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Title: Episode 237
Post by: Graywords on March 19, 2004, 09:14:19 AM
Chapter 237

http://war3.dnsalias.com/berserk_vol28_ch237_RAW.zip.torrent

http://bitconjurer.org/BitTorrent/

OR

www.skullknight.net/manga/237/01.jpg (http://www.skullknight.net/manga/237/01.jpg)

http://pwp.netcabo.pt/zexito/cap%20237/01.jpg (http://pwp.netcabo.pt/zexito/cap%20237/01.jpg)


Yes, it's that time again already!

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Episode 237: Divined Omen

(http://skullknight.net/manga/ep237preview.jpg)

Guts: "Yeah, with all this moonlight...   we're not gonna be getting to sleep anytime soon."

Now IMAGINE!
Title: Re:Episode 237
Post by: krunkster on March 19, 2004, 03:53:26 PM
What's that thing in his hair that he's talking to?
Title: Re:Episode 237
Post by: dariop on March 19, 2004, 03:56:10 PM
part of his sword.
Title: Re:Episode 237
Post by: Walter on March 19, 2004, 05:20:51 PM
I smell a Skully conversation. Fireside barbeque chat revelation anyone?
Title: Re:Episode 237
Post by: dwarfkicker on March 19, 2004, 05:26:31 PM
Maybe we'll find out about SK's origin.  Wishful thinking huh?

I hope Guts will armor up his arms.  The armor looks cooler that way.
Title: Re:Episode 237
Post by: Griffith on March 19, 2004, 06:27:28 PM
Now IMAGINE!

Ahem, I'll go ahead and fill in the gaps on this chapter.

(http://www.skullknight.net/yabbse/YaBBImages/avatars/skully2.jpg)

Skull Knight: "Do you have the time of impotence to listen to a long winded story of great epicness from an old man, my old friend, surviver?"

(http://skullknight.net/manga/ep237preview.jpg)

Guts: "Yeah, with all this moonlight...   we're not gonna be getting to sleep anytime soon."

(http://www.skullknight.net/yabbse/YaBBImages/avatars/skully.jpg)

Skull Knight: "Good one, once upon a time, a long long ago, far away in a time of chaos and war, I looked like this!"

(http://www.skullknight.net/yabbse/YaBBImages/avatars/gaiseric.jpg)
BUM BUM BUM!

(http://www.skullknight.net/yabbse/YaBBImages/avatars/pocketguts.jpg)

Guts: "Duh, I figured that out like 18 volumes ago."

(http://www.skullknight.net/yabbse/YaBBImages/avatars/skbutt.jpg)

Skull Knight: "How dare you make light of my big reveal, you bumhug!! You're sick! You would die in the gutter if you didn't have me to love! Now go back to bed, before I lose my temper!"

(http://www.skullknight.net/yabbse/YaBBImages/avatars/zoddyaoi.jpg)

Zoddo: "R U PLANNG 2 WOK DOWN TEH SME PATH AS HIM BLAK SWORDSMAN??!!!!??! OMG TEH PATH OF H3L?111!1!?!???! OMG WTF LOL"

That's EXACTLY how it will go down, I shit you not.

-Griffith
Title: Re:Episode 237
Post by: xechnao on March 19, 2004, 06:40:49 PM
Why can't they sleep under moonlight?
Makes me think of werewolves.
Title: Re:Episode 237
Post by: Griffith on March 19, 2004, 06:46:53 PM
Why can't they sleep under moonlight?
Makes me think of werewolves.

Or because most people sleep in the dark? =)

Well, I presume they've left the cabin and continued their journey. If we go by the Skully speculation, and he wants to chat them up, the excess moonlight is a good excuse to stay up and listen to stories. Guts isn't without his wit.

-Griffith
Title: Re:Episode 237
Post by: xechnao on March 19, 2004, 06:52:58 PM
Or because most people sleep in the dark? =)

Except the fact that Guts and co were supposed to be daylight sleepers and night fighters till those talismans were given.
This is why I got the urge to contrast this point with something else.
Title: Re:Episode 237
Post by: delly on March 19, 2004, 07:12:53 PM
LOL Griffith you should write Berserk comedy doujinshi or something, your post cracked me up! The retarded Zoddo convo almost made me wet my pants, haha!
Title: Re:Episode 237
Post by: Griffith on March 19, 2004, 07:13:53 PM
Except the fact that Guts and co were supposed to be daylight sleepers and night fighters till those talismans were given.
This is why I got the urge to contrast this point with something else.

I'm well aware of that, so much so I anticipated this response. That wasn't really my point, and if you think about it, it only further suggests that there's some other reason they aren't going to sleep, such as talking with Skully. Though, I am not at all opposed to the addition of werewolves in the series. ;)

-Griffith
Title: Re:Episode 237
Post by: Majin Tenshi on March 19, 2004, 07:14:21 PM
they used to sleep?  I thought it was travel all day, and fight for your life at night...
Title: Re:Episode 237
Post by: Griffith on March 19, 2004, 07:22:02 PM
they used to sleep?  I thought it was travel all day, and fight for your life at night...

Yeah, no wonder this has taken so long.

-Griffith
Title: Re:Episode 237
Post by: kimchan on March 19, 2004, 08:30:25 PM
Hmm, interesting.  Another fireside chat would be great. ^_^

It also makes me think of Locus a bit, but I think we can safely rule that out.
Title: Re:Episode 237
Post by: xechnao on March 19, 2004, 09:58:55 PM
Hey, Majin they used to sleep, yes. Remember when Farnese was lost and found what Isidro was telling her?

Anyway I mentioned werewolves for a joke. I find it more possible to be what Griffith said, something like next night Schierke not be able to sleep because of moonlight and on occasion Guts to stress their march go on, as he seems a bit worried about the talismans duration.
Anyway I ain't sure this is next night (moon seems exactly the same I'ld say) and it's a bit strange moonlight poses a problem while inside.
It could also be that there were too many insects in the hut or anyway something like that, haha*.
Anyway supernatural night stalkers is a possibility, the supernatural ones that won't get impressed by your firecamp.
Hehe, what about lycanthropes indeed? Lol, I also imagine a connection with Guts' beast.
AOOOOOOO!!!!!!



*PS: now that I am thinking seriously about it, it must be Farnese fumbling a spell and destroying that poor shelter or something  ;D
Title: Re:Episode 237
Post by: Uriel on March 19, 2004, 10:18:19 PM
A long chat with Skully would be grande, only this time without the cryptic shit!

As for the sleep thing, didn't Guts say that Flora's talisman have been keeping the demons away? And he complains about a little moonlight :p ::)

Griffith: EXCELLENT. If it doesn't go down like that, I will be shocked and disgusted.
Title: Re:Episode 237
Post by: dwarfkicker on March 20, 2004, 01:26:25 AM
Guts is definitly going to be conversing with Skull Knight outside.  After all, Guts did sense his presence with his brand.  Not knowing that it's SK he got all armored up to face what he thought would be a threat.  I bet money that's the way it'll go down.  $50 bucks, any takers? ;D
Title: Re:Episode 237
Post by: Griffith on March 20, 2004, 02:02:28 AM
Guts is definitly going to be conversing with Skull Knight outside.  After all, Guts did sense his presence with his brand.  Not knowing that it's SK he got all armored up to face what he thought would be a threat.  I bet money that's the way it'll go down.  $50 bucks, any takers? ;D

That's a bad bet for you since Skully doesn't cause Guts brand to bleed and he knows that.

-Griffith
Title: Re:Episode 237
Post by: dwarfkicker on March 20, 2004, 02:17:46 AM
But he's able to sense his presence right? Eh, maybe there'll be some action in the chapter as well.  I for one think they need a little more down time.
Title: Re:Episode 237
Post by: SaiyajinNoOuji on March 20, 2004, 02:26:51 AM
HOHOHO! Well after the little break that Bakou gave me with the scans, I will do this chapter, so Greywords, you will be molested once again.  :-* Well with the whole idea of Skully is pretty cool, I wouldnt mind Guts taking on his first berage of water apostiles (Not counting the Kelpie)  ;D
Title: Re:Episode 237
Post by: Griffith on March 20, 2004, 02:56:12 AM
But he's able to sense his presence right?

That may be, but it's not the same as when he senses evil. Anyway, I think Guts would armor up just for leaving the cabin for any possible extended period of time, considering his condition. And for all we know, they're already out and about when they meet Skully, if they're going to.

-Griffith
Title: Re:Episode 237
Post by: Bakou on March 20, 2004, 03:53:53 AM
Oh but saiya, think you can get the scans first?? ><

But seriously I'm cancelling my stupid porno hosting anyway so someone else would have to host them.  People used up almost 7 gigs of bandwidth so far downloading chapter 236, we should start using BitTorrent o_O
Title: Re:Episode 237
Post by: ZKK on March 20, 2004, 04:42:40 AM
I could volunteer to host the current chapters.
I have 30mb of web space, with no transfer limit.

Hm, and with this chapterís title being ďDivined OmenĒ, and if Guts and Skull Knight do actually end up having a conversation this chapter, do you think that maybe it might be a heart-to-heart about Gutsí new armour? Devine being a deity, a god-like character; say Skull KnightÖ and if going by what was hinted at about the armour back at Floraís mansion, what better omen is there than Skull Knight explaining to Guts how he came to be as he is. Ah, wishful thinking.

Sorry, just wanted to offer to help out.
Just thought Iíd best stay on topic at the same time.
Title: Re:Episode 237
Post by: SaiyajinNoOuji on March 20, 2004, 05:46:41 AM
Oh but saiya, think you can get the scans first?? ><

But seriously I'm cancelling my stupid porno hosting anyway so someone else would have to host them.  People used up almost 7 gigs of bandwidth so far downloading chapter 236, we should start using BitTorrent o_O

Haha, probably not since it takes 3 days for stuff from Mainland to come down to lil' ol Okinawa. So seeing how you got yours before me, chances are you would do it again. But I am going to Email my web hosting to see if I can make a deal with unlimited bandwidth, anyways though, I think Guts would go to the bathroom in his armor, its just he is that paranoid about spirts coming about. But either way, I dont there will be that much fighting in this episode.  :)
Title: Re:Episode 237
Post by: DemonX on March 20, 2004, 05:54:37 AM
Well, to me, the name divined omen kinda sounds like guts sees an omen like a hawk or somthing like that.
Title: Re:Episode 237
Post by: roberto999 on March 20, 2004, 07:52:21 AM
It is not so much important if Guts and Skully will have a chat like what the presence of Skully will portend. Generally when Skully shows up something major soon or later happens. Maybe not this issue, maybe not the following but soon we should have some clue about what that is..
Title: Re:Episode 237
Post by: sin__lust on March 20, 2004, 12:38:32 PM
the title looks like a signal which tells us the spiritual world and the physical world will become one completely in " the city of hawk",i wonder what will the world look like,maybe the we can see Slan's human form by that time~~ ;D

Guts"indeed,with all this moonlight..........it's really hard to get to sleep anymore"~~
Title: Re:Episode 237
Post by: dwarfkicker on March 20, 2004, 03:12:31 PM
I competely forgot about the merging of worlds.  Now that would be something.
Title: Re:Episode 237
Post by: TheSkyTraveller on March 20, 2004, 07:39:15 PM
Damn, preview time again already?  With getting the YA a whole week late here, I'm totally out of whack.  Thanks for the translation, Graywords.
Title: Re:Episode 237
Post by: SexyCharlotte on March 20, 2004, 07:44:13 PM
Damn, preview time again already?  With getting the YA a whole week late here, I'm totally out of whack.  Thanks for the translation, Graywords.

At long last we can also start to speculate even more about Void and the other Godhand as well if Skullknight tells his epic tale. I imagine it's going to be along the lines of the Epic of Gilgamesh or something :)
Title: Re:Episode 237
Post by: Griffith on March 20, 2004, 09:35:55 PM
At long last we can also start to speculate even more about Void and the other Godhand as well if Skullknight tells his epic tale. I imagine it's going to be along the lines of the Epic of Gilgamesh or something :)

Skully: "Yeah, I've got a boat."

-Griffith
Title: Re:Episode 237
Post by: xechnao on March 20, 2004, 10:01:48 PM
Could it be that the talisman's spell effect is a moltipilcation of the moonlight around the branded in a way that shadow can't reach them?
Maybe moonlight tonight is so heavy that gets created the most flashy disco effects around them.
My other bet is that Farnsese messed up with spells or something.
Anyway something like either Farnese spellings or talismans must have a conection with moonlight.
Can't find an alternative gUyS.!.!.!!!  :P
Title: Re:Episode 237
Post by: iggy on March 20, 2004, 10:02:14 PM
(this chapter summary)
At last, Olivier made a huge mistake.
With this summary, which is completely accurate and plausible, we finally have the proof that him and Griffith are the same person.
But then, which one is the nice caring personality and which one is the crazy serial killer who kills random old ladies and eat their cute little dog personality?
Title: Re:Episode 237
Post by: Uriel on March 20, 2004, 11:39:42 PM
At last, Olivier made a huge mistake.
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Pardon my stupidity, but just how is Hague wrong?  :-\
Title: Re:Episode 237
Post by: SaiyajinNoOuji on March 20, 2004, 11:47:46 PM
At last, Olivier made a huge mistake.
With this summary, which is completely accurate and plausible, we finally have the proof that him and Griffith are the same person.
But then, which one is the nice caring personality and which one is the crazy serial killer who kills random old ladies and eat their cute little dog personality?
What the crack?  ???
Title: Re:Episode 237
Post by: korkor on March 20, 2004, 11:51:35 PM
lol

i knew it!
Title: Re:Episode 237
Post by: kimchan on March 21, 2004, 12:22:24 AM
At last, Olivier made a huge mistake.
With this summary, which is completely accurate and plausible, we finally have the proof that him and Griffith are the same person.
But then, which one is the nice caring personality and which one is the crazy serial killer who kills random old ladies and eat their cute little dog personality?

I guess someone doesn't know the theory about Hague's true identity...
Title: Re:Episode 237
Post by: Griffith on March 21, 2004, 12:27:33 AM
Anyway something like either Farnese spellings or talismans must have a conection with moonlight.
Can't find an alternative gUyS.!.!.!!!  :P

Almost anything else?

-Griffith
Title: Re:Episode 237
Post by: Shurikn on March 21, 2004, 03:34:41 AM
At last, Olivier made a huge mistake.
With this summary, which is completely accurate and plausible, we finally have the proof that him and Griffith are the same person.
But then, which one is the nice caring personality and which one is the crazy serial killer who kills random old ladies and eat their cute little dog personality?
wtf are you saying ?!?!
Title: Re:Episode 237
Post by: dwarfkicker on March 21, 2004, 04:04:47 AM
I don't recall Oliver even posting anything on this chapter.
Title: Re:Episode 237
Post by: Griffith on March 21, 2004, 04:51:09 AM
Jesus guys, he was just making a silly, supposed to be throw away, joke. He was referring to my "summary" of the chapter earlier in the thread and saying that it was so true that it proves Olivier and I are the same person. He was in fact paying Olivier a compliment of sorts. Yeah, it wasn't very clear, but I just appreciate that he didn't annoyingly quote my entire post, pictures and all. Can we talk about Berserk now?

-Griffith
Title: Re:Episode 237
Post by: sin__lust on March 21, 2004, 11:46:18 AM
~~i wonder how long it's gonna to take for guts to recover,or his condition is going to stay till the end~~poor guy,he only had sex once(well, i mean human sex) ;D~~

~~glad to see his relationship with Mr foxy is getting better~~

actually,i'd like the quiet stays for cup of episodes
Title: Re:Episode 237
Post by: Aquedesin on March 21, 2004, 01:15:18 PM
Zoddo: "R U PLANNG 2 WOK DOWN TEH SME PATH AS HIM BLAK SWORDSMAN??!!!!??! OMG TEH PATH OF H3L?111!1!?!???! OMG WTF LOL"[/center]

Well, you sure are not the Hague, but Skull-lord must have caught you...
Title: Re:Episode 237
Post by: Suavo-kun on March 21, 2004, 10:41:09 PM
~~i wonder how long it's gonna to take for guts to recover,or his condition is going to stay till the end~~poor guy,he only had sex once(well, i mean human sex) ;D~~

~~glad to see his relationship with Mr foxy is getting better~~

actually,i'd like the quiet stays for cup of episodes


He had at least sex twice...  Remember when Gambino sold him?
Title: Re:Episode 237
Post by: Nomad on March 21, 2004, 11:04:42 PM
Im still kinda trying to figure out Guts's new armor... ::).  In any case...what will Griffith do to Charlotte???
Title: Re:Episode 237
Post by: xechnao on March 21, 2004, 11:24:14 PM
In any case...what will Griffith do to Charlotte???

He'll bite her ear.
Title: Re:Episode 237
Post by: LordofMasks on March 22, 2004, 12:38:37 AM
And other Parts.... :o ;D

Hope Guts gets more... :P

lordofmasks
Title: Re:Episode 237
Post by: namayias on March 22, 2004, 03:42:10 AM
sex three times ( if you include the gambino incident)
remember beginning of volume 1 when he was sexing up the apostle woman.
Title: Re:Episode 237
Post by: *Gyom* on March 22, 2004, 05:39:30 AM
Slann have had sex with him but I wonder if it applies also him  :P

Guil
Title: Re:Episode 237
Post by: Aquedesin on March 22, 2004, 05:53:14 AM
He sure stuck his sword in her that's true...  ;D
Title: Re:Episode 237
Post by: Olivier Hague on March 22, 2004, 07:15:01 AM
In any case...what will Griffith do to Charlotte???
[size=8]ENJOY & EXCITING!![/size]
Title: Re:Episode 237
Post by: sin__lust on March 22, 2004, 11:30:12 AM
sex three times ( if you include the gambino incident)
remember beginning of volume 1 when he was sexing up the apostle woman.

