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Title: Episode 258
Post by: dwarfkicker on June 21, 2005, 01:17:40 AM
Title: 帰巣 - Homing (http://www.younganimal.com/berserk/sp/05v13.html)

(http://www.younganimal.com/berserk/sp/img/05v13.jpg)



Man I never thought I'd start one of these ;D
Title: Re: Episode 258
Post by: yota821 on June 21, 2005, 01:30:03 AM
I would translate "帰巣”(きそう) as "The Return Home". 

帰 = to return, to come back

巣 = nest (as in a bird's nest)

It seems appropriate for the Hawk of Light to return to its 'nest'. 
Title: Re: Episode 258
Post by: Griffith on June 21, 2005, 02:05:34 AM
Man I never thought I'd start one of these ;D


第258話 千年帝国の鷹篇 鷹都の章 帰巣

http://www.younganimal.com/berserk/sp/img/05v13.jpg

And what a one to start! :o

Fuuuuuhhhhck, it's like the ONLY worthwhile preview EVER, congrats. =)

I would translate "帰巣”(きそう) as "The Return Home". 

帰 = to return, to come back

巣 = nest (as in a bird's nest)

It seems appropriate for the Hawk of Light to return to its 'nest'. 

Also appropriate considering Sonja's rampant bird analogies from a few episodes ago, especially as it's her homecoming.
Title: Re: Episode 258
Post by: CnC on June 21, 2005, 02:07:04 AM
same outfit makes me wonder if he ever has to do laundry...


...but seriously...



...gurifisu-sama!!!
Title: Re: Episode 258
Post by: yota821 on June 21, 2005, 02:34:02 AM
And what a one to start! :o

Fuuuuuhhhhck, it's like the ONLY worthwhile preview EVER, congrats. =)

Also appropriate considering Sonja's rampant bird analogies from a few episodes ago, especially as it's her homecoming.

I wholeheartedly agree.
Title: Re: Episode 258
Post by: Uriel on June 21, 2005, 03:18:48 AM
Wow... I feel fulfilled by a preview... IS THIS AN OMEN, GRIFFITH?! IS IT?!!?
Title: Re: Episode 258
Post by: rick on June 21, 2005, 04:55:18 AM
omg omg omg

so does this mean griffith is returning to midland?

Title: Re: Episode 258
Post by: xechnao on June 21, 2005, 05:23:46 AM
His hair seem unreal...is this unimportant or intentional, storywise- what do ya think?
Title: Re: Episode 258
Post by: SaiyajinNoOuji on June 21, 2005, 05:37:53 AM
His hair seem unreal...is this unimportant or intentional, storywise- what do ya think?
I think you're looking to much into it.  ;)
Title: Re: Episode 258
Post by: bodhista on June 21, 2005, 05:56:35 AM
His hair seem unreal...is this unimportant or intentional, storywise- what do ya think?

He's got his head in the clouds  ;)
Title: Re: Episode 258
Post by: Griffith on June 21, 2005, 06:17:43 AM
Creative speech bubble. =)
Title: Re: Episode 258
Post by: Aazealh on June 21, 2005, 07:13:43 AM
Also appropriate considering Sonja's rampant bird analogies from a few episodes ago, especially as it's her homecoming.

Indeed. And as far as the title goes, I think "homing" or "homecoming" is appropriate.

so does this mean griffith is returning to midland?

Griffith was in Wyndham not so long ago, and it's Midland's capital. It refers to Sonja coming back to the Neo Hawks, IMHO.

I think you're looking to much into it.  ;)

Ditto. It's just otherworldly beautiful hair xech. ;)
Title: Re: Episode 258
Post by: krumm47 on June 21, 2005, 07:16:59 AM
Creative speech bubble. =)

Exactly what I was thinking!!

Anyway, it's amazing that a simple picture of Griffith can cause such a stir among you people. Maybe I'm not jittering with excitement [as much] because I've only recently caught up with releases, and thus, Griffith's last appearance in the manga seems pretty recent to me. But now that I think about it, Griffith's last appearance was probably about 4 or 5 volumes ago (rough estimate based on my horrible memory; please don't kill me if my estimate is off  :-[), which equates to about 3 or 4 years ago!!  :o

You guys have reason to be excited ;).
Title: Re: Episode 258
Post by: Aazealh on June 21, 2005, 07:21:31 AM
now that I think about it, Griffith's last appearance was probably about 5 or 6 volumes ago, which equates to about 3 or 4 years ago  :o .

He appeared in volume 27, when he rescued Charlotte from Ganishka. But it had been a while since we saw him before that, and the story didn't focus on him for long last time (just during episode 235, basically).
Title: Re: Episode 258
Post by: krumm47 on June 21, 2005, 07:25:26 AM
He appeared in volume 27, when he rescued Charlotte from Ganishka. But it had been a while since we saw him before that, and the story didn't focus on him for long last time (just during episode 235, basically).

