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Title: 2016 Berserk TV series: Episode 3
Post by: Aazealh on July 15, 2016, 01:31:58 PM
This is the official discussion thread for the third episode of the 2016 TV series. Post your thoughts, impressions and reviews as you see fit.
Title: Re: 2016 Berserk TV series: Episode 3
Post by: Feeblecursedone on July 15, 2016, 02:11:41 PM
So we are back to frying pan sound effects ( even ghosts this time ) and terrible choped metal music. Boar apostle was shoved into an area that doesnt exist to serve I guess as an introduction to apostles but it failes at that miserably. This guy was literally biggest cannon fodder in manga, why in the world did they think shoving him instead of snake baron or count was better? His background was an attempt to showcase how one becomes an apostle, but it fails there as well. Beherit is barely hinted at, and the flashing images that change every milisecond didnt really help either. It way too fast for what they were trying to accomplish ( to explain it to new fans )

Now they're pushing towards Femto's reincarnation like mad and the next episode has pieces that occur before Farnese's kidnapping and the whole chase.

If this was written by Miura, I can hardly believe it.

Title: Re: 2016 Berserk TV series: Episode 3
Post by: residentgrigo on July 15, 2016, 02:32:39 PM
I hated it. I never looked up who did episodes of letīs say Game of Throes before watching and judged every endeavor on itīs own. The same applies here and whoever was responsible (how was Miura credited?) made 22 minutes of downright unwatchable television. The worst one so far and i like nothing about ep.3. The scene transitions were the worst, i donīt even know what to say about the animation for both randomly intermixed styles (2D Farnese had visible nipples btw. just without color) and i can best describe the experience as a sad parody of Berserk. I strongly hope that this was rock bottom and that we will again reach the lofty hight of ep.2 (3,5/10). Shame on Hakusensha for thinking that fans would blindly support just any unartistic trash out of brand loyalty. 2/10
Forgot: The use of music was the most cohesive so far, minus the possession scene.
Title: Re: 2016 Berserk TV series: Episode 3
Post by: Nothingwillbewong on July 15, 2016, 02:40:57 PM
Episode feels like Berserk atleast... It was enjoyable, especially the last part with the king dying the music actually fit the situation really well.
Title: Re: 2016 Berserk TV series: Episode 3
Post by: Goosper on July 15, 2016, 02:48:54 PM
Honestly, I thought this was much better. Maybe I might be biased just because I knew beforehand that Miura wrote it, but I had a much better experience watching this episode then the two previous ones. Seems like Miura felt the need to step in when they didn't explain Guts' war against the apostles. The apostle himself wasn't really an amazing character (mostly because he's not fleshed out as much as Snake Baron and the Count) but I think that he served his purpose well enough. I'm not saying he had an amazing backstory, but it was an interesting direction to take the Boar Apostle. Other than that it mostly follows the manga (besides the setting) and basically the rest of the episode was a speeding bullet to Femto's reincarnation and the Kushan invasion.

That said, I did have some problems with it. Like Feeblecursedone said the use of the beherit wasn't really explained well. The fight scene wasn't amazing but I feel like this rendition of Guts is either stupid or just incompetent, because during that whole monologue about human meat from the Apostle, Manga Guts would have blown him away with the cannon, instead of flopping around like a ragdoll in it's mouth. Another thing, the monologue about human meat from the apostle went on way too long, and the voice actor was starting to get on my nerves. Also, I don't know if I'm the only one, but the Possessed Horse sequence just felt so awkward (and I don't mean being an uncomfortable scene.) It was weirdly silent when Farnese was running away from the horse and the voice actor for the horse was making some goofy ass noises in the background and the whole thing was animated poorly. It felt like a parody of itself and I honestly think it could have been cut from the episode altogether.
Title: Re: 2016 Berserk TV series: Episode 3
Post by: Patrick on July 15, 2016, 03:02:13 PM
I personally liked this episode more than the first two. As Nothingwillbebewong also said, it felt like Berserk to me.
Title: Re: 2016 Berserk TV series: Episode 3
Post by: Eluvei on July 15, 2016, 03:08:40 PM
I personally liked this episode more than the first two. As Nothingwillbebewong also said, it felt like Berserk to me.

I don't know, to me it felt more like something you'd find by typing "Epic Berzerk AMV" on Youtube. I'm done with this show. :daiba:
Title: Re: 2016 Berserk TV series: Episode 3
Post by: Salem on July 15, 2016, 03:14:25 PM
I bet you guys didn't even know there are different grades of meat.   :schnoz:
Title: Re: 2016 Berserk TV series: Episode 3
Post by: TricksieThiefsie on July 15, 2016, 03:18:46 PM
This is actually the first episode I watched without any skipping or whatever, because I was interested how Miura is involved with it. It was complete garbage.

At this point this anime doesn't exist for me anymore. I am not even talking about how "funny" it is in its mediocrity, it's just plain unwatchable.
Title: Re: 2016 Berserk TV series: Episode 3
Post by: Inga-no-Nagare on July 15, 2016, 03:34:29 PM
Story-wise, it was not bad, I think. The apostle was generic, very forgettable, but still, it was all quite Berserk.

The visuals sucked big time. No memorably pretty parts, while still lots of really clunky animation and ugly 3D models.

But the one part that drives me nuts is that with this ep they established, without a shadow of a doubt, that whatever Guts' sword hits, be it flesh or spirit or warm butter, it's gonna sound like a fucking CLANNNG!!!
Title: Re: 2016 Berserk TV series: Episode 3
Post by: Hanma_Baki on July 15, 2016, 03:38:58 PM
^yeah no matter how stupid or ignorant one might be those weird CLANGS! shouldnt go unnoticed.

And seriously that whole bit about meat and the apostles voice almost made me drop it, was w/o a doubt the most painful moment outta this show this far.

I can totally see how Miura tried to fix this mess of a show, but man! It's just so incredibly poorly executed on ALL aspects that its not even worth making fun of anymore. I'm so embarrassed and heartbroken by this whole thing. Yeah I'm done as well. If I happen to be in a particularly masochistic mood I'll probably watch it but ANY little hope for at least "decent" material there might've been is forever gone.
Title: Re: 2016 Berserk TV series: Episode 3
Post by: Earthlingzing on July 15, 2016, 04:16:49 PM
I think the different grades of meat thing was very dumb and a waste of time, but the hawk premonition stuff at the end made up for it.
Title: Re: 2016 Berserk TV series: Episode 3
Post by: MrFlibble on July 15, 2016, 04:28:16 PM
This is one sucked more than the last one, if they had to insert apostle filler in this episode why pick the swine apostle? Why not the Boy from the PS2 game, or the Count? Or a new apostle design? Having a slow lumbering blob of shit with the agility to climb support beams looks stupid. The editing and timing is atrocious, the quick duel between Guts and Serpico looked as if they were following a script, in the manga it's clear they are trying to catch eachother off guard, here it appears choreographed . The most baffling decision I think was adding the revelations arc at the end, they really should have waited until the week after, it felt far, far too rushed. "Heresarebelationpeoplehad,here's midland here's Charlotteheres thekinghesdeadisthedecrrpitkingcanon?whocareslookkushaninvasionkbye!"
Title: Re: 2016 Berserk TV series: Episode 3
Post by: ApostleBob on July 15, 2016, 05:39:16 PM
Some decent ideas in this episode...executed poorly. The Apostle looks like barely any effort went into it, and all the fighting is off screen with blood and body parts flying into frame. The sound track and sound effects are terrible as usual. The apostle has an interesting, if hard to follow back story at least. And Farnese's possession is confusing as hell and awkwardly executed in an erotic way.

