions, and ... well, I just don't really like that these two don't have a real relationship yet.

The debut of Hai Yo was muddied by its timing and placement in the episode. I felt like it didn't make much sense for a heroic sounding song to be in an otherwise very unheroic moment for Guts, and by the time the dialogue started, it was spoiled by the song lyrics. Probably would have made more sense as an ending theme.

Very interested to see how Miura changes things up in the next episode. I feel like if I didn't know he was attached, I'd probably be pretty pissed about the liberties they're taking with that scenario, but with him at the helm, I'm actually intrigued to see how he'll handle things.
Title: Re: 2016 Berserk TV series: Episode 2
Post by: Delta Phi on July 08, 2016, 03:13:03 PM
Not much to say this time. A lot of my sentiments were covered by Imperator, Aaz, and Walter in the chat, and it seems to be shared by most everyone. Anyway, less egregious than the last, but the wonky animation really ruins it. I actually liked the emotion in the tent scene where Guts tells Farnese that she's as hollow as her idol, but then the animation completely took me out of it.

I also hate all the cuts between 2D and 3D, not because it's jarring, but because it's a constant reminder of what could have been.
Title: Re: 2016 Berserk TV series: Episode 2
Post by: Earthlingzing on July 08, 2016, 03:19:56 PM
Seems like they are taking the approach of trying to get new viewers to follow this series, with Farnese providing background knowledge and all. Guts' motivation also seems to have become to find Casca, which could mean that his meeting with Godot is getting cut.
Title: Re: 2016 Berserk TV series: Episode 2
Post by: Eluvei on July 08, 2016, 03:22:15 PM
I also hate all the cuts between 2D and 3D, not because it's jarring, but because it's a constant reminder of what could have been.

It's weird how there's almost no attempt to make the 2D drawings feel like they belong to one cohesive style. It's like there's no correction, whatever illustration the animators produced was immediately accepted and crammed in there. I'd understand if there was a lot of movement, but we're talking about mostly static illustrations here.

Do these screenshots seem like they belong to the same anime series?

(http://i.imgur.com/ZfGXfCb.png)

(http://i.imgur.com/BkmqLUb.png)

(http://i.imgur.com/BERarb3.png)
Title: Re: 2016 Berserk TV series: Episode 2
Post by: Delta Phi on July 08, 2016, 03:30:05 PM
Yeah, the range in quality of the 2D is something to behold.
Title: Re: 2016 Berserk TV series: Episode 2
Post by: Nothingwillbewong on July 08, 2016, 03:31:02 PM
Yeah visually it was a complete mess as expected especially the whip scenes, and Guts' teeth something wrong there. The pacing is definitely better but has everyone already said the visuals over shadow this whole adaptation
Edit: Also white Casca confirmed...  :schierke:
Title: Re: 2016 Berserk TV series: Episode 2
Post by: jackson_hurley on July 08, 2016, 03:34:40 PM
Well, this was way less of a mess than I expected for the second episode. Taking in mind that it's some sort of a follow up to the movies, some changes did not bothered me that much compared to others. I think I'll watch the complete season for I am curious now.
Title: Re: 2016 Berserk TV series: Episode 2
Post by: residentgrigo on July 08, 2016, 03:40:25 PM
Anime studios do key frames themselves and farm out the in-betweens to god knows where but GEMBA is doing 3D works here, so i assume that the other studios had no true frame of reference to work with for the highly inconsistent 2D bits. The few detailed ones as Guts eating are good though.
Title: Re: 2016 Berserk TV series: Episode 2
Post by: MrFlibble on July 08, 2016, 03:47:03 PM
"We passed the corpses of a man and a girl, and a number of skeletons that look like they've been dead for a thousand years THAT WAS YOU WASN'T IT?!"

What a confusing way of introducing Pucks telepathy ability, anyone who isn't familiar with Beserk will be left wondering why Puck is able to see flashbacks. And Farnese knows about the Band of the Falcon? What's the point of interrogating him if they already know who he is? it takes the spiritual grandeur out of what they're doing if they know exactly who the black swordsman is. I enjoyed the animation in the Golden Age flashbacks, though the way they're included in the episode is unnecessary and intrusive. That being said I'm looking forward next episode and the long grueling duel with Swine Apostle, quite possibly the most dangerous apostle Guts has ever fought.

Title: Re: 2016 Berserk TV series: Episode 2
Post by: Aazealh on July 08, 2016, 04:07:15 PM
So no big surprise but I think this is much more coherent than the first episode. They mostly follow the manga panel by panel, which ensures a certain level of quality. However, no matter how good the scripts become, they can't save this from the dreadful visuals, animation and sound. It seemed obvious to me in this episode, almost more so than in the previous one, that this show has got an awfully low budget. This shows for example when Guts rushes to get to Farnese in the woods and two soldiers try to intercept him. We just hear two big frying-pan-style clangs and then see a still image of Guts having cut them down. Same technique the 1997 anime used, but somehow executed more shoddily. This also explains things like why they didn't show Azan's blows crushing rocks and trees during his fight against Guts, probably because it's too difficult or costly for them to animate.