Haha, after editing my post to hopefully reduce the possible chance of error (from 5-6 volumes, to 4-5 volumes) I was still a bit out  ::).  Ah well...

Title: Re: Episode 258
Post by: yota821 on June 21, 2005, 07:59:01 AM
Homing?  I could understand homecoming, but homing?  As in homing missile?  As in homing beacon? As in homing..............in?  Maybe I'm just too pragmatic or something, I'm just not too comfortable using 'homing' as a title.  Maybe 'homing nest' or something.
Title: Re: Episode 258
Post by: Aazealh on June 21, 2005, 08:12:59 AM
Homing?  I could understand homecoming, but homing?  As in homing missile?  As in homing beacon?

As in homing instinct or homing pigeon. Like for birds.

Homing \Hom"ing\, a.
adj: Orienting or directing homeward or to a destination; Home-returning;

The term is used for birds specifically, it fits the context quite well IMHO.
Title: Re: Episode 258
Post by: yota821 on June 21, 2005, 08:18:39 AM
^^Hmmm, pretty cool.  But since it's an adjective, it's kinda weird for it to be used alone.   Not that I'm complaining or anything.
Title: Re: Episode 258
Post by: puella on June 21, 2005, 08:24:37 AM
But since it's an adjective, it's kinda weird for it to be used alone.   

It's also a noun.
Title: Re: Episode 258
Post by: Aazealh on June 21, 2005, 08:34:46 AM
^^Hmmm, pretty cool.  But since it's an adjective, it's kinda weird for it to be used alone.   Not that I'm complaining or anything.

Well, it embodies pretty well the feeling of "returning home" while adding a birdish connotation to it (and it's concise, too). It's true that using it alone would be weird since it's an adjective though; I thought of it more as a gerund actually, I'm not sure whether it can be used that way or not.

EDIT:
It's also a noun.

Ah well then, I guess it's fine.
Title: Re: Episode 258
Post by: SaiyajinNoOuji on June 21, 2005, 10:15:29 AM
Creative speech bubble. =)

I was kinda thinking that to, but I knew better  ;D
Title: Re: Episode 258
Post by: Psymont 2.0 on June 21, 2005, 12:19:54 PM
OMG i saw this preview and i started weeping like a russian teeny bopper at a michael jackson concert...  :'(
Title: Re: Episode 258
Post by: The Lamb on June 21, 2005, 05:34:49 PM
I think our eye is supposed to follow Griffith up from his boots all the way to the clouds, via his cloudy hair.  :)
Title: Re: Episode 258
Post by: Smith on June 21, 2005, 05:57:45 PM
It is simply amazing... Just a picture of Griffith in his usual post...  :o
Title: Re: Episode 258
Post by: Vaxillus on June 21, 2005, 09:37:24 PM
homing pigeon
I hear their was a program to train pigeons to guide missiles by pecking the target on a sreen, but the training was too expensive for a one use pigeon.

Anyway, that is a great preview.  Griffith's hair does seem a bit untextured for one of Miura's drawings though.
Title: Re: Episode 258
Post by: demosthenes on June 21, 2005, 11:18:06 PM
I hear their was a program to train pigeons to guide missiles by pecking the target on a sreen, but the training was too expensive for a one use pigeon.

Anyway, that is a great preview.  Griffith's hair does seem a bit untextured for one of Miura's drawings though.

thats probably cause theres text in it...
Title: Re: Episode 258
Post by: Tell Me Why on June 21, 2005, 11:19:37 PM
Looks like it'll be a great volume. By the way, has Guts ever met Griffith since he got the Berserker's Armor? I don't remember much. It's been a long time since I've read the previous episodes.
Title: Re: Episode 258
Post by: yota821 on June 22, 2005, 12:51:18 AM
Nope, he hasn't.
Title: Re: Episode 258
Post by: Walter on June 22, 2005, 01:15:37 AM
"Homing" , "Homecoming", "Homeward Bound", anyway you slice it, this looks to be the episode I've been waiting for  :)
Title: Re: Episode 258
Post by: Vaxillus on June 22, 2005, 05:38:54 AM
thats probably cause theres text in it...
That's just speculation.
Title: Re: Episode 258
Post by: Aazealh on June 22, 2005, 08:54:40 AM
I hear their was a program to train pigeons to guide missiles by pecking the target on a sreen, but the training was too expensive for a one use pigeon.

Great. There's also an IP Over Avian Carriers protocol, it's the RFC 1149.

thats probably cause theres text in it...

Yeah, right.

"Homing" , "Homecoming", "Homeward Bound", anyway you slice it, this looks to be the episode I've been waiting for  :)

It's indeed promising, although I doubt the story to focus on Griffith for long this time, it's too early considering the events going on in Vritannis with Guts and co in my opinion. I think we might switch sides for a while once they finally set off to Elfhelm.

That's just speculation.

And he used the word "probably"...
Title: Re: Episode 258
Post by: SaiyajinNoOuji on June 22, 2005, 09:39:31 AM
Great. There's also an IP Over Avian Carriers protocol, it's the RFC 1149.

I also hear that to use this protocol, you have you to have the ID10-T form filled out.

Anyways, im awaiting to see Griffith come strolling into town. I also wonder who else is going to be with him other then Sonja.. perhaps a down in the dumps Grunbeld?  ;D  I suppose time will only tell.
Title: Re: Episode 258
Post by: Freddy C on June 22, 2005, 03:24:45 PM
Great preview, but can't help to think that the preview page will  be on the final few pages of the episode, still very excited to see him back.
Title: Re: Episode 258
Post by: Some Guy on June 22, 2005, 06:02:24 PM
YES! ;D

I've been waiting for the focus to bet back the the Band of the Hawk since Charlotte's rescue.

but can't help to think that the preview page will  be on the final few pages of the episode

I don't think so, all of the previews I've seen were in the first half of the episode, and I doubt this will be an exception
Title: Re: Episode 258
Post by: Rickert on June 22, 2005, 06:33:16 PM
Not to 'oversymobolize' (whatever), but it seems that Griffith is looking forward, and that may also mean doing a step forward again. I expect some serieus action (the long awaited attack?)...

what did Miura mean with the cloudy hairstyle anyway..? :)

Title: Re: Episode 258
Post by: MaN on June 22, 2005, 06:44:47 PM
Yaayy. I wonder how the episode previews are done. Does an assistant pick a panel and then white out the dialogue. Seems that way as mentioned by others here before...

Anyway nice to see a preview that generates more excitement than usual....

It's indeed promising, although I doubt the story to focus on Griffith for long this time, it's too early considering the events going on in Vritannis with Guts and co in my opinion. I think we might switch sides for a while once they finally set off to Elfhelm.

I agree but then again Miura has dropped obvious plot lines for others only to bring them together a few episodes later. I think it also gives him a little chance to work on something new... change of pace  :)
Title: Re: Episode 258
Post by: Mizar on June 22, 2005, 07:31:46 PM
thats probably cause theres text in it...

Yeah, right.


(http://img44.echo.cx/img44/5017/pucky1fs.jpg)

Special Bonus question: from which volume is this image? You receive extra points if you give the correct page number as well. :D
Title: Re: Episode 258
Post by: Aazealh on June 22, 2005, 07:50:44 PM
I also hear that to use this protocol, you have you to have the ID10-T form filled out.

Hahah, well I know it was used at least once. ;D

I wonder how the episode previews are done. Does an assistant pick a panel and then white out the dialogue.

They're probably just selected from raw panels and sent to Hakusensha. And I'd think that Miura chooses them himself.

Special Bonus question: from which volume is this image? You receive extra points if you give the correct page number as well. :D

Volume 1, page 77.
Title: Re: Episode 258
Post by: Judo on June 22, 2005, 08:37:31 PM
...all of the previews I've seen were in the first half of the episode

the preview-pic of the last episode(257) was taken from page 14.
Title: Re: Episode 258
Post by: CnC on June 23, 2005, 03:49:51 AM
 people are reading too much into the cloudy hair.  Its style, baby, style...

people are missing the bigger question here...

Do reincarnated god hands need haircuts?
Title: Re: Episode 258
Post by: Aazealh on June 23, 2005, 06:31:08 AM
It's nice to actually see Irvine talking. A lot of talking goes on in this episode actually, I bet a lot of people will complain. :P Seems to focus on the Charlotte/Sonja rivalry. I was actually surprised to see Charlotte dressed as a commoner, making a cake and all, I really didn't expect that. It's sort of logical though, going by the Neo Hawks' way of life (plus they're on a campaign).

PS: Irvine = Judo!?!? :o
Title: Re: Episode 258
Post by: Griffith on June 23, 2005, 07:29:37 AM
Irvine = Judo!?!? :o

(http://www.skullknight.net/griffith/judoremix.jpg)

Totally.
Title: Re: Episode 258
Post by: krumm47 on June 23, 2005, 07:34:07 AM
Well, now it's confirmed: Griffith's hair is NOT a speech bubble.  ::)

Now, onto more pressing matters, the next episode is seemingly coming on the 22nd of July. Another break?! Gee... (Background information: The 22nd of July is my birthday  ;D)

Anyway, can't wait for a translation. It shall be awesome.  :)
Title: Re: Episode 258
Post by: SaiyajinNoOuji on June 23, 2005, 10:32:58 AM
http://www.skullknight.net/griffith/judoremix.jpg

Totally.
I love you
Title: Re: Episode 258
Post by: puella on June 23, 2005, 10:58:35 AM
http://www.skullknight.net/griffith/judoremix.jpg

Totally.

Griffith, I had thought you did a photoshop job (the guitar...but it was a real thing) before I checked the episode!
Sorry, I have a very crappy sight and I'm careless as well. ;D

Anyway, Irvine called himself "a hunter". Interesting.
Title: Re: Episode 258
Post by: Woland on June 23, 2005, 12:01:49 PM
Wow, Irvine actually seems...nice.
Title: Re: Episode 258
Post by: mahlernut on June 23, 2005, 12:56:30 PM
Wow, Irvine actually seems...nice.

Of course, so does Griffith ;)  And that never ceases to creep me out  XD 

Nice episode, and good to see some nice character moments for Irvine, though the thought of another month-long break makes me sad.
Title: Re: Episode 258
Post by: Aazealh on June 23, 2005, 12:58:52 PM
The color poster was an illustration used in the TCG, it's very nice and fitting but I honestly was expecting something new. Can't blame Miura after all the paintings he did for the TCG though, I just wish an artbook would come out. We'll probably have to wait at least until next year.

Wow, Irvine actually seems...nice.

Yup, despite having creepy Rochine-like eyes on page 15 (and not just plain white).
Title: Re: Episode 258
Post by: CnC on June 23, 2005, 01:08:45 PM
Thanks guys, good episode
Title: Re: Episode 258
Post by: BiQ-- on June 23, 2005, 03:33:57 PM
Wow. Really good stuff. Thanks. :) About time we got to see these guys again. Charlotte seems to be changing somehow. Or maybe it's just me, surprised to see the former princess do things that are normally done by peasant women. Of course, it's the situation they are in right now and there's nothing to be really surprised about but it still makes for a weird (not a bad way) feeling to actually see it.

... but it's a month-long wait again before the next one... :( Well, when the art is as fantastic as Berserk's, there's no point in wanting to hurry it.

Title: Re: Episode 258
Post by: Hippie on June 23, 2005, 04:24:22 PM
Nice episode.  Irvine seems to be an interesting character now.  Hope they do more with him :)
Title: Re: Episode 258
Post by: Tell Me Why on June 23, 2005, 05:00:11 PM
I find it kind of weird that they have Princess Charlotte cooking for them. I mean, doesn't Griffith consider her more important than that? Or is it the kind of place where everyone gets fair treatment?
Title: Re: Episode 258
Post by: kimchan on June 23, 2005, 05:01:58 PM
Quote
I find it kind of weird that they have Princess Charlotte cooking for them. I mean, doesn't Griffith consider her more important than that? Or is it the kind of place where everyone gets fair treatment?

I'd imagine in a time of war when everyone's pretty busy with preparations and such, they need all the help they can get.  There wasn't really any indication that she cooks all the time, this seemed more like Charlotte was trying to surprise Griffith with some kind of treat.  Maybe she does cook a lot, I don't know.     


Probably not worth much as far as new plot twists go, but I thought Irvine's words were very interesting.  Particularly:

Irvine: For several days you run through nature and keep chasing prey.
Irvine: You hide alone deep into the forest.
Irvine: Night after night, until you lose any sense of time, and then...
Sonja: and then?
Irvine: ....before you know it, you have become an animal (beast) yourself.
 

(Thanks to Mizar for the translation)

Sounds a lot like Guts and his Black Swordsman phase, if you change "days" to "years."


Overall, a very good episode (Irvine actually has an identity of some sort finally!).
Title: Re: Episode 258
Post by: Griffith on June 23, 2005, 05:27:32 PM
Speaking of which, here's some pedestrian speculation, but Hell, it came to mind when I read it; perhaps Irvine will be given the job of hunting down a certain Beast, indeed. ;D

Yeah, sorry, pretty lame, but he seems like he'd have the best chance if push came to shove, seeing as he wouldn't need to get close. Although, if they're all going to come to blows, he's a perfect match for Serpico; arrows, wind, and whatnot (plus they're both skinny guys =). Anyway, thankfully, that concludes my Berserk: King of the Fighters portion of the post.

I wonder if we'll stick with the hawks for awhile up until the attack again, or if we'll jump right back. If it cuts back, it looks to me like maybe Sonja will help Schierke and the group escape from Vritannis before all is said and done (random speculation of the day =).
Title: Re: Episode 258
Post by: Uriel on June 23, 2005, 05:35:11 PM
Page 04 needs to be coloured so badly... 'love it.

But that was the episode I was longing for. Berserk seems more complete when Griffith shows up and lets us peer into the window of his world. I was especially moved by seeing Griffith being so... well, like his old self. It scares me to think he is being that same old charismatic chap with his playful faces -- but at the same time you can never forget what he has done and who he "is" now. Miura is a genius in his own right.

As for Irvine, I always thought he was the kickass silent type -- so I am by no means disappointed to find out he actually is :P He doesn't really remind me of Judo really, other than he the way he looks... meh, I need to see more of him to get a clearer idea of his identity. He doesn't seem like a Beast -- in Guts' terms at least.

And does anyone want to take a shot at interpreting the last caption?

'That night I had a dream
A dream about a kite and an owl, playing in the moonlit forest.'
[/list]

I'd love to go into it right now -- but one must depart this computer and go forth into the outside world ;)
Title: Re: Episode 258
Post by: Aazealh on June 23, 2005, 05:40:50 PM
Nice episode.  Irvine seems to be an interesting character now.  Hope they do more with him :)

Well he was an interesting character before... At least to me.

Probably not worth much as far as new plot twists go, but I thought Irvine's words were very interesting.

Yeah, I'm actually very interested in that specific line:

Irvine: ....before you know it, you have become an animal (beast) yourself.

Reminds me of an analogy to becoming an apostle, just random speculation though.

perhaps Irvine will be given the job of hunting down a certain Beast, indeed. ;D

I actually often thought about what a Guts/Irvine match would be like, Guts dodging arrows falling down the sky at light-speed, stuff like that. It's true he's the one that would have the biggest advantage over him, armor or not.

Although, if they're all going to come to blows, he's a perfect match for Serpico; arrows, wind, and whatnot (plus they're both skinny guys =).

My thoughts exactly. ;D

I wonder if we'll stick with the hawks for awhile up until the attack again, or if we'll jump right back.

Same here, no way to guess what Miura would choose (well, chose 6 months ago) to do. I'm not sure about Sonja helping Schierke and the others, I feel that the two won't be meeting for a long while, but it's true that it remains a possibility, especially since she didn't say anything specific about her encounter to anybody.

He doesn't seem like a Beast -- in Guts' terms at least.

Notice how we've never seen his ears though... :-X

    'That night I had a dream
    A dream about a kite and an owl, playing in the moonlit forest.'
    [/list]

    Sonja dreamed of herself and Schierke having a good time together?
    Title: Re: Episode 258
    Post by: Griffith on June 23, 2005, 05:44:06 PM
    And does anyone want to take a shot at interpreting the last caption?

      'That night I had a dream
      A dream about a kite and an owl, playing in the moonlit forest.'
      [/list]

      Hot Sonja and Schierke lesbian action! Miura is going to jail.

      Seriously, she seems to feel more kinship with Schierke than with Griffith at the moment, so that kinship and her current disenfranchisement with the Hawks is obviously going to come into play down the road. Miura didn't just do this episode so we could see Charlotte cooking hot cakes (though, they were apparently delicious), so I'm looking for something to happen in the near future where Sonja maybe betrays Griffith to help Schierke.

      Also, Irvine is quite the charismatic and laconic fellow, I hope we get to see more of him in Vritannis (his last attack didn't go so well, but the quality of opponent must be considered =).
      Title: Re: Episode 258
      Post by: xechnao on June 23, 2005, 06:31:05 PM
      Charlotte seems to be changing somehow. Or maybe it's just me, surprised to see the former princess do things that are normally done by peasant women. Of course, it's the situation they are in right now and there's nothing to be really surprised about but it still makes for a weird (not a bad way) feeling to actually see it.

      It's a woman's creativity. Do you remember how many decorative garments she had made?


      Probably not worth much as far as new plot twists go, but I thought Irvine's words were very interesting.  Particularly:

      Irvine: For several days you run through nature and keep chasing prey.
      Irvine: You hide alone deep into the forest.
      Irvine: Night after night, until you lose any sense of time, and then...
      Sonja: and then?
      Irvine: ....before you know it, you have become an animal (beast) yourself.
       

      (Thanks to Mizar for the translation)

      Sounds a lot like Guts and his Black Swordsman phase, if you change "days" to "years."

      Overall, a very good episode (Irvine actually has an identity of some sort finally!).

      Seems not an apostle to me. Perhaps "hunters" refers to a cult or something, kinda like the bakiraka.
      Title: Re: Episode 258
      Post by: Walter on June 23, 2005, 06:53:51 PM
      Great episode.  It's delightfully surreal to see Griffith eating a sweet cake, with crumbs on his mouth.  I also openly welcome the sentimentality Miura uses with Irvine's fire-side chat, chaining us further to the Band. Thanks as always to those who found the scans, and to Mizar. 

       So far, no one's mentioned Griffith in the moonlight at the end of the episode.  Is the returning of souls a nightly ritual?  Anyway, onto the quotes:

      I find it kind of weird that they have Princess Charlotte cooking for them. I mean, doesn't Griffith consider her more important than that? Or is it the kind of place where everyone gets fair treatment?
      maybe it's just me, surprised to see the former princess do things that are normally done by peasant women.
      If you'll remember, Griffith expressed a pretty regimented hatred for nobles who didn't get their hands dirty.  Charlotte baking in a commoners clothes seems natural to me.

      Seems not an apostle to me. Perhaps "hunters" refers to a cult or something, kinda like the bakiraka.

      Or maybe he just meant he's a hunter...
      Title: Re: Episode 258
      Post by: xechnao on June 23, 2005, 07:04:34 PM
      Well, now it's confirmed: Griffith's hair is NOT a speech bubble.  ::)

      Charlotte: It's like a painting.....
      Charlotte: a slice of eternity....
      Charlotte: It feels like..... you aren't supposed to touch it.....

