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Title: Episode 347
Post by: RaffoBaffo on September 21, 2016, 01:47:08 AM
Spoiler out

Well, i think they already "entered" in the  Corridor of Dreams.
Title: Re: Episode 347
Post by: Walter on September 21, 2016, 01:56:59 AM
Yep, thanks!  Will definitely need to see more to confirm, but it appears she's gathered the girls for the "dream team."  :casca:

They're heading through some fungal region of the tree. Perhaps hallucinations play a role in the Corridor of Dreams.

That familiar stone face being gnawed on by the armor in Farnese's dream...  :mozgus:
Title: Re: Episode 347
Post by: jackson_hurley on September 21, 2016, 02:01:52 AM
Holy! That is gonna be an awesome episode! The complete design of the Sovereign is amazing.
Title: Re: Episode 347
Post by: Delta Phi on September 21, 2016, 02:29:18 AM
 :isidro: It's happening!! I cannot wait for this episode!
Title: Re: Episode 347
Post by: Kaladin on September 21, 2016, 02:29:24 AM
oh man oh man oh man, glad we're getting more of the this tree, miura is really showing the massive scale.

MOZGUSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS!!  :mozgus:


can't wait to see the rest
Title: Re: Episode 347
Post by: Squiddot on September 21, 2016, 02:58:26 AM
So Guts is handing over the dream job to Schierke and Farnese? Poor guy can't catch a break. But it looks like we'll be getting a glimpse into each of those character's minds which will be awesome!

Depending on how slow they take this, this would be a great time to show the events that led to Schierke being trained by Flora. In any case, There's potential for a lot of info to be shared around and after this the three girls are definitley going to be very close.
Title: Re: Episode 347
Post by: VladimirPutin on September 21, 2016, 02:59:04 AM
That was awesome, I love the art and conception of being stoned by mushrooms which are growing on that tree :D
Title: Re: Episode 347
Post by: Vixen Comics on September 21, 2016, 04:16:15 AM
wow, this is amazing! Miura is just hitting the ground running. i did not think that it would happen so fast. I'm a tad sad this won't be between Casca and Guts, at least from what is shown here. But it is interesting that the two people with feelings for guts is going to help Casca. I was not keen on this idea at first but maybe this could be a great way for all of them to become closer, like sisters. Casca has never had a female friend and I think she would adore Schierke and Farnese!  :casca:
Title: Re: Episode 347
Post by: Skeleton on September 21, 2016, 05:34:37 AM
I can't wait to see the full episode! I too wanted Guts to be the one to "save" Casca, but having it be Schierke and Farnese who do it makes more sense since, y'know, they're witches and all.
Title: Re: Episode 347
Post by: Aazealh on September 21, 2016, 07:58:18 AM
Puck and Magnifico get scolded, and Puck turns on Magnifico, telling him his evil plan is over.
The Sovereign of the Flower Storm tells the group that "It's possible, if I use the Corridor of Dreams."
Guts' reaction is as expected: "You really can!?"
We also see him saying "Ok, I'll leave it to you". Presumably agreeing to what Danan has laid out (and with the help of the people she chose).
She praises his(?) understanding, and says that "two of you can get into her dreams".
We then see their own dreams, and it is fitting that Schierke is being harassed by MonkiDro. Everything is going according to the plan (for their eventual love story). :idea:
Love that Farnese scrubs the armor while it's eating at a Mozgus rock too. Very fitting.
Title: Re: Episode 347
Post by: MrFlibble on September 21, 2016, 10:18:42 AM
Thanks for the translations Azealh, I didn't expect the corridor of dreams to be an actual place, instersting designs for those new rooms. I would have really liked to have seen Guts regain Cascas mind himself since they both have a shared trauma, but if Schierke and Farnese do enter Cascas nightmares, or her old memories, this may be a good way for them to learn who Casca is and what drove her mad, especially since this question came up before; And they both have the hots for Guts.
Title: Re: Episode 347
Post by: Aazealh on September 21, 2016, 10:46:12 AM
Thanks for the translations Azealh, I didn't expect the corridor of dreams to be an actual place, instersting designs for those new rooms.

I don't think these pictures show it to be an actual place. The girls are just laying down on some pads while the ritual takes place, but it's Danan who makes it all happen. Maybe that specific place in the tree is a key component to the ritual, but if so it hasn't been revealed yet.

I would have really liked to have seen Guts regain Cascas mind himself since they both have a shared trauma, but if Schierke and Farnese do enter Cascas nightmares, or her old memories, this may be a good way for them to learn who Casca is and what drove her mad

Guts felt like the natural choice given their history together, but in a way it's more interesting to have other people do it. They will be exposed to Casca's inner mind, see new things about her and Guts' past (which may eventually help Farnese to move on), and it could lay the foundation for them forging a stronger bond afterwards... The fact they're both familiar with out-of-body experiences is also likely to have been part of the choice. Also, we get to see their own dreams and it's already super interesting to me in and of itself. Not to mention that it shows once more why Guts needs companions, and how they are there when it really matters.

Another way to look at it is that Guts might be too close to Casca's trauma for him to be involved. He already has trouble with his own feelings. Having more neutral third parties take care of it could be for the best in that regard. Not to mention that given the nature of Casca's trauma (and her current adverse reaction to men in general), sending females inside her mind seems like the more sensitive approach. Lastly, from a storytelling perspective, Guts not getting to see Casca's inner mind first hand is probably more compelling for future developments.

What will they find there? How will they interpret it? How will they get her to "come back"? How will she feel towards Guts afterwards? It's all going to be huge.
Title: Re: Episode 347
Post by: asic on September 21, 2016, 10:47:08 AM
Wonder if Guts would even be able to keep his anger :beast: at bay if he was to enter the dreams as well. Considering he could likely  be taken back to the Eclipse. I guess it would be a bit predictable if it was Guts who would bring Casca back. As usual it's difficult predicting what Miura will do and it only makes me even more hyped for this. I'm waiting so long... :casca:

hehe that Mozgus rock is great!
Title: Re: Episode 347
Post by: Mangetsu on September 21, 2016, 11:34:21 AM
Guys the cover of the new upcoming Guidebook has been released  :ubik: I absolutely love it!

(https://i.redditmedia.com/8nmekFuJYg0wnI1ofj3377DU2dmSWeMmv8-R8eHsk3E.jpg?w=530&s=2496303aaeeb6d4c9ef0022c77a56693)
Title: Re: Episode 347
Post by: Androyd on September 21, 2016, 11:40:33 AM
That cover is pretty great. I hope it's volume 39's cover as well. The bright colors contrast well with how I think of Berserk, and really highlight how far Guts has come.
Title: Re: Episode 347
Post by: RaffoBaffo on September 21, 2016, 11:50:31 AM
Guys the cover of the new upcoming Guidebook has been released  :ubik: I absolutely love it!

-cut-
Wow, I really like it.
Title: Re: Episode 347
Post by: Aazealh on September 21, 2016, 11:57:13 AM
Guys the cover of the new upcoming Guidebook has been released  :ubik: I absolutely love it!

Very nice! That alone warrants a purchase! :ubik:
Title: Re: Episode 347
Post by: DarkAdin on September 21, 2016, 12:24:08 PM
So, so amazing... This is one episode I'll want to keep original. So, may I ask (out of the matter), is it too soon for me to purchase it, or is it already out? I'm not familiar with the releasing dates. :farnese:
Title: Re: Episode 347
Post by: Aazealh on September 21, 2016, 12:27:26 PM
So, so amazing... This is one episode I'll want to keep original. So, may I ask (out of the matter), is it too soon for me to purchase it, or is it already out? I'm not familiar with the releasing dates. :farnese:

Young Animal always comes out on Friday (specifically, the second and fourth Friday of the month). So no, it's not out yet, it will be on September 23.
Title: Re: Episode 347
Post by: Salem on September 21, 2016, 12:32:35 PM
Wow!  We are finally here!   :casca:  Can't wait to see what happens!!  2017 is going to be one hell of a year!!!
Title: Re: Episode 347
Post by: Patrick on September 21, 2016, 01:01:39 PM
This is all so exciting  :ubik:

I also can't wait to get that guidebook!
Title: Re: Episode 347
Post by: Tama on September 21, 2016, 01:31:28 PM
Great previews, I'm also intrigued by the idea that Farnese and Schierke will be going in instead of Guts, I didn't expect that. I like the full shot of Danan, it looks so detailed and the wings are great. Can't wait to see more! :)

(Also love the Mozgus rock face as well!) :mozgus:
Title: Re: Episode 347
Post by: jackson_hurley on September 21, 2016, 01:50:34 PM
I'm sad for Azan on that illustration, we barely see him. It's a really beautiful one though. I like the colors a lot.
Title: Re: Episode 347
Post by: Aazealh on September 21, 2016, 02:01:41 PM
I'm sad for Azan on that illustration, we barely see him.

You can thank that garish cover redesign for that. The illustration is no doubt slightly wider and thus the sides got cut off by the "pillars" on the cover. Another funny thing is that the Dragon Slayer disappears behind Guts' head... Nothing on the other side. I hope we can get the full illustration as well as this version.
Title: Re: Episode 347
Post by: jackson_hurley on September 21, 2016, 02:04:25 PM
You can thank that garish cover redesign for that. The illustration is no doubt slightly wider and thus the sides got cut off by the "pillars" on the cover. Another funny thing is that the Dragon Slayer disappears behind Guts' head... Nothing on the other side. I hope we can get the full illustration as well as this version.

Yeah that thought came to mind also. I figured for the Dragon Slayer that it was a style choice? I'd like to see the full illustration at some point. And I just noticed a tiny shot of Magnifico's face. Awesome.  :ganishka:
Title: Re: Episode 347
Post by: Androyd on September 21, 2016, 02:22:17 PM
I'm sad for Azan on that illustration, we barely see him. It's a really beautiful one though. I like the colors a lot.

On the other hand, Magnifico's face cracked me up.
Title: Re: Episode 347
Post by: The Beast of Darkness on September 21, 2016, 02:38:21 PM
Guys the cover of the new upcoming Guidebook has been released  :ubik: I absolutely love it!

That "old school" style artwork is magnificent ! Can't wait to receive mine.

The new episode panels looks promising...  :guts:
Title: Re: Episode 347
Post by: DarkAdin on September 21, 2016, 02:47:19 PM
Young Animal always comes out on Friday (specifically, the second and fourth Friday of the month). So no, it's not out yet, it will be on September 23.
Thank you very much, sir!
Title: Re: Episode 347
Post by: Kaladin on September 21, 2016, 04:42:18 PM
that Berserk Guide cover looks so damn good, i hope the volume 39 cover is as good if not better! this cover and the illustration he did for the blu-ray volume seem to be traditional aswell!
Title: Re: Episode 347
Post by: Walter on September 21, 2016, 04:55:27 PM
The Berserk Official Guidebook is not a Young Animal pack-in, which is what I assumed. It's a separate book, priced at 824 yen. It's available for pre order on CD Japan, available in limited quantities (24 at this time): http://www.cdjapan.co.jp/product/NEOBK-1985829
Title: Re: Episode 347
Post by: Aazealh on September 21, 2016, 04:59:33 PM
The Berserk Official Guidebook is not a Young Animal pack-in, which is what I assumed. It's a separate book, priced at 824 yen. It's available for pre order on CD Japan, available in limited quantities (24 at this time): http://www.cdjapan.co.jp/product/NEOBK-1985829

I've already ordered mine, as well as this issue of YA (click for link) (http://www.cdjapan.co.jp/product/NEOBK-1940200)!
Title: Re: Episode 347
Post by: Delta Phi on September 21, 2016, 05:00:28 PM
Thanks for the info, Walter. I had assumed the same. I'll definitely be picking this up for the cover alone! I'm excited about what is has inside.

Aaaand, done. Ordered both YA and the Guide Book.
Title: Re: Episode 347
Post by: Patrick on September 21, 2016, 05:15:27 PM
The Berserk Official Guidebook is not a Young Animal pack-in, which is what I assumed. It's a separate book, priced at 824 yen. It's available for pre order on CD Japan, available in limited quantities (24 at this time): http://www.cdjapan.co.jp/product/NEOBK-1985829

Thank you so much, Walter! I just pre ordered mine. :serpico:
Title: Re: Episode 347
Post by: RaffoBaffo on September 21, 2016, 05:15:40 PM
The Berserk Official Guidebook is not a Young Animal pack-in, which is what I assumed. It's a separate book, priced at 824 yen. It's available for pre order on CD Japan, available in limited quantities (24 at this time): http://www.cdjapan.co.jp/product/NEOBK-1985829
A shame there isn't a Digital Edition, since I can't buy the fisical one [the customs in Italy is Hell]  :sad:
Title: Re: Episode 347
Post by: Androyd on September 21, 2016, 05:53:54 PM
What exactly is a Guidebook? Like an encyclopedia?
Title: Re: Episode 347
Post by: Walter on September 21, 2016, 05:57:32 PM
What exactly is a Guidebook? Like an encyclopedia?

We don't know the contents of this guidebook yet. It may or may not be similar to the 2009 Berserk Character & World Guide, a small book with colored pages which had a character guide and a bit about previous events in the series. It was mostly intended for newer readers.

Personally, I'm hoping for something more. But we just don't know yet.
Title: Re: Episode 347
Post by: Aazealh on September 21, 2016, 06:28:11 PM
A shame there isn't a Digital Edition, since I can't buy the fisical one [the customs in Italy is Hell]  :sad:

There might be one, actually. They just don't list the digital editions until they're released.

Personally, I'm hoping for something more. But we just don't know yet.

It'll be more expansive than the 2009 booklet (which was bundled with YA for free), but what it will cover and how interesting that'll be for us remains unknown. Personally what I'm most hoping for is name spellings for all characters in the Latin alphabet. New illustrations would be cool as well, but I daren't hope too much in that regard. The cover was already a nice surprise. Lastly, there might be an interview with Miura... we'll see.
Title: Re: Episode 347
Post by: RaffoBaffo on September 21, 2016, 06:39:12 PM
There might be one, actually. They just don't list the digital editions until they're released.
Let's hope so  :guts:
Title: Re: Episode 347
Post by: Vixen Comics on September 21, 2016, 06:45:26 PM
I don't think these pictures show it to be an actual place. The girls are just laying down on some pads while the ritual takes place, but it's Danan who makes it all happen. Maybe that specific place in the tree is a key component to the ritual, but if so it hasn't been revealed yet.