This is most problematic during scenes where strong expressions are required, like when Farnese whips Guts in a frenzy. Her face has no expression at all, it completely ruins the effect. Despite the overall faithfulness to the manga, there's also still problems because of how they've cut through the story. For example, Guts' armpit wound sustained during his "fight" against the tree (and shown for only half a second at the time) isn't really believable here. They also skipped the part where Azan prevents his men from hurting Guts after he's down for the count, which I felt was detrimental to the establishment of his character. On another note, we knew it from previews, but the beherit is confirmed to be grey instead of green. It's a small change but I just have to wonder why change it at all? It's even worse for Casca, whose skin color is again shown as porcelain white instead of brown. A perplexing and disappointing change.

Another perplexing addition was Farnese's deep knowledge of the Band of the Falcon and her basically recognizing Guts as one of their officers. In the manga, this information still hasn't been fully put together by Guts' group, but here Farnese knows all about it. It's just so the viewers who didn't see the movies can get some exposition, but it felt problematic to me, assuming they do plan on animating more of the series. After the whipping session, we see Serpico smiling (as if Farnese's mental problems were cool to him), while he shouldn't be. Again, a detail, but it messes with the portrayal of his character during his introduction... The Hirasawa song plays during Guts' escape. I'd say it's not one of his best efforts, but it's also used stupidly, with lyrics playing over dialogue. Other than that, the music and sound effects are pretty bad.

The scene Puck frees Guts is cut short and I guess that works, since they've known each other for such a short time in this alternate universe. It's somewhat similar to their relationship in volume 1. That being said, it's again somewhat clumsy since the rest of their interactions are straight from the manga where they're the fruit of having known each other for a while. There's also a confusing reference to Casca that Guts makes while he's imprisoned. One would assume that he's still going after Femto at this point, but that scene needlessly sows some doubt, when presumably he'll take the decision to go after her in the 4th episode (receiving the warning from his son and going to the tower directly, without going to Godot's place).

In the end, a conversation I had earlier with Imperator Hanseatic sums up my feelings on this. Even if the scripts are good enough in future episodes, they'll only ever be passable and unremarkable because the execution holds this adaptation back anyway. I guess it's better than being straight up terrible, but I still would have wanted more... Much more.
Title: Re: 2016 Berserk TV series: Episode 2
Post by: PENumber2 on July 08, 2016, 04:10:09 PM
This was such an improvement over the first episode! The only real cringe worthy animation moment for me was when Guts was escaping in Farnese's tent. Some very poorly animated guard opens the tent to tell her Guts has escaped and the way Guts hits him and he falls back... it was a face palm moment for me.

I found the flash back to when Guts killed 100 men to be appropriate. He was tired, he didn't have Casca with him so he basically toyed with these guys instead of slaughtering them, which let's face it, he would have done had he gotten a good nights sleep.

The flash backs to Griffith are good to. They're telling us the significance of the Beherit, and showing us glimpses of their friendship they used to have.

I wish this series was as well drawn and animated as the movies we got. The skies were beautiful, their attention to shading was spot on, characters were drawn pretty smoothly and consistently throughout. Hopefully we'll get there someday.

I'm cringing at the thought that next episode we might get to learn if they know how to draw the reproductive parts of a horse.  :magni: We saw what they did to a rabbit's feet.
Title: Re: 2016 Berserk TV series: Episode 2
Post by: hearTes on July 08, 2016, 04:26:05 PM
1. 2D animation was good for the most part. :guts:
2. Good pacing and it was nice to see that they didn't skip the minor interactions between the characters.  :ubik:
3. CGI and facial expressions don't go hand in hand in this adaptation.  :sad:
4. Guts gets knocked out by a couple of wounds, a piece of log to the leg and a stab to the shoulder!?  :schierke:
5. No explanation for the Beherit. Farnese apparently knows that the corpses in the Red Lake were the Band of the Hawk and that Guts was a member of the group!?   :???:
6. Terrible OST.  :magni:
7. Please tell me we will get to see the legendary Rape Horse in the next episode.

Overall, it was better than the first episode but still has problems that take a lot away from the experience.
Title: Re: 2016 Berserk TV series: Episode 2
Post by: residentgrigo on July 08, 2016, 04:49:39 PM
@hearTes About Farnese´s knowledge. She saw the Falcon´s in the 2nd film during during the victory ball, i guess. The show should acknowledge the film continuity though, for that to work. Not that they will. (The public knowledge that Guts is the Black Swordsman will rip more holes in the continuity later too, not that we will get that far.)
Title: Re: 2016 Berserk TV series: Episode 2
Post by: Aazealh on July 08, 2016, 04:56:06 PM
I'm cringing at the thought that next episode we might get to learn if they know how to draw the reproductive parts of a horse.  :magni:

Miura has written an entirely new scene for the next episode. Guts and Farnese will take refuge from the dogs in the mansion. I doubt the horse will be featured.
Title: Re: 2016 Berserk TV series: Episode 2
Post by: hearTes on July 08, 2016, 04:59:34 PM
@hearTes About Farnese´s knowledge. She saw the Falcon´s in the 2nd film during during the victory ball, i guess. The show should acknowledge the film continuity though, for that to work. Not that they will. (The public knowledge that Guts is the Black Swordsman will rip more holes in the continuity later too, not that we will get that far.)
Ah right, completely forgot about that, thanks.
Title: Re: 2016 Berserk TV series: Episode 2
Post by: Delta Phi on July 08, 2016, 05:08:36 PM
7. Please tell me we will get to see the legendary Rape Horse in the next episode.

