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Title: 2016 Berserk TV series: Episode 4
Post by: Aazealh on July 22, 2016, 01:37:52 PM
This is the official discussion thread for the fourth episode of the 2016 TV series. If anyone still cares about this, they're free to post their thoughts, impressions and reviews.
Title: Re: 2016 Berserk TV series: Episode 4
Post by: jackson_hurley on July 22, 2016, 01:57:54 PM
So far I consider this episode the best one. The pacing was alright and we got some nice scene from the manga. The flashback were well place in my opinion considering what we saw so far. I'm really curious to see the next one.

Ps: I left my opinion on the animation out because well we know we're stuck with this one so it's pointless to mention it every episode.  :guts:
Title: Re: 2016 Berserk TV series: Episode 4
Post by: Walter on July 22, 2016, 02:08:43 PM
(http://www.skullknight.net/images/apostle-what.png)

This aside, a decent episode, if a little boring despite this powerful section of the manga.

Godot's portrayal was what bugged me the most in this episode. Wrong personality. He's not a stereotypical old guy. He's a gruff, no-nonsense tough guy. But his voice actor, along with the neutered delivery of his speech, completely missed the unique edge to his personality.

The cave scene was the closest this anime has come to being decent, but it was still a choppy mess, with no time afforded for emotional resonance (or clarity). Props to them for including the  Beast (with Guts' voice actor), but that along with the Child, and the various Falcon flashbacks, I cannot imagine new viewers being able to follow any of this.

While watching, realizing how closely they're sticking to the manga, I actually wonder if that was a deal breaker for some studios, and how they landed these guys. If they wanted a STRICT interpretation, without much creative control being given to the studio, perhaps that's a reason we got these amateurs.
Title: Re: 2016 Berserk TV series: Episode 4
Post by: Earthlingzing on July 22, 2016, 02:37:53 PM
Are they introducing Isidro again with the Bakiraka? And does anyone else think that Puck's voice is really weird?

I found it kind of funny how Guts' voice actor voiced the beast without any sound filters thrown in, I normally don't like that kind of thing but it felt strange seeing him talk to himself. I liked how they toned down the Mozgus stuff, overall this was a pretty good episode.
Title: Re: 2016 Berserk TV series: Episode 4
Post by: Androyd on July 22, 2016, 02:46:55 PM
Every episode I find myself wondering if a new viewer, someone unfamiliar with Berserk in any medium, can follow this story. It feels nonsensical. Like Rickert's reaction to Puck... just copied the manga scene but without the back story, it has to come across as strange.

 :beast: was cool though.
Title: Re: 2016 Berserk TV series: Episode 4
Post by: ABH on July 22, 2016, 02:52:06 PM
This was easily the highest quality episode done so far, for what that's worth. Pretty faithful to the manga, and that looks like it will continue into the next episode. Last week's episode had me to the point of giving up on the series - especially since it was supposedly written by Miura. This was watchable and sort of felt like Berserk.

Music was used more sparingly and appropriately. Not perfect, but at least for these 24 minutes, improved. Add-on to this, the director almost managed to create some atmosphere/tension in the cabin scenes, though overall it still feels rushed and mechanical too often. Like a JJ Abrams movie jumping from one scene to the next just going down a check list of what is supposed to happen.

I thought this episode had the best animation overall. The screenshot of that sorry excuse for an apostle was the one thing that stuck out to me while watching, but it's only a second or so. The 3D looked better, and the preview for next episode had a nice hand drawn scene of Guts entering the Kushan village. I'm thinking that any episode that features one-off models or settings is going to struggle, but we'll see at least acceptable quality elsewhere.

Beyond that, I am really concerned about fights with monsters. This is my first post here, but I saw praise for last week's animation elsewhere that I didn't really get. The entire fight with the new/ret conned dog Apostle was terrible and just made the thing mostly if not entirely incoherent (ignoring the issue of godawful writing/directing - Guts having his leg in a monsters mouth being chewed on with no blood etc.). The movies, which had much better 3D, botched the Zodd fight in my view. After last week I have almost no faith this series can show the fight scenes that are ahead with Mozgus and his goons, though maybe I'll be surprised.

I really wanted (and still do) want to buy into this series. It's Berserk, and there's always a chance if it somehow does well that the quality will improve for a potential second season. Or maybe they'll even redo things down the road, which has happened before. But most of what I've seen has made that very difficult. At best we are going to get mediocre (this episode, and the second) and at worst, a mess (ep 3).
Title: Re: 2016 Berserk TV series: Episode 4
Post by: Aazealh on July 22, 2016, 02:57:48 PM
Oh so they replaced the Dog Apostle with the Chicken Apostle... Is this actually a parody of Berserk or something? :ganishka:

Anyway, this felt passable enough because they stuck to the manga, but it's still a radically impoverished version of the story. Less content, badly edited, badly delivered, and with terrible visuals. I know this is nothing new, and I guess it can't get any better than it was in this episode... But I just can't be satisfied with that. At its best, it's still bad.

Are they introducing Isidro again with the Bakiraka?

Yeeeeeep, which makes me wonder even more why they bothered to introduce him in episode 1 at all. I guess they'll skip the scene with the brigands this time around? Still, really puzzling choices were made with this TV series. All that mess could have easily been avoided.

And does anyone else think that Puck's voice is really weird?

Guts' voice actor bothers me more than Puck's. He sounds like he's phoning it in a lot of the time to me, which drains a lot of scenes of their emotional impact. And it's not like we can count on the facial expressions of the 3D models to help with that either. The part when he did the Beast of Darkness could have been worse I guess, but it didn't wow me.

I liked how they toned down the Mozgus stuff, overall this was a pretty good episode.

Not sure what you mean here. It's pretty much the same content, only shittier.

Like Rickert's reaction to Puck... just copied the manga scene but without the back story, it has to come across as strange.

Yep... And Puck talks about being eaten, but the scene of Erika sleeping while holding him lasts a split-second on screen, it's so fast that unless you know what's going on, you can't possibly get it.
Title: Re: 2016 Berserk TV series: Episode 4
Post by: Earthlingzing on July 22, 2016, 03:00:01 PM
There were fewer closeups of Mozgus's face, that would be pretty horrifying in CGI.
Title: Re: 2016 Berserk TV series: Episode 4
Post by: Aazealh on July 22, 2016, 03:01:22 PM
There were fewer closeups of Mozgus's face, that would be pretty horrifying in CGI.

Ah, oh yeah, I can agree with that. Erika's face and Farnese's expressions (or lack thereof) were pretty painful throughout the episode.
Title: Re: 2016 Berserk TV series: Episode 4
Post by: Griffith on July 22, 2016, 03:18:19 PM
If anyone still cares about this, they're free to post their thoughts, impressions and reviews.

 :ganishka:

So, I take it that I'm not missing out by soft-boycotting this (it's not so much on principle as I just naturally don't want to watch it like any bad TV, let alone bad TV that butchers like my favorite story ever)? Do I get a prize for being the earliest to quit on the series, barring any tru fanz that never watched and never will? I honestly only got like 5 minutes in before tapping out. It literally hurt me, it hurt my feelings, and I can only imagine what you guys were going through dutifully podcasting this shit.

Or, hey, tell me if I'm wrong and should give it a second chance. I see that it's gotten "better" according to many here, but to the level it's genuinely watchable and not just out of fealty to Berserk? I mean, I want to like Berserk anime! I really like the '97 series (especially now), probably more than most.
Title: Re: 2016 Berserk TV series: Episode 4
Post by: Aazealh on July 22, 2016, 03:24:23 PM
I see that it's gotten "better" according to many here, but to the level it's genuinely watchable and not just out of fealty to Berserk?

Nah.
Title: Re: 2016 Berserk TV series: Episode 4
Post by: Androyd on July 22, 2016, 03:27:28 PM

Or, hey, tell me if I'm wrong and should give it a second chance. I see that it's gotten "better" according to many here, but to the level it's genuinely watchable and not just out of fealty to Berserk?

Personally, I think people have just gotten use to it, as opposed to getting better. I'd recommend watching it under the condition you're wanting to experience Berserk, but are feeling too lazy to actually reread the manga at that particular time.

And note I said "reread" because obviously this shouldn't be anyone's introduction to the story.
Title: Re: 2016 Berserk TV series: Episode 4
Post by: Rupert Sinclair on July 22, 2016, 03:41:10 PM
None of the emotional impact is there for Godot's speech to Guts and it's absolutely the fault of both the voice actors.  The guy doing Guts is more of a line reader than a voice actor, and should probably find a new job.
Title: Re: 2016 Berserk TV series: Episode 4
Post by: Eluvei on July 22, 2016, 03:41:20 PM
I'd recommend watching it under the condition you're wanting to experience Berserk, but are feeling too lazy to actually reread the manga at that particular time.

I won't watch this episode or the next ones, but based on the first three, I don't think that watching this is in any way "experiencing Berserk". Unless you meant experience what it's like to go berserk. :mozgus:
Title: Re: 2016 Berserk TV series: Episode 4
Post by: residentgrigo on July 22, 2016, 03:46:32 PM
Certainly the best one but still a it was bad. The ep. made sense for the first time and “flowed” but none of it was earned. Introduction the Beast without any buildup is such an example and the opening minute is a perfect case study why the anime will never work with me as a viewing experience. The was nothing wrong with the writing or even the staging in that scene (right from the manga) but seeing the protagonist in about 4 differs art styles within 30 sec. took me right out. The fixed the music though, I give them that. But I now have a question: Why isn´t THIS the 1st ep?
That self-continued “arc” introduced stuff but not really. Almost no “essential” information for the Birth Ceremony they want to be adopted would be “missed”, just "off screen" as here, and the studio would have more money to do the stuff they want to showcase. Arslan came back for 8 eps. this season and Nanatsu no Taizai did 4. So weird. The very hard divide between the 1st and 2nd half was kind old school too and the dream-conversation in the cave reminds me of the PS2 game. I basically got to see for the better part of 20 min why the source material works and why veteran animators or directors are important if you want to get it "right". 5/10
@Walter 1 to 1 adaptation with zero control are the TV anime norm, if i forget gecko endings. Ready made storyboards and all.
Title: Re: 2016 Berserk TV series: Episode 4
Post by: Salem on July 22, 2016, 03:55:10 PM
I really enjoyed this episode. Besides the flash backs and animation, I thought it was pretty solid, considering who is presenting it.  Hopefully that feeling continues, as I'm sure this is as good as it can get.
Title: Re: 2016 Berserk TV series: Episode 4
Post by: ApostleBob on July 22, 2016, 05:42:30 PM
Best episode yet. Had good pacing and excellent character development. I didn't mind the animation at all except maybe some of the sloppy flashback stuff (but it's stylistic so whatever).

They brought Godo back without explanation but I'm fine with it. If you've seen the 97 anime it works fine. They nailed the scene. One of the most pivotal ones in the series at Godo's death bed. The scene in the cave is great too. Done perfectly with the ghosts of the falcons and the Beast.

The stuff with Mozgus was great too. And I'm kind of fine with the way they decided to censor it. It was stylistic and looked intentional. And man that breaking wheel. Yowch!

And lastly, they mostly fixed one of my greatest gripes so far. The music was actually pretty appropriate throughout! We didn't have power metal throughout! It was as brooding as you'd want a dark series to be.

It's a shame that we didn't have the best build up to this episode, but if they continue like this one, count me on board. The series is definitely on a budget, but I can overlook small stuff if you do the content justice, and I felt like this one did the trick.

Small side note: I like how the chicken apostle still had the knife in it's eye that Judeau had thrown. A nice touch
Title: Re: 2016 Berserk TV series: Episode 4
Post by: Gamehowitzer on July 22, 2016, 05:46:46 PM
My worst fear has come to bear fruit. They made :casca: sound like a retard. I was really worried how they'd handle her nonsensical noises and moans but to have the voice of a 5 year old? *sigh* Another problem was how when they were showing the right eye flashback the blood was straight up covering the screen. They should have just reddened the screen. Or if they really wanted ppl to understand they would have done a decent flashback where we can see his eye getting gouged out.
Title: Re: 2016 Berserk TV series: Episode 4
Post by: Aazealh on July 22, 2016, 06:27:12 PM
Small side note: I like how the chicken apostle still had the knife in it's eye that Judeau had thrown. A nice touch

You're aware a full month passes between the Eclipse and the time Guts leaves Godot's place, right? It makes no sense whatsoever for an apostle to just keep the knife in like that, not to mention the fact it means he never returned to his human form... And it's also in the wrong eye. Maybe it's an homage to the Eclipse, but I'm pretty sure the viewer is supposed to assume Guts just threw the knife.
Title: Re: 2016 Berserk TV series: Episode 4
Post by: DANGERDOOOOM on July 22, 2016, 07:52:21 PM
Wow, this episode totally redeemed last. I was so happy to see  :beast: make an appearance. Plus all of the panel-by-panel shots were awesome. This episode has proven to me they are stepping in the right direction and following the story somewhat close to the original  :ubik:

My worst fear has come to bear fruit. They made :casca: sound like a retard.
Isn't she supposed to sound like that? I mean yeah, her voice did sound a little young. But keep in mind this is a Japanese anime. Be prepared for the voices of a female to stab your ear drums, especially someone who has the mentality of a vegetable.
Title: Re: 2016 Berserk TV series: Episode 4
Post by: buttonmasher on July 22, 2016, 08:47:14 PM
People are mentioning things in the episode that don't make sense or might be lost of those who have not read the manga.  This is going to continue to happen for the rest of this run.  I actually like they way they are handling it - instead of trying to retcon or shove extra footage in, just do the manga and move on whlie letting the chips fall where they may.  If they continue to adapt the series then this particular problem should resolve istelf. 

I was in awe at how closely they followed the manga.  If they keep doing that then I will be at peace with this adaptation even if I'm not really loving it.  It is reminding me of Watchmen in the sense that the beats and visuals are happening but a bit hollow.  I completely understand folks tapping out, especially with free trials expiring, but I think the series as a whole will avoid being the complete travesty many of us expected.   
Title: Re: 2016 Berserk TV series: Episode 4
Post by: Cyrus Jong on July 22, 2016, 10:27:09 PM
I said in the previous topic that this series would still suck even if it was a 100% faithful to the source material, and I stand by that. This episode proved it. It followed the plot of the manga almost word for word, but everything just felt off. It's like the writers and directors know the steps, but they can't feel the rhythm. The conversation with Godot and Guts' scene in the cave are supposed to be emotional and contemplative moments, but the pacing never takes a moment to pause in the action and let the words sink in for both the characters and the audience. This entire section is supposed to be devoted to breaking Guts down and building him up again into a better, stronger person, with his vow to "never lose [Casca] again" and Godot's reforging of the sword meant to be the emotionally climatic moments symbolizing Guts' "rebirth," but once again, the frantic pacing just resulted in a shallow payoff that didn't feel earned.

The voice acting is similarly flat. Guts always sounds like he's reading his lines; there's never any change in his emotional state. And I'm completely with Walter on Godot; his abrasive and brutally honest personality is nowhere to be seen here. Mozgus was similarly unimpressive. When he gets his :mozgus: face going, he just talks a little louder and faster, as if he's slightly irate, and not filled with manic, frothing-at-the-mouth rage and religious fervor.

And once again, the music is bad and it's used badly. Guts realizes that Casca is in danger, so they play those obnoxious guitar riffs. And heroic music starts blaring from out of nowhere from the moment of silent victory as Guts renews himself and vows to find Casca. Both instances were audibly distracting and highly inappropriate.

Also, did anyone notice that in the scenes depicting Casca in the Eclipse, that she has a tentacle jammed in her mouth? Seriously, that was just fucking excessive and unnecessary.

People are mentioning things in the episode that don't make sense or might be lost of those who have not read the manga.  This is going to continue to happen for the rest of this run.  I actually like they way they are handling it - instead of trying to retcon or shove extra footage in, just do the manga and move on whlie letting the chips fall where they may.  If they continue to adapt the series then this particular problem should resolve istelf. 
While it certainly is nice that we saw considerably fewer changes and retcons this time around and that they're just sticking to what was in the manga, the fact that they shoved a number of characters, concepts, events, and ideas in without any real explanation is just going to leave fresh viewers completely lost. Which isn't automatically a bad thing, but it runs contrary to Kurosu's previous claims that the series was standalone. If he honestly believes that, then he's deluded, and if new viewers were never supposed to be a factor in this series, then why were all the goddamn changes in the previous episodes made in the first place? It seems like nobody knows who they're making this show for.
Title: Re: 2016 Berserk TV series: Episode 4
Post by: __Bonfire__ on July 22, 2016, 10:28:41 PM
I liked it, but I think that's because it was better than the other episodes, episode 2 wasn't horrible either, but so far none of them are that great. Also when Guts simply raises the DS in the air there is a faint clanging sound...
Title: Re: 2016 Berserk TV series: Episode 4
Post by: Delta Phi on July 22, 2016, 10:42:17 PM
Also, did anyone notice that in the scenes depicting Casca in the Eclipse, that she has a tentacle jammed in her mouth? Seriously, that was just fucking excessive and unnecessary.

I didn't, but it's not without warrant (http://aazealh.net/Divers/Casca/Apostles/Casca-Apostles00.jpg)
Title: Re: 2016 Berserk TV series: Episode 4
Post by: Zade on July 22, 2016, 11:11:19 PM
I liked this episode. It was enjoyable to watch. and finally we see Casca again
Title: Re: 2016 Berserk TV series: Episode 4
Post by: Hanma_Baki on July 23, 2016, 12:59:48 AM
Wow! I gotta say, whatta step up, I'm A LOT less disgusted and heartbroken by this episode than the previous 3. The chicken apostle flashback aside, I don't think I even experienced any too painful cringe moments. Yeah, as someone said, this would've been a decent first episode, I'd actually call it pretty smooth compared to what we did get instead. You know what, from now on I will just pretend as if this actually was the first episode simply because nothing could really redeem this series with those first 3 episodes in mind. Other than that I think a lot of Cyrus Jong's post sums up my thoughts about this episode pretty good. And yeah I'd prefer there to be as little flashbacks as possible as well, just keep the "now" flowing as the pacing already is such a mess as it is.
Title: Re: 2016 Berserk TV series: Episode 4
Post by: Oburi on July 23, 2016, 01:08:25 AM
Do I get a prize for being the earliest to quit on the series, barring any tru fanz that never watched and never will? I honestly only got like 5 minutes in before tapping out.

I should get a prize for being that true fan, but I think the complete ignorance of the show is a reward by itself.  :ganishka:  I was never planning on watching from the beginning, but after reading all these threads I'm even more relieved that I never got even the slightest touch of hopeful expectations with this Frankenstein train wreck of a production.  I've completely given up on any type of adaptation of Berserk in any form a long time ago. Pretty much since the 97 anime. Once I discovered the manga it was obvious there was no way (and no need) for any other alternative form of media to try to adapt Berserk and have it be half as cool. Unless it's something uniquely separated like the Dreamcast game, all this shit just gets in the way. I mean, WE HAVE THE MANGA! It's amazing how many people really care about it being animated. Those IGN reviews made me sick. Listening to some of these Youtube reviews, even without having seen the show, just listening to them talk about why Berserk is great feels like a personal insult.  Berserk is unadaptable. People should accept that. And don't start with the "But Watchmen was unadaptable and look what Zack "the Next Kubrick" Snyder did"!  In a perfect world, a shot for shot remake of the manga with perfect casting and music and big budget etc, maybe it could work. But since that's not going to happen, and the manga is flawless, there's nothing to be done.
Title: Re: 2016 Berserk TV series: Episode 4
Post by: Roderick on July 23, 2016, 03:29:20 AM
This is certainly the best effort in that they screwed up the story the least here, but the serious flaws in the overall production hang over it.  Aside from the generally unappealing visuals, the voice-acting really drags this down. 

The Guts VA is most certainly phoning in his entire performance, killing much of the gravity of the delivering regarding in his spiritual & mental state.  The animation and art in the cave tried to compensate for it, but it is too little to truly offset the dull acting.

Mozgus is also a bit of a disappointment in this regard.  He sounds suspiciously like the narrator and has very limited range in his voice.  Too much of a boom in his voice as he his portraying his saintly side, so his shift he his violently zealous side isn't as shocking or impressive as it should be.

Also some inconsistent violence censorship as Mozgus' executors go to town on the "heretics."  Pretty likely it's as Aazealh stated earlier in it's probably a budget or technical issue where they can't directly show the more elaborate turtures.  Although considering how poor much of the animation is, it's probably better it is left to the imagination.

Best clip may have been the moment where the short guy plucks out the eyeballs of that one poor sod and deftly runs off with his peepers.  Horrific moment, but well executed I thought

Or, hey, tell me if I'm wrong and should give it a second chance. I see that it's gotten "better" according to many here, but to the level it's genuinely watchable and not just out of fealty to Berserk? I mean, I want to like Berserk anime! I really like the '97 series (especially now), probably more than most.

It still pretty bad.  This one is only "better" because the previous episodes have been such raging dumpster fires.  The script and the rare moments of competence are the only real silver lining here. 

I suppose it's potentially enjoyable if one is willing to overlook its major flaws.  The moments I kinda enjoy here and there are mostly propelled by nostalgia and even then the execution more often than not ruins it.
Title: Re: 2016 Berserk TV series: Episode 4
Post by: ApostleBob on July 23, 2016, 03:32:53 AM
You're aware a full month passes between the Eclipse and the time Guts leaves Godot's place, right? It makes no sense whatsoever for an apostle to just keep the knife in like that, not to mention the fact it means he never returned to his human form... And it's also in the wrong eye. Maybe it's an homage to the Eclipse, but I'm pretty sure the viewer is supposed to assume Guts just threw the knife.

I was not aware that it was a full month, but now that you mention it that sounds about right. Between the recovery, birth of the child cutting up fish and creation of armor and arm...

However, I think the anime is doing it's own thing and timeline. Which sucks, but as long as it's internally consistent, whatever. Mainly I just thought it a clever detail to remember for such a minor apostle. It's cetrtaily not brilliant, as it falls apart with any scrutiny at all.

And again, Guts is killing low rent apostles like it isn't anything at all. This is supposed to be a STRUGGLE.
Title: Re: 2016 Berserk TV series: Episode 4
Post by: Roderick on July 23, 2016, 03:46:11 AM
Anyway, this felt passable enough because they stuck to the manga, but it's still a radically impoverished version of the story. Less content, badly edited, badly delivered, and with terrible visuals. I know this is nothing new, and I guess it can't get any better than it was in this episode... But I just can't be satisfied with that. At its best, it's still bad.

Yes, I think this episode might end up being the best quality this series is capable of delivering.
Title: Re: 2016 Berserk TV series: Episode 4
Post by: Cyrus Jong on July 23, 2016, 04:39:57 AM
I didn't, but it's not without warrant (http://aazealh.net/Divers/Casca/Apostles/Casca-Apostles00.jpg)
Touché, but the image they used is honestly ridiculous, anatomically impossible to pull without killing the victim, and impossible to take seriously (http://i.imgur.com/AOwmpzl.png). And this is not a scene you want to screw up. And my mistake, it wasn't a tentacle, but a giant finger.
Title: Re: 2016 Berserk TV series: Episode 4
Post by: Gamehowitzer on July 23, 2016, 05:12:34 AM
Isn't she supposed to sound like that? I mean yeah, her voice did sound a little young. But keep in mind this is a Japanese anime. Be prepared for the voices of a female to stab your ear drums, especially someone who has the mentality of a vegetable.
I mean yeah she does have the broken mind but what does a mindless adult sound like? A mindless adult, not an infant or a 5 year old. She went "uuwaaaahhhh" and it sounded more like an infant babbling at something than an adult with the mind of a baby babbling at something. Its just something that i had worried about since the beginning of this adaptation which is why i'm a bit over-critical of this point. She didnt even sound like a woman. Well, at least  :farnese: is going to be broken out of her stupid god complex soon. And that battle with the inquisitioner is going to be animated horribly. The only things that will redeem the horrible fight will be Griffiths emergence from the egg and guts killing the big goat head dude after he takes  :casca: . oh and him fighting :serpico: on the cliff. anything im forgetting here?
Title: Re: 2016 Berserk TV series: Episode 4
Post by: Defengar on July 23, 2016, 07:25:07 AM
Best episode so far... but honestly that really, really isn't saying much. It does give me a glimmer of hope for the rest of the series though. Hopefully the next episode will be just as decent; I think that's all we can really hope for. If it's even better, then my expectations will be blown, and this may actually turn out to be a decent series overall (really just the last two thirds).
Title: Re: 2016 Berserk TV series: Episode 4
Post by: PENumber2 on July 23, 2016, 04:43:11 PM
Finally, something passable as an episode of a show on television! ... though Casca was a bit more brain dead than I was expecting her to be. From the manga I always got the impression that she was absent minded ... not drooling at the mouth. 
Title: Re: 2016 Berserk TV series: Episode 4
Post by: Aazealh on July 23, 2016, 05:06:29 PM
From the manga I always got the impression that she was absent minded ... not drooling at the mouth.

That same scene in the manga does show her drooling.
Title: Re: 2016 Berserk TV series: Episode 4
Post by: Lawliet on July 23, 2016, 08:01:25 PM
Just watched the episode and I was surprised to see that it was acceptable (but not beyond that). I like how more faithful to the manga it was than the travesty of an episode before it.

Still, the voice acting sucked, to be blunt. Guts should have sounded more pissed off during his confrontation with Rickert for example.

Some of my favourite lines from that part of the story are missing here. Such as:

"A good sword, even if it rusts and dulls, has good steel that never rusts left over in the wick. That steel's the ultimate steel. Even if it cracks, if you return it to the fire, it's sure to be reborn." ~ Godo, Volume 17.
Title: Re: 2016 Berserk TV series: Episode 4
Post by: Sikorsky87 on July 26, 2016, 03:57:22 AM
Whelp...better...I guess? I really do wish they had chosen to leave out the flashbacks. I guess it's better for viewers new to Berserk, but I wish they would spend the time on..idk making a better show and people new to Berserk can go back and read the manga...or at least watch the anime/movies.

Glad they included  :beast:
Title: Re: 2016 Berserk TV series: Episode 4
Post by: Tabris on July 26, 2016, 09:16:09 PM
I've seen this episode twice now. It definitely was the best episode so far but it still feels off and diluted.

If anything it gives me hope that episode 3 is as bad as it will get sigh.
Title: Re: 2016 Berserk TV series: Episode 4
Post by: DirectDK on July 27, 2016, 04:44:52 AM
Was out of town until yesterday so finally got to see episode 4!  And happy to say this is definitely my favorite episode so far.  Felt a lot of nostalgia and I stayed emotionally connected throughout the first half.  I also quite enjoyed the introduction of Mozgus and the torturers.  The killings were pretty brutal and the animation looked good to me.  I enjoyed the pacing of this one too.  Unlike episode 3, there were finally moments to breathe and take in the story.  Really hope the rest of the series keeps improving like this one.
Title: Re: 2016 Berserk TV series: Episode 4
Post by: Mammon on July 28, 2016, 10:49:22 PM
I'm kinda starting to watch these episodes because "oh yeah... it came out a few days ago, better check it..."
My initial enthusiasm is totally gone.  :judo:
I really thought that that awful movie trilogy would be a reality check, and they couldn't screw up this time...

Oh well, this episode was better than the last one at least;
I kinda liked the whole Mozgus and his very own Ginyu Force scene in general; nice detail when Serpico touched his  pointy mask/helmet (not sure how to say it in English) after seeing the Plague-Doctor looking dude.
This is the kind of things I think were missing in the 97 anime (still the best) and the new trilogy. Charming little background details like that.
Or the knife still being in the (indeed wrong) eye of the chicken apostle, I took it as a wink to manga readers (even if highly impractical).

And the Pig Apostle being a Dog Apostle is now canon? Haha that made me smile, the simple things we miss,
I've just re-read his fight with guts and yeah his snout definitely look dog-like, kinda look like "Terror" from "The Boys" (don't recall the name of that kind of dog).

And the voice acting still doesn't exactly gives me chills, hopefully it gets better.
Hopefully it's a bad start and everything gets better, that's the reason I keep watching it after all...
Title: Re: 2016 Berserk TV series: Episode 4
Post by: Vixen Comics on August 25, 2016, 04:44:28 PM
I mean yeah she does have the broken mind but what does a mindless adult sound like? A mindless adult, not an infant or a 5 year old. She went "uuwaaaahhhh" and it sounded more like an infant babbling at something than an adult with the mind of a baby babbling at something. Its just something that i had worried about since the beginning of this adaptation which is why i'm a bit over-critical of this point. She didnt even sound like a woman.

I kind of agree I have been dreading the animated version of Casca's mentally regressed sounds she will be making in audiou form. I cringe when I read it in the manga and hearing it gives a whole new level of sad to her condition. I rather appreciated the way the english voice actress who did her "sounds" in the first video game pulled it off. She sounds mentally regressed and simple minded without going over board, just enough to get the point across.:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nO0PwiRSJww

check out: 4:24  10:23

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iBuQ6dVwe0o

But like some one else pointed out, it might be because anime girl voices are just very high.

Seeing this episode I was reminded on how despicable I found Farnese at first. Her getting off on those men getting crushed really made me despise her when I first read the manga. What a turn around for her characterization. She was really in danger of becoming a Mozgus clone at this point in her life.

And LUKA! I love her, and it was nice to her animated and stick up for Casca even though she knew nothing of her. Luka is the one of the best side characters in Berserk