I am curious to know why Farnese and Schierke are being involved, does this mean The Sovereign of the Flower Storm would not be able to do the corridor of dreams with out the help of a witch, or is their inclusion some how unique for Casca's special circumstances? I am super excited to find out the reasons behind this development.  :ubik:

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Guts felt like the natural choice given their history together, but in a way it's more interesting to have other people do it. They will be exposed to Casca's inner mind, see new things about her and Guts' past (which may eventually help Farnese to move on), and it could lay the foundation for them forging a stronger bond afterwards...

I wonder if while in Casca's mind they will bear witness to Casca's original devotion and feelings for Griffith and how they will react to this. Griffith used to be a big part of Casca's life and I'm sure that it will be touched on inside her head. Will this cause an averse reaction/tension or will it be the beginning of deeper understanding. Maybe Miura has a specific plot thread in mind for having Farnese and Schierke being the ones to go fetch Casca. Casca has never had close relationship with other females, I would love if Miura addressed this. I also wonder if they will witness her rape during the eclipse and come to an understanding of what drove Casca insane and what a terrible pain it was for her to be violated in front of the man she loved by a person she felt basically "made" her. Maybe that is why Farnese will be involved because she could show her that there is life after having what you believe in shattered. I also wonder if this will be where Farnese will get a intimate firsthand understanding of Casca's love for Guts, and that she does cherish him deeply. I strongly believe that if Farnese believes that Guts's devotion to Casca is returned that she will make peace with her own feelings on the matter, which I feel is partly due to Farnese believing that Casca is a lost cause and has no feelings toward Guts...in that vein, I wonder if Guts assaulting Casca will be shown so that Farnese will understand why Casca has been cold toward him.


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Another way to look at it is that Guts might be too close to Casca's trauma for him to be involved. He already has trouble with his own feelings. Having more neutral third parties take care of it could be for the best in that regard. Not to mention that given the nature of Casca's trauma (and her current adverse reaction to men in general), sending females inside her mind seems like the more sensitive approach. Lastly, from a storytelling perspective, Guts not getting to see Casca's inner mind first hand is probably more compelling for future developments.

What will they find there? How will they interpret it? How will they get her to "come back"? How will she feel towards Guts afterwards? It's all going to be huge.

The thing about this that I'm a little disappointed about Guts not being involved is that I envisioned Guts and Casca coming together in a beautiful celebration of their love and share the intimacy of her healing together...but who knows maybe her healing will be multi-stepped and Guts will play a different role in her restoration when she gains her faculties and she and him can actually talk to each other. Either way I am so excited that this is finally going down. And the group has been on the island for what, like a day so far?

Title: Re: Episode 347
Post by: DANGERDOOOOM on September 21, 2016, 08:12:22 PM
Beautiful artwork on that guidebook. Seeing everyone together in one colored photo is pure awesome :badbone:

327's spoilers are looking great. I cannot wait to see what's in store for :casca:
Title: Re: Episode 347
Post by: Dar Klink on September 22, 2016, 02:20:21 AM
So much to love and enjoy here! That guidebook cover is awesome and Farnese's dream is hilarious and very fitting.  :beast: :mozgus:

I've been letting things build up without fully diving into it in for the past few years and I'm so ready to catch up. We're at such a great time for Berserk.
Title: Re: Episode 347
Post by: Heiji on September 22, 2016, 03:48:18 AM
Here, some pages of guidebook : http://imgbox.com/g/wYc5ZAk2Il
Btw guidebook cover came from mangamagjapon twitter : https://twitter.com/MangaMagJapon/status/778566024094330881
Title: Re: Episode 347
Post by: Rupert Sinclair on September 22, 2016, 03:55:15 AM
Here, some pages of guidebook : http://imgbox.com/g/wYc5ZAk2Il

Is that last image a preview of something we are going to see in the Corridor of Dreams?!  Looks like it could be our first glimpse into Casca's mind.   :isidro:
Title: Re: Episode 347
Post by: Aazealh on September 22, 2016, 05:22:24 AM
Here, some pages of guidebook : http://imgbox.com/g/wYc5ZAk2Il

Thanks! Looks about what I expected. Neat stuff!

Is that last image a preview of something we are going to see in the Corridor of Dreams?!  Looks like it could be our first glimpse into Casca's mind.   :isidro:

Looks like a sketch from this episode, yes. What a tease!
Title: Re: Episode 347
Post by: Squiddot on September 22, 2016, 06:39:57 AM
Wow this guidebook is looking like the stuff of dreams! Such a deep look into Miura's process and ideation as well as an actual print compilation for all those miscellaneous paintings that have just been floating around the net until now. I wonder if we'll get an english release down the line, though i'm not sure i'll be able to hold off buying until then.

Looks like a sketch from this episode, yes. What a tease!

From what little we have, it's giving me vibes of an abandoned battlefield. Way eerier and quieter than what I was expecting. It's nothing like Guts' explosive eclipse flashbacks, but it captures another perspective of the eclipse that better suits Casca really well.
Title: Re: Episode 347
Post by: Aazealh on September 22, 2016, 07:16:05 AM
Wow this guidebook is looking like the stuff of dreams! Such a deep look into Miura's process and ideation as well as an actual print compilation for all those miscellaneous paintings that have just been floating around the net until now.

Those paintings have been printed before. They're only on the internet because they were scanned. And yeah, it's nice to get a more up to date look at how Miura works (last one, that people still quote, was 20 years ago).

I wonder if we'll get an english release down the line, though i'm not sure i'll be able to hold off buying until then.

I'm not very confident that there will be an English release (it'd be great if there was, though). I advise anyone interested in this guide to buy it while they can. We don't know yet whether it will be reprinted after the first run.

From what little we have, it's giving me vibes of an abandoned battlefield.

Well yeah, I think that's pretty clear.

Way eerier and quieter than what I was expecting. It's nothing like Guts' explosive eclipse flashbacks, but it captures another perspective of the eclipse that better suits Casca really well.

What makes you think this depicts the Eclipse itself? It's a "dream" Casca is having. It could be anything. The Eclipse will play a central role for sure, but this isn't a flashback. It's even possible it's a place she created to take refuge from what she endured during the Eclipse.
Title: Re: Episode 347
Post by: DraceYun on September 22, 2016, 08:54:42 AM
Gotta love the giant anatomy sculpture. Those things are pricey, but a must for any illustrator.

I really enjoy seeing parts of Miura's creation process. I really hope the guidebook has a decent sized section on it.
Title: Re: Episode 347
Post by: Walter on September 22, 2016, 01:55:44 PM
Here, some pages of guidebook : http://imgbox.com/g/wYc5ZAk2Il

VERY exciting!

The bulk of this is a character guide, grouped into four sections by character associations. Judging by Schierke's pages, each character entry will feature some similar elements, including height, weight, age (I think), and will also detail any major events about the character.  Of course, it's less specific when it comes to the members of the God Hand, and for characters featured in Vol 39, it's even more vague, just giving their katakana names.

One great thing about this section of the guide is that we'll get some specific Romanized names, which you can see in the background of each katakana spelling. That means we'll soon know official (hopefully!) spellings for some of the more strange names, including Locus, Grunbeld, Corcas, Judeau, etc.

There's also a new interview from Miura that's 14  pages (quite long), and of course, fresh pictures of his studio along with some glances of things to come in the form of sketches.
Title: Re: Episode 347
Post by: jackson_hurley on September 22, 2016, 01:57:21 PM
On page 9 of the preview for the guide book, ain't that a graphic tablet we see on the desk in front of the computer screen?

And at the bottom right there seems to be a monster we never saw. Can't say for sure because it's a bit blurry.

Really cool anyway. Too bad I'm too poor to buy it.  :farnese:
Title: Re: Episode 347
Post by: Walter on September 22, 2016, 01:59:14 PM
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On page 9 of the preview for the guide book, ain't that a graphic tablet we see on the desk in front of the computer screen?

That was my first thought too, but it's hard to tell.

And at the bottom right there seems to be a monster we never saw. Can't say for sure because it's a bit blurry.

Looks like a reference image, to me. Doesn't look like Miura's style.
Title: Re: Episode 347
Post by: jackson_hurley on September 22, 2016, 02:02:05 PM
That was my first thought too, but it's hard to tell.

Looks like a reference image, to me. Doesn't look like Miura's style.

Indeed I couldn't see that well the picture. Could be that for sure. Made me think of a dwarf mix with minotaur parts. Probably not a new thing..
Title: Re: Episode 347
Post by: Eluvei on September 22, 2016, 02:28:22 PM
Indeed I couldn't see that well the picture. Could be that for sure. Made me think of a dwarf mix with minotaur parts. Probably not a new thing..

I've brightened it up a bit, are you guys talking about the muscled guy with faun legs wearing a moose hat? http://i.imgur.com/caUrdOE.jpg

I'm not very confident that there will be an English release (it'd be great if there was, though). I advise anyone interested in this guide to buy it while they can. We don't know yet whether it will be reprinted after the first run.

I panicked after reading this and got mine, thanks!
Title: Re: Episode 347
Post by: jackson_hurley on September 22, 2016, 02:37:39 PM
I've brightened it up a bit, are you guys talking about the muscled guy with faun legs wearing a moose hat? http://i.imgur.com/caUrdOE.jpg


Yes I was talking about that guy. But got a bit enthusiastic. hehe
Title: Re: Episode 347
Post by: Sareth on September 22, 2016, 03:07:56 PM
I'm very happy that I ordered this. I LOVE seeing the concept art and rotation sheets, this will be a great piece for my collection. Can't wait for someone to translate everything.
Title: Re: Episode 347
Post by: volatilecurry on September 22, 2016, 04:56:24 PM
The Guidebook is looking great so far! I'm really glad I ordered one now. It'll be real nice when it gets translated too since it looks like there's a lot of info on the pages so far. I especially want to know what's written about Miura's workspace :guts:

It also looks like one of those pages shows a preview for ep 347 (or maybe 348 or something). Looks like Schierke and Farnese on some sort of battlefield with tattered flags everywhere. Flashbacks to Casca's days in the Falcons maybe? The anticipation is high right now.
Title: Re: Episode 347
Post by: Kaladin on September 22, 2016, 05:18:38 PM
On page 9 of the preview for the guide book, ain't that a graphic tablet we see on the desk in front of the computer screen?

it is, either a wacom cintiq 22hd or 21UX
Title: Re: Episode 347
Post by: Aazealh on September 22, 2016, 05:29:55 PM
It also looks like one of those pages shows a preview for ep 347 (or maybe 348 or something). Looks like Schierke and Farnese on some sort of battlefield with tattered flags everywhere. Flashbacks to Casca's days in the Falcons maybe? The anticipation is high right now.

Yes, this has already been mentioned on the previous page of this thread.
Title: Re: Episode 347
Post by: Walter on September 22, 2016, 06:10:20 PM
In the absence of the full episode to examine, I've been thinking about what little we've been shown. Initially I thought we were seeing 2 of 3 dreams: Schierke's and Farnese's, with Casca's still unseen, with the Sovereign holding them all together. But i think it's possible when we see Monkey Isidro, and the stone Mozgus, that it's Casca's perceptions of these things, with Schierke and Farnese able to explore her dreams thanks to the Sovereign. And we saw that it ends on a "dark" page (https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/205343130487226368/228206223357509632/f5142097.jpg), so they could be going deeper, beyond the "wacky" side of the Casca personality on the surface, to the true Casca that regressed.

Title: Re: Episode 347
Post by: jackson_hurley on September 22, 2016, 06:24:15 PM
In the absence of the full episode to examine, I've been thinking about what little we've been shown. Initially I thought we were seeing 2 of 3 dreams: Schierke's and Farnese's, with Casca's still unseen, with the Sovereign holding them all together. But i think it's possible when we see Monkey Isidro, and the stone Mozgus, that it's Casca's perceptions of these things. And we saw that it ends on a "dark" page (https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/205343130487226368/228206223357509632/f5142097.jpg), so they could be going deeper, beyond the "wacky" side of the Casca personality on the surface, to the true Casca that regressed.

Shit, I didn't think about that but I think you might be on to something here. After all they are going to try to heal Casca so it would make sense for them to be in her dream. Do you think that Schierke and Farnese will enter Casca's dream by means of the body of light? Or more likely that each of them falls asleep and somehow, with the intermediary of the Sovereign, are entering Casca's own dream state?
Title: Re: Episode 347
Post by: Aazealh on September 22, 2016, 06:27:56 PM
Or more likely that each of them falls asleep and somehow, with the intermediary of the Sovereign, are entering Casca's own dream state?

We pretty much already know that this is what is happening. If it was just a matter of using a spiritual body to enter someone's mind, it would have been done ages ago. But it can't be done that way.
Title: Re: Episode 347
Post by: Femto96 on September 22, 2016, 10:13:47 PM
Full episode is out!!!

That ending page  :ubik:
Title: Re: Episode 347
Post by: Androyd on September 22, 2016, 10:24:56 PM
Wow, a lot to consider. The pacing felt strange to me. I guess I just didn't expect to begin the ceremony so soon.

If dreams exist on the astral plan, is there is a potential for harm to befall our witches? :/

The change of art to represent Casca's dreams, I found that effective.

The image from the guidebook must be from 348😂

Will reread after work!
Title: Re: Episode 347
Post by: Mammon on September 22, 2016, 10:32:09 PM
Full episode is out!!!

That ending page  :ubik:

Amazing episode, one of the funniest I recall (that whole Puck/Magnifico "arc" end had got me several times) and the art is amazing.
After more than a decade of Berserk, I can't believe it, it's happening...