 :schierke:
Title: Re: 2016 Berserk TV series: Episode 2
Post by: Nothingwillbewong on July 08, 2016, 05:15:46 PM
I felt like Griffith when he got reincarnated and tried to see if Guts could make him feel anything, watching this episode but contrary to griffith my heart didn't skip a beat once and my face was blank the entire time...
Title: Re: 2016 Berserk TV series: Episode 2
Post by: ApostleBob on July 08, 2016, 07:07:33 PM
I was pleasantly surprised to find out this didn't totally suck like the last episode. The visuals are all over the place, including flashbacks that vary a lot in quality. The colors are a bit too vibrant for my tastes and as Aaz said, a lot of the nit picking probably comes from a super low budget. The sound continues to be average to bad, with one of the worst dub step remixes of the movie score I could have imagined. I continue to stress what dog shit this lazy 'score' is and how much it hurts the experience.

However it's a pretty faithful adaptation of these episodes with only and handful of omissions and changes. I agree with Aaz on most of these, but I don't mind Farnese's detective work as it does two things for the show (I know blasphemy). It catches up new viewers or old viewers who need a refresher (it has been a while), and it gives Farnese a little bit of competence to add more conflict to the scene. She knows something about him but is drawing all the wrong conclusions. Overall I liked the scene.

The show continues to have flashbacks throughout, which I'm speculating may continue. We may get to see the Black swordsman arc in a series of flashbacks, showing the journey he's been on. That might be frustrating to have it in abridged form, but it would at least connect the dots.

It strikes me that even if we don't have a black swordsman flashback, a new viewer could watch the first episode of the old anime with the Snake Baron before the first of the new one, and it would fix a lot of my problems with it. But then again, we shouldn't have to come up with creative solutions for the studios screw ups.

A last note, it's weird that they still haven't introduced Puck's healing ability. It seems like something you'd want to establish early on here.
Title: Re: 2016 Berserk TV series: Episode 2
Post by: Rupert Sinclair on July 08, 2016, 08:04:19 PM
I actually think being closer to the source material made this one worse for me, it was difficult to watch for most of the running time if not all of it.  I don't know guys, I'm having a really hard time being positive about this.
Title: Re: 2016 Berserk TV series: Episode 2
Post by: Aazealh on July 08, 2016, 08:32:47 PM
A last note, it's weird that they still haven't introduced Puck's healing ability. It seems like something you'd want to establish early on here.

Indeed. But then again if they had, he could have easily cured that fleshwound the tree gave Guts that prevented him from swinging his sword against the Holy Iron Chain Knights.

I actually think being closer to the source material made this one worse for me, it was difficult to watch for most of the running time if not all of it.  I don't know guys, I'm having a really hard time being positive about this.

Well the show's bad as a whole, I don't think anyone will deny it. It's so low budget it hurts and the visuals, animations, sound effects, music and editing all leave a lot to be desired. But once we've established that, either we stop talking or we try to find the silver lining. Since it bears the name of Berserk, I at least prefer to see it follow the story somewhat faithfully rather than take wild liberties that'd make it even worse. I mean you saw what happened with the first episode, right?
Title: Re: 2016 Berserk TV series: Episode 2
Post by: Rupert Sinclair on July 08, 2016, 09:01:14 PM
Well the show's bad as a whole, I don't think anyone will deny it. It's so low budget it hurts and the visuals, animations, sound effects, music and editing all leave a lot to be desired. But once we've established that, either we stop talking or we try to find the silver lining. Since it bears the name of Berserk, I at least prefer to see it follow the story somewhat faithfully rather than take wild liberties that'd make it even worse. I mean you saw what happened with the first episode, right?

You guys must have been hardened by watching those movies, while I skipped those making this my first really crappy Berserk adaptation experience.  So please understand this one just really had me feeling the pain.  I think it just hit closer to home whereas the first episode was just so weirdly surreal and different I don't think I could even process it.  I'm interested in seeing this next episode and how Miura has reworked things though.  That at least should be interesting.
Title: Re: 2016 Berserk TV series: Episode 2
Post by: residentgrigo on July 08, 2016, 09:16:49 PM
I would have still disliked the show if i hadn´t watch the (destined to be better?) films, i am just very surprised that the quality didn´t increase, or reach the straightforward, yet flawed, level of film 1.
I expected the show to be at least a C level affair. So yeah, the advertisements and producer promises duped me. Only the revealing ep. names made my spider-sense tingle in the last second.

Look up ApostleBob´s Berserk Redux: skullknight.net/forum/index.php?topic=14116.0 (http://skullknight.net/forum/index.php?topic=14116.0) I would have preferred the 97 show as the basis + the Japanese VAs but he undebatably improved on the experience, and the films have enough good moments combine to at least make you think!
Even the PS2 game https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8phqA2gkkRc (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8phqA2gkkRc) (the cut-scenes are engaging, condensed writing and all) can be used to patchwork a long-form fan cut, one of these days, when the saga project goes into hibernation again.
Title: Re: 2016 Berserk TV series: Episode 2
Post by: Kaladin on July 08, 2016, 09:22:18 PM
they skipped the scene where guts calls puck "puck sama"  :mozgus:. for the most part, it was much more enjoyable than the first episode, wasn't a complete mess.