And then Credits roll over Guts and Serpico exchanging blows.

It's bold of them to to include the horse into here though.
Title: Re: 2016 Berserk TV series: Episode 3
Post by: Walter on July 15, 2016, 06:43:39 PM
Haven't had time to post my impressions yet, but I've got something better instead:

(http://skullknight.net/podcast/animeep3a.png) (http://skullknight.net/podcast/Podcast-anime2016-3.mp3)
Berserk (2016) Anime Impressions - Episode 3 (http://skullknight.net/podcast/Podcast-anime2016-3.mp3) (43m)

We discuss the new scenario written by Miura and how it stacks up alongside all the other problems with this new adaptation.
Title: Re: 2016 Berserk TV series: Episode 3
Post by: Jemuller on July 15, 2016, 06:56:10 PM
I know that I am not going to say anything new or something that had not been said before. Nonetheless, right now, I'm, personally, so offended that I believe there are no words in the human vocabulary to articulate appropriately what I feel about this episode.  :beast:

I am done.
Title: Re: 2016 Berserk TV series: Episode 3
Post by: Cyrus Jong on July 15, 2016, 07:39:08 PM
Well, that was better than the previous episode. But "better" does not mean good.

The "completely original story" supposedly penned by Miura did nothing for me. So the pig apostle liked the lady because she was nice to him and...what? What brought him to the level of despair needed for the Beherit to activate? What prompted him to sacrifice her? Was it because she showed fear of him? What made her fearful of him? When the fuck was she ever nice to him? Was she even the sacrifice? You can't just show a handful of images without context and expect the audience to understand what you're trying to get across. If Miura really wrote this, then he either has no idea how to write for television, he didn't give a damn about it, or the animators and/or director implemented it poorly. Considering how the most faithful bits of the anime still fare poorly, I'm inclined to believe it's the third.

I don't even know why they decided to make this particular apostle such a badass. This guy was like, the lowest of the low of apostles. Guts killed him absolutely no problem when he got his hands on the Dragon Slayer, so it's a bit eye-rolling to see him give our hero so much trouble. They really could have, should have used a more impressive beast.

Things got better after he died, if only because we got to see more direct material from the manga translated faithfully. But it was still botched. These guys have no idea how to create atmosphere or generate suspense. And because they don't know how to do any of that, nothing they do feels particularly climatic. Without emphasizing Farnese's growing terror or Guts' growing rage as he battles things that should not exist, the scene with the horse lacks the dramatic impact it had in the manga. Likewise, for the section building up to the Kushan invasion. Those pages in the manga were absolutely masterful in how they built tension, with Midland shown to be declining due to plague, the king dying cold and alone in his bed, the bells sounding off his passing to the ears of Owen, Anna, and Charlotte, the people unsure about what will happen...and one lone child noticing how the mountains are moving. It was all worked together to slowly build up to something, making the sudden appearance of the Kushan army with their war elephants in tow unexpectedly terrifying. But here...the rushed pacing, frantic cutting, and the music that suddenly starts blaring before we even see the war elephant just doesn't feel meaningful.

Frankly, even if this was 100% faithful to the source material, even if it made no cuts, this adaptation would still suck. These people know nothing about telling a story.

Other things to observe...

Title: Re: 2016 Berserk TV series: Episode 3
Post by: Aazealh on July 15, 2016, 07:41:30 PM
I had a decidedly hard time forming final thoughts on this episode, but my opinion hasn't changed from when I was watching it. I didn't like it. Many things bothered me with it, and I'll say right now that I can't believe Miura wrote the new stuff as it was shown. I'm sure he gave them pointers on what parts to recycle and came up with the Boar Apostle's alternate story... but I've been reading his work for 15 years now and this is nowhere near the quality he consistently produces. So I can't believe he spent more than an hour on this, even though the credits list "original story by Kentarou Miura" (same as for the first episode, incidentally). What this "original story" struck me as is a quickly put-together side story to introduce the core concept of apostles to the viewer. A piece of Miura-branded duct tape to hold down the mess that is this series.

But I guess the real problem with this remains the execution, from the drawing or 3D rendering to the animation, voice acting, music, sound effects or direction. It's all just terrible and it would ruin the best story in the world even if it was served on a silver platter. In fact it's exactly what it's doing. Something buttonmasher mentioned in the chat earlier was that they edit to avoid depicting things they can't animate (either due to lack of skills or money), and that worsens the already terrible direction. This is absolutely right and I already commented on it in previous episodes, but this was even more obvious here. That means even the most straightforward, simple action scene looks awkward instead of badass. Not that we didn't already know it, but there's no redemption for this series. Even if it follows the manga page by page and line by line, it'll screw it up. For those who still hope it'll get better once we're in the thick of it, I can guarantee that it won't.

Anyway, I took down notes as I watched and I don't feel like editing them down, so here they are below for whoever cares.

