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Title: Episode 259
Post by: Yukimura on July 14, 2005, 04:19:52 AM
Episode 259: 妖虎 - Demon Tiger (http://www.younganimal.com/berserk/sp/05v15.html)

(http://www.younganimal.com/berserk/sp/img/05v15.jpg)
Title: Re: Episode 259
Post by: Walter on July 14, 2005, 04:21:17 AM
Somebody get this cat a toothpick.
Title: Re: Episode 259
Post by: TheSkyTraveller on July 14, 2005, 04:24:22 AM
Freaky.  What's that in his mouth?  His tongue?
Title: Re: Episode 259
Post by: Yukimura on July 14, 2005, 04:34:51 AM
Remind you of something?
http://images.amazon.com/images/P/1932234519.01._SCLZZZZZZZ_.jpg
After all The Guin Saga is a major influence.
Title: Re: Episode 259
Post by: Walter on July 14, 2005, 05:15:43 AM
Freaky.  What's that in his mouth?  His tongue?
Looks like entrails. Hence my toothpick comment  :guts: Check out the lips. There's blood.

As for the Guins saga reference... well, maybe?  Personally, I think a tiger just makes sense to be a Kushan familiar. And the eyes do confirm that it's a familiar, btw.
Title: Re: Episode 259
Post by: SaiyajinNoOuji on July 14, 2005, 05:31:38 AM
Hmm this over grown cat me just be able to lure the Beast out from guts! It would be like some wacky zany fun with Guts in beast form chasing this cat all over the place!  :guts:
Title: Re: Episode 259
Post by: docster on July 14, 2005, 05:57:15 AM
Come here! Kitty! Kitty! Kitty!

Why does all the Kushan's monsters have similar teeth?
Title: Re: Episode 259
Post by: SaiyajinNoOuji on July 14, 2005, 06:04:44 AM
Come here! Kitty! Kitty! Kitty!

Why does all the Kushan's monsters have similar teeth?
Cause of their leader Ganishka (sp?) He has the same type of teeth and as Walter has stated, the cat is a Familier of his.
Title: Re: Episode 259
Post by: Aazealh on July 14, 2005, 08:23:23 AM
Remind you of something? After all The Guin Saga is a major influence.

I don't think so honestly, it really wouldn't be much of a reference... Guin's mask doesn't even represent a tiger, but a leopard.

Looks like entrails. Hence my toothpick comment  :guts: Check out the lips. There's blood.

Yeah, looks like entrails to me too.

Why does all the Kushan's monsters have similar teeth?

As Saiya said, it's because they're all creations of Ganishka and his priests. The Daka also sport similar teeth.

That's an early preview anyway, because of the break I guess. All for the better though. The title appears to be something like "magic tiger" or "evil tiger", etc. I'm not sure what to expect in this episode, 20 pages about a familiar? :schierke: I'm pretty sure Farnese will reintegrate the group at least (well I hope).
Title: Re: Episode 259
Post by: Smith on July 14, 2005, 11:56:36 AM
Finally after so long... Its out again haha...



Btw i doubt this beast is capable of bring Guts beast out IMO  :carcus:
Title: Re: Episode 259
Post by: Mizar on July 14, 2005, 12:29:46 PM
Nice early preview. :badbone:

But I think I would translate the title rather as 'Menacing/Threatening/Sinister/Suspicious Tiger' or something. 'Magic Tiger' sounds a bit weird imho.
Title: Re: Episode 259
Post by: xechnao on July 14, 2005, 01:24:53 PM
As Saiya said, it's because they're all creations of Ganishka and his priests. The Daka also sport similar teeth.

Yeah, and they were also using other apostles for the familiars too.
Ganishka's type teeth are always present to some of those though (makara, daka and tiger)
Elephants and crocs haven't.
Oh, wait, elephants have their husks at least.
Title: Re: Episode 259
Post by: blueberserk on July 14, 2005, 03:49:05 PM
i had thought the story of the hawks would be continued....but it suddenly turned to the ball one..... :???:
(http://free.getbbs.com/Images/PostUpload/PostUpload-18267-109152-2005-7-14-632569615772187500.JPG)
Title: Re: Episode 259
Post by: Tell Me Why on July 14, 2005, 05:12:16 PM
I thought that was Zodd at first. Speaking of Zodd, I want to see him square off with Guts now that he has the Berserk's Armor. I wonder if Guts could take 'em now.
Title: Re: Episode 259
Post by: Aazealh on July 14, 2005, 05:19:50 PM
But I think I would translate the title rather as 'Menacing/Threatening/Sinister/Suspicious Tiger' or something. 'Magic Tiger' sounds a bit weird imho.

Well, there are different ways of interpreting the word, I just put up "magic" this morning because the familiars are created from sorcery by Ganishka's priests. I think I'd go with "Demon Tiger" or "Evil Tiger" myself rather than sinister or suspicious though, now those sound weird to me. :guts: It's open to suggestions anyway, not set in stone or anything...

Yeah, and they were also using other apostles for the familiars too.

We saw them using a bunch of sewn apostles to create the Daka, not the familiars (Pishacha). And yeah, the crocodile and elephant based ones don't have Ganishkan teeth.
Title: Re: Episode 259
Post by: xechnao on July 14, 2005, 05:54:00 PM
We saw them using a bunch of sewn apostles to create the Daka, not the familiars (Pishacha).