thought this was a really nice shot
(http://image.prntscr.com/image/ec4342d6662940e988edb4339650deef.png)
Title: Re: 2016 Berserk TV series: Episode 2
Post by: Walter on July 08, 2016, 09:34:25 PM
(http://skullknight.net/podcast/animeep2.png) (http://skullknight.net/podcast/Podcast-anime2016-2.mp3)
SPECIAL: Berserk (2016) Anime Impressions - Episode 2 (http://skullknight.net/podcast/Podcast-anime2016-2.mp3) (34m)

Things go smoother in the second episode of Berserk's latest animated adaptation, but it also gets a bit weird. Hear Walter and Aazealh's impressions of the latest episode and the immediate future.
Title: Re: 2016 Berserk TV series: Episode 2
Post by: Aazealh on July 08, 2016, 09:50:11 PM
You guys must have been hardened by watching those movies, while I skipped those making this my first really crappy Berserk adaptation experience.  So please understand this one just really had me feeling the pain.  I think it just hit closer to home whereas the first episode was just so weirdly surreal and different I don't think I could even process it.  I'm interested in seeing this next episode and how Miura has reworked things though.  That at least should be interesting.

I completely understand. The sooner you get into the mindset that this is just a form of merchandising to expand Berserk's mindshare, the easier it'll be to stomach. Basically, you need to bury the hope you might have once had that this would do Berserk justice.
Title: Re: 2016 Berserk TV series: Episode 2
Post by: Cuthbert19 on July 08, 2016, 10:23:38 PM
I liked this episode.  It was way better than the first for sure.  I take it that the animation and sound effects are probably not going to get any better so there's that but even those problems were less of an issue this week for me because the story was on point.  If the first one had been Guts vs Rosine or the Snake Baron I would be happy with it as for me the only big plot hole was how Guts was defeated so easily.

Anyway, at this point the series is batting .500 to me.  I'm willing to accept that the animation is going to be sub-par as long as the plot is followed reasonably.
Title: Re: 2016 Berserk TV series: Episode 2
Post by: DANGERDOOOOM on July 09, 2016, 01:40:00 AM
I'd give this episode a neutral grade; not too bad, but also not too good. Couldn't help but notice straight from the start of the episode that Casca decided to go full Michael Jackson on us :???:. Not sure what the whole idea was on the color director for okaying that...

Otherwise I'd say this episode really brought great details straight from the manga. Was not expecting as much focus on Azan at all. Thought they'd go with the whole 'Blah blah blah, we're here to capture you because you're evil blah blah blah. Only focused on Farnese' route. I was pleasantly surprised with how much more they added to the Holy Iron Chain Knights conflict with Guts.

Also I really wish they would change those Dragon Slayer 'pots and pans' sound effects they are using. When Guts swings his massive sword with all his muscles tensing and his clenching teeth, I'd expect more of a satisfying deep and heavy rumble from the swing and a bone crunching splatter sound on impact, not TWANG PING TWANG.
Title: Re: 2016 Berserk TV series: Episode 2
Post by: Darkman on July 09, 2016, 01:53:35 AM
As others have said, I did not care much for the band of the falcon being mention and the flashbacks, but after the interogation, I felt like everything got better, i don't know why but it seemed smoother, or perhaps its just because it followed the manga more closely.  Something felt different, like maybe there is hope, then i see the sneak peak to next week :magni:
Title: Re: 2016 Berserk TV series: Episode 2
Post by: Rupert Sinclair on July 09, 2016, 02:01:58 AM
Basically, you need to bury the hope you might have once had that this would do Berserk justice.

Oh I never had that hope.  But I don't think anything really could anyway.  It's a masterpiece few understand or appreciate in the way it should be appreciated.  This all just makes me realize how great the manga is all over again I guess.
Title: Re: 2016 Berserk TV series: Episode 2
Post by: RaffoBaffo on July 09, 2016, 04:01:54 AM
What that "7/8 YA may relase it too" means, in a non-Gogle Translate language?

http://i.imgur.com/OFCiEfB.jpg
Title: Re: 2016 Berserk TV series: Episode 2
Post by: idi0tf0wl on July 09, 2016, 06:55:46 AM
What that "7/8 YA may relase it too" means, in a non-Gogle Translate language?

"It looks like it'll appear in the 7/8 Young Animal, too."

Didn't happen, though.
Title: Re: 2016 Berserk TV series: Episode 2
Post by: Aazealh on July 09, 2016, 08:31:13 AM
Oh I never had that hope.  But I don't think anything really could anyway.  It's a masterpiece few understand or appreciate in the way it should be appreciated.  This all just makes me realize how great the manga is all over again I guess.

One thing I find really telling is that the same material covered in the anime is included in Young Animal in the form of a supplement (as a reminder, Young Animal costs $2). It was the case for the one with episode 344 and it'll be the case for the one with episode 345. What does that say about the confidence they put in this adaptation? And meanwhile, volumes 1 through 14 are available for free on hakusensha-e.net (http://www.hakusensha-e.net/0624bercam) until September 30. The message is pretty clear to me: "please read the manga".
Title: Re: 2016 Berserk TV series: Episode 2
Post by: Uriel on July 09, 2016, 11:29:26 AM
The flashback stuff made sense to me, even it's placement.

The animation and music continue to shake me out of enjoying the experience at all. Just when I think "Oh, here we go!" I'm instantly distracted by a grotesque audio or visual cue. Still, this episode was markedly better than the first, but that isn't saying much.