- Crunchyroll messed up on the translation for "elves", going for "fae" instead.
- Puck casually speaks of his past with the traveling entertainers but a new viewer probably wouldn't understand the reference.
- Big ass CLANGs as Guts hits fucking ghosts with his sword. GHOSTS.
- The specter that appears to touch Farnese's face looks so low budget.
- "Count Lansdown".
- The horse falls down on its own, no specters possessing it.
- The pack of wild dogs is now supposed to be the former huntings dogs of the count.
- Guts invites Farnese to take refuge inside the mansion, along with the horse (led by Puck) who despite falling down pretty badly is just fine and hasn't been harmed by the monstrous dogs at all, and then Guts hits the wall on the side with his hand and that makes the entrance collapse in a completely unrealistic way.
- So this was a hunting land and there's lots of deer heads stuck on the walls. To accomodate that the land around the mansion has actually been changed from a desolate rocky terrain in the manga to woods.
- We see Puck say a prayer for the dead animals, "Oh Divine Lord, show mercy." Extremely awkward translation given the relationship between elves and the Holy See. It's nonsensical.
- There's also a woman's head stuck on the wall, stuffed like the deer heads but neither Puck nor Guts realize what it is at first.
- Serpico faces the dogs. Ok, why not... He shouldn't be some calm during his first meeting with monstrous creatures, but I mean at this point...
- The dogs bursting through the mansion's doors reminded me of Resident Evil. "Stop Jill Farnese, don't open that door!"
- The fucking clangs my god why. WHY.
- Farnese's meeting with the Boar Apostle is... very strange. It's basically a completely different character, almost a charming fellow at first. Then he goes weird all of a sudden, as if remembering he's a flesh-eating monster. Ok sure. Then he gets pissed that Guts is killing the dogs because he's their guardian and they're his family. As if wanting to kill a Branded man wasn't enough.
- The apostle has an old man's voice, which is weird. I don't like it, and I don't think it fits the character.
- The apostle tells Guts he remembers him from the Eclipse but it looks like he's talking to Farnese because of the way the scene is framed. It's 100% sure a new viewer will be confused.
- The apostle's transformation is not shown, it happens silently off-screen while Guts and Farnese talk to each other, even though they're literally one meter away from the apostle.
- The apostle's 3D model looks like absolute shit, and I guess he's more of a weird dog apostle here anyway.
- Guts fights pitifully and ends up with his leg half-eaten in the mouth of the apostle. Given how bad it looks as the apostle keeps crunching on it, Guts should be a one-legged man after that.
- So far Guts has been about as non-exceptional a fighter as possible. He was immediately overwhelmed by the tree in episode 1, got captured by the H.I.C.K.s after a poor show of strength in episode 2 (not justified like it was in the manga), and here is at the mercy of the apostle in seconds after his sword gets stuck in a wooden beam...
- "Humans who oppose us are just food", says the apostle. So humans who don't oppose him are friends? And what other humans have been opposing "them" exactly? What a crock of shit.
- The apostle spends a loooong time talking about human meat and its tastes, and how it has grades... It's completely overdone, and I'm NOT talking about meat here.
- Guts only survives because Puck touches the dead girl's head and that angers the apostle who rushes to stop him and carelessly lets Guts fall in the process.
- We see like a 2 seconds flashback of the Eclipse as Puck feels Guts' emotions right after feeling a messy flashback of the apostle's past. New viewers are guaranteed to be confused, again.
- One hit and the thing is dying. We get a quick but messy explanation about the stuffed woman who was the only one nice to him. He had a beherit and presumably sacrificed her, then half-ate her, then used his inexistent expertise as a superb taxidermist to create a perfect stuffed rendition. None of it makes much sense.
- Anyway, the scene of Guts shooting arrows at the Snake Baron for information about the God Hand takes place here. It's futile and he just kills the apostle.
- Meanwhile Farnese runs away and is faced with the possessed horse, and they linger on the scene just long enough to make it awkward. Great. The voice acting is especially bad, but otherwise it's alright I guess.
- Then they play some romantic music as she gets possessed and gets on top of Guts, asking him to slice her in half. The scene is badly edited.
- Serpico has apparently been fighting all night as well (that's a very short night by the way).
- Serpico's voice is annoying. They talk and exchange a slash during the ending credits... The scene is ruined by the way it's edited. Completely different vibe from how it's done in the manga. Guts isn't turning around, etc.
- We get the beginning of episode 126 told in the cheapest way possible. Still drawings that any amateur could produce on which the camera slides painfully. After we rush through the revelations with Raban being in Wyndham instead of Owen and talking with Foss. We don't get to actually see the Falcon of Light in dreams or anything... The kid in Wyndham says "the mountain is moving" but we see elephants as if they're standing on the city's walls...
- Next episode shows that Casca still has black skin (as long as it's not in flashbacks I guess?), Guts does return to Godot's place and sees Rickert there. I guess the Beast of Darkness will be introduced in the cave.
Title: Re: 2016 Berserk TV series: Episode 3
Post by: DANGERDOOOOM on July 15, 2016, 08:01:39 PM
The horse rape scene was laughable. The animation was so scattered and complete garbage. I'm starting to think i prefer the half CGI half drawn technique more. Where did they find these animators? In a kindergarten class? :mozgus:
Title: Re: 2016 Berserk TV series: Episode 3
Post by: jackson_hurley on July 15, 2016, 08:20:51 PM
Still drawings that any amateur could produce on which the camera slides painfully.

It looks like they were trying to "imitate" or give some kind of homage to the old '97 anime.

I did not mind that much the background story for the apostle. The thing that bugged me more was the fight. (among a lot of other things of course)

But I still enjoyed it while at work.

As for Miura's involvement I'd say he sent them some kind of a script but they interpreted it in an awful way. Like you said, no way Miura wrote something like that.
Title: Re: 2016 Berserk TV series: Episode 3
Post by: Walter on July 15, 2016, 08:34:34 PM
I had a suspicion that I just verified.

Time on screen that Guts' appendage is in an apostle's mouth.

Berserk Golden Age Arc - Descent: Volkov: 1 minute 45 seconds. (1:24:04-1:25:49)

Berserk (2016) - Episode 3: Boar/Dog Apostle: 2 minutes 8 seconds. (10:04-12:12)

Yep.

Also I just noticed, as Guts is struggling to kill the apostle, Puck says "Do it like usual!" Which struck me as odd. He's only seen Guts fight skeletons and a tree so far, right? Are they getting their changes confused? So far he's been floored three times in three episodes: the possessed tree, the Holy Iron Chain Knights, and the apostle. Huh... Yeah, this isn't really the Guts that I know.
Title: Re: 2016 Berserk TV series: Episode 3
Post by: Aazealh on July 15, 2016, 08:39:51 PM
Beherit is barely hinted at, and the flashing images that change every milisecond didnt really help either. It way too fast for what they were trying to accomplish ( to explain it to new fans )

Indeed. A new viewer will now know that apostles exist, but still not quite get what they are or anything else about them. I guess this may be intentional, and they might reveal more as the show goes on (with clumsy flashbacks and whatnot). Anyway, I honestly have to say I'm completely baffled by their decision to focus on adapting the chapters of the Binding Chain and the Birth Festival. I just don't understand why they didn't start with the Black Swordsman arc or even the chapter of the Lost Children. Those are much more straightforward stories and would have been a lot easier to adapt. It's as mind-numblingly stupid as when Studio 4°C thought they could adapt the entire Golden Age arc into a single feature film.

I had a suspicion that I just verified.

Time on screen that Guts' appendage is in an apostle's mouth.

Berserk Golden Age Arc - Descent: Volkov: 1 minute 45 seconds. (1:24:04-1:25:49)

Berserk (2016) - Episode 3: Boar/Dog Apostle: 2 minutes 8 seconds. (10:04-12:12)

Yep, I couldn't help but cringe at this. An apostle crushing your leg in its mouth like that = you don't have a leg. And Guts just takes it, and then later just gets up like it's nothing. But I guess this is Bizarro Berserk anyway so that's just how it is in that world.