~~that is a monster sex :'(~~

~~and about Griffith and Charlotte

~~my theory:they will make a baby first~~ and the baby will eat Charlotte after he/she is born~~~.......sounds odd? :-\
Title: Re:Episode 237
Post by: Sparnage on March 22, 2004, 11:48:26 AM
yeah, of course, the demon bitch at the start making 3 times. Though deciding if that counts is a hard one that gets into a metaphysical dilemma, there may have been penetration but he probably didnt have much chance to finish up with her trying to kill him and all.
Title: Re:Episode 237
Post by: Griffith on March 22, 2004, 02:14:06 PM
Wow, this is going to be the first current chapter thread to get locked before we even have a summary of the chapter, let alone scans. Could you guys shut up? Take this little conversation about how many monsters Guts has "stabbed" (OMGLOL!) to the trash can.

I can't wait for Wednesday when Hague's summary will wash this filth away.

-Griffith
Title: Re:Episode 237
Post by: Majin Tenshi on March 22, 2004, 05:07:03 PM
yes... it always amazes me how much posting a tiny little picture can generate.  
Title: Re:Episode 237
Post by: dwarfkicker on March 22, 2004, 06:27:27 PM
I don't understand how we go from a picture of Guts all armored up in the moonlight to "how many people has Guts boned."  Put that shit in the Character Cove or Miscellaneous sections.

*Waits for Saiya to come in and lay down the law*
Title: Re:Episode 237
Post by: PsychoJavexx on March 22, 2004, 08:58:31 PM
Chapter Summary!

Skully:  Your daddy's noodles... *leaves*
Guts:  Come back here!  He left again...

Chapter Summary! End
Title: Re:Episode 237
Post by: Grifth on March 22, 2004, 11:29:01 PM
Quote
Skully:  Your daddy's noodles... *leaves*
Guts:  Come back here!  He left again...
you're fired
Title: Re:Episode 237
Post by: Trashcan on March 23, 2004, 01:56:11 AM
Following the easiest(stupidest) path of interpretation:

Divined Omen

An omen that has been discovered through divination. This would definitely fit the profile of something Skully would be telling Guts. It's a warning, and since divination is not always 100% accurate, what comes out of it isn't clear as crystal. Besides, I think Miura gets off on hinting about things to the readers, and uses SK to do so from time to time.
Title: Re:Episode 237
Post by: PsychoJavexx on March 23, 2004, 10:04:21 AM
You can't fire me!  I'm not a pirate!
Title: Re:Episode 237
Post by: Shurikn on March 23, 2004, 06:58:46 PM
You can't fire me!  I'm not a pirate!

Shut up

Wow, this is going to be the first current chapter thread to get locked before we even have a summary of the chapter, let alone scans. Could you guys shut up? Take this little conversation about how many monsters Guts has "stabbed" (OMGLOL!) to the trash can.

I can't wait for Wednesday when Hague's summary will wash this filth away.

-Griffith
Title: Re:Episode 237
Post by: Fishbomb on March 24, 2004, 08:59:36 AM
Well... I for one can't help but wait in anticipation of the adventure of the slightly black swordsman...

But seriously. Does anyone but me wonder what Skullknight will have to say about ~Guts~ new armour? After all it have had a huge impact on him already, and I can't help but wonder if Skullknight's appearance is due to that.

Title: Re:Episode 237
Post by: Olivier Hague on March 24, 2004, 01:27:18 PM
How the hell am I supposed to summarize that?...
Er... Guts, Schierke and the Skull Knight talk. A lot.
Title: Re:Episode 237
Post by: waqas on March 24, 2004, 01:35:41 PM
Er... Guts, Schierke and the Skull Knight talk. A lot.

 :o

Mind-blowing, absolutely mind-blowing.
Title: Re:Episode 237
Post by: Walter on March 24, 2004, 01:54:27 PM
Oooh, an unexpected co-ed slumberparty!  I didn't expect Poopsie to get in on the late-night chat. I still wonder if she's met Skully before or perhaps was told about him by Flora.  She seemed to recognize him in ep. 221.

As the domain name infers, I like long, cryptic Skull Knight talks. A lot.
Title: Re:Episode 237
Post by: Olivier Hague on March 24, 2004, 02:00:45 PM
How the hell am I supposed to summarize that?...
Er... Guts, Schierke and the Skull Knight talk. A lot.
Well, basically...

What happens:
Guts and Schierke talk.
The Skull Knight appears.
They all talk.
It looks like the Skull Knight leaves again at the end of the episode.

They do talk about a lot of things, but I'll focus on the "new revelations"...

What we learn:
It was hinted in the previous episode and it's now confirmed: Guts is losing his senses because of his armor. There are colors he can't see anymore or won't be able to see anymore eventually, he's losing his taste, his hands are trembling, etc. If he keeps using his armor, he'll lose many more things. Light, voice, warmth...
The Skull Knight did wear Guts' Berserk armor, a long time ago.
He and Flora were still mortal back then, and they were friends (a bit like Guts and Schierke are now).
Guts and Schierke believed they could control the armor, but the Skull Knight explains that it will _always_ be dangerous (and when Guts later hears about Griffith, the armor indeed starts to transform). Apparently, it's not impossible for Guts to remain human, but it won't be easy.
Griffith attacked Flora because a witch is a bigger threat than a ten thousand men army, as far as he's concerned.
The Skull Knight says that the "king of the fairies" (called "Hanafubuku ‘", and I really don't know how to translate that right now) lives at Elfhelm. Schierke knows about him, as he's mentioned in sorcery books, but also in poems and tales. According to the Skull Knight, he should be able to cure Casca.
Title: Re:Episode 237
Post by: Walter on March 24, 2004, 02:04:22 PM
Great googly moogly...  That's quite a series of revelations:  Confirming a previous and oblique clue to Skully and Flora's past.  I'm hoping for at least a panel or two of Flora and Skully from 1000 years ago. And a King of Faeries?  I honestly didn't expect Casca to be cured for a longer period than the DC Game's "cameo appearance". I guess I'm just a pessimist.

Thanks, as always Olivier.
Title: Re:Episode 237
Post by: waqas on March 24, 2004, 02:11:38 PM

The Skull Knight says that the "king of the fairies" (called "Hanafubuku ‘", and I really don't know how to translate that right now) lives at Elfhelm. Schierke knows about him, as he's mentioned in sorcery books, but also in poems and tales. According to the Skull Knight, he should be able to cure Casca.

OMG, hope for casca? To be honest I'm mighty skeptical that the fairy king will be the answer to her troubles.

Casca has been in her mental state for such a long time now, it seems very unlike Miura to simply hand them salvation on a plate. Although it will likely be very difficult actually getting too the fairy king, and who knows what will hapeen when they get to elfhelm? There is no reason to assume that the king will be a nice guy. A lot to think about...
Title: Re:Episode 237
Post by: Mage on March 24, 2004, 02:19:07 PM
Ahh...I feel kind of disappointed at how cursed the armor is.  It was all hinted at beforehand, though, through its visual association with Skullknight (with the skull-shaped helm, etc.)  I wonder about Casca, but speculating on that would open a whole other can of worms.  

So Skully leaves as usual...I wonder what exactly he's doing.  I was hoping he'd reveal some of his agenda for once.  I guess if something goes down in Elfhelm, though, he might reappear.

Title: Re:Episode 237
Post by: Smith on March 24, 2004, 02:19:19 PM
According to the Skull Knight, he should be able to cure Casca.

WTF? Finally we can get to see the chance for Casca to recover again... Yay there is hope for her now!!!  ;D


Does SK reveal a lot about his past and his relation or history with Gaiseric?
Title: Re:Episode 237
Post by: waqas on March 24, 2004, 02:26:08 PM
WTF? Finally we can get to see the chance for Casca to recover again... Yay there is hope for her now!!!  ;D


Does SK reveal a lot about his past and his relation or history with Gaiseric?

Re-read Olivier's post, he said he has only focused on the "new revelations", hence nothing else mentioned was new.

To be honest though, I don't think Skully will reveal more about himself during one of these cosy little chats, he's probably put Guts on a "need to know basis", so I think think he'll reveal more when hew feels he has to.

Though that's just speculation on my part..  
Title: Re:Episode 237
Post by: Griffith on March 24, 2004, 02:29:02 PM
Holy hell yeah! That is pretty damn impressive. I'm glad the armor issues aren't solved at all, I can't wait to see Guts get more rough and fucked up as time goes on, ultimate struggles within rock. ;)

So I guess Guts was lying in the last issue after he ate the food. I also wonder if there is a lot more white hair in Guts' future. Let's say his hair goes totally white and his appearance ages about 10 to 15 years: Guts final form will BE Rutger Hauer. ;D

Re-read Olivier's post, he said he has only focused on the "new revelations", hence nothing else mentioned was new.

To be honest though, I don't think Skully will reveal more about himself during one of these cosy little chats, he's probably put Guts on a "need to know basis", so I think think he'll reveal more when hew feels he has to.

Though that's just speculation on my part..  

Yeah, it makes sense that he wouldn't just start babbling about himself. "Hey, let me tell you all about me and my past, because the audience really wants to hear it!" But, I think it will hapen eventually under the correct circumstances. I mean, Guts has never asked and doesn't give a shit, but maybe later when they can better relate to each other. 8)

BTW...

(http://www.skullknight.net/yabbse/YaBBImages/avatars/skully2.jpg)

Skull Knight: "I know of a one surviving wanderer of survival death! A great fairy king, that may cure that branded woman of yours with the big... hair."

(http://www.skullknight.net/yabbse/YaBBImages/avatars/pocketguts.jpg)

Guts: "Oh wow! Gee, thanks for letting me know Skully... THREE FUCKIN' YEARS LATER ASSHOLE!"

(http://www.skullknight.net/yabbse/YaBBImages/avatars/skbutt.jpg)

Skull Knight: "I... had other things on my mind. I was doing a lot of Beherits back then. I mean, what sober person crashes through an eclipsed sun on a horse? God, I was fucked up." *shrugs*

I'm kinda dissapointed that Farnese, Serpico, and Isidro didn't get to meet Skully. Just their reactions would be awesome, and when's the rest of the crew going to meet the secret 7th member?

-Griffith

P.S. I hope the fairy King just looks FLAMING! =)
Title: Re:Episode 237
Post by: dwarfkicker on March 24, 2004, 02:51:53 PM
It's about time things start to look up for Casca and Guts.  But knowing Miura, it'll probably take a few volumes.
Title: Re:Episode 237
Post by: waqas on March 24, 2004, 03:04:42 PM
It's about time things start to look up for Casca and Guts.  But knowing Miura, it'll probably take a few volumes.

I agree in respect to Casca, but I think things are looking pretty grim for Guts. The very thing that has kept him alive recently is slowly destroying him from the inside. Like any drug, the armour is providing Guts' body with a high, but each time he puts it on his body is becoming more reliant on the high it provides and is beginning to ignore its normal sensory functions when the armour is not worn.

Of course Guts can simply stop putting on the armour to slowly recover - its not physically addictive like a normal drug is - but he knows he needs it to surivive his confrontations with his enemies.

In other words, our man is fucked.
Title: Re:Episode 237
Post by: dwarfkicker on March 24, 2004, 03:27:33 PM
I think eventually Guts will get rid of the armor before it destroys him.  Could you imagine the battles he would fight after that.  He would be going all out as if he had the armor and end up getting pummeled a few times.  You watch, Guts will rely on that armor too much that he won't be able to get his groove back right away if and when he loses it.  Then again, this is all mindless speculatioin on my part.
Title: Re:Episode 237
Post by: Sparnage on March 24, 2004, 04:12:15 PM
Well, basically...
What we learn:
It was hinted in the previous episode and it's now confirmed: Guts is losing his senses because of his armor. There are colors he can't see anymore or won't be able to see anymore eventually, he's losing his taste, his hands are trembling, etc. If he keeps using his armor, he'll lose many more things. Light, voice, warmth...
The Skull Knight did wear Guts' Berserk armor, a long time ago.

So does this mean he is slowly dying or taking a step closer to losing his humanity? Are the senses he is losing permanent damage?

Title: Re:Episode 237
Post by: miurafan on March 24, 2004, 05:09:33 PM
Thanks for the summary Olivier.

I'm thinking the elf king will cure Casca, for a couple of reasons. I'd doubted Miura would leave her nuts until the end because it would be too boring. Eventually, he'll bring the original trio back together again, in some fashion, and when that happens it will be a lot more interesting if she's sane this time around. And considering what's happening with Guts, as well as with Griffith and Charlotte, the timing is right, story-wise, for her to regain her sanity.

To keep the relationship between Casca and Guts unresolved, it makes sense to have Casca come back to herself just as Guts is beginning to lose himself, and having her deal with his danger will give her something to focus on beyond her inevitable Griffith issues.

Miura has paralleled Casca's and Charlotte's stories in the past, and I think he will continue to do so. Casca's sanity returns and she finds that Guts, the "real" love of her past, has changed, perhaps irrevocably. Charlotte, who'd dreamed for years of Griffith coming back for her, is finally reunited with her idealized dream man, only to find that he's something beyond human. Charlotte is unaware of the horrific acts Griffith committed in order to recreate himself, or what he's capable of in the pursuit of his dream, just as Casca is unaware of the carnage Guts left in his wake during his Black Swordsman phase, or his battle against his inner beast. Both men are potentially dangerous to the women who are with them, but the women don't know that.

And with the events at the Hill of Swords revealing that the trio still have emotional ties to each other, for whatever reasons, things can only get messier. :)

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when Guts later hears about Griffith, the armor indeed starts to transform
Hee! Bless the man, he's predictable in that one respect. :)

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Griffith attacked Flora because a witch is a bigger threat than a ten thousand men army, as far as he's concerned.
Which adds credibility to the theory that elemental magic will be a balancing force to the God Hand/Apostles.

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Apparently, it's not impossible for Guts to remain human, but it won't be easy.
I wouldn't expect anything otherwise, Guts being the ultimate struggler.

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He and Flora were still mortal back then, and they were friends (a bit like Guts and Schierke are now)
Makes me wonder what "choices" Flora and Skully made that Guts and Schierke shouldn't make in the futureÖand makes me wonder if Flora is gone for good.

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I'm kinda dissapointed that Farnese, Serpico, and Isidro didn't get to meet Skully
Me, too. But they haven't met Griffith yet, either. Ah, the fun to look forward toÖ
Title: Re:Episode 237
Post by: Majin Tenshi on March 24, 2004, 06:14:04 PM
Kinda makes me wonder what Casca is gonna do when she "wakes up."
Casca:  "WHAT THE HELL!  I need a haircut!"

But y'know, if she retains her memories of being insane, she might have reason to fear Guts.  Remember her being tied up... and bit...
Title: Re:Episode 237
Post by: LordofMasks on March 24, 2004, 07:00:27 PM
I am not getting a thing of this Chapter...when does it appear...  ???8)

lordofmasks
Title: Re:Episode 237
Post by: xechnao on March 24, 2004, 07:01:03 PM

  Witches bother Griffith so I am wondering if those people at elfhelm would take some action.
Title: Re:Episode 237
Post by: DemonX on March 24, 2004, 08:36:22 PM
I agree with miruafan. Probably, just when Casca comes back, she will be the only person keeping guts from insanity (or somthing close to it). That kinda sucks though that now we are so worked up over the subject but were probably gonna have to wait another 6 months before casca is even cured, IF she even is cured :-[.
Title: Re:Episode 237
Post by: SaiyajinNoOuji on March 24, 2004, 08:41:26 PM
Alright... With working 18 hour days and not getting much sleep. Next retarded post or any other post after this gets automatically deleted.
Title: Re:Episode 237
Post by: waqas on March 24, 2004, 08:55:20 PM
Alright... With working 18 hour days and not getting much sleep. Next retarded post or any other post after this gets automatically deleted.

I don't understand, what r u so offended by? What's so retarded? Plz explain...
Title: Re:Episode 237
Post by: waqas on March 24, 2004, 09:54:07 PM
YOUR DADDY'S NOODLES!!!!

Oh ok Saiyajin now I understand.
Title: Re:Episode 237
Post by: ZoddGuts on March 24, 2004, 10:00:40 PM
YOUR DADDY'S NOODLES!!!!

 ::)

Hmm I wonder how powerful the king fairy will be I guess his powerful enough to cure Casca.
Title: Re:Episode 237
Post by: nir085 on March 24, 2004, 10:15:36 PM
I think Casca being reintroduced to the story as a warrior will be cool for about a chapter or two, but after that it will just drag the plot progression down. Besides, Guts only really cares about Casca, not much else, so I would think that Casca being healed would get him to care less about Griffith, now that he would have one less reason to hate him.

But if Casca does come back into the story as a warrior, I sure hope she does more than serve as a distraction for Guts. Maybe now that Farnese is a witch apprentice she could borrow her weapons and kick ass again!
Title: Re:Episode 237
Post by: theblakeman on March 24, 2004, 10:58:10 PM
I think that the reason Skull Knight is just a figure of bones is that he wore the armor for so long that it turned him into such a thing. Think about the symptoms the armor gives: loss of taste, loss of sight, voice...
I don't know, but it seems likely since Skull Knight warns Guts about what it does, he must know from first-hand experience.
Another thing, the armor has the ability to transform, so maybe when Gaiseric wore it it was slightly different from when Guts did (this is just in my theory) even before the beast took over. Maybe once Skully gained immortality (maybe from Godhand, but since Skully is technically not an apostle it might rule that out) the armor was removed and he lived on as he is now. Of course I could be sounding like an idiot but oh well...
Title: Re:Episode 237
Post by: namayias on March 24, 2004, 11:02:13 PM
This has been said before, but i think with what we learned from Olivier's preview summary it should be re-examined.
Elfhelm will be attacked.
Reasons:
Skullknight says a witch is more of a threat than a ten thousand man army.
Puck has said before that many wizards/witches live there and i think Schierke said something also.

So what would be more of a threat than a large community of wizards/witches. If one witch was a large threat than obviously the others that exist would be just as equally a threat. So Elfhelm will probably be under attack around the time Guts and Co. arrive or soon after.

Also i see that the fairy king will probably ask them to help defend or carry out some kind of task to help defend elfhelm inorder for Casca to be cured. During this fight the armor will probably consume Guts enough to cause great damage to his humanity.
Title: Re:Episode 237
Post by: Sparnage on March 24, 2004, 11:28:43 PM
I wonder about is the pics of Gaiseric in his armor with the skull armor (which i guess is the only pic we see of him) is in fact a morphed version of the berserker armor. In Guts case the suit armor didnt change much from how it looked before morphing, so prehaps he wore it after that.
Title: Re:Episode 237
Post by: theblakeman on March 24, 2004, 11:32:05 PM
I wonder about is the pics of Gaiseric in his armor with the skull armor (which i guess is the only pic we see of him) is in fact a morphed version of the berserker armor. In Guts case the suit armor didnt change much from how it looked before morphing, so prehaps he wore it after that.
I just said the same thing up in my earlier post but I am glad I am not alone in this speculation...
Title: Re:Episode 237
Post by: nir085 on March 24, 2004, 11:50:51 PM
This has been said before, but i think with what we learned from Olivier's preview summary it should be re-examined.
Elfhelm will be attacked.
Reasons:
Skullknight says a witch is more of a threat than a ten thousand man army.

And it is for that reason that Elfhelm will not be attacked.
What Skullknight said is definitely accurate. Why else would a huge army of apostles, including Zodd and Grunbeld, attack one old dying witch? Because the witch is powerful. Now imagine a place full of witches, maybe not witches who are as strong as Flora but let's say Schierke. Schierke kicked ass in Inoku village and helped out a lot in other places. So with that said, why would Griffith send an army of apostles to a place like that? It would be lambs to the slaughterhouse. Yes Griffith has been on many daring missions before, but none of them were suicidal. Griffith is smarter than that. Griffith will try to kill them off at some point but he will just not rush into Elfhelm like a reckless idiot. At least not until Ganishka is taken care of, reducing the chances of Griffith attacking Elheim to zero.
Title: Re:Episode 237
Post by: Fletch on March 25, 2004, 12:19:27 AM
Man, I haven't been this excited about Berserk in quite some time. I've always been pleased to see new chapters, but... too much waiting, not enough major plot developement. I'm really glad that Miura got the main story arc moving swiftly again.

This has been said before, but i think with what we learned from Olivier's preview summary it should be re-examined.
Elfhelm will be attacked.
Reasons:
Skullknight says a witch is more of a threat than a ten thousand man army.
Puck has said before that many wizards/witches live there and i think Schierke said something also.

So what would be more of a threat than a large community of wizards/witches. If one witch was a large threat than obviously the others that exist would be just as equally a threat. So Elfhelm will probably be under attack around the time Guts and Co. arrive or soon after.

Also i see that the fairy king will probably ask them to help defend or carry out some kind of task to help defend elfhelm inorder for Casca to be cured. During this fight the armor will probably consume Guts enough to cause great damage to his humanity.

Well, I don't know about the other elements of your suggestion, but I am looking forward to the Battle of Elfhelm's Deep.

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And it is for that reason that Elfhelm will not be attacked.
What Skullknight said is definitely accurate. Why else would a huge army of apostles, including Zodd and Grunbeld, attack one old dying witch? Because the witch is powerful. Now imagine a place full of witches, maybe not witches who are as strong as Flora but let's say Schierke. Schierke kicked ass in Inoku village and helped out a lot in other places. So with that said, why would Griffith send an army of apostles to a place like that? It would be lambs to the slaughterhouse. Yes Griffith has been on many daring missions before, but none of them were suicidal. Griffith is smarter than that. Griffith will try to kill them off at some point but he will just not rush into Elfhelm like a reckless idiot. At least not until Ganishka is taken care of, reducing the chances of Griffith attacking Elheim to zero.

Well firstly, it didn't seem like they lost a lot of apostles vs Flora, except what Guts & the SK killed. The gollems did nothing, & her magic did little. So maybe it wouldn't be all that much of a slaughter after all. Besides, Griffith has never been one to back down from a fight, & letting Elfhelm organize a defense by delaying his attack might be just as unwise as rushing in full force.

This all of course assumes that Elfhelm hasn't already been razed. which I'm not at all sure is a safe assumption. They seem like a bigger threat, I think, than Ganishka. But that's useless to speculate on at this point because we've never even seen Elfhelm to know what kind of power they have.

That being said, I think we'll see Elfhelm go down before Ganishka. I don't think Griffith would've withdrawn from battle without good reason. I guess Charlotte MIGHT be construed as good reason, but I doubt it. I think it was just a raid to get her out as it was becomming an emergency situation (assuming she's still useful enough to him to consider her impending demise an emergency, which I think is safe since he did actually rescue her). I personally think Griffith would be able to take that upstart Apostle without too much trouble, if he committed his forces & himself to the effort. Elfhelm, to me, seems like a bigger threat.
Title: Re:Episode 237
Post by: Griffith on March 25, 2004, 12:30:58 AM
Remember Fletch, possibilities arenít important, Dr. Berserk up there already said the chances of Elfhelm being attacked are zero! ZERO! NEVER! You wouldnít understand because you like garbage like major character and plot developments. That shit blows chunks. Cascaís only cool as long as she keeps her mouth shut and doesnít have any negative impact on the story's ass kicking, kick ass, kicking ass!

-Griffith
Title: Re:Episode 237
Post by: PsychoJavexx on March 25, 2004, 01:57:13 AM
Awww, cmon guys, you didn't laugh at that?

I don't think Griffith is going to go after them at all.  They've been there for a while I'd imagine, and if he wanted to kill them all, I think he would have done that before rescuing Charlotte.  Unless she is more important, and I can't see why she would be.

And what did Guts' armor start changing into?  Back to where the helmet was covering his head, or something different?
Title: Re:Episode 237
Post by: DemonX on March 25, 2004, 02:58:30 AM
Javexx I hope all your posts are deleted  >:(.

Anyways, if you notice, Ganishka and Flora had the same type of form, they both changed into this etheral type of being. Maybe Ganishka is a wizard, and thats why griffith attacked him, except he used alot more manpower because Ganishka has a whole army behind him.
Title: Re:Episode 237
Post by: Smith on March 25, 2004, 03:12:47 AM
And it is for that reason that Elfhelm will not be attacked.


That reason alone isnt enough for you to say that Elfhelm will not be attacked... Yes Griffith will take note of that threat and he will definitely do something about it, but it will not be so soon... Not any time before defeating Ganishka (But enough time for Casca to recover and Guts to recuperate). If Griffith feel attacking that place is more dangerous than dealing with Ganishka, he himself will lead his army to fight Elfhelm... And if time coincide, Casca (sane), Guts and Griffith will meet each other face to face again...  
Title: Re:Episode 237
Post by: PsychoJavexx on March 25, 2004, 03:59:39 AM
Javexx I hope all your posts are deleted  >:(.

Any why is that?
Title: Re:Episode 237
Post by: Griffith on March 25, 2004, 05:19:43 AM
Anyways, if you notice, Ganishka and Flora had the same type of form, they both changed into this etheral type of being. Maybe Ganishka is a wizard, and thats why griffith attacked him, except he used alot more manpower because Ganishka has a whole army behind him.

Yeah, Griffith attacked him because he's a wizard! Not because he's the Kushan Emperor , occupying Midland, and holding Charlotte hostage! Also, Flora died, Ganishka is alive I'm pretty sure, so I think we're going to need more evidence than that to prove Griff attacked on the basis of his wizardry. Although, he mentioned using magic a couple of times, he's probably both a wizard and an Apostle.

Any why is that?

Acting like a stupid jackass maybe? I'm just speculating.

-Griffith
Title: Re:Episode 237
Post by: QUeeN typhonblue on March 25, 2004, 05:28:18 AM
If Casca is cured is there any reason to expect her to go charging after Griffith with Guts?

She may deal with what Griffith did during the eclipse in a very different manner then Guts, not with anger, but with resignation. And that certainly would put an interesting spin on Guts' motivations. Up to this point he's been having a hate-on for Griffith for what he did to Casca, but if she refuses to feel angry about it, or take revenge, then what is he really fighting for?

Casca's pain? Or the pain of a boy who couldn't win the one time he really needed to?
Title: Re:Episode 237
Post by: nir085 on March 25, 2004, 05:54:57 AM
He'll probably fight for the memory of the Hawks in that case.

Hehe, or maybe something totally crazy will happen and he will find out that his parents were killed in an eclipse.

And yeah, you'll are right, I shouldn't make absolute predictions like that. I just don't see Griffith attacking Elfhelm. It would be mimicking the Flora's death chapter and I don't think that the Elfhelm people may even be that big of a threat to Griffith, considering they haven't done anything to him yet. I for one think that the Ganishka substory has a longer way to go than many of you expect. Rakshas wouldn't have cared so much about him if he was just a regular tough apostle and/or wizard. I envision Elfhelm as a safehouse. Like a more intriguing and better developed Godo's place.
Title: Re:Episode 237
Post by: Lestat on March 25, 2004, 07:36:14 AM
Hi everyone, I'm new here, but I won't commit the same usual mistakes which bother everyone! I read your rules quite carefully Saya! Anyway, what I want to say is that I kinda have an idea of why Flora meant a threat to Griffith. The reason he sent part of his army to defeat her is not that she could defeat his soldiers using magic: witches are dangerous because they know that Griffith is the Hawk of Darkness, and that he's evil.
I explain myself better, I think, reminding you guys of what Schierke said when she first saw him: "The Hawk of Darkness will be the lord of the Black Sheeps (apostles and, in general, evil creatures that obey to the GH) and of the white BLIND sheeps".
Now, the real power of Griffith is his supernatural charisma, that allows him to be considered by most of humans a saviour. When we talk about black sheeps and white blind sheeps, it means there have to be white sheeps who CAN SEE THAT GRIFFITH IS EVIL. These are Guts, Schierke and Flora. And probably a lot more people down in Elfhelm.
Title: Re:Episode 237
Post by: Smith on March 25, 2004, 04:09:34 PM
he's probably both a wizard and an Apostle.

Yeah i thought of that too... So that why he may actually know that Elfhelm exist...


Anyway i think that for Ganishka case, he should be a powerful magician or archmage that was ousted by the rest of member (someone like Flora), there he lose all his ambitions and sarcrifice all those important to him, where he receive extraordinary power that could rival with Zodd, Grunbeld, Locus etc... His immortality power and magic combined with special apostle power give him the guts to challenge GH. That is of course, not without having to attain the highest level of magic possible...
Title: Re:Episode 237
Post by: Fletch on March 25, 2004, 05:18:53 PM
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If Casca is cured is there any reason to expect her to go charging after Griffith with Guts?

She may deal with what Griffith did during the eclipse in a very different manner then Guts, not with anger, but with resignation. And that certainly would put an interesting spin on Guts' motivations. Up to this point he's been having a hate-on for Griffith for what he did to Casca, but if she refuses to feel angry about it, or take revenge, then what is he really fighting for?

Casca's pain? Or the pain of a boy who couldn't win the one time he really needed to?

Me & my roommate were discussing that yesterday too. The part of Berserk I like best, I think, is that it's the greatest plausible mind fuck imaginable to poor Guts. So if I had to guess, Casca will not be pleased with what Guts is doing. She may even suggest fighting WITH Griffith. After all, he's done some pretty bad things, but he does seem like the only option for a lasting peace. Though I doubt that.

I think she'll probably want Guts to stop fighting & settle down with her, especially if she remembers the ecclipse. I doubt she'll have the will to fight after all that, plus she's probably in much worse physical shape than she used to, & out of practice with a sword.

So I think a re-examination of why he fights would certainly be in order, as you suggest. My guess is that he'll end up actually fighting for something other than revenge & other personal reasons, & he'll have to take up the sword to prevent Griffith from assuming the throne (though it'd be nice if he did get to relax for a bit first & at least try to settle down with Casca fora  year or two). The Holy See's prophecy's seem to suggest (assuming Griffith is the Dark Hawk, or antichrist, or whatever) that if Griffith takes the throne, it'll be a new Dark Age. Which is really saying something in the Berserk universe, where it's already a pretty Dark Age. Maybe a Even-More-Nightmarishly-Horrific-than-Usual Age. Probably not a Fun-for-the-Whole-Family Age, at any rate.

Also, I really like the phrase "hate-on."

If we get too far out here, just let me know & I'll move it to the Speculation area. As it is, I think this is stuff we may see happening within this volume, if not the next few chapters.
Title: Re:Episode 237
Post by: Griffith on March 25, 2004, 06:07:14 PM
Now we're talking! Good to see you back, Fletch. The Casca, Guts, Griffith angle is the one I've been looking most forward to since Griffith's rebirth and what happened at Godo's. Casca rounds out the big three in the story, and her coming back is going to affect everything. The best part is, anything can happen. She may still love and forgive Griffith despite what he's done to her and Guts. She may just want to stay away from him too, let it go, live happily ever after with Guts and let Griffith have his dream. Maybe she'll see Guts' point of view and understand a need for vengeance or justice. Maybe she'll just want to talk to Griffith and see what happens (maybe she'll think he's already lost his dream and try to convince him to stop). At the same time, a lot of these possibilities will hurt Guts. If she is still hung up on her Griffith worship, how's he going to feel? If after what Griffith did to her, she still won't stand up for herself, what's that going to do to Guts?

Okay, throw all those possibilities and anything else you can think of out the window. Griff's technically her child now. Holy Shit. That complicates the situation just a bit; now it's not just a matter of Casca and her feelings for Griffith, but the child as well. Will she decide Griffith destroyed her child, first corrupting it, and now finally sacrificing it completly for himself? Or will she see her child, the last reminants of it anyway, in Griffith and love him anyway? Pretty interesting stuff.

Maybe she'll wake up and say, "Win!" liked in Rocky II. Anyway, I want a panel of Casca full on slapping Griffith down the road, and him looking disturbed as fuck by it. =)

I envision Elfhelm as a safehouse. Like a more intriguing and better developed Godo's place.

I think your forgetting why they're going to Elfhelm in the first place. ;)

Guts was going to put up his sword and take care of Casca rather than go after Griffith, and who showed up? I'm just saying, the same thing could easily happen again. Let's say Casca is cured, wants to just settle down for a while with him, and Guts finally has a piece of real happiness. Then Griffith attacks Elfhem.

Waiter, I'll have the Beast Armor alamode with elves on the side.

-Griffith
Title: Re:Episode 237
Post by: Sparnage on March 25, 2004, 06:43:58 PM
If Casca gets her sanity back and decides she wants to try and stop Guts from going after him because she still loves him i would lose alot of respect for her character.
Maybe if she try to stop him it would be out of fear of his life to try something that could easily be considered foolish for taking on the godhand, I could understand that but we all know there is no chance now that Guts is going to accept Griffiths actions lying down now.
Title: Re:Episode 237
Post by: Nosferatubeast on March 25, 2004, 09:07:08 PM
But, what about the whole dimensions merging since Griffith's rebirth thing.  Evil is rapidly trancending over the whole Earth, and I'm pretty sure Elfhelm will be visible to humans in the future if not already.  I don't believe there will be any settling down for Guts or Casca anytime soon.  Griffith needs to be tighten up before the world completely transforms, and Guts somehow, someway is the man who will do it (of course I'm speculating).  Causality will more than likely prevent Guts from just up and quitting now.

What I rather speculate on is Guts Beherit!!!  Since Guts is experiencing or may experience in the near future similar conditions to pre-Eclipse Griffith (the tortured one).  Do you think Guts would use the Beherit on say a cured Casca, who doesn't love him anymore?  A Casca who doesn't appreciate the sacrifices Guts has made in order to avenge her and the Hawks!?!  Do you think the beast can persuade Guts to make that sacrifice?  
Title: Re:Episode 237
Post by: roberto999 on March 25, 2004, 09:18:47 PM
Do I have to tell you what this is ?
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<> STORY<> SHIRUKE which looks at the sea of night, without the ability sleeping. While carrying out the guts and talk which mourned over the crack of the body, and could not sleep too, but have been done, it will begin to shed tears, without the ability finishing suppressing the sadness which lost the flora put up with until now. After stopping crying, it smiles with having felt it refreshed after a long time. some -- dimly -- &#12392; -- it &#22211; up in the atmosphere carried out at IBARERA, saying "a first love is such GOTSUI uncle ?" -- having -- SHIRUKE -- in a hurry . The knight of &#39633;&#39631; appears there. The present state of guts "losing some colors to an eye, a tongue loses the taste. If it indicates that shaking is choked with a fingertip" and continues having the armor on, I will predict that many things will be lost. But the language is rejected and guts and SHIRUKE bombard a question. The knight of SHIRUKE "relation between you and the teacher is ?" &#39633;&#39631; "self was friends. " SHIRUKE "exactly like present you -- had not you stuck this armor? knight "of" &#39633;&#39631; -- truly --" guts "-- did Griffith make a witch's mansion attack why? Knight "one magicians may become an obstacle from an army 10,000 strong for the hawk which is out of &#29702; this world" of" &#39633;&#39631; The knight of &#39633;&#39631; who finally tells hope to one. The Lord of a fairy who governs guts' destination is an owner "shower-of-falling-cherry-blossom-petals &#12367;&#29579;" of the power stated by the tradition. If it is the king's power and it is probably possible to regain the heart by which KYASUKA was lost -- >> It continues.
Title: Re:Episode 237
Post by: theblakeman on March 25, 2004, 11:56:27 PM
Woah!  I just had a thought! Think about Skull Knight using the armor and what I said earlier about him losing his humanity, and the possibility Skully might have gained immortality from Godhand. Well, Guts has a Beherit and now is wearing the armor. Guts is a parallel of sorts to Skull Knight's past since the whole causality thing, so what if way back when, Gaiseric had a Beherit and lost his humanity (from the armor) and wanted it back so he used the Beherit to summon Godhand, Godhand granted him his wish in turn for his Empire (thusly all the dead bodies at the bottom of Tower of Rebirth with brands on them) and then didn't get quite what he wished for, and was left as Skull Knight, and because of that, wants revenge on Void!!!!
WOAH!!! I think it's a great theory if I do say so myself.
Maybe this is why Skull Knight is worried so much about Guts wearing the armor.
Title: Re:Episode 237
Post by: dwarfkicker on March 26, 2004, 12:30:19 AM
I believe it's stated somewhere that someone who is already marked as a sacrifice can not be sacrificed a second time.  So I don't think Guts will be sacrificing Casca.  I heard that some where, but I'm not sure if it's a fact.
Title: Re:Episode 237
Post by: Fishbomb on March 26, 2004, 01:08:26 AM
I believe it's stated somewhere that someone who is already marked as a sacrifice can not be sacrificed a second time.  So I don't think Guts will be sacrificing Casca.  I heard that some where, but I'm not sure if it's a fact.

If you're thinking of the first three volumes, I believe that is is stated that one who is branded can not be a sacrifice for anyone else...

as far as I know there is no place where they actually say that a branded one can not use the Beherit.

I for one wonder if they will even get off the shore, remember the warnings they got about the port a while back. Just finding a ship will be hard enough I think...

but i can't wait to read this conversation...
Title: Re:Episode 237
Post by: dwarfkicker on March 26, 2004, 01:10:28 AM
That's where I heard it from.  Thanks for jogging my memory. ;D
Title: Re:Episode 237
Post by: Mage on March 26, 2004, 02:47:09 AM
Think about Skull Knight using the armor and what I said earlier about him losing his humanity, and the possibility Skully might have gained immortality from Godhand.


When Flora and Skullknight were talking about causality (sparked by Skully looking at the armor and saying "it is causality"), Flora stated it was more of a spiral than a circle, and followed with "they (Guts + etc.) are not limited to the same path you and I have chosen,"...that, along with all the other allusions to Skullknight previously wearing the armor, made me think that Flora and Skully eventually faced a dire situation down the line and made a choice that resulted in the Skullknight we see now.  I think all this is foreshadowing that Schierke and Guts will eventually face the same choice.
Title: Re:Episode 237
Post by: xechnao on March 26, 2004, 03:20:38 AM
When Flora and Skullknight were talking about causality (sparked by Skully looking at the armor and saying "it is causality"), Flora stated it was more of a spiral than a circle, and followed with "they (Guts + etc.) are not limited to the same path you and I have chosen,"...that, along with all the other allusions to Skullknight previously wearing the armor, made me think that Flora and Skully eventually faced a dire situation down the line and made a choice that resulted in the Skullknight we see now.  I think all this is foreshadowing that Schierke and Guts will eventually face the same choice.

I believe they might allready have been there. It could be about wearing the armour and Guts did wear it.
If I remember correct (and if not I want to be corrected if pos) Schierke said that the other man who put the armor on bleeded to death. If he was talking about Skullknight, indeed I can understand how Skully ended up being what he is, inside that skullarmour of his.
I mean, if Guts dies in the armour he might eternally be bound in it.
But Guts survived. Now the fact is that the armour is cursed which it could mean it is cursed by causality to destroy and bound the person inside.
Thus even if Guts doesn't bleed to death by simply wearing he could lose his humanity and become a spirit.
Don't know though  :D. Just hinting a possibility.
Title: Re:Episode 237
Post by: Fletch on March 26, 2004, 03:35:30 AM
Thanks for the re-welcome, Griff. But yeah, I figure this will be one tremendous mind fuck for Guts one way or another, & I'm quite looking forward to seeing how exactly it goes down.
Title: Re:Episode 237
Post by: Smith on March 26, 2004, 03:45:29 AM
I for one wonder if they will even get off the shore, remember the warnings they got about the port a while back. Just finding a ship will be hard enough I think...


Would they get involved with the war raging between the kushans and midlanders? In vol23 i remember that the port was used to assemble the final fleet to fight against the Kushans...
Title: Re:Episode 237
Post by: dwarfkicker on March 26, 2004, 03:56:07 AM
I think they'll slash their way through any Kushans and then get the hell outta there.  The commotion might even alert Griffith to their location and he'll end up figuring out their plans.  Just a thought.
Title: welcome to vol28
Post by: Bakou on March 26, 2004, 05:33:43 AM
Welp I'm testing out BitTorrent.  I'm sure most of you have used it once or twice, but if not go here http://bitconjurer.org/BitTorrent/ .

Hopefully one of the mods will post it on a webpage/first page of the post soon (i already tried msging saiya!) but for now this will have to do.

anyway here it is:

http://war3.dnsalias.com/berserk_vol28_ch237_RAW.zip.torrent
Title: Re:Episode 237
Post by: Suavo-kun on March 26, 2004, 06:34:04 AM
Yay!  Thanks Bakou.  I'm going to leave the bit torrent up for a week or so every night for others to download.  I'm capping my upload to 15kb/s though.  :-*

Some points/speculations.

There is a possibility at least one person would be against Guts and company to reside at Elfhelm.  One may think he's a bad omen and may cause war.  Wait, Guts is a bad omen.  Death follows him everywhere. Who would oppose him?  A wizard?  A fairy?  A conservative?  Who knows?

I don't believe Guts or Casca will ever live in peace.  Griffith, like last time, went out in a jealousy rage seeing Guts and Casca together.  And from what I remember, Griffiths' last dream was a peaceful life with Casca back before the apocalypse.  

Also, wouldn't it be damn cool for all the wizards or witches and to have some sort of seance to upgrade (or fix) that armour and sword of his?  

Title: Re:Episode 237
Post by: Nomad on March 26, 2004, 06:51:58 AM
Now we're talking! Good to see you back, Fletch. The Casca, Guts, Griffith angle is the one I've been looking most forward to since Griffith's rebirth and what happened at Godo's. Casca rounds out the big three in the story, and her coming back is going to affect everything. The best part is, anything can happen. She may still love and forgive Griffith despite what he's done to her and Guts. She may just want to stay away from him too, let it go, live happily ever after with Guts and let Griffith have his dream. Maybe she'll see Guts' point of view and understand a need for vengeance or justice. Maybe she'll just want to talk to Griffith and see what happens (maybe she'll think he's already lost his dream and try to convince him to stop). At the same time, a lot of these possibilities will hurt Guts. If she is still hung up on her Griffith worship, how's he going to feel? If after what Griffith did to her, she still won't stand up for herself, what's that going to do to Guts?

Okay, throw all those possibilities and anything else you can think of out the window. Griff's technically her child now. Holy Shit. That complicates the situation just a bit; now it's not just a matter of Casca and her feelings for Griffith, but the child as well. Will she decide Griffith destroyed her child, first corrupting it, and now finally sacrificing it completly for himself? Or will she see her child, the last reminants of it anyway, in Griffith and love him anyway? Pretty interesting stuff.

Maybe she'll wake up and say, "Win!" liked in Rocky II. Anyway, I want a panel of Casca full on slapping Griffith down the road, and him looking disturbed as fuck by it. =)I think your forgetting why they're going to Elfhelm in the first place. ;)

Guts was going to put up his sword and take care of Casca rather than go after Griffith, and who showed up? I'm just saying, the same thing could easily happen again. Let's say Casca is cured, wants to just settle down for a while with him, and Guts finally has a piece of real happiness. Then Griffith attacks Elfhem.

Waiter, I'll have the Beast Armor alamode with elves on the side.

-Griffith

  Guts DID made a declaration of War right after the Eclipse... and so far even when Casca was fine, Guts intended to look for his dream with or without her.  He invited her but he was still going after it... @ least as far as I know (not to throw u a rock rock or something...just an observation) and so far, Guts has been a man of his word... I dont think that even Caskas opinion wont do much to his goal, or maybe Im being ignorant  ;D
Title: Re:Episode 237
Post by: puella on March 26, 2004, 06:52:18 AM
.
The Skull Knight says that the "king of the fairies" (called "Hanafubuku ‘", and I really don't know how to translate that right now) lives at Elfhelm.

Well, as far as I know, the first three kanji is pronounced "hanafubuki" which means "flowers falling in the wind/ a flower drift/ a storm of falling (cherry) blossoms".
But I can't figure out the kana "ku". I guess it means some district or territory or just some word effect, maybe?

So I'd like to call the king " king of flower storm". It sounds fucking odd? :P

Anyway, the king interests me so much.
Ah ah ah Skullknight tell us more!
Title: Re:Episode 237
Post by: Mage on March 26, 2004, 06:53:08 AM
Thanks Bakou.  As long as people keep seeding, bit torrent should be fine.

It seems the little flashback with Flora may have given a hint as to what kind of creatures the band might encounter on the seas...mermaids, sea serpents...the other page in her book has something that looks like a persian/arab (kushan?) with chicken drumstick legs.  ???
Great art in this chapter.
Title: Re:Episode 237
Post by: Griffith on March 26, 2004, 07:00:58 AM
HOLY SHIT! Well that was awesome (except page 11, I could have done without that)! I was glad to see the beast mask back, and the way it almost swallowed him, my God Miura is the man. Also, doesn't look like Skully took off at the end, usually makes some kind of exit, I hope he's sticking around for a change. Anyway, the torrent works, but call me old fashioned...

www.skullknight.net/griffith/01.jpg

I'll put both in the first post of the thread as well. Thanks Bakou.

-Griffith

P.S. I just wanted to be the first to say: Skully. Healing Factor. Yes.
Title: Re:Episode 237
Post by: roberto999 on March 26, 2004, 07:18:32 AM
Thanks Bakou  :)

Anyway in the page were they speak about the King of the elves there is indeed a panel with a shower of petals

"shower-of-falling-cherry-blossom-petals" just like nifty did transalte is name


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The Lord of a fairy who governs guts' destination is an owner "shower-of-falling-cherry-blossom-petals &#12367;&#29579;" of the power stated by the tradition.


And Casca suddenly appears just when they where speaking about a hope  to cure her...mmm
Title: Re:Episode 237
Post by: roberto999 on March 26, 2004, 07:47:42 AM

But I can't figure out the kana "ku". I guess it means some district or territory or just some word effect, maybe?

Ku is not  the number 9 (nine) in japanese? ( the series of numbers of chinese origin)

Maybe he is the ninth king of his dinasty to bear that name.
Title: Re:Episode 237
Post by: LordofMasks on March 26, 2004, 08:08:37 AM
Great Chapter...it was about time that Skullknight a longer appearence starts... ;D

lordofmasks
Title: Re:Episode 237
Post by: Aquedesin on March 26, 2004, 08:16:29 AM
Well about curing Casca, did anybody tought that the only way for her not to go crazy again his to seal or remove any too 'painful' memories of the occultation... Thus we came back to the fact that for her Griffith would only have betrayed all the hawks to get it's dream, but wasn't a complete monster... Well these tought are my two cents...
Title: Re:Episode 237
Post by: roberto999 on March 26, 2004, 08:23:31 AM
Well about curing Casca, did anybody tought that the only way for her not to go crazy again his to seal or remove any too 'painful' memories of the occultation...
Not necessarily. She has only to learn to face them if that is what the real cause of her insanity is (I doubt it). However don't worry even having only betrayed all of the hawks (Casca herself included) is more than enough
Title: Re:Episode 237
Post by: puella on March 26, 2004, 08:26:49 AM
Ku is not  the number 9 (nine) in japanese? ( the series of numbers of chinese origin)

Maybe he is the ninth king of his dinasty to bear that name.

Well, there are several kanji for the pronunciation "ku" other than "nine". But I don't think Japanese people say like that if it means the ninth king. ::)
Title: Re:Episode 237
Post by: Olivier Hague on March 26, 2004, 08:33:02 AM
Well, as far as I know, the first three kanji is pronounced "hanafubuki" which means "flowers falling in the wind/ a flower drift/ a storm of falling (cherry) blossoms". But I can't figure out the kana "ku".
The "ku" kana means that it's supposed to be read "hanafubuku", not "hanafubuki".

doesn't look like Skully took off at the end
According to the dialogues, he's about to.
Title: Re:Episode 237
Post by: puella on March 26, 2004, 08:47:28 AM
The "ku" kana means that it's supposed to be read "hanafubuku", not "hanafubuki".

Damn Japanese. ;D
Then the last sound "ki" becomes "ku"? some transformed form for some word effect?
Then the meaning is the same or different? ::)
Title: Re:Episode 237
Post by: Olivier Hague on March 26, 2004, 09:32:36 AM
Then the meaning is the same or different? ::)
"Hanafubuki" is the noun, and "hanafubuku" is the verb.
Title: Re:Episode 237
Post by: Smith on March 26, 2004, 12:09:02 PM
Amazing chapter...


Thanks for the scans Bakou...


I am starting to speculate that their journey to Elfhelm would be interesting... meeting mermaisd or encounter fish monster that is shown on the book in page 3

P.S Now i know how will Guts fight in the future, once he get piss off (especially with Griff), the beast mask would automatically covered his head and change him into the berserk mode...
Title: Re:Episode 237
Post by: Fletch on March 26, 2004, 01:25:44 PM
I like how he smacks down the beast. Bad beast, bad! Stay in my cape!
Title: Re:Episode 237
Post by: Fishbomb on March 26, 2004, 04:27:48 PM
Thanks a lot Bakou! And Griffith since Bittorrent never seems to work properly for me in sweden. Just faaaaaar too slow.

This chapter has to have one of the more creepy images in quite some time. I love p18-19, the way the beast just slowly crept into the armour was just bloody awesome.

It is indeed time for Gat.tsu to continue his slow descent into the darkness from the look of things. I think that a revitalized Caske will be need soon, if nothing else because I doubt that there is anyone else that will be able to deal with Gat.tsu when he starts to slip.

And I just can't get rid of the gruesome picture of Skullknight in the berserk armour, dead and rotting, impaled upon all those spikes until only the skeleton is left. After all, if the spirit isn't willing to depart, the armour seems to be able to sustain the body indefinetly. And we already have learned that the armour stregthens the bone and doesn't allow it to break...

I just can't wait to see what happens next. Griffith. Gat.tsu. Casca. They all seem to be starting to come into the true focus of the story again.

Which is fine because that triangle of love/hate/friendship/loyalty was the thing that got me hooked on Berserk from the start.
Title: Re:Episode 237
Post by: Griffith on March 26, 2004, 05:52:41 PM
According to the dialogues, he's about to.

That's what the little voice in the back of my mind told me you would say when I posted that. =) I don't know why he's going to leave, he's just going to show up in Elfhelm anyway, he'll probably be on the boat they use to get there, the damn creep. ;D

Thanks a lot Bakou! And Griffith since Bittorrent never seems to work properly for me in sweden. Just faaaaaar too slow.

Yeah, even though it technically got the chapter on my computer fast and easy, it just felt... unnatural. ;D It's like a big money shot without even foreplay.

This chapter has to have one of the more creepy images in quite some time. I love p18-19, the way the beast just slowly crept into the armour was just bloody awesome.

It is indeed time for Gat.tsu to continue his slow descent into the darkness from the look of things. I think that a revitalized Caske will be need soon, if nothing else because I doubt that there is anyone else that will be able to deal with Gat.tsu when he starts to slip.

And I just can't get rid of the gruesome picture of Skullknight in the berserk armour, dead and rotting, impaled upon all those spikes until only the skeleton is left. After all, if the spirit isn't willing to depart, the armour seems to be able to sustain the body indefinetly. And we already have learned that the armour stregthens the bone and doesn't allow it to break...

I just can't wait to see what happens next. Griffith. Gat.tsu. Casca. They all seem to be starting to come into the true focus of the story again.

Which is fine because that triangle of love/hate/friendship/loyalty was the thing that got me hooked on Berserk from the start.

Here here. The beast swimming up his back like a shark is one hell of a cool trick, totally unexpected and awesome. Frankly, I can't wait for it to take control of him again. Also, Flora fondly staring at Skully's armor is precious, awwwww. =)

-Griffith

P.S. Fish, censored words have been lifted, you can refer to Guts however you like, call of your punctuation of war. Damn radicals, you've won this round! ;)
Title: Re:Episode 237
Post by: Graywords on March 26, 2004, 10:28:03 PM
Personally, I find Evarella amusing in the earlier pages... although she needs to be smacked for trying to hook Schierke and Guts up :p~

This is a chapter I'd really love to translate... sadly, I'm almost certain I'll be beaten to it.  I have 8 hours of work starting in thirty minutes  :(

EDIT: nevermind, I already was.  Curse you speed demons...  ;D
Title: Re:Episode 237
Post by: Walter on March 26, 2004, 11:13:40 PM
he's just going to show up in Elfhelm anyway, he'll probably be on the boat they use to get there, the damn creep. ;
My bet is that his horse will be the boat to get to Elfhelm.  For a price, he can take you to your destiny.

(http://skullknight.net/images/ferry-sotn.gif)
Can't you just see it? Oh well...
Title: Re:Episode 237
Post by: Fishbomb on March 26, 2004, 11:30:35 PM
Here here. The beast swimming up his back like a shark is one hell of a cool trick, totally unexpected and awesome. Frankly, I can't wait for it to take control of him again. Also, Flora fondly staring at Skully's armor is precious, awwwww. =)

-Griffith

P.S. Fish, censored words have been lifted, you can refer to Guts however you like, call of your punctuation of war. Damn radicals, you've won this round! ;)

*smiles* yeah, I never ever would have expected that. I reread the whole series last week, and to compare how puny the beast is when it first arrives to this monster it has become now is rather interesting.

I just hopes that Guts eventually realises that perhaps people can do some things they regret under the influence of their darker selves.

Of course that would depend on Griffith showing even a smidgeon of regret... if he did I think Guts would crumble. But I very much doubt that he would, he's a stubborn bastard.

I have to admit that Flora and Skullknight being such friends is really something I didn't expect. How old was she anyway?

Do people still think Skullknight is Gasaerik after the recent revelations? Just wondering...

And finally... *grins* Thanks! Thanks a lot for the lifting of the ban! Makes life just a little bit easier.
Title: Re:Episode 237
Post by: Walter on March 26, 2004, 11:40:07 PM
... to compare how puny the beast is when it first arrives to this monster it has become now is rather interesting.
Or ... vice versa? In volume 17, the Beast is fucking huge. Volume 23? He's a cute lil' runt.

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I just hopes that Guts eventually realises that perhaps people can do some things they regret under the influence of their darker selves.
I think that whole "chocolate stain around Casca's areola" recurring image tells us that Guts is already convinced of this...

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I have to admit that Flora and Skullknight being such friends is really something I didn't expect. How old was she anyway?
We knew Skully and her were "old friends" since ep. 203. It's a pretty safe assumption that Flora was ~1000 years old.
Title: sweet fairy love
Post by: Bakou on March 27, 2004, 12:42:39 AM
Personally, I find Evarella amusing in the earlier pages... although she needs to be smacked for trying to hook Schierke and Guts up :p~

Even fairies know, pimpin' aint easy

But now i'd like to see someone hook ivarella up with pack o_O
Title: Re:Episode 237
Post by: xechnao on March 27, 2004, 01:57:05 AM
And I just can't get rid of the gruesome picture of Skullknight in the berserk armour, dead and rotting, impaled upon all those spikes until only the skeleton is left. After all, if the spirit isn't willing to depart, the armour seems to be able to sustain the body indefinetly. And we already have learned that the armour stregthens the bone and doesn't allow it to break...

I believe there could very well be nothing left in that armour: no bones, just Skully's spirit or that eternal flame of his (as said in translation).
[That is if his current armour is the berserker armour(what do you think?)]
I am still confused about his way to use Beherits though.
Title: Re:Episode 237
Post by: Griffith on March 27, 2004, 03:06:07 AM
[That is if his current armour is the berserker armour(what do you think?)]I am still confused about his way to use Beherits though.

Okay, I've read this several times about Skully wearing the Berserk's Armor, and I don't really understand where these people's heads are... Guts is wearing it, it's on Guts right now, Skully did wear it, but at some point took it off, now it's on Guts only. The armor that is on Guts can not be on Skully at the samw time. Skully cannot wear the Berserk's armor while Guts is wearing it.

Skully + Armor = Skully Armor - Skully = Armor + Guts = Guts Armor = Armor - Skully

If the Skull Knight takes off 1 Berserk Armor and travels a 1000 years where Guts puts on 1 Berserk armor, how many Berserk Armors are there on the Skull Knight?

Glad we cleared that up.

-Griffith

P.S. Xech, Skully uses the Beherits for his Beherit sword, remember? The one that cuts through dimensions.
Title: Re:Episode 237
Post by: xechnao on March 27, 2004, 03:29:57 AM
Okay, I've read this several times about Skully wearing the Berserk's Armor, and I don't really understand where these people's heads are... Guts is wearing it, it's on Guts right now, Skully did wear it, but at some point took it off, now it's on Guts only. The armor that is on Guts can not be on Skully at the samw time. Skully cannot wear the Berserk's armor while Guts is wearing it.

Heh, obviously the idea is that maybe there are more berserk armours than just one. It ain't clear to me if it is just one of them or kinda more instead and Skully was a bit dramatic while explaining that he once wore it.


P.S. Xech, Skully uses the Beherits for his Beherit sword, remember? The one that cuts through dimensions.

Yes, I remember that. I also remember (ain't sure though) that he kinda broke and squeezed the ooze of Roshinu's one into his mouth (or did he swallow it just like that?).
Don't you find the first case a bit strange(that is if indeed this is what happened)?
Title: Re:Episode 237
Post by: Olivier Hague on March 27, 2004, 03:44:25 AM
obviously the idea is that maybe there are more berserk armours than just one.
It's the same one.
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It ain't clear to me
Well, let's hope it is, now.
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I also remember (ain't sure though) that he kinda broke and squeezed the ooze of Roshinu's one into his mouth (or did he swallow it just like that?).
He simply swallowed it.
Title: Re:Episode 237
Post by: xechnao on March 27, 2004, 04:02:31 AM
It's the same one.

But how can you be sure? I mean do you drive your conviction from the current chapter (what skully said)?
If that's the case couldn't it easilly be that Skully was talking dramatic here as his usual talking is?
"I am wearing one of it right now" would be a bit inappropriate to say for Skully IMHO.
And it would kinda scare the shit out of Guts and Schierke about Guts himself wearing that armour right now.
Title: Re:Episode 237
Post by: Majin Tenshi on March 27, 2004, 04:07:06 AM
Skully + Armor = ... = Armor - Skully
 and therefore:
Skully == 0
Title: Re:Episode 237
Post by: Griffith on March 27, 2004, 04:14:21 AM
But how can you be sure? I mean do you drive your conviction from the current chapter (what skully said)?
If that's the case couldn't it easilly be that Skully was talking dramatic here as his usual talking is?
"I am wearing one of it right now" would be a bit inappropriate to say for Skully IMHO.
And it would kinda scare the shit out of Guts and Schierke about Guts himself wearing that armour right now.

Schierke asked him if he used to wear the armor Guts is wearing, and Skull Knight said yes. Why else would Flora look at it dearly? The entire context of the situation says it's the same, and Skull Knight SAID it was. That's a bit more convincing than your "talking dramatic" theory.

-Griffith
Title: Re:Episode 237
Post by: Shurikn on March 27, 2004, 04:17:00 AM
But how can you be sure? I mean do you drive your conviction from the current chapter (what skully said)?
If that's the case couldn't it easilly be that Skully was talking dramatic here as his usual talking is?
"I am wearing one of it right now" would be a bit inappropriate to say for Skully IMHO.
And it would kinda scare the shit out of Guts and Schierke about Guts himself wearing that armour right now.

According to the trans we have under our hands (thanks Saiki) Skully clearly said it was this one he wore once


Skully + Armor = Skully Armor - Skully = Armor + Guts = Guts Armor = Armor - Skully

If the Skull Knight takes off 1 Berserk Armor and travels a 1000 years where Guts puts on 1 Berserk armor, how many Berserk Armors are there on the Skull Knight?

-Griffith
Can you help me with my math probleme Griffith ? You look so good in math  :P
Title: Re:Episode 237
Post by: xechnao on March 27, 2004, 04:26:04 AM
According to the trans we have under our hands (thanks Saiki) Skully clearly said it was this one he wore onceCan you help me with my math probleme Griffith ? You look so good in math  :P

Well, this is what I am talking about. Skully is not so clear when he is speaking.
Anyway I am not trying to say that I am right and you are wrong,
but I still like to defend the case because according to what has been said so far it could so nicely give an explanation of Skully's status right now.
Skully said that there is a flame that never burns out and the light that seems to be glowing inside his eyes made me think of that thing first place.
Anyway if Skully is not in some kinda berserker armour how do you explain him been around in the world of the living?
If you also remember Schierke said that another person kinda died(bleeded to death) in an armour like that.
Title: Re:Episode 237
Post by: Nosferatubeast on March 27, 2004, 05:11:57 AM
1. Well, this is what I am talking about. Skully is not so clear when he is speaking.

2. Skully said that there is a flame that never burns out and the light that seems to be glowing inside his eyes made me think of that thing first place.

3. Anyway if Skully is not in some kinda berserker armour how do you explain him been around in the world of the living?

4. If you also remember Schierke said that another person kinda died(bleeded to death) in an armour like that.

1. Actually Skully was pretty clear on what he said.  I just think that you have a problem comprehending his words.

2. The flame Skully is referring to is the Od in Guts armour (the Berserk's armour) which never extinguishes.  That flame kind of feeds the Beast inside Guts, and the Beast will try to manifest whenever Guts wears the armour.

3. If Skully is not in the Berserk's armour (which he isn't), then one could assume that he is in another armour.  As for his prolonged existence, that hasn't been clarified yet.  But, it's probably similar to the same reasons that Flora existed so long.

4. No, Schierke simply said that the former owner of the Berserk's armour died.  At the time she said this, she didn't know who the Skullknight was.  Skullknight was the one she was referring to.  If you need more understanding, just re-read all the current translations. ;)  
Title: Re:Episode 237
Post by: xechnao on March 27, 2004, 05:39:50 AM
1. Actually Skully was pretty clear on what he said.  I just think that you have a problem comprehending his words.

2. The flame Skully is referring to is the Od in Guts armour (the Berserk's armour) which never extinguishes.  That flame kind of feeds the Beast inside Guts, and the Beast will try to manifest whenever Guts wears the armour.

3. If Skully is not in the Berserk's armour (which he isn't), then one could assume that he is in another armour.  As for his prolonged existence, that hasn't been clarified yet.  But, it's probably similar to the same reasons that Flora existed so long.

4. No, Schierke simply said that the former owner of the Berserk's armour died.  At the time she said this, she didn't know who the Skullknight was.  Skullknight was the one she was referring to.  If you need more understanding, just re-read all the current translations. ;)  


Hey, I am wondering what flame you are dude ;)
Anyway you are making more assumptions trying to prove me wrong than the assumptions I did.

As you said, Schierke said that the former owner died and we agree that she was speaking about Skully.
But in BERSERK world being dead is not necessary the end.
I was also referring to the od, and as you said it also has been said it never extinguishes.
So, at this point, it comes a bit natural to think that the Berserk armour could be retaining the spirit of it's owner, if you also know(as we do) that the armour destroys the (physical) humanity of its owner ( you know, losing taste, seeing colours and all like that).
I could better take this as a hint than speculate that Skully is a wizard like Flora.
But I am not saying that I am right. Just saying that your case ain't worth your attitude.
Title: Re:Episode 237
Post by: Nosferatubeast on March 27, 2004, 05:54:32 AM
I don't have an attitude with you.  I was just trying to answer some of your questions, but since I now see that it won't lead anywhere.  I should just leave it at that. :P
Title: Re:Episode 237
Post by: Griffith on March 27, 2004, 06:02:54 AM
Just saying that your case ain't worth your attitude.

Actually, it is, because these are F. A. C. T. facts: Skully wore the armor, the same armor Guts is wearing. Schierke asked him if he did, he said it was so. She even looked at the armor when she asked, it was a ver specific question with a specific answer. She even pointed out that it held sentimental value to Flora when asking Skully and he complimented her on her intelligence. What do you think he'd say now?

How do you say, "UUUGGHHHCHRIST!" in dramatic talk?

These aren't ideas or possibilities contrary to yours, they're facts contrary to your possible, not plausable, ideas. Skully may still be as he is today because he wore the armor, but he isn't wearing it now, Guts is (I won't even get into the "other" Berserk Armor issue, lets just focus on the known set). It's fine to be open-minded, but not to the point where your brain falls out of your head and starts wandering aimlessly.

Maybe before speculating and questioning people when they rightly correct you, you should get your facts straight. Nosferatu gave you good advice, you should take it and reread these things carefully before just posting what ever thought pops in your head. Rather than getting defensive and then smugly hiding behind the premise that anthing's possible.

I don't have an attitude with you.  I was just trying to answer some of your questions, but since I now see that it won't lead anywhere.  I should just leave it at that. :P

How I envy you. Don't pity me though, I'm dead already... EN MAE BERZERK'Z ARMAR!!!1110 LOL OMG!!! ;)

-Griffith
Title: Re:Episode 237
Post by: xechnao on March 27, 2004, 06:57:45 AM

Schierke asked him if he did, he said it was so.
Excuse me, but I never said this didn't happen. I said that Skully being a bit mysterious (and you can't deny his style (even Guts has specifically addressed that) could have just settled it like that.

She even pointed out that it held sentimental value to Flora when asking Skully and he complimented her on her intelligence.
Skully mentions Schierke being smart after she concluded that Skully at some point put on the berserk armour.
And about the fact of Flora watching it dearly, although a very strong point, this doesn't necessarilly mean that Flora couldn't have been watching "dearly" that armour because it kinda reminded the one Skully *is wearing*(ipotesizing he is).
Imagine this: Schierke after circa 1000 years from now having a berserker armour in her custody(while Guts is who knows where).
Schierke could be watching that relique in a special way, in the eyes of her student.



Anyway, you are most propablly right and I am wrong. Just hate it when you come with an attitude and this propablly has made the debate so long.
Anyway as Nosferatu said before, I will just leave it to that.  :P
Title: Re:Episode 237
Post by: roberto999 on March 27, 2004, 08:15:06 AM
The fact that, when humans, Flora and Skully are such friends, is another point against the equation Skully = Gaisserick. Gaisserick is decribed like a cruel tyrant that had a old sage tortured. Is it possibe that Flora loved such a man? Also if the two (Gaisserick and Flora) were fast friends she would have no doubt be one of the top people in the empire and do you believe that the legends would not have mentioned her? "The skull-king and the witch" that is food for legend-mongers

Also is now clear that skully is what he is because of the armor , not because he was a god-hand.
Title: Re:Episode 237
Post by: Griffith on March 27, 2004, 09:08:32 AM
The fact that, when humans, Flora and Skully are such friends, is another point against the equation Skully = Gaisserick. Gaisserick is decribed like a cruel tyrant that had a old sage tortured. Is it possibe that Flora loved such a man? Also if the two (Gaisserick and Flora) were fast friends she would have no doubt be one of the top people in the empire and do you believe that the legends would not have mentioned her? "The skull-king and the witch" that is food for legend-mongers

That's all well and good, but...

(http://www.skullknight.net/griffith/neverforget.jpg)
BAM!

You're assuming Flora knew Skully, when and if he was Gaiseric, while he was still Emperor. That's not necessarily the case, and even if it was, thereís still more we donít know than do. People change, and characters in Berserk arenít too one dimensional anyway. Guts isnít exactly Mr. Sunshine, and I doubt Skully way any more chipper than he is now when he was human either. I really donít think Skully and Flora being friends when he was still human proves anything one way or the other.

Also is now clear that skully is what he is because of the armor , not because he was a god-hand.

Yeah, a most definite contributing factor, but he's still pretty mysterious all things considered. ;)

-Griffith
Title: Re:Episode 237
Post by: xechnao on March 27, 2004, 02:30:26 PM
I would go furthermore to put in doupt that Skullknight was Gaiserick.
I believe we have three connection cases.
          1st is that Skully was Gaiserick indeed(because of the helmet).
[Edit:] 2nd that Gaiserck could be the corrispondent of Griffith of 1000 years ago
[Edit:] 3rd that Gaiserick could be Ganishka (emperor of death/emperor of terror)

So if  2 or 3 are the ones valid Skullknight can't be Gaiserick, can he?

The fact we ain't sure so far I believe is to know if Skully is a branded one like Guts or the one who sacrificed the people.
Anyway, I believe hints indicate more so far that he has been a branded like Guts by the way he has spoken about it to Guts and by what Zodd told him when Guts first appeared in the Berserk armour in front of them (hey, Griffith I also take this one as another hint that Skullknight is in some berserk armour  :)).
Spirits don't haunt him but maybe there is nothing to haunt in that armour he is(no warmth left as he said to Guts).
So if Skully was a branded one and like Guts we necessarilly need another legend. The legend of the one who sacrificed, like Griffith.

So far we only have the legend of Gaiserick and that of a wise man and we also know that Skully was propablly alive 1000 years ago and perhaps one like Guts.
There is still much confusion to be able to clearly tell who is who.
Feel free to add or debate  :)
Title: Re:Episode 237
Post by: Suavo-kun on March 27, 2004, 03:37:38 PM
I would go furthermore to put in doupt that Skullknight was Gaiserick.
I believe we have three connection cases.
1st and is that Skully was Gaiserick indeed(because of the helmet).
2nd that Skully could be the corrispondent of Griffith of 1000 years ago
3rd that Skully could be Ganishka (emperor of death/emperor of terror)

Yes
No
ABSOLUTELY NO.


This is why I usually skip your posts =D
Title: Re:Episode 237
Post by: xechnao on March 27, 2004, 03:43:24 PM
Yes
No
ABSOLUTELY NO.


This is why I usually skip your posts =D

STOP right there!
You are right.  ;D

I made a silly mistake and confused the names. ::)
What I wanted to say is:
1 Skullknight been Gaiserick
2 Griffith been Gaiserick (not skullknight)
3 Ganishka been Gaiserick (not skullknight)

2,3 I confused Skullknight with Gaiserick
Now I am gona edit above post
Title: Re:Episode 237
Post by: Olivier Hague on March 27, 2004, 04:46:57 PM
1st is that Skully was Gaiserick indeed(because of the helmet).
Or because Slan called him "king"?
Quote
3rd that Gaiserick could be Ganishka (emperor of death/emperor of terror)
-__-;
Title: Re:Episode 237
Post by: xechnao on March 27, 2004, 05:17:06 PM
Or because Slan called him "king"?
Yes, that's a very good point in favour of 1st case (skullknight been emperor gaiserick) although I won't take it as the final proof of Skullknight been Gaiserick ( it could be a bitche's way of addressing men or Skullknight could have been deserving the royal title for some different reason)*.

-__-;

See just above in Griffith's post. There is a pic where Charlotte explains that Gaiserick was named as "the king who brought death".
Sounds a bit familiar to what Shilat said about Ganishka (the emperor of terror) if you also consider that at some place was named the demon king (don't remember who said that (maybe Rakhashas?)).



Anyway, I aint' saying that Skullknight is not Gaiserick. I am saying that Miura hasn't revealed everything yet and has managed that clues and hints are placed in the manga like that, that we can't feel too surprised if in the end something alternative from the main convinction is presented.
Things and callings like the egg of the emperor king, skullknight using Beherits in a strange way, the fact that Gaiserick was somebody like Griffith (emperor king) by the description Charlotte gave and Guts' remark(see above in Griffith's picture) all cast a confusing web around the answer that we still don't have.


*P.S: Here is another strange thing: I ain't saying that Skullknight is the king of Elfhelm but the emblem of the roses on his shield could have something to do with him.

Title: Re:Episode 237
Post by: Griffith on March 27, 2004, 06:30:39 PM
You have an amazing ability to see what you want to see in things despite a total lack of evidence, and in ignorance to both the entire context and subtext of the story to which you resist for some reason. You're skeptisicim wouldn't be bad, but
you're alternatives to Skully being Gaiseric are terrible and rely on no firm basis, but the random connections you've made with things that aren't even directly related within the story. Miura would be a bad author to so suggest, almost to the point of hitting us over the head with it like a dead fish, that Skull Knight was Gaiseric only to make it Puck or whatever else is "possible." We already know there's no satisfying you, and making it harder is you have half of your facts wrong or confused, then you question the people that correct you or twist whatever the fact is so it fits your theory or at least doesn't hurt it (like the Slan "King" remark). If Skully came right out and said, "I was the Emperor Gaiseric." you'd probably find a way to say that doesn't really prove anything, such as the "talking dramatic" thing with the armor.

See why people have such an attitude with you?

-Griffith
Title: Re:Episode 237
Post by: theblakeman on March 27, 2004, 08:05:54 PM
 ;D ;Di agree with xechnao  ganishka is gaiserick  ;D  :-X  :'(  :-*

Seriously though, why would the emperor of a Rome-esque empire evolve into a giant Arabia-esque emperor?
Title: Re:Episode 237
Post by: DemonX on March 27, 2004, 08:32:41 PM
bah. Everyone knows this man is gaiserick.

(http://www.skullknight.net/yabbimages/avatars/adon.jpg)
Title: Re:Episode 237
Post by: xechnao on March 27, 2004, 08:34:25 PM
;D ;Di agree with xechnao  ganishka is gaiserick  ;D  :-X  :'(  :-*

Seriously though, why would the emperor of a Rome-esque empire evolve into a giant Arabia-esque emperor?

I believe you misunderstood me. When I am saying Gaiserick been Ganishka or Griffith I am not saying that physically are the same person (which is true in the Skullknight-Gaiserick connection) but that represent corrisponding roles as far as Karma is concerned in the period of the cycle of one thousand years.



You have an amazing ability to see what you want to see in things despite a total lack of evidence, and in ignorance to both the entire context and subtext of the story to which you resist for some reason. You're skeptisicim wouldn't be bad, but
you're alternatives to Skully being Gaiseric are terrible and rely on no firm basis, but the random connections you've made with things that aren't even directly related within the story. Miura would be a bad author to so suggest, almost to the point of hitting us over the head with it like a dead fish, that Skull Knight was Gaiseric only to make it Puck or whatever else is "possible." We already know there's no satisfying you, and making it harder is you have half of your facts wrong or confused, then you question the people that correct you or twist whatever the fact is so it fits your theory or at least doesn't hurt it (like the Slan "King" remark). If Skully came right out and said, "I was the Emperor Gaiseric." you'd probably find a way to say that doesn't really prove anything, such as the "talking dramatic" thing with the armor.

See why people have such an attitude with you?

-Griffith

  I believe I am not the only one who feels that maybe Skullknight is not for sure Gaiserick, and you know that.

 Skullknight has never said it so far: " I am Emperor Gaiserick" even as much dramatic you want to be about it, talking against my case and trying to excuse your attitude.

 In your pic above Guts himself says that Gaiserick's persona sounds like Griffith, which is the conqueror king. On the other hand Zodd asked Skully if Guts will take his path, the one of hell. Now, while Gaiserick sounds more like Griffith (or Ganishka), Guts story sounds more like Skully's.
 I believe this is something that makes impression and this is the main basis the of the doupt of Skully being Gaiserick.
 
Anyway, Ganishka right now has almost insignificant importance about the current story. But I believe sometime in the future it will be more clear what happened 1000 years ago in a way that it will make sense about the whole story. This is what I am trying to say first place. That we still have not enough grounds to describe this, which is the clear picture of the mysteries so far: Gaiserick, the wise man, the sacrificed in the tower of rebirth, Godhand and Skullknight.
Elfhelm I believe will be another station of the net of mystery to the story so far (if they indeed go there). That is if other stranger things don't happen or get revealed till our friends manage to reach it (again, that is if this happens).
Title: Re:Episode 237
Post by: Griffith on March 27, 2004, 09:02:18 PM
I believe I am not the only one who feels that maybe Skullknight is not for sure Gaiserick, and you know that.

Wow, other people are wrong too? That means a lot to me.

Okay, yeah right, thereís still a slim possibility theyíre not the same, and that thereís some incredibly complicated details to Gaisericís story that will reveal this. Fine, my bad, but of course, Skully being Gaiseric is the most likely and heavily suggested scenario. There really isnít any other alternative presented within the plot without going into pure speculation. You have to literally make shit up to explain why Skully isnít just Gaiseric. So, why bother? Why doubt the obvious, what Miura wants us to think, for the obtuse and completely hypothetical? Itís ridiculous, thereís no need for it, and itís very frustrating when people come on here and say ďThis is more proof that Skully wasnít GaisericĒ and then they present, and usually misrepresent, some new piece of circumstantial information, that doesnít even have anything to do with Skully being Gaiseric or not all. Of course, they first have to ignore or rationalize everything else in the story suggesting they are the same; you've done this quite a bit the past few posts BTW. But why? What's the point? Why go through the trouble of being such a hard on all the time when you're not going to prove anything and only confuse people?

-Griffith

P.S. Forest for the fucking trees.
Title: Re:Episode 237
Post by: cmz on March 27, 2004, 11:23:30 PM
I believe I am not the only one who feels that maybe Skullknight is not for sure Gaiserick, and you know that.

In your pic above Guts himself says that Gaiserick's persona sounds like Griffith, which is the conqueror king.


I don't understand your rationale for anything you've said thus far.  I don't think we need to discuss the numerous parallels between Guts and Skullknight, over and over.  I don't think that Gaeserick was similar in quality to Griffith... at all (even though so little has been said about the old emperor).  I will just say this (and it has probably been stated in the past), but, Gaiserick was obviously a ruthless fighter/leader on the battlefield(s) that no doubt kicked everyone's ass.  I have no doubt he always won considering what he once had/built.  Does this remind you of anyone in particular... ?
Title: Re:Episode 237
Post by: theblakeman on March 28, 2004, 12:01:06 AM
Since Gaiseric was The Emperor of Death, I think that when he put on the armor, it shaped like a skull and skeleton-like feature, and that it eventually destroyed him and stole his humanity and then he summoned Godhand you know, Godhand granted him a second chance in turn for his Empire. Then later, after he sacrificed his Empire, he went off traveling somewhere, and he met Flora who he left the armor with and went to go get revenge on Godhand for decieving him or whatever Void did to make him so damn angry. So basically, Flora must have affected his being since Guts does not respond to him being an apostle. Maybe it has something to do with the new armor he wears, or maybe a spell or something made his existence less evil, or maybe he is alike Ganishka, who is a rebel apostle and doesn't follow the destiny Godhand lays out.
Title: Re:Episode 237
Post by: roberto999 on March 28, 2004, 12:02:57 AM
Or because Slan called him "king"?-__-;
Emperors and Kings are not the same thing
Title: Re:Episode 237
Post by: dwarfkicker on March 28, 2004, 12:21:07 AM
Emperors and kings are the same thing.  Aren't they? ???
Title: Re:Episode 237
Post by: Nosferatubeast on March 28, 2004, 12:41:24 AM
Emperors and kings are the same thing.  Aren't they? ???

Emperor>King

kings rule a kingdom
a bunch of kingdoms= an empire
an empire is ruled by an emperor
See the difference! :-\
Title: Re:Episode 237
Post by: xechnao on March 28, 2004, 12:49:57 AM
Okay, yeah right, thereís still a slim possibility theyíre not the same, and that thereís some incredibly complicated details to Gaisericís story that will reveal this. Fine, my bad, but of course, Skully being Gaiseric is the most likely and heavily suggested scenario. There really isnít any other alternative presented within the plot without going into pure speculation. You have to literally make shit up to explain why Skully isnít just Gaiseric. So, why bother? Why doubt the obvious, what Miura wants us to think, for the obtuse and completely hypothetical? Itís ridiculous, thereís no need for it, and itís very frustrating when people come on here and say ďThis is more proof that Skully wasnít GaisericĒ and then they present, and usually misrepresent, some new piece of circumstantial information, that doesnít even have anything to do with Skully being Gaiseric or not all. Of course, they first have to ignore or rationalize everything else in the story suggesting they are the same; you've done this quite a bit the past few posts BTW. But why? What's the point? Why go through the trouble of being such a hard on all the time when you're not going to prove anything and only confuse people?

-Griffith


I allready tried to tell you and don't know how many times I' ll have to tell it again:
Skullknight doesn't exactly fit the description of Gaiserick we got. Even if it was him, a lot must have happened that we need to find out yet to understand the story.
Anyway, it's true that the description of King Gaiserick of 1000 years ago, resembles a bit his character with that of present time Ganishka or Griffith perhaps(and not Guts that much I'ld say). If Karma repeats itself in a fashion, the most legendary figures propably known will be the ones that corrispond to Griffith or Ganishka 1000 years back(that it depends who will become more famous after all (my bet is on Griffith, but we still don't know who will win the fight))
In the same time Skullknight's path resembles that of Guts.
Although these things are vague, I believe the comlications they bring on are noticeable. Saying Ganishka is Skullknight at this point, could finally be true, but it is still not a solid anchor-point for the exploration or speculation of the story, unlike the fact we might be tempted to think it is.
This is why I talked about it first place and it ended in a flame war.
Does it worth it? I would say, no. So why? It's the attitude problem I'ld say that rides these boards.
Anyway, for me -naugh said about the Gaiberib and Skullkick.
The End.
Title: Re:Episode 237
Post by: Griffith on March 28, 2004, 01:10:04 AM
As Flora said, causality is a spiral, not a clusterfuck.

This does go back to that lame thread about who matches who from 1000 years ago, I remember I had to remind everyone that it doesn't matter and the whole process gets really stupid when you try to make it math.  Since it's a spiral and not a circle, cross paralells aren't out of the question. So Gaiseric/Skully can easily paralell both Guts and Griffith without it meaning some big problem, that requires us to for God knows why think that Skully wasn't Gaiseric despite the evidence to the contrary.

Attitude? No, I simply have evidence supporting my statements. That's why I act like I'm so damn right, I'm quoting facts that support my point. I'll tell you one thing, if Skull Knight did come out and say he was never Gaiseric and explained what really happened 1000 years ago, you wouldn't see me on here lamely arguing the contrary.

-Griffith

P.S. Yes, Roberto, a King is not an Emperor, but as Xechnao said, Slan was probably being a bitch. And her calling him King, a much broader and general term for a sovereign, could likely be just her way of spiting him.
Title: Re:Episode 237
Post by: DemonX on March 28, 2004, 01:12:38 AM
I allready tried to tell you and don't know how many times I' ll have to tell it again:
Skullknight doesn't exactly fit the description of Gaiserick we got. Even if it was him, a lot must have happened that we need to find out yet to understand the story.
Anyway, it's true that the description of King Gaiserick of 1000 years ago, resembles a bit his character with that of present time Ganishka or Griffith perhaps(and not Guts that much I'ld say). If Karma repeats itself in a fashion, the most legendary figures propably known will be the ones that corrispond to Griffith or Ganishka 1000 years back(that it depends who will become more famous after all (my bet is on Griffith, but we still don't know who will win the fight))
In the same time Skullknight's path resembles that of Guts.
Although these things are vague, I believe the comlications they bring on are noticeable. Saying Ganishka is Skullknight at this point, could finally be true, but it is still not a solid anchor-point for the exploration or speculation of the story, unlike the fact we might be tempted to think it is.
This is why I talked about it first place and it ended in a flame war.
Does it worth it? I would say, no. So why? It's the attitude problem I'ld say that rides these boards.
Anyway, for me -naugh said about the Gaiberib and Skullkick.
The End.


Jesus christ xechnao, take your guesses to speculation nation. I hardly thing anything u said here has somthing to do with chapter 237.
Title: Re:Episode 237
Post by: Sparnage on March 28, 2004, 01:20:29 AM
Well, with any luck within the next few months prehaps skullknights origins will come out and this will no longer be a matter of opinion.
Title: Re:Episode 237
Post by: Smith on March 28, 2004, 02:41:11 AM
I am quite sure SK is 95% Gaiseric...
Title: Re:Episode 237
Post by: medievald00d on March 28, 2004, 02:43:49 AM
I am quite sure SK is 95% Gaiseric...
2% guts, 1% fairy, and 2% troll
Title: Re:Episode 237
Post by: Olivier Hague on March 28, 2004, 02:51:53 AM
Emperors and Kings are not the same thing
'Doesn't change the fact that Gaiseric was also called a "king", according to volume 10...
And you don't call anybody "king" anyway...
Title: Re:Episode 237
Post by: iggy on March 28, 2004, 08:15:50 AM
And you don't call anybody "king" anyway...
It depends on who/where/what "king" you are...
And now you're mentionning it, I've never been called "Emperor of assholes", "Emperor of the retards", etc.
Not yet.
Title: Re:Episode 237
Post by: Griffith on March 28, 2004, 08:22:19 AM
It depends on who/where/what "king" you are...
And now you're mentionning it, I've never been called "Emperor of assholes", "Emperor of the retards", etc.
Not yet.

Thus, my point before.

-Griffith
Title: Re:Episode 237
Post by: xechnao on March 28, 2004, 03:02:43 PM
 It could also be a medieval type bitch "flirting" phrase. Ya know, a bitch calling to her buddy: "be now the king of my castle" or something like that.
 Lol, could she have called him "my knight"? Propablly yes, but according medieval etiquette it could also be a bit strange for Slann to say as Skully has no ruler to serve. A spicy comment in the situation as "my king" would be more appropriate IMHO (a prostitute doesn't call the man "my knight", she better calls him "my king" ;)).
Now, back off! I am not saying that this is what happened, I am just being devil's advocate against the point...well, you know what point.

 Anyway, Griffith, you said that the 1000 years parallel doesn't make much sense to you yet. I' ld like to ask a question about it. We've said so far that every 1000 years somebody like Griffith comes to earth (the one of the conqueror king egg). I myself ain't sure either that this has been happening over the past millenia and actually the millenium of the hawk could be the first one. But in the case it isn't (and most people believe it's not) there must be such a man 1000 years ago like Griffith. This is where I based my thought that the most known legendary figure, let's say as a king, of 1000 years ago should be somebody that has something to do(parallel speaking) with the current situation. What do you have to say about that?
Title: Re:Episode 237
Post by: *Gyom* on March 28, 2004, 03:32:51 PM
Aww chill out!^^

I'd like to say that
1-The story Charlotte told is a story back from 1000 years ago and it cannot be taken as a FACT. What I mean is : Guts could be called the worst killer ever, Dark Hawk etc and that doesn't change him, that he's able to have friends and fight against the GH... Consider a minute the Gaiseric story had been told and retold for 1000 years, it has surely been transformed with time.
2-Xechnao you're talking out of reason. "Gaiberib"=Ganishka is more than wrong and the point of several berserk amors seem nul to me, not to talk about SK being the king of elves... why not telling us Guts is an elf, now ? ::)

Nothing to add for now, I think...
Guil
Title: Re:Episode 237
Post by: DemonX on March 28, 2004, 04:24:26 PM
Xechnao is probably gonna spam a lot more shit now because hes almost at that 1000 post point.
What is there to talk about? Skully is Gaiseric. Period.
Title: Re:Episode 237
Post by: xechnao on March 28, 2004, 04:35:30 PM
Aww chill out!^^

I'd like to say that
1-The story Charlotte told is a story back from 1000 years ago and it cannot be taken as a FACT. What I mean is : Guts could be called the worst killer ever, Dark Hawk etc and that doesn't change him, that he's able to have friends and fight against the GH... Consider a minute the Gaiseric story had been told and retold for 1000 years, it has surely been transformed with time.
Agreed. What are the facts then Guil? Propablly nothing trully solid and this is what I am saying.

2-Xechnao you're talking out of reason. "Gaiberib"=Ganishka is more than wrong and the point of several berserk amors seem nul to me, not to talk about SK being the king of elves... why not telling us Guts is an elf, now ? ::)

Guill, Guill, are you sure you read my entire posts? It really pisses me when for the "eleventh" time you come to accusse me of this and that when you haven't still get my spirit.

Anyway, let it go one more time.
So, why couldn't be that dwarves make a couple of berserk armours?
Check this also out (maybe because you want to flame ME, you'll now stop with this quote of Walter):
Puck was percieving the dwarf curse-magic (of Skully's armour)
Can't we just label that as common knowledge at this point?  I think Miura has established it pretty well.


And I Never said that Skullknight is the king of elves. Just said that there might be some kind of a relation as the emblem of Skully's shield is the rose and at the same time he seems to know things about him. It was just a random notice. Nothing more.
Title: Re:Episode 237
Post by: dwarfkicker on March 28, 2004, 06:30:38 PM
Maybe SK knows these things because he's been around for like 1000 years.  If you were around that long you'd know some shit too.
Title: Re:Episode 237
Post by: Shurikn on March 28, 2004, 06:31:07 PM
Agreed. What are the facts then Guil? Propablly nothing trully solid and this is what I am saying.

I don't want to be implicated in that debat but.. since when are you talking about facts ? You were always used to said things without justifiying your thought with facts... i'm a bit confused
Title: Re:Episode 237
Post by: Griffith on March 28, 2004, 06:40:43 PM
Agreed. What are the facts then Guil? Propablly nothing trully solid and this is what I am saying.

So we should consider every stupid, half-assed, off the wall possibility over the simplest solution? No offense, I mean this totally literally, but thatís a retarded way of examining a story. To the degree you doing it here, itís a hindrance; how does it help you understand the story better? How can you properly speculate when you don't even have a firm base to go from? Facts take a back seat to your spirit of the possible and your stream of conscious speculation. So, half the time (and Iím being generous), you donít even know what youíre talking about and you sound like a dumbass. This is probably why you think Skully cracked Roshinuís Beherit open and squeezed the goo into his mouth (unless they really sex up those Italian editions). Or how about the Skully the friendly ghost theory in 236 because you didnít know about Flora and Skullyís talk about his humanity? Your point of possibilities then becomes self-defeating. Itís like you can't hear the train rolling by until it's five feet in front of you. Iím not just flaming, I believe these are valid observations, and the reason so many people give you that "attitude" you despise so. Itís fine to be aware of possibilities, but when you invest too much thought in them, youíre going to lose focus of what the author has actually told you.

It really pisses me when for the "eleventh" time you come to accusse me of this and that when you haven't still get my spirit.

Oh, I get your spirit.

(http://countryjoe.bizland.com/Xstretch.jpg)

Get it? It's Stretch, like "stretching the facts."
Boo!
 8)

-Griffith
Title: Re:Episode 237
Post by: xechnao on March 28, 2004, 06:59:36 PM
I don't want to be implicated in that debat but.. since when are you talking about facts ? You were always used to said things without justifiying your thought with facts... i'm a bit confused

I am saying we have not enough facts to establish some things as common knowledge. There is a web of hints but, the web's net we have, still has enough complications to cast the clearence of any ipothesis or speculation.

What is known about Skullknight is that he has put on a berserk armour and that he and Flora have knonwn each other from when they were normal human mortals. We also know that many years ago there was built the tower of rebirth which keeps inside lots of branded corpses that most propablly belong to an event of a millenia ago. That's it and nothing more in my opinion what we have as an established fact.

Skullknight has said things that every 1000 years or so this happens but we don't know what this could mean exactly ( Griffith, in fact, dismisses such speculation till now. I am saying that we still don't know what sense this makes but certainly is a hint that complicates the story so far). Anyway, I believe Miura, deliberatelly does such a thing. There is still lots of mystery around and IMHO sounds dumb to yet defend to death that Skully's armour is not a berserker or it is for example. Similar about Gaiserick. Eventually, even if we accept one case or the other it will bring no more light to the facts of the story known above.

What Sparnage said is correct. We still have to wait some chapters to get some things clear we are talking about.


So we should consider every stupid, half-assed, off the wall possibility over the simplest solution? No offense, I mean this totally literally, but thatís a retarded way of examining a story. To the degree you doing it here, itís a hindrance; how does it help you understand the story better? How can you properly speculate when you don't even have a firm base to go from? Facts take a back seat to your spirit of the possible and your stream of conscious speculation. So, half the time (and Iím being generous), you donít even know what youíre talking about and you sound like a dumbass. This is probably why you think Skully cracked Roshinuís Beherit open and squeezed the goo into his mouth (unless they really sex up those Italian editions). Or how about the Skully the friendly ghost theory in 236 because you didnít know about Flora and Skullyís talk about his humanity? Your point of possibilities then becomes self-defeating. Itís like you can't hear the train rolling by until it's five feet in front of you. Iím not just flaming, I believe these are valid observations, and the reason so many people give you that "attitude" you despise so. Itís fine to be aware of possibilities, but when you invest too much thought in them, youíre going to lose focus of what the author has actually told you.Oh, I get your spirit.

(http://countryjoe.bizland.com/Xstretch.jpg)

Get it? It's Stretch, like "stretching the facts."
Boo!
 8)

-Griffith

No, this is not my spirit and the example of the Beherit egg is a lame one. I admit(why shouldn't I) that sometimes I don't have somethings clear, I ask and if there is info I get it. Last time, with Walter it was something like this. Let's say, he corrected me and eventually, we seemed to settle our opinions about Skully.
Now I am saying what I tried to clear up to Shurikn above and I get flamed by attitude. I say flame because I honestly, don't see how you could disagree with what I said above. If I am wrong tell me. But I believe if we let flaming aside we could have get what the other person is saying and agreed much sooner.
Title: Re:Episode 237
Post by: dwarfkicker on March 28, 2004, 07:47:58 PM
Skull Knight doesn't have a berserk armor.  Guts has the armor that Skull Knight wore.  It was said that the armor has the ability to turn the one who wears it into a demon.  The form it takes is reflected on the beast within.  The armor had a skull helmet when Guts first put it on, then it changed to reflect his inner beast which is the wolf like creature.  Who's to say that the same thing didn't happen to SK.  His inner beast could be a skeletal creature and the armor took that shape.  And SK is obviously not human so I think it's pretty clear that the armor is what made him into what he is. As for his current form, we don't know if that's him or if he's wearing more armor.  Or maybe we do.  Just my thoughts.
Title: Re:Episode 237
Post by: Walter on March 28, 2004, 07:48:07 PM
Check this also out (maybe because you want to flame ME, you'll now stop with this quote of Walter):
What the hell did I do to deserve bring dragged into this shit? Leave me alone.
Title: Re:Episode 237
Post by: xechnao on March 28, 2004, 08:13:56 PM
 It was said that the armor has the ability to turn the one who wears it into a demon.  
It was also said that the wearer might be able to control it. Anyway does skullknight look more like a human or a demon?

The form it takes is reflected on the beast within.  The armor had a skull helmet when Guts first put it on, then it changed to reflect his inner beast which is the wolf like creature.  Who's to say that the same thing didn't happen to SK.  His inner beast could be a skeletal creature and the armor took that shape.  And SK is obviously not human so I think it's pretty clear that the armor is what made him into what he is. As for his current form, we don't know if that's him or if he's wearing more armor.  Or maybe we do.  Just my thoughts.
I agree with that. So why couldn't it be that Skully has a similar armour right now with the one of Guts'?
Forgetting for a sec the dialogue where it could seem that they are talking about the same armour (IMHO it is more an impression than a fact) lots of the characteristics skully has shown so far could be explained by such an armour.

-The eternal flame Skully said about the armour and the path of hell Zoddo mentions about Skullknight. The glow that appears in the holes of the armour at his eyes could have it's origins to the od of the armour. Since there is no body inside there I believe this makes good sense as an explanation of why Skullknight is able to roam about. Berserk armour's eternal flame could be an explanation of the Skully's status.
  Just, think of this: Guts dying inside his new Berserker armour. What will happen next? According to the above, the armour should sustain the flame inside. The resulting aspect of the armour, be it of an od of the beast or something more human, it will depend of how well Guts was able to control the od of the armour before dying. So, if Skullknight was able to control the armour fairly well the result could very well be what we are seeing right now.
 Now, please, I am not saying that I believe this is what happened. Just presenting (in my opinion) an applausible alternative. What I believe is a fact, is that we still don't know or can be sure about Skully's armour (it could be a berserk armour or something very near or it could be a totally different thing).
Title: Re:Episode 237
Post by: Griffith on March 28, 2004, 08:16:08 PM
Forgetting for a sec the dialogue where it could seem that they are talking about the same armour (IMHO it is more an impression than a fact) lots of the characteristics skully has shown so far could be explained by such an armour.

This is why you have zero credibility.

I don't even dislike the theory that follows (aside from Skully not wearing the armor Guts is for whatever reason), but why do you have to painfully ignore the facts to make it?

-Griffith
Title: Re:Episode 237
Post by: Walter on March 28, 2004, 08:28:19 PM

Forgetting for a sec the dialogue where it could seem that they are talking about the same armour
We should throw out factual evidence? You know what, that's not a bad idea.  While we're at it, we can just go ahead and throw out volume 10 completely! It really just complicates things.  

On your way back from the trash can make sure to pick up the supplemental copy of the NEW History of Besrerk by Xechnao! It's much more functional and cements the heavily-reinforced Gaiseric/Ganishka parallel.

Xech, I'm not dissing your ideas. They're fine, but they belong in a fanfiction section, not here. And just because we don't have one on the board doesn't mean you can just file your random ideas anywhere you like.  There is a rhyme, reason and a FUNCTION to productive speculation: the heart of which is relying on FACTUAL EVIDENCE as the basis for an argument, not just making stuff up.

The End.
Title: Re:Episode 237
Post by: xechnao on March 28, 2004, 08:32:57 PM
This is why you have zero credibility. I even like the theory that follows (aside from Skully still wearing the armor), but why do you have to painfully ignore the facts to make it?

-Griffith

 Griff and Walter, well, this is a point of conflict. IMHO it makes sense to say that it could be an impression than a fact, taken account the way Skully interacts.
Furthermore, I believe it could also be strange even if it wasn't Skully but a more normal person to say to Guts: "...Yes, I am inside such an armor right now..."
This could be really creepy for Guts at that moment I think (yikees!).
 Yes, this is just my opinion and I am well aware of what I am saying and of chapter 237. I believe I explained well why I could have such an opinion, in a way that I could mention it over here (and not in a fanfiction thread). And I am not saying take it. Just saying what I thought about 237.
 Anyway, finally you could also be right. Maybe Skully put on this armor, he died and somehow they managed to transfer his spirit-od in another armor that could sustain it forever (the one we are seeing right now). But technically it's the same thing, isn't it?
Title: Re:Episode 237
Post by: Majin Tenshi on March 28, 2004, 08:35:46 PM
Why do I even come into this thread anymore...?  :'(
Title: Re:Episode 237
Post by: Griffith on March 28, 2004, 08:42:18 PM
normal person to say to Guts: "...Yes, I am inside such an armor right now..."
This could be really creepy for Guts at that moment I think (yikees!).

Yeah, Skully is sensative that way, but he has no problem telling Guts he's losing his sense of taste, smell, sight and that he won't be human if he keeps wearing the armor. Pretty bluntly at that, first thing he says to him out of the blue. All aboard the logic train! Conductor Griff will get you where you need to go!

Anyway, finally you could also be right.

No, I'm not right, it explicitly says it in the story. You're just wrong.

Maybe Skully put on this armor, he died and somehow they managed to transfer his spirit-od in another armor that could sustain it forever (the one we are seeing right now). But technically it's the same thing, isn't it?

Or that's just what the armor did to Skully and he's not "wearing" anything. And I'm glad you pointed out that it's the same difference. So why the hell do you even bother to contend that Guts' armor isn't the same armor Skully wore, even after Skully says he did?

-Griffith
Title: Re:Episode 237
Post by: dwarfkicker on March 28, 2004, 08:45:48 PM
That last part there Grif was the same point I was trying to get across.  What did I do wrong to warrant a deletion of my last two or three posts?  Just point that out to me so I don't do it again.
Title: Re:Episode 237
Post by: xechnao on March 28, 2004, 09:08:04 PM
Yeah, Skully is sensative that way, but he has no problem telling Guts he's losing his sense of taste, smell, sight and that he won't be human if he keeps wearing the armor. Pretty bluntly at that. All aboard the logic train!
Well it could make a different effect and impact on Guts and Schierke on my opinion. It is still very creepy what Skully said, but telling him I am inside one of it right now I believe it could be more shocking but also not on par with the mystic atmospheric built up of the story, so as Miura has accustomed us with the Skullknight "element".
 Well, it is just my opinion. Why I've bothered about it so far? Well you have so fiercelly object it, even if I' ve also aknowledged that I believe I could also be wrong and you right. This is still my opinion and honestly, I don't see why it has drown so much negative attention even if I take care every time to say it is just nothing more than my opinion.
Now, please allow me to shut up as I don't want to speak more about it. I believe we have exhaust it and practically we are coming to the same conclusion.
Title: Re:Episode 237
Post by: waqas on March 28, 2004, 10:06:25 PM
Well, it is just my opinion. Why I've bothered about it so far? Well you have so fiercelly object it, even if I' ve also aknowledged that I believe I could also be wrong and you right. This is still my opinion and honestly, I don't see why it has drown so much negative attention even if I take care every time to say it is just nothing more than my opinion.

You drew negative attention because your opinion was contradictory to the accepted facts of the topic. What made it worse is that, when confronted with these facts from the text, you chose to ignore them and make up your own "facts" that you garnered from your imagination.

In other words, you were and are WRONG.


Title: Re:Episode 237
Post by: waqas on March 28, 2004, 10:07:40 PM
Why do I even come into this thread anymore...?  :'(

Because you like the pain. We all do.  ;D
Title: Re:Episode 237
Post by: xechnao on March 28, 2004, 10:54:35 PM
You drew negative attention because your opinion was contradictory to the accepted facts of the topic. What made it worse is that, when confronted with these facts from the text, you chose to ignore them and make up your own "facts" that you garnered from your imagination.

In other words, you were and are WRONG.

waqas, I just said that what Skully has said, there is a case that it could be a bit elusive if taken 100% directly (to get my point think what Obi Whan said to Luke about his father(that he was dead) in the first place  ;)) , and this for a reason. I didn't just make this up just for the fun of it: I put it that way because the berserker armour so well explains Skully's status now. And if you remember, Schierke said that another person died in a berserker armour (the one of the guy with the sword in hand bleeding). If the berserker armor eternally sustains the od as Skully has said it made inside my head DING!DING!: undead skully must be in a berserk armour or something like that. This is the reason I drove to the above conclusion, of Skully's words not having a 100% direct meaning. And I also believe what I made up could fit the situation and Skully's character in the story a bit well (we know Skully is a bit mysterious with people like Guts in the things he says to them . Maybe he doesn't want to give them the impression that he influences them in their decisions, dunno).

Anyway, your point about facts I made with my imagination has allready been stressed and I' ve tried to reply as best I can. That is again to respect the DING!DING! the story has made in my mind about Skully's status, berserk armour properties, what Schierke has said about the other man and what Zodd also said to Skully when they saw Guts in the berserk armour (I mean if Zodd exists for 300 years and saw Guts in that armour, how could he parallel him with Skully that died and put that armour 1000 years ago? Yes, I know there is a way to answer this a different way but this put together with the other facts (what Schierke said, Skully's explanation of the berserker armour's proprieties and Skullys status, I believe, create a more solid image to not put in doubt than Skully's directness in the sentence "Yes, I wore that armour once").

Title: Re:Episode 237
Post by: Walter on March 28, 2004, 11:02:28 PM
Take a deep breath. Now shut up.
Title: Re:Episode 237
Post by: xechnao on March 28, 2004, 11:23:19 PM
Take a deep breath. Now shut up.
Oh SNAP!
Title: Re:Episode 237
Post by: Shurikn on March 29, 2004, 12:41:38 AM
Is "in the berserker armor" mean the same thing as "in a berserker armor" ?
Title: Re:Episode 237
Post by: dwarfkicker on March 29, 2004, 02:27:11 AM
You're not making sense.  Why would SK be in a berserk armor.  He died in it.  Someone removed it, most likely Flora.  He came back demonish.  Remember now, the armor can make the owner a demon. that's what it did for him.  Guts has his (SK's) armor.  Skull Knight is now in the form that the armor created for him.  Just as if Guts were killed in the armor he would come back very similar to his inner beast.  You really need to move past the whole "there are more than one berserk armor" theory.  It's not a good one and you have nothing concrete to back it up with.  You are taking the simplest and the most obvious things about this manga and blowing them a little bit out of proportion here.  Reread the manga and try to understand it like the rest of us do.
Title: Re:Episode 237
Post by: xechnao on March 29, 2004, 02:36:04 AM
You're not making sense.  Why would SK be in a berserk armor.  He died in it.  Someone removed it, most likely Flora.  He came back demonish.
...
Title: Re:Episode 237
Post by: dwarfkicker on March 29, 2004, 02:50:38 AM
Alright I think we've all gotten away from the chapter discussion and where it might go from here.  I think we should move back in that direction.
Title: Re:Episode 237
Post by: DemonX on March 29, 2004, 04:50:02 AM
All your doing is fueling xechnaos fire. Your responses is his gasoline. Hes trying really hard to hit that 1000 marker.

If you ask me this thread should be locked by now.
Title: Re:Episode 237
Post by: nir085 on March 29, 2004, 05:07:35 AM
Well, uh, getting back to the actual commentary on 237...
It was interesting, even though it was just an extended conversation. And I'm definitely glad to see Skull Knight back in the picture again. He seems to be visiting Guts much more frequently as the story progresses. Perhaps he will join them after all. I wouldn't at all be surprised if SK, Flora, and Hanafubukusomething King were collectively a party, where SK replaced Guts, Flora replaced Schierke, and Hana replaced Puck (I guess the rest just died considering the *speculated* fact that they were probably human).
Title: Re:Episode 237
Post by: Nomad on March 29, 2004, 06:55:03 AM
Well, uh, getting back to the actual commentary on 237...
It was interesting, even though it was just an extended conversation. And I'm definitely glad to see Skull Knight back in the picture again. He seems to be visiting Guts much more frequently as the story progresses. Perhaps he will join them after all. I wouldn't at all be surprised if SK, Flora, and Hanafubukusomething King were collectively a party, where SK replaced Guts, Flora replaced Schierke, and Hana replaced Puck (I guess the rest just died considering the *speculated* fact that they were probably human).


  Maybe Im just being ignorant here but, SK defenetly knows something about Guts (maybe his "destiny" or whatever) but its pretty clear that eventually him and Guts weel team up eventually
Title: Re:Episode 237
Post by: waqas on March 29, 2004, 12:19:57 PM
All your doing is fueling xechnaos fire. Your responses is his gasoline. Hes trying really hard to hit that 1000 marker.

If you ask me this thread should be locked by now.

Why are you afraid of this? Is something amazing going to happen? Is Xechnao, after reaching 1000 posts, suddenly going to become some kind of "Super-Troll" and take over the entire board? Or will he simply continue to be the the pain-in-the-ass that he's always been?

Stay tuned to find out SK.net fans!

  Maybe Im just being ignorant here but, SK defenetly knows something about Guts (maybe his "destiny" or whatever) but its pretty clear that eventually him and Guts weel team up eventually

I've always felt that Skully will eventually join the rest of the new gang, but I doubt that he knows Guts' "destiny" as such. He probably has suspicions based on what he know about guts but I haven't read anything in the manga that suggests that Skully knows whats going to happen in the future. Though he does seem to have some powers of foresight, he only seems capable of reacting to the actions of the God-hand, though anyone is more than welcome to prove me wrong on this.  :-\ 
Title: Re:Episode 237
Post by: dwarfkicker on March 29, 2004, 02:17:20 PM
This is what I forsee happening:

I think once Griffith has dealt with Ganishka he will turn his attention towards Elfhelm.  And if sorcery can match the power of apostles then it will sure make for one hell of a battle.

I don't think Griffith even thought about that place yet.  And since you got the holy knights or whatever stationed at the port, and there will probably be Kushan soldiers there.  I think when Guts and his group get there he's gonna carve a path between the two groups so they can be on their way.  It'll be that little scuffle that will alert Griffith to their location and their plans.

Once Griffith turns his attention towards Elfhelm he'll send a large group of apostles to test the waters and then come at them with his full force.  I'm willing to bet that this will be Guts' and Griffith's next encounter.  Who knows, maybe they'll have a duel in which Guts gets owned in a major way.  And we'll probably see a cured Casca come face to face with Griffith.

Guts will probably get possesed by the beast again when he sees Griffith and it will be the sight of a cured Casca that will snap him out of it this time.

The ground work is being laid for some really cool upcomming stuff.
Title: Re:Episode 237
Post by: Smith on March 29, 2004, 03:03:20 PM
This is what I forsee happening:

I think once Griffith has dealt with Ganishka he will turn his attention towards Elfhelm.  And if sorcery can match the power of apostles then it will sure make for one hell of a battle.

I don't think Griffith even thought about that place yet.  And since you got the holy knights or whatever stationed at the port, and there will probably be Kushan soldiers there.  I think when Guts and his group get there he's gonna carve a path between the two groups so they can be on their way.  It'll be that little scuffle that will alert Griffith to their location and their plans.

Once Griffith turns his attention towards Elfhelm he'll send a large group of apostles to test the waters and then come at them with his full force.  I'm willing to bet that this will be Guts' and Griffith's next encounter.  Who knows, maybe they'll have a duel in which Guts gets owned in a major way.  And we'll probably see a cured Casca come face to face with Griffith.

Guts will probably get possesed by the beast again when he sees Griffith and it will be the sight of a cured Casca that will snap him out of it this time.

The ground work is being laid for some really cool upcomming stuff.


I am quite amaze you actually post the same thing over thehawk there...


Well regarding what you said... the only thing i disagree is about Griffith knowing nothing about Elfhelm... In fact i am rather sure that he does know, just that he didnt want to take action because he got a tough foe to deal with it first (Ganishka)... Wait till he ascended the throne of midland and conquer the whole country including Kushan's one, he will then focus his attention on the last and the only place which will post a dangerous threat to his empire in the future... Elfhelm, the last fortress for humanity and good before evil bind the world in the darkness...

I am quite sure there will definitely be a major battle (in fact maybe final) between Elfhelm and the hawks, where Guts, Casca and Griffith will meet face to face, their dialogue between them will be awesome and unforgetable...
Title: Re:Episode 237
Post by: dwarfkicker on March 29, 2004, 04:01:04 PM
Yeah I know I posted the same thing over at the Hawks boards (copy and paste is a wonderful thing) but not everyone here goes there so I'm just putting in my two cents.  Plus, it beats having this thread turn into a complete arguement with xechnao right?
Title: Re:Episode 237
Post by: kkempter on March 29, 2004, 04:12:11 PM
Here's some food for thought: the king of elfhelm can help Casca's mind return to normal, can he also help heal Guts mind? maybe give him stronger reign over the beast?
Title: Re:Episode 237
Post by: korkor on March 29, 2004, 04:50:07 PM
Here's some food for thought: the king of elfhelm can help Casca's mind return to normal, can he also help heal Guts mind? maybe give him stronger reign over the beast?

but isnt that what we love about Guts?
Title: Re:Episode 237
Post by: kkempter on March 29, 2004, 06:20:40 PM
well.... yeah.... but i'd still like for him to remain human. if he lost control to the beast we'd miss out on his winning personality?  ;D and there has to be breaks from the violence every once in a while, no need to have him die from overexertion, or pass out like he did back when Farnese took him prisioner.  i think it'd be more badass if he was able to drop into berserker mode and then come back out after some serious ass-kicking and show them that he didn't even break a sweat. i'm mostly just thinking of the safety of his group at the moment. no need to have him going around biting peoples nipples off, nipples are very important to some people...
Title: Re:Episode 237
Post by: DemonX on March 29, 2004, 08:03:15 PM
Is Xechnao, after reaching 1000 posts, suddenly going to become some kind of "Super-Troll" and take over the entire board?
Yes


Anyways, Guts beast is definitly gonna cause problems when/if Casca regains her sanity. Count on the beast to break guts and Casca up.
Title: Re:Episode 237
Post by: dwarfkicker on March 29, 2004, 08:18:01 PM
People are saying how Guts might decide not to pursue Griffith if Casca decides not to go chasing after revenge.  I bet if Casca is killed by Griffith, Guts will go on a raging warpath of destruction.  I have a nagging thought in the back of my mind that something bad is gonna happen with Casca.  Wether she dies or maybe joins up with Griffith, either outcome has a chance of comming true.
Title: Re:Episode 237
Post by: korkor on March 30, 2004, 01:38:37 AM
dont know about Casca dying, but maybe kidnap...

and for some reason i think guts has survived at some points because of the beast... it is a part of him... he wouldnt be guts without it
Title: Re:Episode 237
Post by: nir085 on March 30, 2004, 02:10:59 AM
... Elfhelm, the last fortress for humanity and good before evil bind the world in the darkness...

I am quite sure there will definitely be a major battle (in fact maybe final) between Elfhelm and the hawks, where Guts, Casca and Griffith will meet face to face, their dialogue between them will be awesome and unforgetable...
Why does Elfhelm have to be the "last fortress"? From what I am guessing, Elfhelm is no Minas Tirith. If everything ends at Elfhelm in one gigantic blaze of glory and bloodshed, then that would be way too predictable of an ending for a very unpredictable story. There is bound to be at least another battle between Guts party (whoever they end up being) and Griffith's party (whoever they end up being), but I hope that is not the end to the series.

Anyways, Guts beast is definitly gonna cause problems when/if Casca regains her sanity. Count on the beast to break guts and Casca up.
Woohoo for the Beast then!

As for the Beast dominating Guts mind, I think and hope that Guts will channel the hardcore rage that he gets from the beast into a more powerful kind of fighting rather than unharnessed, often prurient, energy.

The way I see it, Guts will eventually become like a mix between his Black Swordsman self and his Commander of the Hawks Raiders self.
Title: Re:Episode 237
Post by: QUeeN typhonblue on March 30, 2004, 02:54:00 AM
Since Guts has fought all his life, and considering the parallels between Godo and Guts, maybe Guts' last stand agianst Griffith won't be a fight at all.

Or won't be resolved with a fight.

Title: Re:Episode 237
Post by: dwarfkicker on March 30, 2004, 03:24:54 AM
I really hope that's not the case.  Guts and Griffith need to have an epic duel.  One that takes up a whole volume.
Title: Re:Episode 237
Post by: DemonX on March 30, 2004, 04:26:36 AM
I really hope that's not the case.  Guts and Griffith need to have an epic duel.  One that takes up a whole volume.

Make that two. And while that is happening, Sk is facing off with void. And also while that is happening, Ishirdo is kicking mules ass. And while that is happening, Casca, Shierk (bah who cares about spelling anyways), Farnese, and Serpico will be kicking the apostle army's AZZ! (shit, there i go)
Title: Re:Episode 237
Post by: Nomad on March 30, 2004, 06:47:48 AM
I've always felt that Skully will eventually join the rest of the new gang, but I doubt that he knows Guts' "destiny" as such. He probably has suspicions based on what he know about guts but I haven't read anything in the manga that suggests that Skully knows whats going to happen in the future. Though he does seem to have some powers of foresight, he only seems capable of reacting to the actions of the God-hand, though anyone is more than welcome to prove me wrong on this.  :-\  

 OK for some reason I cant post any images... but on Guts's reunion with SK after the Eclipse...while He starts making his declaraion of war against the demons...SK clearly says " Ive Found you.... You are truly the light that shines in the dark place"... In my little ignorant world I took it as he has been waiting for this moment...as of he predicted that somebody will make some changes... meaning...he probably might know what Guts's future might be... thats just my opinion...
Title: Re:Episode 237
Post by: Olivier Hague on March 30, 2004, 09:42:30 AM
on Guts's reunion with SK after the Eclipse...while He starts making his declaraion of war against the demons...SK clearly says " Ive Found you.... You are truly the light that shines in the dark place"...
Bad translation.
Title: Re:Episode 237
Post by: SaiyajinNoOuji on March 30, 2004, 12:14:25 PM
Wow, what the fuck has happened to this damn thread, the damn moderator should get off his ass and do something... wait a minute....
Title: Re:Episode 237
Post by: Majin Tenshi on March 30, 2004, 12:38:10 PM
SaiyajinNoOuji... its still here...
Title: Re:Episode 237
Post by: Smith on March 30, 2004, 01:59:45 PM
Why does Elfhelm have to be the "last fortress"? From what I am guessing, Elfhelm is no Minas Tirith. If everything ends at Elfhelm in one gigantic blaze of glory and bloodshed, then that would be way too predictable of an ending for a very unpredictable story.


But it is the only place left that could withstand Griffith force... if Griffith had conquer the world this will be the last place that can fight and defend against his apostles army, of course this is way too predictable but then again I believe Griffith will attack here, it is only matter of time


Make that two. And while that is happening, Sk is facing off with void. And also while that is happening, Ishirdo is kicking mules ass. And while that is happening, Casca, Shierk (bah who cares about spelling anyways), Farnese, and Serpico will be kicking the apostle army's AZZ! (shit, there i go)


I am sorry to say this but there is absolutely no way that Guts band can survive Griffith's army... dont even say fight... at least not without the fairy king help (i hope he is that powerful). The reason is because if SK join in he will be busy handling Zodd, and Guts alone maybe have to deal with either Grunbeld, Locus, Irvine or Rakashas... or worst come to worst take 2 at a time... And even at such a losing situation there is no way that Serpico, Farnese, Schierke, Casca, Isidro, Azan (let include him) can fight the other 2 super apostles combine... Not to mention Griffith is there himself... he alone is good enough to slaughter (except for Guts and SK) the rest of them with just a finger


Unless they stay there and train themselves for a couple of years where the band have improve their power considerably, there is no way i can imagine how they will survive Griffith encounter
Title: Re:Episode 237
Post by: theblakeman on March 30, 2004, 02:43:48 PM
I think Sillatt +Tapasa versus Rakshas is inevitable.  ;)
Title: Re:Episode 237
Post by: Walter on March 30, 2004, 05:36:33 PM
Just curious. What's the direction of this thread? Berserk plot caricatures?
Title: Re:Episode 237
Post by: Griffith on March 30, 2004, 07:07:47 PM
Hey guys, I have this crazy feelin' Casca is going to get kidnapped or join Griffith or kill Guts or fight Skull Knight or die or live or something!!? I think guts can beat Griffith because in this translation I read once Skull Knight said, "Gattzu, you are the chosen fish that can jump from the waves of fate and stop fate and Void is my mortal enemy, whom I have sworn an oath to destroy with my blade of destiny." This is definate evidence of my new theories. I should also mention I have slight ESP, yersterday the phone rang and I thought, " I bet that's my Dad!" and it was my mom! Pretty close.

-Griffith

P.S. I say we trade this thread to thehawks.org forum for some of their trash threads.

"C'mon whitehawk, don't jerk me around, this is a current chapters thread, coveted on SK.net; it's worth at least two of your threads about the new Berserk game or about how everything in the series past the current downloadable volume sucks because you can't get it in 5 minutes. Plus, you have garbage to spare."
Title: Re:Episode 237
Post by: PsychoJavexx on March 30, 2004, 08:23:48 PM
I was just wondering, is thehawks.org really that bad, and if so, why bother going there to check out the boards?
Title: Re:Episode 237
Post by: Aquedesin on March 30, 2004, 08:25:40 PM
"C'mon whitehawk, don't jerk me around, this is a current chapters thread, coveted on SK.net; it's worth at least two of your threads about the new Berserk game or about how everything in the series past the current downloadable volume sucks because you can't get it in 5 minutes. Plus, you have garbage to spare."

LOL!  ;D
Title: Re:Episode 237
Post by: Griffith on March 30, 2004, 09:28:45 PM
I was just wondering, is thehawks.org really that bad, and if so, why bother going there to check out the boards?

Actually, go check it out, itís much better than here. As a matter of fact, you should probably stop coming to this board at all, it sucks, post at thehawks board exclusively. We'll miss you, but you have to think of what's best for you. They give you free candy! Go! Run Javexx! Go boy!!! Tasty treats!

-Griffith

P.S. For the record, I can't check out thehawks board because the great white weenie over there IP banned me for making constructive criticisim and progressive suggestions for improvement. I can only assume it's still a cesspool for scan skags that havenít even seen a page of Berserk that wasnít a jpeg. Can the two-timers we have here tell me if itís still just bitching about magic, redundant posts about old news thehawks just now got, and general confusion and stupidity?
Title: Re:Episode 237
Post by: PsychoJavexx on March 30, 2004, 09:58:20 PM
Actually, go check it out, itís much better than here. As a matter of fact, you should probably stop coming to this board at all, it sucks, post at thehawks board exclusively. We'll miss you, but you have to think of what's best for you. They give you free candy! Go! Run Javexx! Go boy!!! Tasty treats!

-Griffith

Hey, how about you kiss my ass?  Why are you always a smartass, I was just asking a question.  If you don't like them, or what they do, then don't go there and stop bashing them.  I don't want to hear about them.  If I wanted to hear about them, I'd go there.  I have better things to do with my time than deciding which messageboard to go to anyway.
Title: Re:Episode 237
Post by: Griffith on March 30, 2004, 10:29:59 PM
That worked better than I thought.

Hey, how about you kiss my ass?  Why are you always a smartass, I was just asking a question.  If you don't like them, or what they do, then don't go there and stop bashing them.  I don't want to hear about them.  If I wanted to hear about them, I'd go there.  I have better things to do with my time than deciding which messageboard to go to anyway.

Hey, wait a minute, Javexx, Iím confused, your question had some kind of hidden agenda? You're interest wasn't in the content of thehawks.org forum? You were being sarcastic and saying if I have nothing nice to say, then I should say nothing at all? Sorry, I obviously misunderstood you!  

Or, maybe Iím just a smarter smartass than you are, and you should skip a step next time and kiss my ass when you get the urge to try and climb on your high horse with me, dickhead. Also, since you exclusively post worthless trash, I don't think you should be telling anybody what you don't want to hear about.

Glad we cleared that up that miscommunication.

-Griffith
Title: Re:Episode 237
Post by: dwarfkicker on March 30, 2004, 10:56:15 PM
Yeah Griffith the Hawks board still have people bitching about magic use in the series.  It drives me up a fucking wall >:(.  It makes the story more interesting to mix it up like that.  Some people are just a little simple minded sometimes.
Title: Re:Episode 237
Post by: PsychoJavexx on March 30, 2004, 10:56:55 PM
You'd rather me post shit like Xech or anybody else around here?  I just wanted a simple yes or no answer to that question.  And how is my worthless trash any worse than anyone else's?  All this speculating and talking isn't going to change a thing anyway.  I'm proud of you Griffith, you've proven once again that you're the master of a pointless messageboard.  I think I am going to just stay away from here from now on.  Like I said, I have better things to do with life than worry about what you think is going to happen in Berserk.
Title: Re:Episode 237
Post by: Griffith on March 30, 2004, 11:15:42 PM
You'd rather me post shit like Xech or anybody else around here?

Yes. As much as I disagree with Xech and his methods, debating him forces me to reexamine my own poisition and the story itself, so I understand the series that much better. Xech thinks differently about the series, and he causes people like me to do so as well. That is valuable. Daddy's Noodles and other one sentence stock responses are not.

I just wanted a simple yes or no answer to that question.

No.

And how is my worthless trash any worse than anyone else's? All this speculating and talking isn't going to change a thing anyway.  

I didn't say it was. And yes, our speculations will have no effect on the story whatsoever. Unless Kentarou Miura is our biggest lurker. =)

I'm proud of you Griffith, you've proven once again that you're the master of a pointless messageboard.

Thank you, I'd like to think I taught you something today. My pointless words obviously have a great impact on you.

I think I am going to just stay away from here from now on.  Like I said, I have better things to do with life than worry about what you think is going to happen in Berserk.

Sure you do. See ya later. ;D

-Griffith

P.S. Thanks for the feedback, dwarfkicker.  See, and I was right all along too. 8)
Title: Re:Episode 237
Post by: Shurikn on March 31, 2004, 12:23:41 AM
You'd rather me post shit like Xech or anybody else around here?

Hey smartass don't put everybody on the same boat, speak for yourself first, and don't talk about anybody else..


P.S. you are an asshole
Title: Re:Episode 237
Post by: dwarfkicker on March 31, 2004, 12:31:56 AM
Well this thread has no hope of going back to anything berserk.  So when's the next chapter coming out?  Next Friday?
Title: Re:Episode 237
Post by: DemonX on March 31, 2004, 04:21:49 AM
Heh, I understand why the next thread isn't coming out now. Hehe graywords and saiya fear its gonna pop up like this one, all fucked up and pointless, so they will make it when the next chapter comes out!  :D! Im retarded  :D!

P.S.: Lets make Javexx the new troll boy, or at least the 2nd one  :P.
Title: Re:Episode 237
Post by: Graywords on March 31, 2004, 09:15:34 AM
Heh, I understand why the next thread isn't coming out now. Hehe graywords and saiya fear its gonna pop up like this one, all fucked up and pointless, so they will make it when the next chapter comes out!  :D! Im retarded  :D!

Any and every thread on this entire board has the potential to become fucked up and pointless, as long as people continue to post irreverent and irrelevant shit to them.  ^_^  It's a known fact of all boards... and it's not gonna stop everybody else from posting things that actually have meaning. ;)  It just means there will be that much more sewage to muck through to get to the sparklies.

And the next thread will be made by whoever first notices the special preview, and posts it for everyone to jerk off to.  So remain calm, it's coming!  ;D
Title: Re:Episode 237
Post by: Smith on March 31, 2004, 09:27:31 AM
Well this thread has no hope of going back to anything berserk.  So when's the next chapter coming out?  Next Friday?


9th of April... Didnt the scans mentioned that on last page?
Title: Re:Episode 237
Post by: SaiyajinNoOuji on March 31, 2004, 12:08:47 PM
Wow, this thread makes me happy in the pants, so much that I have to do what I have to do....