Save us in episode 3, Miura!
Title: Re: 2016 Berserk TV series: Episode 2
Post by: volatilecurry on July 09, 2016, 12:55:12 PM
I just find myself with so little to say after watching episode 2. This isn't the Berserk I wanted. The 3D sucks. The brief glimpses we get of hand drawn animation are nice but leave me wishing the entire show looked like that. I just don't know what they were thinking with this thing.
Title: Re: 2016 Berserk TV series: Episode 2
Post by: Rupert Sinclair on July 09, 2016, 03:14:26 PM
And meanwhile, volumes 1 through 14 are available for free on hakusensha-e.net (http://www.hakusensha-e.net/0624bercam) until September 30.

Oh wow.  I saw that add but I didn't realize it was saying they were free! :isidro:  That's great!
Title: Re: 2016 Berserk TV series: Episode 2
Post by: Feeblecursedone on July 09, 2016, 03:16:46 PM
Looks like an excellent opportunity. Does anyone know what the shipping cost would be though?
Title: Re: 2016 Berserk TV series: Episode 2
Post by: Rupert Sinclair on July 09, 2016, 03:17:47 PM
Looks like an excellent opportunity. Does anyone know what the shipping cost would be though?

It's only the digital editions and they're only available to view for free until September 30th.
Title: Re: 2016 Berserk TV series: Episode 2
Post by: Feeblecursedone on July 09, 2016, 03:23:43 PM
Ah I see, thanks for info. Still think I'll grab a few though.  :ubik:
Title: Re: 2016 Berserk TV series: Episode 2
Post by: The Beast of Darkness on July 09, 2016, 07:22:27 PM
There is a bit of improvements, but I still can't bear this 3D... during the whole episode, my main thought was: "Why haven't they done the whole thing in 2D ?".
Anyway, it was watchable.
Title: Re: 2016 Berserk TV series: Episode 2
Post by: roseputter on July 10, 2016, 03:37:59 PM
https://youtu.be/3pl7kPsS2Qc (https://youtu.be/3pl7kPsS2Qc)
I did another crackie review if anyone wants to hear my words :)
Title: Re: 2016 Berserk TV series: Episode 2
Post by: buttonmasher on July 10, 2016, 06:03:17 PM
You just called in an air strike on your face.  Good luck!
Title: Re: 2016 Berserk TV series: Episode 2
Post by: Walter on July 10, 2016, 06:04:15 PM
https://youtu.be/3pl7kPsS2Qc (https://youtu.be/3pl7kPsS2Qc)
I did another crackie review if anyone wants to hear my words :)

This is an important critique that every Berserk fan needs to watch and form an opinion of.
Title: Re: 2016 Berserk TV series: Episode 2
Post by: Roderick on July 10, 2016, 11:56:36 PM
This series brought me back to the forums after the GA movies ground my hopes and dreams into dust.

Yet here it is, 2016, and this TV series looks like it debuted in 1999.  The CGI is just so inadequate here in expressing emotion, giving everyone an eternal botox look.  The cel shading is the only visible improvement, and even that is widely uneven as some scenes have the characters looking like they are made out of porcelain or gummy creatures.  This sort of proto-3D animation dates so horribly compared to traditional animation, I'm surprised it's still being used.  The movies at least had the gimmick of watching these in 3-D using glasses, which partially excused it.  I doubt the TV series is offering that luxury.

The music, one of those things that even the lowest budget indie projects can excel at, is a major misfire here.  When I'm not tempted to look away from the screen, I am otherwise tempted to hit the mute button.  The music is often inappropriate regarding what is happening off-screen and when it it could be, it's easily forgettable.  This episode in particular had some poor mixing where the music overwhelmed the dialogue in some instances.

I also haven't noticed any real notable direction over these two episodes.  Sometimes they just have rough cut or tech demo quality.  At best, they do little more than mimic the manga panels.

The saving graces here are that some of the voice-acting is pretty good--oft the silver lining of any bargain basement program--and the script is more or less faithful to the manga.  That and we are at least getting uncharted territory

There is a bit of improvements, but I still can't bear this 3D... during the whole episode, my main thought was: "Why haven't they done the whole thing in 2D ?".
Anyway, it was watchable.

Believe me, I thought I'd be over this by now.  But the stubborn insistence to use substandard 3-D models in 90% of these episodes just continues to nag considering economy hand-drawn animation could have accomplished this better.  Has there been an artist/animator strike in Japan that I'm not aware of?
Title: Re: 2016 Berserk TV series: Episode 2
Post by: residentgrigo on July 11, 2016, 01:13:03 AM
@Roderick That is a complicated to answer question but home media sales (midnight anime need these) have been going down, streaming isn´t all that profitable and the amount of anime per season now reached a historical high. Animators are also being payed downright crushing wages and leaving the industry (video-games pay better) but that is another topic.
Japanese animation market sustains 2-year consecutive decline:
http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2016-03-21/japanese-bd-dvd-sales-down-5.1-percent-from-2014-anime-bd-dvd-sales-down-6.9-percent/.100044
I myself fully expect (another) industry crash within this decade and at least Hideaki Anno is on my side. Just look at what happened to Studio Ghibli, the one name in anime outsiders know. This anime season turned out to be pretty well though, with the puppet "animated" Thunderbolt Fantasy being the highlight. Live on the Titanic has it´s moments  :ganishka:  and next year will have IG´s LOGH remake. 
Title: Re: 2016 Berserk TV series: Episode 2
Post by: Skeleton on July 11, 2016, 03:03:40 AM
https://youtu.be/3pl7kPsS2Qc (https://youtu.be/3pl7kPsS2Qc)
I did another crackie review if anyone wants to hear my words :)