Also I just noticed, as Guts is struggling to kill the apostle, Puck says "Do it like usual!" Which struck me as odd. He's only seen Guts fight skeletons and a tree so far, right? Are they getting their changes confused? So far he's been floored three times in three episodes: the possessed tree, the Holy Iron Chain Knights, and the apostle. Huh... Yeah, this isn't really the Guts that I know.

Oh yeah, great catch. I'm so used to them being together that I didn't even notice, but it makes absolutely no sense in the context of this show. Ugh.
Title: Re: 2016 Berserk TV series: Episode 3
Post by: Goosper on July 15, 2016, 08:51:37 PM
Upon rewatch, I take back anything positive I said about this episode.
Title: Re: 2016 Berserk TV series: Episode 3
Post by: Tabris on July 15, 2016, 09:10:33 PM
I really had a hard time enjoying this episode. It just feels like such an absolute mess. Everything from the animation, to the sound design, to the dialogue and presentation. So many things about it are cringe worthy. It feels like somebodies fanfiction that was animated and edited at home for fun. Not at all something professional. It's embarrassing and depressing.

The essence of Berserk simply isn't there. The Guts from the manga is so utterly far removed in this series. It's a mashed together and rushed clusterfuck.

As for Miura's story, I feel like he wrote something really solid and they just did whatever the hell they felt 'best' with it. But it just feels so damn lifeless.

I don't feel as though I'm on the hatetrain bandwagon for this series. This is just how I genuinely felt after watching this episode. It's very disheartening as a huge fan.
Title: Re: 2016 Berserk TV series: Episode 3
Post by: Aazealh on July 15, 2016, 09:17:59 PM
I don't feel as though I'm on the hatetrain bandwagon for this series. This is just how I genuinely felt after watching this episode. It's very disheartening as a huge fan.

If there has to be a train I think we can all agree it's the Train of Sorrow, traveling on the Rails of Betrayal and taking us to Depression Station, last stop of Line D for Disappointment.
Title: Re: 2016 Berserk TV series: Episode 3
Post by: Tabris on July 15, 2016, 09:24:31 PM
If there has to be a train I think we can all agree it's the Train of Sorrow, traveling on the Rails of Betrayal and taking us to Depression Station, last stop of Line D for Disappointment.

Utter truth and actually made me laugh. This quote will be be what I use to describe how I feel about the series to anyone I know that's a fan. A perfect description sadly.

Perhaps someday in a beautiful far off future, long after the world is done blowing itself up we may have the antithesis of this. Doubtful though.
Title: Re: 2016 Berserk TV series: Episode 3
Post by: PENumber2 on July 15, 2016, 09:39:41 PM
Last episode I joked and feared we might get to see if the animators can draw the reproductive parts of a horse... That whole episode .... and in such vivid detail!

This was the worst kind of filler episode. Did we need two minutes of that pig-man apostle saying the word "meat" "meat" "meat" over and over again. It would have been better if they just played the credits during that scene instead of during the first brief encounter Guts and Serpico.

Title: Re: 2016 Berserk TV series: Episode 3
Post by: Tama on July 15, 2016, 09:46:41 PM
This is really sad to hear. I know that the 1997 anime series has it's flaws, but one thing that I will always give it credit for is that for me, it did capture the essence of Berserk. I felt like a lot of subtle character expressions, dialogue and pivotal scenes are there, and while the animation isn't very fancy or the filler being questionable, it made me want to become a Berserk fan and purchase the manga and read the original story. If I was first introduced to the series with these episodes I feel like it wouldn't have half the impact the original 25 episodes had. I feel at this point that the movies did a better job in quality, scope and even music which is saying something; at least we don't have to hear the frying pan sound with those.

Title: Re: 2016 Berserk TV series: Episode 3
Post by: Hanma_Baki on July 15, 2016, 10:33:10 PM
^Yeah compared to this thing the movies are actually quite enjoyable and it makes the 97 Anime look like a fuckin masterpiece. It's weird, I kinda feel like going back to both of them right now, but I guess that's just the survivalist part of the mind desperately trying to cling to ANYTHING positive at this point.
Title: Re: 2016 Berserk TV series: Episode 3
Post by: Rhombaad on July 15, 2016, 10:50:29 PM
After reading this and the Episode 2 thread, I'm even more glad that I gave up after the first episode.
Title: Re: 2016 Berserk TV series: Episode 3
Post by: residentgrigo on July 15, 2016, 11:17:04 PM
My opinion stands but i just saw the 4,8 IGN review. I have NO time in my life for their awfully anime coverage (their anime podcast is the one i am not subscribed too) but you know that you are in deep trouble of the "yay anime" fan-girl, who previously liked the show, is starting to doubt it. This is shocking, as the only thing i ask of the anime by now is to advertise the manga :schnoz: .
http://www.ign.com/articles/2016/07/15/berserk-episode-3-night-of-miracles-review
Title: Re: 2016 Berserk TV series: Episode 3
Post by: DANGERDOOOOM on July 16, 2016, 12:27:47 AM
It would have been better if they just played the credits during that scene instead of during the first brief encounter Guts and Serpico.

You can see where they were struggling to keep all this information crammed in a single 20min episode. The credits rolling over that whole scene with Guts and Serpico? Very distracting, though the scene in general was close to a panel-by-panel shot from the manga, which is nice I guess.

One of the few redeeming feature I saw in this episode was at the very end with King's death and their introduction to the Kushan invasion. But holy crap it was so fast paced. This show is definitely not for people new to the series.

My two main concerns for the next episode is if we will get to see Zodd's vision of the White Hawk, and if we will be introduced to the Beast of Darkness when Guts is resting in the cave by Godo's. I don't have any high hopes, but I'm crossing my fingers .
Title: Re: 2016 Berserk TV series: Episode 3
Post by: TripleJMaster3 on July 16, 2016, 12:49:31 AM
Wow what tortue this whole process has been. Ill keep watching just to see if the train wreck can get any worse. Even knowing it would suck before hand could not prepare us for this. What bugs me the most is thay you literally cant see any fighting. There is no impact. Everytime they get ready to show impact the angle changes and we get a loud clang as many have already described. Farnese always has the same stupid look on her face. Guts has expression but it seems rebotic at times. Thank god Ive read the story or I would be clueless. One postive? The dings in guts sword. And not that it was impressively animated just like that detail. Also farnese rage at the end when she commands  :serpico: to kill guts is strange because earlier it seems like she is beginning to understand him. My only hope is that the fight scenes become more visible so the next eps can be slightly entertaining.
Title: Re: 2016 Berserk TV series: Episode 3
Post by: Eluvei on July 16, 2016, 12:51:20 AM
The only time in this episode where they at least tried to actually create 2D animation with character movement is in the scene where Farnese is running from the horse. In the manga it appears that she only falls on her back and it immediately hops on top of her, but of course in this show we get a full (nearly incomprehensible and choppy) sequence of her bouncy 2D tits running away from it. Guess they figured if one scene deserved more frames of animation, it was the one where they turn attempted rape into fanservice.

Meanwhile, we get what's basically a slideshow at the end of the episode, and Guts looks like Beavis when they try to give his 3D model any expression.

(http://i.imgur.com/NkgsbnO.png)
Title: Re: 2016 Berserk TV series: Episode 3
Post by: Cyrus Jong on July 16, 2016, 01:22:03 AM
My opinion stands but i just saw the 4,8 IGN review. I have NO time in my life for their awfully anime coverage (their anime podcast is the one i am not subscribed too) but you know that you are in deep trouble of the "yay anime" fan-girl, who previously liked the show, is starting to doubt it. This is shocking, as the only thing i ask of the anime by now is to advertise the manga :schnoz: .
http://www.ign.com/articles/2016/07/15/berserk-episode-3-night-of-miracles-review
Methinks that the stellar score they gave the first episode was driven entirely by excitement and anticipation. Now that it's died down and the hype glasses are off, even IGN has to see the show for what it truly is.
Title: Re: 2016 Berserk TV series: Episode 3
Post by: Sikorsky87 on July 16, 2016, 02:51:00 AM
Somebody alert the #freethenipple movement to this travesty.  :rickert:
Title: Re: 2016 Berserk TV series: Episode 3
Post by: Gamehowitzer on July 16, 2016, 03:17:23 AM
Personally, I think this episode did a good job of pulling the series together. I was quite pleased they managed to keep rape horse and guts stopping short of killing :farnese:. Tbh if they cut rape horse idk how they'd make farnese join up with him later. I was pleased with the sword draw with guts and  :serpico: as well. It introduced the rivalry they have and sets them up for the fight in the underground later on. As for the apostle, i think it did a good job introducing them. It showed that the apostles were twisted individuals who became monsters for one and while i dont think that the fight was that great (guts had his leg caught in his mouth for too long and the way they cut to puck touching the lady and him freaking out didnt sit right with me) none of the fights have been great so far. and i also don't think in the manga guts ever said that his goal was to kill every last apostle (but taking it that this episode is written by miura i guess it is now) and it introduced the godhands (however poorly it may have been) and set up many later plot points. im excited  :casca: will show up next episode and really hope they don't make her sound retarded. You know because while her mind may be broken, she does make noises. (and OMG  :casca: isnt white) Im excited for the duel on the sword hill.  :zodd: Personally i wont say shit about the animation. everyone has been beating that dead horse since before the anime even aired. Oh and i cant even listen to the music its so jumbled up. like i legit cant hear it.
Title: Re: 2016 Berserk TV series: Episode 3
Post by: Rupert Sinclair on July 16, 2016, 05:04:28 AM
I was quite pleased they managed to keep rape horse

Please don't say "rape horse".  That is so fucking stupid.
Title: Re: 2016 Berserk TV series: Episode 3
Post by: Imperator Hanseatic on July 16, 2016, 05:43:47 AM
A bit late on the forum posting, but I've had a bit of a day, so I'll keep it brief.

As I said earlier in the Discord, my opinion is that so far it's the best of the crap we've been given. However, that's not to say I liked it. I appreciate the intentions behind a lot of the choices, but the execution makes it fall flat for the most part. My biggest complaint (that isn't a redundant carry-over from previous episodes such as visuals or sound) is that the time spent on meat talk could've been better used to expand on the stuff we got at the end. A lot of people were bugged by the credits but I had no trouble with it personally, I guess that's just me. Anyway, next week is the last I'll be contributing to any timely discussion of the anime from the perspective of an active viewer. I'd rather save the subscription fee to instead purchase more volumes of the manga.

EDIT: Also, I hastily voted the second best option on the poll after initial viewing before it had time to be truly processed, and would like to express for the record that I'd downgrade to the third option if I could.
Title: Re: 2016 Berserk TV series: Episode 3
Post by: Hypnos on July 16, 2016, 06:36:21 AM
It's bad and I hated everything about it except the new scenario. If anything, it showed that they could've changed the story without making it stupid in episode 1 and 2.

I'm not even gonna bother with the lack of details when it comes to EVERYTHING because it seems like this is where the anime is heading, but the problem isn't even in that alone; things happen for the sake of happening a lot in this and thus you often see little to no logic behind them that they become meaningless.

This anime does not represent Berserk at all for me.
Title: Re: 2016 Berserk TV series: Episode 3
Post by: DirectDK on July 16, 2016, 06:45:03 AM
I was really excited about episode 3 because the producer said Miura wrote it top to bottom... but I'm with most of you here on this one... I cannot believe Miura wrote this.  I just can't.  Maybe the over extended monologue on meat meat meat would work across several panels of a manga, but in anime form it definitely dragged on for too long.  And apart from that, I really felt like this ep didn't leave any moments to take a breath and absorb what was happening.  Or more so, it didn't allow the characters (namely Farnese) to absorb what was happening.  So on the story telling and pacing aspect of this episode, I was disappointed.

Also... I didn't want the sword clang to bother me (I've been able to tolerate it in eps 1 and 2)... but when it cut through the ghosts and still clanged... it pissed me off.  It makes no logical sense.  Yes, it didn't make much logical sense when it cut through Colette in ep 1, but here in ep 3, it's just undeniably ridiculous.

The lack of seeing Guts and Puck relationship build organically is also starting to weigh heavy on me.  It didn't feel right to me this time.

As for any parts that I did like about the episode... I actually liked the scene between Guts, Farnese, and Serpico.  Pretty annoyed it was covered up by the credits (if they were short on running time they should have cut part of the meat monologue), but I just really enjoyed seeing those 3 characters banter with each other.  Also, this episode I didn't think about the music at all, which is a good thing.  Maybe I got used to hearing the music cues, but I felt the music didn't overpower or distract from any scene this time around.  I also enjoyed the hounds.  I thought they looked cool (cgi wise) and were pretty terrifying.

But all in all, this was my least favorite ep so far, while ep 2 was the best.  But ep 4 from the preview looks hopeful, and I'm glad to see that Casca is dark-skinned again.  Really hope things improve~
Title: Re: 2016 Berserk TV series: Episode 3
Post by: Imperator Hanseatic on July 16, 2016, 07:01:35 AM
Found this on Reddit http://imgur.com/Ocno6Zm
Title: Re: 2016 Berserk TV series: Episode 3
Post by: wriggles on July 16, 2016, 07:16:25 AM
I called it back in january when the teaser was released... I don't know who's responsible for the youtube poop quality ear rape sound effects, but somehow they keep getting paid to ruin my favorite franchises.

