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Title: Episode 257
Post by: Griffith on June 03, 2005, 02:29:13 AM
Title: 教圏の宗主 - Suzerain of the Ecclesiastical Authority (http://www.younganimal.com/berserk/sp/05v12.html)

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Title: Re: Episode 257
Post by: SaiyajinNoOuji on June 03, 2005, 02:31:58 AM
Emailed the kanji to my wife! Will be getting  translation soon.  8)

Edit: Ex-nay on that one... she says she doesnt understand the old kanji.   :'(  If it wasnt for her cooking, i would have gotten rid of her!  >:(
Title: Re: Episode 257
Post by: dwarfkicker on June 03, 2005, 02:36:44 AM
Wow, for the first time I actually don't know where to begin the speculation.  Usually the preview gives away one of the pannels on the first two pages so there's no doubt this is in the beginning of the page.

I guess the Kushan haven't decided to make their presence felt just yet.
Title: Re: Episode 257
Post by: Griffith on June 03, 2005, 02:42:38 AM
Well, for starters, it opens up the possibility that the preview line is something said at the ball rather than the scene of the duel.

P.S. What's for dinner, Saiya?
Title: Re: Episode 257
Post by: SaiyajinNoOuji on June 03, 2005, 03:01:23 AM
P.S. What's for dinner, Saiya?
Actaully going to a CoCo's Curry... just think fast food curry... Mmmmm tasty chicken cutlet with curry and cheese with NAN!!!!!!  :o

back on topic. I wonder if this is the part that people will notice Guts and Serpico duking it out.
Title: Re: Episode 257
Post by: mahlernut on June 03, 2005, 03:37:54 AM
きょうけんのそうしゅ

Leader of the religious world?  I'm probably missing a particular parallel of some sort here...宗主(そうしゅ)is  some sort of feudal European religious leader, and 教圏(きょうけん)is the "religious sphere," methinks. 
Title: Re: Episode 257
Post by: BiQ-- on June 03, 2005, 06:11:49 AM
The Pope?

But, it seems to me to be the Father Vandimion. Well, wasn't he (and the family) one of the most prominent supporters of Holy See? This surely yields him a considerable influence in the Holy See.

Title: Re: Episode 257
Post by: puella on June 03, 2005, 06:35:59 AM
Edit: Ex-nay on that one... she says she doesnt understand the old kanji.   :'(  If it wasnt for her cooking, i would have gotten rid of her!  >:(

Are they old kanji? Well, not to me.^^;
I'd translate it "Suzerain of the ecclesiastical authority".
He's Mr.Vandimion,definitely.
Title: Re: Episode 257
Post by: Aazealh on June 03, 2005, 06:47:04 AM
Looks like Magnifico's going to get his ass verbally kicked by daddy Vandimion...

Then when he'll start reprimanding Farnese, Serpico will come running at them, bloodied all over, yelling for them to run to the chopper (http://gettothechopper.ytmnd.com/). Then Guts will apppear, roaring with all his might, and at the same time a feline pishacha will jump out of a window and eat a noble. 8)
Title: Re: Episode 257
Post by: SaiyajinNoOuji on June 03, 2005, 07:30:53 AM
Looks like Magnifico's going to get his ass verbally kicked by daddy Vandimion...

Then when he'll start reprimanding Farnese, Serpico will come running at them, bloodied all over, yelling for them to run to the chopper (http://gettothechopper.ytmnd.com/). Then Guts will apppear, roaring with all his might, and at the same time a feline pishacha will jump out of a window and eat a noble. 8)
I'm intrigued by your story, where may I subscribe to your newsletter?  8)
Title: Re: Episode 257
Post by: Nomad on June 03, 2005, 07:33:37 AM
  A good reason to be waken up... Thanks Grif.  ;D
Title: Re: Episode 257
Post by: xechnao on June 03, 2005, 08:03:55 AM

 My take is that daddy's presence has to do with asking the rise of forces against the Kushans - asking the nobles and declaring that the army will be under Holy See's command.
Title: Re: Episode 257
Post by: SaiyajinNoOuji on June 03, 2005, 10:36:29 AM
My take is that daddy's presence has to do with asking the rise of forces against the Kushans - asking the nobles and declaring that the army will be under Holy See's command.
Now that I could understand! I think Xech may be onto something!  8)
Title: Re: Episode 257
Post by: Aazealh on June 03, 2005, 12:30:34 PM
Well, for starters, it opens up the possibility that the preview line is something said at the ball rather than the scene of the duel.

Interesting thought, and it would sure make sense. That line however doesn't really fit Vandimion's character and way to speak, it's more like the kind of thing Guts would say.

A good reason to be waken up...

There's no such thing as a good reason to be waken up.

I'm intrigued by your story, where may I subscribe to your newsletter?

Just send a blank email to younganimal@gmail.com. ;)

My take is that daddy's presence has to do with asking the rise of forces against the Kushans - asking the nobles and declaring that the army will be under Holy See's command.

Well, the various armies are already gathered around Vritannis and should be ready; I'm not sure the soldiers would really need any order from the nobles to defend against the Kushans. They're also supposed to have an alliance (not feudalist relations), so I think the high nobles and experienced generals wouldn't like it much if they were to receive military orders from the Holy See...

Anyway, the Kushans seem to be planning a stealthy attack using familiars, so I doubt Vandimion to be aware of the danger yet. I think they'll realize the situation during this episode or the next, with either Guts' band interfering with the ball, or the pishacha that killed the guards attacking the nobles.
Title: Re: Episode 257
Post by: xechnao on June 03, 2005, 02:24:49 PM
Well, the various armies are already gathered around Vritannis and should be ready; I'm not sure the soldiers would really need any order from the nobles to defend against the Kushans. They're also supposed to have an alliance (not feudalist relations), so I think the high nobles and experienced generals wouldn't like it much if they were to receive military orders from the Holy See...

Anyway, the Kushans seem to be planning a stealthy attack using familiars, so I doubt Vandimion to be aware of the danger yet. I think they'll realize the situation during this episode or the next, with either Guts' band interfering with the ball, or the pishacha that killed the guards attacking the nobles.

 Yes, I wasn't talking about the immediate threat, but the Kushan - Midland issue, as seen discussed a couple of epsiodes before.
 Obviously the surprise attack will interfere with this. But they still don't know about it, so it's pretty normal to assume that they act as if they didn't.
Title: Re: Episode 257
Post by: Walter on June 03, 2005, 02:42:04 PM
Quote
My take is that daddy's presence has to do with asking the rise of forces against the Kushans - asking the nobles and declaring that the army will be under Holy See's command.
Since Vandimion is such a popular and influential guy, doesn't it make more sense for him to be at the ball to give a dramatic pre-war speech?  Someone of his power wouldn't just waltz into a ball (pun intended) to discuss tactics and war preparations with generals.

What would be the function of Vandimion declaring that all the armies are under the Holy See's order?  Seems redundant, it being called the "Holy See Alliance," not to mention just bad diplomacy.  "For those who forgot, don't forget YOU'RE FIGHTING FOR THE CHURCH."

Anyway, I do hope we see a few noble deaths (no pun intended) at the jaws of a Panishka or two... hundred.
Title: Re: Episode 257
Post by: xechnao on June 03, 2005, 04:06:01 PM
What would be the function of Vandimion declaring that all the armies are under the Holy See's order?  Seems redundant, it being called the "Holy See Alliance," not to mention just bad diplomacy.  "For those who forgot, don't forget YOU'RE FIGHTING FOR THE CHURCH."