People come to your videos for the clear, concise reviews. But they stay for the random homophobia/racism. 10/10.
Title: Re: 2016 Berserk TV series: Episode 2
Post by: DirectDK on July 11, 2016, 02:04:38 PM
Stumbled upon this.  A panel / shot comparison between ep 2 and the manga: http://imgur.com/a/REJg0

Also, in regards to the ep, I was pretty pleased with ep 2!  Farnese/Serpico/Azan were so fun to watch.  Farnese and Serpico pretty much act and sound how I imagine they would early on in the series.  I enjoyed the flashback integration too, though turned off by Casca's whitening.  Hopefully it's just a flashback stylistic choice and maybe when they show her in present time it'll be different... we'll see.  I liked most of the music cues this time around, except for the one where it was a bunch of whispers.  Of course, hearing Susumu's song was super awesome!  He's the best!  Pacing felt good, and yeah, definitely had more of a focus over the first episode.  I'm realllly pumped for ep 3 especially after hearing about Miura's involvement.  Overall, just getting pretty excited to see how this series pans out!
Title: Re: 2016 Berserk TV series: Episode 2
Post by: ApostleBob on July 11, 2016, 02:39:02 PM
Stumbled upon this.  A panel / shot comparison between ep 2 and the manga: http://imgur.com/a/REJg0

The effort is definitely there, it just feel like they have a super low budget to achieve it. And no one handling sound or music. :judo:
Title: Re: 2016 Berserk TV series: Episode 2
Post by: Defengar on July 12, 2016, 03:43:15 AM
For as many issues as the 97 series had, at least it had leagues better pacing than this (among other things...). I would also rather they use the 97 series' cost saving tactic of using decent looking stills instead of this tripe, already dated looking CGI.
Title: Re: 2016 Berserk TV series: Episode 2
Post by: Nomad on July 12, 2016, 06:09:16 AM
So I finally caught up with this new series, and well... Can't say my bar was high.  I'm glad that they decided to continue regardless of how good or bad the Golden Arc films were.  But like most people here, I'd say this episode felt much better as far as pacing than the previous one.  The use of music however is starting to bother me.  Like mentioned in the cast, they added the heroic theme WITH lyrics in the most inappropriate times.  Don't they have access to raw recordings and keep it instrumental?  Unleash the Hirasawa voice at a time of real triumph?  And oh how I missed the Blood and Guts theme...  :schierke:

Perhaps I am nit-picking, but it also seems that there's a lot of miss use of their budget (also brought up by Aaz).  Instead of giving us a 13 second 180 degree pan of Guts walking around, use it at a time of confrontation or battle.  Isn't that one of the few strengths of watching an animated feature? Motion?   

Regardless of all this, I already know a few people that got into it and are now going back to both 97 anime and the recent films as well. So on that matter, I guess their project is getting an audience.
Title: Re: 2016 Berserk TV series: Episode 2
Post by: Gamehowitzer on July 13, 2016, 10:44:20 PM
This is an important critique that every Berserk fan needs to watch and form an opinion of.
Was that  joke? please tell me that was a joke. i can hardly take this guy seriously during his video because he's (trying to be funny?) annoying.
 what i heard is "its supposed to be different from the manga and all of you people are whiny babies but i get the CGI deal" 1, the anime is supposed to represent the manga, and most of us who have read it are part of the general consensus that this does not represent the manga in a positive way. We are upset for that reason. 2, he said that the conversations were too fast paced. I disagree. they spend quite a bit of time on dialogue and while i am disappointed with this series i was pleased that the dialogue more or less represented the source material. 3,you never said why azan is "stupid" or "silly" 4, You cant just say the episode is Good. You cant. Its just too concise. You should sum up your reasons why the episode is good.
Title: Re: 2016 Berserk TV series: Episode 2
Post by: Walter on July 14, 2016, 01:29:54 AM
Was that  joke? please tell me that was a joke. i can hardly take this guy seriously during his video because he's (trying to be funny?) annoying.
No. I was not serious. I was actually hoping that more people would watch it and tear it to pieces, because I couldn't find the energy at the time.
Title: Re: 2016 Berserk TV series: Episode 2
Post by: Rupert Sinclair on July 14, 2016, 01:52:35 AM
No. I was not serious. I was actually hoping that more people would watch it and tear it to pieces, because I couldn't find the energy at the time.

I think it tore itself to pieces.
Title: Re: 2016 Berserk TV series: Episode 2
Post by: The Beast of Darkness on July 14, 2016, 01:56:58 PM
No. I was not serious. I was actually hoping that more people would watch it and tear it to pieces, because I couldn't find the energy at the time.

I watched it when he posted it... I can't wait to hear his thoughts on episode 3.
Title: Re: 2016 Berserk TV series: Episode 2
Post by: jackson_hurley on July 14, 2016, 02:21:25 PM
I think it tore itself to pieces.