Aw hellll no, they're using the same sound effects as that garbage in Arslan Senki. Everything from sword swinging to horseback riding is going to sound like someone is smashing the microphone against a cement brick. Literally the worst sound effects artist i've ever heard in my life. He single-handedly ruined Arslan Senki for me.
Title: Re: 2016 Berserk TV series: Episode 3
Post by: Aazealh on July 16, 2016, 08:24:22 AM
I called it back in january when the teaser was released...

You undeniably did and I commend you for that, but I sure as hell wish you had been wrong.
Title: Re: 2016 Berserk TV series: Episode 3
Post by: residentgrigo on July 16, 2016, 12:24:38 PM
While we are on sound effects: Do we have an audio engineer in the house? What exactly happened here? I watch a LOT of tv and i rarely criticize the audio side of it. 
Having average and appropriate sounding effects and knowing how to use generic + atmosphere appropriate music canīt be a backbreaking endeavor. Even some of the VA decisions are weird, as the podcast noted. I certainly know that all of that wouldnīt be crazy expensive. I even know talented hobby musicians in RL.
PS: Wriggles, stick to the (2nd) Arslan Senki manga, more things are off, but i am fine with that (rushed) adaptations.
Title: Re: 2016 Berserk TV series: Episode 3
Post by: ryOtoha on July 16, 2016, 03:41:50 PM
Can't wait for a making-of though. I want a glimpse inside this inconsistent and amateurish production.
Title: Re: 2016 Berserk TV series: Episode 3
Post by: hearTes on July 16, 2016, 05:34:48 PM

I called it back in january when the teaser was released... I don't know who's responsible for the youtube poop quality ear rape sound effects, but somehow they keep getting paid to ruin my favorite franchises.

You undeniably did and I commend you for that, but I sure as hell wish you had been wrong.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PqnkaPQEp5w&feature=youtu.be
Title: Re: 2016 Berserk TV series: Episode 3
Post by: Defengar on July 16, 2016, 05:42:09 PM
Can't wait for a making-of though. I want a glimpse inside this inconsistent and amateurish production.

I'm sure there will be a lot of vibes similar to the ones in the Star Wars: Episode I making of documentaries.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KseqzmcqQBQ&ab_channel=Paahtis
Title: Re: 2016 Berserk TV series: Episode 3
Post by: Lawliet on July 16, 2016, 07:15:15 PM
Honestly, this anime seems to me as if it's a fan-made project rather than an adaptation. I had a few points to make, but some of you guys have already beaten me to it.

I haven't put too much thought into the episode (not worth it), but could someone explain to me why they didn't simply adapt the actual scene from the manga instead of this whole haunted house business?

Still awaiting the full version of Susumu Hirasawa's new song.  :puck:
Title: Re: 2016 Berserk TV series: Episode 3
Post by: Cyrus Jong on July 16, 2016, 07:36:46 PM
Honestly, this anime seems to me as if it's a fan-made project rather than an adaptation. I had a few points to make, but some of you guys have already beaten me to it.

I haven't put too much thought into the episode (not worth it), but could someone explain to me why they didn't simply adapt the actual scene from the manga instead of this whole haunted house business?
I think the idea was to introduce the concept of apostles and Beherits to anyone in the audience who was unfamiliar with Berserk. And since they chose to skip the Snake Baron, the Count, and Rosine so they move right along to the Birth Ceremony chapter, they decided that inserting an Apostle fight into the middle of Binding Chains was the most efficient compromise. Emphasis on "I think," because they did a really poor job of it what with how sloppily the apostle's backstory came out.
Title: Re: 2016 Berserk TV series: Episode 3
Post by: Lawliet on July 16, 2016, 07:42:29 PM
I think the idea was to introduce the concept of apostles and Beherits to anyone in the audience who was unfamiliar with Berserk. And since they chose to skip the Snake Baron, the Count, and Rosine so they move right along to the Birth Ceremony chapter, they decided that inserting an Apostle fight into the middle of Binding Chains was the most efficient compromise. Emphasis on "I think," because they did a really poor job of it what with how sloppily the apostle's backstory came out.

If that's the case then, as you said, they did a poor job of it. In fact, if I didn't already know how apostles and Beherits work I probably wouldn't have figured it out from what they have shown in this episode.

Before the anime was released I was hopeful that it would make new viewers decide to check out the manga. At this rate, however, I'm thinking it may do the opposite. I'd hate to think how I would have reacted had this been my introduction to Berserk. :magni:
Title: Re: 2016 Berserk TV series: Episode 3
Post by: Mogen on July 17, 2016, 01:56:31 AM
Ok I just finished watching eps 3 and I hate to say it ,because I'm trying to stay positive for the future, but half of me hates it the other have is like hey its Berserk, I know I wont say any thing new here but why in the "PUCK" :puck: is it that they have to keep going back in forth with the animation, the 3dish animation looks like shit half the time and its only highlighted by the fact that when the do a 'flash back" or just a horse rape scene they jump back and forth. If the animation was good I could for give a lot, even if it was stylized like the opening, but no its like here is some decent animation then they slap you in the face with 3d shit  :rickert: just pick one style when it jumps like that it just pulls me out of the action and makes the pacing feel like shit. :mozgus:
Title: Re: 2016 Berserk TV series: Episode 3
Post by: Roderick on July 17, 2016, 08:18:28 AM
The idea of using that hideous houndsman apostle as a stand-in for the Snail Count was a decent one.  Sure, I'd have preferred if they just did those volumes instead of this compromise, but it could have been done well.

But this was just bad.  Yes, we do get some idea on what an apostle is and that guts is seeking them (takes 3 episode to get to that point vs. the first 3 pages in Vol 1) but the essence of the Beherit and how it is used to make sacrifices is completely up in the air and an abstract mystery here.   Instead, we get the monster going on and on about meat and how different humans taste.

It does not help that the supposed sacrifice, the lady who is nice to the houndsman, is killed yet somehow has her shoulderline up perfectly preserved when we know for damn certain that sacrifices rarely have such large "scraps" left over let alone one that can be made into a trophy.  And to mount her, one would assume the hald at lead the entire top half of her body to work with

Also regarding Guts' crushed leg, even that could have been excused if they used that as an opportunity to introduce Puck's healing powers, but this series still hasn't established he can do that.  Which is just as well because this series is horrible in depicting serious injury which tends to disappear in the next few sequences with no visible weakness.  Almost getting Wile E Coyote at this point

I actually found the traditional animation to be an improvement in some respect, but the technical limitations are still very present.

On a bit of a bright side, this series isn't quite as bowdlerized as I suspected.  That horse rape sequence was still present as was the Farnese possession.  I was expecting the entire goat idol orgy to be cut out along with the prostitutes, but it looks like they may stay faithful to their presence after all.