Just another paragraph of his diplomatic speech. We have been on the same boat, just a different cabin.


Anyway, I do hope we see a few noble deaths (no pun intended) at the jaws of a Panishka or two... hundred.

Perhaps Vandimion himself will be the target?
Title: Re: Episode 257
Post by: Aazealh on June 03, 2005, 07:19:57 PM
Yes, I wasn't talking about the immediate threat, but the Kushan - Midland issue, as seen discussed a couple of epsiodes before.

Well in that case, since the armies are already there, I don't think that kind of "request" is needed... Forces have already risen against the Kushan empire, and the ball is actually to cheer up the troops before they get to confront the Kushans (though the "troops" invited seem to be exclusively composed of nobles).

Obviously the surprise attack will interfere with this. But they still don't know about it, so it's pretty normal to assume that they act as if they didn't.

Yup.

Since Vandimion is such a popular and influential guy, doesn't it make more sense for him to be at the ball to give a dramatic pre-war speech?  Someone of his power wouldn't just waltz into a ball (pun intended) to discuss tactics and war preparations with generals.

Yeah, and he simply wouldn't have any legitimacy in doing that anyway, he's not a Holy See leader himself (while having strong relations with them, he's still more into financial stuff), and certainly doesn't qualify as far as military matters go.

What would be the function of Vandimion declaring that all the armies are under the Holy See's order?  Seems redundant, it being called the "Holy See Alliance," not to mention just bad diplomacy.

Yeah, definitely.

Panishka

Yeah, right. (http://www.skullknight.net/forum/Smileys/Berserk/lol.gif)
Title: Re: Episode 257
Post by: Akin on June 03, 2005, 09:59:50 PM
*fades (http://web.kass.biz/sitekass/tutorials/ns/Fade%20render.jpg) in from the shadows*

http://www.younganimal.com/berserk/sp/img/05v12.jpg

This picture just screams "edit me"  ;D  (maybe its the text boxes)

So this would end up in volume 30? Hrm...  is Miura going away from the duel for a minute to show whats going on in the ballroom or.... ???

Also:  It looks like the English translation of the special preview only happens when the title is short  :'(

This makes me wonder if/when Guts's band will finally leave for elfhelm... I've been hoping that volume 29 would end with Guts and Family getting back together, stealing a boat, and leaving just as the city got sacked, with Roderick somehow ending up on board ... but then again, I didn't expect a Duel... hrm.... hopefully they'll be on the boat by the end of volume 30?


ecclesiastical (http://www.answers.com/ecclesiastical&r=67)
Lets not make up English words ok? ;P  All kidding aside, I guess this is the result of me avoiding religion...
Title: Re: Episode 257
Post by: hanafubuku on June 03, 2005, 10:21:03 PM
Griffith is going to crash the party...



And a 5-way battle will ensue - Nobles vs Kushan vs Griffith vs Serpico vs Guts for an all-mighty blood fest.  To commorate the event, many pages will detour from the standard black and white to include tones of red.
Title: Re: Episode 257
Post by: Some Guy on June 04, 2005, 06:28:22 PM
I'm sure the duel's conclusion will comprise the first 1/2 or 1/3 of the episode and then switch focus on Vandimion.Mr. Vandimion might be discussing the future wedding preparations for Farnese or he might be just catching wind of the killings by the familiars and may be about to give a notice for the troops to be on full alert.

One things for sure is that Mr. Vandimion doesn't look very happy in that panel
Title: Re: Episode 257
Post by: hanafubuku on June 04, 2005, 06:55:16 PM
All of the panels that have Mr. Vandimion - none of them ever show him happy  :D
Title: Re: Episode 257
Post by: Smith on June 04, 2005, 09:51:34 PM
Nice preview...


It seem that duel between Guts and Serpico will end in this topic...
Title: Re: Episode 257
Post by: Tell Me Why on June 04, 2005, 11:02:14 PM
Less balls, more Guts vs. Serpico!
Title: Re: Episode 257
Post by: Walter on June 04, 2005, 11:44:08 PM
Less balls, more Guts vs. Serpico!
[comedy gold]
- Vandimion must have a lot of BALLS... to waltz in like that.
- The Kushans are sure going to have a BALL invading Vritannis.
- I hope Guts doesn't smash the nobles' BALL.
[/comedy gold]

Thanks, I'm here all week.
Title: Re: Episode 257
Post by: Hippie on June 04, 2005, 11:54:15 PM
You kill me Walter  ;D
Title: Re: Episode 257
Post by: Smith on June 05, 2005, 01:46:22 AM
[comedy gold]
- I hope Guts doesn't smash the nobles' BALL.
[/comedy gold]

Thanks, I'm here all week.


Why not... Izzit because its not BALLS instead?  ::)
Title: Re: Episode 257
Post by: Walter on June 05, 2005, 07:59:07 AM
Uhh, right Smith. Right.
Title: Re: Episode 257
Post by: Un_Colombiano on June 05, 2005, 03:18:46 PM
Not to stick like a sore toe here or anything, but am i missing the rest of the pages in the episode? I only see the 1st page of the royal guy.
Title: Re: Episode 257
Post by: Aazealh on June 05, 2005, 03:30:11 PM
Not to stick like a sore toe here or anything, but am i missing the rest of the pages in the episode? I only see the 1st page of the royal guy.

There's only the preview available right now, the whole episode hasn't come out yet. It will next Friday (10th).
Title: Re: Episode 257
Post by: Akin on June 05, 2005, 06:51:02 PM
[comedy gold]
- Vandimion must have a lot of BALLS... to waltz in like that.
- The Kushans are sure going to have a BALL invading Vritannis.
- I hope Guts doesn't smash the nobles' BALL.
[/comedy gold]

Thanks, I'm here all week.

Don't forget about BAWLS (http://www.bawls.com/).  ;D
Title: Re: Episode 257
Post by: Vaxillus on June 06, 2005, 12:33:02 AM
Don't forget about BAWLS (http://www.bawls.com/).  ;D
Those will be my friends and I's substitute for alchohol on the night of our HS graduation.

Back on topic...
I hope this isn't right, but it seems to me like that episode will be a break in the fight between Guts and Serp.  If my memory serves me right, usually Miura doesn't switch settings inside episodes.  We may just get an episode of the nobles chatting it up.  If my prediction is correct I'll be disapointed, for as much as I like plot developement, I want to see Serp get pwn'ed.
Title: Re: Episode 257
Post by: Mepheiz on June 06, 2005, 02:41:41 AM
The beauty of having all the Vandimion's in one basket.   Pishacha eats the family, and Farnese finds herself to be ever so slightly in charge of everything.   No problem getting a ship now!
Title: Re: Episode 257
Post by: scroto on June 06, 2005, 06:52:17 AM
Yeah this is about to end real soon.  XD My Inner Nostradamus tells me that the Guts family will reach Elfhelm by 2006 (sarcasm crushes self while asleep!!) Minus ten life points. :P
Title: Re: Episode 257
Post by: MB. on June 07, 2005, 07:54:04 PM
Guts has never been one for other's BALLs thank god. I wonder if Farnese will be BALLing her eyes out after one of her father's BALL's is busted.
Title: Re: Episode 257
Post by: Walter on June 07, 2005, 08:00:14 PM
Guts has never been one for other's BALLs thank god. I wonder if Farnese will be BALLing her eyes out after one of her father's BALL's is busted.