I think it did indeed. A good 6 min of my time wasted.
Title: Re: 2016 Berserk TV series: Episode 2
Post by: Vixen Comics on July 19, 2016, 08:18:52 PM
ok, I have been holding off on actually watching this because I have just not been all that interested in checking this out, but I finally caved. Episode 2 is the first episode that I have seen. At some point I will get around to watching the first one but this one was one I was able see sooner.

let me just say I am very butt hurt that the anime (among other thing) decided to skip over the Black Sword's Man and lost children arc with Jill and Roshine. They are by far my most favorite and enjoyable stories in the series and are the only areas of Berserk manga I have read more than once. So the fact they just skip right over to Farnese, Serpico and the H.I.C.KS was disappointing. That being said, even though I like the BSM and LC storylines the best, I really like this portion of Berserk as well with the H.I.C.Ks. This was a time where Farnese was at a very interesting place emotionally. Farnese was someone I did not like intially just like Casca and she grew on me eventually in the manga.  :farnese: So hearing her animated and speaking in all her posturing glory was...ok. I feel like if they had taken their time with Farnese and the H.I.C.KSs that the dynamics of Farnese's over the top posturing and her   arrogant treatment of those around her could have been better fleshed out. Instead I feel she and the other H.I.C.Ks fall flat. the fact the H.I.C.Ks are a bunch of pampered noble heirs that mostly just look and act the part of a knight is mostly just talked about in exposition by Serpico. I know it is somewhat the same in the manga (since Serpico does bring this up) but you see it shown more in the manga than you do here.

I also really like the interrogation scene between Farnese and Guts in the manga and was dreading how this will come off in this anime.  I was disappointed mostly, they some what hit some of it. Farnese was alright here but some how I feel they toned down her overly full of herself arrogance and stern posturing that she is depicted having in this scene in the manga. Yes, Farnese is trying hard to be authrotive in the manga, but here in the anime it seems like she is trying too hard. I'm not sure if it is the voice acting but I feel she is not as convincing. The whipping scene seemed both exaggerated and toned down. The sexual tension Farnese is feeling is there but nothing else that makes this out burst so nuanced. it's not just that Guts makes her hot that makes this good in the manga.

Guts is actually the biggest offender here. My God, put some fucking emotion in it will you? Guts's voice actor is the same from the trilogy and he still can not put any inflection in his voice. Why did they keep him? I know in this stage of Guts's life he is emotionally dead but it comes out in him being an epic (sometimes subtle) asshole, not a monotoned voiced robot. Boy does Guts asshole it up in Farnese's face during the interrogation scene in the manga. The way he mocks her and pushes her buttons and the shit eating smirks he makes while she questions him was gold. I loved it! Here you would think Guts was being asked what size shoe he wears...the point is, even while Guts was in his dark phase he never came across to me as being totally emotionless like he is here. Then again when he escapes and confronts Farnese in her tent or when he is kidnapping Farnese and threatening to burn her butt. No emotion except generic agression. Guts's personality and general disposition come off very flat here.

And then there is Farnese's deduction work of who Guts really is and his connection to the bad of the hawk. At first I was pleasantly surprised it surely makes Farnese more intelligent and capable than she is shown to be at this stage. But the more I thought about it the more I disliked it. It just felt cheap and now I wonder how this will play out later in the story. What,have her second guess her original deduction so she can look more stupid than she is and also keep  the mystery of Guts's past present like in the manga? Or change the storyline around all together?

Serpico comes off way more creepy and stalker-ish than he should be.

Azan is the only one I feel came off rather well. When I first came across him I thought he was going to be another Adon clone, but he is much more than that and I like that he is the only member besides Serpico who is worth a damn in the H.I.C.Ks.

There is something that happens in this that I wonder if it came off the same in the manga. When Guts is taking off with Farnese on the horse Farnese almost hits the ground. Did she throw herself off or did Guts deliberately dangle her head above the stones on purpose. Thats not how played out in the manga?
Title: Re: 2016 Berserk TV series: Episode 2
Post by: Cyrus Jong on July 19, 2016, 09:45:21 PM
There is something that happens in this that I wonder if it came off the same in the manga. When Guts is taking off with Farnese on the horse Farnese almost hits the ground. Did she throw herself off or did Guts deliberately dangle her head above the stones on purpose. Thats not how played out in the manga?
Considering Puck's horrified reactions directed at Guts, as well as the look of surprise on Farnese's face when she started to fall in this scene, it's pretty clear Guts deliberately dangled her off the horse in the manga. So the anime didn't really change anything on this front.
Title: Re: 2016 Berserk TV series: Episode 2
Post by: Gamehowitzer on July 23, 2016, 05:28:45 AM
No. I was not serious. I was actually hoping that more people would watch it and tear it to pieces, because I couldn't find the energy at the time.
Oh good. I was seriously confused at the time whether you were serious XD I hope that i Didnt let you down in tearing his review to pieces.
Title: Re: 2016 Berserk TV series: Episode 2
Post by: the immortal bob on July 29, 2016, 02:41:31 AM
ok, I have been holding off on actually watching this because I have just not been all that interested in checking this out, but I finally caved. Episode 2 is the first episode that I have seen. At some point I will get around to watching the first one but this one was one I was able see sooner.

let me just say I am very butt hurt that the anime (among other thing) decided to skip over the Black Sword's Man and lost children arc with Jill and Roshine. They are by far my most favorite and enjoyable stories in the series and are the only areas of Berserk manga I have read more than once. So the fact they just skip right over to Farnese, Serpico and the H.I.C.KS was disappointing. That being said, even though I like the BSM and LC storylines the best, I really like this portion of Berserk as well with the H.I.C.Ks. This was a time where Farnese was at a very interesting place emotionally. Farnese was someone I did not like intially just like Casca and she grew on me eventually in the manga.  :farnese: So hearing her animated and speaking in all her posturing glory was...ok. I feel like if they had taken their time with Farnese and the H.I.C.KSs that the dynamics of Farnese's over the top posturing and her   arrogant treatment of those around her could have been better fleshed out. Instead I feel she and the other H.I.C.Ks fall flat. the fact the H.I.C.Ks are a bunch of pampered noble heirs that mostly just look and act the part of a knight is mostly just talked about in exposition by Serpico. I know it is somewhat the same in the manga (since Serpico does bring this up) but you see it shown more in the manga than you do here.

