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Title: 2017 Berserk TV Series (Season 2)
Post by: Salem on September 16, 2016, 02:21:53 PM
Season 2 is announced!  Woo!  :troll:  It really is though.
https://mobile.twitter.com/Gomarz/status/776781639040983042
Title: Re: 2017 Berserk TV Series (Season 2)
Post by: ABH on September 16, 2016, 03:10:12 PM
1. New director
2. Bigger budget for animation
3. New sound guy

For all this shows faults, it's not that hard to fix. #1 is the key. Someone who will stay faithful as this season has tried to do, but knows how to portray the material. For all the knocking of the show, at the least it's building Berserk's profile and there's a chance to turn things around. Other series have improved in quality after the first season.
Title: Re: 2017 Berserk TV Series (Season 2)
Post by: Walter on September 16, 2016, 05:05:33 PM
I was waiting for official confirmation, since Twitter is...yeah.

It's for real. The end of the last episode says "2017 spring, the next arc arrives." It cuts from the same footage of Flora's mansion shown in the first episode to a panning shot of the Berserk Armor, ending on this:

(http://www.skullknight.net/images/ep12-3.jpg)

I wonder what spirit is living in that armor!?
Title: Re: 2017 Berserk TV Series (Season 2)
Post by: Salem on September 16, 2016, 05:09:37 PM
The animation seemed to improve a little by the last episode.  Hopefully the rage and outcry from many of the fans will help structure season 2 better.  If all else fails and the second season has already been done, let's hope they make some changes in the meantime.    I swear I heard this was going to be 24 episodes originally, so that is where my line of thought is coming from.

I don't see the pacing, which at times really does itself no service, changing enough to make things smooth.  I do find it a little shoddy to make so many repetitive sound effects.  I'm no one to specialize in such matters, but don't see how hard it would be to smash steel on different material to get a sweet sound for the dragon slayer.  As much as I love Susumu, replaying one song is not the key.  All these remixes from the golden age movies are pretty bad.  Could be part of the budget?  Dunno.

All in all season 1 felt pretty meh.  Following the manga more closely around episode 4 and on made everything a little better.  Much improvement needed, so let's hope for the best.

Oh man!  That shot of the armor makes me smile.
Title: Re: 2017 Berserk TV Series (Season 2)
Post by: Theozilla on September 16, 2016, 06:15:18 PM
Based on the pacing of this first cour, and presuming the next one is 12 episodes as well, I'm guessing they'll just be adapting the Chapter of The Holy Demon War, and not the entirety of the Millennium Falcon Arc. Maybe the series will be like Sailor Moon Crystal we'll hopeful see some marginal improvement in the production/adaptation quality of the anime.
Title: Re: 2017 Berserk TV Series (Season 2)
Post by: Roderick on September 16, 2016, 09:03:41 PM
Based on the pacing of this first cour, and presuming the next one is 12 episodes as well, I'm guessing they'll just be adapting the Chapter of The Holy Demon War, and not the entirety of the Millennium Falcon Arc. Maybe the series will be like Sailor Moon Crystal we'll hopeful see some marginal improvement in the production/adaptation quality of the anime.

I agree.  It will pretty much end where the PS2 game ends, shortly after the fight with Grunbeld and as the depart the forest.

Now if there's a season 3 (please no), I'll be a bit at a loss as to where it ends.  Probably a case of them dragging out the Vrannitis material and war with Ganishka.  The beginning of the Fantasia arc is too good of a closure to pass up.

If (God forbid), they go even further, season 4 will end at the tail end of what we have last seen of Falconia where Rickert and Ericka leave with Silat.

Lastly, if by some horrible fate a fifth season is on the horizon, there may be enough content available to accomplish that too.  Which would end up happening sometime around 2018 or 2019.
Title: Re: 2017 Berserk TV Series (Season 2)
Post by: Oburi on September 16, 2016, 09:42:22 PM
I was waiting for official confirmation, since Twitter is...yeah.

It's for real. The end of the last episode says "2017 spring, the next arc arrives." It cuts from the same footage of Flora's mansion shown in the first episode to a panning shot of the Berserk Armor, ending on this:


I didn't even realize how much I dreaded a season 2 until now, knowing there's more to come. I was so happy it was coming to an end, where it could die and never be brought up again. But nope, there's going to be more of this nonsense. Dammit.
Title: Re: 2017 Berserk TV Series (Season 2)
Post by: Grail on September 16, 2016, 09:53:14 PM
I didn't even realize how much I dreaded a season 2 until now, knowing there's more to come. I was so happy it was coming to an end, where it could die and never be brought up again. But nope, there's going to be more of this nonsense. Dammit.

Ditto. "Dread" is definitely the word that comes to mind. :magni:

Beyond that, I'm shocked that they had enough of a budget to continue to push forward like this. Somebody's buying those Blu Rays! :troll:
Title: Re: 2017 Berserk TV Series (Season 2)
Post by: Gummyskull on September 16, 2016, 10:33:15 PM
Does that mean we'll get to see :schnoz: in all his glory?
Title: Re: 2017 Berserk TV Series (Season 2)
Post by: Roderick on September 16, 2016, 10:33:34 PM
I was so happy it was coming to an end, where it could die and never be brought up again. But nope, there's going to be more of this nonsense. Dammit.

Same here.  I thought this was just going to end with a wimper, we could collectively bury the remains and forget this ever exited except as a hunting reminder of how badly this series can be botched.  But no, "Berserk 2016"  looks like it might overtake the '97 series in overall number of episodes and possibly ending up the better known incarnation.

And that's scary.  The series deserves much better than this.

Also looks like we won't get to any "Berserk season 0" that plugs up the plotholes that arose from omitting so much f from the Black Swordsman arc and pretty much everything since the immediate post-Eclipse to Guts fighting the Holy Iron Chain Knights.  While I wouldn't be looking forward to that either, it would at least be more welcome.
Title: Re: 2017 Berserk TV Series (Season 2)
Post by: Oburi on September 17, 2016, 12:06:51 AM
Does that mean we'll get to see :schnoz: in all his glory?

Now that you mention it, think about all of the amazing things that happen in this arc of Berserk. The Millennium Falcon arc is my favorite arc (Fantasia could easily surpass it though) because of how expansive it is for the story. It's got a little bit of everything and it's just so massive and filled with big epic scenes, tons of new creatures and characters, new locations, massive battles, magic, apostles, etc. Its a huge undertaking to try to adapt this part going forward, under any medium, you'd want so badly for it to be awesome, now more than ever. It's so depressing that they are actually pushing forward with this.

Honestly though the thing that'll make me hate it the most is if Miura ends up taking more breaks with the manga to help with the anime. Not that I blame him, it's just the situation that's frustrating. These terrible animes are slowing down the manga  :mozgus:   
Title: Re: 2017 Berserk TV Series (Season 2)
Post by: Kaladin on September 17, 2016, 01:02:31 AM
Rest in Peace the best arc.

once again the only good thing out of this is more exposure to the series and some new illustrations from Miura whether its for a Blu-ray box or a promotional magazine poster. That's it.
Title: Re: 2017 Berserk TV Series (Season 2)
Post by: Cyrus Jong on September 17, 2016, 01:32:28 AM
Also looks like we won't get to any "Berserk season 0" that plugs up the plotholes that arose from omitting so much f from the Black Swordsman arc and pretty much everything since the immediate post-Eclipse to Guts fighting the Holy Iron Chain Knights.  While I wouldn't be looking forward to that either, it would at least be more welcome.
They already screwed the pooch on that one. They established their timeline by having Guts meet Puck and the Holy Iron Chain Knights in the same episode. There's no place to fit the missing material into anymore. :judo:
Title: Re: 2017 Berserk TV Series (Season 2)
Post by: Pink-Dark-Boy on September 17, 2016, 02:04:56 AM
This is just taking the piss now. I refrained from watching the anime after the first five episodes for the sole purpose of getting that bitter taste out my mouth, and moving on. But another season is going to make that task a lot more difficult.  :schierke:
Title: Re: 2017 Berserk TV Series (Season 2)
Post by: residentgrigo on September 17, 2016, 09:17:04 AM
The announcement doesnīt state the format, so the producers could just regurgitate whatever the last 2 studios had stuffed away in a random OVA project. I still expect another 12 ep. show. It will hardly blow the piggy bank :schierke: . I certainly wonīt watch another full season, if the pilot will be as bad as the last batch. I now learned my lesson, never again. Liden Filmsīs somewhat unfairly ridiculed and bipolar Terra Formars adaptation now looks like masterpiece by comparison... It changed the animation studio for the 2nd season though, with noticeably worse results.
May future producers be kinder on us, after all this mess will be allowed to fade away and rebooted. An American adaptation would frankly be of higher interest to me than another Japanese one. 
@Theozilla Sailor Moon Crystal is actually a good adaptation and always was. It faithfully adapts the manga 1 to 1 and the dvd releases fixed a lot of animation errors too. That kind of adaptation, as most of our 90s show was, would be the best possible outcome.
Title: Re: 2017 Berserk TV Series (Season 2)
Post by: -cause on September 17, 2016, 05:37:57 PM
Season 2 is announced!

It's for real.

Fuck. Hearing this legitimately pisses me off.

1. New director
2. Bigger budget for animation
3. New sound guy

For all this shows faults, it's not that hard to fix. #1 is the key. Someone who will stay faithful as this season has tried to do, but knows how to portray the material. For all the knocking of the show, at the least it's building Berserk's profile and there's a chance to turn things around. Other series have improved in quality after the first season.

This means so little to me after what we saw in Season 1. They proved that they were either amateurs or imbeciles when it came to doing just about anything. Nothing I've seen makes me think that they should know how to pick a good director or sound technician either. Even a larger budget doesn't matter much when the people making the decisions are making poor choices. Sure it gives the manga extra publicity, but for me personally, I'd rather it get good extra publicity or no extra publicity at all. Season 1 was, in my opinion, bad publicity. My faith in Season 2 being even somewhat of decent quality is extremely low.
Title: Re: 2017 Berserk TV Series (Season 2)
Post by: DANGERDOOOOM on September 18, 2016, 12:54:18 AM
An American adaptation would frankly be of higher interest to me than another Japanese one.

Why would an American made Berserk adaptation be of higher interest to you?
Title: Re: 2017 Berserk TV Series (Season 2)
Post by: residentgrigo on September 18, 2016, 08:32:18 AM
It would be soothing new and i would like to see what an adaptation with a budget looks like. Animated or life action. Berserk best compares to European albums, if anything (i am well aware of the similar manga it started thereafter), so it wouldnīt even feel "wrong". Americans make the best tv there is and Dark Fantasy is hardly a Japanese genre. Just look @ GoT. Itīs a co-production between the US and UK. I am not the biggest fan of the last 2 seasons of scripts, but dat budget and polish :ubik: , even in S01. Itīs a shame that HBO abandoned adult targeted toons after Spawn, as i would love to live in that world! Nolanīs Batman for example got an anime anthology. Only the last 2 segments are true home-runs (one is by the Berserk movie director) but i loved seeing the material from different eyes.
(http://orig07.deviantart.net/17bc/f/2013/037/6/2/batman_vs_deadshot_by_tsotne_senpai-d5u13yv.gif)
Thatīs what an anime with an American budget (3,5 mil. is the rumor for DC toon films) looks like. Anyone but the last 2 production companies get my blessing a this point. I just want to tune in and have a good time... as i get NO satisfaction from disliking an adaptation of beloved source material.
Title: Re: 2017 Berserk TV Series (Season 2)
Post by: Uriel on September 18, 2016, 10:16:43 AM
I was waiting for official confirmation, since Twitter is...yeah.

(http://www.skullknight.net/images/ep12-3.jpg)

I wonder what spirit is living in that armor!?

Spooky vision.

But whatever, more Berserk. Nobody asked for it, but we're getting it anyway. We can only hope they drastically alter it for the better, but I wouldn't hold my breath.
Title: Re: 2017 Berserk TV Series (Season 2)
Post by: Aazealh on September 18, 2016, 08:19:22 PM
For all this shows faults, it's not that hard to fix. [...] For all the knocking of the show, at the least it's building Berserk's profile and there's a chance to turn things around.

I have to disagree with all of these statements. This show's not hard to fix? Sure, you only have to redo everything from scratch. And as for building Berserk's profile, all it's doing is make people think "Berserk = garbage". I sure hope it helps bring more people to the manga and that the new season gets much better and all that, but wishful thinking alone will not suffice unfortunately.

I swear I heard this was going to be 24 episodes originally, so that is where my line of thought is coming from.

That was just a bogus info, the like of which the Internet often produces. They'll be making that new season between now and spring. That means about two weeks per episode. I'm not very hopeful.

Based on the pacing of this first cour, and presuming the next one is 12 episodes as well, I'm guessing they'll just be adapting the Chapter of The Holy Demon War, and not the entirety of the Millennium Falcon Arc.

That seems like a foregone conclusion. I don't expect them to adapt the entire chapter either. For example, I wouldn't be surprised if they skipped the six episodes that are set in Wyndham with Ganishka.

I'm shocked that they had enough of a budget to continue to push forward like this. Somebody's buying those Blu Rays! :troll:

Well that's the one big advantage of having a minuscule budget: even the smallest audience allows you to go on. Besides, even if the new season tanks, they'll have lost very little money.
Title: Re: 2017 Berserk TV Series (Season 2)
Post by: Gamehowitzer on September 18, 2016, 10:39:08 PM
That makes me actually mad. :mozgus: They do such a horrible job, however because of the poor budget, this poor job can be continued. I honestly wish i had a better understanding of the anime industry so i could say what i want to say about the approval process, but oh well. I am honestly surprised that this was allowed to be aired on japanese television. I was under the impression that they had higher standards. I'm really worried about how this is affecting miura. Even though he worked with them on an episode to help them, they still fudged it this badly, and they still are going to continue to? ugh. I'm just frustrated. I just finished watching Re:zero, and from what i read they had adapted it faithfully, took more episodes than originally intended, decided not to butcher the story, and while they may not have ended it where they wanted to, they still ended it at a great spot. Why can't berserk get that kind of treatment? Why does berserk keep getting bad adaptations? I don't get it.
Title: Re: 2017 Berserk TV Series (Season 2)
Post by: DANGERDOOOOM on September 18, 2016, 10:41:19 PM
Dark Fantasy is hardly a Japanese genre.

Attack on Titan, Hellsing, Claymore, Vinland Saga. These are just the most well known, but there are plenty of others.

America should honestly work on their own shows and not worry about Berserk, especially a live action adaptation :magni:

Let's not forget about Dragonball Evolution.
Title: Re: 2017 Berserk TV Series (Season 2)
Post by: Kaladin on September 19, 2016, 12:39:58 AM
Attack on Titan, Hellsing, Claymore, Vinland Saga. These are just the most well known, but there are plenty of others.


i think he means your traditional knights in armor in a medieval setting. Claymore is the only series here that'd say is comparable here. Vinland Saga is not dark fantasy, its historical fiction. in the manga medium there are almost no good fantasy series out there besides berserk. the western market is much more saturated when it comes to fantasy in general. pretty sure there are plenty of good japanese fantasy novels out there, not so many manga.
Title: Re: 2017 Berserk TV Series (Season 2)
Post by: DANGERDOOOOM on September 19, 2016, 01:25:10 AM
Vinland Saga is not dark fantasy, its historical fiction
I'll have to take back what I said and agree with you on that one. I suppose just Claymore and Attack on Titan (slightly) would fit the dark fantasy genre out of the ones listed. :farnese:

the western market is much more saturated when it comes to fantasy in general.
I guess my main point is just because the West has a larger audience in the fantasy scene and a higher budget towards their films, doesn't mean it would do a Japanese anime/manga franchise justice (Dragonball Evolution).

Japan already has the right tools they need and have a strong potential for a proper Berserk anime. Unfortunately their execution and planning need more direction that can keep the fan base happy, while also accomplishing fluid animations, story, and music that doesn't seem to jump from scene-to-scene, leaving most people confused and asking themselves, "What were they trying to do here?"
Title: Re: 2017 Berserk TV Series (Season 2)
Post by: Kaladin on September 19, 2016, 02:12:56 AM
I guess my main point is just because the West has a larger audience in the fantasy scene and a higher budget towards their films, doesn't mean it would do a Japanese anime/manga franchise justice (Dragonball Evolution).

I don't disagree with you, and i'm still optimistic and think that one day we'll all get that adaptation we've been waiting for, and it's gonna be from a japanese studio of course.
Title: Re: 2017 Berserk TV Series (Season 2)
Post by: Aazealh on September 19, 2016, 05:46:59 AM
Vinland Saga is not dark fantasy, its historical fiction. in the manga medium there are almost no good fantasy series out there besides berserk.

Berserk isn't really "dark fantasy" either. It's plain fantasy, and spans a lot of things within that genre and others. Anyway, you guys should know better than to discuss residentgrigo's ramblings. :iva:
Title: Re: 2017 Berserk TV Series (Season 2)
Post by: VladimirPutin on September 29, 2016, 03:08:06 PM
I'm ok with new adaptation for 2017, I hope it will be better than 2016. If they just follow manga and don't do things too fast, I think it could be decent anime. From episode 4 in 2016 adaptation they were just following manga, beside animation and drawing style the biggest problem was pace of scenes from manga, some episodes were really decent, just following manga with good pace, but some were doing things too fast. If they can do it better, I will be happy.
Title: Re: 2017 Berserk TV Series (Season 2)
Post by: Mogen on September 30, 2016, 02:50:20 AM
As much as the new anime was a let down there is still that part of me that is happy to see all this Berserk love, new Figmas :femto: :slan:, Threezero has new figures :SK: :guts:, and what seems like new companies picking up the license now the new anime is getting a second season.
Title: Re: 2017 Berserk TV Series (Season 2)
Post by: Gamehowitzer on September 30, 2016, 04:54:31 AM
As much as the new anime was a let down there is still that part of me that is happy to see all this Berserk love, new Figmas :femto: :slan:, Threezero has new figures :SK: :guts:, and what seems like new companies picking up the license now the new anime is getting a second season.
What's that about new companies picking up the license? Could you elaborate on that?
Title: Re: 2017 Berserk TV Series (Season 2)
Post by: Aazealh on September 30, 2016, 06:25:07 AM
What's that about new companies picking up the license? Could you elaborate on that?

He means companies that sell merchandise, like statues or the like.
Title: Re: 2017 Berserk TV Series (Season 2)
Post by: Death May Die on September 30, 2016, 06:16:27 PM
I never thought I would want to just NOT have a Berserk anime. Let alone want the current one to just die a 1000 deaths.
Title: Re: 2017 Berserk TV Series (Season 2)
Post by: Gamehowitzer on September 30, 2016, 08:38:31 PM
He means companies that sell merchandise, like statues or the like.
Oh ok.
Title: Re: 2017 Berserk TV Series (Season 2)
Post by: PENumber2 on October 01, 2016, 05:13:42 PM
Berserk isn't really "dark fantasy" either. It's plain fantasy, and spans a lot of things within that genre and others. Anyway, you guys should know better than to discuss residentgrigo's ramblings. :iva:

Our hero Guts is found as a baby laying in the mud under his dead mother who was hung by the neck from a tree. He is later rapped as a boy because his foster dad "sold" him for that purpose. (Kudos to Kentaro Miura for NOT drawing 19 pages of that.) Fast forward to the Golden Age Arc, Guts spends most of his time slicing people in half, disemboweling a hundred men in one setting. This is all following the dreams and ambitions of Griffith, a friend who once sold his body to some Lord who's either a pedophile or just into androgynous guys with long hair, for money to advance his own goals. After Guts decides to go off on his own, Griffith is tortured for a year having his tendons cut, his tongue cut out, and left to rot in a dungeon. One year later Guts and Casca get the band back together and rescue Griffith. Guts doesn't hold back slicing men in half and throwing them into a black pit as they make their escape. Then what many would call "a dick move" Griffith uses a Beherit to summon some demon lords and sacrifice almost everyone who ever cared for him in what is easily one of the bloodiest scenes in anime with his friends being torn apart, chewed up, and devoured by demons. There is also a 19 page raped scene involving Casca and Griffith as Guts watches him, helpless to do anything and has to cleave off his own arm to get free. Guts is then tackled by a demon and has one of his eyes torn out. Casca is then left in a regressed child-like state, while Guts searches the world for other demons to get his revenge on Griffith, and he's not afraid to have sex with them to do it! See Berserk Vol One, Page One for more details.

I could go on but I think I made my point. The thing that makes Berserk great is the quiet times of character development between the scenes of relentless violence that make this series one of the darkest fantasy series ever made. Not every episode or issue/volume is worth having an R rating but there's plenty in there that does.

That being said, I have seen anime series that focus more on the torture porn aspect. Blood C in particular comes to mind.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wF-7x5op4iw
Title: Re: 2017 Berserk TV Series (Season 2)
Post by: Mangetsu on October 01, 2016, 05:24:53 PM
Our hero Guts is found as a baby laying in the mud under his dead mother who was hung by the neck from a tree. He is later rapped as a boy because his foster dad "sold" him for that purpose. (Kudos to Kentaro Miura for NOT drawing 19 pages of that.) Fast forward to the Golden Age Arc, Guts spends most of his time slicing people in half, disemboweling a hundred men in one setting. This is all following the dreams and ambitions of Griffith, a friend who once sold his body to some Lord who's either a pedophile or just into androgynous guys with long hair, for money to advance his own goals. After Guts decides to go off on his own, Griffith is tortured for a year having his tendons cut, his tongue cut out, and left to rot in a dungeon. One year later Guts and Casca get the band back together and rescue Griffith. Guts doesn't hold back slicing men in half and throwing them into a black pit as they make their escape. Then what many would call "a dick move" Griffith uses a Beherit to summon some demon lords and sacrifice almost everyone who ever cared for him in what is easily one of the bloodiest scenes in anime with his friends being torn apart, chewed up, and devoured by demons. There is also a 19 page raped scene involving Casca and Griffith as Guts watches him, helpless to do anything and has to cleave off his own arm to get free. Guts is then tackled by a demon and has one of his eyes torn out. Casca is then left in a regressed child-like state, while Guts searches the world for other demons to get his revenge on Griffith, and he's not afraid to have sex with them to do it! See Berserk Vol One, Page One for more details.

I could go on but I think I made my point. The thing that makes Berserk great is the quiet times of character development between the scenes of relentless violence that make this series one of the darkest fantasy series ever made. Not every episode or issue/volume is worth having an R rating but there's plenty in there that does.

That being said, I have seen anime series that focus more on the torture porn aspect. Blood C in particular comes to mind.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wF-7x5op4iw

I don't think you understood what Aaz tried to say. We all know that Berserk has elements of dark fantasy, but categorizing it under one subgenre is a pretty ignorant way of viewing the series.

Berserk withholds elements of dark, low and high fantasy and even elements of other Genres. Referring to it as simply Fantasy is much more easy and truthfull to it's content though.
Title: Re: 2017 Berserk TV Series (Season 2)
Post by: PENumber2 on October 01, 2016, 05:44:23 PM
I don't think you understood what Aaz tried to say. We all know that Berserk has elements of dark fantasy, but categorizing it under one subgenre is a pretty ignorant way of viewing the series.

Berserk withholds elements of dark, low and high fantasy and even elements of other Genres. Referring to it as simply Fantasy is much more easy and truthfull to it's content though.

Perhaps I did, but it seems like Kentaro creates an awful lot just so he can destroy it. This fairy tree village they're at in the current manga is going up on flames. I will be shocked if it doesn't. It might take 5 years worth of issues but it's going to happen.   

Also I agree that genera labels can be stupid and pointless. I used to work at a movie theater and some films we got in were labeled simply as "Foreign" ... Foreign what!? Romance, Comedy, Action, Thriller? What the hell does Foreign mean? Apparently nothing happens but you have to read subtitles. Usually there would always be a second label as a qualifier what type of Foreign film it was but some were only labeled as Foreign.   
Title: Re: 2017 Berserk TV Series (Season 2)
Post by: Aazealh on October 01, 2016, 08:18:08 PM
I could go on but I think I made my point. The thing that makes Berserk great is the quiet times of character development between the scenes of relentless violence that make this series one of the darkest fantasy series ever made. Not every episode or issue/volume is worth having an R rating but there's plenty in there that does.

The only point you made is that you lack reading comprehension, or plain comprehension for that matter.

it seems like Kentaro creates an awful lot just so he can destroy it.

A truly profound analysis.
Title: Re: 2017 Berserk TV Series (Season 2)
Post by: PENumber2 on October 02, 2016, 05:42:46 PM
A youtuber, I forget which, pointed out that it seems like they're fully animating these scenes first and then deciding where to put the camera afterward. And that's such a huge mistake. Everyone thinks comic books and manga are easy to adapt into movies because "it's already story boarded" but this isn't quite true. Characters and settings are drawn and posed with word balloons in mind. Characters suddenly turn away from one another and become animated in their actions for dramatic effect all so they can place word balloons when in reality people don't move this way. Recreating every panel would be great but sometimes it's a mistake. Action scenes are often drawn to get the proportions wrong on purpose for dramatic effect and this isn't as easily done in a computer generated environment. Where this method excels though is in sweeping battle shots like we saw in the three movies we got. The battle is fully animated and then the camera is set on a track to pan over the whole thing. Because we doesn't need focus on any one thing in particular it works great. But all the one on one combat scenes or Guts fighting a small group of people, it's done poorly. Often they have the camera panning for no reason at all, even during scenes where two characters are standing still just talking to one another. Hopefully this problem will be better addressed or we'll be calling it Berserk Season Two Many.

Also I would like to say sorry to Azealh. I had thought that was your personal opinion. Walter explained to me that Berserk is actually listed and promoted as just a Fantasy series by the publisher which hearkens back to how useless genera labels often are.
Title: Re: 2017 Berserk TV Series (Season 2)
Post by: DANGERDOOOOM on October 02, 2016, 07:49:44 PM
Our hero Guts is found as a baby laying in the mud under his dead mother who was hung by the neck from a tree. He is later rapped as a boy because his foster dad "sold" him for that purpose.

I got lost after Guts was a rapper at a young age.
Title: Re: 2017 Berserk TV Series (Season 2)
Post by: Aazealh on October 03, 2016, 05:38:50 PM
Also I would like to say sorry to Azealh. I had thought that was your personal opinion.

But this is in fact my personal opinion. Mangetsu got it right: I think categorizing Berserk as one specific subgenre is inherently stupid. Just like I said, Berserk spans a lot of things within the Fantasy genre as well as within other genres. Reducing it to "dark fantasy" is doing it a great disservice in my opinion. What is even "dark fantasy" anyway? A fantasy story where the world is bleak? Berserk, despite the tragedies and drama that occur in it, keeps a generally upbeat and hopeful tone. It has many comedic moments, tender and cute moments, epic and heroic moments. It also has its sad and melancholic moments, its terrifying moments, its sordid ones... And all of these can sometimes overlap. Berserk is a very complex, comprehensive work of art. Not a simplistic story with simplistic themes.

Even beyond Berserk though, I find the concept of subgenre to be generally meaningless, which is something you agreed on yourself.

I got lost after Guts was a rapper at a young age.

His palms are sweaty, knees weak, arms are heavy
There's vomit on his armor already, Gambino's spaghetti
He's nervous, but on the surface he looks calm and ready to drop blows,
But he keeps on forgetting what he planned down,
The whole crowd goes so loud
He grits his teeth, but the legs won't move
He's choking how, everybody's joking now
The mercs run out, time's up, over, blaow!
Title: Re: 2017 Berserk TV Series (Season 2)
Post by: Demon Knight on October 03, 2016, 05:51:04 PM
Why can't Mad house make a Berserk anime?
I'm really worried about how they will ruin this arc
Title: Re: 2017 Berserk TV Series (Season 2)
Post by: N7Paladin on October 03, 2016, 06:29:29 PM
His palms are sweaty, knees weak, arms are heavy
There's vomit on his armor already, Gambino's spaghetti
He's nervous, but on the surface he looks calm and ready to drop blows,
But he keeps on forgetting what he planned down,
The whole crowd goes so loud
He grits his teeth, but the legs won't move
He's choking how, everybody's joking now
The mercs run out, time's up, over, blaow!


 :ganishka: Back to the 8 Mile mercenary camp.
Title: Re: 2017 Berserk TV Series (Season 2)
Post by: Grail on October 03, 2016, 07:17:02 PM
His palms are sweaty, knees weak, arms are heavy
There's vomit on his armor already, Gambino's spaghetti
He's nervous, but on the surface he looks calm and ready to drop blows,
But he keeps on forgetting what he planned down,
The whole crowd goes so loud
He grits his teeth, but the legs won't move
He's choking how, everybody's joking now
The mercs run out, time's up, over, blaow!


Thank you for this gift. :judo:

Why can't Mad house make a Berserk anime?
I'm really worried about how they will ruin this arc

No need to worry about the how; just rest easy in the knowledge that they will ruin it. :casca:

But in all seriousness, it does break my heart that, as much as I love beautifully-adapted shows like One-Punch Man, Berserk can't seem to get the same love from a studio. Our favorite series gets shafted at every turn.
Title: Re: 2017 Berserk TV Series (Season 2)
Post by: JMP on October 03, 2016, 08:42:08 PM
His palms are sweaty, knees weak, arms are heavy
There's vomit on his armor already, Gambino's spaghetti
He's nervous, but on the surface he looks calm and ready to drop blows,
But he keeps on forgetting what he planned down,
The whole crowd goes so loud
He grits his teeth, but the legs won't move
He's choking how, everybody's joking now
The mercs run out, time's up, over, blaow!


 :ganishka: Oh my gosh! This made me laugh so hard! Picturing Guts doing rapper poses.

Here's one for you:
Guts! - He doesn't need his name up in lights
He just wants to swing his sword whether it's day or it's night
He feels so unlike everybody else, alone
In spite of the fact that some people still think that they know him
But fuck em, he knows the merc code
It's about the salary
It's all about reality and making some coin
Surviving the battle – making sure his flag stays up
That means not putting the sword down till the job is done! Let's go!

Concerning the anime, I can't believe there is going to be a season 2 of this mess. I won't be watching unless I hear good things, which sadly, I'm not expecting.
Title: Re: 2017 Berserk TV Series (Season 2)
Post by: DANGERDOOOOM on October 03, 2016, 09:01:55 PM
His palms are sweaty, knees weak, arms are heavy
There's vomit on his armor already, Gambino's spaghetti
He's nervous, but on the surface he looks calm and ready to drop blows,
But he keeps on forgetting what he planned down,
The whole crowd goes so loud
He grits his teeth, but the legs won't move
He's choking how, everybody's joking now
The mercs run out, time's up, over, blaow!