Please, for the sake of all other horses, stay your hand. (http://www.wildhorsepreservation.com/images/archive/dead_horse.jpg)
Title: Re: Episode 257
Post by: Smith on June 09, 2005, 07:52:37 AM
You are the one that started the BALL rolling Walter...


Anyway just kidding...
Title: Re: Episode 257
Post by: Aazealh on June 09, 2005, 03:46:40 PM
Anyway just kidding...

...

Anyway, some information about the episode from YA: Serpico would actually be asking to serve Guts 8), and the next issue (258) would be about the Neo Hawks (Sonja should appear and relate her Vritannis trip), with a color poster depicting them included.
Title: Re: Episode 257
Post by: Smith on June 09, 2005, 04:25:16 PM
Serpico would actually be asking to serve Guts 8), 

OMG, am I hearing right?

What make Serp to make this decision?

Title: Re: Episode 257
Post by: Some Guy on June 09, 2005, 06:04:56 PM
NeoHawks! Sweet!
Title: Re: Episode 257
Post by: CnC on June 09, 2005, 06:25:30 PM
wow... guts being the leader of the new-new band of the hawk would be just as cool as a serpico apostle.
Title: Re: Episode 257
Post by: Vaxillus on June 09, 2005, 09:34:54 PM
Thanks for the news Aaz!

As for the neohawks, there seems to be some confusion.  Unless I'm mistaken, the neohawks are Griffith's new band, not Guts'.
Title: Re: Episode 257
Post by: Rage Incarnate on June 10, 2005, 02:14:57 AM
wow... guts being the leader of the new-new band of the hawk would be just as cool as a serpico apostle.

If that wasn't sarcasm I feel I must slap you.
Title: Re: Episode 257
Post by: Griffith on June 10, 2005, 06:01:12 AM
If anyone should be laying the smack down around here, it's CnC. Probably not worth it though.

Anyway, Serpico getting with the program, huh? Hopefully for good this time. Regardless, a Hawks episode after this? That should be interesting no matter what, especially considering Sonja's new friend.
Title: Re: Episode 257
Post by: Aazealh on June 10, 2005, 06:08:10 AM
If anyone should be laying the smack down around here, it's CnC. Probably not worth it though.

Uhh yeah, I don't think he needs help about who the Neo Hawks are, guys...

Regardless, a Hawks episode after this? That should be interesting no matter what, especially considering Sonja's new friend.

Yeah, we would finally get to know for sure how far exactly they are from Vritannis, and what they intend to do about the Kushan army there.
Title: Re: Episode 257
Post by: CnC on June 10, 2005, 12:57:39 PM
If anyone should be laying the smack down around here, it's CnC. Probably not worth it though.

hrmm... my avatar seems to be missing. animated gif smackdown not feasible...
Guess I'll hold out for bigger targets like wereallymad...

Yeah, we would finally get to know for sure how far exactly they are from Vritannis, and what they intend to do about the Kushan army there.

I'm expecting them to be around the corner.
Title: Re: Episode 257
Post by: Aazealh on June 10, 2005, 01:10:39 PM
hrmm... my avatar seems to be missing. animated gif smackdown not feasible...

Walter is the culprit, I'll put it back online once I get home (and I'll post the episode too, just so you guys know).



Awesome episode anyway guys, Serpico gets to eat gravel, but Guts spares him. He seems pained by the injury he got on his hand in the last episode. After explaining himself and learning than Farnese is in danger, he gets his equipment back from Schierke and decides to lead the band to where she is. Meanwhile, Farnese worries about him and wanders around to find him, just when Magnifico announces to the assembly (next to his father) that she'll wed Roderick. His face is priceless. ;D And in the last panel, we see the familiar on the balcony to the ball room.
Title: Re: Episode 257
Post by: Abstraction on June 10, 2005, 04:04:28 PM
Hi there skullknight.net. First post, I'm new here, I'm obsessed with Berserk..yada yada...I'll spare you guys all the crap, and just say thanks a million for scanning the new releases for us!
Title: Re: Episode 257
Post by: blueberserk on June 10, 2005, 04:04:59 PM
ohhhhhhhhh,i love you Aazealh!!!~~~~~~~~
Title: Re: Episode 257
Post by: dwarfkicker on June 10, 2005, 04:14:12 PM
He keeps teasing with the Kushan attack.  This is killing me.  I know it'll be one hell of a battle.
Title: Re: Episode 257
Post by: Kagami on June 10, 2005, 04:25:10 PM
He keeps teasing with the Kushan attack.  This is killing me.  I know it'll be one hell of a battle.


no it wont
Title: Re: Episode 257
Post by: Woland on June 10, 2005, 04:29:10 PM
Thanks Aaz

Serpico seems satisfied with the conclusion, on page 7 he looks the most relaxed I've seen him.

I wonder what Isidro was saying.  I love Farnese's mom's response to Magnifico's panic.
Title: Re: Episode 257
Post by: darkbane on June 10, 2005, 04:31:34 PM
Episodes like this one is when not knowing japanese hurts the most ^_^. A lot of talking going on, especially Guts talking. Maybe he says something related to Griffith since the image of Sonia comes up.

This may be obvious, but I think the "battle" will instead be a festival eclipse-style.
Title: Re: Episode 257
Post by: Aazealh on June 10, 2005, 04:32:44 PM
Hi there skullknight.net. First post, I'm new here, I'm obsessed with Berserk..yada yada...

Hey Abstraction, welcome aboard. :)

He keeps teasing with the Kushan attack.  This is killing me.  I know it'll be one hell of a battle.

It's indeed going to be interesting to see, the fall of a big town like Vritannis, with all the armies massed nearby. Anyway, looks like the YA preview wasn't so much about Serpico "serving" Guts, but rather leading the band to the ball (obscure as always).

He also comments about how he didn't expect Guts to counterattack using the collapsing pillars, and asks him if he read his moves. Guts replies that he didn't. ;D Serpico then ponders about Guts' incredible reflexes, and admits his defeat. Schierke also firmly says that she won't let something like that happen again, to Evarella's surprise.

no it wont

That's not much of a reply now, is it? Please make an effort when replying in cases like these, thanks.

I wonder what Isidro was saying.

He was asking if they were really fighting seriously (i.e. trying to wound or kill the other), and Guts replies something about the "way of the sword", etc.

Maybe he says something related to Griffith since the image of Sonia comes up.

It's just Schierke finally being reminded of what Sonja said about the town being annihilated (was about time) when Guts says that Vritannis will soon become a battlefield. There's no mention of Griffith.

Anyway, that color page is one of the paintings used for the TCG, and seeing how good it looks at a decent size, I can't help but lament about the lack of recent artbooks... :'(
Title: Re: Episode 257
Post by: Woland on June 10, 2005, 04:52:44 PM
He was asking if they were really fighting seriously (i.e. trying to wound or kill the other), and Guts replies something about the way of sword.