I also really like the interrogation scene between Farnese and Guts in the manga and was dreading how this will come off in this anime.  I was disappointed mostly, they some what hit some of it. Farnese was alright here but some how I feel they toned down her overly full of herself arrogance and stern posturing that she is depicted having in this scene in the manga. Yes, Farnese is trying hard to be authrotive in the manga, but here in the anime it seems like she is trying too hard. I'm not sure if it is the voice acting but I feel she is not as convincing. The whipping scene seemed both exaggerated and toned down. The sexual tension Farnese is feeling is there but nothing else that makes this out burst so nuanced. it's not just that Guts makes her hot that makes this good in the manga.

Guts is actually the biggest offender here. My God, put some fucking emotion in it will you? Guts's voice actor is the same from the trilogy and he still can not put any inflection in his voice. Why did they keep him? I know in this stage of Guts's life he is emotionally dead but it comes out in him being an epic (sometimes subtle) asshole, not a monotoned voiced robot. Boy does Guts asshole it up in Farnese's face during the interrogation scene in the manga. The way he mocks her and pushes her buttons and the shit eating smirks he makes while she questions him was gold. I loved it! Here you would think Guts was being asked what size shoe he wears...the point is, even while Guts was in his dark phase he never came across to me as being totally emotionless like he is here. Then again when he escapes and confronts Farnese in her tent or when he is kidnapping Farnese and threatening to burn her butt. No emotion except generic agression. Guts's personality and general disposition come off very flat here.

And then there is Farnese's deduction work of who Guts really is and his connection to the bad of the hawk. At first I was pleasantly surprised it surely makes Farnese more intelligent and capable than she is shown to be at this stage. But the more I thought about it the more I disliked it. It just felt cheap and now I wonder how this will play out later in the story. What,have her second guess her original deduction so she can look more stupid than she is and also keep  the mystery of Guts's past present like in the manga? Or change the storyline around all together?

Serpico comes off way more creepy and stalker-ish than he should be.

Azan is the only one I feel came off rather well. When I first came across him I thought he was going to be another Adon clone, but he is much more than that and I like that he is the only member besides Serpico who is worth a damn in the H.I.C.Ks.

There is something that happens in this that I wonder if it came off the same in the manga. When Guts is taking off with Farnese on the horse Farnese almost hits the ground. Did she throw herself off or did Guts deliberately dangle her head above the stones on purpose. Thats not how played out in the manga?

Some of the best pieces of this episode were the moments where Guts outright brought up the trauma that farnese witnessed that led to her religious ways when she gave her answer.

I think the rearrangement and flashbacks worked better because it felt highly referential in sequence.  I felt the deja vu to the one hundred men battle looking at it through the perspective the anime set up of this battle.  It's taking me deeper into the questions Guts might be asking about his past.  Questions that are still unanswered in my viewing of Berserk.  This referential backwards viewing also helped with the mention of fire and Guts question to farnese.

This is the second faithful practicioner Guts has seen in this series. And he didn't keep himself as removed from Farnese as it initially appeared, to my then younger eyes at least, in the manga.

Sometimes it gets lost that during this whole time Guts is a person who holds knowledge of the true "spirtual" forces that are fucking with the world.  Or the causality of it.  It seems like when he asked if Farnese saw any difference between God and the devil he was potentially opening up to her as a highly intelligent subject.

I wouldn't have guessed after her treatment of him and how i view farnese that she was someone you could trust to understand what is going on in the less midland intrapolitical reality of berserk, even Puck is shocked that farnese cannot see him.  But Guts chose to broach the subject of letting someone know what the hell is actually happened in the red eclipse.  It echoes back to the conversation he had with Griffith after facing zod, and it's interesting that Farnese is someone that even though not by skill is also someone who has "defeated" Guts.    This is the first encounter i can remember of that made me think Guts perhaps wanted to tell the world of the existence of the supernatural that is haunting him.  Or it could be as it was in the last episode that he often does reference it but is rarely understood as he mentioned he was haunted to the covered wagon driver with puck and the child.  This makes the reality of Guts being a loner by choice juxtaposed by him being alone even when he sees potential in another.  I certainly wouldn't have been brave enough to trust farnese to understand it.

On the other foot his insight brings up the problem of making farnese's insecurities seem right, even though at this point we are unaware of thim and she is close minded.

I also agree the azan is a bad ass in this episode.  A romantic who is in an order filled with people avoiding his code, in a cause that is misguided that generates respect.

the world of berserk usually doesn't treat idealists too kindly but azan seems to subsist by his strength, so it's that he achieves his code by that strength inner and outer.  A code that he does see as his strength.