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Title: Berserk voice acting
Post by: Malf on August 23, 2004, 03:42:41 AM
After watching the berserk anime a few times in Japanese and in english I really thought that the English voice acting was alot better. I know thats kind of odd for the english to be better than the japanese but out of all the anime ive watched, berserk is the only one were the english was better than the japanese. Im curiouse to what you fellow skullknighters think. Im sure you all will say the japanese is better but maybe not.
Title: Re: Berserk voice acting
Post by: Nomad on August 23, 2004, 04:04:04 AM
I guess it's ok... my favorite is the "Singing Griffith" in the outakes though... One voice that really botherd me was Zodd's (japanese). 

  As far for english vs Japanese... so far the best english audio track for me is Macross Plus... better sound, and most defenetly more attitude. At least in my opinion.

  By the way Malf, Enya is coming up with a new CD (seriously) ;D
Title: Re: Berserk voice acting
Post by: nir085 on August 23, 2004, 05:03:20 AM
Most people here seem to hate both dubs, but the few who do like either dub prefer the japanese over the english. You and I are in the minority of Berserk fans worldwide and if we knew Berserk fans in real life, we would probably fall prey to a lynching because of our beliefs, especially because we even like the anime in the first place. It's just weird sometimes, when things get too medieval-like, to hear people speak only in japanese. When it's not so medieval, (the few times) it's better.

I like the english audio track. It could have been way more refined, but I thought the english dubs were better than most other anime dubs - screw what others think. Guts' voice was sort of whiny and high-pitched in the japanese audio track and Griffith's was nowhere as charismatic enough as he should have sounded. Guts' voice (english) was a little too heroic, however, I personally thought both versions should have gave Guts a darker, dour voice. Zodd was way better in the english track considering that he actually sounded like a demon. Then again...a few of the english voices are extremely annoying. Gaston's voice, for example, wanted to make me puke. I swear, his english VA and Goku's english VA are one in the same.
Title: Re: Berserk voice acting
Post by: Sparnage on August 23, 2004, 06:00:25 AM
Japanese dub all the way. Guts and Griffith's voice were near perfect for the role I think, Griffith not having a bulky powerful guys voice but still a strong convincing voice, and Guts's voice had a  rough and dark tone to it (dunno where whiny came from). I can't quiet point out exactly what I liked about but it was very suited to his character as a young wild character.

Casca's was satisfactory, Judeau's was fitting and overall I couldn't pick out anyones voice that wasn't appropriate.... just overdone at times. Besides it's almost impossible to find a english over dub that actually works in a Anime, in theory it should work but almost never comes out right.
Title: Re: Berserk voice acting
Post by: JeffC on August 23, 2004, 06:15:29 AM
I liked both. Though I tend to enjoy watching it in English more, since everyone seems to be European and not Japanese.

My favorite English Dub is the old Akira dub, with the guy who does Leonardo's voice and almost everyother voice in random animes/games. That dub was my fav, hard to find it good quality though.
Title: Re: Berserk voice acting
Post by: Smith on August 23, 2004, 06:39:35 AM
After watching the berserk anime a few times in Japanese and in english I really thought that the English voice acting was alot better. I know thats kind of odd for the english to be better than the japanese but out of all the anime ive watched, berserk is the only one were the english was better than the japanese. Im curiouse to what you fellow skullknighters think. Im sure you all will say the japanese is better but maybe not.

DVD u mean? Mine doesnt have any english translation in both vioces and subtitles
Title: Re: Berserk voice acting
Post by: KuraiDragoon on August 23, 2004, 06:41:46 AM
Gaston's voice, for example, wanted to make me puke. I swear, his english VA and Goku's english VA are one in the same.

Yes they are actually. Goku's VA did Gaston's voice, as well as about 6000 other minor characters in Berserk.
Title: Re: Berserk voice acting
Post by: IV on August 23, 2004, 06:52:25 AM
Well anyway, my take is that the Japanese VA were closer to what the original director wanted the voices to be, making it far truer to original intent of the director.
But even so, I am a ignorant english speaking american, and although some english voices are in fact horrific, I beleived that many of the VA were great choices in berserk.  But as mentioned Super Saiyan Gaston :o(Never realized till you mentioned it.) , not a great choice. 
But on another note, does anyone know of anything else any of the voice actors are in?
I only know Ricket, Judeu, and Adon are in Samurai Deeper Kyo.
Title: Re: Berserk voice acting
Post by: Sparnage on August 23, 2004, 03:27:45 PM
I liked both. Though I tend to enjoy watching it in English more, since everyone seems to be European and not Japanese.

My favorite English Dub is the old Akira dub, with the guy who does Leonardo's voice and almost everyother voice in random animes/games. That dub was my fav, hard to find it good quality though.

The new Akira dub is definitely better and makes more sense than the original english version as thats what it's made for, but yeah I do miss Leonardo's corny voice as Kaneda. ;D
Title: Re: Berserk voice acting
Post by: Eddie on August 23, 2004, 04:58:10 PM
The new Akira dub is definitely better and makes more sense than the original english version as thats what it's made for, but yeah I do miss Leonardo's corny voice as Kaneda. ;D
I love the line:
"oh, It's in the Genes" which when you turn on the subs or watch a fansub is nothing like the actual line.

Most people probably know my take on dubs. Can you blame me though? After seeing what Harmony Gold did to Macross, I can't help but say that every single american anime company is a whore and doesn't pay dick of attention to their VA casting, which i can prove in any Gundam series (cept seed because I never watched that). Casca sounded like a total bitch, and Guts sounded too heroic.
Title: Re: Berserk voice acting
Post by: C on August 23, 2004, 07:27:28 PM
i liked the english voice dubbing alot,

griffiths voice was perfect,

the rest were very well too ...

as far as japanese voice acting,

the only series i liked in japanese,

in fact i liked it so much i refuse to watch it in english because the japanese voices were so awesome,

even though i dont understand japanese  ;D,

was hellsing, it had superb japanese voice acting,

most others just really suck,

but thats my 20 dollars worth  ;D

 - c
Title: Re: Berserk voice acting
Post by: dwarfkicker on August 23, 2004, 08:45:49 PM
I also gotta say the dub for berserk rocked.  What killed the japanese version for me was Zodd's voice.  I was watching him beat down Guts and then he speaks.  I was like "Is this a joke?  A big bad monster without a monstrous voice!"  But then again I watched it in english first and then checked out the japanese one.

Griffith's english voice actor was perfect for him.  And Guts' was perfect for all his fits of rage.

I hope they get the dub actors for the upcoming game. Provided it comes out in the states. 
Title: Re: Berserk voice acting
Post by: Jon Schaffer on August 23, 2004, 09:16:42 PM


Yes they are actually. Goku's VA did Gaston's voice, as well as about 6000 other minor characters in Berserk.

Someone told me that the VA of Bardock was the same as Guts. I tested it and I would have to agree, though I have no proof.
Title: Re: Berserk voice acting
Post by: dwarfkicker on August 23, 2004, 11:17:02 PM
No it's not Bardock.  The guy who does Bardock's voice also does Krillin's.  No lie.
Title: Re: Berserk voice acting
Post by: Jon Schaffer on August 23, 2004, 11:22:35 PM
No it's not Bardock.  The guy who does Bardock's voice also does Krillin's.  No lie.
Oh, oh well :P thanks for correcting me.
Roger's VA(Big O) is also Spike's(Cowboy Bebop).
Title: Re: Berserk voice acting
Post by: Malf on August 24, 2004, 12:55:31 AM
Hellsing had nice japanese but I liked the english because the people actualy had the right acent. An the english does go well for berserk becuase of the medievel setting.

 I thought The voice of gaston wasnt so bad. But when watching dbz gokus voice does get annoying, but compared to the japanese goku holy crap his voice is mega dooper high little girl style.

lady charlettes voice played by the same person as misty from pokemon was well done i think. I really dont think any ones voice was bad in english but i Thought the voice of the gay governer could have been done better instead of griffiths voice.

I believe the the person who does the voice of casca is also the voice of a dieing child in the weathering continent but besides that I would also like to know of other shows or movies that the berserk cast has been besides samurai deeper kyo.
Title: Re: Berserk voice acting
Post by: IV on August 24, 2004, 04:41:28 AM

Oh, oh well :P thanks for correcting me.
Roger's VA(Big O) is also Spike's(Cowboy Bebop).
he is also Tom from toonami, shishio from rurouni kenshin, Darcia from wolf's rain, Jamie from Megas XLR, and did some various voices for FLCL.  I think that's most of the cartoon network things he's been in.
Title: Re: Berserk voice acting
Post by: The_Fetus_Ninja on August 24, 2004, 06:04:39 AM
i thought the english voices were perfect for berserk.  guts had the manly raspy anithero type voice.  almost clint eastwoodish.  griffith had the metrosexual suave I'm-going-to-fuck-you-over-first-chance-I-get voice.  the japanese voice actors have too high of voices to do ballsy type heros like guts.  sure its ok for shit like dbz and akira where its a bunch of kids, buts guts is a manly man with a massive set swinging below.  Actually, I prefer the american dubs over the originals in most everything so I suppose I'm biased.  although, bastard!! did sound pretty good in japanese.  whatever, the main characters voices were sweet.
Title: Re: Berserk voice acting
Post by: dwarfkicker on August 24, 2004, 10:04:54 PM
I always watch anime in english.  Depending on the anime I might switch it over to the japanese audio track.
Title: Re: Berserk voice acting
Post by: Denial on August 24, 2004, 10:40:37 PM
I thought the English VA was spot-on where it matters, which is Guts, Griffith and Casca. The Japanese VA was ok when I first watched the series, but after watching through it and comparing to the English VA I realize it's not as good. There are some issues with the English VA but at least the main characters are right.
Title: Re: Berserk voice acting
Post by: Eddie on August 25, 2004, 01:57:55 AM

he is also Tom from toonami, shishio from rurouni kenshin, Darcia from wolf's rain, Jamie from Megas XLR, and did some various voices for FLCL.  I think that's most of the cartoon network things he's been in.
god, kenshin had such a horrific dub.
Title: Re: Berserk voice acting
Post by: Wii wii wii on August 25, 2004, 09:03:58 PM
IIRC, in one of the outtakes isn't Guts looking at Gaston when he makes a comment like "Which one of you is Goku?"

By the way, as soon as I heard "Lets hear it for our commander!" the word Kamehameha popped into my head.

And I prefer dub, I tried listening to the japanese voices(watching ep 6) but as soon as I heard Guts and then Zodd's voice I shut it off.
Title: Re: Berserk voice acting
Post by: Nomad on August 26, 2004, 06:48:47 AM
ok then... what about the voices in the Dreamcast game...hhhhhhhmmmmm?  ;)
Title: Re: Berserk voice acting
Post by: asmer on August 26, 2004, 09:51:43 AM
what about the voices in the Dreamcast game...

Guts saying: "My Casca", was really like... unforgettable... :-X
Title: Re: Berserk voice acting
Post by: KuraiDragoon on August 28, 2004, 12:57:40 AM
I love Griffith's anime dub voice.. it's very fitting.. and the occasional randomly busting out in a song is good too.
Title: Re: Berserk voice acting
Post by: All_4_Yume on September 05, 2004, 08:27:46 PM
  I like them both but I think the dub is better.  I guess I'm accustomed to hearing english when seeing medieval stuff like castles and knights.  Japanese Guts sounds like he's voiced by least 2 different people.  Unlike most of the folks in this thread I thought japanese Zodd sounder better.  I thought he sounded tough in japanese but whatever.  English Griffith was godly.  I liked japanese Casca better as she was a little too annoying in english.  I held off truly judging English Guts until I heard "the line."  When japanese dude yelled "Griffithussuu!!!" I got chills down by my spine so english guy had to least equal that for me to totally give him the thumbs up.  I must say even after I've seen that scene at least 5 times before the english dub the english va scream gave me the chills like as if it was the first time I saw it.  Thumbs up, the boy did his thing.           
Title: Re: Berserk voice acting
Post by: Jon Schaffer on September 05, 2004, 08:31:28 PM
I didn't like Griffiths voice actor. It sounded to average. I was expecting this deep unearthly voice, like in the opening with the decrepit hand. But I didn't get it. I agree though, Caskas voice was the worst. Especially when she yelled "BASTARD!"
Title: Re: Berserk voice acting
Post by: nir085 on September 05, 2004, 11:10:22 PM
I didn't like Griffiths voice actor. It sounded to average. I was expecting this deep unearthly voice, like in the opening with the decrepit hand. But I didn't get it.
Huh? Deep, unearthly voice...you mean, like an Apostle's voice? Griffith was just an ambitious, charismatic, and somewhat snobbish pretty boy in the Taka No Dan Arc. Like the Harvard prep turned evil or something to that effect. So how didn't Griffith's VA fit him?

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I agree though, Caskas voice was the worst. Especially when she yelled "BASTARD!"
Casca sounded like a whiny bitch, yeah, but she is a whiny bitch. Can you really imagine this girl:
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v107/nir085/upload/Casca.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v107/nir085/upload/caska2.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v107/nir085/upload/caska3.jpg)
having a upper class, deep, or high pitched voice?
Title: Re: Berserk voice acting
Post by: Jon Schaffer on September 06, 2004, 03:13:00 PM
Huh? Deep, uneartly voice...you mean, like an Apostle's voice? Griffith was just an ambitious, charismatic, and somewhat snobbish pretty boy in the Taka No Dan Arc. Like the Harvard prep turned evil or something to that effect. So how didn't Griffith's VA fit him?

Well, he is Femto after all...

But I see what your saying. It was just the way I saw it. Everyone has different expectations and mine (as usual) was WAY off.

Most apostles have that voice that sounds like two people are talking. Which is probably because they're apostle form is like another person...
Title: Re: Berserk voice acting
Post by: Aazealh on September 06, 2004, 03:41:24 PM
Most apostles have that voice that sounds like two people are talking. Which is probably because they're apostle form is like another person...

Well, to be honest I think it's more just because it's a cool effect.
Title: Re: Berserk voice acting
Post by: Malf on September 07, 2004, 06:24:01 PM
an aposltles voice wouldnt work at all for griffith in my opinion.
Title: Re: Berserk voice acting
Post by: Eddie on September 07, 2004, 09:48:42 PM
an aposltles voice wouldnt work at all for griffith in my opinion.
If I remeber correctly they only use that effect for an apostle when it's in the form of an apostle, but i'm not sure. And we have yet to see "Griffith Apostle", so...
Title: Re: Berserk voice acting
Post by: KuraiDragoon on September 08, 2004, 02:18:46 AM
Griffith is a hardcore metrosexual. A deep apostle voice wouldnt work for him at all. His english voice was perfect. I can see why one would initially think of him as having an apostle voice.. if youre going by the manga.. because you see Femto before you see Griffith.. and Femto is a Godhand. But Griffith was Griffith before he was Femto... and while he could kick just about anyones ass.. a big, tough manly-man, Griffith was not. The semi-feminine, confident, ambitious, articulate, sophisticated, well mannered, and extremely passionate voice worked very well with him.
Title: Re: Berserk voice acting
Post by: Sparnage on September 14, 2004, 10:04:04 PM
BAH to most of you, Japanese voice acting all the way. Any english voice over I have seen isn't necessarily always crap, but it always takes away part of the general Anime atmosphere and culture that was originally created.

Anime is Japanese, so let it remain the way it was created without westerners fucking with it any more than is needed. What are you all semi illiterate or something? Subtitles move too fast?
Title: Re: Berserk voice acting
Post by: Jon Schaffer on September 14, 2004, 10:28:23 PM
BAH to most of you, Japanese voice acting all the way. Any english voice over I have seen isn't necessarily always crap, but it always takes away part of the general Anime atmosphere and culture that was originally created.

Anime is Japanese, so let it remain the way it was created without westerners fucking with it any more than is needed. What are you all semi illiterate or something? Subtitles move too fast?

Calm down buddy. Its all about opinions. Just because the fact that its Japanese that makes the japanese voice actors better? I don't like them because it sounds like they just took in a deep breath of a helium balloon. Voids was good in the Japanese dub however.

Its just what I'm used to hearing. I'm not exactly a big fan of anime and manga, just Berserk which I happened to stumble upon at a friends house. So forgive me if I don't watch much anime and have insulted you by calling the English dubs "better".
Title: Re: Berserk voice acting
Post by: Sparnage on September 14, 2004, 10:38:41 PM
Yeah, different opinions and all but I still strongly believe the original is by far more authentic, and everything about the voice acting was put in to best suit what the actual creators of the Anime wanted.
Title: Re: Berserk voice acting
Post by: Jon Schaffer on September 14, 2004, 10:45:40 PM
Everything about the voice acting was put in to best suit what the actual creators of the Anime wanted.
True, but Miura said he wasn't always there, he just corrected what was wrong. Your probably right though, if I was Miura I wouldn't want some prick with a high pitched voice playing Guts. Japanese is also a very different language from English and I'm not used to hearing it so thats the only reason I don't like it. I'm sure if I watched things with subs I get used to it.  ;)
Title: Re: Berserk voice acting
Post by: Sparnage on September 14, 2004, 11:03:55 PM
I suppose it does taking some getting used to, but since I started I never looked back.

Also after watching many different Anime series that way you unconsciously find yourself able to pick up small pieces of Japanese and get a idea on what they are saying at times which is kinda cool. I'm sure I would have a reasonable head start to most people if I started learning Japanese for that reason alone.
Title: Re: Berserk voice acting
Post by: DemonX on September 15, 2004, 02:14:20 AM
Well, I can kinda see it in Spar's point of view. Wouldn't want guts to say mate after every other sentence, would we  ;).
Title: Re: Berserk voice acting
Post by: Opie on September 15, 2004, 03:45:15 AM
The only dub voice I liked was Griffiths, so much so that I watched the whole thing just for it. Other than him its the sub all the way.
Title: Re: Berserk voice acting
Post by: Aazealh on September 15, 2004, 06:16:52 AM
Just because the fact that its Japanese that makes the japanese voice actors better?

Well, I don't mean to say US dubs are shit or anything, but I really think Japan is leading in that field, they've got quite a number of professionnal dubbers, and as far as it goes for me, their work's quality has close to no equal.

And I'm not necessarily talking about Berserk, take One Piece for example, listen to the Japanese dub and after that to any other, and you'll see what I mean.
Title: Re: Berserk voice acting
Post by: Rammsoldat on September 20, 2004, 03:49:16 AM
i thought the dub in english was well done, the japanese one was ok but not as good. i never did take sides in the whole dub-v-sub war.

as fer goku in dbz and his voice, while its true his va in english isnt the best ever at least he actually sounds like a man as opposed to his japanese counterpart, wich is a shame as the rest of the japanese dbz cast are great.

also the english piccolo is cool, he does a good jigen from lupin III too.
Title: Re: Berserk voice acting
Post by: Aazealh on September 20, 2004, 06:56:05 AM
i thought the dub in english was well done, the japanese one was ok but not as good. i never did take sides in the whole dub-v-sub war.

Well, I just happened to listen to the English dub, and I must say from the point of view of a non-English and non-Japanese speaker (as objectively as I can be) that it's nowhere near as good as the Japanese one, it actually sounds like a joke to me.
Title: Re: Berserk voice acting
Post by: oldschoolgoth on September 25, 2004, 01:54:00 AM
I normally prefer subs to dubs, but in Berserk's case, I think a lot which I prefer had to do with the setting. Japanese just didn't sound completely right with the setting. Though there were some bad parts on the english dub, it was very good, and I normally hate hate HAAAATE dubs, so...yeah. My 2 cents.
Title: Re: Berserk voice acting
Post by: Sparnage on September 25, 2004, 07:40:55 AM
I normally prefer subs to dubs, but in Berserk's case, I think a lot which I prefer had to do with the setting. Japanese just didn't sound completely right with the setting. Though there were some bad parts on the english dub, it was very good, and I normally hate hate HAAAATE dubs, so...yeah. My 2 cents.

I had to find out for myself on what the english dub sounded like, and I can safely say I don't see what the hype is about in the slightest. Guts is overly big macho man type, Casca has such a whiny tone in her voice that makes her so much more annoying, Griffith is Ok but only because he was the closest to the original voice and tone from the Jap version.

Maybe I'm just going crazy.
Title: Re: Berserk voice acting
Post by: KuraiDragoon on September 25, 2004, 07:51:50 AM
I do agree about Guts.. his voice sounded too old in the english dub. When I first watched the anime I always thought Guts was like 30 years old.. and then I come to find out that hes like 15-18 in it.. and it just doesnt seem right to me.. he doesnt sound like a teenager.. but it was the first voice I had to go by and so in my mind that voice is the voice of Guts.. just because its what Ive grown accustomed to. I do like the voice.. I just think it sounds a bit too old for a someone Guts' age.


..and just an add-in.. I thought Juedo's voice in the dub was absolutly perfect.. I loved that one.. as well as others Ive mentioned.
Title: Re: Berserk voice acting
Post by: Sven Viking on September 28, 2004, 11:50:31 AM
I far prefer the Japanese voices, but then admittedly, I heard them first. Who here who prefers the English voices first watched the anime in Japanese, and which of you who prefer the Japanese voices first watched the series in English?
Title: Re: Berserk voice acting
Post by: KuraiDragoon on September 28, 2004, 07:46:40 PM
Exactly.. it really depends on what you saw first. Once your mind hears a character talking.. it notes that as being the voice of the character.. so then hearing it differently wouldnt seem right to you.
Title: Re: Berserk voice acting
Post by: Sparnage on September 29, 2004, 01:04:11 AM
I far prefer the Japanese voices, but then admittedly, I heard them first. Who here who prefers the English voices first watched the anime in Japanese, and which of you who prefer the Japanese voices first watched the series in English?

Yeah that is certainly a factor but then again, I saw Akira, Ninja scroll and Ghost in the shell several times before I started appreciating the original Japanese dub.
Title: Re: Berserk voice acting
Post by: C on September 29, 2004, 05:15:31 AM
ya know,

i would really like to see what the american voice actors for Berserk look like ;D

i was watching samurai kyo at my friends house (i cant remember if that was the exact name or not :-X) and it had rickerts, judos, and guts voice actors from Berserk in it,

it totally threw me off the whole movie :(,

but i wonder what they really look like  ???

i would especially like to see the griffith voice actor, it would probably shock me if i saw him  :o

 - c  ;)
Title: Re: Berserk voice acting
Post by: Rammsoldat on September 29, 2004, 05:49:44 AM


Yeah that is certainly a factor but then again, I saw Akira, Ninja scroll and Ghost in the shell several times before I started appreciating the original Japanese dub.

Gotta agree, i often find that if ive watched a show in japanese first i tend to prefer the voices.

Cept in a few freak cases of course like with cowboy bebop. The there are shows like naruto, i couldnt imagine that show in english.
Title: Re: Berserk voice acting
Post by: C on September 29, 2004, 08:20:59 AM
well, i looked around for a while and found these two pictures of the american voice actors ;D:

guts(mark diraison):
(http://www.10-4.kingswolf.com/mark_diraison_guts.jpg)


and Casca (carrie Keranen) :
(http://www.10-4.kingswolf.com/Carrie_Keranen_caska.jpg)

but i looked for a long time and couldnt find griffith :(

his name is kevin collins, i found several pictures of voice talents named kevin collins, but none of them did griffith,

if someone else finds him, please post it, ive gotta know! :-X

 - c

(interesting what they look like eh?)
Title: Re: Berserk voice acting
Post by: IV on September 29, 2004, 09:00:45 AM
Ok, I can say that is what I would expect for guts, but Casca, My god is she scary.   :o
Title: Re: Berserk voice acting
Post by: KuraiDragoon on September 29, 2004, 09:57:04 AM
Yeah Guts' VA looks exactly like I'd think he would.. Casca's kinda creepin me out.

..and I really do wanna see what Kevin Collins looks like... because he's the fucking man.
Title: Re: Berserk voice acting
Post by: Sven Viking on September 29, 2004, 02:21:46 PM
Yeah that is certainly a factor but then again, I saw Akira, Ninja scroll and Ghost in the shell several times before I started appreciating the original Japanese dub.

True, many English dubs are so truly awful it's painful to listen to them under any circumstances (not talking specifically about Akira/Ninja Scroll/GITS... I've only heard the Japanese for the first two, anyway).
Title: Re: Berserk voice acting
Post by: KuraiDragoon on September 29, 2004, 07:50:11 PM
Yeah some english dubs.. whether I've heard them before the japanese version or not, deserve to be heard by no one.
Title: Re: Berserk voice acting
Post by: C on September 29, 2004, 11:47:36 PM
i found him!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


(http://www.10-4.kingswolf.com/kevin_collins_griffith.jpg)


what the hell do you think about that?!?!

 - c  8)
Title: Re: Berserk voice acting
Post by: Jon Schaffer on September 30, 2004, 01:14:56 AM
*runs away screaming* ;D

It doesn't surprise me.
Title: Re: Berserk voice acting
Post by: C on September 30, 2004, 01:24:03 AM
why not?  ???

 - c
Title: Re: Berserk voice acting
Post by: DemonX on September 30, 2004, 02:54:04 AM
Wow, Guts voice acter looks so much like guts himself... He could play guts in teh movie :-X.


OMFG WTF GRIFFITHIS A FUCKING OMFG OLD MAN WTF AHHHHHGHH!~!!!
Title: Re: Berserk voice acting
Post by: KuraiDragoon on September 30, 2004, 04:03:13 AM
Oh dear Lord...
Title: Re: Berserk voice acting
Post by: Opie on September 30, 2004, 05:25:09 AM
Same thing in Legacy of Kain. Raziel, a rather young sounding Vampire,  is voiced by a rather old man. Weird.
Title: Re: Berserk voice acting
Post by: IV on September 30, 2004, 11:52:53 PM
WOW! :o
Hard to think of him as Griffith, He kinda looks like William Shatner.
Now we know who really sang "I'm just a girl who can't say 'No'"
Title: Re: Berserk voice acting
Post by: Jon Schaffer on October 01, 2004, 12:23:09 AM
When you think about it, it makes since. A guy in his 20's wouldn't be singing on outtakes. Unless he is queer.

Since someone mentioned Legacy of Kain, I'm not sure, but doesn't that Elder God (The enormous talking eye) sound like the same voice actor as the opening narrator ("In this world...")?   I was wrong, Tony Jay was not the narrator.
Title: Re: Berserk voice acting
Post by: Sparnage on October 01, 2004, 02:34:34 AM
You're all shallow, so Guts's voice looked more like him than Griffiths, big deal. From what I saw of the outtakes Guts didn't seem overly bright to me.

Casca's voice does look a bit weird, but i'd do her anyway to be honest.
Title: Re: Berserk voice acting
Post by: KuraiDragoon on October 01, 2004, 04:33:16 AM
When you think about it, it makes since. A guy in his 20's wouldn't be singing on outtakes. Unless he is queer.

And a guy in his 20's certainly wouldn't be singing Whitney Houston songs on outtakes. But then again.. I wouldnt think a guy in his late 50's would be singing "Im just a girl who cant say no" and a little mermaid song parody on outtakes.
Title: Re: Berserk voice acting
Post by: Denial on October 01, 2004, 06:34:30 PM
VAs have their own voice training techniques. I'm sure singing in-character is a pretty common one. Casca's VA actually looks pretty similar to Casca, at least, IMO, in terms of general body structure and the general boyish sort of femininity. Guts' VA and Casca's VA are pretty much reading in their normal voices (can you imagine walking around all day sounding like Guts? Hahaha!) Griffith's guy actually knows how to sound like other people.
Title: Re: Berserk voice acting
Post by: KuraiDragoon on October 02, 2004, 05:54:37 AM
Yeah kind of.. but Kevin Collins being Griffith and Kevin Collins being Kevin Collins dont sound all that different to me.. from what Ive heard anyway.
Title: Re: Berserk voice acting
Post by: C on October 03, 2004, 01:48:15 AM
if you dont think hes attractive,

do you think he should not have done griffiths voice? ???

i just posted his pic to share :(,

guess that taught me a lesson  :-X

 - c
Title: Re: Berserk voice acting
Post by: IV on October 03, 2004, 06:26:09 AM
Sorry c, if I sounded negitive. ;)
I didn't mean to, it was only trying to express my shock and disbelief that that was the man, since he looked like Shatner in the middle aged way. ;D
And although I thought he looked weird, his voice was great and that's what's important.  But I still think it is funny that it is he who sang those funny songs. ;D
Please do not feel discouraged to share, what people say is the fun of it. :)
Title: Re: Berserk voice acting
Post by: KuraiDragoon on October 04, 2004, 01:40:55 AM
So how positivly sure are you that that's Griffith's VA?
Title: Re: Berserk voice acting
Post by: C on October 04, 2004, 02:05:59 AM
on the site it said berserk and thief 3, or 4,

whichever one was just released,

i pushed save as and their it is,

i can definitely see that as his voice,

it just looks right to me  :)

 - c
Title: Re: Berserk voice acting
Post by: DemonX on October 04, 2004, 03:38:24 AM

Casca's voice does look a bit weird, but i'd do her anyway to be honest.

Have you no shame? Could you have not said anything at all?!

if you dont think hes attractive,

do you think he should not have done griffiths voice? ???

i just posted his pic to share :(,

guess that taught me a lesson  :-X

 - c

Heh dont feel so down, girls who work on phone-sex hotlines are usually ugly ass hos.
Title: Re: Berserk voice acting
Post by: Sparnage on October 04, 2004, 06:11:11 AM


Have you no shame? Could you have not said anything at all?!

Why? She isn't repulsive or anything.
Title: Re: Berserk voice acting
Post by: IV on October 04, 2004, 06:20:40 AM
Her eyes are haunting, almost ghost like. :)

But not repulsive, just kinda creepy. ;D
Title: Re: Berserk voice acting
Post by: KuraiDragoon on October 04, 2004, 08:33:47 PM
Eh I'd do her too.
Title: Re: Berserk voice acting
Post by: Sparnage on October 05, 2004, 11:57:28 AM
Her eyes are haunting, almost ghost like. :)

But not repulsive, just kinda creepy. ;D


AND THAT TURNS ME ON, MUAHAHAHAHAHA!!!
Title: Re: Berserk voice acting
Post by: DemonX on October 05, 2004, 08:21:45 PM


AND THAT TURNS ME ON, MUAHAHAHAHAHA!!!

Austrailiens...
Title: Re: Berserk voice acting
Post by: Gatsu88 on November 17, 2004, 09:54:55 AM
One voice that really botherd me was Zodd's (japanese). 

 
I think the japanese voice actors are better than the english. But the english are good too. Nobutoshi "Canna" Hayashi is great for Guts  :D! Zodd's seiyuu is great too :), the same as Shenlong in Dragonball, DBZ ^_^
Title: Re: Berserk voice acting
Post by: Eddie on November 17, 2004, 10:11:09 PM
Same thing in Legacy of Kain. Raziel, a rather young sounding Vampire,  is voiced by a rather old man. Weird.
Raziel's pretty old compared to Michael Bell (his vocal actor) :P, anyway could anyone other than Michael Bell pull off that well spoken yet defiant tone?
Title: Re: Berserk voice acting
Post by: dwarfkicker on November 25, 2004, 05:17:39 PM
Somebody should look for a pic of the english VA for Zodd. 
Title: Re: Berserk voice acting
Post by: Yukimura on November 26, 2004, 01:52:48 AM
Well J. David Brimmer is the voice of Zodd the Immortal, but i cant find any pictures. well He Played in:
Amon Saga as Gaius
Assemble Insert as Hattori
Berserk as Zodd the Immortal
Boogiepop Phantom as Officer Morita
Irresponsible Captain Tylor as Lt. Makato Yamamoto
Jewel BEM Hunter Lime  as Doc
Now and Then, Here and There as Drillmaster
Slayers Try  as Almayce; Sailor
Space Travelers  as Crush Bomber
Title: Re: Berserk voice acting
Post by: Darth on April 23, 2005, 11:23:30 PM
Ok i just watched more than half of the series in Japanese. and i have to admit that i still like the English version more. they just seem to fit the charters better. i am by no means saying that i disliked the Japanese VA. i just like the English ones more. and the girl that was Casca's VA was not that bad. i think her voice fit perfectly along with the rest.

and IF or (please god)When they make a second season i hope they still use the same voice actors. i really have to give credit where it is due.

sorry but i had to revive this thread i have been wanting to for quite some time ;D
Title: Re: Berserk voice acting
Post by: Maiku on April 25, 2005, 12:45:58 AM
BAH to most of you, Japanese voice acting all the way. Any english voice over I have seen isn't necessarily always crap, but it always takes away part of the general Anime atmosphere and culture that was originally created.

Anime is Japanese, so let it remain the way it was created without westerners fucking with it any more than is needed. What are you all semi illiterate or something? Subtitles move too fast?


Exactly
Title: Re: Berserk voice acting
Post by: Walter on April 25, 2005, 01:58:11 PM
BAH to most of you, Japanese voice acting all the way. Any english voice over I have seen isn't necessarily always crap, but it always takes away part of the general Anime atmosphere and culture that was originally created.

Anime is Japanese, so let it remain the way it was created without westerners fucking with it any more than is needed. What are you all semi illiterate or something? Subtitles move too fast?

Hear hear
Title: Re: Berserk voice acting
Post by: Darth on April 25, 2005, 08:04:57 PM
Exactly
Hear hear
ok i guess i have to reply to both of you guys with this quote  8)
it really depends on what you saw first. Once your mind hears a character talking.. it notes that as being the voice of the character.. so then hearing it differently wouldn't seem right to you.
i think that its true. when i watch the anime in Japanese it just seems to be missing something. and its the American voice actors that i grew so accustomed to. the Japanese voice actors were good but in my opinion they were not as good as the English voice actors.

and think about this. if they do make a second season anytime soon. the old Japanese voice actors might not be the same. i mean i have not done any research on imdb or google to see what the old voice actors are up to. but they might be diffrent. it was made so long ago they might not be working as voice actors anymore. so they might have completely diffrent voices,and since the English one's are a little over a year and a half ago. they're still doing the same thing(from what i have read). so you'll hear them in a second season(if it ever happens)

and now when ever i read the manga i have the English VA, voices set as they're actual voices. i don't know if you guys picture the charters sounding like the Japanese voice actors?
Title: Re: Berserk voice acting
Post by: Walter on April 25, 2005, 08:21:16 PM
My Guts has a deeper voice  8)
Title: Re: Berserk voice acting
Post by: Aazealh on April 25, 2005, 08:25:50 PM
if they do make a second season anytime soon.

Hahaha. If.

the old Japanese voice actors might not be the same.

They're the same in the PS2 game though.

PS:
in my opinion they were not as good as the English voice actors.

Your opinion sucks! ;D
Title: Re: Berserk voice acting
Post by: Darth on April 25, 2005, 08:32:46 PM
Hahaha. If.
i know. its actually quite sad how i keep wishing for one lol.
They're the same in the PS2 game though.
no shit dude :o. i did not even know that. thats awsome that they used them. i really have to get the game!
PS:
Your opinion sucks! ;D
horrible lol ;D

oh yeah i forgot to add the english voice actors for Berserk RULE!!!!!! lol

*EDIT*
My Guts has a deeper voice 8)
My Guts sounds cooler 8)
Title: Re: Berserk voice acting
Post by: BiQ-- on April 25, 2005, 08:39:48 PM
and think about this. if they do make a second season anytime soon. the old Japanese voice actors might not be the same. i mean i have not done any research on imdb or google to see what the old voice actors are up to. but they might be diffrent. it was made so long ago they might not be working as voice actors anymore.

Well, most of the Japanese voice actors for the PS2 game were the same (when applicable, of course) as in anime... Guts, Casca, Griffith, Zodd, Judeau, Corcus, Pippin, at least. It's 00:42 AM where I'm living and I'm tired so please forgive me if I missed anyone who appears both in anime and game... And the PS2 game was newer than the anime. Oh, the voices were still the same, at least sufficiently so.

About the whole debacle, well, I just about never watch my anime dubbed. Kind of a habit, I guess. Doesn't really matter nowadays, since with dvd's we can have best of both worlds and anime companies seem to understand the point of purist fans by now. That being said, I checked the Berserk dub one day and found out that in the case of Berserk they seemed to be able to pull it off somewhat well.

But I still watch it with Japanese audio, thank you.  ;)

... damn. Aazealh got there (about PS2 game) first. That teaches me to write too long posts. :P
Title: Re: Berserk voice acting
Post by: C on April 25, 2005, 09:07:57 PM
Well, like I said before, I enjoy the English voice actors better. It matches the whole European setting. The voices are good for the Japanese at times, but other times I just can't see the characters, whether it be Guts, Griffith, or whoever sounding like that. On the opposite end, the English acting in Hellsing is ok, but the Japanese voices are soooo much better. I suppose my only really dislike of the Japanese voices in Berserk, is that it just doesn't match. Imagine watching Berserk in spanish, not that spanish is bad, it just wouldnt match. If the characters were Japanese, I would watch the Japanes voice in subtitiles hands down. I guess I just like the more realistic things myself, I know everyone doesn't, but to each his own.  ;D

 - C
Title: Re: Berserk voice acting
Post by: Darth on April 25, 2005, 09:56:29 PM
Well, like I said before, I enjoy the English voice actors better. It matches the whole European setting.
i guess that could add to my reason for liking the English VA more.

Title: Re: Berserk voice acting
Post by: mahlernut on April 25, 2005, 10:24:32 PM
Well, like I said before, I enjoy the English voice actors better. It matches the whole European setting.

 - C

This is particularly amusing when one considers what portion of Europe speaks English natively. 

Of course, I've always loved the whole sub/dub debate, and wish people would leave it at "I like being able to understand what's being said without having to read it," cause its a reasonable point.  Anything beyond that, though, and you're deciding that the only thing of any importance to what you're watching is the original animation (or, in the case of live film, the image originally captured on screen).  Somehow, the direction of the creators, the contribution of the original actors (which, at best, are being aped by the dub cast and, at worst, being ignored), and on a more sophisticated level, the absolutely inevitable cultural contribution of the original creator and the language in which the work was created.  Miura isn't giving us some sort of hack-rate translation of a story that he should be writing in English...or is the translation that Dark Horse is issuing more "authentic" to the milieu as well, and thus preferable (even for those who can read the original) to what Miura wrote?  Its an inconsistent argument otherwise...   
Title: Re: Berserk voice acting
Post by: C on April 25, 2005, 10:44:15 PM
Quote
mahlernut     
  Its an inconsistent argument otherwise...   

I agree. There isn't really a certain part of Europe the story takes place in. It doesn't even take place in Europe. Just based on the settings it looks like a Europe type of place, and the characters faces seem to go along, so I just see English as the language. You are correct also, it is just a person's own personal view. Listen to what you like I say!  :-*

 - C
Title: Re: Berserk voice acting
Post by: Gaddes on October 11, 2005, 11:05:35 PM
I hate to bring back such an old topic but I knew there was something on the berserk dub. alright here's what I think.

The Good: Marc Diraison as Guts. He pretty much nailed this role from the beginning. Kevin Collins as Griffith, he was perfect from the get go. Mike Pollock as Adon, likewise perfect. He was just what I though he would sound like. also David J Brimmer as Odd was rocking as well. John Avner as Void was really good to.

The Bad: ouch where to start. well Carolyn Elizabeth as Casca was just painful. She made casca sound way to bitchy, and she her voice made casca sound like she was nagging everyone she talked to. Alot of Background characters and background voices sounded down right goofy. I think I heard this classic cheeze o' line "Their everywhere man" in a sufer accent. also some rather silly dialog like Carcus's "Dear god spare our soul." while the japanese script wasn't the best, the dub script just sounded really goofy at times.

whew. also the studio that dubbed it is called "NYAV Post a really overrated studio.
Title: Re: Berserk voice acting
Post by: Alucalb on October 12, 2005, 12:51:35 AM
Personally, I was really disappointed with the Berserk dub. The dubbing in the first episode was embarrassing, and less than five minutes into the next ep I switched back to the Japanese track. The dub in the Dreamcast game was a bit cheesy, but at least most of the voices fit the characters, IMO. But to those who liked the dub, more power to ya.

Since someone mentioned Legacy of Kain, I'm not sure, but doesn't that Elder God (The enormous talking eye) sound like the same voice actor as the opening narrator ("In this world...")?   I was wrong, Tony Jay was not the narrator.

I thought Balzac from the DC game was voiced by Tony Jay, but then I found out it was Earl Boen, a.k.a. Doctor Silberman from the Terminator movies. XD
Title: Re: Berserk voice acting
Post by: Rhombaad on October 12, 2005, 01:14:28 AM
I thought Balzac from the DC game was voiced by Tony Jay, but then I found out it was Earl Boen, a.k.a. Doctor Silberman from the Terminator movies. XD
Hehe, for some reason I never really pictured him as a voice actor for video games (much less for a Berserk game). :void:
Title: Re: Berserk voice acting
Post by: Alucalb on October 12, 2005, 03:40:52 AM
Guts: "EEEAAARRRGH! [slaughters Balzac's troops left and right]"

Balzac: [looks at the camera] "Heh, model citizen."
Title: Re: Berserk voice acting
Post by: Rhombaad on October 12, 2005, 04:15:54 AM
Guts: "EEEAAARRRGH! [slaughters Balzac's troops left and right]"

Balzac: [looks at the camera] "Heh, model citizen."
Haha XD
Title: Re: Berserk voice acting
Post by: Aazealh on October 12, 2005, 10:57:39 AM
Really, Guts and Griffith's voices in the US dub suck. They're nauseating. I don't know how you guys can like them.

I thought Balzac from the DC game was voiced by Tony Jay, but then I found out it was Earl Boen, a.k.a. Doctor Silberman from the Terminator movies. XD

That guy kicks ass. :guts:
Title: Re: Berserk voice acting
Post by: CnC on October 12, 2005, 11:47:12 AM
can't say I ever really watched an entire dubbed episode, but the some of the bloopers on those dvds were pretty funny.
Title: Re: Berserk voice acting
Post by: Rhombaad on October 12, 2005, 01:55:44 PM
can't say I ever really watched an entire dubbed episode, but the some of the bloopers on those dvds were pretty funny.
Same here and I can't stand Guts' voice.  It sounds okay (kinda) but the guy can't act at all (kinda goes without saying though :beast:).
Title: Re: Berserk voice acting
Post by: EndlessSky on October 12, 2005, 05:58:13 PM
Yea, the outtakes were pretty funny... Griffith singing... and Guts talking and acting like Arnold Schwarzenegger was great ( GET TO THE CHOOOPPPERRRRR!), I think both versions are pretty good, I mean Griffiths voice in english fits very well, and it fits better too, instead of having them speaking Japanese in a Western/European setting doesn't seem as right as English but in terms of quality I would say the Japanese version is a bit better. Although I have not watched much of the series in Japanese.
Title: Re: Berserk voice acting
Post by: Gaddes on October 12, 2005, 10:27:01 PM
also forgot to add. the dreamcast game had a great cast. also saying that japan is the god of all voice acting is rather foolish. if you can't speak Japanese fluently and able to understand when they are actually emoting then making statements like that is just silly. oh well to each his own but dubbing has improved vastly over the years (I work for a website dealing with dubs) so berserk is simply an average dub. whew sorry for ranting.
Title: Re: Berserk voice acting
Post by: CnC on October 12, 2005, 10:44:41 PM
my biggest dissapointment with the DC game is that I couldn't turn off the dub and  put in japanese w/ subtitles.  If only for the sake of hearing the original Guts' voice.
Title: Re: Berserk voice acting
Post by: Aazealh on October 12, 2005, 10:51:14 PM
also saying that japan is the god of all voice acting is rather foolish.

Their voice actors are the best, what's foolish is refusing to admit it IMO. They're generally better than English voice actors, French voice actors, Italian voice actors, German voice actors. I've yet to see a non-Japanese voice actor that's not an experienced professional actor already matching the talent of some of them. And anybody taking the Berserk anime as an example instantly loses all credibility to me, too. :SK:
Title: Re: Berserk voice acting
Post by: Darth on October 13, 2005, 01:08:27 AM
Their voice actors are the best, what's foolish is refusing to admit it IMO. They're generally better than English voice actors, French voice actors, Italian voice actors, German voice actors. I've yet to see a non-Japanese voice actor that's not an experienced professional actor already matching the talent of some of them. And anybody taking the Berserk anime as an example instantly loses all credibility to me, too. :SK:
thats a totally unfair thing to say about any voice actor. IMO i think the English voice actors are far Superior in almost every aspect when it comes to the Berserk anime, and quite a few others i might add, such as Bastard,Samurai X, S-cry, etc.... this goes back to the theory of, "what language was the first you watched the entire series in?"

and yes Aazealh i remember
Your opinion sucks! ;D
well i don't think so, and i have to say that i will just base it on the American voice actors for Berserk in this particular instance and say this....
oh yeah i forgot to add the english voice actors for Berserk RULE!!!!!! lol
Title: Re: Berserk voice acting
Post by: Gaddes on October 13, 2005, 01:26:08 AM
thats a totally unfair thing to say about any voice actor. IMO i think the English voice actors are far Superior in almost every aspect when it comes to the Berserk anime, and quite a few others i might add, such as Bastard,Samurai X, S-cry, etc.... this goes back to the theory of, "what language was the first you watched the entire series in?"

and yes Aazealh i rememberwell i don't think so, and i have to say that i will just base it on the American voice actors for Berserk in this particular instance and say this....

agreed. also I though Kenshin T.V, Gungrave, Trigun (no contest, dub owns), and many others. It's nice to see another dub fan.
Title: Re: Berserk voice acting
Post by: Aazealh on October 13, 2005, 12:02:52 PM
thats a totally unfair thing to say about any voice actor. IMO i think the English voice actors are far Superior in almost every aspect when it comes to the Berserk anime

Like I said, you just have no credibility to me. The language you first watched the series in doesn't change this, you just can't make abstraction of your personal background when judging a dub. Fair? Don't make me laugh, you're the one that isn't fair here. I exert myself to be honest and factual. You on the contrary are just trying to be provocative here, which results in ridiculous non-arguments.

I'm sure you prefer English dubs to any other language, be it dubbing or the original actors' voices, whatever the language may be, in any situation. It really isn't hard to come to the conclusion that your opinion sucks pretty bad.
Title: Re: Berserk voice acting
Post by: Darth on October 13, 2005, 01:05:08 PM
Like I said, you just have no credibility to me.
why? elaborate more please
The language you first watched the series in doesn't change this
i think it does make a world of difference, because a specific voice gets assigned to a specific character(if you would like me to give a deeper explanation on this point just ask). And, if i was to have watched the anime in Japanese then the Japanese voice actors would be recognized as the characters voices, and nothing else.
you just can't make abstraction of your personal background when judging a dub. Fair?
well isn't that exactly what you are doing? i have seen a very large amount of anime and i think i could use myself as a resource, just as you use yourself as one.
you're the one that isn't fair here. I exert myself to be honest and factual.
as do i
You on the contrary are just trying to be provocative here, which results in ridiculous non-arguments.
provocative in what way? and i was not the one who started this thread, so this is not my ridiculous "non-argument". It is my opinion on the Berserk voice actors, and i am voicing that opinion, i truly like the berserk voice actors more, which brings me to my next point.

I'm sure you prefer English dubs to any other language, be it dubbing or the original actors' voices, whatever the language may be, in any situation. It really isn't hard to come to the conclusion that your opinion sucks pretty bad.
well guess what your 100% wrong ;) i actually enjoy a vast amount of anime spoken in Japanese such as Akira, Saiyuki Reload, etc.... I really enjoy Japanese voice acting when it comes to certain things and i actually prefer it when it comes to others, such as old Samurai movies like "The 47 Ronin" (and if you would like a long list of old samurai flicks, i will happily give them) anyway as i digress, i don't think my opinion sucks, it just makes me come to the conclusion that yours does 8)
Title: Re: Berserk voice acting
Post by: Aazealh on October 13, 2005, 01:29:38 PM
why? elaborate more please

Just re-read what I said about it, what is there to add? The US voice actors for the Berserk anime don't act well. The tones they use don't fit the characters either as far as I can say. If you listen to both dubs objectively, I don't see how you can refute this.

You're telling me that this (http://aazealh.net/Divers/Griffgross.wav) is good voice acting. Better than the original version. That's your opinion, and it's good for you if you like it, but don't come and tell me it's superior to anything.

i think it does make a world of difference, because a specific voice gets assigned to a specific character(if you would like me to give a deeper explanation on this point just ask). And, if i was to have watched the anime in Japanese then the Japanese voice actors would be recognized as the characters voices, and nothing else.

Like I said, your problem is just that you can't make abstraction of stuff like this. Deeper explanation? Voice being assigned to a specific character? Don't make me laugh. Right now you're totally killing your argumentation. So the only reason you prefer the US dub is because you heard it first? It means that any dub you hear first becomes your favorite regardless of its quality, really a great point you have here dude. I don't think you need to say anything else, you summed it all up.

well isn't that exactly what you are doing? i have seen a very large amount of anime and i think i could use myself as a resource, just as you use yourself as one.

No it's obviously not what I'm doing. And you're everything but a reference to me after your last statement.

provocative in what way? and i was not the one who started this thread, so this is not my ridiculous "non-argument". It is my opinion on the Berserk voice actors, and i am voicing that opinion, i truly like the berserk voice actors more

Provocative in being bold and saying the exact opposite of what I said while not having much of a point, digging a months old quote to uselessly reply to it. And you don't have any argument, that's what I referred to, not the thread itself. You like the voice actors more because you heard their voices first, that doesn't justify you saying the dub is superior to the original one when you yourself admit that you can't judge the acting since once the voices get "assigned" to characters in your mind it's for good.

I really enjoy Japanese voice acting when it comes to certain things and i actually prefer it when it comes to others

And what are your criterias for what you like and what you don't? When you hear it first basically, that's the funny part.

i don't think my opinion sucks, it just makes me come to the conclusion that yours does 8)

Yeah well, you fail I think. No credibility like I said. I respect your opinion about what you like and what you don't, but don't come and tell me that the US Berserk dub is "superior in almost every aspect".
Title: Re: Berserk voice acting
Post by: Darth on October 13, 2005, 03:04:06 PM
Just re-read what I said about it, what is there to add? The US voice actors for the Berserk anime don't act well. The tones they use don't fit the characters either as far as I can say. If you listen to both dubs objectively, I don't see how you can refute this.
you see thats exactly why i am disagreeing with you. i think the English voice actors suit the anime better. and, that can be due to the fact the i have watched the anime in English first. Also i have watched Berserk in both English and in Japanese, maybe not objectively, but i have watched both. like i said in my OPINION i believe the voice acting done in the Berserk anime to be better in English. eventhough that in itself is an objective statement. you yourself have made many. so if you are going to argue on the bassis of your opinion verses my opinion, no one will win this debate, and the thread should be considered  completely useless.

and yes eventhough i due value your opinion, and i know you really dislike it for some reason, i do enjoy
this (http://aazealh.net/Divers/Griffgross.wav)
and maybe i should watch the anime completely objectively in both languages, and maybe you might have to come to the realization that you might be too objective on this topic for some reason.

and as for me saying that the English voice acting in berserk is "Superior in every aspect", how can you change my mind. i find it to be better hence the word Superior. and since we are on the topic of words lets talk about the word opinion

o·pin·ion    ( P )  Pronunciation Key  (-pnyn)
n.
A belief or conclusion held with confidence but not substantiated by positive knowledge or proof: “The world is not run by thought, nor by imagination, but by opinion” (Elizabeth Drew).
A judgment based on special knowledge and given by an expert: a medical opinion.
A judgment or estimation of the merit of a person or thing: has a low opinion of braggarts.
The prevailing view: public opinion.
Law. A formal statement by a court or other adjudicative body of the legal reasons and principles for the conclusions of the court.

Like I said, your problem is just that you can't make abstraction of stuff like this. Deeper explanation? Voice being assigned to a specific character? Don't make me laugh. Right now you're totally killing your argumentation.
well go right ahead and  XD all you like. i am not killing my argument. and the reason being

So the only reason you prefer the US dub is because you heard it first? It means that any dub you hear first becomes your favorite regardless of its quality, really a great point you have here dude. I don't think you need to say anything else, you summed it all up.
yes i have summed it all up. i have not watched the entire series and  payed analytic and objective attention to the diffrent voice actors, which i doubt you  have either, but even in doing such you can not prove a point that has to do with ones tastes. i find the quality to be great.

No it's obviously not what I'm doing. And you're everything but a reference to me after your last statement.
it seems to be exactly what you are doing.. oh wait...
what are you using for reference? is there some type of book,website,television program,movie, magazine or radio show that ultimately makes up your mind for you? i thought not. so maybe you don't use your self as a resource while voicing your ideas on a certain subject ::)
(and yes i am being facetious)


Provocative in being bold and saying the exact opposite of what I said while not having much of a point, digging a months old quote to uselessly reply to it. And you don't have any argument, that's what I referred to, not the thread itself. You like the voice actors more because you heard their voices first, that doesn't justify you saying the dub is superior to the original one when you yourself admit that you can't judge the acting since once the voices get "assigned" to characters in your mind it's for good.
maybe your taking what i said in an incorrect manner so let me rephrase what i said for you......

me like English voice actors for berserk anime.

furthermore me also believe that you have slight bias because you might have watched the anime in Japanese first.

now i will stop speaking like a person that has no grip on the English language.


And what are your criterias for what you like and what you don't?
well ill give you a little clue on what its not

When you hear it first basically, that's the funny part.

it has to do what i find appealing about the specific item. in this case it is the berserk anime. i find the story line to be amazing, eventhough the manga is far superior(and i know you'll even agree with me on this) the art work to be beautiful. the music to be amazing. and(i know your going to love this) the English voice actors to be great.


Yeah well, you fail I think. No credibility like I said. I respect your opinion about what you like and what you don't, but don't come and tell me that the US Berserk dub is "superior in almost every aspect".
i do not fail. and it should not take away from my credibility, but you just contradicted yourself in that statement. if you respect my opinion why should i not be allowed to say "i believe the English dubs to be superior in every way" on the other hand i really do respect your opinion and since i do watch the anime annually i will watch it completely in Japanese and be objective of the English VA. and then i will be very honest, and voice my opinion ;)

PS. thanks for keeping these old emoticons
Title: Re: Berserk voice acting
Post by: Aazealh on October 13, 2005, 03:59:59 PM
Writing so much to say so little... Next time just make it a paragraph please.

that can be due to the fact the i have watched the anime in English first. Also i have watched Berserk in both English and in Japanese, maybe not objectively, but i have watched both. like i said in my OPINION

Yeah, your opinion is based on the fact you watched the show in English first. That's fine with me, but don't try to make it pass for something it isn't, i.e. a serious and objective analysis based on distinct criterias. English is your native language too, you could just say so and spare us both the time. I don't think the US dub comes off as genuine, and the way they deliver their lines doesn't convince me. What do you like in it, besides the fact it's in English? We're talking about the voice acting here, so tell me. Like you'd tell me why Jack Nicholson is a better actor than Jason Biggs (if you don't think it's the opposite of course).

i believe the voice acting done in the Berserk anime to be better in English. eventhough that in itself is an objective statement.

You mean subjective? Just say that you like it better because it's in English. Because it's your native language. That's understandable.

you yourself have made many. so if you are going to argue on the bassis of your opinion verses my opinion, no one will win this debate, and the thread should be considered  completely useless.

Oh yeah, of course we're entitled to our opinions, that's why I said your response was provocative and filled with non-arguments. There's no debate here, and the thread itself is just about people saying what they like or not. As I told you before, I'm just commenting on their acting ability here, and whatever the language itself is doesn't affect me much for this.

i do enjoy and maybe i should watch the anime completely objectively in both languages, and maybe you might have to come to the realization that you might be too objective on this topic for some reason.

I don't think anything would make me reconsider my opinion about it, and I don't think you can be too objective on a topic such as this one. And yeah, maybe you should watch the anime completely in both languages...

as for me saying that the English voice acting in berserk is "Superior in every aspect", how can you change my mind.

By repeating it until it's buried in your thick skull of course. :troll: And just an advice: don't try to quote word definitions to people if you don't spell check your posts. That's also about credibility.

yes i have summed it all up. i have not watched the entire series and  payed analytic and objective attention to the diffrent voice actors

And it took you one hour and a half to post just to say that? Well, I did watch it like that, whether you doubt it or not isn't my concern.

it seems to be exactly what you are doing..

You didn't understand what I said, right?

what are you using for reference?

Well myself of course, as opposed to you using yourself as a reference, which is what you were saying in the first place. Why, should I use you as a reference when you proudly claim not to have paid attention to what we're talking about?

maybe your taking what i said in an incorrect manner so let me rephrase what i said for you......

Nah, it's just that you don't express yourself correctly. But don't worry, I can still understand you nevertheless.

now i will stop speaking like a person that has no grip on the English language.

Good idea, I wish you'd have done that before you posted in this thread in the first place though. :troll:

it has to do what i find appealing about the specific item. in this case it is the berserk anime. i find the story line to be amazing, eventhough the manga is far superior(and i know you'll even agree with me on this) the art work to be beautiful. the music to be amazing. and(i know your going to love this) the English voice actors to be great.

Artwork in the Berserk anime is far from amazing IMO. Anyway, do you have any point besides repeating that your opinion has the right to exist because it's an opinion?

i do not fail.

Oh yes you do.

you just contradicted yourself in that statement. if you respect my opinion why should i not be allowed to say "i believe the English dubs to be superior in every way"

You can like the US dub better just because it's in English, but you were trying to justify your opinion about superiority of the voice actors in every aspect, so I'd expect you to justify it seriously. Not just by saying that they're superior in your opinion. What's the reason they are? Just say you like it more because it's in your native language and it'll be fine. But if you're talking about every aspect, I want a detailed analysis, yes. Take responsibility for what you're saying.

You can't just talk about every way and say that it's based on nothing, it being your opinion, it's just too easy.
Title: Re: Berserk voice acting
Post by: EndlessSky on October 13, 2005, 04:31:12 PM
You have to explain WHY it is your opinion not just because it is your opinion if you are going to argue about it to this degree, but really I think it is all preference, but now you have to ask yourself this IF you could understand Japanese and English fully (meaning without subtitles) and both at the same level which would you think you would like better?
Title: Re: Berserk voice acting
Post by: Aazealh on October 13, 2005, 04:33:42 PM
You have to explain WHY it is your opinion not just because it is your opinion if you are going to argue about it to this degree, but really I think it is all preference, but now you have to ask yourself this IF you could understand Japanese and English fully (meaning without subtitles) and both at the same level which would you think you would like better?

Exactly Zelz, you did a better job at being concise than me in this case. :guts:
Title: Re: Berserk voice acting
Post by: Darth on October 13, 2005, 05:12:54 PM
Yeah, your opinion is based on the fact you watched the show in English first. That's fine with me, but don't try to make it pass for something it isn't, i.e. a serious and objective analysis based on distinct criterias.You mean subjective? Just say that you like it better because it's in English. Because it's your native language. That's understandable.
i never tried to make it seem that i made a objective or subjective analysis based on any distinct criteria.

for you to repeatedly say, and for you to think the reason why i chose the English voice actors simply because my of native language is a ridiculous assumption. and, completely untrue i might add.


And it took you one hour and a half to post just to say that? Well, I did watch it like that, whether you doubt it or not isn't my concern.
it took you about an hour :troll:

Well myself of course, as opposed to you using yourself as a reference, which is what you were saying in the first place. Why, should I use you as a reference when you proudly claim not to have paid attention to what we're talking about?

Nah, it's just that you don't express yourself correctly. But don't worry, I can still understand you nevertheless.

Good idea, I wish you'd have done that before you posted in this thread in the first place though. :troll:

Artwork in the Berserk anime is far from amazing IMO. Anyway, do you have any point besides repeating that your opinion has the right to exist because it's an opinion?

Oh yes you do.

You can like the US dub better just because it's in English, but you were trying to justify your opinion about superiority of the voice actors in every aspect, so I'd expect you to justify it seriously. Not just by saying that they're superior in your opinion. What's the reason they are? Just say you like it more because it's in your native language and it'll be fine. But if you're talking about every aspect, I want a detailed analysis, yes. Take responsibility for what you're saying.

You can't just talk about every way and say that it's based on nothing, it being your opinion, it's just too easy.

well after reading all of this all i have to say is this debate is completely pointless unless i broke down every single voice actor in both English & Japanese languages. which i will not do because it is just a matter of preference like Zelz has said. i think that this debate has no more meaning. now we can go back to more pressing topics such as the next episode of berserk and when book number 30 will be realeased :guts: or even the berserk porn contest has more charm than this debate lmao.
Title: Re: Berserk voice acting
Post by: CnC on October 13, 2005, 05:28:20 PM
You guys tear me apart inside when you fight  :judo:


japanese actors rule!!
Title: Re: Berserk voice acting
Post by: Aazealh on October 13, 2005, 05:35:41 PM
for you to repeatedly say, and for you to think the reason why i chose the English voice actors simply because my of native language is a ridiculous assumption. and, completely untrue i might add.

Well then what is it? I was merely providing you with an easy escape route, as opposed to "It's superior because I heard it first", which is what is ridiculous here.

it took you about an hour :troll:

I was in the chatroom for 20 minutes in your and CnC's company, then I went to eat, then I responded. You however were replying not a minute after I had posted, it shows in the Who's Online feature. If you just go by the time between two posts, I could say it took you 1h15 to write the last one... Whatever, and I replied to most of your long winded post in detail too, with proper spelling as a bonus. My point simply was that your post didn't add anything to the discussion even when you took more than an hour to write it, it's still true, and it doesn't mean I'm any better for wasting my time on this.

well after reading all of this all i have to say is this debate is completely pointless unless i broke down every single voice actor in both English & Japanese languages.

Just those from the Berserk anime would suffice. I guess that means you won't watch both versions attentively nor try to back up your affirmations. How convenient. But I can only agree about the uselessness.

now we can go back to more pressing topics such as the next episode of berserk and when book number 30 will be realeased :guts: or even the berserk porn contest has more charm than this debate lmao.

Spend some time reading the copy of volume 29 I'm sure you've bought already, then we'll talk about volume 30 (release: first semester 2006). :miura:
Title: Re: Berserk voice acting
Post by: Gaddes on October 13, 2005, 07:24:35 PM
sorry about bring back touchy subject. oh well lets just let it go and like what we like. ^^ again sorry about bring such an old topic back up.
Title: Re: Berserk voice acting
Post by: Aazealh on October 13, 2005, 07:31:07 PM
sorry about bring back touchy subject. oh well lets just let it go and like what we like. ^^

Don't worry, it's no big deal. Heated discussions bring life to a forum. :guts:
Title: Re: Berserk voice acting
Post by: Opie on October 13, 2005, 10:31:43 PM
I have to say the only voice I liked in the Dub was Griffiths, he had that aloof distant thing going on pretty tight and his delivery of some of the lines gave me the chills.

Title: Re: Berserk voice acting
Post by: EndlessSky on October 14, 2005, 01:18:48 AM
Yea, and I defiantly like Guts voice in Japanese way better than English in the first episode, especially when he is up against the Snake Baron. Other than Griffith's another voice I really like in the English version is Adon.
Title: Re: Berserk voice acting
Post by: Rhombaad on October 14, 2005, 01:30:05 AM
Other than Griffith's another voice I really like in the English version is Adon.
From listening to the outtakes, in the English dub, Adon's voice and Guts' voice sound like their done by the same guy.
Title: Re: Berserk voice acting
Post by: Darth on October 16, 2005, 11:42:35 PM
Well then what is it? I was merely providing you with an easy escape route, as opposed to "It's superior because I heard it first", which is what is ridiculous here.

Once again it seems as if you are taking things out of context, or just completely misunderstanding what I am saying, what you are trying to do (and failing) is putting words in my mouth. So I will say it once more for you.

I never said it was superior because I seen it in English first. I was merely making the point of there is a possibility of certain people enjoying it in the language they have heard it in first. So I never said “It's superior because I heard it first” you have basically just said that.

I was in the chatroom for 20 minutes in your and CnC's company, then I went to eat, then I responded. You however were replying not a minute after I had posted, it shows in the Who's Online feature. If you just go by the time between two posts, I could say it took you 1h15 to write the last one... Whatever, and I replied to most of your long winded post in detail too, with proper spelling as a bonus. My point simply was that your post didn't add anything to the discussion even when you took more than an hour to write it, it's still true, and it doesn't mean I'm any better for wasting my time on this.
i remember, but i also said that i got caught up doing someting else while i was trying to reply. i believe i even apologized for how long it took me to reply.

what did i spell wrong? i remember using spell check, and the only problem with that is it doesn't recognize "Anime" as a word ???

Just those from the Berserk anime would suffice. I guess that means you won't watch both versions attentively nor try to back up your affirmations. How convenient. But I can only agree about the uselessness.
actually i have been re-watching the anime in Japanese, and i must say i went into it completely looking to have a lot of bad to say about the Japanese VA, and i have to say i don't really have to many complaints. i still have to say i enjoy the English version more. so i ask you this how would you want me to back up my affirmations; i could give you a brief history on the VA's past works if you would like? but then again it would be a matter of opinion :guts:
Spend some time reading the copy of volume 29 I'm sure you've bought already, then we'll talk about volume 30 (release: first semester 2006). :miura:
come on, you cant tell me you don't want the 30th issue already. oh and i know this is off topic but i went to go and pick up an issue of YA for about $4-5 and the last one was sold out? to make matters worse a few of the Japanese books stores are no longer carrying it, which i have no idea why :miura:

sorry about bring back touchy subject. oh well lets just let it go and like what we like. ^^ again sorry about bring such an old topic back up.

its cool dude. Aazealh is right when he says
Heated discussions bring life to a forum. :guts:

Title: Re: Berserk voice acting
Post by: Aazealh on October 17, 2005, 12:14:31 AM
You're pretty persistent.

I never said it was superior because I seen it in English first. I was merely making the point of there is a possibility of certain people enjoying it in the language they have heard it in first. So I never said “It's superior because I heard it first” you have basically just said that.

No, it's not what you said. Really, if someone has to be confused here, it's you. You're the one trying to come back on what you said.

You said:

IMO i think the English voice actors are far Superior in almost every aspect when it comes to the Berserk anime [...] this goes back to the theory of, "what language was the first you watched the entire series in?"

I replied to this saying that the language you first watch the series in doesn't affect the quality of the dub, and shouldn't affect how you are judging it, a perfectly logical assertion, to which you replied:

i think it does make a world of difference, because a specific voice gets assigned to a specific character(if you would like me to give a deeper explanation on this point just ask). And, if i was to have watched the anime in Japanese then the Japanese voice actors would be recognized as the characters voices, and nothing else.

So really, you've got no point here, denial just isn't working. I'm getting tired of your half-assed condescending replies too (misunderstanding? :schierke:), so unless you've got something new to say please just stop with this.

what did i spell wrong? i remember using spell check

What, you want me to make a list? Just look at your posts, really. And the spell checking tool isn't perfect, I wish it could add correct capitalization and punctuation for one. Or spaces, or apostrophes. And the word "versus" isn't spelled "verses", same for "different" and "diffrent", "do" and "due", or "basis" and "bassis". Really, why ask? Do you really want a list? It's not the point, we're not here to teach and learn English.

so i ask you this how would you want me to back up my affirmations; i could give you a brief history on the VA's past works if you would like?

What would their past works show? Nothing at all. Like I said earlier, just do what you would do to describe the difference in acting between Robert De Niro and Seann William Scott. Intonation, pronunciation, delivery of the dialogue, genuineness... You can hardly prefer one thing to another without any reason.

but then again it would be a matter of opinion

Yeah yeah, you've hidden yourself behind your opinion enough already, no need to insist any further. If you had just said you preferred one to the other and that was it, it would have been fine. Now to go as far as to say it's superior in every way, you have to back it up a bit. I think Zelz was clear and concise in summarizing it, so why are you still going on? Get to the point, either elaborate on what you said or come back on it, because responding like this isn't getting us anywhere.

come on, you cant tell me you don't want the 30th issue already.

I'm fine with my volume 29, on which you didn't comment.
Title: Re: Berserk voice acting
Post by: CnC on October 17, 2005, 02:37:31 AM
For every time this topic keeps being brought back up and people make the exact same argument I will kill a really cute puppy...
Title: Re: Berserk voice acting
Post by: Skullgrin140 on January 09, 2006, 05:54:05 PM
Does anyone know where I can get audio clips of the English voices of Berserk? Because I have only ever seen Berserk when I downloaded it and Its subbed
Title: Re: Berserk voice acting
Post by: Walter on January 09, 2006, 06:09:27 PM
Does anyone know where I can get audio clips of the English voices of Berserk? Because I have only ever seen Berserk when I downloaded it and Its subbed
The English DVDs have embedded sound clips for every piece of dialogue.  You should look into it.
Title: Re: Berserk voice acting
Post by: CnC on January 09, 2006, 06:14:31 PM
Does anyone know where I can get audio clips of the English voices of Berserk? Because I have only ever seen Berserk when I downloaded it and Its subbed

Dear god man.  Buy something!
Title: Re: Berserk voice acting
Post by: Skullgrin140 on January 09, 2006, 06:21:07 PM
Dear god man.  Buy something!

Alright calm down :judo:
Title: Re: Berserk voice acting
Post by: Wraith King on January 24, 2006, 01:10:28 AM
Makes sense to watch it in the English version.. i dislike people who make gross generalizations about dubbing but i did find the outtakes amusing..

nana nana nana nana nana.. BATMAN!!
Title: Re: Berserk voice acting
Post by: Walter on January 24, 2006, 03:59:26 AM
Makes sense to watch it in the English version.. i dislike people who make gross generalizations about dubbing but i did find the outtakes amusing..
I didn't think they took the voice acting very seriously in the English dub.  And when they did, the dramatic monologues, Guts' in particular, are heavily over-acted. 

I'm a firm believer that for every language translation, something of the original flavor is lost in the process.  That goes doubly for english voice actors who bring their own bullshit interpretation of the character to the table.

That's not to say I think even the Japanese dub got the voices exactly right.  Guts sounds different in my head, for instance  :guts:
Title: Re: Berserk voice acting
Post by: Rhombaad on January 24, 2006, 04:22:01 AM
Makes sense to watch it in the English version

Actually it makes more sense to watch it in Japanese since that's the language it was intended to be presented in.  I'm not saying you should, I'm just saying that's the language it was meant to be listened to in.  I do, however, agree with you about the outtakes. :serpico:
Title: Re: Berserk voice acting
Post by: Aazealh on January 24, 2006, 08:52:13 AM
Makes sense to watch it in the English version.. i dislike people who make gross generalizations about dubbing but i did find the outtakes amusing..

Well the English dubbing for Berserk has blatant defaults and is overly just not very good, it's not a matter of generalization. The voice actors don't act very well... I mean whatever people like or think isn't the problem here, nobody's going to bring credibility to some of those lines where aside from all the rest they even mispronounce words. I've yet to see anyone successfully arguing against that, and there's a good reason: it's not possible. A beherit isn't a "baylet". Also, why would it make more sense in English than in any other language apart from the fact it's obviously more convenient to watch for English speakers? Or is that what you meant?

Anyway like Walter said, that doesn't mean the Japanese dub itself is perfect, it has its own defaults, but the dialogue, emotions, etc are delivered more much convincingly even from a neutral point of view. The fact the original voice actors got their instructions from the director while the people doing the English dub could just listen to the original and try to emulate it doesn't help either. It's not like they have no merit, but I don't think it can be compared. Now people can have their personal preferences independently from the rest, that's not an issue, but that never constituted a serious point regarding the overall quality of the dubs.
Title: Re: Berserk voice acting
Post by: Gaddes on January 24, 2006, 01:30:09 PM
For every time this topic keeps being brought back up and people make the exact same argument I will kill a really cute puppy...

how many have been killed so far? =P
Title: Re: Berserk voice acting
Post by: CnC on January 24, 2006, 02:18:21 PM
how many have been killed so far? =P

(http://www.ziobro.us/Photos/10%20puppies.JPG)
10 of em so far (since I posted that).

I really should throw that pile of corpses out, its starting to stink.
Title: Re: Berserk voice acting
Post by: jepn30 on January 25, 2006, 08:06:28 AM
http://www.ziobro.us/Photos/10%20puppies.JPG
10 of em so far (since I posted that).

I really should throw that pile of corpses out, its starting to stink.

I have a blender that can actually grind up a whole turkey bones and all. Bring them over and I'll make you a smoothie.
Title: Re: Berserk voice acting
Post by: IsolatioN on January 25, 2006, 06:39:16 PM
A little late to the topic, but just felt I'd add my opinion.

I felt the voice acting was acceptable. By no means was it great, and I've probably heard better, but it could of been worse. Some scenes the voice "acting" was great, but others it felt empty. Overall, I felt it wasn't too bad though.
Title: Re: Berserk voice acting
Post by: Wraith King on January 26, 2006, 12:57:44 AM
why would it make more sense in English than in any other language apart from the fact it's obviously more convenient to watch for English speakers? Or is that what you meant?


Heh im just trying to ser up some reactions! actually i ( its a personal preference ) prefer seeing anything so visual as Anime in English simply because i cant speak Japanese and anime, series and films in general in my opinion aren’t intended to be viewed with subtitles, there a visual experience so anything that takes away from that’s not good - i don’t have any problem watching films with subtitles - i do it alot actually, but although its not noticeable there is a loss of taking in the imagry and it takes away from the experience in getting lost in it - not a lot just a preference - also - i have no idea if this was true with Berserk but occasionally the dialogue will be simplified for easier reading...

I didn't think they took the voice acting very seriously in the English dub.

heh yeah your probaly right about that..

Title: Re: Berserk voice acting
Post by: Walter on January 26, 2006, 01:44:21 AM
i ( its a personal preference ) prefer seeing anything so visual as Anime in English simply because i cant speak Japanese
I know what you mean.  There are several foreign language films that I have to give a second or third viewing to understand it as well as a native speaker would have (but, personally, I never choose a dub over a sub for the reasons I've listed in my previous post).

However, the Berserk anime in particular features very little animation.  I don't see how it'd be difficult to follow with subtitles, as opposed to a show with more animation like, say... Furi Kuri.

Not trying to berate you for your dub choice, I just don't see that as a valid reason. But, to each their own   :void:
Title: Re: Berserk voice acting
Post by: CnC on January 26, 2006, 03:23:09 AM
Yea, the animation in the berserk anime was absolutely terrible...
But thats another debate entirely.

Shit, the only thing the show had going for it WAS the voice acting.  That doesn't say TOO much.
Title: Re: Berserk voice acting
Post by: Tirade on January 26, 2006, 04:43:23 AM
Yea, the animation in the berserk anime was absolutely terrible...
But thats another debate entirely.

Shit, the only thing the show had going for it WAS the voice acting.  That doesn't say TOO much.

The animation style itself is meant to depict a more old fashioned, artistic feel.  Unlike most anime, Berserk is bereft of gigantic eyes and highschool boys.  There is no computer CG effects or cell shading.  It's all hand painted.
Title: Re: Berserk voice acting
Post by: Walter on January 26, 2006, 05:39:38 AM
The animation style itself is meant to depict a more old fashioned, artistic feel.
Says who?
Quote
There is no computer CG effects or cell shading.  It's all hand painted.
None of those features were very prominent in other series either, in 1997.
Title: Re: Berserk voice acting
Post by: Aazealh on January 26, 2006, 08:32:19 AM
Shit, the only thing the show had going for it WAS the voice acting.

And the soundtrack. :guts:

The animation style itself is meant to depict a more old fashioned, artistic feel.

I don't think you got what he meant. The animation in the Berserk anime is cheap, it's technically not good (budget limitations didn't help). I don't find the anime to be very good either artistically speaking (the character design...), but that's completely different.

Unlike most anime, Berserk is bereft of gigantic eyes and highschool boys.

That's not a feature of the anime, the reason it has no big eyes and highschool boys is because the manga itself (which the anime is an adaptation of) doesn't. Thank you Kentarou Miura. Anyway I don't really see the relation with what CnC said.
Title: Re: Berserk voice acting
Post by: jepn30 on January 26, 2006, 09:03:48 AM
And the soundtrack. :guts:

Really enjoy the soundtrack, it is so distinct.

I don't think you got what he meant. The animation in the Berserk anime is cheap, it's technically not good (budget limitations didn't help). I don't find the anime to be very good either artistically speaking  (the character design...), but that's completely different.

No question about it being cheap. The frequent appearance of static paintings with sound overlays, certainly doesn't feel like it was a stylistic choice. Berserk's animation is better than some of the other things on the market (which isn't hard considering some of the crap out there), but it certainly isn't anything to write home about (and if you did write home about... well never mind). To me the Anime is somewhat entertaining, but there is no way that it can even touch Miura's work.

Having only seen a little of the series with the Japanese Language track I am not the best to judge, but I think it sounds more genuine (I don't know Japanese but I prefer subs to dubs - they just sound more natural, that was not intentional rhyming by the way). The English track is more amusing than anything else, but certainly not well preformed. Certainly it doesn't hold up to any critical analysis of said performances. Adding all of that to the fact that the story was watered down, I can't say that I lament it's passing.
Title: Re: Berserk voice acting
Post by: CnC on January 26, 2006, 12:13:51 PM
And the soundtrack. :guts:

How could I forget?  :guts:

he animation style itself is meant to depict a more old fashioned, artistic feel.

Old fashioned like Speed Racer...
 :schierke:
Title: Re: Berserk voice acting
Post by: Tirade on January 26, 2006, 01:18:53 PM
Clearly you boys aren't Anime fans  :serpico: True, the budget may have been lacking.  However, what Anime shows don't reuse animation?  Anyhoo, I'm not going to defend the anime and say it's superior to the manga.  That's absurd.  I judge the anime based on my experience as a viewer of the genre.
Title: Re: Berserk voice acting
Post by: Aazealh on January 26, 2006, 01:28:49 PM
True, the budget may have been lacking.  However, what Anime shows don't reuse animation?

Really, it's not just a problem of reusing frames here... I don't want to insist on stuff that's already been explained in the past, but the animation in that series wasn't up to par with the other shows broadcasted at the time (Cowboy Bebop, Trigun, or even Neon Genesis Evangelion in 1995...), and there's nothing surprising with that considering its low budget and how the project was considered in the first place (airing late at night, etc). Not to mention the teams that worked on it (i.e. not Madhouse, Gainax, Gonzo or Sunrise... VAP and OLM). That's why its success at the time was so gratifying for Berserk fans, it was all due to the story itself, not to the rest.
Title: Re: Berserk voice acting
Post by: Wraith King on January 27, 2006, 02:59:24 AM

However, the Berserk anime in particular features very little animation.  I don't see how it'd be difficult to follow with subtitles, as opposed to a show with more animation like, say... Furi Kuri.


Yeah i actually though about that recently - the stament is just my general policy there are exceptions and Berserk would make an exception if i got round to seeing it again maybe..
Title: Re: Berserk voice acting
Post by: IsolatioN on January 27, 2006, 07:42:37 PM
I hope we can all agree that, while the Manga beats the anime very easily, the anime was excelent simply for being Berserk. You can't go wrong with Berserk :)

or atleast thats how I see it. Sure it had its faults, but I enjoyed it. I can't speak for everyone  I guess, but its better then no anime (imo).
Title: Re: Berserk voice acting
Post by: Walter on January 27, 2006, 08:11:27 PM
I hope we can all agree that, while the Manga beats the anime very easily, the anime was excelent simply for being Berserk. You can't go wrong with Berserk :)

or atleast thats how I see it. Sure it had its faults, but I enjoyed it. I can't speak for everyone  I guess, but its better then no anime (imo).
King Griffith?  :griff:  Extra Adon scenes?  :schierke: A butchered escape from Wyndham?  :miura:

Not sure I agree that the anime was great.  I guess it exposed more people to the series (myself included), but honestly it's sort of an embarassment now.
Title: Re: Berserk voice acting
Post by: IsolatioN on January 27, 2006, 08:18:04 PM
Thats sort of what I was aiming for. It managed to get quite a few more people into the manga simply because they saw the anime. Like you said though it is sort of an embarassment looking back, but when you first saw it didn't you think it was great?(or atleast enjoyed it enough to get the manga)? Well, yes not everyone came to berserk through the Anime,(I indirectly found berserk because of the anime. I heard about the anime from a friend and decided to order the manga). But it did play a fairly large role in the growth of Berserk popularity in places outside of Japan.

Also I'd just like to say please, no one take any offense from my words :) I apologize if I am sounding crude/rude/"you must listen to what I say!!!" because I don't mean to :)

Title: Re: Berserk voice acting
Post by: Aazealh on January 27, 2006, 11:03:38 PM
Also I'd just like to say please, no one take any offense from my words :) I apologize if I am sounding crude/rude/"you must listen to what I say!!!" because I don't mean to :)

Don't worry, I don't see how your post could be mistaken as offensive. People have different opinions (founded or not) regarding the quality of the anime and its worth in general, but as long as everybody's happy with what they have there shouldn't be any problem. Now the topic of this thread was originally voice acting (and there are enough threads about the anime itself not to hijack this one), so if there's nothing more to say about it I think it'd better to just leave it as it is.
Title: Re: Berserk voice acting
Post by: Dragon Warrior on June 25, 2016, 04:09:12 PM
It's pretty bad they changed Guts's old Japanese voice actor. He was very good.
Why did they even change it? The new one looks way too young to me. It doesnt fit Guts very well.


I mostly like dubs tho. Guts English voice fits him very well.
Title: Re: Berserk voice acting
Post by: Theozilla on June 30, 2017, 05:54:15 PM
Figured this was the most appropriate place to post this news (since I wasn't sure if it warranted its own thread).
https://youtu.be/WbTd4o4ZH-M
But Kevin T. Collins lended his voice to doing a second "Did You Know Anime?" video on Berserk. It mostly covers trivia and info from relatively recent interviews and/or old interviews that were recently translated into English. Also the site is sourced a couple of times and given a special Thanks as well, which I thought was neat.
Title: Re: Berserk voice acting
Post by: Walter on June 30, 2017, 06:16:26 PM
Figured this was the most appropriate place to post this news (since I wasn't sure if it warranted its own thread).
https://youtu.be/WbTd4o4ZH-M

"Statements like this, along with the incredibly long hiatuses have made many question Miura's physical and mental health"

Many what ... many morons? This is such a ridiculous reasoning. Miura doesn't plan every detail out years in advance, and he takes breaks. Add it up — PERHAPS he's insane or incapacitated! Why even include rumor-monger stuff like this along with the other primary source material? I guess I should be happy they didn't bring up Idolm@ster?

Despite that portion, it's good overall. But I think they dipped their toes a little too heavily into riffraff commentary. Interviews with Miura? Great. But who cares what the 2016 or the 2011 animation people have to say about things? Their involvement with the series is tangential at best.
Title: Re: Berserk voice acting
Post by: Kaladin on June 30, 2017, 06:25:53 PM
"Statements like this, along with the incredibly long hiatuses have made many question Miura's physical and mental health"

Many what ... many morons? This is such a ridiculous reasoning. Miura doesn't plan details out years in advance, and he takes breaks. Add it up — PERHAPS he's insane or incapacitated! Why even include rumor-monger stuff like this along with the other primary source material? I guess I should be happy they didn't bring up Idolm@ster?

Despite that portion, it's good overall. But I think they dipped their toes a little too heavily into riffraff commentary. Interviews with Miura? Great. But who cares what the 2016 or the 2011 animation people have to say about things? Their involvement with the series is tangential at best.

This is why i dislike Berserk Youtube related content, it's not just some guy posting some comment somewhere, but instead spreading misinformation to the masses. A bunch of idiotic baseless claims in so many videos, and the viewers end up believing them because they don't know any better.
Title: Re: Berserk voice acting
Post by: Theozilla on June 30, 2017, 06:37:39 PM
I was also glad that they didn't bring up the Idolm@ster false rumor/fandom meme. And at least they did stare at the end that the physical/mental health rumors was only speculation. I guess that is what happens when a mangaka is private about their personal affairs, while other mangaka like Togashi and Kohske have made statements about their physical health affecting their ability to work, so the first thing fans speculate on is the mangaka's physical health (especial since the rigorous work schedule mangaka often have to endure has become more common knowledge in recent years).
Title: Re: Berserk voice acting
Post by: Voldo on July 21, 2017, 10:48:43 AM
I love the japanese voice actors for Berserk '97, I think they are superior.

I will never understand the praising of the english dub, especially not since Griffiths voice actor is the worst I've ever heard. He doesn't sound like an actor at all, he just sounds like some random dude picked off the streets for this voice acting job. Or like a guy who won a contest to be the voice of a character in an anime.

His voice is incredibly average and monotone at that. They might just as well have picked Stephen Hawking to be the voice of Griffith...

Guts' english voice sounds too much like one of the old Honest-Trailer voices, in my opinion: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0gugBiEkLwU