The Eminem is strong with this one!

:ganishka: Oh my gosh! This made me laugh so hard! Picturing Guts doing rapper poses.

For some reason I can only picture Guts using the 'Blue Steel' look from Zoolander haha

Here's one for you:
Guts! - He doesn't need his name up in lights
He just wants to swing his sword whether it's day or it's night
He feels so unlike everybody else, alone
In spite of the fact that some people still think that they know him
But fuck em, he knows the merc code
It's about the salary
It's all about reality and making some coin
Surviving the battle – making sure his flag stays up
That means not putting the sword down till the job is done! Let's go!

I like it a lot! Well done :guts:
Title: Re: 2017 Berserk TV Series (Season 2)
Post by: Demon Knight on October 04, 2016, 03:34:09 AM
I really don't want to see how this arc will be ruined
 I wish we won't have the limited  repeated soundtracks we have in the 2016 anime. The rock song and Guts and blood, hai yo in each episode over and over again.
Im not saying Hai yo is bad. But they used it way too much. And ash crow they used in the final epside should have been used in Griffith's birth
Title: Re: 2017 Berserk TV Series (Season 2)
Post by: ApostleBob on October 04, 2016, 03:36:50 AM
His palms are sweaty, knees weak, arms are heavy
There's vomit on his armor already, Gambino's spaghetti
He's nervous, but on the surface he looks calm and ready to drop blows,
But he keeps on forgetting what he planned down,
The whole crowd goes so loud
He grits his teeth, but the legs won't move
He's choking how, everybody's joking now
The mercs run out, time's up, over, blaow!


I don't think I've ever witnessed this side of Aaz. A welcome turn of events I'll say.  :ganishka:
Title: Re: 2017 Berserk TV Series (Season 2)
Post by: Pink-Dark-Boy on October 04, 2016, 12:15:43 PM
His palms are sweaty, knees weak, arms are heavy
There's vomit on his armor already, Gambino's spaghetti
He's nervous, but on the surface he looks calm and ready to drop blows,
But he keeps on forgetting what he planned down,
The whole crowd goes so loud
He grits his teeth, but the legs won't move
He's choking how, everybody's joking now
The mercs run out, time's up, over, blaow!


Excited to hear Guts' new album "Straight Outta Midland"  :ganishka:
Title: Re: 2017 Berserk TV Series (Season 2)
Post by: PENumber2 on October 04, 2016, 09:15:25 PM
His palms are sweaty, knees weak, arms are heavy
There's vomit on his armor already, Gambino's spaghetti
He's nervous, but on the surface he looks calm and ready to drop blows,
But he keeps on forgetting what he planned down,
The whole crowd goes so loud
He grits his teeth, but the legs won't move
He's choking how, everybody's joking now
The mercs run out, time's up, over, blaow!


That would make a great outtake. Remember how the 1997 series had outtakes. I wonder if this new series had any, or if they just left them in.
Title: Re: 2017 Berserk TV Series (Season 2)
Post by: Johnny Apples on October 06, 2016, 04:21:15 AM

His palms are sweaty, knees weak, arms are heavy
There's vomit on his armor already, Gambino's spaghetti
He's nervous, but on the surface he looks calm and ready to drop blows,
But he keeps on forgetting what he planned down,
The whole crowd goes so loud
He grits his teeth, but the legs won't move
He's choking how, everybody's joking now
The mercs run out, time's up, over, blaow!

Excited to hear Guts' new album "Straight Outta Midland"  :ganishka:

Straight Outta Wyndham [Extended Mix] by FWA



Falconz Wit' Attitudes!
Falconz Wit' Attitudes!
Falconz Wit' Attitudes!

When somethin' happens in the Kingdom of Midland? Nothing happens!! It's just another mercenary's dead...



I'm comin' straight outta Wyndham, crazy motherfucker named Griffith
From a gang called Falconz Wit' Attitudes
When I'm called off, with my crossbow
Squeeze the trigger, and bodies are hauled off
You too, boy, if you fuck with me
Black Dog Knights gonna have to come get me
Thru the Eclipse - that's how I'm goin' out
The King's teen daughter, her hymen I'm knockin' out
The Bakiraka wanna fuck around with us
But we chop off their limbs and fry 'em into kebabs
Goin' off on a Kushan like that
Leavin' his turban head severed on the floor
And once more
I'll leave you one-eyed and turn your girl into my hoe
Here's my murder rap to keep you mellow
With a crime record like Dahmer (http://murderpedia.org/male.D/d/dahmer-jeffrey.htm)&Chikatilo (http://murderpedia.org/male.C/c/chikatilo.htm) 
Captain Guts was my tool
For killing kids young enough for pre-school
Me and Casca go toe to toe, no "maybe"
I'm poundin' her uterus daily
Yo, weekly, monthly and yearly
Until them dumb muthafuckas see clearly
That I'm now down with Nosferatu Z-O-D-D
Boy, you can't fuck with me
So when I'm in your village
You better duck
'Cause Griffith is crazy as fuck
As I leave, Skull Knight's corpse I'm stompin'
But when I come back, boy... I'm comin' straight outta Wyndham  :femto:

Title: Re: 2017 Berserk TV Series (Season 2)
Post by: DANGERDOOOOM on October 06, 2016, 11:41:46 PM
This season 2 discussion has gone on a full blown rap battle status.
Title: Re: 2017 Berserk TV Series (Season 2)
Post by: Atma on October 09, 2016, 09:20:04 AM
I also remember seeing 24 or 26 episodes from a few sources up until the first few weeks of the new adaptation, lets hope this means they scrapped the latter half to do a better production. 

 
Title: Re: 2017 Berserk TV Series (Season 2)
Post by: Aazealh on October 09, 2016, 09:59:31 AM
I also remember seeing 24 or 26 episodes from a few sources up until the first few weeks of the new adaptation, lets hope this means they scrapped the latter half to do a better production.

No, that was just bogus information from clueless people. The plan was to do 12 episodes from the beginning, as one of the producers confirmed.
Title: Re: 2017 Berserk TV Series (Season 2)
Post by: Demon Knight on October 09, 2016, 02:40:19 PM
I think Berserk actually needs to be 30 or 40 min length of episode.
Or if they are going to do 20 mins they should do nearly 30 episode at least.

Title: Re: 2017 Berserk TV Series (Season 2)
Post by: Gamehowitzer on October 09, 2016, 04:40:10 PM
I think Berserk actually needs to be 30 or 40 min length of episode.
Or if they are going to do 20 mins they should do nearly 30 episode at least.
I hadn't thought of that. That certainly SOUNDS good for berserk, however for TV anime purposes i don't think they would ever do that. Correct me if i'm wrong, i don't know if they have EVER done that.
Title: Re: 2017 Berserk TV Series (Season 2)
Post by: Eluvei on October 09, 2016, 06:41:39 PM
I can't even imagine how the show would look if they decided they were producing twice the amount of content with the same budget and talent they had in the first season.
Title: Re: 2017 Berserk TV Series (Season 2)
Post by: Kaladin on October 10, 2016, 06:09:04 PM
it would probably cost them a shit ton to get an hour slot on whichever channel they're on too
Title: Re: 2017 Berserk TV Series (Season 2)
Post by: Aazealh on October 10, 2016, 06:11:54 PM
I don't see the point in entertaining these fanciful ideas. It's just not going to happen.
Title: Re: 2017 Berserk TV Series (Season 2)
Post by: Walter on January 05, 2017, 05:19:08 PM
(http://www.skullknight.net/images/eclipse2017.png)
  Source: http://berserk-anime.com/special/04event.html#vse

A preliminary screening of the new animation series will debut at a special live event in Tokyo on April 2 . The Eclipse 2017 — Sacrificial Feast (蝕2017 ~生贄たちの宴~) will feature voice actors from the show, along with a live performance by Susumu Hirasawa. It will also "stimulate the five senses." Who's up for some Berserk-themed escargot (http://skullknight.net/images/count.png)?

An April screening could place the premiere soon afterwards.

So who's excited?!  :guts:
Title: Re: 2017 Berserk TV Series (Season 2)
Post by: DANGERDOOOOM on January 05, 2017, 05:50:42 PM
A preliminary screening of the new animation series will debut at a special live event in Tokyo on April 2 . The Eclipse 2017 — Sacrificial Feast (蝕2017 ~生贄たちの宴~)

If I didn't know any better, I'd say this sounds like a trap from the God Hand :griffnotevil:

I almost forgot about the anime. I refuse to get overly excited about this. My wounds have not healed properly yet.
Title: Re: 2017 Berserk TV Series (Season 2)
Post by: Walter on January 05, 2017, 05:52:42 PM
I almost forgot about the anime.

No joke, same. Reading this thing, I seriously thought: "Where did the last one end...?" It seems that my brain has quarantined the experience.
Title: Re: 2017 Berserk TV Series (Season 2)
Post by: Kaladin on January 05, 2017, 07:51:38 PM
I'm excited for the Hirasawa performance. i see the name 9mm parabellum bullet up there again... :schierke: will they be doing a new opening or some one as first season? i hated that opening.
Title: Re: 2017 Berserk TV Series (Season 2)
Post by: DANGERDOOOOM on January 05, 2017, 07:59:16 PM
I'm excited for the Hirasawa performance. i see the name 9mm parabellum bullet up there again... :schierke: will they be doing a new opening or some one as first season? i hated that opening.

Hirasawa should be an amazing show as always. He's such a genius when it comes to his music. I didn't mind the 9mm song opening for the anime. I do hope they change up the animation in the opening. Scrap the old one, make a new one. But I'm sure they won't.
Title: Re: 2017 Berserk TV Series (Season 2)
Post by: jackson_hurley on January 06, 2017, 01:22:08 PM

So who's excited?!  :guts:

I am. But probably not for the reasons you'll think.  :guts:

I'm excited because a) we'll get something to Watch while the new episodes come out (even if it's just to bable against the show) and b) when we get news about the animation it means we're getting closer to get to the real deal aka the new episodes!

I'm so anxious to see the next one. That last page got me thirsty for more Berserk.

Hail Miura Hail Berserk!  :serpico:
Title: Re: 2017 Berserk TV Series (Season 2)
Post by: Sancho on January 06, 2017, 08:22:58 PM
So who's excited?!  :guts:

Despite having very low expectation, after the poor job made with the previous season, i confess i'm nevertheless excited to see in animation scenes of the likes of Guts vs Zodd and the meeting with Griffith on the Hill of the Swords, the "confrontation" in the Qliphot with Slan, or the Berserk armor in action against Grunbeld. The Falcon of the Millennium Empire arc has so much memorable events to show that i can't help but be a bit excited and hyped.
 
And, if possible, i hope they'll do a good thorough job with the flashback of Farnese and Serpico, it's a very important section of the story and there's so much to show about it that i think an entire anime episode should be necessary to give it enough justice, although i somewhat doubt they're going to dedicate so much just for a flashback  :schierke:

Anyway, i thought that the manga serialization would be resumed about at the same time of the TV series for marketing reasons, if only a preliminary screening is set for april i hope that doesn't mean the manga too will be delayed.
Title: Re: 2017 Berserk TV Series (Season 2)
Post by: Walter on January 06, 2017, 08:27:43 PM
i hope they'll do a good thorough job with the flashback of Farnese and Serpico, it's a very important section of the story and there's so much to show about it that i think an entire anime episode should be necessary to give it enough justice, although i somewhat doubt they're going to dedicate so much just for a flashback  :schierke:

It'll get cut  :farnese:

Quote
Anyway, i thought that the manga serialization would be resumed about at the same time of the TV series for marketing reasons, if only a preliminary screening is set for april i hope that doesn't mean the manga too will be delayed.

Not sure what you mean by delayed. The only indication we have of when it will resume is "Early 2017." And it's only a supposition that the manga relaunch will coincide with the anime's new season.
Title: Re: 2017 Berserk TV Series (Season 2)
Post by: Sancho on January 06, 2017, 09:25:56 PM
It'll get cut  :farnese:

Probably  :ganishka:  But the director changed, if he's more competent than the previous he could manage to compress all that in half episode, at least to have their past mentioned, and if he's really good (I was hoping the same for the previous season  :ganishka:) also to make it somewhat satisfyng.

it's only a supposition that the manga relaunch will coincide with the anime's new season.

Let's hope it won't, last year the manga resumed from hiatus at June, few days before the launch of the 1st season, and the 2nd will probably begin at May-June. By "early 2017" i hope it won't be after march-april.
Title: Re: 2017 Berserk TV Series (Season 2)
Post by: Sareth on January 08, 2017, 03:13:34 AM
It'll get cut  :farnese:
Or we'll be given some rushed, nonsensical mess slapped onto the end of an episode again. :schierke: The director clearly has no clue how to handle Farnese, he seemed to prioritize Nina over her.
Title: Re: 2017 Berserk TV Series (Season 2)
Post by: RaffoBaffo on January 08, 2017, 04:33:01 PM
I'm excited.
Because probably in the same period the Manga will restart.

And that's all the hype I have for the Anime.
Title: Re: 2017 Berserk TV Series (Season 2)
Post by: Aazealh on January 08, 2017, 08:22:42 PM
The Falcon of the Millennium Empire arc

It's called the Millennium Falcon arc.
Title: Re: 2017 Berserk TV Series (Season 2)
Post by: Jettatore on January 16, 2017, 01:31:53 PM
I wish for a new Susumu Hirasawa song for the second season, or at least I wish the studio use Sign.
Title: Re: 2017 Berserk TV Series (Season 2)
Post by: DANGERDOOOOM on January 16, 2017, 08:36:16 PM
I wish for a new Susumu Hirasawa song for the second season, or at least I wish the studio use Sign.

Nah. Get used to HAI YOOOOOOOOOO
Title: Re: 2017 Berserk TV Series (Season 2)
Post by: Grail on January 16, 2017, 08:41:42 PM
Kind of hoping that they stick with the same song for season 2. Fewer Hirasawa songs getting ruined that way. :slan:
Title: Re: 2017 Berserk TV Series (Season 2)
Post by: Delta Phi on January 17, 2017, 12:20:17 AM
Hopefully they'll use Oh Ashes more judiciously in this next season. And maybe Sagisu's music will make more sense...or you know, actually work (I still can't get over that Griffith reveal all these months later).
Title: Re: 2017 Berserk TV Series (Season 2)
Post by: Sareth on January 17, 2017, 02:43:20 AM
Hopefully they'll use Oh Ashes more judiciously in this next season. And maybe Sagisu's music will make more sense...or you know, actually work (I still can't get over that Griffith reveal all these months later).

That scene was so stupid and hilarious. For those few seconds of silence I thought, "Oh? Oh! They're actually going to try to treat a moment seriously?"

BIG DUMB GUITAR RIFF

"... are you fucking kidding me..."


I don't think that I will be fully prepared for the incompetence on display in Season 2. Guts versus Babe the Blue Ox Zodd is going to look like total shit unless the director can figure out how to do action scenes. And I'm already cringing at the thought of the troll cave. I'm going to be so pissed if they make me laugh like they did with the possessed horse.
Title: Re: 2017 Berserk TV Series (Season 2)
Post by: Gamehowitzer on January 26, 2017, 04:00:27 AM
So do we know how far the 2nd season is supposed to cover up to?
Title: Re: 2017 Berserk TV Series (Season 2)
Post by: Walter on January 26, 2017, 04:03:24 AM
So do we know how far the 2nd season is supposed to cover up to?

Here's literally all we know for sure about the next season:


(http://www.skullknight.net/images/ep12-3.jpg)
Title: Re: 2017 Berserk TV Series (Season 2)
Post by: Cyrus Jong on January 26, 2017, 05:00:19 AM
So do we know how far the 2nd season is supposed to cover up to?

We don't know for sure, just that the Berserker Armor will make an appearance. Assuming of course, the show doesn't get cancelled halfway through due to poor ratings as viewers burned from last season decide not to tune in. Keeps fingers crossed.

If I were to make a guess as to where the endpoint would be, then I'd say it would be when Guts and company flee Flora's home about a third of the way through v27. The first season roughly covered five volumes of material (17-21) plus about the last third of v16. Since that endpoint means they would have to cover about the same amount of material give or take (volumes 22-26, plus the first third of v27), I'd say it's a good estimate. But don't quote me on this.
Title: Re: 2017 Berserk TV Series (Season 2)
Post by: jackson_hurley on January 26, 2017, 01:16:54 PM

If I were to make a guess as to where the endpoint would be, then I'd say it would be when Guts and company flee Flora's home about a third of the way through v27. The first season roughly covered five volumes of material (17-21) plus about the last third of v16. Since that endpoint means they would have to cover about the same amount of material give or take (volumes 22-26, plus the first third of v27), I'd say it's a good estimate. But don't quote me on this.

This is pretty similar to what I had guessed. We'll know soon enough anyway. I just hope they got to take more time on this one and not have it rushed like last season. I liked some episodes (mostly entertained during the entire season even though I swore a lot while watching it) but some parts were very terrible.

One can dream right?
Title: Re: 2017 Berserk TV Series (Season 2)
Post by: Delta Phi on January 27, 2017, 05:00:14 AM
Shamelessly dropping off info found on Reddit: https://twitter.com/berserk_anime/status/824792834297323521

Looks like the anime is to resume in April with a preview of sorts on May March 3rd. Official dates will be posted on the website (of course).
Title: Re: 2017 Berserk TV Series (Season 2)
Post by: __Bonfire__ on January 27, 2017, 09:01:44 PM
MAY preview??  :rickert:
Title: Re: 2017 Berserk TV Series (Season 2)
Post by: Walter on January 27, 2017, 09:10:00 PM
Looks like the anime is to resume in April with a preview of sorts on May 3rd. Official dates will be posted on the website (of course).
MAY preview??  :rickert:

I think Delta meant March 3rd actually. But I think it's not so much a preview, and more likely a rebroadcast of the first season, based on info here:

Quote from: http://www.wowow.co.jp/detail/110351/-/01
Looking back on the special digest video together with the cast members in the first phase of the 12th episode of the first phase, the second phase of television animation of the strongest dark fantasy "Berserk" that begins in April is finished.

And here's an Anime News Network article with not much more info: http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2017-01-27/berserk-tv-anime-next-arc-premieres-in-april/.111524

Note that the ANN article lists the staff from the 2016 adaptation. But that's conjecture. We still don't know for sure if these are the same people on the new season. It's LIKELY to be the case, but I think there's an opportunity them to switch up the director and a few other key people. Or just stick with the exact same team and hope for the best... Yaaaaay.
Title: Re: 2017 Berserk TV Series (Season 2)
Post by: Delta Phi on January 28, 2017, 12:07:20 AM
MAY preview??  :rickert:

:schnoz: Whoops!

I think Delta meant March 3rd actually.

Indeed I meant March (3/3)
Title: Re: 2017 Berserk TV Series (Season 2)
Post by: Gamehowitzer on February 05, 2017, 08:21:47 AM
March 3rd? Is that day some kind of holiday? Lets see, nintendo switch, the new wolverine movie and now some type of berserk thing?
Title: Re: 2017 Berserk TV Series (Season 2)
Post by: Walter on February 06, 2017, 02:24:22 AM
and now some type of berserk thing?

I mean, it's just going to be a repeat of the 2016 series. Not exactly something to bring out the party hats for.  :void:
Title: Re: 2017 Berserk TV Series (Season 2)
Post by: Gamehowitzer on February 15, 2017, 08:54:32 PM
well ok. march 3 is a friday so i guess that makes sense.
Title: Re: 2017 Berserk TV Series (Season 2)
Post by: Hitoshura on February 20, 2017, 12:57:40 AM
https://twitter.com/berserk_anime/status/833482984984498176
http://berserk-anime.com/news/index00890000.html

Staff & Cast revealed along with a character visual of Berserker Armor Guts.
(http://i.imgur.com/qzRyYbh.jpg)

Title: Re: 2017 Berserk TV Series (Season 2)
Post by: DANGERDOOOOM on February 20, 2017, 01:08:26 AM
https://twitter.com/berserk_anime/status/833482984984498176
http://berserk-anime.com/news/index00890000.html

Staff & Cast revealed along with a character visual of Berserker Armor Guts.
(http://i.imgur.com/qzRyYbh.jpg)

Looks like a fan art...

Not saying it doesn't look good, but I won't be impressed until I see it in full motion.

And why aren't we seeing a voice actor for Grunbeld? Something tells me this is some sort of omen. :magni:
Title: Re: 2017 Berserk TV Series (Season 2)
Post by: Walter on February 20, 2017, 01:42:23 AM
https://twitter.com/berserk_anime/status/833482984984498176
http://berserk-anime.com/news/index00890000.html


Thanks. That's the same staff as the 2016 crew, at least insofar as where it counts: Director, 3D modeling, story...  :schierke:
Title: Re: 2017 Berserk TV Series (Season 2)
Post by: Cyrus Jong on February 20, 2017, 04:47:26 AM
Looks like a fan art...

Not saying it doesn't look good, but I won't be impressed until I see it in full motion.

And why aren't we seeing a voice actor for Grunbeld? Something tells me this is some sort of omen. :magni:
I bet you still won't be impressed once you do see it in full motion.

As for Grunbeld's absence, it's possible they just didn't consider him an important-enough character to consider listing him in the cast here. However, being as he plays a major part in the debut of the Berserker Armor, which they're so far banking all their promotion of the series on, I agree that it's a bad sign. Wouldn't be surprised if they just omitted him entirely or turned him into a voiceless grunt.
Title: Re: 2017 Berserk TV Series (Season 2)
Post by: DANGERDOOOOM on February 20, 2017, 01:58:00 PM
I bet you still won't be impressed once you do see it in full motion.

As for Grunbeld's absence, it's possible they just didn't consider him an important-enough character to consider listing him in the cast here. However, being as he plays a major part in the debut of the Berserker Armor, which they're so far banking all their promotion of the series on, I agree that it's a bad sign. Wouldn't be surprised if they just omitted him entirely or turned him into a voiceless grunt.

My money is on Guts fighting the snake apostle.
Title: Re: 2017 Berserk TV Series (Season 2)
Post by: Jettatore on February 20, 2017, 10:35:19 PM
Same director? Well, no more hope for a better season.
Title: Re: 2017 Berserk TV Series (Season 2)
Post by: Hitoshura on February 27, 2017, 12:36:25 AM
New season 2 key visual. Airs on April 7th. http://berserk-anime.com/news/index00920000.html
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C5omMO2UwAELL0U.jpg)
Title: Re: 2017 Berserk TV Series (Season 2)
Post by: Nothingwillbewong on February 27, 2017, 12:40:28 AM
New season 2 key visual
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C5omMO2UwAELL0U.jpg)

Oh god Casca's face and Isidro's tongue looks like it was just pasted in there after they drew a serious pose. Atleast farnese's outfit isnt screaming bright pink...
Title: Re: 2017 Berserk TV Series (Season 2)
Post by: Sareth on February 27, 2017, 12:50:27 AM
Atleast farnese's outfit isnt screaming bright pink...

Thankfully. I was worried they were going to use that same god-awful pink they used for her HICKs amour.

I can't believe how much these promos look like fan art  :ganishka: Fucking hell
Title: Re: 2017 Berserk TV Series (Season 2)
Post by: Demon Knight on February 27, 2017, 01:32:43 AM
Honestly and "sadly"

This is my favorite arc of Berserk and Im not even excited about this anime... because i know the animation will be a mess not to mention how they will ruin the story telling.
I just hate it TOO MUCH how this masterpeice manga doesn't get justice treatment...
And just by seeing that poster. It really does look like a fanart. Isidro's tongue looks way too random

The Berserk MUSOU animation poster looks far far better than this.



The only way to make a good Berserk series to me is making it OVA..
Title: Re: 2017 Berserk TV Series (Season 2)
Post by: DANGERDOOOOM on February 27, 2017, 03:54:35 AM
New season 2 key visual. Airs on April 7th. http://berserk-anime.com/news/index00920000.html
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C5omMO2UwAELL0U.jpg)

Woof... so many things wrong with this.

Schierke's eyes look to be too far spaced apart.
Serpico became Roronoa Zoro after the 2-Year time skip.
They did such an amazing job on Isidro's face, that I could hardly recognize him. Wow, such talent.
Casca just looks odd.

And as for Farnese and Guts? Eh. I've seen better.

Again, I won't fully throw away this season's potential until I witness the first 5 minutes of the first episode. :puck:
Title: Re: 2017 Berserk TV Series (Season 2)
Post by: ApostleBob on February 27, 2017, 06:18:29 AM
This thing looks like a first draft. Ugh. I fully expect this to end after the Grunbeld fight. No way this season gets to Ganishka.
Title: Re: 2017 Berserk TV Series (Season 2)
Post by: RaffoBaffo on February 27, 2017, 09:52:24 AM
New season 2 key visual. Airs on April 7th
April 7th.
It's a Friday.
A "YA relase" Friday

 :schnoz:
Title: Re: 2017 Berserk TV Series (Season 2)
Post by: Sweet Prince on February 27, 2017, 10:09:33 AM
I'm excited for the Hirasawa performance. i see the name 9mm parabellum bullet up there again... :schierke: will they be doing a new opening or some one as first season? i hated that opening.

The opening is one of the few things I like about the 2016 anime. I'm surprised at the somewhat negative/muted response to it here on SK.net. Sure, 9mm Parabellum Bullet don't have that same je ne sais quoi as Susumu Hirasawa, but 'Inferno' fits the spirit of the series, IMHO... and the riffs are tasty as fuck.

Each to their own.  :badbone:
Title: Re: 2017 Berserk TV Series (Season 2)
Post by: Demon Knight on February 27, 2017, 10:11:56 AM
I would like to see Susumu Hirasawa opening. And I would prefer an opening with SIGN.

At least Susumu Hirasawa opening song will make this anime a bit better.

I didnt like the 2016 opening song. It just doesnt fit the dark world of BERSERK
Title: Re: 2017 Berserk TV Series (Season 2)
Post by: Walter on February 27, 2017, 10:59:22 AM
New season 2 key visual. Airs on April 7th. http://berserk-anime.com/news/index00920000.html

Thanks! Not very impressed by the visual. Looks like they tried to emulate Vol 25's cover (http://www.skullknight.net/encyclopedia/merchandise/manga/images/25high.jpg), but made it shitty in the process.

I'll be very interested to see if Crunchyroll picks up this new season. Could be a good indicator of how it did financially for them, if they're willing to go at it again.

Quote from: AnimeNewsNetwork
Susumu Hirasawa's "Hai yo" and "Ash Crow" songs return as insert songs for the anime.

 :ganishka: ...  :sad:

Also from that story, confirmed that it's the exact same staff as the previous season. Thus no reason to expect a change in its quality.

The opening is one of the few things I like about the 2016 anime. I'm surprised at the somewhat negative/muted response to it here on SK.net.

I was pretty vocal about how I liked the opening, actually. It was indeed probably the thing I liked the most about the 2016 series.

April 7th.
It's a Friday.
A "YA relase" Friday

 :schnoz:

No, YA always releases on the second and fourth Fridays of each month. By that schedule, the first YA of the month will release on April 14. Though, if they're doing the co-marketing scheme again, it's entirely possible we'll get 348 on March 24, in the previous issue.
Title: Re: 2017 Berserk TV Series (Season 2)
Post by: Griffith on February 27, 2017, 02:49:38 PM
I've been waiting a long time to see the Berserk's Armor in action outside of a video game... but seriously, is it that bad? I know I've been assured it is, and I still haven't gotten past the opening of the first episode, but beyond that, we're just being hypercritical fans and it's really not that unwatchable, right?? I want to watch Berserk anime but not have it hurt. :sad:
Title: Re: 2017 Berserk TV Series (Season 2)
Post by: Walter on February 27, 2017, 03:02:33 PM
I've been waiting a long time to see the Berserk's Armor in action outside of a video game... but seriously, is it that bad? I know I've been assured it is, and I still haven't gotten past the opening of the first episode, but beyond that, we're just being hypercritical fans and it's really not that unwatchable, right?? I want to watch Berserk anime but not have it hurt. :sad:

It's the worst thing with Berserk's name on it.
Title: Re: 2017 Berserk TV Series (Season 2)
Post by: Salem on February 27, 2017, 03:55:04 PM
I've been waiting a long time to see the Berserk's Armor in action outside of a video game... but seriously, is it that bad? I know I've been assured it is, and I still haven't gotten past the opening of the first episode, but beyond that, we're just being hypercritical fans and it's really not that unwatchable, right?? I want to watch Berserk anime but not have it hurt. :sad:

I'd put forth an argument that the new games version of the conviction arc is equally, if not more awful. Though as it stands there is little point in picking your better poison.  It's sad that the only things outside manga I've experienced since becoming a fan have been very uninspiring. Now ten years. 
Title: Re: 2017 Berserk TV Series (Season 2)
Post by: __Bonfire__ on February 27, 2017, 04:22:36 PM
That art is very average... About 9mm... Is it a new song? Coz I heard they're using the same Hirasawa song, hai yo... At this point t I expect this season to be even worse than the last.
Title: Re: 2017 Berserk TV Series (Season 2)
Post by: Walter on February 27, 2017, 04:27:56 PM
That art is very average... About 9mm... Is it a new song?

Yes, in the Anime News Network article, they say it's called Sacrifice.
Title: Re: 2017 Berserk TV Series (Season 2)
Post by: jackson_hurley on February 27, 2017, 05:18:09 PM
I don't think it was mentioned but is it safe to say we'll be able to Watch it on crunchyroll again?

I'll enjoy it for what it is ; a cheap animation while I wait for the real deal anyway. It'll give me something to complain about.
Title: Re: 2017 Berserk TV Series (Season 2)
Post by: Sareth on February 27, 2017, 05:39:59 PM
I'll enjoy it for what it is ; a cheap animation while I wait for the real deal anyway. It'll give me something to complain about.

Basically why I stuck it out through last season. Even if the second season sucks I can at least have fun shitting on it.
Title: Re: 2017 Berserk TV Series (Season 2)
Post by: jackson_hurley on February 27, 2017, 05:43:40 PM
Basically why I stuck it out through last season. Even if the second season sucks I can at least have fun shitting on it.

My sentiments exactly. Still fun to see what they'll do with it (or should I say how they'll mess it up).

