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Title: Vagabond Returns (Spoilers).
Post by: Uriel on June 19, 2006, 12:17:57 PM
Volume 21 is out tomorrow!

(http://www.viz.com/products/images/products/pd/pd6012.jpg) (http://www.viz.com/products/images/products/pd/pd6105.jpg)[/list]

Ahh, I've been waiting for this for bloody ages. I know a few people on the boards here at SK.net are following the series *coughWaltercough*, so I wanted to share the joy I'm experiencing right now. Volume 22 is also out soon, dated at Aug. 15.. this is great, but isn't the series just at 22 in Japan? I know Inoue took some sort of hiatus from the series.. but man, Viz is eager to put this one out!

Anyway, I figured this might become a Vagabond Discussion thread of sorts, for the people avidly following it. And also for those who aren't... shame on you :puck:

Edit: Did VIZ change the look of the manga again?! They are a collectors worst nightmare.
Title: Re: Vagabond Returns.
Post by: Walter on June 19, 2006, 04:31:51 PM
Volume 21 is out tomorrow!
Actually, it's been out for about 2 weeks now.  :guts:  Viz apparently shipped it early.  I was in a Borders bookstore (the only bookstore chain that carries Vagabond...) 2 weeks ago, and checked for it on a whim, and there it sat, waiting for me.  I called Griff and told him, and sure enough, even in CA, Vagabond 21 had shipped early.  So go check now!
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Ahh, I've been waiting for this for bloody ages. I know a few people on the boards here at SK.net are following the series *coughWaltercough*, so I wanted to share the joy I'm experiencing right now.
I've been experiencing it for 2 weeks! I just finished re-reading through volume 1-21 yesterday too, so I'm on a bit of a Vagabond high.

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Volume 22 is also out soon, dated at Aug. 15.. this is great, but isn't the series just at 22 in Japan? I know Inoue took some sort of hiatus from the series.. but man, Viz is eager to put this one out!
23 is coming out June 23rd in Japan (Viz has it slated for Oct. 24).  Me and Griff have been keeping up with the episodes (or is it chapters for Vagabond...? no one seems to know).  Plenty of cool stuff still to happen in this arc.   :carcus:

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Edit: Did VIZ change the look of the manga again?! They are a collectors worst nightmare.
Not really, just a small new Viz logo on the cover and theyve changed their "Editor's Choice" to "Viz Signature Series."  Other than the new logo at the top, the spine looks the same, and that's all that really matters to me as far as uniformity is concerned. 

And don't go dissing Viz, I've never had this good a corporation/consumer relationship before.  They're hot on the heels of the japanese releases, and they release really quick, with little to no errors (I can't find any anyway...).   I wish Dark Horse treated Berserk as well as Viz does Vagabond.

PS: POST HERE ONCE YOU GUYS GET IT, cause I'd like to talk about it.
Title: Re: Vagabond Returns.
Post by: Proj2501 on June 19, 2006, 04:57:41 PM
Finally, It's been so long. :judo: GOING AFTER WORK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Vagabond Returns.
Post by: Griffith on June 19, 2006, 07:48:40 PM
(http://www.skullknight.net/griffith/vag23small.jpg) (http://www.skullknight.net/griffith/vag23.jpg)

Volume 23 cover, courtesy of none other than Aazealh.
Title: Re: Vagabond Returns.
Post by: smoke on June 20, 2006, 01:25:34 AM
Say, I might buy this if I come across it, because if a bunch of Berserk fans like it, well it's gotta be good. But...

WHAT'S THIS CRAZY THING ABOUT? :SK:
Title: Re: Vagabond Returns.
Post by: Griffith on June 20, 2006, 03:14:56 AM
In a nutshell, it's about the life and times of Miyamoto Musashi and his greatest rival, Sasaki Kojiro.
Title: Re: Vagabond Returns.
Post by: Uriel on June 20, 2006, 11:03:50 AM
Wow... the VIZ site told me nothing but lies! :judo:

Me and Griff have been keeping up with the episodes (or is it chapters for Vagabond...? no one seems to know).  Plenty of cool stuff still to happen in this arc.   :carcus:
How have you been keeping up?.. I can only go so far as Volume 22.

And yeah, sorry about dissing VIZ in my first post. They are doing a great job with the series, so all is taken back :serpico:

(http://www.skullknight.net/griffith/vag23small.jpg) (http://www.skullknight.net/griffith/vag23.jpg)

Volume 23 cover, courtesy of none other than Aazealh.
Beautiful.
Title: Re: Vagabond Returns.
Post by: Aazealh on June 20, 2006, 11:44:22 AM
How have you been keeping up?.. I can only go so far as Volume 22.

They know a certain man. Hint: read the posts you're quoting again.
Title: Re: Vagabond Returns.
Post by: jackson_hurley on June 20, 2006, 03:45:37 PM
i only have vol1 so far cause i suck and have too many series to keep up to date  :judo:
Title: Re: Vagabond Returns.
Post by: Walter on June 20, 2006, 03:48:19 PM
i only have vol1 so far cause i suck and have too many series to keep up to date  :judo:
The story really takes off after volume 3, in my opinion.  Keep up with it and I'm sure you'll be addicted in no time.
Title: Re: Vagabond Returns.
Post by: Chiba on June 20, 2006, 04:44:24 PM
I'm also a big fan of Vagabond, I read volume 21 a few weeks ago. As with Berserk, I guess I'll have to re-read it one day, cause I notice with every new volume that I already forgot a lot of the previous story.
The art is gorgeous (not quite as good as Berserk, but still ;)) and I really like the way Inoue tells the story.
Title: Re: Vagabond Returns.
Post by: Wereallmad on June 20, 2006, 05:15:48 PM

The art is gorgeous (not quite as good as Berserk, but still ;)) and I really like the way Inoue tells the story.

I gotta disagree there. I think the art is pretty much unmatched in comics, asian or otherwise. The art is pretty much the only reason I buy Vagabond. I haven't followed the plot at all, since I barely know any Japanese and I had no idea it was even being translated in the states till today.
Title: Re: Vagabond Returns.
Post by: Aazealh on June 20, 2006, 05:25:47 PM
I gotta disagree there. I think the art is pretty much unmatched in comics, asian or otherwise.

Well in turn I'll have to disagree with you myself then. I like Inoue's art a lot, but I certainly don't think it's unmatched, and I don't find it as good as Berserk's either. Different styles, though, and I like to think of them as complementary.
Title: Re: Vagabond Returns.
Post by: Griffith on June 20, 2006, 07:51:24 PM
(http://www.skullknight.net/griffith/miurainoue.jpg)

Inoue is to Kojiro as Miura is to Musashi. =)
Title: Re: Vagabond Returns.
Post by: Wereallmad on June 20, 2006, 08:16:34 PM
Well in turn I'll have to disagree with you myself then. I like Inoue's art a lot, but I certainly don't think it's unmatched, and I don't find it as good as Berserk's either. Different styles, though, and I like to think of them as complementary.

You're entitled to your opinion, even when it's wrong  :troll:.
Title: Re: Vagabond Returns.
Post by: Aazealh on June 20, 2006, 08:34:50 PM
You're entitled to your opinion, even when it's wrong  :troll:.

Yeah, but since I'm right anyway it's not a problem. :badbone: BTW, I think you should really try to actually read the manga, it wouldn't be half as popular if it was just for the art. :casca:
Title: Re: Vagabond Returns.
Post by: Wereallmad on June 20, 2006, 08:36:37 PM
Like I said, I only just found out from this thread that it was being translated.
Title: Re: Vagabond Returns.
Post by: Aazealh on June 20, 2006, 08:40:19 PM
I know, that's why I said that. Especially since from what Wally and Griffith have been telling me Viz is doing a masterful job with it. It's up to you though.
Title: Re: Vagabond Returns.
Post by: Griffith on June 20, 2006, 08:50:02 PM
I love both Inoue and Miura, so this is a fun debate for me, and I think the Musashi/Kojiro analogy pretty perfectly sums it up. While Inoue's style and technique are unmatched, Miura has the ultimate no-style. =)
Title: Re: Vagabond Returns.
Post by: Walter on June 20, 2006, 09:06:29 PM
I love both Inoue and Miura, so this is a fun debate for me, and I think the Musashi/Kojiro analogy pretty perfectly sums it up. While Inoue's style and technique are unmatched, Miura has the ultimate no-style. =)
It's really hard for me to pick sides.  As artists, they're difficult to compare honestly. Especially since with Berserk, we can see Miura's huge range of artistic and stylistic progress across over 17 years. But with Inoue, who I've been following since Slam Dunk (early-mid 90s), while his art has drastically improved, his style has remained the same. Vagabond's just a lot more ... focused than his earlier work. 

However, Inoue's also made a lot of interesting progress just in the past 5 years with his panels.  He's done amazing things with perspective and some of the more subtle details of comic art that I think are more important to the narration of the story than superficial details.  That's not to say Miura hasn't either, I just think Inoue's made them more an essential part of his storytelling than Miura has.

I won't pick sides though, I'm glad they're both working at the same time. Keeps them on their toes.  :guts:
Title: Re: Vagabond Returns.
Post by: Griffith on June 20, 2006, 09:50:56 PM
Inoue is more polished, methodical, realistic, and almost systemized in his artwork (and writing). If anything, since the early Vagabond volumes, he's simplified and refined what he does to perfection (and he obviously works fast, it's like he just sketches some parts, and it's beautiful). Miura on the other hand, as I said, seemingly has no set style, he's constantly evolving and experimenting; you never know what to expect on any given page. It's not as efficient or consistant, it's busier and even messy, and it takes a lot of time, but there's also a lot more to it when all is said and done (like each page in Berserk is as detailed and unique as an individual piece). I see some of everything in his work from Inoue to Disney to Bill Watterson, yet he's truly an original everytime he goes to the page. I affectionately think of him as ultimate drawer.

Anyway, to me it boils down to a battle of style versus substance (they each obviously have both), and what breaks the tie for me is that if they had to switch places, I think Miura would be able to reasonably recreate Vagabond within his own range and style; I can't say the same about Inoue and Berserk.
Title: Re: Vagabond Returns.
Post by: Wereallmad on June 20, 2006, 11:39:48 PM
I know, that's why I said that. Especially since from what Wally and Griffith have been telling me Viz is doing a masterful job with it. It's up to you though.

I definately have an interest, but maaan. Not only would I be buying 1-19 over again, but at more than twice the price. I still haven't bought a single issue of the darkhorse version of Berserk either for that matter.

I probably will eventually, but luxry goods are low on my list of priorities atm.
Title: Re: Vagabond Returns.
Post by: Walter on June 20, 2006, 11:45:05 PM
...but at more than twice the price. I still haven't bought a single issue of the darkhorse version of Berserk either for that matter.

I probably will eventually, but luxry goods are low on my list of priorities atm.
I can understand that. For years, I was in the same shoes you were.  I own the japanese Vagabonds 1-7, and I was just buying it for the art, though I really didnt care for the series until I started reading the Viz editions (Griff turned me onto it about 2 years ago).  Seriously... the translation, obviously enough, makes all the difference, especially for such a dialogue based series.  Berserk is much more visually oriented, in my opinion, and thus easier to at least superficially follow without translation.

I'm still buying the DH Berserks myself (I only have the most recent 5).  But Viz sells volumes 5-21 for $9.95 each (1-4 are $12.95) which is a steal compared to DH's $14.95 for Berserk. (especially since the cover and print quality is much better for Vagabond...).

I hate to keep sounding like a commercial for Inoue but, Vagabond's one of the best investments I've made in a long time.  It's food for thought.
Title: Re: Vagabond Returns.
Post by: Uriel on June 21, 2006, 01:39:46 AM
Out of curiosity... who here has read Eiji Yoshikawa's Musashi?
Title: Re: Vagabond Returns.
Post by: SaiyajinNoOuji on June 21, 2006, 02:33:21 AM
Out of curiosity... who here has read Eiji Yoshikawa's Musashi?
I have the book but I still havent finished it! Its been close to 2 to 3 years!  :troll:
Title: Re: Vagabond Returns.
Post by: Walter on June 21, 2006, 02:46:19 AM
Out of curiosity... who here has read Eiji Yoshikawa's Musashi?
I've been meaning to read it for some time.  But Sunday night, I broke down and bought it on Amazon. It should ship tomorrow.  :guts:

However, I've read Kenji Tokitsu's excellent book Miyamoto Musashi: His Life and Writings which, in addition to a thoroughly researched biography, contains a new translation of Musashi's Book of Five Rings.  Here's the Amazon.com link to it (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0834805677/sr=8-1/qid=1150861553/ref=sr_1_1/002-5712864-0540841?%5Fencoding=UTF8).

From what I understand, Inoue's story is loosely based on the events in Yoshikawa's novel. But the character of Musashi himself is very, very different in these two stories.  Your best bet for getting in Inoue's frame of reference in my opinion, is by reading both Yoshikawa's novel and Tokitsu's book, which contains historical data about the "real" Musashi (and Kojiro) and his travels.
Title: Re: Vagabond Returns.
Post by: ZoddGuts on June 21, 2006, 03:12:59 AM
Gotta get volume 21 soon really love this series.

Now as both Miura VS Inoue I say there about equal when it comes to story telling. Though I gotta say that I like Inoue drawings of battles scenes better there more easily understable as to what going on in the battle scenes compared to Berserk's

BTW I'm thinking of actually getting a Xbox 360 later on because Inoue is doing the character designs for Lost Odyssey being made by Myst Walker created by Hironobu Sakaguchi creator of FF franchise. Nobuo Uematsu is doing the music for it too.  :chomp:

link: http://www.rpgfan.com/news/2005/1474.html

Trailers for the game: http://www.gametrailers.com/gamepage.php?fs=1&id=1694

Check out Inoue's other current manga Real it's also pretty damn good. Wheel chair basketball players?? Pure Geniues I say. 
Title: Re: Vagabond Returns.
Post by: Some Guy on June 21, 2006, 03:41:25 AM
I haven't read past Vol. 19, but I really did enjoy what I read.  I found it highly enjoyable.  I admit, that I didn't know anything about the legend Musashi or Kojiro prior to reading this.  It was definitely one that I couldn't put down.  I'll probably buy the rest soon, now that a couple more are being released. 
Title: Re: Vagabond Returns.
Post by: Walter on June 21, 2006, 03:55:43 AM
I gotta say that I like Inoue drawings of battles scenes better there more easily understable as to what going on in the battle scenes compared to Berserk's
It's really up to the reader's interpretation and preference.  Miura usually uses action lines a lot, which can confuse some people, but to me it's gorgeous (the Hill of Swords fight is an amazing use of them).  But Inoue leans towards "captured moment" panels for action.

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Check out Inoue's other current manga Real it's also pretty damn good. Wheel chair basketball players?? Pure Geniues I say. 
Ugh, Inoue's so hit or miss to me.  I loved Slam Dunk but hated Buzzer Beater and what I've read of REAL.  It always feels like he's trying too hard with his offbeat series... He should just stick to his guns.
Title: Re: Vagabond Returns.
Post by: Griffith on June 21, 2006, 04:49:29 AM
Out of curiosity... who here has read Eiji Yoshikawa's Musashi?

I read it a while back and it's very good. In it, Musashi is basically Japanese Jesus, while Kojiro is Satan, and it really is kind of like the Bible. EPIC is the word. =)

Vagabond is at it's worst (by comparison) when it follows too closely to the book, which was mostly just the earliest volumes. By 3 Inoue pretty much said screw it and started doing his own thing and that's when Vagabond really takes off on it's own merits. Very cool. It'll be interesting to see how they compare by the time it's finished.

Anyway, I recommend it as well as Musashi's book and the biography Wally mentioned above is the definitive historical Musashi book that I've read thus far (I'm almost sure Inoue has read it and based a lot of Vagabond on it), and I like it's translation of the Book of Five Rings, though I recommend getting as many different one's as you can find (like the annotated "Way to Victory") if you can't read the original.
Title: Re: Vagabond Returns.
Post by: 6th Angel on June 21, 2006, 05:21:33 AM
Inoue is more polished, methodical, realistic, and almost systemized in his artwork (and writing). If anything, since the early Vagabond volumes, he's simplified and refined what he does to perfection (and he obviously works fast, it's like he just sketches some parts, and it's beautiful). Miura on the other hand, as I said, seemingly has no set style, he's constantly evolving and experimenting; you never know what to expect on any given page. It's not as efficient or consistant, it's busier and even messy, and it takes a lot of time, but there's also a lot more to it when all is said and done (like each page in Berserk is as detailed and unique as an individual piece). I see some of everything in his work from Inoue to Disney to Bill Watterson, yet he's truly an original everytime he goes to the page. I affectionately think of him as ultimate drawer.
hahaha you sure know your Vagabonds ^_^;  I like the series a lot, more thab Berserk even sometimes, you know?  I think the one thing Miura has over Inoue may be his consistency and dedication.   Inoue took over 2 years off from Vagabond I think?  The most Miura take off is 2 months ^__^;; Maybe Inoue spent his time researching but I doubt...

You said a lot about the difference between Miura and Inoue that reminds me of Musashi and Kojiro, you know? Musashi himself learns through experience and hard times. Kojiro was born from a samurai family with natural abilities.  Everyone Musashi fights says his stance has no set style, and the way he fights adapts to his environment.  Much can be said of Miura in the same way ^_^;.  His style changes a lot.  And like Walter said, Inoue's style doesn't change much at all eveno ver a long time.

Id like to talk about art more as its a subject i like a lot and these are the two "rising dragoons" of our time, yeah? ^_^
Title: Re: Vagabond Returns.
Post by: ZoddGuts on June 21, 2006, 05:24:56 AM

Ugh, Inoue's so hit or miss to me.  I loved Slam Dunk but hated Buzzer Beater and what I've read of REAL.  It always feels like he's trying too hard with his offbeat series... He should just stick to his guns.

BLASPHEMY!!!!

Heh, I understand what your trying to say Real is like a soap opera but it's still good at least for me...  :puck: Still better then the other crap that is out there.

Seriously Inoue needs to do a sequel to Slam Dunk it sorta feels at the end he got tired of it and decided to stop. New "rival" players were showing up at the very end that showed of possibly of Sakuragi going up agaisn't. The romance part wasn't answered either.  Either way I want more SLAM DUNK!!!

Title: Re: Vagabond Returns.
Post by: Aazealh on June 21, 2006, 08:49:47 AM
Out of curiosity... who here has read Eiji Yoshikawa's Musashi?

Who hasn't? I read it years ago. Good book.

I gotta say that I like Inoue drawings of battles scenes better there more easily understable as to what going on in the battle scenes compared to Berserk's

Like Walter said, Miura's action scenes are more dynamic and detailed, and I like these a lot. He does a lot of "captured moments" scenes too, but I assume you refer to the fight on the Hill of Swords. I don't think it's really all that hard to get, it's just not meant to be looked at half a second before turning the page, you have to pay a little more attention to it. Keep in mind that the action is supposedly taking place at such a speed that Rickert can't even see what's going on, it makes sense to me that it's depicted in the way it is. Now if you take the fights in episode 260 or 261 for example I don't think you can say they're hard to understand. Miura's too versatile to be summed up reductively like that.

Inoue took over 2 years off from Vagabond I think?  The most Miura take off is 2 months ^__^;; Maybe Inoue spent his time researching but I doubt...

And Miura took had that big break because he had health problems due to overworking, and he still worked nevertheless.
Title: Re: Vagabond Returns.
Post by: Uriel on June 21, 2006, 11:41:00 AM
I've been meaning to read it for some time.  But Sunday night, I broke down and bought it on Amazon. It should ship tomorrow.  :guts:
Smashing! It's a great read... if not a long one.

However, I've read Kenji Tokitsu's excellent book Miyamoto Musashi: His Life and Writings which, in addition to a thoroughly researched biography, contains a new translation of Musashi's Book of Five Rings.  Here's the Amazon.com link to it (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0834805677/sr=8-1/qid=1150861553/ref=sr_1_1/002-5712864-0540841?%5Fencoding=UTF8).
I saw that some time ago and wasn't sure whether or not I should get it or not. Now that a few people have recommended it, I'll try and pick it up this weekend :guts

I read it a while back and it's very good. In it, Musashi is basically Japanese Jesus, while Kojiro is Satan, and it really is kind of like the Bible. EPIC is the word. =)
Epic is the perfect word :badbone:

I recommend it as well as Musashi's book and the biography Wally mentioned above is the definitive historical Musashi book that I've read thus far (I'm almost sure Inoue has read it and based a lot of Vagabond on it), and I like it's translation of the Book of Five Rings, though I recommend getting as many different one's as you can find (like the annotated "Way to Victory") if you can't read the original.
I do have Gramercy's version of Go Rin No Sho, but I have been meaning to pick up other versions for awhile now. I'll try Kenji Tokitsu's book first now, though :serpico:

As far as artistry goes between Miura and Inoue goes, each man has his own style and his own strengths. I can't compare them, personally, because each one is suited to the story is follows. Miura's art isn't as strong in the early volumes of Berserk as Inoue's was back at the start of Vagabond, but Miura's capability has grown to unbelievable proportions. Still, I think I'll just kickback and enjoy both of their work quietly -- without choosing a favourite.

Edit:
They know a certain man. Hint: read the posts you're quoting again.
Nevermind, I found a place with the new RAW's =P
Title: Re: Vagabond Returns.
Post by: Wereallmad on June 21, 2006, 01:43:03 PM
Out of curiosity... who here has read Eiji Yoshikawa's Musashi?

Me. Probably the best novel I've read. I tried to read Shogun afterwards and was just like "ugh".
Title: Re: Vagabond Returns.
Post by: CnC on June 21, 2006, 02:06:26 PM
I tried to read Shogun afterwards and was just like "ugh".

same here.  couldn't get into it.
I'll have to try musashi, tho.  never read it
Title: Re: Vagabond Returns.
Post by: Walter on June 23, 2006, 01:18:49 AM
Seriously Inoue needs to do a sequel to Slam Dunk it sorta feels at the end he got tired of it and decided to stop. New "rival" players were showing up at the very end that showed of possibly of Sakuragi going up agaisn't. The romance part wasn't answered either.  Either way I want more SLAM DUNK!!!
Did we read the same series...? Maybe you only saw the anime, where they don't even play against Sannoh, the national champions, which is the climax of the whole series.  It certainly didn't feel like Inoue got tired of it in the end... at all.  It's one of the most riveting things I've ever read, to be honest.  And if you mean the very end (the last episode), well, I think you may be a little crazy ;D

I've been wanting a Slam Dunk sequel for years.  While there's room for it, I don't think it's totally necessary. It ended properly.  But just to whet your appetite, Inoue's mentioned he'd like to do a sequel many times on his website (specifically, he said that it's a project he'd like to work on after Vagabond is completed. But this was years ago, 2001 I think), and he's even hinted at it in his art books with character designs of "older" Sakuragi/Rukawa etc.   

But for now, Vagabond has filled that niche, for me.  There are really a lot of parallels between the series: in story structure, action and more specifically, between Sakuragi:Musashi and Rukawa:Kojiro.  Think of it as Samurai Dunk XD.
Title: Re: Vagabond Returns.
Post by: ZoddGuts on June 23, 2006, 03:08:31 AM
Me want Slam Dunk sequel!!!!   :chomp:   :chomp:    :chomp:

Oh and BTW I read the manga I don't know it felt like there could have been more...  :judo:
Title: Re: Vagabond Returns.
Post by: FateINwaiting on June 25, 2006, 01:18:03 AM
I enjoyed the samurai trillogy i  just wish the fight with Musashi and Kojiro was longer.
Title: Re: Vagabond Returns.
Post by: Wereallmad on June 27, 2006, 11:49:54 PM
I just heard that there are going to be two different Vagabond artbooks. Confirm/deny.
Title: Re: Vagabond Returns.
Post by: Walter on June 28, 2006, 12:07:08 AM
I just heard that there are going to be two different Vagabond artbooks. Confirm/deny.
I've never heard of anything like this stateside.  Where'd you hear/read it?  There are Vagabond artbooks in Japan, of course, featuring several characters dressed up in modern clothing XD.  The newest one was released recently in Japan.

I'd certainly be interested if they came here.  Post more info if you find any.
Title: Re: Vagabond Returns.
Post by: Wereallmad on June 28, 2006, 12:29:53 AM
It wasn't specified whether it was the US or Japan, actually.

I should have checked first. Even if it is a Japan only thing, I don't give a damn, I'll be getting them, it's just i don't think I've seen them on amazon.co.jp before.

edit: actually, I seem to still be having trouble finding it.

edit: even inoue's website doesn't have mention of them.
Title: Re: Vagabond Returns.
Post by: Walter on June 28, 2006, 01:00:20 AM
This site (http://users.design.ucla.edu/~sgao/niten/) (the only real Vagabond site in English) has a few scans of what appears to be some content from an artbook in their Manga/Gallery section. Anyway, regarding the recently released artbook, I'd read about it here (http://forums.animeondvd.com/showflat.php?Cat=&Number=886949&page=0&view=expanded&sb=7&o=&fpart=12&vc=1) .  And yeah, I've scoured Amazon.co.jp but can't find a shred to back this claim up though. As you've mentioned, Inoue's site says nothing about them, and it  would be one of the first to mention any new products, as it's updated regularly with pretty much anything he's been up to...

And I was just questioning myself why I even cared whether or not it was translated.  I was ready to buy them  :judo:

Update: All I can find that's suspicious is  this (http://www.amazon.co.jp/exec/obidos/ASIN/4537251077/sr=8-40/qid=1151460805/ref=sr_1_40/249-4633655-5310734?%5Fencoding=UTF8&s=gateway) and many other shitty, independantly made "guides" to Vagabond on Amazon Japan. This one's called GENIUS VAGABOND. MANIAC MOOKS makes one for Berserk, and it's notorious for being shitty (according to Olivier). I'll keep looking but no luck so far.

Update 2: I just emailed Inoue and the Itplanning staff. His PR guy responded to me once before pretty quickly, when I'd asked if Inoue was returning to the series after volume 20 (yes, he was, of course).
Title: Re: Vagabond Returns.
Post by: Wereallmad on June 28, 2006, 01:22:10 AM
I saw that one, and a magazine or something that looks like it has some unreleased vagabond artwork, but neither seem like what you would call "artbooks", so I dunno.


Update 2: I just emailed Inoue and the Itplanning staff. His PR guy responded to me once before pretty quickly, when I'd asked if Inoue was returning to the series after volume 20 (yes, he was, of course).

Oh, neat. I'm interested in seeing how things turn out.
Title: Re: Vagabond Returns.
Post by: Uriel on July 02, 2006, 11:24:03 AM
Wally: Any word back from Inoue and his guys? :void:
Title: Re: Vagabond Returns.
Post by: Funkmasta Zeph on August 10, 2006, 05:03:09 PM
As a compliment to my Lone Wolf and Cub buying streak I've started buying/reading this too.

Wow.

It started off somewhat akward....but I really got swept up in it during the Inshun battles. Its nice to have a "Be the best" series for adults, and its so much more then that.

Inou's artwork is very ..... physical? The drawing style is very mobile looking (I don't know how to word this :judo:).

Maybe this is blasphemous, but I'm buying the Kojiro flashback volumes ahead of time while buying Musashi's story...
The Kojiro story so far is incredible.
Title: Re: Vagabond Returns.
Post by: yota821 on August 10, 2006, 05:07:13 PM
Dynamic, I believe, is the word you're looking for.  :guts:

Can't wait for vol. 23.  With that and Berserk vol. 31 coming out relatively close to each other (I hope  :judo: ), it's gonna be an awesome couple of months.
Title: Re: Vagabond Returns.
Post by: Walter on August 10, 2006, 06:10:54 PM
It started off somewhat akward....but I really got swept up in it during the Inshun battles.
Yeah, the Inshun section (~Volume 5-8) is where I really got into Vagabond.    I'm reading the novel now, and like Griff said before me, Inoue's certainly at his best when he's doing his own thing, independant, while still influenced by the novel.

Quote
Maybe this is blasphemous, but I'm buying the Kojiro flashback volumes ahead of time while buying Musashi's story...
The Kojiro story so far is incredible.
Well, there's not a lot of crossover between those two arcs beyond a certain, indirect point (vol 5 has an appearance of someone who is introduced formally in volume 15), so it's not BLASPHEMOUS.  But for my money, some of the best stuff in the series is between volumes 10-13, and is definitely worth reading. 

Volume 22 comes out August 15th here.  :beast:
Title: Re: Vagabond Returns.
Post by: yota821 on August 10, 2006, 07:19:19 PM
(vol 5 has an appearance of someone who is introduced formally in volume 15

Are you talking about: 

[hide]Kusanagi Tenki, who appears in vol. 6 of the Japanese release, and is later introduced in vol. 14.  I just checked so I'm pretty sure. [/hide]
Title: Re: Vagabond Returns.
Post by: Walter on August 11, 2006, 04:06:05 AM
Are you talking about:  ...
Yep, that's the one.  Thanks for the correction, I was just off by 1 on my off-the-cuff estimation  :carcus:

Ok, finally! News on the artbooks!  Well, it's actually a little late news, since this has been up for almost a month now on Inoue's site (http://www.itplanning.co.jp) :

Quote from: Takehiko Inoue
I was in meetings all day yesterday and I've been in metings since this morning.
They were about Real 35th which I'm drawing this week, the Vagabond Illustraction Collection and other works... all really important things, so my brain's really tried now.

Here's a little about the Illustration Collection.

I've talked about it a little before, but we've decided to publish 2 books -- "WATER" which will be in color and "Sumi" which will be monochrome.

We decided on these titles not too long ago.
The reason why I decided on "Water" for the color collection is that even though most of Vagabond's coloring is done with color ink, the ink that is used has to be ixed with water first, which ends up making it over 70% water.
"Sumi" is just as the name implies.
Although to be precies, it is mostly ink, not sumi...

Vagabond Vol. 24 is planned to hit the stores in October, and we're aiming to have "Water" and "Sumi" ready to line up beside it in the stores.

THe meeting this time was about the direction of the collection and how to approach the images that will be its contents.
To be honest, there were some things that I couldn't nail in the meetings up until now, but yesterday I was able to capture everything while I was talking and felt that we had something that I could make work.
No actual work on the book has been done yet.
That will be starting now.

There's a long road ahead, but if I can tackle it with enjoyment and excitement then the end will be near.

Look forward to October.
So... come October, Japan will get two Vagabond artbooks (Water: in color ; Sumi: in ink)
Title: Re: Vagabond Returns.
Post by: Uriel on August 11, 2006, 11:01:48 AM
Good stuff! :guts:
Title: Re: Vagabond Returns.
Post by: Malachai on August 11, 2006, 11:40:55 AM
I really like how vol 21 is structured and told.
Title: Re: Vagabond Returns.
Post by: Ger24 on August 23, 2006, 02:33:11 AM
Here's the website for the artbooks, it has a prewiew of both books.

http://shop.kodansha.jp/bc/yoyaku/comics/m25vagabond/
Title: Re: Vagabond Returns.
Post by: Walter on August 24, 2006, 03:43:19 PM
Anyone able to pick up volume 22 yet?  It's supposedly been out since August 15th, but no one across the 2 states I've traveled this week has it in stock, and even special orders have been delayed, it seems.

Am I the only one?  :judo:
Title: Re: Vagabond Returns.
Post by: Sanguinius on August 24, 2006, 03:47:17 PM
I have volume 22 ordered, but it seems to delayed because the supplier is restocking, maybe thats a widespread problem?
Title: Re: Vagabond Returns.
Post by: Proj2501 on August 24, 2006, 05:26:11 PM
Anyone able to pick up volume 22 yet?  It's supposedly been out since August 15th, but no one across the 2 states I've traveled this week has it in stock, and even special orders have been delayed, it seems.

Am I the only one?  :judo:

Same here, checked all my usual places. Nothing...
Title: Re: Vagabond Returns.
Post by: Ger24 on August 24, 2006, 08:11:53 PM
Anyone able to pick up volume 22 yet?  It's supposedly been out since August 15th, but no one across the 2 states I've traveled this week has it in stock, and even special orders have been delayed, it seems.

Am I the only one?  :judo:

I have the same problem out the three Borders around the two that usually get Vagabond don't have Volume 22. After buying Volumes 14-21, now I'll have to wait to read vol.22. :judo:
Title: Re: Vagabond Returns.
Post by: Uriel on August 24, 2006, 08:23:16 PM
I ordered some at my Borders. Nothing back from them yet, though. If they get a few, should I let anyone know? You could call that store and ask for a transfer.... desperate times cause for desperate measures.
Title: Re: Vagabond Returns.
Post by: Griffith on August 24, 2006, 08:32:19 PM
You're not alone, guys. I've called on several occasions since even before the 15th since 21 was out ahead of schedule, and yeah, nothing. As a matter of fact, the answer went from "in a couple of days" to "a few weeks."

BTW, last time I called and asked, the guy said, "Geez, everybody's calling about that title." I didn't bother to mention that everybody could have been me. =)
Title: Re: Vagabond Returns.
Post by: pippin22 on August 25, 2006, 12:44:17 AM
All of you guys are into this series? It must be good.  I'll have to check it out, but I can hardily find a sample page on the net...  or a forum.  I suppose I'll have to go ahead and buy the first volume, It better be good.  :serpico:
Title: Re: Vagabond Returns.
Post by: Funkmasta Zeph on August 25, 2006, 07:52:52 PM
Well....its akward at first. I was dissapointed myself.
But slow starts are usually worth it.
And here it sure is.
It grows on you, and before you know it your reading some really amazing stuff.
Title: Re: Vagabond Returns.
Post by: Uriel on August 26, 2006, 06:13:11 PM
Ugh, my Borders JUST called me to let me know it arrived. About bloody time. Hope all of you are so lucky (http://www.skullknight.net/yabbse/Themes/test/images/post/thumbup.gif)
Title: Re: Vagabond Returns.
Post by: TheSkyTraveller on August 26, 2006, 10:58:21 PM
I still had to get 21, and I was also able to get 22 today.  For anyone that's still looking, have you checked comic stores?  I got mine there, and have to assume it came in on Wednesday with the regular comic delivery.
Title: Re: Vagabond Returns.
Post by: Morgen on September 02, 2006, 08:26:08 PM
I'm happy that there is a subject here about vagabond ! Inoue is a great mangaka but the only problem is if you read the book first, you will be disapointed by the manga, inoue don't respect all the things there are in the book, sadly.
Title: Re: Vagabond Returns.
Post by: Aazealh on September 02, 2006, 09:03:29 PM
Inoue is a great mangaka but the only problem is if you read the book first, you will be disapointed by the manga, inoue don't respect all the things there are in the book, sadly.

The manga is inspired by and based on the book, but it's not meant to be a faithful adaptation. That would not only be unambitious but also uninteresting. No, Vagabond is its own thing, and it should be taken as such.
Title: Re: Vagabond Returns.
Post by: Kagami on September 11, 2006, 12:51:07 PM
NYC seems to get Vagabond pretty fast, I have had vol. 22 for a while now :)

Anyone else wonder when Kojiro will get the drying pole back? Or how? I think that the sword being polished by Koetsu is most likely the blade, but it was thrown into the sea last time we saw it :O

BTW any news on the cover for vol. 24?
Title: Re: Vagabond Returns.
Post by: yota821 on September 11, 2006, 04:57:50 PM
24?  Dont you mean vol. 23? Oh well. :P

Speaking of vol. 23, I just picked it up yesterday.  Looks real good and all, but no real matchups yet. :puck:

Title: Re: Vagabond Returns.
Post by: Scorpio on September 11, 2006, 05:37:45 PM
Well, the cover of 23 was posted on page 1 of this thread.  So I think him asking about #24 wasn't a mistake.
Title: Re: Vagabond Returns.
Post by: pippin22 on October 06, 2006, 02:55:16 PM
Wow, I am up to date on Vagabond now.  I only actually own two volumes, but the print quality is so great.  Everything is perfect.  Viz is so awesome, it really is a shame that they didn't get Berserk.
 :troll:

The art is nearly as good as Berserk!
Title: Re: Vagabond Returns.
Post by: Griffith on October 06, 2006, 07:43:38 PM
Wow, I am up to date on Vagabond now.  I only actually own two volumes, but the print quality is so great.  Everything is perfect.  Viz is so awesome, it really is a shame that they didn't get Berserk.

Yeah, the reverence with which Viz treats Vagabond makes Dead Horse's rape of Berserk all the more painful. Vagabond is a Viz signature editor's choice title; they're basically going out of their way to show how great it is. Meanwhile, Berserk is a part of Dark Horse's esteemed "Jap Fap Comix" lineup. Though, just saying it's from Dark Horse is embarassing enough.

And the appendix of information in the back of every issue of Vagabond, in addition to fully integrated sounds, must be costing Viz a FORTUNE! :isidro:

Just ask Chris Warner. :carcus:
Title: Re: Vagabond Returns.
Post by: Uriel on October 11, 2006, 11:35:24 AM
(http://www.itplanning.co.jp/images/works/vb/vagapic24.gif) For those buying the tankōbon's, Volume 24 will be out in Japan on 10.23! The volume cover looks to be a good one, but no larger resolutions, yet.

Inoue also updated us with a little more on 『 WATER | SUMI  』 (http://www.e-1day.jp/morning/anniversary/vagabond/). I really, really want these artbooks! Can anyone recommend a good place to get them, or should I just hit up places like Sasuga Books and Kinokuniya in the hope of finding it? Inoue wrote a lot (http://www.itplanning.co.jp/finouee.html) on the production for them in his latest English news post. 160 pages each and "an incredibly large number of illustration" was all he needed to say to sell me. I do get the feeling that the WATER collection will be the most popular.. but if I can afford it, I plan on buying both.

More good news: the newest chapter should be with us shortly. Inoue has the latest previews up on his website, and once again they prove be to EXTREMELY detailed.

(http://www.itplanning.co.jp/images/what/vaga/pic1j.gif)
(http://www.itplanning.co.jp/images/what/vaga/pic2j.gif)[/list]

P.S. Wally, was it you who revamped the entire Vagabond article on Wikipedia? If so, great job! It lacks pictures though =)
Title: Re: Vagabond Returns.
Post by: Walter on October 12, 2006, 01:14:04 AM
Well, I can tell what's going on in those preview pages more than normal. Osugi's in the first one, yay.

Good to hear more info on Sumi and Water. Not sure when or where I'll get them from, but I plan to buy both books.

I did revamp most of Wikipedia's Vagabond section a few months ago (in late July, I think...). But they were reverted a few times and I just gave up. The guy that's most active in the section is really set on writing pointlessly huge descriptions of each section of the manga. No one's going to read the stuff, and it's not even accurate in most cases...

I hate Wiki  :miura:
Title: Re: Vagabond Returns.
Post by: Seņor Caudillo on October 19, 2006, 02:36:19 AM
I received my copy of volume 23 few days ago at my local bookstore (wow, I guess those tiny independent stores can get their stock of new releases faster than Borders or B&N), and I've gotta say, it's pretty damn nice. Excellent translations, sound effects handling, the color pages being retained, and everything else.  Each new volume of Vagabond seems to be better than the last. Hell, the only problem I have with Viz Media's Vagabond release, is that they print the parental advisory label on the cover, instead of just using a removable sticker. Oh well.

Even now, I'm still surprised on how loudly Viz promotes their "Shonen Jump" titles like Naruto and Bleach (which're released edited, and have a below the par printing/paper quality), and at the same time stays mum about Vagabond.
Title: Re: Vagabond Returns.
Post by: Griffith on October 19, 2006, 05:35:06 AM
I received my copy of volume 23 few days ago at my local bookstore (wow, I guess those tiny independent stores can get their stock of new releases faster than Borders or B&N)

I don't know, I got mine on the 12th (looking for 22), and I don't know how long they had it before since I wasn't looking for it.

Vagabond seems to be better than the last. Hell, the only problem I have with Viz Media's Vagabond release, is that they print the parental advisory label on the cover, instead of just using a removable sticker. Oh well.

I thought 21 was a high in both presentation and content, and I don't pay any notice to the advisories (can't say I can think of a reason to like them though, unless I want to impress the chicks with my EXPLICIT CONTENT!).

Even now, I'm still surprised on how loudly Viz promotes their "Shonen Jump" titles like Naruto and Bleach (which're released edited, and have a below the par printing/paper quality), and at the same time stays mum about Vagabond.

Fine by me as long as they keep giving Vagabond the royal treatment (take notes Dead Horse). I'd rather it stay on the downlow, personally. Those other titles they could edit right off the shelves for all I care, then I wouldn't have to feel the shame picking up my Vagabond shoulder to shoulder with... those people. =)


Anyway, as for the spoiler that won't die and now lives on in Saiya's quote, it hadn't even occurred to me that that could be the child. I was imagining something more like the flashback of young Seijuro, he just wasn't old enough to show up on my radar. But, maybe even more for that reason, and for the Yoshioka's intended purpose of just parading him out there, it could work. If so, and Inoue goes with it (don't be too sure, he's already gone against Yoshikawa and history on most of these matters) that would be extremely cruel (fits perfectly with and changes the whole vibe of a few scenes already).

Basically, I like the idea. :guts:
Title: Re: Vagabond Returns (Spoilers).
Post by: prawnstyle on October 23, 2006, 02:46:29 PM
how does this series compare to blade of the immortal...call it a point of reference...
Title: Re: Vagabond Returns (Spoilers).
Post by: Uriel on October 23, 2006, 04:27:52 PM
how does this series compare to blade of the immortal...call it a point of reference...
   Viz does a better job with Vagabond than Dark Horse does with Blade of the Immortal, thats how :badbone:

   Seriously though, I've been reading Blade of the Immortal about as long as I've been reading Berserk and I really enjoy it. I'm aware that the localisation took liberties with it, what with switching it from the traditional right to left Japanese style. But manga in the United States wasn't as big back then, so it's forgivable. Another thing I dislike about Dark Horse is the abuse of the "F word". It seems every other sentence Manji spits out has a variable of "fuck " in there. Outside of the minor complaints, Blade of the Immortal is an entertaining manga, with excellent, rememberable characters. The plot ebbs and flows, but it remains good throughout. Samura's artist capabilities are something to stand back and appreciate. Kojima Gōseki, Miura, Inoue and Samura are just about the cream of the crop when it comes to swordplay manga, in my opinion. That's pretty noteworthy.

   Yet, Vagabond has me hooked. It's probably because of the localisation and the speed in which it is being released (it has already passed Mugen no Jūnin in Japan and the West). Inoue has created a different, yet enticing take on Eiji Yoshikawa's Musashi. The art is almost without equal, save for us Miura loyalists, and the story is exceptional. I have read the book quite a few times and I find Vagabond just as, if not more, enthralling. The characters are great, even those who aren't the main focus will ingrain themselves on your memory, even if their names don't. The well-timed humour is another factor, but most the time the story is pretty serious. If I were to sum Vagabond up in one word it would be... Epic.

Highly recommended from this swordplay fan, and I'm sure the rest of the contributors of this thread will agree ;)
Title: Re: Vagabond Returns (Spoilers).
Post by: prawnstyle on October 23, 2006, 04:42:20 PM
thanks man,  off to read me some vagabond then.   

peace
Title: Re: Vagabond Returns (Spoilers).
Post by: Uriel on December 13, 2006, 09:46:51 PM
    Hmmm... I might be the only person who gives a rats, but this was featured in Volume 24.....

(http://img72.imageshack.us/img72/5114/okh24208209eu9.th.jpg) (http://img72.imageshack.us/my.php?image=okh24208209eu9.jpg)[/list]

    I'd really like to see this, but I doubt a torrent or a trip to Japan will be happening anytime soon. For those are also curious, go to the headache inducing website that previews it: FLOWER. (http://flow-er.co.jp/) There was also something about "DEAD OR ALIVE" and a date for February 2007, but I have no friggin' clue what that was about. Anyway, new chapter should be out this week. Enjoy!
Title: Re: Vagabond Returns (Spoilers).
Post by: Uriel on January 03, 2007, 12:53:43 AM
   I found a couple of interesting articles, for those who are interested. This one (http://www.comipress.com/article/2006/11/26/1065) looks at the artbooks, while this one (http://comipress.com/article/2006/12/31/1258) has an interview with Inoue and mentions how he plans to end the manga.

Anyone check out those artbooks yet?

It was on my wishlist for Christmas, but alas, it was not among my gifts. The only places I can find it online are selling it for $40 a piece. At that kind of price, I could only afford one. It's at times like this I wished I still lived in NYC =P
Title: Re: Vagabond Returns (Spoilers).
Post by: Uriel on February 09, 2007, 02:58:17 PM

  (http://img68.imageshack.us/img68/6531/142150827301ss500sclzzzes7.jpg) (http://img244.imageshack.us/img244/6749/142150827301ss500sclzzzlv9.jpg)
  Just a reminder, chaps -- Volume 24 is out.. at least I think it is. The Viz site says Feb.20th, but Amazon (http://www.amazon.com/Vagabond-24-Graphic-Novels/dp/1421508273/ref=pd_bxgy_b_img_a/104-6600063-5123105) has it in stock. Either way, be sure to grab it! Even better news is that Viz is going to be shipping Volume 25 out on March.15th.. by this point, they will be completely caught up, won't they?

Speaking of March, I'm finding it hard to deal with this wait... if it's not Miura keeping us waiting, it's Inoue. Bastards.... those wonderful, wonderful bastards...
Title: Re: Vagabond Returns (Spoilers).
Post by: Walter on February 10, 2007, 03:38:23 AM
Oh wow, I thought it was coming out in March? Well color me surprised. I'll go to Borders tomorrow and pick up a copy. Awesome!

Update: Viz' website says Vol 24 is due February 20, and Vol 25 is due MAY 15, not March.
Title: Re: Vagabond Returns (Spoilers).
Post by: Uriel on February 10, 2007, 10:43:11 PM

Damn it! Still, at least the next chapter comes out...
Title: Re: Vagabond Returns (Spoilers).
Post by: Walter on February 11, 2007, 01:00:45 AM
Damn it! Still, at least the next chapter comes out...
In ... March, right?
Title: Re: Vagabond Returns (Spoilers).
Post by: Uriel on February 11, 2007, 07:24:40 PM
In ... March, right?

   Apparently, man. I gave Inoue's website a brief looksie about 5 minutes ago and there isn't anything there... but the place where I get scans said that March would be the next chapters date. I trust 'em. :badbone:
Title: Re: Vagabond Returns (Spoilers).
Post by: Walter on February 11, 2007, 07:37:28 PM
   Apparently, man. I gave Inoue's website a brief looksie about 5 minutes ago and there isn't anything there... but the place where I get scans said that March would be the next chapters date. I trust 'em. :badbone:
You don't have to have an inside scoop to know when the next one's coming out. It says 3/22 at the end of chapter 224.
Title: Re: Vagabond Returns (Spoilers).
Post by: Uriel on February 11, 2007, 08:44:42 PM

Well I would have seen that for myself, if I was at my own computer :P
Title: Re: Vagabond Returns (Spoilers).
Post by: prawnstyle on March 30, 2007, 02:02:18 PM
well,  I just read Musashi by Eiji Yoshikawa,  and as much as I like Vagabond,  the book is just incredible,  clearly the superior piece of work.

Still inoue version is great,  and diverges from the text which is great,  because there is an element of unpredictability there.  Amazingly though,  Osugi is even more a bitch in the book,  clearly his most bitter foe (without his acknowledgement though)

peace
Title: Re: Vagabond Returns (Spoilers).
Post by: Uriel on September 13, 2007, 11:22:37 PM
Excuse the double-post, chaps...

... but what the hell? Vagabond Volume 1 -- 2nd Edition? (http://www.amazon.com/Vagabond-2nd-Graphic-Novels/dp/1421519119/ref=pd_bbs_sr_5/103-3362329-6154238?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1189729237&sr=8-5) Can anyone confirm any differences?
Title: Re: Vagabond Returns (Spoilers).
Post by: Sparnage on September 14, 2007, 12:23:04 PM
Wow, Vagabond has earned it's own section on the Skullknight forums. Unexpected.
Title: Re: Vagabond Returns (Spoilers).
Post by: Uriel on September 14, 2007, 04:08:50 PM
Wow, Vagabond has earned it's own section on the Skullknight forums. Unexpected.

Unexpected... but beautiful.