       ;)
      Title: Re: Episode 258
      Post by: Mizar on June 23, 2005, 07:06:37 PM
      Irvine: For several days you run through nature and keep chasing prey.
      Irvine: You hide alone deep into the forest.
      Irvine: Night after night, until you lose any sense of time, and then...
      Sonja: and then?
      Irvine: ....before you know it, you have become an animal (beast) yourself.
       

      (Thanks to Mizar for the translation)

      Sounds a lot like Guts and his Black Swordsman phase, if you change "days" to "years."

      Yeah, I personally was thinking of the line "He who fights with monsters might take care, lest he thereby become a monster."
      After all, Miura loves Nietzsche. ;)

      By the way, I have patched the above translation up a bit to make it flow a bit better:

      Irvine: For days you continue to hunt your prey running through the wilderness. You hide alone deep in the forest.
      Irvine: Night after night, until you lose any sense of time, and then...
      Sonja: and then?
      Irvine: ....before you know it, you have become an animal (beast) yourself.
      Title: Re: Episode 258
      Post by: C on June 23, 2005, 08:45:12 PM
      Excellent episode, thanks!  8) Irvine's eyes are kind of freaky, oh well, must hurry to do errands!  :(

       - C
      Title: Re: Episode 258
      Post by: DefaultJ!! on June 23, 2005, 09:06:32 PM
      great episode... its always kinda weird to see some of the higher level apostles in Griffith's army like Irvine or Locus in normal situations just talking. They're quite unlike the more 'classic' apostles who are all obviously crazy in some way (the count chopping people up and eating them, Zodd's prophecying and search for fights, Wyald, etc).

      I think I prefer reading about Guts' little party and their going-ons over the neo-hawks though. 
      Title: Re: Episode 258
      Post by: Nox on June 23, 2005, 09:12:42 PM
      out already!?
      that was fast, thanks for the scans and translation ^_^

      I was wondering when we were going to know something about Irvine, looks pretty interesting :D

      and about Griffith.......since he was reincarnated i got the feeling he was so........unreachable, inhuman, but in this episode he even smiles!, i never thought i would see that again, just like his former self

      nice ep! =D
      Title: Re: Episode 258
      Post by: Mizar on June 23, 2005, 09:31:05 PM
      By the way, who else loved Sonja's expression in the final panel of page 10? I thought that really spoke volumes about her rebellious character and stance towards the relationship between Griffith and Charlotte. ;D
      Title: Re: Episode 258
      Post by: bodhista on June 23, 2005, 11:24:43 PM
      Great episode, thanks for the scans and translations! 
      I'm really glad that we finally got to see the hawks again, and it's a nice break from Guts and co.  Hopefully it won't just be a one off deal, I would like to see more of the hawks before we go back to the mayhem that will be the Kushan invasion! 
      Too bad we have to wait another month though!
      Title: Re: Episode 258
      Post by: Vaxillus on June 24, 2005, 01:18:25 AM
      Maybe the month long delay will mean a really awesomely drawn fight scene for the invasion?  Prolly' just me and my wild speculations, but it would be awesome.

      As for this episode, even before reading the translations I like it.  Everything about it has a very homy feel (suitable for the title).  I'm also glad Irvine got some character developement.  I have a feeling he might play a slightly more characterful role than some of the other apostles (other than Zodd).  Gurunberd is too busy being big and proud and Locus seems to be more of a military person than a socializer.  Maybe we'll see a Irvine/Sonja relationship form, not romantic but perhaps like protective father figure and vulnerable daughter?  Of course, this is a lot of speculation for just a few pages of chatting.
      Title: Re: Episode 258
      Post by: Tell Me Why on June 24, 2005, 01:59:42 AM
      By the way, who else loved Sonja's expression in the final panel of page 10? I thought that really spoke volumes about her rebellious character and stance towards the relationship between Griffith and Charlotte. ;D

      Yea, she looked like she wanted to dirty things with that facial expression.
      Title: Re: Episode 258
      Post by: dwarfkicker on June 24, 2005, 04:07:24 AM
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      Great episode.  It's delightfully surreal to see Griffith eating a sweet cake, with crumbs on his mouth.  I also openly welcome the sentimentality Miura uses with Irvine's fire-side chat, chaining us further to the Band.

      Perhaps Miura wants us to get attached to the Neo Band of the Hawks like we did with the Band of the Hawks.  Letting us see them in a different light so that when they fall we may feel a certain bitterness toward Guts or feel sympathetic to the fallen Apostle.

