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Title: Episode 355
Post by: Sareth on March 18, 2018, 10:01:40 PM
Come getcha preorders, y’all.

http://www.cdjapan.co.jp/product/NEOBK-2207650?s_ssid=e458975aaeeecedcb0
Title: Re: Episode 355
Post by: Walter on March 19, 2018, 02:30:00 AM
Come getcha preorders, y’all.

http://www.cdjapan.co.jp/product/NEOBK-2207650?s_ssid=e458975aaeeecedcb0

Thanks! Snagged it. Definitely one of those issues where "just" the official digital edition won't be enough. Honestly haven't been this excited for an individual episode since ... well, I guess 303 after we got teased about SK/Femto — 9 years ago.

Is anyone else going to try to stay spoiler free until the whole thing is out? (join me you fools :ganishka: )
Title: Re: Episode 355
Post by: Sareth on March 19, 2018, 03:10:51 AM
Is anyone else going to try to stay spoiler free until the whole thing is out? (join me you fools :ganishka: )

I’ll tell myself I will and break down 20 minutes later.
Title: Re: Episode 355
Post by: jackson_hurley on March 19, 2018, 10:00:39 AM
Ohh the horror! The pre-orders are sold out already!!  :judo: :judo:

Anyone know if friday there is gonna be more on cdjapan?

Ps: I'm trying my luck with a proxy shopping on cdjapan website. Might be able to get it after all. We'll see.
Title: Re: Episode 355
Post by: Kaladin on March 19, 2018, 02:35:12 PM
Possible leak
Title: Re: Episode 355
Post by: Walter on March 19, 2018, 02:44:11 PM
Welp. The text says it all! She retained her memories.

Rough translation:

"Good to meet you, Farnese, Schierke, Ivalera. It seems Elaine was well taken care of."
Title: Re: Episode 355
Post by: NCHaskew on March 19, 2018, 02:45:49 PM
Ohh the horror! The pre-orders are sold out already!!  :judo: :judo:

Oh no! This would've been my first pre-order  :judo: I suppose it's unsurprising that this'll probably the most-sold issue in a long while.
Title: Re: Episode 355
Post by: jackson_hurley on March 19, 2018, 02:47:12 PM
yelp!  :ubik: :ubik:
Title: Re: Episode 355
Post by: Archer1215 on March 19, 2018, 02:48:58 PM
Welp. The text says it all! She retained her memories.

You have no idea how happy this makes me. Well, no. You probably do.

Did anyone else have a miniature freak out when they read the translation for the text? Because I sure did.  :guts:
Title: Re: Episode 355
Post by: Patrick on March 19, 2018, 02:49:25 PM
Thanks! Snagged it. Definitely one of those issues where "just" the official digital edition won't be enough. Honestly haven't been this excited for an individual episode since ... well, I guess 303 after we got teased about SK/Femto — 9 years ago.

Is anyone else going to try to stay spoiler free until the whole thing is out? (join me you fools :ganishka: )

I'm going to try my hardest Walter.  :griffnotevil:
Title: Re: Episode 355
Post by: jackson_hurley on March 19, 2018, 02:56:15 PM
Oh no! This would've been my first pre-order  :judo: I suppose it's unsurprising that this'll probably the most-sold issue in a long while.

I' trying to get it somewhere else by them. I'm waiting for an answer from cdjapan. Sucks cause I had been able to get most of the dream sequence in the Young Animal being only able recently to order them. I should have stayed up longer yesterday.  :mozgus:

Well, there seems to be copies again... but not sure yet. I passed the order in case.
Title: Re: Episode 355
Post by: Gobolatula on March 19, 2018, 03:16:23 PM
My God, she really remembers everything. She remembers being "Elaine."
Title: Re: Episode 355
Post by: Walter on March 19, 2018, 03:23:45 PM
My God, she really remembers everything. She remembers being "Elaine."

Her demeanor is a real surprise for me, particularly given the thorned heart we saw. Anyway, this seemingly accelerates things for the group. The anticipated period where she learned about and came to terms with what happened during the past 3+ years won't be happening. We seem to already be there. So once again Miura manages to surprise me even though all the cards were on the table for us to read.  :ubik:

I'm glad I've "only" spoiled this part of it (even though it's the critical piece!) because what I'm really holding out for is her scene with Guts.
Title: Re: Episode 355
Post by: Griffith on March 19, 2018, 03:36:42 PM
Well, that's definitely interesting and pretty cool that we're getting right to it! Also, I'm amazed how different Casca looks now, it could just be the liveliness of her eyes but it makes her whole face look different. Also, Casca's first words in about two decades(!) and yet the lamest stuff pleases me: We can now semi-officially retroactively refer to Casca's broken phase as the "Elaine Era." Nice and clean. :ganishka:
Title: Re: Episode 355
Post by: Walter on March 19, 2018, 03:42:10 PM
Also, Casca's first words in about two decades(!) and yet the lamest stuff pleases me: We can now semi-officially retroactively refer to Casca's broken phase as the "Elaine Era." Nice and clean. :ganishka:

Yeah, it's funny because I haven't thought about her as "Elaine" since the Conviction Arc, and even then it was always just a placeholder. But it's true that Luka did bestow that identity to her, and it's convenient to refer to.

BTW, I didn't wait.  :void:
Title: Re: Episode 355
Post by: Gobolatula on March 19, 2018, 03:43:51 PM
I know it's so early to be talking about things like this considering we don't have the full episode, but if she remembers being Elaine, she most definitely remembers Guts' actions from volume 23. I've been worried about that for so long.
Title: Re: Episode 355
Post by: Kaladin on March 19, 2018, 03:56:36 PM
for those who can't buy it on cdjapan, you can always use amazon.jp, Here is a link (https://www.amazon.co.jp/%E3%83%A4%E3%83%B3%E3%82%B0%E3%82%A2%E3%83%8B%E3%83%9E%E3%83%AB-2018%E5%B9%B4-13-%E5%8F%B7-%E9%9B%91%E8%AA%8C/dp/B07B5Y3PRT/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1521478440&sr=8-1&keywords=%E3%83%A4%E3%83%B3%E3%82%B0%E3%82%A2%E3%83%8B%E3%83%9E%E3%83%AB)

Edit: It's back in stock
Title: Re: Episode 355
Post by: Archer1215 on March 19, 2018, 04:01:08 PM
Her demeanor is a real surprise for me, particularly given the thorned heart we saw. Anyway, this seemingly accelerates things for the group. The anticipated period where she learned about and came to terms with what happened during the past 3+ years won't be happening. We seem to already be there. So once again Miura manages to surprise me even though all the cards were on the table for us to read.  :ubik:

It doesn't surprise me too terribly because I had always anticipated her retaining her memories in some form or another. But seeing her acknowledge those events is still really exciting to me. I can't believe this is really happening! Her brighter demeanor is definitely a bit surprising for me, but maybe her memories and experience of the Eclipse simply haven't "sunken in" yet. This scene apparently takes place immediately after she wakes up after all.

I know it's so early to be talking about things like this considering we don't have the full episode, but if she remembers being Elaine, she most definitely remembers Guts' actions from volume 23. I've been worried about that for so long.

She should remember a lot of things. Including Guts' abandonment of her, everything to do with her child, and the part she played in the Incarnation Ceremony. But the sexual assault is actually something I've wanted wanted to be followed through on since the Corridor of Dreams section of the story began. I definitely expect it to come up in conversation between the two of them at some point, but I'm not entirely certain how significant of an impact it will have on their relationship. After all, they have quite a bit more to talk about than that single incident. But again, I do expect it to be brought up at some point.
Title: Re: Episode 355
Post by: Cyrus Jong on March 19, 2018, 04:10:33 PM
I know it's so early to be talking about things like this considering we don't have the full episode, but if she remembers being Elaine, she most definitely remembers Guts' actions from volume 23. I've been worried about that for so long.

Indeed. But on the bright side, it means she also remembers everything else he did for her, and might be able to more properly contextualize things. She should know that was a terrible moment of weakness from someone who was terribly traumatized just like her, she should know Guts is not a monster, and she should know that he still did what he could to protect her afterward, even from himself. That event might warrant a confrontation, an uncomfortable conversation, or at least some uncomfortable distance and mixed feelings, but I don't expect her to be completely hostile to him either.
Title: Re: Episode 355
Post by: Walter on March 19, 2018, 04:11:47 PM
maybe her memories and experience of the Eclipse simply haven't "sunken in" yet. This scene apparently takes place immediately after she wakes up after all.

Hmm, I don't think so since she refers to Elaine as an other, so she knows who she is, implying all that comes with it. It would be strange if the Eclipse memories were still locked away given all they just went through. But I dunno, maybe?

Quote
She should remember a lot of things. Including Guts' abandonment of her, everything to do with her child, and the part she played in the Incarnation Ceremony. But the sexual assault is actually something I've wanted wanted to be followed through on since the Corridor of Dreams section of the story began. I definitely expect it to come up in conversation between the two of them at some point, but I'm not entirely certain how significant of an impact it will have on their relationship. After all, they have quite a bit more to talk about than that single incident. But again, I do expect it to be brought up at some point.

So you're putting your foot down and saying her and Guts might have a few things to talk about, huh?  :ganishka:
Title: Re: Episode 355
Post by: NCHaskew on March 19, 2018, 04:31:59 PM
Her brighter demeanor is definitely a bit surprising for me, but maybe her memories and experience of the Eclipse simply haven't "sunken in" yet. This scene apparently takes place immediately after she wakes up after all.

Yeah, I assumed with the thorny heart, she'd be a bit more...biting? But maybe it's her new coping mechanism. This could be her equivalent of Guts' more abrasive, seemingly-uncaring Black Swordsman period. That's my take on it--based on our one panel
Title: Re: Episode 355
Post by: Headless Death on March 19, 2018, 05:13:14 PM
It doesn't surprise me too terribly because I had always anticipated her retaining her memories in some form or another. But seeing her acknowledge those events is still really exciting to me. I can't believe this is really happening! Her brighter demeanor is definitely a bit surprising for me, but maybe her memories and experience of the Eclipse simply haven't "sunken in" yet. This scene apparently takes place immediately after she wakes up after all.
I was thinking that maybe Casca's calm demeanor was partially a side effect of the spores still, since they were there to instill a calming peaceful effect to aid sleep.  This would mean that she would still have all her memories, but is still under the spores' effects to calm her, but may still have a different reaction after the effects wear off.
Title: Re: Episode 355
Post by: NCHaskew on March 19, 2018, 05:21:05 PM
for those who can't buy it on cdjapan, you can always use amazon.jp, Here is a link (https://www.amazon.co.jp/%E3%83%A4%E3%83%B3%E3%82%B0%E3%82%A2%E3%83%8B%E3%83%9E%E3%83%AB-2018%E5%B9%B4-13-%E5%8F%B7-%E9%9B%91%E8%AA%8C/dp/B07B5Y3PRT/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1521478440&sr=8-1&keywords=%E3%83%A4%E3%83%B3%E3%82%B0%E3%82%A2%E3%83%8B%E3%83%9E%E3%83%AB)

Edit: It's back in stock

Thank youuu! Preordered  :ubik: :ubik: :ubik:
Title: Re: Episode 355
Post by: IncantatioN on March 19, 2018, 05:39:53 PM
Thanks for the link Sareth, order placed. Last week I finally got my package for episode 354.

I'm with you Walter on staying spoiler-free ^_^. I'm gonna wait for Aaz's post with the summary and dive into reading the episode.
Title: Re: Episode 355
Post by: jackson_hurley on March 19, 2018, 06:11:19 PM
As much as I'd like to resist like some of you guys, I'm gonna visually suck up any spoilers thats come before! I'm not strong enough to resist these little previews.  :ganishka:
Title: Re: Episode 355
Post by: Death May Die on March 19, 2018, 06:14:24 PM
Oh man! I'm going to lose sleep over waiting for this now! I can't wait for 355!
Title: Re: Episode 355
Post by: SleepersWake on March 19, 2018, 06:48:54 PM
All this tantalizing blacked-out text! How much is in this little leak? Is it like a random page from the middle with a bunch of panels of dialogue, or is it more like the episode's splash art or something along those lines? Depending on what all it gives away, I look now, or I may (try to) wait a few days longer.
Title: Re: Episode 355
Post by: Aazealh on March 19, 2018, 07:06:43 PM
Well, that's definitely interesting and pretty cool that we're getting right to it! Also, I'm amazed how different Casca looks now, it could just be the liveliness of her eyes but it makes her whole face look different.

It's funny, her eyes are the first thing that struck me. I had the same reaction, it makes her face look completely different.

Also, Casca's first words in about two decades(!) and yet the lamest stuff pleases me: We can now semi-officially retroactively refer to Casca's broken phase as the "Elaine Era." Nice and clean. :ganishka:

I'm both surprised and amazed that Miura went for it (having her refer to herself as "Elaine", with a furigana that says "I", which is worth noting). It's kind of strange because these people never knew her by that name, but it also conveys in the most effective way possible that she remembers everything. And I guess it tells us something about how she now perceives the state she was in. What a nice hat tip to Luka's gang, too. I have been dreaming of these two meeting again someday (with Casca being a super badass by then), and that's redoubled now.

Now curious to see the rest of the episode...


All this tantalizing blacked-out text! How much is in this little leak? Is it like a random page from the middle with a bunch of panels of dialogue, or is it more like the episode's splash art or something along those lines? Depending on what all it gives away, I look now, or I may (try to) wait a few days longer.

Come on man, we're not going to start describing every leak! Just check the picture or don't! :daiba:
Title: Re: Episode 355
Post by: DANGERDOOOOM on March 19, 2018, 07:38:28 PM
Now that we know Casca has kept her memories, I really hope she doesn't hold a grudge against Guts for his abandonment of her, plus his attack on her in volume 23. To me that wouldn't be fair for Guts. I'd say he's done his share to amend those hurts since then. Maybe she'll understand that it wasn't him being in total control of himself or his emotions during those times after the eclipse. He was in as much emotional distress as she was, they just dealt with those pains differently. I guess we will have to wait and see.
Title: Re: Episode 355
Post by: Sareth on March 19, 2018, 09:37:18 PM
WAAA! Woke up all groggy to get ready for my night job and now I’m wide awake.
Title: Re: Episode 355
Post by: SleepersWake on March 19, 2018, 11:43:33 PM
Ack! I gave in - I'll click the spoiler. But only after reviewing the chapters immediately post-eclipse to open myself up to the full weight of what I might see. I want this to hit me like a truck.
*some time later*
Oh lord she remembers. The anticipation is only rising!

Also, I have some thoughts on the art itself:
The Berserk subreddit is full of people complaining about her eyes looking too big. I was honestly taken aback at first too, but upon reflection, it makes perfect sense to have them so large as a way of drawing attention to them. The more angular, almond-like shape the have here (compared to their rounder style from her days as Elaine) serves to demonstrate her lucidity. As westerners, it might look quite exaggerated, but it's totally deliberate. This brings to mind a psychology experiment from 2007 comparing Japanese and American facial expressions. They found that, compared to facial expression in America, facial expressions in Japan rely more on the eyes to convey information and less on the mouth. This might help explain why this stylistic choice is so jarring to some westerners. (NB: I am really not a psychologist.)

citation for the article I mentioned:
Yuki, M., Maddux, W. W., & Masuda, T. (2007). Are the windows to the soul the same in the East and West? Cultural differences in using the eyes and mouth as cues to recognize emotions in Japan and the United States. Journal of Experimental Social Psychology, 43(2), 303-311.
Title: Re: Episode 355
Post by: Mangetsu on March 19, 2018, 11:49:12 PM

Also, I have some thoughts on the art itself:
The Berserk subreddit is full of people complaining about her eyes looking too big. I was honestly taken aback at first too, but upon reflection, it makes perfect sense to have them so large as a way of drawing attention to them. The more angular, almond-like shape the have here (compared to their rounder style from her days as Elaine) serves to demonstrate her lucidity. As westerners, it might look quite exaggerated, but it's totally deliberate. This brings to mind a psychology experiment from 2007 comparing Japanese and American facial expressions. They found that, compared to facial expression in America, facial expressions in Japan rely more on the eyes to convey information and less on the mouth. This might help explain why this stylistic choice is so jarring to some westerners. (NB: I am really not a psychologist.)


It's not that deep. Miura has been using this art style, since pretty much Falconia now. Bigger eyes, smaller nose, wider face. It's much more modern anime-esque, which doesn't surprise me, as todays series that use that style probably have an influence on him. One thing is sure for me though, the general art style looked at it's best late MF arc.
Title: Re: Episode 355
Post by: NCHaskew on March 20, 2018, 12:21:12 AM
It's not that deep. Miura has been using this art style, since pretty much Falconia now. Bigger eyes, smaller nose, wider face. It's much more modern anime-esque, which doesn't surprise me, as todays series that use that style probably have an influence on him. One thing is sure for me though, the general art style looked at it's best late MF arc.

Agreed, there's a pretty strong aesthetic change with each arc. I think the reason it's "more" apparent with Casca is she had her huge irises that kind of offset the big eyes. But now that she has her more lucid, smaller irises, the change is more noticeable. I'll be interested to see how the art shifts in the next arc, assuming Fantasia isn't the last.
Title: Re: Episode 355
Post by: Lord Leith on March 20, 2018, 12:46:48 AM
It's not that deep. Miura has been using this art style, since pretty much Falconia now. Bigger eyes, smaller nose, wider face. It's much more modern anime-esque, which doesn't surprise me, as todays series that use that style probably have an influence on him. One thing is sure for me though, the general art style looked at it's best late MF arc.

How much of that would you attest to being a style change for the sake of the arc vs him switching over from pen and paper to digital? Thats often the go to explanation I've heard from people as to why Guts and crew are sometimes off model compared to a couple volumes prior but I have no knowledge on the credence of this. It does seem pretty obvious to me that its switched to digital but Im skeptical on that being the main reason why the style has changed, Im guessing you'd agree that the change is voluntary?
Title: Re: Episode 355
Post by: Mangetsu on March 20, 2018, 01:00:36 AM
How much of that would you attest to being a style change for the sake of the arc vs him switching over from pen and paper to digital? Thats often the go to explanation I've heard from people as to why Guts and crew are sometimes off model compared to a couple volumes prior but I have no knowledge on the credence of this. It does seem pretty obvious to me that its switched to digital but Im skeptical on that being the main reason why the style has changed, Im guessing you'd agree that the change is voluntary?

I doubt that going digital changed his style completely. Atmosphere and surroundings definitely have an effect, but like i said, the art style has been this way pretty much since Falconia.  The biggest difference that came with going digital is definitely the use of lines. I think the art style is much more of a mood thing. It changes all the time though with Miura, so who knows when we will see a big change again.
Title: Re: Episode 355
Post by: Theozilla on March 20, 2018, 01:48:10 AM
It's not that deep. Miura has been using this art style, since pretty much Falconia now. Bigger eyes, smaller nose, wider face. It's much more modern anime-esque, which doesn't surprise me, as todays series that use that style probably have an influence on him. One thing is sure for me though, the general art style looked at it's best late MF arc.

Yeah, to basically restate what I said in the Berserk subreddit, the art has really just been accumulating a bunch of small little changes that all together are noticeable, but it has been happening since episode 338 (July 2015), if not Episode 334 (April 2014). It's just that people didn't notice it initially because it occurred during the Episodes focusing on Rickert (who doesn't appear in the narrative as frequently, so people don't have quite as a fixed/cemented image of his design as they do/did with Guts and co.).
People only really started noticing with Episode 342 because it had been more than three years since Guts and co. had been drawn by Miura. Furthermore, Miura has been drawing everyone’s eyes just slightly larger (and with slightly shorter jawlines), not just Casca, Farnese, and Schierke. I think it’s just less noticeable with the older and/or male characters because their default jawlines are still longer than the standard character design.

Personally, I think the current art style looks fine, it's slightly different than what it was a few years ago but that's par for the course with Berserk. The art of the latter half of the Millennium Falcon Arc (which personally, is my favorite art style period) likewise looked different compared to the very end of the Conviction Arc (which are other fans favorites due to the more scratchy/rough and angular line-work). If it's not to one's personal taste, that's a perfectly fair view to hold, but the numerous comments (in the subreddit) saying Miura's art/skill has "degraded" is unfair IMO (also scan quality/filters can make a bigger difference in image quality than one might realize).
Title: Re: Episode 355
Post by: SleepersWake on March 20, 2018, 02:22:13 AM
It's not that deep. Miura has been using this art style, since pretty much Falconia now. Bigger eyes, smaller nose, wider face. It's much more modern anime-esque, which doesn't surprise me, as todays series that use that style probably have an influence on him. [...]
True - Miura does have a record of doing stuff because he just likes the way it looks, rather than for some crafty reason. But even if Miura was just doing it 'cuz he liked the style, the existence of the large-eyed anime style itself could partly be result of the Japanese emphasis on eyes when it comes to facial expression. (I remember hearing someone better educated on these matters make that connection before, but I don't have a source on-hand.) After all, if you are trying to create a style that plays up a character's expressiveness - which is what cartoons and animation do in general - you exaggerate their expressive features. In Japan, that's mostly the eyes.

Anyway, I don't want to go too far off-topic. Point is, Berserk's current art style with regard to faces is very expressive (in a particularly Japanese way) if you can get over the reduced realism.
Title: Re: Episode 355
Post by: NightCrawler on March 20, 2018, 03:03:44 AM
Saw this on reddit, concerning the new vs old art style (spoiler):

https://i.imgur.com/OZuYucW.jpg
Title: Re: Episode 355
Post by: Lord Leith on March 20, 2018, 03:21:38 AM
I remember hearing someone better educated on these matters make that connection before, but I don't have a source on-hand.) After all, if you are trying to create a style that plays up a character's expressiveness - which is what cartoons and animation do in general - you exaggerate their expressive features. In Japan, that's mostly the eyes.

Maybe Im off base and if I am, someone can correct me for being wrong but from what I know the main reason why manga and anime artwork tends to have such big eyes dates back to Disney being a primary influence on Osamu Tezuka who then popularized the big eye designs in Japan with his own franchises like Astro Boy. Manga and anime had existed before Disney but it wasn't until notable releases like Snow White and Bambi that 1940s/post world war Japan started adopting the convention of big eyes.

Saw this on reddit, concerning the new vs old art style (spoiler):
https://i.imgur.com/OZuYucW.jpg

Both look fine to me, Casca's expression in the original looks more jovial and excited but her expression on the right looks more calm (albeit still happy), its hard to articulate. I do admit that as much as I love Miura's artwork, I do prefer the old art style and this fan edit on the right but to be fair if it was used in the episode itself, it would be too jarring in contrast with how she's looked these passed few episodes so Im glad the left/original one is ultimately what will be collected with said past episodes in a volume.
Title: Re: Episode 355
Post by: Griffith on March 20, 2018, 03:27:40 AM
I enjoy these Berserk art deep dives, and am partial to the Conviction and latter Millennium Falcon Arcs art styles myself (early MF is good too, but a transition), so much so I checked out the Berserk reddit thread on the subject (like the first time I've read it besides Wally's posts =), saw that 'shop, and I'm no one to criticize monkeying with Miura's work for fun, but I think essentially clone stamping Casca's, er "Elaine's," pre-awakening face on is missing the point that Miura is apparently attempting to convey a much more dramatic difference here by alluding to what almost seems like a modern interpretation of her physical appearance from the Golden Age (not a bad choice for a new beginning). One can't know for sure until we see more of her, but so far that's two out of two depictions heavily giving off that vibe. Whether it's for the effect of her return or a permanent change (and Griffith had similar permutations before settling into a consistent model, which I think we'll see evolve here too over time) it's clearly intentional and, ya know, the artistry in the artwork and what makes it "alive" rather than just a copy/paste job of her most recent character model. If people want to interpret it literally, think of how different one can look depending on their mood and expression (think Daniel Day Lewis =). Casca's essentially been a different person for years, it actually makes a lot of sense she would look like a different one now.
Title: Re: Episode 355
Post by: Lord Leith on March 20, 2018, 03:44:23 AM
I think essentially pasting Casca's pre-awakening face on is missing the point that Miura is apparently attempting to convey a more dramatic difference here by alluding to what almost seems like a modern interpretation of her physical appearance from the Golden Age. One can't know for sure until we see more of her, but so far that's two out of two depictions heavily giving off that vibe.

I agree 100%, like I said, on its own merits I do prefer the edit if only because it caters to the latter Millennium Falcon Arc style that I tend to prefer (although I do think the simpler artwork of the Golden Age has a lot of its own unique charm) but in context to the story, I also suspect that Miura is deliberately making her appear more like she did in the Golden Age, comparing her reawakened state to panels like this results in more similarities than by comparing her to post Eclipse/"Elaine" era depictions so its very likely that Miura is being deliberate with the proportions of her eyes and face. Miura as always knows what he's doing so Im sure that for thematic purposes, its best she looks this way.

(https://image.ibb.co/cWVwsx/Screen_Shot_2018_03_20_at_12_37_26_AM.png) (https://image.ibb.co/ctmNzc/Screen_Shot_2018_03_20_at_12_41_30_AM.png)
Title: Re: Episode 355
Post by: Sareth on March 20, 2018, 05:42:36 AM
Fingers crossed that the last page tells the next episode is coming April 27 and not Fall.
Title: Re: Episode 355
Post by: Mangetsu on March 20, 2018, 05:46:50 AM
Fingers crossed that the last page tells the next episode is coming April 27 and not Fall.

Don't want to talk big, but if the series would have gone on hiatus, we would have already seen someone leak it. Happened countless times where people leaked the hiatus announcment instead of panels from the episode itself.
Title: Re: Episode 355
Post by: Sareth on March 20, 2018, 06:00:57 AM
Don't want to talk big, but if the series would have gone on hiatus, we would have already seen someone leak it. Happened countless times where people leaked the hiatus announcment instead of panels from the episode itself.

That’s what I suspected but I don’t want to celebrate prematurely.
Title: Re: Episode 355
Post by: BiQ-- on March 20, 2018, 12:14:12 PM
Korean scans, pretty early? LINK REMOVED

Edit: last pages... oh F***ING HELL MY HEART -- NO! --- I guess her reaction is understandable. But it still hurts. I was admittedly starting to think "...it can't be this easy, can it?" - and sure enough, it wasn't.
Title: Re: Episode 355
Post by: Archer1215 on March 20, 2018, 12:44:01 PM
Korean scans, pretty early? http://wasabisyrup.com/archives/JUS7tjDiK5k

Edit: last pages... oh F***ING HELL MY HEART -- NO! --- I guess her reaction is understandable. But it still hurts. I was admittedly starting to think "...it can't be this easy, can it?" - and sure enough, it wasn't.


So, was I right when I said that the memories of the Eclipse simply hadn’t “sunken in” yet with the first image?  :guts: I love how this was set up as this beautiful, fairy tale reunion between Guts and Casca before he apparently triggers her trauma from the Eclipse. Next episode will no doubt be a painful one. The art was also gorgeous  in this episode, I mean wow. Casca looked so beautiful in her dress.
Title: Re: Episode 355
Post by: Aazealh on March 20, 2018, 01:02:49 PM
Pretty straightforward, yet terribly effective episode. Love Casca's expressions, love her new dress courtesy of Danan, and love her new hairstyle! (Didn't I tell you guys? Braids!)
She remembers so much stuff too (everything really). Miura really crammed a lot in there.
Seeing how she associates her trauma with Guts is pretty heart-breaking, but I'm more curious about how it's depicted. Seeing the "Eclipse" (and all it represents) surround Guts is a great effect, but I was surprised at the double page of Griffith's broken body. I guess it implies all of the traumatic events she went through are bottled together.


And by the way, I hope you guys realize how misguided it was to have all this "art talk" over a single panel. An art style evolves continuously, with every single panel, and individual panels aren't the best way to get a feel for it. In the end, I love Casca's new look, I think it's perfect. Whereas that edited thing Nightcrawler posted doesn't actually look like her, from any era.
Title: Re: Episode 355
Post by: jackson_hurley on March 20, 2018, 01:06:56 PM
Wow oh wow! This was incredibly beautifull and tear shedding for an episode! Wow oh wow. I'm glad I was able to get my hands on it after all.

can't wait to see aaz/pualla's summary! (with a huge thank you in advance)
Title: Re: Episode 355
Post by: Gobolatula on March 20, 2018, 01:10:29 PM
This episode was gorgeous. My heart is fucking broken, but it was beautiful. I've been looking forward to Casca being back for over a decade and I was not disappointed.

I was expecting things to be rocky with her return, but GOD DAMN was I taken for a ride with this. I was on the edge of my seat waiting for the long awaited reunion just to have it taken away from me.

This episode really was amazing though. I plan on re-reading it again and again.

Welcome back, Casca! You look beautiful!
Title: Re: Episode 355
Post by: RaffoBaffo on March 20, 2018, 01:22:01 PM
I don't really like the dress [I don't think the Mahou Shoujo look is a..."Casca look". The last time she was in a proper dress she was pretty uncomfortable]. but is coherent with the setting, so, whatever.
BTW, great Episode, great story progression, great art.
The last 3 pages are gold.
Sad for the hiatus, but, well, we are accustomed to this, complaining for it very time is useless.
Title: Re: Episode 355
Post by: Death May Die on March 20, 2018, 01:25:18 PM
Holy shit, amazing! I love the masterful pacing of the story telling. We get the best dynamics from all the best potential out comes. Casca retains her memories being very interesting, and her of course being greatly conflicted about Guts, which was quite impossible to avoid. All simply being great dynamics to be installed into the story.

Also, all those Casca panels, I have to say, Casca has never looked so absolutely beautiful!!!
Title: Re: Episode 355
Post by: NCHaskew on March 20, 2018, 01:42:03 PM
Absolutely stunning episode! I love how Miura is able to blend dialogue with nonverbal storytelling, telling the audience so much with so little. It's interesting to see her memories of Guts seemingly blended with good memories, yet his physical appearance brings back all her trauma. Gives it a very powerful feel of tragic love. It's apparent that Casca does still love him (never doubted, but thank Christ), but having such a strong association with him and her trauma makes it much more complicated. The spread of Griffith's broken body threw me for a loop. I'll be interested to see the translation!
Title: Re: Episode 355
Post by: DANGERDOOOOM on March 20, 2018, 01:46:24 PM
AAAGH, that ending! What does it mean!? :ubik:

Casca looks gorgeous! The panel where she is in tears made me smile with joy. 2 page spread after 2 page spread blew me away. Miura really out did himself this round. All of her emotions and her mental state shall be put to the test now that she's confronting Guts. Even though another hiatus is here, I couldn't have been more pleased the way things were left for us to ponder.

I think this would be a good opportunity for our boy :SK: to make his appearance.

Edit: Also, near the last page as Casca is walking towards Guts, Schierke and Farnese are behind watching, with Schierke smiling, but Farnese doesn't look to happy lol. I don't think she'll ever get rid of her feelings for Guts. Poor Farny
Title: Re: Episode 355
Post by: Scorpio on March 20, 2018, 02:06:54 PM
Man, the moment you see Guts you know it's going to be bad news. I loved that contrast with the bright, fairy-tale environment with the heavily shadowed realism. You instantly get that ominous feeling and it perfectly encapsulates the darkness that Guts has wrapped himself in since he began his quest for revenge. This development certainly isn't going to help the poor guy...        :beast:
Title: Re: Episode 355
Post by: Aazealh on March 20, 2018, 02:24:49 PM
Quick summary: Casca explains that she feels like she woke up from a long sleep, and the people she had dreamed off are standing right in front of her. While she was insane, she saw Elaine's life from far away, like a dream, but she could not feel nor think anything. The girls ask her if she remembers everything, and she says some things from before and after she fell asleep are vague. She remembers going to rescue Griffith, but nothing after that... (this prompts them to think back to the heart with thorns).

Farnese asks her if she remembers Guts, and that's when we get the beautiful full page of her smiling with tears in her eyes. The girls blush at this, and Ivalera tells Schierke it seems they've woken the "final boss", which prompts Schierke to stuff her in her hat. Danan asks if they're done getting acquainted, and says she'll give Casca a gift after such a long journey, one fitting for meeting the one she's been missing. Casca protests at the dress, saying she's a warrior, but Danan shuts her down, says it's perfect and that she looks like an elfin princess. She tells her she's called Guts telepathically too, and to go meet him.

As she goes to meet him, Casca feels that she remembers more and more with each step. The memories that make her who she is. And she remembers Elaine's life, too. Throughout that time when she couldn't feel nor think, there was a voice that kept saying... There is someone I want to meet...


Referring to ep 350

Guess I was right after all. :casca:
Title: Re: Episode 355
Post by: GTZ on March 20, 2018, 02:26:21 PM
sad but expected. Guts is a personification of the eclypse, a perpetuel reminder, by his body or his psyché, his armor, his weapon, etc.
It's beautifull to see Casca back, full of hop about this reunion, but everything crush when she meet him. It remind in a block all the suffering. About Griffith body, i am curious too, maybe a link between the body of Guts ? Because we don't see a glimpse of Femto, bot the broken body. Maybe the Broken falcon, the broken dream, the broken doll.
We well see, how i will turn, but Casca is happy to meet Guts, she is still in love and remember all trigger (i am not sure about the use of this word) Gut passed, and the other, to protect her. It's a good point, but the fear of him, or maybe the fear of the eclypse, the trauma, sadly Guts is the vessel of it.

The dress is a bit awkward on her, but she is beautifull like this, like a new Casca. But we reconize the old one in her eye, in this picture, when Schierke make the difference.


A hiatus, it was expected too... But we see her again, that's cool. I can wait now.

Edit : Oh, i post, but i didn't read before the resume.

So, the body of Griffith is the last glimps of her memory before the eclypse. Seing Gut, will make her remember everything. She has a black out between the end the rescue and the journey to heal her. The next time she will remember everything. We can better understang, why, during the corridor of dream we just see the eclypse in this representation, but we see a lot of the golden age.  And the thorn take their meaning, this is the memory seal.


Edit : sorry, for all misuse of word, i will progress, i promess !

Edit 2 :

Another point. About the full picture of Casca in tear of joy. I am rereading Berserk, and it's about the promess of Guts, to take Casca with him. Finally he did it, he is with Casca, about all the manga, we can maybe resume Berserk about it, the story of a man who travel all the earth to heal his woman, fighting monster. It's almost a myth, a legend. She feel it, i think, that maybe he leave her a moment or not, but he is, and that the most important point, still her. He didn't leave her.
Title: Re: Episode 355
Post by: MrFlibble on March 20, 2018, 03:04:06 PM
Welp there goes my smile  # IWASRIGHTGUTS  :badbone:, don't quote me on it but I doubt this will have a lasting impact. Miura didn't waste time designing a Cinderella dress for Casca to have her mind stripped away again. I predict Guts will have to talk her out of this mental stuper. Either way I think this will be a heart rendering moment for Guts, I wouldn't be suprised if he were reduced to tears during this crucial moment.


 This episode boasts some of the best pages in Berserk history, the somber images of an approaching Guts, and a ruined Griffith in brutal detail should lay waste to any doubts about Miura's passion for his series. But I'll have to throw my lot in with the crowd that dislikes the new artstyle, Cascas eyes are too catlike for my liking.
Title: Re: Episode 355
Post by: Walter on March 20, 2018, 03:07:17 PM
This is one of the coolest episodes in the series. Every page gave me goosebumps. And what a killer ending, wow!

Like Aaz wrote in the summary, Casca awoke with all of her memories, but it seems she accessed the most recent ones first, while some were buried deeper than others. And so she was still in the process of parsing those memories (loved every little bubble) as she was walking toward Guts. And seeing him instantly tapped the darkest part of her memories. He's a living reminder of that time, tied inexorably to both her most happy and most terrifying memories. Miura is awesome.

Really appreciate the extra detail he added to the Griffith scene in his cell -- wow -- really heightens the atmosphere of those pages.

I think Casca's outfit looks great (braids!) and Danan insisting she knows better than Casca about what she should wear is pretty good stuff, maybe she needs an emoticon =)

Casca's smile when thinking about Guts is a pretty big moment for readers, too. All that hard work paying off :guts:


Title: Re: Episode 355
Post by: Griffith on March 20, 2018, 03:13:37 PM
 :sad:

That was mean. Great stuff obviously, loved ALMOST every moment, seemed TOO good even :carcus:, as she beautifully, idyllically walks towards Guts and we think it's really happening and better than we ever imagined and we see him isolated and think how he'll feel and then things start to shift and is that her pupil or oh no not the eclipse then BOOM giant Griffith corpse body and scream... Boo! :judo:

But yeah, a great and affecting episode as expected.
Title: Re: Episode 355
Post by: Aazealh on March 20, 2018, 03:19:21 PM
Tentative episode title: "Under the sunlight shining through the leaves"

Oh, and I keep seeing people talking about a hiatus... but the end of the episode says "to be continued next time". So no confirmation of a hiatus as far as I can tell. Needless to say, I also wish that just once, on this momentous occasion, people would focus on discussing what actually happens in this episode instead of obsessing over the release schedule.

don't quote me on it but I doubt this will have a lasting impact. Miura didn't waste time designing a Cinderella dress for Casca to have her mind stripped away again.

:ganishka: Well you can quote me on it: Casca didn't just go insane again. That would be ludicrous and I'm surprised you'd even think about it.

It's just that all of her bad memories had been bottled up, and they seemingly reemerged all at once. What's interesting is that Guts is shown as being the catalyst, but it seems that it might still have happened anyway. There's some uncertainty on that part which I'm very curious to get cleared up. As for how it'll be dealt with, well... that remains to be seen. There's many ways it could go, from Guts just holding her to her needing some time alone to process things.


Casca's smile when thinking about Guts is a pretty big moment for readers, too. All that hard work paying off :guts:

Hell yeah, one for the ages.
Title: Re: Episode 355
Post by: MrFlibble on March 20, 2018, 03:36:37 PM
:ganishka: Well you can quote me on it: Casca didn't just go insane again. That would be ludicrous and I'm surprised you'd even think about it.

It's just that all of her bad memories had been bottled up, and they seemingly reemerged all at once. What's interesting is that Guts is shown as being the catalyst, but it seems that it might have happened anyway. There's some uncertainty on that part. As for how it'll be dealt with, well... that remains to be seen. There's many ways it could go, from Guts just holding her to her needing some time alone to process things.


Hell yeah, one for the ages.

Someone thought of it, after all 90% of the time Berserk runs by Murphy's law  :void:. However I also meant that this probably won't divide Guts and Casca's relationship. It's like you mentioned, Guts is the conduit for all of her painful memories (especially with the way he looks now). And the flashback of a ruined Griffith implies that she will have to come to terms with what he has become as well.
Title: Re: Episode 355
Post by: Cyrus Jong on March 20, 2018, 03:50:11 PM
Never before have I seen so little happen across so many pages. Never before has so much time been taken just to show the slowest and simplest action two people could possibly take. And never before have I been so crushed.

Everything is bright, everything is serene, everything is beautiful. Everything, that is, except Guts. We can hardly see his face, we can't see his eyes, and it seems like all the shadows of the tree are gathered around him. There's not supposed to be anything to fear, but he just seems to cast of aura of menace and terror regardless. It's not fair to him at all, but like it or not, he's now a symbol for everything that Casca suffered and lost on that fateful day...

I waited a long time anticipating this moment, mentally preparing myself it. And now that it's here, I don't think I'm ready for it. :sad:
Title: Re: Episode 355
Post by: Aazealh on March 20, 2018, 03:51:37 PM
Someone thought of it, after all 90% of the time Berserk runs by Murphy's law  :void:.

Naaah. I don't know why people always say that. Berserk is hardly just a series of hardships happening to people... There are very dark moments for sure, but there's also plenty of positive stuff and of triumphs for the good guys...

However I also meant that this probably won't divide Guts and Casca's relationship. It's like you mentioned, Guts is the conduit for all of her painful memories (especially with the way he looks now). And the flashback of a ruined Griffith implies that she will have to come to terms with what he has become as well.

What Casca says about her memories is worth dwelling on: she doesn't remember what happened right before and right after she "fell asleep". Meaning that also probably includes the birth of her son (I know we see him under both forms in her "bubbles of memory", but maybe she hasn't connected the dots yet). I think that's what we might get in the next episode, in addition to having to deal with Griffith's sorry state, his betrayal and the whole Eclipse proper. Beyond the immediate crisis, she really has a lot to catch up on regarding the state of the world.

Also, regarding her trauma, I'm very curious as to how Miura will have her (and Guts and the others) confront it. I wonder if it will also be personified eventually, giving her a "beast of darkness" of sorts. If so I wouldn't necessarily expect it to be like Guts, it could be more like self-doubt for example.


Everything is bright, everything is serene, everything is beautiful. Everything, that is, except Guts. We can hardly see his face, we can't see his eyes, and it seems like all the shadows of the tree are gathered around him. There's not supposed to be anything to fear, but he just seems to cast of aura of menace and terror regardless. It's not fair to him at all, but like it or not, he's now a symbol for everything that Casca suffered and lost on that fateful day...

I like that the "Black Swordsman" persona kind of works against Guts here, it feels very fitting thematically.
Title: Re: Episode 355
Post by: NCHaskew on March 20, 2018, 03:56:02 PM
Oh, and I keep seeing people talking about a hiatus... but the end of the episode says "to be continued next time". So no confirmation of a hiatus as far as I can tell. Needless to say, I also wish that just once, on this momentous occasion, people would focus on discussing what actually happens in this episode instead of obsessing over the release schedule.

Not to obsess over the release schedule, but that's interesting  :ganishka: I guess people (myself included) noticed the lack of numbers so assumed the ending was something along the lines of "to be continued this Fall" or something.

But in any case, yes people, live in the moment! We got another episode with artwork and moments that are immediately iconic!
Title: Re: Episode 355
Post by: SleepersWake on March 20, 2018, 04:17:36 PM
So happy I preordered, so I can own a physical copy of this beautiful, painful episode. This took me on a ride. Special mention to the the cinematic effect, where Casca's eye transitions to the eclipse - her pupil becomes the black sun, her iris becomes the landscape of faces, and guts walks forward through both scenes. Seriously freaky.

Got a bone to pick with the main man here, though. Guts. Why in the name of all that is holy did you bring the Berserk Armour, the Dragonslayer, and all your weapons to meet Casca. YOU DIDN'T NEED THOSE. Even aside from the memories, that stuff makes you highly unhuggable.


EDIT:oh, and I laughed out loud when I saw Danan's magical, instant makeover, and how Casca reacted to it. Its beautiful, but also kinda silly to imagine in real time, especially knowing how un-Casca it is. Just *POOF*! Instant elvish prom-queen!
Title: Re: Episode 355
Post by: Walter on March 20, 2018, 04:22:20 PM
Everything is bright, everything is serene, everything is beautiful. Everything, that is, except Guts. We can hardly see his face, we can't see his eyes, and it seems like all the shadows of the tree are gathered around him. There's not supposed to be anything to fear, but he just seems to cast of aura of menace and terror regardless. It's not fair to him at all, but like it or not, he's now a symbol for everything that Casca suffered and lost on that fateful day...

I agree! But it's not dissimilar from last episode, where Miura obscured Casca's eyes from the reader until the big reveal. Guts laying his eyes on Casca will be a big moment, but we aren't being treated to that yet (not really).

Got a bone to pick with the main man here, though. Guts. Why in the name of all that is holy did you bring the Berserk Armour, the Dragonslayer, and all your weapons to meet Casca. YOU DIDN'T NEED THOSE. Even aside from the memories, that stuff makes you highly unhuggable.

Because you don't travel across the world to restore the woman you love, and then when you're told that she's back, take time to change clothes and unequip things. You run to her. :casca: :guts:
Title: Re: Episode 355
Post by: Mangetsu on March 20, 2018, 04:38:49 PM
Not to obsess over the release schedule, but that's interesting  :ganishka: I guess people (myself included) noticed the lack of numbers so assumed the ending was something along the lines of "to be continued this Fall" or something.

But in any case, yes people, live in the moment! We got another episode with artwork and moments that are immediately iconic!

I don't want to be that guy, but it says ''to be continued next time'', which is the announcement of a break. We had the same announcement at the end of episode 337

(https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/419333499510587413/425708382863884318/final_chapter_berserk_337_by_lalykiasca-d813c42.jpg)
Title: Re: Episode 355
Post by: SleepersWake on March 20, 2018, 04:40:37 PM
Because you don't travel across the world to restore the woman you love, and then when you're told that she's back, take time to change clothes and unequip things. You run to her.  :???:
*checks 349* You know I somehow forgot that he was wearing all that stuff during the party, and I didn't notice the Dragonslayer lying in the grass next to him. Thinking back, I'm not sure he even owns any clothes besides what he wears under the armor :P
Title: Re: Episode 355
Post by: Cyrus Jong on March 20, 2018, 04:45:07 PM
Got a bone to pick with the main man here, though. Guts. Why in the name of all that is holy did you bring the Berserk Armour, the Dragonslayer, and all your weapons to meet Casca. YOU DIDN'T NEED THOSE. Even aside from the memories, that stuff makes you highly unhuggable.

Aside from what Walter said, there's also the issue that Guts is often shown being sickly when he doesn't have the armor on. And the sword in particular has always been a bit of a "security blanket" for him; he just doesn't feel easy if it's not in reach.
Title: Re: Episode 355
Post by: Aazealh on March 20, 2018, 04:59:16 PM
I don't want to be that guy, but it says ''to be continued next time'', which is the announcement of a break. We had the same announcement at the end of episode 337

No, that message in itself isn't the announcement of a break. For reference, we also had the same announcement at the end of episode 338, 340, 341, 344 and 345 (among others) without a hiatus afterwards. Furthermore, the last three times there was a hiatus (episode 343, 347 and 351), the message shown was different, it just said "[Berserk] to be continued".
Title: Re: Episode 355
Post by: Mangetsu on March 20, 2018, 05:10:01 PM
No, that message in itself isn't the announcement of a break. For reference, we also had the same announcement at the end of episode 338, 340, 341, 344 and 345 (among others) without a hiatus afterwards. Furthermore, the last three times there was a hiatus (episode 343, 347 and 351), the message shown was different, it just said "[Berserk] to be continued".

Very interesting. Thanks for correcting me.
Title: Re: Episode 355
Post by: NightCrawler on March 20, 2018, 05:11:19 PM
Glorious last pages.
Title: Re: Episode 355
Post by: Aazealh on March 20, 2018, 05:16:03 PM
Very interesting. Thanks for correcting me.

No problem. Note that there might still be a hiatus anyway. We haven't gotten a release date, which they do usually provide. And like you mentioned that same message has been used when there were breaks before. But the point is the text itself doesn't indicate it. I'm guessing there's more information on an adjacent page in YA... Or it could also mean they're uncertain whether or not an episode will be available. Anyway, until we get a confirmation, it'd be great if we could all just talk about what happens in this issue. =)
Title: Re: Episode 355
Post by: ApostleBob on March 20, 2018, 05:47:17 PM
What a fantastic episode.

I'm fairly surprised that Casca initially wakes up so calmly and cheerfully, but I love that it's a false sense of security until she gets to Guts. Miura really had me thinking it was going to be a sweet and simple reunion after all the struggle to bring her back. I was even starting to get comfortable with that until I saw that image with the eye. Miura has used that many times before, and it created fantastic dread at this moment. Those final pages are incredible.

I'm stoked to see where Miura takes it from here. We're in uncharted territory in the series now. I can't wait to see where it's taken next.
Title: Re: Episode 355
Post by: SleepersWake on March 20, 2018, 05:56:04 PM
Pretty straightforward, yet terribly effective episode. Love Casca's expressions, love her new dress courtesy of Danan, and love her new hairstyle! (Didn't I tell you guys? Braids!)
I hate to call out the grand-master of accuracy, but your actual prediction in SkullKast ep 93, at 1:24:10 was "She's gonna do [...] one big braid".  Technically not accurate (at least not yet!) :iva:
Title: Re: Episode 355
Post by: Aazealh on March 20, 2018, 06:06:57 PM
I hate to call out the grand-master of accuracy, but your actual prediction in SkullKast ep 93, at 1:24:10 was "She's gonna do [...] one big braid".  Technically not accurate (at least not yet!) :iva:

Yeaaaaaahhhhh mayyyyybbbeeee. :iva: But I count it as a partial win! :griffnotevil:
Anyway, I'm not sure this hairdo is the one she'll settle on. It's something Danan whipped up for the moment, but I have a feeling it might be too "girly" for Casca's taste (same as the dress basically).

Also, since we're on page 4 of the thread, I think we can drop the spoiler tags now.
Title: Re: Episode 355
Post by: DragoonBG on March 20, 2018, 06:09:01 PM
You better give him a hug Miura or I am gonna be pissed :zodd:. Man's been through so much... just a tiny bit of happiness would mean so much for both (and us) :sad:.

Really emotional episode!
Title: Re: Episode 355
Post by: NCHaskew on March 20, 2018, 06:09:32 PM
Moment of (perhaps false) insight: this dream arc seemed to have two big callbacks to earlier content:

1) Casca's heart taking the shape of the Idea of Evil.

2) This may be me reading to much into it, but Casca mentioning how her time as Elaine was like a distant dream reminds me of Casca's moment of lucidity in the Berserk Dreamcast game, where she says she was having a bad dream.

That may not be an intentional callback, but I like that Miura was more or less consistent with Casca's perception of her time as Elaine.
Title: Re: Episode 355
Post by: Aazealh on March 20, 2018, 06:22:09 PM
this dream arc

Not an arc. :puck:
There are 5 arcs in Berserk: Black Swordsman, Golden Age, Conviction, Millennium Falcon, and Fantasia.
And don't get me started about chapters! :iva:
Check out our episode listing to know more. (http://skullknight.net/manga/)

1) Casca's heart taking the shape of the Idea of Evil.

Haha, what? Casca's heart is shaped... like a heart. Sure, the Idea of Evil is shaped like a monstrous heart, but that doesn't support the connection you're making here.

2) This may be me reading to much into it, but Casca mentioning how her time as Elaine was like a distant dream reminds me of Casca's moment of lucidity in the Berserk Dreamcast game, where she says she was having a bad dream.

Oh I think that's completely deliberate. People underestimate how great the Dreamcast game was!
Title: Re: Episode 355
Post by: Lord Leith on March 20, 2018, 06:48:29 PM
1) Casca's heart taking the shape of the Idea of Evil.

As Aazealh said, the Idea of Evil and Casca's heart are ultimately just both based off a conventional/realistic heart design so I wouldn't think too deeply about it but if the topic interests you, we did discuss the topic a month ago in this thread. http://www.skullknight.net/forum/index.php?topic=15460.msg250732#msg250732

We mostly reached the conclusion that there's a thematic connection between her heart (due to the double helix) and the brand which by proxy means a loose connection to the IoE but key word is loose, nothing definitive (that we know of yet anyways).
Title: Re: Episode 355
Post by: NCHaskew on March 20, 2018, 06:53:40 PM
Not an arc. :puck:
There are 5 arcs in Berserk: Black Swordsman, Golden Age, Conviction, Millennium Falcon, and Fantasia.
And don't get me started about chapters! :iva:
Check out our episode listing to know more. (http://skullknight.net/manga/)

Sorry, sorry, I meant arc in the general sense--dream sequence xP

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Haha, what? Casca's heart is shaped... like a heart. Sure, the Idea of Evil is shaped like a monstrous heart, but that doesn't support the connection you're making here.

Well, double helix swirls around it specifically xD obviously not saying she's become the IoE or anything, but it seemed like a nod.

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Oh I think that's completely deliberate. People underestimate how great the Dreamcast game was!

That game is wonderful!
Title: Re: Episode 355
Post by: Truder on March 20, 2018, 07:08:53 PM
but your actual prediction in SkullKast ep 93, at 1:24:10 was "She's gonna do [...] one big braid".

Someone (cant remember who) also said that it would be weird if Casca had one big braid just like Rickert. Further research is required. :schnoz:
Title: Re: Episode 355
Post by: Aazealh on March 20, 2018, 07:14:12 PM
Someone (cant remember who) also said that it would be weird if Casca had one big braid just like Rickert. Further research is required. :schnoz:

I guess it's someone who doesn't know the difference between a braid and a ponytail. :iva:
Title: Re: Episode 355
Post by: Delta Phi on March 20, 2018, 07:27:40 PM
Loved so much about this episode. This whole run has just been fantastic, and like so many others I was drawn in by the false sense of security. Everything unfolding was just too easy. Having Guts (or perhaps more specifically, Guts as he is now) be Casca's Eclipse trigger is quite compelling. I absolutely love that she remembers so much of her time as "Elaine". I've been hoping this would be the case for years, and it cuts out any necessity for on/off screen catchups for a lot of what has transpired (not that there's anything intrinsically bad about that), and surely her and Farnese can start off the bat with a strong bond, which is something I've been hoping for as well. And now maybe Casca can show Farnese a thing or two about wielding a sword properly, fully realizing Farnese's potential as a spellblade  :daiba: :iva:
Title: Re: Episode 355
Post by: zelis on March 20, 2018, 08:20:46 PM
I don't usually post, but this episode is just so, so good, I HAVE to share my happiness with the world  :ganishka:

Miura's art is just over the top these days : that panel with Casca smiling conveys so much emotions it felt like a picture to me. And those last panels, just beautiful.

I can't say I didn't see this ending coming... and yet it was very emotional, that's how good this episode is.

I hope Casca will soon overcome her trauma : Guts definitely deserves to see her smile, at last !

I'd not be surprise if we happen to see Skullknight :SK: in the very near future now : maybe to keep the group updated about Femto's doing ?
Title: Re: Episode 355
Post by: Griffith on March 20, 2018, 08:49:27 PM
I'd not be surprise if we happen to see Skullknight :SK: in the very near future now : maybe to keep the group updated about Femto's doing ?

More like, "I told you so." :badbone:

Anyway, I'm still not over that gut(s) punch Miura set up so cruelly with that ridiculous dress and everything; this is the most evil shit he's ever drawn! :ganishka:

Love that solo page of Guts coming towards her though, like a poster. The Griffith thing was unexpected and therefore even more effectively nightmarish than any of the Eclipse stuff at this point. Bravo. :ubik: And also boo because this legitimately hurt my feelings. :griffnotevil:
Title: Re: Episode 355
Post by: Grail on March 20, 2018, 09:40:52 PM
Well, here we are.

It was truly a joy (and also sort of bizarre) seeing Casca making all these lucid expressions in this episode! I wasn't sure how much that aspect of her interactions with Farnese and Schierke would affect me, but suffice to say it was an emotional experience. I think that having Casca's memories remaining fuzzy is a good choice on Miura's part. It not only makes sense, but allows him to have the best of both worlds in terms of establishing narrative tension, where most of us were thinking further on either end of the spectrum. She still seems to remember many things, but still has a lot about herself to re-discover, including her relationship with her child. Well played! :azan:

The lead-up to the big ending was done so well that, hours after reading it, I'm still shaken. Reading it through the first time, I think I was all over the place: elated to have Casca back, but when Danan swooped in with that dress, I was kind of dismayed and confused on Casca's behalf. Give the poor woman a moment to breathe! Maybe I'm reading into this too much, but it almost felt like Miura was commenting on the whole idea of having Casca back, and how, as readers, we're simultaneously wanting her to be reunited with Guts and "normal" again, when really, she needs time to process what's happened to her. In some ways, maybe we're like Danan, poofing poor Casca into a wedding dress in our minds! :ganishka:

Anyway, that was my quick take on the episode. I'm really enjoying reading everyone's impressions!
Title: Re: Episode 355
Post by: MockingEntropy on March 20, 2018, 11:29:43 PM
My mind is in ashes. It feels like I'm instinctively called in to listening Guts theme(Bonfire of dreams), while getting a glance to that cathartic panel with Guts and Casca facing each other, then looking just what fucking comes after.

What an overwhelming story. Did you figured out the literary prowess? The chapter could have the following title, equally suiting to the chant : Bear a Past on our Shoulders.
Title: Re: Episode 355
Post by: NCHaskew on March 21, 2018, 12:01:08 AM
My mind is in ashes. It feels like I'm instinctively called in to listening Guts theme(Bonfire of dreams), while getting a glance to that cathartic panel with Guts and Casca facing each other, then looking just what fucking comes after.

I made that joke with my friend (to hide the pain)
Panel of Casca tearing up: Guts' theme starts
Panel of Casca's eye turning into Eclipse: Guts' theme abruptly cute off.
Title: Re: Episode 355
Post by: Griffith on March 21, 2018, 01:26:30 AM
It was truly a joy (and also sort of bizarre) seeing Casca making all these lucid expressions in this episode! I wasn't sure how much that aspect of her interactions with Farnese and Schierke would affect me, but suffice to say it was an emotional experience.
The lead-up to the big ending was done so well that, hours after reading it, I'm still shaken. Reading it through the first time, I think I was all over the place: elated to have Casca back, but when Danan swooped in with that dress, I was kind of dismayed and confused on Casca's behalf. Give the poor woman a moment to breathe! Maybe I'm reading into this too much, but it almost felt like Miura was commenting on the whole idea of having Casca back, and how, as readers, we're simultaneously wanting her to be reunited with Guts and "normal" again, when really, she needs time to process what's happened to her. In some ways, maybe we're like Danan, poofing poor Casca into a wedding dress in our minds! :ganishka:

But it was Miura that put that in our minds! Not even Aaz predicted Danan would wiggle her nose and betwitch Casca a magic gown. It was already naturally bizzare as you said, but Miura turned it up a notch with that. In retrospect that should have been a big red flag, but it was so deliberately over-the-top (I was actually concerned it was going to be too twee =), and on top of our own wave of good vibrations seeing Casca like that, and not a hint of negativity where Guts was concerned, it just seemed like it was really happening and crescendoing to that moment as they walked towards one another. It was a brilliant fakeout because, one, Miura doesn't usually do them, and two, we already KNEW it wasn't going to be that easy; we've literally been talking about it for years! Yet, he somehow managed to subvert our long established expectations by rolling out the red carpet for us, to consider and to some degree anticipate this perfect reunion, before completely pulling it out from under our feet! :ganishka: :mozgus: :judo:
Title: Re: Episode 355
Post by: Cyrus Jong on March 21, 2018, 02:30:31 AM
The lead-up to the big ending was done so well that, hours after reading it, I'm still shaken. Reading it through the first time, I think I was all over the place: elated to have Casca back, but when Danan swooped in with that dress, I was kind of dismayed and confused on Casca's behalf. Give the poor woman a moment to breathe! Maybe I'm reading into this too much, but it almost felt like Miura was commenting on the whole idea of having Casca back, and how, as readers, we're simultaneously wanting her to be reunited with Guts and "normal" again, when really, she needs time to process what's happened to her. In some ways, maybe we're like Danan, poofing poor Casca into a wedding dress in our minds! :ganishka:

Danan may be one of the most powerful individuals in the world of Berserk, but at the end of the day, she's an Elf. Cut from the same cloth as Ivalera, Puck, and his brothers, with all that implies. :iva:

I made that joke with my friend (to hide the pain)
Panel of Casca tearing up: Guts' theme starts
Panel of Casca's eye turning into Eclipse: Guts' theme abruptly cute off.

And Monster starts playing. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OO-QCjpXdfo)
Title: Re: Episode 355
Post by: Sareth on March 21, 2018, 03:19:39 AM
Initially I didn’t like this episode when I first glanced it over before going to bed. Now that I’ve had time to look at it again with Puella’s summary in mind and fuck that got me good. At first when when Casca was all calm and relieved, got her magical elven makeover and started out to see Guts I had this growing feeling of disappointment and was thinking, “No... no this is too cheesy and contrived.” and then BAM. I actually gasped when it snapped to Eclipse and tortured Griffith. Damn, Miura.
Title: Re: Episode 355
Post by: BiQ-- on March 21, 2018, 06:28:37 AM
I made that joke with my friend (to hide the pain)
Panel of Casca tearing up: Guts' theme starts
Panel of Casca's eye turning into Eclipse: Guts' theme abruptly cute off.

And Monster starts playing. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OO-QCjpXdfo)

...I literally started hearing Ghosts (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ouARR_kEPVc) at that moment, no joke.
Title: Re: Episode 355
Post by: Aazealh on March 21, 2018, 07:07:32 AM
I think that having Casca's memories remaining fuzzy is a good choice on Miura's part. It not only makes sense, but allows him to have the best of both worlds in terms of establishing narrative tension, where most of us were thinking further on either end of the spectrum. She still seems to remember many things, but still has a lot about herself to re-discover, including her relationship with her child. Well played! :azan:

I wonder how that will work though. She seems to remember almost everything within the span of this episode, down to the bad stuff at the end. I'm curious whether Miura will leave some things fuzzy so they can be addressed later or if we'll just deal with most of it at once (in the following episodes)... It feels like we're going with the latter for now, but that does feel like a lot to handle narratively.

The lead-up to the big ending was done so well that, hours after reading it, I'm still shaken. Reading it through the first time, I think I was all over the place: elated to have Casca back, but when Danan swooped in with that dress, I was kind of dismayed and confused on Casca's behalf. Give the poor woman a moment to breathe! Maybe I'm reading into this too much, but it almost felt like Miura was commenting on the whole idea of having Casca back, and how, as readers, we're simultaneously wanting her to be reunited with Guts and "normal" again, when really, she needs time to process what's happened to her. In some ways, maybe we're like Danan, poofing poor Casca into a wedding dress in our minds! :ganishka:
But it was Miura that put that in our minds! Not even Aaz predicted Danan would wiggle her nose and betwitch Casca a magic gown. It was already naturally bizzare as you said, but Miura turned it up a notch with that. In retrospect that should have been a big red flag, but it was so deliberately over-the-top (I was actually concerned it was going to be too twee =), and on top of our own wave of good vibrations seeing Casca like that, and not a hint of negativity where Guts was concerned, it just seemed like it was really happening and crescendoing to that moment as they walked towards one another.

Haha, you guys are so harsh with the dress! I actually really like it! :iva: And it does feel like a very elfish thing to do, too. Remember on the podcast when I said it could be kind of hellish for Casca if she had to go through the party where the elves would be like "you are going to have fun whether you want to or not"? Same kind of thing. Imposed romance. And yeah I have to agree with you guys, it seems clear Miura intentionally went for the most perfect reunion setting ever only to better subvert it.

But I have to reiterate how much I actually like that perfect setting, with the dream dress and below the blossoming cherry tree. For one, because it's appropriately epic for what might be argued is the biggest event in the series so far. I mean I have to agree with Danan here on principle: travel clothes won't do. And I guess that setting alone also satisfied me to some extent. It gave me a taste of the happy reunion I yearned for... and it somehow softened the blow of having her trauma resurface like it did. The other aspect is of course that the idyllic setting makes the somber arrival of the Black Swordsman stick out even more...

Now, what I'm truly curious about, beyond this moment, is what the long term implications will be for Guts & Casca's relationship. Basically why Miura went for this and not one of the many other possibilities he had. Because I'm sure it wasn't just for the twist itself.
Title: Re: Episode 355
Post by: Griffith on March 21, 2018, 07:30:50 AM
I have to agree with you guys, it seems clear Miura intentionally went for the most perfect reunion setting ever only to better subvert it. But what I'm curious about, beyond this moment, is what the long term implications will be for Guts & Casca's relationship. Basically why Miura went for this and not one of the many other possibilities he had. Because I'm sure it wasn't just for the twist itself.

More like a twist of a knife. Yeah, it's the broader implications that make it so terrible; namely the prospect that she'll involuntarily find Guts repulsive by association with all she's endured. Happiness, theirs and ours, deferred indefinitely. I mean, we knew she'd have issues and Guts would be tied to some of it, but making him like the catalyst that triggers her... oof, that'd be rough, like worse than we imagined. We'll see though, maybe this is just everything hitting her at once and while it's going to be bad now it can at least hopefully get better from here instead of being a chronic thing going forward (but like Grail said, what WE want, not necessarily what's good for Casca =). Considering Casca's flashing back to the Eclipse and Griffith, presumably from the wagon, physical contact might not be the best idea right now (if so, I hope Guts can restrain himself). In any case, I'm not going to enjoy Casca's and Guts' pained expressions in the next episode. :sad:
Title: Re: Episode 355
Post by: Death May Die on March 21, 2018, 09:09:38 AM
Episode 355 marks my first preorder ever! Yay! I'll keep up with them from this point on!

Title: Re: Episode 355
Post by: Truder on March 21, 2018, 09:27:30 AM
I have question about the last page. Is that a sound effect in the black bubble? what does it translate to?
Title: Re: Episode 355
Post by: Aazealh on March 21, 2018, 09:43:25 AM
More like a twist of a knife. Yeah, it's the broader implications that make it so terrible; namely the prospect that she'll involuntarily find Guts repulsive by association with all she's endured. Happiness, theirs and ours, deferred indefinitely. I mean, we knew she'd have issues and Guts would be tied to some of it, but making him like the catalyst that triggers her... oof, that'd be rough, like worse than we imagined. We'll see though, maybe this is just everything hitting her at once and while it's going to be bad now it can at least hopefully get better from here instead of being a chronic thing going forward (but like Grail said, what WE want, not necessarily what's good for Casca =). Considering Casca's flashing back to the Eclipse and Griffith, presumably from the wagon, physical contact might not be the best idea right now (if so, I hope Guts can restrain himself). In any case, I'm not going to enjoy Casca's and Guts' pained expressions in the next episode.

You know, personally I remain hopeful. I'm not crestfallen over this. I have never doubted that Guts and Casca will be able to enjoy their love eventually, and I'm not starting now. The way I see it, they are simply on a path towards that goal, and this is just another step along the way. And while we don't know what the next episode has in store for us, I think it has the potential for some touching moments and not just painful ones.

Episode 355 marks my first preorder ever! Yay! I'll keep up with them from this point on!

(http://www.skullknight.net/forum/Themes/Recall_20/images/post/thumbup.gif)

I have question about the last page. Is that a sound effect in the black bubble? what does it translate to?

It's a scream...
Title: Re: Episode 355
Post by: CherryBlossoms on March 21, 2018, 09:53:21 AM
Everything about this episode was fantastic, but those last two double page spreads in particular blew me away. They kind of encapsulate the whole of Berserk for me - Guts and Griffith, dark and light, damaged and broken. I've never been so excited to see where the series is going!  :ubik:

(Also, this might be a stretch, but I recently watched Twin Peaks Season 3 and (Spoilers for the end of Twin Peaks incoming) the end of this episode really reminded me of the end of the show - a slow build to a climax that is released via the catharsis of a scream. Not saying they're all that similar really, but they both gave me a similar kind of feeling. )
Title: Re: Episode 355
Post by: The Beast of Darkness on March 21, 2018, 10:11:11 AM
Fantastic episode. And yes, her dress is (well, she is) beautiful.  :iva:
Damn.... Those double-pages with Guts and Casca, pure beauty.
As usual, I'll fully enjoy this episode when I'll receive my YA magazine.

(Also, this might be a stretch, but I recently watched Twin Peaks Season 3 and (Spoilers for the end of Twin Peaks incoming) the end of this episode really reminded me of the end of the show - a slow build to a climax that is released via the catharsis of a scream. Not saying they're all that similar really, but they both gave me a similar kind of feeling. )

It's exactly what it reminded me when I saw the last panels of this episode.
Same feeling too.
Title: Re: Episode 355
Post by: Truder on March 21, 2018, 10:22:36 AM
It's a scream...
Thanks Aaz. This might feel like the longest hiatus yet. :sad:
Title: Re: Episode 355
Post by: therevverend on March 21, 2018, 11:55:47 AM
Nice of the elf to magically remove all the burrs and gum from Casca's hair.
I take the dress as a sign that Guts may not be sleeping on the couch tonight?
I really have trouble with the verification tests. It takes me ten tries. I swear they put in blobs to make it harder.
Title: Re: Episode 355
Post by: CatBrains on March 21, 2018, 12:21:20 PM
And while we don't know what the next episode has in store for us, I think it has the potential for some touching moments and not just painful ones.

As many people have commented, Guts strikes quite the ominous image in full armor and armaments (obviously played up by Miura as well).  I wouldn't be surprised to see a scene where Guts removes all of this before approaching Casca again.  It could be quite powerful, seeing the Black Swordsman strip away the elements of his darkness, piece by piece.  It would work in a metaphorical sense as well.  Guts needs to make himself literally vulnerable in order to regain the intimacy he once had with Casca.
Title: Re: Episode 355
Post by: Aazealh on March 21, 2018, 12:29:56 PM
As many people have commented, Guts strikes quite the ominous image in full armor and armaments (obviously played up by Miura as well).  I wouldn't be surprised to see a scene where Guts removes all of this before approaching Casca again.  It could be quite powerful, seeing the Black Swordsman strip away the elements of his darkness, piece by piece.  It would work in a metaphorical sense as well.  Guts needs to make himself literally vulnerable in order to regain the intimacy he once had with Casca.

Indeed, I like that idea! It could even mark a sort of symbolic "end" to his quest for revenge (even though it effectively stopped long ago), a reverse of when he geared up and headed out (leaving Casca behind) in episode 93 and 94.
Title: Re: Episode 355
Post by: Urosh on March 21, 2018, 01:03:38 PM
That scream at the end, it reaches Laura Palmer's levels of terror! It's nauseating.

I wonder, will they get some alone time or will the girls and Danan kick in with some group therapy? Or maybe, Casca will just run away, screaming and crying, thinking about all that went down and then, a mysterious knight on horse will appear, saying: "I told him you might not agree with it" "Take heed, struggler, for now you live in the interstice". Wait, that's some déjà vu right there  :SK:
Title: Re: Episode 355
Post by: Salem on March 21, 2018, 01:04:32 PM
Unbelievable.  Emotionally crushing.  At work with Casca blushing at the question of Guts and I’m here tearing up.  That cliffhanger too.   :judo:
Title: Re: Episode 355
Post by: NCHaskew on March 21, 2018, 01:31:32 PM
Haha, you guys are so harsh with the dress! I actually really like it! :iva: And it does feel like a very elfish thing to do, too. Remember on the podcast when I said it could be kind of hellish for Casca if she had to go through the party where the elves would be like "you are going to have fun whether you want to or not"? Same kind of thing. Imposed romance. And yeah I have to agree with you guys, it seems clear Miura intentionally went for the most perfect reunion setting ever only to better subvert it.

My first thought was "holy crap, that's beautiful." Then my mind went "wait, but Casca hates dressing up." Then I realized Casca did lightly protest but Danan comically overruled her. So I gotta say, I love it.

As many people have commented, Guts strikes quite the ominous image in full armor and armaments (obviously played up by Miura as well).  I wouldn't be surprised to see a scene where Guts removes all of this before approaching Casca again.  It could be quite powerful, seeing the Black Swordsman strip away the elements of his darkness, piece by piece.  It would work in a metaphorical sense as well.  Guts needs to make himself literally vulnerable in order to regain the intimacy he once had with Casca.

I would also love to see that image--similar to when he sat on the ship without his gear, after having failed to save Casca falling into the water.

I also really want the scene where Guts goes up to meet Casca again in this vulnerable state, then have Danan whip up something fancy for him too  :ganishka: if only to see his reaction
Title: Re: Episode 355
Post by: Griffith on March 21, 2018, 02:34:47 PM
You know, personally I remain hopeful. I'm not crestfallen over this. I have never doubted that Guts and Casca will be able to enjoy their love eventually, and I'm not starting now. The way I see it, they are simply on a path towards that goal, and this is just another step along the way. And while we don't know what the next episode has in store for us, I think it has the potential for some touching moments and not just painful ones.

Yeah, I saw in your edit that it actually made you feel better to get that tease, or preview, of an unburdened Casca, but to me it was decidedly the opposite feeling. I was expecting her to be messed up coming out of this, but to get that tease and to look ahead, to look past it really, to them reuniting under those conditions only to have it shattered by the inevitable reality was so cruel. This isn't a complaint mind you, more that I'm impressed how Miura was able to shake up a moment of which we've spent decades imagining every possible permutation, and to make it truly jarring and harrowing in an unexpected way (hyper detailed gross Griff bod, comin' atcha! =).

(Also, this might be a stretch, but I recently watched Twin Peaks Season 3 and (Spoilers for the end of Twin Peaks incoming) the end of this episode really reminded me of the end of the show - a slow build to a climax that is released via the catharsis of a scream. Not saying they're all that similar really, but they both gave me a similar kind of feeling. )
That scream at the end, it reaches Laura Palmer's levels of terror! It's nauseating.

Alright, now I have to share this chain:

Yet, he somehow managed to subvert our long established expectations by rolling out the red carpet for us to consider and to some degree anticipate this perfect reunion, before completely pulling the rug out from under our feet! :ganishka: :mozgus: :judo:

(https://i.imgur.com/qfaDbj7.jpg)

 :iva:

(https://i.imgur.com/vmHCc2y.jpg)

:ganishka: That's perfect.
Title: Re: Episode 355
Post by: Urosh on March 21, 2018, 03:02:09 PM
That's quiet possibly the best crossover of any art ever.  :ubik:
Title: Re: Episode 355
Post by: Griffith on March 21, 2018, 03:58:49 PM
That's quiet possibly the best crossover of any art ever.  :ubik:

If only my photoshopping on the night had lived up to it, but I got lazy. BTW, I'd be remiss if I didn't share the other source image by Christiano Siqueira:

https://pro2-bar-s3-cdn-cf3.myportfolio.com/bddf55916dc1336d75ce51e2bff1fdbf/eb8037d2-e7b7-4877-950b-34f932e0a1d3_rw_1200.jpg

The whole series is totally worth checking out as well:

https://crisvector.myportfolio.com/twin-peaks


To get this back on topic, it was also partly inspired by the humor I found in the 'shop "fixing" Casca's face, like, "Here you go, how it really should have been!" :ganishka:

Also, great callback and point by Eluvei all these months later; Miura's gone LYNCH MODE on us (I knew this particular bemusing feeling was familiar =)! I'm just glad the corridor of dreams didn't end with Casca frantically staring into a mirror and then we never see her again, presumably ever. :iva:
Title: Re: Episode 355
Post by: Rhombaad on March 21, 2018, 06:56:19 PM
I felt truly crushed after reading the episode yesterday. The feeling stuck with me until I got home and showed my wife the Korean scans. Seeing it again and explaining what was going on based on Puella's translation, I felt much less sorrowful when I finished. This was inevitable, and while it was heartbreaking seeing what it might be like with Casca totally healed, only to have it ripped away again, it's necessary for her to experience the trauma she's avoided all these years.

I imagine the next episode will involve Guts rushing forward to comfort her with Danan, Farnese and Schierke intervening and telling Guts he needs to wait a little while longer. While it'll be tough on him, I imagine he'll consent and wander off to be alone (I can't see him going back to Roderick and Serpico, but maybe Puck will come find him?), leaving Casca in capable hands. I wonder if SK will make an appearance, like others have said, as well.
Title: Re: Episode 355
Post by: Griffith on March 21, 2018, 07:24:42 PM
I imagine the next episode will involve Guts rushing forward to comfort her with Danan, Farnese and Schierke intervening and telling Guts he needs to wait a little while longer. While it'll be tough on him, I imagine he'll consent and wander off to be alone (I can't see him going back to Roderick and Serpico, but maybe Puck will come find him?), leaving Casca in capable hands. I wonder if SK will make an appearance, like others have said, as well.

The potential parallels to their post-Eclipse reunion are ominous, but, even if Casca can't handle being around Guts at all right now, hopefully he's learned enough from before that and won't be impatient or get discouraged that things may not have quite worked out yet despite coming so far. I'm also interested to see what Casca does! She's not "Elaine" anymore watching a dream, she's got agency, so I'll be interested to see if the scream precipitates something of a temporary relapse where she shuts down, or if we're in for something more volatile. It'll also be interesting to get Guts' POV, effective choice to isolate him this episode, and I hope we see his side of that walk before the scream, even if it's not likely to make us feel any better about the whole thing.
Title: Re: Episode 355
Post by: Aazealh on March 21, 2018, 07:27:27 PM
[...] I'm impressed how Miura was able to shake up a moment of which we've spent decades imagining every possible permutation, and to make it truly jarring and harrowing in an unexpected way (hyper detailed gross Griff bod, comin' atcha! =).

That big page spread of Griffith lying in his cell is definitely the most intriguing part of the episode to me. It's interesting because one could view it as superfluous: Casca could see Guts surrounded by the scenery of the Eclipse, then cut to her screaming. But Miura chose to insert that specific shot in-between, as if maybe to show the reader that she's not just screaming at Guts, but because (some of?) her traumatic memories have resurfaced.

The choice of that specific moment makes me wonder if there's a chronological thing going on, aside from the Eclipse trigger with Guts. Is she going to go through the Wyald fight, the struggles against the apostles, the rape by Femto and then her child's tragic birth? Or has it all come back already? Or will it be slower, more progressive? Hard to say at this point. Anyway, seeing this picture of Griffith did bring to my mind this panel of Casca, from right after she sees him in that state. Looking at it, I think it's hard to dispute that this specific shot of him is an appropriate "beginning" for her trauma.

(http://aazealh.net/Divers/Casca-Panic-Vol10.jpg)

It'll also be interesting to get Guts' POV, effective choice to isolate him this episode, and I hope we see his side of that walk before the scream, even if it's not likely to make us feel any better about the whole thing.

Yeah, I've been thinking it'd be nice if the next episode were to open with that or really just feature it as some point. While his ponderous walk looks ominous in this episode, it might be very different from his perspective, i.e. bracing himself, lost in thought with his hopes and doubts, or even fighting back tears, who knows?
Title: Re: Episode 355
Post by: Khalamir on March 21, 2018, 07:44:52 PM
Good god, this episode. Even though Guts and Casca's reunion not being all sunshine and rainbows was already foreshadowed so much, Miura still manages to lure us into a false sense of security for a bit. I'm really anxious about what's going to happen next. Things are no doubt going to get really depressing, but who knows, maybe it won't be all bad.
But you know, it feels really weird to have Casca back now. She's been like that for most of the manga after all. I almost can't believe it finally happened (I say that, but I've only been following the manga for about 2 years, and compared to some of the other users here that's nothing  :ganishka:)

Also, everyone is talking about how good Casca looks in that dress (and she does!) but what do you think she thinks about it, exactly? Obviously she's not all like "omg it's beautiful I love it" but do you think that maybe she doesn't outright hate it, either? I think she would have protested much more strongly if she did. To me she to be more mixed/conflicted about it than anything, but I'm not sure.

I also really want the scene where Guts goes up to meet Casca again in this vulnerable state, then have Danan whip up something fancy for him too  :ganishka: if only to see his reaction

Well, we're already past the point where that would be fitting, but I agree. I would have loved to see his reaction to that. Although I hope she would have been able to change it back, otherwise it would be problematic if the berserker armor was permanently turned into a fairy style tux or something.
Title: Re: Episode 355
Post by: Aazealh on March 21, 2018, 08:04:52 PM
Also, everyone is talking about how good Casca looks in that dress (and she does!) but what do you think she thinks about it, exactly? Obviously she's not all like "omg it's beautiful I love it" but do you think that maybe she doesn't outright hate it, either? I think she would have protested much more strongly if she did. To me she to be more mixed/conflicted about it than anything, but I'm not sure.

I don't think she hates it, it's just not the kind of attire she's most comfortable with. But obviously given the situation this isn't a big deal to her.
Title: Re: Episode 355
Post by: Urosh on March 21, 2018, 10:30:22 PM
Also, everyone is talking about how good Casca looks in that dress (and she does!) but what do you think she thinks about it, exactly?
Her looks remind me a lot of Prome, really cute overall. It's obvious that Danan has a real knack for fashion  :iva:
What I think she feels is social awkwardness whenever it comes to her femininity, a nice call back to the time she wore that fancy dress, which made Guts drop his jaw.  :beast:  :farnese:
Title: Re: Episode 355
Post by: Walter on March 22, 2018, 01:07:11 AM
it almost felt like Miura was commenting on the whole idea of having Casca back, and how, as readers, we're simultaneously wanting her to be reunited with Guts and "normal" again, when really, she needs time to process what's happened to her. In some ways, maybe we're like Danan, poofing poor Casca into a wedding dress in our minds! :ganishka:

She's an elf after all  :iva: I found her antics pretty funny, myself. She's rushing to the romantic conclusion, when clearly there's still a mountain to climb before we get there.

Anyway, seeing this picture of Griffith did bring to my mind this panel of Casca, from right after she sees him in that state. Looking at it, I think it's hard to dispute that this specific shot of him is an appropriate "beginning" for her trauma.

Interesting. That also lines up with where Casca says her memory from that time starts to taper off — the Tower of Rebirth.
Title: Re: Episode 355
Post by: Griffith on March 22, 2018, 03:03:09 AM
The choice of that specific moment makes me wonder if there's a chronological thing going on, aside from the Eclipse trigger with Guts. Is she going to go through the Wyald fight, the struggles against the apostles, the rape by Femto and then her child's tragic birth? Or has it all come back already? Or will it be slower, more progressive? Hard to say at this point. Anyway, seeing this picture of Griffith did bring to my mind this panel of Casca, from right after she sees him in that state. Looking at it, I think it's hard to dispute that this specific shot of him is an appropriate "beginning" for her trauma.
Interesting. That also lines up with where Casca says her memory from that time starts to taper off — the Tower of Rebirth.

Yeah, that line/reveal about going to save Griff stuck out, especially after that two page horror spread. It seems evident the Casca they spoke to in that moment was relatively trauma free or oblivious, like plucked out of time and remembering the good times, both from her previous life and while trapped in Elaine (Guts own transgressions aren't triggers or otherwise addressed either). Until she saw Guts and then the trauma, at least the beginnings of it, "Last thing I recall we went to save Griffith; how'd that work out!?" came flooding back. Interesting that we see the big picture first with the Eclipse, then back relatively to where she said she left off. I wonder if it ALL came back at once in that moment when she screamed or if it's going to be more complicated and arduous as Aaz alluded. In any case, despite all we've already seen her go through, it seems as though it's all going to be fresh.

I don't think she hates it, it's just not the kind of attire she's most comfortable with. But obviously given the situation this isn't a big deal to her.

Even that reaction was more reminiscent of better times, the nature of her objection recalling her complaint about wearing a dress at the ball, rather than someone that had just been through hell and come out on the other side. Hell awaits, apparently.

Boy, I'm cheerful. :ganishka: On a lighter note, echoing Aaz's initial perspective, it was great to have the old Casca back unburdened by everything, even for a little while.
Title: Re: Episode 355
Post by: Skeleton on March 22, 2018, 05:39:16 AM
Wonderful episode. Casca’s complicated feelings regarding Griffith have me very interested in, and a bit nervous about, how this will all play out. There’s a 0% chance it’ll happen, but personally I hope the memories come back chronologically and slowly. I’d like Casca’s devotion to Griffith to return, her worrying about Griffith’s well-being, realizing (and then accepting) the horror of what he did, and then having Casca’s old devotion be transformed into a strength. In the vein of the old Casca who was a highly skilled soldier, commander of men, and leader of the army when the shit hit the fan, I’d like to see her devotion transformed into responsibility-driven resolve. A “Griffith was the god we served and propped up, our god turned out to be an evil shithead, so it’s on us to ‘right the wrong’” kind of mentality.

TL;DR: I’m genuinely happy we have Casca back, and I can’t wait to see how this goes.
Title: Re: Episode 355
Post by: Aazealh on March 22, 2018, 10:27:49 AM
it was great to have the old Casca back unburdened by everything, even for a little while.

Yeah, and I found great joy in the little things. Like how she speaks, for example. She talks like Guts, straightforwardly, without using honorifics. She tells the girls to just call her Casca (no "san" or what have you) and says she wants to call them like that as well. These details mean a lot to me, they make me even more eager to see her back in action.
Title: Re: Episode 355
Post by: Giovanna on March 22, 2018, 02:14:15 PM
Wow. Dunno what to say, so I will just asked something slightly out of topic: I’m in Japan right now (lucky!) and was curious to know if I will be able to find this Young Animal tomorrow in any convenience store? Because it says the release is tomorrow, even though it’s the 13th of April release  :???: Can’t wait to read those pages again!
Title: Re: Episode 355
Post by: Walter on March 22, 2018, 02:19:45 PM
Wow. Dunno what to say, so I will just asked something slightly out of topic: I’m in Japan right now (lucky!) and was curious to know if I will be able to find this Young Animal tomorrow in any convenience store? Because it says the release is tomorrow, even though it’s the 18th of April release  :???: Can’t wait to read those pages again!

Almost. You're looking for the latest YA edition, (the one with this cover (http://www.younganimal.com/img/magazine.jpg)) with a release date of 3/23. It's confusing, but the magazine is dated April 13, because that's just how they market it. Consider that these things live on store shelves for a few weeks. So it's like a new car, where it's always dated in the future so as not to appear stale.
Title: Re: Episode 355
Post by: Giovanna on March 22, 2018, 02:32:10 PM
Almost. You're looking for the latest YA edition, (the one with this cover (http://www.younganimal.com/img/magazine.jpg)) with a release date of 3/23. It's confusing, but the magazine is dated April 13, because that's just how they market it. Consider that these things live on store shelves for a few weeks. So it's like a car, where it's always dated in the future so as not to appear stale.

Aaah, thanks Walter! Weird indeed, but anyway I will look for it! For sure I will get some funny looks buying a magazine with such a cover, but whatever :ganishka:
Title: Re: Episode 355
Post by: Mangetsu on March 22, 2018, 11:09:23 PM
Miuras comment

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Title: Re: Episode 355
Post by: Walter on March 22, 2018, 11:23:38 PM
Miuras comment

Thanks! Pretty sure he's  cheering that Casca is finally speaking after 22 years.  :ubik:
Title: Re: Episode 355
Post by: ambientshanks on March 23, 2018, 02:24:08 AM
Wow! That was a beautiful episode. The artwork combined with the narration makes the emotions so tangible, especially the snapshots of her memories. I can literally feel her nostalgia. I really loved the large image of Casca tearing from the mention of Guts, as it wonderfully depicts her longing and love for him. The other thing I liked was how Miura unveiled so many emotional states of Casca in one episode: happiness, introspection, confidence, and fearfulness. Sorry if this was already mentioned by someone, but this episode really brought me out of my cave and I had to share my excitement! Can't wait for 356  :serpico:
Title: Re: Episode 355
Post by: mahlernut on March 23, 2018, 04:05:00 AM
Well damn.  That's enough of a reason to post for the first time in, like, 10 years.   :???:

Sometimes art reflects life maybe a little more closely than you're prepared for!  I helped to care for someone from when they were born up through childhood, was separated for years and years, and didn't see her again until she was in her 20s.  Meeting her again was painful and frightening and amazing - a person who was always a child in my mind was, in an instant, an adult...who talks and has opinions and a whole life of experiences they you knowing almost nothing about.  That gap, and the bridge over it, is exactly what Farnese is looking at right now.  Even if Casca felt like she was asleep or dreaming, she was always "Casca" to herself in some sense.  But for Farnese - just a day earlier, she held Casca's hand to lead her, she protected her, she helped feed her; even while in Casca's mindscape, she still held and shielded that little piece of Casca.  But in the blink of an eye, Casca doesn't need her anymore...not in the same way.  Farnese's still never really had a healthy relationship with an equal; she's Schierke's student, she's desperate to prove herself to Guts, she and Serpico...well...that's super weird and complicated.  I can only imagine that it's going to be very hard for her to really understand that Casca doesn't have to need her to accept her. 

I've always liked Farnese through all her changes and growth, but even though it was inevitable in a sense, I'm still surprised that she's become the character here that I can personally relate to.  Putting aside all the torturing and burning.   :o

Or maybe that's all projection and it'll all be so much simpler than what's going to be happening with Casca and Guts that spending too much time on it will just detract.  In any case, Casca's going to go through hell having to make her worst memories part of herself now that she has no choice, and I doubt that Guts will be able to handle that all by himself; he's part of that hell, even though it's not his fault.  So even if Casca doesn't need Farnese, she's probably going to desperately need a friend.

I really love this manga.
Title: Re: Episode 355
Post by: NCHaskew on March 23, 2018, 04:25:57 AM
Farnese's still never really had a healthy relationship with an equal; she's Schierke's student, she's desperate to prove herself to Guts, she and Serpico...well...that's super weird and complicated.  I can only imagine that it's going to be very hard for her to really understand that Casca doesn't have to need her to accept her. 

I'm reading through for the second time, and that really struck me way harder. It is really interesting to see how submissive Farnese ended up being for the group. Though I do think Casca's going to be dependent on her and Schierke while she confronts her trauma. After that, it'll be interesting to see how their relationship evolves.

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I really love this manga.

Me too, fellow Struggler. I've got less than 4 years under my viewership belt, but it's still been magnificent to follow these incredible characters in this breathtaking world.
Title: Re: Episode 355
Post by: Mangetsu on March 23, 2018, 10:21:03 AM
I still can't get over how genius the use of Guts was in this episode. His portrayal really went beyond my expectations. Not showing his reaction or his emotions as he approaches Casca and focusing on her, while using him as a trigger for her to remember the memories she suppresed was a great move by Miura. I had high expectations for this occasion, but Miura definitely surpassed them.

Im also glad with the route that Miura chose for Casca when it came to her remembering her experiences as Elaine. The way she described her state of mind makes the dream world seem even more special.

Title: Re: Episode 355
Post by: Menosgade on March 23, 2018, 12:39:02 PM
Well, so much was already said here, but I'd like to point out that I didn't expect Casca to talk and remember things so fast. Also, she actualy took the lead by greeting Farnese and Schierke and told them about her feelings by her own will. A touch of her sympathy we already know. It's refreshing to see her back as she is.
Title: Re: Episode 355
Post by: BiQ-- on March 23, 2018, 02:05:00 PM
I don't know about you guys but honestly, this episode has been everything I think of at any moment real life lets me think of something else beside work and home matters. I feel like I still haven't processed the fact that she's really, finally, back. And her happy-to-tears smile...  :casca:

And, yes, the last pages are still haunting and painful. But they are also very real, and honestly, if it had been just a perfect reunion with all sappiness and sugar and kisses, it would have been ... cheap, considering all the things that still need to be addressed, so of course it wouldn't go that way... yet.

I'm already beginning to imagine what the vol 40 cover is going to look like...
Title: Re: Episode 355
Post by: Truder on March 23, 2018, 03:04:52 PM
I'd like to point out that I didn't expect Casca to talk and remember things so fast. Also, she actualy took the lead by greeting Farnese and Schierke and told them about her feelings by her own will
Me neither, but she remembers her most recent life better than her old one apparently, and that helps move the dialogue forward. No "W-where am I? W-who are you?" She already knows. :casca:
Title: Re: Episode 355
Post by: Griffith on March 23, 2018, 05:00:26 PM
Me neither, but she remembers her most recent life better than her old one apparently, and that helps move the dialogue forward. No "W-where am I? W-who are you?" She already knows. :casca:

I agree with your larger point about the effectiveness of her not being dazed or confused, though I wouldn't say that she remembers her recent life "better" than her old. It seems her memory of her old life is just fine up to a point, specifically until the trauma that left her unable to cope began, indicating it was blocked out specifically for that reason and wasn't just a coincidental hole in her memory.

I'm also curious to see if this extends to her time as "Elaine" as well, but it wasn't clear to me if she was recalling everything from then because the closest thing we see to something traumatic is the trolls and Guts protecting her from ghosts and zealots (which are only implied or firmly in the background), and, perhaps most glaringly, there's no post-Incarnation Griffith either. He naturally seems to be central to this blind spot, and thus why we see an overwhelming closeup of his destroyed body, and perhaps everything that became of him and her, as the revelation precipitating her scream.
Title: Re: Episode 355
Post by: Walter on March 23, 2018, 06:38:19 PM
perhaps most glaringly, there's no post-Incarnation Griffith either. He naturally seems to be central to this blind spot, and thus why we see an overwhelming closeup of his destroyed body, and perhaps everything that became of him and her, as the revelation precipitating her scream.

You raise a good point here -- her experiences as Elaine were in her own words something she didn't "feel" or "think" through. It would be like watching it on TV, unable to react at the moment. We saw how Elaine reacted upon seeing Griffith, and because we have privileged information, we know that reaction on the Hill of Swords was the result of her sensing her child. But how would the real Casca have felt about that moment? Given its absence here it would make sense for the memory of that exchange to be tucked away as well. It would likely be a continuation of her trauma from the Eclipse, given how tainted her image of Griffith must be at this point.
Title: Re: Episode 355
Post by: Aazealh on March 23, 2018, 06:52:08 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DY7NsFqV4AAc2Vf.jpg)

Walter was right on the money. Miura's comment is: She talks. The heroine talks for the first time in 22 years. (˚▽˚)

Or maybe that's all projection and it'll all be so much simpler than what's going to be happening with Casca and Guts that spending too much time on it will just detract.

No, I agree with you. I've said so many times before: I believe Casca's restoration will fundamentally alter the group dynamics, and everyone will be affected to some extent. Farnese most of all, of course, but not only. I think it's also time Serpico gets out of his funk, for example.

I'm already beginning to imagine what the vol 40 cover is going to look like...

I for one would like it to be Casca in that dress. After so long, she deserves it.

I'm also curious to see if this extends to her time as "Elaine" as well, but it wasn't clear to me if she was recalling everything from then

This is based on the Korean version, so I can't guarantee the accuracy, but she says her memories are vague around the time she fell asleep in a way that could mean she doesn't remember what happened immediately after (i.e. her giving birth). I think that's worth keeping in mind, in addition to Walter's excellent point just above.
Title: Re: Episode 355
Post by: Archer1215 on March 23, 2018, 10:54:41 PM
No, I agree with you. I've said so many times before: I believe Casca's restoration will fundamentally alter the group dynamics, and everyone will be affected to some extent. Farnese most of all, of course, but not only. I think it's also time Serpico gets out of his funk, for example.

I had the same thought. There is plenty of room for Serpico to grow as a character with his emancipation from Farnese’s service as her protector. Casca has been in a similar position when she had devoted her life to being Griffith’s sword. Even though there situations were quite a bit different from one another, I think it would be really cool if Casca were to have a talk with Serpico about he value of finding something for one’s self rather than devoting one’s life to another ultimately played a part in kickstarting his next character arc (along with Farnese herself releasing him from her service of course). There is a lot of potential for a really cool relationship between Casca and Serpico.

I also really want there to be some sort of relationship between Casca and Isidro. Isidro is my favorite character in the series, and his development in Vrittanis was the peak of his character IMO. I loved how his childish view of the path of a swordsman was challenged by interactions with Mule, and his bearing witness to the duel between Guts and Serpico. His idealization of the life of a mercenary/swordsman will no doubt be challenged in the future, and I could definitely see Casca playing a part in helping him grow and deal with these things as he encounters them. Sort of like a big sister, or another role model alongside Guts.

I for one would like it to be Casca in that dress. After so long, she deserves it.

What if it’s a parallel cover to Volume 20? Only this time with a brighter aesthetic and Casca wearing her dress. Instead of holding the winged baby, she would be holding her heart covered in thorns. And instead of her eyes being closed, they are slightly open as if she were awakening from a sleep.
Title: Re: Episode 355
Post by: Aazealh on March 23, 2018, 11:24:22 PM
What if it’s a parallel cover to Volume 20? Only this time with a brighter aesthetic and Casca wearing her dress. Instead of holding the winged baby, she would be holding her heart covered in thorns. And instead of her eyes being closed, they are slightly open as if she were awakening from a sleep.

Yeah the idea of a mirror cover crossed my mind. That'd be cool, although a new one would be neat as well.
Title: Re: Episode 355
Post by: stein on March 24, 2018, 01:13:49 AM
This was touched on a bit, but one thing I'm unsure of is the nature of Casca's reaction to Guts.  Is this going to have lasting implications on her attitude towards him, or was he merely a catalyst for the resurgence of her traumatic memories?  I'm leaning towards this not really impacting their relationship at all, and this is merely Casca's true realization, similar to Guts' when he first awoke after the eclipse.  I don't think Guts will be a source of her PTSD, but I think he will invoke feelings of deep sadness in her.  That was one hell of a way to lose an arm and an eye, all while watching her rape.  In any case, a lot of people in other forums and what not seem to think there will be some huge wall between them (or the usual ridiculous shenanigans of Casca returning to Griffith).  I'm just not seeing Guts and his relation to the Eclipse as something that will get between them, at least not significantly.

As for the art, I honestly think Miura is always improving.  Casca is beautiful (I love her dress and braids), the art is beautiful, and the manga just keeps getting better.
Title: Re: Episode 355
Post by: Griffith on March 24, 2018, 01:51:33 AM
Given its absence here it would make sense for the memory of that exchange to be tucked away as well. It would likely be a continuation of her trauma from the Eclipse, given how tainted her image of Griffith must be at this point.

That's what I'm thinking, that Casca didn't seem to know what became of Griffith (she had no reaction to saying his name), or couldn't process it, until right now. By that token, if that's the case her image of him wouldn't actually have been tainted until this moment, and that could create some sudden and very painful cognitive dissonance. She was on her way to saving her hero as if she were still the Casca from volume 10 and the next instant he's literally her worst monster. We'll see.

Walter was right on the money. Miura's comment is: She talks. The heroine talks for the first time in 22 years. (˚▽˚)

Miura: he's just like us! :ubik:

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I for one would like it to be Casca in that dress. After so long, she deserves it.

Deserves to be in an outfit she objected to!? :troll: The petals would be a cool parallel with Griffith's feathers on volume 21... then again,  maybe not such a good thing right now! I'd like to see her in some new armor myself. The Dame of Skeleton!? :SK: *wishful thinking*

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she says her memories are vague around the time she fell asleep in a way that could mean she doesn't remember what happened immediately after (i.e. her giving birth). I think that's worth keeping in mind, in addition to Walter's excellent point just above.

*cough*Griff'spointtoo*cough* Didn't she also say she was remembering more about her and Elaine's life as she approached Guts, or was that more like she was just actively thinking of it then (could be the same difference; not "lost," but not at the front of her mind). It'll be interesting to see what memories are revelations in the next episode, was it just the time around the Eclipse, or will we see all the bad stuff as Elaine too? If it's the former it'll give me hope that Guts was just the missing piece that brought everything back, mainly how monsterous Griffith is, and the big guy won't be caught up in a general "male betrayel" data dump in her brain. Ugh, there could be some ugly, unexplored stuff in there too, like a flashback of her locked up alone in the cave for months. Even Farnese could take a hit as well from her actions as leader of the HICKs, and/or her and Schierke now that she may better understand the extent and ramifications of what they've done. Basically, all the possibilities we've previously discussed and Miura deftly subverted.

Casca was so damn reasonable and understanding of everything at the outset though that, along with what we've observed about her memories, I'm  feeling a lot better about the prospect of all this all coming back to and landing on Griffith sooner rather than later. Or maybe I selfishly want to see Guts and Casca embrace as soon as possible. :sad:

I'm just not seeing Guts and his relation to the Eclipse as something that will get between them, at least not significantly.

I don't think she's going to hold the Eclipse against him either, even if he reminds her of it, but perhaps some of his questionable decisions and actions afterward. We'll hopefully know pretty quickly in the next episode if that's all something that's just flooding back or if she already knew but was ready to forgive him.
Title: Re: Episode 355
Post by: stein on March 24, 2018, 02:05:27 AM
I don't think she's going to hold the Eclipse against him either, even if he reminds her of it, but perhaps some of his questionable decisions afterward. We'll hopefully know pretty quickly in the next episode if that's all something that just came flooding back or if she already knew but was ready to forgive him for.

I suppose that depends on how she recalls those events.  As a fellow eclipse survivor, if she is able to comprehend everything post eclipse with the big picture in mind I think she'll sympathize with much of the way Guts acted.  However if she recalls events sporadically and without context I definitely could see there being issues.  It's already a miracle that Guts was a functional (semi-functional) human-being after the eclipse.
Title: Re: Episode 355
Post by: Griffith on March 24, 2018, 02:17:38 AM
I suppose that depends on how she recalls those events.  As a fellow eclipse survivor, if she is able to comprehend everything post eclipse with the big picture in mind I think she'll sympathize with much of the way Guts acted.  However if she recalls events sporadically and without context I definitely could see there being issues.

Context could go both ways too, like will Guts bad actions seem even worse in association with the memories of the Eclipse, etc all presented together at once, or as points on some trauma continuum. That shot of him at the center of the Eclipse wasn't a great omen.

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It's already a miracle that Guts was a functional (semi-functional) human-being after the eclipse.

That could very well go for Casca now as well. I'll be curious to see if she has some level of detachment and perspective given how she's accesding this information after the fact... Or, if it's like it's happening to her all over again all at once. Again,  the scream is a bad sign.
Title: Re: Episode 355
Post by: stein on March 24, 2018, 02:45:34 AM
Context could go both ways too, like will Guts bad actions seem even worse in association with the memories of the Eclipse, etc all presented together at once, or as points on some trauma continuum. That shot of him at the center of the Eclipse wasn't a great omen.

Indeed, it is certainly complex.  I guess Miura could end up  making Casca hate or fear Guts again due to those events...it's just that I don't see it lasting long, especially considering we've already dealt with that for years now from Elaine.  I'm seeing bigger issues ahead for the group in the long run.  I will say depicting him at the center of the Eclipse was curious.  I see it more as the memories of the eclipse radiating out from Guts as a catalyst, rather than him being some big central evil or trauma for the whole affair.  And honestly, I'd be surprised if Casca didn't react with some sort of scream or other traumatic response after comprehending those memories.
Title: Re: Episode 355
Post by: Griffith on March 24, 2018, 03:27:59 AM
Indeed, it is certainly complex.  I guess Miura could end up  making Casca hate or fear Guts again due to those events...it's just that I don't see it lasting long, especially considering we've already dealt with that for years now from Elaine.

Yeah, I don't think she'll really fear or hate him either because she's rational now and knows he doesn't want to hurt her, but she could understandably be hurt or angry about it.

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I will say depicting him at the center of the Eclipse was curious.  I see it more as the memories of the eclipse radiating out from Guts as a catalyst, rather than him being some big central evil or trauma for the whole affair.  And honestly, I'd be surprised if Casca didn't react with some sort of scream or other traumatic response after comprehending those memories.

Right, it's really about her and how she's going to feel post-Eclipse, like what Guts went through in his own way. So, despite being the catalyst, or just the last piece, I don't think poor Guts will end up at the center of this either, merely a big part of it, but hopefully due to his importance to her.
Title: Re: Episode 355
Post by: mahlernut on March 24, 2018, 03:59:43 AM
I would've been pretty worried if Casca hadn't screamed, really - this is the first time she's been able to react to anything that's happened to her.  She was pretty much unconscious by the time Griffith dropped her to the ground after he'd raped her, and it seems likely to me that she was already locked down by the time she woke up afterward.  I mean, Guts woke up from the Eclipse only thinking about Casca as well.  It took a little time...and the realization of what was left of her...before he started running and screaming and crying blood. 

What I'm wondering is, will she get angry as the memories come back to her, or just collapse?  She did the latter the first time, and not without good reason, but I'd like to see some of the former too.  She used to kill the hell outta dudes for a living; her reaction to being attacked was to stab people through the face, or she'd never have survived.  All the ceaseless exhaustion and general nightmarishness she suffered after Guts and Griffith both abandoned the the Band had worn her beyond ragged by the time the Eclipse started.  It'd be nice to see some of the soldier in her again now that she's had a nice long rest.

If nothing else, if she goes on a marathon sprint like Guts did, Danan's dress is perfect for it, being split straight down the middle like it is. Not great if modesty's your thing, but a lot less impractical than the last dress Casca had to wear.
Title: Re: Episode 355
Post by: Griffith on March 24, 2018, 04:56:34 AM
What I'm wondering is, will she get angry as the memories come back to her, or just collapse?  She did the latter the first time, and not without good reason, but I'd like to see some of the former too.

Hopefully the memories shouldn't hurt her the same way the physical events did, which I would think would be the mitigating distinction everything else being equal in her mind, otherwise this would be for nothing. Speaking of the "good reason" you mentioned though, something we now know that I thought about a lot during the corridor of dreams sequence, from how all that trauma was internalized inside her, was how badly Guts was affected by the wound inflicted by Slan, both physically and ethereally. Even when the wound was physically healed, it was still a part of him and would reopen, it went right to the core of his being. Now imagine that sort of damage and trauma but applied to what happened to Casca under the circumstances it did. Considering that, the fact that she survived at all might be the most fantastic feat of strength displayed in the whole series.
Title: Re: Episode 355
Post by: NCHaskew on March 24, 2018, 05:11:32 AM
What I'm wondering is, will she get angry as the memories come back to her, or just collapse?  She did the latter the first time, and not without good reason, but I'd like to see some of the former too.  She used to kill the hell outta dudes for a living; her reaction to being attacked was to stab people through the face, or she'd never have survived.  All the ceaseless exhaustion and general nightmarishness she suffered after Guts and Griffith both abandoned the the Band had worn her beyond ragged by the time the Eclipse started.  It'd be nice to see some of the soldier in her again now that she's had a nice long rest.

I think it'd be cool for her processing to be similar to post-Eclipse Guts. Having a Casca-style Black Swordsman Arc, where she's feeling murderous and suppressing her feelings. But unlike Guts, she'll have a group to help her lower those walls right from the start. And Guts himself to warn her that running around with a murder-boner isn't the best way to deal with her problems. Well, not all her problems.
Title: Re: Episode 355
Post by: Menosgade on March 24, 2018, 10:45:06 AM
Considering that, the fact that she survived at all might be the most fantastic feat of strength displayed in the whole series.

Guts not having tendinites is also impressive  :ubik:

I think it'd be cool for her processing to be similar to post-Eclipse Guts. Having a Casca-style Black Swordsman Arc, where she's feeling murderous and suppressing her feelings. But unlike Guts, she'll have a group to help her lower those walls right from the start. And Guts himself to warn her that running around with a murder-boner isn't the best way to deal with her problems. Well, not all her problems.

I'd say it's more likely she goes other way. Two reasons you already mentioned - the group and Guts' own experiences. We have never seen Casca "going berserk". All the moments she was under heavy stress, she mostly keep it to herself. And Guts was usually the one who would trigger a reaction, a bad one. But, we never see her going on an insane charge like Guts did. Perhaps, after she learns how to deal with her pains and memories, we might see bitterness growing in her. Towards Femto and his actions, that is.
Title: Re: Episode 355
Post by: MrFlibble on March 24, 2018, 03:00:48 PM
Walter was right on the money. Miura's comment is: She talks. The heroine talks for the first time in 22 years. (˚▽˚)
Confirmed plot armour, we can all relax.  :iva:
Title: Re: Episode 355
Post by: Lord Leith on March 24, 2018, 05:02:23 PM
Its a lil late for me to say this but I just noticed, where is Guts' white streak of hair? I'd be willing to say Miura deliberately obfuscated his appearance like a silhouette this episode to emphasize Casca's own perspective from afar (not knowing or seeing any of his scars and white hair until the next episode when her reaction to his new appearance is revealed, such as how his cape/cloak hides his metal arm) but his hair is also black on the cover for Vol 39 so now I'm not sure. It would be a strange mistake considering he worked on the guidebook around the same time which does feature the white streak on its cover, sorry for me rambling on about such a small detail (above all else Im just glad to see Casca back) but consistency matters a lot to me.

Edit: Someone on the Berserk reddit theorizes that the way Guts is depicted here is simply showing how Casca remembers him until they're up close (i.e. Golden Age Guts from a distance, Fantasia Arc Guts up close whose scarred body reminds her of the eclipse and Griffith's mangled body, makes sense) but that still doesn't explain the cover to me.
Title: Re: Episode 355
Post by: Griffith on March 24, 2018, 05:50:10 PM
We've got plot armor and head canon back to back here! :ganishka: :schierke:

I, uh, kind if object to both, even jokingly. Casca's not really in any mortal danger at the moment, far less than usual (plus her character has obviously been silent for 22 years, so that's some shit "armor").

As for the hair, Guts clearly got special elf hair dye for men while Casca was being treated! :carcus: I can actually see why Miura wouldn't highlight it here because Guts' face is somewhat shaded and it's sort of an odd thing to contrast when he's partially silhouetted anyway (I guess it could be dark gray). Or, he just forgot like on the cover! He'd been drawing him a certain way for 30 years and hadn't drawn him like that in 6 episodes (if that even matters), so I wonder if he regrets making that change or if he was maybe bored when he did (obviously it has more bearing on Guts than aesthetics, but that's what we're talking about). I guess we'll find out if Guts hair gets cured before they go, but my guess would be it gets whiter before it gets darker for plot purposes. :SK:
Title: Re: Episode 355
Post by: Walter on March 24, 2018, 06:28:40 PM
Right, it's really about her and how she's going to feel post-Eclipse, like what Guts went through in his own way. So, despite being the catalyst, or just the last piece, I don't think poor Guts will end up at the center of this either, merely a big part of it, but hopefully due to his importance to her.

It's too soon to say, but I think the way Guts was used in this episode as the trigger for her darkest memories could end up just being a role in this scene alone, not as a burdening reminder of those times. This episode was about her coming to terms with her past, and the worst parts all flooded back at once upon seeing Guts. Now those memories are back. But that could really be it.

It'd be nice to see some of the soldier in her again now that she's had a nice long rest.

*Casca is sprinting through the forest of Elfhelm.*
*A brownie sweeping the floor gets in her way.*
*He doesn't last long.*

we never see her going on an insane charge like Guts did.

I dunno, she charged Guts blindly and ended up stabbing him in Vol 9. Did that count?

Having a Casca-style Black Swordsman Arc, where she's feeling murderous and suppressing her feelings. But unlike Guts, she'll have a group to help her lower those walls right from the start.

Right and Casca is a completely different person from Guts. Already, trauma affected them differently. I don't see any reason they'd be faced with the exact same stumbling blocks when coping with it.

Confirmed plot armour, we can all relax.  :iva:

Uhhh, were there serious discussions about Casca dying after all the labor and time involved in bringing her back...?

Edit: Someone on the Berserk reddit theorizes that the way Guts is depicted here is simply showing how Casca remembers him until they're up close (i.e. Golden Age Guts from a distance, Fantasia Arc Guts up close whose scarred body reminds her of the eclipse and Griffith's mangled body, makes sense) but that still doesn't explain the cover to me.

That idea is really misguided, too. Guts is wearing the Berserk Armor, has the Dragon Slayer. So much for seeing past Guts! It's a convoluted notion someone cooked up while trying to figure out why they can't quite see Guts' white streak (it's in shadow, like half of his head). And by page 2 of 356, that guy's going to feel pretty stupid. ("oh the hair was white all along? yeah well who cares"). Miura doesn't pull twists like that. If he wanted to go that route, it would have been Guts in Golden Age gear to accentuate what's happening. Otherwise this bizarre effect would be lost in confusion.
Title: Re: Episode 355
Post by: Griffith on March 24, 2018, 06:47:23 PM
Uhhh, were there serious discussions about Casca dying after all the labor and time involved in bringing her back...?

She's gonna go running to her true love Griffith so he can reject and finish her off once and for all! This is the harsh reality of the no holds barred manga murderpiece BERZERK, bro! Sorry Casca, you gettin' B'ZERKED!

It's too soon to say, but I think the way Guts was used in this episode as the trigger for her darkest memories could end up just being a role in this scene alone, not as a burdening reminder of those times. This episode was about her coming to terms with her past, and the worst parts all flooded back at once upon seeing Guts. Now those memories are back. But that could really be it.

That's my hope as well, and would mean we could actually see Guts helping and them reconciling immediately. I would understand the choice if Miura deemed it necessary and I'm sure it would be effective and all the more rewarding in the end, but I really dont require anymore extended estrangement between these two! Miura is clearly aware of the time passed as well and it would be consistent with how he's been getting right to the point with Casca's return and reintegration if she's still able to accept Guts after this (she's already besties with Schierke and Farnese, her first girlfriends, hope it wasn't a tease =). Best case scenario: they embrace into a crumpled puddle of tears on the floor together. :judo:
Title: Re: Episode 355
Post by: Lord Leith on March 24, 2018, 06:54:57 PM
That idea is really misguided, too. Guts is wearing the Berserk Armor, has the Dragon Slayer. So much for seeing past Guts! It's a convoluted notion someone cooked up while trying to figure out why they can't quite see Guts' white streak (it's in shadow, like half of his head). And by page 2 of 356, that guy's going to feel pretty stupid. ("oh the hair was white all along? yeah well who cares"). Miura doesn't pull twists like that. If he wanted to go that route, it would have been Guts in Golden Age gear to accentuate what's happening. Otherwise this bizarre effect would be lost in confusion.

You're taking it too literally lol, obviously Guts isn't dressed like he was in the Golden Age or exactly the same but that's not the point, its more so that physically all the key signifiers of post eclipse Guts are absent (i.e. his eyes aren't shown, the white streak is absent, his scars and metal arm are hidden) in the mind's eye of Casca since thats how she last remembers him in the Golden Age (which is why I said her perspective from afar, we as readers obviously know he's not the same and Casca upon closer inspection can see the differences as well, its not unrealistic however that from a distance she'd see him how she last remembered him), difference of weaponry and armour/clothing notwithstanding. 

For what its worth, even her bubbled memories as Elaine show that she remembers his new armour and sword but his face along with other key post eclipse features are turned away from her except for his metal arm. The only example we have of her specifically reflecting on his face and body (again armour notwithstanding) are from the Bonfire of Dreams and their time together making love, maybe she does remember how he currently looks and Miura simply picked these for emphasis but its all pretty vague as of now.

Anyways, this still doesn't explain the cover, care to explain that?
Title: Re: Episode 355
Post by: Griffith on March 24, 2018, 07:16:03 PM
You're taking it too literally lol, obviously Guts isn't dressed like he was in the Golden Age or exactly the same, its more so that physically all the key signifiers of post eclipse Guts are absent (i.e. his eyes aren't shown, the white streak is absent, his scars and metal arm are hidden) in the mind's eye of Casca since thats how she last remembers him (which is why I said her perspective from afar, we as readers obviously know he's not the same), difference of armour/clothing notwithstanding.

I think he was taking that theory to its illogical extreme to point out its a reach to say that's why the white hair isn't visible. Guts is being de-emphasized and obscured for a number of reasons including how different he'll look up close, but making it about and focusing on the hair is little silly.

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Anyways, this still doesn't explain the cover, care to explain that?

The cover must be from Casca's deluded point of view!  :troll:
Title: Re: Episode 355
Post by: Lord Leith on March 24, 2018, 07:22:16 PM
The cover must be from Casca's deluded point of view!  :troll:

 :ganishka: Okay despite the fact that I'd like an actual reason from somebody, I have to give it to ya, thats really funny haha

I won't continue rambling on about his hair or anything since it ultimately is pretty trivial but like I said I do take consistency seriously so Im a bit in disbelief at the notion that Miura would've given him black hair on the volume cover as a simple mistake, especially since he was also working on the guidebook where that mistake isn't present.

I apologize for sidetracking the thread here, Im aware that it was discussed before in the thread for Vol 39, its just that this episode's portrayal of Guts reminded me of said cover, which up until now I never analyzed too closely.
Title: Re: Episode 355
Post by: Griffith on March 24, 2018, 08:23:36 PM
:ganishka: Okay despite the fact that I'd like an actual reason from somebody, I have to give it to ya, thats really funny haha

I won't continue rambling on about his hair or anything since it ultimately is pretty trivial but like I said I do take consistency seriously so Im a bit in disbelief at the notion that Miura would've given him black hair on the volume cover as a simple mistake, especially since he was also working on the guidebook where that mistake isn't present.

Well, if it was something he did all the time it wouldn't just be a mistake, and like I said, it's been 30 years! I mean, Miura and his poor scapegoated assistants are drawing a metric ton of shit and a lot of detail in it on a schedule, so there's going to be some inconsistencies akin to visual typos (and sometimes they even get corrected or redrawn in the volume releases, among other additions and changes). I mean, if the hair thing is bugging you must be aware of Casca's disappearing/reappearing boots from episode 189, yes!? Oh, it'll drive you nuts! :ganishka: How about Guts' infidelity with a freakin' Apostle in the first pages back when Casca was likely just a twinkle in Miura's eye? Think that'll be an issue in their reconciliation? "I was using my wedding tackle to set a trap, baby, I had to wait until their guard was down!" (I'm guessing it won't actually come up =). But yeah, 30 years of material and relatively few inconsistencies, but they are there and ultimately we just have to accept them. Embrace and enjoy the wabi-sabi of Berserk! :guts: :miura: <(I meant to do that!)
Title: Re: Episode 355
Post by: SleepersWake on March 24, 2018, 09:07:49 PM
That's my hope as well, and would mean we could actually see Guts helping and them reconciling immediately. I would understand the choice if Miura deemed it necessary and I'm sure it would be effective and all the more rewarding in the end, but I really dont require anymore extended estrangement between these two! [...] Best case scenario: they embrace into a crumpled puddle of tears on the floor together. :judo:
Best case scenario needs to happen at some point, and will be the greatest, most tearful catharsis of all time  :judo:
tbh, though, I feel like the most sensitive and mature thing Guts can do in this situation is to let Casca dictate the pace of their reunion herself. I think experience has taught Guts that rushing over to comfort her in his arms will probably backfire. A major part of his character growth in the past several volumes has been learning to accept that not all problems are best solved by rushing in and tackling things headlong by himself. I expect him to demonstrate that growth here, by staying back and waiting for Casca to approach him, possibly after the ladies have helped calm her down.

This is what makes Guts such a real, relateable, and beautiful character to me: He may be an indomitable badass in a fight, but he doesn't really know how to deal with real human emotions, be they his or anyone else's. We probably all know people like this in real life, who cope with every kind of problem by blindly assaulting it, expecting to triumph by sheer force of will. My favourite moments of the series are almost all about Guts maturing into his own emotional vulnerability, and I hope/expect the next chapter (or another soon after that) will be one of those moments.

(Sidenote: even if he tries to rush in, Danan will probably stop him. Who knows, maybe she already warned him to be careful in her telepathic summons)
Title: Re: Episode 355
Post by: Lord Leith on March 24, 2018, 09:31:58 PM
Well, if it was something he did all the time it wouldn't just be a mistake, and like I said, it's been 30 years! I mean, Miura and his poor scapegoated assistants are drawing a metric ton of shit and a lot of detail in it on a schedule, so there's going to be some inconsistencies akin to visual typos (and sometimes they even get corrected or redrawn in the volume releases, among other additions and changes).

But yeah, 30 years of material and relatively few inconsistencies, but they are there and ultimately we just have to accept them. Embrace and enjoy the wabi-sabi of Berserk! :guts: :miura: <(I meant to do that!)

Oh without a doubt! Miura is human after all so I'm sure its not beyond him or an assistant to make a mistake like that, it just seems like such a simple one (colouring) that I would never foresee it actually happening. Thankfully I never did notice Casca's boots, currently Im only at Vol 10 with my rereading so it'll take me a while to get back there but I'm sure it will bug me hahaha  :ganishka: but of course none of this is enough to stop my enjoyment of Berserk.

If it were any other series I'd expect more mistakes like this so its a testament to how amazing Berserk's quality is that lil things like this end up surprising me, its one of the closest things to a perfect piece of art (in regards to visuals and storytelling) in my opinion so my standards for it may be unfairly high. This episode being a perfect example of that, I haven't really expressed my opinion on it yet so I might as well.

Guts and Casca's chemistry and tumultuous love story has always been one of, if not my absolute favorite aspect of Berserk's plot. I love how the story progressed in spite of her losing her sanity and agency throughout the years and enjoyed arcs like Conviction or Millennium Falcon just as much as the Golden Age (in some ways, I've enjoyed them even more) but with that said, due to her state of mind I always looked back on the Golden Age fondly (like most fans) in a way that distinguishes it from the rest of the series.

The way this episode started, with Casca immediately greeting the others demonstrated said agency that she's been lacking, it reminds me of when Guts and Casca kissed and how it was she who leaned in first to kiss him, it made me so happy and yet also feel surreal to know that this is actually happening, I always knew it would but I expected to wait many more years and I feel blessed to have this moment now.

Her new dress did strike me as odd (albeit beautiful of course) considering her character but seeing her object to it added onto that nostalgia, further reminding me that this isn't Elaine anymore (a woman so oblivious that she needed help getting dressed, let alone being able to judge clothes for herself) but truly the warrior we've missed for 22 years...or personally in my case, approx 8 years.

All of this build up, both leading up to this episode and within it had me so excited but like you said Griff, it was almost as if Miura had rolled out a red carpet only to then pull it from under our feet, I suspected that it was too good to be true but I was still not ready to see Casca scream upon seeing Guts, only the future will let us know for sure what that reaction fully entails but as of now, it was both an amazing and surreal experience.

Miura as always pulled through and delivered us another monumental episode, Im enjoying the moment for what it is but with one of my favorite aspects of the series coming back to the forefront I cant help but be even more excited than usual for what the future has in store for us.


Title: Re: Episode 355
Post by: DarkAdin on March 25, 2018, 10:41:58 AM
The scene in which Casca sees Guts approaching her, in full armor, the sword on his back... Man, it's so full of detail we could talk about it all day. Could the Sovereign have given him instructions to present himself like that on purpose?
Also I like how Miura handles Guts. Seemingly emotionless, tall, stoic, like a symbol that represents a man who isn't who he once was. Since Casca's mind shutted off, Guts has changed, darkened even more. If Guts presents himself like this, he's approaching the situation straightforwardly, not trying to deny her what he'll always be: a Berserker.
Title: Re: Episode 355
Post by: SaiyajinNoOuji on March 25, 2018, 08:23:42 PM
After all these years since Guts gave Griffith that look of, "I am done with you for the time being", to get on the boat. We have an awakened Casca. I won't be a broken record on the visuals but just bask in all the wonderful things that this episode has brought.  :ubik:
Title: Re: Episode 355
Post by: Kaladin on March 25, 2018, 09:02:47 PM
This episode was phenomenal and full of surprises, typical of Miura :carcus:. Casca remembering herself as elaine and the rest of her monologue was well handled, her beautiful dress etc...and the art did the talking for you. This entire portion of the story was very well executed, not that there were any doubts. Such an anticipated moment must be a huge burden off Miura's shoulders, the story just keeps getting more and more exciting. It's crazy to think that after every episode, the fans think of ten different scenarios of what will happen next, but Miura does something really different, and it's always better  :ganishka:. Can't wait to read the episode in its full glory when the digital issue comes out. Volume 40 easily best fantasia volume   :badbone:
Title: Re: Episode 355
Post by: Walter on March 26, 2018, 04:31:08 AM
Our latest podcast is up, folks: http://www.skullknight.net/forum/index.php?topic=15482

(http://skullknight.net/podcast/podcast94.jpg) (http://skullknight.net/podcast/podcast94.mp3)
Title: Re: Episode 355
Post by: w00t on March 26, 2018, 08:56:14 AM
That image hits right in the feels. I had to take a break before continuing from there...

It's just so good to have her back.
Title: Re: Episode 355
Post by: Walter on March 26, 2018, 01:47:27 PM
That image hits right in the feels. I had to take a break before continuing from there...

Thanks! Yeah, it's the emotional core of the episode for sure. I don't have the skill to color it, but I'm sure there are others who can do it justice.
Title: Re: Episode 355
Post by: Keiko on March 26, 2018, 07:10:35 PM
I'm also kind of bothered by how Casca's face looks more like a child's face now than it did during the previous two or three arcs, especially the panel where she first wakes up, and the the first page of this chapter. Hopefully Miura fixes it somewhat for the volume. But other than that, amazing and gorgeous chapter. Cant believe we actually reached this point, I just recently found out I was seven years old when Casca became insanse. Somehow I imagined the Eclipse happened like ten years ago or something, not 21. O.o

And this is probably what many are thinking, but I'm guessing that if or when Guts and Casca will try to make love again, it will parallell their first sex scene with Casca being the one freaking out this time. Obviously Guts will have to be a lot more tender this time around... :p
Title: Re: Episode 355
Post by: Griffith on March 26, 2018, 08:00:04 PM
I'm also kind of bothered by how Casca's face looks more like a child's face now than it did during the previous two or three arcs, especially the panel where she first wakes up, and the the first page of this chapter. Hopefully Miura fixes it somewhat for the volume.

I don't think she looks like more a child, particularly any more than she does in your avatar for example. She just looks more like her old self, which makes sense for us to think she looks younger because that was a while ago to say the least. And really, she's still a young woman now, so whether we thought Casca looked more mature or not in any given part or panel is highly variable and subjective, just like Guts (who sometimes can look anywhere between the 20-something he's technically supposed to be and a fuckin' 40 year old man (https://getyarn.io/yarn-clip/46f55eb9-3476-4698-ad81-3973cb574047) =).
Title: Re: Episode 355
Post by: NCHaskew on March 26, 2018, 08:36:18 PM
I don't think she looks like more a child, particularly any more than she does in your avatar for example. She just looks more like her old self, which makes sense for us to think she looks younger because that was a while ago to say the least. And really, she's still a young woman now, so whether we thought Casca looked more mature or not in any given part or panel is highly variable and subjective, just like Guts (who sometimes can look anywhere between the 20-something he's technically supposed to be and a fuckin' 40 year old man (https://getyarn.io/yarn-clip/46f55eb9-3476-4698-ad81-3973cb574047) =).

That does bring up an interesting question for me: does anyone know how long this quest for Casca's sanity has been going on within the story? If I remember correctly, Guts is like 21 during the Black Swordsman Arc, and I think the latest guidebook says he's 24 now?
Title: Re: Episode 355
Post by: Walter on March 26, 2018, 09:19:54 PM
That does bring up an interesting question for me: does anyone know how long this quest for Casca's sanity has been going on within the story? If I remember correctly, Guts is like 21 during the Black Swordsman Arc, and I think the latest guidebook says he's 24 now?

He was officially 21 by the time we see him in Lost Children. There hasn't been an official count of the years since then, aside from what Miura wrote in his answer to our 2009 interview (3-4 years since golden age), which would make Guts 23-24.
Title: Re: Episode 355
Post by: Sareth on March 26, 2018, 09:31:43 PM
He was officially 21 by the time we see him in Lost Children. There hasn't been an official count of the years since then, aside from what Miura wrote in his answer to our 2009 interview (3-4 years since golden age), which would make Guts 23-24.

Seems like only around half a year since the beginning of Conviction. Conviction goes from autumn to winter and Milennium Falcon is winter to spring.
Title: Re: Episode 355
Post by: Walter on March 26, 2018, 11:12:47 PM
Seems like only around half a year since the beginning of Conviction. Conviction goes from autumn to winter and Milennium Falcon is winter to spring.

Even with a scrupulous inventory of perceived season changes throughout that period, I think that's a really short amount of time for everything that occurs in Conviction, Millennium Falcon and now Fantasia..

There's also the boy to consider. I don't think Miura arbitrarily chose the age of that child, and he's definitely not 2.5 years old. More like 3-4, I'd wager.
Title: Re: Episode 355
Post by: Theozilla on March 27, 2018, 12:20:37 AM
Seems like only around half a year since the beginning of Conviction. Conviction goes from autumn to winter and Milennium Falcon is winter to spring.
If you’re curious about the nitty-gritty details regarding the Berserk timeline, Walter compiled a pretty easy to read list of all the stated instances of the passage of time in the series from an old thread I started discussing said topic: http://www.skullknight.net/forum/index.php?topic=15216.msg245078#msg245078
Title: Re: Episode 355
Post by: Cronus on March 27, 2018, 03:21:12 AM
Wow. A phenomenal episode and moment in this story.
Any ideas on who/what the 'faint voice' could be that she references?

https://i.imgur.com/vmHCc2y.jpg (https://i.imgur.com/vmHCc2y.jpg)

I made the same connection given that S3 is fresh in my mind, but this...is glorious.

Title: Re: Episode 355
Post by: Griffith on March 27, 2018, 05:28:20 AM
Wow. A phenomenal episode and moment in this story.
Any ideas on who/what the 'faint voice' could be that she references?

Whoa! A phenomenal occasion indeed, I'm loving all the major cameos and callbacks in this thread (it is like S3 =). I must take the opportunity to converse with you about Berserk...

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Any ideas on who/what the 'faint voice' could be that she references?

My guess is it's simply what remained of her, holding on so she could possibly see Guts again and/or her child.

Or, as some of hypothesized, take another run at Griff now that he's shown some mutual interest! :troll:

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I made the same connection given that S3 is fresh in my mind, but this...is glorious.

Again, I gotta credit Eluvei for the idea. BTW, there's also some obvious Elaine/Dougie parallels in hindsight. Lynch would be so impressed with Miura for making us wait 22 goddamned years; I just hope Casca isn't in some fucked up semi-catatonic state for the next 16 episodes! :ganishka:
Title: Re: Episode 355
Post by: Keiko on March 27, 2018, 07:30:25 AM
I don't think she looks like more a child, particularly any more than she does in your avatar for example.

Well, I can't help but see a difference. For comparison:

(http://i265.photobucket.com/albums/ii220/love_ookami/0354-0191_zpsjannb44c.jpg) (http://s265.photobucket.com/user/love_ookami/media/0354-0191_zpsjannb44c.jpg.html) (http://i265.photobucket.com/albums/ii220/love_ookami/ff5ddd4c00bc63f6bef5052d2a2a0544edca14dd_hq1_zpsmghr2m46.jpg) (http://s265.photobucket.com/user/love_ookami/media/ff5ddd4c00bc63f6bef5052d2a2a0544edca14dd_hq1_zpsmghr2m46.jpg.html) (http://i265.photobucket.com/albums/ii220/love_ookami/0355-0011_zpsdfpk9aft.jpg) (http://s265.photobucket.com/user/love_ookami/media/0355-0011_zpsdfpk9aft.jpg.html) (http://i265.photobucket.com/albums/ii220/love_ookami/d38728619972e5b3d7acba47f99bd2bb1_zpsmzlpbgwp.jpg) (http://s265.photobucket.com/user/love_ookami/media/d38728619972e5b3d7acba47f99bd2bb1_zpsmzlpbgwp.jpg.html)

(Sorry if the images are huge, they were tiny on my pc but still became this way here.)

Anyway, I'm not saying she looks bad, not at all. I just personally liked her look a tad more in the previous arcs, that's all.





Title: Re: Episode 355
Post by: Walter on March 27, 2018, 10:46:57 AM
Wow. A phenomenal episode and moment in this story.

Indeed, good to see you again dude :guts:

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Any ideas on who/what the 'faint voice' could be that she references?

The "there's someone I want to see" line came from Elaine a few episodes ago, so it would make sense that Casca is sensing an echo of Elaine's wish.

We've gone back and forth across that time about whether it's Guts or her child that she wants to see. I think Casca, who hasn't yet grappled with being a mother, may think that it's Guts, but I'm still guessing it's the child given Elaine's connection with him.
Title: Re: Episode 355
Post by: Griffith on March 27, 2018, 02:59:51 PM
Well, I can't help but see a difference. For comparison:

http://i265.photobucket.com/albums/ii220/love_ookami/0354-0191_zpsjannb44c.jpg (http://s265.photobucket.com/user/love_ookami/media/0354-0191_zpsjannb44c.jpg.html) http://i265.photobucket.com/albums/ii220/love_ookami/ff5ddd4c00bc63f6bef5052d2a2a0544edca14dd_hq1_zpsmghr2m46.jpg (http://s265.photobucket.com/user/love_ookami/media/ff5ddd4c00bc63f6bef5052d2a2a0544edca14dd_hq1_zpsmghr2m46.jpg.html) http://i265.photobucket.com/albums/ii220/love_ookami/0355-0011_zpsdfpk9aft.jpg (http://s265.photobucket.com/user/love_ookami/media/0355-0011_zpsdfpk9aft.jpg.html) http://i265.photobucket.com/albums/ii220/love_ookami/d38728619972e5b3d7acba47f99bd2bb1_zpsmzlpbgwp.jpg (http://s265.photobucket.com/user/love_ookami/media/d38728619972e5b3d7acba47f99bd2bb1_zpsmzlpbgwp.jpg.html)

(Sorry if the images are huge, they were tiny on my pc but still became this way here.)

Anyway, I'm not saying she looks bad, not at all. I just personally liked her look a tad more in the previous arcs, that's all.

Right, and I was just pointing out I don't think depiction of age is a factor, just that the styles are obviously as different from each other as they are to the Golden Age and YMMV on how old/young you think that makes the characters look. As much as I like MF's attempts at a more photorealistic style (the first examples that come to mind are from Griffith's incarnation, actually) I'm also digging the throwback vibe on awake Casca. Really, I thought by midway through the episode we were seeing a pretty good mix of styles and techniques to convey something different in each panel, and I really dug the closeup on her profile as she's considering those old memories of the Falcons.

The "there's someone I want to see" line came from Elaine a few episodes ago, so it would make sense that Casca is sensing an echo of Elaine's wish.

We've gone back and forth across that time about whether it's Guts or her child that she wants to see. I think Casca, who hasn't yet grappled with being a mother, may think that it's Guts, but I'm still guessing it's the child given Elaine's connection with him.

It's cool to think that Elaine's driving force as it existed separate from Casca was an instinctual search for her child, since she was the one that gave birth depending on how distinctly we want to consider them (in retrospect it's like she had her own little arc/journey... that was cut short, should we be sad for "Elaine?" =). I wonder if that feeling will translate seamlessly to Casca once she remembers or if it's something she's going to have to come to grips with from a more intellectual place, like she's learning she has a kid out there for the first time (not a situation a woman usually has the opportunity to experience =).
Title: Re: Episode 355
Post by: NCHaskew on March 28, 2018, 04:01:12 PM
Finally got my copy! Damn, it is so satisfying having such a large copy--where's my large-size omnibus, Dark Horse? Gotta say, not something to read in public though  :farnese: little awkward to just be casually reading through a "girly mag."
Title: Re: Episode 355
Post by: NightCrawler on March 28, 2018, 04:24:58 PM
Glad to see old sk members that are still around. Cheers.
Title: Re: Episode 355
Post by: Griffith on March 28, 2018, 05:16:09 PM
Glad to see old sk members that are still around. Cheers.

In addition to Cronus, Saiya, Rane et al I also saw iconically named "Werealmad" lurking as well, but alas my private urging to post went unanswered. Now I think we just need Skully, Olivier, and CnC to complete classic BSOM bingo. I mean,  what do we need to make that happen, Guts' death or some shit!? Ok, being pushy probably doesn't help. :griffnotevil:
Title: Re: Episode 355
Post by: Walter on March 28, 2018, 05:24:42 PM
In addition to Cronus, Saiya, Rane et al I also saw iconically named "Werealmad" lurking as well, but alas my private urging to post went unanswered. Now I think we just need Skully, Olivier, and CnC to complete classic BSOM bingo. I mean,  what do we need to make that happen, Guts' death or some shit!? Ok, being pushy probably doesn't help. :griffnotevil:

A podcast with all those old farts would be interesting.  :badbone:
Title: Re: Episode 355
Post by: Wereallmad on March 28, 2018, 06:37:35 PM
Had to come back when I heard the news. I sort of stopped following for a while because I couldn't stand the pace of the manga anymore. It just seemed like so little progress was being made each year. I remember first being exposed to the series in 97, or 98 when I was still in highschool. I found bootlegs on some old website I used to grab DBZ episodes off of back in the old dial-up days. Funimation sued the site, so they took down their DBZ stuff and put up 5 different anime series. Berserk was one of them. It was shortly after that I found BSOM. I ended up buying the laserdiscs for the series, and I quickly got caught up on the manga (as best as I could without knowing Japanese). Then the Dreamcast game came out, I don't think the manga had even started the tower of conviction arc when it came out, but all the way back then the game told us that Guts started his quest for ElfHelm. It has been a long long time since then. As Walter said, I'm an old fart now, but it has finally happened. Does this mean that this story arc has come to an end? Does anyone have that alleged future timeline thing that Olivier got off of a Japanese BBS. I think everything that was outlined has now comes to pass, except for the portions that deal with Gaiseric and the creation of God Hand.

I actually found out about Casca's awakening because I saw a video listed on my recommended youtube videos about some major Berserk related event, and knew what it was. As always I am not liking the artstyle being changed (I had just gotten used to the old one that I didn't like), but maybe Miura intentionally used it to set a sort of fairy-tail-ish tone.

BTW, did Miura remove another episode? every year or so, I would check out whatever the latest episode was, just to see if they had made it to Elfhelm yet, and I distinctly remember reading an ep where Isma goes off on her own to find that the Merrows had been massacred. It wasn't in any of the scanlations I downloaded (I know, shame on me but I'm just getting back into Berserk after I can't remember how many years and I'm jobless ATM, I think the last volume I actually bought was like, 22 or something).
Title: Re: Episode 355
Post by: Walter on March 28, 2018, 07:53:51 PM
Then the Dreamcast game came out, I don't think the manga had even started the tower of conviction arc when it came out

The conviction arc had started, but Vol 18 (which takes place in Albion around the Tower of Retribution) and the DC game in Japan came out around the same time. So for those of us following the volume releases at the time, they were probably synonymous.

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but all the way back then the game told us that Guts started his quest for ElfHelm.

We knew they were headed to Puck's homeland, but I don't think we knew the name Elfhelm until vol 22. The other big reveal in the game was that Griffith was back and he was working with Zodd to find more apostles, raising a new army. Pretty big news given that at the time, we were still 3 volumes before the actual moment of incarnation.

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Does this mean that this story arc has come to an end?

Not sure what you mean, we're still just starting out the Fantasia Arc (began in vol 35 (http://skullknight.net/manga/)), and the Elf Island Chapter.

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Does anyone have that alleged future timeline thing that Olivier got off of a Japanese BBS. I think everything that was outlined has now comes to pass, except for the portions that deal with Gaiseric and the creation of God Hand.

If we're remembering the same one, it wasn't so prophetic. It still comes across as BS to me. Here it is: http://www.skullknight.net/forum/index.php?topic=67.msg1452#msg1452

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BTW, did Miura remove another episode? every year or so, I would check out whatever the latest episode was, just to see if they had made it to Elfhelm yet, and I distinctly remember reading an ep where Isma goes off on her own to find that the Merrows had been massacred.

Nope. I'm afraid you're imagining that scenario. There's an episode that reveals the merrows and the sea god were at war with each other long ago, and that they had sealed him away on the island. Maybe that's it...?
Title: Re: Episode 355
Post by: Johnny Apples on March 28, 2018, 08:54:16 PM
Hey, welcome back!!

Had to come back when I heard the news. I sort of stopped following for a while because I couldn't stand the pace of the manga anymore.

Ah, the good old days of pre-2007 Berserk, back when the manga published at a pace of 2 episodes per month and we were almost always guaranteed 2 new volumes per year  :ganishka:
Unfortunately, our steady yearly fix of Berserk came at a steep personal cost to Miura himself, which you can infer from his personal comments in the Young Animal 

http://www.skullknight.net/forum/index.php?topic=14516.0

Especially read the part about his turning 30 years old and still never having had a girlfriend. Or the fact that he had to cancel his cell phone service because no one ever called him in over 2 years. That's some soul crushing stuff there   :sad:

It just seemed like so little progress was being made each year. I remember first being exposed to the series in 97, or 98 when I was still in highschool. I found bootlegs on some old website I used to grab DBZ episodes off of back in the old dial-up days. Funimation sued the site, so they took down their DBZ stuff and put up 5 different anime series. Berserk was one of them. It was shortly after that I found BSOM. I ended up buying the laserdiscs for the series, and I quickly got caught up on the manga (as best as I could without knowing Japanese). Then the Dreamcast game came out, I don't think the manga had even started the tower of conviction arc when it came out, but all the way back then the game told us that Guts started his quest for ElfHelm. It has been a long long time since then. As Walter said, I'm an old fart now, but it has finally happened. Does this mean that this story arc has come to an end? Does anyone have that alleged future timeline thing that Olivier got off of a Japanese BBS. I think everything that was outlined has now comes to pass, except for the portions that deal with Gaiseric and the creation of God Hand.

Yeah, I remember those bootleg DBZ websites as well. The Funimation had barely covered the Saiyan/Namek sagas at that point, but those sites were already hosting the Cell/Majin Buu episodes. The loading time was so slow, you had to wait 1 hour in order to stream 1 minute's worth of content  :ganishka:
The crazy thing about these online fansubs was that their sound quality was actually better than that of the Japanese language track on the official Funimation DVDs. Even though those fansubs had gone through multiple tape generations and their picture quality was garbage, the sound itself had more clarity to it and was less muffled than on the official DVDs. 

As always I am not liking the artstyle being changed (I had just gotten used to the old one that I didn't like), but maybe Miura intentionally used it to set a sort of fairy-tail-ish tone.

What are the aspects of the current art style that irks you? And by "old one", did you mean the Millennium Falcon-era art style?
Title: Re: Episode 355
Post by: Griffith on March 29, 2018, 12:54:04 AM
A podcast with all those old farts would be interesting.  :badbone:

 :ubik: :daiba:

Had to come back when I heard the news. I sort of stopped following for a while because I couldn't stand the pace of the manga anymore. It just seemed like so little progress was being made each year. I remember first being exposed to the series in 97, or 98 when I was still in highschool. I found bootlegs on some old website I used to grab DBZ episodes off of back in the old dial-up days. Funimation sued the site, so they took down their DBZ stuff and put up 5 different anime series. Berserk was one of them. It was shortly after that I found BSOM. I ended up buying the laserdiscs for the series, and I quickly got caught up on the manga (as best as I could without knowing Japanese).

This brings back fond memories of hearing about the series on the blacktop in high scool, I still remember how I imagined the series to be from the description (so hardcore and much more salacious =), and borrowing the VCDs to find out for myself. Which of course led me to BSOM and my first exposure to the pure stuff, the manga, at SK.net itself.

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Does anyone have that alleged future timeline thing that Olivier got off of a Japanese BBS. I think everything that was outlined has now comes to pass, except for the portions that deal with Gaiseric and the creation of God Hand.

I'm more bullish on that theory than Wally obviously, and probably double for Aaz. It's not so much that it's been proven right as it's not yet been completely invalidated and was at least insightful, or vague enough, that the major strokes are still plausible and some parts have even become more credible to me. The most impressive thing is what we, or at least Olivier, found most far-fetched about the frontiers between worlds being unsettled, since we did see something like that happen in reverse. Still, a lot of the specific details sound suspect as Wally, and Olivier initially, said. But even if most of it turns out to be BS, bravo, I'm all for big, ambitious BS theories. =)

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As always I am not liking the artstyle being changed (I had just gotten used to the old one that I didn't like), but maybe Miura intentionally used it to set a sort of fairy-tail-ish tone.

"I just got used to not liking the last style!" :ganishka:

You still like the Conviction Arc style best? I feel like there's some potential movement in that direction. I was wondering how Miura was going to get more detailed after drawing like every piece of the Kushan military's armor. I'd love to see him go more minimalist and interpretative, precisely because that's clearly not his way. I think he'd feel guilty trying.

Especially read the part about his turning 30 years old and still never having had a girlfriend. Or the fact that he had to cancel his cell phone service because no one ever called him in over 2 years. That's some soul crushing stuff there   :sad:

In the next SK.net letter to Miura we should really aim to become his actual friend or something. =)
Title: Re: Episode 355
Post by: Walter on March 30, 2018, 12:18:15 AM
The digital edition just went live on Hakusensha-E  for about $3: https://www.hakusensha-e.net/younganimal

It looks gooooooood  :beast:
Title: Re: Episode 355
Post by: Kaladin on March 30, 2018, 12:32:49 AM
Thanks for the heads up, just purchased them, they look phenomenal  :ubik:
Title: Re: Episode 355
Post by: Skullgrin140 on March 30, 2018, 11:48:05 PM
So I've recently just read this episode and the 2 recently released ones before this. I can't even begin to tell you how I felt upon seeing Casca get her memory back and so much of what had come and gone through her life come flooding back, By looking at that scene flow. Immediately when Casca cried, YOU cried. Because it felt like the mother of all payoffs after years of waiting and speculation. The ending on the other hand...made me feel horrified and curious. It's only that the manga should go on a hiatus just as the hammer comes crashing down.
Title: Re: Episode 355
Post by: Sir Schraffl on March 31, 2018, 05:58:40 PM
I've been rereading this episode  once everyday since it came out and it still has not registered in my mind that casca is truly back, going to need atleast 2 more episodes of sane casca action to really let the idea sink in.
Title: Re: Episode 355
Post by: Rhombaad on March 31, 2018, 11:40:44 PM
The digital edition just went live on Hakusensha-E  for about $3: https://www.hakusensha-e.net/younganimal

It looks gooooooood  :beast:

It really does. Those two-page spreads are gorgeous.
Title: Re: Episode 355
Post by: Wereallmad on April 01, 2018, 03:17:57 AM
The conviction arc had started, but Vol 18 (which takes place in Albion around the Tower of Retribution) and the DC game in Japan came out around the same time. So for those of us following the volume releases at the time, they were probably synonymous.

....

we were still 3 volumes before the actual moment of incarnation.

That's probably what I remember. That the arc had started, but I was still pretty clueless about many events that would transpire between where we were, and the events of the game.

We knew they were headed to Puck's homeland, but I don't think we knew the name Elfhelm until vol 22.

Meh

Not sure what you mean, we're still just starting out the Fantasia Arc (began in vol 35 (http://skullknight.net/manga/)), and the Elf Island Chapter.

Okay, so it is a new arc, I thought it was still the Millennium Falcon arc

If we're remembering the same one, it wasn't so prophetic. It still comes across as BS to me. Here it is: http://www.skullknight.net/forum/index.php?topic=67.msg1452#msg1452

Little less than I remembered, but I have a habit of remembering things that didn't happen. For example:

Nope. I'm afraid you're imagining that scenario. There's an episode that reveals the merrows and the sea god were at war with each other long ago, and that they had sealed him away on the island. Maybe that's it...?

I can vividly remember seeing Isma finding tons and tons of Merrows dead, before finally finding her mother who had been disemboweled or something, but was still barely alive. Shit like this happens to me every day. Dunno what is wrong with my brain. Mandella effect'd. Only thing i can think of is that maybe something similar happened in another manga, and I somehow got them confused.

Hey, welcome back!!

Thanks

What are the aspects of the current art style that irks you? And by "old one", did you mean the Millennium Falcon-era art style?

You still like the Conviction Arc style best? I feel like there's some potential movement in that direction. I was wondering how Miura was going to get more detailed after drawing like every piece of the Kushan military's armor. I'd love to see him go more minimalist and interpretative, precisely because that's clearly not his way. I think he'd feel guilty trying.

What has been bugging me for years is inconsistency. I feel like the art has been inconsistent ever since the end of the conviction arc. Ever since the incarnation in particular it feels like sometimes different artists are drawing. I think waaaaaay back in the day it was speculated it could be Miura's assistants changing. Overall I came to see the art style as improving until just recently. A lot of panels in the Fantasia arc look really iffy to me. The last two episodes in particular look like a whole other manga to me. I dunno if moe is the appropriate term. It could be a deliberate thing to try and set up some sort of visual mood whiplash, in which case I love it, but if not, then I hate it.

I worry that it's more than a deliberate style change. Outlines are looking way thicker, and I'm seeing less line weight. Tones look kinda worse to me as well (that could be shitty scan quality though). Those are common symptoms of switching from traditional to digital. I hope it's just my imagination.

There are a couple other things that bug me here and there (I think most people would just find it nitpicky), for example: I personally think the neck piece on the Berserker armor looked like ass after he transformed the first time. The transformation itself seems like a really sweet idea, but to me the armor looks a little awkward while transformed. The helm looks a tad like a porpoise or something, rather than The Beast. Also rivets, why the fuck are rivets visible on some ancient magical relic - I think that looks stupid, like slapping "made in Taiwan" on it. I feel like Dark Souls managed to convey a similar idea with the Iron Dragonslayer Armor, but managed to pull off the ancient magical look a little better as their are no recognizable fasteners holding it together.
Title: Re: Episode 355
Post by: SaiyajinNoOuji on April 01, 2018, 08:49:08 PM
Same situation as "Wereallmad". Pacing of Berserk is well, very Berserk like :ganishka:. That and just other interests, life, and all of that jazz. A podcast of all of us old guys? haha, I would need to re-read Berserk again. What ever happened to VHB?

Anyways, more on point for the Episode, I'm more curious on where the story goes from here. Guts finally accomplished one of his biggest goals but now what? I could see this going a few ways but I am sure Miura has his own plan that doesn't involve one of the obvious choices I am thinking.
Title: Re: Episode 355
Post by: Cronus on April 01, 2018, 11:46:45 PM
Glad to see old sk members that are still around. Cheers.

I come to the site maybe once every year. This was too big of a moment to not see the discussion and share in it.

A podcast with all those old farts would be interesting.  :badbone:
Such a podcast would literally be 'Shootin' the Breeze.' But, not a bad idea to have individual community members on and talk about where/when they first had exposure to the story.
About all I think I could add to community lore would be dumb nuance and backstory about the early days of the site when Walter and I were roommates :)
Hell my forum avatar is still hosted on SK.net under my old FTP folder! That's dedication!

Back to the episode so this isn't a total derailing - I'm hopeful that it's just misdirection on Miura's part, but the 2 pages seen just as Casca calls out to Guts give me the impression that they may separate after this for a good while. The first page with Guts in front of the eclipse/festival is ominously done - Guts is masked in shadow in front of what broke her, and the edges of the drawing are very Femto-esque (https://goo.gl/images/e2aJrm) to me with a flowing wing-like look.

The next page - Griffith, completely asunder. It seems to me as though the framing is around his chest wounds - will Casca be reminded of Guts attacking her breast as he lost control? This could also just be the memory from a first-person perspective, and just for drama, but I think Miura is smarter than that.

And to add to the avalanche, she already had previously said that the Hawks' situation (at the time) was his fault, as Griffith was no good without him. I wonder where the tipping point is for her in all of this - Griffith saved her life, and betrayed her - but so did Guts. I obviously hope it goes toward Guts, but SK's words to him put this in reasonable doubt in my mind.
Title: Re: Episode 355
Post by: TheStruggler on April 02, 2018, 05:36:55 AM
Hello all,

Just want to share my thoughts regarding the story unfolding so far. Disregarding the subreddit and their ridiculous ideas, what I think more or less the same as your predictions earlier in this thread.

I believe that:

- Casca will not hate Guts, at the very worst there will be that awkward barrier between them that will fall rather fast

- The waterfall of memories was too sudden and Guts was the mother of all triggers, his dark appearance and villainous aura worked their charms

- There will be no sacrificing or returning to Griffith etc stupid stuff

- Skull Knight predicted that things may not go as Guts imagined or wanted (same shit in real life really) which I believe can also mean that Casca may not want Femto dead - after all, their child is his avatar. That does not mean she will not hate him, actually quite the contrary - she might be the most disappointed from Griffith.

With that I am looking forward to see what will be the other interactions with the characters, and for the love of God - we might actually find out who is the 100 man slayer  :isidro:

Hiatus might be imminent, but if so this one might not last as much as the previous ones.

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Griffith saved her life, and betrayed her - but so did Guts.

Yes, but not in the same way. After all, I believe he attained a little humanity and redemption when they completed the quest for Casca. I believe he might need "some fixing" as he did not quite survived the Eclipse. He was also broken in his own way. While Casca was driven to point break and mental breakdown, he was pushed to his limits resulting a massive PTSD, Dissociative identity disorder, overall anti-social behavior, insomnia and various panic attacks that each time ended with him feeling worse and worse.
Title: Re: Episode 355
Post by: Lord Leith on April 02, 2018, 02:11:10 PM
Hello all,

Welcome to the forum fellow struggler  :badbone:
Title: Re: Episode 355
Post by: BiQ-- on April 02, 2018, 05:32:01 PM
Yes, but not in the same way. After all, I believe he attained a little humanity and redemption when they completed the quest for Casca. I believe he might need "some fixing" as he did not quite survived the Eclipse. He was also broken in his own way. While Casca was driven to point break and mental breakdown, he was pushed to his limits resulting a massive PTSD, Dissociative identity disorder, overall anti-social behavior, insomnia and various panic attacks that each time ended with him feeling worse and worse.

This, and I also think Guts really needs to get some physical healing too - the astral wound Slan inflicted on him is still just sitting there, probably even exacerbated by the fact he keeps wearing that armor. Honestly, I'm starting to suspect he can't even stand up without it at this point, because if there's a single place on earth he should be able to just chill without it, it's here.
Title: Re: Episode 355
Post by: Walter on April 02, 2018, 08:27:29 PM
It could be a deliberate thing to try and set up some sort of visual mood whiplash, in which case I love it, but if not, then I hate it.
I worry that it's more than a deliberate style change. Outlines are looking way thicker, and I'm seeing less line weight. Tones look kinda worse to me as well (that could be shitty scan quality though). Those are common symptoms of switching from traditional to digital. I hope it's just my imagination.

Well it's commonly known that Miura switched to digital art back in 2016. It may have been slightly earlier, but it was most evident in 2016's episodes and volume insert posters. We had a thread about it back then: http://www.skullknight.net/forum/index.php?topic=15089.0 And a few months later, in the Berserk Guidebook, there was an image of his workstation, which now has a tablet. It's come up a few other times too, (http://www.skullknight.net/forum/index.php?topic=15309.msg248542#msg248542) when people point out reused or altered panel art.

Beyond the workflow enhancements that moving to digital afford, I do think that the style change coinciding with their arrival at Elfhelm is by design. We talked about the possibility of a big art change months before it was shown on the pages, because it made sense to shift the style to match a more fantastical location. There's also the consideration of YA moving to digital distribution. It's possible he had pressure internally to adopt a digital format to ease the production. Finally, it seems clear that Miura had to adopt some changes to keep the Berserk release schedule more consistent (and say what you will, but it has been more consistent since he switched over). His adherence to pen and paper drawings for 25+ years is truly admirable, but if the limitations of reality require him being more economical in how he puts his dream to paper, I'm cool with it. But I imagine that for someone who doesn't follow it episodically, the shift was probably more of a noticeable thing.

Back to the episode so this isn't a total derailing - I'm hopeful that it's just misdirection on Miura's part, but the 2 pages seen just as Casca calls out to Guts give me the impression that they may separate after this for a good while. The first page with Guts in front of the eclipse/festival is ominously done - Guts is masked in shadow in front of what broke her, and the edges of the drawing are very Femto-esque (https://goo.gl/images/e2aJrm) to me with a flowing wing-like look.

Eh, I don't see a connection there. If Miura wanted to achieve a recognizable comparison with Femto, he wouldn't have made Guts' cape billow like that. Instead, he could have made it look more distinctly wing-like. He could also have featured Femto in this episode  :guts: But as it is, it just looks like Guts' cape is framing the shot of the Eclipse, which conveys what's happening in Casca's head — he's the harbinger of those memories.

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The next page - Griffith, completely asunder. It seems to me as though the framing is around his chest wounds - will Casca be reminded of Guts attacking her breast as he lost control? This could also just be the memory from a first-person perspective, and just for drama, but I think Miura is smarter than that.

Similarly, this seems like a very loose connection. The focus on Griffith's chest is likely incidental because Miura didn't want to show off the crotch or the eyes (he's been hiding those in dream-like depictions recently, likely to depersonalize the memory). What's left? Center mass. But going down that train of thought, there's not a connection between Griffith's tortured body, and whatever happened between Guts and Casca in that moment in Vol 23. It's the kind of thing that readers would really have to twist their brain to accommodate a connection for, which, aside from the aforementioned circumstantial nature of what's being depicted, is why I don't really see it happening here.

The pages are meant to show off in horrific detail a horrific moment in her past that she chose to bury. I imagine that it's supposed to be painful to look at and shocking, but I really don't see any symbolism or anything happening here.

And to add to the avalanche, she already had previously said that the Falcons' situation (at the time) was his fault, as Griffith was no good without him.

I don't believe we'll be getting back the Casca from Vol 9, so I'm disinclined to think she'll still think that way about Guts.

I wonder where the tipping point is for her in all of this - Griffith saved her life, and betrayed her - but so did Guts. I obviously hope it goes toward Guts, but SK's words to him put this in reasonable doubt in my mind.

No matter how you stretch it, the sins of Guts and Femto can't be compared. And I also don't think that's what these last two 2-page spreads are meant to represent.

What Guts did was wrong — not just biting her breast, but holding her down and kissing her against her will. That's fucked up! And that's on Guts, and it'll have to be reconciled. But unlike with Femto, there are so many mitigations to that particular scenario (like his exhausted and tortured state of mind in that moment; like crossing the world to rescue her; keeping her safe from endless nights; enduring hardship after hardship to ensure her safety, etc. , etc.). Guts realized his mistake immediately and took drastic actions (accepting companions) to ensure it didn't happen again. On the other hand, Femto had her friends gruesomely killed, raped her in front of her lover, drove her insane, corrupted her child, condemned her soul to the Vortex, and left her to die while his new friends cooed and laughed.

I mean... I realize that in the pages of the manga there might not be a court-ordered attorney to stand up for Guts in the circumstance that Casca starts trying to compare the two, but it would be completely unjust for Guts' actions to be tossed in with Femto's, given all other considerations.
Title: Re: Episode 355
Post by: DirtiestM on April 04, 2018, 10:53:55 PM
Does anyone think that Casca will have any guilt associated with having her troops killed during the eclipse? Something along the lines of survivor guilt or the guilt a commander losing their troops. I think it would be interesting if the group was attacked or was about to go to battle and then Casca takes lead instinctively, but in the back of Casca's mind she is reminded of the time during the Eclipse when Apostles surrounded the Band of the Falcon. It would be even more badass if Casca fights through any self doubt and leads like the baddest woman in the history of Midland.
Title: Re: Episode 355
Post by: MrFlibble on April 05, 2018, 08:02:03 PM
Does anyone think that Casca will have any guilt associated with having her troops killed during the eclipse? Something along the lines of survivor guilt or the guilt a commander losing their troops. I think it would be interesting if the group was attacked or was about to go to battle and then Casca takes lead instinctively, but in the back of Casca's mind she is reminded of the time during the Eclipse when Apostles surrounded the Band of the Falcon. It would be even more badass if Casca fights through any self doubt and leads like the baddest woman in the history of Midland.

I exoect so since, Rickert and Guts beasr similar guilt. I also think guilt over Griffith's downfall is probably going to be a factor too.
Title: Re: Episode 355
Post by: Urosh on April 05, 2018, 09:27:48 PM
Quote from: DirtiestM
Does anyone think that Casca will have any guilt associated with having her troops killed during the eclipse?

Her old character would for sure, now I don't really know how will she cope with all the memories resurfacing and what reason will she make of Guts and her surviving the whole ordeal. Then you factor the importance of their child. And maybe the guilt will shift into something else.
But what I find interesting the most is Farnese's involvement with her healing process. Will she form a corporeal-astral duo with Casca, just like Guts and Schierke have?
:casca:  :farnese:    :guts:  :schierke:
Title: Re: Episode 355
Post by: BiQ-- on April 06, 2018, 11:25:31 AM
But what I find interesting the most is Farnese's involvement with her healing process. Will she form a corporeal-astral duo with Casca, just like Guts and Schierke have?
:casca:  :farnese:    :guts:  :schierke:

Not that I would be against such a thing, (it would certainly be very cool) but I have hard time seeing it happen, for multitude of reasons. First, I'm not sure Casca even needs astral anchor like Guts since she doesn't have a berserker armor to dig up a murderous inner demon - which, secondly, she has not shown a sign of developing herself. Of course, that last point might prove to be untrue now that she starts to actually process the hell that was thrusted upon her. For some reason I still have hard time seeing Casca mirror Guts that closely. Third, I'm not sure Farnese's hands are yet free to take up that kind of role - doesn't Schierke still need a close-quarters protection when she's out in astral form?
Title: Re: Episode 355
Post by: Walter on April 06, 2018, 03:35:30 PM
Does anyone think that Casca will have any guilt associated with having her troops killed during the eclipse? Something along the lines of survivor guilt or the guilt a commander losing their troops.

Perhaps that's how she'll process some of the trauma of the Eclipse, but that wasn't her focus during the Eclipse itself. She wasn't fretting her commanding abilities then, btu she was just wondering why this was happening, and why Griffith had done this to them.

For some reason I still have hard time seeing Casca mirror Guts that closely.

Yep.
Title: Re: Episode 355
Post by: grendelrt on April 07, 2018, 06:25:40 PM
Glad to see old sk members that are still around. Cheers.

I haven't been on here in a while, but my first reaction after reading the episode today was, Man I got to see what everyone on Skullknight is saying haha. It was glorious!
Title: Re: Episode 355
Post by: Theozilla on April 10, 2018, 06:32:42 AM
https://twitter.com/mangamagjapon/status/983598417732558848?s=21

Saw this linked tweet on Reddit saying Episode 356 will be in the April 27th YA issue. Can the veracity of the screen-shot in the second tweet be verified?
Title: Re: Episode 355
Post by: Heiji on April 10, 2018, 06:40:53 AM
Its from me ;) so its true.
Title: Re: Episode 355
Post by: Sareth on April 10, 2018, 08:27:30 AM
Wow, so surprised and glad!  :ubik:
Title: Re: Episode 355
Post by: Aazealh on April 10, 2018, 08:50:52 AM
Its from me ;) so its true.

Nice, thanks for the info Heiji!

See, I told you guys not to always be so hasty to draw conclusions about the release schedule...
Title: Re: Episode 355
Post by: zrexe on April 10, 2018, 09:12:22 AM
Nice, thanks for the info Heiji!

See, I told you guys not to always be so hasty to draw conclusions about the release schedule...

 :ubik:  YESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS! :ubik:
Title: Re: Episode 355
Post by: Sareth on April 10, 2018, 10:29:39 AM
Nice, thanks for the info Heiji!

See, I told you guys not to always be so hasty to draw conclusions about the release schedule...

I’ve never been so happy to be wrong about something
Title: Re: Episode 355
Post by: jackson_hurley on April 10, 2018, 11:52:25 AM
Nice, thanks for the info Heiji!

See, I told you guys not to always be so hasty to draw conclusions about the release schedule...

True. And didn't they say before the serie resumed in december that it was supposed to be each month now? I know we were "on guard" to not get our hopes too high in case it was just a mini stretch of a release. But maybe it's really going monthly.  Either way it's a great news!

Thx for the heads up!
Title: Re: Episode 355
Post by: Mangetsu on April 10, 2018, 02:45:40 PM
Awsome news. Im happy aslong as we get one volume a year  :ubik:
Title: Re: Episode 355
Post by: Griffith on April 10, 2018, 03:20:15 PM
Wow, great news considering how likely a break seemed. I'm delighted I'll get to see the next episode sooner rather than later, but I was actually just thinking on the way to work how a break was good timing for me with the baby coming. The next Skullcast should be my first as a father and maybe the last before I'm divorced for podcasting instead of taking care of my infant. :ganishka:
Title: Re: Episode 355
Post by: Truder on April 10, 2018, 03:22:10 PM
See, I told you guys not to always be so hasty to draw conclusions about the release schedule...

You've been on point a lot lately. :ganishka:

Wow, great news considering how likely a break seemed. I'm delighted I'll get to see the next episode sooner rather than later:
I feel like your plea for the next episode "now now" was answered :ganishka:

Im super excited that its coming soon.
Title: Re: Episode 355
Post by: Grail on April 10, 2018, 03:41:52 PM
Today is a good day, my friends! 356, here we come! :ubik:
Title: Re: Episode 355
Post by: Jettatore on April 10, 2018, 07:07:00 PM
https://twitter.com/mangamagjapon/status/983598417732558848?s=21

Saw this linked tweet on Reddit saying Episode 356 will be in the April 27th YA issue. Can the veracity of the screen-shot in the second tweet be verified?

Thanks for the good news! :ubik:
Title: Re: Episode 355
Post by: Keratos on April 10, 2018, 10:19:33 PM
YES!! This is the best news!! I thought Berserk was on Hiatus again :guts: . Since it's the first time Miura has done 5 episodes in a row in a long time, does that mean that he'll keep releasing a episode each month from now on? :???:
Title: Re: Episode 355
Post by: Sir Schraffl on April 11, 2018, 02:36:19 PM
Holy shit yesss! Was ready to wait for months for the next episode and its actually right around the corner
Title: Re: Episode 355
Post by: NCHaskew on April 11, 2018, 03:29:38 PM
YES!! This is the best news!! I thought Berserk was on Hiatus again :guts: . Since it's the first time Miura has done 5 episodes in a row in a long time, does that mean that he'll keep releasing a episode each month from now on? :???:

From what I've noticed, it looks like he's been releasing monthly for about 6 consecutive months for the past couple years, from November to April. So I assume this will be similar. But who knows? Maybe he'll keep the train going. Fingers crossed!
Title: Re: Episode 355
Post by: Walter on April 11, 2018, 03:55:42 PM
Very happy to have been proven wrong about 356's release! I just wish YA would get their shit together in terms of announcing the schedule of releases.

From what I've noticed, it looks like he's been releasing monthly for about 6 consecutive months for the past couple years, from November to April.

Nope. The past two years have included 2 stints of 4 monthly releases. http://skullknight.net/images/eps.htm

Ive said so before, but I expect that Miura will finish out vol 40 by the end of the year, which means 2 more releases (357, 358) sometime before Dec. That would be consistent with the past two years of volume releases. It's even possible for him to release those through June, with a bound vol 40 arriving on shelves shortly after. That'd be ideal. But it would also mean that in order to keep that pace in 2019, he would have to release 8 episodes, which has not been done in close to a decade.

Either way, I feel pretty spoiled getting monthly Berserk for 5 months, with the potential of even more.
Title: Re: Episode 355
Post by: Fancypantaloons on April 11, 2018, 05:57:02 PM
Alright, Walter pays for the drinks! Let's celebrate
Title: Re: Episode 355
Post by: Urosh on April 11, 2018, 06:16:29 PM
Quote from: Walter
Either way, I feel pretty spoiled getting monthly Berserk for 5 months, with the potential of even more.
This kind of happiness feels so surreal...
Title: Re: Episode 355
Post by: Aazealh on April 11, 2018, 06:37:55 PM
Since it's the first time Miura has done 5 episodes in a row in a long time, does that mean that he'll keep releasing a episode each month from now on? :???:

It hasn't been that long. Six episodes were released in a row in late 2015. Then we had four in a row in 2016, four in a row in 2017, and the current run.

But it would also mean that in order to keep that pace in 2019, he would have to release 8 episodes, which has not been done in over a decade.

Haha, you're exaggerating a bit, we got 9 episodes in 2010. :slan:
Title: Re: Episode 355
Post by: RaffoBaffo on April 13, 2018, 11:28:17 AM
It's strage that in the Preview of YA there is no image of Berserk, and the Manga is only listed in written form.

First time since I follow the preview.
Title: Re: Episode 355
Post by: Walter on April 13, 2018, 12:40:27 PM
It's strage that in the Preview of YA there is no image of Berserk, and the Manga is only listed in written form.

First time since I follow the preview.

It's not unheard of, I wouldn't worry.
Title: Re: Episode 355
Post by: RaffoBaffo on April 13, 2018, 01:07:45 PM
It's not unheard of, I wouldn't worry.
Oh, I'm not worried, I was just curious.
Title: Re: Episode 355
Post by: The Perenium Falcon on April 13, 2018, 05:06:51 PM
Coming off my latest big re-read of Berserk I couldn’t be more excited for the future. I’d gotten a little sentimental in my last post, so I’ll spare you guys the reminisces this time. But I will say, GODDAMN what a great series. Looking back on everything, especially the point we’re on now, I do feel a certain nostalgia for the relative innocence of the Golden Age arc. It all seemed so simple then....

This was a another very satisfying episode. I’ve read it several times now, when it was first released, and again as I finished my re-read. We all have various theories for what will or will not happen next, and some are more plausible than others. But I haven’t been THIS excited in a long time.

So, what happens next? How will Casca react to Guts, to Griffith, etc etc. Will she blame Guts? Will she run back to Griffith? Will she leave and follow her own peregrinations? I don’t really see that happening, but G&C may need to go to couples counseling.....  :sad: :???: :SK:

First, from ep. 354, we know exactly what’s going through Casca’s mind in this episode. We’ve seen the memories and the emotional associations. With each step she takes another piece of the puzzle is in place, in much the same order and manner as those shattered and broken pieces of the doll. It only makes sense to me that with her last step the last fragment (the eclipse) would show its teeth. But we know what this memory contains, and it does not associate Guts with Femto or the horrors of the festival. He was a victim the same as her, not the catalyst. In fact, it’s the loss of her comrades, the terror of the rape, and Guts’ struggle to save her. This trauma is what broke her mind to begin with, so this is not an unexpected reaction.

Following this train of thought is the complication of “Elaine.” The final piece of the puzzle is Elaine returning to the body of the doll. Throughout the dream she is terrified of Dog-Guts, running in fear at the sight of his snout. I would not at all be surprised if this fear manifests in Casca shortly after Guts reaches her. I see this as a complication, but not some insurmountable obstacle. All the issues and concerns that others have brought up in Guts’ treatment of her will have to be dealt with, I think it would be unsatisfying if they were ignored.

From this, I imagine she will continue having flashbacks, moments or horror and revulsion, but will lean on Guts as the only one who truly understands what it’s like living in a world they now find themselves in. I rather like the idea of Casca stripping off the armor Guts wears, it works both literally and figuratively, and would be a wonderful mirror to their first sparks of intimacy. Guts bears so many more scars for her now, I can imagine her feeling more than a little concerned/regretful that he put himself in harms way for her so many times. I don’t think intimacy will come easily either, as it’s clear from her nightmares that she does have loads of phallic trauma. I just hope Guts doesn’t find himself too eager to impress upon her just how deep his desire goes....

Guts will be overcome with emotion himself, and we’ll probably see the first tears shed by him in a while. I just hope he can finally see Casca smile again.  :judo:

I’m just as interested to see how the new group dynamic works. Surely, if Isidro heard of the Hundred-Man Slayer, he also heard tales of The Hawks’ famous female captain?

But I wouldn’t be surprised if all the excitement is cut short by some sort of invasion. If Griffith/God Hand is going after all the Spirit Trees, Elfhelm wouldn’t be far on their list. Also, how aware do you think Griffith is of Casca’s restoration? The World of Dreams seems to be a plane the God Hand is not unfamiliar in walking. And with Griff being all or nearly omniscient now, surely he’d have some intuition of what’s going on there?

So nothing very revelatory in this here post. Just some thoughts that have probably been stated better elsewhere. Yet there’s so much more to discuss! To Wally, Griff, Cronus, et al who have mentioned all us old farts getting together, count me in! I’ve enjoyed the podcast, and would love to be a participant.

‘Til Next Time!
Title: Re: Episode 355
Post by: Yozuru on April 19, 2018, 09:33:28 PM
I feel so fulfilled and full on anticipation! More Berserk on the Horizon woooo!  :ubik:
Title: Re: Episode 355
Post by: Faded on April 20, 2018, 03:39:06 AM
What I personally hope we will see in the short term moving forwards is Casca show off her kick ass warrior side on a mini side quest while Guts gets this astral wound dealt with by Danaan.

I don't know about you guys but Guts still carrying around what was described by Schierke as a very serious spiritual as well as physical wound doesn't sit well with me. He is truly on the brink physically and I would love to see Danaan work some magic on him (which will hypothetically take time), in the mean time Casca leads the rest of the gang to go do a short side quest to get an ingredient needed in the healing process (or something totally less lame). I think Guts will need to be at least somewhat healthy rather than wavering on the edge and relying on intervention from astral entities during some of the upcoming big inevitable battles. The Berserker armor is taking enough of a toll as it is, this astral wound is just a bit much for the struggler at this point methinks.  :guts:

Knowing Berserk nothing like what I just described will happen though. Bah, all I really want to see is Casca split some dudes head in half with a sword like the good ol' days (seeing Isidro's reaction to Warrior Casca will be priceless) and I'm sure it won't be long until that happens, what ever direction the story goes in.   :carcus:

Title: Re: Episode 355
Post by: Aazealh on April 20, 2018, 05:30:21 AM
I don't know about you guys but Guts still carrying around what was described by Schierke as a very serious spiritual as well as physical wound

There are two wounds. One on the chest, one on the back.
Title: Re: Episode 355
Post by: Faded on April 20, 2018, 03:14:33 PM
There are two wounds. One on the chest, one on the back.


All the more reason to get the poor guy somewhat patched up! I highly doubt he will ever be 100% healthy again in the series but it would be very cool to see what kind of power Guts has when he is not carrying around more than one near crippling injuries. Would he be able to best Zodd in a marginally better condition? I think so especially with the aid of the Berserker armor. Fun to speculate about.