Oh, and can I say that this has to be the most boring adaptation of Guts in any of the series.  He's voiced like a boring veteran samurai cliche and mostly acts like it.  It was bad during Episode one where he should have been at the edge of madness, and in this episode he should have taken almost ecstatic joy in killing the apostle here, especially since it (supposedly) was at the Eclipse and seriously wounded him.  But no, he's just a bland stoic badass wannabe. 

He also doesn't seem that disappointed that the apostle here couldn't help him, given in this patchwork retelling, he should still believe that he can locate and kill Femto as he did in Vol 3.

Lastly, I agree that Farnese was out of character in these new portions.  She should have demanded that the trollish houndsman untie her at once or face the wrath of the Holy See.  Instead she's already humbled despite escaping Guts.
Title: Re: 2016 Berserk TV series: Episode 3
Post by: Walter on July 17, 2016, 12:09:43 PM
Compare the apostle fight in this ep to this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1txWrp1N46I
Title: Re: 2016 Berserk TV series: Episode 3
Post by: Feeblecursedone on July 17, 2016, 01:21:44 PM
97's anime had better sound effects, at least slicing through snake baron sounds like slicing, and the blood sizzling out as well.
Title: Re: 2016 Berserk TV series: Episode 3
Post by: Earthlingzing on July 17, 2016, 01:34:28 PM
Compare the apostle fight in this ep to this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1txWrp1N46I
This is the first time I'm watching it, wow thats some excellent directing while working with a low budget as well.
Title: Re: 2016 Berserk TV series: Episode 3
Post by: Roderick on July 17, 2016, 03:21:14 PM
Even ignoring the DS actually sounding like it is penetrating flesh instead of a parry sound effect, really one of the few instances where the CLAAAANG wound have been appropriate, that clip just shows that the technical and animation crew had some idea in what they were doing.

Also let's not go into Guts apparently showing mercy on an apostle by willfully giving it a "clean death" simply by admitting it didn't know how to reach the God Hand.  Doesn't help that the episode shies away from Guts' brief arrow torture session to the point that I didn't even notice it until watching it a second time.

As is, it was a pretty lame apostle fight especially given that Guts was in ass-kicking mode up to that point.  Why he's unable to blast him with his cannon is a bit of a mystery as well.  (no ammo?)
Title: Re: 2016 Berserk TV series: Episode 3
Post by: Delta Phi on July 18, 2016, 10:42:21 PM
Finally watched the episode; not much to add. I thought this episode was really boring, and I agree that Miura's involvement seems highly questionable. The one thing I really want to say is I hated the quick-draw scene. That was the moment in the manga where I first decided Serpico was going to be a guy to watch out for. The intensity just wasn't there. And maybe that's how it's supposed to be and my experience was unique. It just didn't feel right to me. And having the credits rolling over the scene was horrible and dismissive. I hope the duel on the cliff side is better executed.
Title: Re: 2016 Berserk TV series: Episode 3
Post by: N7Paladin on July 18, 2016, 11:58:40 PM
I hope the duel on the cliff side is better executed.


At this point, I'm just hoping that they include the duel on the cliff side. Wouldn't be surprised if that was another scene they omit from this anime.  :sad:
Title: Re: 2016 Berserk TV series: Episode 3
Post by: Walter on July 19, 2016, 12:16:37 PM
At this point, I'm just hoping that they include the duel on the cliff side. Wouldn't be surprised if that was another scene they omit from this anime.  :sad:

Or with credits laid on top of it  :serpico:
Title: Re: 2016 Berserk TV series: Episode 3
Post by: xfool on July 19, 2016, 02:30:58 PM
If that's the case then, as you said, they did a poor job of it. In fact, if I didn't already know how apostles and Beherits work I probably wouldn't have figured it out from what they have shown in this episode.

Before the anime was released I was hopeful that it would make new viewers decide to check out the manga. At this rate, however, I'm thinking it may do the opposite. I'd hate to think how I would have reacted had this been my introduction to Berserk. :magni:

I believe anyone interested would have already check out the manga after the '97 anime series or the movie trilogy.
Title: Re: 2016 Berserk TV series: Episode 3
Post by: Walter on July 19, 2016, 02:36:21 PM
I believe anyone interested would have already check out the manga after the '97 anime series or the movie trilogy.

While I don't necessarily disagree, refreshing it with a new production does get its name out there in a bigger way than if it simply rests in the back catalogs. The sheer effort of marketing this thing makes Berserk's name more widespread.
Title: Re: 2016 Berserk TV series: Episode 3
Post by: Aazealh on July 19, 2016, 02:37:04 PM
I believe anyone interested would have already check out the manga after the '97 anime series or the movie trilogy.

People are born all the time, and then they grow up. 1997 was a long time ago.
Title: Re: 2016 Berserk TV series: Episode 3
Post by: xfool on July 19, 2016, 02:48:50 PM
People are born all the time, and then they grow up. 1997 was a long time ago.

well theres the Berserk movies, I felt that most of the viewers watching this series would have seen the trilogy, if not chances are they wont be watching it. And if anyone is really new to Berserk , he  would have done some googling and find out about the movies preceding the series and watch them first.
Title: Re: 2016 Berserk TV series: Episode 3
Post by: Aazealh on July 19, 2016, 02:55:20 PM
well theres the Berserk movies, I felt that most of the viewers watching this series would have seen the trilogy, if not chances are they wont be watching it. And if anyone is really new to Berserk , he  would have done some googling and find out about the movies preceding the series and watch them first.

The movies were four years ago already, they didn't air the same way, didn't feature the same part of the story, and people couldn't have done a search about Berserk if they didn't know it existed. That's what this series does, as Walter pointed out: it puts Berserk's name out there.
Title: Re: 2016 Berserk TV series: Episode 3
Post by: xfool on July 20, 2016, 05:52:16 AM
The movies were four years ago already, they didn't air the same way, didn't feature the same part of the story, and people couldn't have done a search about Berserk if they didn't know it existed. That's what this series does, as Walter pointed out: it puts Berserk's name out there.

My point is if they have any interest to know more about Berserk after watching this anime they will want to find out more,I felt that  this series and the older one are basically 'advertisment' for its source materials(Berserk manga). The quality doesnt really matter much, for example Attack on Titan, its an awesome anime but it didnt make me want to find out more and read its manga simply because I wasnt that interested in it. Another example is Overlord, the anime isnt great but I really like it ,so I search onilne find out more and read the light novels which the anime was adpated.
Title: Re: 2016 Berserk TV series: Episode 3
Post by: IcePuck on July 23, 2016, 04:01:38 PM
The one thing I really want to say is I hated the quick-draw scene. That was the moment in the manga where I first decided Serpico was going to be a guy to watch out for. The intensity just wasn't there. And maybe that's how it's supposed to be and my experience was unique. It just didn't feel right to me. And having the credits rolling over the scene was horrible and dismissive. I hope the duel on the cliff side is better executed.
That was a really weird decision. It wasn't even the end of the episode. :ganishka: I didn't mind the way they depicted Serpico, though - it wasn't as intense, but his personality was close to how he was introduced in the manga, seemingly jovial and carefree.

All in all, I enjoyed parts of this episode. More than the first two, anyway. After it first went off the rails (They're heading for a mansion? Are they completely changing Farnese's backstory now...?) , I tried my best to stop thinking about the manga. On its own, the boar dog apostle's backstory is actually really cool. It's too bad the action is constantly getting dragged down by the awful animation, inappropriate sound effects, and the way the fight plays out is just... weird.

But regardless, onto the important matters: Let me be the first to fully endorse Farnese's nipple-free boobs! It's only fair, as Miura's never drawn mannipples in the manga.  :troll:
Title: Re: 2016 Berserk TV series: Episode 3
Post by: Gamehowitzer on July 29, 2016, 05:42:22 PM
Please don't say "rape horse".  That is so fucking stupid.
Ok want to tell us what to call it then? Everyone pretty much calls it rape horse. If you dont like it cmon give us a better name.
Title: Re: 2016 Berserk TV series: Episode 3
Post by: Walter on July 29, 2016, 05:50:03 PM
Ok want to tell us what to call it then? Everyone pretty much calls it rape horse. If you dont like it cmon give us a better name.

Why does it need a name, exactly...? And who are these people clamoring for a name? It was just a possessed horse in a scene that lasts about 4 pages in Volume 17. And it doesn't rape anyone. It threatens to rape Farnese.
Title: Re: 2016 Berserk TV series: Episode 3
Post by: Eluvei on July 29, 2016, 06:36:35 PM
And it doesn't rape anyone. It threatens to rape Farnese.

Even if it did, that name tries to make light of rape, to turn it into something humorous for the "epic lolz", so whoever uses it is being insensitive to say the least, and has some growing up to do. I mean if "everyone" really does call it that, I guess the Musou teaser was aimed at the right crowd after all.
Title: Re: 2016 Berserk TV series: Episode 3
Post by: Gamehowitzer on July 29, 2016, 07:29:09 PM
Even if it did, that name tries to make light of rape, to turn it into something humorous for the "epic lolz", so whoever uses it is being insensitive to say the least, and has some growing up to do. I mean if "everyone" really does call it that, I guess the Musou teaser was aimed at the right crowd after all.
Look all i meant was rape horse is rape horse. Thats what the scene is referred to as often as ive seen it talked about thats all. Now lets not get into all of the sensitive topics. Im sure no one wants that.
Title: Re: 2016 Berserk TV series: Episode 3
Post by: Rupert Sinclair on July 29, 2016, 07:46:27 PM
Look all i meant was rape horse is rape horse. Thats what the scene is referred to as often as ive seen it talked about thats all. Now lets not get into all of the sensitive topics. Im sure no one wants that.

As it's been said already, you could just say "that possessed horse" or even just "the horse".  You're just perpetuating a stupid meme.  People that say "rape horse" are the same people that make these stupid boat and idolmaster jokes.  They're assholes.
Title: Re: 2016 Berserk TV series: Episode 3
Post by: Kaladin on July 29, 2016, 08:04:49 PM
You're just perpetuating a stupid meme.  People that say "rape horse" are the same people that make these stupid boat and idolmaster jokes.  They're assholes.

Precisely. I hate the "boat" memes the most, they're stupid for obvious reasons, and ITS NOT a BOAT, its a big fucking ship. ship ≠ boat. just stupid bandwagons
Title: Re: 2016 Berserk TV series: Episode 3
Post by: Aazealh on July 29, 2016, 08:19:23 PM
Look all i meant was rape horse is rape horse. Thats what the scene is referred to as often as ive seen it talked about thats all.

All that means is you've read a bunch of stupid posts. I've got nothing against you personally, but anyone using that name is an idiot, and that's pretty much the final word on the matter.
Title: Re: 2016 Berserk TV series: Episode 3
Post by: Gamehowitzer on July 30, 2016, 01:46:08 AM
All that means is you've read a bunch of stupid posts. I've got nothing against you personally, but anyone using that name is an idiot, and that's pretty much the final word on the matter.
Fair enough. I've never really had anyone else to talk about berserk to before i joined here so forgive me for not knowing the term rape horse was disliked generally. Thanks.
Title: Re: 2016 Berserk TV series: Episode 3
Post by: Hanma_Baki on July 30, 2016, 10:20:10 AM
It's also pretty funny how those people only think it's cool, as opposed to the experiences of Guts and Casca, just because it was a failed attempted rape, in that way it's got just the right amount of ("awesome!") adult subject but with a happy ending, kids will eat that shit up right away, and then of course emphasize it to oblivion when referring to Berserk. I even saw one reviewer on youtube that said he would drop the show if they didn't include his ever so precious "rape horse" ...uugh! 

Point is, Berserk already have a pretty awkward reputation about rape (thanks to who, I wonder?) and it's just so unnecessary to contribute to all that bullshit.

I for one feel very fortunate to have found this forum, cause it's the only place/people I know with a mature approach to Berserk. Its kind of a relieve coming here sometimes  :casca:
Title: Re: 2016 Berserk TV series: Episode 3
Post by: Mammon on July 30, 2016, 07:32:47 PM
I for one feel very fortunate to have found this forum, cause it's the only place/people I know with a mature approach to Berserk. Its kind of a relieve coming here sometimes  :casca:
This, I googled what Rupert Sinclair was referencing in his post (I'm not familiar with the rest of the internet Berserk community since I've been lurking here for about, 7 years, maybe more? And never needed anything else to analyze this manga) and found some random anime forums talking about the new series, and damn that was  :mozgus: to read.

It felt like a SkullKnight Bizarro World.
Threads that are simply terrible/full of insults and "rapey horse FTW topkek/kasska totally asked for it tho gattssu became a cuck after getting blacked by donnovane lolol epic may-may dude", threads where hordes of new fans were correcting a couple of legit fans who were actually right about the topic they were discussing for a whole thread; etc etc...

This forum (Skullknight) is so informative and contains so much fascinating comments, explanations, theories... a real goldmine.
So I can understand why the staff & regulars have a low threshold for patience with certain new members.

Which is also why from my POW, new members like Gamehowitzer shouldn't take it personally if people correct them in a firm (but fair) way, it's all for the greater good, not to randomly trash them.
But of course, ideally, new members should lurk for a while to "get" the forum's vibe before making threads, but if they have the right attitude when getting corrected like ITT, it's a good sign.

Sorry for the off-topic rant, but I didn't even know such "meme" and type of "fans" existed before today, and... damn.  :rickert:
Title: Re: 2016 Berserk TV series: Episode 3
Post by: Gamehowitzer on August 06, 2016, 12:51:20 PM
Hey i feel embarrassed for it ok.... lets try not to bring it up again.... all hail SK.net the best forum for berserk fans.