Aren't the daka considered familiars too?
If not who are the pishacha? Crocs, makara, or nobody?
Title: Re: Episode 259
Post by: Aazealh on July 14, 2005, 06:15:42 PM
Aren't the daka considered familiars too?

Nope, they're apparently different, hence the different name. They're "Demon soldiers". :SK: To know for sure we would need Schierke to meet some of them and explain what they really are.

If not who are the pishacha? Crocs, makara, or nobody?

Pishacha is a Sanskrit word describing some man-eating demons, in Japanese the kanji mean something like "demon beast soldiers" from memory. It's applied to the transformed Elephants and Crocodiles in Wyndham. The same crocodiles are called familiars by Schierke when Guts' group get attacked on the beach, so we can safely assume that the Pishacha are familiars. As for the Makara (word comes from Sanskrit too), it's a mythological sea monster, created the same way the Pishacha are (transforming an animal using some sorcery and having "priests" monitoring it), so it's also good to call it a familiar (Schierke says so, too), even if it's in a different league than mere Pishacha.

Daka are created a different way from all of these monsters, using apostles and human seeds, that's why they're special. We'll probably get more details about Ganishka's powers and his methods later on in the story, but for now they aren't confirmed as being familiars. Actually Rakshas and Ganishka speak already quite a bit about this in past episodes anyway, I think you could check them to get some details if you want.

Anyway, seeing how the tiger was transformed from an animal and is probably remotely controlled by someone, I think it's fitting to call him a familiar, there's not a lot of doubt about his origins.
Title: Re: Episode 259
Post by: xechnao on July 14, 2005, 06:55:20 PM
Nope, they're apparently different, hence the different name. They're "Demon soldiers". :SK: To know for sure we would need Schierke to meet some of them and explain what they really are.

Pishacha is a Sanskrit word describing some man-eating demons, in Japanese the kanji mean something like "demon beast soldiers" from memory. It's applied to the transformed Elephants and Crocodiles in Wyndham. The same crocodiles are called familiars by Schierke when Guts' group get attacked on the beach, so we can safely assume that the Pishacha are familiars. As for the Makara (word comes from Sanskrit too), it's a mythological sea monster, created the same way the Pishacha are (transforming an animal using some sorcery and having "priests" monitoring it), so it's also good to call it a familiar (Schierke says so, too), even if it's in a different league than mere Pishacha.

Daka are created a different way from all of these monsters, using apostles and human seeds, that's why they're special. We'll probably get more details about Ganishka's powers and his methods later on in the story, but for now they aren't confirmed as being familiars. Actually Rakshas and Ganishka speak already quite a bit about this in past episodes anyway, I think you could check them to get some details if you want.

Anyway, seeing how the tiger was transformed from an animal and is probably remotely controlled by someone, I think it's fitting to call him a familiar, there's not a lot of doubt about his origins.

We have seen apostles (the count, roshinu and the egg apostle) to create some powerful creatures  from humans. Those come from apostle inbred power, not magic they studied I guess. How do we call those?
Title: Re: Episode 259
Post by: Mizar on July 14, 2005, 06:56:25 PM
Well, there are different ways of interpreting the word, I just put up "magic" this morning because the familiars are created from sorcery by Ganishka's priests. I think I'd go with "Demon Tiger" or "Evil Tiger" myself rather than sinister or suspicious though, now those sound weird to me. :guts: It's open to suggestions anyway, not set in stone or anything...

That's true of course, but I thought maybe a different word could be used this time instead of always using standard vocabulary with words like 'Evil' and 'Demon' again. :puck:
But 妖 here gives definitely the feeling of something dark, sinister or evil. And perhaps Miura also chose 妖 here to hint at the fact that we're talking about something under the control of a magical spell. "Bewitched Tiger" would maybe be a possible attempt to catch that meaning in English? But whatever, just 'Demon Tiger' is fine too if you don't want to think too much about it all. :serpico:
Title: Re: Episode 259
Post by: xechnao on July 14, 2005, 06:58:57 PM
That's true of course, but I thought maybe a different word could be used this time instead of always using standard vocabulary with words like 'Evil' and 'Demon' again. :puck:
But 妖 here gives definitely the feeling of something dark, sinister or evil. And perhaps Miura also chose 妖 here to hint at the fact that we're talking about something under the control of a magical spell. "Bewitched Tiger" would maybe be a possible attempt to catch that meaning in English? But whatever, just 'Demon Tiger' is fine too if you don't want to think too much about it all. :serpico:

"Possesed" tiger ?
But this what it is used by those possesed by ghouls
Title: Re: Episode 259
Post by: Aazealh on July 14, 2005, 07:29:04 PM
We have seen apostles (the count, roshinu and the egg apostle) to create some powerful creatures  from humans. Those come from apostle inbred power, not magic they studied I guess. How do we call those?

Quasi-apostles, according to what Miura said (prefix quasi is my take on the English version, however I think it fits the best to convey the original meaning).

For those interested in Berserk fandom history, for long (well, still nowadays) people used terms Griffith had selected to discriminate these guys, and as always, Olivier's thoughts on it were suspiciously close to Miura's own intention. Here's a link to the thread in question (http://www.skullknight.net/yabbse/index.php?topic=897.msg17548#msg17548).

