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Title: Episode 348
Post by: Femto96 on March 21, 2017, 01:02:41 PM
The spoilers for the latest episode are out (source: Sarcasmos12, reddit)
http://m.imgur.com/a/rduxC
Title: Re: Episode 348
Post by: jackson_hurley on March 21, 2017, 01:09:31 PM
Jesus f**** wow. Very nice. I like the Guts/dog parallel with his missing front leg. And the tiny Casca running in Farnese's hand. Cute and sad at the same time.

Can't wait to see the real deal to better understand that preview!

Thank you Femto96

And before someone ask it : April 28th is the next one. (Because sometimes it seems like people care more about when it's coming out vs enjoying the actual issue coming in)
Title: Re: Episode 348
Post by: DANGERDOOOOM on March 21, 2017, 01:10:01 PM
HNNNGH :ubik:
Title: Re: Episode 348
Post by: Sareth on March 21, 2017, 01:18:40 PM
Anyone else notice that the artstyle is more like the episodes of Rickert in Falconia rather than the most recent batch?
Title: Re: Episode 348
Post by: MrFlibble on March 21, 2017, 01:22:14 PM
Called it, it was a dog.
Title: Re: Episode 348
Post by: jackson_hurley on March 21, 2017, 01:22:52 PM
Anyone else notice that the artstyle is more like the episodes of Rickert in Falconia rather than the most recent batch?

I did not find that much difference. I think it might be the filter we get sometime with the Korean scans. I might be offtrack though. But this one seems to come from the official release.
Title: Re: Episode 348
Post by: Walter on March 21, 2017, 01:46:27 PM
Good stuff, very curious about the tiny Cascas and the pyramid-shaped structure on the horizon. Also, the things attacking Guts/Casca have Femto-shaped wings.  :femto:

Called it, it was a dog. [\spoiler]

Congratulations? We knew it was a dog as soon as Aazealh pointed out the text saying "dog"  (http://www.skullknight.net/forum/index.php?topic=15197.msg244790#msg244790)in the preview scan half a year ago.

Anyone else notice that the artstyle is more like the episodes of Rickert in Falconia rather than the most recent batch?

Looks about the same to me, but it could indeed be the scan quality playing tricks on us.
Title: Re: Episode 348
Post by: jackson_hurley on March 21, 2017, 01:48:59 PM
the pyramid-shaped structure on the horizon. Also, the things attacking Guts/Casca have Femto-shaped wings.  :femto:

Yes those two things got me puzzled. I don't know about you but the quality on my Ipad is not that great so I'm having difficulties to figuring out what exactly they are (for the latter part of your post)

It looks like a mix of regular specters but with Femto wings like you said. Maybe that's how she interpreted the specters or something of the likes.
Title: Re: Episode 348
Post by: Walter on March 21, 2017, 02:00:36 PM
It looks like a mix of regular specters but with Femto wings like you said. Maybe that's how she interpreted the specters or something of the likes.

Oh, yeah I think they're meant to represent specters for sure. I think the addition of the "spears" is just a way to visualize that they are attacking, and over time wounding Guts (here we go with the interpretive analyses!). But it's interesting that Miura gave them that added detail.
Title: Re: Episode 348
Post by: jackson_hurley on March 21, 2017, 02:06:24 PM
Oh, yeah I think they're meant to represent specters for sure. I think the addition of the "spears" is just a way to visualize that they are attacking, and over time wounding Guts (here we go with the interpretive analyses!). But it's interesting that Miura gave them that added detail.

Yes indeed. And is it me or these specters are actually the weird cloaks stuck on a stick? Man this is gonna be an awesome reading anyway. I've been looking at the pictures non-stop since they have been posted. (Stuck doing reception work until noon and the phone doesn't ring so I take advantage of that!)

And it seems (to me at least) that Casca consider herself a burden for Guts.
Title: Re: Episode 348
Post by: Griffith on March 21, 2017, 02:15:01 PM
Now this is more like it! :guts:

It's definitely a tidy representation of their lives and the relationship between Guts, Casca, and evil in general (with the Femto-like wings a nice reminder of his ultimate influence), Guts taking the spears and them sticking in and only making him more ferocious and dangerous in general. It's nice to see him as a relatively good dog for a change though, even if he's still a very scary one. =)

The art is very old school to me, reminiscent of the imagery in volumes 16-19, probably due in no small part to what's being depicted (Guts even resembles the dogs he fought back then).

And it seems (to me at least) that Casca consider herself a burden for Guts.

I actually took that as a bit of a burden on her as well, him dragging her, or this idea, shell or corpse around everywhere in a casca-et (sorry =).
Title: Re: Episode 348
Post by: MrFlibble on March 21, 2017, 02:25:08 PM
I actually took that as a bit of a burden on her as well, him dragging her, or this idea, shell or corpse around everywhere in a casca-et (sorry =).

Yeah, it harks back to the Golden Age, where she felt guilty over Guts enduring constant injury for her.

Congratulations? We knew it was a dog as soon as Aazealh pointed out the text saying "dog"  (http://www.skullknight.net/forum/index.php?topic=15197.msg244790#msg244790)in the preview scan half a year ago.

Welp, I'll take my 6 months out of the loop trophy and show myself out.
Title: Re: Episode 348
Post by: Griffith on March 21, 2017, 02:36:46 PM
Yeah, it harks back to the Golden Age, where she felt guilty over Guts enduring constant injury for her.

That's a factor, but I was thinking more the expectations Guts has had for her since the beginning, post-eclipse. Despite the sacrifice he's making it's not necessarily a healthy and completely selfless thing he's doing for or to her here. Even if he's protecting what's left of her old self, it's also a broken shell locked in a coffin and chained to a ferocious dog... so, that's a lot of potentially conflicting stuff to unpack. It seems at least somewhat harmful to her recovery as good as the intentions (and real world benefits of not being killed) are, and could in fact be hindering her from moving forward and recovering from where/who she is now. We'll see how that plays out. Will the pieces of the old Casca be reassembled, or is that what's leaving her broken and they need to be let go before she can regain her self?


Or maybe it just means they're essentially married? :carcus:
Title: Re: Episode 348
Post by: darnage on March 21, 2017, 04:15:56 PM
Is it me or the dog's the same race as Gambino's dog? I tried to verify myself but I'm not good with dog, they are a bit different but I can't say if it's because they aren't from the same race or just because Gambino's a puppy.

Jesus f**** wow. Very nice. I like the Guts/dog parallel with his missing front leg. And the tiny Casca running in Farnese's hand. Cute and sad at the same time.

He's also missing his eye, and he has a scar on his nose, but he doesn't have the astral wound on his back.
Title: Re: Episode 348
Post by: jackson_hurley on March 21, 2017, 04:47:07 PM
Is it me or the dog's the same race as Gambino's dog? I tried to verify myself but I'm not good with dog, they are a bit different but I can't say if it's because they aren't from the same race or just because Gambino's a puppy.

He's also missing his eye, and he has a scar on his nose, but he doesn't have the astral wound on his back.

Yeh I noticed the other similarities as well. About the dog though, I'm not sure we could say it's the same race considering Casca never saw that dog. Now of course it could be but I don't think so imo.
Title: Re: Episode 348
Post by: Aazealh on March 21, 2017, 04:56:31 PM
I like the Guts/dog parallel with his missing front leg.

We already knew that from the preview... What I like about it is that it's a very standard dog and there's no hint of the Beast of Darkness in there, which is as it should be. The details with the brand and iron leash/collar and all are neat as well.

Good stuff, very curious about the tiny Cascas and the pyramid-shaped structure on the horizon.

Indeed, that pyramid in the background is most ominous, and is surely where Danan is taking them... Wonder what it'll be. A giant sacrificial altar maybe, as a metaphor for the hand during the Eclipse? Or just some sinister building inside of which they'll find Casca's lost self?

Also, the things attacking Guts/Casca have Femto-shaped wings.

I wonder whether that intentionally references Femto... Could just be a cool design with bat wings, although the Femto connection makes a lot of sense.

And is it me or these specters are actually the weird cloaks stuck on a stick?

Yes, they morph into those.

And it seems (to me at least) that Casca consider herself a burden for Guts.

Indeed, that's one aspect of it. The image of the coffin chained to the dog's neck, the fact it drags it incessantly across an endless desert, the fact the winged creatures attack the coffin itself first (prompting the dog to bark to defend it)...

I actually took that as a bit of a burden on her as well, him dragging her, or this idea, shell or corpse around everywhere in a casca-et (sorry =).

I wouldn't say it's a burden on her as much as a very harsh representation of her current state. She sees herself as basically broken and dead, and literally a dead-weight for Guts. I think that implies a lot of misplaced guilt to come on her part.

That's a factor, but I was thinking more the expectations Guts has had for her since the beginning, post-eclipse. Despite the sacrifice he's making it's not necessarily a healthy and completely selfless thing he's doing for or to her here. Even if he's protecting what's left of her old self, it's also a broken shell locked in a coffin and chained to a ferocious dog... so, that's a lot of potentially conflicting stuff to unpack. It seems at least somewhat harmful to her recovery as good as the intentions (and real world benefits of not being killed) are, and could in fact be hindering her from moving forward and recovering from where/who she is now.

I don't really agree with that sentiment. I don't think those scenes are meant to show her resenting Guts for what he's doing, like he's clinging to her old self instead of letting it go. I think it's really much harsher on her than it is on him. He's pictured pretty truthfully: enduring tirelessly and with nothing to show for it.

Is it me or the dog's the same race as Gambino's dog?

I don't believe it is. They have different "faces" and Gambino's dog was much, much smaller. Besides there'd be no point to it. No relevant connection between the two, thematic or otherwise.
Title: Re: Episode 348
Post by: jackson_hurley on March 21, 2017, 05:13:33 PM
We already knew that from the preview...

Well of course we knew it. But it doesn't void the fact that I like the parallel.  :serpico:

But to finally see it completed vs the sketch/preview is awesome.

What I like about it is that it's a very standard dog and there's no hint of the Beast of Darkness in there, which is as it should be.

Yes indeed. This is a very nice representation of him from her point of view. Very cool.
Title: Re: Episode 348
Post by: JMP on March 21, 2017, 05:20:27 PM
And the tiny Casca running in Farnese's hand. Cute and sad at the same time.
Yeah, so the tiny Casca must be the scribbly version of Casca that came with Schierke and Farnese in the last episode, only she has shrunk very small now. Kind of reminds me of Alice in Wonderland. Maybe her size has to do with her feeling more helpless in this situation? She is already normally helpless and child-like and now she seems even more so because she's so small. She's like a tiny little spark of life that's left of this desolated Casca in the casket.
Title: Re: Episode 348
Post by: Johnny Apples on March 21, 2017, 05:28:00 PM
Fantastic episode, as always  :ubik:

We already knew that from the preview... What I like about it is that it's a very standard dog and there's no hint of the Beast of Darkness in there, which is as it should be. The details with the brand and iron leash/collar and all are neat as well.......


.....Indeed, that's one aspect of it. The image of the coffin chained to the dog's neck, the fact it drags it incessantly across an endless desert, the fact the winged creatures attack the coffin itself first (prompting the dog to bark to defend it)...

One other detail I noticed is how the ground itself underneath that dog's feet is extremely coarse and jagged. Making the act of dragging that Band of Hawk-emblazoned coffin even more painful for him. In a way, the condition/shape of the ground in of itself symbolizes Guts' agonizingly brutal journey.
Title: Re: Episode 348
Post by: Demon Knight on March 21, 2017, 05:31:49 PM
Really excited!

so,the inner of Guts does mean a dog
Title: Re: Episode 348
Post by: Aazealh on March 21, 2017, 05:39:56 PM
One other detail I noticed is how the ground itself underneath that dog's feet is extremely coarse and jagged. Making the act of dragging that Band of Hawk-emblazoned coffin even more painful for him. In a way, the condition/shape of the ground in of itself symbolizes Guts' agonizingly brutal journey.

I'm gonna go ahead and say the status of the ground probably isn't relevant other than to show it's a desolate landscape.

so,the inner of Guts does mean a dog

Uhh, I don't understand what you mean. The inner Guts? You mean Guts as represented in Casca's endless dream?

Yeah, so the tiny Casca must be the scribbly version of Casca that came with Schierke and Farnese in the last episode, only she has shrunk very small now.

Hmm, I'm not sure, I think it's probably the entity shown on this preview page here (on the left):

(http://i.imgur.com/wdQoAv1.jpg)

The page just isn't part of the leaks. Apparently near the end of the episode Farnese places it inside the husk that's in the coffin (or maybe puts it back inside?) and I guess it looks like it transforms the husk somehow (assuming the page order is correct)? Then they head out deeper into the dream. Either way, that little Casca sprite seems very agitated and full of energy (like current Casca), but I'm not sure it's meant to be exactly the same version of Casca that Farnese and Schierke saw on the surface of her consciousness. I agree with the idea of a "spark of life" though, and putting that spark back into the broken husk seems like a good way to start the "healing" process.
Title: Re: Episode 348
Post by: Griffith on March 21, 2017, 05:56:37 PM
I wouldn't say it's a burden on her as much as a very harsh representation of her current state. She sees herself as basically broken and dead, and literally a dead-weight for Guts. I think that implies a lot of misplaced guilt to come on her part.

Well, I hope not, especially the latter, though it makes sense.

I don't really agree with that sentiment. I don't think those scenes are meant to show her resenting Guts for what he's doing, like he's clinging to her old self instead of letting it go. I think it's really much harsher on her than it is on him. He's pictured pretty truthfully: enduring tirelessly and with nothing to show for it.

Perhaps I'm conflating what's being shown here with his attacks on her while possessed by spirits/the beast, but it's hard not to think of that and their resulting estrangement as well given the relation to this dynamic and the similar symbols employed. I think it can be agreed that however they process the situation depicted here if/when/however it changes, it currently sucks for both of them and won't be easy to get over.

It would be great if they somehow come out on the same page though, understanding and forgiving each other and themselves. Unfortunately, their continued trauma makes for better drama, but it should be nice at first anyway, right... please, Miura? :judo:

http://i.imgur.com/wdQoAv1.jpg

I wonder if human Guts will show up in there by the end of the episode or if those shots of him and the others are happening externally.
Title: Re: Episode 348
Post by: Aazealh on March 21, 2017, 06:06:55 PM
Well, I hope not, especially the latter, though it makes sense.

We'll see of course, but I think she'll have some issues to sort out even after she's restored. It'll probably be complex issues too and not just any simple thing... Plus she'll have to find her place in a new group of people, a new world, a new life... Interesting stuff to look forward to, even if it won't be all sunshine and rainbows.

Perhaps I'm conflating what's being shown here with his attacks on her while possessed by spirits/the beast, but it's hard not to think of that and their resulting estrangement as well given the relation to this dynamic and the similar symbols employed. I think it can be agreed that however they process the situation depicted here if/when/however it changes, it currently sucks for both of them and won't be easy to get over.

Yeah, I don't think it's being addressed here. I think we're getting purely a "Guts struggling to protect two branded ones" vision with Casca being extra-hard on herself. That being said, this is just the beginning of Farnese and Schierke's exploration of her psyche... I will not be surprised if the issues you mention (her protector turning into an aggressor) pop up in episode 349 or 350. Although in what form is another question (since outside of the armor, the Beast of Darkness is completely internal to Guts). And even if they don't, I'm sure they'll come into play eventually. To be honest I think Guts himself would tell her about it at some point.

Now all that aside I agree that this carries thematic components of their relationship in volume 23, specifically the chain that also means the dog drags the coffin relentlessly, following its own desire. Then there's the fact Guts is shown not as himself, as a human, but as a dog. A dog is faithful and it protects but it is shown being ferocious, which mirrors Guts' behavior at that time. It's not the most positive depiction, and it could imply she's also afraid of it. Lastly it ties into the idea that she doesn't recognize him as Guts.

It would be great if they somehow come out on the same page though, understanding and forgiving each other and themselves. Unfortunately, their continued trauma makes for better drama, but it should be nice at first anyway, right... please, Miura? :judo:

Hehe, I have no doubt that it'll come to that eventually. :guts:

I wonder if human Guts will show up in there by the end of the episode or if those shots of him and the others are happening externally.

I'm pretty sure it's external, he's sitting worried aside from the banquet, can't take it easy while this is going down. Totally understandable too.
Title: Re: Episode 348
Post by: Sareth on March 21, 2017, 06:48:10 PM
I did not find that much difference. I think it might be the filter we get sometime with the Korean scans. I might be offtrack though. But this one seems to come from the official release.

Looks about the same to me, but it could indeed be the scan quality playing tricks on us.

The scans mess with the screen tones and line thickness, but I mean the technique and detail itself. Episodes 345-347 were just... off. Maybe I'll try making a comparison later to make my point but I'm just on my lunch break right now. I wonder if we'll be seeing much difference with those episodes when volume 39 is released. I really hope so.
Title: Re: Episode 348
Post by: DANGERDOOOOM on March 21, 2017, 07:25:25 PM
The scans mess with the screen tones and line thickness, but I mean the technique and detail itself. Episodes 345-347 were just... off. Maybe I'll try making a comparison later to make my point but I'm just on my lunch break right now. I wonder if we'll be seeing much difference with those episodes when volume 39 is released. I really hope so.

Miura's technique is bound to change. Change over time is inevitable. We should all just be glad he's​ still passionate with his own creation and puts in his absolute best to give us an amazing story. As long as their is more added to the story, I'm glad, regardless of style change.
Title: Re: Episode 348
Post by: Walter on March 21, 2017, 07:35:42 PM
Not much to add that others haven't discussed. Casca's relationship with Guts (well, her super-depressing angle on it, anyway) is at the core of this episode, and I look forward to seeing how Miura evolves that as we move forward in this dream journey. Will the representation of the dog change if the characters undergo another transition between dream worlds? Or is this where we'll stay? It's pretty nice being in truly uncharted territory, now that we're (mostly) beyond the guidebook's preview.

I think the representation of the specters as sticks and cloaks blowing in the wind is a pretty smart design choice when you consider that the person we're dealing with hasn't been introduced or oriented to the concept of supernatural beings like the rest of the cast. Instead of perceiving them as they are floating, amorphous, astral blobs she's using the real-world analog of a cloak blowing in the wind.

I'm excited to learn more from the missing 9-10 pages, which could encompass the Elfhelm banquet scenes we saw in the guidebook preview. Speaking of which, with the introduction of these small Casca-like beings, I think we can say with some certainty who that "child" with ratty clothing in the preview was (not the boy...).

Miura's technique is bound to change. Change over time is inevitable. We should all just be glad he's still passionate with his own creation and puts in his absolute best to give us an amazing story. As long as their is more added to the story, I'm glad, regardless of style change.

I don't think Sareth was trying to begrudge Miura for it, merely confirming the details of an art style change.

That being said, I do think it's a tiring subject, because we've been having the same on-again, off-again discussion about Miura's style for the last year, with no end in sight. It's like tuning your HDTV. "Something's not right -- is the image distorted?! Maybe it's the signal..."  :schnoz:

Title: Re: Episode 348
Post by: Aazealh on March 21, 2017, 08:04:13 PM
Speaking of which, with the introduction of these small Casca-like beings, I think we can say with some certainty who that "child" with ratty clothing in the preview was (not the boy...).

I think it's just one being that's hyperactive (hence how it's represented in some panels). I would also say that there was never any real doubt that the entity was Casca.

One thing though is that I wonder if we'll see more of these as they move forward. It's tough to say what's happening in that coffin without having the full episode, but maybe gathering disparate and scattered parts of Casca's ego and then putting them back together inside the broken doll (like puzzle pieces) is what the process of fixing her will look like?
Title: Re: Episode 348
Post by: jackson_hurley on March 21, 2017, 08:46:30 PM
but maybe gathering disparate and scattered parts of Casca's ego and then putting them back together inside the broken doll (like puzzle pieces) is what the process of fixing her will look like?

That's a very interesting angle for fixing her and I'm anxious to see it happening in it's entirety. And like Walter said, we are in uncharted territory which makes it the more interesting. Not that I'm good at guessing what's gonna happen in charted territory haha. Makes it more fun for me to discover the story that way.
Title: Re: Episode 348
Post by: Aazealh on March 21, 2017, 08:51:38 PM
Some things that can be gathered from the text (courtesy of puella):

Schierke wonders what kind of horrible thing happened to make Casca keep this scenery in her mind. Farnese asks why there is a mountain in the distance, but Schierke answers that for now they can't know, and that their goal is to figure out the meaning of everything they encounter little by little. That journey of understanding in itself is their goal.

When they first see the dog, Schierke notices his front left paw and the emblem on the coffin. Farnese also comments after the fight that the dog doesn't see them as his enemies. And of course they quickly put together that in this world, the dog is Guts.

Upon finding the little sprite, Schierke mentions that she's agitated, just like the Casca they know. She also tells Farnese that it must be deeply related to the current Casca, and so she should be careful to not let it be blown away (we can see that wind is blowing in that panel). Farnese tells the little Casca to please be calm and stay still (as she's placing her within the husk), and that she's sorry but she'll play with her again later (the same way she speaks to Casca in the real world).

EDIT: More specifically, Schierke says "This is in the heart of Casca's mind. If the girl (Casca) is separated from the doll, I think, it might influence Casca in the current world."

Title: Re: Episode 348
Post by: Sareth on March 21, 2017, 08:58:46 PM
Miura's technique is bound to change. Change over time is inevitable. We should all just be glad he's​ still passionate with his own creation and puts in his absolute best to give us an amazing story. As long as their is more added to the story, I'm glad, regardless of style change.

I'm not complaining that the art changed. I know it is constantly shifting, but as an artist I'm just genuinely curious about how it suddenly changed the way it did and now seemingly gone back to how it was a few episodes ago.
Title: Re: Episode 348
Post by: Frogacuda on March 21, 2017, 09:07:11 PM
I'm not complaining that the art changed. I know it is constantly shifting, but as an artist I'm just genuinely curious about how it suddenly changed the way it did and now seemingly gone back to how it was a few episodes ago.
Miura has a staff who contribute to the art. Wouldn't surprise me if he has different people with different specialties as well.
Title: Re: Episode 348
Post by: bhaal on March 21, 2017, 10:29:36 PM
What happens if Casca don't want to be "fixed"
They will drag her by force back to reality?
SK words from so long ago can be interpreted in so many ways that even this little, unthinkable possibility may happen.   
Title: Re: Episode 348
Post by: persiandud on March 22, 2017, 10:41:55 AM
I'm not complaining that the art changed. I know it is constantly shifting, but as an artist I'm just genuinely curious about how it suddenly changed the way it did and now seemingly gone back to how it was a few episodes ago.

I'm sure this has been discussed to death, but to me the recent shift in art style, in my eyes, reflects the change in setting. Everything seems more..."fantastical"
Title: Re: Episode 348
Post by: Mangetsu on March 22, 2017, 11:16:15 AM
Full episode!

http://wasabisyrup.com/archives/le9CSigleXI

There are some changes to the draft from the guidebook  :schnoz:
Title: Re: Episode 348
Post by: jackson_hurley on March 22, 2017, 12:13:10 PM
Full episode!

http://wasabisyrup.com/archives/le9CSigleXI

There are some changes to the draft from the guidebook  :schnoz:

Beautiful! But clearly there is a filter of some sort in the Korean scan vs the Japanese preview we got. I like it better without the filter. Either way I am really glad to be able to see it. Thx you very much.

A touching episode and I can't wait to hear your thoughts on it.

PS: The face Schierke and Farnese are doing when they want to open the coffin is priceless. And as I thought they find little Casca Inside the coffin and not outside.
Title: Re: Episode 348
Post by: Aazealh on March 22, 2017, 01:28:21 PM
Like I thought, the sprite is a fragment of Casca's ego. I suspect they'll have to find more of these to restore her.
Title: Re: Episode 348
Post by: Cyrus Jong on March 22, 2017, 01:37:55 PM
Hm, looks like the scene from the guidebook with Guts and company at the banquet is being saved for down the road. If it hasn't been cut anyway.

After the brisk pace we saw in the last few episodes, it rather surprised me how much slower this one was, acting as more of a general setup than anything. A lot of questions are being raised without any answers in sight. What is the ominous mountain looming in the distance? What would happen to Casca if the little sprite were to be removed from the doll? How can they even begin to piece her back together? And just what else awaits us down the line?

Definitely will be intriguing to see the interplay between Schierke and Farnese during this whole excursion. All their personal one-on-one interactions have been in relative safety so far, but now they have to go on a little adventure by themselves. If Guts' formidable presence wasn't there, then Isidro and/or the elves' comical antics were, and the absence of all those elements is kind of making me feel unsettled.

Didn't expect Farnese to be immediately taken in by the little sprite. It gives me hope that she won't have a hostile relationship with Casca.
Title: Re: Episode 348
Post by: Griffith on March 22, 2017, 01:59:37 PM
I don't think Sareth was trying to begrudge Miura for it, merely confirming the details of an art style change.

That being said, I do think it's a tiring subject, because we've been having the same on-again, off-again discussion about Miura's style for the last year, with no end in sight. It's like tuning your HDTV. "Something's not right -- is the image distorted?! Maybe it's the signal..."  :schnoz:

Yeah, besides noting significant changes in style, like overall design or possible format switch, it's become something of a tick to comment on the state of the artwork every episode even when there's nothing new to say. Those preview images look the same to me as the scans from 10 years ago, with comparable artwork too; it's been pretty consistent to me since Griffith's rebirth, and I feel like Miura's next move, if anything, would be to streamline. But, as jackson_hurley noted, it's only the scans that look like someone went crazy with a photoshop smart blur filter, so I assume it's going to look as good as ever in the volume.

After the brisk pace we saw in the last few episodes, it rather surprised me how much slower this one was, acting as more of a general setup than anything. A lot of questions are being raised without any answers in sight. What is the ominous mountain looming in the distance? What would happen to Casca if the little sprite were to be removed from the doll? How can they even begin to piece her back together? And just what else awaits us down the line?

I actually see it the opposite way, THIS is an eventful episode, the beginning of the payoff, whereas that brisk pace before was just to get here. That was motion, this is the action. I love the whole vibe of this episode, and I think it'll all come through more and benefit from translation. Not to mention the introduction of Guts Dog! I just wish he could actually become Guts' dog, like Superman and Krypto the Superdog; Gutso the Berserkerdog. =) Actually, he reminds more of another famous hero's dog...

(http://vignette3.wikia.nocookie.net/dcanimated/images/d/d7/Ace_(dog).png/revision/latest/scale-to-width-down/230?cb=20130302233239)(http://vignette3.wikia.nocookie.net/batman/images/1/1b/Batmanbeyond02.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20081203015619)

In any case, if it wasn't that it would almost certainly be killed, Guts should have a dog.

:troll: :troll: :troll: :troll:     :chomp: :guts:
Title: Re: Episode 348
Post by: Cyrus Jong on March 22, 2017, 02:30:42 PM
Not to mention the introduction of Guts Dog! I just wish he could actually become Guts' dog, like Superman and Krypto the Superdog; Gutso the Berserkerdog. =) Actually, he reminds more of another famous hero's dog...

In any case, if it wasn't that it would almost certainly be killed, Guts should have a dog.

Just as long as it doesn't end up like your Gutsfield (http://www.skullknight.net/forum/index.php?topic=12.msg170724#msg170724). :serpico:
Title: Re: Episode 348
Post by: JMP on March 22, 2017, 03:01:16 PM
Like I thought, the sprite is a fragment of Casca's ego. I suspect they'll have to find more of these to restore her.
Looks like you were right. No Casca shrinkage involved! :casca: They just found the sprite in the casket like that. It'll be interesting to see what part she'll play in Casca's healing. I love when Farnese first puts her hand in the casket and the sprite is hesitant and shy at first and then she just jumps right in. I think it shows how important it was for the people who went into the dream to be people Casca feels comfortable and safe with, too.

Definitely will be intriguing to see the interplay between Schierke and Farnese during this whole excursion. All their personal one-on-one interactions have been in relative safety so far, but now they have to go on a little adventure by themselves. If Guts' formidable presence wasn't there, then Isidro and/or the elves' comical antics were, and the absence of all those elements is kind of making me feel unsettled.
It felt natural to me. They've been building their relationship as teacher and student and as friends. I think they are ready for their own adventure as a team. :guts: I can't wait to see what happens!


Title: Re: Episode 348
Post by: Proj2501 on March 22, 2017, 04:09:38 PM
Amazing! Have to agree with Griffith, this is a pretty eventful episode. We've truly waited so long for these very pages and I think the payoff will be something to behold. :casca:
Title: Re: Episode 348
Post by: Aazealh on March 22, 2017, 05:02:04 PM
Hm, looks like the scene from the guidebook with Guts and company at the banquet is being saved for down the road. If it hasn't been cut anyway.

Nah, it's probably from the next episode.

What would happen to Casca if the little sprite were to be removed from the doll?

Casca would be mentally dead. She would not even be in her current state, where she's child-like, but completely catatonic.

Looks like you were right. No Casca shrinkage involved! :casca: They just found the sprite in the casket like that. It'll be interesting to see what part she'll play in Casca's healing.

Yeah, it's funny because I had a feeling the preview was out of order and that the sprite was already in there (and she was putting it back), and it was. This is very interesting and already tells us what's going to happen next. Basically, that small hyperactive Casca is all that's left of the original Casca. It's the only spark of life left in the dead husk, the broken doll. And it has a direct impact on Casca's personality in the real world. Because it's all that's left, it IS effectively her personality right now, instead of being one minor part of it.

To fix her, Schierke and Farnese will have to find her other sparks, more of those little fragments of her self, and put them back into the husk. Until they fix it. Until she's whole again. So I think we'll see Casca as a mom (with the boy), Casca as a warrior (with the Band of the Falcon), Casca as a lover (with Guts), and so on, and of course we'll see Casca dealing with Griffith/Femto, maybe both as an adoring follower and as a rape victim. All of these little scenes, these little parts, will contribute to them understanding her better (setting the shifting group mechanics that will emerge after she returns), and to her recovery. And obviously the climax of this journey will take place near the "spiky mountain" as Farnese calls it. Whatever that will be is the big question... probably not something nice.

After the brisk pace we saw in the last few episodes, it rather surprised me how much slower this one was, acting as more of a general setup than anything. A lot of questions are being raised without any answers in sight. What is the ominous mountain looming in the distance?  How can they even begin to piece her back together? And just what else awaits us down the line?

There's nothing surprising about it. Miura always goes quickly through the elements he doesn't deem important and then slows down for the momentous stuff. And I didn't even find the pace all that brisk. We had a fight upon the group arriving to Skellig, we saw them travel to the witches' village and then to Elfhelm... It's just a matter of perspective.

I also have to disagree with what you're saying. This episode contains a LOT of information and events (as I've been talking about in the thread), and I'm really quite certain that all questions being raised right now will be answered in the coming episodes (and I've already answered some above).

Didn't expect Farnese to be immediately taken in by the little sprite. It gives me hope that she won't have a hostile relationship with Casca.

No reason for them to have a hostile relationship, especially in these circumstances. It'll be hard for Farnese to let go of Guts, but really, the writing's always been on the wall. She's always known, she just hasn't accepted it yet. But she will eventually.

it's become something of a tick to comment on the state of the artwork every episode even when there's nothing new to say

Indeed...
Title: Re: Episode 348
Post by: __Bonfire__ on March 22, 2017, 07:52:54 PM
Now I'm feeling like every Puck and Isidro joke was made to counterbalance the painful moments arriving upon us
Title: Re: Episode 348
Post by: Aazealh on March 23, 2017, 08:48:53 PM
Here's a rough version of the dialogue based on those Korean scans, courtesy of puella. As usual in such case there might be inaccuracies.

Episode title: "Crepuscular Wilderness".

Schierke: This is the world that's inside the deeper layer of Casca's mind. A crespuscular wilderness where a black sun shines.
Farnese: A creepy, bloody, dreary scenery.
Schierke (to herself): What on earth made it possible for her to bear this scenery in her mind?
Farnese: What are those flag things planted here and there? What is that spiky mountain in the distance?
Schierke: We can't know, for now our goal is to figure out the meaning of everything we encounter.
Schierke: Anyway, first we should find Casca in this world.
Farnese: How can we do it in this vast environment?
Schierke: In a dream, distances are nothing more than symbols. If you open your eyes wide, you'll find a sign.
Schierke: An impaled dog dragging a coffin?
Farnese: Horrible...
Schierke: The left front paw, the emblem on the coffin...
Farnese: What should we do?
Schierke: We'll help that dog!
Farnese: We did it!
Farnese: Isn't it a bit dangerous to approach closely like this?
Schierke: It's no problem.
Farnese: Are we Ok?
Schierke: I think he knows we're not his enemies
Farnese: Who is this dog?
Schierke: As expected, look at this.
Schierke: In this world, this dog is Guts.
Farnese: Impossible, a dog?
Schierke: Because it's a dream
Schierke: His body's crisscrossed with wounds, he's lost his left front paw, and most importantly, the brand on his neck. All the symbols match.
Schierke: Then it means....
Farnese: I kind of feel guilty, like I'm digging out a tomb.
Schierke: Are you ready? Then I'll open it.
Schierke (to the dog): I'm sorry but it's necessary.
Farnese: A broken doll?
Schierke: No doubt, this is Casca.
Farnese: No, I can't believe... This ragged husk of a doll is...
Farnese: What's wrong?
Schierke: Look here, there's a small thing near her chest.
Farnese: A dwarf? She's even smaller than Puck and Ivalera.
Schierke: It's probably a fragment of Casca's ego.
Farnese: Come on, come on, don't be afraid.
Farnese: So cute!
Schierke: She's agitated, exactly like the Casca we know.
Schierke: Be careful
Schierke: It'll be a big deal if she's blown away. Let's put her back.
Schierke: This is the heart of Casca's mind. If she's separated from the doll, it might influence Casca in the real world in some way.
Farnese: Ah, I see.
Farnese: Please stay calm.
Farnese: I'm sorry. I'll play again with you later.
Farnese: I have a rough understanding of what's going on, but I don't know what we should do now.
Schierke: Let's follow the guiding marks.
Schierke (to the dog): Come on, this is what you also want, right?
Title: Re: Episode 348
Post by: Grail on March 23, 2017, 10:18:54 PM
Thanks Puella for your very helpful translations! I know that we can't expect 100% accuracy from these in particular, but it still helps to provide context and give us a general idea of what to expect as things develop.

My first thought about seeing the big "spiky mountain" in the background was that it would eventually show itself to be the enormous hand from the Eclipse. As it has become a recurring symbol within the series, and in many ways represents the crux of Casca's suffering, it seemed like a natural choice. Then again, Miura is pretty good at getting us thinking one thing and then subverts our expectations, so I never know what to predict. :ganishka: Anyone have another theory about it?
Title: Re: Episode 348
Post by: Mangetsu on March 23, 2017, 10:33:19 PM
Thanks Puella for your very helpful translations! I know that we can't expect 100% accuracy from these in particular, but it still helps to provide context and give us a general idea of what to expect as things develop.

My first thought about seeing the big "spiky mountain" in the background was that it would eventually show itself to be the enormous hand from the Eclipse. As it has become a recurring symbol within the series, and in many ways represents the crux of Casca's suffering, it seemed like a natural choice. Then again, Miura is pretty good at getting us thinking one thing and then subverts our expectations, so I never know what to predict. :ganishka: Anyone have another theory about it?

It is most likely the hand, as the extra shading goes hand in hand with the width of it

(http://i.imgur.com/alIWRJZ.jpg)
Title: Re: Episode 348
Post by: Walter on March 23, 2017, 10:37:37 PM
I'm not convinced of that image, but conceptually, it will be surprising if it's NOT the hand. It's the obvious imagery to pair with the Eclipse, which we know is coming.

Here's a rough version of the dialogue based on those Korean scans, courtesy of puella. As usual in such case there might be inaccuracies.

Episode title: "Crepuscular Wilderness".

Thanks Aaz+Puella, always teaching me new words in my native language  :guts:

Quote
Schierke: Look here, there's a small thing near her chest.
Farnese: A dwarf? She's even smaller than Puck and Ivalera.
Schierke: It's probably a fragment of Casca's ego.
...
Schierke: This is the heart of Casca's mind. If she's separated from the doll, it might influence Casca in the real world in some way.

This is my favorite detail of this episode. Some of the specifics are beginning to come into focus about what happened to Casca's mind after the Eclipse, and an explanation about her current state. We've usually used terms like "regression." But Miura is fleshing it out for us here on these pages. Aaz already alluded to it earlier in the thread, and it knocked the wind out of me:

Basically, that small hyperactive Casca is all that's left of the original Casca. It's the only spark of life left in the dead husk, the broken doll. And it has a direct impact on Casca's personality in the real world. Because it's all that's left, it IS effectively her personality right now, instead of being one minor part of it.

This little figure is the remaining essence of Casca -- an innocent, childlike aspect of her ego that was somehow shielded from the trauma of the Eclipse. It's remained hidden inside the shell of what was Casca. And it's of course no coincidence that that sprite is what she resembles now. Though it's always been the case that this "new" Casca is about as un-Casca as you can get, it's amusing to consider that somewhere in what composes her essence, there was a wild, childlike part of her that tumbled around like this. I wonder if this aspect survived because it was so foreign from her life with Griffith. Like an exponentially bad breakup, every part of her life that he had touched became poison, and was uprooted.

Another thing that has impressed me so far, in the fourth of Miura's dreamworlds, is that he's not relying on easy crutches to signify the past. We're inside the mind of a character who hasn't been around since the Golden Age, and yet aside from the Falcon insignia, he's not reaching into his bag of easy references here. It's wholly new, desolate imagery that's still thematically familiar to us.
Title: Re: Episode 348
Post by: Zant on March 23, 2017, 11:51:41 PM
My guess is the mountain in the distance is a massive pile of corpses who died in the eclipse, that's where we'll see the band of the hawk, at least what remains of them in casca's mind.
Title: Re: Episode 348
Post by: Johnny Apples on March 24, 2017, 01:27:26 AM
 
Thanks Aaz+Puella, always teaching me new words in my native language  :guts:

Well, to be fair, "crepuscular" is hardly a native Anglo-Saxon word.  No, not like these long-lost true gems of the English language (http://mentalfloss.com/article/66533/20-brilliant-anglo-saxon-words)  :ganishka:
Because of its old Latin origin, "crepuscular" also appears in numerous Romance languages as well

https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/crepuscular


This little figure is the remaining essence of Casca -- an innocent, childlike aspect of her ego that was somehow shielded from the trauma of the Eclipse. It's remained hidden inside the shell of what was Casca. And it's of course no coincidence that that sprite is what she resembles now. Though it's always been the case that this "new" Casca is about as un-Casca as you can get, it's amusing to consider that somewhere in what composes her essence, there was a wild, childlike part of her that tumbled around like this. I wonder if this aspect survived because it was so foreign from her life with Griffith. Like an exponentially bad breakup, every part of her life that he had touched became poison, and was uprooted.

I thought something along those lines too. Perhaps that mini-Casca sprite represents the sweet, playful little girl that Casca used to be, during her early childhood, before she was handed over to that pedophile nobleman? And in turn before she met Griffith. I don't have the volume 6 on hand, so feel free to correct me if I'm wrong - didn't Casca tell Guts how not only she had to give up her own dreams, but also forsake her childhood innocence and repress her femininity, all in order to be accepted by Griffith? Basically, she'd suppressed her true nature, her real self, to become one of Griffith's Falcons. I also wonder - is it because that aspect of her personality had remained so thoroughly repressed during her time with the Band of Falcon, ironically, that was precisely why it survived the Eclipse? Perhaps the next couple of episodes will reveal more information about Casca's origins and her past before she joined Griffith? Although Miura gives us a small glimpse of that in volume 6, maybe the future episodes will shed more light about her pre-Falcon life. What do you think Walter?
Title: Re: Episode 348
Post by: Gobolatula on March 24, 2017, 02:33:18 AM
Puella, you are the best. Thank you so much!
Title: Re: Episode 348
Post by: hearTes on March 24, 2017, 02:58:05 AM
That peak in the distance doesn't look like The Hand, could it be a mountain of corpses? or perhaps a grim mausoleum?
Title: Re: Episode 348
Post by: Aazealh on March 24, 2017, 07:53:27 AM
My first thought about seeing the big "spiky mountain" in the background was that it would eventually show itself to be the enormous hand from the Eclipse.

It's also what it immediately brought to my mind. However, and I'm also saying that for Mangetsu and hearTes, we shouldn't forget that this is a dream world where everything is a symbolic representation. It doesn't have to actually be a giant hand in order to be a representation of it, or of the events which took place around it. With that in mind, the fact it is a huge, looming part of the scenery and that it stands under a black sun makes it close enough already.

My guess is the mountain in the distance is a massive pile of corpses who died in the eclipse, that's where we'll see the band of the hawk, at least what remains of them in casca's mind.

The idea of a pile of corpses also crossed my mind. Given the pyramidal shape of the structure it makes total sense, but my one problem with it is that this vision has been traditionally associated with Griffith and him only. It was the vision of what was needed to attain his dream. Would it make sense for Casca to picture it herself? I'm not sure. Furthermore, regarding the Band of the Falcon, I would imagine that a more personalized depiction of its key members would be more fitting for her trauma. Maybe in keeping with the animal theme that we got for Guts, too (Judo as a squirrel throwing acorns? :ganishka:).

Anyway, it seems clear to me that this final step of the journey will be directly related to the Eclipse and the rape. And there's this idea I can't quite shake that the final fragment of her ego might be pinned on top of that big structure, with the black sun in the sky turning into Guts' eye as he watched her being abused. I can't let go of her very last words: "Don't look." Having the one she loves bear witness to her abuse must have generated so much shame and misplaced guilt, and it would be horribly tormenting for her to stay under that unflinching gaze forever...

Obviously it might be something wildly different, but I think that'd work really well.

This little figure is the remaining essence of Casca -- an innocent, childlike aspect of her ego that was somehow shielded from the trauma of the Eclipse. It's remained hidden inside the shell of what was Casca. And it's of course no coincidence that that sprite is what she resembles now. Though it's always been the case that this "new" Casca is about as un-Casca as you can get, it's amusing to consider that somewhere in what composes her essence, there was a wild, childlike part of her that tumbled around like this. I wonder if this aspect survived because it was so foreign from her life with Griffith. Like an exponentially bad breakup, every part of her life that he had touched became poison, and was uprooted.
I thought something along those lines too. Perhaps that mini-Casca sprite represents the sweet, playful little girl that Casca used to be, during her early childhood, before she was handed over to that pedophile nobleman?

I don't really agree with the interpretation that this part of her is just wasn't touched by her life in the Band of the Falcon, or that it's a throwback to a version of her when she was a kid. I think it might simply be something very primal. Something that also encompasses the part of her that likes action, that is curious and tumultuous, etc. Something that's always been there, but seen through lots of other layers and mixed with other feelings. When her ego was broken and scattered, only that part remained. Maybe because it is the strongest and/or perhaps the very first that came into existence? It's like all her personality was blown away, and only the most basic part remained. The part that eats and sleeps and wants and wonders.

Viewed like that, the childlike behavior could be seen as a consequence of it being unfiltered. Like a young child who doesn't yet know that you can't ask mom "why is that lady so fat?" in front of the lady in question, and who will just grab something he wants without caring. We learn social norms through experience, and that shapes our behavior and our personalities. But there are still core functions somewhere in there (that explains impulse purchases! :iva:).
Title: Re: Episode 348
Post by: Sareth on March 24, 2017, 12:28:11 PM
I can't wait to see how abstract and twisted the imagery becomes as they go deeper into Casca's broken mind. No doubt Miura is gonna take us on a feels trip. Ughh, I'm so anxious about these next few episodes.
Title: Re: Episode 348
Post by: Grifth on March 24, 2017, 12:36:06 PM
Amazing art on this one! Casca in portuguese means shell.  :???:
Title: Re: Episode 348
Post by: Konketsuji on March 24, 2017, 01:01:21 PM
Amazing art on this one! Casca in portuguese means shell.  :???:
In Russian it means a hardhat. :???:
(https://pp.userapi.com/c638625/v638625501/2bc47/RCEHKzzDeiI.jpg)
Title: Re: Episode 348
Post by: Mangetsu on March 24, 2017, 02:08:48 PM
By the way guys, Volume 39 should come out around june.

Credits: Ryu Osaka

(http://i.imgur.com/UKh7C0P.jpg)
Title: Re: Episode 348
Post by: Walter on March 24, 2017, 02:38:24 PM
By the way guys, Volume 39 should come out around june.

Interesting. At one release each month, there won't be enough material for a new volume until June. For the volume binding that latest episode to come out in the same month would be unprecedented, but not impossible I suppose.

Unless it drops to 8 eps per volume instead of 9  :magni:
Title: Re: Episode 348
Post by: Johnny Apples on March 24, 2017, 03:07:23 PM
Interesting. At one release each month, there won't be enough material for a new volume until June. For the volume binding that latest episode to come out in the same month would be unprecedented, but not impossible I suppose.

Unless it drops to 8 eps per volume instead of 9  :magni:

Another possibility is the 8th and 9th episodes of volume 39 coming out 2 weeks apart from each other, instead of a full month. Just trying to be optimistic :serpico:
Title: Re: Episode 348
Post by: MrFlibble on March 24, 2017, 03:53:54 PM
It's safe to assume as other have pointed out that Casca appreciates what Guts is going through to protect her, more cynical theories about Casca rejecting Guts after being cured, have thankfully been proven false. Regarding the hellish peak, I doubt it will be the God Hand altar, since it looks bugger all like a hand.


I wonder if the rape will come up, and if it does, how the event will be portrayed, and how Griffith will be portrayed. It will be very interesting to know just how Casca views Griffith at this point, since we've had little to no clues up until this point,  in every traumatic flashback Casca has had of the eclipse, none of them portray Femto, only the apostles that stripped her naked.
 
I also wonder if the wind that nearly blew Casca away, is a prelude to a larger threat, like some kind of enemy will attempt to destroy the Casca doll, or remove the Mini Casca from her coffin.
Title: Re: Episode 348
Post by: RaffoBaffo on March 24, 2017, 04:42:23 PM
Interesting. At one release each month, there won't be enough material for a new volume until June. For the volume binding that latest episode to come out in the same month would be unprecedented, but not impossible I suppose.

Unless it drops to 8 eps per volume instead of 9  :magni:
Mmmh, maybe he will go into regular relase schedule [twice a month] for a period.
Or maybe all the Episodes are already finished and the last will be relased on YA in June,at the same time of the Volume.
Yeah, a lot of "maybe"

BTW, regarding the current Episode, it's beautiful, I loved it  :badbone:
Title: Re: Episode 348
Post by: Sareth on March 24, 2017, 06:47:21 PM
It's safe to assume as other have pointed out that Casca appreciates what Guts is going through to protect her, more cynical theories about Casca rejecting Guts after being cured, have thankfully been proven false.

I think it is too early to make that assumption. Until we get deeper into Casca's mind my cynicism remains intact. I'm still not expecting the results of the ritual to go favorably for Guts.
Title: Re: Episode 348
Post by: __Bonfire__ on March 24, 2017, 09:11:18 PM
I think it is too early to make that assumption. Until we get deeper into Casca's mind my cynicism remains intact. I'm still not expecting the results of the ritual to go favorably for Guts.
The thing is, if th y cure her of her madness, Casca will remember everything, and then to me there aren't a lot of options left after that... Either she just breakdowns again or she goes Berserk like Guts, then there could be a lot of possibilities, like her turning against Guts or using the beheritt, it would be interesting if she stole the Brsrkr armor(but unlikely)... But all those options are unhappy... If they want to make her sane I think they have no choice but to manipulate her mind, wich is a perfect bitter resolution for Berserk. But none of these options are gonna happen imo I just hope it's not horrible or cheaply unexpected
Title: Re: Episode 348
Post by: Aazealh on March 25, 2017, 08:05:11 AM
It's safe to assume as other have pointed out that Casca appreciates what Guts is going through to protect her, more cynical theories about Casca rejecting Guts after being cured, have thankfully been proven false.

The idea that she'd leave Guts (often accompanied by the idea she'd flock to Griffith) was always baseless and asinine. However their relationship will have to be rebuilt over a period of time, and I do believe there'll be points of contention along the way. A lot of time has passed, a lot of things are different. Also, keep in mind this is just the beginning of Farnese and Schierke's journey into her mind. There are many fragments of Casca's ego left to be recovered (in whatever form they'll take), and those will probably include Guts' less savory moments.

Regarding the hellish peak, I doubt it will be the God Hand altar, since it looks bugger all like a hand.

Like I said in a post a couple days ago, it doesn't have to a replica of the hand in order for it to symbolize it. Guts is also not a dog and Casca isn't a broken doll being dragged in a coffin, but here we are. Given the scenery in this dreamscape, having a big towering structure under a black sun is already enough to for it to figuratively be a reference to the hand. Now that being said, what the thing will actually look like is definitely an unknown. Because it's all in a dream, perspectives and sizes can change (i.e. from mountain to molehill and vice versa), environments can morph into different things...

I wonder if the rape will come up

Well duh. :schierke: Of course it'll come up, it's going to be the centerpiece of this. It's the event that led to this whole thing. And its depiction will definitely be very interesting (if painful) to see.

Or maybe all the Episodes are already finished and the last will be relased on YA in June,at the same time of the Volume.

Wouldn't surprise me if it were the case.
Title: Re: Episode 348
Post by: JMP on March 25, 2017, 01:58:26 PM
Thanks so much for providing us with some translation, puella and Aazealh! :ubik:
Title: Re: Episode 348
Post by: BiQ-- on March 25, 2017, 02:11:01 PM
Thank you Puella and Aazealh!

Whoa.... Just wow. Here we are, finally. Casca's healing process is upon us.

The thought that she would, after healing, go to Griffith's side is indeed absolutely asinine thought. However, I don't think it's at all given she will ever be that close to Guts either again. Of course I wish they can find emotional support in each other again, but I don't dare to hope that. At the very least, she will have to actually face her massive trauma consciously for that to happen, instead of the (very understandable) reaction of complete dissociation.

My prediction for that mountainlike thing is that it's the whirlwind which actually "houses" the sacrificial ceremony. Like, the one we saw when Skull Knight had a face-off with Zodd back then, before diving in to attack Void (and saving Guts & Casca). Maybe Casca was something like borderline conscious when they were huddled over SK's horse and fleeing? Furthermore, I expect that the ceremony is basically replaying there nonstop ever since it actually happened, and part of Casca's consciousness is there too.

Which brings me to another thought; maybe Skull Knight is going to have some presentation here too?

If not that, it's a deformed arm & hand altar that Casca's mind has somehow made like that due to perspective. I believe no one would actually blame her for not having the clearest picture of the battleslaughterfield geography under those conditions.

IF it really is so that volume 39's publication coincides with an episode that is also therein... wouldn't that basically mean we might be in for at least six episode monthly streak??  :ubik: 
Title: Re: Episode 348
Post by: Aazealh on March 25, 2017, 05:52:22 PM
However, I don't think it's at all given she will ever be that close to Guts either again. Of course I wish they can find emotional support in each other again, but I don't dare to hope that.

Oh, come on, of course they will. It might just take time.

My prediction for that mountainlike thing is that it's the whirlwind which actually "houses" the sacrificial ceremony.

I find it hard to believe the characters would mistake a mountain for a tornado.

If not that, it's a deformed arm & hand altar that Casca's mind has somehow made like that due to perspective. I believe no one would actually blame her for not having the clearest picture of the battleslaughterfield geography under those conditions.

Not to repeat myself but given the highly symbolic nature of that dream world, I doubt anything will be 1:1 with real events. It's not a matter of good/bad memory but of figurative representation.

Which brings me to another thought; maybe Skull Knight is going to have some presentation here too?

If they come across a reenaction of her child's birth, maybe.
Title: Re: Episode 348
Post by: Griffith on March 25, 2017, 07:00:23 PM
Thanks to Puella and Aaz, as always.

The part I find most interesting is the idea of fragments of her ego split up around this dreamscape, and what the rest may be like. Will they all be small because they're fragments that need to "fit" in the doll, or is this one small because it's playful and Elf-like, and will others be different and represent different aspects? Like, will something like her warrior aspect be larger and more imposing (we've definitely seen it come to the forefront of her before). I guess it could change at any time because as Schierke points out scale is all relative here. It's pretty open what aspects there could be (lover, fighter, leader) or even more specific fragments significant to her life and development, but I'd be surprised if some major aspect of her femininty wasn't prominent. Anyway, as Aaz and others have already theorized from the previews they're probably going to need to find and reassemble these fragments in the doll in order to reassemble Casca, and I'm curious how that plays out in the dream and externally. Will she become more lucid, will parts of her be able to help them, will others try to intercede to protect her? If they put the warrior back in too soon could she become... dangerous? :carcus:
Title: Re: Episode 348
Post by: Aazealh on March 25, 2017, 10:14:05 PM
Will they all be small because they're fragments that need to "fit" in the doll, or is this one small because it's playful and Elf-like, and will others be different and represent different aspects?

I've been wondering the same thing actually. I don't think they all have to look the same, or that each fragment even needs to be personified like that. Maybe some will be inert objects, like a crystallized essence or something.

It's pretty open what aspects there could be (lover, fighter, leader) or even more specific fragments significant to her life and development, but I'd be surprised if some major aspect of her femininty wasn't prominent.

For sure, I think we'll see at least three key aspects to her womanhood: as a lover, as a mother, and as a victim of sexual assault.
Title: Re: Episode 348
Post by: JMP on March 26, 2017, 01:18:58 PM
My first thought about seeing the big "spiky mountain" in the background was that it would eventually show itself to be the enormous hand from the Eclipse. As it has become a recurring symbol within the series, and in many ways represents the crux of Casca's suffering, it seemed like a natural choice. Then again, Miura is pretty good at getting us thinking one thing and then subverts our expectations, so I never know what to predict. :ganishka: Anyone have another theory about it?
The only other thing the shape brings to mind for me is the top of a tent. Since that's what Casca and the Falcons lived in a lot of the time in her life as a mercenary I thought it might have something to do with that. The seemingly far off mountain shape in her dream looks so foreboding, though. I'm not sure a tent would fit, since I would think that would be something she would see as shelter or comfort. So I don't know! Some representation of the hand or eclipse does seem like it would make sense.
Title: Re: Episode 348
Post by: flagawax on March 29, 2017, 09:05:31 AM
Hi,

Thx for the preview and the traduction.
The travel on this BattleField is so symbolic.

So I think we'll see Casca as a mom (with the boy), Casca as a warrior (with the Band of the Falcon), Casca as a lover (with Guts), and so on,
Oh, that means, they'll discover Casca/Guts past. I mean, who are "The Band of Hawks", perhaps some fragments of old friends (Judo, Pippin, Carcus etc ..)
Title: Re: Episode 348
Post by: Aazealh on March 31, 2017, 05:44:21 PM
For info, Young Animal n7 is now available to purchase online. (https://www.hakusensha-e.net/top?id=7796)

Oh and Miura's comment for this episode is: "We're now over the halfway point of the anime. Please give us your interest and support."
Title: Re: Episode 348
Post by: Rhombaad on March 31, 2017, 06:18:42 PM
Thanks, Aaz! Gonna snag it when I get home from work tonight.
Title: Re: Episode 348
Post by: Sareth on March 31, 2017, 10:43:13 PM
Still waiting on my physical copy to arrive, I want to look at the episode in print. I'm currently collecting some back issues of Young Animal and my first one (#13 2016+appendix) came in the other day. Looks so much better without the weird filter from scans.
Now if only I could actually read Japanese...  :troll:
Title: Re: Episode 348
Post by: Kaladin on April 02, 2017, 09:28:32 PM
Still waiting on my physical copy to arrive, I want to look at the episode in print. I'm currently collecting some back issues of Young Animal and my first one (#13 2016+appendix) came in the other day. Looks so much better without the weird filter from scans.
Now if only I could actually read Japanese...  :troll:

it looks amazing in the magazine, so raw. the booklets they include with the old episodes makes me want the whole series to get a proper printing in that size  :judo: looks so good
Title: Re: Episode 348
Post by: Sareth on April 03, 2017, 02:03:37 AM
the booklets they include with the old episodes makes me want the whole series to get a proper printing in that size  :judo: looks so good

Yeah, I really liked flipping through the book with episodes from volume 16, can't wait for the other ones to come in.

I'm sure my family is going to be pretty suspicious about why I've suddenly started collecting magazines with half-naked Japanese girls on the cover...
Title: Re: Episode 348
Post by: Kaladin on April 03, 2017, 05:26:53 AM
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Yeah, I really liked flipping through the book with episodes from volume 16, can't wait for the other ones to come in.

Guts vs Zodd at the hill of swords SO GOOD  :judo:

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I'm sure my family is going to be pretty suspicious about why I've suddenly started collecting magazines with half-naked Japanese girls on the cover...
:schnoz: "I can explain"
Title: Re: Episode 348
Post by: Sareth on April 03, 2017, 02:28:21 PM
:schnoz: "I can explain"

"See, it looks like some pervy magazine... and it kinda is... but it publishes this really cool comic I like... you probably shouldn't look at it though..."  :farnese:

Edit: YAAAAS the new Young Animal just arrived  :ubik:
Title: Re: Episode 348
Post by: Sancho on April 07, 2017, 12:12:10 AM
What hitted me the most about this episode is how Casca is depicted inside her own dream. A broken clay doll, lifeless, inanimate, her eyes are empty and her mouth is devoid of expression, the whole figure and her inanimateness features are almost... scary, and it makes me shudder a little to think that this was Casca once. And on top of that there's the fact that this is basically her own view of herself, which makes it all the more sad.

And now i'm thinking, Danan mentioned that in order to bring her back to sanity Schierke and Farnese must find a resolution to her buried memories, but what resolution precisely? We know it was her tragic experience at the Eclipse that made her mind regress, but i mean what emotion exactly has broken Casca to that state and is now preventing her to regaining sanity by herself? In that should lie the key to the resoultion Danan talked about.
Title: Re: Episode 348
Post by: Aazealh on April 07, 2017, 05:30:42 AM
And now i'm thinking, Danan mentioned that in order to bring her back to sanity Schierke and Farnese must find a resolution to her buried memories, but what resolution precisely? We know it was her tragic experience at the Eclipse that made her mind regress, but i mean what emotion exactly has broken Casca to that state and is now preventing her to regaining sanity by herself? In that should lie the key to the resoultion Danan talked about.

I've commented about this a bunch of times before, but my hunch is that misplaced shame and guilt are a key part of it.
Title: Re: Episode 348
Post by: Sancho on April 07, 2017, 08:11:33 PM
I've commented about this a bunch of times before, but my hunch is that misplaced shame and guilt are a key part of it.

That seems a pretty nice idea. I remember you mentioning it in one of the podcasts, and the more i think about it the more i can see it turn out like this. In that case Farnese and Schierke will have to gradually bring Casca's true self to face Guts (inside the dream) again in order to finally make her face reality. Man, i can't wait to see a sane Casca react to Guts and her new friends, especially Farnese.
Title: Re: Episode 348
Post by: VladimirPutin on April 09, 2017, 10:07:38 PM
Such a nice episode. I mean, it really was nice, because different. Symbolism is important in this manga here and there, but with last episodes it's nice to see Casca inner-self represented in such weird and yet awesome way. Miura rarely disappoints me in his works.