Mozgus cameo was pretty neat, made me wonder if Miura tried to time this episode with the 2016 anime as a clin d’œil to manga fans; after all, we haven't seen or heard of Mozgus since he died, pretty random to find him right now. But it's Farnese dream, so why not?
Title: Re: Episode 347
Post by: Gobolatula on September 22, 2016, 10:34:58 PM
One of the best episodes of Berserk. Emotions are so high right now. Casca's dream is such a perfect blend of scribbly cuteness and pure terror. The ending terrified me. I am scared of what's to come in Casca's dream.

This is it! Guts is about to achieve his goal.

And Casca! I have been waiting so long to see her speak again.
Title: Re: Episode 347
Post by: Earthlingzing on September 22, 2016, 10:41:57 PM
Great episode, but its too bad the spread with all the flags didn't show up. Danann's expressions are really well drawn considering how non-human she looks.
Title: Re: Episode 347
Post by: MrFlibble on September 22, 2016, 11:05:05 PM
This in my opinion  is one of the funniest episodes in a while, lots of hilarious moments like the meta stuff like Guts' memorable speech from conviction being used in Farneses dream; Danan evicerating Magnifico's nonsensical plans and scaring off Puck with the responsibility of ruling a kingdom, and revealing the worst punishment in Elfhelm to be community service.

Also  Casca's dreamscape taking the form of kids drawings made one of the strangest pages in Berserk, I don't think Miura has ever messed with the art like that before, I'd like it if he went down this route of messing around with his established art style again though.

Regarding the ominous last page, it's obvious what it represents, but I wonder if the rift in the clouds is meant to convey the Beast of Darkness?
Title: Re: Episode 347
Post by: VladimirPutin on September 22, 2016, 11:16:04 PM
Wow, such emotions on the last pages. Art was beautiful, it seems they were hallucinated by spores. I can't wait for 2017. New drawing style for Casca dream is good, I think she see the world in dreams relativly more simple, because of lacks of sanity in her mind, probably something like children dreams.
Title: Re: Episode 347
Post by: Androyd on September 22, 2016, 11:18:32 PM


Regarding the ominous last page, it's obvious what it represents, but I wonder if the rift in the clouds is meant to convey the Beast of Darkness?

Yes, most definitely a combo of the eclipse and BoD.
Title: Re: Episode 347
Post by: Femto96 on September 22, 2016, 11:32:16 PM

Regarding the ominous last page, it's obvious what it represents, but I wonder if the rift in the clouds is meant to convey the Beast of Darkness?

It kind of reminded me of that dream about the Falcon of Light.

Title: Re: Episode 347
Post by: -cause on September 22, 2016, 11:38:00 PM
Excellent episode, in many ways. Quite hilarious as well. I'll have to re-read it again later.
Title: Re: Episode 347
Post by: jackson_hurley on September 23, 2016, 12:07:06 AM
It was weird seeing the Dragon Slayer floping like a towel. I'm already hyped for the next episode! I can't wait to see the translation here since their better of course.
Title: Re: Episode 347
Post by: Squiddot on September 23, 2016, 12:28:27 AM
That was some impressive dream logic with Farnese, the way she was washing both the original group and the HICKs, that fact that the armour was Guts clothes and at the same time Guts himself  and of course the wobbly dragon slayer (2016 teaser confirned canon).

Mixing up the style went a long way in establishing the dreamscape. Casca's was excellent but i also like the bounciness of Schierke's too. We already know things a going to get darker the deeper they dive into Casca's dreamscape but I wonder just how bad its going to get. And whether any actual danger is going to befall the other characters. When Schierke experienced the Eclipse through Guts she almost lost herself and i'm sure there'll be a similiar threat here.

Super exciting stuff on the horizon!
Title: Re: Episode 347
Post by: Kaladin on September 23, 2016, 12:30:28 AM
WHAT AN EPISODE!
I did not expect the Puck/Magnifico plot to continue after last episode but this was some funny shit  :ganishka: Danan continues to be awesome!
The story is moving really fast, the corridor of dreams is in full swing, Farnese and Schierke's dream sequence was great and Casca's, on the surface level was perfect. that final page  :carcus:
Title: Re: Episode 347
Post by: DANGERDOOOOM on September 23, 2016, 12:31:32 AM
Regarding the ominous last page, it's obvious what it represents, but I wonder if the rift in the clouds is meant to convey the Beast of Darkness?

Yes, most definitely a combo of the eclipse and BoD.

You're looking into the last page too much. It's in no way the Beast of Darkness, since it only relates to Guts himself. The Beast of Darkness is used to symbolize Guts' revenge, deepest sorrows, and the immense hatred.

It has no purpose in Casca's dream whatsoever.
Title: Re: Episode 347
Post by: Sareth on September 23, 2016, 12:38:14 AM
Great episode. Farnese's dream was hilarious and sweet. Everyone telling her she did a good job was a nice contrast to her first witch burning. Loved the callback to her trying to do the laundry and the Berserker helmet telling Mozgus to stop praying.

After all of the goofiness of the last few episodes it looks like the next episode could be one of the saddest and darkest. The anticipation might drive me crazy.
Title: Re: Episode 347
Post by: Walter on September 23, 2016, 12:47:46 AM
I was cracking up at the DS on the laundry line.  :guts:

What a fantastic episode, wow! This is one of those few times where we weren't completely spoiled on what to expect, and gotta say, seeing it all at once was nice.

I do think the imagery on the final page is supposed to be representative of the Beast and the Eclipse. The shape of its design is very evocative of the Beast's eye. But it's not just that, of course. Casca knows about Guts' dark side, and coming to terms with her exposure to it AND the Eclipse are likely to be key in the coming episode(s).
Title: Re: Episode 347
Post by: Mammon on September 23, 2016, 12:59:18 AM
Time to re-re-read that episode, it gets funnier every time (notice new details, background stuff, etc).
What a time to be a Berserk enthusiast, a huge milestone in the story being so close...
Title: Re: Episode 347
Post by: Griffith on September 23, 2016, 01:50:14 AM
Well, holee sheet! I did not expect that to move forward so quickly, or surreally. I love the complete freedom Miura has given himself with his artwork and his storytelling technique overall. This is my favorite episode in a long time, and the previous few have been great as well (not to mention Rickert, Rakshas, THE SLAP, etc).

I'm a little worried where it's going though, this was so joyful, and we know it's not going to be that way next episode, and I also doubt this will all be so uncomplicated. As a matter of fact, the speed and ease, ok 25 volumes later, with which this is happening is giving me a bad feeling like something is going to go terribly wrong... but I hope that's all there is to it and Miura is just going to very pleasantly surprise us with a fully sane, mad as hell Casca. :casca:
Title: Re: Episode 347
Post by: Cyrus Jong on September 23, 2016, 02:46:46 AM
Oh, Miura, you are truly the face of evil. Throwing that ominous page at us after spending four episodes straight lulling us into a false sense of security with your goofiness and your whimsy and your sense of wonder...

Definitely never expected to see anything like the childish scribbles in Casca's dreamscape though. Hell, I never expected to use the term "childish scribbles" to describe anything in Berserk before. But it works! It's funny, probably the singlemost hilarious thing in these past few episodes yet, and it perfectly encapsulate Casca's state of mind like nothing else. Which also makes it depressing as hell.

You're looking into the last page too much. It's in no way the Beast of Darkness, since it only relates to Guts himself. The Beast of Darkness is used to symbolize Guts' revenge, deepest sorrows, and the immense hatred.

It has no purpose in Casca's dream whatsoever.
I'm going to echo Walter's sentiments here. The last page evokes some very recurring imagery.

Example 1 (http://i.imgur.com/k2rnJfr.jpg)
Example 2 (http://i.imgur.com/6kpN8Zt.jpg)
Example 3 (http://i.imgur.com/aoQ8dIX.png)

Images of Guts and his assault on her are likely going to be present in Casca's dreams, as are the Eclipse and her rape at Femto's hands. In her current state, she probably can't even differentiate between the two. And if that's the case, then Schierke and Farnese, the two people who arguably have the most respect and admiration for Guts, may see him perform his most depraved act yet, which so far, only he and Casca know about. As if the process of curing Casca won't be painful enough. :judo:

Ohhhhh, these next few episodes are going to be intense. Intense...and soul-crushing.
Title: Re: Episode 347
Post by: DANGERDOOOOM on September 23, 2016, 03:25:25 AM
Images of Guts and his assault on her are likely going to be present in Casca's dreams, as are the Eclipse and her rape at Femto's hands. In her current state, she probably can't even differentiate between the two. And if that's the case, then Schierke and Farnese, the two people who arguably have the most respect and admiration for Guts, may see him perform his most depraved act yet, which so far, only he and Casca know about. As if the process of curing Casca won't be painful enough. :judo:

Great examples, and I do see what's being said here. But I don't think the Beast will actually be revealed at all in Casca's dreams, unless it somehow manifests because of Schierke's previous dealings with :beast:. Since this will be in Casca's deep suppressed thoughts and memories, I feel the main focal point of her thoughts will be of the Eclipse, since this event was the direct cause of her mental condition now.

Casca has always shown to be afraid of Guts immediately after he wakes up from the Eclipse. I don't know if it's been fully explained as to why she showed this much animosity towards him from the start, even before his consumed hatred took control of him to take aggression/frustration out on her.

It might show Guts as an evil dark shadow (maybe beast-like creature) attacking her, but I believe with Schierke's previous experience with Guts' uncontrollable frenzies, and her knowledge of who Guts actually is, she should be able to comprehend and understand how the Eclipse permanently ended up scarring both Casca and Guts' psychological state of mind. As for Farnese, I don't know how well she will handle what she sees.

It will be a traumatic experience for both Schierke and Farnese, but not enough I think to lose any respect for Guts. They might just end up despising Griffith as much as Guts. They will understand why Guts has been so inclusive towards his past.
Title: Re: Episode 347
Post by: Jaze1618 on September 23, 2016, 03:41:34 AM
The images of them descending into the tree along the lily pads REALLY reminds me of The Great Hollow in Dark Souls.
Title: Re: Episode 347
Post by: Aazealh on September 23, 2016, 04:45:29 AM
I do think the imagery on the final page is supposed to be representative of the Beast and the Eclipse.

I don't see it. The Beast of Darkness' eye has a characteristic shape, and it's not there. Could it morph into it later? Maybe. But as it currently is, I think that's seriously reaching. Remember, this is Casca's dream. Not Guts'. It doesn't have to revolve around Guts' own trauma.

Furthermore, this is Casca's deep consciousness. The part of her that's absent from her day-to-day self right now. Her "dream" is more likely to revolve around what she endured during the Eclipse and around her previous life. The big question is whether she's trapped in a nightmarish scenario, or has fashioned an alternate reality where it didn't happen.

However, that panel could still symbolize Guts' eye. You know how? Because him looking at her, seeing her in that vilified state, being powerless and abused, is the last thing she experienced before her consciousness faded. Much like Guts' last sight, forever burned into his dead right eye, was of her being raped... Her last memory is of him watching her... of that shame and guilt? Remember her words: "don't look". Only six months and we'll know.
Title: Re: Episode 347
Post by: Cyrus Jong on September 23, 2016, 05:24:07 AM
Great examples, and I do see what's being said here. But I don't think the Beast will actually be revealed at all in Casca's dreams, unless it somehow manifests because of Schierke's previous dealings with :beast:. Since this will be in Casca's deep suppressed thoughts and memories, I feel the main focal point of her thoughts will be of the Eclipse, since this event was the direct cause of her mental condition now.

Casca has always shown to be afraid of Guts immediately after he wakes up from the Eclipse. I don't know if it's been fully explained as to why she showed this much animosity towards him from the start, even before his consumed hatred took control of him to take aggression/frustration out on her.

Casca's initial fear of Guts didn't necessarily seem to be of him personally. According to Rickert, the only person she felt comfortable around was Erika, so it's likely her fear at that point extended to all males, or at least of people above a certain age or size range. After some time, she appeared to get better, in that she could at least tolerate his presence, but was still anxious about being in close proximity, and physical contact was still a big no-no. By the time she reached Albion, she seemed to get over most of her anxiety and only really showed fear of people and things that were trying to harm her, and after the events, had no problems with Guts whatsoever. It wasn't until Guts attempted to throttle Casca while possessed by a specter that she began to fear him personally, his treating her like a prisoner afterward fueled her resentment of him, and his attempt to rape her permanently cemented him as a monster in her mind.

While I don't for a second think we'll see the Beast either, I do think it's possible that we (and by extension, Farnese and Schierke) may see images representing Guts' attempted rape on Casca alongside or even blended with her rape at Femto's hands. Now, if they do see anything like it, I don't think Schierke and Farnese will necessarily turn against Guts. But there will be some pointed questions later on, questions that I don't think he'll be able to answer.

But I'm getting ahead of myself. Still too many ifs and buts to make a call about what's going to happen in these dark depths.
Title: Re: Episode 347
Post by: Hanma_Baki on September 23, 2016, 06:23:44 AM
Usually I read through all the posts in the thread before posting myself but I just read this episode and OMG its so damn satisfying!!! I really REALLY love this episode! I cant emphasize it enough! I just adore how Miura can approach this in such a seemingly lighthearted fashion yet keeping the sentimentality and gravity of the moment. Even though we kinda had an idea of what was in store Im still baffled by how masterfully Miura is constructing this.

Im sorry it might sound generic and even cheesy at this point but he literally NEVER seizes to amaze me.

Now, Im pretty sure there should be a skullkast about it so Im looking forward to that AND reading all you guys' thoughts!
Title: Re: Episode 347
Post by: Sancho on September 23, 2016, 07:25:16 AM
Well, what to say? Miura is a goddamn genius. Danann design, the capital sentence on Magnifico :ganishka:, the bizarre surreality of the dreams which reflected the experience and personality of the dreamers, and that last panel my god  :magni:.

Even though i'm dying to know more after an episode like this it's just impossible to complain for the hiatus.
Title: Re: Episode 347
Post by: Aazealh on September 23, 2016, 07:33:25 AM
The big question is whether she's trapped in a nightmarish scenario, or has fashioned an alternate reality where it didn't happen.

I'm replying to my own post to say that her "dream" could be both. Thinking of scenarios off the top of my head, she could be endlessly caring for her troops in there. She was still their commander, and I would expect that she feels responsible for their fate. Much more so than Guts. "I was a failure. I didn't protect them." She could even be trying to nurse then back to life, piecing them back together as they perpetually fall apart. Even Guts would be in there in his wounded state. Going further still, she might even try to get them to march or fight, to remain an army. Forever losing a fight against an invincible enemy.

Going in another direction, she could be trying to hide from the accusing glares they would all cast at her. "Your fault! Your fault!" Would we hear Corcus tell her she wasn't fit to be a leader? Or even Guts? Like I referenced previously, Guts' stare would be the worst by far. Maybe up in the sky, all-seeing. Or would that be Femto's own unwavering eye?

Going off the deep end, what if in her dreams, she was even... A man? A denial of her feminity as the result of her life of hardships. "Women are weak. I'm a warrior." In her confused mind, maybe that would fix it all. I'm expecting that a central theme will be feelings of guilt (something we also saw with Guts, to a smaller extent).

Now, the big unknown is whether events from after the Eclipse will be incorporated in the dream. I could see it go either way. Maybe it'll be the big moments, or maybe only the traumatic ones, when she was assaulted (including by Guts). That opens the question of the happier moments though, and much more importantly, of her son. Will he be there at all? If this includes post-Eclipse events, then I can't imagine that he won't be. He's too important to her. But those inclusions aren't guaranteed.

By the way, the fact the first thing some people thought when they saw the black sun in Casca's dream was "it's about Guts" cements the fact it's better he's not involved in her rescue. Guts will most certainly be present in a way or another, but this isn't his mind, and this isn't his time to shine. On that tangent, while it's maybe too early to say, I wonder if we'll see Casca's own version of a personified inner demon? It might not be needed, given that she's literally surrounded herself with it in a way... But interesting to ponder.

On another note, it'll be interesting to see whether the "Griffithian" conception of a dream is referenced at all in there, even if just in passing.

Lastly, I'm surprised no one mentioned how we were indirectly teased the last page of this episode with that picture of Miura's office in the guidebook. It's shown prominently! I was traveling all day yesterday and had limited access to the Internet, so I didn't take the time to post about it or even think too much, but I'd assumed it was a peak at a future episode... Wrong! And there's a line in that panel, from Farnese and/or Schierke: "The Black Sun illuminates..."
Title: Re: Episode 347
Post by: m on September 23, 2016, 08:59:24 AM
Such a fantastic episode!

I wonder if Schierke's dream, in addition to everything else, is also a reminder to the reader that she's still very young, and whether that could play a part in what's to come. I guess it's safe to say that she's grown a lot since joining Guts, but I wonder if what she will experience while helping Casca will be beyond what she's experienced before.
 
That opens the question of the happier moments though, and much more importantly, of her son. Will he be there at all? If this includes post-Eclipse events, then I can't imagine that he won't be. He's too important to her. But those inclusions aren't guaranteed.

I think it would make sense for her son to play a role in all of this. If anything he might might be incentive enough for her to "come back" and move past what happened. I don't know if the translation I read is accurate enough to be referred to, but he might be a key to the resolution that was mentioned by Danan.
Title: Re: Episode 347
Post by: Aazealh on September 23, 2016, 09:10:31 AM
I wonder if Schierke's dream, in addition to everything else, is also a reminder to the reader that she's still very young, and whether that could play a part in what's to come.

I don't know if it's a reminder, but it certainly does reflect her age. I found both her and Farnese's dreams to be very enlightening. That said, Farnese's is the more interesting one to me. Her doing chores and being happy with that, being praised for her good work, having done a lot of them and mixing in the Holy Iron Chain Knights along with more recent things... The focus on cleaning things, washing them, and Mozgus' bizarro presence (so fitting for a dream) as a means of cleansing them are all very interesting. Plus the representation of Guts and the armor in there. It both shines a certain light on her deep personality, but also carries that nonsensical and irrelevant aspect that dreams have.

And yes, I expect their encounter with Casca's inner self, as well as the world she's built in there, to be a difficult time for both of them.
Title: Re: Episode 347
Post by: Earthlingzing on September 23, 2016, 10:10:44 AM
I wonder what Farnese thinks about Mozgus now, does she still respect him since she's using him as a scrubbing stone, or does the fact that he is a scrubbing stone mean that he's something mundane and meaningless? :mozgus:
Title: Re: Episode 347
Post by: Aazealh on September 23, 2016, 10:44:48 AM
I wonder what Farnese thinks about Mozgus now, does she still respect him since she's using him as a scrubbing stone, or does the fact that he is a scrubbing stone mean that he's something mundane and meaningless?

It's a dream. Dream stuff doesn't always have deep meaning. Maybe his peculiar facial features just reminded her of a stone.
Title: Re: Episode 347
Post by: volatilecurry on September 23, 2016, 12:38:14 PM
What an amazing episode! A few scattered thoughts.

The limp Dragonslayer hanging up to dry had me laughing. The Berserker armor speaking to Farnese was great too.

The fact that it said "Don't prey!" tells me that that line really effected Farnese. I mean we already knew this based on what happened at the time and immediately after, but its presence in her dream really shows that she still carries the weight of that event.

The Magnifico/Puck scene was great. Genuinely funny and after years of speculating what Magnifico would try to do after getting to the island, this was a great conclusion to that little plot thread.

Guts taking a deep breath and counting on Schierke and Farnese to handle Casca is yet another example of how far he's come since the Black Swordsman arc.

Serpico telling Guts to have faith was almost fourth wall breaking. I feel like he was half speaking to us.

That last page though. I noticed it in the leaked Guidebook images too but it still sent chills down my spine.

Really, one of the most impactful episodes of Berserk in recent memory. I can't wait for 348.
Title: Re: Episode 347
Post by: ApostleBob on September 23, 2016, 01:54:33 PM
Fantastic episode!

Wow did Miura move it forward quite naturally. We already had Guts recount his tale earlier offscreen to the Gurus, in which Danan was already there, so there was no need to repeat that. The tie up of Magnifico and Puck was pretty brilliant as well, with her putting their ridiculous plan in perspective. She really didn’t seem all that disturbed about someone planning the enslavement of a species though.

And l’m so glad we moved right into the corridor of dreams. I was fully expecting a quest that the party would have to go on to earn this from her, much like Flora asked the party to deal with the trolls before the talisman, but this feels much more natural. It’s very cool how the process is tied to the natural world with psychedelic magic mushrooms as opposed to some spell she casts. It makes it a little outside of Danan’s control. She’s guiding it, but not directing it, leaving plenty of room for potential danger.

Farnese’s dream has been covered pretty well to this point, but Schierke’s is pretty interesting to me. A lot of insecurity and secrets in here. I love the more childish art style for it as well.  And Casca’s art style is a genius way to show her state of mind.

An interesting thought on how dreams are actually a part of the astral world: If they visit the eclipse and the God Hand in Casca’s dreams, can the God Hand there sense them and interact since it’s more than just a memory? Perhaps a nightmarish gateway to Elfhelm. That could be terrifying.

Lastly, and I mean no disrespect here, does anyone think Miura’s art style has taken a pretty dramatic turn as far as character design? Especially with Guts. The backgrounds are just as detailed as ever, but I’m noticing extra big eyes and pupils on our party in almost an anime style, and with Guts I’ve notices a few panels where his face seems just a bit… off.  A bit smushed at times. It’s not affecting my overall enjoyment of the story, it’s just surprising how different Guts looks lately.   
Title: Re: Episode 347
Post by: Squiddot on September 23, 2016, 02:41:55 PM
It’s pretty interesting that Miura has chosen to link the Eclipse with an eye again, this time with a character with much less literary precedence to. Guts lost an eye. “The black sun” cruelly becomes his psychological replacement that only replays scenes of horror and loss. And it could be a way to represent the nature of apostles and the God Hand as “forbidden knowledge”, or a symbol of the new perspective of Griffith and the world that he was forced to witness.

When you apply the imagery to Casca you lose that literal connection that grounds the metaphor, and you can only connect it with the more abstract meaning, which doesn’t hold as much water.

Still, there was a reason Miura rendered out the sky in the shape of an eye again. And whatever reason that is will no doubt be explained (very satisfactorily if history repeats) during this adventure.

And while this eye is very different to the jagged lightning scar associated with Guts, that row of blowing flower petals is making it really hard not to see the beast grinning in there. Completely off the wall theory, but maybe the beast has grown into some sort of memetic creature that bleeds into other subconscious. It sort of works with Danan’s offhand comment about the connection between dreams and the spirit world. But personally I'm not feeling it. The Beast of Darkness doesn’t need this development to be any scarier and the purely psychological nature of it is a really great aspect. Thought it might be worth throwing out at least.

The sequence beginning the dream sequence is pretty confusing. One moment the characters appear regular sized and the next they’re smaller than Ivarella. Is it some sort of Alice in Wonderland style moment to indicate the dreaming has begun? Because there’s a much more fitting transition for that afterwards. So it’s actually happening?
Title: Re: Episode 347
Post by: DANGERDOOOOM on September 23, 2016, 04:13:23 PM
Completely off the wall theory, but maybe the beast has grown into some sort of memetic creature that bleeds into other subconscious. It sort of works with Danan’s offhand comment about the connection between dreams and the spirit world. But personally I'm not feeling it.

I doubt something like that could possibly be happening. If it were true, I'd feel Schierke would be the one most vulnerable to the Beast of Darkness since she's been the one restraining Guts' fierce and wild emotions using her astral body.
Title: Re: Episode 347
Post by: favole on September 23, 2016, 04:53:16 PM
However, that panel could still symbolize Guts' eye. You know how? Because him looking at her, seeing her in that vilified state, being powerless and abused, is the last thing she experienced before her consciousness faded. Much like Guts' last sight, forever burned into his dead right eye, was of her being raped... Her last memory is of him watching her... of that shame and guilt? Remember her words: "don't look". Only six months and we'll know.

Honestly, I don't know how likely it is, but I really like the sound of that. So many things transpired that day, she was bound to be overwhelmed on many sides and considering her love for Guts, being raped specifically in front of him definitely left a lot of scars as it did on Guts.

I hope we will get to see a whole deconstruction of all the parts that traumatized Casca, it's probably the only way to help her cope.
In another post you mentioned Casca probably also thinking she failed as a leader, I hope this in particular is something we will get to see, especially since Judeau emphasized before dying that she was their commander and Rickert denied the Falcon of Light as his commander in vol 38.

Casca is still alive so the original Band of Falcon isn't completely annihilated yet (if we go by Judeau's words), meaning I'd really love to see what she's thinking of herself as a commander with everything that happened during the eclipse.
Of course the next few episodes are bound to be extremely painful (I was already saddened by how the first layer of her consciousness appeared, poor girl), but I am happy we will get to see things from Casca's point of view for the first time in a long while.

An interesting thought on how dreams are actually a part of the astral world: If they visit the eclipse and the God Hand in Casca’s dreams, can the God Hand there sense them and interact since it’s more than just a memory? Perhaps a nightmarish gateway to Elfhelm. That could be terrifying.

Ah this is something I didn't catch on immediately so thanks for pointing that out, and interestingly maybe this is the trigger people who think Griffith and his apostles are going to attack Skellig Island are waiting for.

From what Danan said though, Farnese and Schierke entered Casca's dream and Casca is the one making the rules of her own dreams, so if her dreams are about everything she went through during the Eclipse, this sounds a bit too easy if the God Hand chooses this particular time to interact with the girls in my opinion.
Title: Re: Episode 347
Post by: Delta Phi on September 23, 2016, 05:15:27 PM
A lot of people have mentioned Casca's dream and the child-like drawing style. I found this particularly interesting. I know it's a stylistic choice to convey her simple state of mind, but I think another interesting take-away from this is the passive breaking of the fourth wall (NOTE: I'm not making any ridiculous claims here, I promise). Schierke seems to acknowledge that the scribbles are actually perceptible though she doesn't outright mention them, but clearly she can tell the land(dream)scape has shifted. So are they actually seeing a child's drawing in her dream? Or is that more for us readers? I think it should also be noted that the style in Schierke's own dream appears to be more childish, especially compared with Farnese's right after.

It reminds me of diegetic and non-diegetic music in films; how some music, like a score, is meant for the viewers and the characters are unaware, while some music, like something coming out of a car stereo, is meant primarily for and recognized by the characters in the story. Then you get into the weird world of things when diegetic music suddenly shifts to non-diegetic and vis versa (usually using, again, a radio as a conduit for that transition), or how music within a scene may be revealing some kind of irony unknown to the characters.

Just something to think about :slan:
Title: Re: Episode 347
Post by: volatilecurry on September 23, 2016, 05:54:51 PM
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So are they actually seeing a child's drawing in her dream? Or is that more for us readers?

It would be interesting if that were the case but that's not the impression I got from it. It looks more to me like what they're seeing is the way Casca generally perceives things -- in a warped and unclear way. Like instead of looking at a person and hearing all the words they say, she sees a twisted, shadowy version of them, and simply hears mumbling. As if she's so trapped inside her own mind that the outside world in which she interacts is barely paid attention to. It's like the part of her mind that thinks clearly is completely shut down and only her base instincts are in action here. I've heard similar descriptions for how some forms of autism effect people: They see, hear, smell, and feel everything around them, but their brain won't focus on any one thing long enough to form a detailed image of it, which leaves them with a distorted and unclear view of the world and the people around them.

At least, that's about what I got from it.
Title: Re: Episode 347
Post by: Aazealh on September 23, 2016, 05:56:57 PM
psychedelic magic mushrooms as opposed to some spell she casts

I also like how connected to nature and the tree the ritual is. However some people seem to think they're just hallucinating on shrooms or something, which isn't the case. This is still very much a magic ritual, they're not on drugs or anything.

An interesting thought on how dreams are actually a part of the astral world: If they visit the eclipse and the God Hand in Casca’s dreams, can the God Hand there sense them and interact since it’s more than just a memory? Perhaps a nightmarish gateway to Elfhelm. That could be terrifying.

I don't think it works like that. Ubik would be the likely candidate for invading someone's dreamscape, but he's not Freddy Krueger. I do think he could theoretically appear in someone's dreams though, but here in this specific case it would detract from what matters in my opinion.

Lastly, and I mean no disrespect here, does anyone think Miura’s art style has taken a pretty dramatic turn as far as character design? Especially with Guts.

I don't really think so. Style always evolves of course, but I think here what throws you off is that Guts is mostly in small panels, and a bunch of them were likely drawn by assistants. That's not usually the case. Plus there's the fact those images are heavily filtered. It doesn't look the same on paper.

It’s pretty interesting that Miura has chosen to link the Eclipse with an eye again

We don't know that. It's pure speculation for now. All we've seen so far is a sky covered in dark clouds, from which the only tight opening shows a black sun. Know what this is very reminiscent of? What the sky looked like during the Eclipse.

“The black sun” cruelly becomes his psychological replacement that only replays scenes of horror and loss. And it could be a way to represent the nature of apostles and the God Hand as “forbidden knowledge”, or a symbol of the new perspective of Griffith and the world that he was forced to witness. When you apply the imagery to Casca you lose that literal connection that grounds the metaphor, and you can only connect it with the more abstract meaning, which doesn’t hold as much water.

You're stretching this way too far. The Black Sun symbolizes the Eclipse first and foremost. It makes for great imagery when shown as an eye, sure, but it's not strictly limited to that. Besides, we've seen flashbacks of the Eclipse from Casca's perspective before, and the Black Sun was there as well. Some shots used her own eye as the catalyst, her pupil being the Black Sun.

And while this eye is very different to the jagged lightning scar associated with Guts, that row of blowing flower petals is making it really hard not to see the beast grinning in there. Completely off the wall theory, but maybe the beast has grown into some sort of memetic creature that bleeds into other subconscious.

I'm going to have to give you a (http://www.skullknight.net/forum/Themes/Recall_20/images/post/thumbdown.gif) on that one. This is ridiculous on many levels.

The sequence beginning the dream sequence is pretty confusing. One moment the characters appear regular sized and the next they’re smaller than Ivarella. Is it some sort of Alice in Wonderland style moment to indicate the dreaming has begun? Because there’s a much more fitting transition for that afterwards. So it’s actually happening?

The mushrooms are connected to the tree. It shows them being taken into the Corridor of Dreams through Danan's (and the tree's) magic.

So are they actually seeing a child's drawing in her dream? Or is that more for us readers? I think it should also be noted that the style in Schierke's own dream appears to be more childish, especially compared with Farnese's right after.

Yes, the styles of both Schierke and Casca's dreams deliberately represent their state of mind. And they are indeed perceiving Casca's dream like we do: as an altered, childlike version of reality. I don't think it's meant to break the fourth wall.
Title: Re: Episode 347
Post by: Kaladin on September 23, 2016, 06:12:26 PM
A better look at the Guidebook Illustration

(http://i.imgur.com/YiQbKBk.jpg)
Title: Re: Episode 347
Post by: Patrick on September 23, 2016, 06:37:09 PM
That cover looks so beautiful.

I can't wait to see it in my hands!
Title: Re: Episode 347
Post by: mocha on September 23, 2016, 06:43:47 PM
It's all pointing to the events of the Eclipse. I can't see the Beast having anything to do with it except that "Danan" said,"she has fear for you"(paraphrase). While 2017 comes around ima sit in a nice comfy tree on elfhelm. Reread Berserk from 1-347 so I can refresh my brain on what has come and hope to see what will come in 348.
Title: Re: Episode 347
Post by: N7Paladin on September 23, 2016, 07:18:10 PM
Fantastic episode! I can't wait to see how this continues.

And that illustration, beautiful. I'm going to purchase the guidebook as soon as I get my paycheck, I can't pass it up.
Title: Re: Episode 347
Post by: Mammon on September 23, 2016, 10:34:39 PM
Thank you Kaladin, this cover is simply amazing... can't wait for my own copy, I'm soon going to need a second shelf just dedicated to my Berserk-related stuff..  :ubik:

An interesting thought on how dreams are actually a part of the astral world: If they visit the eclipse and the God Hand in Casca’s dreams, can the God Hand there sense them and interact since it’s more than just a memory? Perhaps a nightmarish gateway to Elfhelm. That could be terrifying.

Game of Thrones season 6 spoilers:

By any chance, do you watch GoT?
Some friends and I were actually discussing that at work; "What if something similar to what the Night King did to Bran Stark happens?" (the "mark" on his forearm)
But Casca is already "marked" anyway, so...

(end of spoilers)

and I don't thing a serious God Hand menace is likely.
It already happened at Flora's house, and I think that Casca's restoration will already be a handful, no need for the " :void: Tokusentai" to show up.
But who knows...
Title: Re: Episode 347
Post by: Death May Die on September 24, 2016, 05:15:25 AM
Oh wow, so much going on right now my head is spinning.

It may be hard to transfer my thoughts to a post here, so bare with me please.

My heart rate was pounding by the last pages of the episode as we neared Casca's...source. I had to stop and ask myself "What the hell is happening to me?" So much anxiety. I mean maybe its a little bit of shock really, the realization that before long we could very well see where Casca's mind has resided but to potentially also finally cure her. Its kinda overwhelming to see it actually happening after all these long years. I'm kinda freaking out that I'm actually having a such physical reaction to it all, which I can't ever recall happening to me reading manga, let alone books. Curing Casca one of the element of the overall Berserk storyline that I've somewhat thrown into "obscurity" as a milestone of the series that would happen far into the story. I somewhat used it a comfort barrier to help me be patient with the series. Telling myself "Yeah, I'm sure Casca will get cured, but surely that's far into the story and we shouldn't expect that anytime soon. Besides, it just probably isn't as simple as 1,2,3." Really stepping back, it certainly hasn't been 1,2,3. The the sea voyage, and the "prep" work to make this happen, it's again just somewhat of shock to be potentially at the point where getting Casca back is possibly about to happen. I guess I never thought this point would come after pushing it away over and over while also burying my exceptions deep, yet maybe here we finally are. Mind blown.

For once, I don't think I can wait for the next episode, with the focus on literally getting her back, I'm finding it really hard already to wait. Just thinking about it all. God damn, not to mention what heart-felt entangled mess of a mind we have to unravel to make that happen. What will she be like if cured? Where do we go from there? Certainly so many questions. I finding a huge wake up call here tonight, just how much this series and Casca particularly means to me to cause such a swell of anxiety and reactions. Maybe it's the patient years of waiting episode to episode that I've accumulated a emotional scar associated with reaching a certain destination that has ALWAYS felt so far away. (Even Griffith got his kingdom before Casca was cured.) I'm accepting such truth of my emotional attachment as a pleasant comfort, that reflects a greater truth. That this is in fact the greatest story I've ever known and it has a certain great amount of power over me emotionally. Tonight proves that.

Just like that, overnight, after about 3 years of taking it easy on Berserk stuff. It once again becomes my religion.
Title: Re: Episode 347
Post by: Aazealh on September 24, 2016, 07:08:22 AM
For once, I don't think I can wait for the next episode, with the focus on literally getting her back, I'm finding it really hard already to wait. Just thinking about it all. God damn, not to mention what heart-felt entangled mess of a mind we have to unravel to make that happen. What will she be like if cured? Where do we go from there? Certainly so many questions. I finding a huge wake up call here tonight, just how much this series and Casca particularly means to me to cause such a swell of anxiety and reactions.

I sound like a broken record at this point, but we're currently witnessing the biggest even since Berserk began, bar none. Bigger than the Berserk's armor, bigger than Fantasia, and yes, bigger than the Eclipse. The only thing that could possibly surpass the next dozen episodes in terms of magnitude is the ending itself.
Title: Re: Episode 347
Post by: Calvinos on September 24, 2016, 07:23:11 AM
The inner depth of Casca... is like a black hole •
Title: Re: Episode 347
Post by: Death May Die on September 24, 2016, 08:22:44 AM
I sound like a broken record at this point, but we're currently witnessing the biggest even since Berserk began, bar none. Bigger than the Berserk's armor, bigger than Fantasia, and yes, bigger than the Eclipse. The only thing that could possibly surpass the next dozen episodes in terms of magnitude is the ending itself.

The things I'm wondering about the most:

If the setting is indeed the eclipse, would it before what Griffith did to her or after. Either or would determine if she's accepted it or not. Simply how she is choosing to perceive Guts and Griffith deep down, before the horror or after? Her insanity is a mechanism to bury it all and not accept it all. Deep down is what the truth lies, what she really feels and wants. That's my biggest speculation.

Does the bond with her child transcend to her coherent deep consciousness? As she never met him sane. I wonder if it'll be represented.

I should mention she once had a creature attached to her, and like Guts had a nightmare. But other than that does Casca regularly have nightmares in her sleep that we seen in the past? What I'm really asking is have we been led to believe that Casca relives the eclipse in her sleep often? Because I didn't have that impression personally, though I could see it being very possible of course.
Title: Re: Episode 347
Post by: Aazealh on September 24, 2016, 09:34:29 AM
If the setting is indeed the eclipse, would it before what Griffith did to her or after. Either or would determine if she's accepted it or not. Simply how she is choosing to perceive Guts and Griffith deep down, before the horror or after? Her insanity is a mechanism to bury it all and not accept it all. Deep down is what the truth lies, what she really feels and wants. That's my biggest speculation.

One thing everyone should keep in mind is that this isn't a flashback. It's a world Casca has constructed from/around her trauma. It is based on it, but might be represented very differently from what actually happened during the Eclipse. Like Danan warned, its rules may be peculiar, and they are unknown to us at the moment.

On a side note, I'm wondering if the red lake will show up in there. If so, Farnese might be able to recognize it (and Schierke would get the reference as well). Speaking of which, what a journey this has been for Farnese, from volume 14 to volume 39...

Does the bond with her child transcend to her coherent deep consciousness? As she never met him sane. I wonder if it'll be represented.

This ties back to the bigger question of whether that place will include memories from after the Eclipse or not. Right now I lean towards the latter case. What I think could happen is that Casca won't immediately recognize Farnese and Schierke when she encounters them in there. But maybe they will "unlock" some of those memories (with Danan's help) in the process of helping her deal with her trauma. That could include good memories (with her son, with Guts, with the group...) and bad ones (all of the traumatic things she endured, included Guts' violence towards her in volume 23).

By the way, just throwing it out here but I'm 100% sure Guts will cry when Casca returns.

What I'm really asking is have we been led to believe that Casca relives the eclipse in her sleep often?

No, we haven't. It doesn't really matter though. We know she's had flashes of it in a few occasions when she was being assaulted, and we know it's the root cause of her current condition.
Title: Re: Episode 347
Post by: jackson_hurley on September 24, 2016, 02:12:46 PM

By the way, just throwing it out here but I'm 100% sure Guts will cry when Casca returns.


If we see Guts cry when she returns, I'm sure to be crying too. I tend to get emotional on huge moments like that. And that will prove even more then now that this story is one of the best stories ever ever made.
Title: Re: Episode 347
Post by: RaffoBaffo on September 24, 2016, 02:15:08 PM
A shame there isn't a Digital Edition, since I can't buy the fisical one [the customs in Italy is Hell]  :sad:
Aaaaand I've bought it.

And now we pray...
Title: Re: Episode 347
Post by: Shouki Slann on September 24, 2016, 02:35:29 PM
Hmm. My hope like everyone's of course is that Casca does find sanity and return ... but didn't the skullknight once warn that what Guts desires may not be what Casca wants? Can't forget that foreshadow...

Anyway,  I really hope it's Casca who gets to visit Guts dreams . After all he also knows what it is to be raped, betrayed and cast aside at the hands of the person you admired most. :( I think he is the one who can sympathize, empathize and help her more than anyone :(.
Title: Re: Episode 347
Post by: jackson_hurley on September 24, 2016, 02:38:44 PM
Hmm. My hope like everyone's of course is that Casca does find sanity and return ... but didn't the skullknight once warn that what Guts desires may not be what Casca wants? Can't forget that foreshadow...


That could be interpreted in a lot of ways. Like she might not want to get revenge on Griffith or something like that. I don't think she'll stay insane forever.
Title: Re: Episode 347
Post by: Aazealh on September 24, 2016, 04:19:13 PM
Hmm. My hope like everyone's of course is that Casca does find sanity and return ... but didn't the skullknight once warn that what Guts desires may not be what Casca wants? Can't forget that foreshadow...

Like jackson_hurley said, the Skull Knight's words can be interpret in many ways. I don't believe the ritual will fail.

Anyway,  I really hope it's Casca who gets to visit Guts dreams . After all he also knows what it is to be raped, betrayed and cast aside at the hands of the person you admired most. :( I think he is the one who can sympathize, empathize and help her more than anyone :(.

You mean you wish it was Guts who had been sent inside her mind. But there is a reason it wasn't him. Just like there was a reason he let people join him on his journey. Have some faith in Miura. I don't think you or anyone else will be disappointed by what's to come. And besides, Guts and Casca will have plenty of time to talk about their respective traumas in the future.
Title: Re: Episode 347
Post by: Sancho on September 24, 2016, 05:23:35 PM
I think SK's line might be interpreted as Casca having as first priority the safety of her son, though of course she will still hate Griffith. Guts instead will still be determined to take his revenge. But since there is a still not clarified connection between the Moonlight boy and Griffith, their respective wishes might enter in conflict.

I can't wait to see Guts and Casca meeting each other again after the ritual, and i've no idea how they might react seeing each other in that exact moment, what they will say, maybe they'll both cry. This is going to be one of the most intense moment in Berserk probably.
Title: Re: Episode 347
Post by: Aazealh on September 24, 2016, 06:35:43 PM
I think SK's line might be interpreted as Casca having as first priority the safety of her son, though of course she will still hate Griffith. Guts instead will still be determined to take his revenge. But since there is a still not clarified connection between the Moonlight boy and Griffith, their respective wishes might enter in conflict.

Yes, this is one possibility we highlighted back when episode 238 came out. This doesn't make me feel any younger.
Title: Re: Episode 347
Post by: Shouki Slann on September 24, 2016, 07:14:03 PM
Like jackson_hurley said, the Skull Knight's words can be interpret in many ways. I don't believe the ritual will fail.

Hmm. I worded my thoughts not so well.  Let's try again. I do believe Casca will regain sanity too, and i agree with the notion that she may not be onboard with Guts plans.  In fact, i think she may feel quite frustrated that he can't understand or isn't on board with her thinking (As Sancho was saying - this moment will be intense... but i don't think it will be positive. I think she will feel very much like nobody can understand what she went through...).

You mean you wish it was Guts who had been sent inside her mind.

Nope. I want her to return and visit Guts psyche.
So when Casca returns- if she doubt or questions Guts choices or course of action(as foreshadowed). When/if that happens - understanding Guts mind and past might sway her.
Guts is the person who not only shared the trauma of the eclipse with her but now these two characters share a simialr past. 
Gambino saved guts, raised him, taught him to fight - then prostituted him and tried to kill him. 
Griffith saved Casca, they grew up together, he taught her to fight - then allowed her to suffer rape before raping her himself.

In the intimate moments shared by Casca and Guts... they both included some elements of guts dark past.
When she was first forced to sleep beside him by griffith's order and he kept murming about not wanting to be touched?
Or when they first had sex, and guts choked her -
I feel these moments are alluding to the notion that something about his past will be revealed to her and he moving forward will definitely be the person who can offer conceal to her?
Hope that makes more sense.

But there is a reason it wasn't him. Just like there was a reason he let people join him on his journey. Have some faith in Miura. I don't think you or anyone else will be disappointed by what's to come. And besides, Guts and Casca will have plenty of time to talk about their respective traumas in the future.

Yeah - I totes get it as it was explained. He's too close to the trauma and she fears him as is... And while i do have all the faith in Miura... I do think this is definitely a plot device to allow Farnese and Schierke to learn not just about Casca but to understand fully Guts past.

Title: Re: Episode 347
Post by: JMP on September 24, 2016, 10:49:47 PM
I'm loving Danan more and more. Her character design is great and I like her personality a lot. So I guess the housework helper thing wasn't just a ruse for her to observe Guts and co., which was what I thought at first. From what she tells Puck she regularly goes to the witch village and helps out with cooking and cleaning as well as cleaning up around her own palace. I don't think the witch outfit she was wearing was just a disguise she used for that particular occasion either. I think she probably wears that whenever she's in the witch village in order to blend in better and be more nondiscript. Kuka or the other kids didn't seem surprised to see her there like that.

I'm impressed with how Danan is being portrayed as a leader. She seems to be a caring steward of her own domain as well as working to foster good relations with the witches. She seems secure in her power, with no need to be pretentious. I like how she just wants them to call her Danan and not her formal title. I also like how she is considerate of Guts' anxiousness and doesn't make him wait to get the help he's been seeking for so long. I felt really bad for Guts when Danan said he couldn't go with them for the ritual, but I loved how Schierke stepped up and reassured him that it would be ok.

Another thing I liked about Danan was how she talks with Puck and Magnifico, pointing out the problems with their plans, which I thought was pretty funny. Instead of just punishing them she also reasons with them. It's like how a good leader should act. Even though Magnifico's intentions were evil they never posed a real threat to Danan or Elfhelm and he gets treated like a naughty kid right along with Puck. I think a little manual labor might be just the thing for him! :magni:

I like the little mushroom dudes and I thought it was funny when Casca picked one up and it seemed freaked out.

This episode was really great! :ubik: Quite a cliff-hanger with what is going to happen in Casca's mind. Pretty epic for sure! I'm very much looking forward to seeing what's to come.
Title: Re: Episode 347
Post by: Oburi on September 24, 2016, 11:01:00 PM
Just released after two weeks in rehab and it looks like I missed a shit ton of updates. Man do i have a lot to catch up on. This all looks awesome though! DOn't have a lot time to read now sadly so if any of my fellow Berserk brothers feel like giving a rundown of these latest events (missed the episode too :judo:) I'll pay you back (in favors(sexual))
Title: Re: Episode 347
Post by: Kaladin on September 25, 2016, 12:02:11 AM
Just released after two weeks in rehab and it looks like I missed a shit ton of updates. Man do i have a lot to catch up on. This all looks awesome though! DOn't have a lot time to read now sadly so if any of my fellow Berserk brothers feel like giving a rundown of these latest events (missed the episode too :judo:) I'll pay you back (in favors(sexual))
Last Episode

- The crew finally reached Elfhelm!! we get to see elfhelm in all its glory, we see many new types of elves and other creatures living in elfhelm.
- a new weight element is introduced to us (barytes)
- we meet puck's brothers (Pick, Peck, Pook, Pock)
- the evles get excited and start playing with the crew
- puck's brothers interact with guts
- puck and magnifico's plot to overthrow the state continues and gets concluded! very funny stuff
- we learn that Danan is the Sovereign of the Flower storm, she transforms into this beautiful form fitting for a Sovereign and welcomes the crew to Elfhelm

This Episode

- everyone is in awe when they see the Sovereign of the Flower storm, Schierke senses how strong she is
- the puck and magnifico plot continues!!! again really really funny
- the Sovereign tells guts that she has heard of his tale and why he is here, he asks her if she can heal casca and she says its possible
- She asks Schierke and Farnese to help her heal casca, guts wants to join but she tells him that she senses casca's fear of him, Schierke asks him to trust his companions and he agrees.
- Schierke and Farnese enter the Corridor of Dreams, being guided by the Sovereign. from there we see a dream sequence for Schierke and Farnese then they enter Casca's mind.
- We see Casca's mind on the suface level, we see guts and the crew drawn in a child like art, and then there is the last page  :carcus:

this is a basic run down, there is a good amount of dialog detailing the weight element and the corridor of dreams that you'll find very interesting
Title: Re: Episode 347
Post by: Aazealh on September 25, 2016, 08:39:05 AM
Hmm. I worded my thoughts not so well.

Indeed.

So I guess the housework helper thing wasn't just a ruse for her to observe Guts and co., which was what I thought at first.

Yes, and this makes more sense than the idea that she had been specifically hiding to learn about the humans. She likely just saw it as an opportunity to get to know them as they really are.

I don't think the witch outfit she was wearing was just a disguise she used for that particular occasion either.

I agree.

I'm impressed with how Danan is being portrayed as a leader.

She's the kind of leader a profoundly good-natured but mischievous people would need. Her role is basically to regularly clean up everyone's mess and try to keep things from exploding while everyone else just screws around. It fit perfectly with how I had envisioned things, and her speech to Puck was a great (and very ingenious) way to convey it to the reader. It also reminds me of my experience as a forum administrator. :iva:
Title: Re: Episode 347
Post by: Grifth on September 25, 2016, 09:56:44 AM
yep that's a cintiq in his office. best cliffanger ever omg after years finaly some hope for casca. :???:
Title: Re: Episode 347
Post by: JMP on September 25, 2016, 02:20:27 PM
It also reminds me of my experience as a forum administrator. :iva:
Well, you certainly have my respect for that! :puck: Can't be an easy job.
Title: Re: Episode 347
Post by: Theozilla on September 25, 2016, 11:55:55 PM
Episode 347 was fantastic, the first parts did a great job further establishing Danann's characterization and duties. While the latter dream parts were both very entertaining while also being very revealing in terms of character. Miura also definitely got down conveying the surreal feeling of dreams with Schierke and Farnese's dreams.
Title: Re: Episode 347
Post by: Walter on September 26, 2016, 02:12:45 AM
(http://skullknight.net/podcast/podcast80a.jpg) (http://skullknight.net/podcast/Podcast80.mp3)
Episode 80: Sovereign of the Flower Storm (Episode 347) (http://skullknight.net/podcast/Podcast80.mp3) (1h 33min)

We can't wait to talk all about the latest episode of Berserk, bringing us on the doorstep of a long awaited moment in the series, one that could transform it forever.
Title: Re: Episode 347
Post by: Kaladin on September 26, 2016, 02:17:01 AM
IT IS FINALLY UPON US!!!  :ubik:
Title: Re: Episode 347
Post by: MrFlibble on September 26, 2016, 10:17:18 AM
Is that last image a preview of something we are going to see in the Corridor of Dreams?!  Looks like it could be our first glimpse into Casca's mind.   :isidro:

There are some other pages too I'd like to describe for anyone interested. I don't know if anyone has posted these yet.

There are some other panels, two depict a gaunt and exhausted dog dragging by a chain around its neck a coffin encrusted with the Falcon symbol, another panel depicts the dog being attacked by four cloaked beings with what looks like spears. Another panel of the inside of the coffin shows what I assume is Casca with pieces of her missing, kind of like Griffiths appearance in the IOE chapter, with the brand in the middle of her chest, with cracks seeping out of it, the texture kind of implies it's meant to be a doll, I'm not too sure. Two other panels show what could either be Casca in her current form or the moonlight boy. And there is a full page of Guts' crew at the banquet messing around, with a downtrodden Magnicio cleaning up. The last panel shows Guts watching in the distance with a stern look on his face. 
Title: Re: Episode 347
Post by: Aazealh on September 26, 2016, 10:23:44 AM
There are some other pages too I'd like to describe for anyone interested. I don't know if anyone has posted these yet.

There are some other panels, two depict a gaunt and exhausted dog dragging by a chain around its neck a coffin encrusted with the Falcon symbol, another panel depicts the dog being attacked by four cloaked beings with what looks like spears. Another panel of the inside of the coffin shows what I assume is Casca with pieces of her missing, kind of like Griffiths appearance in the IOE chapter, with the brand in the middle of her chest, with cracks seeping out of it, the texture kind of implies it's meant to be a doll, I'm not too sure. Two other panels show what could either be Casca in her current form or the moonlight boy.And there is a full page of Guts crew at the banquet messing around, with a downtrodden Magnicio cleaning up. The last panel shows Guts watching in the distance with a stern look on his face. 

Well, now my package really can't come soon enough! If I'd known I would have had it shipped by EMS!
Title: Re: Episode 347
Post by: Mangetsu on September 26, 2016, 10:35:29 AM
There are some other pages too I'd like to describe for anyone interested. I don't know if anyone has posted these yet.

There are some other panels, two depict a gaunt and exhausted dog dragging by a chain around its neck a coffin encrusted with the Falcon symbol, another panel depicts the dog being attacked by four cloaked beings with what looks like spears. Another panel of the inside of the coffin shows what I assume is Casca with pieces of her missing, kind of like Griffiths appearance in the IOE chapter, with the brand in the middle of her chest, with cracks seeping out of it, the texture kind of implies it's meant to be a doll, I'm not too sure. Two other panels show what could either be Casca in her current form or the moonlight boy.And there is a full page of Guts crew at the banquet messing around, with a downtrodden Magnicio cleaning up. The last panel shows Guts watching in the distance with a stern look on his face. 

Dude... this is fucking insane, much better thab what i imagined
Title: Re: Episode 347
Post by: Walter on September 26, 2016, 11:04:58 AM
There are some other pages too I'd like to describe for anyone interested. I don't know if anyone has posted these yet.

Wow, thanks for sharing! My zen-like patience for ep 348 just got a little less easy to bear. Miura is going to be presenting abstract imagery to represent Casca's trauma, some of which may be difficult to interpret. Personally, I read the portion about the dog and immediately thought of Casca's year as the Falcon's leader -- how exhausted she was by the end of it, keeping them alive despite the overwhelming odds.

At any rate, the ep 348 thread is going to be very active.  :guts:
Title: Re: Episode 347
Post by: Kaladin on September 26, 2016, 07:41:13 PM
Credit to reddit user Bludfyr (https://www.reddit.com/user/Bludfyr)
(http://i.imgur.com/wdQoAv1.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/dt7gh9u.jpg)
Title: Re: Episode 347
Post by: Aazealh on September 26, 2016, 08:01:43 PM
Thank you Kaladin as well as Bludfyr.

Very interesting as previously said, yet also still very mysterious. It's pretty obviously a horse dragging the coffin around, and the imagery makes it clear the coffin bearing the Band of the Falcon's crest contains Casca's broken ego, or at least a portion of it. Very curious what the ghostly robed figures are/represent as well. Is it the rags on poles that morph into these? Man, that suspense... Also very intrigued by that child-like figure. It's not the boy, it's yet another representation of Casca, and I think it's one that's hiding itself. It's "the thing in the Abyss of Casca", as the text says.
Title: Re: Episode 347
Post by: N7Paladin on September 26, 2016, 09:37:06 PM
I was finally able to purchase the guidebook! Now I just have to wait ~2 weeks to look at it, very excited  :ubik:

To anyone who hasn't purchased it yet but wants to; the site says there are only 20 copies left in stock, so get it now while you can!
Title: Re: Episode 347
Post by: DANGERDOOOOM on September 27, 2016, 12:27:07 AM
I was finally able to purchase the guidebook! Now I just have to wait ~2 weeks to look at it, very excited  :ubik:

To anyone who hasn't purchased it yet but wants to; the site says there are only 20 copies left in stock, so get it now while you can!

Thanks for the update N7! I'll have to do that right now
Title: Re: Episode 347
Post by: Skeleton on September 27, 2016, 12:29:54 AM
I was finally able to purchase the guidebook! Now I just have to wait ~2 weeks to look at it, very excited  :ubik:

To anyone who hasn't purchased it yet but wants to; the site says there are only 20 copies left in stock, so get it now while you can!

Ordered mine. Only 15 left.  :badbone:
Title: Re: Episode 347
Post by: DANGERDOOOOM on September 27, 2016, 12:35:52 AM
Ordered mine. Only 15 left.  :badbone:

I just did too :guts:

So that means only 14 left as of now
Title: Re: Episode 347
Post by: Earthlingzing on September 27, 2016, 08:13:09 AM
The horse is a very nice analogy for Casca's state right before the eclipse, being as worn out as she was. Some really interesting imagery there, the coming episode seems like its shaping up to be one of the best episodes yet.
Title: Re: Episode 347
Post by: Cyrus Jong on September 27, 2016, 09:46:41 AM
Only Miura could make his rough storyboard sketches look creepy in their own right. That shattered doll that's supposed to be Casca and the withered horse dragging her are going to be haunting my dreams tonight.
Title: Re: Episode 347
Post by: MrFlibble on September 27, 2016, 12:12:20 PM
Thank you Kaladin as well as Bludfyr.

Very interesting as previously said, yet also still very mysterious. It's pretty obviously a horse dragging the coffin around, and the imagery makes it clear the coffin bearing the Band of the Falcon's crest contains Casca's broken ego, or at least a portion of it. Very curious what the ghostly robed figures are/represent as well. Is it the rags on poles that morph into these? Man, that suspense... Also very intrigued by that child-like figure. It's not the boy, it's yet another representation of Casca, and I think it's one that's hiding itself. It's "the thing in the Abyss of Casca", as the text says.

Interesting, I wondered too wether it was a dog or a horse, the way the animals legs are spread out in the left hand image with its mouth open, and its long chest made me lean towards dog. The inner Casca, makes me wonder about what Danan said about the rules of Cascas dream realm, and what method will be used to put Casca together again so to speak.
Title: Re: Episode 347
Post by: Mangetsu on September 27, 2016, 12:33:31 PM
One thing i find really interesting about that broken Casca figure in the coffin are the places that are cracked. The most obvious one is the genital area. Additionally her right arm and left eye seems to be cracked too which is the complete opposite of what Guts has lost during the eclipse.

Im also really happy that we got to see these scripts. Can't wait to see the outcome of the Art.

Interesting, I wondered too wether it was a dog or a horse, the way the animals legs are spread out in the left hand image with its mouth open, and its long chest made me lean towards dog. The inner Casca, makes me wonder about what Danan said about the rules of Cascas dream realm, and what method will be used to put Casca together again so to speak.

Im pretty sure that this is a horse.

Title: Re: Episode 347
Post by: Lithrael on September 27, 2016, 02:31:01 PM
Finally got to read this one.  Wow.

The preview sketches:  I'm pretty sure what's on those poles are skins.  The more ghostly images of them are them partly filling with wind or animation so that they're more recognisable.

And it's interesting to see that her psyche has decided that she's symbolically dead.  It looks like the lil tiny her is hiding inside that.  I can't really tell of course but I think you guys are right that the shattered ego is a stylised puppet/doll rather than a sketch that will be finished as a more literal corpse.  If that's the case it could be a layer of her feeling like/deciding (for the protection of her psyche) she was inhabiting her own character, 'faking it' and really being something smaller inside.  So that she could go on, albeit as this only partly 'there' being, because what was broken and is now symbolically dead could be 'fake' and not 'really her'.
Title: Re: Episode 347
Post by: JMP on September 27, 2016, 04:45:04 PM
I think the emaciated creature might be a dog also. In the first pics of it chained to the coffin it looks horse-like, but in the pic on the bottom left when the flying figures are attacking and it shows the creature from behind it looks like a dog to me. It looks like it has a dog's tail and it's stance is more dog-like, like it's protecting the coffin. I wonder if the animal is supposed to represent Guts. It looks like it might either have a lame left front leg or be missing part of it. Anyway, VERY interesting stuff! :ubik:
Title: Re: Episode 347
Post by: -cause on September 27, 2016, 04:53:29 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/iagsTtd.jpg)

(http://i.imgur.com/VwYr4E6.jpg)

(http://i.imgur.com/MFcG6bV.jpg)

(http://i.imgur.com/35khluB.jpg)

(http://i.imgur.com/CP0WGOm.jpg)

(http://i.imgur.com/5xmj0lY.jpg)

Just arrived in the mail! Haven't even had a chance to go through all of it yet.

199 pages. Looks like there's not really anything new in here as most of us expected (besides the last four pages which we've already seen) but then again, I haven't gone through it thoroughly. I will say though, having only owned the Dark Horse volumes, the print quality of this is much much better in comparison.
Title: Re: Episode 347
Post by: DragoonBG on September 27, 2016, 05:07:17 PM
I think the emaciated creature might be a dog also. In the first pics of it chained to the coffin it looks horse-like, but in the pic on the bottom left when the flying figures are attacking and it shows the creature from behind it looks like a dog to me. It looks like it has a dog's tail and it's stance is more dog-like, like it's protecting the coffin. I wonder if the animal is supposed to represent Guts. It looks like it might either have a lame left front leg or be missing part of it. Anyway, VERY interesting stuff! :ubik:
Maybe it changes forms according the circumstances (her perspective of things). I believe it represents Guts (I mean it is kinda obvious I guess), dragging/protecting her around, we've seen it. I actually didn't notice the leg :), very good observation.
Title: Re: Episode 347
Post by: IcePuck on September 27, 2016, 08:00:05 PM
Agreed, that's Guts. :guts: It's a very haunting metaphor of the current journey.

We also get to see Puck and Magnifico doing their community service, so the next episode won't be all gloomy. I want to say, I've been really impressed by how naturally Miura's managed to blend the serious and silly bits together in the last couple of episodes.
Title: Re: Episode 347
Post by: Aazealh on September 27, 2016, 08:19:18 PM
One thing i find really interesting about that broken Casca figure in the coffin are the places that are cracked. The most obvious one is the genital area. Additionally her right arm and left eye seems to be cracked too which is the complete opposite of what Guts has lost during the eclipse.

I don't know about all that. Feels like a stretch to me. The portions that are most damaged are the head, chest and arm. I also don't think it's meant to imply something regarding Guts.

Just arrived in the mail! Haven't even had a chance to go through all of it yet.

Lucky you! Thanks for the pictures!

I think the emaciated creature might be a dog also. In the first pics of it chained to the coffin it looks horse-like, but in the pic on the bottom left when the flying figures are attacking and it shows the creature from behind it looks like a dog to me.

Well after checking, the text explicitly mentions a dog, so I guess that's that. The top pictures really make it look like a horse to me, but it's probably just because they're quick sketches.

I wonder if the animal is supposed to represent Guts. It looks like it might either have a lame left front leg or be missing part of it.

Its left side is definitely damaged, so that makes this interpretation quite likely.
Title: Re: Episode 347
Post by: DANGERDOOOOM on September 27, 2016, 08:39:33 PM
199 pages. Looks like there's not really anything new in here as most of us expected (besides the last four pages which we've already seen) but then again, I haven't gone through it thoroughly. I will say though, having only owned the Dark Horse volumes, the print quality of this is much much better in comparison.

Thanks for the sneak peaks -cause!
Title: Re: Episode 347
Post by: Walter on September 27, 2016, 09:29:46 PM
Miura has a book on dinosaur anatomy  :daiba:
Title: Re: Episode 347
Post by: -cause on September 27, 2016, 09:51:39 PM
Miura has a book on dinosaur anatomy  :daiba:

Ya I was pretty amused when I saw that. Pretty clever to get ideas for apostle forms from dinosaurs' anatomies. No wonder the bodies of apostles are always so unique, a part of his reference material comes from creatures who lived 65.5 million years ago. Of course, each apostle also gets their own healthy dosage of demonic attributes as well.
Title: Re: Episode 347
Post by: Bender on September 27, 2016, 09:56:25 PM
My copy of the Guide Book came in today.  Neat stuff.

I don't think I saw anyone else mention it, but there is also a 12 page interview with Miura inside.  I hope we get a translation from Dark Horse.
Title: Re: Episode 347
Post by: Aazealh on September 28, 2016, 04:56:16 AM
I don't think I saw anyone else mention it, but there is also a 12 page interview with Miura inside.

Walter mentioned it a while back.
Title: Re: Episode 347
Post by: ApostleBob on September 28, 2016, 01:30:35 PM
Walter mentioned it a while back.

Is this something that will be added to the pile for the patreon project? A recent and extensive interview would be fantastic.
Title: Re: Episode 347
Post by: RaffoBaffo on September 28, 2016, 01:45:46 PM
A dog without a leg, and a broken doll.
Man, I wanna read the next Episode so bad...
Title: Re: Episode 347
Post by: Aazealh on September 28, 2016, 01:58:51 PM
Is this something that will be added to the pile for the patreon project? A recent and extensive interview would be fantastic.

12 pages? Maybe if more people pledge... I mean this stuff isn't trivial.
Title: Re: Episode 347
Post by: Mangetsu on September 28, 2016, 03:47:55 PM
Im pretty sure that this is a horse.

 :rickert:

I don't know about all that. Feels like a stretch to me. The portions that are most damaged are the head, chest and arm. I also don't think it's meant to imply something regarding Guts.

True. It wouldn't make that much sense either, since it's explicitly about her body & state of mind rather than additionally symbolizing anything for Guts, which we already seem to get through the dog.
Title: Re: Episode 347
Post by: BiQ-- on September 28, 2016, 04:01:32 PM
My reaction to this episode was:

Wow. Just... wow.

Even more so than usually. IT'S HAPPENING! IT REALLY REALLY IS HAPPENING! AAAAAGH!

Also, that last page might or might not be my phone lockscreen background at least until the next ep comes out. And order for that guidebook has now been placed. Whew. I haven't been *this* hyped for Berserk for a long time.
Title: Re: Episode 347
Post by: Walter on September 28, 2016, 04:11:39 PM
:rickert:


Admittedly, it looked a lot like a horse in that first panel. Its one of the many downfalls of trying to derive meaning from these sketchy panels. The inclusion of 犬 in the text is the only thing that makes it clear.

What's most interesting to me about this scene is that if the wounded dog represents Guts -- dragging the broken doll of Casca behind him, it implies that a portion of Casca is aware of what's been happening since the Eclipse. She's not completely in the dark. Of course, this could be how her subconscious mind has processed the events, and not how the "true" Casca, once she has been restored, will remember things. So many possibilities.
Title: Re: Episode 347
Post by: Grail on September 28, 2016, 04:19:50 PM
Even more so than usually. IT'S HAPPENING! IT REALLY REALLY IS HAPPENING! AAAAAGH!
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v92/Grenga/7drHiqr_zpspc007i6c.gif)

I realized that I didn't get around to commenting about the episode in this thread, so that gif will remain my main statement. :ganishka:

What's most interesting to me about this scene is that if the wounded dog represents Guts -- dragging the broken doll of Casca behind him, it implies that a portion of Casca is aware of what's been happening since the Eclipse. She's not completely in the dark. Of course, this could be how her subconscious mind has processed the events, and not how the "true" Casca, once she has been restored, will remember things. So many possibilities.

That's really what keeps sticking in my mind in terms of the "what-ifs" of Casca's return. How much will she remember? Gobs and I were throwing ideas around, and I think we agree that the story could be a lot more interesting if she remembers more. That way, she'd be able to hit the ground running in terms of further exploring relationships with Farnese, Schierke and the others. Her waking up and going "who are you all? :???: " would just be too depressing for me!

Also, that last page might or might not be my phone lockscreen background at least until the next ep comes out. And order for that guidebook has now been placed. Whew. I haven't been *this* hyped for Berserk for a long time.

Adding to all the excitement is the fact that we're exempt from watching that dang anime for another few months. I really needed the break. :sad:
Title: Re: Episode 347
Post by: ApostleBob on September 28, 2016, 04:45:55 PM
12 pages? Maybe if more people pledge... I mean this stuff isn't trivial.

No one's asking for it right away. But I'd personally rather see stuff like this translated than Miura's random episode comments from the 90s. I feel like there would be more value added to the community from a recent in depth interview during one of the most pivotal moments in the series.

I do understand that it's a completely different amount to translate, but I'm sure it can be broken into chunks. Perhaps other Japanese speaking users like id0tf0wl can assist to lighten the burden for Puella.
Title: Re: Episode 347
Post by: Aazealh on September 29, 2016, 12:21:28 PM
That's really what keeps sticking in my mind in terms of the "what-ifs" of Casca's return. How much will she remember? Gobs and I were throwing ideas around, and I think we agree that the story could be a lot more interesting if she remembers more. That way, she'd be able to hit the ground running in terms of further exploring relationships with Farnese, Schierke and the others. Her waking up and going "who are you all? :???: " would just be too depressing for me!

I don't know about that. Like I've argued in the past, her starting fresh would offer a lot of possibilities. It would completely disrupt the group dynamics and allow for refresh relationships to be created. I think it'd be very exciting personally, and not depressing at all. That's not to say her remembering things wouldn't be interesting as well though ("thanks for wiping my ass all these years, I really appreciate it"). Either way, I'm sure Miura has got some great things in store for us! :guts:

No one's asking for it right away. But I'd personally rather see stuff like this translated than Miura's random episode comments from the 90s. I feel like there would be more value added to the community from a recent in depth interview during one of the most pivotal moments in the series.

Right away or not isn't the point. 12 pages simply is a lot of content, like I said. And the Patreon is first and foremost about translating the episodes. Doing Miura's old comments is only a bonus, and if you must know, the monthly pledge is $30 short of meeting it at the moment, and has been for months. So puella's doing it even though she technically shouldn't. Finally, other donators actually care a lot about those comments. In any case, we'll probably work on translating this interview eventually, when puella has the time for it. But don't go thinking it's anything but a huge, underappreciated effort for the sake of the community.

I do understand that it's a completely different amount to translate, but I'm sure it can be broken into chunks.

One sentence chunks, one per week? It's just a bad comparison no matter how you look at it.
Title: Re: Episode 347
Post by: Rupert Sinclair on September 29, 2016, 02:46:31 PM
In any case, we'll probably work on translating this interview eventually, when puella has the time for it. But don't go thinking it's anything but a huge, underappreciated effort for the sake of the community.

Personally, I would be perfectly happy with just a broad summary of the main points or anything that might be interesting in there and that would be enough.
Title: Re: Episode 347
Post by: ApostleBob on September 29, 2016, 05:37:23 PM
In any case, we'll probably work on translating this interview eventually, when puella has the time for it. But don't go thinking it's anything but a huge, underappreciated effort for the sake of the community.

It's always appreciated. Fans can get reliable content here that they can't anywhere else. I donate to support the continuation of that, and out of respect to previous efforts that were done just out of pure fan dedication.

Personally, I would be perfectly happy with just a broad summary of the main points or anything that might be interesting in there and that would be enough.

I too would also be satisfied with a summary of the content of this, outlining anything that we don't already know about Miura's process, and thoughts about the series and character's progression.  It's always a fascinating insight, and often clears up misconceptions.
Title: Re: Episode 347
Post by: Uriel on September 30, 2016, 09:34:20 AM
These images are from the Berserk Guidebook that was recently released.

Sorry about the phone quality images. They show what appears to be a very dark vision. Inside a coffin bearing The Band of the Hawk symbol that is being dragged by a frail/dead horse we see broken doll with a brand on its chest. These images also show a child with long hair - maybe the moonlight child or an infant Casca. At the end there appears to be an image of Guys staring off into the distance.

1. http://imgur.com/rNI3SRT
2. http://imgur.com/dm0FqWx
3. http://imgur.com/isVWKW6
4. http://imgur.com/mUwT6P8
5. http://imgur.com/JrUs6OF
6. http://imgur.com/SsOWRaa

Photos were taken on a train, sorry for the blur. Happy to provide alternatives when I have time if they're requested.


Title: Re: Episode 347
Post by: Aazealh on September 30, 2016, 09:51:05 AM
Thanks Uriel, but you really should read previous contributions before posting. These have all been posted (several times) and discussed extensively. :slan:

As a reminder to all members, Young Animal #19 is now available for purchase on hakusensha-e.net (https://www.hakusensha-e.net/top?id=7049). No Guidebook though.
Title: Re: Episode 347
Post by: ApostleBob on September 30, 2016, 03:25:15 PM
Thanks Uriel, but you really should read previous contributions before posting. These have all been posted (several times) and discussed extensively. :slan:

As a reminder to all members, Young Animal #19 is now available for purchase on hakusensha-e.net (https://www.hakusensha-e.net/top?id=7049). No Guidebook though.

I think there is one new image in here that shows the group back at the wizard village drinking tea. Probably not a bad call as the mods said, because it allows them to skip around in the dream, and allows Guts to fill in the rest of the group potentially about the band of the Hawk and the Eclipse.  Frankly I find it impressive that Miura has made it feel natural up to this point that his companions haven't pressed him on Casca and her condition and why dark forces are attracted to him. I would think someone as crass as Isidro and as cautious as Serpico would bring it up since they're on a quest for it and all.
Title: Re: Episode 347
Post by: Walter on September 30, 2016, 03:35:50 PM
I think there is one new image in here that shows the group back at the wizard village drinking tea.

Yeah they're eating and drinking with the help of Magnifico and a few brownies. And while we could see it in the previous images, we can see it a little more clearly with Uriel's pics.  Poor Magnifico can't bear the thought of serving people  :magni: And Guts is apart from the group, looking reflective. I expect it'll be like Aaz said, him reflecting about his past with Casca -- how her being back might change things.
Title: Re: Episode 347
Post by: Aazealh on September 30, 2016, 03:40:13 PM
I think there is one new image in here that shows the group back at the wizard village drinking tea.

No, it had already been shown and commented on as well.
Title: Re: Episode 347
Post by: ApostleBob on September 30, 2016, 05:57:49 PM
Yeah they're eating and drinking with the help of Magnifico and a few brownies. And while we could see it in the previous images, we can see it a little more clearly with Uriel's pics.  Poor Magnifico can't bear the thought of serving people  :magni: And Guts is apart from the group, looking reflective. I expect it'll be like Aaz said, him reflecting about his past with Casca -- how her being back might change things.

I love the idea of her taking the leadership role. We know she's not going to up stage Guts in combat, but she has a level head, strong sense of discipline, tutored under Griffith as far as strategy goes, and was one heck of a fighter. Of course it will be a little bit before it could even be possible to jump into that role. There must be some sense of recovery after being mentally absent for so long. 
Title: Re: Episode 347
Post by: bhaal on October 07, 2016, 11:40:16 PM
Just a little comment:
We have 1 instance where Casca, after the eclipse, revert to sane for a moment, and tell Guts she was having a very bad dream, (you can discus that was canon or not, but at least the scene was write by Miura himself) and now we have this and the preview for 348.
Title: Re: Episode 347
Post by: DANGERDOOOOM on October 08, 2016, 12:16:53 AM
Just a little comment:
We have 1 instance where Casca, after the eclipse, revert to sane for a moment, and tell Guts she was having a very bad dream, (you can discus that was canon or not, but at least the scene was write by Miura himself) and now we have this and the preview for 348.

Casca talked to Guts after the Eclipse? When was this?
Title: Re: Episode 347
Post by: RaffoBaffo on October 08, 2016, 12:19:47 AM
Casca talked to Guts after the Eclipse? When was this?
The Videogame on Dreamcast.
Title: Re: Episode 347
Post by: DANGERDOOOOM on October 08, 2016, 12:22:14 AM
The Videogame on Dreamcast.

Ah, never played it. Interesting.
Title: Re: Episode 347
Post by: Cyrus Jong on October 08, 2016, 02:36:43 AM
Ah, never played it. Interesting.

Here's the scene (https://youtu.be/N32QQqKOf5I?t=6439) if you're interested. As well as the rest of the game's story. Word of warning: the English translation of the game...left a lot to be desired.
Title: Re: Episode 347
Post by: Aazealh on October 08, 2016, 08:56:45 AM
Just a little comment:
We have 1 instance where Casca, after the eclipse, revert to sane for a moment, and tell Guts she was having a very bad dream, (you can discus that was canon or not, but at least the scene was write by Miura himself) and now we have this and the preview for 348.

Indeed, Miura managed to make this consistent even though 17 years elapsed between the two instances. But we all already knew that he's the greatest storyteller to ever live, so this changes nothing. :serpico:
Title: Re: Episode 347
Post by: Vixen Comics on October 14, 2016, 08:05:52 PM
You know normally I would be a bit sad that we are going on Hiatus but for some reason I am slightly relieved we are. I don't know if Miura has control of when the episodes are put out but i feel that this break came in just the right time (for me personally) and was well timed. I don't know how to explain this but you know when you have been anticipating something for a long time and you have this buildup of excitement/tension/expectation inside you that you think you might burst if you don't take a breather for a moment to fully appreciate it? 'That's how I feel right now. I think I was getting close to sensory over load by finally arriving at an event that has  been in the works for what seems like forever.
Title: Re: Episode 347
Post by: Grail on October 14, 2016, 08:16:12 PM
Vixen, I think you hit the nail on the head! I feel pretty much the same way about it. Given that this may be the most important event to occur in the series since the majority of us began reading, the gravity should have some time to sink in. I definitely needed the break!
Title: Re: Episode 347
Post by: Mangetsu on November 22, 2016, 08:44:10 PM
Somebody posted this on twitter, it was just drawn yesterday!  :ubik:

(https://i.redditmedia.com/4r8jMURlmOlU8ge_nHg6_Jq18esQbeID_J8RjBStd_8.jpg?w=576&s=218ca378bdc7c7c96d59b5ef6d724ec3)

Here is the original twitter post to it, which seems to have an interesting story behind it.

https://twitter.com/steinsgate_love/status/800942549628162048
Title: Re: Episode 347
Post by: Kaladin on November 22, 2016, 08:46:15 PM
Great catch, this looks awesome! I wonder what the tweet says, seems like something to do with her brother (google translations)
Title: Re: Episode 347
Post by: DANGERDOOOOM on November 22, 2016, 09:36:37 PM
Fantastic :guts: Do we know what he draws these for?
Title: Re: Episode 347
Post by: Zade on January 07, 2017, 10:27:25 PM
When is berserk back to episode 348?
Title: Re: Episode 347
Post by: MrFlibble on January 07, 2017, 10:55:28 PM
When is berserk back to episode 348?

The internet will let you know.
Title: Re: Episode 347
Post by: Gummyskull on January 07, 2017, 11:58:23 PM
Somebody posted this on twitter, it was just drawn yesterday!  :ubik:

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Cx2E_mcUkAAxjS0.jpg)

Here is the original twitter post to it, which seems to have an interesting story behind it.

https://twitter.com/steinsgate_love/status/800942549628162048

The tweet was deleted. Did anyone save the image?
Title: Re: Episode 347
Post by: Mangetsu on January 08, 2017, 05:34:54 AM
The tweet was deleted. Did anyone save the image?

I updated my post. You should be able to see it now  :void:
Title: Re: Episode 347
Post by: Chaos on February 03, 2017, 04:52:17 AM
... Also very intrigued by that child-like figure. It's not the boy, it's yet another representation of Casca, and I think it's one that's hiding itself. It's "the thing in the Abyss of Casca", as the text says.

Hey Aaz! I haven't seen this discussed since this particular mention, but I wanted to discuss this idea further. Specifically, why you don't think it's the moonlight child.

Before I continue, I think the child being a representation of casca makes the most sense. But just for discussions sake: looking at the sketches, with the way the chatacter is shown, it reminds me a lot of past instances when the moonlight child kind of just "shows up"/appears/whatever the correct term is. Also, we have seen the child come to guts' aid when he was in trouble, in astral form; is it a farfetched idea that he would show up to help casca, too?

Having this discussion/asking this question of you based off of sketches alone is more than likely moot, especially (as you've stated) with this being casca's deep conscious, the childlike figure being her makes the most sense. If it is the moonlight child, however, I think that would definitely add another element to this moment (not like it needs it  :ganishka:)
Title: Re: Episode 347
Post by: Aazealh on February 03, 2017, 02:35:27 PM
Hey Aaz! I haven't seen this discussed since this particular mention, but I wanted to discuss this idea further. Specifically, why you don't think it's the moonlight child.

Hey Chaos. I don't think it's the "Boy in the Moonlight" because the text Miura wrote on his sketch says it's something else. Also because this takes place inside Casca's psyche and relates to her specifically. Even if the boy were to appear in her dream, it wouldn't really be him, but a representation of him in her mind. Just like with other people (e.g. Guts).

is it a farfetched idea that he would show up to help casca, too?

Yes it is. This takes place inside Casca's mind. It's not a place people can enter in their "body of light". That's why the group traveled all the way to Elfhelm instead of having Flora do it back at her place.
Title: Re: Episode 347
Post by: Chaos on February 04, 2017, 04:40:04 AM
Hey Chaos. I don't think it's the "Boy in the Moonlight" because the text Miura wrote on his sketch says it's something else. Also because this takes place inside Casca's psyche and relates to her specifically. Even if the boy were to appear in her dream, it wouldn't really be him, but a representation of him in her mind. Just like with other people (e.g. Guts).

Yes it is. This takes place inside Casca's mind. It's not a place people can enter in their "body of light". That's why the group traveled all the way to Elfhelm instead of having Flora do it back at her place.

Well that answers that question, Miura himself stated so!  Very cool that this info was include in the sketch.

And in regards to the second part of your response: absolutely makes sense. I was just thinking out loud, mainly due to the fact that we don't know the full extent of what the boy is capable of. Having said that, for him to be able to either project his astral form from afar and somehow join the ritual, or inexplicably be within the vicinity of the Sovereign of the flower storm and work his way into the ritual without undergoing the same process as Farnese and schierke and remain undetected all the while are both, admittedly, rather absurd thoughts. All I can say is the idea of him showing up to help casca got the better of me.  :farnese:

Hopefully, when it is revealed what the childlike figure is/represents, it will not be detrimental in restoring casca!
Title: Re: Episode 347
Post by: Aazealh on February 04, 2017, 08:41:47 AM
Hopefully, when it is revealed what the childlike figure is/represents, it will not be detrimental in restoring casca!

Well, like I said in the post you quoted originally, the text does give us an indication of what it is: "the thing in the Abyss of Casca". It's vague, sure, but still is a significant hint. One could guess that it is the core of Casca's ego, something that has retreated to the deepest parts of her mind and therefore broken her. Or maybe it is her fear/pain/trauma that she's secreted away, and again that could be the key to her condition. Or it could indeed be a representation of her son (who is obviously very important to her) and serve as a hint or a part of the puzzle to get her back.
Title: Re: Episode 347
Post by: Chaos on February 07, 2017, 01:07:14 PM
Well, like I said in the post you quoted originally, the text does give us an indication of what it is: "the thing in the Abyss of Casca". It's vague, sure, but still is a significant hint. One could guess that it is the core of Casca's ego, something that has retreated to the deepest parts of her mind and therefore broken her. Or maybe it is her fear/pain/trauma that she's secreted away, and again that could be the key to her condition. Or it could indeed be a representation of her son (who is obviously very important to her) and serve as a hint or a part of the puzzle to get her back.

Oh man, totally didn't register that! That is extremely interesting. I wonder if after all this time it has taken shape to contain parts of all that you have mentioned? On the other hand, there is also the figure in the coffin to consider, in regards to her fear/pain/trauma, perhaps? Or maybe the two are somehow connected? With this being within her mind it's going to be fascinating to see how this unfolds.
Title: Re: Episode 347
Post by: Walter on February 07, 2017, 02:38:20 PM
I wonder if after all this time it has taken shape to contain parts of all that you have mentioned? On the other hand, there is also the figure in the coffin to consider, in regards to her fear/pain/trauma, perhaps? Or maybe the two are somehow connected?

It's an incredibly difficult portion of the story to speculate about. We're in dreamland here, so there are many possibilities. The queen has already said that things may not be what they seem.

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Danan: We can say that dreams are part of the Astral World, but their internal rules are subject to the mind of the dreamer.
Danan: Finding what those rules are is the first thing you should do.
Title: Re: Episode 347
Post by: Chaos on February 10, 2017, 03:23:47 AM
It's an incredibly difficult portion of the story to speculate about. We're in dreamland here, so there are many possibilities. The queen has already said that things may not be what they seem.

Tell me about it; my head is spinning just based off of some sketches! I'm also curious to see what the rules are for casca, and what role the queen may have in all of this beyond what she is already doing (not to make light of what she is already doing: this isn't something that could have been done without her).