It'll fall in my I-have-nothing-to-do-let's-Watch-it list as with the Dragon ball super. (Reminiscing my past here)
Title: Re: 2017 Berserk TV Series (Season 2)
Post by: Cyrus Jong on February 27, 2017, 06:12:15 PM
The opening is one of the few things I like about the 2016 anime. I'm surprised at the somewhat negative/muted response to it here on SK.net. Sure, 9mm Parabellum Bullet don't have that same je ne sais quoi as Susumu Hirasawa, but 'Inferno' fits the spirit of the series, IMHO... and the riffs are tasty as fuck.
I didn't care for that song. The vocalist with the energetic high-pitched voice didn't do it for me. It wasn't a good match for Berserk IMO, and neither was the peppy rock tune that accompanied it. The lyrics try to paint a bleak picture, but it doesn't work when the song just sounds so damn happy and excited, and I'm very certain that wasn't done to be ironic.
Title: Re: 2017 Berserk TV Series (Season 2)
Post by: residentgrigo on February 27, 2017, 07:02:51 PM
I canīt believe how downright ugly the key art looks but the team is at least not making empty promises of possible quality. I am still no sure if i will even watch the pilot, but i will lol pretty hard if the show somehow got worse. They are even adapting my favorite arc. Another reason not to tune in, as the PS2 game did a fine job with their take.
Title: Re: 2017 Berserk TV Series (Season 2)
Post by: DANGERDOOOOM on February 27, 2017, 09:47:14 PM
This thing looks like a first draft. Ugh. I fully expect this to end after the Grunbeld fight. No way this season gets to Ganishka.

There's always season 3 :serpico:
Title: Re: 2017 Berserk TV Series (Season 2)
Post by: Sweet Prince on February 28, 2017, 08:47:54 AM
I would prefer an opening with SIGN.

TBH, I'd prefer that, too.

I was pretty vocal about how I liked the opening, actually. It was indeed probably the thing I liked the most about the 2016 series.

My bad.  :farnese: I could've perhaps benefitted from more liberal use of the search function before generalising. At least I'm not alone in my appreciation!
Title: Re: 2017 Berserk TV Series (Season 2)
Post by: Mangetsu on February 28, 2017, 02:18:33 PM
Looks like dogshit
Title: Re: 2017 Berserk TV Series (Season 2)
Post by: Aazealh on March 01, 2017, 08:44:11 PM
It's sad that the only things outside manga I've experienced since becoming a fan have been very uninspiring. Now ten years.

Indeed...
Title: Re: 2017 Berserk TV Series (Season 2)
Post by: Hitoshura on March 03, 2017, 08:49:36 AM
Season 2 comments from Miura, Director, and a few cast members.  http://berserk-anime.com/special/comment01.html
Title: Re: 2017 Berserk TV Series (Season 2)
Post by: Tama on March 03, 2017, 12:07:21 PM
It's sad, I just can't get excited for this. I feel like the first season of the 2016 anime just sucked the life out of it. I feel like if I ever show anyone an adaption of Berserk besides the manga, it will be the 97 version once again. I'm hoping that they at least fixed a few of the problems, like the  horrendous CGI, inappropriate music placement and sound effects, and just poor story telling. From the looks of what others are saying, it's probably going to be the same.  :judo:

(Also what's up with the promo poster? The art for season 1 looked better, and that's saying something... ugh).
Title: Re: 2017 Berserk TV Series (Season 2)
Post by: Sareth on March 04, 2017, 07:08:55 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D1O5us-PLc0

Here's a video from the anime's website condensing the first season. Some of the animation had been altered (the 2D around Griffith's return has been smoothed and the fixed Serpico's run to catch up with Farnese, all I could tell) but it still looks like ass.
Title: Re: 2017 Berserk TV Series (Season 2)
Post by: DANGERDOOOOM on March 04, 2017, 05:55:21 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D1O5us-PLc0

Here's a video from the anime's website condensing the first season. Some of the animation had been altered (the 2D around Griffith's return has been smoothed and the fixed Serpico's run to catch up with Farnese, all I could tell) but it still looks like ass.

Kill it with fire! :magni:
Title: Re: 2017 Berserk TV Series (Season 2)
Post by: Gamehowitzer on March 05, 2017, 04:03:55 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D1O5us-PLc0

Here's a video from the anime's website condensing the first season. Some of the animation had been altered (the 2D around Griffith's return has been smoothed and the fixed Serpico's run to catch up with Farnese, all I could tell) but it still looks like ass.

Oh look, Guts actually looks like guts at this moment https://youtu.be/D1O5us-PLc0?t=1360 .
Same video but near the end at 22:40.

Sadly that's the only positive i have to say on that video lol
Title: Re: 2017 Berserk TV Series (Season 2)
Post by: DANGERDOOOOM on March 05, 2017, 08:15:33 PM

Oh look, Guts actually looks like guts at this moment https://youtu.be/D1O5us-PLc0?t=1360 .
Same video but near the end at 22:40.

Sadly that's the only positive i have to say on that video lol

Yeah, these animators have an awesome talent at tracing actual drawings from the manga. :schierke:
Title: Re: 2017 Berserk TV Series (Season 2)
Post by: Gamehowitzer on March 06, 2017, 01:15:08 AM
Yeah, these animators have an awesome talent at tracing actual drawings from the manga. :schierke:
Is that what they did? Yeeshh...
Title: Re: 2017 Berserk TV Series (Season 2)
Post by: Cyrus Jong on March 06, 2017, 01:45:13 AM
That is one polished turd. Griffith's reveal is still as obnoxious as ever. It's a real sad state of affairs at how much better the Musou game handled that scene (https://youtu.be/gRZEU9tJ65I?t=112).

Is that what they did? Yeeshh...
A lot of the half-decent 2D shots from the anime are little more than barely-animated line-by-line panel recreations from the manga with color added. So whenever I hear someone say "Well, at least the 2D parts looked good," I really want to bang my head on the wall.
Title: Re: 2017 Berserk TV Series (Season 2)
Post by: Gamehowitzer on March 06, 2017, 04:48:58 AM
That is one polished turd. Griffith's reveal is still as obnoxious as ever. It's a real sad state of affairs at how much better the Musou game handled that scene (https://youtu.be/gRZEU9tJ65I?t=112).
A lot of the half-decent 2D shots from the anime are little more than barely-animated line-by-line panel recreations from the manga with color added. So whenever I hear someone say "Well, at least the 2D parts looked good," I really want to bang my head on the wall.
Well then. Sounds like berserk 2017 will be a bust too.
Title: Re: 2017 Berserk TV Series (Season 2)
Post by: Salem on March 07, 2017, 01:04:41 PM
Teaser


https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ImzOBnMhUho&feature=youtu.be
Title: Re: 2017 Berserk TV Series (Season 2)
Post by: Walter on March 07, 2017, 01:36:30 PM
Teaser


https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ImzOBnMhUho&feature=youtu.be

(http://www.skullknight.net/images/berserk-s2.jpg)

(http://www.skullknight.net/images/gutsbarf.gif)
Title: Re: 2017 Berserk TV Series (Season 2)
Post by: jackson_hurley on March 07, 2017, 01:44:43 PM
I've seen Guts in better shape to be honest...  :judo:
Title: Re: 2017 Berserk TV Series (Season 2)
Post by: Salem on March 07, 2017, 01:53:38 PM
Yup.  I'm hesitant, but that Guts looks worse in my opinion.  Is that his arm or leg?  That straight line down the middle quite honestly makes me think my lack of artistic ability could give them a fight.
Title: Re: 2017 Berserk TV Series (Season 2)
Post by: jackson_hurley on March 07, 2017, 02:01:10 PM
As weird and horrifying as it looks, let's not forget that it's a still frame. Sometimes I find it's not worth to stop and analyse each frame. It doesn't excuse the lack of effortfrom the animation team but I find it less painful for my eyes when I don't pay too much attention to these details.
Title: Re: 2017 Berserk TV Series (Season 2)
Post by: Walter on March 07, 2017, 02:03:40 PM
As weird and horrifying as it looks, let's not forget that it's a still frame. Sometimes I find it's not worth to stop and analyse each frame. It doesn't excuse the lack of effortfrom the animation team but I find it less painful for my eyes when I don't pay too much attention to these details.

Well, it looked horrible in motion too. That's why I bothered capturing it. I just didn't feel like making an animated GIF. Furthermore, it looks exactly like the first season. No improvement in either character resemblance or visual fidelity. Flat cel-shaded shit.
Title: Re: 2017 Berserk TV Series (Season 2)
Post by: jackson_hurley on March 07, 2017, 02:14:10 PM
Well, it looked horrible in motion too. That's why I bothered capturing it. I just didn't feel like making an animated GIF. Furthermore, it looks exactly like the first season. No improvement in either character resemblance or visual fidelity. Flat cel-shaded shit.

Don't worry I wasn't blaming you or anything and I totally agree with you. I don't think we can expect a lot of improvement anyway (if improvement at all) I'm just not gonna base my opinion on this teaser that has a low quality in the first place (well at least from where I've seen it).

By the way Walter, what do you think of the small glimpse of Griffith riding Zodd's hand? It seemed okay at a quick glance but with all we've seen so far I'm not sure what to say about it.

Maybe one day we'll get something nice for an adaptation. If for some luck I win the lottery I,ll create an animation studio just for that and get you guys on board to make a real nice adaptation.  :ganishka:
Title: Re: 2017 Berserk TV Series (Season 2)
Post by: Walter on March 07, 2017, 02:18:42 PM
I'm just not gonna base my opinion on this teaser that has a low quality in the first place (well at least from where I've seen it).

Good point, it's low res and cropped for maximum shittiness.

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By the way Walter, what do you think of the small glimpse of Griffith riding Zodd's hand? It seemed okay at a quick glance but with all we've seen so far I'm not sure what to say about it.
That looked good! But only by comparison.  :griffnotevil: Zodd's still the wrong color (as if they based it off of Vol 34's cover, with its unique lighting). But if they could pull anything from the entire Hill of Swords sequence, why not pair it with any other shot of Guts?
Title: Re: 2017 Berserk TV Series (Season 2)
Post by: jackson_hurley on March 07, 2017, 02:25:21 PM
Good point, it's low res and cropped for maximum shittiness.
That looked good! But only by comparison.  :griffnotevil: Zodd's still the wrong color (as if they based it off of Vol 34's cover, with its unique lighting). But if they could pull anything from the entire Hill of Swords sequence, why not pair it with any other shot of Guts?

Haha true. I was wondering actually what was happening with Zodd. I'm at work so I have to Watch it on my iPad. But I asked myself the same thing. It quickly looks like it's the part when Guts is gonna run straight for Griffith when they meet again. But still, like you said, they could have showed a better shot of him. Oh well, I guess we can't have all we want, right?
Title: Re: 2017 Berserk TV Series (Season 2)
Post by: Hitoshura on March 07, 2017, 02:44:01 PM
Teaser


https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ImzOBnMhUho&feature=youtu.be
(http://i.imgur.com/PWg2bCq.gif)
Title: Re: 2017 Berserk TV Series (Season 2)
Post by: DANGERDOOOOM on March 07, 2017, 06:47:20 PM
Teaser


https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ImzOBnMhUho&feature=youtu.be
(http://skullknight.net/images/guts-barf1.gif)
Title: Re: 2017 Berserk TV Series (Season 2)
Post by: Jemuller on March 09, 2017, 02:30:58 PM
Here is the Titles for the upcoming 5 episodes of Season 2:


#13 ほころぶ世界

#14 冬の旅路

#15 飛剣の御旗

#16 獣鬼の森

#17 幽界-かくりよ


Well, as it shows, they are NOT putting much effort on it (none at all).

As in Season 1 - this "continuation" takes episodes titles from the manga as titles for their respective "adaptated versions".  :schnoz: :troll:

AND, as usual, it seems we are going to run in a marathon...(again).  :rickert:
Title: Re: 2017 Berserk TV Series (Season 2)
Post by: Walter on March 09, 2017, 02:45:19 PM
Here is the Titles for the upcoming 5 episodes of Season 2:


#13 ほころぶ世界

#14 冬の旅路

#15 飛剣の御旗

#16 獣鬼の森

#17 幽界-かくりよ

First five episodes take them midway through Volume 24. The season will probably end just before Chapter of Falconia, when the apostles infiltrate Wyndham.

Big question now is if there'll even be a season 3. During Season 1's touring, the producer alluded in interviews to having more episodes in the can -- presumably that was season 2 -- but what about moving forward?
Title: Re: 2017 Berserk TV Series (Season 2)
Post by: Cyrus Jong on March 09, 2017, 09:13:11 PM
Well shit. Looks like I was wrong. I predicted that they were going to cover volumes 22-26, ending with the fight between Guts and Grunbeld, but it looks like they want to rush through even more material, going so far as to encompass all or most of v22 in a single episode. Fucking Christ.
Title: Re: 2017 Berserk TV Series (Season 2)
Post by: Sareth on March 09, 2017, 09:24:20 PM
Guess Farnie and Pico's backstory was cut. :schierke: They probably would have handled it shittily anyway but as a Farnese fangirl I am so goddamn salty about how this adaptation is treating her. Fucking bullshit.
Title: Re: 2017 Berserk TV Series (Season 2)
Post by: Delta Phi on March 10, 2017, 04:07:37 AM
Big question now is if there'll even be a season 3. During Season 1's touring, the producer alluded in interviews to having more episodes in the can -- presumably that was season 2 -- but what about moving forward?

Lost Children, here we come! :troll:

Well shit. Looks like I was wrong. I predicted that they were going to cover volumes 22-26, ending with the fight between Guts and Grunbeld, but it looks like they want to rush through even more material, going so far as to encompass all or most of v22 in a single episode. Fucking Christ.

That was about par for the course last season I believe. I seem to remember specifically it was either volume 19 or 20 that was fit into a single episode. I could be misremembering though, and it was only half the volume. Either way, it wasn't good.
Title: Re: 2017 Berserk TV Series (Season 2)
Post by: Cyrus Jong on March 10, 2017, 05:03:06 AM
Lost Children, here we come! :troll:

God, I hope not. I hope this is the last season of Berserk these clowns ever make. And when it's done, I hope it's the last thing they ever do. Won't happen, but hey, a man can dream.

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That was about par for the course last season I believe. I seem to remember specifically it was either volume 19 or 20 that was fit into a single episode. I could be misremembering though, and it was only half the volume. Either way, it wasn't good.

Wasn't Volume 19, I can tell you that much. I remember one episode of the anime ending with an imitation of this epic spread (https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/originals/08/9f/14/089f142dce91556c71e26bd522066687.jpg).
Title: Re: 2017 Berserk TV Series (Season 2)
Post by: Sareth on March 10, 2017, 08:31:38 AM

That was about par for the course last season I believe. I seem to remember specifically it was either volume 19 or 20 that was fit into a single episode. I could be misremembering though, and it was only half the volume. Either way, it wasn't good.

I think it was most of volume 18 crammed into episode 6, with all the crazy heretic sex cult stuff and Farnese's crisis of faith being a horribly rushed mess.
Title: Re: 2017 Berserk TV Series (Season 2)
Post by: residentgrigo on March 10, 2017, 08:52:43 AM
Wild speculation about a possible S03: Anime adaptations are usually divided into a 3 month chunk, a 3 (or sometimes 6) month break, and then the back half. Us getting 24-26 eps. was what i always expected and having them start with No. 14 for S02 just confirms that this is still a "S01" order. US shows take (winter) breaks too for example, so no revaluations here. Which brings me to the numbers Hitoshura linked too in the overall anime thread. Thx. These are shockingly low, i truly mean that in every sense. I did NOT expect sales below 1k in week 1 and anime make most of the money in the week of release. Them even doubling the number over time is unbelievable, which would still be a very bad figure. A completely new production order is thus impossible. The show is objectively a bomb, unless it is a tax write off scam :ganishka: .

What i can imagine is a 1 to 2 part OVA, which brings me to the Terra Formars adaptation by Liden Films. Itīs basically Gantz in space for context. It took 1 year and 3 months for S02 to come out, as the original animation staff was fired, due to poor disc sales. These are how Midnight Anime make most of their revenue (letīs keep is simple). Both seasons also had problems i donī t need to address here. S01 had a WAY higher budget and both adapted the 1st and 2nd act of the core manga arc respectively, if you see the current time skip as "act 4". An OVA is supposed to come next, but it may also be cancelled due to a conflicting report this month. The OVA is supposed to be bundled with a limited print of a new volume. It will skip the 3rd act and just adapt a current volume. Thatīs comparable to WB skipping book 3 to 4 of Potter and doing a random adaptation of the trials in book 5, with NO context. I didnīt ask for this...
We could thus get a 2 part adaptation of the Sea God arc next. Itīs frankly more believable that a new season and the TF OVA can only have been commissioned to "promote" the Takashi Miike film.
Do we have something to "promote"? Musou 1,5? Huh, that one could help to push a new anime / OVA into production. Thatīs my somewhat educated take.

PS: I recently saw the impressive Gantz:O CG anime film and it 100% proves that a true to the source Berserk adaption can be made in the present market. There are no excuses!
Title: Re: 2017 Berserk TV Series (Season 2)
Post by: jackson_hurley on March 10, 2017, 11:59:23 AM
I think it was most of volume 18 crammed into episode 6, with all the crazy heretic sex cult stuff and Farnese's crisis of faith being a horribly rushed mess.

Was there anything that wasn't rushed in that season? As much as I was able to watch and enjoy it at some low level, I mostly kept my volumes next to me to compare or complain.
Title: Re: 2017 Berserk TV Series (Season 2)
Post by: Tama on March 10, 2017, 01:59:47 PM
Looks like crap. Sorry to say it, but every other adaption looked better then this (even the worst moments of the three films). I feel like the Dreamcast game had better animated motion, and yes I'm going there.  :iva:
Title: Re: 2017 Berserk TV Series (Season 2)
Post by: buttonmasher on March 10, 2017, 02:44:42 PM
Someone asked how much material will be covered in season 2.  At the current pace, probably through 347.

Title: Re: 2017 Berserk TV Series (Season 2)
Post by: Walter on March 10, 2017, 03:30:49 PM
Someone asked how much material will be covered in season 2.  At the current pace, probably through 347.

More like 235.

BTW, we're less than a month out from the premiere, and still no word on Crunchyroll bringing it overseas. That being said, their news section still props up Berserk-related news, and their Twitter account teamed up with Koei Tecmo to promote the new game (https://twitter.com/KoeiTecmoUS/status/837765265886609408). So...
Title: Re: 2017 Berserk TV Series (Season 2)
Post by: Demon Knight on March 10, 2017, 03:48:02 PM
This is just looks way TOO TERRIBLE in many ways... i just can't anymore. This is my favorite arc in Berserk yet they ruined it. They ruined it all..
Sorry, i dont want to watch this arc with these terrible animation..

I honestly prefer if they cancel it... yes i said it. It better to be canceld. I dont want this arc to be ruined with this stupid studio.

Just stop it. Stop it all! This is BERSERK not a random manga to give it a very cheap low quality show...


Sorry for the rant
Title: Re: 2017 Berserk TV Series (Season 2)
Post by: JMP on March 10, 2017, 09:21:17 PM
Well, this is certainly not making me feel sorry that I stopped watching last season. What's up with that season 2 key visual? If Isidro's not careful he's gonna roast his tongue on his fire dagger and Serpico looks like he's about to sneeze. The rest just look...meh. You would think they could at least do a little better with something like that.  :schierke:
(http://i.imgur.com/5jqLG4U.jpg)
Title: Re: 2017 Berserk TV Series (Season 2)
Post by: ABH on March 11, 2017, 04:42:03 PM
Little optimism left from me with the information that's trickled out. I'll watch because I'm a sucker for Berserk. I still think a new director alone would have done wonders to improve it, but I'm far less worked up over the animation as many others are. I can at least live with it. Based on the numbers for season 1, I don't think we have to worry about a season 3.

I really just hope that the manga doesn't go on hiatus as this season ends again.
Title: Re: 2017 Berserk TV Series (Season 2)
Post by: Hitoshura on March 16, 2017, 03:03:58 AM
Full PV
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tbx0PAsWiKw
Title: Re: 2017 Berserk TV Series (Season 2)
Post by: ApostleBob on March 16, 2017, 03:17:21 AM
Thanks for this.

It looks as faithful and awful artistically as the last season. Like a sloppy counterfeit.
Title: Re: 2017 Berserk TV Series (Season 2)
Post by: Cyrus Jong on March 16, 2017, 05:49:22 AM
Stilted CG animation, robotic facial expressions on Guts, crappy J-pop song that in no way fits into Berserk...I can't wait. :schierke:

By the way, can anyone refresh my memory? Did they even show the Hill of Swords in the anime and explain its significance?

EDIT--

Nevermind, just checked. They did.
Title: Re: 2017 Berserk TV Series (Season 2)
Post by: Demon Knight on March 16, 2017, 09:14:51 AM
Eh it's still really bad. But i think it's "a little bit" better like the eyes have more details than before. But look at Casca when she was coming to Gruffith. It looks like she is sliding lol really bad btw. MUSOU game made it much better


And that music. Doesnt fit Berserk at all. Give BERSERK such an EPIC music like SIGN. Not crappy J pop thing..
Title: Re: 2017 Berserk TV Series (Season 2)
Post by: DANGERDOOOOM on March 16, 2017, 08:37:08 PM
Full PV
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tbx0PAsWiKw

Good lord
Title: Re: 2017 Berserk TV Series (Season 2)
Post by: Hitoshura on March 16, 2017, 08:54:06 PM
Crunchyroll announces that they are streaming S2 along with the compilation of S1.
http://www.crunchyroll.com/anime-news/2017/03/16-1/crunchyroll-to-stream-season-two-of-berserk-anime

Subbed PV
https://twitter.com/Crunchyroll/status/842480857428373507
Title: Re: 2017 Berserk TV Series (Season 2)
Post by: Ruhe Strom on March 16, 2017, 09:23:03 PM
Full PV
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tbx0PAsWiKw

I thought it might be like Knights of Sidonia for which the CG animation improved significantly for the second season.

I thought wrong.
Title: Re: 2017 Berserk TV Series (Season 2)
Post by: Walter on March 17, 2017, 02:10:11 PM
Crunchyroll announces that they are streaming S2 along with the compilation of S1.
http://www.crunchyroll.com/anime-news/2017/03/16-1/crunchyroll-to-stream-season-two-of-berserk-anime

Thanks for the update. Guess it did well enough for them to bring it back for a continuation?

As for the preview itself, gross... https://twitter.com/Skullknight_NET/status/842368164251987971
Title: Re: 2017 Berserk TV Series (Season 2)
Post by: ApostleBob on March 17, 2017, 03:06:24 PM
Yeah, Zodd's body looks more than a little funky.
Title: Re: 2017 Berserk TV Series (Season 2)
Post by: jackson_hurley on March 17, 2017, 03:32:38 PM
Is it me or Griffith looks short in the scene in the snow...
Title: Re: 2017 Berserk TV Series (Season 2)
Post by: Griffith on March 20, 2017, 06:13:50 PM
They do realize that they don't need to recreate the doubling/shadowing effect Miura used to show movement in that fight because this is already an adaptation to a moving medium... right? =)
Title: Re: 2017 Berserk TV Series (Season 2)
Post by: ApostleBob on March 20, 2017, 06:32:33 PM
They really are poised to ruin one of the better one on one fights in the series with lazy animation. Say what you will about the Golden Age films, but they typically did the combat pretty dynamically and kept them visually interesting.
Title: Re: 2017 Berserk TV Series (Season 2)
Post by: berserkerpuck on March 20, 2017, 07:40:57 PM
God, I never bothered to fully watch season 1, and just based on that preview (I LOST it at Casca just sliding, what even is this animation?) I'm going to do the exact same thing with this season.  :schierke:
Title: Re: 2017 Berserk TV Series (Season 2)
Post by: Jemuller on April 03, 2017, 02:55:09 PM
Summing up the titles of the episodes of Season 2 that we know so far:


#13 ほころぶ世界

#14 冬の旅路

#15 飛剣の御旗

#16 獣鬼の森

#17 幽界-かくりよ

#18 魔群との死闘

#19 祈りの奥義

#20 クリフォトの汚濁

#21 狂戦士の甲冑


Title: Re: 2017 Berserk TV Series (Season 2)
Post by: jackson_hurley on April 03, 2017, 04:00:18 PM
Summing up the titles of the episodes of Season 2 that we know so far:


#20 クリフォトの汚濁

#21 狂戦士の甲冑

"Cliffot pollution" (thx Google..)

Well It looks like, as I thought, it will end around the berserker armour or something of the likes. It'll probably end when they escape from Grunbeld in his dragon form. Or close to that.
Title: Re: 2017 Berserk TV Series (Season 2)
Post by: Sareth on April 04, 2017, 12:51:37 AM
According to jeanacabeana on Reddit, they saw the first 2 episodes at Anime Boston and Farnese and Serpico's backstory is in episode 2 (so there goes that dumb theory that the season 1 English dub changed their relationship because it wasn't going to be covered) And apparently it's bad, what a shock  :mozgus:
Title: Re: 2017 Berserk TV Series (Season 2)
Post by: Cyrus Jong on April 04, 2017, 01:56:36 AM
According to jeanacabeana on Reddit, they saw the first 2 episodes at Anime Boston and Farnese and Serpico's backstory is in episode 2 (so there goes that dumb theory that the season 1 English dub changed their relationship because it wasn't going to be covered) And apparently it's bad, what a shock  :mozgus:

You mean this post? (https://www.reddit.com/r/Berserk/comments/63968o/saw_the_first_2_eps_of_berserk_2017_at_anime/)
Title: Re: 2017 Berserk TV Series (Season 2)
Post by: Sareth on April 04, 2017, 02:44:22 AM
Yup
Title: Re: 2017 Berserk TV Series (Season 2)
Post by: Hitoshura on April 04, 2017, 06:44:03 AM
And apparently Crunchyroll abruptly ended the second episode when it got to the part where Guts assaulted Casca and apologized after switching it to an episode of My Hero Acedemia. (https://www.reddit.com/r/Berserk/comments/634nua/awkward_berserk_2017_reveal_at_anime_boston/dfs7y3t/)
Title: Re: 2017 Berserk TV Series (Season 2)
Post by: Gamehowitzer on April 05, 2017, 01:51:07 PM
And apparently Crunchyroll abruptly ended the second episode when it got to the part where Guts assaulted Casca and apologized after switching it to an episode of My Hero Acedemia. (https://www.reddit.com/r/Berserk/comments/634nua/awkward_berserk_2017_reveal_at_anime_boston/dfs7y3t/)
Well thats quite the blunder lol, that just proves crunchyroll is no better than anywhere else.
Title: Re: 2017 Berserk TV Series (Season 2)
Post by: jackson_hurley on April 07, 2017, 01:15:02 AM
So season 2 starts on crunchyroll this friday at 7h30 am pt / 10h30 et followed by episode 2(14) at 8am/11am

http://www.crunchyroll.com/forumtopic-985789/spring-2017-lineup-updated-with-times (http://www.crunchyroll.com/forumtopic-985789/spring-2017-lineup-updated-with-times)
Title: Re: 2017 Berserk TV Series (Season 2)
Post by: Sareth on April 07, 2017, 02:25:08 AM
Get hyped, everybody :troll:
Title: Re: 2017 Berserk TV Series (Season 2)
Post by: Hitoshura on April 07, 2017, 11:36:38 AM
Episode 13 screenshots
(http://i.imgur.com/zpIXZxV.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/EhqMCfn.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/Jy0v6dU.jpg)
https://twitter.com/berserk_anime/status/850317496498307073
Title: Re: 2017 Berserk TV Series (Season 2)
Post by: jackson_hurley on April 07, 2017, 01:35:14 PM
It's on right now for premium members, for those interested. Starting scene : the rent world.

Zodd's flight with Griffith =  :ganishka:

New intro song too.
Title: Re: 2017 Berserk TV Series (Season 2)
Post by: Walter on April 07, 2017, 01:43:36 PM
It's actually not appearing in the series listing, but it can be accessed here: http://www.crunchyroll.com/berserk/episode-13-the-rent-world-734291
Title: Re: 2017 Berserk TV Series (Season 2)
Post by: Sareth on April 07, 2017, 02:11:28 PM
Fucking Guts and Zodd fighting sounds like they're smacking pots and pans together

And the return of HAI YOOOOO
Title: Re: 2017 Berserk TV Series (Season 2)
Post by: jackson_hurley on April 07, 2017, 02:19:14 PM
Fucking Guts and Zodd fighting sounds like they're smacking pots and pans together

And the return of HAI YOOOOO

What bothered me the most about the fight was that they keep staying at the same place. No movement other then the Swords and the clangs. They were as static as Griffith and Zodd during their flight... Otherwise it was not as bad as I would have expected (well for this kind of adaptation anyway, since we already know what kind of horror we'll get). i guess this is what happens when you don't have any expectations at all.

I couldn't finish the first one because I'm not in a Wi-Fi zone for the moment so I can't comment past the scene with Puck thinking about what to do now...

Title: Re: 2017 Berserk TV Series (Season 2)
Post by: MrFlibble on April 07, 2017, 03:04:17 PM
A few thoughts

-That horrific image of Griffiths maniacal grin wasn't off putting at all, I don't remember Neo Griffith ever pulling a ridiculous joker grin, but that's because that hack Miura wastes his time with things like subtlety and ambiguity
-I was under the impression that the mysterious laughter in the forest was an obscure sound that could be mistaken for rustling branches, but I guess the trees literally erupt with laughter
-I'm glad they didn't pause on the well known Zodd transformation scene for too long, because we're treated to an even better still of him from the front, where he looks like a toy
-It turns out the God Hand don't cause brands to bleed profusely, it just causes blood to spurt out once like a burst ketchup packet, at least the agonizing pain only last for a second
Title: Re: 2017 Berserk TV Series (Season 2)
Post by: Walter on April 07, 2017, 03:05:04 PM
-I was under the impression that the mysterious laughter in the forest was an obscure sound that could be mistaken for rustling branches, but I guess the trees literally erupt with laughter

It's the creature hiding in the trees that laughs, same as the manga.

Quote
-It turns out the God Hand don't cause brands to bleed profusely, it just causes blood to spurt out once like a burst ketchup packet,

It's as if Griffith stepped on the brand it popped like a zit.

Summary of the tweets I made during the first two eps (https://twitter.com/Skullknight_NET/). I've bolded the parts that stuck out to me:

They chose "fairy" instead of "elf." For info, in Berserk when yousei (妖精) is used, the furigana traditionally spells out elf. So, will it be Fairyhelm?

They depict Zodd as if he's rising from the forest instead of just zooming overhead. Weird fucking jazz music, too. Can somebody get this crooning old woman out of the studio? We're recording a soundtrack.

Opening moments have the same problems of directing. Too much camera movement, confusing action and on-screen elements.