That's true of course, but I thought maybe a different word could be used this time instead of always using standard vocabulary with words like 'Evil' and 'Demon' again. :puck:

It's true it's been used a lot, especially concerning Ganishka and his minions, that's actually one of the reasons I'd go for it, uniformity and all that. :void: Anyway as you suggested I'm not going to go on thinking about this, different interpretations being possible, I'd rather let the translators and fluent Japanese speakers do their part. :beast:
Title: Re: Episode 259
Post by: xechnao on July 14, 2005, 07:50:11 PM
Quasi-apostles

So who of Ganishka's monsters can we consider of that kind?
And what about the Daka?
Title: Re: Episode 259
Post by: Aazealh on July 14, 2005, 09:15:02 PM
So who of Ganishka's monsters can we consider of that kind?

How about none of them? They're all created by magic from what we know, not by using some kind of special apostle power, and they don't have apostle features or abilities. Specific terms are employed to describe them too, I don't think it's fortuitous.

And what about the Daka?

Though the creation process of the Daka involves apostles, it's not like humans receive some power from an apostle in particular, it's more complicated than that. In episode 233, Rakshas comments about it, he says that the inside of an apostle's body is connected with the astral world, so that if you throw a pregnant woman in there (using their creepy system), the offspring receives a demonic spirit.

As you can see, it's more like they corrupt embryos into developing as Daka by exposing them to a "dark part" of the astral world, and all the Kushan "priests" gathering there and the similarity between all the Daka also imply that strong magical powers are needed in order for this practice to succeed. Just throwing a guy in apostle bowels wouldn't work.

If anything, amongst Ganishka's monsters the Daka would be the only ones that you could somehow relate to "artificial" quasi-apostles, due to the way they are created, but I don't think it's correct to call them like this. To me they're just a different thing (hence the different name and description once again), an abomination somehow even less natural than apostles. They don't have any personal features, no apparent mind either (unlike quasi-apostles, even Rochine's fake fairies talk and have different personalities, they're individuals), they're just magically animated puppets, clone-like monstrosities born from the darkest sorcery and using a grotesque mass of captive apostles to pervert them before their birth.

Like the familiars, I don't think they'd be able to live outside of Ganishka's fog. We know what happens when the casters controlling Pishacha die, they revert to their original form and behave like normal animals, same when the familiars themselves die, they don't keep their monstruous appearance (the Makara regressed to a whale). So I wonder what would happen to some Daka if their source of power disappeared, would they just die instantly? I personally think they could, they'd just fall on the floor inarticulated and start rotting.
Title: Re: Episode 259
Post by: xechnao on July 14, 2005, 09:27:47 PM
I wasn't confident about this but now I am much more positive I guess.

And that answer was the best analysis I hoped I could have.
I wouldn't have bothered to answer this so thoroughly myself.
Thanks
Title: Re: Episode 259
Post by: demosthenes on July 15, 2005, 12:03:11 AM
that looks sick.  new spokesanimal for mac os x tiger, although, its probably not a tiger, anyone?  i cant wait, i wanna see guts go berserk, armor berserk, again..  but doubt thats gonna happen now as previously stated.   and thats a nice coloring job blue..  so, im not really sure if this has been stated already, but im lazy today and forgetful, i think that tigerthing is a scout like the one person who scouts the next battlefield.. :beast:     [sorry for my offtopicness]
Title: Re: Episode 259
Post by: dwarfkicker on July 15, 2005, 12:19:02 AM
Guts on safari.

See Guts slash crocodiles, stab elephants, and skin tigers
Title: Re: Episode 259
Post by: Venus on July 15, 2005, 02:38:31 AM
Beast vs. Beast, who will emerge victorious?!?!.
Can't wait
Title: Re: Episode 259
Post by: Aazealh on July 15, 2005, 10:20:44 AM
its probably not a tiger, anyone?
What about the fact the title says it's a tiger, uh? :???:

so, im not really sure if this has been stated already, but im lazy today and forgetful, i think that tigerthing is a scout like the one person who scouts the next battlefield.. :beast:

Yeah well... Nothing new, sorry.

Beast vs. Beast, who will emerge victorious?!?!.

Now that would be Zodd against Guts in their next match, a fight to be remembered I'm sure. This tiger familiar shouldn't be too hard to handle once he'll have eaten half the nobles at the ball.
Title: Re: Episode 259
Post by: CnC on July 15, 2005, 12:02:25 PM
This tiger familiar shouldn't be too hard to handle once he'll have eaten half the nobles at the ball.

Assuming this is the only tiger, or the only threat, for that matter.
Title: Re: Episode 259
Post by: Aazealh on July 15, 2005, 12:20:02 PM
Assuming this is the only tiger, or the only threat, for that matter.

The Kushan attack is about to start, so obviously we can expect more threats to appear, and probably more familiars. Now I doubt this tiger in particular to be much of a problem if he's alone.
Title: Re: Episode 259
Post by: Mage on July 15, 2005, 03:09:05 PM
If Guts demonstrates his battle prowess in front of the armies (or even the nobles, maybe...Owen is there), some might make the connection to his possibly being the century slayer/in the Band of the Hawks.  Probably not going to happen, though. 
Title: Re: Episode 259
Post by: IgnusDei on July 15, 2005, 03:37:26 PM
that'd be pretty awesome, though he may not be keen on it, the man deserves some more fame.
Title: Re: Episode 259
Post by: Serpico on July 15, 2005, 03:54:09 PM

Like the familiars, I don't think they'd be able to live outside of Ganishka's fog. We know what happens when the casters controlling Pishacha die, they revert to their original form and behave like normal animals, same when the familiars themselves die, they don't keep their monstruous appearance (the Makara regressed to a whale). So I wonder what would happen to some Daka if their source of power disappeared, would they just die instantly? I personally think so, they'd just fall on the floor inarticulated and start rotting.

Are you sure? It seems like I remember it that way too. But I was looking just now and the crocs still kept their spears (although they stopped attacking) and in the last shot i saw the Makara was not reverted, Guts had cut off his nose but he still had the wicked teeth and stuff.
Title: Re: Episode 259
Post by: Aazealh on July 15, 2005, 04:13:11 PM
Are you sure? It seems like I remember it that way too. But I was looking just now and the crocs still kept their spears (although they stopped attacking) and in the last shot i saw the Makara was not reverted, Guts had cut off his nose but he still had the wicked teeth and stuff.

The spears were tied to their arms, and you can see some of them still clutching theirs yeah, but they're pretty much standard crocodiles at that point, I don't think the spears mean anything in particular.

As for the Makara, look again more closely. :SK:

(http://aazealh.net/Divers/Makara-whale.jpg)
Title: Re: Episode 259
Post by: Serpico on July 15, 2005, 04:51:55 PM
The spears were tied to their arms, and you can see some of them still clutching theirs yeah, but they're pretty much standard crocodiles at that point, I don't think the spears mean anything in particular.

As for the Makara, look again more closely. :SK:

http://aazealh.net/Divers/Makara-whale.jpg

Ahh Ok I found it now too, that panel was hidden on the corner of the mysterious child page at the end. I thought I might be losing it or something.
Title: Re: Episode 259
Post by: roberto999 on July 15, 2005, 06:43:59 PM
The Kushan attack is about to start, so obviously we can expect more threats to appear, and probably more familiars. Now I doubt this tiger in particular to be much of a problem if he's alone.
Yea , but the other beast (the one that did appear in the past issues) had no stripes so we can guess that there are at least two of them and very likely, if it is a full scale attack, many of them
Title: Re: Episode 259
Post by: Aazealh on July 15, 2005, 07:21:59 PM
Yea , but the other beast (the one that did appear in the past issues) had no stripes so we can guess that there are at least two of them and very likely, if it is a full scale attack, many of them

It killed the guards, and we didn't have real any close up on its mouth, we just partly saw its teeth (that stripe looks a little too long to pass unseen though). Also, nothing says that the preview isn't taken from a shot occuring after the tiger has killed a noble already. We'll see soon enough how many of them are attacking the ball anyway, keeping in mind that whether this tiger arrived early or not, Vritannis' streets should soon be filled with Kushan assailants.
Title: Re: Episode 259
Post by: CnC on July 15, 2005, 08:26:18 PM
It killed the guards, and we didn't have real any close up on its mouth, we just partly saw its teeth (that stripe looks a little too long to pass unseen though). Also, nothing says that the preview isn't taken from a shot occuring after the tiger has killed a noble already. We'll see soon enough how many of them are attacking the ball anyway, keeping in mind that whether this tiger arrived early or not, Vritannis' streets should soon be filled with Kushan assailants.

Of course, this is pure spec.  I think its safe to assume the tigers are being used to take out specific targets that would make the attack easier.  Have we seen generals or other top teir commanders at this ball?  Tigers taking them out would make it difficult to lead any army.
Title: Re: Episode 259
Post by: Aazealh on July 15, 2005, 08:41:30 PM
I think its safe to assume the tigers are being used to take out specific targets that would make the attack easier.

Yeah, the one we saw seemed to be looking for a specific target, he didn't care at all about Guts and the others.

Have we seen generals or other top teir commanders at this ball?  Tigers taking them out would make it difficult to lead any army.

Well, there's Federico Vandimion for one, plus a great number of generals and nobles from Midland, Tudor, and other countries that are part of the Holy See alliance. Basically that ball is a perfect target for a Kushan surprise attack.
Title: Re: Episode 259
Post by: CnC on July 15, 2005, 11:21:47 PM
Yeah, the one we saw seemed to be looking for a specific target, he didn't care at all about Guts and the others.

Well, there's Federico Vandimion for one, plus a great number of generals and nobles from Midland, Tudor, and other countries that are part of the Holy See alliance. Basically that ball is a perfect target for a Kushan surprise attack.

Guts displaying his prowess (albeit unintentionally) should impress the nobles... wonder where that could lead  :carcus:

btw   :chomp: rules!
Title: Re: Episode 259
Post by: handsome rakshas on July 16, 2005, 10:46:16 PM
that's a cute wittle kitty!
Title: Re: Episode 259
Post by: Vampire_Hunter_Bob on July 18, 2005, 12:23:08 PM
Now all Ganishka needs to do is attack ports. I'd send a wave of light infantry through there and secure the surrounding buildings, which i would call in a second wave of croc man when the croc men finally get there I'd have the light infantry go in. Now I'd send in some "guys" to take care of the scu... what's going on again?
Title: Re: Episode 259
Post by: CnC on July 19, 2005, 02:49:24 PM
Now all Ganishka needs to do is attack ports. I'd send a wave of light infantry through there and secure the surrounding buildings, which i would call in a second wave of croc man when the croc men finally get there I'd have the light infantry go in. Now I'd send in some "guys" to take care of the scu... what's going on again?

I think we attack at dawn...
Title: Re: Episode 259
Post by: Tell Me Why on July 19, 2005, 11:05:50 PM
Can we get the freakin' episode already? I can only survive off of one picture for so long.
Title: Re: Episode 259
Post by: Walter on July 20, 2005, 05:56:46 PM
Can we get the freakin' episode already? I can only survive off of one picture for so long.
Well geez, since you ask so nicely... How about you get a subscription to YA for all of us yourself, you ungrateful bastard.
Title: Re: Episode 259
Post by: CnC on July 20, 2005, 06:27:26 PM
amen
Title: Re: Episode 259
Post by: Tell Me Why on July 20, 2005, 07:07:07 PM
Hahaha! People on this board are so hostile.
Title: Re: Episode 259
Post by: Griffith on July 20, 2005, 07:18:55 PM
Sounds like Vampire talk, eh Bobbo? :carcus:
Title: Re: Episode 259
Post by: MaN on July 20, 2005, 09:01:26 PM
So how many animals turned into demon beast does that make

Elephants
Whale
Crocs
Tigers
Horses
Dogs

did I leave any ..... and sweetness to the person who took the time to add the Hue  :chomp:
Title: Re: Episode 259
Post by: Kagami on July 21, 2005, 12:37:43 AM
So how many animals turned into demon beast does that make

Elephants
Whale
Crocs
Tigers
Horses
Dogs

did I leave any ..... and sweetness to the person who took the time to add the Hue  :chomp:


Horses and dogs were a different thing. Those were not familiars. Understand this.
Title: Re: Episode 259
Post by: Mizar on July 21, 2005, 12:58:47 AM
Episode 259 is out. :beast:

Brief synopsis:
Demon Tiger trashes the party and starts feasting on the nobles. Farnese grabs a nearby candlestand and tries to burn the motherfucker. :badbone: Tiger is pissed and attacks Farnese, but Serpico comes to the rescue and takes her to safety. On the final page we see Guts and the rest arrive at the scene too.

Next episode August 12: Guts vs Tiger?
Title: Re: Episode 259
Post by: CnC on July 21, 2005, 01:14:14 AM
sweet... sounds awesome.

Looks like Farnese is making a stand.

August 12!? man... soon this is going to be a monthly strip.  Hey, if the quality is there I don't mind.
Title: Re: Episode 259
Post by: Slime_Beherit on July 21, 2005, 02:29:23 AM
im willing to wait , i mean  :miura:  must be working hard on it, right?
Title: Re: Episode 259
Post by: Headless Death on July 21, 2005, 06:40:34 AM
You speak as if it is uncommon for it to be on the second Friday of the month. :schierke:
Title: Re: Episode 259
Post by: Nomad on July 21, 2005, 07:46:21 AM
(http://img301.imageshack.us/img301/6338/berserk259183ca.jpg)
uh huh...Serpico, you dog!. :carcus:

Thanks.
Title: Re: Episode 259
Post by: Griffith on July 21, 2005, 08:06:16 AM
Awesome work. And awesome stuff... I must admit, when I read Mizar's summary for this episode, I wasn't that excited (Berserk withdrawl and depression methinks, especially with the promise of another mini-break), but guess what, Miura won me over again with his tried and true formula! :guts:

Okay, so Roddy is a proven man, and his Guts' band potential just skyrocketed. Great to see the shock on everyone's face as Farnese fights the Tiger. And of course, love the final panel on page 19; ENTER THE ARENA! WHO IS THE GLADIATOR!?

Oh, speaking of which, holy shit, page 20 is the coolest shot of Guts in his new armor, hands down. Looks like he and Miura finally "wore it in" because he looks not only totally awesome but also completely natural in it in that shot; actually, he looks like he's never looked better (the design was always a technical amalgamation of his previous armor, but this just took it and soared). That's an All-Series panel right there, the quintessential Guts collection. =)

P.S. 19 is neat on all fronts, gnarly shot of Serpico (actually looking genuinely happy/creepy =), and the Tiger's hair raising as the REAL Beast enters the room.:chomp: ;)
Title: Re: Episode 259
Post by: Nomad on July 21, 2005, 08:23:09 AM
Seconded. I personally hope that this boosts Farnese/Serpico relationship to a next level.  Keep wondering if anyone else will join the party though...
Title: Re: Episode 259
Post by: Aazealh on July 21, 2005, 08:56:06 AM
So there's just one familiar attacking the ball, and it's such a threat that Farnese took care of it. Looks like I'm right once again, suckers. :badbone:

Anyway I think it's pretty cool how Farnese awed everybody by slapping the familiar in the face, typical piece of jaw dropping action, usually with Guts filling the role, only not this time. I also like how she recognized the Tiger as an astral being instantly, and used a silver candlestand as a result. Her robe hindered her though. Guts' line as he arrives is also quite humorous: "the party has reached its peak". :guts:
Title: Re: Episode 259
Post by: SaiyajinNoOuji on July 21, 2005, 09:14:20 AM
Thank you!  :beast:

Pretty cool. I'm wondering if the eyes of the beast is a looking glass if you will to who ever is controlling it. I'm also wondering if the rise of the fur is because who ever is possibly controlling it recognizes Guts from the last little control seasion with the Crocodiles.
Title: Re: Episode 259
Post by: Mizar on July 21, 2005, 09:21:17 AM
Hmm, is silver known to be effective against astral beings? I thought the Tiger's fur was on fire there, or was that smoke the effect of the silver?

By the way, Miura is not taking a mini-break this time, the next issue of YA will be coming out in three weeks on August the 12th (second Friday of the month).
Title: Re: Episode 259
Post by: Aazealh on July 21, 2005, 09:27:01 AM
I'm wondering if the eyes of the beast is a looking glass if you will to who ever is controlling it.

I think that's probably the case, at least the caster must have some kind of idea/perception of what is going on.

I'm also wondering if the rise of the fur is because who ever is possibly controlling it recognizes Guts from the last little control seasion with the Crocodiles.

Much like Griffith, I'd like to think that the familiar just felt that a predator had entered the room. :SK:

Hmm, is silver known to be effective against astral beings?

Of course, remember the silver dagger and chainmails that Schierke gave Farnese and Casca. As for the smoke, you can notice that she removed the candles (or they dropped maybe?) in the shot where she stabs the familiar in the eye with the candelabrum. So it's obviously because of the silver; besides I don't think a mere candle could cause that much fire damage when stabbing such a monster.

By the way, Miura is not taking a mini-break this time, the next issue of YA will be coming out in three weeks on August the 12th (second Friday of the month).

Indeed, Headless Death commented about this already.
Title: Re: Episode 259
Post by: Smith on July 21, 2005, 10:23:05 AM

Horses and dogs were a different thing. Those were not familiars. Understand this.


I remember a panther? Back 4 episodes ago i think...
Title: Re: Episode 259
Post by: krumm47 on July 21, 2005, 10:31:33 AM

I remember a panther? Back 4 episodes ago i think...

I always thought that that panther was the tiger appearing in this episode...
Title: Re: Episode 259
Post by: Aazealh on July 21, 2005, 10:31:37 AM
I remember a panther? Back 4 episodes ago i think...

Goddamn Smith, it's the fucking tiger that's in this episode...

By the way, Vol. 29 will be released on September 29, 2005.
Title: Re: Episode 259
Post by: IgnusDei on July 21, 2005, 10:48:31 AM
hey, it looks like Guts is gonna get a bit more popular after all.

I expect he'll be getting quite a few job offers after this blows over.

noble1 "I want thee in my army, sir! I shall pay you two hundred in gold, upfront, and an officer's pay!"
noble2  "i'll not be outbid by a Tudor! I shall give you FIVE hundred upfrront, and TWICE the officer's pay!"
noble1" ONE THOUSAND! AND THRICE!"
noble3 " TWO THOUSAND!"
noble4 " A KUSHAN HAREM!"
Title: Re: Episode 259
Post by: Some Guy on July 21, 2005, 11:34:13 AM
Thank you for the episode

Man these episodes are getting better and better.  I really liked how Farnese was able to deal with the familiar (albeit temporarily).

I wonder how Guts is going to deal with this one

Guts' line as he arrives is also quite humorous: "the party has reached its peak". :guts:


Classic Guts line :guts:
Title: Re: Episode 259
Post by: puella on July 21, 2005, 12:00:25 PM
The problem is that the tiger looks too cute to me to be split into two by Guts. :judo:
Really cool episode, indeed. Especially I like Guts' and Serpico's lines :casca:(Anyway, are there many lines in this episode?  :guts:)
Title: Re: Episode 259
Post by: Walter on July 21, 2005, 12:30:37 PM
Fucking awesome episode.
Title: Re: Episode 259
Post by: xechnao on July 21, 2005, 12:55:22 PM
Thanks!!!

Serpico and Guts seemed both much more affascinating than ever. I wonder if Miura will keep this line.

So for next episode we have some fight and plot development due to the groups revelance to the nobles.
Or perhaps only a fight, who knows, more familiars might come to dinner.

I also wonder when we will see total battle at Vrittanis. Perhaps it starts right now!  :zodd: 
Title: Re: Episode 259
Post by: CnC on July 21, 2005, 01:01:14 PM
oh man! amazing stuff!!

From the horror scene where nobody knew what was going on to that great establishment of the tiger feasting, revealed by candle light was AMAZING!
Farnese proving herself was great too!

Cape entrance: Guts   ....sweet

Of course, everything was drawn superbly (one of the panels of the cat tearing up the nobles look a little flat, but thats a hard shot).  Episodes of this quality can come out bi-monthly and I wouldn't mind
Title: Re: Episode 259
Post by: Griffith on July 21, 2005, 03:40:53 PM
"the party has reached its peak".

Wow, that's pretty highbrow material for Guts, I figured he was saying something like, "Hey monster, come on!"


Guess he's showing his noble wit. :guts:
Title: Re: Episode 259
Post by: dwarfkicker on July 21, 2005, 03:41:24 PM
Guts' entrance was awesome.  And the horror elements rocked.  The shit has just hit the fan.
Title: Re: Episode 259
Post by: Trashcan on July 21, 2005, 03:44:50 PM
One thing that's bothering me though. The guy with the candlabra that is standing next to the blood-drenched ladies who reveals the tiger. Is it Sir Owen, or just one of the hired help that looks like Sir Owen? If it is Owen... :judo:
Title: Re: Episode 259
Post by: Woland on July 21, 2005, 03:55:38 PM
I think it was just a servant, Owen would at least warrant an on-panel death.

Farnese just looks too cute in Serpico's arms.

I love this episode.

Now that Guts is there-
 :troll: lets get the party started :troll:
Title: Re: Episode 259
Post by: CnC on July 21, 2005, 04:03:19 PM
One thing that's bothering me though. The guy with the candlabra that is standing next to the blood-drenched ladies who reveals the tiger. Is it Sir Owen, or just one of the hired help that looks like Sir Owen? If it is Owen... :judo:

nope
Title: Re: Episode 259
Post by: Tell Me Why on July 21, 2005, 06:14:43 PM
When I saw that shot of Guts at the end, I got the feeling like.. Guts is no longer the man out for revenge. Like, is this the same man that survived the Eclipse and is seaking revenge against Griffith? I don't know. It just seems like Guts has lost track of that goal. He looks like a different person now..
Title: Re: Episode 259
Post by: Griffith on July 21, 2005, 07:09:09 PM
Really, I get that feeling more from the dozens of episodes dealing with that very issue. Again though, awesome picture.
Title: Re: Episode 259
Post by: CnC on July 21, 2005, 07:32:08 PM
When I saw that shot of Guts at the end, I got the feeling like.. Guts is no longer the man out for revenge. Like, is this the same man that survived the Eclipse and is seaking revenge against Griffith? I don't know. It just seems like Guts has lost track of that goal. He looks like a different person now..

Like griffith said, there are many episodes that are dedicated to this.  It seems he either chases down Griffith and is engulfed in the flames of revenge (armor would probably kill him), or he protects the branded girl.
Title: Re: Episode 259
Post by: Walter on July 21, 2005, 07:43:14 PM
Like griffith said, there are many episodes that are dedicated to this.  It seems he either chases down Griffith and is engulfed in the flames of revenge (armor would probably kill him), or he protects the branded girl.
That's not completely sound either.   Guts isn't choosing Casca's safety (and now, rejuvenation) over his Revenge out of personal safety.  He had set out on this quest long before Flora told him about Karma's fire.  Besides, his quest for Casca has, thus far, been more life-threatening than his days as the Black Swordsman.
Title: Re: Episode 259
Post by: CnC on July 21, 2005, 07:59:12 PM
That's not completely sound either.   Guts isn't choosing Casca's safety (and now, rejuvenation) over his Revenge out of personal safety.  He had set out on this quest long before Flora told him about Karma's fire.  Besides, his quest for Casca has, thus far, been more life-threatening than his days as the Black Swordsman.

I was unclear, I meant he's choosing this path to protect her, which he weighs as more important than seeking Griffith at the moment.  I was also saying that seeking Griffith's death would consume him.  Those two points are seperate.  I didn't mean to say he was not chasing Griffith out of concern for his own personal safety
Title: Re: Episode 259
Post by: Tell Me Why on July 21, 2005, 08:30:50 PM
Quick question. Does Guts intend to kill Griffith reborn only? Or does he also plan on trying to kill Femto?
Title: Re: Episode 259
Post by: Rhombaad on July 21, 2005, 08:40:47 PM
Quick question. Does Guts intend to kill Griffith reborn only? Or does he also plan on trying to kill Femto?

Griffith was Femto. There is no Femto since Griffith has been reborn. :miura:
Title: Re: Episode 259
Post by: creampuff_war on July 21, 2005, 09:17:48 PM
From what he told Schierke at Flora's house, Guts is planning on killing all the Godhand....

but I'm sure Griffith especially whether he's techniquly a Godhand or not.
Title: Re: Episode 259
Post by: Tell Me Why on July 21, 2005, 09:47:00 PM
What the hell? So there's no Femto? That means that if someone were to summon the God Hand in the current timeline, Femto wouldn't be there?
Title: Re: Episode 259
Post by: SaiyajinNoOuji on July 21, 2005, 10:02:04 PM
What the hell? So there's no Femto? That means that if someone were to summon the God Hand in the current timeline, Femto wouldn't be there?
That is correct. But thats water under the bridge. Current topic. The big cat or Guts big beast. I got $100 that the cat will escape.
Title: Re: Episode 259
Post by: Aazealh on July 21, 2005, 10:33:02 PM
I'm sure Griffith especially whether he's techniquly a Godhand or not.

He's still part of the God Hand, no doubt about it. Why wouldn't he be one of them anyway?

What the hell? So there's no Femto? That means that if someone were to summon the God Hand in the current timeline, Femto wouldn't be there?

As Saiya said, that's exact. Refer to the DC game for an example of the God Hand appearing without Femto. He was incarnated into Griffith, so he's not there anymore.

Current topic. The big cat or Guts big beast. I got $100 that the cat will escape.

Guts won't entrust himself to the Beast over a single familiar that even Farnese can maim, you guys need to get over it...

As for it escaping, I don't know, it's possible but there's probably a lot of other Kushan soldiers (monsters or not) preparing to march on Vritannis at the moment, so this precise familiar should rather try to fulfill his mission, since he was apparently going for a special target. Nevertheless, it's a possibility.
Title: Re: Episode 259
Post by: Serpico on July 21, 2005, 11:20:36 PM
Man this was a sweet episode!!!!  :serpico: Art was just amazing, especially Serpico's pages!!!!!!
Title: Re: Episode 259
Post by: Mage on July 22, 2005, 01:53:14 AM
Awesome episode.  I can't wait to see how this invasion will play out...if Guts & Co. will slip under the radar, or if Ganishka will learn of him and his connection to Griffith (perhaps through Silat).
Title: Re: Episode 259
Post by: yota821 on July 22, 2005, 02:01:28 AM
Silat hardly knows anything about the connection between Guts and Griffith.    :guts:  :???:  :griff:
Title: Re: Episode 259
Post by: Wii wii wii on July 22, 2005, 02:27:07 AM
Great episode, thanks alot guys. Though, I kind've wish I hadn't read it, now I have a pit in my stomach thinking about the wait for the next one  :judo:

Great to see Serpico and Guts working towards a common goal again though. Reminded me of seeing them back to back against the Ogre and Kelpie.
Title: Re: Episode 259
Post by: rick on July 22, 2005, 03:17:12 AM
Guts legs look thicker than usual, especially his left one, almost transformer looking  :guts:
Title: Re: Episode 259
Post by: Hippie on July 22, 2005, 07:16:44 AM
nice episode.  The next one should rule ;)
Title: Re: Episode 259
Post by: Akin on July 22, 2005, 09:19:00 AM
Everybody's going to the party have a real good time?

Wow, that's pretty highbrow material for Guts, I figured he was saying something like, "Hey monster, come on!"


Guess he's showing his noble wit. :guts:

Howabout something like "looks like the party's over"?

Anyways, can't wait for the translation. (actually maybe I should go to sleep now and maybe it will be there by the time i get up... hrm...)
Title: Re: Episode 259
Post by: Nox on July 22, 2005, 10:10:13 AM
aisssssss, I just love this series X], cant wait for the next ep
I wonder if Owen will recognize Guts or Casca at any moment during the battle .......I can see him asking for Griffith XDD


Thanks for the scans ^_^
Title: Re: Episode 259
Post by: Smith on July 22, 2005, 10:21:25 AM
Guts won't entrust himself to the Beast over a single familiar that even Farnese can maim, you guys need to get over it...


Btw... I highly doubt that it is single


We'll wait and see... Guts appearing at the right time is just way  too damn cool   :badbone:
Title: Re: Episode 259
Post by: Aazealh on July 22, 2005, 12:51:45 PM
Silat hardly knows anything about the connection between Guts and Griffith.

Well, he knows that Guts was there when he attacked the old Band of the Hawks long ago, and that he was also present when Griffith appeared in Albion. Now I agree that it's a bit far-fetched for him to tell Ganishka about a hypothetic relation between Guts and Griffith based on this alone.

Howabout something like "looks like the party's over"?

Nah.

Btw... I highly doubt that it is single

It's obviously alone at the moment. If you took the time to read the end of my post before replying you'd see that I already mentioned the high probability of other Kushan assailants.
Title: Re: Episode 259
Post by: DefaultJ!! on July 22, 2005, 05:55:41 PM
Guts and crew make a fine entrance into the ball... go Serpico! Good to see Farnese in action, too!

Btw... I highly doubt that it is single
bachelor demon tiger, lookin' for love...

BTW, when did these new icons appear? They're pretty awesome !  :puck: >>  >:(
Title: Re: Episode 259
Post by: Aazealh on July 22, 2005, 05:59:12 PM
BTW, when did these new icons appear? They're pretty awesome !  :puck: >>  >:(

Last week. (http://www.skullknight.net/yabbse/index.php?topic=4673.0)
Title: Re: Episode 259
Post by: DefaultJ!! on July 22, 2005, 05:59:55 PM
Last week. (http://www.skullknight.net/yabbse/index.php?topic=4673.0)

Wow, that was a fast reply.
Title: Re: Episode 259
Post by: Kagami on July 23, 2005, 03:09:08 AM
Wow, that was a fast reply.

so was that.

Is the next one Guts and folks only? No new Griffith for a bit? Too bad.
Title: Re: Episode 259
Post by: Metal Soldier on July 23, 2005, 03:17:15 AM
Thanks for the episode guys. It was quite good.
Title: Re: Episode 259
Post by: C on July 23, 2005, 03:46:45 AM
That was incredible!

I love the part where the beast was about to do some head caving:
(http://www.10-4.kingswolf.com/cave_in.jpg)


Thank you!


 - C   :zodd:
Title: Re: Episode 259
Post by: marco on July 23, 2005, 11:14:47 AM
I've just finished the episode. It's truly amazing. I like the reaction of Farnese who tries to defend the other nobles. Her adventure with Guts has changed her. So, this is cool.
Title: Re: Episode 259
Post by: dwarfkicker on July 23, 2005, 01:26:46 PM
Quote
Btw... I highly doubt that it is single

I could just see Guts easily slay the tiger only to have a few more come in.  Or he'll take this one out at the end of the episode but one or two more will pop up at the end.
Title: Re: Episode 259
Post by: Opie on July 24, 2005, 01:31:57 AM
Rodricks just jumped up a ntoch and became a character that I want to see alot more of.
Title: Re: Episode 259
Post by: CnC on July 24, 2005, 03:43:55 AM
Rodericks just jumped up a ntoch and became a character that I want to see alot more of.

I agree.  I'm glad he's been made than more than a(nother? -there really aren't any) 2D character

Title: Re: Episode 259
Post by: handsome rakshas on July 28, 2005, 05:45:37 AM
great episode.
no griffith cake eating or apostle banjo playing but still good
Title: Re: Episode 259
Post by: Alucalb on July 28, 2005, 09:48:50 PM
XD Irvine was playing a lute, not a banjo. :P
Title: Re: Episode 259
Post by: grendelrt on July 29, 2005, 11:07:16 PM
XD Irvine was playing a lute, not a banjo. :P

Hahah I just pictured him starting up Dueling Banjos in my mind, DA DA DING DING DING DING.....
Title: Re: Episode 259
Post by: fuxberg on July 30, 2005, 04:52:59 PM

(http://www.10-4.kingswolf.com/cave_in.jpg)


They're makin' out.. duh..  :chomp: