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Title: Guts eye?
Post by: Pav on October 03, 2001, 02:10:58 PM
;) This may sound stupid but I.ve got some questions or specs about Guts eye his blind one:

1. Was his eye pulled out by the claw at the sacrifice

2. Was it took out by Godo when he was taken there for treatment

3. Is it still in if so what is the status on it

4. If the status is ok then why can't puck heal it only if the puncture wasn't that severe highly theorectical because we did see all that blood pop out

give me some of your input guys or girls
Title: Re: Guts eye?
Post by: The Perineum Falcon on October 03, 2001, 02:37:43 PM
i believe his eye was very severely damaged and every now and then seems to bleed on occasion(anyone else notice this?). all that other stuff, about if Godo took it out or if it was pulled out, i have no idea...
Title: Re: Guts eye?
Post by: icefall on October 03, 2001, 05:36:51 PM
Not to mention the eye was all fuculated long before Guts met Puck. Besides, he wouldn't look as badass when he grits his teeth if the eye got better ^_-;
Title: Re: Guts eye?
Post by: aelka on October 05, 2001, 10:01:58 PM
I generally think whatever situation it is, it's too late for Miura to make Puck fix his eye now, or else the story will get simply tacky.
Title: Re: Guts eye?
Post by: CnC on October 08, 2001, 10:25:27 PM
I'd imagine not too much was done in terms of treatment of the eye (the best medicine that godo's house had was fairy dust and bandages)

Its probably still somewhat there, just totally unusable :)
Title: Re: Guts eye?
Post by: trapped_soul on October 10, 2001, 02:54:47 AM
well however,
after having watched the anime episode 25, you do not really think about wether Guts will be able to see with his right eye again at.
at least i was thinking about other things...
Title: Re: Guts eye?
Post by: Vermillion on October 10, 2001, 09:45:27 AM
Shoot, I think Miura took it easy on Guts image. I mean come on, his eye was clawed by a gruesome monster. Don't ya think it should look way worse than it does now. Like he should have a big gory scar or gash across that area of the eye. Although a bit clichť, that would make him look even more badass in my opinion. As it is now, it just looks like the eye is resting comfortably.
Title: Re: Guts eye?
Post by: The Perineum Falcon on October 10, 2001, 01:10:31 PM
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Although a bit clichť, that would make him look even more badass in my opinion.


i think an eye patch would make him even more bad ass... ;)
Title: Re: Guts eye?
Post by: Vermillion on October 10, 2001, 01:55:54 PM
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i think an eye patch would make him even more bad ass... ;)


NO WAY!! :o

We have already seen what he would look with an eye patch. This 'prototype' chapter is found in a early volume(either 1, 2 or 3).

Frankly though, he'd look too gay >:(

That's my opinion anyway...
Title: Re: Guts eye?
Post by: Vampire_Hunter_Bob on October 10, 2001, 02:34:25 PM
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This 'prototype' chapter is found in a early volume(either 1, 2 or 3).



Post a pic.
Title: Re: Guts eye?
Post by: Ger24 on October 10, 2001, 03:04:07 PM
The prototype is in volume 14. I don't he looks cool with an eyepach or a scar I think having his eye closed makes him look more bad ass especially when he is drawn in the shadows.
Title: Re: Guts eye?
Post by: Gorilla_Guts on November 05, 2001, 05:23:12 PM
I don`t think his eye was pulled out because you don`t actually see that happening. And as we all know about Miura, he loves to show that kind of shit. I would hazard to say that it was just pierced by the demon`s talon. Although that`s still pretty fucking scary.
Title: Re: Guts eye?
Post by: Goofy Gorilla on November 05, 2001, 11:24:57 PM
I don't know whether the eye is still in Guts's head or not, but the whole incident reminds me of Odin's sacrifice of his right eye for wisdom. Guts's newfound wisdom is centered around Griffith's ambitions and Guts's relation to the world around him. Gorilla Gits makes another astute observation as well--the whole thing is pretty frightening.
Title: Re: Guts eye?
Post by: Goofy Gorilla on November 05, 2001, 11:26:04 PM
errr... Gorilla Guts, that is
Title: Re: Guts eye?
Post by: Walter on November 06, 2001, 10:56:18 AM

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I don't know whether the eye is still in Guts's head or not, but the whole incident reminds me of Odin's sacrifice of his right eye for wisdom. Guts's newfound wisdom is centered around Griffith's ambitions and Guts's relation to the world around him. Gorilla Gits makes another astute observation as well--the whole thing is pretty frightening.

Sounds pretty coincidental to me...Guts didnt sacrifice his eye willingly in order to gain anything.
Title: Re: Guts eye?
Post by: Goofy Gorilla on November 06, 2001, 11:50:39 AM
Well, it just reminded me of it. There is a history of mythical figures that lose their temporal vision and gain deeper knowledge. Tiresias is another example. I chose Odin because he, like Guts, lost his right eye. Guts may not have willingly chose to lose his arm and his eye, but Zodd did tell him what would happen if kept company with Griffith. During the Eclipse, Guts loses his naivety along with his eye, and I think there is significance to the specific damage done to Guts's body.
Title: Re: Guts eye?
Post by: Rod_Su on January 10, 2002, 06:47:53 PM

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i think an eye patch would make him even more bad ass... ;)


Funny you should say that. †In the prototype version of Berserk, Guts is wearing an eye-patch.
Title: Re: Guts eye?
Post by: Negative_Earth on February 07, 2002, 06:29:40 AM
walter: it's called allusion.  and symbolism.

or not.
Title: Re: Guts eye?
Post by: Maximus on February 07, 2002, 02:21:34 PM
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walter: it's called allusion. †and symbolism.

or not.

???
Title: Re: Guts eye?
Post by: trapped_soul on February 08, 2002, 10:10:18 AM
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walter: it's called allusion. †and symbolism.

or not.

???
Title: Re: Guts eye?
Post by: Kenoh-Sama on February 08, 2002, 01:33:38 PM
The prototype with Guts and his eye patch is pretty bland for me. The way he's drawn and acts Guts should be called Guts the stampede because I get that Trigun thing from him. Guts looks fine with out it. If anything Berserk made me think eyepatches are stupid.
Title: Re: Guts eye?
Post by: Griffith on February 08, 2002, 04:28:41 PM
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If anything Berserk made me think eyepatches are stupid.

I canít imagine why.

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-Griffith
Title: Re: Guts eye?
Post by: puella on February 10, 2002, 06:10:10 PM
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I canít imagine why.

Adon looks so cute wearing eyepatch.
How could anyone except him look so cute like that with eyepatch !

and do you ever get to think Guts' right eye winks sometimes because of no eyepatch?

......
it's time to run. =3 =3 =3

Title: Re: Guts eye?
Post by: *Gyom* on February 11, 2002, 01:17:22 PM
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Adon looks so cute wearing eyepatch.
How could anyone except him look so cute like that with eyepatch !

and do you ever get to think Guts' right eye winks sometimes because of no eyepatch?

......
it's time to run. =3 =3 =3



Adon's cute ... maybe for you; hard to say though
I haven't seen Guts as a winking one, maybe i was wrong all the way ,

And... professor ape, comparisons with Guts and mythologican heroes/gods for one or 2 ressemblances are interessant, but it begins to bore me  : you know Guts is like Gofannon, because he's a warrior and both of them killed a young boy ( Guts killed Adonis and Gofannon killed Dylan Eil Ton ...)^^
Title: Re: Guts eye?
Post by: Ckrisz on February 12, 2002, 05:40:16 PM
With regards to the symbolism of the lost eye ... I'm betting that losing the eye is symbolic of losing the "whole" Guts that existed just prior to the Eclipse, the one who had a future with Casca and a chance at a fully human life. Once he loses the eye, he is "blinded" to the possibilities of that life and just turns progressively more savage and dark. He's slowly losing his humanity. I'm betting that the eye will be healed once Guts is "healed" of the horror and trauma of the Eclipse.
Title: Re: Guts eye?
Post by: Griffith on February 12, 2002, 08:50:07 PM
I think Miura wanted to represent the deep, metaphysical badassness of Guts persona through the absence of one of his optical sensors.

-Griffith
Title: Re: Guts eye?
Post by: Walter on February 12, 2002, 09:43:16 PM
I think the eye represents Guts blindness. He lost the eye when he lost his family: his vision.

Guts adopted Veangeance as his new "eye" and "vision". In the Lost Children arc it is very apparent that Guts is acting blindly without real direction. Guts would have continued to wander about if it werent for Godo's speech to Guts, which has helped him regain some of his blindness.

This is just my thoughts....
Title: Re: Guts eye?
Post by: Griffith on February 13, 2002, 12:01:37 AM
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I think the eye represents Guts blindness. He lost the eye when he lost his family: his vision.

Guts adopted Veangeance as his new "eye" and "vision". In the Lost Children arc it is very apparent that Guts is acting blindly without real direction. Guts would have continued to wander about if it werent for Godo's speech to Guts, which has helped him regain some of his blindness.

This is just my thoughts....

I totally agree with you Walter, but I donít think Iím correct in my assumption. Ultimately, I think Guts eye represents alienation and loss of innocence. Before he could judge his world through both eyes, but now, his misplaced eye can only see the past, it is now the eye of his memory, his mindís eye. While his left, or sinister, eye is all that remains to him, forcing him to look at his vision of the present through this dark and twisted perspective. He canít recognize the deeper meaning of his situation or that of others because without his right eye heís lost his ďdepth perceptionĒ. Before he lived in a world of color but now he only sees in black and white with everything else grayed out, the very story of Guts itself is told in black in white, because thatís the limit of Gutsí own understanding.

I only hope that one day Guts can live in a colorized future.

-Griffith

Title: Re: Guts eye?
Post by: Walter on February 13, 2002, 08:18:15 AM
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I totally agree with you Walter, but I donít think Iím correct in my assumption. Ultimately, I think Guts eye represents alienation and loss of innocence. Before he could judge his world through both eyes, but now, his misplaced eye can only see the past, it is now the eye of his memory, his mindís eye. While his left, or sinister, eye is all that remains to him, forcing him to look at his vision of the present through this dark and twisted perspective. He canít recognize the deeper meaning of his situation or that of others because without his right eye heís lost his ďdepth perceptionĒ. Before he lived in a world of color but now he only sees in black and white with everything else grayed out, the very story of Guts itself is told in black in white, because thatís the limit of Gutsí own understanding.

I only hope that one day Guts can live in a colorized future.

-Griffith


Ok now thats just a straight rip-off of Cowboy Bebop. Cool idea though.

Honestly, I dont really believe this is what Miura intended, however this metaphor about the eye DOES work, and is consistent.
Title: Re: Guts eye?
Post by: Griffith on February 13, 2002, 12:33:56 PM
Sorry, Iíve never heard of a cowboy hip-hop.

-Griffith
Title: Re: Guts eye?
Post by: wuwei on February 18, 2002, 07:26:07 PM
in referance to the physical structure of the eye, more that likely the monster peirced into the pupil and cratched/broke the lense inside. †as a result, it might completely destroy the iris muscle, but the film covering both the iris and the pupil might have healed, because it normally constantly has to heal itself from flying dust and the such anyway, thus allowing Guts's eye to retain its spherical shape. †if miura had taken a more logical approach to the destruction of the eye, i believe the monster would have mangled the eye and destroyed the eyelid muscles, thus leavin a hunk of meat and 2 flaps in the eye socket. †although, miura made the correct descision in drawing it more simply, because a hunk of meat and 2 flaps are quite unattractive, as well as the fact that they may be hard to draw.

i cant say anything about the symbolic themes attachted to the eye, because i have not reached that climactic point in the series yet.
Title: Re: Guts eye?
Post by: DFInc on February 22, 2002, 06:26:33 AM
heh, I think it was done just for the look of it.   ;D its a good way to separate pre-eclipse Guts from post-eclipse Guts.  No need to read too much into it  :D
Title: Re: Guts eye?
Post by: Kenoh-Sama on February 22, 2002, 03:54:11 PM
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I canít imagine why.

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-Griffith



Heh'
Title: Re: Guts eye?
Post by: aelka on February 22, 2002, 09:46:58 PM
about Guts eye will heal off after everything turns "normal" again *well, technically there's no "again" as Guts birth is the birth of his trauma*
sounds a little Kenshin...I'd agree on it being a scar of history but I doubt this kinda teen idol mangas shit is going to happen in Berserk. ;D
Title: Re: Guts eye?
Post by: roberto999 on February 23, 2002, 03:30:39 AM
Corum anyone? ;)
Title: Re: Guts eye?
Post by: puella on February 23, 2002, 05:52:12 AM
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Corum anyone? ;)

what is Corum? ???
Title: Re: Guts eye?
Post by: roberto999 on February 23, 2002, 07:12:28 AM
Corum is a hero created by Michael Morcock in the novel "The Knight of The Swords"(1972), that lacks the right eye, the left hand...and has pointy ears. He fights against Gods called the Lords of Chaos.
Title: Re: Guts eye?
Post by: Uriel on March 04, 2002, 03:10:44 AM
Fascinating, though on the actual topic, personally I don't see what difference it has made to the man himself.. yes, we would all be gutted if we lost part of a vital sense, but it still doesn't really make his performance or determination decrease.. if the worst comes to worst, he should lose the other one and record Motown songs with Stevie Wonder.. two teenage idols together.. Winning combination me thinks  :P
Title: Re: Guts eye?
Post by: Kenoh-Sama on March 04, 2002, 07:52:20 AM
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Fascinating, though on the actual topic, personally I don't see what difference it has made to the man himself.. yes, we would all be gutted if we lost part of a vital sense, but it still doesn't really make his performance or determination decrease.. if the worst comes to worst, he should lose the other one and record Motown songs with Stevie Wonder.. two teenage idols together.. Winning combination me thinks †:P


A Stevie Wonder reference. That's cool.  :)
Title: Re: Guts eye?
Post by: floydboy on March 12, 2002, 01:53:48 PM
Commenting on what Griffith said about his mind's eye....

So, perhaps what Guts needs to do is open his 'third eye'.  There is actually part of our brain called the pineal body (a tiny gland in the brain stem) which is nicknamed our 'third eye', which is theorized to be extremely sensitive to light, ...etc.... If Guts were to open this third eye, he could plausibly see everything - including the ability to decipher emotions and people - around him.

Another thing is that he does retain memories of his life....but as they are seen through both eyes.  As when someone loses a limb....they still have muscle memory of that limb.  For instance, if you lost your foot, your brain would still think and you would 'feel' your foot about to be planted when you walk.....the only thing being that there wouldn't be a foot there to plant.  

Guts sees his world through 2 different viewpoints.  Through his memory and through his still functioning eye.....

As long as the optic nerve still has some semblence of order left....it coulld still have impulses going through it....

or check this out....Puck implanted a crazy monster thing in his eye...and it's just waiting to pop out.... Puck healed the eye but made it home to a little friend....
(Dunno where that came from....)


Btw-

Cowboy Hip-Hop eh?....well the OST did rock

Title: Re: Guts eye?
Post by: Uriel on March 13, 2002, 10:10:02 AM
erm.. :-/
Title: Re: Guts eye?
Post by: ARHicks00 on May 12, 2002, 03:30:52 PM
Or maybe he does open his right eye because he's already of blasting everything in sight with his mutant optical blast. :P