I like the opening. Flashes of a few scenes, troll attack on Enoch. Will this once again be the highlight of the series?
 
Just like the crowds at Albion, CG copy+paste evident in repeating swords on the Hill of Swords. Also the animator's understanding of distance between characters is ridiculous. Guts runs for about 30 seconds towards Griffith before striking. He was like, 3m feet away.


(http://www.skullknight.net/images/hillofswords1.gif)

LIGHTNING EFFECTS when Guts and Zodd's swords strike? Are they elemental weapons? Is this Zelda: BotW? Confirmed: Dragon Slayer is glowing blue, folks. Elemental weapon.

When Guts and Zodd move, it sounds like trees are collapsing. Is that supposed to be the sound of snow under their feet?

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C80ZjJrXsAAwwrv.jpg:large)
Zodd's body looks RIDICULOUS.
 
(http://www.skullknight.net/images/zoddguts1.png) (http://www.skullknight.net/images/zoddguts2.png)

HAI YO plays as Guts is tossed like a ragdoll. A truly heroic beatdown of our main character.

Completely missed opportunity when Griffith protects Casca. He's supposed to appear in an instant, emphasizing his power. That's like, the point. But the reveal here happens very slowly...

The dead-eyed effect on the characters seems more pronounced in this episode.  Rickert in particular. Dude needs some work.

First episode covers 179-184. Speedy progress. Didn't feel too rushed though.

Hang on, ep 2 starts with Schierke's vision of the aftermath of Shet, apostles bowing to Griffith, etc. But they don't SHOW it happening? Wtf?

Art overall seems improved. I always wondered if the Albion crowd scenes ate up their budget. Smaller cast, less of a problem perhaps?

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C80eRmPXgAAvv4j.jpg)
Hah! When Puck is talking about his home, they actually show the spiritual tree in Elfhelm — an advanced tease not in the manga.

New voice for the Beast of Darkness. Smaller, like a child (because it's small now), but overlayed with a deeper one.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C80e-YcXkAA5mHu.jpg)
Stretched texture on the Beast looks awful, like a PS2 game.

Wasted opportunity, showing the comical way that child Farnese mistreats Serpico aross 3 scenes in about 16 frames of animation.

Woof, they really don't stick the landing on the most emotional moment of F+S' background story. Basically: MOVE ALONG NOW, NOTHING TO SEE

BLAD AND Guts plays during Guts' possession. It's as overbearing as possible.

No wait, lovely jazz music plays while Guts is assaulting Casca. MY BAD.

Country music guitar and strong use of wah-wah pedal when Isidro appears. Just like Isidro!

Also, they edited out most of Guts/Beast's assault of Casca. No mutilation or dismemberment. Bites her breast, Guts wakes up.

Welp. 2 episodes in, this animation remains the worst way to experience #Berserk. I'm still not sure who it's for.


Title: Re: 2017 Berserk TV Series (Season 2)
Post by: Sareth on April 07, 2017, 03:29:00 PM
Aaaaaand it's rushed as fuck. Oh boy. No apostles swearing loyalty to Griffith. Lots of details lost in Serpico and Farnese's backstory and Guts traveling with Casca. Serpico being Federico's bastard and Farnese's half-brother is barely acknowledged. No bird burning. The transition from Farnese being sent away for setting the mansion on fire to becoming commander of the HICKs was super abrupt. It literally goes from her dad saying he can't deal with her to her leading a charge. Then suddenly there is Serpico's mom tied to the post. And there is almost no build up from the time Guts strangles Casca to when he sexually assaults her. He strangles her, he ties her up, she escapes and nearly gets raped by the bandits, Guts finds her and bites her boob. Then Puck brings Isidro, Serpico, and Farnese. Second episode ends like Episode 190 with Farnese kneeling and asking Guts to let her join him. So in two episodes we go from 177-190. Ugh.

Awkward and unfitting soundtrack remains!
 
The only "improvements" I noticed with the CG is that they seemed to have gone back and touched up Guts and Farnese's faces. They look just a bit better.

Edit: Looks like they modified the shader, too. Now instead of characters just just having 2 tones (light and shadow) they now have 3 ( light, middle, and shadow). So that gives more depth to the models instead of completely flattening out when they are in shadow. Wish they had dumped that stupid hatching filter, though.
Title: Re: 2017 Berserk TV Series (Season 2)
Post by: Delta Phi on April 07, 2017, 03:59:14 PM
I forgot this was even happening. Guess I'll fire up the ole Crunchyroll sub (against better judgement) and see what the dumpster fire is all about.
Title: Re: 2017 Berserk TV Series (Season 2)
Post by: jackson_hurley on April 07, 2017, 04:03:43 PM

Wasted opportunity, showing the comical way that child Farnese mistreats Serpico aross 3 scenes in about 16 frames of animation.


Yeah, it looks like they wanted to get over it as soon as possible. Might as well take it out if you're gonna rush it like that. I had no problem understanding that part because I know the manga but for new comers...
Title: Re: 2017 Berserk TV Series (Season 2)
Post by: Sareth on April 07, 2017, 06:06:16 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/KPA6mAk.jpg)
Title: Re: 2017 Berserk TV Series (Season 2)
Post by: Aazealh on April 07, 2017, 06:07:25 PM
http://i.imgur.com/KPA6mAk.jpg

:ganishka:
Title: Re: 2017 Berserk TV Series (Season 2)
Post by: Walter on April 07, 2017, 06:20:31 PM
(http://skullknight.net/images/griff-falconface.gif)
Title: Re: 2017 Berserk TV Series (Season 2)
Post by: Sareth on April 07, 2017, 06:59:20 PM
Is it bad that I want a season 3 just for the sake of providing us with another couple of months of goofy shit?
Title: Re: 2017 Berserk TV Series (Season 2)
Post by: Sancho on April 07, 2017, 07:10:55 PM
I can't believe i'm saying this, but this is actually even worse than the previous season, even worse than the movies.... i didn't think this was even possible. I can find a major flaw in every single second of this monstrosity.

Who i really feel bad for though is Miura. I must say i've never seen such an abyssal discrepancy in quality between an original work and an adaptation. He doesn't deserves this, not after what he has created. I don't think it's fair that the greatest manga ever gets treated like this, when COUNTLESS other bland shonen and seinen series received far better adaptations.
What the fuck is wrong with the animation industry?

Is it bad that I want a season 3 just for the sake of providing us with another couple of months of goofy shit?

I understand what you mean xD, this travesty cracked me up too. But i don't know if i wanted Berserk's name sullied any more than it already was. I'd personally prefer that it would end with this season.
Title: Re: 2017 Berserk TV Series (Season 2)
Post by: residentgrigo on April 07, 2017, 07:12:25 PM
I was feeling dead inside already as i just saw GitS 2017 (3/10), so Berserk eps. 13-14 were only the 2nd worst adaptation of beloved source material for today.
The OP went from being the worst such thing i ever saw to looking and sounding like a Bleach reboot. Success? The ED exist, i guess. The eps. themselves were in a word incompetent but unoffensive. They delivered worse before and them being stacked only proves that they mostly spend time on a hard drive for 3 month. The studio ultimately got simple enough chapters to speed though cliff-notes style but that canīt be said for whatīs coming... The somewhat better sound everything (outside of a few VAs, poor :beast: ) is an "improvement" but the editing has borderline reached an all time low. 4/10

Is a picture blog covering this, as i want to switch over.     
Title: Re: 2017 Berserk TV Series (Season 2)
Post by: Sareth on April 07, 2017, 08:05:01 PM
I understand what you mean xD, this travesty cracked me up too. But i don't know if i wanted Berserk's name sullied any more than it already was. I'd personally prefer that it would end with this season.

Yeah, I'd never recommend this series to anyone who hasn't read the manga. But while I think the show is total ass and it makes me mad how it treats certain scenes and characters, I like that post-Golden Age Berserk getting more exposure because I prefer that portion of the manga more.

I think I also just want them to blueball the anime-only folks by ending the series with the squad getting on the Seahorse.
Title: Re: 2017 Berserk TV Series (Season 2)
Post by: jackson_hurley on April 07, 2017, 08:44:14 PM


1-They chose "fairy" instead of "elf." For info, in Berserk when yousei (妖精) is used, the furigana traditionally spells out elf.

2- Zodd's body looks RIDICULOUS.
 

3-  ep 2 starts with Schierke's vision of the aftermath of Shet, apostles bowing to Griffith, etc. But they don't SHOW it happening?

4- Art overall seems improved. I always wondered if the Albion crowd scenes ate up their budget. Smaller cast, less of a problem perhaps?



1- well at least the subtitles read "elf" and not "fairy"

2- I agree

3-It will most likely happen next episode as half seen in the preview.  Or badly mix with another scene....  :???: Remember how they miserably switch some episode last season? I won't be surprised to see that happening again.

4- I also found some improvement in the art.
Title: Re: 2017 Berserk TV Series (Season 2)
Post by: Walter on April 07, 2017, 09:28:10 PM
1- well at least the subtitles read "elf" and not "fairy"


Not when Nico says it at the beginning of the ep, which is what I was commenting on. And in the manga there, it's yosei.
Title: Re: 2017 Berserk TV Series (Season 2)
Post by: jackson_hurley on April 07, 2017, 09:32:27 PM
Not when Nico says it at the beginning of the ep, which is what I was commenting on. And in the manga there, it's yosei.

I missed that one! Sorry.

But thanx for clearing that up. I don't understand a lot of japanese other then a few words.  :serpico:
Title: Re: 2017 Berserk TV Series (Season 2)
Post by: Gamehowitzer on April 07, 2017, 10:57:52 PM
i had to turn off episode one 5 minutes in. Zodd vs Guts wasnt a fight, its a fucking clang off.
Title: Re: 2017 Berserk TV Series (Season 2)
Post by: Walter on April 08, 2017, 12:50:57 AM
After letting the episodes percolate in my brain for a while, I think what bothered me the most was the Hill of Swords battle. This is my favorite fight in the series, but it was reduced to this lazy, hack-and-slash nonsense:

(http://www.skullknight.net/images/hillofswords1.gif) (http://www.skullknight.net/images/hillofswords2.gif)

What made this fight amazing in the manga was the choreography, the perceived motion of Guts and Zodd between the panels as they dodged these attacks -- where even one blow could be fatal. Instead, we get barely any of that. We get an extended version of the 1-2 panels where it does indeed appear to be a whirlwind of attacks being quickly parried. CLANGclangCLANGclangCLANGclang while dialogue is overlaid.

Serpico and Farnese's backstory, they basically shouldn't have even bothered with it. They afforded these characters a perfunctory half episode. But brevity alone doesn't ruin it. It's the almost mathematical precision at which it ignored the big moments -- giving equal weight to the moments of setup as the culminating moments. As a result, there is no emotion in the scenes that are supposed to be the most memorable, because the director brusquely moves forward, his eyes on the runtime.
Title: Re: 2017 Berserk TV Series (Season 2)
Post by: DANGERDOOOOM on April 08, 2017, 01:05:38 AM
i had to turn off episode one 5 minutes in. Zodd vs Guts wasnt a fight, its a fucking clang off.

I felt as if I was watching an episode of Dragonball Z, not a swordfight between 2 master swordsman
Title: Re: 2017 Berserk TV Series (Season 2)
Post by: jackson_hurley on April 08, 2017, 01:32:39 AM
I felt as if I was watching an episode of Dragonball Z, not a swordfight between 2 master swordsman

To be honest I find the fights in Dragonball better then this one.

Like Walter said, the manga illustrates this fight in an incredible way as in the show its just static and doesn't give you the stressful and dire sense of the situation.

Each time I'm getting to that part in a reread, I always take a lot of time on that fight because I admire the way it's portrayed.
Title: Re: 2017 Berserk TV Series (Season 2)
Post by: Sareth on April 08, 2017, 05:40:21 AM
(https://i.redd.it/zg0afqp716qy.jpg)
Title: Re: 2017 Berserk TV Series (Season 2)
Post by: Gamehowitzer on April 08, 2017, 05:44:16 AM
You know sareth, your profile picture is perfect every time.
Title: Re: 2017 Berserk TV Series (Season 2)
Post by: Demon Knight on April 08, 2017, 07:10:33 AM
PERFECT...

They already ruined my favorite duel in the series.... WTF did I just watch? Guts and Zodd both look like standing on the same place and they barley move... and all i can hear is "CLANG CLANG CLANG CLANG"...  i mean all this rant about the clang and yet they still plan to use it?


I swear to god BERSERK PS2 made this far better and much more  exciting  than this
https://youtu.be/JU94Xs8sr2Q

Also the timing of music still not fitting


Tell me why tell me why tell me why Berserk didnt get good adoption  :sad:
Title: Re: 2017 Berserk TV Series (Season 2)
Post by: Sareth on April 08, 2017, 07:32:57 AM
You know sareth, your profile picture is perfect every time.

LOL Yeah, it does make a fitting reaction to such a QUALITY anime

Edit: Went skimming some anime forums to see what non-readers think and geez, the Farnese hate is real.
Title: Re: 2017 Berserk TV Series (Season 2)
Post by: Gamehowitzer on April 08, 2017, 03:37:38 PM
LOL Yeah, it does make a fitting reaction to such a QUALITY anime

Edit: Went skimming some anime forums to see what non-readers think and geez, the Farnese hate is real.
Wait people hate her? Why? I thought she was kind of a complex character. Oh wait is it because they brought the backstory in?
Title: Re: 2017 Berserk TV Series (Season 2)
Post by: NightCrawler on April 08, 2017, 03:46:45 PM
Why are you all wasting time with this?
Title: Re: 2017 Berserk TV Series (Season 2)
Post by: Sareth on April 08, 2017, 06:39:27 PM
^We're masochists

Wait people hate her? Why? I thought she was kind of a complex character. Oh wait is it because they brought the backstory in?

I guess it was because of the backstory since a pretty common comment was that they hated her even more now. Some people were giving Serpico shit too for burning his mother. I guess it was lost on them that Farnese was trying to protect him.

I never disliked Farnese at any point. On my initial reading I mostly just felt really bad for her. I thought she was well meaning but horribly misguided, plus anxiety issues. Fucking love her now, tho.
Title: Re: 2017 Berserk TV Series (Season 2)
Post by: VladimirPutin on April 09, 2017, 10:00:32 PM
I can praise a little improvement in animation and drawing, a good opening and ending, but other things are just average or bad. I mean, you really can't bring for the people real experience while treating the most important moments in manga with that lack of interest. It has potential to be better than previous season, but we will see.
Title: Re: 2017 Berserk TV Series (Season 2)
Post by: __Bonfire__ on April 10, 2017, 12:27:25 AM
It's better than the first episode of the first season...
Title: Re: 2017 Berserk TV Series (Season 2)
Post by: Deathspawn84 on April 10, 2017, 06:44:51 AM
I don't know why people are complaining. I liked episode 13. Just look at the manga they did a great job to translate it to this episode. They skipped almost nothing. So why this critics. Just don't watch if you don't like the style. Yes the old berserk was great but as berserk fan appreciate that we have an anime of this best manga ever.
Title: Re: 2017 Berserk TV Series (Season 2)
Post by: Demon Knight on April 10, 2017, 09:42:25 AM
It becasue this is BERSERK. BERSERK deserves a mch much MUCH higher quality than this like really, other cheap animes get good animations while BERSERK doesnt get high quality... even hentai get better animation than this...

I mean Guts VS Zodd fight was supossed to be a lot more exciting than this, in the anime the sound effect of the dragonslayer look like a freaking bell or something. They could at least take the sound effect from Berserk MUSOU game which was much better. But no they kept the clang...

While I agree the animation has some improvment but still this is not enough. Not even close
Title: Re: 2017 Berserk TV Series (Season 2)
Post by: Léon-Solide on April 10, 2017, 03:34:04 PM
I don't know why people are complaining. I liked episode 13. Just look at the manga they did a great job to translate it to this episode. They skipped almost nothing. So why this critics. Just don't watch if you don't like the style. Yes the old berserk was great but as berserk fan appreciate that we have an anime of this best manga ever.
So we shouldn't complain that the "best manga ever" is getting a rushed and amateur-looking adaptation? Sounds fair.
This second cour isn't a panel-to-panel adaptation.
In episode 13 and 14 they skipped Griffith's, Zodd's, Locus's, and Grunbeld's infiltration of Shet, and instead just cut from Griffith's entrance to the CGI bird flying 200 miles/hour back to Schierke. That scene was important because it introduced the might of Griffith's Neo Band of the Hawk Commanders and also introduced Rakshas to open up a whole new story arc for the series. Unless, they plan on including this scene in the next episode with Mule meeting them, which I doubt. They also skipped a bit of scenes between Guts and Casca before Guts assaults her.
Let's make this clear. They want to speed through the majority of the Falcon of the Millennium Empire arc in 13 episodes. We're talking about 13 volumes of content, and so far they've "covered" the entire volume 22 and half of 23 in 2 episodes.
The pacing is way too fast, which numbs the crucial moments. The content covered in the first episode was crucial to the story overall and shouldn't be sped through only to reach cute 2D-drawn Sonia and adorable 2D-drawn Farnese and Serpico's backstory. Guts's fight with Zodd at the Hill of Swords looked like a minor fight and just overall the Hill of Swords scene was lackluster because it's supposed to be a hugely defining moment for the series. It's Guts talking to (reincarnated) Griffith since the Eclipse for heaven's sake! Not to mention Zodd's vomit-inducing CG model.
I could go on and on about the story, but I do feel like they're improving art and direction-wise. For example, it was actually nice to see Serpico and Farnese's backstory animated all in 2D. Also, they fixed Guts's face, and although the 3D models barely have any details or texture on them, it makes watching scenes with Guts much more bearable.
Title: Re: 2017 Berserk TV Series (Season 2)
Post by: Salem on April 10, 2017, 04:02:14 PM
The pacing is way too fast, which numbs the crucial moments.

This is the worst part of the adaption which I feel is overlooked more so than not.  As stated, they are squeezing so much into a few episodes.  The moments that need and deserve time are left bare and emotionless.  Any dramatic weight to each respective panel is pushed through like a flip book.  Like showing a friend your favorite parts of a story they've never read, why am I suppose to give a shit?
Title: Re: 2017 Berserk TV Series (Season 2)
Post by: Killakcin on April 10, 2017, 04:04:45 PM
So far, I think this season is an improvement over season 1. However, it still has a lot of the same issues. That first scene was poorly executed. WAY to many panning shots, with no real purpose. It was so over the top, I even started to get dizzy. Also, the fight with Zodd was incoherent. It is probably the best fight in the manga, with well defined choreography that hasn't really been matched anywhere else in the manga, but they managed to make it boring. IDK, I'm still glad that there is a Berserk anime, I just wish it could be made by someone who understands the tone of Berserk. This team clearly does not.  :sad:
Title: Re: 2017 Berserk TV Series (Season 2)
Post by: Cyrus Jong on April 10, 2017, 05:19:45 PM
I don't know why people are complaining. I liked episode 13. Just look at the manga they did a great job to translate it to this episode. They skipped almost nothing. So why this critics. Just don't watch if you don't like the style. Yes the old berserk was great but as berserk fan appreciate that we have an anime of this best manga ever.

Yes, we should be thankful that the "best manga ever" gets such a shoddy animated treatment, with amateur visuals, sound effects, music, choreography, and fucking direction that breezes past the important bits and emphasizes the wrong parts, on top of a mountain of cut material that all combines into making a story that has none of the gravitas, complexity, atmosphere, or character of the original.

Naruto fans get an accurate, long-running animated series hundreds of episodes in length that goes through every single painstaking detail of the story. As do Dragon Ball fans. Fans of Hellsing and Fullmetal Alchemist got themselves a new anime apiece that set about being more faithful to the source material. But when Berserk keeps getting rushed, badly-made adaptations made by the most incompetent and unprofessional clowns in the industry who have no understanding or respect for it, we're expected to be thankful? Ask yourself, would you enjoy a Berserk anime if it was done entirely with stick figures or looked like this (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CEbt_-6HSO0)? If you said no, you'll understand perfectly why a lot of us don't enjoy this latest series.
Title: Re: 2017 Berserk TV Series (Season 2)
Post by: Johnny Apples on April 10, 2017, 05:34:21 PM
Yes, we should be thankful that the "best manga ever" gets such a shoddy animated treatment, with amateur visuals, sound effects, music, choreography, and fucking direction that breezes past the important bits and emphasizes the wrong parts, all on top of mountain of cut material that all combines into making a story that has none of the gravitas, complexity, atmosphere, or character of the original.

Naruto fans get an accurate, long-running animated series hundreds of episodes in length that goes through every single painstaking detail of the story. As do Dragon Ball fans. Fans of Hellsing and Fullmetal Alchemist got themselves a new anime apiece that set about being more faithful to the source material. But when Berserk keeps getting rushed, badly-made adaptations made by the most incompetent and unprofessional clowns in the industry who have no understanding or respect for it, we're expected to be thankful? Ask yourself, would you enjoy a Berserk anime if it was done entirely with stick figures or looked like this (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CEbt_-6HSO0)? If you said no, you'll understand perfectly why a lot of us don't enjoy this latest series.

This. Many times over, this, right here.
Title: Re: 2017 Berserk TV Series (Season 2)
Post by: ApostleBob on April 10, 2017, 08:21:27 PM
This. Many times over, this, right here.

Yep this sums it up. I don't know who this series is for. The story is mostly faithful but heavily and randomly abridged. The art is sloppily copied from manga panels and not original. And the fights are so dull that it wouldn't even pull in an adolescent crowd. I'm dreading later scenes with multiple apostles. It's gonna look like beast wars.
Title: Re: 2017 Berserk TV Series (Season 2)
Post by: Delta Phi on April 10, 2017, 08:39:36 PM
It's gonna look like beast wars.

To bad this adaptation wasn't released in 1996.
Title: Re: 2017 Berserk TV Series (Season 2)
Post by: Sancho on April 10, 2017, 08:53:50 PM
The main problem is that 12 episodes, 20 minutes each, to wrap up the entire story from the Hill of the Swords to the battle at Flora's mansion are just too few, no matter how you look at it, there is just not enough screen time to cover up everything.

Add to that their utter misunderstanding of almost every aspect of the story that goes beyond Guts waving the Dragon Slayer, the excessive time that they wasted on less necessary scenes, their questionable choices at pairing each scene with an appropriate music, and the result was bound to be so catastrophic.


Yes, we should be thankful that the "best manga ever" gets such a shoddy animated treatment, with amateur visuals, sound effects, music, choreography, and fucking direction that breezes past the important bits and emphasizes the wrong parts, on top of a mountain of cut material that all combines into making a story that has none of the gravitas, complexity, atmosphere, or character of the original.

Naruto fans get an accurate, long-running animated series hundreds of episodes in length that goes through every single painstaking detail of the story. As do Dragon Ball fans. Fans of Hellsing and Fullmetal Alchemist got themselves a new anime apiece that set about being more faithful to the source material. But when Berserk keeps getting rushed, badly-made adaptations made by the most incompetent and unprofessional clowns in the industry who have no understanding or respect for it, we're expected to be thankful? Ask yourself, would you enjoy a Berserk anime if it was done entirely with stick figures or looked like this (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CEbt_-6HSO0)? If you said no, you'll understand perfectly why a lot of us don't enjoy this latest series.

I agree wholeheartedly.
Title: Re: 2017 Berserk TV Series (Season 2)
Post by: Sareth on April 12, 2017, 01:27:41 AM
Perfect (https://vimeo.com/212830980/)
Title: Re: 2017 Berserk TV Series (Season 2)
Post by: Walter on April 12, 2017, 04:03:48 AM
Perfect (https://vimeo.com/212830980/)

What's truly damning here is that aside from a certain sound effect, I wasn't sure at first if it was a parody. That's how special this adaptation's music selection has been.
Title: Re: 2017 Berserk TV Series (Season 2)
Post by: Léon-Solide on April 12, 2017, 04:09:41 AM
The main problem is that 12 episodes, 20 minutes each, to wrap up the entire story from the Hill of the Swords to the battle at Flora's mansion are just too few, no matter how you look at it, there is just not enough screen time to cover up everything.

Actually...they're planning to go even further than the battle at Flora's mansion with 13 episodes. Guts is supposed to get the Berserker armor in episode 9 according to episode titles that were already released. So there's 3-4 episodes more after Guts and his crew escape from Grunbeld and the other Neo Battle of the Hawk apostles. I'm speculating that the anime will end after Griffith rescues Charlotte from Ganishka in Windham and when Guts meets Skullknight at the beach and learns that it may be possible to bring Casca back. It would be a fitting scene to end at...but I'm not sure what to expect with this rushed adaptation.
Title: Re: 2017 Berserk TV Series (Season 2)
Post by: Sareth on April 12, 2017, 02:15:52 PM
What's truly damning here is that aside from a certain sound effect, I wasn't sure at first if it was a parody. That's how special this adaptation's music selection has been.

I swear to God they're gonna blare HAI YOOOOO when Guts charges into the troll cave to rescue Casca and Farnese
Title: Re: 2017 Berserk TV Series (Season 2)
Post by: jackson_hurley on April 12, 2017, 03:38:24 PM
I swear to God they're gonna blare HAI YOOOOO when Guts charges into the troll cave to rescue Casca and Farnese

Well it'd be more fitting then him being smack by Zodd's hand...  :ganishka:
Title: Re: 2017 Berserk TV Series (Season 2)
Post by: DANGERDOOOOM on April 12, 2017, 09:11:35 PM
I'm throwing money down when Guts emerges in front of Grunbeld donning the Berserker armor, they will recycle the heavy metal guitar riff from Femto's rebirth.
Title: Re: 2017 Berserk TV Series (Season 2)
Post by: Sancho on April 13, 2017, 03:17:02 PM
I swear to God they're gonna blare HAI YOOOOO when Guts charges into the troll cave to rescue Casca and Farnese

Even better....  They're gonna play it when Guts confronts Slan.  :troll:
Title: Re: 2017 Berserk TV Series (Season 2)
Post by: Sareth on April 13, 2017, 04:20:39 PM
Even better....  They're gonna play it when Guts confronts Slan.  :troll:

Can't wait to see CGI intestines Slan shove her nippless tits in Guts' face.
Title: Re: 2017 Berserk TV Series (Season 2)
Post by: Demon Knight on April 13, 2017, 11:12:07 PM
She won't even have nipples actually. Till the blu ray version :slan:
Title: Re: 2017 Berserk TV Series (Season 2)
Post by: jackson_hurley on April 14, 2017, 02:03:46 PM
As I thought, the introduction of the apostles was in ep 3. At least...
Title: Re: 2017 Berserk TV Series (Season 2)
Post by: residentgrigo on April 14, 2017, 02:37:07 PM
No proper picture blog is apparently covering this, gr8t. Once More Into the Fray... and i am doing other things while watching.

The 1st short bit with Guts is alright, as they just adapted the manga and the soundtrack official went from bad to alight in "S02". The :griffnotevil: portion though can go fuck itself. The animations apparently donīt know why they are using CG, as the armies donīt move or react to almost anything. Most look like trash too, as this is the first time they are featured in the show. The 3D animators further bothered to make all these villagers but none of them moved either. So, why didnīt the use a 2D panning shot instead? That would have saves time + money and it would have looked better! The bewildering cuts and "camera" movements most importantly made no sense and all of this moved so fast that i had problems following along. The after credits demon attack lastly started in-media-res. Why?
Ep. 1 and 3 are still the very bottom and should hopefully remain unreachable but ep.15 sure tried. 3/10
Title: Re: 2017 Berserk TV Series (Season 2)
Post by: Sareth on April 14, 2017, 03:17:17 PM
Pretty boring episode
Title: Re: 2017 Berserk TV Series (Season 2)
Post by: Deathspawn84 on April 14, 2017, 07:55:12 PM
Lett the bashing continue. I saw episode 15 and once again i think it was good and well told as you think about the manga oke they cant capture everything but the import things are well told. For the people who are going to bash again stop watching and go read the manga. I enjoy this anime. It is not the best in the series but it is a good translation i only want the music to be epic as the old berserk anime. I miss that
Title: Re: 2017 Berserk TV Series (Season 2)
Post by: Walter on April 14, 2017, 08:26:21 PM
For the people who are going to bash again stop watching and go read the manga.

Sorry, who are you to tell us that? Everyone here has read the manga, and everyone is free to weigh in on their feelings about this adaptation. You have zero reputation here, but you're barking orders at others about how they should conduct their posts? Get real...
Title: Re: 2017 Berserk TV Series (Season 2)
Post by: ApostleBob on April 14, 2017, 10:10:33 PM
This series... Again pretty faithful, if you exclude the random placement of the introduction of the new Band of the Falcon. I guess we can be happy we got those moments, as it will make things less confusing for first time viewers. But still, what the hell? Why do it like this? is it that important to have two Guts centric episodes first. We now have two episodes starting with this scene.

And how about the art? Wow this stuff was sloppy. You'd think guys they give close ups to would get a little more attention. I've watched cartoons with my nephew that are more put together than parts of this.

Things I like:
- Rakshas was great
- The Shet scene existing at all
- It was faithful for the most part, with some abridgments I could live with.
- Guts & Co. have much better models.
- The pace is moving along at a good clip.

Things I hated:
- Is Griffiths hair plastic?
- Is Zodd green?
- Why is the action so boring? I mean really? This is an action series with great drama, but you'd never guess it with this show. It's a step behind the '97 anime as far as action goes. Giant battles that are amazing in the manga reduced to sloppily animated stills of those panels.
- This series has really neutered Zodd. I feel like he's cream of the crop in the manga, but in this he comes off like a random orc werewolf apostle. It pisses me off, be/c the last two adaptations managed to get him basically right.
- Why are scenes so jumbled? Makes no sense.

But I will say that it looks like they are doing the whole manga. Which I'm kinda fine with since no one else has stepped up. I know I got into the series because of the anime. I know most people are that way. If that leads more people to the manga, I'm all for it. But let me make it clear to any first time viewer reading this: This series is incredibly inferior to the quality of the manga. By orders of magnitude.
Title: Re: 2017 Berserk TV Series (Season 2)
Post by: Killakcin on April 14, 2017, 11:01:14 PM
I actually think this episode was pretty good. Aside from the ugly character models (Grunbeld's face was janky af), this episode looked a bit better than usual. They seemed to use a lot more hand drawn stills that looked decent, and I think they did a good job capturing Puck and Isidro's characters with the exaggerated facial expressions. The ridiculous panning and snap shots were thankfully kept to a minimum as well.

