SkullKnight.net

Berserk => Current Episodes => Topic started by: Aazealh on November 09, 2005, 04:49:14 AM

Title: Episode 265
Post by: Aazealh on November 09, 2005, 04:49:14 AM
Title: 妖獣都市(1) - City of the Demon Beasts (1) (http://www.younganimal.com/berserk/sp/05v22.html)

(http://www.younganimal.com/berserk/sp/img/05v22.jpg)
Title: Re: Episode 265
Post by: Rhombaad on November 09, 2005, 04:52:30 AM
YES!  Thanks Aaz!  Looks like its back to Vritannis.  I'm guessing we'll see the Holy Pontiff again in a few episodes, strolling into the city with Sonia and Mule, but for now it's Guts and co.! :guts:
Title: Re: Episode 265
Post by: Aazealh on November 09, 2005, 04:58:15 AM
Looks like the Daka have started the slaughter. :void: It's been a while since we had a series of episodes by the way, last time was in volume 26.
Title: Re: Episode 265
Post by: Jhot obs on November 09, 2005, 05:05:42 AM
Title: 妖獣都市(1) - City of the Pishacha (Demon Beasts) (1) (http://www.younganimal.com/berserk/sp/05v22.html)

http://www.younganimal.com/berserk/sp/img/05v22.jpg
Sweet. With the "(1)" at the episode title's end, this means the part of the chapter is too big to be told in one episode. Looking forward to Guts and company killing them.
It's been a while since we had a series of episodes by the way, last time was in volume 26.
Which has me excited; volume 30 will end end on an epic/dramatic scale like how volume 26 did with the Berserk Armor.
Title: Re: Episode 265
Post by: chief on November 09, 2005, 05:22:44 AM
Man this is gonna be great!! :guts: Its seemed like forever since there has been alot of violence...
Title: Re: Episode 265
Post by: Smith on November 09, 2005, 06:50:15 AM
This is simply fantastic... haha a series of episode... Who know it will be extend in one whole volume like back ages ago in the Golden age...  :troll:
Title: Re: Episode 265
Post by: Rhombaad on November 09, 2005, 07:06:38 AM
I'm hoping for the very same thing, Smith! :void:
Title: Re: Episode 265
Post by: scroto on November 09, 2005, 12:56:03 PM
 :guts: :guts: :guts: :guts: Sweetness  :guts: :guts: :guts: :guts:

I've been hoping for some sweet sweet (epic maybe?!?!) Fighting since the fight with Grunbeld got cut short. Oh please let us get a whole volume of violence!!

...Volume of Violence... I LIKE IT!!!
Title: Re: Episode 265
Post by: CnC on November 09, 2005, 12:57:42 PM
Cool, we actually have the daka kicking ass, they weren't doing so hot previously (Locus).

Can't wait.
Title: Re: Episode 265
Post by: Mad Angel Loki on November 09, 2005, 01:24:16 PM
Hot preview!We'll have a nice battle I suppose! :beast:
Title: Re: Episode 265
Post by: Saiki on November 09, 2005, 01:49:36 PM
Bleh, I was actually more interested in what Griff was gonna do with the pope.
Title: Re: Episode 265
Post by: dwarfkicker on November 09, 2005, 05:04:34 PM
No doubt Guts will draw his sword and take out a group of enemies on thelast page, leaving us foaming at the mouth for two weeks until we get to see him start the slaughter.
Title: Re: Episode 265
Post by: Aazealh on November 09, 2005, 05:22:01 PM
Its seemed like forever since there has been alot of violence...
Oh please let us get a whole volume of violence!!

:schierke:

haha a series of episode... Who know it will be extend in one whole volume like back ages ago in the Golden age...

I doubt that.

Bleh, I was actually more interested in what Griff was gonna do with the pope.

Don't worry, I don't think we've seen the last of it. :griff:
Title: Re: Episode 265
Post by: jackson_hurley on November 09, 2005, 08:16:46 PM
this episode looks very interesting indeed...and i find the daka's weapon kinda strange (its like one of the first time i see them) looks like a primitive screwdriver or something but it does the job haha
Title: Re: Episode 265
Post by: Proj2501 on November 09, 2005, 08:28:17 PM
 :isidro:  ACTION!!!!!
Title: Re: Episode 265
Post by: Aazealh on November 09, 2005, 08:28:33 PM
i find the daka's weapon kinda strange (its like one of the first time i see them)

They used the same weapons the first time we saw them, in Wyndham. They're real Indian weapons (http://aazealh.net/Divers/Kushan/Madu.jpg) too, see this thread for more information (http://www.skullknight.net/yabbse/index.php?topic=3695.msg90697#msg90697).
Title: Re: Episode 265
Post by: jackson_hurley on November 09, 2005, 08:32:56 PM
They used the same weapons the first time we saw them, in Wyndham. They're real Indian weapons (http://aazealh.net/Divers/Kushan/Madu.jpg) too, see this thread for more information (http://www.skullknight.net/yabbse/index.php?topic=3695.msg90697#msg90697).
thx! cause i didnt see the part in windham i started to check the new episode a couple of episode ago
Title: Re: Episode 265
Post by: Aazealh on November 09, 2005, 08:57:58 PM
Late preview, early episode. :badbone:

Not a lot of things happen, the Daka start slaughtering guards, then are stopped by Guts who in turn mangles them (resulting in classic jaw dropping action from the guards). Serpico, Isidro and Puck join the battle, soon followed by Farnese. Schierke spots a Kushan caster controlling the Daka that Guts dispatches quickly. They proceed, the town is already in bad shape and Schierke is reminded of Sonia's prediction. Then suddenly appears... A Makara! Some tiger familiars and Daka also rush as reinforcements (who said pincer attack? :guts:). The Daka actually ride the familiars too, I found it pretty funny. Guts prepares to confront the Makara alone while the others face the familiars and Daka.
Title: Re: Episode 265
Post by: Dark Wanderer on November 09, 2005, 09:03:24 PM
Ahh, back after having had soem very busy weeks at university (which made me unable to reply last time I posted here.. ^^;; ).

Seems like the Daka has begun the slaughter and the soldiers of Vritanis doesn't seem to be putting up a very impressive defense yet. Hmm. I do have to say that this may tell us a bit more of the Daka's fightning power thorugh; since they were basically stomped by the apostles in vol 27, it's kinda nice to see that they're apparently still formidable opponents as long as their opponents aren't a horde of apostles... Of course, I doubt they'll be much of a match for Guts & co. Wonder if Schierke will be able to figure out what the Dakas truly are just by looking at them...?
Title: Re: Episode 265
Post by: CnC on November 09, 2005, 09:06:38 PM
Thanks aaz.  That early "EPISODE" was unexpected but highly welcomed.  Thanks!

Daka riding tigers, huh?  hoowuddathunkit?
Title: Re: Episode 265
Post by: Dark Wanderer on November 09, 2005, 09:12:59 PM
Thanks for the episode, Aazealh!

Gotta love Puck and Isidro's "Master and disciple"-attack :D
As usually, Guts makes quite a few jaws drop :3. Also here we finds out that apparently not only the familiars, but also Daka are under the control of those kushan magicans...

Daka riding familiars? now THIS is new...O_o.

Let's just hope Guts won't have much trouble with this Makara...
Title: Re: Episode 265
Post by: Jhot obs on November 09, 2005, 09:13:42 PM
Late preview, early episode. :badbone:

Not a lot of things happen, the Daka start slaughtering guards, then are stopped by Guts who in turn mangles them (resulting in classic jaw dropping action from the guards). Serpico, Isidro and Puck join the battle, soon followed by Farnese. Schierke spots a Kushan caster controlling the Daka that Guts dispatches quickly. They proceed, the town is already in bad shape and Schierke is reminded of Sonia's prediction. Then suddenly appears... A Makara! Some tiger familiars and Daka also rush as reinforcements (who said pincer attack? :guts:). The Daka actually ride the familiars too, I found it pretty funny. Guts prepares to confront the Makara alone while the others face the familiars and Daka.
Thanks for the early episode again Aaz. :badbone:
Title: Re: Episode 265
Post by: Aazealh on November 09, 2005, 09:18:50 PM
Ahh, back after having had soem very busy weeks at university (which made me unable to reply last time I posted here.. ^^;; ).

Hey Dark Wanderer, well welcome back then. :void:

I do have to say that this may tell us a bit more of the Daka's fightning power thorugh; since they were basically stomped by the apostles in vol 27, it's kinda nice to see that they're apparently still formidable opponents as long as their opponents aren't a horde of apostles...

Yeah, they're obviously superior to the average human fighters, but they can't do much against such overpowering opponents. I guess their time to shine hasn't really come yet.

Of course, I doubt they'll be much of a match for Guts & co.

Hehe, indeed not. :puck:

Oh yeah, and before anybody asks, next episode will come out on December 22.
Title: Re: Episode 265
Post by: Kasirak on November 09, 2005, 09:23:23 PM
Woo! Thanks Aazealh! :) You got to love the blank stare of the army after just sitting back and watching the Carnage done by Guts and just casually walking away like nothing had happen....

Looks like the next episode is only for Christmas though, well I guess this is a good birthday present for me so it works ;)
Title: Re: Episode 265
Post by: Proj2501 on November 09, 2005, 09:27:21 PM
Super fly Aaz!!!! Another Makara too!!! As i said before       :isidro: ACTION!!!!!
Title: Re: Episode 265
Post by: Dark Wanderer on November 09, 2005, 09:35:31 PM
Hey Dark Wanderer, well welcome back then. :void:

Arigatou!

Quote
Yeah, they're obviously superior to the average human fighters, but they can't do much against such overpowering opponents. I guess their time to shine hasn't really come yet.

I guess it's their time to shine now then... however short it may be Xp.

Quote
Hehe, indeed not. :puck:

Maa, sasuga, ne? ^_-

Quote
Oh yeah, and before anybody asks, next episode will come out on December 22.

THAT long!? Oh well, not much that can be done about it then... But I'll expect it to be a GREAT episode then!! :troll:
Title: Re: Episode 265
Post by: Jhot obs on November 09, 2005, 11:09:34 PM
Oh yeah, and before anybody asks, next episode will come out on December 22.
Another month wait, but it's going to be worth it ala a Xmas present. But with a date of December 22, that'll be a Thursday by my calender; Young Animal releasing their issue a day early to commemorate the holidays?  :???:

Badass daka slaughter; even Farnese got in on the action with her familiars. :serpico: I hope she helps the rest again against the tiger-mounted daka heading their way. Guess the Kushans are finally dealing with Guts' party that keeps fucking up their familiar/daka forces' efforts. Looks like they're not going to take any chances with them getting away; unleashing a makara and a calvary of daka riding on tiger familiars on just them. I'm anticipating how Guts will handle himself against a makara again when they're all backed up against the wall once more.

Thanks again for the early episode Aazealh. :SK:
Title: Re: Episode 265
Post by: HawaiianStallion on November 09, 2005, 11:18:47 PM
Hah sweet, my birthday is December 22nd, just another present! Nice!
Title: Re: Episode 265
Post by: dwarfkicker on November 09, 2005, 11:24:57 PM
No doubt Guts will draw his sword and take out a group of enemies on thelast page, leaving us foaming at the mouth for two weeks until we get to see him start the slaughter.

Open mouth insert foot.  Awesome chapter.

Guts versus the giant...fish...thing again.  I don't think Guts will be relying on his darker half for this fight.

Instead of having our jaws dropped by a tease like I suggested in my quote, our jaws are dropped with how awesome this is only to have to wait till the end of next month.  Miura can be so cruel.
Title: Re: Episode 265
Post by: Aazealh on November 09, 2005, 11:30:39 PM
December 22, that'll be a Thursday by my calender; Young Animal releasing their issue a day early to commemorate the holidays?

The 23 must be a day off so they're releasing a day before. They always do that when it can't come out on friday.

I hope she helps the rest again against the tiger-mounted daka heading their way.

Yeah, I think she will. :serpico:

Guess the Kushans are finally dealing with Guts' party that keeps fucking up their familiar/daka forces' efforts. Looks like they're not going to take any chances with them getting away

I'm not sure the Kushans are deliberately and specifically attacking Guts' band (I mean planning in advance to kill them), it's just that our heroes are crossing the battlefield and headed in their direction (port and surroundings). Since they intruded the Kushan controlled zone, they're dealt with. No doubt that they're getting themselves noticed though (for good this time I think), that ambush could very well be in reaction to their earlier interference with the Daka.

I'm anticipating how Guts will handle himself against a makara again when they're all backed up against the wall once more.

Yeah, that should prove to be very interesting. I think he'll be up to the task this time though. :zodd:
Title: Re: Episode 265
Post by: CnC on November 09, 2005, 11:55:17 PM
Yea, I'm pretty sure that Guts won't need the full extent of the armor this time.  Not to say it might test him a little.  What better way to show he's healed/grown.  But who knows...

Anyways, we won't find out until around Christmas, it seems.  Prepare yourselves for a long wait  :troll:

Considering a makara just came from the direction our heroes where heading, I've very little faith that the ships in that direction are still intact.
Title: Re: Episode 265
Post by: Jhot obs on November 10, 2005, 12:40:25 AM
Yeah, that should prove to be very interesting. I think he'll be up to the task this time though. :zodd:
Yea, I'm pretty sure that Guts won't need the full extent of the armor this time. Not to say it might test him a little. What better way to show he's healed/grown. But who knows...
I agree that Guts won't (or at least try not to) let himself be influenced by the armor like last time. IIRC, the triggering for the armor to go berserk was Guts seeing the first makara notice his companions and knowing they'd be killed if he didn't entrust himself to the armor's od and go berserk on it. But this time, Guts should be aware of how competent his group's ability to withstand the supernatural is.

Considering a malaria just came from the direction our heroes where heading, I've very little faith that the ships in that direction are still intact.
Good point; Roderick said his warship should have been away from the port, so it could have been safe from attack, but now it doesn't look like that's the case.

I'll wait for episode 265's translation to comment further.
Title: Re: Episode 265
Post by: Aazealh on November 10, 2005, 01:00:43 AM
IIRC, the triggering for the armor to go berserk was Guts seeing the first makara notice his companions and knowing they'd be killed if he didn't entrust himself to the armor's od and go berserk on it.

Well, he was resisting the urge to let the Beast take control all along (clenched teeth, etc), that's how the Makara could knock him down: because he had stopped moving and just stood there idly. Then, when he saw that his companions were in danger, he stopped fighting back and entrusted himself to the armor.

Anyway, like Dark Wanderer I find interesting the fact that the Daka are controlled by Kushan casters, I really would like to have Schierke's point of view on them. They're sort of like familiars but different in essence (and skills?), and probably exclusive to Ganishka... Interesting monsters. :beast:
Title: Re: Episode 265
Post by: Rhombaad on November 10, 2005, 01:36:15 AM
Sweet!  I come home from work to discover my new BERSERK episode a day early!  Thanks for making my day/week, Aaz! :guts:

Alas...have to wait until my sister's birthday to get my next BERSERK fix.  Really cool seeing the Daka and Pishacha working together and I was kind of hoping the Makara wouldn't be a one-time deal.  Wonder if Guts may end up having to fight more than one at the same time eventually...  As in control as he is, he still has the wound Slann gave him, so there is always the chance the Beast might surface. :chomp:
Title: Re: Episode 265
Post by: Smith on November 10, 2005, 02:23:17 AM
Simply AMAZING...


OMG... OMG... Its hot.. Miura is not deylaying the fight... Straight into ACTION  :miura:



Wait... Is the caster or Dabai coming out soon?
Title: Re: Episode 265
Post by: yota821 on November 10, 2005, 02:46:53 AM
Wait... Is the caster or Dabai coming out soon?

Daiba.
Title: Re: Episode 265
Post by: CnC on November 10, 2005, 02:52:41 AM
Well, the makara fight could be shorter if they find the caster(s) responsible for its control.  I doubt they're far out to sea like last time.
However, considering Schierke and the rest could be too busy with the daka riders, I suppose it could be to the finish.
Title: Re: Episode 265
Post by: Aazealh on November 10, 2005, 02:54:03 AM
I doubt they're far out to sea like last time.

They're close to the harbor now (a street away), from what Roderick says in this episode.
Title: Re: Episode 265
Post by: CnC on November 10, 2005, 03:22:46 AM
They're close to the harbor now (a street away), from what Roderick says in this episode.

Ah, I see.  Didn't realize they were so close...
Title: Re: Episode 265
Post by: SaiyajinNoOuji on November 10, 2005, 03:29:59 AM
Great stuff! Thanks Aaz!  :guts:  I just wanted to point out that Roderick's facial expressions are just priceless! That and how the soldiers are just in a silent awe as Guts and Co. just mopped up the entire section of Daka!  :carcus:
Title: Re: Episode 265
Post by: HitokiriNate85 on November 10, 2005, 03:35:10 AM
Thanks for the eps., Aaz.  I wasn't expecting it yet, so it was a great surprise.  The next eps. should be awesome, but Dec. 22 is a ways off.

Quote
Yea, I'm pretty sure that Guts won't need the full extent of the armor this time.  Not to say it might test him a little.  What better way to show he's healed/grown.  But who knows...

I agree.  It might be challenging, but I don't think it'll go quite that far.
Title: Re: Episode 265
Post by: Rhombaad on November 10, 2005, 03:47:15 AM
I just wanted to point out that Roderick's facial expressions are just priceless! That and how the soldiers are just in a silent awe as Guts and Co. just mopped up the entire section of Dakara!  :carcus:

Haha, I love the "......." as Guts and co. walk off into the flames.  Priceless. :serpico:
Title: Re: Episode 265
Post by: Woland on November 10, 2005, 03:47:33 AM
Thanks Aaz.

I like that quick little throwing knife action.
Title: Re: Episode 265
Post by: Aazealh on November 10, 2005, 03:59:30 AM
I like that quick little throwing knife action.

Just what I told Griff 5 hours ago. :guts:
Title: Re: Episode 265
Post by: Woland on November 10, 2005, 04:25:05 AM
Well, great minds think alike, though apparently yours is five hours faster.

Edit: Puck's charge was like the cutest thing ever.
Title: Re: Episode 265
Post by: Griffith on November 10, 2005, 05:00:59 AM
This episode took me by surprise from top to bottom. First, that it was up today, the Daka (really tragic creatures btw) riding tigers, and Makara round 2. Oh, and the big ass break at the end I didn't notice until later. SUPRISE! :guts:
Title: Re: Episode 265
Post by: Shinryuu on November 10, 2005, 05:02:05 AM
Thank you Aaz... You're my hero.
Title: Re: Episode 265
Post by: skethee2 on November 10, 2005, 05:43:39 AM
The awesomeness of this episode has rendered me immobile :troll:
Thanks Aazealh :isidro:
its been awhile since we had a massacre....let alone a pisacha massacre
cant wait for December 22 :chomp:
Title: Re: Episode 265
Post by: krumm47 on November 10, 2005, 07:28:40 AM
Loved every page of this episode. Guts being so cool with his bad-ass-ness, then Serpico and Isidro joining in, and everyone being generally gob-smacked at their collective awesome-ness. I also love it how Guts has such a trust in everyone now - leaving the Daka to Isidro and Serp, and trusting that Schierke will have everything covered if any trouble is to arise.

*sigh* December 22 never seemed so far away...  :judo:
Title: Re: Episode 265
Post by: avi on November 10, 2005, 10:22:31 AM
Thanks Aaz.

And now we must wait a month to see the fight Guts vs. Makara...

Is there a reason for all of these long breaks?
Title: Re: Episode 265
Post by: Sparnage on November 10, 2005, 10:38:06 AM
My compliments to the Admin ;)

Interesting, I have to admit I expected Owen to stay in the story long enough to get the word about Guts's past, in particular his participation with the Hawks and their demise. It's bound to happen eventually, and for some reason I'm really looking forward to it.
On that note I am starting to wonder if Azan will catch up to the group in time, will Miura just have him linger around in the far backround of the current story before being left behind again? I wouldn't have thought so, but there is still time for him to get into the action bringing along his knightly pride and all. ;D
  
Before I would not have taken the idea of Roderick joining the group indefinitely seriously but I can't help but have second thoughts now that it's come this far. Even so he hasn't proven to be really valuable as a fighter just yet, and lets be honest there's no chance of the useless bitch Magnifico joining indefinitely.

I could be wrong but my prediction on the matter will be after they get the boat and get to their destination Roderick and Magnifico will go down their own path, but whether thats before or after they get to elfhelm is harder to figure out.
If the change between Guts to Griffith will be coming soon the story could likely jump characters after they get on the boat. The Priest in 264 has given me the feeling the story change is near.

Wonder if Guts may end up having to fight more than one at the same time eventually...  As in control as he is, he still has the wound Slann gave him, so there is always the chance the Beast might surface. :chomp:

Well he seems to be in much better condition since he has rested and all; it's unlikley the wound has gone away altogether and it will surely play a bigger role before he gets to Elfhelm but at least he is more prepared for combat now. :)

BTW December 22nd.... I have to admit it's times like these that I wish I discovered the Manga years later (even after the whole series has finished) so I could just buy them all at once and not have to wait like this.

Title: Re: Episode 265
Post by: poodeta on November 10, 2005, 10:53:04 AM
man did i like this episode ooo boy oh boy cant wait till the next one, maybe Azan make guest appearance  :carcus: aaaaaaah too excited <seizures>
Title: Re: Episode 265
Post by: Mad Angel Loki on November 10, 2005, 11:33:03 AM
Real thanks Aaz it's the greatest surprise of my week (poor man) anyway nice episode, I like the way the fight turned with the whole band fighting(except Schierke)and thanks to Miura we have some more questions "Daka controlled by casters?!" :isidro:
I hope to get my hand on the translation soon!
And I dunno who ask why "Miura" does take so long to make an episode but I'd answer:
1)Look at the "artistic quality" really the artwork are great in Berserk nothing like a lot of weekly manga or any comics,read some of the most popular Shonen(Naruto,Hunter X, etc)in those manga we have 2/3 of the pages with absolutely no backgroung(blank backgroung)and now re-read berserk and look at it...quality have a price...moreover American(or European)comics are not weekly and even have a slower release than Berserk(20/30 page a month)so it is unusual for a Manga but not THAT unusual for a comic strip!

2)Berserk have a great story/storyline,deep characters and keep surprising us after YEARS ,so I rather wait a month than reading a weekly Naruto(it's really the best exemple) with "almost" no depth in its story and poor artwork...

Then I may repeat myself but "quality have a price" and in Berserk case this price is the time between two episodes(and not that bothersome),and I'm sure you'll get used to it quickly  :carcus:
Title: Re: Episode 265
Post by: mahlernut on November 10, 2005, 04:54:37 PM
Personal favorite moment: the look on Farnese's face when Schierke (Edit: I mean Guts; damned small speech-bubble arrows) mentions the fight between Guts and Serpico   XD

Thanks as always, Aaz!
Title: Re: Episode 265
Post by: fuxberg on November 10, 2005, 05:29:45 PM
i love you guys  :judo: :judo:
Title: Re: Episode 265
Post by: Aazealh on November 10, 2005, 07:24:35 PM
I could be wrong but my prediction on the matter will be after they get the boat and get to their destination Roderick and Magnifico will go down their own path

Well that's the most likely scenario...

If the change between Guts to Griffith will be coming soon the story could likely jump characters after they get on the boat.

That's also the most likely development as far as I'm concerned. ^^;

Well he seems to be in much better condition since he has rested and all; it's unlikley the wound has gone away altogether and it will surely play a bigger role before he gets to Elfhelm but at least he is more prepared for combat now.

Yeah, remember that he was briefly tempted during the fight with Serpico though, so no matter what he says, there is always a risk. I think SK's warning and the fight on the beach made it clear.

I wish I discovered the Manga years later (even after the whole series has finished) so I could just buy them all at once and not have to wait like this.

Waiting is half the pleasure. :casca:

Is there a reason for all of these long breaks?

Vacations? :badbone:

1)Look at the "artistic quality" really the artwork are great in Berserk nothing like a lot of weekly manga or any comics

Surely the artwork in Berserk is currently one of the best in the world. That couldn't be possibly done with a weekly release, but it also doesn't mean that if other authors had semi-monthly releases their art would be better. It's first and foremost a matter of skill, and Miura's skills are exceptional.

However, that has nothing to do with the breaks (at least not directly), the usual schedule to draw the episodes is just 2 weeks, with an average of 16 hours of work a day for at least 6 days a week from what I've read. And it's mostly him alone, the assistants only work a few days a month, and less hours a day of course. That's why it's funny when some dipshits call Miura "lazy". They're the same guys that don't buy his work, but I digress.

2)Berserk have a great story/storyline,deep characters and keep surprising us after YEARS

That's more like it. Though what I said about vacations might also stand, the schedule is infernal and as you should know Miura got sick because of overworking/straining himself not so long ago. I'd rather have him watch his health than fall ill and stop working for 6 months to recover. Problem is that Miura is a perfectionist from his own admission, and I simply don't see him relaxing for too long (and know for a fact that he doesn't). Breaks are the perfect occasion to purely concentrate on the plot, design of new characters, development of various stuff, etc. Giving him time to always have the story planned in advance so that he can just just focus on the episodes themselves when he draws them, having the general direction and main events already set. That's the official reason stated almost everytime in YA when there's a break: to work on the story.

Then there are all the side projects. Games, illustrations, etc. It may not look like it but Miura's painted a lot for the Trading Card Game for example, that's as much time he didn't spend working on the manga.
Title: Re: Episode 265
Post by: Noid on November 10, 2005, 09:34:09 PM
Thanks a lot Aazealh.

However, that has nothing to do with the breaks (at least not directly), the usual schedule to draw the episodes is just 2 weeks, with an average of 16 hours of work a day for at least 6 days a week from what I've read. And it's mostly him alone, the assistants only work a few days a month, and less hours a day of course.
Wau, I don't like waiting, but now that I Know this, I will be more patient :SK:.
Well, He really deserves a vacation; it's inhuman work like that...:miura:.
Title: Re: Episode 265
Post by: C on November 10, 2005, 10:02:49 PM
Thank you very much Sir Aaz!  :serpico:

 - C
Title: Re: Episode 265
Post by: dwarfkicker on November 10, 2005, 10:34:02 PM
Lith will have some amazingly colored pages with this episode.

*Pictures the lighting of the cast and the surrounding burning city*

I can't wait to see what she does.
Title: Re: Episode 265
Post by: Metal Soldier on November 10, 2005, 11:09:36 PM
Great episode. <3 Miura as much as ever.

Thanks for the episode Aaz.
Title: Re: Episode 265
Post by: avi on November 10, 2005, 11:45:52 PM

Is there a reason for all of these long breaks?

Vacations? :badbone:


I hope... Someone said me that the reason for all this break was because Miura was ill...

But more probably it is for the reason that Mad Angel Loki and you said, the artistic quality of Berserk is the best in the world, and 2 weeks to create those amazing image are very few...
Title: Re: Episode 265
Post by: Uriel on November 11, 2005, 12:39:10 AM
Okay, I feel like a bit of a douche now...

I didn't really read this thread thoroughly, but now I noticed Aaz already posted images of the double-spread images... well, I just spent the past 45 minutes Photoshopping those two images and I now feel like I did it for nothing. I did my best to get rid of the scan lines too, so feel free to take a look and use the images, y'all. Click to view high-res :badbone:

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v375/lucifer-sama/Images/4-5thumb.jpg) (http://www.tacitrequiem.com/04-05.jpg) (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v375/lucifer-sama/Images/14-15thumb.jpg) (http://www.tacitrequiem.com/14-15.jpg)[/list]

As for the episode.. well.. there wasn't anything mind-blowing about it. It was kind of like reheating old material in the oven. That doesn't mean to say it wasn't champion, because it was bloody champion! I just felt like it was a Kushan-Cameo special. All that was missing was the Croc's :puck:
Title: Re: Episode 265
Post by: Smith on November 11, 2005, 01:34:50 AM
Regarding Miura workload... I mean his assistant really help him a few days in a month... Omg I dont think that is assistant...
Title: Re: Episode 265
Post by: Jhot obs on November 11, 2005, 02:15:06 AM
Okay, I feel like a bit of a douche now...

I didn't really read this thread thoroughly, but now I noticed Aaz already posted images of the double-spread images... well, I just spent the past 45 minutes Photoshopping those two images and I now feel like I did it for nothing. I did my best to get rid of the scan lines too, so feel free to take a look and use the images, y'all. Click to view high-res :badbone:
Don't feel too bad; my idea of mergin the 2-page spreads involves my primitive knowledge of MS Paint: increasing a scan's width by tugging the leftmost side's line/barrier with the mouse for 10 minutes and C&Ping the other half.  :puck:

Suffice to say, both yours and Aaz's 2-page spreads are fantastic. Kudos to the both of you for doing this. :badbone:
As for the episode.. well.. there wasn't anything mind-blowing about it. It was kind of like reheating old material in the oven. That doesn't mean to say it wasn't champion, because it was bloody champion! I just felt like it was a Kushan-Cameo special. All that was missing was the Croc's :puck:
I like to this of this episode as a set-up for Guts and company's departure by passing a trial by fire: Kill all these Kushan forces and head towards Roderick's ship just down by the nearby warehouse district. Except for Roderick and Magnifico, everyone will work together to get through this predicament. It's almost touching to be reminded again how much Guts has come to consider Serpico, Farnese, Casca, Isidro, Puck, Evarella and Schierke as companions.  :judo:

I do wonder, with how close the group's to the port (warehouse district and makara right in front of them), if Azan will be introduced to them. He may be in the warehouse district, ready to be introduced to the group the way he showed up after the Retribution Tower fell: from out of the fresh rubble and smashing someone's head in in the nick of time.  :guts:

I seriously doubt Azan's introduction will be anything like that, but it's still fun to contemplate. Right now, Guts' story is shaping up for some intense action. Imagine Serpico leaping through the air and decapitating the riders, Farnese's familiars tripping the tigers and Guts' cutting up that makara's face real pretty like. We know Guts can kill it, but with that kind of enemy again, I'm curious as to if the beast will present itself here and if so, how strongly.
Title: Re: Episode 265
Post by: Aazealh on November 11, 2005, 03:27:52 AM
I hope... Someone said me that the reason for all this break was because Miura was ill...

No, that was last year. I didn't hear anything about him being sick again, and he said that he was sorry for the delays in the last YA so...

I mean his assistant really help him a few days in a month... Omg I dont think that is assistant...

They don't get paid that much either from what I've read.

Okay, I feel like a bit of a douche now... I didn't really read this thread thoroughly, but now I noticed Aaz already posted images of the double-spread images... well, I just spent the past 45 minutes Photoshopping those two images and I now feel like I did it for nothing.

Really, no reason to feel bad, you did a good job. :guts: Besides it's not like Walter and I spent hours working on these. :SK:

As for the episode.. well.. there wasn't anything mind-blowing about it. It was kind of like reheating old material in the oven.

Yeah, nothing groundbreaking in this episode, yet things could hardly be different IMO. Guts & co have to get near the harbor, and that's precisely from where the onslaught is led... So meeting and fighting Kushan forces is pretty natural. People would have complained without a fight anyway.

I like the little things Miura included in it though, Roderick witnessing Serpico and Isidro's skills, Farnese using her familiars again, the guards acknowledging the group's fighting prowess (not just Guts), plus the implied commentary on their mindset ("Killing monsters? Yeah, the daily routine."). I thought that Guts killing that caster was pretty cool too, since it's always been Serpico before. And we got to see more of the town's destruction, as well as Schierke finally being reminded of Sonia's prediction. The Makara wasn't too unexpected, now we'll see whether things go well or not... In any case I don't think the battle will last too long.

I do wonder, with how close the group's to the port (warehouse district and makara right in front of them), if Azan will be introduced to them.

That's a good question, it's hard to say actually. Right now Miura can do whatever he wants with him, he could appear at anytime. I don't think we've seen the last of him in Vritannis, the real question like you said is whether he'll meet up with Guts and the others or not.
Title: Re: Episode 265
Post by: hanafubuku on November 11, 2005, 04:45:11 AM
Thanks Aaz and....

Oh yeah, and before anybody asks, next episode will come out on December 22.

DARN, soooooooo long >_<
Title: Re: Episode 265
Post by: lpzie on November 11, 2005, 05:48:06 AM
Don't feel too bad; my idea of mergin the 2-page spreads involves my primitive knowledge of MS Paint: increasing a scan's width by tugging the leftmost side's line/barrier with the mouse for 10 minutes and C&Ping the other half.  :puck:

ROFL...  Glad I'm not the only one who does this...


And thx for the epi Aaz   =O
Title: Re: Episode 265
Post by: Swordsman in Sable on November 11, 2005, 06:30:43 AM
Thanks Aaz! Is it just me, or did the character artwork in this issue seem a little better than usual? As said, the episode itself was more of the same, but it still managed to show some new stuff, move the plot at least a little, and make one's jaw slack multiple times in awe.
However, that has nothing to do with the breaks (at least not directly), the usual schedule to draw the episodes is just 2 weeks, with an average of 16 hours of work a day for at least 6 days a week from what I've read. And it's mostly him alone, the assistants only work a few days a month, and less hours a day of course. That's why it's funny when some dipshits call Miura "lazy". They're the same guys that don't buy his work, but I digress...

Then there are all the side projects. Games, illustrations, etc. It may not look like it but Miura's painted a lot for the Trading Card Game for example, that's as much time he didn't spend working on the manga.
Wow, just wow. I didn't know his exact schedule until now. Though the number of hours required for each episode doesn't suprise me much, I always thought Studio Gaga and the others that help him did more. Much more. That's an insane workload for one guy. He can take all the breaks he wants as far as I'm concerned...I'd be suprised if he doesn't have RSI, tendonitis, carpal tunnel, or any other syndromes related to his hand.

I'm still suprised that the plot hasn't grown stale after all this time. Sure, there have been transitions, like the increased presence of magic, and the less serious tone, to the point that the group regards monster slaying as a job, and jokes are now constant. Still, it doesn't really get in the way and it's believable in the way it's written and acted (for lack of better terms) rather than cheesy. It's like a music band transitioning/exploring and the fans like the new stuff just as much as the older stuff, if not more. Pretty rare.
Title: Re: Episode 265
Post by: Vetrox on November 12, 2005, 12:08:56 AM
Thanks for the scans and joined pages guys!

Exciting ending, too bad the wait will be long. Oh well, we'll survive.
I'm kinda worried about Guts flunkies... will they coupe with so much Daka-cavalry?

Regarding the potential seatripp (if the ship is intact), I agree with Sparnage and Aazealh, well, either we'll see more of Griffith or something like a seamonster attack. I like the sound of both!  :carcus:

What a great episode! Not very exciting fights (would have like Guts to have SOME trouble with the Daka) but Miura turned what could have been Guts & Co fighting a couple of Daka and emerging at the docks to something far more entertaining. As Aazealth said, it's full of small but cool details. I love the exprecion on Isidro's face after he slashed the Dakas. Also, kinda cool that the soldiers didn't have to do anything and they looked like they knew it  :guts:
Title: Re: Episode 265
Post by: CnC on November 12, 2005, 01:12:56 AM

I'm kinda worried about Guts flunkies... will they coupe with so much Daka-cavalry?

With style  :badbone:.  I'm not too worried about them.  In fact, I'm more concerned about how well Guts handles the makara. 

Gee.. i hope he doesn't die.  That would be anticlimactic.
Title: Re: Episode 265
Post by: dylec on November 12, 2005, 03:54:29 AM
Alright, we have less talk & more action this episode. ;]
The troopers' reaction is a Kodak moment - completely speechless. ;D
Looks like an old monster is looking for more beating from Guts & co. as well.
Title: Re: Episode 265
Post by: Dark Wanderer on November 12, 2005, 03:53:28 PM
Anyway, like Dark Wanderer I find interesting the fact that the Daka are controlled by Kushan casters, I really would like to have Schierke's point of view on them. They're sort of like familiars but different in essence (and skills?), and probably exclusive to Ganishka... Interesting monsters. :beast:

Very exclusive indeed... I'm wondering why they resemble him a bit thorugh. Perhaps it's because that the kushan magicans ha ssome of Ganishka's essence in them. Or perhaps they're all basically Ganishka's offspring and therefore bears a resemblence to him.

Still, the fact that thye're controleld by the kushan magicans/spellcasters could mean that something has to be added or edited in the info on them on the Character page. The page says "They are fed human meat and live only to serve their master, Ganishka. " and the later part could be a bit incorrect at least; I imagined them to be independent, thorugh still loyal to Ganishka and thinking of nothing else but serving him and his needs, but in the light of the current episode, it looks like they're rather mindless without some magicans nearby (or possibly the prestence of Ganishka himself; it's after all not too far-fetched to think that he himself is a strong enough magican to control a whole army of them whereas it usually takes a group of his "lesser" magicans to control a group). Or perhaps, you might add to the page that "Like the pishacha, the daka are controled and their purpose directed by Ganishka's magicans" or soemthing...

BTW, this is strictly speaking not the first time we've seen Ganishka's minions riding something. There's alo the pishacha and Makara in the beginning of vol 28 :P
Title: Re: Episode 265
Post by: CnC on November 12, 2005, 06:56:55 PM
Very exclusive indeed... I'm wondering why they resemble him a bit thorugh. Perhaps it's because that the kushan magicans ha ssome of Ganishka's essence in them. Or perhaps they're all basically Ganishka's offspring and therefore bears a resemblence to him.

Huh? You're referring to the bald, monk-like people who control the familiars, right?  I don't see a resemblance between them and Ganishka...

Quote
Still, the fact that thye're controleld by the kushan magicans/spellcasters could mean that something has to be added or edited in the info on them on the Character page. The page says "They are fed human meat and live only to serve their master, Ganishka. " and the later part could be a bit incorrect at least; I imagined them to be independent, thorugh still loyal to Ganishka and thinking of nothing else but serving him and his needs, but in the light of the current episode, it looks like they're rather mindless without some magicans nearby (or possibly the prestence of Ganishka himself; it's after all not too far-fetched to think that he himself is a strong enough magican to control a whole army of them whereas it usually takes a group of his "lesser" magicans to control a group). Or perhaps, you might add to the page that "Like the pishacha, the daka are controled and their purpose directed by Ganishka's magicans" or soemthing...

The daka serve Ganishka as do the magicians who direct the daka.  Its not really a stretch to say that.

Quote
BTW, this is strictly speaking not the first time we've seen Ganishka's minions riding something. There's alo the pishacha and Makara in the beginning of vol 28 :P

You mean the makara crushing the pishacha?  I it was "riding them" ...
this is the first time we've seen a sort of cavalry of Ganishka's forces that wasn't human...
Title: Re: Episode 265
Post by: Dark Wanderer on November 12, 2005, 07:19:31 PM
Huh? You're referring to the bald, monk-like people who control the familiars, right?  I don't see a resemblance between them and Ganishka...

The teeth. All daka, pishacha and makara has that, and we know that Ganishka has VERY similar teeth.

Quote
The daka serve Ganishka as do the magicians who direct the daka.  Its not really a stretch to say that.

ookay, you may be right...

Quote
You mean the makara crushing the pishacha?  I it was "riding them" ...
this is the first time we've seen a sort of cavalry of Ganishka's forces that wasn't human...

XD. Open your vol 28 and you'll understand. But seriously it was/is just a half-joke on my part. But it's true...
Title: Re: Episode 265
Post by: CnC on November 12, 2005, 07:58:53 PM
The teeth. All daka, pishacha and makara has that, and we know that Ganishka has VERY similar teeth.

well the alligator and elephant familiars don't.  And neither do the priests (the topic of the conversation) that control the familiars.

XD. Open your vol 28 and you'll understand. But seriously it was/is just a half-joke on my part. But it's true...

You seem to imply that the makara was riding the gators, but in fact all its doing is crushing all that is in it's way.  Sorry if I missed the intricate subtleties of your humor.
Title: Re: Episode 265
Post by: Dark Wanderer on November 12, 2005, 08:16:26 PM
well the alligator and elephant familiars don't.  And neither do the priests (the topic of the conversation) that control the familiars.

That's tue, but I doubt he'd need to controlt he priests directly eiher. It's true for the crocs and the elephants through. B ut the Makara, daka and pishacha do. Besidedes, Ganishka's face with those teeths seems tob e a symbol or soemthign fo the kushan empire (remember the boat, among other things)...

Quote
You seem to imply that the makara was riding the gators, but in fact all its doing is crushing all that is in it's way.  Sorry if I missed the intricate subtleties of your humor.

*buries my face in my hands* *sigh* okay, I give up, then. Obiviously you didn't get it, but I hinted at that little picture Miura drew in the beginning (at the summary) of vol 28...
Title: Re: Episode 265
Post by: CnC on November 12, 2005, 09:37:16 PM
ah, now I get it....


...
hilarious
Title: Re: Episode 265
Post by: jepn30 on November 13, 2005, 07:19:25 AM
The mention of Miura being ill (which he isn't as far as we know) raises an even more disturbing thought; what if Miura died before finishing Berserk?
Title: Re: Episode 265
Post by: Aazealh on November 13, 2005, 08:22:41 AM
I always thought Studio Gaga and the others that help him did more. Much more.

Well, as far as I know Studio GAGA is just him and his 4 assistants (plus the editor)... By definition the assistants merely assist him while he does most of the job, I think it's normal. And it's usually not too hard to see what they work on, like some random nobles' faces (http://aazealh.net/Divers/Assistants-Nobles.jpg) in recent episodes. It's also not a secret that mangaka have very tight schedules in general, that's why they're single at 40 yo.

the less serious tone, to the point that the group regards monster slaying as a job, and jokes are now constant.

I don't think the tone is really less "serious", the mood is lighter than in past volumes but it's for a reason, just like the group's confidence in fighting monsters comes from experience, it didn't appear out of nowhere. Sure, there have been more jokes recently (not that there weren't any before), but it usually simply depends on the situation (were there many jokes in this episode?).

I'm kinda worried about Guts flunkies... will they coupe with so much Daka-cavalry?

I think they'll coupe (French for "cut, slash") them, yeah. :carcus: I'm not worried about them, they've coped with similiar situations before.

Not very exciting fights (would have like Guts to have SOME trouble with the Daka)

It would seem a little odd for someone able to take on apostles to have trouble with Daka, IMO.

I'm wondering why they resemble him a bit thorugh. Perhaps it's because that the kushan magicans ha ssome of Ganishka's essence in them. Or perhaps they're all basically Ganishka's offspring and therefore bears a resemblence to him.

Well, Ganishka's magic is used to create them. The casters supervising their creation all get their power from Ganishka, and he probably came up with the strange device used to do it, so that could play a role. As for Ganishka inseminating all the women himself, that's a rather interesting hypothesis (not sure you meant that though), even if I doubt it's the case based on the information (or lack of) we currently have about it. It's been speculated several times that the Daka could resemble Ganishka's apostle form in a way (I think I was the first to say so actually :badbone:), we'll see how it turns out eventually (assuming it's not just the fog of course).

Still, the fact that thye're controleld by the kushan magicans/spellcasters could mean that something has to be added or edited in the info on them on the Character page.

Much like CnC, I don't believe that's necessary.

it looks like they're rather mindless without some magicans nearby (or possibly the prestence of Ganishka himself; it's after all not too far-fetched to think that he himself is a strong enough magican to control a whole army of them whereas it usually takes a group of his "lesser" magicans to control a group).

Yes, of course I think we should assume that Ganishka is able to control a large portion of Pishacha/Daka/etc by himself. The Kushan casters are merely relaying and using his power by inhaling his fog, so as far as I'm concerned they're all his pawns.

BTW, this is strictly speaking not the first time we've seen Ganishka's minions riding something. There's alo the pishacha and Makara in the beginning of vol 28 :P

Here's what Dark Wanderer refers to, in case some people have trouble with the reference:

(http://skullknight.net/avatars/Makara.jpg)

It's true for the crocs and the elephants through. B ut the Makara, daka and pishacha do. Besidedes, Ganishka's face with those teeths seems tob e a symbol or soemthign fo the kushan empire (remember the boat, among other things)...

Keyboard's broken? :serpico: But yeah, the same Ganishka-like figure is often represented on Kushan stuff, from Daiba's ship to Ganishka's throne in Wyndham. Based on this, I suspect he might have big ears while in his apostle form. :chomp:

And it's indeed also recurrent with the familiars, the reason the crocodiles and elephants don't sport these teeth is probably because it wouldn't be very effective (both for the beasts in the story and as far as character design goes).

The mention of Miura being ill (which he isn't as far as we know) raises an even more disturbing thought; what if Miura died before finishing Berserk?

A disturbing thought that has been raised 500 times already, and for which Proj2501 even made a thread (http://www.skullknight.net/yabbse/index.php?topic=4881.0). So I'd appreciate it if we didn't have to go over it again.
Title: Re: Episode 265
Post by: Dark Wanderer on November 13, 2005, 11:47:25 AM
Well, Ganishka's magic is used to create them. The casters supervising their creation all get their power from Ganishka, and he probably came up with the strange device used to do it, so that could play a role..

That could be it, thorugh we have neither seen nor herd much of this. Raksha's explaination of wha tthe Daka are was not very specific; just explained in general what they are. I'd like our litte witch to explain what they are at some point, as she's done so far anyway. Of course, since the Daka seems to have proven to be rather mindless without any casters or Ganishka nearby, such an explainaton may never pop up as they'll just assisocate them with the pishacha (being of the "same kind").

Quote
As for Ganishka inseminating all the women himself, that's a rather interesting hypothesis (not sure you meant that though), even if I doubt it's the case based on the information (or lack of) we currently have about it.

I concur. Thrugh it is nonetheless a possibility, but alas, as you say also here your information's rather limited. Still, it could explain the teeth. Perhaps their skin too, as black/dark skin is a dominant colour when a kid's made (of course, this doens't necressarilly mean that Ganishka himself is involited, it might just means that the women in question were raped by the kushans).

Quote
It's been speculated several times that the Daka could resemble Ganishka's apostle form in a way (I think I was the first to say so actually :badbone:), we'll see how it turns out eventually (assuming it's not just the fog of course).

Could be that too. I'd sure like to know in any even... :schierke:<- Enlight us, please!

Quote
Much like CnC, I don't believe that's necessary.

Motion turned down then :)

Quote
Yes, of course I think we should assume that Ganishka is able to control a large portion of Pishacha/Daka/etc by himself. The Kushan casters are merely relaying and using his power by inhaling his fog, so as far as I'm concerned they're all his pawns..

*nods* The battle in vol 27 seems to be proof (more or less) that he can control  a large amount of the carious "etc"'s you mentioned. But as for the normal casters.. Well, evidence up until now would suggest it's easiest for them to control Daka, as only one seems to be needed for the task, while a group seems to be needed for the various pishacha (perhaps because that the daka may be more human than the pishacha and thus easier to control...?). So comapred to Ganishka, they're rather weak, merely pawns as far as we know. Some, like Daiba, could be a bit different through.

Quote
Here's what Dark Wanderer refers to, in case some people have trouble with the reference:

(http://skullknight.net/avatars/Makara.jpg)

That's it, yes. I hoped to crack a smile or two with that refeence ;). The pic was probably drawn to crack a smile or two, but it's also true that besides the recent episode, it's a pic we see where one of Ganishka's minions ride another :).

Quote
Keyboard's broken? :serpico:..

No, but if I writte in a hurry and without cheking, thet's the result. If we ever meet in the chat, I daresy say you'd see a few real-time examples there. But yesterday, I was too tired to spell-check propertly -_-. But as for the keyboard, it's fine and I have two back-ups in case this would break somehow :D.

Quote
But yeah, the same Ganishka-like figure is often represented on Kushan stuff, from Daiba's ship to Ganishka's throne in Wyndham. Based on this, I suspect he might have big ears while in his apostle form. :chomp:

Heh, another thing to look forward to: The day we see Ganishka's apostle form!! ^_^.

Quote
And it's indeed also recurrent with the familiars, the reason the crocodiles and elephants don't sport these teeth is probably because it wouldn't be very effective (both for the beasts in the story and as far as character design goes).

*nods* The crocs, as far as that matter goes, have effective enough jaws without more teeth. and as for the elephants... Well, can't think of an apparent reason myself there expect those you just mentioned :).

Quote
A disturbing thought that has been raised 500 times already, and for which Proj2501 even made a thread (http://www.skullknight.net/yabbse/index.php?topic=4881.0). So I'd appreciate it if we didn't have to go over it again.

For myself, as far as that subject goes, I say "Let's hope it won't happen" and that's it. Back to the current topic...
Title: Re: Episode 265
Post by: Aazealh on November 13, 2005, 12:38:23 PM
That could be it, thorugh we have neither seen nor herd much of this.
Thrugh it is nonetheless a possibility, but alas, as you say also here your information's rather limited. Still, it could explain the teeth.

Some familiars also feature "Ganishkan" teeth though, that hints more at Ganishka's magic being responsible for their condition (especially since they return to normal once dead) than him inseminating the girls or any other theory, unless he inseminates tigers and (sperm) whales too. :troll: Of course, it could always be more complicated than that, we'll have to wait & see what Miura decided, as usual.

Well, evidence up until now would suggest it's easiest for them to control Daka, as only one seems to be needed for the task, while a group seems to be needed for the various pishacha (perhaps because that the daka may be more human than the pishacha and thus easier to control...?)

Familiars require a spirit to be placed (and kept?) within an animal, while Daka are "born" like they are and apparently don't need this treatment. Same thing with the transformation the beasts undergo, the Daka obviously don't need it. Animals also have some individual will, while the Daka have completely vacant eyes and seem to be mindless. That could play a role. Also, a good amount of Daka were already dead when Guts shot that caster, maybe there were others present that retreated after the troops they controlled died. Would Schierke still be able to spot them if this was the case? Hard to say.

Some, like Daiba, could be a bit different through.

He's a lieutenant of Ganishka apparently, so he's bound to have more power/authority/knowledge/independency.

No, but if I writte in a hurry and without cheking, thet's the result. [...] But yesterday, I was too tired to spell-check propertly -_-.

Well, there's a spell checking tool integrated into the board, so it shouldn't be too hard to do even if you don't feel like spell checking yourself.

The crocs, as far as that matter goes, have effective enough jaws without more teeth.

Yeah, Ganishkan teeth would be a lot less effective actually.
Title: Re: Episode 265
Post by: Dark Wanderer on November 13, 2005, 03:11:54 PM
Some familiars also feature "Ganishkan" teeth though, that hints more at Ganishka's magic being responsible for their condition (especially since they return to normal once dead) than him inseminating the girls or any other theory, unless he inseminates tigers and (sperm) whales too. :troll:

:o! Now you succeeded in putting some WEIRD images in my head! -_-. but I hope this is not the case. Still, it's a vaild argument for the fact that the teeth doesn't necressarily mean they're Ganishka's offspring.

Quote
Of course, it could always be more complicated than that, we'll have to wait & see what Miura decided, as usual.

As ususally. As with so many other things in the story :D.

Quote
Familiars require a spirit to be placed (and kept?) within an animal, while Daka are "born" like they are and apparently don't need this treatment. Same thing with the transformation the beasts undergo, the Daka obviously don't need it. Animals also have some individual will, while the Daka have completely vacant eyes and seem to be mindless. That could play a role.

*nods* right, so in short: they're less independent than the animals are. Assumed that this theory is the case, at least...

Quote
Also, a good amount of Daka were already dead when Guts shot that caster, maybe there were others present that retreated after the troops they controlled died. Would Schierke still be able to spot them if this was the case? Hard to say.

Oh, right, it didn't cross my mind that there might have been others around which may have retreated rather than stay and get slaughtered after watching the group's fightning power. Or perhaps there was more magicans, but further away who decided that only daka would be enoguh to dela with them. Thus, the current Makara and other forces could be their counter-move towards Guts group in particular; if they 8the group) have caught the attention of the kushans, they may have realized that drastic means is needed to deal with Guts group in particular.

Quote
He's a lieutenant of Ganishka apparently, so he's bound to have more power/authority/knowledge/independency.

*nods* That's to be expected...

Quote
Well, there's a spell checking tool integrated into the board, so it shouldn't be too hard to do even if you don't feel like spell checking yourself.

Oh, right, I totally forgot that fuction! ^^;;;. In that case, next time I have had a serious lack of sleep, I'll use it :).

Quote
Yeah, Ganishkan teeth would be a lot less effective actually.

If I remember correctly, crocodile jaws are among the strongest jaws in the world, so if they got Ganishkan teeth, they would only get in the way (break, slow the bite, etc), so battle-wise, it's not a good move to give them such teeth. The other familairs are probably an other matter through...
Title: Re: Episode 265
Post by: Un_Colombiano on November 13, 2005, 08:27:04 PM
we gotta wait till Dec 22 for another episode?! ouch!!!
Title: Re: Episode 265
Post by: bodhista on November 14, 2005, 12:09:08 AM
It will be an early Xmas present!  :guts:
Thanks again for the episode guys!  Series keeps getting better and better!
Title: Re: Episode 265
Post by: fuxberg on November 15, 2005, 05:29:50 PM

Yeah, Ganishkan teeth would be a lot less effective actually.

the tiger pichacha have Ganishikan teeth.. Tought the animal in its original state has quite.. efective? teeth..  :schierke:

i thinks its a rather visual effect than an "improvement" to the poor things
Title: Re: Episode 265
Post by: Ramen4ever on November 15, 2005, 08:53:42 PM
Maybe Miura is just making a statement...
Things with ugly crooked and jagged teeth are scary. :puck: (A normal croc will just scare some People, but one with a scary face + ability to walk on its hind legs + use human weapons might freeze people in their tracks. Thats why we can observe most humans who go against the creatures being torn to shreds without even lifting a finger.
I bet its just a giant campaign to sponsor braces :schierke: that is.. unless you wanna look like Ganishka :carcus:
Title: Re: Episode 265
Post by: Aazealh on November 15, 2005, 09:48:45 PM
the tiger pichacha have Ganishikan teeth.. Tought the animal in its original state has quite.. efective? teeth..  :schierke:

Their jaw doesn't work like crocodile jaws. While with the tigers these huge teeth still work the way Miura designed them, it wouldn't be the case with crocs because of the way their jaw is. I'm not going to start a biology class so look it up on some specialized site if you want more info.

i thinks its a rather visual effect than an "improvement" to the poor things

I think it's both, but obviously the point is to have them look like monsters (and not just normal tigers) and "resemble" Ganishka a bit.

Thats why we can observe most humans who go against the creatures being torn to shreds without even lifting a finger.

Well, the monsters are also very fast and strong, that helps... There's more to them than just looking scary. :schierke:
Title: Re: Episode 265
Post by: Dark Wanderer on November 15, 2005, 10:00:33 PM
Well, the monsters are also very fast and strong, that helps... There's more to them than just looking scary. :schierke:

I'm not too sure. Fear can be a powerful factor too; if your opponent is too shocked/paraplysed by fear when attacked, he's dead meat unless he recovers quicker than you strike. And as far as we've sene in the world of berserk, people are generally rather scared of the supernatural beings we've encountered so far. But of course they can muster the courage to fight them like the villagers of the Inoku village against the trolls and more recently Roderick against the tigers...'

But of course you're right too; if the familiars of Ganishka weren't also fast or strong, they'd be much less feared...
Title: Re: Episode 265
Post by: Aazealh on November 15, 2005, 10:22:05 PM
I'm not too sure.
But of course you're right too; if the familiars of Ganishka weren't also fast or strong, they'd be much less feared...

So, you're not too sure but I'm right? Better decide yourself. They're very powerful troops overall, faster and stronger than normal people (like Vritannis' guards), so like I said there's more to them than just looking scary... Or do you disagree with that? If not, I don't see the point of your post.
Title: Re: Episode 265
Post by: Dark Wanderer on November 15, 2005, 10:51:06 PM
So, you're not too sure but I'm right? Better decide yourself. They're very powerful troops overall, faster and stronger than normal people (like Vritannis' guards), so like I said there's more to them than just looking scary... Or do you disagree with that? If not, I don't see the point of your post.

Well, it did seem to me like you underestiamted the factor of fear :P. Faster? The tigers and daka, probably. Perhaps not the crocs through. Stronger? That's anyone's guess. skilled thorugh? I don't know, expect for the Daka. Speaking for myself, I think that they wouldn't make even half of the damage they do now without the benefit of being scary, as it often seems to scare prople from even trying to do anything about them.
Title: Re: Episode 265
Post by: Aazealh on November 15, 2005, 11:31:17 PM
Well, it did seem to me like you underestiamted the factor of fear :P.

What made you think so in my post, exactly? I don't see anything that would imply this.

Faster? The tigers and daka, probably. Perhaps not the crocs through. Stronger? That's anyone's guess.

The crocodiles can also be faster, they naturally can as a matter of fact (just look at the panels where they lunge and cut people in half). As for anyone's guess at them being stronger? Are you joking? Or maybe you don't pay attention when reading the episodes? Even so... Crocodiles, tigers, elephant, they all have more strength than humans without being familiars. Remember the croc that broke through the door of the cabin on the beach? Or the elephants breaking stone statues effortlessly in Wyndham? The tigers tearing people's heads off like it's nothing? They're stronger, no doubt.

Speaking for myself, I think that they wouldn't make even half of the damage they do now without the benefit of being scary

Well that's a rather bold assumption, really. What hints at this? What makes you think so basically? You talked about Roderick trying to fight a tiger, what was the result? He would be dead without Farnese. There's no doubt that the whole setting impresses their opponents and makes victory easier because they're not really fighting back (chaos, etc), but it seems presumptuous to me to assert that they wouldn't be half as strong without "looking scary"... These beasts are already fearsome in their natural state, being easily able to kill humans (have you ever seen a real tiger or crocodile?). And they're made into magical monsters mostly immune to conventional weapons (either silver is needed or they have to be fatally wounded), with probably more physical strength too. Do you think it's the same for apostles by the way? They're only strong because they're scary?
Title: Re: Episode 265
Post by: Rhombaad on November 15, 2005, 11:36:06 PM
I have to agree with Aaz here.  While they might look scary, I doubt its the intention of Ganishka himself to "paralyze" the people/soldiers with fear in order to overcome them.  It's their enhanced strength (even their normal strength would be enough against an average human soldier) and speed.  Otherwise, since crocs and tigers are scary by themselves, why transform them?
Title: Re: Episode 265
Post by: Dark Wanderer on November 16, 2005, 12:05:46 AM
What made you think so in my post, exactly? I don't see anything that would imply this.

The "There's more to them than just looking scary"-part...

Quote
The crocodiles can also be faster, they naturally can as a matter of fact (just look at the panels where they lunge and cut people in half). As for anyone's guess at them being stronger? Are you joking? Or maybe you don't pay attention when reading the episodes? Even so... Crocodiles, tigers, elephant, they all have more strength than humans without being familiars. Remember the croc that broke through the door of the cabin on the beach? Or the elephants breaking stone statues effortlessly in Wyndham? The tigers tearing people's heads off like it's nothing? They're stronger, no doubt.

Ookay, not much argumentation from me this point. Through I can perhaps still say that at elast the crocs aren'too skiled at using their tools :P

Quote
Well that's a rather bold assumption, really. What hints at this? What makes you think so basically?

The fact that msot people when confronted by a familair or Daka, seem to pretty much not even try to fight back but either cover or run back in fear

Quote
You talked about Roderick trying to fight a tiger, what was the result?
He would be dead without Farnese.

I used that as an example, yes, but I never said it was a good idea for most people to try and fight them alone, I just pointed out that few seem to muster enough courage to even try. But If a group of people attacking a troll can defeat it, then there's no reason for why a group of soldiers shuldn't be able to handle a familiar...

Quote
There's no doubt that the whole setting impresses their opponents and makes victory easier because they're not really fighting back (chaos, etc), but it seems presumptuous to me to assert that they wouldn't be half as strong without "looking scary"... These beasts are already fearsome in their natural state, being easily able to kill humans (have you ever seen a real tiger or crocodile?).

Still, their natural power can also be said to be part of thier scaryness (besides, as you asked me, I wonder how many of the nobles or fot soldiers or even citizens that has seen crocs or tigers for real, so this could also add up to their scaryness). But, yes, you have a bit of a point; if they could not fight or kill at all, they woulsn't be as scary, but fear often makes the thing more fearsome than the thign really is, so... thing is, as I've said, that few ever rally try to fight them. and for the record: Yep, I've seen tigers and crocs for real. Even touched one of the alter mentioned ones...

Quote
And they're made into magical monsters mostly immune to conventional weapons (either silver is needed or they have to be fatally wounded), with probably more physical strength too.

Now, THIS culd be soemthign I missed,t hrough. I was udner th eimpressiont hat they were more sensentive to silver, yes, but immune to conventional weapons? The nobles managed to slay them, althrough thye were by then held by Schierke's magic, so they're hardly immune (perhaps a bit more difficult to slow down through).

Quote
you think it's the same for apostles by the way? They're only strong because they're scary?

Of course not! but apostles are also on a whole different level than Ganishka's creatures, expect the Makara; apostles regenerate, can attach fallen body parts, are often big as hell (meaning a normal sword won't do you much good) and have many uniquite abilties; tough skin (Locus, Bolkoff, Grunbeld), flying (Roshinu) and so on... That's a whole differnet level to talk on, IMHO.

I have to agree with Aaz here. While they might look scary, I doubt its the intention of Ganishka himself to "paralyze" the people/soldiers with fear in order to overcome them. It's their enhanced strength (even their normal strength would be enough against an average human soldier) and speed. Otherwise, since crocs and tigers are scary by themselves, why transform them?

My point is, I think fear and chaos of them or caused by them does at least half of their work But of course, if they were't also effective killers, there would be enither as much chaos nor fear present.
Title: Re: Episode 265
Post by: Rhombaad on November 16, 2005, 01:37:42 AM
My point is, I think fear and chaos of them or caused by them does at least half of their work But of course, if they were't also effective killers, there would be enither as much chaos nor fear present.

So you're saying if we took away the fear and, let's say, had a bunch of happy looking fuzzy bears crashing through windows and tearing the heads off of nobles, they'd be half as effective?
Title: Re: Episode 265
Post by: Aazealh on November 16, 2005, 01:42:49 AM
The "There's more to them than just looking scary"-part...

Yeah, and there's more to them than just looking scary indeed, right? How does it imply that fear doesn't play a role? It doesn't. So in short this discussion is pointless.

I can perhaps still say that at elast the crocs aren'too skiled at using their tools :P

Well they don't seem to have trouble throwing their spears, so I don't see why you're saying that. They throw them with strength and accuracy, what else do you need?

The fact that msot people when confronted by a familair or Daka, seem to pretty much not even try to fight back but either cover or run back in fear

That's not answering my question, not in a satisfying way at least. And there's a reason as to why they don't try to fight back: because they'd die.

I used that as an example, yes, but I never said it was a good idea for most people to try and fight them alone, I just pointed out that few seem to muster enough courage to even try.

So you used an example proving your statement wrong. Even if they have the courage to try, they fail. What else to say?

But If a group of people attacking a troll can defeat it, then there's no reason for why a group of soldiers shuldn't be able to handle a familiar...

Yeah, a large enough group. And what's the point again? That 50 soldiers against 1 familiar could kill it? Very pertinent. And it's not the case here, familiars are in large enough numbers to deal with Vritannis' guards without any problem, whether they fight back or not. If it was just a single familiar against all the guards, do you think they'd run away? Your point really seems dubious to me because it's honestly rather obvious that familiars and Daka are more powerful troops than the average soldier.

Still, their natural power can also be said to be part of thier scaryness

Great way to turn the point upside down. Their strength makes them scary, so being scary is half their strength.

The nobles managed to slay them, althrough thye were by then held by Schierke's magic, so they're hardly immune (perhaps a bit more difficult to slow down through).

What, you didn't read what I wrote? They need to be heavily wounded or hit in a vital spot, otherwise normal weapons don't have much effect. The nobles ganged up and mangled them while they were paralyzed, but stabbing one like Roderick did is useless. They're of course not completely immune, which is why I didn't say so. In the end conventional weapons still aren't as effective on them as they'd be on normal people.

My point is, I think fear and chaos of them or caused by them does at least half of their work But of course, if they were't also effective killers, there would be enither as much chaos nor fear present.

So, the chaos and ambient terror facilitate the city's annihilation? Who disagreed with that? Nobody as far as I know; it goes without saying. If that's really just what you wanted to say, these 2 lines would have been enough... It doesn't change the fact that the familiars and Daka are fearsome for a good reason: because they're supernatural monsters and real killing machines. To say that "without the benefit of being scary" they wouldn't do half the damage they're doing right now is really just a baseless assumption, doubly irrelevant since doing a lot of "damage" is mainly what makes them scary. That gets me back to what I said at the beginning of this post: that this discussion (argument?) has no reason to be.

PS: Here's a live re-creation of the events in Vritannis. (http://www.grapheine.com/bombaytv/playuk.php?id=217176)
Title: Re: Episode 265
Post by: Kagami on November 16, 2005, 04:26:22 AM
PS: Here's a live re-creation of the events in Vritannis. (http://www.grapheine.com/bombaytv/playuk.php?id=217176)

dwaaa!

how long did that take to make ;)
Title: Re: Episode 265
Post by: Aazealh on November 16, 2005, 04:37:37 AM
how long did that take to make ;)

A minute or so, it's pretty fast. Griffith, Wally and I had fun with these tonight. :void:
Title: Re: Episode 265
Post by: Tirade on November 16, 2005, 05:18:50 AM
A minute or so, it's pretty fast. Griffith, Wally and I had fun with these tonight. :void:

Wow!!! LMAO!!!!  That was a hoot, Aaz.  Thanks for the laugh.
Title: Re: Episode 265
Post by: Rhombaad on November 16, 2005, 06:57:54 AM
Haha, good stuff. XD
Title: Re: Episode 265
Post by: CnC on November 16, 2005, 12:15:49 PM
mmm... goodness
berserk season 2
Title: Re: Episode 265
Post by: Psymont 2.0 on November 16, 2005, 04:40:56 PM
that was so hot  :carcus:
Title: Re: Episode 265
Post by: Klaus on November 16, 2005, 06:16:53 PM
@Aazealh: Arrgh....you stole my idea :miura: Just kidding...but Miura should consider the idea for Berserk. A classic Bollywood movie is on my mind where Guts and Griffith are singing most of the time....about loving and hating each other and stuff... :???:
Title: Re: Episode 265
Post by: Walter on November 16, 2005, 06:17:31 PM
mmm... goodness
berserk season 2
DID u SAY SEAZON 2?!??
Title: Re: Episode 265
Post by: Dark Wanderer on November 16, 2005, 06:49:05 PM
Yeah, and there's more to them than just looking scary indeed, right? How does it imply that fear doesn't play a role? It doesn't. So in short this discussion is pointless.

*shrugs* I thorught it sounded rather like you underestimated the fear they instill in their opponents...

Quote
Well they don't seem to have trouble throwing their spears, so I don't see why you're saying that. They throw them with strength and accuracy, what else do you need?

Better accuraty? :P. But alright, with that kind of force, hitting an arm, leg or torso wouldn't really matter...

Quote
That's not answering my question, not in a satisfying way at least. And there's a reason as to why they don't try to fight back: because they'd die.

And if they don't fight back they still mostly die anyway ::). Yeah, I know, it's like Luca says at one point: Cowards survive more often than those who are no cowards. Still, that may not matter much against the familiars. and standing paraplysed by fear is even worse than not trying at all (or running away, if you prefer).

Quote
So you used an example proving your statement wrong. Even if they have the courage to try, they fail. What else to say?

That it is in many cases better to try? ^_-. Especially if there's no way out. And as I said, it isn't totally impossible to win against the familiars or the Daka, so their situation isn't completety hopeless...

Quote
Yeah, a large enough group. And what's the point again? That 50 soldiers against 1 familiar could kill it? Very pertinent.

Nah, 5 might be enough to deal with a familiar, I think. But as the soldiers of Vritannis are now for the first (and perhaps last) time facing Daka, I don't thinkt they've deleoped any recommendable tactics/strategies against Daka or familiars...

Quote
And it's not the case here, familiars are in large enough numbers to deal with
Vritannis' guards without any problem, whether they fight back or not. If it was
just a single familiar against all the guards, do you think they'd run away? Your
point really seems dubious to me because it's honestly rather obvious that familiars  and Daka are more powerful troops than the average soldier.

Perhaps, but OTOH, I don't believe we've seen much of defense from the side of the "average" soldier, it's just been  lots of fear and chaos, IMHO ^_-. Tha'ts one reaosn of why I'm looking forward to future episodes; the fight further in on land, the coming of the old man, etc...

On a side note, didn't Serpico mention that one of the smaller countires had experience in fightning the kushans? If so I wonder if that means that they've encountered their familiars and Daka before...

Quote
Great way to turn the point upside down. Their strength makes them scary, so being scary is half their strength.

That too :)...

Quote
What, you didn't read what I wrote? They need to be heavily wounded or hit in a vital spot, otherwise normal weapons don't have much effect. The nobles ganged up and mangled them while they were paralyzed, but stabbing one like Roderick did is useless. They're of course not completely immune, which is why I didn't say so. In the end conventional weapons still aren't as effective on them as they'd be on normal people.

I see; so it's not a matter of that they have to be hit by a +5 weapon or so :P. Still, jokes aside, that more or less sumarizes it; thrusting a sword in a familiar will only annoy it, no more...

Quote
So, the chaos and ambient terror facilitate the city's annihilation? Who disagreed with that? Nobody as far as I know; it goes without saying. If that's really just what you wanted to say, these 2 lines would have been enough... It doesn't change the fact that the familiars and Daka are fearsome for a good reason: because they're supernatural monsters and real killing machines. To say that "without the benefit of being scary" they wouldn't do half the damage they're doing right now is really just a baseless assumption, doubly irrelevant since doing a lot of "damage" is mainly what makes them scary.

That TOO. Still, as I said, it shall be intereting to see how things develop in the regard to these things in coming episodes...

Quote
That gets me back to what I said at the beginning of this post: that this discussion (argument?) has no reason to be

Perhaps, but Dec 22 is still a long way away, so we have plenty of freetime to use, even if only to fool around, don't we? ;D

Quote
PS: Here's a live re-creation of the events in Vritannis. (http://www.grapheine.com/bombaytv/playuk.php?id=217176)

Splendly done!! XD
Title: Re: Episode 265
Post by: Mad Angel Loki on November 16, 2005, 08:33:50 PM
LOL for your video Aaz  XD
Title: Re: Episode 265
Post by: CnC on November 16, 2005, 08:34:59 PM
DID u SAY SEAZON 2?!??

Its official!
Title: Re: Episode 265
Post by: dawy on November 16, 2005, 10:19:27 PM
Very funny video, Aazeahl. Old school Bollywood rules... :guts:
Title: Re: Episode 265
Post by: Aazealh on November 17, 2005, 01:21:46 AM
@Aazealh: Arrgh....you stole my idea :miura:

Hehe well, I seem to remember making Captain Planet jokes before that flash of yours came out. :zodd: Speaking of which, we want the second seas.. version of your flash animation! :guts: Anyway, I'm glad you guys like that video. Now, on to the pamphlet...

*shrugs* I thorught it sounded rather like you underestimated the fear they instill in their opponents...

Yeah well, like I tried to imply before, nothing in my post says that I underestimate the fear they induce, I'm just being sensible about it.

And if they don't fight back they still mostly die anyway ::). Yeah, I know, it's like Luca says at one point: Cowards survive more often than those who are no cowards.

So? Isn't their decision (more like a reflex) to retreat understandable? Some of them are escaping alive, like the guards Guts & co saved, or the nobles, etc. If these people had rushed to fight, they'd be dead, and right now they are not. And most of the time they don't have time to escape, nor to even fight back at all. It's besides the point anyway, they don't have what it takes to face the assailants, it's also part of the Kushan strategy.

You're totally deviating the topic here, and ignoring Rhombaad's reply by the same occasion. Of course if the defenders organized themselves and tried to use tactics to hold positions against the monsters they'd get more results, I don't think that even needs to be said. Does it change anything to the original point though? No. The Pishacha aren't just casting spells to "Instill Fear" like in EverQuest, they're powerful supernatural beasts and that's why they're scary. I really don't see what you want to do here, you're just stating the obvious and trying to make an (IMO) awkward point.

standing paraplysed by fear is even worse than not trying at all (or running away, if you prefer).

If running away means staying alive and being able to plan a counter offensive, it's not worse. Now about "standing paralyzed", the manga shows us still scenes, but that doesn't necessarily mean people are petrified... It's just that the Pishacha are too fast for them, like on the docks in episode 263, they don't have time to either flee or fight back, or do anything at all. It's a surprise attack, so it's normal for the surprise element to play a role...

And as I said, it isn't totally impossible to win against the familiars or the Daka, so their situation isn't completety hopeless...

Because it's not totally impossible doesn't mean it's possible in the current situation.

Nah, 5 might be enough to deal with a familiar, I think. But as the soldiers of Vritannis are now for the first (and perhaps last) time facing Daka, I don't thinkt they've deleoped any recommendable tactics/strategies against Daka or familiars...

Yeah, you "think". Not that I disagree, but this doesn't change anything here. Since the Daka aren't 1 to 5 against Vritannis' guards, it's not looking too good either way. As for developing strategies... Again, it's a surprise attack, half the town already died (or is about to) in a matter of minutes.

I don't believe we've seen much of defense from the side of the "average" soldier, it's just been  lots of fear and chaos

They haven't really had the opportunity to do anything, since they died before they could understand what was happening to them. That's where chaos and fear come from. If the Pishacha had just standed there doing nothing, people wouldn't be afraid. Same thing if soldiers were able to successfully hold them back.

Tha'ts one reaosn of why I'm looking forward to future episodes; the fight further in on land, the coming of the old man, etc...

If the Hawks appear to fight the Kushans, there shouldn't be too many problems. Even their humans troops should be well prepared to fight against supernatural creatures (plus they'd probably be able to swarm them if there aren't more Pishacha/Daka in reserve), and with apostles to back them up they shouldn't suffer too many losses. As for the other armies though... I'm afraid the Kushans would have something in stock to destabilize and then massacre them, just like they're doing in Vritannis now (less easily of course given the numbers/skills involved, I'd expect the battle to be a bit more equitable). It also depends whether the fog would reduce their visibility or not. Urban fights suit the familiars very well because they can strike suddenly, "out of nowhere". They're less at their advantage in open fields, where archers can pelt them with arrows and infantry react accordingly to the evolution of the battle.

On a side note, didn't Serpico mention that one of the smaller countires had experience in fightning the kushans? If so I wonder if that means that they've encountered their familiars and Daka before...

Morgar and Walatoria have fought against the Kushans many times before, yes. I don't think they've encountered too many Pishacha and Daka though, maybe a few but if it had been on a large scale they probably wouldn't exist anymore.

Dec 22 is still a long way away, so we have plenty of freetime to use, even if only to fool around, don't we? ;D

Sure, I'd prefer us to be constructive and discuss interesting topics though, not insisting on subjective and groundless notions.
Title: Re: Episode 265
Post by: xbigvmanx on November 18, 2005, 07:52:22 AM
Its official!

You might have a link that points this out that its official? Any details about it?
Title: Re: Episode 265
Post by: Aazealh on November 18, 2005, 08:01:35 AM
You might have a link that points this out that its official? Any details about it?

He was lying, it's a joke. There's no second season, sorry.
Title: Re: Episode 265
Post by: SaiyajinNoOuji on November 18, 2005, 08:12:21 AM
He was lying, it's a joke. There's no second season, sorry.
Thats not what my brothers friend's cousin said, he said that he heard it from this one website on the internets!  :troll:

Seriously though, We have a long time before the next episode comes out.... yup.... in a month+.... MmmHmm.... so... yeaaa.....

....
.. . . ...







How big is Guts sword?
Title: Re: Episode 265
Post by: Aazealh on November 18, 2005, 08:39:22 AM
How big is Guts sword?

You mean Guts' sword? :puck:

Big. :SK:
Title: Re: Episode 265
Post by: Walter on November 18, 2005, 12:30:27 PM
He was lying, it's a joke. There's no second season, sorry.
That's not what my friend told me   :miura: Prove it!!!  :judo:
Title: Re: Episode 265
Post by: CnC on November 19, 2005, 02:43:00 AM
(do I actually need to say that this is bullshit?)

Yes, because otherwise you'd have your post deleted.  :troll:
Title: Re: Episode 265
Post by: Aazealh on November 19, 2005, 04:07:39 AM
Yes, because otherwise you'd have your post deleted.

Really, I'm not sure saying anything redeems it... The best jokes are the shortest, no need to go on forever about it. Especially since Walter already summed it up perfectly, replying again doesn't add anything to it, it's just redundant. It's better to know when to drop a topic before it gets old.
Title: Re: Episode 265
Post by: xechnao on November 22, 2005, 01:01:25 AM
Thanks for the episode!

A thought: could it be that Ganishka is watching the man that killed the first makara?
I mean could it be something more of a coincidence this one?
Title: Re: Episode 265
Post by: Walter on November 22, 2005, 02:31:34 AM
Thanks for the episode!

A thought: could it be that Ganishka is watching the man that killed the first makara?
I mean could it be something more of a coincidence this one?
What gives you the impression Ganishka is personally watching each Makara?  As far as we know, Daiba is the only one keeping tabs on the individual forces.

Then again, we know so little about Ganishka's interaction and sentience with the fog, it's tough to be certain of anything.

Supposing Ganishka IS watching everything, what's he gonna do about it?  :griff:
Title: Re: Episode 265
Post by: Rhombaad on November 22, 2005, 03:08:49 AM
What gives you the impression Ganishka is personally watching each Makara?  As far as we know, Daiba is the only one keeping tabs on the individual forces.

Then again, we know so little about Ganishka's interaction and sentience with the fog, it's tough to be certain of anything.

Supposing Ganishka IS watching everything, what's he gonna do about it?  :griff:

Fog 'em up. :badbone:
Title: Re: Episode 265
Post by: xechnao on November 22, 2005, 03:36:56 AM
Perhaps Daiba reported that a makara was slain by somebody back then.
 As he confessed, this was extraordinary, perhaps worth noting and perhaps initially suspected having to do with Griffith.
Or perhaps it's Daiba looking for Guts...dunno
The core of this question is if this makara encounter could be more than the random chaos at Vritannis
Title: Re: Episode 265
Post by: Walter on November 22, 2005, 03:43:26 AM
So amidst a full scale invasion, there's also an independant Makara assassin sent after Guts?  :???: Or maybe they're in collusion!

(http://mgs3.bonusweb.cz/mgs2/pix/frekvence/codec_mgs2_colonel.gif): Makara, your mission is to infiltrate Vritannis and begin the invasion, but also to assassinate this man! (http://fanboy.net/akon12/06010030.jpg)

Seriously though, why make the situation more complicated? Why can't the obvious reason be the actual one? The Makara is part of the invasion, just like all the other forces.
Title: Re: Episode 265
Post by: Noid on November 22, 2005, 08:01:15 PM
(http://www.ojosdemako.com/MED_MGS3Croc3.jpg)

the REAL Naked Pishacha
Title: Re: Episode 265
Post by: QUeeN typhonblue on December 09, 2005, 07:50:47 PM
How big is Guts sword?

Why don't you suck on it and find out.  :carcus:
Title: Re: Episode 265
Post by: SaiyajinNoOuji on December 09, 2005, 09:11:20 PM
Why don't you suck on it and find out.  :carcus:
Do you kiss your mother with that mouth?! Cause if so, I like where this is going!   :guts:
Title: Re: Episode 265
Post by: CnC on December 09, 2005, 09:37:09 PM
Do you kiss your mother with that mouth?! Cause if so, I like where this is going!   :guts:

Take your oedipus complex elsewhere, buster.

Oh, I'm sorry, I thought this was the "insult the previous poster" thread.
Title: Re: Episode 265
Post by: QUeeN typhonblue on December 10, 2005, 01:22:51 AM
I thought it was the "make fun of teh noobs" thread.  :casca:
Title: Re: Episode 265
Post by: CnC on December 10, 2005, 03:10:23 AM
I thought it was the "make fun of teh noobs" thread.  :casca:

which one? this one or that one?  Either way, huh?
Title: Re: Episode 265
Post by: Nomad on December 16, 2005, 09:22:56 AM
  Good video Aaz.