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Title: New Readers (No Spoilers)
Post by: Griffith on February 06, 2008, 09:44:22 PM
A spoiler free Vagabond discussion thread for readers of any level to post their thoughts on the series, whether you've only read the first page or every volume of the series.
Title: New readers (no spoilers)
Post by: crazyfuck on February 12, 2008, 05:49:36 AM
i think i would've never actually read vagabond had i not become anxious waiting for this next berserk episode and scoured around this forum and read such high esteem about this manga, I thank you all for introducing me to such a wonderful story accompanied by the beautiful artwork incorporated into it.
Title: Re: New readers
Post by: Vampire_Hunter_Bob on September 02, 2008, 03:28:42 PM
HI. My name is Bob and I'm addicted to Vagabond.
Title: Re: New readers
Post by: Walter on September 02, 2008, 03:42:49 PM
Hahaha, another fiend. How far along are you? I think I really got hooked for good around volume 5-6. These days I re-read the series at least once a year and always take something new away from the experience.

PS: Sorry I didn't respond in the chat, Bobbo. I was on the phone.
Title: Re: New readers
Post by: Vampire_Hunter_Bob on September 02, 2008, 03:48:07 PM
Hahaha, another fiend. How far along are you? I think I really got hooked for good around volume 5-6. These days I re-read the series at least once a year and always take something new away from the experience.

I just read up to vol 3, currently Miyomoto is kicking the shit out of Yoshioka school right now. This is highly addicting!
Title: Re: New readers
Post by: Walter on September 02, 2008, 03:53:47 PM
Well, it definitely gets better from there on out. The series has a very awkward beginning, I think. But it ramps up once Inoue begins to deviate from the near-literal interpretation of the Musashi novel.
Title: Re: New readers
Post by: Vampire_Hunter_Bob on September 09, 2008, 03:08:01 PM
Augh I caught up. How could I have done this?  :ganishka:
Title: Re: New readers
Post by: Walter on September 09, 2008, 04:16:36 PM
Augh I caught up. How could I have done this?  :ganishka:
Well that was quick. What are your impressions on the past 7-8 volumes, now that you were able to experience them one after the other. I must admit, it's been weird following it episodically for so long. I welcome fresh perspective.
Title: Re: New readers
Post by: Vampire_Hunter_Bob on September 09, 2008, 09:43:33 PM
Well that was quick. What are your impressions on the past 7-8 volumes, now that you were able to experience them one after the other. I must admit, it's been weird following it episodically for so long. I welcome fresh perspective.

It's really good. I have to say Inoue really knows how to leave someone wanting more. I was also really suprised how he was able to go from a completely calm environment [like Musashi's recent visit to kyoto] to something completely chaotic like the battle against the 70 Yoshioka or Kojiro and Musashi fighting at the battlefield in Sekigahara . Something I think that made it even better was getting to read it unimpeded. With out having to stop every so often to wait for the story to continue I actually got to see it in full. Now all I want to do is buy all the english vols of Berserk and read that non-stop. That's going to be freaking awesome.
Title: Re: New readers
Post by: HITReza on September 17, 2008, 08:46:53 AM
I'm going to read Vagabond too. Cannot await to get started :)

i just started with blade of the immortal few weeks ago ... i'm at vol 16 ... a great manga, simply LOVE it  :)


Title: Re: New readers
Post by: Griffith on May 30, 2009, 07:36:07 AM
In response to this post:

One Manga I really like is Vinland Saga. Its a lot like the Golden Age of Berserk (Minus the Skull Knight and Zodd encounters so no mysterious element which was one of the best things about that arc). Its one of those Manga's that pretty much get better and better with ever episode and I really didn't like it much until about episode 35ish and so far there are only 44 episodes lol.

My sister hates anime/manga but she reads Superior which is kinda like fable (the video game) mixed with a little Berserk but with a bigger focus on love :/. I wouldn't recommend it if your a guy but it my sister is really into it so I recommend it on her behalf.

On Side note I couldn't find where to discuss this in the Vagabond section but when will we know if Vagabond is for us or not. Im 32 episodes in and it seems too much like that Rouruni Kenshin anime/manga which I don't like. I kinda liked the section where those two dudes were getting seduced by those two chicks lol that was kinda interesting but It went downhill from there for me.




On Side note I couldn't find where to discuss this in the Vagabond section

Feel welcome at the Inn my friend, you can post such questions in this thread, or make a new thread of your own. Feel free to comment or ask any questions you like and I or someone will be glad to answer them.

when will we know if Vagabond is for us or not. Im 32 episodes in and it seems too much like that Rouruni Kenshin anime/manga which I don't like.

It's a problem I've been thinking about, Vagabond is best in longform, and unlike Berserk I can't really think of a quick hook for it unless you're already interested in the subject matter. What I can tell you is that if you aren't quite into yet, it definitely keeps raising the bar as it goes along, I mean it doesn't just evolve, at a certain point it's like a revolution, in art, storytelling and message. To be honest, the Vagabond you're reading isn't on the level yet of what it will become, but, is a necessary part of that payoff, experiencing Musashi's physical and mental journey and transformation. In that sense, the story is almost a metaphor for itself; from a typical adolescent state, to something special and transcendent. You've only read about the first arc, which amounts to the exposition for everything that is to come on Musashi's journey and rematch with the Yoshioka; it's really just begun, and from there, the story, characters and philosophical aspects really start coming into better focus, which is the real the strength of the series, though the art and action only becomes stronger as it goes on as well. I can only tell you to stick with it, for it will be more rewarding than you can possibly foresee now.

Also, having a place to discuss and dissect these things can certainly makes it more stimulating, and that's what the Vagabond Inn (http://www.skullknight.net/vagabond) was created for, so please feel encouraged to share your thoughts there and get some feedback.

I kinda liked the section where those two dudes were getting seduced by those two chicks lol that was kinda interesting but It went downhill from there for me.

Ha, well, there are certainly more, uh, romantic encounters and misunderstandings as the story goes on, but as far that goes, they're mostly in contrast to Musashi and Otsu's relationship and feelings for each other; which, becomes a central theme, or major subplot, depending on your focus and interests.
Title: Re: New readers
Post by: Clawed The Bum on May 30, 2009, 08:06:51 AM
Thank you I'm really looking forward to reading it now :).
Title: Re: New readers
Post by: Rhombaad on May 30, 2009, 02:26:04 PM
I finished Vol. 4 last week and am waiting for my next paycheck to be direct deposited before I pick up Vol. 5. I'm really enjoying it so far and am relieved to hear that it only gets better from here.
Title: Re: New readers
Post by: TheBranded1 on May 30, 2009, 02:50:24 PM
I finished Vol. 4 last week and am waiting for my next paycheck to be direct deposited before I pick up Vol. 5. I'm really enjoying it so far and am relieved to hear that it only gets better from here.

I won't spoil anything for you, but yeah it keeps getting better. Just let it ferment like wine, then you will taste the true flavor of it.
Title: Re: New readers
Post by: Griffith on May 30, 2009, 08:48:51 PM
Thank you I'm really looking forward to reading it now :).

Glad to hear it, feel free to share your thoughts here as you go along. :griffnotevil:

I finished Vol. 4 last week and am waiting for my next paycheck to be direct deposited before I pick up Vol. 5. I'm really enjoying it so far and am relieved to hear that it only gets better from here.

Yeah, I've been reading it volume to volume from the beginning and it's quite rewarding despite, or maybe because of, the wait.

I won't spoil anything for you, but yeah it keeps getting better. Just let it ferment like wine, then you will taste the true flavor of it.

Hahah, and I thought I was coming on strong. :ganishka:
Title: Re: New readers
Post by: CowTip on May 30, 2009, 08:59:00 PM
I bought the first 3 '3-volume-in-one' packs, so I'm up to volume 9. I really like it so far, but I admit I'm afraid of it becoming sort of bleach like where the whole manga is just about setting up a fight, see a long back story of bad guy, fight ends, rinse and repeat. Not that I haven't enjoyed what I've read so far, but it's going to get boring fast for me if that's all it comes down to.

I think my favorite parts revolve around Matahachi. I'm really hoping that something good comes out of his side plots.
Title: Re: New readers
Post by: TheBranded1 on May 30, 2009, 09:08:17 PM
I bought the first 3 '3-volume-in-one' packs, so I'm up to volume 9. I really like it so far, but I admit I'm afraid of it becoming sort of bleach like where the whole manga is just about setting up a fight, see a long back story of bad guy, fight ends, rinse and repeat. Not that I haven't enjoyed what I've read so far, but it's going to get boring fast for me if that's all it comes down to.

I think my favorite parts revolve around Matahachi. I'm really hoping that something good comes out of his side plots.

This is isn't bleach, so don't worry. And there aren't really bad guys per se. It was an era where the sword was not only a weapon but kinda like your resume for the life of the warrior, which does not exist anymore. Some of this fights were true events, so don't expect a musashi pulling a "bankai" to defeat his next opponent, he started from scratch so you get to see his progress and other's characters as well.
Title: Re: New readers
Post by: CowTip on May 30, 2009, 09:23:01 PM
Well, I guess by Bleach I meant more that so much time is spent on random side characters that once a battle is finished we never even see them again, yet we get chapters and chapters of their whole life story for next to no reason... to the point where the main character is just a plot device to get to the next flash back... It just gets really boring to me after awhile.

And I suppose 'Bad guys' was a poor choice of words. I should have just used opponents  :beast:
Title: Re: New readers
Post by: Griffith on May 31, 2009, 04:25:30 AM
I bought the first 3 '3-volume-in-one' packs, so I'm up to volume 9. I really like it so far, but I admit I'm afraid of it becoming sort of bleach like where the whole manga is just about setting up a fight, see a long back story of bad guy, fight ends, rinse and repeat. Not that I haven't enjoyed what I've read so far, but it's going to get boring fast for me if that's all it comes down to.

Don't worry about that, while Musashi certainly continues to fight opponents, you're getting to the precipice of a turning point. BTW, how is reading it in those large volumes?