The pacing this episode may have been the best for the entire series so far. Scenes were given room to breath, and events were given enough time for the audience to absorb and react to them. They didn't seem to barrel through character introductions and key moments - e.g. the arrows missing Griffith, or the spirits of the dead at the end of the episode - like they have done in many of the previous episodes.

For this series, I think improvements in direction and pacing are far more important than improved animation. We already know what the art style of this series is, and we already know that it looks like shit compared to the source material. No amount of improvements in the animation is going to close that gap because of the style they chose to work with. However, we can and should expect them to improve the presentation of the story. There is no reason for them to be unable to adapt Berserk's story in a compelling manner, that long time fans and newcomers can enjoy.
Title: Re: 2017 Berserk TV Series (Season 2)
Post by: Walter on April 15, 2017, 05:52:02 PM
Episode 15: Shit Assault

Why did they break up the Shet assault across two full episodes, leading into it with a tease of the ending (Schierke's vision) and then not actually showing it until a full episode later? What a weird, dumb decision.

Didn't appreciate how they presented it as if Griffith used some magic power to dodge the arrows. That's not how it's presented in the manga. It's unexplained. No one sees how it happens. Did they all just HAPPEN to miss? Did a sudden wind knock them off course? Did he use EVIL POWER?

Why is Zodd a groaning, green-skinned, murder-zombie-werewolf?

Didn't really like any of the voice actors they chose for the Falcon lieutenants. They aren't conveying any nuance. Locus is a knight. Grunbeld is a strong guy. Rakshas is apparently depressed? All flat performances. Though I'm glad they kept the weird sound effects Rakshas makes in that scene.

They really shouldn't try modeling Griffith's hair in 3D. Those thick tendrils made him look like Slan for a moment.

(http://www.skullknight.net/images/griff-hair-what.gif)

Grunbeld's warhammer CLANGs. Holy shit his face! What the holy hell is this?!

(http://www.skullknight.net/images/grunbeld-what.gif)

Christ, this music! If I have to hear this old woman moaning again... Why is this Griffith's theme?!

Griffith 'sees' Schierke, causing her to fly off. A ridiculous, needless liberty...

(http://www.skullknight.net/images/griff-surprise.gif)

Mule walking through the camp where everyone but him was paused, like he was fucking Captain N.  Incredibly awkward.

Locus: In the scene where he finishes his talk with Mule, after he leaves, the camera never centers the focus of the conversation back down to Sonia and Mule.
Title: Re: 2017 Berserk TV Series (Season 2)
Post by: Sareth on April 15, 2017, 06:19:19 PM
After the first two episodes it seemed like the visuals had improved just a bit and I thought maybe the artists had learned something, but then this episode just dove head first into shit.

For the people who are going to bash again stop watching and go read the manga.

I'll never understand how people think this is a valid defense.
Title: Re: 2017 Berserk TV Series (Season 2)
Post by: Gamehowitzer on April 16, 2017, 01:53:26 AM
Wait... there are people who try to defend this work of art- i mean shit?
Title: Re: 2017 Berserk TV Series (Season 2)
Post by: VengeanceQuest982 on April 16, 2017, 06:29:24 PM
That panning shot towards Griffith felt like a POV shot you would get on PS1 era cinematics. I think by now most have resigned themselves to the fact that the film/tv project has been an endless disapointment. Yes when this project started we wanted a complete adaptation of The Golden Age Arc what we got was a clipshow fest devoid of any characterization or narrative urgency . With the 2016/2017 Berserk tv series and their selective adaptations of selected areas of The Conviction/The Millennium Falcon Arcs while not the obvious clipshow fest the films were they're suffering  from a familiar pattern of  no characterization or narrative urgency. 

 :ganishka:
Title: Re: 2017 Berserk TV Series (Season 2)
Post by: Tabris on April 17, 2017, 01:45:43 PM
This season made me a little giddy to see the 'newer' characters animated. It does make me smile to see Schierke, Sonia etc after so long and Raksas was kind of cool. Then the cruel reality hits seconds later of just how awful so much of it is.

I find this season is better than the last so far but I don't even know what that really means anymore. Nothing I guess?
Title: Re: 2017 Berserk TV Series (Season 2)
Post by: Sareth on April 17, 2017, 02:43:27 PM
I find this season is better than the last so far but I don't even know what that really means anymore. Nothing I guess?

We've just gotten used to it
Title: Re: 2017 Berserk TV Series (Season 2)
Post by: Griffith on April 17, 2017, 07:49:58 PM
(http://www.skullknight.net/images/griff-hair-what.gif)

 :???: :isidro: (http://www.skullknight.net/images/gutsbarf.gif)
Title: Re: 2017 Berserk TV Series (Season 2)
Post by: ApostleBob on April 18, 2017, 04:50:02 PM
And how about that use of Saxophone in the series. What a great choice! It totally fits the fantasy tone!

Just take a look:
https://vimeo.com/212423274
Title: Re: 2017 Berserk TV Series (Season 2)
Post by: Hanma_Baki on April 18, 2017, 06:59:45 PM
Yo! Long time since I was here, got a lot to catch up on but man I just had to check out you guy's reactions to this embarrassing mess. Honestly I find it hilarious how a manga can have more frames than it's anime counterpart :ganishka: they could basically just have the manga pages as a slideshow and it would span a longer run time guaranteed. Its so ridiculously rushed I find myself almost laughing though it all.
Well I'm'a go read this thread from the beginning and probably cry all the way, both from a broken heart AND absurdity/sarcasm, if I know you guys right :iva:
Title: Re: 2017 Berserk TV Series (Season 2)
Post by: Sareth on April 19, 2017, 12:51:25 AM
And how about that use of Saxophone in the series. What a great choice! It totally fits the fantasy tone!

Just take a look:
https://vimeo.com/212423274

This is why I have a hate/love relationship with this anime. It's so bad and stupid but the shitposts that have come from it crack me up.
Title: Re: 2017 Berserk TV Series (Season 2)
Post by: Lenlo on April 19, 2017, 02:28:08 AM
This is why I have a hate/love relationship with this anime. It's so bad and stupid but the shitposts that have come from it crack me up.
This shit posts are about the only good thing to have come from this anime. An iron skillet will forever be the greatest weapon ever wielded by man.

Its kinda sad, I actually like the 2D art. Its not great, but I like what they went for with it. The 3D models they are using for this anime though are worse than the ones used in the Musou game.
Title: Re: 2017 Berserk TV Series (Season 2)
Post by: Cyrus Jong on April 19, 2017, 08:51:01 AM
I'm not so sure if shit posts are really a good thing. Shit posts are the reason this series gets saddled with stupid memes and so-called jokes that get repeated ad nauseam to the point where they not only cease to be funny (assuming they ever were), but that also breed misconceptions among people who don't know any better. That's why Berserk is now forever stuck with the reputation as "that manga that did nothing but stay on a boat for years" and which "moves so slow because Miura is too busy playing Idolmaster to work on it." Now thanks to this anime, it's going to be stuck with endless CLANG! memes on top of that crap.
Title: Re: 2017 Berserk TV Series (Season 2)
Post by: ApostleBob on April 19, 2017, 01:37:47 PM
Lighten up guys. Are we really saying we can't have fun with the poor choices this poor adaptation made, or else risk the reputation of the series being ruined forever? That's a little hyperbolic, and the quality of the manga stands on it's own feet.

Title: Re: 2017 Berserk TV Series (Season 2)
Post by: Walter on April 19, 2017, 02:09:48 PM
It's so bad and stupid but the shitposts that have come from it crack me up.
This shit posts are about the only good thing to have come from this anime.
I'm not so sure if shit posts are really a good thing.

I think the way "shitpost" is being tossed around here is a bit of a misnomer. Making fun of something is not a shitpost. Making funny animated gifs to exemplify how bad something is is  also not a shitpost. A shitpost is something that is fundamentally worthless, contributing nothing. And they get deleted on sight pretty regularly around here. But if the author uses humor while adding to the conversation — of course, that's acceptable. However, posting shit for the sake of posting shit (LAZY MIURA FUCK OFF, IDOLM@STER)? Sorry. There are other places for imbibing such "humor."
Title: Re: 2017 Berserk TV Series (Season 2)
Post by: Demon Knight on April 19, 2017, 03:13:48 PM
I didnt watch the last episode because I think it's just too hard for me to watch this arc getting hardly destroyed... it was my fav arc since the PS2 game came out. It has pretty great moments (just like how each arc in Berserk does) yet this studio messed everything up.


I guess i may stop watching this. For me it's unwatchable. I may just watch Berserker armor episode. And the episode where Guts fights Ogre (because that one was amazing to me yet they will probably ruin it) also Slan VS Guts moment



I wonder when will Berserk ever get an excellent adoption in both movies/animes or videogames.


PS
Title: Re: 2017 Berserk TV Series (Season 2)
Post by: Phonon89 on April 21, 2017, 11:25:30 AM
Has anyone considered the very rare possibility that there might be a silver lining to them rushing the episodes?

I might be wrong, but isn't it the general consensus that the manga has been going on hiatus in order to wait for the anime?

So, if that is true, then when the anime catches up to the manga would that mean the hiatuses would be less frequent and we might actually get an end to this story within the next five years?

Just a thought.
Title: Re: 2017 Berserk TV Series (Season 2)
Post by: Aazealh on April 21, 2017, 12:17:49 PM
I might be wrong, but isn't it the general consensus that the manga has been going on hiatus in order to wait for the anime?

No, it's just that the recent batch of manga episodes was likely collected so that its release could be timed with that of the TV series. So the hiatus might have been shorter, but there would have still been one.

So, if that is true, then when the anime catches up to the manga would that mean the hiatuses would be less frequent and we might actually get an end to this story within the next five years?

It's possible that the hiatuses will become less frequent, but I highly doubt the story will end within five years.
Title: Re: 2017 Berserk TV Series (Season 2)
Post by: Griffith on April 21, 2017, 03:02:26 PM
Question: What's going to happen to the manga adaptation when the TV series it's based on ends? :troll:


Seriously, the less these two have to do with each other, the better; I get synergistic release dates, but in a just world the manga shouldn't have to hurry up, wait, or pay any mind at all to what its bastardized offshoot is doing. I keep entertaining the thought of catching up, because I love the parts of the story being adapted and would like to see it, but by the same token it just hurts every time I try to watch.
Title: Re: 2017 Berserk TV Series (Season 2)
Post by: Sareth on April 21, 2017, 03:54:26 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/7GKztYB.jpg)

(http://i.imgur.com/QSGqSHq.png)
Title: Re: 2017 Berserk TV Series (Season 2)
Post by: Walter on April 21, 2017, 04:45:28 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/7GKztYB.jpg)


Well, at least it's finally appropriate for them to be copying and pasting the character model.
Title: Re: 2017 Berserk TV Series (Season 2)
Post by: Griffith on April 21, 2017, 05:14:33 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/7GKztYB.jpg)

Can't wait to see Guts' encounter with Slan in her domain:

(http://vignette2.wikia.nocookie.net/reboot/images/e/ed/Sacrifice2721wa.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20091108050914)
Title: Re: 2017 Berserk TV Series (Season 2)
Post by: ApostleBob on April 21, 2017, 06:09:45 PM
I actually thought this was one of the better episodes the show has had. Aside from the trolls, the animation was pretty strong, and the story was really faithful. Isidro's comedy worked for me better here than in the manga at times. All this being said, this was a character development episode which actually took it's time. I'm expecting the next couple to get bad again as we get to Enoch village's big fight.

I also fully expect the Apostle's at Flora's village to be copy pasted as well, which will piss me off a lot.They're each supposed to be unique.

Anyway, this one was a pretty decent episode.
Title: Re: 2017 Berserk TV Series (Season 2)
Post by: Sareth on April 21, 2017, 06:31:54 PM
Isidro's comedy worked for me better here than in the manga at times.

Isidro and Puck are the only part of the adaptation that I genuinely like. I don't pay much attention to them in the manga but here they're actually funny and super cute.
Title: Re: 2017 Berserk TV Series (Season 2)
Post by: Walter on April 21, 2017, 06:38:54 PM
Isidro and Puck are the only part of the adaptation that I genuinely like. I don't pay much attention to them in the manga but here they're actually funny and super cute.

Agreed. I think it helps that their actors have good comedic timing, and the director tends not to get in their way.
Title: Re: 2017 Berserk TV Series (Season 2)
Post by: Killakcin on April 21, 2017, 09:51:55 PM
I actually thought this was one of the better episodes the show has had. Aside from the trolls, the animation was pretty strong, and the story was really faithful. Isidro's comedy worked for me better here than in the manga at times. All this being said, this was a character development episode which actually took it's time. I'm expecting the next couple to get bad again as we get to Enoch village's big fight.

I also fully expect the Apostle's at Flora's village to be copy pasted as well, which will piss me off a lot.They're each supposed to be unique.

Anyway, this one was a pretty decent episode.

I had similar feelings about the last episode. If they pull off three decent episodes in a row, we might actually be able to call it a trend. :ubik:

I actually thought the trolls looked alright. No one will say they look amazing, but their so inhuman that they completely avoided the uncanny valley. Their sound design is also on point. That growl was perfect for expressing a sense of menace.

The background of Flora's mansion was very well done. The hand drawn image looks like they pulled it straight from the manga. On the other hand, Flora's face was nearly as bad as Grunbelds. You'd think that they could figure out lip flaps by now. The visuals of the show would improve dramatically if characters mouths didn't look like they were made of playdoh.
Title: Re: 2017 Berserk TV Series (Season 2)
Post by: __Bonfire__ on April 22, 2017, 12:11:01 AM
Aside from the 3d models of the trolls(and sheep) this episode was alright. Some funny moments, couple of decent battle shots, also Farnese looks much better in this season, overall less boring than the last episode
Title: Re: 2017 Berserk TV Series (Season 2)
Post by: Sareth on April 22, 2017, 12:33:53 AM
also Farnese looks much better in this season

Yeah, I noticed they made some adjustments to her jawline and made her chin and nose less pointy. Her short hair looks off, being less detailed than the previous style, and kinda looks like fettuccine or something.
Title: Re: 2017 Berserk TV Series (Season 2)
Post by: residentgrigo on April 28, 2017, 05:24:31 PM
Last ep. was 5/10 and No. 17 is a 6/10, as they only had to do a huge exposition dump for 20 minutes this time. The ep. still completely fell apart in the last minute, as they butchered the troll attack. Overall the best or 2nd best ep. of the overall show and better than any 20 min. chunk of the films. See, i get to say something positive about this endeavor! Seeing Elfhelm in light of the current manga eps. was fun too. My biggest gripe is the directing. Nearly every single shot did something wrong but this week again showed that the often "praised" (well, not here) 2D animation is as bad as the 3D segments. They needed to rely on them due to the many talking heads and i wasnīt a pretty sight. Ah, something positive to close off. Chiwa Saito IS  :schierke: . Well done lady, 2nd best casting after :farnese: .
The preview for next week looks rough though.

@Griffith I just re-watched a bit of Reboot on YouTube and it has way better animation that what GEMBA gave us :ganishka: . I was frankly surprised how well the 3D puppets moved, when compared to the ugly surroundings.
Title: Re: 2017 Berserk TV Series (Season 2)
Post by: ApostleBob on April 28, 2017, 07:26:26 PM
Another fairly faithful episode. I noticed a few lines cut, but nothing that really seemed catastrophic. This was an essential episode to the series lore, so I'm glad it stayed mostly intact. The animation was mostly fine as well, other than a few clunky camera moves. The colors are really working well for the series in these last two episodes.
Title: Re: 2017 Berserk TV Series (Season 2)
Post by: Killakcin on May 01, 2017, 03:19:54 PM
Again, another decent episode. This season has been consistently better than last season. I'm really surprised that we spent the whole episode at the tree house considering the usual pace of this series.

I am starting to worry that these last few episodes have been better because there has been less action. I'm crossing my fingers that the battle with the trolls will be handled better than previous fights in the series. (I'm still salty about how bad they butchered the Zodd rematch). I'll be looking for a lot less unnecessary rapid cuts. There is simply no justifiable reason do that with an animated show like this.
Title: Re: 2017 Berserk TV Series (Season 2)
Post by: Walter on May 01, 2017, 03:42:06 PM
How was the music during Flora's segment? Any more jazz music or moaning voices?
Title: Re: 2017 Berserk TV Series (Season 2)
Post by: Grail on May 01, 2017, 03:56:26 PM
I was also surprised that they didn't cut this part of the story too short, since there wasn't a lot of action. I'm shocked to say it, but had the episode been traditionally animated, it would have kind of been fun to watch...! :magni: God, I feel dirty just saying it.

How was the music during Flora's segment? Any more jazz music or moaning voices?
I actually don't recall any jarring musical interludes from when I saw the episode, so I guess no news is good news as far as that's concerned.
Title: Re: 2017 Berserk TV Series (Season 2)
Post by: Gamehowitzer on May 01, 2017, 05:44:32 PM
So i did kind of watch the episodes finally..... not really i just kind of put them on while i played video games. I didnt sit down and watch them like last season and because of that i noticed nothing that bothered me. Don't hit me  :farnese: If i keep hearing postive... errr... indifferent response about this season maybe ill st down and give it a chance.
Edit: There was one thing that bothered me actually. Were the trolls supposed to look so large? They seem to have made them larger.
Title: Re: 2017 Berserk TV Series (Season 2)
Post by: IncantatioN on May 01, 2017, 06:21:46 PM
I was also surprised that they didn't cut this part of the story too short, since there wasn't a lot of action. I'm shocked to say it, but had the episode been traditionally animated, it would have kind of been fun to watch...! :magni: God, I feel dirty just saying it.

Oooooo ... glad to know.

I'd been on the fence whether to watch it weekly or not ... but I decided to marathon the season once it was completed. I subscribed to CrunchyRoll around the time the season began and streamed the first 3 episodes weekly in the background, without watching it.
Title: Re: 2017 Berserk TV Series (Season 2)
Post by: Killakcin on May 05, 2017, 04:14:45 PM
New episode is out. It was ok, nothing really stood out, except possibly Schierke's protection spell. The action scenes where heavily edited, but at least the different cuts had a purpose. Although, I think they use the zoom-in-zoom-out shot way too much. Exaggerated camera movements like that should be kept to a minimum, if used at all.

I watched a few fight scenes from season 1 to see if there had been any improvement this season. I watched the fight vs the skeletons, vs the goat man, and vs the torturers. Aside from a couple particularly terrible shots (that ridiculous 720 degree panning shot around guts head in episode 1 and the general sloppiness vs the goat man when guts pulls out his cross-bow) , the editing for the fight scenes has remained largely the same. I was hoping to find some sort of improvement, since the fight scenes are not shot particularly well. Instead I've found that the creators seem content with their below average status quo... disappointing...

I think we can at least say that season 2 has improved its pacing, and the editing of it's non-fight scenes. They've done this mostly by extending character and conversation scenes, and by not using all of those stupid exaggerated moving camera shots where it wasn't even remotely necessary, and sticking to your run of the mill close-up and wide shots. Although, I would say that it looks like they're guessing when it comes to the editing decisions. Their moving and slow zoom shots don't really seem to have a definite purpose, it looks more like they're moving the camera just to move the camera.

If I were to grade this season right now, I would give it a C-. It's only that high because it's an improvement over season 1. The show is still sloppy and unfocused, and likely made by someone who does not love berserk the way that we do.

I'm gonna go cry over missed opportunities now... :judo:
Title: Re: 2017 Berserk TV Series (Season 2)
Post by: Sareth on May 05, 2017, 06:00:20 PM
Another meh episode.

Oh, boy. Troll cave next episode. Get ready for the awkward and inappropriately hilarious gang bang and belly busters.  :troll:
Title: Re: 2017 Berserk TV Series (Season 2)
Post by: RaffoBaffo on May 05, 2017, 06:47:04 PM
I dread the coming of CG Slan.
Title: Re: 2017 Berserk TV Series (Season 2)
Post by: ApostleBob on May 05, 2017, 07:09:36 PM
Another pretty faithful episode that relies very heavily on the manga panels. Isidro and Schierke are coming our really well. The art is better, but the style things are presented are still very often awkward. I do have to say that I'm seeing improvements overall.
Title: Re: 2017 Berserk TV Series (Season 2)
Post by: Sareth on May 05, 2017, 09:54:36 PM
(https://media.giphy.com/media/3og0IBpjFhvbcpxYZ2/giphy.gif)

For fuck's sake  :ganishka:
Title: Re: 2017 Berserk TV Series (Season 2)
Post by: Griffith on May 05, 2017, 10:22:01 PM
https://media.giphy.com/media/3og0IBpjFhvbcpxYZ2/giphy.gif

For fuck's sake  :ganishka:

 :isidro:

Well, now we know who's using the Beherit.

I just looked at a bit of the Incarnation scene and Jesus... there will be a moment, like Azan noticing that they're now fighting side by side with Guts and them acknowledging each other and it'll almost be like, a decent scene and recognizably a Berserk adaptation, which, being a lover of Berserk, I'd like to see more of. Then purple paper-cutout CGI Zodd shows up to see Griff and everything is awful. =(
Title: Re: 2017 Berserk TV Series (Season 2)
Post by: Walter on May 06, 2017, 12:22:09 AM
I caught up. Anyone else notice the pleasantly jarring animation change in Ep 17, when the group got their equipment? The entire scene was done in 2D, from a different team of animators (looks like the people who did the opening). We've seen a few moments where the 2D guys took over, and suddenly it felt like a different show completely. But a full scene, wow it was something.

Here's a clip from Ep 18 from that team of animators:

(http://www.skullknight.net/images/season2-differentanimators.gif)

A few other notables from Ep 18, the trolls look god-awful.

(http://www.skullknight.net/images/season2-trolls.gif)

Though it sure was nice of them to completely freeze as Farnese life Casca up.

(http://www.skullknight.net/images/season2-trolls-takeabreak.gif)

And I'm not sure why, but they gave young Flora long, wavy hair.

(http://www.skullknight.net/images/season2-flora.jpg)



Title: Re: 2017 Berserk TV Series (Season 2)
Post by: Sareth on May 06, 2017, 01:02:21 AM
Anyone else notice the pleasantly jarring animation change in Ep 17, when the group got their equipment?

Did you notice Guts' boots disappearing in between the 2D and 3D shots?

(http://i.imgur.com/RGXkcfU.jpg)

(http://i.imgur.com/sQIKwzz.jpg)



A few other notables from Ep 18, the trolls look god-awful.
Though it sure was nice of them to completely freeze as Farnese life Casca up.

They did the same lazy shit last season with the possessed heretic crowds.
Title: Re: 2017 Berserk TV Series (Season 2)
Post by: N7Paladin on May 06, 2017, 02:30:43 AM

(http://www.skullknight.net/images/season2-trolls.gif)


 :ganishka:

The one troll towards the middle just sits there motionless the entire time. I can't help but chuckle at it.
Title: Re: 2017 Berserk TV Series (Season 2)
Post by: Gamehowitzer on May 06, 2017, 06:32:57 PM
Episode 6 of season 2 i actually sat and watched for the second half and i noticed they fixed several of the problems that plagued the first season. At least in this instance.
1. The awful clang. They used a toned down version of it when guts cuts the 1st group of trolls in front of the church, and they even mixed it up with a couple other sound effects.
2. When he was telling the others to go and help the villagers i thought the voice acting was phenomenally better than last season. He actually had some difference in the tone of his voice and spoke like a real person. Basically he dropped the edge off the tone how he spoke for all of the 1st season.
3. Animation and camera movement is much better. Wouldn't say its great but certainly an improvement.
That's just what i noticed and what stood out to me.
Title: Re: 2017 Berserk TV Series (Season 2)
Post by: Killakcin on May 06, 2017, 11:43:11 PM
:ganishka:

The one troll towards the middle just sits there motionless the entire time. I can't help but chuckle at it.

Oh my god... SO LAZY! How do you miss that?  :mozgus: Sloppy!
Title: Re: 2017 Berserk TV Series (Season 2)
Post by: Hitoshura on May 10, 2017, 06:21:55 AM
Titles for Episodes 22-24 have been revealed.

22.炎の旅立ち (Departure of Flame)
23.告げられし兆し(Proclaimed Omens)
24.人間の都市(City of Humans)
Title: Re: 2017 Berserk TV Series (Season 2)
Post by: Sareth on May 10, 2017, 12:14:47 PM
WTF they're making it to Vritannis?? I thought maybe they'd get as far as the beach and Skull Knight talking to Guts and Schierke.
Title: Re: 2017 Berserk TV Series (Season 2)
Post by: jackson_hurley on May 10, 2017, 12:19:15 PM
WTF they're making it to Vritannis?? I thought maybe they'd get as far as the beach and Skull Knight talking to Guts and Schierke.

I would not be surprised if what you are saying will happen in the "proclaimed omen" episode. They move so fast most of the times. Sadly  :judo:
Title: Re: 2017 Berserk TV Series (Season 2)
Post by: Walter on May 10, 2017, 01:26:30 PM
WTF they're making it to Vritannis?? I thought maybe they'd get as far as the beach and Skull Knight talking to Guts and Schierke.

Yeah, wow. It's quite a bit of progress for 12 episodes. 3/4 of the Millennium Falcon arc. It doesn't leave the season at a very logical ending point, either. When they arrive at Vritannis, they're just beginning to set up events for 2-3 volumes of action.
Title: Re: 2017 Berserk TV Series (Season 2)
Post by: Sareth on May 10, 2017, 02:29:19 PM
Yeah, wow. It's quite a bit of progress for 12 episodes. 3/4 of the Millennium Falcon arc. It doesn't leave the season at a very logical ending point, either. When they arrive at Vritannis, they're just beginning to set up events for 2-3 volumes of action.

The decision making behind this adaptation is so mysterious.
Title: Re: 2017 Berserk TV Series (Season 2)
Post by: ApostleBob on May 10, 2017, 07:52:20 PM
They're going to catch up with the Manga next season. They're racing towards a red light. At best they can go back and animate the Black Swordsman and Lost Children. Then what? Animate the Grunbeld novel?
Title: Re: 2017 Berserk TV Series (Season 2)
Post by: residentgrigo on May 10, 2017, 08:02:53 PM
The was no other realistic scenario for an ending point, so this back-season is just the PS2 game, but less pleasant. No sane person would finance a new episode order, as this would need to start a fresh production. Even pirates + sites as reddit barely care about the show anymore... This forum is also crawling along by now. The sign of danger right there.
I still suspect that 1-24 was a packaged deal, so get ready for some random OVA for the end, or nothing. Which i would vastly prefer, as i found ep. 6 to be borderline unwatchable (3/10). It and many upcoming ones are action focused, and these people are less then equipped for that. Goddam Beast Wars looked more majestic. The Vritannis visit is even more visually complex... "That team" Walter pointed out would pull it off, but we arenīt blessed with them. I truly wonder how they feel that their work is attached to this show.

PS: I somehow nearly stopped hearing this seasonīs clangs till ep. 6, as my attention is barely there at this point. Ep.6 though, holly shit :isidro: . CHANG came back, with a vengeance! I am perceiving it wrong or did the sound "engineer" go all in last time?
Title: Re: 2017 Berserk TV Series (Season 2)
Post by: jackson_hurley on May 10, 2017, 10:46:23 PM
Ep.6 though, holly shit :isidro: . CHANG came back, with a vengeance! I am perceiving it wrong or did the sound "engineer" go all in last time?

Well, like with the beast, you can't restrain it forever!  :ganishka:

On another note, I also think this 24 ep was a one shot deal. But this just makes me wonder who's gonna do the rest. I'm pretty sure some of the major players want to animate all of it ( they didn't succeed well at this but still) so eho's next and how horrible will it be?

Unless the plan was a movie deal for the golden age and the rest in episode format..
Title: Re: 2017 Berserk TV Series (Season 2)
Post by: DANGERDOOOOM on May 12, 2017, 01:00:24 AM
I'm sure this comment will be quite a revelation, but compared with this new season of Berserk, playing at the same time as the new Attack on Titan season, it sickens me of what could have been with the story and animation of Miura's masterpiece.

Good thing I'm a masochist with this garbage and love grinding my teeth with each episode. :judo:
Title: Re: 2017 Berserk TV Series (Season 2)
Post by: Menosgade on May 12, 2017, 10:33:59 AM
I'm sure this comment will be quite a revelation, but compared with this new season of Berserk, playing at the same time as the new Attack on Titan season, it sickens me of what could have been with the story and animation of Miura's masterpiece.

Good thing I'm a masochist with this garbage and love grinding my teeth with each episode. :judo:

We still have to wait to see them trash our beloved armour. Since they used it so much for propaganda, killing the adrenaline of that completely unexpected moment we meet the armour in the manga, it might just be a spectacular garbage.
Title: Re: 2017 Berserk TV Series (Season 2)
Post by: residentgrigo on May 12, 2017, 04:32:15 PM
I was streaming Berserk Musou (6/10 - a reasonable return on my 29€) from the PS4 to my Vita and put on the new ep. when i saw that it came out without dropping the handheld.
Grinding for a trophy held my attention more than the show! This is where i am now, my favorite arc reduced to this. No. 19 was thus mostly an audio drama for me. Which was the way to go this week,
as the director of this ep. butchered about every camera placement he could. In an action episode :rickert: ! Some of the magic bits were fine though and the acting of Schierkeīs VA is quite something. I lastly let the OP and ED run for once and noticed that the vocals of the OP are really good! The rest though.... eh. 4/10       

The preview incudes the iconic shot of Slan demasculated Guts. So the pacing is just sad at this point. My 2nd favorite scene (after the culmination of the Eclipse) turned to a pupet show farce on fast forward.

@jackson_hurley Hellsing Ultimate (2006-12) technically went though 3 animation studios but the ability to sell viable international rights and the cap of only 10 episodes made the producers push though till the end. The important factor, besides the reasonable market interest, was that the producers stayed the same. These switched quite a lot from the films to the 2016 show for Berserk though.
I also noticed that there is no "Berserk committee", or whatever, being credited / named anywhere. These usually form when someone wants to franchise out a property long form and in multiple mediums.
We got a 3 films, 2 seasons, 1 game, new toy lines, a guide book, a (light?) novel and even a pachinko machine since 2012. Hakusensha is certainly trying to raise the profile of Berserk, as the novel will target teens (if it is indeed a LN) and the pachinko demographic goes for folks over 50. Thatīs quite a net but the end result feels like watching a friend starting up prostitution :schnoz: .

No one seems to be ruining the asylum. We still got the manga BUT someone needs to put a foot down regarding quality control soon, or they will commission a dakimakura ("hug pillow") line if this goes on. But hey, One Piece got official mouse pads with breast and Eva even seized the lingerie market! Who knows...
Title: Re: 2017 Berserk TV Series (Season 2)
Post by: Killakcin on May 12, 2017, 06:03:58 PM
I'm really surprised that so many of the villagers got 2D animations. There were at least 3 shots where each villager had a unique hand drawn face. Very unexpected, considering the track record of this group...
Title: Re: 2017 Berserk TV Series (Season 2)
Post by: Aazealh on May 13, 2017, 06:37:37 PM
On another note, I also think this 24 ep was a one shot deal. But this just makes me wonder who's gonna do the rest. I'm pretty sure some of the major players want to animate all of it ( they didn't succeed well at this but still) so eho's next and how horrible will it be?

No one will do it. Don't you get it? This was a one-off thing. No one's chomping at the bit to invest 25 million in a Berserk TV series, or we'd have a quality adaptation instead of this garbage.

it sickens me of what could have been with the story and animation of Miura's masterpiece.

A feeling shared by all Berserk fans everywhere I'm sure. :sad:
Title: Re: 2017 Berserk TV Series (Season 2)
Post by: Hitoshura on May 17, 2017, 06:14:47 AM
Full version of the Season 2 opening song.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CVNy1p3CrVM
Title: Re: 2017 Berserk TV Series (Season 2)
Post by: Gamehowitzer on May 17, 2017, 06:28:06 PM
One thing i always hate about these type of music videos is that the instruments they're playing don't always look like it matches with the music. Not that i would really know considering I've never played an instrument but still.
Title: Re: 2017 Berserk TV Series (Season 2)
Post by: Walter on May 17, 2017, 06:29:40 PM
One thing i always hate about theses​ type of music videos is that the instruments they're playing don't always look like it matches with the music. Not that i would really know considering I've never played an instrument but still.

I think the phenomenon you're describing is known as "being on a set in a music video sequence."
Title: Re: 2017 Berserk TV Series (Season 2)
Post by: Gamehowitzer on May 17, 2017, 11:25:34 PM
I think the phenomenon you're describing is known as "being on a set in a music video sequence."
Yeah you got it. Point is i hate that the instruments don't sync to the music. Otherwise whats the point in them even playing the instruments in the video. It's just a stupid little thing that bothers me.
Title: Re: 2017 Berserk TV Series (Season 2)
Post by: Hitoshura on May 19, 2017, 08:19:28 AM
http://berserk-anime.com/products/bd/index.html
Release date and cover for Blu-Ray box set volumes 3 & 4

Vol.3
Release date: July 21
Episodes 13 - 18
(http://i.imgur.com/1vcsMqM.jpg)

Vol.4
Release date: September 21
episodes 19-24
(http://i.imgur.com/k3NTwDg.jpg)
Title: Re: 2017 Berserk TV Series (Season 2)
Post by: Sareth on May 19, 2017, 01:43:42 PM
Hai Yo was used exactly as anticipated


This is so cute.

(http://i.imgur.com/v4Y9auK.png)
Title: Re: 2017 Berserk TV Series (Season 2)
Post by: Griffith on May 19, 2017, 03:35:40 PM
Too bad the show doesn't actually look like that for the most part. I don't really get the whole faux sketched texture effect, like it's highlighting this comes from a really well-illustrated series to the point that the art is a major draw... while they're making it look like crap on TV. Kind of a weird thing to highlight, but maybe that's just my interpretation.

(https://news.artnet.com/app/news-upload/2014/04/Ecce-Homo.jpg)

Come and get it!
Title: Re: 2017 Berserk TV Series (Season 2)
Post by: Walter on May 19, 2017, 03:58:48 PM
Too bad the show doesn't actually look like that for the most part. I don't really get the whole faux sketched texture effect, like it's highlighting this comes from a really well-illustrated series to the point that the art is a major draw... while they're making it look like crap on TV. Kind of a weird thing to highlight, but maybe that's just my interpretation.

It's their standard "end of episode" still. They've been doing more hand-drawn stuff in this season, and for the nano-seconds that those cels are on-screen, it looks decent instead of completely embarrassing. The problem is it inevitably swaps back to the CG stuff, which is still just fucking awful.
Title: Re: 2017 Berserk TV Series (Season 2)
Post by: Gamehowitzer on May 19, 2017, 05:40:44 PM
The episode overall seemed okay I suppose. I hated that I literally couldn't tell what was on the screen for half this episode. I had my phones brightness all the way up too. And when guts was starting to kill the trolls the light flashing across the screen (his sword) I couldn't even tell it was his sword at first. Not until the troll bodies were flying and he came into the picture.
Let me rephrase that 1st sentence. The episode seemed okay story wise.
Title: Re: 2017 Berserk TV Series (Season 2)
Post by: __Bonfire__ on May 19, 2017, 11:34:22 PM
I liked this one. So far I think it's one of the best episodes this series offered us, alongside the one in Flora's mansion, wich was quieter and had some funny moments. The voice actress for Slan was pretty good
Title: Re: 2017 Berserk TV Series (Season 2)
Post by: Sareth on May 20, 2017, 02:14:36 AM
What expression is this?

(http://i.imgur.com/Te4IRa4.jpg)
Title: Re: 2017 Berserk TV Series (Season 2)
Post by: Killakcin on May 20, 2017, 05:16:42 AM
What expression is this?

(http://i.imgur.com/Te4IRa4.jpg)

Somewhere between "Hrrung" and "DeDeDe"
Title: Re: 2017 Berserk TV Series (Season 2)
Post by: ApostleBob on May 26, 2017, 04:31:37 AM
This series has no more story for more than two more seasons at the pace it's at. And that's pushing it.
Title: Re: 2017 Berserk TV Series (Season 2)
Post by: jackson_hurley on May 26, 2017, 03:41:21 PM
Whats that about the. Next episode? "The witch's recollection". Are we gonna get a boring classic episode of re-tell? Around the end of the season too? Because from what we've seen in the preview, we mostly see parts that we already saw this season... A bit lame if thats gonna be the case.
Title: Re: 2017 Berserk TV Series (Season 2)
Post by: residentgrigo on May 26, 2017, 04:25:14 PM
No. 20 was the 2nd worst ep. the show ever had, so i couldnīt even bother to comment. I will admit that this ep. told itīs story slightly better but it might be the most awkward looking yet. Itīs the most unfinished too. YouTube 3D animation tutorials done by 1 person look much much better! Meaning that the end of our odyssey is turning out to be quite grueling. Thank god that the next episode might be a recap, as even anime only viewers will then fully realize what sort of product was offered to them. A vapid final try at a crash grab with no redeeming values. I will also be able to skip another 20 minutes in anime hell. 2/10 for both and "S02" is now officially worse than S01 :magni: .

PS: Poor :beast: . Your abysmal VA was the cherry on this shit Sunday. At least they skipped using Hai Yo, as No. 20 had the worst use to date yet.
Title: Re: 2017 Berserk TV Series (Season 2)
Post by: Gamehowitzer on May 26, 2017, 04:56:08 PM
Man I was hoping they'd actually try to animate the berserk armors transformation instead of reusing old art  :schierke:
But to be fair they were probably just playing it safe so they didn't get more backlash for doing really bad jobs at pivotal points.
Title: Re: 2017 Berserk TV Series (Season 2)
Post by: ApostleBob on May 26, 2017, 04:57:09 PM
Why the fuck are they gonna waste an episode on recap filler? If the next episode needs more time, just take a page out of Miura's book and delay until it's done right. An audience doesn't need context switch right at a pivotal moment just so the anime team can get their shit together. These bozos...
Title: Re: 2017 Berserk TV Series (Season 2)
Post by: Walter on May 26, 2017, 05:02:46 PM
(http://www.skullknight.net/images/apostle-transform.gif)

(http://www.skullknight.net/images/apostle-transform2.gif)

vs

(http://www.skullknight.net/images/apostle-transform2a.gif)
Title: Re: 2017 Berserk TV Series (Season 2)
Post by: Grail on May 26, 2017, 05:07:36 PM
http://www.skullknight.net/images/apostle-transform.gif

Oh, help me Jesus.
Title: Re: 2017 Berserk TV Series (Season 2)
Post by: Sareth on May 26, 2017, 05:08:37 PM
Holy shit, that was awful. That was the jankiest looking episode in the whole series.
Title: Re: 2017 Berserk TV Series (Season 2)
Post by: jackson_hurley on May 26, 2017, 05:31:21 PM
Can't be worse then the part where Guts looks like he's gonna shit himself if he walks at a regular pace. Just a bit after he falls from the astral wounds that Slan gave him... I like last episode better then this one to be honest.
Title: Re: 2017 Berserk TV Series (Season 2)
Post by: Walter on May 26, 2017, 05:43:00 PM
Whats that about the. Next episode? "The witch's recollection". Are we gonna get a boring classic episode of re-tell? Around the end of the season too? Because from what we've seen in the preview, we mostly see parts that we already saw this season... A bit lame if thats gonna be the case.

Why the fuck are they gonna waste an episode on recap filler? If the next episode needs more time, just take a page out of Miura's book and delay until it's done right. An audience doesn't need context switch right at a pivotal moment just so the anime team can get their shit together. These bozos...

I think they just didn't have anything to show for the next episode yet. This episode felt incredibly rushed. They apparently didn't have time to polish it even to their regular dumpster fire standards. Flora's final moments, one of the series' greatest reveals, and yet it's probably the worst episode in the series. Great fucking job.
Title: Re: 2017 Berserk TV Series (Season 2)
Post by: jackson_hurley on May 26, 2017, 05:47:25 PM
I think they just didn't have anything to show for the next episode yet. This episode felt incredibly rushed. They apparently didn't have time to polish it even to their regular dumpster fire standards. Flora's final moments, one of the series' greatest reveals, and yet it's probably the worst episode in the series. Great fucking job.

I know. It's crazy how sometime you get a "decent" (and I'm stretching decent here for obvious reasons) and then the next one is all messed up and badly animated. And then they sell us that product for a ridiculous amount of money. Heh I'll keep my money to continue my Japanese collection to better support Miura instead. I wish I could get them all in one shot but I'm poor so it'll take a while sadly.
Title: Re: 2017 Berserk TV Series (Season 2)
Post by: MrFlibble on May 26, 2017, 06:19:59 PM
 :zodd: *throws apostle corpse 50 yards away

"DON'T RUN AWAY FROM ME"
Title: Re: 2017 Berserk TV Series (Season 2)
Post by: Johnny Apples on May 26, 2017, 06:20:21 PM
(http://www.skullknight.net/images/apostle-transform.gif)

(http://www.skullknight.net/images/apostle-transform2.gif)

vs

(http://www.skullknight.net/images/apostle-transform2a.gif)

Gunnery Sgt. Hartman's reaction, after he finds a copy of the latest Berserk anime episode smuggled inside the barracks disguised as a doughnut

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NCNum4YAXSc

I know. It's crazy how sometime you get a "decent" (and I'm stretching decent here for obvious reasons) and then the next one is all messed up and badly animated. And then they sell us that product for a ridiculous amount of money.

What is truly offensive is the fact that Liden Films/GEMBA/Millepensee continue to spit in our faces and expect us to pretend that it's raining  :mozgus:
Title: Re: 2017 Berserk TV Series (Season 2)
Post by: ABH on May 26, 2017, 07:16:22 PM
I'm not going to argue over the general complaints over animation, but I see the opposite issues as most. I think they put time into this episode as their big moment, and simply didn't stick the landing. The models have improved greatly in quality and are somewhat more fluid than last season. Action sequences have been underwhelming since day 1 and I don't expect much change there. They put more care into this episode than most, but the full limitations of the series are going to always be there for those who can't and won't accept them (I won't really judge there - it's not what the source material deserves).

The Apostles look far better than that awful dog apostle thing from early last season or Mozgus and his gang.

I think this was the strongest episode overall of the series done to date because I care most about atmosphere, narrative, and music. The pacing was still an issue, but they at least hit some of the right emotional moments. This material could be about two full episodes on its own. The director at least lingered at a few moments and hit the right moments. Musical choices were the most appropriate this series has managed.

If you approach this episode with the lowered standards you should have after the last 20 episodes, I don't see how you could view it as the worst. It's the best in my opinion. I only just want to emphasize that I mean this as relatively faint praise.

In terms of capturing the spirit/atmosphere of the manga, this was as close as I think we're going to get from this team.
Title: Re: 2017 Berserk TV Series (Season 2)
Post by: ApostleBob on May 26, 2017, 07:51:31 PM
The praise I'll give it is where it didn't cheap out completely. I was honestly expecting three apostle clones to repeat ad naseum, but they did take the effort to design and build almost all of them (through background ones look pretty unintimidating). So good on them for staying true to apsotles each being mostly unique.

That said, the apostle transformations sucked really bad. They looked super cheap, and if it was a matter of budget, just have them emit steam to hide it like they do with Zodd or Wyald. That can't cost too much.

The fight with Grunbeld out of armor was mostly faithful, but it somehow lacks urgency and stakes. The intro to the armor was mostly well done.  Zodd still looks like a really cheap model (Why!? He's a primary character!). The series feels both cheap, and weighted down by being a nearly 1:1 adaptation to the manga. It really is faithful to a fault.

Hate on the Golden age films all you want, but the creative license in their scenes made them feel cinematic while this just feels clunky. This doesn't feel like a show or a series. It feels like a paint by numbers exercise by someone cashing a check.
Title: Re: 2017 Berserk TV Series (Season 2)
Post by: Walter on May 26, 2017, 07:55:36 PM
If you approach this episode with the lowered standards you should have after the last 20 episodes, I don't see how you could view it as the worst

I've seen them all, and I haven't laughed so hard at one of these episodes yet. It was a parody of what it was trying to convey.

In terms of capturing the spirit/atmosphere of the manga, this was as close as I think we're going to get from this team.

Better than the episode at Flora's mansion? That one was worlds better at properly conveying atmosphere along with proper pacing.

This was supposed to be an action-packed episode:  Apostle attack! Zodd and Skull Knight fighting! Grunbeld stomping Guts! Yet none of those actions carried any weight or momentum. They also all felt stitched together, with zero sense of spatial relationship, which has been a consistent problem for the people in charge of this shit. How far down did Schierke walk to get to the door, and how far down did Guts roll?! Where were the apostles in relation to when Guts first saw them and he attacked? It felt like two different series thrown together.

The biggest moments in this episode were mostly still shots separated by a lot of pausing and talking. The power of the movements of these characters fell flat. Everyone moves slow as molasses, and I cannot figure out why. Opening the book just now, it's not even comparable.  This is a child's sketch -- and a bad one -- of how these scenes felt in the manga.
Title: Re: 2017 Berserk TV Series (Season 2)
Post by: Griffith on May 26, 2017, 08:35:38 PM
Oh, help me Jesus.
http://www.skullknight.net/images/apostle-transform2.gif

(https://frinkiac.com/video/S11E15/rbQ5mVjUh09ViWll0YytGMAZqe0=.gif)
Title: Re: 2017 Berserk TV Series (Season 2)
Post by: ABH on May 26, 2017, 08:41:27 PM
Quote
The biggest moments in this episode were mostly still shots separated by a lot of pausing and talking. The power of the movements of these characters fell flat. Everyone moves slow as molasses, and I cannot figure out why. Opening the book just now, it's not even comparable.  This is a child's sketch -- and a bad one -- of how these scenes felt in the manga.

Not going to argue this, but I accepted very early on that action sequences were never going to look right. I was never more underwhelmed with the series than last season when Guts fought Mozgus's 'angels.' After that, I simply lowered my expectations for heavy motion scenes. I thought it was something they would never get down. I would have initially thought that fight scenes were the one thing they'd put resources into, but my notion was quickly dispelled.

When it comes to this iteration of Berserk, I expect the absolute least from fight scenes. I don't know enough about the animation itself to speculate as to why they struggle so much with this. I still watch, so I settle for just getting the general tone of the scene down. At least in this one, I could sort of feel what Guts was feeling.

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Better than the episode at Flora's mansion? That one was worlds better at properly conveying atmosphere along with proper pacing.

I thought that the second half of this season settled down nicely with slower scenes. That episode was enjoyable because the director seemed to slow things down and let things sink in. In terms of this episode, I reference the above to keep it in perspective. I'm somewhat defending the episode while not. It's far from ideal.

I thought the director did very good on some scenes here. The dawning of the Berserker armor was the most care I've seen put into this series. The models were more detailed than I can recall, even if they looked awkward at times in movement (my didn't 'stick the landing' remark). I think this was the episode they were building up to. Either this or the one that features Grunbeld's Apostle form.

To sum up a long winded post, I can live with bad action sequences if they get the tone of the series right. I thought they did that in this episode better than the others when combined with the content. My real hope is that this series is a prelude to something better down the road (speaking of a completely different future show), and in the mean time it provides at least some quality content. I'm more interested in the reasons why Berserk can't get a budget than this show's particular failings.
Title: Re: 2017 Berserk TV Series (Season 2)
Post by: The Beast of Darkness on May 26, 2017, 09:19:28 PM
(http://www.skullknight.net/images/apostle-transform.gif)

(http://www.skullknight.net/images/apostle-transform2.gif)

vs

(http://www.skullknight.net/images/apostle-transform2a.gif)

That's just fucking awful... they really have no shame to release that kind of thing ?

I recently watched the first season of Attack on Titan, I was impressed by the quality and wanted to see more after each episode.
In the case of this abomination, I stopped wasting my time after the fifth episode of the first season.

To be honest, the only good thing about that series is the new artworks that Miura have done for the blu-ray releases.
Title: Re: 2017 Berserk TV Series (Season 2)
Post by: Hanma_Baki on May 26, 2017, 09:39:03 PM
O_O

I'm just in complete awe at how horribly bad this is............. Its almost as if I cant believe it. Like, seriously!? How is quality this brutally bad even possible? I mean, has ANYONE ever even seen ANYTHING close to this bad before??? Am I going crazy here!?
Title: Re: 2017 Berserk TV Series (Season 2)
Post by: DANGERDOOOOM on May 27, 2017, 01:54:41 AM
Introducing!.... Isidro the Hedgehog!

Seriously though, what was with that shitty rolling animation for him  :ganishka:
Title: Re: 2017 Berserk TV Series (Season 2)
Post by: Hitoshura on May 27, 2017, 03:20:02 AM
Episode 22 has been rescheduled to air on June 9 and will be replaced with a recap next week.
(http://i.imgur.com/krM6lra.png)
Title: Re: 2017 Berserk TV Series (Season 2)
Post by: DANGERDOOOOM on May 27, 2017, 03:44:11 AM
Episode 22 has been rescheduled to air on June 9 and will be replaced with a recap next week.
(http://i.imgur.com/krM6lra.png)

Epic fail. Let us recap on the things that could have been.
Title: Re: 2017 Berserk TV Series (Season 2)
Post by: Griffith on May 27, 2017, 04:20:51 AM
Episode 22 has been rescheduled to air on June 9 and will be replaced with a recap next week.
Epic fail. Let us recap on the things that could have been.

Looks like they should have taken another week on this one, that "transformation" looks more like a transition effect I would have used in Berserk: Recut. BTW, question: did the quality improve on the season 1 DVD releases/did they retouch the animation some?
Title: Re: 2017 Berserk TV Series (Season 2)
Post by: Gamehowitzer on May 27, 2017, 08:06:35 AM
I know I said how disappointing it was seeing them use existing artwork for the last frame of the episode (not including the ed song) but I'm going to reiterate. If we analyze guts attacking with the berserk armor on, when he was inside of the monsters, it seems like his previous pose has no bearing on how he attacks to cut out of them. Not to mention how they really spent a lot of time with that cape fluttering in the wind. But all that buildup to his final armor mold, and they use pre-existing artwork to show what the berserk armor looks like. Like they just decided they were out of time to make a new model for the berserk armor head and just used google images.
Title: Re: 2017 Berserk TV Series (Season 2)
Post by: VladimirPutin on May 27, 2017, 08:17:57 AM
There are many fails in last episode, but introduction of berserker armor was actually epic.
Title: Re: 2017 Berserk TV Series (Season 2)
Post by: Aazealh on May 27, 2017, 10:07:44 AM
The series feels both cheap, and weighted down by being a nearly 1:1 adaptation to the manga. It really is faithful to a fault. Hate on the Golden age films all you want, but the creative license in their scenes made them feel cinematic while this just feels clunky.

This isn't garbage because it's faithful. It's garbage because it's garbage. The reason they mostly stick to pseudo-still frames (badly copied from the manga) is because they lack not just the budget but the actual skill to produce animation. That's why you get stuff that looks like it's from Macromedia Studio MX. These people are clearly amateurs and not very good ones. The most obvious example of this is the pacing that they consistently get wrong, to a point where it pretty much becomes a parody.

Similarly, the movies weren't less clunky because they were less faithful. They just had more talented animators (still pretty shitty ones though) and a bigger budget. Strict adhesion to specific panels of the manga was never the problem people had with them, it was the fact they didn't retell the story properly. That's what people mean by "being faithful": retelling the story without mangling it. Not adding stupid shit and not removing important parts. That was the movies' cardinal sin. I'm amazed that we're still talking about this in 2017. It's not exactly hard to understand.
Title: Re: 2017 Berserk TV Series (Season 2)
Post by: Walter on May 27, 2017, 10:27:00 AM
My desire for adaptations to be faithful to their source material doesn't mean that the art has to be recreated panel for panel. It's more important to me that the portrayal of the story and the characters -- what they say, how they act, who is in which scene -- remains consistent with the manga, and thus, leaves the continuity intact. Readers who know Berserk can spot an inconsistency of that nature a mile away, and it's usually pretty jarring.

However, I've always believed that the visuals should be adapted to suit the medium. Artists make decisions about how they portray something with the medium in mind. Comic/manga art is meant to be viewed on a page, in frozen panels, with some action happening between each panel, and some action informed by multiple panels. And to raise a specific point of folly about directly adapting comic art to a TV: comic art rarely accommodates a 16:9 dimension.

Animation provides a HUGE range of possibilities, and to me it's simply lazy or even cowardly to portray scenes JUST like they are in a comic/manga. I don't necessarily care which angle they draw Guts slaughtering trolls from. Make it look good. I don't care if they have to cut to different character reactions after a statement if such a reaction shot didn't exist in the manga. Maybe a group shot in one scene would be more accommodating to the screen dimensions instead of a close-up shot? If it makes sense to take those kinds of liberties in the adaptation -- why not? Again, make it work for the screen! The newest adaptation doesn't do that, though it's admittedly among the smallest sins it commits.
Title: Re: 2017 Berserk TV Series (Season 2)
Post by: Sareth on May 28, 2017, 03:12:57 PM
(https://i.redd.it/zlganyqrf70z.gif)
Title: Re: 2017 Berserk TV Series (Season 2)
Post by: Grail on May 28, 2017, 03:21:17 PM
https://i.redd.it/zlganyqrf70z.gif

Sometimes a gif speaks louder than words. (https://twitter.com/Bazookles/status/868534142845300740)
Title: Re: 2017 Berserk TV Series (Season 2)
Post by: Salem on May 28, 2017, 03:23:38 PM
(https://i.redd.it/zlganyqrf70z.gif)

Oh my god.  I haven't kept up this season.  These gifs are enough.   :magni:
Title: Re: 2017 Berserk TV Series (Season 2)
Post by: Aazealh on May 28, 2017, 04:03:05 PM
https://i.redd.it/zlganyqrf70z.gif (https://i.redd.it/zlganyqrf70z.gif)

Jesus Christ.
Title: Re: 2017 Berserk TV Series (Season 2)
Post by: Sareth on May 28, 2017, 04:20:25 PM
Oh my god.  I haven't kept up this season.  These gifs are enough.   :magni:

There's a part were Puck is jittering like crazy on Isidro's shoulder and Serpico moving like he's having a seizure.

(http://i.imgur.com/JfkV2ir.jpg)

Just remembered this, the skin weights on Zodd's arm are fucked up.
Title: Re: 2017 Berserk TV Series (Season 2)
Post by: Gamehowitzer on May 28, 2017, 05:55:46 PM
There are many fails in last episode, but introduction of berserker armor was actually epic.
For the most part i thought it looked good don't get me wrong. It was just very jarring to me when they switched from the CGI to the picture. I agree they portrayed the raw power it unleashes. It certainly was really cool to see it animated. I was going to say i was looking for consistency but i just realized what that meant  :ganishka: Especially considering how this production has been going.

Nevermind. I don't know how filterkeys tuned on but its off now.

Title: Re: 2017 Berserk TV Series (Season 2)
Post by: Menosgade on May 28, 2017, 06:32:17 PM
(https://i.redd.it/zlganyqrf70z.gif)

I was about to post that. I always knew inside my heart they'd not make a good anime. But hell, this is so bad it goes deeper than the Abyss IoE is in.
Title: Re: 2017 Berserk TV Series (Season 2)
Post by: Demon Knight on May 28, 2017, 07:20:25 PM
Oh my god.  I haven't kept up this season.  These gifs are enough.   :magni:
https://twitter.com/DrakeGators/status/868352679369748480?s=09
Title: Re: 2017 Berserk TV Series (Season 2)
Post by: Salem on May 28, 2017, 10:48:54 PM
https://twitter.com/DrakeGators/status/868352679369748480?s=09

Right?!  This gif actually reminded me of the first few seasons of  southpark.  Same type of movement achieved. 
Title: Re: 2017 Berserk TV Series (Season 2)
Post by: jplusip on May 29, 2017, 05:23:24 PM
This last episode has me wondering if these guys are running out of money. Overall the animation in this new adaptation hasn't been all that great (OK, fine, generally horrible), but last week's episode left me wondering if the next step is stick figures (or someone filming themselves turning pages in the manga).
Title: Re: 2017 Berserk TV Series (Season 2)
Post by: Aazealh on May 29, 2017, 06:03:49 PM
(or someone filming themselves turning pages in the manga)

That would inarguably be a superior experience to what they've produced so far.
Title: Re: 2017 Berserk TV Series (Season 2)
Post by: RaffoBaffo on May 29, 2017, 06:27:30 PM
"From the Animation Director of Inferno Cop, Berserk (2017)"
Title: Re: 2017 Berserk TV Series (Season 2)
Post by: jplusip on May 29, 2017, 07:31:47 PM
That would inarguably be a superior experience to what they've produced so far.

 :ganishka:

True enough.
Title: Re: 2017 Berserk TV Series (Season 2)
Post by: Griffith on May 31, 2017, 04:49:27 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TDzr8qoqHfM

So many of these shots really are like the manga recolors people like me would post around here back in the day... bad ones at that, "Check out how I contrasted the puke greens, neon oranges, and gunmetal grays!" (http://www.skullknight.net/images/gutsbarf.gif)
Title: Re: 2017 Berserk TV Series (Season 2)
Post by: Menosgade on May 31, 2017, 11:36:23 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TDzr8qoqHfM

So many of these shots really are like the manga recolors people like me would post around here back in the day... bad ones at that, "Check out how I contrasted the puke greens, neon oranges, and gunmetal grays!" (http://www.skullknight.net/images/gutsbarf.gif)

*Puts individual Berserk armor pieces that magically attach to the body with no stripes and buckles* High-Technology Sci-Fi armour sound effects
Title: Re: 2017 Berserk TV Series (Season 2)
Post by: Walter on June 01, 2017, 03:41:25 PM
We kind of already knew this, given that the previewed next episode is a recap, but Episode 22 (10 of Season 2) has officially been pushed back to June 9.

http://animetribune.com/berserk-2016-episode-22-season-2-episode-10-delayed/
Title: Re: 2017 Berserk TV Series (Season 2)
Post by: Johnny Apples on June 01, 2017, 05:21:04 PM
We kind of already knew this, given that the previewed next episode is a recap, but Episode 22 (10 of Season 2) has officially been pushed back to June 9.

http://animetribune.com/berserk-2016-episode-22-season-2-episode-10-delayed/

Was the episode 22's schedule preempted in favor of another program? Or did the delay happen because episode 22's CGI "animation" was so indescribably abominable that it somehow managed to outdo episode 21, prompting GEMBA/Millepensee's desperate attempt at last-minute salvaging of whatever parts of that episode that they can. That's the real mystery  :schierke:
Title: Re: 2017 Berserk TV Series (Season 2)
Post by: Menosgade on June 02, 2017, 06:17:53 PM
(https://media.giphy.com/media/3og0IIfjSKmzSNu1MY/giphy.gif)

"I have waited 20 years for this" - normal YT commentary on Berserk 2017.
Title: Re: 2017 Berserk TV Series (Season 2)
Post by: DANGERDOOOOM on June 02, 2017, 11:46:04 PM
(https://media.giphy.com/media/3og0IIfjSKmzSNu1MY/giphy.gif)

"I have waited 20 years for this" - normal YT commentary on Berserk 2017.

That transformation though
Title: Re: 2017 Berserk TV Series (Season 2)
Post by: N7Paladin on June 03, 2017, 04:25:07 PM
Jesus, that's worse than the one above of Guts walking like a South Park character.
Title: Re: 2017 Berserk TV Series (Season 2)
Post by: jplusip on June 05, 2017, 01:06:40 AM
Well, I hate to admit it, but I actually watched the recap episode. Amazingly, it sucked, even by recap episode standards.
Title: Re: 2017 Berserk TV Series (Season 2)
Post by: Walter on June 05, 2017, 01:23:27 AM
Well, I hate to admit it, but I actually watched the recap episode. Amazingly, it sucked, even by recap episode standards.

Yeah I skipped through it, just to see how they went about it. Pretty awful, so... at least it's consistent.
Title: Re: 2017 Berserk TV Series (Season 2)
Post by: Doc on June 05, 2017, 01:44:53 PM
(https://media.giphy.com/media/3og0IIfjSKmzSNu1MY/giphy.gif)

"I have waited 20 years for this" - normal YT commentary on Berserk 2017.

Zodd moves like an animatronic from Chuck-E-Cheese.
Title: Re: 2017 Berserk TV Series (Season 2)
Post by: Griffith on June 05, 2017, 02:28:27 PM
Zodd moves like an animatronic from Chuck-E-Cheese.

To be fair to Chuck and his crew, their body parts don't fade in and out of existence and they look a lot more convincing than this.
Title: Re: 2017 Berserk TV Series (Season 2)
Post by: Gamehowitzer on June 07, 2017, 12:01:13 AM
https://youtu.be/G8CGGIFhBrY
Saw this pop up in YouTube. I think it's from the musou game. Let's appreciate how good the cutscenes look.
Title: Re: 2017 Berserk TV Series (Season 2)
Post by: Walter on June 07, 2017, 12:38:39 AM
Yes, that's from Musou, but it only looks good when compared to this dumpster fire of an anime.
Title: Re: 2017 Berserk TV Series (Season 2)
Post by: Gobolatula on June 07, 2017, 01:09:55 AM
If this anime was somehow an actual living person instead of a television program, I would most likely be in prison now. That is, if giving wet willies is illegal. I never checked. Either way I'd give this anime SUCH a wet willie. Guys you don't even know.
Title: Re: 2017 Berserk TV Series (Season 2)
Post by: Gamehowitzer on June 08, 2017, 07:12:39 AM
Yes, that's from Musou, but it only looks good when compared to this dumpster fire of an anime.
I suppose that's fair. Still i thought that it looked good. last time i saw grunbeld (before and not counting this anime) it was when i was emulating the ps2 game of berserk. Speaking of which i need to finish it still lol

If this anime was somehow an actual living person instead of a television program, I would most likely be in prison now. That is, if giving wet willies is illegal. I never checked. Either way I'd give this anime SUCH a wet willie. Guys you don't even know.
I mean if this anime was an actual living person i'm pretty sure a wet willie would be the least of its worries.
Title: Re: 2017 Berserk TV Series (Season 2)
Post by: Walter on June 09, 2017, 06:31:36 PM
(http://www.skullknight.net/images/beast-shoot.gif)
(http://www.skullknight.net/images/beast-flip.gif)
(http://www.skullknight.net/images/guy-zeric.gif)
(http://www.skullknight.net/images/apostle-strut.gif)
(http://www.skullknight.net/images/grunbeld-chase.gif)
(http://www.skullknight.net/images/grabit.gif)
(http://www.skullknight.net/images/elephantlol2.gif)
(http://www.skullknight.net/images/gutshat.gif)
Title: Re: 2017 Berserk TV Series (Season 2)
Post by: Patrick on June 09, 2017, 07:14:51 PM
Yikes.

Glad I stayed away from this thing if those gifs are anything to go by.  :ganishka:
Title: Re: 2017 Berserk TV Series (Season 2)
Post by: Walter on June 09, 2017, 07:19:51 PM
Yikes.

Glad I stayed away from this thing if those gifs are anything to go by.  :ganishka:

It was better than most, but as usual, sloppy where it mattered. Also it looks like they're cutting out the apostle assault on Wyndham (and Ganishka's introduction). But who really cares anymore?
Title: Re: 2017 Berserk TV Series (Season 2)
Post by: ApostleBob on June 09, 2017, 07:57:03 PM
It was better than most, but as usual, sloppy where it mattered. Also it looks like they're cutting out the apostle assault on Wyndham (and Ganishka's introduction). But who really cares anymore?

Maybe. My guess is they're doing the same crap they did with the beginning of this season with Griffith in Shet. I bet we open with Locus and friends at Wyndham next episode. Even if we do, the pacing and ordering on this thing sucks.
Title: Re: 2017 Berserk TV Series (Season 2)
Post by: Sareth on June 09, 2017, 08:14:52 PM
(http://www.skullknight.net/images/beast-shoot.gif)

Really??  His canon is extending through his fucking hand.  :rickert:
Title: Re: 2017 Berserk TV Series (Season 2)
Post by: ApostleBob on June 09, 2017, 09:26:23 PM
Really??  His canon is extending through his fucking hand.  :rickert:

Yeah, it's really stupid. Even with an extra week to animate it, they had models cliping through stuff.  The fight itself is pretty slow and they don't add a single extra blow between the two of them, making it feel like a couple hits and they're done. And of course there's tons of monologuing between attacks.
Title: Re: 2017 Berserk TV Series (Season 2)
Post by: Gamehowitzer on June 10, 2017, 02:18:00 AM
thanks for the highlights walter. I was going to make the cannon hand post myself but it seems even though i had paint on this computer, it was removed or something. :schierke:
Edit: i forgot to add that that made it so i couldnt make my screenshot into a useable photo.
Title: Re: 2017 Berserk TV Series (Season 2)
Post by: Kaladin on June 10, 2017, 07:50:18 AM
My Eyes
(http://i.imgur.com/s3MkCbX.jpg)
Title: Re: 2017 Berserk TV Series (Season 2)
Post by: Mangetsu on June 10, 2017, 07:56:56 AM
Hopefully this is the last season of any Berserk anime ever.
Title: Re: 2017 Berserk TV Series (Season 2)
Post by: Doc on June 10, 2017, 10:09:57 AM
It's just appalling. I have no idea why this low-rent garbage was even made. Why a minority of fans continue to cut it slack, I'll never know. It's an insult to Miura's work that this thing exists. I mean, the Golden Age trilogy movies were deeply flawed but at least it had some big names (Studio 4c, Warner Bros.) behind it. We've gone from that to something that looks like a fan project done in Flash.

I don't watch much modern anime but is there anything comparable to this animation "style"? 
Title: Re: 2017 Berserk TV Series (Season 2)
Post by: Death May Die on June 10, 2017, 03:05:29 PM
This anime depresses me. I want it to end, go away, and forget it ever happened.
Title: Re: 2017 Berserk TV Series (Season 2)
Post by: rapaz on June 10, 2017, 03:26:19 PM
This anime depresses me.


agree!!!

i could not find any link to the animation studio site or a way to contact them.

can anyone help me?
Title: Re: 2017 Berserk TV Series (Season 2)
Post by: Eluvei on June 10, 2017, 05:29:15 PM
i could not find any link to the animation studio site or a way to contact them.

can anyone help me?

I don't know about the studios directly responsible for the character animation, but I've once been in contact with asurafilm for some reason, which is the studio responsible for combining the finished CGI animation with 2D elements and backgrounds, among other things (at least during the first season, I'm not sure this work is being done anymore :ganishka:). They reply to direct messages on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/asurafilm/

They're really nice!
Title: Re: 2017 Berserk TV Series (Season 2)
Post by: Walter on June 10, 2017, 06:34:13 PM
Someone on Reddit asked, and I can confirm: Grunbeld's hammer bends BEFORE the DS hits.

(http://www.skullknight.net/images/grunbeld-bend.gif)

Upon closer inspection, it actually appears to bend multiple times in this scene. I'd call this the last straw, but  :ganishka:
Title: Re: 2017 Berserk TV Series (Season 2)
Post by: The Beast of Darkness on June 10, 2017, 07:07:42 PM
Someone on Reddit asked, and I can confirm: Grunbeld's hammer bends BEFORE the DS hits.

(http://www.skullknight.net/images/grunbeld-bend.gif)

Upon closer inspection, it actually appears to bend multiple times in this scene. I'd call this the last straw, but  :ganishka:

That's what I noticed yesterday when I saw your gif.  :ganishka:
Title: Re: 2017 Berserk TV Series (Season 2)
Post by: Menosgade on June 10, 2017, 08:49:25 PM
I'm ABSOLUTELY sure they make it as bad as possible ON PURPOSE. It's unbelieveable how many people try to justify it. My heart dies a little.

Edit 1:
Someone on Reddit asked, and I can confirm: Grunbeld's hammer bends BEFORE the DS hits.

(http://www.skullknight.net/images/grunbeld-bend.gif)

Upon closer inspection, it actually appears to bend multiple times in this scene. I'd call this the last straw, but  :ganishka:

Also, they used Guts' version of the helmet to show "the last wearer" dying inside it (not to mention the laziest blood animation ever). The last wearer had a skull helmet as all we know.

Edit 2:
The "last wearer" is also wielding the Draongslayer... may God have pity of us mortals.
Title: Re: 2017 Berserk TV Series (Season 2)
Post by: Walter on June 10, 2017, 11:28:48 PM

Edit 1:
Also, they used Guts' version of the helmet to show "the last wearer" dying inside it (not to mention the laziest blood animation ever). The last wearer had a skull helmet as all we know.

Edit 2:
The "last wearer" is also wielding the Draongslayer... may God have pity of us mortals.

Yeah that's why I bothered capturing it. But it's not as convoluted as you make it out to be. Schierke is talking about the former owner bleeding out, but it's showing Guts as he is now -- bleeding out. They just chose not to allude to SK, probably so it wouldn't confuse morons.
Title: Re: 2017 Berserk TV Series (Season 2)
Post by: Death May Die on June 11, 2017, 10:07:12 AM
I posted a review of the new adaption series from one of my favorite Youtube reviewers talking about Berserk and its problems when season 1 had wrapped up. There is now a follow up review for season 2. (Focusing on only the production problems with it.)


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QrV6NysVw2c&t=5s

Title: Re: 2017 Berserk TV Series (Season 2)
Post by: Doc on June 11, 2017, 10:55:47 AM
Who's the target audience? That's what I'd like to know. Most Berserk fans hate it, and I can't see this attracting many newcomers like the '97 anime & GA trilogy did.
Title: Re: 2017 Berserk TV Series (Season 2)
Post by: Walter on June 12, 2017, 03:54:14 PM
Who's the target audience? That's what I'd like to know. Most Berserk fans hate it, and I can't see this attracting many newcomers like the '97 anime & GA trilogy did.

As always, I think the intent is just to have Berserk's name out there on a recurring basis — a media bump to increase awareness of the series. That's evident from the fact that Hakusensha has based its release schedule for volumes, new episodes, and even the Japanese release of the Musou game around the TV series' schedule. As is apparent to everyone at this point, the Berserk partners just chose the wrong team to deal with. It was probably a decision made with budget in mind, not quality, and we can see how that ended.

Since the ending of the 2016 series, the question has remained: Will we see anything animated beyond this in the near future? At what point does the bad reception catch up to the people making the decisions for the property ?
Title: Re: 2017 Berserk TV Series (Season 2)
Post by: m on June 12, 2017, 07:35:37 PM
Someone on Reddit asked, and I can confirm: Grunbeld's hammer bends BEFORE the DS hits.

Upon closer inspection, it actually appears to bend multiple times in this scene. I'd call this the last straw, but  :ganishka:

I think you're looking at this from the wrong angle: it's not poor animation, it's just a reflection of Guts' true powers. You see, the animators actually got Guts right.  :troll:

By the way, every post I read in this thread validates my decision to stop watching this show when season one ended.
Title: Re: 2017 Berserk TV Series (Season 2)
Post by: DANGERDOOOOM on June 12, 2017, 08:09:53 PM
By the way, every post I read in this thread validates my decision to stop watching this show when season one ended.

Only masochists have stuck around. I take pleasure in the cringy animation and rushed dialogue. :carcus:

Title: Re: 2017 Berserk TV Series (Season 2)
Post by: Walter on June 16, 2017, 03:52:18 PM
I uh... oh boy, this episode.

(http://www.skullknight.net/images/Berserk2017-ep23/serpico-decap.gif)
(http://www.skullknight.net/images/Berserk2017-ep23/makara-fatass.gif)
(http://www.skullknight.net/images/Berserk2017-ep23/makara-eye.gif)
(http://www.skullknight.net/images/Berserk2017-ep23/Ultros-ffvi-ios.png)
(http://www.skullknight.net/images/Berserk2017-ep23/beast-chomp.gif)
(http://www.skullknight.net/images/Berserk2017-ep23/beast-infection.gif)
(http://www.skullknight.net/images/Berserk2017-ep23/beast-slowmo.gif)
(http://www.skullknight.net/images/Berserk2017-ep23/beast-vision.gif)
(http://www.skullknight.net/images/Berserk2017-ep23/croc-drag.gif)
(http://www.skullknight.net/images/Berserk2017-ep23/schierke-is-a-boy.gif)
(http://www.skullknight.net/images/Berserk2017-ep23/schierke-is-a-boy2.gif)


To expound a bit:

Voice actors and animators conspired to ruin the interplay between Guts and Schierke at the beach. This is partially aided by them never letting Guts express anything but Robocop's personality and tone

"The fairyland to which you travel, and the fairy king who waits there ... Their name is Hanafubuku"

"Your hope may not always be her hope."

The Moonlight Boy is completely omitted. Who saves Guts then? Schierke.

No mention of the effects of the full moon having an effect on Guts' mind. 

When Serpico takes out the kushan guys, he actualyl decapitates them with the feather sword -- not the wind. The actual feather.

Ganishka's fog from the kushans emits a lightning sound.

Title: Re: 2017 Berserk TV Series (Season 2)
Post by: Aazealh on June 16, 2017, 04:14:57 PM
"The fairyland to which you travel, and the fairy king who waits there ... Their name is Hanafubuku"

It's not like we're not used to seeing shitty translations of Berserk float around, but this is a new low. It's pathetic. :miura:

"Your hope may not always be her hope."

Jesus, what a shitshow. Thanks for submitting yourself to this so that I don't have to. This adaptation is a personal affront to any real fan of the series.

The Moonlight Boy is completely omitted. Who saves Guts then? Schierke.

Of course, why bother wasting time on such an unimportant character? It would only disrupt the flow of the story!

...:mozgus:

When Serpico takes out the kushan guys, he actually decapitates them with the feather sword -- not the wind. The actual feather.

:ganishka: At some point I guess it really does become comical. Once the outrage and anger have worn off, after even the sadness and embarrassment are gone, all that's left is laughter than turns to tears.
Title: Re: 2017 Berserk TV Series (Season 2)
Post by: Cyrus Jong on June 16, 2017, 04:35:12 PM
The Moonlight Boy is completely omitted. Who saves Guts then? Schierke.

:schierke:

Seems what little heart the studios had making this shit stain they think is an adaptation just isn't there anymore. I notice a number of people on Reddit are speculating that it's a sign that the series won't be getting another season. I really, really, really hope that's true.
Title: Re: 2017 Berserk TV Series (Season 2)
Post by: Walter on June 16, 2017, 04:53:56 PM
I notice a number of people on Reddit are speculating that it's a sign that the series won't be getting another season. I really, really, really hope that's true.

I think that's a poor premise to base on scenario that seems likely in any case. The boy could have been included pretty easily here.
Title: Re: 2017 Berserk TV Series (Season 2)
Post by: jackson_hurley on June 16, 2017, 05:19:16 PM

Jesus, what a shitshow. Thanks for submitting yourself to this so that I don't have to. This adaptation is a personal affront to any real fan of the series.


I could not agree more about that.

I was pretty disappointed about the moonlight boy not being present. Like Walter said, he could have easily been introduced in that episode...

Megabummer time :/

Only one more to go before the disaster ends, right?
Title: Re: 2017 Berserk TV Series (Season 2)
Post by: Walter on June 16, 2017, 06:29:16 PM
Only one more to go before the disaster ends, right?

Yep, and I have utterly no idea how they plan to end this. The next logical ending point isn't for another 4 volumes (Volume 32: Setting Sail). Given the track record, I suppose it's possible they'll just roll into Vritannis, let Schierke have her scene with Sonia (confirmed in the preview) then head to the docks and sail away. Or just end it abruptly with then in Vritannis looking for a ship? Would be terrible...
Title: Re: 2017 Berserk TV Series (Season 2)
Post by: jackson_hurley on June 16, 2017, 06:35:57 PM
Given the track record, I suppose it's possible they'll just roll into Vritannis, let Schierke have her scene with Sonia (confirmed in the preview) then head to the docks and sail away.

If that happens I might puke. I've been mostly tolerant so far about that series (I don't even know why to be honest) even though the numerous mistakes and changes. But that would be some kind of a last straw. It's already borderline for me considering they did not introduced the boy. Sad sad times.

I'll rejoice knowing I'm gonna pick up last episode's Young animal after work. And gonna order vol39 + ep351. It'll be some kind of a consolation to wash my eyes with pure awesome visuals and storytelling by the master himself. (the only thing that matters anyway)  :guts:
Title: Re: 2017 Berserk TV Series (Season 2)
Post by: residentgrigo on June 16, 2017, 06:59:19 PM
This weekīs ep. was more coherent that the last, at least in the first half, so a 3/10 is itīs reward.
I am back for something else though, even if Walter has the same hunch. I am putting in writing that the gang will just board the Seahorse after they meet Sonia. Roderick may have a cameo as the captain, or not, but the 2012 promise of adapting on the whole series (to that point), at least Gutīs side, will be complete then. No loosing face or anything for the producers, as they gave us what we all wanted! …right :judo:? Musou didnīt give a shit about establishing the Kushan forces, or Griffith īs side either (why was Laban even in No.22?) and our favorite mystery boy was missing too.
If the superior told game, even in the rushed 2nd half, canīt bother to properly “earn” the boat, then why should this anime?

We may lastly get Griffith on the cliff staring down Guts during the credits, with text over the scene. Because thatīs how you adapt key scenes :troll: .   
Title: Re: 2017 Berserk TV Series (Season 2)
Post by: Mangetsu on June 16, 2017, 08:35:01 PM
Being honest i don't care at this point anymore. Whatever way they chose to end this pile of dogshit, just let the next episode be the last. That's all i want.

Im moreso interested into how YA will keep on releasing the Manga in the future considering that the series always came back at the start of a new season.
Title: Re: 2017 Berserk TV Series (Season 2)
Post by: Salem on June 16, 2017, 10:14:58 PM
I think I was a little less critical than most of the first season, which was awful.  In any event I haven't watched a single episode of the second season.  Sometimes not watching is ok.  Why must most Berserk spinoffs SUCK?!
Title: Re: 2017 Berserk TV Series (Season 2)
Post by: DANGERDOOOOM on June 16, 2017, 11:31:19 PM
(http://www.skullknight.net/images/Berserk2017-ep23/makara-fatass.gif)
(http://www.skullknight.net/images/Berserk2017-ep23/beast-chomp.gif)
(http://www.skullknight.net/images/Berserk2017-ep23/beast-slowmo.gif)

(https://media.giphy.com/media/p8x53GxmcSWqY/giphy.gif)
Title: Re: 2017 Berserk TV Series (Season 2)
Post by: xfool on June 17, 2017, 06:08:37 AM
Someone on Reddit asked, and I can confirm: Grunbeld's hammer bends BEFORE the DS hits.

(http://www.skullknight.net/images/grunbeld-bend.gif)

Upon closer inspection, it actually appears to bend multiple times in this scene. I'd call this the last straw, but  :ganishka:

The swing is so powerful that the wind generated by the force bend it  :ganishka:

However bad this season is , its still better than the first as it cant get any worse than the starting episode I believe, btw iis this gonna end next episode too?
Title: Re: 2017 Berserk TV Series (Season 2)
Post by: Gamehowitzer on June 17, 2017, 06:22:16 PM
I never realized just how bad the pacing was until i saw this episode. I haven't read back through the manga in a while but i feel like a huge chunk is missing from between the previous episode and the current. Anyone able to confirm?
Title: Re: 2017 Berserk TV Series (Season 2)
Post by: Walter on June 17, 2017, 07:11:09 PM
I never realized just how bad the pacing was until i saw this episode. I haven't read back through the manga in a while but i feel like a huge chunk is missing from between the previous episode and the current. Anyone able to confirm?

The apostles assault on Wyndham and Ganishka's introduction were cut entirely. That includes Silat and the Tapasa finding Ganishka's daka chamber.
Title: Re: 2017 Berserk TV Series (Season 2)
Post by: kanji on June 17, 2017, 10:12:27 PM
Damn! Reading all these posts shocks me. I wasn't up on the communities response to this anime at all, personally I love it!!!

I'm not new to the manga. Picked it up in 2007 and been running with it ever since. Watched the 1997 anime twice and the film trilogy.

I'm actually really really enjoying this season. Every time that music play and Guts swings his sword and carves up monsters I get goose pimples!!

I love the music, the SFX, the CGI, the character designs, the monsters. For sure, of course it could be better if a studio like Madhouse picked it up, but after having no anime for 20 years and dealing with numerous hiatuses, I'm just so pleased to be able to see my favourite characters animated, coloured and voiced!!

I don't know when this season will end, but I really hope they do Guts and Zodd vs Ganishka!! I'll admit they've taken liberties with the source material, omitting important scenes and changing the sequence of some events, but I can see their doing it to make it more coherent and comprehensible for casual viewers. I had to re-read some chapters, and ever entire volumes 3/4 times to actually understand what was going on.

By comparison the anime is very easy to follow.
Title: Re: 2017 Berserk TV Series (Season 2)
Post by: Walter on June 17, 2017, 11:08:46 PM
I'm just so pleased to be able to see my favourite characters animated, coloured and voiced!!

That's a pretty low bar to clear. And this adaptation certainly passes these hurdles: Things move on screen, they're in color and people voice the characters. There's even music (at least 4 tracks!).

Quote
don't know when this season will end,

All indications are that it will end next episode.

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i'll admit they've taken liberties with the source material, omitting important scenes and changing the sequence of some events, but I can see their doing it to make it more coherent and comprehensible for casual viewers. I had to re-read some chapters, and ever entire volumes 3/4 times to actually understand what was going on.

I genuinely don't understand how anyone could look at the awful pacing, the wholesale disregard or ignorance of key scenes, and say this improves on what Miura had done.

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By comparison the anime is very easy to follow.

  Toilet paper instructions are easy to follow too. So they dumbed down Berserk and this is somehow praiseworthy?
Title: Re: 2017 Berserk TV Series (Season 2)
Post by: Rupert Sinclair on June 18, 2017, 01:12:17 AM
The apostles assault on Wyndham and Ganishka's introduction were cut entirely. That includes Silat and the Tapasa finding Ganishka's daka chamber.

This, along with the Moonlight Boy being cut, definitely suggests there aren't any plans for more, if that wasn't already apparent.  Man, what a mess.  Good riddance.

I love the music, the SFX, the CGI

I can't believe anyone could honestly say this.   :magni:

I had to re-read some chapters, and ever entire volumes 3/4 times to actually understand what was going on.

Which parts were so confusing to you exactly?  It's fairly straightforward...

By comparison the anime is very easy to follow.

I don't think this adaptation will make anything easier to understand for the casual viewer.  In fact, it would likely have the opposite effect.
Title: Re: 2017 Berserk TV Series (Season 2)
Post by: Oburi on June 18, 2017, 03:15:18 AM
I'd just like to say that I'm proud to still have never watched any Berserk related animations after that first Golden Age movie all those years ago. I feel so bad for everyone that has been forcing themselves to sit through this just because it's Berserk related, especially the admins.
Title: Re: 2017 Berserk TV Series (Season 2)
Post by: kanji on June 18, 2017, 05:53:53 AM
I genuinely don't understand how anyone could look at the awful pacing, the wholesale disregard or ignorance of key scenes, and say this improves on what Miura had done.

For the record I wouldn't once say that I'd prefer this over the manga. It's certainly no improvement on Miura's work. All I will say is it's entertaining for what it is and imho doesn't deserve the bashing it's receiving. It's my go-to anime of the season and I would be disappointed if it isn't renewed.

Which parts were so confusing to you exactly?  It's fairly straightforward...

To be honest I had a hard time following the underlying story of the demon child, the events with the Egg of the Perfect World, the rebirth of Griffith and the appearance of The Boy and how they are all related (or not). Perhaps a lot of it was due to reading bad translations back in 2008. Either way I found the anime dumbed it down significantly enough to make it easier for me to understand.
Title: Re: 2017 Berserk TV Series (Season 2)
Post by: Demon Knight on June 18, 2017, 07:38:39 AM
Sorry. But the last thing to say is "CGI" of this anime is good. It's not even half good if u ask me. Compare it to the golden age movies cgi which was not that good as well but it's still 50 times better than this crap.
Animes should just never use 3D models. They can't do it perfectly at all..
Watching this anime and then going back to 1997 Berserk anime seeing Guts Black Swordsman design is just makes u want to cry for not having a new anime with a very great  Guts design like 1997
And how much the CGI anime ruined two of the best Berserk arcs. Not to mention the crappy direction.


The Berserk games (Musou) and PS2 has the best CGI designs if u ask me.but the 2016 and 17 animes? Hell no. Not even close...
Title: Re: 2017 Berserk TV Series (Season 2)
Post by: Aazealh on June 18, 2017, 07:45:24 AM
I'd just like to say that I'm proud to still have never watched any Berserk related animations after that first Golden Age movie all those years ago.

As you should be. This was – and still is – the wisest course of action.
Title: Re: 2017 Berserk TV Series (Season 2)
Post by: Walter on June 18, 2017, 11:25:47 AM
I accidentally canceled my Crunchyroll subscription a week before the final episode. Whoops.  :ganishka:

Someone else will have to carry on the GIF legacy  :void:
Title: Re: 2017 Berserk TV Series (Season 2)
Post by: jackson_hurley on June 18, 2017, 02:03:50 PM
I accidentally canceled my Crunchyroll subscription a week before the final episode. Whoops.  :ganishka:

Someone else will have to carry on the GIF legacy  :void:

I would if I knew how, but I'm sure someone will pick up the task for the last one! Hehe

I have a question, did we see minister Foss in the first trilogy? I don't remember seeing him. But mysteriously he is there when they infiltrate Windham in season 2... I've always wondered how they explain that guy since we never saw him in the movies...

If we did see him, then forget what I've just asked, been a while I watched the movies and might be a long while before I watch them again. I don't think I have to explain why.  :magni:
Title: Re: 2017 Berserk TV Series (Season 2)
Post by: Aazealh on June 18, 2017, 02:33:08 PM
I've always wondered how they explain that guy since we never saw him in the movies...

This TV series isn't an official continuation of the movies. They were done by completely separate teams and are unrelated.
Title: Re: 2017 Berserk TV Series (Season 2)
Post by: jackson_hurley on June 18, 2017, 03:03:56 PM
This TV series isn't an official continuation of the movies. They were done by completely separate teams and are unrelated.

My bad. I forgot about that fact.
Title: Re: 2017 Berserk TV Series (Season 2)
Post by: VengeanceQuest982 on June 18, 2017, 09:28:59 PM
I'm very curious to hear what the overall view is for Berserk the 2016/2017 Project (I've seen the episodes so I know its a farce) versus the past 2 adaption productions pros and cons.
Title: Re: 2017 Berserk TV Series (Season 2)
Post by: Menosgade on June 19, 2017, 10:45:52 AM
imho doesn't deserve the bashing it's receiving.
But it does. A group of "professionals" is getting paid for an increasingly bad work that carries the name of Berserk on it. A name that didn't have an adaptation for years - and that means an eager audience for anything you throw at them. And it worked, partially. For me this is shite from the very first teaser up to the last scene, except for the 2D scenes.

Either way I found the anime dumbed it down significantly enough to make it easier for me to understand.
You didn't understand it. At least not thanks to the anime, but because you read the manga. You can't understand something by the anime that they didn't show you.
Title: Re: 2017 Berserk TV Series (Season 2)
Post by: Doc on June 19, 2017, 07:09:55 PM
But it does. A group of "professionals" is getting paid for an increasingly bad work that carries the name of Berserk on it. A name that didn't have an adaptation for years - and that means an eager audience for anything you throw at them. And it worked, partially. For me this is shite from the very first teaser up to the last scene, except for the 2D scenes.

The first teaser trailer killed any hopes I had for this series, but even then I never expected it to be quite this bad.
Title: Re: 2017 Berserk TV Series (Season 2)
Post by: Phonon89 on June 22, 2017, 01:00:12 AM
Do you have any proof or sources to back this up? I'm not trying to be challenging, but I've yet to see any solid proof for exactly why the hiatuses keep occurring. I realize this hiatus could be due to the chapter being the last in the volume. However, I am willing to bet that the next anime season will happen some time in winter when the manga returns. The crap pacing of the anime is helpful in this way.
Title: Re: 2017 Berserk TV Series (Season 2)
Post by: Walter on June 22, 2017, 02:07:08 AM
Do you have any proof or sources to back this up? I'm not trying to be challenging, but I've yet to see any solid proof for exactly why the hiatuses keep occurring. I realize this hiatus could be due to the chapter being the last in the volume. However, I am willing to bet that the next anime season will happen some time in winter when the manga returns. The crap pacing of the anime is helpful in this way.

They have recently been tied to the anime, but that doesn't mean they always will be... There's been no indication of another season so far. The best indication  of it will come in the next and final episode of  this season.

Hiatuses have been around for the entire series, increasing substantially in 2006. No reason is given for them. A safe bet is that they are how Miura balances his work and life schedule so that he doesn't burn out early like many others have. 
Title: Re: 2017 Berserk TV Series (Season 2)
Post by: Hitoshura on June 23, 2017, 01:06:05 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/KIRqOZT.jpg)
The last shot of Episode 24.
source: https://twitter.com/dsgtng/status/878250067551039488
Title: Re: 2017 Berserk TV Series (Season 2)
Post by: jackson_hurley on June 23, 2017, 01:11:51 PM
Oh well, I kinda felt it...
Title: Re: 2017 Berserk TV Series (Season 2)
Post by: Tabris on June 23, 2017, 01:45:35 PM
Sigh, really wish it wouldn't 'continue'. The shitshow wildride goes on.

I could see it coinciding with a winter release at the end of December with the manga coming back bleh.
Title: Re: 2017 Berserk TV Series (Season 2)
Post by: Johnny Apples on June 23, 2017, 01:48:35 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/KIRqOZT.jpg)

Motherfucker..... :mozgus:
Title: Re: 2017 Berserk TV Series (Season 2)
Post by: jackson_hurley on June 23, 2017, 01:50:52 PM
Motherfucker..... :mozgus:

Yup. I have this ridiculous feeling that it'll keep going on for a while with the manga coming back again every time. Please tell me I'm wrong and that this is a stupid feeling...
Title: Re: 2017 Berserk TV Series (Season 2)
Post by: Mangetsu on June 23, 2017, 01:53:27 PM
Pretty sure that the a new season will be announced for winter.
Title: Re: 2017 Berserk TV Series (Season 2)
Post by: Hitoshura on June 23, 2017, 02:08:24 PM
It's really hard to say right now if a Season 3 will be made or not. "The Story Continues" could mean to go read the manga for the rest. I sure hope that's the case.
Title: Re: 2017 Berserk TV Series (Season 2)
Post by: jackson_hurley on June 23, 2017, 02:19:39 PM
It's really hard to say right now if a Season 3 will be made or not. "The Story Continues" could mean to go read the manga for the rest. I sure hope that's the case.

Indeed, I was just thinking about that a few seconds ago after watching the episode. But I would not be surprised to have another one to be honest. Not that I'm excited about that prospect...
Title: Re: 2017 Berserk TV Series (Season 2)
Post by: Aazealh on June 23, 2017, 02:31:05 PM
It's really hard to say right now if a Season 3 will be made or not. "The Story Continues" could mean to go read the manga for the rest. I sure hope that's the case.

Indeed.
Title: Re: 2017 Berserk TV Series (Season 2)
Post by: residentgrigo on June 23, 2017, 02:41:03 PM
"The Story Continues"... just not in the anime, as S01E12 had VERY a different stinger at the end. It blatantly said, "Spring 2017: The next Arc Arrives" with a bit of teaser footage. None of that can be found here, so i am free of my curse. No more anime :ubik: . At least in form of TV seasons or films, as they could still pull a final OVA. The production company somehow released a Terra Formars OVA last month that jumped by multiples volumes ahead in the story. The madmen. PSX graphics Sea God may still be upon us and this ep. indeed featured Griffith on a cliff as one of the very final images. 

My takeaways from the final ep. are these: How did they managed to fail at animating a caricature of a duck? Bonebeard should be the worst executed/voiced pirate i ever saw in animation. And someone at the studio legitimately thinks that the most important part of an episode must be hidden behind credits, as they now did it multiples times. 3/10 for this series finale and a 2/10 for S02. 

Edit: Oh wait. The Grunbeld novel is written by the anime head writer. I will lol pretty hard if it gets adapted as a final gift to the fans (nice art on the pages by Miura btw).
Title: Re: 2017 Berserk TV Series (Season 2)
Post by: Menosgade on June 23, 2017, 05:03:00 PM
Edit: Oh wait. The Grunbeld novel is written by the anime head writer. I will lol pretty hard if it gets adapted as a final gift to the fans (nice art on the pages by Miura btw).

That's exactly why it'll be another black sheep in Berserk history.
Title: Re: 2017 Berserk TV Series (Season 2)
Post by: Femto777 on June 23, 2017, 06:24:45 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/KIRqOZT.jpg)
The last shot of Episode 24.
source: https://twitter.com/dsgtng/status/878250067551039488
:mozgus: NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!

It's really hard to say right now if a Season 3 will be made or not. "The Story Continues" could mean to go read the manga for the rest. I sure hope that's the case.
God I hope your right.
Title: Re: 2017 Berserk TV Series (Season 2)
Post by: Demon Knight on June 23, 2017, 06:41:14 PM
This better be a damn joke. Do they freaking realize how they ruined the series? Or are they doing it in purpose or something. They ruined Berserker armor, Grunbeld fight and etc


All these stuffs were 10 times better in PS2 game that was made in 2004. What a shame..
When I was playing the game back in the days i was much more excited and the atmosphere is on point in Berserker armor transformation in PS2 game. And the fight against Grunbeld, and the Zodd fight in hill of swords


Yet in this shitty anime all i can hear is clanning all over and the amimition is freaking terrible


They better stop this shit really
Title: Re: 2017 Berserk TV Series (Season 2)
Post by: DANGERDOOOOM on June 23, 2017, 07:34:58 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/KIRqOZT.jpg)
The last shot of Episode 24.
source: https://twitter.com/dsgtng/status/878250067551039488

(http://www.reactiongifs.com/r/omgcw.gif)

Seriously though, I had a funny feeling this would happen. What a shame. Can't wait to see how they will fuck up the Sea God and everything in between. Looks like this shit train will keep going against any of our wills. All we can do is bite the pillow :judo:



Title: Re: 2017 Berserk TV Series (Season 2)
Post by: residentgrigo on June 23, 2017, 08:22:42 PM
I do have something final to say. I looked up where the anime exactly ended, to set a proper note on MU (Vol. 29 ep.249), and these madmen adapted 6 manga eps. this week.
Thatīs 120 pages in a 20 minute segment. No wonder that none of it worked! A 3rd act Death Note ep. and Bokuranoīs pilot once (competently) adapted about 200 uninterrupted pages in such an amount of time but GEMBAīs "zeal" still needs to be noted.

Last ep. would have further needed to introduce Daiba but we certainly know why they skipped him. Azanīs return also remains MIA, which makes zero sense, but the duck segment made in on the air :???: . They even had the pumpkin salesman attack Isidro during a truly bewilder montage, yet the anime never featured his first appearance. This just shows how little the writers and directors understood the manga. The studio(s) adapted a cameo joke yet look what ended up on the cutting room floor. Berserk 2012-17 in a nutshell but S02 deserves a special place in anime hell.
I held on till the end and my reward was seeing things get worse :daiba: . 
Title: Re: 2017 Berserk TV Series (Season 2)
Post by: DANGERDOOOOM on June 24, 2017, 12:53:42 AM
(http://i.imgur.com/Huc9cn2.jpg)

Oh. My. GOOOOD!!!!! MY EYYEEEEES! :isidro: :magni:

Title: Re: 2017 Berserk TV Series (Season 2)
Post by: Cyrus Jong on June 24, 2017, 01:12:59 AM
What They Say: The story continues...

What They Mean: Really, there's more story to be told! But we don't know if we can tell it anymore because nobody liked or watched our shit since we have no talent. So buy our Blu-rays so we can get another season going! Please, we're beggin you! Buy lots of them! Get them for your friends! Tell them the discs make good coasters! C'mon, we desperately need the money! Our careers are resting on this! Look, I know we did a terrible job, but if I don't bring in some real money soon, my wife's going to...oh, no! She's carrying a suitcase. She's walking out the door. My wife just left me. My parents have disowned me. I...don't have anything now. Just my job working for low-rent animation studio...and I'm terrible at it! I guess...I'm just gonna have to end it all. Goodbye, cruel world. Good–

BANG!

Oh. My. GOOOOD!!!!! MY EYYEEEEES! :isidro: :magni:

They're just not trying anymore, are they?
Title: Re: 2017 Berserk TV Series (Season 2)
Post by: Sareth on June 24, 2017, 03:26:20 AM
Oh. My. GOOOOD!!!!! MY EYYEEEEES! :isidro: :magni:

That's absolutely atrocious, I can't stop laughing :ganishka:

They're just not trying anymore, are they?

Were they ever trying?
Title: Re: 2017 Berserk TV Series (Season 2)
Post by: Hanma_Baki on June 27, 2017, 10:24:41 PM
What They Say: The story continues...

What They Mean: Really.... ...I'm just gonna have to end it all. Goodbye, cruel world. Good

BANG!


OMG that fantasy is so satisfying I literally found myself laughing out loud with such an evilness I didn't think I was capable of :ganishka: seriously thank you, I needed that moment of happiness
Title: Re: 2017 Berserk TV Series (Season 2)
Post by: Nothingwillbewong on June 27, 2017, 11:40:57 PM
Can't believe how much I got shat on in the reddit when this shitstain's first trailer came out and i was like Uh Oh these animators, cant animate and these sound designers can't sound design. Hate to get  satisfaction from such a collective hate from the fanbase now  :griffnotevil: But dammit it brought new fans, which I can't comprehend but it did?
Title: Re: 2017 Berserk TV Series (Season 2)
Post by: Rupert Sinclair on June 27, 2017, 11:47:36 PM
it brought new fans, which I can't comprehend but it did?

Probably not the kind of fans we would prefer.
Title: Re: 2017 Berserk TV Series (Season 2)
Post by: Nothingwillbewong on June 27, 2017, 11:50:48 PM
Probably not the kind of fans we would prefer.
Ahaha true, but I have been surprised by some of them
Title: Re: 2017 Berserk TV Series (Season 2)
Post by: Johnny Apples on June 27, 2017, 11:51:32 PM
Can't believe how much I got shat on in the reddit when this shitstain's first trailer came out and i was like Uh Oh these animators, cant animate and these sound designers can't sound design. Hate to get  satisfaction from such a collective hate from the fanbase now  :griffnotevil: But dammit it brought new fans, which I can't comprehend but it did?

Whatever the amount of new fans the 2016 anime has attracted, it's only a fraction of what could have been had Berserk received a faithful and decently animated adaptation. And furthermore, assuming those new fans became the paying consumers of the Berserk manga, that happened not because of the 2016 anime but in spite of it. 
Title: Re: 2017 Berserk TV Series (Season 2)
Post by: Nothingwillbewong on June 27, 2017, 11:55:48 PM
Whatever amount of new fans the 2016 anime has (allegedly) attracted, it's less than a fraction of what could have been had Berserk received a faithful and decently animated adaptation. And even then, assuming those new fans became the paying consumers of the Berserk manga, that happened not because of the 2016 anime but in spite of it. 
I'm just going on the people that go on reddit and post like ''Hi new fan from the anime and started reading the manga'' not on alleged statistics, plus the amount of growth the reddit and the general interest has had can't be denied, and ofc an actual not piece of garbage adaptation would be a much more effective and important source of new berserk hype, but that's hypotheticals and not the point I was making
Title: Re: 2017 Berserk TV Series (Season 2)
Post by: Walter on June 28, 2017, 12:42:50 AM
Can't believe how much I got shat on in the reddit when this shitstain's first trailer came out and i was like Uh Oh these animators, cant animate and these sound designers can't sound design. Hate to get  satisfaction from such a collective hate from the fanbase now

Dude, no one cares about your victory lap around anonymous Internet straw men on a completely different site. Grow up.

But dammit it brought new fans, which I can't comprehend but it did?

Why is it hard to comprehend? It's a new anime. It got headlines, carrying the name Berserk to more people, and it reignited activity in wayward fans. Naturally it's going to attract a few more people than it would if there were nothing, even if the subpar quality eventually caught up to the collective perception of the adaptation (it was a slow burn in that direction for most casual fans). The net was always going to be a positive for the overall series, because the manga quality ISN'T shit, and people stick around for it. This is the entire reason this garbage we had to endure even exists.

Now for some numbers. The latest sales figures we have pre-date the 2016 anime. However, Berserk gained 5 million readers worldwide from July 2015 to Feb 2016 (from 35m (http://www.cbr.com/comics-a-m-berserk-manga-has-35-million-copies-in-print/) to 40m (https://animeanime.jp/article/2016/02/04/26821.html)), which is a pretty significant gain for that brief time frame. Note that this growth was documented before the launch of the anime, but during the window of time that it was announced -- a testament to the hype built around the series from the mere announcement that a new anime was coming.
Title: Re: 2017 Berserk TV Series (Season 2)
Post by: GiantSword Mufasa on June 28, 2017, 10:57:26 AM
(http://i.imgur.com/Huc9cn2.jpg)

Oh. My. GOOOOD!!!!! MY EYYEEEEES! :isidro: :magni:


Bruh....
Title: Re: 2017 Berserk TV Series (Season 2)
Post by: Delta Phi on July 01, 2017, 03:03:44 AM
Marathoned the second half of the season last night, and I was thoroughly unimpressed with anything it offered (what a surprise). I'll leave it short since my feelings align with most everyone else's sentiments. The only positive comment I can say is that some of the animations were improved from last season, but largely everything was the same or worse. I was particularly bothered by the assault on Flora's mansion. I can only hope this shit is finally done and buried.
Title: Re: 2017 Berserk TV Series (Season 2)
Post by: ApostleBob on July 07, 2017, 04:27:23 PM
This article on the series just came out BTW, outlining the behind the scenes disaterpiece that occurred. 

http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/feature/2017-07-07/what-the-heck-happened-to-berserk/.117834
Title: Re: 2017 Berserk TV Series (Season 2)
Post by: Walter on July 07, 2017, 04:41:52 PM
Boy, they sure seem to have a lot of information about the production without actually listing any sources. :ganishka:

It's what everyone already knew, with a bit more specifics — staff inexperienced with 3D, a director who insisted on a style that clearly wasn't working, and time crunch.
Title: Re: 2017 Berserk TV Series (Season 2)
Post by: Aazealh on July 07, 2017, 04:46:03 PM
This article on the series just came out BTW, outlining the behind the scenes disaterpiece that occurred. 

http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/feature/2017-07-07/what-the-heck-happened-to-berserk/.117834

It's unfortunate they provide zero sourcing for all that behind-the-scenes information. Anime News Network should at least attempt to look professional.

That aside, the main problem I have with this article is how the author attempts to paint the situation as a tragic inevitability, with the conclusion basically being that no one should be blamed. On the contrary, every person who worked on that clusterfuck of a project bears the blame for it. That includes the director and producer, but not only. I don't buy the bullshit excuse about 3DSMax not being able to render the models because they were so good, so they had to be turned into shit instead. It's a cheap excuse. It all just reeks of poor planning, poor skills, poor management, poor execution. A squandered budget by a bunch of incompetents who hopefully will never work in the field again.
Title: Re: 2017 Berserk TV Series (Season 2)
Post by: Menosgade on July 07, 2017, 05:54:00 PM
This reminds me a lot about what happened to Mass Effect: Andromeda. Incompetent people in charge, lots of useful time wasted, leading to huge schelude pressure and people blaming their tools, as if nobody knows what they're working with. Bullcrap, of course. The difference is ME:A had a staff with some actual skill to work on it.

It's a shame this crap studio gets paid at the cost of Berserk's name.
Title: Re: 2017 Berserk TV Series (Season 2)
Post by: Demon Knight on July 07, 2017, 06:53:06 PM
Even if this artical has no sources and weather it's true or not. They will never admit that they are so terrible and their work is not professional. They blame their tools and not themselves  like almost everyone else.

Nobody is gonna accept their excuces anyway. They destroyed one of the best manga series of all time. And after makimg two terrible adoptions of it they are like"oh sorry our tools are not good so we f***ed up"


If they are gonna blame their tools, actually not only CGI thing is bad. The whole anime is terrible, direction, timing useage for music *Hai yo everytime*  and soundeffects *GLANG* And camera angles is bad too. And it moves fast as fk.

They better never ever touch Berserk again after what the disaster they made in these 2 years.
Title: Re: 2017 Berserk TV Series (Season 2)
Post by: Azure Park on July 07, 2017, 08:39:46 PM
I just sent a tweet to The Canipa Effect (Collum May) asking if he's willing to discuss specific sources. I'm waiting for a response.
Title: Re: 2017 Berserk TV Series (Season 2)
Post by: Johnny Apples on July 07, 2017, 08:41:51 PM
This article reads not so much as an "exposé" on the behind-the-scenes making of the 2016-2017 Berserk anime, but as an attempt to whitewash and exculpate the Berserk Partners, Liden Films, GEMBA and whoever else responsible for making this abortion of an adaptation.

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But to say the staff lacked foresight would be unfair. Many voices within GEMBA spoke out as the project was being greenlit, skeptical about their ability to produce such taxing work.

Interesting. If there were dissenters within GEMBA who realized they were biting off way more than they could chew, then why we've never heard their voices when the 2016 anime was first announced?   ::)
But it would be great if a kind soul from within GEMBA/Liden Films was generous enough to reveal the current Berserk anime's budget. That person can use the Wikileaks or even Reddit to leak that information. Because the series' budget is the elephant in the room that May keeps constantly alluding to throughout his article, but carefully dancing around it without mentioning directly. Only a wretchedly low budget could explain why Berserk ended up getting animated by some shoddy moe anime studios like GEMBA/Millipensee. Because the high-caliber anime studios like Madhouse, Sunrise or Production IG do not come cheap. Nor do the services of top tier directors like Shinichiro Watanabe, Hideaki Anno or even Naohito Takahashi for that matter.

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It's been argued that Itagaki's history with brightly-colored comedy and silly action series would clash with the dark and gritty world of Berserk, but the real cause of the conflict turned out to be Itagaki's insistence upon a very particular aesthetic that proved too difficult to achieve.

For fuck's sake.... :mozgus:
Really, man? So according to May, Shin Itagaki's ADHD-style directing had absolutely nothing to do with this series being a steaming pile of shit that it is? And that the issue was just the "aesthetic" choices, and everything else about Itagaki was was fine and dandy?

A quick Google search on Itagaki reveals that he is, first and foremost, a moe anime specialist. About 95% of stuff he worked on before Berserk lies in moe/kawaii genre. You have to look no further than "Teekyuu" to see what type of lowest-common-denominator horseshit he's passionately into (seriously - he directed, scripted, edited, storyboarded and even composed the music for that thing) and if you need evidence as to how woefully unfit he's for directing anything even remotely resembling Berserk.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JONNUF65tLY

Notice how Itagaki's trademark hyperactive directing style, jumpy scene transitions and herky-jerky pacing are already firmly established in Teekyuu, way before he had the opportunity to perpetrate those self-same "talents" onto Berserk.

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3D animation is the only practical way to adapt Berserk to a television series in today's anime production environment.

Let's see if I'm reading this correctly - has the Japanese anime industry so far degraded since the 1990s, that it's become impossible to produce serious, mature anime that doesn't look like shit? Or is he saying that Berserk is unworthy of receiving an anime adaptation with the integrity and the production values afforded to the likes of Attack on Titan or Fullmetal Alchemist: Brotherhood? And that Berserk deserves to be chucked into the hands of grossly incompetent morons who can't direct worth shit, write worth shit or animate worth shit?
If this is what the "today's anime production environment" has come to, then it's far better off if Berserk anime never got made in the first place. At least not until if the anime industry recovers from its current stagnation and there would be a door open for a faithful and decently animated Berserk series.
Title: Re: 2017 Berserk TV Series (Season 2)
Post by: Azure Park on July 07, 2017, 09:45:25 PM
This article would explain a lot if it were reliable and true (I'm hoping we can get more information out of the author, and we should be skeptical in the meantime), but I agree with Johnny that the animation and rendering is only one part of the problem. All of the technical difficulties with the 3D could have been avoided if they had ponied up for a decent 2D production staff in the first place, and I reject the notion that it could have only been made in 3D. I think it could have been made decently in 3D if they'd given it to a more capable 3D studio such as Toei or Polygon, but given the state of the art right now it probably couldn't look as good as proper 2D. 3D anime is rapidly getting better on the cutting edge but it's still not there yet.

Anyway, Itagaki's incompetent directing style and the series composition that left out so much material would have shot the show in the foot even if it had been gorgeously animated. I thought the movie trilogy was wonderfully animated whenever it stuck mostly with 2D, but the problems with the story and writing alone were enough to bring it down. Berserk (2016) was a catastrophic failure in multiple departments (let's not forget the music and sound), and this article only scratches the surface of that multifaceted failure.
Title: Re: 2017 Berserk TV Series (Season 2)
Post by: Azure Park on July 07, 2017, 11:10:30 PM
So all the information is from an article in this January 2017 issue of CG World. If I understand correctly it was translated by Frog-kun (Kim Morissey), who passed the information on to Canipa (Collum May). Frog kun tweets:

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I helped do the research for this one. Well, I just read an old CG World article for Callum, which contained ALL the answers. It was hard to dig up any other interviews, maybe because the production was so tragic that nobody involved could bear talking about it. The CG World article was actually pretty funny, the way it tried to spin the entire shitfest in a positive way. *lists ALL the ways Berserk went wrong* "The staff was able to overcome their challenges and finish the project!"

Magazine:
https://www.amazon.co.jp/dp/B01IP5I24C/

Tweets:
https://twitter.com/frog_kun/status/883469670648471553

Title: Re: 2017 Berserk TV Series (Season 2)
Post by: Cyrus Jong on July 08, 2017, 04:27:24 AM
I really hope more people on the inside speak up and describe what the royal fuck what went wrong in the second cour soon, because it looks like production was really falling apart at the seams by then. The shit that happened there should never have gone to print, and it should be held up as an example of what not to do in an anime production. Hearing their justifications for some of their baffling decisions on what to cut and what to keep, like why they thought omitting the Moonlight Boy of all things, would also be good for a laugh. Just don't try and make feel sorry for Itagaki or anyone else involved again.
Title: Re: 2017 Berserk TV Series (Season 2)
Post by: Aazealh on July 08, 2017, 08:31:23 AM
So all the information is from an article in this January 2017 issue of CG World. If I understand correctly it was translated by Frog-kun (Kim Morissey), who passed the information on to Canipa (Collum May).

Thanks for finding this out, and thanks to Kim Morissey for the clarification. It's unfortunate Collum May did not make it clearer that his entire article was sourced from that CG World issue.

I agree with Johnny that the animation and rendering is only one part of the problem. All of the technical difficulties with the 3D could have been avoided if they had ponied up for a decent 2D production staff in the first place, and I reject the notion that it could have only been made in 3D. I think it could have been made decently in 3D if they'd given it to a more capable 3D studio such as Toei or Polygon, but given the state of the art right now it probably couldn't look as good as proper 2D.

Of course, these are just excuses conjured up by someone to try and shift the blame away from themselves. And the obsession with 3D is purely a budget matter.

Anyway, Itagaki's incompetent directing style and the series composition that left out so much material would have shot the show in the foot even if it had been gorgeously animated. I thought the movie trilogy was wonderfully animated whenever it stuck mostly with 2D, but the problems with the story and writing alone were enough to bring it down.

Exactly. As Walter has said in the past, the core problem with these productions is that the people working on them clearly don't understand what Berserk is about. That's why both the movies and the TV series are terrible. They systematically put emphasis on the wrong scenes, wrong lines, wrong moments. The timing is always off, the tone is always improper. It's actually quite stricking to me that supposed professionals could be so inept. In comparison, for all its numerous flaws, at least the '97 TV series understood the work it was adapting, and that's why it remains superior to this day.
Title: Re: 2017 Berserk TV Series (Season 2)
Post by: Gamehowitzer on July 08, 2017, 06:01:58 PM
While we're talking about why the recent adaptation was total ass, i came across a youtube video that makes some good points about why it didnt work, and what would have worked better: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v6CJaChQ7rQ He makes the argument that the manga is a picturesque work, and they tried to adapt it as a dynamic work. Picturesque meaning its about the visual detail and not the motion in it. He argues that the 1997 anime and its style, colors, etc. were much more fitting. He also argued that the world of berserk is very gritty, grimy, and dirty, and cgi and 3d computer models are always very glossy and cant portray that grit.
Title: Re: 2017 Berserk TV Series (Season 2)
Post by: Nothingwillbewong on July 08, 2017, 07:39:23 PM
While we're talking about why the recent adaptation was total ass, i came across a youtube video that makes some good points about why it didnt work, and what would have worked better: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v6CJaChQ7rQ He makes the argument that the manga is a picturesque work, and they tried to adapt it as a dynamic work. Picturesque meaning its about the visual detail and not the motion in it. He argues that the 1997 anime and its style, colors, etc. were much more fitting. He also argued that the world of berserk is very gritty, grimy, and dirty, and cgi and 3d computer models are always very glossy and cant portray that grit.
In my opinion most of these analysis videos on youtube are very pseudo-intellectual. And the guys whole point is based on terms to make people think his arguement is smart, but it limits the arguement. Title should've been ''Kinetic vs Picturesque in anime'' then I'd be completly fine
Title: Re: 2017 Berserk TV Series (Season 2)
Post by: Kaladin on July 08, 2017, 07:54:10 PM
In my opinion most of these analysis videos on youtube are very pseudo-intellectual. And the guys whole point is based on terms to make people think his arguement is smart, but it limits the arguement. Title should've been ''Kinetic vs Picturesque in anime'' then I'd be completly fine

The video is garbage, the only good thing about it is the video editing.
Title: Re: 2017 Berserk TV Series (Season 2)
Post by: Cyrus Jong on July 08, 2017, 08:44:57 PM
While we're talking about why the recent adaptation was total ass, i came across a youtube video that makes some good points about why it didnt work, and what would have worked better: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v6CJaChQ7rQ He makes the argument that the manga is a picturesque work, and they tried to adapt it as a dynamic work. Picturesque meaning its about the visual detail and not the motion in it. He argues that the 1997 anime and its style, colors, etc. were much more fitting. He also argued that the world of berserk is very gritty, grimy, and dirty, and cgi and 3d computer models are always very glossy and cant portray that grit.

The arguments are alright, but the guy seems to pussy out at the end, almost as though he's trying to seem objective in the eyes of the anime lovers. He spends the entire video criticizing the movies and 2016 series, only to turn around and start mocking people who dislike the animes for not doing the manga justice. Pot calling kettle black, dude. People have every reason to find all the series unsatisfactory, including the one from '97, and there is no reason to be thankful that Berserk has been animated so many times when nobody can get it right.
Title: Re: 2017 Berserk TV Series (Season 2)
Post by: Nothingwillbewong on July 08, 2017, 09:04:53 PM
The video is garbage, the only good thing about it is the video editing.
Editing is actually pretty meh, which goes with my feeling towards the whole things just looks like its copying effective uses of this type of video: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCuPgdqQKpq4T4zeqmTelnFg
Like this guy, kaptain kristian, knows effective editing in this way.
Title: Re: 2017 Berserk TV Series (Season 2)
Post by: Kaladin on July 08, 2017, 10:04:27 PM
Editing is actually pretty meh, which goes with my feeling towards the whole things just looks like its copying effective uses of this type of video: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCuPgdqQKpq4T4zeqmTelnFg
Like this guy, kaptain kristian, knows effective editing in this way.

I see,thanks for sharing, you seem to know a thing or two about this stuff so I'll take your word for it.
The way he put the panels together was pretty neat to me but I have zero knowledge in this field so I'm not hard to impress  :ganishka:
Title: Re: 2017 Berserk TV Series (Season 2)
Post by: Azure Park on July 08, 2017, 10:26:41 PM
I liked the video more than I thought I would, since it's one of those things where I find the observations about visual storytelling to be illuminating even if I disagree with the thesis or conclusion. Not bad if you get past the click-bait title. Manga is by definition picturesque. You can make either a picturesque or a kinetic anime, and in either case you can do it well or poorly. I disagree with the video about the movie's kinetic style necessarily being a bad thing. It's different from 1997 or the manga, but in the 2D parts it actually works pretty well. For example, I liked the way the assassination of Adonis was shot, and thought it was just as valid as the way that 1997 did it. The movies went too far with the kinetic stuff mainly in the 3D CG mass battle scenes, where they got carried away swooping around with the camera or depicting each individual duel between the extras rather than making everything more tight and focused. In fact I don't really mind the 3D fights themselves, as I can kind of ignore the character models and appreciate the choreography. Perhaps the problem is more that they dwelled too much on the nuts and bolts of combat, and not enough on the expressions and emotions?

2016 is basically the worst possible way to make a kinetic anime, and the bizarre thing is that, after initially making up its own bad storyboards, it continued to do so after it had started using the exact panel sequence of the manga as the basis for its storyboards. The PS2 game and Berserk Musou actually had some good kinetic filming in them too, and we could see how awful the new anime was just by comparing it with those same scenes from the videogames. The 1997 anime wasn't the only way to properly adapt *Berserk*; it just has the reputation of being the best adaptation so far because the quality was pretty solid all-around, and it remained faithful to the story except for leaving out Puck/Silat/Skull Knight and ending too abruptly. Of course that prevented it from being a perfect adaptation, but I don't hold it so much against it because the manga was still at a pretty early stage, and they probably just trying to promote the manga rather than pave the way for a long-form adaptation.
Title: Re: 2017 Berserk TV Series (Season 2)
Post by: Gamehowitzer on July 09, 2017, 01:13:32 AM
well like i said, i thought he had some good points. not that the video itself was particularly outstanding or anything. But i don't know anything about all that artistic stuff, and im not very sharp when it comes to making criticisms or arguments. so lets just say im stupid lol  :ganishka:
jokes or not jokes aside, thanks for your input. I like seeing your varying opinions and i think it helps me become a smarter fan. regardless of how i feel like  :???: sometimes. 
Title: Re: 2017 Berserk TV Series (Season 2)
Post by: Aazealh on July 09, 2017, 07:30:41 AM
The 1997 anime wasn't the only way to properly adapt *Berserk*; it just has the reputation of being the best adaptation so far because the quality was pretty solid all-around, and it remained faithful to the story except for leaving out Skull Knight and ending too abruptly.

Actually there's quite a bit more content the 1997 adaptation left out. And to be honest there's no lack of things to complain about, including its low budget (even for the time). The reason it's the best is because the others are absolutely terrible.
Title: Re: 2017 Berserk TV Series (Season 2)
Post by: Demon Knight on July 09, 2017, 01:55:44 PM
1997 was a good adoption but so far we havent got a "perferct" one

Wyald was removed from the 1997. Wyald only appeared in a the musou game lol
Title: Re: 2017 Berserk TV Series (Season 2)
Post by: YourFavoriteSpartan on July 09, 2017, 11:24:57 PM
1997 was a good adoption but so far we havent got a "perferct" one

Wyald was removed from the 1997. Wyald only appeared in a the musou game lol

I also missed Wyald, as the encounter with him and Zodd is WAAY to important to ignore! Same goes with the "rather" recent trilogy of movies. Why miss out on great story and context?
Title: Re: 2017 Berserk TV Series (Season 2)
Post by: Menosgade on July 10, 2017, 10:32:42 AM
I also missed Wyald, as the encounter with him and Zodd is WAAY to important to ignore! Same goes with the "rather" recent trilogy of movies. Why miss out on great story and context?

Because this way it wouldn't be limited within 24 (?) episodes, or they'd fit it in at the expense of being detrimental to other parts of the story. Showing the escape from kushan assassins and then the Wyald pursue and battle would take at least a whole episode.
Title: Re: 2017 Berserk TV Series (Season 2)
Post by: Walter on July 10, 2017, 11:12:35 AM
Because this way it wouldn't be limited within 24 (?) episodes, or they'd fit it in at the expense of being detrimental to other parts of the story. Showing the escape from kushan assassins and then the Wyald pursue and battle would take at least a whole episode.

That doesn't really hold up considering that team added about 20 minutes worth of Adon filler.
Title: Re: 2017 Berserk TV Series (Season 2)
Post by: Arc on July 10, 2017, 08:39:19 PM
I finally sat down and watched season 2. I'd been putting it off forever because i was so disappointed with season one. I'll be honest I went in with probably the lowest expectations I've ever had for anything berserk and.. I actually found myself enjoying it.

Objectively the series was still pretty bad, lots of story cut, sound effects, awkward 3d- but that's all already been covered here. On the other hand I was unreasonably excited to see more parts of the story adapted into a video format. It was like a guilty pleasure that I would never share with any of my friends. I just wish we could finally get an adaption of berserk that I could be proud of and actually be excited to show my non-berserk friends.

My first experience with Berserk was actually the first golden age movie, and at the time I thought it was just some B studio churning out whatever adaption was handed to them. Despite the quality of the movie some of the characters really hooked my interest and I decided to dig into the source material (which may have been the best decision I ever made). Maybe this means I have a soft spot for bad adaptions but without them I never would have started struggling down the path of Berserk.

tl;dr: wish we could finally get an adaption of berserk that I'd be excited to show my non-berserk friends
Title: Re: 2017 Berserk TV Series (Season 2)
Post by: Delta Phi on July 27, 2017, 09:03:35 PM
Quote from: ANA interview with Netflix Castlevania producer, Adi Shankar
I used the classic Berserk as an example of what to do and the CGI reboot as an example of what not to do.
http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/interview/2017-07-26/castlevania-producer-adi-shankar/.119340

:ganishka:

Informative interview about the Castlevania series on Netflix. Just goes to show what someone with good influences and a love for the series can do with an adaptation if given the chance.