Ah, thanks.
Title: Re: Episode 257
Post by: xechnao on June 10, 2005, 04:55:09 PM
Thanks Aaz

Comments on the ep:

 That was the first thing I've thought about the duel's conclusion two chapters ago. I didn't like that thought so much. Had emotional potential for the group but emphasized Guts ability on Serpico's - which I didn't like so much: in fact I liked the Enoc village battle because it somehow showed all of the party's power rather than Guts'.
 Can we think of Serpico vs Guts matter as sosspended maybe? Serpico with his magic weapons vs Guts and Serpico apostle still an option to imagine?
 Anyway...

The dialogue...seems Miura finally brings the team together against the perills we know. In a couple of words: plot development

The BALL: more plot development and perhaps new plot potential...looking forward to the translation

The art: did anybody else notice a slight difference in style? More darkness less fantasy or dark fantasy...kinda more of vampire or even Jack the Ripper fiction than anything else. No, I am not talking about the theme, but about the drawing technique. It seems every important shadowing and highlighting is expressed in a more clear pattern that makes it a bit more chillier than the usual.
This kind of chill, I don't think Miura has managed it before. I think this style suits Berserk best than any style we have seen so far.
Title: Re: Episode 257
Post by: Kagami on June 10, 2005, 05:15:12 PM
That's not much of a reply now, is it? Please make an effort when replying in cases like these, thanks.

I thought it was funny....

but speaking seriously about this up comming battle, I think it may be like the battle that the original BOTH had when they first encountered Zodd. I don't mean they will find one person that will mess them up pretty bad, but that it will not be such a one sided fight like the other ones. This time there is the strange cat beast for starters(kinda has the mouth of Ganishka don't you think?), and after Ganishka saw the power of the band first hand, I think he may step up the quality of the troops he sends in. From the last page it looks like we will get the answers to these questions.... in a month... arg.


Title: Re: Episode 257
Post by: Woland on June 10, 2005, 05:16:56 PM
Can we think of Serpico vs Guts matter as sosspended maybe? Serpico with his magic weapons vs Guts and Serpico apostle still an option to imagine?
 Anyway...

I think this last fight settled things between them (well, hopefully)).  I think Serpico is going to face the nasty realization that Farnese won't be safe even if she leaves the group, due to the Kushans and her family's political power.  She might be safer traveling with Guts & co. since they're at least strong enough to fight back, unlike certain guards we've seen.

I thought it was funny....

but speaking seriously about this up comming battle, I think it may be like the battle that the original BOTH had when they first encountered Zodd. I don't mean they will find one person that will mess them up pretty bad, but that it will not be such a one sided fight like the other ones. This time there is the strange cat beast for starters(kinda has the mouth of Ganishka don't you think?), and after Ganishka saw the power of the band first hand, I think he may step up the quality of the troops he sends in. From the last page it looks like we will get the answers to these questions.... in a month... arg.




Next episode is out in two weeks, notice the 6/24.
Title: Re: Episode 257
Post by: Kagami on June 10, 2005, 05:29:52 PM
Next episode is out in two weeks, notice the 6/24.

doubt the fight will be with that one, the "rescue" of Farnese is my guess for the two week one.


But about your other comment, I thought back when Serp got wounded in Troll land that they were going to be more buddy buddy, so I'm not sure we can say that there will be no more conflict between them (they will probably find another reason to go at it). Each fight they have, they learn a bit more about the other ones skills (Guts seeing how Serpico can use any weapon available, and Serpico seeing how keen Guts reflexes are).

Title: Re: Episode 257
Post by: darkbane on June 10, 2005, 05:48:38 PM
doubt the fight will be with that one, the "rescue" of Farnese is my guess for the two week one.

Aaz said that the next ep is about Griffith and co.

After all those long holidays/sick leave, it will be great if Miura can keep to the two-week schedule for a while.

Aazealh, do you have any notion of what Serpico tells Guts and (more importantly) what Guts replies when he turns away?
Title: Re: Episode 257
Post by: Kagami on June 10, 2005, 05:50:21 PM
fantastic, I enjoy story but a good blood bath is needed every now and then.
Title: Re: Episode 257
Post by: Rage Incarnate on June 10, 2005, 05:59:53 PM
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fantastic, I enjoy story but a good blood bath is needed every now and then.

Yeah, Miura needs to keep up with his ADD fans and... *sees a butterfly* Ooh pretty.

In any case I kinda felt the whole battle was a let down.  What was the point of having it at all.  Maybe a full translation would answer some of these questions, not to degrade the value of Aazealh's contributions.
Title: Re: Episode 257
Post by: blueberserk on June 10, 2005, 06:17:24 PM

Anyway, that color page is one of the paintings used for the TCG, and seeing how good it looks at a decent size, I can't help but lament about the lack of recent artbooks... :'(
hey Aaz,dont worry about it.i have got the recent artbook"YA13mini-artbook".
hereis my photo album:http://weilanxinghai.photo.163.com/
i think you will find your want.
Title: Re: Episode 257
Post by: C on June 10, 2005, 06:27:59 PM
Thanks for the Scans, I am fixing to read them right now!!!!!  ;D ;D ;D ;D (http://www.websmileys.com/sm/happy/059.gif)

After seeing it, it was awesome!! I knew Guts would kick Serpico's ass. I wish I could read it though.  :(

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Posted by: xechnao      Posted on: Today at 12:55:09 PM
 Had emotional potential for the group but emphasized Guts ability on Serpico's - which I didn't like so much:

With shallow views, comes shallow comments.  :(

Look past the actual physical combat for just one sec Xech. Yes, Guts beat Serpico. Yes, he could have killed him easily. That was one side of the fight. The other was Miura showing that Guts isn't just balls to the wall swing til he dies, without the beast at least. He thought quickly on his feet, read Serpico's moves, countered not only his moves but the ceiling as well, and came out victorious. Just some regular guy with a big sword would have been either cut by Serpico's speed, or crushed from the collapsing pillars. Notice also that this whole episode was not just the end of the fight, it showed Guts keen ability to sense many different things in a battle, and ended in a tottally different scene, (which I cannot read (http://www.websmileys.com/sm/sad/310.gif)).

Excellently done in the Miura way. I can't wait for the professional translating, which I am thankful for, and then reading what's going on.  8)

 - C
Title: Re: Episode 257
Post by: Aazealh on June 10, 2005, 06:44:18 PM
This time there is the strange cat beast for starters(kinda has the mouth of Ganishka don't you think?), and after Ganishka saw the power of the band first hand, I think he may step up the quality of the troops he sends in.

It's a familiar, or a Pishacha if you want, so it's not really a surprise for it to have Ganishkan teeth. The Daka and the Makara also had these. As for Ganishka seeing the power of the band, I doubt it. Daiba might be suspicious of a third party involved in the Vritannis attack, but Ganishka himself has other matters to think about, IMHO.

I think this last fight settled things between them (well, hopefully)).  I think Serpico is going to face the nasty realization that Farnese won't be safe even if she leaves the group, due to the Kushans and her family's political power.  She might be safer traveling with Guts & co. since they're at least strong enough to fight back, unlike certain guards we've seen.

Yeah, I pretty much agree with that. I don't think Serpico will ever contest Guts' authority again, and he has probably already realized that without the group Farnese stood no chance.

Troll land

Qliphoth.

they will probably find another reason to go at it

Why? Nothing hints at this.

Aazealh, do you have any notion of what Serpico tells Guts and (more importantly) what Guts replies when he turns away?

He tells Guts that he should go to Farnese, and Guts says that he will. On page 10, Serpico reflects on the fight, and how Guts was foolishly naive not using his repeating crossbow and arm cannon. There's more to it of course but I think that will do for now.

sorry for that but i still not understand why you guys put the rar with a password with a password that change often that really suk

It's just to bother people. :o

In any case I kinda felt the whole battle was a let down.  What was the point of having it at all.  Maybe a full translation would answer some of these questions, not to degrade the value of Aazealh's contributions.

Ugh, well given your post, I don't think a translation would help much.

hey Aaz,dont worry about it.i have got the recent artbook"YA13mini-artbook".

You mean the "Collected Paintings of Berserk: I" (II and III are yet to come). I'm not especially interested by these, and they aren't really artbooks, but it's nice to have the pictures in high quality nonetheless (not that they can't be found), so thanks I guess. :) You got these from jojohot, right?
Title: Re: Episode 257
Post by: C on June 10, 2005, 06:49:47 PM
You got me before I could push save, oh well. I added to my post right before yours.  ;D

 - C
Title: Re: Episode 257
Post by: CnC on June 10, 2005, 07:10:59 PM
Thanks for the episode!  It was a nice conclusion to the fight.

edit:  Also, thanks for fixing the avatar!
Title: Re: Episode 257
Post by: Uriel on June 10, 2005, 07:46:13 PM
Best image from a recent Berserk episode:

(http://img69.echo.cx/img69/9288/semen7ug.jpg) XD
Someone just spotted a trace of sticky-white-love-piss in his palm, I see. Seriously though, excellent episode from what I could make out. Serpice gets the award for "Bitch Slap of the Week" and the last page is a nice little cliff-hanger for the next episode. Thanks for the scans, Aazealh!
Title: Re: Episode 257
Post by: Kagami on June 10, 2005, 08:32:14 PM
Qliphoth.

Why? Nothing hints at this.


1) I should have said Enoch. :/ thats the place I meant.

2) I guess it's just speculation, so maybe the wrong section to bring that up. From Serp's personality, I wouldn't be surprised if it happened again. Kinda like Bushido. They respect each other, but wouldn't hesitate to fight each other (that was shown in the last episode). After saying that, whuddya think aboot the situation? If you still don't think it is likely, any particular reason? Or just you think this theory is just a pile of Guile (the street fighter dude, not being tricky).
Title: Re: Episode 257
Post by: Some Guy on June 10, 2005, 08:40:07 PM
Yes, good episode.  So it turns out Guts wasn't just deflecting the rubble, he was preparing to swat Serpico like a fly! :P

Thanks Aazealh, for the episode and giving an idea of what is going on in some of the scenes.  I'd like the know though why Magnifico has got the "oh shit!" face on page 20, though.  Is it something Mr. Vandimion said?
Title: Re: Episode 257
Post by: mahlernut on June 10, 2005, 08:51:55 PM
Thanks Aazealh, for the episode and giving an idea of what is going on in some of the scenes.  I'd like the know though why Magnifico has got the "oh shit!" face on page 20, though.  Is it something Mr. Vandimion said?

After he's announced to the whole ball that he has an announcement, Farnese's disappearance leaves him stuttering.  The elder Vandimion comes over and asks what he was about to say. 
Title: Re: Episode 257
Post by: Some Guy on June 10, 2005, 08:55:55 PM
Yep.  That would do it ;D  Thanks for clearing that up for me.
Title: Re: Episode 257
Post by: Aazealh on June 10, 2005, 08:59:48 PM
I should have said Enoch. :/ thats the place I meant.

Ok.

I guess it's just speculation, so maybe the wrong section to bring that up.

It's fine as long as it relates to the current episode.

From Serp's personality, I wouldn't be surprised if it happened again. Kinda like Bushido. They respect each other, but wouldn't hesitate to fight each other (that was shown in the last episode). After saying that, whuddya think aboot the situation? If you still don't think it is likely, any particular reason?

It's just that they need a reason to fight, and Serpico now lacks it. He also has finally acknowledged that Guts was out of his league. Lastly, having them fight again and again would end up being a bit redundant, IMHO.

I'd like the know though why Magnifico has got the "oh shit!" face on page 20, though.  Is it something Mr. Vandimion said?

Well, he's trying to announce his sister's wedding with Roderick, wanting to take his father by surprise in front of hundreds of nobles (and his brothers), and his sister isn't there...  He basically makes a fool of himself in public, and then his father asks him what he was about to say... Vandimion's (whose first name is Federico, by the way) speech is quite spirited, he says that the army they have gathered now is the biggest ever in the history of the Holy See, and that they're going to wage a Holy war (the campaign is supposed to start on the next day). We also learn that he is the 3rd head of the Vandimion family in date, and that he financially supports a lot of countries apart from Tudor (that he's supporting). People say that without him this war wouldn't be possible.
Title: Re: Episode 257
Post by: yota821 on June 10, 2005, 09:01:43 PM
2) I guess it's just speculation, so maybe the wrong section to bring that up. From Serp's personality, I wouldn't be surprised if it happened again. Kinda like Bushido. They respect each other, but wouldn't hesitate to fight each other (that was shown in the last episode). After saying that, whuddya think aboot the situation? If you still don't think it is likely, any particular reason? Or just you think this theory is just a pile of Guile (the street fighter dude, not being tricky).

Not quite sure where you got that from (in the last episode, Serpico wanted to keep guts from getting near farnese and going berserk and killing her...).  Right now, he understands that the kushan threat is a far more immediate danger than guts is right now (which was proven by the way guts handled the fight).  Only if guts presence threatens farnese will serpico want to fight guts again.
Title: Re: Episode 257
Post by: Trashcan on June 10, 2005, 10:37:03 PM
Many thanks, Aazealh. I'd be willing to front $257,000.00 just for a crappy frame-rate, five minute Flash animation of this ep.(If I had that kind of money... :( )
Title: Re: Episode 257
Post by: Griffith on June 10, 2005, 10:41:02 PM
People say that without him this war wouldn't be possible.

Probably why Mr. Kitty has come to pay him a visit. =)

Remember the party scene in Ghostbusters?

"Okay, who brought the dog?" ;D
Title: Re: Episode 257
Post by: Vaxillus on June 10, 2005, 10:52:18 PM
Best image from a recent Berserk episode:

http://img69.echo.cx/img69/9288/semen7ug.jpg XD
Someone just spotted a trace of sticky-white-love-piss in his palm, I see.
hm, looked to me more like an LSD trip.  "Whoah, my fingers."

On a more productive note...
Thanks for the episode Aazealh, it's a real killer this time.  I so need to learn Japanese.  :-\

I think yota821 has a good point, though I doubt they'll be at each others throats again anytime soon (for the sake of an interesting plot as Aaz said).
Title: Re: Episode 257
Post by: darkbane on June 10, 2005, 11:08:39 PM
Aazealh, thanks a lot for your insights into what's actually going on in this episode ^_^.
Title: Re: Episode 257
Post by: xechnao on June 10, 2005, 11:40:10 PM
With shallow views, comes shallow comments.  :(

Nice trolling phrase.

Title: Re: Episode 257
Post by: Woland on June 11, 2005, 01:21:18 AM
On a side note, I love Federico's Patrician* robes.



*I'm guessing, since the whole thing reminds me of Rennaisance era Florence.  Well, except the Cordoba mosque/church since that's in Spain.
Title: Re: Episode 257
Post by: CnC on June 11, 2005, 02:49:01 AM
Probably why Mr. Kitty has come to pay him a visit. =)

Remember the party scene in Ghostbusters?

"Okay, who brought the dog?" ;D

"little pooch!"
ahhh, good stuff... what ever happened to rick moranes (moranis?)

Many thanks, Aazealh. I'd be willing to front $257,000.00 just for a crappy frame-rate, five minute Flash animation of this ep.(If I had that kind of money... :( )

personally... I would have wanted the last episode animated.
Title: Re: Episode 257
Post by: QUeeN typhonblue on June 11, 2005, 03:20:59 AM
I'm liking Roderick more and more. I wonder how he managed to make such a dickweed friend though... seems like Magnifico didn't bother to inform either Roderick or Farnese of his big announcement. Maybe Roderick wouldn't have approved? 

BTW, was it just me or did Guts save Serpico from being flattened by the rocks?
Title: Re: Episode 257
Post by: Smith on June 11, 2005, 03:21:04 AM
A nice episode really... It was a nice roundoff to the battle...

I'm happy for Serpico ability, at least Guts doesnt thresh him like he did to Pre-Eclipse Griffith many many volumes ago...

And this time... It really good to see Serpico talking more often with his eyes opening...  8)
Title: Re: Episode 257
Post by: mahlernut on June 11, 2005, 04:42:29 AM
I'm liking Roderick more and more. I wonder how he managed to make such a dickweed friend though... seems like Magnifico didn't bother to inform either Roderick or Farnese of his big announcement. Maybe Roderick wouldn't have approved? 

BTW, was it just me or did Guts save Serpico from being flattened by the rocks?

Roderick and Magnifico were definitely in on the plan together.  They've been discussing it whenever Farnese hasn't been around.  Loved his "we're totally busted" reaction when papa Vandimion walked over  XD   Since he and Magnifico were college buddies, maybe Roderick just hasn't managed to see what a hoser his friend is yet.  It can take a while after graduation before you realize what freaks some of your college mates were, after all  ;)  Of course, with the familiar right outside the window, there might not be too long for anyone to be too embarrased about what just happened...
Title: Re: Episode 257
Post by: Hippie on June 11, 2005, 05:33:44 AM
good episode.  Its nice to see some of the aristocratic society again.
Title: Re: Episode 257
Post by: attreau on June 11, 2005, 04:57:28 PM
Aaz, thx for the episode.  ;D

As for the duel, I thought Guts would spare Serpico's life.  :o

Now we wait to see the fall of Vritannis which will be one giant cluster f*ck battle orgy.  :-X

Armies of Vritannis vs. Kushan vs. Neo Band of the Hawk( i think) ???
Title: Re: Episode 257
Post by: Vaxillus on June 11, 2005, 07:16:30 PM
Armies of Vritannis vs. Kushan vs. Neo Band of the Hawk( i think) ???
Why would Vritannis and the NeoBotH want to fight?
Title: Re: Episode 257
Post by: Griffith on June 11, 2005, 08:58:01 PM
Why would Vritannis and the NeoBotH want to fight?

I think he was only indicating their involvement; technically, the Kushans were inbetween the Hawks and the Holy See's Allied Forces. =)

Anyway, it might be nice, from Griffith's point of view, if all the armies of the World were destroyed except for his. Many if not all of his possible rivals are currently in one place at the moment. So he can watch them die, save them all, or kill them himself after the Kushans are taken care of if he likes... in any case, his forces get stronger while the forces of the World at large get weaker. Judging from his past actions, he'll assimilate the survivors into the Band of the Hawk, or will it be the Empire of Falconia at that point? 8)
Title: Re: Episode 257
Post by: Vaxillus on June 11, 2005, 10:31:21 PM
That was more what I was thinking.  It seems like most of the Holy See's armies tend to end up joining the new band after seeing Griffith, since he seems/is divine.  It seems more likely for him so subjigate them than to crush them in battle.
Title: Re: Episode 257
Post by: Smith on June 12, 2005, 12:36:13 AM
Yup, and since all the forces of the world will be under his command...
Title: Re: Episode 257
Post by: Opie on June 12, 2005, 04:14:06 AM
Judging from his past actions, he'll assimilate the survivors into the Band of the Hawk, or will it be the Empire of Falconia at that point? 8)

What a tasty idea.  :)
Title: Re: Episode 257
Post by: Headless Death on June 13, 2005, 04:12:53 AM
Thank you Aazealh for this episode.
Glad to see Serpico has his gear back for the upcoming attack.
Title: Re: Episode 257
Post by: iNNoCeNtt_DReAMs on June 13, 2005, 07:20:02 PM
thanks guys
great episode, looks like Serpico lost which shouldnt be surprising lol
cant wait for the next episode
looks like a sasquatch crashed the party  :P
Title: Re: Episode 257
Post by: darkbladez on June 15, 2005, 11:37:08 PM
Damn, haven't been following for a while and it's already up to 257!!
Title: Re: Episode 257
Post by: Aazealh on June 16, 2005, 04:38:45 PM
Who's taking bets (http://aazealh.net/Divers/xechloses.jpg) with me on what the next episode title will be? I'm going with either Wedding or Coronation. ;D

Not to be taken seriously
Title: Re: Episode 257
Post by: CnC on June 16, 2005, 06:21:40 PM
Who's taking bets (http://aazealh.net/Divers/xechloses.jpg) with me on what the next episode title will be? I'm going with either Wedding or Coronation. ;D

Lets see:

-Beast of the Ball
-Party Crasher
-Look what the cat dragged in.
-nanda are wa? bakemono!
-Nobles vs. monster: film at 11
-Orthodontists worst nightmare

Something like that...
Title: Re: Episode 257
Post by: QUeeN typhonblue on June 16, 2005, 07:40:43 PM
Sonya returns to the neohawks with news.
Title: Re: Episode 257
Post by: Mizar on June 16, 2005, 08:43:21 PM
Sonya returns to the neohawks with news.

Someone here has been reading the YA preview? ;)

Anyway, the new title will be "A dream of a Princess" (姫の夢).
Title: Re: Episode 257
Post by: QUeeN typhonblue on June 16, 2005, 08:49:38 PM
Someone here has been reading the YA preview? ;)

Anyway, the new title will be "A dream of a Princess" (姫の夢).

If it was written in anything but English, probably not.

Just seemed like the last panel was where a break away to another scene would make sense.
Title: Re: Episode 257
Post by: Griffith on June 16, 2005, 09:01:44 PM
the next issue (258) would be about the Neo Hawks (Sonja should appear and relate her Vritannis trip), with a color poster depicting them included.

In case anyone else missed it.
Title: Re: Episode 257
Post by: QUeeN typhonblue on June 16, 2005, 09:24:53 PM
In case anyone else missed it.

Hmm... guess I did.
Title: Re: Episode 257
Post by: Griffith on June 16, 2005, 09:33:06 PM
Hmm... guess I did.

(http://www.moviemantz.com/review_shots/bestof2001/memento.jpg)
Title: Re: Episode 257
Post by: QUeeN typhonblue on June 16, 2005, 10:09:28 PM
(http://www.moviemantz.com/review_shots/bestof2001/memento.jpg)

 ::)
Title: Re: Episode 257
Post by: Griffith on June 16, 2005, 10:34:06 PM
(http://www.skullknight.net/griffith/iraqiminister_sknet2.JPG)
Title: Re: Episode 257
Post by: QUeeN typhonblue on June 16, 2005, 10:34:40 PM
http://www.skullknight.net/griffith/iraqiminister_sknet2.JPG

Didja make this just for moi?

 :-*
Title: Re: Episode 257
Post by: Griffith on June 16, 2005, 10:40:58 PM
Didja make this just for moi?

 :-*

Well, it certainly doesn't fit anyone else; tailer-made for ya, baby. ;)

I thought while we peed on the thread we might as well back up the toilet and see what memories flood out.
Title: Re: Episode 257
Post by: Lithrael on June 17, 2005, 12:51:06 AM
http://www.skullknight.net/griffith/iraqiminister_sknet2.JPG

Heh.  Just to derail this the rest of the way, now the hip Arabs call exaggerated journalism "the Al-Tesahhief Phenomenon."  I gotta say I was glad to see that guy turned up ok at the end of '03.  It was kinda like seeing Foss again.
Title: Re: Episode 257
Post by: Griffith on June 17, 2005, 01:01:32 AM
Heh.  Just to derail this the rest of the way, now the hip Arabs call exaggerated journalism "the Al-Tesahhief Phenomenon."  I gotta say I was glad to see that guy turned up ok at the end of '03.  It was kinda like seeing Foss again.

Hahaha, derail it? You just saved it I think. ;D
Title: Re: Episode 257
Post by: Mizar on June 17, 2005, 06:00:28 AM
Okay, now to try and get this thread back on track, I hope everyone realized I was actually joking with the new title. ^_^; It was just my own guess, based on the fact that princess Charlotte is the latest addition to the new band of the hawks and her place there has yet to be defined.
Title: Re: Episode 257
Post by: Aazealh on June 17, 2005, 06:35:34 AM
Okay, now to try and get this thread back on track, I hope everyone realized I was actually joking with the new title. ^_^;

Not sure about everybody else, but I did take it as a joke, yes. It's still a plausible title though (even if Charlotte is now Queen). :) Ok, the closest guess to the real title gets +3 to his post count. I know, lame reward but whatever. :P
Title: Re: Episode 257
Post by: asmer on June 17, 2005, 10:12:00 AM
Ok, the closest guess to the real title gets +3 to his post count. I know, lame reward but whatever. :P

Maybe... The Kite & the Dragons, or The Return of the Kite... :-\
Title: Re: Episode 257
Post by: CnC on June 17, 2005, 07:30:40 PM
How about
-The mighty ducks
or
-Hawk tales       ...(awOOoo)
Title: Re: Episode 257
Post by: roberto999 on June 18, 2005, 06:41:49 AM
What about:
the sparrow and the Hawk ?
Title: Re: Episode 257
Post by: Trashcan on June 19, 2005, 04:27:21 AM
Oh lord, please, PLEASE don't let it be "Monster's Ball" ::)

Billy Bob Thorton takes one step in Casca's direction, and ... >:(

Seriously, though: Report of the Allied Position. Its to the point, accurate(of what Sonja's doing.), and-like most episode titles-very terse.
Title: Re: Episode 257
Post by: Some Guy on June 19, 2005, 10:28:59 AM
Guardian Angel of Midland
Assassin
Holy War (1)
Hawks Rendezvous
The Neglected Kite
Title: Re: Episode 257
Post by: Griffith on June 19, 2005, 09:59:08 PM
Not to "spoil" the fun here, but assuming Sonja reports what she's seen, including Guts himself, directly to Griffith, what do you think his reaction will be?
Title: Re: Episode 257
Post by: CnC on June 19, 2005, 10:33:42 PM
Not to "spoil" the fun here, but assuming Sonja reports what she's seen, including Guts himself, directly to Griffith, what do you think his reaction will be?

well MY fun was ruined...

I'm going to go on the assumption that we might get some subtle reaction about guts, but probably more attention would be given to the witch that travels with him...
Title: Re: Episode 257
Post by: Woland on June 19, 2005, 10:36:13 PM
Not to "spoil" the fun here, but assuming Sonja reports what she's seen, including Guts himself, directly to Griffith, what do you think his reaction will be?

I was going to destroy the city, and I'd've gotten away with it, too, if it weren't for those meddling kids!"

*Berserk Armor activates*

"And their dog!"
Title: Re: Episode 257
Post by: Griffith on June 19, 2005, 10:54:53 PM
well MY fun was ruined...

I'm going to go on the assumption that we might get some subtle reaction about guts, but probably more attention would be given to the witch that travels with him...

Yeah, I feel the same way, but I'm wondering how much he's put together about Schierke and Guts yet (if he doesn't just know everything anyway because he's like, God on Earth); he must be interested in what he's heard about his old friend recently and all those Apostles that didn't come back from Flora's. Considering what's happening to Guts, and the fact that they've seen it before (at least Zodd knows the implications), I'm sure Griffith wouldn't want Guts and his powerful new friend to reach the powers that be at Elfhelm. He's grown dangerous enough as it is.

So I'm curious to see if he's going to ditch his laissez-faire attitude towards Guts and acknowledge him and his followers as threats, enemies, and official targets of the Hawks.

Should be good.
Title: Re: Episode 257
Post by: CnC on June 19, 2005, 11:14:28 PM
Yeah, I feel the same way, but I'm wondering how much he's put together about Schierke and Guts yet (if he doesn't just know everything anyway because he's like, God on Earth); he must be interested in what he's heard about his old friend recently and all those Apostles that didn't come back from Flora's. Considering what's happening to Guts, and the fact that they've seen it before (at least Zodd knows the implications), I'm sure Griffith wouldn't want Guts and his powerful new friend to reach the powers that be at Elfhelm. He's grown dangerous enough as it is.

So I'm curious to see if he's going to ditch his laissez-faire attitude towards Guts and acknowledge him and his followers as threats, enemies, and official targets of the Hawks.

Should be good.

As far as how much Griffith knows being "god on earth" and all, I would hope he has knowledge of the grand movements of causality, but as far as all the intricate details he's blurry.  If he was completely omnipotent it could be boring as a character.
But Sonja has seen both Schierke and Guts and knows they're in the city.  And, no doubt, Zodd and the scarred Grunbeld know the extent of Guts new power.
As far as getting some form of acknowledgement of Guts as a threat, again, more likely the witch would get the attention. 
I like this angle, as Guts failed to protect his previous "family" from Griffith.  This could be a kind of redemption.
Then, maybe, we can see some kind of acknowledgement of threat.
Title: Re: Episode 257
Post by: Mizar on June 20, 2005, 12:03:11 AM
I doubt Sonja will even mention the presence of Schierke (and the others) to Griffith. She seems to like Schierke quite a bit and I don't think she wants to put her in any more danger by making her into a potential target. But who knows?
Title: Re: Episode 257
Post by: creampuff_war on June 20, 2005, 12:06:06 AM
Does Griffith know for sure that Flora had an apprentice?

Considering the concentration of apostle soldiers he sent to kill the witch, he saw her power as a major threat.

Guts and crew escaped pretty easily. I mean, the apostle soldiers could have gotten by that magic fire wall quick enough to chase after Guts if need be.

Whatever "report" Griffith gets, there should be something said, maybe from Zodd, Grunbeld, etc, about Guts' berserk armor.

I wonder if Griffith or the Godhand even know about the berserk armor?
Title: Re: Episode 257
Post by: CnC on June 20, 2005, 12:16:41 AM
I doubt Sonja will even mention the presence of Schierke (and the others) to Griffith. She seems to like Schierke quite a bit and I don't think she wants to put her in any more danger by making her into a potential target. But who knows?

Thats possible.  Assuming Sonja's still mad about Charlotte.

Does Griffith know for sure that Flora had an apprentice?

Assuming Sonja tells her...


Guts and crew escaped pretty easily. I mean, the apostle soldiers could have gotten by that magic fire wall quick enough to chase after Guts if need be.


You're overanalysing... they got away. Next

I wonder if Griffith or the Godhand even know about the berserk armor?

God Hand:
Assuming they met Skullknight with it on, they must know about it.
Griffith:
could have been informed by anyone who went to Flora's
Title: Re: Episode 257
Post by: Griffith on June 20, 2005, 01:51:08 AM
Guts and crew escaped pretty easily. I mean, the apostle soldiers could have gotten by that magic fire wall quick enough to chase after Guts if need be.

Apparently not.
Title: Re: Episode 257
Post by: Black_Scarlet on June 20, 2005, 11:26:26 AM
Griffith is going to crash the party...


You know what, me and my friends were thinkin the same thing.
Title: Re: Episode 257
Post by: Aazealh on June 20, 2005, 12:54:00 PM
Yeah, I feel the same way, but I'm wondering how much he's put together about Schierke and Guts yet (if he doesn't just know everything anyway because he's like, God on Earth); he must be interested in what he's heard about his old friend recently and all those Apostles that didn't come back from Flora's.

Well, he at least knows the Black Swordsman was at Flora's place, and that he escaped along with some kids. Shouldn't be too hard for him to figure it out if he gets the right information. What matters is whether or not he will get it, and care about it if he does.

So I'm curious to see if he's going to ditch his laissez-faire attitude towards Guts and acknowledge him and his followers as threats, enemies, and official targets of the Hawks.

I've actually been waiting for that myself, for Griffith to finally recognize Guts as a menace. Somehow I feel that he won't consider it a priority even now next to the Kushan invasion, and I wonder if this attitude could be what will eventually bring his downfall.

If he [Griffith] was completely omnipotent it could be boring as a character.

Yeah, I agree, he's probably got some kind of intricate knowledge about the world, but I doubt him to be omniscient (if he was omnipotent there wouldn't be any story :P). If that was the case he wouldn't really need Sonja, and the implications relating to the plot would be really heavy. (Griffith, impossible to surprise or dupe?)

But Sonja has seen both Schierke and Guts and knows they're in the city.  And, no doubt, Zodd and the scarred Grunbeld know the extent of Guts new power.

But did she really see Guts? She saw a distant figure and a mental image from Schierke's mind at best. I'm not saying that it's impossible, but I wouldn't take it for granted that she identified Guts as the Black Swordsman (i.e. the guy that killed apostles at Flora's mansion). As for Grunberd, he probably still ruminates his humiliation, so I'd expect him to be willing to take his revenge at any cost, and of course volunteer to investigate Vritannis' situation.

As far as getting some form of acknowledgement of Guts as a threat, again, more likely the witch would get the attention.

I think I'd be disappointed a bit if Griffith declared Schierke a threat and not Guts, supposing that he'd know she's just a kid and not another Ganishka. Otherwise I think like Mizar that she won't say a lot about her encounter with Schierke, and she probably doesn't think much of it ("I saw pirates! Yay!"). Now maybe she can't hide anything from Griffith, whether she wants it or not.

You know what, me and my friends were thinkin the same thing.

Well, it's not very probable at the moment... Since Guts and co are heading to the party and the familiar is already there, and that the Neo Hawks' camp on the contrary should be a full day's walk away from Vritannis. Griffith could have planned a surprise appearance, but I somehow doubt it.
Title: Re: Episode 257
Post by: Opie on June 20, 2005, 08:19:38 PM
(Griffith, impossible to surprise or dupe?)

Well we've only ever really seen Griffiths plans not work out twice, his claiming of Charlotte to early and not being able to kill Boscone right off the bat at Doldrey. The guy thinks ahead at the very least.
Title: Re: Episode 257
Post by: Aazealh on June 20, 2005, 08:24:48 PM
The guy thinks ahead at the very least.

Sure, but being omniscient? That means literally knowing everything. That Idea's role, not Griffith's. Not only would it be boring as CnC said, but it'd be absurb if Griffith is ever to be defeated.
Title: Re: Episode 257
Post by: CnC on June 20, 2005, 08:34:15 PM

Yeah, I agree, he's probably got some kind of intricate knowledge about the world, but I doubt him to be omniscient (if he was omnipotent there wouldn't be any story :P). If that was the case he wouldn't really need Sonja, and the implications relating to the plot would be really heavy. (Griffith, impossible to surprise or dupe?)

oops. omniscient was the word I was going for.

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But did she really see Guts? She saw a distant figure and a mental image from Schierke's mind at best. I'm not saying that it's impossible, but I wouldn't take it for granted that she identified Guts as the Black Swordsman (i.e. the guy that killed apostles at Flora's mansion). As for Grunberd, he probably still ruminates his humiliation, so I'd expect him to be willing to take his revenge at any cost, and of course volunteer to investigate Vritannis' situation.

Like you said, it would be enough information for Griffith to peice it together.  Sonja seems to be able to see a battlefield well enough at a distance as well as be pretty good with decifering mental imagery.

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I think I'd be disappointed a bit if Griffith declared Schierke a threat and not Guts, supposing that he'd know she's just a kid and not another Ganishka. Otherwise I think like Mizar that she won't say a lot about her encounter with Schierke, and she probably doesn't think much of it ("I saw pirates! Yay!"). Now maybe she can't hide anything from Griffith, whether she wants it or not.

I'd be dissappointed, yes, but it would be another reiterration of how Guts is nothing to Griffith now.  Or at least in speech.
Title: Re: Episode 257
Post by: Opie on June 20, 2005, 10:02:15 PM
Yes but thats what I'm talking about. How can Griffith be so on top of things now in the antagonist role? When he was a human Hawk he was put on pedestal and we were told of how great and near infallible he was but now that he's switched teams are we going to feel differently towards his already established skills? I mean are we going to be bored if Griffith pulls a cunning scheme on Guts the way he did on Foss?

Title: Re: Episode 257
Post by: Aazealh on June 22, 2005, 06:58:38 PM
Congratulations to asmer who won the title guessing contest and thus got his post count increased. ;)

When he was a human Hawk he was put on pedestal and we were told of how great and near infallible he was but now that he's switched teams are we going to feel differently towards his already established skills? I mean are we going to be bored if Griffith pulls a cunning scheme on Guts the way he did on Foss?

If anything, Griffith's skills increased, and his maneuver against Ganishka was brilliantly executed. If we didn't get bored then, we probably won't in the future. This has nothing to do with being omniscient though, it can't be compared at all.
Title: Re: Episode 257
Post by: asmer on June 24, 2005, 11:36:13 AM
Congratulations to asmer who won the title guessing contest and thus got his post count increased. ;)

Wow, thanks! That's great!  :)