      Page 9, center pannel, Griffith's eyes.  I don't know what it is but that image of Griffith stands out.  His eyes make him seem like he is more than he appears.  The eyes "seem" somewhat similar to Femto's.  I don't know why but that is a real standout for me in the episode.
      Title: Re: Episode 258
      Post by: Griffith on June 24, 2005, 04:56:10 AM
      Perhaps Miura wants us to get attached to the Neo Band of the Hawks like we did with the Band of the Hawks.  Letting us see them in a different light so that when they fall we may feel a certain bitterness toward Guts or feel sympathetic to the fallen Apostle.

      I don't think it's such deliberate or clumsy manipulation, just general fleshing out of the characters; more foundation for and threads to tie together for the coming crescendo in Vritannis.

      Anyway, does it make you root against Guts? ;D

      Page 9, center pannel, Griffith's eyes.  I don't know what it is but that image of Griffith stands out.  His eyes make him seem like he is more than he appears.  The eyes "seem" somewhat similar to Femto's.  I don't know why but that is a real standout for me in the episode.

      It's one of the more down to Earth Griffith shots since the rebirth (eating cake, no less =), somewhat of a throwback, except of course for the eyes, as you pointed out. Though, they've always been like that since the rebirth, and Femto's pupils are white, which his eyes do change to sometimes BTW. So, I don't think it's of any more significance than usual, he always looks otherworldly now; that lighthearted moment just contrasts with the more sinister nature we all know so well it sticks out. Afterall, unlike a lot of the current Hawks, we know the beauty is only skin deep over the beast. :)
      Title: Re: Episode 258
      Post by: Opie on June 24, 2005, 06:15:00 AM
      This whole thing can't end well for Charlotte...and that really makes me sad.
      Title: Re: Episode 258
      Post by: Hippie on June 24, 2005, 08:22:22 AM
      Well he was an interesting character before... At least to me.

      Now they have actually given him more development, which is what I wanted to see him get in the first place.  Out of all the neo hawks, to me he had the most potential. I'm just glad to see they are playing it up now.

      Thats what I meant by making him "more interesting".  They are taking the time to develop him and show us more of him.
      Title: Re: Episode 258
      Post by: Smith on June 24, 2005, 10:37:11 AM
      Thanks for the scans... Irvine look weird in some way...

      Nice character development, next one will be forcus on Rakshas?

      Title: Re: Episode 258
      Post by: MaN on June 24, 2005, 07:13:31 PM
      Thats what I meant by making him "more interesting".  They are taking the time to develop him and show us more of him.

      Well I think speculation about characters is what makes them interesting and as a character Irvine leaves a lot to speculate about :)

      Anyway I guess we should just sit on our behinds for yet another month. I wonder if Miura gets some perverse pleasure out of making his fans wait in anticipation. Can almost see him laughing like an apostle  :o

      And as for dropping story lines and picking other ones .Its seems as if he doesn't want us to forget any character for too long. Apprearance of Azan out of the blue and then disappearing back into the black seems to follow this pretty well.
      Title: Re: Episode 258
      Post by: DefaultJ!! on June 24, 2005, 08:35:59 PM
      Thanks for the scans... Irvine look weird in some way...

      Nice character development, next one will be forcus on Rakshas?



      I hope so, Rakshas seems to be one of the more mysterious characters. He almost seems he can fly, we've never seen his face, and he seems to know a lot about both Griffith and Ganishka.
      Title: Re: Episode 258
      Post by: Wii wii wii on June 25, 2005, 02:09:22 AM
      Maybe we'll see a Irvine/Sonja relationship form, not romantic but perhaps like protective father figure and vulnerable daughter? 
      Somehow I doubt it, Irvine so far at least seems like too much of a lone badass to really form that kind've relationship with Sonja. Granted he'd probably protect her if she were threatened(ala Grunbeld protecting her and Mule) but I don't think it will go beyond that. Sure he's a nice guy, and even Guts the original lone badass has his own little posse, but I don't think the hunter is out to form a relationship of any sort right now.
      Title: Re: Episode 258
      Post by: Aazealh on June 25, 2005, 08:28:13 AM
      he'd probably protect her if she were threatened(ala Grunbeld protecting her and Mule)

      Well, it's actually Irvine that saved Mule back then. ;)
      Title: Re: Episode 258
      Post by: Vaxillus on June 25, 2005, 06:52:12 PM
      And as for dropping story lines and picking other ones .Its seems as if he doesn't want us to forget any character for too long. Apprearance of Azan out of the blue and then disappearing back into the black seems to follow this pretty well.
      I have a feeling Azan will make an appearance in the city when it's attacked.  Maybe he'll even join Guts' band.
      Title: Re: Episode 258
      Post by: demosthenes on June 25, 2005, 08:51:52 PM
      I have a feeling Azan will make an appearance in the city when it's attacked.  Maybe he'll even join Guts' band.

      now thats something i look forward to.  maybe even guts forming a little army of his own..?
      Title: Re: Episode 258
      Post by: IgnusDei on June 25, 2005, 11:38:29 PM
      I always liked to imagine that he does raise one of his own, with his current little gang as the officers.

      although i believe that Guts covertly thwarting griffith would be preferable (from an author's POV) to him leading an army. It's been done to death, already.

      Title: Re: Episode 258
      Post by: Walter on June 25, 2005, 11:56:33 PM
      I always liked to imagine that he does raise one of his own, with his current little gang as the officers.
      Guts doesn't need an army. He is one.
      Title: Re: Episode 258
      Post by: handsome rakshas on June 26, 2005, 01:57:23 AM
      AMAZING EPISODE!
      Irvine playing an apostle banjo?
      BRILLIANT!
      Getting to know Irvine on a personal level?
      INTERESTING!
      Griffith enjoying a piece of cake?
      DELICIOUS!

      Great episode but WHERE"S THE 'SHAS?

      tune in next time....
      Title: Re: Episode 258
      Post by: Smith on June 26, 2005, 04:24:11 AM
      Sure he's a nice guy,


      I wonder if that was really the case...


      Majority of the apostle are evil right?
      Title: Re: Episode 258
      Post by: CnC on June 26, 2005, 04:36:49 AM
      AMAZING EPISODE!
      Irvine playing an apostle banjo?
      BRILLIANT!
      Getting to know Irvine on a personal level?
      INTERESTING!
      Griffith enjoying a piece of cake?
      DELICIOUS!

      Great episode but WHERE"S THE 'SHAS?

      tune in next time....

      funny review... I laughed at this one...
      Title: Re: Episode 258
      Post by: demosthenes on June 27, 2005, 08:17:18 PM
      Guts doesn't need an army. He is one.

      that is true.
      that is true.

      but they could do his bitch work.
      Title: Re: Episode 258
      Post by: Sparnage on June 28, 2005, 06:14:45 PM
      Good to see a switchover from Guts' story, though I hope it doesn't last too long as Guts' side is just reaching the climax, and I'd rather not wait a 5 months to find out how it ends up. It seems to early to tell what is going to happen with Griffith and his team at this point in time so I'm not going to make any indepth speculations seeing he was doing nothing but looking all hot and charismatic in this chapter.

      In any case episode 257 ending with Guts; I don't believe it will last as long as last time before switching to Griffith's side because last time Guts's story was ended at a more appropriate time before showing the story more revolved around Griffith.

      BTW Another month before the next episode again? "Sigh"
      Title: Re: Episode 258
      Post by: Uriel on July 07, 2005, 03:07:02 PM
      BTW Another month before the next episode again? "Sigh"
      Is it really? Le sigh indeed.
      Title: Re: Episode 258
      Post by: SaiyajinNoOuji on July 07, 2005, 09:32:54 PM
      Is it really? Le sigh indeed.
      Uriel, what up dude!   ;D

      Title: Re: Episode 258
      Post by: Uriel on July 07, 2005, 10:38:10 PM
      Just lurkin' 8)
      Title: Re: Episode 258
      Post by: Khorne on July 09, 2005, 05:48:12 PM
      Just lurkin' 8)
      This one is also lurking.
      Edit......interesting, about half of my posts have disappeared.
      Title: Re: Episode 258
      Post by: Aazealh on July 15, 2005, 03:17:01 PM
      Another month before the next episode again? "Sigh"

      Actually since you guys are talking about it, here's an anecdotic story about the breaks I've been meaning to post for a while, it's a quote of Miura from the recently released Young Animal (#14, on July, 08th).

      He had a small message publicated that was addressed to Eri-chin, a fellow mangaka, congratulating him for the 50th serialisation of the manga "Mitamura-kun". He said that while he spends his time thinking about details of Berserk such as Guts' repeating crossbow (he did mention it specifically), Eri-chin's manga progresses quickly and is becoming very popular. Then he added that Eri-chin doesn't take breaks and keeps producing good quality material, unlike some guy he knows but that he can't name (it's some sort of funny comment, he's obviously referring to himself).

      He finished by saying that Eri-chin was a rare and outstanding mangaka, because while normally mangaka tend to represent some sort of ideal when drawing the other gender, he doesn't (Miura thinks that it's normally impossible for male mangaka to describe females like Eri-chin does). He said he wanted to take off his hat to his great talent, and told YA's editorial staff to encourage that kind of things.

      Though it isn't very apparent in my summary, Miura's not thinking lightly of his breaks, and seems to be bothered by them. The fact he actually went through the trouble of mentioning it while congratulating another mangaka says a lot about it, IMHO.
      Title: Re: Episode 258
      Post by: -rob- on September 03, 2005, 07:52:06 PM
      LOL I remember last month in that Live Chat thing on here I remember someone telling me Charlotte baked Griffith cookies. I thought for sure they were just fucking with me LOL I can't believe this actually happened...

      Yeah though this was a great episode thanks to whoever translated it and posted the scans.
      Title: Re: Episode 258
      Post by: Alucalb on September 04, 2005, 12:32:38 AM
      Irvine playing an apostle banjo?

      It's not a banjo!! :miura: