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Title: Episode 350
Post by: Sareth on May 22, 2017, 12:21:09 PM
Preorders are up for the next Young Animal

http://www.cdjapan.co.jp/product/NEOBK-2094101
Title: Re: Episode 350
Post by: Aazealh on May 22, 2017, 06:38:21 PM
Thanks for the reminder Sareth!
Title: Re: Episode 350
Post by: Femto96 on May 23, 2017, 03:56:39 PM
Episode 350 spoilers guys!!

http://imgur.com/a/QaS3B
Title: Re: Episode 350
Post by: Aazealh on May 23, 2017, 04:12:03 PM
Lots of things to unpack in those pages. The restoration progress went even faster than I expected. Some funny scenes in there (Farnese covering Schierke's eyes) but that are already having an impact on the characters as well. Will comment more later.
Title: Re: Episode 350
Post by: Mangetsu on May 23, 2017, 04:12:59 PM
Fucking amazing.
Title: Re: Episode 350
Post by: Walter on May 23, 2017, 04:16:01 PM
Wow, most of the other memories at once — neat!

With Casca's fragments now mostly restored, the tiny sprite can talk, and I think she conveys that she wants to meet (who -- could it be the star of all of her memories?). Of course, the piece that's missing is the left breast, where the brand lies. Though the brand is already evident, of course...

The first memory is triggered by Schierke tapping Casca's old helmet and sword. Was a cool touch — I wasn't sure what it was at first.
Title: Re: Episode 350
Post by: RaffoBaffo on May 23, 2017, 04:16:32 PM
Perfect, can't wait for the translation.
Title: Re: Episode 350
Post by: Delta Phi on May 23, 2017, 04:42:01 PM
This is indeed happening much more rapidly that I anticipated. I'm loving the montage though. Seeing everything through Casca's eyes, literally, is really neat. I can't help but feel that through all these experiences, Farnese is going to gain such an intimate knowledge of Casca's and Guts' love for each other that putting her feelings aside won't be a matter of question. But maybe that's too clean and idealized.
Title: Re: Episode 350
Post by: jackson_hurley on May 23, 2017, 04:52:18 PM
Beautifull! I was not sure if I should/could pre-order the issue but fuck it. It's too grandiose to miss out on the original episode so I pre-ordered it. Can't wait for the full deal.

As others have said, I was not thinking it would move that fast but at the same time it's pulled in a very cool way so It's alright I'd say.
Title: Re: Episode 350
Post by: Gobolatula on May 23, 2017, 05:18:24 PM
What I find most interesting is this:
http://www.gobolatula.com/gutsdog.png (http://www.gobolatula.com/gutsdog.png)
Title: Re: Episode 350
Post by: Aazealh on May 23, 2017, 06:00:15 PM
So where was I...  The episode title is "Fragments of Memory".

Like I said earlier it's very dense. I love that we see the memories from a first person view, makes perfect sense and gives us a whole new look at these situations... The look in Guts' eye when their swords first clash for example. It's also very interesting that the dog is barking at that memory, it further underlines the fact that the dog embodies a part of Casca. Anyway, during that scene the girls feel that the transferred feeling is a very strong will to fight.

When they see the waterfall falling from the sky, they're not even surprised anymore because of everything they've gone through already. Afterwards, when they see Guts make love to Casca, Farnese hides Schierke's eyes and tells her she shouldn't see that while Schierke argues she might need it in the future. But she does look... She thinks to herself: "Ah, yeah... It's as I expected... No, it's what I already knew from the beginning."

An interesting conversation takes place after they've collected almost all fragments. Farnese says she feels like they've walked for a month, maybe even a year. And it shows. I like how disheveled they look, the wear on their dream-selves is very clear. Schierke tells her again that time is meaningless in that place. Then Schierke comments that there aren't many fragments left to put in the doll. She thinks the end of the journey is near. She adds that it seems they're being led to this spiky mountain, and it must be their final destination. She goes on: "It's what symbolizes the main cause that shattered Casca's mind. The monsters we've met so far can't be compared to this one, it'll be very powerful."

Farnese tells the (fearful) sprite that everything will be alright, then she notices the sprite is saying something. Schierke speculates it's because they've put a lot of fragments together. It says: "there's somebody I want to meet" and Farnese replies "I'll let you meet that person for sure, because it's what he wants."

Translated bits courtesy of puella as usual!
Title: Re: Episode 350
Post by: jackson_hurley on May 23, 2017, 06:12:49 PM
"there's somebody I want to meet" and Farnese replies "I'll let you meet that person for sure, because it's what he wants."

That last line is very interesting to me. I'm getting more and more intrigued by how it's all gonna wrap up etc. Thx Aaz for the quick summary! Great as always.
Title: Re: Episode 350
Post by: Aazealh on May 23, 2017, 06:44:42 PM
That last line is very interesting to me. I'm getting more and more intrigued by how it's all gonna wrap up etc. Thx Aaz for the quick summary! Great as always.

It means Casca wants to meet Guts...
But the missing part of her memory is going to be the key here, as Schierke says. It seems likely that reintegrating that memory will complicate Casca's feelings and maybe make her not so willing anymore. It would then be up to Farnese and Schierke to convince her or help her make the decision. We'll see.

On a side note, I still can't shake that crazy idea I had when we first saw that nightmarish landscape: the fact the black sun eerily looks like an eye with that white background and that peculiar break in the clouds. I think the resemblance is pretty strong in this episode. The idea I put out at the time is that maybe the black sun will morph into her last look in Guts' eye when he watched powerless as Femto violated her. I think that'd make sense in the context of her being "broken" by misconceived feelings of shame and guilt. Not to mention how much more powerful it would make her last words during the Eclipse: "Don't look." And given how much Guts has been featured in her memories so far, I'd say it makes even more sense now. Hell, if I push it, that spiky moutain could even pierce the "eye" (although I still expect the mountain to act as a symbol for the hand).

(http://aazealh.net/Divers/Episode350-BlackSun.jpg)

(http://aazealh.net/Divers/Eclipse-GutsEye.jpg)
Title: Re: Episode 350
Post by: jackson_hurley on May 23, 2017, 06:56:41 PM
It means Casca wants to meet Guts...

I knew that obviously.

It doesn't prevent the fact that I find it interesting and wanting to see how it's gonna happen. Thanx for sharing your take on the matter though.   :guts:
Title: Re: Episode 350
Post by: Menosgade on May 23, 2017, 07:43:22 PM
It was an interesting choice to go "Fast Fowards" regarding the memories. At first I thought Schierke and Farnese would have a closer look at them, just like the Bonfire of Dreams memories. But that'd be kind of a wasted of time. Retelling of a story we already know. It's pretty balanced on not overlooking Schierke's and Farnese's reactions / not dragging the story.

On a side note, I still can't shake that crazy idea I had when we first saw that nightmarish landscape: the fact the black sun eerily looks like an eye with that white background and that peculiar break in the clouds.

Wish I had that perspective! Since the clouds really do make an eye shape, that may be just the case. I mean, they could make any random shape, they're clouds, but we're in Casca's mind... where things ought to have a meaning.
Title: Re: Episode 350
Post by: Kaladin on May 23, 2017, 08:03:21 PM
Thanks for the translations Puella!!

Very chilling episode, you guys pointed out some great things about it. In the future when guts reunites with rickert, i wonder if farnese and Schierke will recognize him "oh it's the guy from the memories", i know he's older now and looks different but i think it'd be pretty cool. looking forward to seeing the 10 missing pages! we're getting closer  :judo:
Title: Re: Episode 350
Post by: Cyrus Jong on May 23, 2017, 08:23:27 PM
Things seem like they're moving briskly now, but it's just the calm before the storm. The real trial awaits within the mountain. Stay strong, girls. :sad:

Seeing the Casca sprite speak got me emotional. Sure, it's just a piece of her overall psyche, but it's almost like we're witnessing her say her first words in forever. And the fact that she wants so desperately to see Guts is...after reading so many hairbrained predictions over the years, that she's going to hate Guts and immediately flock back to Griffith, and getting into so many bitter arguments about it, to see how wrong they all were is...vindicating. I'm not naive enough to believe things will be hunky-dory when all is said and done, but I think it says volumes when the most important figure in Casca's mind (and hell, the most prominent person in her memory) is Guts.

Watching a flustered Farnese cover a protesting Schierke's eyes for the love scene was funny, but what kills me is how even the dog is looking a little sheepish in that panel.
Title: Re: Episode 350
Post by: Griffith on May 23, 2017, 08:38:27 PM
Of course, the piece that's missing is the left breast, where the brand lies. Though the brand is already evident, of course...

That really jumped out at me for a different reason, because it's reminiscent of the imagery of the Beast tearing her apart where Guts literally bit her, except that was on the right breast, so it seems that may not be reckoned with here as it's so far all been pre-eclipse and everything leading up to it.

What I find most interesting is this:
http://www.gobolatula.com/gutsdog.png (http://www.gobolatula.com/gutsdog.png)

I'd be remiss if I didn't point out this was my second biggest laugh here today after Farnese covering Schierke's eyes. Which reminds me of a Griffith's Real Life Stories of Berserk where I practically did the exact same thing to the younger sister of a friend when the Femto/Casca scene came on the 1997 anime. That was awkward. :ganishka:

It means Casca wants to meet Guts...
But the missing part of her memory is going to be the key here, as Schierke says. It seems likely that reintegrating that memory will complicate Casca's feelings and maybe make her not so willing anymore. It would then be up to Farnese and Schierke to convince her or help her make the decision. We'll see.

Are you sure she doesn't want to meet Griffith and live in his monster castle!? Kidding aside, I did wonder if that could also refer to the child since her conscious self hasn't properly "met" him yet, but I'm being very literal with these and terms and Guts is the obvious answer, I'm sure more so understanding the complete context.

On a side note, I still can't shake that crazy idea I had when we first saw that nightmarish landscape: the fact the black sun eerily looks like an eye with that white background and that peculiar break in the clouds. I think the resemblance is pretty strong in this episode. The idea I put out at the time is that maybe the black sun will morph into her last look in Guts' eye when he watched powerless as Femto violated her. I think that'd make sense in the context of her being "broken" by misconceived feelings of shame and guilt. Not to mention how much more powerful it would make her last words during the Eclipse: "Don't look." And given how much Guts has been featured in her memories so far, I'd say it makes even more sense now. Hell, if I push it, that spiky moutain could even pierce the "eye" (although I still expect the mountain to act as a symbol for the hand).

I don't think it's crazy or a side note. It's all there, even The Hand piercing the "eye" works as it was a clawed finger in first place, so all the better symbolism. As we've seen, certain items and totems have activated the memories, so why not the black sun and the clouds becoming the memory of Guts' eye from Casca's point of view, as you say. Back to what I said to Wally, I wonder if beyond the original memory Guts' image will be complicated as a fellow victim, witness, and perpetrator from his brief attack on her in the wilderness when her mind was also on the eclipse. Based on the hole in the breast appearing to be a coincidence and the memories themselves being very literal so far I'm assuming not, but I also wouldn't be surprised if it comes up somehow before they're out of there (especially if there's another rush of memories once they clear the hurdle of the eclipse). It's the kind of muddied the water that would complicate reconciling her.
Title: Re: Episode 350
Post by: Sareth on May 23, 2017, 08:47:31 PM
Shit, that was early. Gotta refrain from looking this time.
Title: Re: Episode 350
Post by: Aazealh on May 23, 2017, 09:10:52 PM
I wonder if beyond the original memory Guts' image will be conflicted both a fellow victim, witness, and perpetrator from his brief attack on her in the wilderness when her mind was also on the eclipse. Based on the hole in the breast appearing to be a coincidence and the memories themselves being very literal so far I'm assuming not, but I also wouldn't be surprised if it comes up somehow before they're out of there. It's the kind of muddied water that would complicate reconciling her.

My mind hasn't changed on that point; I still don't think Guts' assault in volume 23 will be addressed in the dream. I do think there'll be opportunities for it afterwards though (same for their son and for so many other things). However I believe the penance for it has been already served (over the past 15 volumes), so I don't see it becoming a huge thing where Casca will hold a long-lasting grudge. It'd be refreshing if she forgave him while he was choked by guilt. We'll see...

But for now I think the memory of the Eclipse is going to be a big challenge. I get the feeling Farnese will need to really comfort the Sprite in there, to convince it to take that step. Somehow I can easily imagine Farnese recounting to Casca all the times Guts fought to save her (either in the dream or maybe even after she wakes). What's great is that doesn't just include great moments from the Millennium Falcon and Fantasia arcs but also from the Conviction arc (she was there for the goat guy, for Mozgus...).

I also wonder if putting back that last piece won't threaten to fracture the doll all over again. Not sure how the girls would prevent that... maybe with Danan's help?
Oh and what form will the "enemy" take? Maybe the bat-winged creatures will conglomerate to form a monstrous version of Femto? Will the dog meet his demise?
Title: Re: Episode 350
Post by: stein on May 23, 2017, 09:25:48 PM
On a side note, I still can't shake that crazy idea I had when we first saw that nightmarish landscape: the fact the black sun eerily looks like an eye with that white background and that peculiar break in the clouds. I think the resemblance is pretty strong in this episode. The idea I put out at the time is that maybe the black sun will morph into her last look in Guts' eye when he watched powerless as Femto violated her. I think that'd make sense in the context of her being "broken" by misconceived feelings of shame and guilt. Not to mention how much more powerful it would make her last words during the Eclipse: "Don't look." And given how much Guts has been featured in her memories so far, I'd say it makes even more sense now. Hell, if I push it, that spiky mountain could even pierce the "eye" (although I still expect the mountain to act as a symbol for the hand).

I'm not sure how I missed this being mentioned before.  It just works so well given the context, and I think calling it a "crazy idea" is going a bit too far.  Certainly it has more weight than being the Beast of Darkness's eye, which makes no sense at all.  I look forward to seeing if this prediction comes to fruition. 

For some reason I never really considered the weight of Casca's guilt and shame, especially from the standpoint of Guts having to watch her rape, being a major factor in her breaking.  I've always looked at it being from Griffiths ultimate betrayal and the Eclipse as a whole, but it really does make sense that it could be the most significant factor here.
Title: Re: Episode 350
Post by: Griffith on May 23, 2017, 09:27:26 PM
My mind hasn't changed on that point; I still don't think Guts' assault in volume 23 will be addressed in the dream.

C'mon, Guts being the final obstacle would be a good plot twist! :carcus:

Yeah, it's going to be nightmare Femto, probably formed out of all the winged demons as you say. What's interesting is that, in my memory, he's been represented less directly over the years than the whole ordeal itself, the Apostles holding her up, etc. So, this will be interesting. What if Femto and the Apostles just straight up step out of the memory this time? :magni:

I do think there'll be opportunities for it afterwards though (same for their son and for so many other things).

Thus far there's been a clear line separating everything pre-eclipse, so I do wonder what impact her experiences will have on her reformed self and how she'll deal with them, if at all at first.

But for now I think the memory of the Eclipse is going to be a big challenge.

Yeah, I was thinking that it's going to be pretty hairy, like daunting as Hell and they have no idea yet. They're likely to have everything, whatever's lurking in the dreamscape, the memories, the sprites, the fragility of the doll, working against them all at once. Their minds could be at risk of breaking trying to reassemble her's and experiencing that trauma and more.
Title: Re: Episode 350
Post by: Skeleton on May 23, 2017, 11:45:11 PM
What I find most interesting is this:
http://www.gobolatula.com/gutsdog.png (http://www.gobolatula.com/gutsdog.png)

That's great. :ganishka:

And thank you for the summary, Aaz and Puella.
Title: Re: Episode 350
Post by: Aazealh on May 24, 2017, 06:17:53 AM
I'm not sure how I missed this being mentioned before.  It just works so well given the context, and I think calling it a "crazy idea" is going a bit too far.  Certainly it has more weight than being the Beast of Darkness's eye, which makes no sense at all.  I look forward to seeing if this prediction comes to fruition.  For some reason I never really considered the weight of Casca's guilt and shame, especially from the standpoint of Guts having to watch her rape, being a major factor in her breaking.  I've always looked at it being from Griffiths ultimate betrayal and the Eclipse as a whole, but it really does make sense that it could be the most significant factor here.

Hehe, thanks, I first mentioned it in the episode 347 thread (here) (http://www.skullknight.net/forum/index.php?topic=15197.msg244613#msg244613).

What's interesting is that, in my memory, he's been represented less directly over the years than the whole ordeal itself, the Apostles holding her up, etc. So, this will be interesting. What if Femto and the Apostles just straight up step out of the memory this time? :magni:

Yep, she's never had a flashback featuring Femto himself, which I think highlights how repressed that memory has been. And here we'll see it from a first person view... :sad:

Their minds could be at risk of breaking trying to reassemble her's and experiencing that trauma and more.

I'm curious to see how they'll manage when the feelings Casca experienced during the Eclipse will be transferred to them. Not going to be a fun time.
Title: Re: Episode 350
Post by: Blade on May 24, 2017, 07:48:44 AM
If Femto steps out of the Dream, I am so done!   :rakshas:
Title: Re: Episode 350
Post by: Aazealh on May 24, 2017, 08:48:23 AM
If Femto steps out of the Dream, I am so done!   :rakshas:

Haha nah, I don't think it'll be like that. More likely the adversarial part of her mind, i.e. what created and controls the dream, will be what poses a threat. Same way the flying creatures have attacked them until now, but ramped up to the max.

By the way, CDJapan (http://www.cdjapan.co.jp/product/NEOBK-2094101) has already shipped my copy of Young Animal! Now that is fast.
Title: Re: Episode 350
Post by: __Bonfire__ on May 24, 2017, 10:41:10 AM
What if the person she wants to meet(the Sprite) is Griffith?
Title: Re: Episode 350
Post by: MrFlibble on May 24, 2017, 10:51:56 AM
If Femto steps out of the Dream, I am so done!   :rakshas:
Wouldn't be the first time he's entered people's dreams. And he has a vested interest in keeping Casca insane.

One thing that's  Interesting, we haven't seen any memories of Griffiths downfall yet, i hope their meeting at the tower cell, crippled Griffihs attempted rape of Casca and the heartfelt speech she gives to Guts afterwards will be shown when they reach the peak.
Title: Re: Episode 350
Post by: Aazealh on May 24, 2017, 11:14:28 AM
The Korean scans are out. (http://wasabisyrup.com/archives/fbEWqzDMm_k)

A lot of memories are shown and not always in chronological order. Most of the Golden Age arc's key moments, though not all by far. What I find interesting is how varied the monsters are... and how fitting they are for the scenery. Very reminiscent of the Eclipse. There's a bunch of tentacled creatures down a cliff that eerily remind me of Slan for example. And I also love how Schierke & Farnese deal with them, using dream versions of real-life spells.

Lastly, there's quite a bit of development regarding how Farnese feels about Guts & Casca.
Title: Re: Episode 350
Post by: jackson_hurley on May 24, 2017, 11:23:01 AM
That moment in the coffin. Very cute! There is a lot of interesting stuff in this one. the golems vs the "spiders" is pretty neat. Reminds me of the weird spiders Inside the sea god. Lots and lots of beautiful oldschool moments

It really a pleasant episode for the eye! Thank again Aaz. Can't wait for your summary. As always it's very much appreciated. A ore-thx to Puella too of course.  :ubik:

Ps: correct me if I'm wrong but is that the shape of the "yin yan" apostle we see in the background just before the splash page with the montage?
Title: Re: Episode 350
Post by: Aazealh on May 24, 2017, 11:29:38 AM
the golems vs the "spiders" is pretty neat. Reminds me of the weird spiders Inside the sea god.

I had the same thought, the design is close.

Ps: correct me if I'm wrong but is that the shape of the "yin yan" apostle we see in the background just before the splash page with the montage?

I don't think it's meant to be the exact same thing, but yes it's similar to it. Close enough that I don't think it's a coincidence, same with the Slan-like creatures I mentioned above.
Title: Re: Episode 350
Post by: jackson_hurley on May 24, 2017, 11:51:43 AM

I don't think it's meant to be the exact same thing, but yes it's similar to it. Close enough that I don't think it's a coincidence, same with the Slan-like creatures I mentioned above.

Yeah I had that feeling too for the Slanish shapes. Either way, it's pretty cool and like you said I'm pretty sure it's not a coincidence.

ps: My copy got shipped too! Though I still did not get the last one yet.  :sad: This is what happens when you live far far away!
Title: Re: Episode 350
Post by: Aazealh on May 24, 2017, 01:27:32 PM
Here's a rough translation based on the Korean scans, courtesy of puella. Be warned that it may contain some inaccuracies.

Page 1

Farnese: Teacher, look over there!
Farnese: A sword and a helmet
Schierke: It seems so

Farnese: A boy?
Schierke: Who is he?

Page 2

Farnese: ...Ah, this is Guts when he was young?
Farnese: He's fighting...
Farnese: Why?

Farnese: The feeling transferred to me...
Farnese: Casca's strong fighting spirit

Casca: I'm going to die!

Page 3

Farnese: The doll is again...
Schierke: This is the way, no doubt...

Schierke: Let's continue to put the fragments together at this pace
Farnese: Yes! Let's do your best, dog-Guts

Page 4

Schierke: This is...
Farnese: A battle flag

Farnese: A battle...!?
Farnese: As expected, Casca was a warrior

Farnese: What is he? A shark-knight? Casca is annoyed.

Farnese: She's filled with a sense of solidarity with her comrades, as well as feelings of fulfillment and elevation that she accomplished her responsabilities

Page 5

Farnese: A sword again
Farnese: This is a different one

Griffith: "Do you think you're chosen by god just because you were born a noble?"
Griffith: "If you have something to protect, take the sword"

Farnese: Ah, this feeling, it's as if I got hit on the head (it's overwhelming)
Farnese: It's similar to what I conceive towards Guts

Farnese: Now there's some change in Casca

Page 6

Farnese: What are they? Plants?
Farnese: Actually, they look like insects

Farnese: As expected...
Schierke: They're going to attack us

Schierke: This is our chance

Page 7

Farnese: A chandelier is coming down from the sky
Schierke: It's a dream indeed

Farnese: A banquet?
Schierke: An enormous number of people

"Knights of the White Phoenix... Griffith, the White Phoenix General"

Farnese: Embarrassment? A burst of joy? A moment of glory with her comrades.
Farnese: ...But what's this one? A kind of anxiety and dreariness that she can't shake?
Farnese: Now that person has fallen?
Schierke: She felt a very strong agitation

Page 8

Farnese: A cave?

Farnese: Impatience? Anger and jealousy towards Guts?

Farnese: Why...
Farnese: ...This feeling is...

Page 9

Schierke: ...A broken sword
Farnese: The two are going to fight

Guts: Bye
Casca: Griffith...
Casca: G...
Casca: Guts...

Farnese: That feeling of powerlessness that she can't intervene between the two. That heartrending and heartbreaking feeling... And looking at his back... this deep feeling... as expected...

Page 10

Schierke: Hairballs?
Farnese: Yikes... horrible...
Schierke: It's probable that Casca doesn't accept this well physiologically

Schierke: Quick, come out, Lady of the Depths

Page 11

Farnese: A waterfall coming from the air?
Farnese: We're not surprised anymore no matter what we see

Farnese: These two are fighting again

Page 12-13

Farnese: Teacher, you shouldn't see this
Schierke: Ahh, but it could be useful for future reference...!

Farnese: As I expected, yeah, they were...
Farnese: No, this is what I knew from the beginning

Page 14

Farnese: An exhuberant feeling...
Farnese: Love, melancholy
Farnese: Yes, this overwhelming feeling, from all her heart, is Casca's mind...
Farnese: Her own...

Page 15

Schierke's face... She also felt it

Schierke: There's still a long way to go...
Schierke: Let's go

In the vast crepuscular darkness, our journey goes on

Page 18-19

Farnese: One month... Maybe one year? Or it feels like it's not even been one day.
Farnese: How long has it been?

Schierke: I don't know. Since the passage of time doesn't exist in dreams.
Schierke: But there aren't many empty parts left in this doll. I think the end of our journey is near.

Schierke: And I think we are being led to the spiky mountain. I guess that's our final destination.
Schierke: It's filled with an enormously thick/strong malevolent aura
Schierke: That probably symbolizes the main cause that scattered Casca's mind

Schierke: The closer we approach, we'll encounter enemies that are much stronger than the enemies we've met, that can't even be compared with them

Page 20

Schierke: Stay alert and keep your chin up
Farnese: Yes!

Farnese: She's trembling...?
Farnese: It's alright, everything will be Ok

Farnese: Huh?
Farnese: Teacher, this girl is saying something
Schierke: I think it's because we've put a lot of fragments together

Sprite: There's somebody I want to meet

Page 21

Farnese: The one she wants to meet, that is...
Schierek: For sure...

Sprite: I want to meet him
Farnese: I'll let you meet this person, for sure
Farnese: Because it's what he also wants
Title: Re: Episode 350
Post by: Walter on May 24, 2017, 01:41:40 PM
Incredible! Thanks so much to Aaz and Puella for the translation.

A Golden Age highlights reel! So many scenes here, recast with Miura's current pen. It's finally happening — Farnese and Schierke are learning about Guts' past by way of learning about Casca's. Isidro is going to be so jealous when he finds out what he missed...  :isidro:

And not only that, we get her emotions of each scene. Farnese' recounting of Casca's feelings of Guts' departure after the duel was very striking to me. Also...

Griffith: "Do you think you're chosen by god just because you were born a noble?"
Griffith: "If you have something to protect, take the sword"

Farnese: Ah, this feeling, it's as if I got hit on the head (overwhelming)
It's similar to what I conceive towards Guts

Huh, what a strange notion... So familiar, somehow.  :badbone:

I was somewhat surprised Farnese didn't put 2+2 together when she saw Griffith in the memories. Afterall, she saw Griffith in Albion, and heard Guts speak his name. Too bad... Guess it wasn't the right moment.

What I find interesting is how varied the monsters are... and how fitting they are for the scenery. Very reminiscent of the Eclipse.

Certainly -- design elements of slan and the apostle who kills Judo are abstractly visible. It's like a glimpse of what we could see up on the mountain.

Speaking of which, Schierke confirms the obvious about what's next: the group will soon encounter enemies that they can't so easily suppress, and the mountain exudes a malevolent feeling (no shit? that spiky ominous black thing?) I can almost see it now: Femto unfurls his wings. The mountain itself is crumbling. Both the memory and the figure are too powerful to endure. They have to escape. In the final moment, they fit the final piece in the coffin, and they wake up... They see Danan pointing, and then...! EPISODE 352.
Title: Re: Episode 350
Post by: Aazealh on May 24, 2017, 02:08:42 PM
A Golden Age highlights reel! So many scenes here, recast with Miura's current pen.

Indeed. A small regret is that we didn't see any memories highlighting events we didn't already know of. But I guess it makes sense if we think of the fragments as being related to the cause of all this.

It's finally happening — Farnese and Schierke are learning about Guts' past by way of learning about Casca's. Isidro is going to be so jealous when he finds out what he missed...  :isidro:

Yep! It's exactly what I expected and I think it really makes perfect sense for future developments. It'll allow the girls to emphasize with Casca in a way that just knowing about Guts' past from his own perspective wouldn't. What I'm curious about is whether the group as a whole will eventually talk some more about Griffith (beyond what Guts shared with the gurus).

Huh, what a strange notion... So familiar, somehow.  :badbone:

Haha, I have to say that I'm pretty happy this episode confirms everything I've always said about Casca's feelings for Griffith and Farnese' feeling for Guts (and how they're similar to one another). :guts:

I was somewhat surprised Farnese didn't put 2+2 together when she saw Griffith in the memories. Afterall, she saw Griffith in Albion, and heard Guts speak his name. Too bad... Guess it wasn't the right moment.

Yeah, both Farnese and Schierke have seen him, and they also both know from Guts' own mouth that he used to know him. I agree with you, I think it just wasn't the time. He's going to take center stage very soon, after all...

Certainly -- design elements of slan and the apostle who kills Judo are abstractly visible. It's like a glimpse of what we could see up on the mountain.

Yup... I quite liked the variety of critters we saw in this episode, and their uniqueness too. You'd think after 25 years Miura would be out of new designs to explore but I quite love all of these, with special mention to the, um, "tentacled balls".
Title: Re: Episode 350
Post by: Sancho on May 24, 2017, 02:48:59 PM
On page 14, where Farnese put the love memory piece on the doll, it is shown a different monster from the ones before, and on the page after it seems as if it was following from distance the girls and the dog. I'm not sure if it's going to be relevant in the next episodes, as an attempt of Casca's conflicted feelings to thwart her own recovery, or if i'm just reading too much into it.
Title: Re: Episode 350
Post by: Aazealh on May 24, 2017, 02:55:08 PM
On page 14, where Farnese put the love memory piece on the doll, it is shown a different monster from the ones before, and on the page after it seems as if it was following from distance the girls and the dog. I'm not sure if it's going to be relevant in the next episodes, as an attempt of Casca's conflicted feelings to thwart her own recovery, or if i'm just reading too much into it.

I don't think this specific monster is going to be relevant, to me it's just there to show how varied the critters are and how much travel the girls do (through different locations inhabited by different creatures).
Title: Re: Episode 350
Post by: stein on May 24, 2017, 03:25:59 PM
Indeed. A small regret is that we didn't see any memories highlighting events we didn't already know of. But I guess it makes sense if we think of the fragments as being related to the cause of all this.

I'm not sure if it's just my imagination, but even more so in this episode I feel a sense of urgency and excitement directly from Miura through his art.  It's almost as if he is exceptionally enthusiastic about what's coming next and can't wait to show the readers.  Certainly it would be cool to see a few unique scenes and some more episodes in this dream sequence, but it's fun seeing Miura this passionate about his work (not that he isn't always passionate!).  It's a great time to be reading Bersesrk.  :guts:
Title: Re: Episode 350
Post by: Aazealh on May 24, 2017, 04:16:55 PM
I'm not sure if it's just my imagination, but even more so in this episode I feel a sense of urgency and excitement directly from Miura through his art.  It's almost as if he is exceptionally enthusiastic about what's coming next and can't wait to show the readers.  Certainly it would be cool to see a few unique scenes and some more episodes in this dream sequence, but it's fun seeing Miura this passionate about his work (not that he isn't always passionate!).  It's a great time to be reading Bersesrk.  :guts:

Hahaha, I think you're projecting quite a bit here. :slan:
That being said, these certainly are exciting times to be a Berserk fan. But when hasn't it been? :void:
Title: Re: Episode 350
Post by: Griffith on May 24, 2017, 05:39:21 PM
Wow, a life in the day of Casca, and an arc in an episode of Berserk. This has to up there as one of the most satisfying episodes I can remember, like a best of retrospective director's cut with commentary turned on, and I love how the memories of the past affect and relate to the characters now. Plus all the symbolism of the setting, the triggers to the memories and the simple but surreal monster designs (like they crawled out right from under your bed =); and I also appreciate that the significance of their presence is emphasized over showing them being dealt with, though it's cool to see those spells again too. All in all, one of the most fulfillimg episodes in recent memory, and that's impressive given we also just got to Elfhelm, and definitely a worthy build up to Casca's reawakening (I almost want to say ressurection). Man, if Miura is approaching the end game this is a hell of a start.
Title: Re: Episode 350
Post by: Grail on May 24, 2017, 06:54:51 PM
Coming into the discussion a bit late, as usual these days (this is what happens when you wait till after the spoilers, kids! :judo: ). Thanks Puella and Aaz for the helpful summary.

The notion of a Rocky-esque montage was brought up as a possibility in the last episode's discussion, but like others, I didn't realize we'd get through so many memories so quickly. Looking back, I admit that I had anticipated that we'd spend a little more time on the memory of Guts and Casca's lovemaking. It felt like it was there and gone again very quickly. Then again, maybe my expectations were a little unrealistic - visually, it could have been a little awkward if there had been too much focus on this particular memory, given Casca's point-of-view during the whole thing. :ganishka: From a narrative perspective, Miura's always taken a less-is-more approach when it comes to memories of that scene, so I probably shouldn't have been surprised. In either case, I expect that we'll have plenty of time to catch up on the feelings behind these important moments once Casca's back in the saddle.

Little talking sprite-Casca was a definite highlight for me. Miura knows just when to pull out the little surprises that totally mushify your heart. It was so overwhelming to see something that had been kind of unspoken the last few episodes finally bubbling to the surface: "There's somebody I want to meet." I'm getting chills just thinking about it!

In closing, I'll leave it at this: get your hankies ready for 351, people. :badbone:
Title: Re: Episode 350
Post by: IncantatioN on May 24, 2017, 07:31:32 PM
Just read the spoilers and the summary (thanks Aaz and puella as always!). I love reading about possible theories on the imagery of this episode. Those creatures - super creepy >_<. I'm scared of spiders and seeing them just plop off the ground like that and attack them was just ... eeeeeeiiiiikk. Takes me back to those long legged creepy crawlies in episode 321. *goosebumps*

Could there be a possibility that the person Casca wants to see is either the Moonlight Boy or Griffith? If it were Griffith, I'd imagine the reason for her seeing him would be to ask "Why?". As I type this I don't think she'd want to necessarily see the Moonlight Boy if it were a contest between Guts and Griffith but I thought of him because that's another 'he' in her life. Hmmm ... none of that sounds plausible to be honest but I can't shake off the feeling ...

I love the way/ method each memory is tapped into. Genius.

In closing, I'll leave it at this: get your hankies ready for 351, people. :badbone:

I'm ready (I think)!
Title: Re: Episode 350
Post by: Aazealh on May 24, 2017, 07:42:54 PM
Could there be a possibility that the person Casca wants to see is either the Moonlight Boy or Griffith?

No, not really. It's obviously Guts, as Farnese and Schierke point out at the end of the episode. And even without that, really, it's pretty clear given the memories we've been shown.
Title: Re: Episode 350
Post by: Menosgade on May 24, 2017, 08:12:29 PM
Little talking sprite-Casca was a definite highlight for me. Miura knows just when to pull out the little surprises that totally mushify your heart. It was so overwhelming to see something that had been kind of unspoken the last few episodes finally bubbling to the surface: "There's somebody I want to meet." I'm getting chills just thinking about it!

I'd say that is the sole most important point of this episode. It's the first time we see Casca expressing herself with words. Sure, she didn't physically say them, but I'd say that's even better, because they couldn't express anything but a deep and true feeling inside her dreams. We got a very good clue on what, as SK would say, she really wants.
Title: Re: Episode 350
Post by: Aazealh on May 24, 2017, 08:29:00 PM
I'd say that is the sole most important point of this episode.

I'd say Farnese's reactions and mindset throughout the episode are pretty important too.

It's the first time we see Casca expressing herself with words. Sure, she didn't physically say them, but I'd say that's even better, because they couldn't express anything but a deep and true feeling inside her dreams. We got a very good clue on what, as SK would say, she really wants.

You're right, but keep in mind her psyche hasn't been completely fixed yet. The final piece(s) might radically alter how she feels. What they're about to face is what broke her (and created that world) in the first place.
Title: Re: Episode 350
Post by: jackson_hurley on May 24, 2017, 08:33:05 PM
What they're about to face is what broke her (and created that world) in the first place.

I'm getting goosebumps just thinking about it. One thing for sure is it's probly gonna be heartwrentching.
Title: Re: Episode 350
Post by: Salem on May 25, 2017, 12:59:07 AM
Truly amazing.  I can't add much that hasn't been said already, but one thing making me curious is the pace.  We could be at that last piece next episode,  :femto: or perhaps the next few episodes.  Hard to tell.  Our Casca is almost back. 
Title: Re: Episode 350
Post by: Blade on May 25, 2017, 02:09:19 AM
I was somewhat surprised Farnese didn't put 2+2 together when she saw Griffith in the memories. Afterall, she saw Griffith in Albion, and heard Guts speak his name. Too bad... Guess it wasn't the right moment.

I don't know about that.  Farnese was present when the old Wizards were talking about the Hawk of Light earlier, though she was busy watching Casca, I'm sure she heard about Guts' connection to Griffith when they were asking him questions.  Maybe not in name, but she'd recognize the face.

I think once they confront the truth (and Casca's emotions), things will be more concrete in how the state of the world has become.

Still, what happens next could be anything, regardless of Casca!
Title: Re: Episode 350
Post by: Walter on May 25, 2017, 02:26:24 AM
I don't know about that.  Farnese was present when the old Wizards were talking about the Hawk of Light earlier, though she was busy watching Casca, I'm sure she heard about Guts' connection to Griffith when they were asking him questions.  Maybe not in name, but she'd recognize the face.

I'm confused, what are you disagreeing with? Are you saying this episode was the right time for Miura to make Farnese realize who that wavy-haired man is and what his role is in everything? I mean, I do think a small acknowledgement could have been achieved in a panel, with a full revelation saved for when it made more sense in the story. But I also assume Miura considered that and discarded it for his own reasons. I think it would have distracted from everything else already happening in this crowded episode.

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I think once they confront the truth (and Casca's emotions), things will be more concrete in how the state of the world has become.

What does that have to do with your previous sentences?
Title: Re: Episode 350
Post by: Griffith on May 25, 2017, 06:16:55 AM
I think there's going to be plenty of Griffith soon enough, and there's rightfully so much shine on Casca, Guts, Farnese, and Schierke in this episode that it almost distracts from the fact that soon they'll be informed about Griffith's character and current relationship to Guts and Casca in the most stark way possible.
Title: Re: Episode 350
Post by: Aazealh on May 25, 2017, 07:28:32 AM
Truly amazing.  I can't add much that hasn't been said already, but one thing making me curious is the pace.  We could be at that last piece next episode,  :femto: or perhaps the next few episodes.  Hard to tell.  Our Casca is almost back.

My guess is there's about three episodes left. Volume 39 will end on one hell of a cliffhanger.

I think there's going to be plenty of Griffith soon enough, and there's rightfully so much shine on Casca, Guts, Farnese, and Schierke in this episode that it almost distracts from the fact that soon they'll be informed about Griffith's character and current relationship to Guts and Casca in the most stark way possible.

Yep...
Title: Re: Episode 350
Post by: MrFlibble on May 25, 2017, 06:56:07 PM
Casca's healing is taking shorter than expected, people who hark on the series at the moment complain about the plot being too slow, but in a volume's worth of content we've already gone from Elfhelm, to the Flower Storm Queen to Casca's healing.  However I wouldn't mind delving into Casca's memories further, the sheer variety of nightmare creatures and otherworldly environments on display leaves we wanting more.

I was expecting the inevitable sex scene to be extremely awkward for Farnese and Schierke to watch, and I laughed my ass off when Farnese cover Schierke's eyes, and of course they've been companionzoned by this revelation :farnese: :schierke:. It warmed my heart when the Casca sprite said she wanted to meet "that person  :beast:" again. As I already said the memories of Griffith's downfall are sure to make an appearance at the hellish peak, but I wonder what kind of creatures Schierke and Farnese will have to face to obtain these memories, and how they expect to fight these powerful creatures if their most powerful talismans ( giant golem, flame wheel, potentially swamp Cthulu) don't work on them.

The worst memory of them all is sure to take a toll on both Farnese and Schierke, It'll be a grueling task re living the trauma Casca experienced at the eclipse, and the task at hand has been relatively easy so far, it will be intersting how the stakes will be raised in the next episode. It would be an apt time for a God Hand member to appear, since we know they can enter dreams and cast impressions onto different world planes, however this is just wishful thinking on my part.

I'm not a fan of Miura's current art style, however the  Golden Age scenes taken from different angles are stunning, I especially love ball scene, and the ominous silhouette of Guts outside.

Title: Re: Episode 350
Post by: Aazealh on May 25, 2017, 09:01:03 PM
As I already said the memories of Griffith's downfall are sure to make an appearance at the hellish peak

Well yeah, it's only logical that the events leading up to the Eclipse would be featured as they reach the mountain symbolizing the Eclipse... That being said, there's no certainty regarding what will be shown. Miura could very well decide to skip the smaller stuff, especially since it doesn't speak as much to Farnese and Schierke (as opposed to Casca's love story with Guts).

swamp Cthulu

The Lord of Rotting Roots.

It would be an apt time for a God Hand member to appear, since we know they can enter dreams and cast impressions onto different world planes, however this is just wishful thinking on my part.

I really don't think it would make any sense for the real Femto to appear. His presence will already be overwhelming through Casca's memories and whatever adversarial manifestations her mind comes up with.
The only member of the God Hand for whom it would be coherent to show up is Ubik. But even then I don't think it'd be proper, given the context. It would detract from the hard enough task of fixing Casca's mind, and would alter how we perceive the nature of her trauma.
Title: Re: Episode 350
Post by: jackson_hurley on May 25, 2017, 09:40:33 PM
Do you think that Farnese and Schierke can really get hurt a lot when they'll get around the eclipse and stuff (mentally speaking) or Danan would intervine somehow?

I'm scare of the upcoming episodes just because of that possibility.
Title: Re: Episode 350
Post by: N7Paladin on May 26, 2017, 01:58:23 AM
Great episode, the pacing was a lot quicker than I expected, but that's not a complaint. I'm even more hyped for what's to come.

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Do you think that Farnese and Schierke can really get hurt a lot when they'll get around the eclipse and stuff (mentally speaking) or Danan would intervine somehow?

I'm not sure if this is an unpopular opinion or not... but right now I am kind of opposed to Danan directly intervening. I think I would rather see Schierke and Farnese achieve their goal without direct help from her. It's also possible that I'm completely misunderstanding exactly what's going on in Casca's dream.  :ganishka:
Title: Re: Episode 350
Post by: buttonmasher on May 26, 2017, 03:16:02 AM
I wrote a quick post a few eps ago, when we first saw the island, stating it all felt a bit underwhelming after such a long wait.  What I've seen of 350 has me genuinely excited.  It feels like we are on the threshold and it is just so exciting.  These glimpses into the past are so wonderful and they renew the pain of Casca's tragedy.  Despite the insane amount of worldbuilding and character development over the years, in the back of my head I'm always thinking let's get Casca fixed already!  Miura has done a masterful job of laying the groundwork for the endgame of this saga and we are about to witness the joining of all the threads.  This is going to propel the story forward with so much momentum that I think it will literally usher in a new era of Berserk.  Thank you for the translation and all the great work that goes on at this site.  As always, I appreciate all of you very much!
Title: Re: Episode 350
Post by: Griffith on May 26, 2017, 04:06:48 AM
Do you think that Farnese and Schierke can really get hurt a lot when they'll get around the eclipse and stuff (mentally speaking) or Danan would intervine somehow?

I'm scare of the upcoming episodes just because of that possibility.

What if...instead of Casca being cured, all their minds become shattered instead!  :???: :farnese: :schierke:

Yeah, probably not, I think they'll be ok whether Danan intervenes or not, but they'll certainly be changed, their relationship to Casca, Guts, and especially Griffith, will be very different, and they'll have a powerful frame of reference to emphasize with Guts and Casca and understand whatever they decide to do going forward.

I wrote a quick post a few eps ago, when we first saw the island, stating it all felt a bit underwhelming after such a long wait.  What I've seen of 350 has me genuinely excited.  It feels like we are on the threshold and it is just so exciting.  These glimpses into the past are so wonderful and they renew the pain of Casca's tragedy.  Despite the insane amount of worldbuilding and character development over the years, in the back of my head I'm always thinking let's get Casca fixed already!  Miura has done a masterful job of laying the groundwork for the endgame of this saga and we are about to witness the joining of all the threads.  This is going to propel the story forward with so much momentum that I think it will literally usher in a new era of Berserk.  Thank you for the translation and all the great work that goes on at this site.  As always, I appreciate all of you very much!

Nicely said, and I think it's a fair to point out that after all this time there was almost no way Elfhelm itself, though it's appropriately fantastical and fun too, could live up to our anticipation, but that's because it was merely a destination for the journey, and the real end of that journey, the payoff we've been anticipating for much longer, 25 volumes, is what were seeing now.

It's interesting, when Puck first proposed going to Elfhelm over 15 volumes ago, it was just to find a safe place since Godot's mine was destroyed, it wasn't suggested Casca could actually be cured there until much later, and so became about that. I wonder if Miura always intended it that way but wanted to reveal it in due time, or if, as the story progressed and expanded (say, for example, if he intended Elfhelm to be an earlier stop and stepping stone), he realized that the journey for a safe haven and Casca's recovery should be one and the same.
Title: Re: Episode 350
Post by: ApostleBob on May 26, 2017, 04:28:50 AM
I'm kind of loving the pacing right now. I feel like between the last couple episodes we're getting the right amount of exposition and time to relish moments, but we don't linger too long on things as it goes. No need for a big fight with the Wheel flame, or Golem, we all get it. We don't need an elaborate memory for everything that holds her together, just the highlight reel along with an interesting journey. It really is interesting that the two who go to rescue Guts love also have a crush on him.

Very interesting and distinct creatures. I almost expected the bat-cape creatures to be consistant throughout. This is much more fun. I agree with Aazealh, the climax will take a couple episodes. It should, to deal with the trauma that has led up to this point. I can't think of another series that has such a main character out of the action for so long. Miura has really earned this as a serious matter that doesn't get a hand waived cure. I wouldn't be surprised if we don't have some more significant difficulty involved. Honestly in some ways it's been interesting but fairly strait forward so far. It has me expecting something more than merely a revisit to the Eclipse. I like the idea that the memory is what breaks her, and has to be discarded. It could really set up some differing motives. Shame or guilt for having deified Griffith and therefore being responsible for her men's demise could be interesting as well, but much less likely.

The interesting thing is that we've never truly spelled out how and when her mind broke. Could it have been something beyond the betrayal and rape? She was a strong woman, and I don't buy that she just collapsed at the experience and retreated internally. It's strait forward, but not realistic if it's just the experience. It would have been messed up beyond words and I totally understand life changing mental trauma, but Casca's condition is kinda beyond that. She's a walking potato. I'm thinking it's specifically tied to her being branded when Femto raped her. Something akin to a curse that they have to lift. I don't know maybe I'm speculating too much, it just feels like the reveal will be more than something we've seen before.

Anyhow, we're closing a major chapter in Berserk lore once this all happens. The series will have a more specific direction once we know the result of all of this and what SK's prophesy was all about. I really hope Miura continues beyond the Anime season's run.
Title: Re: Episode 350
Post by: buttonmasher on May 26, 2017, 04:54:23 AM
It's interesting, when Puck first proposed going to Elfhelm over 15 volumes ago, it was just to find a safe place since Godot's mine was destroyed, it wasn't suggested Casca could actually be cured there until much later, and so became about that. I wonder if Miura always intended it that way but wanted to reveal it in due time, or if, as the story progressed and expanded (say, for example, if he intended Elfhelm to be an earlier stop and stepping stone), he realized that the journey for a safe haven and Casca's recovery should be one and the same.

That's a really great fact that I had completely forgotten.  Not too long ago you guys posted an interview where Miura was talking more of the nuts and bolts of how Berserk gets made.  I had always thought that Miura had this elaborate step-by-step plan for how the story would progress but it seems he is a bit more fluid than I ever would have imagined.  By being so consistent in his excellence he gives himself plenty of wiggle room to work the story into any changes of heart he might encounter.  I honestly don't believe he intended for the distance between trauma and cure to be so lengthy but he discovered how his story needs to unfold.  I feel it shows a lot of courage to take one of your main characters out of the mix for so long because it serves the story rather than the expectations of the fans. 

Seriously, the name of the damn manga is Berserk and given the choice would you rather Guts discover that armor or find a cure for Casca?  I can't help but feel like we are witnessing the event that draws every Berserk fan back into the fold.  I remember all the negativity about the voyage across the sea and the term filler being thrown around with reckless abandon.  I'm not trying to go down a rabbit hole but it is just so crazy that our patience is about to be rewarded handsomely. 
Title: Re: Episode 350
Post by: Uriel on May 26, 2017, 08:15:31 AM
Four damned Seven-Elevens later, I found Young Animal. It was nice having the insert that covers the most recent episode of the anime - good for comparison.

Episode 350 moved things along nicely. Seeing that "6/23" at the end of the episode was nice. Highlights include the first-person memories, the Schierke eye-coverings and the adorable mini-Casca saying that she wants to see that person... I feel like it's Griffith, but I'm thinking Guts. Either way, my heart strings were well and truly pulled.
Title: Re: Episode 350
Post by: K. on May 26, 2017, 09:47:45 AM
Man, these are exciting times. I also feel that the person the Casca-sprite wants to see is Griffith. It seems that the fragments of Casca also signify parts of her memories, and the part that's missing (the brand) indicates that mini-Casca is not aware of what Griffith would become. So it's possible that this is still a representation of Casca that worshipped Griffith, making it all the worse when they actually find that piece.
Title: Re: Episode 350
Post by: Aazealh on May 26, 2017, 09:50:41 AM
Do you think that Farnese and Schierke can really get hurt a lot when they'll get around the eclipse and stuff (mentally speaking) or Danan would intervine somehow?

There's probably a measure of real danger, and the experience will likely take a toll on them, at least emotionally. We'll see.

I am kind of opposed to Danan directly intervening. I think I would rather see Schierke and Farnese achieve their goal without direct help from her. It's also possible that I'm completely misunderstanding exactly what's going on in Casca's dream.  :ganishka:

Danan's doing quite a lot already. She's the one that allowed them to penetrate Casca's mind, and she's the one guiding them through it, towards the fragments and their ultimate goal. They couldn't have done anything if it weren't for her.

Nicely said, and I think it's a fair to point out that after all this time there was almost no way Elfhelm itself, though it's appropriately fantastical and fun too, could live up to our anticipation, but that's because it was merely a destination for the journey, and the real end of that journey, the payoff we've been anticipating for much longer, 25 volumes, is what were seeing now.

I don't know, personally I found that Elfhelm squarely met my expectations. The island's just an island, sure (duh), but the giant cherry tree, the overwhelming diversity of elves and their crazy whimsical behavior is a perfect fit for what I imagined. I also think Danan is brilliant as the Sovereign of the Flower Storm, and the Great Gurus haven't disappointed either so far. Hell, even the young witches are cool, and I thought the introductory fight was pretty badass. Frankly I don't think there's anything more I would have wanted except I guess more two page spreads of the scenery? But that pretty much goes for every single episode ever.

It's interesting, when Puck first proposed going to Elfhelm over 15 volumes ago, it was just to find a safe place since Godot's mine was destroyed, it wasn't suggested Casca could actually be cured there until much later, and so became about that. I wonder if Miura always intended it that way but wanted to reveal it in due time, or if, as the story progressed and expanded (say, for example, if he intended Elfhelm to be an earlier stop and stepping stone), he realized that the journey for a safe haven and Casca's recovery should be one and the same.

This is something I've often thought about in the past. What I'll say is that for as long as I've read Berserk, I've been convinced Guts would not simply drop her off and be on his way. It just felt inevitable that she would be cured. So to me the Skull Knight's words in volume 28 were only a confirmation in a sense (though I was still overjoyed to read it).

I honestly don't believe he intended for the distance between trauma and cure to be so lengthy but he discovered how his story needs to unfold.  I feel it shows a lot of courage to take one of your main characters out of the mix for so long because it serves the story rather than the expectations of the fans.

Yeah, one thing that's clear is he's not afraid of taking the time he needs to tell the story as he feels it should be. The biggest example of this is the Golden Age arc, which is probably one of the longest flashbacks ever told in a work of fiction.

I remember all the negativity about the voyage across the sea and the term filler being thrown around with reckless abandon.  I'm not trying to go down a rabbit hole but it is just so crazy that our patience is about to be rewarded handsomely.

For the record, there was no negativity on this forum. It's important to understand that the people who complained about the sea journey were morons. Morons have complained about the series for as long as it has existed. They complained about volume 24 and the expansion of magic in the series. They complained about the Berserk's armor. They endlessly complained about Vritannis and the Kushans' invasion, ceaselessly asking "when will they get on the damn boat!". And predictably, when the party embarked on the Sea Horse towards Elfhelm, those same idiots immediately complained about how the trip took too long. Which is not true, by the way, it didn't take too long. The voyage was pretty fucking cool all things considered, and the bulk of it was actually spent on land, investigating the Sea God's island. Ten years from now you'll find people telling you that's their favorite part of the series. Anyway, the morons also complained about Fantasia and Falconia, and now they're no doubt complaining about Elfhelm.

What you should understand is that those who couldn't enjoy the journey will also not enjoy the destination. They're the same people who just wanted Guts to leave Casca somewhere and for his companions to die. They're those who said he would use the beherit to become an apostle so he could better fight Zodd. They're those who thought Casca would join Griffith so that Guts would be extra-betrayed and extra-angry. What we all feel so strongly about, the imminent return of a beloved character, probably just bores them. They don't see why it's so important, nor how strongly it will impact the story. They surely have stupid expectations for it that will, as per usual, not be met. And cause more complaining.

In short, they're the ones who don't get it. They never did and they never will. So feel free to enjoy this moment, but do not bother trying to relate it to those complaints or to rationalize them. You'll just be disappointed.

I feel like it's Griffith, but I'm thinking Guts.
I also feel that the person the Casca-sprite wants to see is Griffith. It seems that the fragments of Casca also signify parts of her memories, and the part that's missing (the brand) indicates that mini-Casca is not aware of what Griffith would become.

Are we reading the same manga? I'm baffled. Do the memories shown to us so far indicate that Griffith is more central to Casca's mind than Guts? [Hint: it does not.] Even Farnese and Schierke, who have been experiencing her feelings, both conclude that the Sprite surely means Guts. What more do you guys want?
Title: Re: Episode 350
Post by: K. on May 26, 2017, 11:23:12 AM
Although I don't post much, I've been lurking here long enough to know that Aazealh tends to be right, so yeah :serpico:. Anyway, I should just explain that I didn't think that Griffith is more important to Casca's mind than Guts, just that at one point he was, and considering the missing piece, the Casca's sprite could be at that point. In retrospect, it probably wasn't the greatest idea.
Title: Re: Episode 350
Post by: Salem on May 26, 2017, 11:56:32 AM
Has anyone brought up the condition of this last sprite or any of them?   I believe this last one will be very weak or even try to get away from the crew.  Especially where we're headed. 
Title: Re: Episode 350
Post by: Aazealh on May 26, 2017, 12:01:39 PM
Anyway, I should just explain that I didn't think that Griffith is more important to Casca's mind than Guts, just that at one point he was, and considering the missing piece, the Casca's sprite could be at that point. In retrospect, it probably wasn't the greatest idea.

I get where you're coming from, but it just feels like an odd conclusion to reach given the context. Both this episode and the previous one feature memories that put Guts front and center, and in this one specifically we see Farnese reflect on Casca's relationships with both Guts and Griffith. Even though the Eclipse-related fragments haven't been recovered yet, at that point Casca was very much in love with Guts. Miura basically walks the reader through how that love was formed and how strong it is, and the episode ends with Farnese telling the Sprite that the one she wants to meet also wants to meet her. Seems pretty clear-cut.

Has anyone brought up the condition of this last sprite or any of them?   I believe this last one will be very weak or even try to get away from the crew.  Especially where we're headed.

There's only one sprite actually, what they find each time are fragments of the broken doll (one fragment for one memory). But it's the same sprite that they first found, only it has evolved as they fixed up the doll. It represents Casca's current ego.
Title: Re: Episode 350
Post by: Salem on May 26, 2017, 01:03:00 PM
I must have confused the sprite moving frantically with multiples for each memory, or parts of her ego.
Title: Re: Episode 350
Post by: Aazealh on May 26, 2017, 02:10:37 PM
I must have confused the sprite moving frantically with multiples for each memory, or parts of her ego.

Ah yeah, indeed, it's a decomposed animation.
Title: Re: Episode 350
Post by: Griffith on May 26, 2017, 02:17:39 PM
I don't know, personally I found that Elfhelm squarely met my expectations. The island's just an island, sure (duh), but the giant cherry tree, the overwhelming diversity of elves and their crazy whimsical behavior is a perfect fit for what I imagined. I also think Danan is brilliant as the Sovereign of the Flower Storm, and the Great Gurus haven't disappointed either so far. Hell, even the young witches are cool, and I thought the introductory fight was pretty badass.

Indeed, I should clarify that the point I took away from buttonmasher's post was that despite all you just said there wasn't a way for a new location and characters alone, even among non-morons =), to live up to over a decade worth of storytelling capital and anticipation in and of themselves without another major payoff like this (the biggest one left besides the end), which is why I think Miura wasted no time really. I think it goes hand in hand by design, and whatever else happens here Elfhelm will ultimately be "the place we got Casca back," and what could be better than that?

This is something I've often thought about in the past. What I'll say is that for as long as I've read Berserk, I've been convinced Guts would not simply drop her off and be on his way. It just felt inevitable that she would be cured. So to me the Skull Knight's words in volume 28 were only a confirmation in a sense (though I was still overjoyed to read it).

Yeah, if I recall Puck brought it up, like if he was just going to leave her again or stick with her (and ultimately, from a plot standpoint, what else could that entail if not a cure). It would be cool to know more about Miura's process, because the story is so big, complex, yet detailed and nuanced there's really so many different directions he could go. Like, I'm sure he has a general outline of major events to come in his head, but I'm most curious about what happens once he starts filling in the blanks between points A, B, and C and starts embellishing with all sorts of cool little details and new ideas he springboards off of into directions perhaps even he didn't expect but realized he wanted/needed to do to make the story better and as good as he wants it to be. I think what the constant or casual complainers don't realize is that Miura is weaving a much more difficult yarn than just Guts going around bashing stuff until he gets to Griffith, and that even they wouldn't care so much about the bashing without those things, which are what gives the story, even the mayhem, its depth rather than distracting or detracting from it.

Yeah, one thing that's clear is he's not afraid of taking the time he needs to tell the story as he feels it should be. The biggest example of this is the Golden Age arc, which is probably one of the longest flashbacks ever told in a work of fiction.

Yep, the prime example, the most famous part of and heart of the series is basically a giant diversion that literally became the series. That's probably still the most popular part of the story and makes you care about everything else. I think it's fair to say Berserk as we know and love it really began in earnest with the Golden Age arc, and that's no slight against BS, which is very cool, all good, and sets everything up nicely, but imagine if instead of the Golden Age flashback the Black Swordsman had just gone on slaying more Snake monsters until he reached the evil bird guy (like some basically keep advocating for). I don't think I'd still be following. =)

For the record, there was no negativity on this forum. It's important to understand that the people who complained about the sea journey were morons.

Well, no negativity for the story, but definitely for morons. :ganishka:
Title: Re: Episode 350
Post by: Aazealh on May 26, 2017, 03:35:41 PM
whatever else happens here Elfhelm will ultimately be "the place we got Casca back," and what could be better than that?

Indeed.

It would be cool to know more about Miura's process, because the story is so big, complex, yet detailed and nuanced there's really so many different directions he could go.

I'm sure a lot of professional writers would like to as well. :void:

I think what the constant or casual complainers don't realize is that Miura is weaving a much more difficult yarn than just Guts going around bashing stuff until he gets to Griffith, and that even they wouldn't care so much about the bashing without those things, which are what gives the story, even the mayhem, its depth rather than distracting or detracting from it.

Call me cynical but at this point (after dealing with it for 15 years basically) I don't think these people are really capable of appreciating the story.

imagine if instead of the Golden Age flashback the Black Swordsman had just gone on slaying more Snake monsters until he reached the evil bird guy (like some basically keep advocating for). I don't think I'd still be following. =)

More importantly, the story would have been over 20 years ago!

Well, no negativity for the story, but definitely for morons. :ganishka:

:iva:
Title: Re: Episode 350
Post by: Menosgade on May 26, 2017, 04:35:36 PM
I think what the constant or casual complainers don't realize is that Miura is weaving a much more difficult yarn than just Guts going around bashing stuff until he gets to Griffith, and that even they wouldn't care so much about the bashing without those things, which are what gives the story, even the mayhem, its depth rather than distracting or detracting from it.

Well, no negativity for the story, but definitely for morons. :ganishka:

These morons are bound to appear and annoy Berserk fans. Specially now with probably the lowest quality adaptation we could get, many new audiences are drawn in by something that doesn't really convey Berserk. They're shown a lie almost. I feel SK net as a safe heaven for me. Berserk groups of my native language are mostly reposting / shitposting / rape jokes / waifu shipping / shit-tier theories, all augmented by an audience that doesn't really care for grammar or punctuation. This includes people that want rather have Casca dead in the story, that believe she enjoyed being raped, that would have Guts "Rage mode" for the rest of the story (there really wouldn't be any story - there's reasons Miura didn't show us entire 2 years of Apostle hunting during Black Swordsman).

Anyway, regarding the actual story, I ask myself if SK could appear after Casca's ritual unfolds. He has his ways of climbing steep rocks, huge towers, flying his horse and appearing when least expected.
Title: Re: Episode 350
Post by: Aazealh on May 26, 2017, 04:37:59 PM
Anyway, regarding the actual story, I ask myself if SK could appear after Casca's ritual unfolds. He has his ways of climbing steep rocks, huge towers, flying his horse and appearing when least expected.

I do expect him to visit at some point.
Title: Re: Episode 350
Post by: jackson_hurley on May 26, 2017, 05:27:30 PM
I do expect him to visit at some point.

I Wonder if he comes to visit like you think it's gonna happen, if he's the one who's gonna be the incentive to make them leave or if some major event will arrive around the same time. It could be a classic cryptic warning or something of the likes. I'm not that good at speculating. Just a random thought about it.

What's your take on it? (if you have one of course)

Could it be possible or do you feel it more in a visit only appearance?
Title: Re: Episode 350
Post by: Menosgade on May 26, 2017, 05:49:38 PM
I Wonder if he comes to visit like you think it's gonna happen, if he's the one who's gonna be the incentive to make them leave or if some major event will arrive around the same time. It could be a classic cryptic warning or something of the likes. I'm not that good at speculating. Just a random thought about it.

What's your take on it? (if you have one of course)

Could it be possible or do you feel it more in a visit only appearance?

He definitely would only appear for a reason. Plot-wise there's no reason for him to just visit, have a talk with Guts, talk to the Elf Queen and see if Casca's OK, specially considering there's so much in the world going on. It also doesn't fit the character. I believe it'd most likely be related to their trip back to mainland, or even a possible danger going towards the island, if we stretch speculating a bit.
Title: Re: Episode 350
Post by: Walter on May 26, 2017, 06:13:57 PM
He definitely would only appear for a reason. Plot-wise there's no reason for him to just visit, have a talk with Guts, talk to the Elf Queen and see if Casca's OK, specially considering there's so much in the world going on. It also doesn't fit the character. I believe it'd most likely be related to their trip back to mainland, or even a possible danger going towards the island, if we stretch speculating a bit.

SK has nothing to say right now? I mean sure his former capital city has reappeared, his failed attack on Femto helped usher in a new world, Guts' lover is back ... but yeah, ... what's to say, really? Would be pointless.
Title: Re: Episode 350
Post by: Menosgade on May 26, 2017, 06:30:11 PM
SK has nothing to say right now? I mean sure his former capital city has reappeared, his failed attack on Femto helped usher in a new world, Guts' lover is back ... but yeah, ... what's to say, really? Would be pointless.

I don't think you fully understood the context of my comment. Jackson_hurley made a difference between SK appearing for a relevant, such as giving a message, purpose or for "visiting". "visit only appearance" as he said. My point is that it'd actually involve things you've mentioned, not simply visiting, as I did point out there's plenty of important stuff happening and didnt actually imply he "has nothing to say".
Title: Re: Episode 350
Post by: Walter on May 26, 2017, 06:35:03 PM
I don't think you fully understood the context of my comment. Jackson_hurley made a difference between SK appearing for a relevant, such as giving a message, purpose or for "visiting". "visit only appearance" as he said. My point is that it'd actually involve things you've mentioned, not simply visiting, as I did point out there's plenty of important stuff happening and didnt actually imply he "has nothing to say".

Then I apologize for misunderstanding, but you ended your post implying that the only things of significance to discuss would be: "related to their trip back to mainland, or even a possible danger going towards the island." When in truth, there's quite a bit for he and Guts to catch up on.

But as you did allude to, SK's appearances are rarely to discuss past events. Usually he foretells events imminent in the short or long-term. But given the special scenario of all that has transpired since they last spoke -- AND their presence in Elfhelm -- there's truly an abundance of topics on the table. Not that I expect to get SK's thoughts on everything, but the sheer volume of things to review has reached critical mass.
Title: Re: Episode 350
Post by: jackson_hurley on May 26, 2017, 06:39:31 PM
And my question was more about if he'd be the one to bring some kind of news to make them leave (other than the time factor) or if an event would happen while he was there (if he gets there at all, which I also think is likely to happen).

I don't think he'd just pop up and say hi for this only reason.
Title: Re: Episode 350
Post by: Menosgade on May 26, 2017, 07:00:20 PM
Then I apologize for misunderstanding

So do I, as I myself misunderstood Jackson.

But as you did allude to, SK's appearances are rarely to discuss past events. Usually he foretells events imminent in the short or long-term. But given the special scenario of all that has transpired since they last spoke -- AND their presence in Elfhelm -- there's truly an abundance of topics on the table. Not that I expect to get SK's thoughts on everything, but the sheer volume of things to review has reached critical mass.

That's true, all things considered it seems a pretty good choice for him to make a visit to Elfhelm. There's plenty of information the party needs to be updated about. We could also possibly get a better understanding of SK's story -- if it's envolved with the elves and the Elf Queen -- and how he has become what he is? Would be the perfect moment.  :badbone: :carcus:
Title: Re: Episode 350
Post by: Walter on May 26, 2017, 07:16:05 PM
That's true, all things considered it seems a pretty good choice for him to make a visit to Elfhelm. There's plenty of information the party needs to be updated about. We could also possibly get a better understanding of SK's story -- if it's envolved with the elves and the Elf Queen -- and how he has become what he is? Would be the perfect moment.  :badbone: :carcus:

Yup, precisely what I was alluding to. The re-emergence of his former capital city and Guts meeting with the Elf Queen, likely one of his allies, and the being who [may have] helped transform his existence to what he is now. The pieces are in place for a real doozie of a story, if Miura thinks the time is ripe.
Title: Re: Episode 350
Post by: Griffith on May 27, 2017, 04:05:07 AM
Call me cynical but at this point (after dealing with it for 15 years basically) I don't think these people are really capable of appreciating the story.

Not conciously, yet despite their protests they care for some reason. *shrug*

More importantly, the story would have been over 20 years ago!

Maybe that's the point! :ganishka: I appreciate the impatience though because they wont be complaining for too long. But yeah, if they had their way it would have been over long ago, and nobody would much care, because it would have been a dumbed down story with simplistic sensibilities and no resonance, but imagine how many more monsters Miura could draw cover to cover if he didn't waste time on Farnese!

I'm actually getting worried it'll be over too soon now that we know Miura isn't bluffing with this Casca thing. Guts has berserk armor, Griffith has his kingdom, Casca's getting her mind back... there's not a lot left on the major to-do list but to tie it all up the loose ends and put those three (or more depending on how you count Griff =) in the same room together.

We could also possibly get a better understanding of SK's story -- if it's envolved with the elves and the Elf Queen -- and how he has become what he is? Would be the perfect moment.  :badbone: :carcus:
The pieces are in place for a real doozie of a story, if Miura thinks the time is ripe.

Too bad Skully won't have time to talk when Griffith's army lays siege to the island and he and Guts have to tag-team Zodd and Grunbeld (a rematch just in time for the tie-in novel!! =). Anyway, you guys really think we're getting Casca back AND Skully's origin consecutively? Ambitious expectations, though it is a question mark we've had penciled on our Elfhelm calendars for years. I'm hopeful but not holding my breath; Skully makes Guts look downright chatty about himself and would kind of be stepping on Casca's big moment unless we've got quite a lot more time to spend in Elfhelm once the current mission is accomplished.
 
:SK: "Now that the branded girl is present, I can tell you how this all bega..."

:guts: "Hey, Old Man, shut up for once; we're trying to reconnect here!" *she wants what I want you killjoy*
:???:
Title: Re: Episode 350
Post by: Aazealh on May 27, 2017, 08:45:47 AM
I'm actually getting worried it'll be over too soon now that we know Miura isn't bluffing with this Casca thing. Guts has berserk armor, Griffith has his kingdom, Casca's getting her mind back... there's not a lot left on the major to-do list but to tie it all up the loose ends and put those three (or more depending on how you count Griff =) in the same room together.

Yep. I've been saying so for years: getting to Elfhelm and finally having Casca regain her mind is the biggest turning point of the series. We're reaching the mountain's summit and preparing for a frenetic descent towards the end of the story. Up until now, Miura has mostly been opening new "threads", by which I mean he has been expanding the story with new elements. Some threads were tied, but not too many. But soon we will switch gears and he will start closing the story down and tying all those threads. Some new elements may still be introduced, but comparatively less, and with a shorter lifespan. Meanwhile we will be getting closure for more and more things. Major apostles will die, major mysteries will be revealed, major developments will take place... All focusing towards a single point: the ending.

For the long-time fan, this moment should actually be bittersweet. It is the end of an era of endless possibilities where it felt like Berserk could go in any direction, seemingly forever. And while it won't be happening too quickly, given the current publishing schedule, it might be faster than we expect. Whether Miura will take the time to show us the intricacies of Fantasia and to have the group undergo a bunch of adventures on the way to Falconia is strictly up to him. It could take twenty volumes for the group to reach Griffith, or ten volumes, or five. Because we're at such a crucial point in the story, there's just no way to know.
Title: Re: Episode 350
Post by: The Beast of Darkness on May 27, 2017, 09:24:46 AM
Yep. I've been saying so for years: getting to Elfhelm and finally having Casca regain her mind is the biggest turning point of the series. We're reaching the mountain's summit and preparing for a frenetic descent towards the end of the story. Up until now, Miura has mostly been opening new "threads", by which I mean he has been expanding the story with new elements. Some threads were tied, but not too many. But soon we will switch gears and he will start closing the story down and tying all those threads. Some new elements may still be introduced, but comparatively less, and with a shorter lifespan. Meanwhile we will be getting closure for more and more things. Major apostles will die, major mysteries will be revealed, major developments will take place... All focusing towards a single point: the ending.

For the long-time fan, this moment should actually be bittersweet.

I'll take what you quoted earlier this month.

Quote from: Miura
"Lord Marksman and Vanadis" and "The Ambition of Oda Nobuna". I've enjoyed reading them bit by bit during my meals. Now I've reached the final volume of the light novels. Such an empty feeling. (´д`)

That sum up very well how we will feel when it will ends.

Title: Re: Episode 350
Post by: JMP on May 27, 2017, 07:02:12 PM
I finally had the time/energy to really sit down and give this episode the attention it so richly deserves. Thanks so much for providing the translation, puella and Aazealh! I really like how Miura is handling Casca’s restoration, bringing her and her history back to the forefront in a very vivid and cool way. I love that we’re able to know more specifically how Casca was feeling in some of those past moments, too.

I think that Farnese experiencing Casca’s memories like this is a great way to bring her to acceptance with Guts and Casca’s relationship. She witnesses their history together unfold and even feels Casca’s emotions. It was encouraging to me when at the end of the episode Farnese seems willing for the restored Casca and Guts to be together again. I really think she has a lot of love for Casca going into this and even more now that she knows her so much better. I truly think she wants what’s best for Casca, even though that means Farnese has to give up her own romantic ambitions about Guts. Don’t worry, Farnese! Roderick will be there for you! :ganishka: It warms my heart to see how far Farnese has come; from such a broken and abusive person who would burn a pet to death for perceived lack of sufficient affection towards her, to this.

I like the Guts dog a lot! I like his reactions to things, like the moment on the page before the last one where Schierke is encouraging them to be strong moving forward and he seems to be saying “Yes” with determination along with Farnese. It’s interesting how the Casca sprite fights the dog for a bit this time before running away near the beginning of the episode. I wonder if this could mean that while she is still afraid of it, she is at least a little less afraid/intimidated by it. Seems like it might be a good thing. And then of course her speaking and saying she wants to meet Guts was huge! I loved this episode.
Title: Re: Episode 350
Post by: MrFlibble on May 27, 2017, 11:07:13 PM
Not conciously, yet despite their protests they care for some reason. *shrug*

I'm actually getting worried it'll be over too soon now that we know Miura isn't bluffing with this Casca thing. Guts has berserk armor, Griffith has his kingdom, Casca's getting her mind back... there's not a lot left on the major to-do list but to tie it all up the loose ends and put those three (or more depending on how you count Griff =) in the same room together.

Like you said , there are still a ton of plot threads yet to be resolved.

-The God Hands goal, or their wherabouts
-The role "God" plays in the Berserk universe
- Griffith's coronation and overall goal
- :SK: origin and the God Hand's history
- Guts' beherit
- The moonlight boy
- Rickert/Daiba/Bakiraka shenanigans
- The role the time disparity will play in the overall story
- Guts and the beast of darkness
- the individual arcs of each supporting character
- Theresa's final battle with Guts

Miura has plenty on his plate to keep him slaving for a few more decades.
Title: Re: Episode 350
Post by: Sareth on May 27, 2017, 11:34:05 PM
I still think Guts and Casca won't be a couple again.. Small Casca saying she wants to see someone without specifying who and the girls assuming she means Guts tells me that it won't be him (also because she fears doggo Guts). The possibly of Casca regaining her sanity was immediately followed by foreshadowing of a conflict of interest between her and Guts. I think he was preparing Guts for rejection.

I feel like such a pessimistic jerk lol.
Title: Re: Episode 350
Post by: Griffith on May 28, 2017, 01:15:39 AM
Like you said , there are still a ton of plot threads yet to be resolved.

-The God Hands goal, or their wherabouts
-The role "God" plays in the Berserk universe
- Griffith's coronation and overall goal
- :SK: origin and the God Hand's history
- Guts' beherit
- The moonlight boy
- Rickert/Daiba/Bakiraka shenanigans
- The role the time disparity will play in the overall story
- Guts and the beast of darkness
- the individual arcs of each supporting character
- Theresa's final battle with Guts

Miura has plenty on his plate to keep him slaving for a few more decades.

Well, I don't think it'll be over quick either, but at this rate a lot of that stuff can happen quickly in the course of the final act rather than requiring entire story chapters or arcs dedicated to them. To put it another way, the eleven revelations you list  could be covered in eleven episodes, or less considering how many cross over. I almost feel like travel, set up, and other logistics would take up most of the time.

I still think Guts and Casca won't be a couple again.. Small Casca saying she wants to see someone without specifying who and the girls assuming she means Guts tells me that it won't be him (also because she fears doggo Guts).

I feel guilty for even humoring this notion at first because I think in the context of the full episode and translation it's unequivocally Guts. The trip down memory lane is fixated on Guts and doesn't suggest the child, and remember that Guts Dog is still Casca's protector in her own mind, not an external visitor or interloper. Most of all, the characters directly identify him as the one in the context of the dreamscape and memories, and while Miura surprises us all the time, it's not typically through misdirection. What you see is what you get.

The possibly of Casca regaining her sanity was immediately followed by foreshadowing of a conflict of interest between her and Guts. I think he was preparing Guts for rejection.

I feel like such a pessimistic jerk lol.

Now this is a different story, and it's certainly foreboding or Guts wouldn't still be thinking/Miura reminding us about it. I'm hoping it simply means a naturally difficult readjustment period rather than something tragically poignant for the big guy. Fortunately, Casca's memories so far suggest the former, we'll see if memories to come change that, but so far the only acknowledgement of her post-eclipse life is Guts as guard dog.
Title: Re: Episode 350
Post by: Walter on May 28, 2017, 01:21:48 AM
I still think Guts and Casca won't be a couple again.. Small Casca saying she wants to see someone without specifying who and the girls assuming she means Guts tells me that it won't be him (also because she fears doggo Guts). The possibly of Casca regaining her sanity was immediately followed by foreshadowing of a conflict of interest between her and Guts. I think he was preparing Guts for rejection.

I feel like such a pessimistic jerk lol.

Just because the sprite apparently wants to see Guts doesn't mean there won't be conflict between he and Casca on the back end of this restoration process. Since the beginning, the sprite has represented an incomplete aspect of Casca's mind. And in this episode, we saw that the sprite has been growing along with the memories they recover, but the most tragic and damaging of memories is yet to come.
Title: Re: Episode 350
Post by: Death May Die on May 28, 2017, 10:30:39 AM
Like you said , there are still a ton of plot threads yet to be resolved.

-The God Hands goal, or their wherabouts
-The role "God" plays in the Berserk universe
- Griffith's coronation and overall goal
- :SK: origin and the God Hand's history
- Guts' beherit
- The moonlight boy
- Rickert/Daiba/Bakiraka shenanigans
- The role the time disparity will play in the overall story
- Guts and the beast of darkness
- the individual arcs of each supporting character
- Theresa's final battle with Guts

Miura has plenty on his plate to keep him slaving for a few more decades.

Also, there is always new challenges and developments stepping on to the main stage. The whole world has changed since Femto has merged the astral layers. The surmounting developments both positive and negative that the new fantasy world present offers a story told in every town, every city, every street, every meadow. Miura could literally do another manga based in the same world a tell a infinite amount of stories that doesn't involve the main cast.
Title: Re: Episode 350
Post by: Aazealh on May 28, 2017, 11:41:01 AM
Small Casca saying she wants to see someone without specifying who and the girls assuming she means Guts tells me that it won't be him

It's Guts.

Miura could literally do another manga based in the same world a tell a infinite amount of stories that doesn't involve the main cast.

You're missing the point.
Title: Re: Episode 350
Post by: Oburi on May 29, 2017, 04:43:50 AM
Yep. I've been saying so for years: getting to Elfhelm and finally having Casca regain her mind is the biggest turning point of the series. We're reaching the mountain's summit and preparing for a frenetic descent towards the end of the story. Up until now, Miura has mostly been opening new "threads", by which I mean he has been expanding the story with new elements. Some threads were tied, but not too many. But soon we will switch gears and he will start closing the story down and tying all those threads. Some new elements may still be introduced, but comparatively less, and with a shorter lifespan. Meanwhile we will be getting closure for more and more things. Major apostles will die, major mysteries will be revealed, major developments will take place... All focusing towards a single point: the ending.

For the long-time fan, this moment should actually be bittersweet. It is the end of an era of endless possibilities where it felt like Berserk could go in any direction, seemingly forever. And while it won't be happening too quickly, given the current publishing schedule, it might be faster than we expect. Whether Miura will take the time to show us the intricacies of Fantasia and to have the group undergo a bunch of adventures on the way to Falconia is strictly up to him. It could take twenty volumes for the group to reach Griffith, or ten volumes, or five. Because we're at such a crucial point in the story, there's just no way to know.
Well, I don't think it'll be over quick either, but at this rate a lot of that stuff can happen quickly in the course of the final act rather than requiring entire story chapters or arcs dedicated to them. To put it another way, the eleven revelations you list  could be covered in eleven episodes, or less considering how many cross over. I almost feel like travel, set up, and other logistics would take up most of the time.

I certainly feel that bittersweet feeling about the recent events after arriving on the island. When the ball gets rolling in Berserk, it really gets rolling.  I'll always remember at the climax of the Millennium Falcon Arc when Ganishzilla was stomping around, there was a massive battle with the army of apostles and it didn't seem like things could get any crazier. Then we got the preview for the next episode and it was the legendary two page spread of Skullknight with his Beherit sword striking at Femto with Zodd in the background. It blew everyone's mind to the point where we were checking the legitimacy to make sure it wasn't some insane fake. So yea, things can happen fast and events can overlap to the point where we get a lot of information in a very short span of time. The one good thing is that these major events, like at the end of an arc, tend to span several volumes themselves just due to the amount of detail. The eclipse, or the entire final confrontation between Griffiths forces and Ganishka's are drawn out in excruciating detail (excruciating for the artists, I'd imagine, a treat for us). So I guess no matter which way you look at it, I'd say we still have plenty more years and many more volumes of Berserk to look forward too. It's just that it could be covering shorter periods of time as the events get bigger and more important.
Title: Re: Episode 350
Post by: Calvinos on May 29, 2017, 06:27:52 AM
Amazing episode. I guess climbing the mountain of corpses will be a pretty hard experience to live for the two girls... Before the final dawn  :femto:
Title: Re: Episode 350
Post by: Aazealh on May 30, 2017, 09:36:27 AM
Miura's comment for this episode: "The elves in this volume should be seen with a loupe. " (a magnifying glass)
Title: Re: Episode 350
Post by: Menosgade on May 30, 2017, 11:16:12 AM
Miura's comment for this episode: "The elves in this volume should be seen with a loupe. " (a magnifying glass)

And this, gentlemen, is how you show self-esteem and confidence.
Title: Re: Episode 350
Post by: Walter on May 30, 2017, 01:20:30 PM
Miura's comment for this episode: "The elves in this volume should be seen with a loupe. " (a magnifying glass)

Heheh, yeah, I hadn't considered it, but Miura traditionally draws on that big ass paper size — then the images get shrunk down a bit for YA, and then again for volumes. Some of those little guys are indeed going to be tough to see.
Title: Re: Episode 350
Post by: Griffith on May 31, 2017, 06:24:45 AM
I'll always remember at the climax of the Millennium Falcon Arc when Ganishzilla was stomping around, there was a massive battle with the army of apostles and it didn't seem like things could get any crazier. Then we got the preview for the next episode and it was the legendary two page spread of Skullknight with his Beherit sword striking at Femto with Zodd in the background. It blew everyone's mind to the point where we were checking the legitimacy to make sure it wasn't some insane fake.

Seeing that out of context was a top ten Berserk fan moment for me. It was like glimpsing the end of the world... and turned out it kinda was! :ganishka:

major events, like at the end of an arc, tend to span several volumes themselves just due to the amount of detail. The eclipse, or the entire final confrontation between Griffiths forces and Ganishka's are drawn out in excruciating detail (excruciating for the artists, I'd imagine, a treat for us). So I guess no matter which way you look at it, I'd say we still have plenty more years and many more volumes of Berserk to look forward too. It's just that it could be covering shorter periods of time as the events get bigger and more important.

It's like when the time to expand ends it's time to contract, but that doesn't mean less content, just more dense focus.
Title: Re: Episode 350
Post by: RaffoBaffo on June 02, 2017, 01:01:18 AM
The Issue of YA Digital is out. (https://www.hakusensha-e.net/top?id=12823)
Title: Re: Episode 350
Post by: Blade on June 02, 2017, 10:59:32 PM
People talking like it's the end already.

I say regardless of the outcome it's gonna be good.

There may even be a Time-skip or 2nd Gen featuring an older Isidro/Schierke, like Hokuto no Ken's second season.
Title: Re: Episode 350
Post by: Amigokw on June 04, 2017, 09:44:34 PM
i was always asking myself when farnese , serpico and Schierke know what guts have been through and what is his background story so they can see how he struggled and survived 
Title: Re: Episode 350
Post by: RaffoBaffo on June 05, 2017, 11:41:47 AM
Posting here 'cause I don't know if it's right to open a Topic just for this:

https://twitter.com/comic_natalie/status/871634777073262596?s=04

A Manga Award for debut Manga, Miura will be present, and will give a "lecture" [powered by Google Translate]

Hoping for a fresh photo.
Title: Re: Episode 350
Post by: Walter on June 06, 2017, 01:53:48 PM
Posting here 'cause I don't know if it's right to open a Topic just for this:

https://twitter.com/comic_natalie/status/871634777073262596?s=04

A Manga Award for debut Manga, Miura will be present, and will give a "lecture" [powered by Google Translate]

Hoping for a fresh photo.

Cool, I hope we get a video or at least a summary of what he conveys.