I think my favorite parts revolve around Matahachi. I'm really hoping that something good comes out of his side plots.

Well, that's good, there'll be plenty more of him and his misadventures as well. What draws you to those segments? I'm curious because although I appreciate them, it's definitely the opposite for me.

Some of this fights were true events, so don't expect a musashi pulling a "bankai" to defeat his next opponent, he started from scratch so you get to see his progress and other's characters as well.

My favorite part of that are some of the historical details Inoue has included about Musashi and even his father. Such as the later reference to Musashi's training with the Jutte.

Well, I guess by Bleach I meant more that so much time is spent on random side characters that once a battle is finished we never even see them again, yet we get chapters and chapters of their whole life story for next to no reason... to the point where the main character is just a plot device to get to the next flash back... It just gets really boring to me after awhile.

Hmmm, that's an interesting critique, and while Inoue certainly does focus on characters like that (one could even say there's an EXTREME example in volume 14 =), I'd argue that, in the case of Vagabond at least, it serves and elevates the story as well as the development of Musashi's character, rather than being at his expense or just a gimmick. In any case, I don't think you'll get bored, particularly as these relationships become more complicated and interconnected (somewhat on display with Matahatchi's situation).

Funny thing about the flashbacks though, it's an inside joke around here that Miura was "pulling an Inoue" with Ganishka's 303 flashback. :ganishka:
Title: Re: New readers
Post by: CowTip on May 31, 2009, 04:50:33 AM
Don't worry about that, while Musashi certainly continues to fight opponents, you're getting to the precipice of a turning point. BTW, how is reading it in those large volumes?

Well, the best part about the large volumes is that since it's so easy to blow through one volume, I actually feel like I'm reading through them a little more slowly. I know it's just a self-mental thing, but it's nice having so much all together. That said, they're heavy as heck and it can be tiring holding them up for long periods of time, and also since they're paperback and so thick, I'm afraid that the binding won't hold up much through repeated readings (in my first volume, I already notice the binding weakening at the ends), but I try to treat my stuff carefully.

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Well, that's good, there'll be plenty more of him and his misadventures as well. What draws you to those segments? I'm curious because although I appreciate them, it's definitely the opposite for me.

Well, it might be that I'm so early on and I don't know how things are going to go (I've done a fairly good job of avoiding spoilers so far), I feel like Matahachi is going to build up to perhaps something much more. Will he still be a sniviling coward? Maybe... but he just feels like an important character. I especially like that he's (as stated in the short Matahachi essay posted here) such a representation of how Musashi could have ended up without his courage and determination. I agree that he's so pathetic that it can drive you crazy, but the manga keeps mentioning how he has the potential to be great, he's just too lazy and cowardly to get there. I did hear that Musashi's real rival(?) shows up soon and I'm curious as to how that goes. Maybe Matahachi will just fall into the background, but personally I hope that they use his character for something important before that happens, otherwise, what's the point of us seeing his actions up until now?

And flashbacks or perspective changes are ok for me from time to time, just as long as the main character (Musashi) isn't relegated into predictable, boring nonsense, which you've assured me isn't the case so I feel better. I wasn't really expecting it to go that way, but you never know. I'll definately be picking up more issues as money allows, though if the series is as awesome as you guys say, I'm not looking forward to the long waits between episodes like with Berserk! (Also, sorry for the slight wall of text  :chomp:)
Title: Re: New readers
Post by: Griffith on May 31, 2009, 08:05:34 AM
Well, the best part about the large volumes is that since it's so easy to blow through one volume, I actually feel like I'm reading through them a little more slowly. I know it's just a self-mental thing, but it's nice having so much all together. That said, they're heavy as heck and it can be tiring holding them up for long periods of time, and also since they're paperback and so thick, I'm afraid that the binding won't hold up much through repeated readings (in my first volume, I already notice the binding weakening at the ends), but I try to treat my stuff carefully.

Interesting how it changes the flow when you read it. Sorry to hear about the extra wear and tear, and yeah, I've held them in stores, and I sure wouldn't want to hold them up reading in bed for too long.

Well, it might be that I'm so early on and I don't know how things are going to go (I've done a fairly good job of avoiding spoilers so far), I feel like Matahachi is going to build up to perhaps something much more. Will he still be a sniviling coward? Maybe... but he just feels like an important character. I especially like that he's (as stated in the short Matahachi essay posted here) such a representation of how Musashi could have ended up without his courage and determination. I agree that he's so pathetic that it can drive you crazy, but the manga keeps mentioning how he has the potential to be great, he's just too lazy and cowardly to get there. I did hear that Musashi's real rival(?) shows up soon and I'm curious as to how that goes. Maybe Matahachi will just fall into the background, but personally I hope that they use his character for something important before that happens, otherwise, what's the point of us seeing his actions up until now?

Yeah, there's plenty more ground to cover with Matahatchi, even if it feels like 1 step forward, 2 back with him. Anyway, I don't want to spoil anything for you, though I think you're in for some pleasant surprises, as well as some unexpected things that I'll be curious to get your reaction to. Looking forward to further discussions.

And flashbacks or perspective changes are ok for me from time to time, just as long as the main character (Musashi) isn't relegated into predictable, boring nonsense, which you've assured me isn't the case so I feel better. I wasn't really expecting it to go that way, but you never know.

Yeah, Musashi himself grows through the other characters, and as we also went over in the Matahatchi thread, in many ways Musashi himself has that same 1 step forward, 2 back kind of struggle with himself, though on a completely different scale. To me the real interest lies in Musashi's struggle with himself and the cycle of his epiphanies throughout, described well by Inei during the rematch with Inshun, about surviving the winter of his endeavors to come to a new spring. A nice metaphor that applies to all learning and life in general. What did you think of the focus on Musashi's training and growth during that portion?

I'll definately be picking up more issues as money allows, though if the series is as awesome as you guys say, I'm not looking forward to the long waits between episodes like with Berserk!

Hahaha, no worries there, Inoue keeps a crazy pace. He will take breaks between volumes for a couple of months, but when he's on, he literally puts out an episode a week until another volume is done. I think you can handle that schedule! :ganishka:

(Also, sorry for the slight wall of text  :chomp:)

Oh no, that's totally alright, if anything, we need MORE text in here! :guts: :daiba:
Title: Re: New readers (use spoiler tags)
Post by: CowTip on May 31, 2009, 10:54:59 PM
What did you think of the focus on Musashi's training and growth during that portion?

I think the most compelling part of the manga in general is how un-stereotypical and surprisingly realistic Musashi's persona is. It would be so easy to just make him the noble swordsman who, while starting out weak, just climbs his way to the top, but Musashi does some of the craziest, most unexpected things when compared to the normal actions of most protagonists. It's like in the first fight with Inshun where we fast forward to Musashi in bed wondering what happened, assuming that Inshun just knocked him out or something, just to find out that he panicked and ran for his life... At least to me, that was completely unexpected.

The overall feeling that Musashi thought he was completely bad ass and that he could follow the way of the sword even if it meant death so nobly, just to find out that he had no idea what he was really getting himself in to and to show it in such a human way (especially for a guy who spent most of his childhood alone in the mountains), it was just great. And again, their second fight builds up and again you start to think that Musashi has perhaps become a bit more noble, just to have him start smashing his wooden katana into the ground while proclaiming his victory like a little kid~ I'm definitely interested to see where this is going (I also loved how the first impression was that Musashi was smacking Inshun after he'd already knocked him down... my first response was:  :isidro:).


And I haven't even gotten in to my love for Takuan. I don't see how anyone could dislike this character. It's amazing how much insight he can put into even a simple fart.

Though I've come across some terrible news. The next Vizbig edition won't be out until July, and who knows how far after that they're staggering their releases. I want to read more, but at the same time, I like to keep things sort of consistent for my own collections. Oh the conflict  :sad:

Edit: Forgot that I should add some spoiler tags. Hopefully I didn't ruin anything for anyone~
Title: Re: New readers (use spoiler tags)
Post by: TheBranded1 on June 02, 2009, 01:41:51 AM


Yeah, hopefully none of the new readers didn't read it. I was going to ask you to put the spoiler tags, then I say no, maybe you will noticed and you did. Thank you.
Title: Re: New readers (use spoiler tags)
Post by: Griffith on June 02, 2009, 08:36:47 AM
I think the most compelling part of the manga in general is how un-stereotypical and surprisingly realistic Musashi's persona is. It would be so easy to just make him the noble swordsman who, while starting out weak, just climbs his way to the top, but Musashi does some of the craziest, most unexpected things when compared to the normal actions of most protagonists.

Agreed, not only is this Musashi the most "human" I've seen depicted, but also very modern. He's someone you can actually relate to.

It's like in the first fight with Inshun where we fast forward to Musashi in bed wondering what happened, assuming that Inshun just knocked him out or something, just to find out that he panicked and ran for his life... At least to me, that was completely unexpected.

Yeah, that one is still a shocker to me, even tough for me to accept considering Musashi's unbeaten reputation, though it is rationalized later. Again, it goes back to those real human qualities we can see him. I also like how Inoue depicted fear, that was very interesting and cool for such a little detail.

The overall feeling that Musashi thought he was completely bad ass and that he could follow the way of the sword even if it meant death so nobly, just to find out that he had no idea what he was really getting himself in to and to show it in such a human way (especially for a guy who spent most of his childhood alone in the mountains), it was just great. And again, their second fight builds up and again you start to think that Musashi has perhaps become a bit more noble, just to have him start smashing his wooden katana into the ground while proclaiming his victory like a little kid~

Exactly, everyone can relate to having a feeling of progress and enlightenment... only to cast it away moments later on a whim or stupid emotional reaction. I think everyone can relate to that, I remember a particular morning I was feeling quite enlightened and at a good place in my life, only to later that night end up in a drunkin' brawl with one of best friends and being asked to leave... that sure brought me down to earth; much more Matahatchi than Musashi that evening.

I'm definitely interested to see where this is going (I also loved how the first impression was that Musashi was smacking Inshun after he'd already knocked him down... my first response was:  :isidro:).

Oh, he actually was, Agon dresses him down for it!

And I haven't even gotten in to my love for Takuan. I don't see how anyone could dislike this character. It's amazing how much insight he can put into even a simple fart.

Haha, true, and actually, one of our ideas for the name of this place was takuanmonk.net, that was pretty much the spec name.. :badbone:

Though I've come across some terrible news. The next Vizbig edition won't be out until July, and who knows how far after that they're staggering their releases. I want to read more, but at the same time, I like to keep things sort of consistent for my own collections. Oh the conflict  :sad:

That sucks, though it's to be expected, and I'm not sure of the typical release schedule of those since I haven't been following the big editions. I know just what you mean about collection consistency, but I'd still consider switching to the volume size if I were you. Just because you can never be sure if they'll keep a steady pace or continue releasing them. Actually, one of the things I enjoy about my Vagabond volumes are all the little differences you can see in the evolution of its publication.

Edit: Forgot that I should add some spoiler tags. Hopefully I didn't ruin anything for anyone~

Yeah, that's definitely a good idea for this thread, I added a direction in the title as well.


P.S. Branded, I find your signature most offensive to my beloved Lakers (and unfortunately, not technically in violation of the size policy =)! You better be a true Magic fan and not a Laker hater. :daiba:
Title: Re: New readers (use spoiler tags)
Post by: TheBranded1 on June 02, 2009, 02:53:01 PM
Though I've come across some terrible news. The next Vizbig edition won't be out until July, and who knows how far after that they're staggering their releases. I want to read more, but at the same time, I like to keep things sort of consistent for my own collections. Oh the conflict :sad:


Yeah it sucks in that regard for you. Like Griffith, I like the volumes better and not as bulky as the big editions. I think those belong in the Costco book sections :ganishka:

P.S. Griff, I am not a Laker hater, I just been more fond of the magic since I watched more of them(due to cousin being a real magic fan). I guess I am not a true real magic fan, just going for the support to my cousin. But let the best team win. I know it's going to be a heck of a series.
Title: Re: New readers (use spoiler tags)
Post by: Griffith on June 03, 2009, 08:55:40 AM
But let the best team win.
Or as Musashi, and perhaps Kobe, might contemplate, "Is there a winner?" (http://www.skullknight.net/griffith/mushi2.gif)

(http://www.skullknight.net/griffith/kobeblood.jpg)

"Death... death... that's all... that's the only word I know."
Title: Re: New readers (use spoiler tags)
Post by: Rhombaad on June 05, 2009, 01:40:39 PM
Just placed my order through Amazon for volumes 5, 6 and 7. :guts:
Title: Re: New readers (use spoiler tags)
Post by: Griffith on June 05, 2009, 06:18:50 PM
That's awesome man, at this rate you'll be caught up in no time!
And how are the rest of our "new readers" doing their warrior journeys? (http://www.skullknight.net/griffith/mushi.gif)
Title: Re: New readers (use spoiler tags)
Post by: theblackswordman on June 05, 2009, 06:48:53 PM
I ordered every single released Vagabond volumes (viz versions) from  amazon 3 months ago, and read them all in 4 days as soon as I recieved them. Well, I was ill with a heavy throat infection, but that was a good thing since it gave me time to read Vagabond.
Simply amazing manga! My kid brother is 13 and he likes it even more than Berserrk!

Now I don't know if anybody has seen "Fighter in The Wind", but it kinda reminded me of the movie.

Can't wait to get volume 29!
Title: Re: New readers (use spoiler tags)
Post by: Griffith on June 05, 2009, 07:15:41 PM
I ordered every single released Vagabond volumes (viz versions) from  amazon 3 months ago, and read them all in 4 days as soon as I recieved them.

Whoa, a prodigy! :isidro: :guts:

Well, I was ill with a heavy throat infection, but that was a good thing since it gave me time to read Vagabond.

Haha, cures what ails ya, also a good inspiration during exercise I've found, "Let me see if I can get as exhausted as Musashi fighting 70 men!" =)

(I was thinking we should have a spoiler rating system, for example, that's a spoiler for anyone that hasn't read volume 25 yet, so maybe we should have a "25+" next to it indicating not to look unless you've read volume 25 or above?)

Simply amazing manga! My kid brother is 13 and he likes it even more than Berserrk!

It even runs in the family, and that's pretty impressive considering how much broad appeal Berserk has in addition to the character/story stuff.

Now I don't know if anybody has seen "Fighter in The Wind", but it kinda reminded me of the movie.

I haven't, but I'd like to see it if it reminds you of Vagabond. As with Berserk, I'm interested in all such film connections. By all means, make a thread about it for the Inn.

Can't wait to get volume 29!

I was just re-reading it last night before bed, I don't think you'll be disappointed. Hope to see your insights and reactions in the new release threads to once you're fully caught up!
Title: Re: New readers (use spoiler tags)
Post by: theblackswordman on June 05, 2009, 07:54:59 PM
Whoa, a prodigy! :isidro: :guts:

"Once you pop, you can't stop" Right? In fact, I'm re-reading it from volume six now along with Berserk. Btw Im also drawing Sasaki Kojiro, maybe I'll post it around here sometime.

Haha, cures what ails ya, also a good inspiration during exercise I've found, "Let me see if I can get as exhausted as Musashi fighting 70 men!" =)

Yeah, I felt exactly like when I watch Zoros fights in One piece, "To face one who is extraordinary, I can't allow myself to be ordinary". :guts:

I was thinking we should have a spoiler rating system, for example, that's a spoiler for anyone that hasn't read volume 25 yet, so maybe we should have a "25+" next to it indicating not to look unless you've read volume 25 or above?

Good idea, neat things are happening right now..

It even runs in the family, and that's pretty impressive considering how much broad appeal Berserk has in addition to the character/story stuff.

I hear you, man. But 13, is a bit young don't you think? Berserk was the first real hardcore anime he watched.

I haven't, but I'd like to see it if it reminds you of Vagabond. As with Berserk, I'm interested in all such film connections. By all means, make a thread about it for the Inn.

There are a good deal of movies, anime and even books that reminds me of both Berserk and Vagabond. But I can't come of anything else at the moment, but will open a thread as soon as I remember more.

I was just re-reading it last night before bed, I don't think you'll be disappointed. Hope to see your insights and reactions in the new release threads to once you're fully caught up!

I will hold my breath at least until the end of this month, and enjoy reading it more than 10 minutes. (I regret that I read all Berserk episodes)
Title: Re: New readers (use spoiler tags)
Post by: Rhombaad on June 05, 2009, 08:09:50 PM
I hear you, man. But 13, is a bit young don't you think? Berserk was the first real hardcore anime he watched.

Not for the anime, I don't think. The manga is written specifically for mature readers, though, so you may want to wait a few years before showing him any of it.

(I regret that I read all Berserk episodes)

Why's that? Is it because of the 2-3 weeks you normally have to wait for an episode to be released? If so, it gets easier with time. I've been reading Berserk like this for over 5 years now and I'm pretty used to it.
Title: Re: New readers (use spoiler tags)
Post by: theblackswordman on June 05, 2009, 08:41:28 PM
Not for the anime, I don't think. The manga is written specifically for mature readers, though, so you may want to wait a few years before showing him any of it.

He has already read 3 volumes after Golden Age. But I sensed that he understands that it's not the right time for him to read it. He also play Berserk games on DC and PS2, but that is ok with me. What is not ok, is that he recently purchased Battle Royale, which he also shouldn't read.

Why's that? Is it because of the 2-3 weeks you normally have to wait for an episode to be released? If so, it gets easier with time. I've been reading Berserk like this for over 5 years now and I'm pretty used to it.

No, not because of the waiting time, but having less Berserk material to read. So this time I won't read Berserk until new year (I also consider it a test). I did follow it episodically 2 years ago, but not anymore, I usually wait for 2 episodes. Except this time...
Title: Re: New readers (use spoiler tags)
Post by: Griffith on June 07, 2009, 07:42:16 PM
"Once you pop, you can't stop" Right? In fact, I'm re-reading it from volume six now along with Berserk.

Oooh, that sounds interesting. I've never sat down and sort of read them side by side, except for the new episodes. A direct side-by-side comparative would be interesting.

Btw Im also drawing Sasaki Kojiro, maybe I'll post it around here sometime.

Please do, that'd be great. Considering Musashi's affinity for the arts, both in Vagabond and in life, I'd love to get the creative juices flowing in here. Some sort of art section or thread ("Drawing with Water"? =) and maybe our own drawing board.

Good idea, neat things are happening right now.

I wonder if there's a way to officially pull that off, like have a specific warning appear over the gray bar and disappear when you scroll over, or even go with click to reveal system... Wally? Aaz?

I hear you, man. But 13, is a bit young don't you think? Berserk was the first real hardcore anime he watched.

I agree that's a bit young for either, but it's still impressive considering how cerebral Vagabond is.

There are a good deal of movies, anime and even books that reminds me of both Berserk and Vagabond. But I can't come of anything else at the moment, but will open a thread as soon as I remember more.

Do as you like, but feel free to make one just about that movie. I'd like to hear more about it and why it reminds you of Vagabond. Maybe it'll spur the discussion about other media that reminds us of Vagabond and Berserk.

I will hold my breath at least until the end of this month, and enjoy reading it more than 10 minutes. (I regret that I read all Berserk episodes)

To each his own, I actually really enjoy the wait and getting and analyzing the episodes individually piece by piece, though it seems I'm in the minority.

Not for the anime, I don't think. The manga is written specifically for mature readers, though, so you may want to wait a few years before showing him any of it.

That's a good point actually, the anime isn't as explicit as the manga; still, I'd say it's also intended for mature audiences. I remember the first time I watched it was without subtitles and by the end I was spellbound. The eclipse ceremony was shocking, surreal, and mesmerizing to watch like that. I too felt like I had been transported to that frighteningly alien world.

He has already read 3 volumes after Golden Age. But I sensed that he understands that it's not the right time for him to read it.

Again, his maturity is impressive. Most people of any age don't recognize such things at first glance.

No, not because of the waiting time, but having less Berserk material to read. So this time I won't read Berserk until new year (I also consider it a test). I did follow it episodically 2 years ago, but not anymore, I usually wait for 2 episodes. Except this time...

It's a bit different with Vagabond though because he'll do 9 issues in 9 weeks and then you know you're in for a couple of months off before getting a similar bounty, so it's very much like getting a new volume anyway when it's time. You don't get it all at once, but you get a steady diet, so it just keeps you from reading it all in one sitting.
Title: Re: New readers (use spoiler tags)
Post by: Henry Spencer on June 08, 2009, 09:52:09 AM
Just picked up the first three 3-in-one volumes like CowTip did and really am most glad I have. This series really is quite amazing. Thank you guys for introducing me to this series (since it was you guys that brought this manga to my attention by having this sub-section. This is the only manga I'll be reading alongside Berserk (and it's shaping up to be competing with it too, maybe even surpassing it, *gasp* I know, I know...blasphemy).

Musashi is one truly well realised character all ready and I look forward to seeing what he is up to next, since things are really unpredictable (and judging by what Griffith said in a previous post to another person on here, things change again).
Title: Re: New readers (use spoiler tags)
Post by: Griffith on June 08, 2009, 07:02:44 PM
Welcome to the Inn, Henry Spencer! I'm glad we could help bring Vagabond to your attention, that's the highest compliment you could pay us. Looking forward to hearing more from you as you progress through the series. It's the only one that can hold it's own next to Berserk for me as well, and no coincidence it's celebrated here next to Berserk, as it's no coincidence that Vagabond and Berserk were the winners at the same Tezuka Osamu Cultural Prize ceremony. They obviously complement each other nicely, something I wrote a little about in the welcome/mission statement for this place:

http://www.skullknight.net/forum/index.php?topic=9902.0
Title: Re: New readers (use spoiler tags)
Post by: TheBranded1 on June 09, 2009, 03:21:06 AM

Musashi is one truly well realised character all ready and I look forward to seeing what he is up to next,

You'll be quite entertained by Mushi's adventures and also like Berserk, you will take the liking of other characters as well. *Slash*
Title: Re: New readers (use spoiler tags)
Post by: Rhombaad on June 13, 2009, 10:42:39 PM
Volumes 5, 6 and 7 arrived this afternoon. I'm finishing up Berserk vol. 29 and I can't wait to read them. :serpico:
Title: Re: New readers (use spoiler tags)
Post by: TheBranded1 on June 14, 2009, 12:55:16 AM
Volumes 5, 6 and 7 arrived this afternoon. I'm finishing up Berserk vol. 29 and I can't wait to read them. :serpico:

Tell us what you think of those fights and Musashi's audacity to challenge the Yoshioka and Inshun.
Title: Re: New readers (use spoiler tags)
Post by: slan69 on June 16, 2009, 08:26:11 AM
Hi there can someone give me an insight on what this manga is all about so far reading the threads about it looks pretty good to me but i would like to hear others thoughts of recommendation please :guts:
Title: Re: New readers (use spoiler tags)
Post by: Walter on June 16, 2009, 11:34:54 AM
Hi there can someone give me an insight on what this manga is all about so far reading the threads about it looks pretty good to me but i would like to hear others thoughts of recommendation please :guts:
We have an informational section of the forum just for questions like that: http://www.skullknight.net/forum/index.php?topic=9972.0
Title: Re: New readers (use spoiler tags)
Post by: Rhombaad on June 16, 2009, 02:25:39 PM
Tell us what you think of those fights and Musashi's audacity to challenge the Yoshioka and Inshun.

I'm almost finished with vol. 7 and I think Musashi is developing very nicely so far. In the period of less than two volumes he's gone from being this savage beast to this cool and collected guy when he faces off against Inshun the 2nd time. Inshun himself is an interesting character, too. When Musashi headbutted him twice and his face was all covered in blood, he was still smiling that damn smile of his. I can't wait to see how this 2nd encounter turns out!
Title: Re: New readers (use spoiler tags)
Post by: Griffith on June 16, 2009, 08:25:34 PM
Hi there can someone give me an insight on what this manga is all about so far reading the threads about it looks pretty good to me but i would like to hear others thoughts of recommendation please :guts:

Welcome to the Inn slan, I do hope you'll make yourself at home. In addition to the technical information in the link Walter provided, here's a recommendation I wrote earlier. You can also find more thoughts and testimonials within this thread.

Vagabond is best in longform, and unlike Berserk I can't really think of a quick hook for it unless you're already interested in the subject matter. What I can tell you is that if you aren't quite into yet, it definitely keeps raising the bar as it goes along, I mean it doesn't just evolve, at a certain point it's like a revolution, in art, storytelling and message. To be honest, the Vagabond you're reading isn't on the level yet of what it will become, but, is a necessary part of that payoff, experiencing Musashi's physical and mental journey and transformation. In that sense, the story is almost a metaphor for itself; from a typical adolescent state, to something special and transcendent. You've only read about the first arc, which amounts to the exposition for everything that is to come on Musashi's journey and rematch with the Yoshioka; it's really just begun, and from there, the story, characters and philosophical aspects really start coming into better focus, which is the real the strength of the series, though the art and action only becomes stronger as it goes on as well. I can only tell you to stick with it, for it will be more rewarding than you can possibly foresee now.

Also, having a place to discuss and dissect these things can certainly makes it more stimulating, and that's what the Vagabond Inn (http://www.skullknight.net/vagabond) was created for, so please feel encouraged to share your thoughts there and get some feedback.

Also, the Vagabond Inn Welcome message and mission statement:

Welcome to the Vagabond Inn.

          The Inn was created to be a place, separate from the rest of skullknight.net and Berserk, dedicated to Inoue Takehiko's own manga masterpiece Vagabond. This is partly because some prominent members of this board are quite fond of Vagabond. The original cheeky tagline, "a place to cheat on your wife" comes from a joke between Walter and myself that if we're married to Berserk, then Vagabond is certainly our mistress. So, with that and the launch of this Vagabond-only board, naming it after the motel chain of the same name was irresistible. Though, our mutual fondness for Vagabond isn't why such special treatment has been afforded to it or why this place was created, but because Vagabond is a great work in its own right that deserves such a place. Basically, it's the only other work going on in the medium at Berserk's visual, literary, and overall artistic level. Berserk and Vagabond or Miura and Inoue go together like Guts and Griffith or Musashi and Kojiro, and it would truly be a shame if anybody with taste enough to enjoy Berserk missed out on the same experience with Vagabond. That is why this place was created; so, use it to its fullest potential, and read, discuss, and dissect Vagabond here as you would Berserk on the rest of skullknight.net.

Also, some added incentive for the ladies, Sasaki Kojiro is quite the female fan favorite and stud. :carcus:

I'm almost finished with vol. 7 and I think Musashi is developing very nicely so far. In the period of less than two volumes he's gone from being this savage beast to this cool and collected guy when he faces off against Inshun the 2nd time. Inshun himself is an interesting character, too. When Musashi headbutted him twice and his face was all covered in blood, he was still smiling that damn smile of his. I can't wait to see how this 2nd encounter turns out!

Volume 7: Yeah, that duel is really one of my early favorite moments, the first "spring time" of Musashi's development. I love that concept and metaphor as I think we've all experienced it when learning something new. The struggle before things start to click. The best part to me are the flashbacks of In'ei and Yagyu with their master Kami, and of course In'ei's words about how he screamed and rushed in, but really just wanted to throw down his spear and run away.
Title: Re: New readers (use spoiler tags)
Post by: Rhombaad on June 16, 2009, 08:55:01 PM
Volume 7: Yeah, that duel is really one of my early favorite moments, the first "spring time" of Musashi's development. I love that concept and metaphor as I think we've all experienced it when learning something new. The struggle before things start to click. The best part to me are the flashbacks of In'ei and Yagyu with their master Kami, and of course In'ei's words about how he screamed and rushed in, but really just wanted to throw down his spear and run away.

I was really surprised at how Musashi broke down out of fear and actually ran from Inshun when he was on the verge of being killed. Inoue really conveyed Musashi's fear of Inshun, and death itself, during that first encounter, and while preparing for the next, so well. To hear that the series only gets better as you go along has got me really excited.
Title: Re: New readers (use spoiler tags)
Post by: Griffith on June 16, 2009, 09:09:52 PM
I was really surprised at how Musashi broke down out of fear and actually ran from Inshun when he was on the verge of being killed. Inoue really conveyed Musashi's fear of Inshun, and death itself, during that first encounter, and while preparing for the next, so well. To hear that the series only gets better as you go along has got me really excited.

Yeah, that part originally left me a little uncomfortable actually, like... it was just wrong! But I've come to cherish it and the character development that followed. Volume 5:The depiction of fear itself was awesome, and reminded me of the Beast of Shadow, though having this one behind you in a fight certainly isn't going to help you. =)


P.S. Trying out my "spoiler system" where I list the volume you should have read up to so as not to be spoiled. Let me know if it's workin' or if anyone has some tweaks?
Title: Re: New readers (use spoiler tags)
Post by: Rhombaad on June 16, 2009, 09:38:16 PM
Yeah, that part originally left me a little uncomfortable actually, like... it was just wrong! But I've come to cherish it and the character development that followed. Volume 5:The depiction of fear itself was awesome, and reminded me of the Beast of Shadow, though having this one behind you in a fight certainly isn't going to help you. =)


P.S. Trying out my "spoiler system" where I list the volume you should have read up to so as not to be spoiled. Let me know if it's workin' or if anyone has some tweaks?

It made me pretty uncomfortable, too. Volume 5:It's tough seeing your protagonist resort to such dirty tactics as throwing dirt in your opponents face and refusing to admit that you were soundly beaten. That almost bothered me more than him running away. Fleeing the fight was shameful, but Musashi throwing dirt in Inshun's eyes in a tantrum because he refused to admit defeat was just awful. The spoiler system looks good to me!
Title: Re: New readers (use spoiler tags)
Post by: Griffith on June 16, 2009, 09:44:31 PM
It made me pretty uncomfortable, too. Volume 5:It's tough seeing your protagonist resort to such dirty tactics as throwing dirt in your opponents face and refusing to admit that you were soundly beaten. That almost bothered me more than him running away. Fleeing the fight was shameful, but Musashi throwing dirt in Inshun's eyes in a tantrum because he refused to admit defeat was just awful.

Volume 6:It almost worked though, haha! :ganishka: That's what was initially so shocking about that epic brawl, it kept looking like, and was my expectation, that Musashi would somehow miraculously pull it out, by dirty pool or otherwise, until Inshun just calmly and consistently countered every opportunity Musashi gave himself. It was like a clinic by the monk, totally breaking down and dominating Musashi, and then that cliffhanger ending... When I saw what actually happened, I was as shocked as Musashi. =)
Title: Re: New readers (use spoiler tags)
Post by: theblackswordman on June 18, 2009, 08:41:29 AM
Please do, that'd be great. Considering Musashi's affinity for the arts, both in Vagabond and in life, I'd love to get the creative juices flowing in here. Some sort of art section or thread ("Drawing with Water"? =) and maybe our own drawing board.

Will post it as soon as my scanner's fixed :serpico:
I'm also drawing Miyamoto by hand For some reason Sasaki Kojiro became my 1st favorite charcter, that's why I decided to draw him first. Please don't kill me.

Do as you like, but feel free to make one just about that movie. I'd like to hear more about it and why it reminds you of Vagabond. Maybe it'll spur the discussion about other media that reminds us of Vagabond and Berserk.

Done. It'd be great to discuss media that have a Vagabond touch in it, even if just a little. I also hope you guys have some advice on other movies I should see.

It's a bit different with Vagabond though because he'll do 9 issues in 9 weeks and then you know you're in for a couple of months off before getting a similar bounty, so it's very much like getting a new volume anyway when it's time. You don't get it all at once, but you get a steady diet, so it just keeps you from reading it all in one sitting.

I gues reading it episodically let's you understand the fact that the hero may or may not win/lose/die in the next battle or whatever, that's also the case with Berserk. But then again, I want to have a couple of chapters to read as I'm always craving for more everytime I finish reading one.
Title: Re: New readers (use spoiler tags)
Post by: slan69 on June 20, 2009, 08:23:44 AM
Welcome to the Inn slan, I do hope you'll make yourself at home. In addition to the technical information in the link Walter provided, here's a recommendation I wrote earlier. You can also find more thoughts and testimonials within this thread.

Also, the Vagabond Inn Welcome message and mission statement:

Also, some added incentive for the ladies, Sasaki Kojiro is quite the female fan favorite and stud. :carcus:

Volume 7: Yeah, that duel is really one of my early favorite moments, the first "spring time" of Musashi's development. I love that concept and metaphor as I think we've all experienced it when learning something new. The struggle before things start to click. The best part to me are the flashbacks of In'ei and Yagyu with their master Kami, and of course In'ei's words about how he screamed and rushed in, but really just wanted to throw down his spear and run away.


Thank you very much for this, i will soon start to read Vagabond its the weekend anyways so might as well read some when i finally have the chance  :guts:
Title: Re: New readers (use spoiler tags)
Post by: Griffith on June 22, 2009, 07:03:50 AM
Thanks, that's great, looking forward to hearing what you think!

BTW everyone, you can purchase Vagabond easily via these links or at your local bookstores:

Buy Vagabond at Borders.com (http://www.borders.com/online/store/SearchResults?view=2&rpp=25&all_search=vagabond&type=0&kids=false&nav=5185+10588&simple=true)
Buy Vagabond at Amazon.com (http://www.amazon.com/gp/series/89968/ref=s9_kser_t1_ser?pf_rd_m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&pf_rd_s=top-1&pf_rd_r=0KQFDVXMR9FZVBZQZGHY&pf_rd_t=301&pf_rd_p=447162401&pf_rd_i=vagabond)
Title: Re: New readers (use spoiler tags)
Post by: Rhombaad on June 22, 2009, 03:37:23 PM
Volume 8 is in the mail! Hopefully, it'll arrive sometime today or tomorrow.
Title: Re: New readers (use spoiler tags)
Post by: Griffith on June 23, 2009, 08:06:06 AM
That's awesome, you're moving fast, as usual, let us all know what you think! I'm thinking of making threads for all the separate arcs or maybe even the old volumes for discussion without worrying about spoiler tags. I'm also thinking of some more generally themed threads akin to one's in the Berserk sections like "Favorite Vagabond Moments" etc. If anyone has a post or thread idea like that ready to go though, feel free to beat me to the punch.
Title: Re: New readers (use spoiler tags)
Post by: Rhombaad on June 30, 2009, 02:48:10 AM
Just finished volume 9 and ordered vol. 10 right afterwards. I'll probably start a thread after I finish the next one, since I've heard ten is pretty epic. I loved the second fight with Inshun. Musashi barely dodging Inshun's spear (but getting a nasty wound in the process) and landing that first strike literally had me shouting in excitement! Then he started hitting Inshun when he was down and I found that sick feeling in my gut from when he ran away during the first bout resurfacing. Musashi still has a long way to go.

As for vol. 9, I loved how Musashi was able to tell the flower was cut by an extraordinary swordsman just from looking at it and comparing it to his own. Him telling Denshichiro off and saying his flower was "limp and lifeless" put a big grin on my face. Denshichiro is not a man who is preoccupied with flowers, apparently.
:guts:
Title: Re: New readers (use spoiler tags)
Post by: TheBranded1 on June 30, 2009, 03:34:56 AM
Pretty good Rhombaad. You're getting there. Yeah Musashi sure still has a long way to go. Indeed he can see the cut better in the flower now. Remember Takuan saying, " See everyting effortlessly". I"m not going to spoil much for Vol. 10, just that you'll witness someone's is musical in vagabond.
Title: Re: New readers (use spoiler tags)
Post by: Griffith on June 30, 2009, 07:43:39 PM
Yeah man, every time I check this thread, it seems like Rhombaad is two volumes ahead of where he said he was going to be! We've got an addict! :guts:

Just finished volume 9 and ordered vol. 10 right afterwards. I'll probably start a thread after I finish the next one, since I've heard ten is pretty epic.

Looking forward to that! Also, great scenes you mentioned too, I even added one to the favorite moments thread.
Title: Re: New readers (use spoiler tags)
Post by: Rhombaad on June 30, 2009, 07:47:29 PM
Yeah man, every time I check this thread, it seems like Rhombaad is two volumes ahead of where he said he was going to be! We've got an addict! :guts:

Hehe, I can't deny that I'm really enjoying the series. :guts:

Looking forward to that! Also, great scenes you mentioned too, I even added one to the favorite moments thread.

Hehe, I saw that. Musashi is too cool sometimes. I love how he does his best to irritate that one Yagyu disciple (I don't have the manga handy and I forget his name, I think it's Murata) by repeatedly messing up his name and insulting the clan. All the other disciples aren't even phased by Musashi's attempt to get them worked up. As for Jotaro, he's turning into a mini-Musashi, even Otsu picked up on it. I'm really hoping she and Musashi come face to face soon, it's killing me how they just keep missing each other.
Title: Re: New readers (use spoiler tags)
Post by: Griffith on June 30, 2009, 08:04:56 PM
I love how he does his best to irritate that one Yagyu disciple (I don't have the manga handy and I forget his name, I think it's Murata) by repeatedly messing up his name and insulting the clan.

Yeah, and kind of fitting you're not sure of his name now either, but you got it right haha.  :ganishka:

All the other disciples aren't even phased by Musashi's attempt to get them worked up.

Haha, Volume 9: my favorite is "None of us can be taken in so easily" and then he looks over at Murata trembling, "Oh no!"
Title: Re: New readers (use spoiler tags)
Post by: slan69 on July 01, 2009, 02:42:02 PM
Well I have finally read Vagabond and I read volumes 1-3 in about 2 hours because I found it to be just as amazing as everyone says it is, I will definitely buy the rest and read it  :beast:
Title: Re: New readers (use spoiler tags)
Post by: TheBranded1 on July 01, 2009, 03:50:21 PM
Well I have finally read Vagabond and I read volumes 1-3 in about 2 hours because I found it to be just as amazing as everyone says it is, I will definitely buy the rest and read it  :beast:

What are your thoughts about it, from reading these first 3 volumes?
Title: Re: New readers (use spoiler tags)
Post by: Griffith on July 01, 2009, 05:24:33 PM
That's great, slan! Glad you took a liking to it, and I hope you enjoy the rest even more.
Title: Re: New readers (use spoiler tags)
Post by: slan69 on July 01, 2009, 10:38:16 PM
What are your thoughts about it, from reading these first 3 volumes?

Well from reading the 1st three volumes I can say that I really don't like Matahachi, I thought what he did was selfish and wrong because he already had a fiance and he made things worse for Miyamoto. I really don't like the granny to because she's so damn mean to Miyamoto when he was only telling her the truth, so in return they send a huge search party to kill him  :sad:. I have to say so far my favorite part was when Miyamoto went to the Yoshioka school and challenged Yoshioka Seijuro to a duel and killed those 5 men, then Yoshioka's brother ended up having a duel with Miyamoto. Well I will definitely try and get up to speed with everyone here by reading the rest and keeping up to date with the new chapters that come out  :slan:
Title: Re: New readers (use spoiler tags)
Post by: Kalie Ma on July 02, 2009, 03:46:46 PM
Well from reading the 1st three volumes I can say that I really don't like Matahachi, I thought what he did was selfish and wrong because he already had a fiance and he made things worse for Miyamoto. I really don't like the granny to because she's so damn mean to Miyamoto when he was only telling her the truth, so in return they send a huge search party to kill him  :sad:. I have to say so far my favorite part was when Miyamoto went to the Yoshioka school and challenged Yoshioka Seijuro to a duel and killed those 5 men, then Yoshioka's brother ended up having a duel with Miyamoto. Well I will definitely try and get up to speed with everyone here by reading the rest and keeping up to date with the new chapters that come out  :slan:
Matahachi takes some growing on you, like a fine wine!  :ganishka: The series is the same though. I didnt like it much until later until about the seventh volume or so. Stick to it!

Slan take it from me a girl, the Kojiro stuff is worth sticking around for. SO HOT!!!  :casca:  :slan:
Title: Re: New readers (use spoiler tags)
Post by: slan69 on July 02, 2009, 09:51:36 PM
Matahachi takes some growing on you, like a fine wine!  :ganishka: The series is the same though. I didnt like it much until later until about the seventh volume or so. Stick to it!

Slan take it from me a girl, the Kojiro stuff is worth sticking around for. SO HOT!!!  :casca:  :slan:

Ahahah okay, although I think Miyamoto is quite the hotty  :carcus: By the way nice name Kalie Ma ahahhhaha (not in a bad way though :slan:)
Title: Re: New readers (use spoiler tags)
Post by: Griffith on July 02, 2009, 10:42:42 PM
Well from reading the 1st three volumes I can say that I really don't like Matahachi, I thought what he did was selfish and wrong because he already had a fiance and he made things worse for Miyamoto. I really don't like the granny to because she's so damn mean to Miyamoto when he was only telling her the truth, so in return they send a huge search party to kill him  :sad:.

Yeah, I don't think there's anything wrong with feeling that way about those two. They will grow on you though, in their own way. I'd say more like a fungus than a fine wine though. :ganishka:

I have to say so far my favorite part was when Miyamoto went to the Yoshioka school and challenged Yoshioka Seijuro to a duel and killed those 5 men, then Yoshioka's brother ended up having a duel with Miyamoto.

Certainly an early highlight, and that's basically what he's going to be doing for a while, except on a much higher level, both in terms of his challenges and the storytelling.

Well I will definitely try and get up to speed with everyone here by reading the rest and keeping up to date with the new chapters that come out  :slan:

Awesome, I hope you'll be extending your stay at the Inn! :griffnotevil:
Title: Re: New readers (use spoiler tags)
Post by: slan69 on July 03, 2009, 12:09:15 AM
Yeah, I don't think there's anything wrong with feeling that way about those two. They will grow on you though, in their own way. I'd say more like a fungus than a fine wine though. :ganishka:

Certainly an early highlight, and that's basically what he's going to be doing for a while, except on a much higher level, both in terms of his challenges and the storytelling.

Awesome, I hope you'll be extending your stay at the Inn! :griffnotevil:


I will definitely stay in this Inn, and I have read up to volume 8 now and I can say that granny and Matahachi(or should I say Sasaki Kojiro) are growing on me like a fungus  :ganishka: I really enjoyed the fight Miyamoto had with Inshun it was pretty intense if you ask me, and I actually really liked Inshun in the story. He's a pretty cool character and his story when he was a child was very sad   :judo:
Title: Re: New readers (use spoiler tags)
Post by: Griffith on July 03, 2009, 10:50:50 PM
I really enjoyed the fight Miyamoto had with Inshun it was pretty intense if you ask me, and I actually really liked Inshun in the story. He's a pretty cool character and his story when he was a child was very sad   :judo:

Yeah, some of those flashbacks are real tearjerkers, some are especially poignant later, particularly in the Kojiro arc.
Title: Re: New readers (use spoiler tags)
Post by: Walter on July 05, 2009, 11:27:28 PM
Whoa, Slan is slamming through Vagabond! Good to see you've crossed into the good stuff now. Hope you continue to enjoy it and post your thoughts, impressions.
Title: Re: New readers (use spoiler tags)
Post by: slan69 on July 06, 2009, 06:46:31 AM
Whoa, Slan is slamming through Vagabond! Good to see you've crossed into the good stuff now. Hope you continue to enjoy it and post your thoughts, impressions.

Hehehe thanks Walter, I am at volume 17 so far and will be reading 18 as soon as I get it hopefully in the mail tomorrow along with the rest of the volumes  :zodd: I really like the Kojiro arc he's quite the odd one in the story so far. He starts carrying that huge samurai sword at the age of the 3, jeez he's like super toddler or something  :serpico:
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Post by: Griffith on July 09, 2009, 07:11:19 PM
I really like the Kojiro arc he's quite the odd one in the story so far. He starts carrying that huge samurai sword at the age of the 3, jeez he's like super toddler or something  :serpico:

That reminds me of another favorite moment. (http://www.skullknight.net/forum/index.php?topic=10493.msg172351#msg172351)
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Post by: Drakull on August 07, 2009, 11:18:01 AM
hey there !

Every night I join my bed, I catch the vagabond volume# that I read.

I'm on #22
I really like how the story is done, many volume telling the Musashi story and after the story of Kojiro Sasaki, first volume I dislike it bu now Kojiro is my favorite character...
I don't know what will happen but Korijo and Musahi in the same city...at the same time...with the snow falling.....I guess they will make a ENORMOUS Fight !

Maybe I'm wrong ...
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Post by: Griffith on August 07, 2009, 07:27:40 PM
I think I've said it before, but that section, from about volume 21-25, is some of my favorite material in the entire story.
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Post by: slan69 on August 07, 2009, 07:36:32 PM
I think I've said it before, but that section, from about volume 21-25, is some of my favorite material in the entire story.

Mine to. I also enjoyed the story with Inshun as well.
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Post by: Griffith on August 07, 2009, 07:49:01 PM
I need to re-read that section too, I know how great it is, sort of the first long form section that really makes you think, but it's been so long I've almost forgotten the details why. So, it'll be nice to refresh.
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Post by: slan69 on August 07, 2009, 08:40:41 PM
I need to re-read that section too, I know how great it is, sort of the first long form section that really makes you think, but it's been so long I've almost forgotten the details why. So, it'll be nice to refresh.

Yeah I should also get back to re-reading Vagabond. I have forgotten some of the story in volumes 1-15.
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Post by: TheBranded1 on August 07, 2009, 09:04:37 PM
Yeah I should also get back to re-reading Vagabond. I have forgotten some of the story in volumes 1-15.

You know I re-read both berserk and vagabond to keep looking for designs for keychains. I mostly do it after work at home. I take my time, no need to hurry it up.
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Post by: slan69 on August 07, 2009, 09:44:28 PM
You know I re-read both berserk and vagabond to keep looking for designs for keychains. I mostly do it after work at home. I take my time, no need to hurry it up.

I am actually re-reading both but I am taking my time. It's best not to rush through it because then you just wont understand the story properly. ( Well for me.)
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Post by: Griffith on August 10, 2009, 06:58:40 PM
Yeah I should also get back to re-reading Vagabond. I have forgotten some of the story in volumes 1-15.

Yeah, I get so focused on what's currently happening, that I can go back and come to appreciate how it all came together again like new. I swear, sometimes I'll backtrack so far it's like I'm practically reading the whole series backwards and somehow that progression is just as impressive.

You know I re-read both berserk and vagabond to keep looking for designs for keychains. I mostly do it after work at home. I take my time, no need to hurry it up.

That's cool, looking forward to seeing the next design.

I am actually re-reading both but I am taking my time. It's best not to rush through it because then you just wont understand the story properly. ( Well for me.)

For everybody, there's simply too many details to catch it all at once, especially when it comes to seeing the bigger picture. You pretty much have to go back and tie it all together again every once in a while; input all that new information and see where it connects with the past.
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Post by: Rhombaad on August 11, 2009, 11:48:51 PM
Volumes 12 & 13 showed up today. Once I'm done reading 'em I'll let people know my thoughts on 10-13. :mushigrin:
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Post by: Griffith on August 12, 2009, 12:02:21 AM
Alright, looking forward to it. In the meantime, happy reading, man.:mushigrin:
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Post by: slan69 on August 12, 2009, 03:23:12 AM
Er what the hell is volumes 10-13 about again. ( I know I suck at remembering Vagabond.) :mushisadfrown:
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Post by: Walter on August 12, 2009, 03:34:48 AM
Er what the hell is volumes 10-13 about again. ( I know I suck at remembering Vagabond.) :mushisadfrown:
You could always crack open those old things and peek instead of asking here. It's two arcs: Yagyu and Baiken.
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Post by: slan69 on August 12, 2009, 03:38:03 AM
You could always crack open those old things and peek instead of asking here. It's two arcs: Yagyu and Baiken.

Oh yeah. Thanks and yeah for some reason it didn't cross my mind to think about looking at them when there right beside me.  :ganishka:
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Post by: CowTip on August 12, 2009, 09:19:38 AM
Bought the 4th Vizbig book last week. It makes Vagabond slow going for me, but in the end I decided I liked the consistency of buying volumes this way. Volumes 10-12 this time around.

The story is good. I appreciate the direction the characters are taking, but these volumes really flew past. I had to forcibly pace myself as I nearly read the whole thing in about an hour. I'll admit that's sort of depressing to have to wait so long just to have it over so quickly due to 80% of these volumes being dedicated to action, but I can't really complain. Things are at least moving along smoothly.

I think it's odd the direction the story has taken with the idea of invincibility. Musashi is basically a loose cannon, yet he's unable to touch Yagyu due to something they haven't quite explained. It seems more than an aura that he emits. It's like respect, aggression and fear all rolled up into one. I realize this is to show Musashi that there's more to the way of the sword than just strength (Such as what it seems his father made him to believe) but the story has been pretty vague on the details behind these emotions. I'm assuming we'll learn more as the story continues

As for our good friend Matahachi... While it seems to easy to blame him for his uncle's death, Matahachi never actually asked for him to intervene nor did he actually want to be chased after in the first place. It was fitting to have Matahachi bury him though. So sniveling when it comes to Musashi though. Now if only Granny had bit the dust >.> Though I suppose she's not out of the woods yet. It's nice to see more of Otsu. I'm looking forward to her further development, though I'm a little tired of Jotaro. Bratty kid!

So yeah, a long wait for me to see what happens with what ended as a terrible cliffhanger, but I'll be picking up volume 5 as soon as it hits stores.
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Post by: Griffith on August 12, 2009, 08:53:20 PM
Bought the 4th Vizbig book last week. It makes Vagabond slow going for me, but in the end I decided I liked the consistency of buying volumes this way. Volumes 10-12 this time around.

Yeah, it's tough, but at least their pumping up production speed, or at least the amount of info on future releases. And yeah, that's a really awkward place to stop, but I think the next few will be broken up nicely.

The story is good. I appreciate the direction the characters are taking, but these volumes really flew past. I had to forcibly pace myself as I nearly read the whole thing in about an hour. I'll admit that's sort of depressing to have to wait so long just to have it over so quickly due to 80% of these volumes being dedicated to action, but I can't really complain. Things are at least moving along smoothly.

Well, I was doing that volume by single volume, so I don't sympathize. =)

Though I think there might actually be an advantage to reading it that way because you to get to spend more time with and really get to know each individual volume inside and out. I'm sure you can do the same with the BIGs, but it'd still give everything... a little different identity.

I think it's odd the direction the story has taken with the idea of invincibility. Musashi is basically a loose cannon, yet he's unable to touch Yagyu due to something they haven't quite explained. It seems more than an aura that he emits. It's like respect, aggression and fear all rolled up into one. I realize this is to show Musashi that there's more to the way of the sword than just strength (Such as what it seems his father made him to believe) but the story has been pretty vague on the details behind these emotions. I'm assuming we'll learn more as the story continues

You do and you don't learn more, because it's one of those things where the more you know, the more questions you have, and part of that is certainly a mystique that Inoue is creating. It certainly continues to get dealt with though, and in different and compelling ways. The scene with Yagyu is still the most "out there" as far as that is concerned, there's more high concept stuff to come, but also more practical thought on it, and even some amusing things.

As for our good friend Matahachi... While it seems to easy to blame him for his uncle's death, Matahachi never actually asked for him to intervene nor did he actually want to be chased after in the first place. It was fitting to have Matahachi bury him though. So sniveling when it comes to Musashi though. Now if only Granny had bit the dust >.> Though I suppose she's not out of the woods yet. It's nice to see more of Otsu. I'm looking forward to her further development, though I'm a little tired of Jotaro. Bratty kid!

Volume 12:Don't worry, Jota will still have his moments, but his role is decidedly further in the background. Good points about Matahatchi too, I do sort of blame him for everything and never looked at it that objectively... this is why I like having other people to talk to about this! :mushigrin:

I think it's just that in Uncle Gon's case, it's so tragic because of all of them he deserved that the least. Meanwhile, as you alluded to, Granny would be, and in this case was, the death of them all!


So yeah, a long wait for me to see what happens with what ended as a terrible cliffhanger, but I'll be picking up volume 5 as soon as it hits stores.

I remember waiting for volume 13, and the day I finally got it very clearly. It was a looooong time. :mushilaugh:
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Post by: CowTip on August 12, 2009, 09:08:01 PM
I also thought I'd mention that I love how Musashi still does some of the most outrageous things even this far in. You think you've got him figured out and then he tosses Jotoro at the Yagyu clan. Inoue also does a really good job of keeping the story serious but in a light manner for instance again the scene with Yagyu scratching his crotch with that back scratcher, a completely ridiculous thing to witness a seemingly invincible man to do (For both the reader and Musashi), yet we all realize that the situation is much more serious than it seems. Or another good scene is when Matahachi is grinding the air while dreaming of whatshername he left behind. It's funny, but the poor guy really is pathetic.

Also: I really liked the scene where Musashi is climbing up the side of the mountain, and despite all his struggle, there's another mountain right behind him that's even taller and it doesn't really phase Musashi. To me it shows that he's really starting to take things much more in stride than he used to. Probably the first step towards gaining Yagyu's level of invincibility.
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Post by: TheBranded1 on August 12, 2009, 09:29:39 PM
I also thought I'd mention that I love how Musashi still does some of the most outrageous things even this far in. You think you've got him figured out and then he tosses Jotaro at the Yagyu clan.

Well, Musashi is still at that moment only thinking of defeating strong and famous fighters. After meeting Yagyu is when we start to see Musashi think and process all he has done at this moment.

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Inoue also does a really good job of keeping the story serious but in a light manner for instance again the scene with Yagyu scratching his crotch with that back scratcher, a completely ridiculous thing to witness a seemingly invincible man to do (For both the reader and Musashi), yet we all realize that the situation is much more serious than it seems. Or another good scene is when Matahachi is grinding the air while dreaming of whatshername he left behind. It's funny, but the poor guy really is pathetic.

For me when I first read those pages, was like Yagyu seemed toying with Musashi. Then a few pages later Yagyu thought it was his grandson Hyougonosuke. So he was doing something he seemed comfortable doing while in company of him. At the  same time he still wasn't unguarded, doing what he did with the scratcher to Musashi.
Otsu is the name of the girl Matahachi left behind in Miyamoto Village. Yeah Matahachi sure is having a tough time in those volumes. You'll see more of him later on.

Also: I really liked the scene where Musashi is climbing up the side of the mountain, and despite all his struggle, there's another mountain right behind him that's even taller and it doesn't really phase Musashi. To me it shows that he's really starting to take things much more in stride than he used to. Probably the first step towards gaining Yagyu's level of invincibility.

Yeah, it's neat isn't it! He climbs this mountain which was pretty tough by the way with that nail injury to his foot. He achieves his goal, only to be reminded that there is still more to do.
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Post by: CowTip on August 12, 2009, 10:18:48 PM
Oh God... the nail injury. I think I forcibly removed that event out of my mind because it was so nasty to me. I love how Musashi can chop up a hundred people, yet it's the nail through the foot that really grosses me out.
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Post by: Griffith on August 12, 2009, 10:41:48 PM
I also thought I'd mention that I love how Musashi still does some of the most outrageous things even this far in. You think you've got him figured out and then he tosses Jotoro at the Yagyu clan. Inoue also does a really good job of keeping the story serious but in a light manner for instance again the scene with Yagyu scratching his crotch with that back scratcher, a completely ridiculous thing to witness a seemingly invincible man to do (For both the reader and Musashi), yet we all realize that the situation is much more serious than it seems. Or another good scene is when Matahachi is grinding the air while dreaming of whatshername he left behind. It's funny, but the poor guy really is pathetic.

Yeah, I'm happy to say Inoue manages to keep those nice little human quirks in everyone's personalities, no matter how serious they may be otherwise, right up to the most recent episode. I think it's volume 4 where Takuan is discussing all the different sides of human nature, and specifically Musashi.

Also: I really liked the scene where Musashi is climbing up the side of the mountain, and despite all his struggle, there's another mountain right behind him that's even taller and it doesn't really phase Musashi. To me it shows that he's really starting to take things much more in stride than he used to. Probably the first step towards gaining Yagyu's level of invincibility.

Yeah, after his enlightenment with Yagyu he seems to finally understand the scope of his undertaking and his place in it. Like what In'ei told him, he can't know what strong is until he himself is truly strong.

Otsu is the name of the girl Matahachi left behind in Miyamoto Village. Yeah Matahachi sure is having a tough time in those volumes. You'll see more of him later on.

Actually, CowTip was referring to another one of Matahatchi's ladies; Kiku, the one he sleeps with under her husband's roof. :den:

Yeah, it's neat isn't it! He climbs this mountain which was pretty tough by the way with that nail injury to his foot. He achieves his goal, only to be reminded that there is still more to do.
Yeah, still one of my favorite little moments. :mushigrin:

Oh God... the nail injury. I think I forcibly removed that event out of my mind because it was so nasty to me. I love how Musashi can chop up a hundred people, yet it's the nail through the foot that really grosses me out.
I think that's because it's something we can all relate to. :mushiugh:
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Post by: Rhombaad on August 17, 2009, 04:47:22 PM
I finished Vol. 13 over the weekend. :mushigrin:

Volume 10: Musashi's battle with the four chief disciples of the Yagyu school was pretty epic. It's amazing how far he's come in such a short time. Plus it also shows just how skilled Inshun was in comparison to the four disciples, since Musashi is fighting all four at the same time (and winning). I was really stoked when he drew his wakizashi in addition to his katana, but a little bummed when he got rid of the short sword so quickly. Little did I know his fighting with both swords was just around the corner...

Volume 11: Musashi's encounter with Sekishusai was a little surprising to me. For starters, despite what Musashi has done in the past, killing a sleeping old man just didn't seem like something he'd do. This volume had some of the coolest art in the series so far. I really enjoyed the depictions of Sekishusai blocking Musashi's sword with his back/crotch scratcher. The way it seemed to wrap around the sword itself was very cool, even though it was all in Musashi's head. I was disappointed that he left Jotaro and Otsu behind, but I'm sure they'll meet again someday.

Volume 12: Well Matahatchi's deception finally cost him something dear. Uncle Gon was a lot more badass than he seemed at first, and I really enjoyed Matahatchi's flashback to right before he left with Takezo. It was pretty heartwarming, which made his loss all the more difficult. Shishido Baiken/Tsujikaze Kohei's confrontation with the man who called Matahatchi out was a great way to show Baiken's devastating ability with the kusarigama, which made his upcoming fight with Musashi all the greater to look forward to. I'm really glad I purchased both Vol. 12 and 13 at the same time, otherwise that cliffhanger would've been a real killer.

Volume 13: This volume was awesome. The fight between Musashi and Baiken culminating with Musashi finally drawing both swords and wounding Baiken was incredible. Inoue's art is pretty insane, especially the way he draws textures and the incredible amount of detail he puts into the surrounding environments of his characters. His portrayal of realistic violence and the sheer brutality of life and death combat is on another level, too. I literally felt sick to my stomach when Kohei's wound (given to him by the actual Sasaki Kojirou) opened up after killing the original Shishido Baiken. It was just so graphically real. It was nice to see a bit about Kohei's past at the end of the volume. No wonder he hated his brother so much and was so infuriated at Musashi for taking away his only purpose in life. Hopefully he and Rindou have a pleasent life together now that he can no longer use the sword or kusarigama.
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Post by: Griffith on August 18, 2009, 10:34:22 AM
I finished Vol. 13 over the weekend. :mushigrin:

Cool, I can garuntee that won't be the last time you read that one! I am right now as a matter of fact. :mushiguts:

My spoilers correspond to the same volumes labeled in Rhombaad's quoted post.

Volume 10: Musashi's battle with the four chief disciples of the Yagyu school was pretty epic. It's amazing how far he's come in such a short time. Plus it also shows just how skilled Inshun was in comparison to the four disciples, since Musashi is fighting all four at the same time (and winning). I was really stoked when he drew his wakizashi in addition to his katana, but a little bummed when he got rid of the short sword so quickly. Little did I know his fighting with both swords was just around the corner...

Yeah, as I've said before, the sequencing of that battle is one of the most amazing I've seen in comics. It reallys comes to life and gives a sense of action like out of a moving picture with all the different things happening between the battle and Otsu. I believe it also marks the first time that Musashi thanks a former opponent, in this case Inshun, for preparing him for this.

Volume 11: Musashi's encounter with Sekishusai was a little surprising to me. For starters, despite what Musashi has done in the past, killing a sleeping old man just didn't seem like something he'd do. This volume had some of the coolest art in the series so far. I really enjoyed the depictions of Sekishusai blocking Musashi's sword with his back/crotch scratcher. The way it seemed to wrap around the sword itself was very cool, even though it was all in Musashi's head. I was disappointed that he left Jotaro and Otsu behind, but I'm sure they'll meet again someday.

One of the more enigmatic volumes, it's kind of the dividing point of the series for me; there's BS and AS, the AS standing for "after Sekishusai", and obviously everything before is clearly BS. =)

Kidding about that of course, though not it being the epicenter of the series. It really does feel like a turning point in the series, as it is in Musashi's life.


Volume 12: Well Matahatchi's deception finally cost him something dear. Uncle Gon was a lot more badass than he seemed at first, and I really enjoyed Matahatchi's flashback to right before he left with Takezo. It was pretty heartwarming, which made his loss all the more difficult. Shishido Baiken/Tsujikaze Kohei's confrontation with the man who called Matahatchi out was a great way to show Baiken's devastating ability with the kusarigama, which made his upcoming fight with Musashi all the greater to look forward to. I'm really glad I purchased both Vol. 12 and 13 at the same time, otherwise that cliffhanger would've been a real killer.

Haha, tell that to Viz Big. =) Yeah, the stuff with Matahachi and Gon is some if Mata's best. My favorite part of this volume though is the mountain climb at the beginning and the showing Musashi's journey. It was good to see some change and balance, seeing Musashi dominating some lesser opponents rather than just watching him struggle and hang on to overcome the most challenging situations he could put himself in. Also a great representation of his change after encounter Sekishusai and the internalization of his training.

Volume 13: This volume was awesome. The fight between Musashi and Baiken culminating with Musashi finally drawing both swords and wounding Baiken was incredible. Inoue's art is pretty insane, especially the way he draws textures and the incredible amount of detail he puts into the surrounding environments of his characters. His portrayal of realistic violence and the sheer brutality of life and death combat is on another level, too. I literally felt sick to my stomach when Kohei's wound (given to him by the actual Sasaki Kojirou) opened up after killing the original Shishido Baiken. It was just so graphically real. It was nice to see a bit about Kohei's past at the end of the volume. No wonder he hated his brother so much and was so infuriated at Musashi for taking away his only purpose in life. Hopefully he and Rindou have a pleasent life together now that he can no longer use the sword or kusarigama.

Yeah, simply one of the best volumes in the series. Lots of cool stuff as you already described. The battle is fantastic and so are the flashbacks and aftermath and everything else. The graphic, and I guess specific, way that Musashi wins really makes it stand out. One of my favorite little moments is the one where Musashi gets over his father, just out of nowhere he makes peace with it in the moment. The strangest moment to me though, not unexpectedly, is ninja Matahatchi's sudden interference and departure. This also marks the first mention of the infamous "Spiral of Death and Killing." I also really love the reveal on the real Sasaki Kojiro, talk about ominous.

Kohei's story is pretty disturbing I must say, I re-read it recently though and enjoyed it's segue back into the early volumes, Kohei's character then and now overall.
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Post by: TheBranded1 on August 18, 2009, 04:22:31 PM


I just got Volumes 23 - 29. I"ll post more details later.
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Post by: Ko Ninja on August 20, 2009, 08:44:40 PM
Hey guys, I believe I read Vagabond (only the first Volume) back in '02, if I remember correctly.  I always wanted to read it further but never ever got the chance.  I see so many people from this site that actually show just as much appreciation for it as Berserk and I'm in the mood to read something along these lines.  I'm going to pick it all up soon and start reading.  I'm sure I'll get wrapped up and catch up quick but I'm actually pretty excited.  Thanks for having this area always haunting my past and making me do something I should have done long ago.
 :guts:

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Post by: Griffith on August 21, 2009, 07:48:39 AM
Welcome to the Inn, Ko Ninja!  :mushigrin:

Always good to have a new vagabond come and stay for a while, I hope you make it a long while and look forward to more posts from you.
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Post by: slan69 on August 21, 2009, 08:26:38 AM
Well, I was doing that volume by single volume, so I don't sympathize. =)

Though I think there might actually be an advantage to reading it that way because you to get to spend more time with and really get to know each individual volume inside and out. I'm sure you can do the same with the BIGs, but it'd still give everything... a little different identity.

That's so true for new readers I would recommend taking your time to read Vagabond. I know it may be hard because it just gets so addicting but in the long run it's better, you will get to know the story very well and almost not forgot the previous volumes you have read. Unfortunately I didn't do that so know I am back to re-reading, although for me it's a treat to re-read Vagabond since I have all the volumes up to date.:mushiguts:
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Post by: Shane on August 21, 2009, 09:07:18 AM
I decided to check this out after re-reading Berserk and seeing Griffith's sig. I read the first three volumes online and I loved it. The comic book store near me only had a few volumes (7, 12 and 15) and they were at a surprisingly good price so I had them order me volumes 1-20, minus the three I mentioned, which I bought and took home. Anyway, I absolutely love it thus far and I plan to re-read everything I've read online once my physical copies arrive.
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Post by: Griffith on August 21, 2009, 10:37:47 PM
That's awesome, Shane! Glad you fell for Vagabond like all of us, and glad to have you at the Inn. Man, I can't wait until all you "new readers" get caught up and we can have some prolonged discussions in the episode thread, it'll be much livelier with so many more points of view moving the greater dialogue along. Anyway Shane, looking forward to hearing more from you, hope your volumes arrive soon, and happy reading!


P.S. I've updated the Tankōbon section everyone, so if anybody wants to have a look at all the covers, titles, and other volume info (watch out for spoilers in the story descriptions though) currently available, have at it. Also, there's links to where you can order them at the top, as well as in my sig at the bottom.

http://www.skullknight.net/forum/index.php?topic=9973.0
Title: Re: New readers (use spoiler tags)
Post by: slan69 on August 21, 2009, 11:23:05 PM
Good to hear about the updates Griff. I have got to say that my favourite cover for Vagabond is volume 29.  :slan:
Title: Re: New readers (use spoiler tags)
Post by: Shane on August 22, 2009, 07:38:34 AM
Thanks for the warm welcome Griff and although you did it indirectly, thanks for getting me curious about Vagabond. It really is wonderful. I'm told I should get my volumes by next week on Friday. I hope I can offer some decent input here once I'm all caught up.
Title: Re: New readers (use spoiler tags)
Post by: Griffith on August 23, 2009, 09:05:32 AM
Good to hear about the updates Griff. I have got to say that my favourite cover for Vagabond is volume 29.  :slan:

No prob, I try to keep it up to date. I really should find a better way to publicize it though, maybe have open thread copies of those out in the main Inn board?

And favorite cover... hmmm...

Thanks for the warm welcome Griff and although you did it indirectly, thanks for getting me curious about Vagabond. It really is wonderful. I'm told I should get my volumes by next week on Friday. I hope I can offer some decent input here once I'm all caught up.

Anytime man, looking forward to what you think, and it really is the biggest compliment you could pay this place to say it helped get you into Vagabond, so thanks.
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Post by: slan69 on August 23, 2009, 09:08:14 AM
No prob, I try to keep it up to date. I really should find a better way to publicize it though, maybe have open thread copies of those out in the main Inn board?

And favorite cover... hmmm...

That sounds like a fine idea to me. Don't worry I was just joking I like all the covers for Vagabond. :mushiguts:
Title: Re: New readers (use spoiler tags)
Post by: Griffith on August 23, 2009, 09:25:46 AM
Don't apologize, it was an inspiration. :mushigrin:
Title: Re: New readers (use spoiler tags)
Post by: slan69 on August 23, 2009, 09:27:53 AM
Don't apologize, it was an inspiration. :mushigrin:

Ahh I see. :mushilaugh:
Title: Re: New readers (use spoiler tags)
Post by: TheBranded1 on August 27, 2009, 06:10:23 PM


I have my reviews from Volume 23 to 28. Since after that I started reading the downloads we discuss in the current episodes thread.

Volume 23. I am glad that Matahachi finally found the real Kojiro. And now knows he's nothing compared to him and Musashi. But of course he had to try to gain something from it.  He made it into the Yoshioka without being killed after being recognized he was the one who burned the place a year ago. Ueda trying to make Kojiro the replacement for the match seems to me that he knew already Musashi would beat Denshichiro. The drinking and eating of Matahachi and Kojiro at the Yoshioka is quite pleasant and Matahachi opening up to a deaf Kojiro kinda makes it like he's cheating at revealing this to Kojiro. That talk between Koetsu and Musashi seem similar to the one Godo and Guts had. And that scoundrel Matahachi, why didn't he give the certificate already?



Volume 24. It's starts with Musashi napping and dreaming or remembering about his childhood. It seems that he was more Kojiro-Yagyu in that. I like it how he says the sword will show him the way, and that he needs no teacher. And like Yagyu said "All is one". Nice! Musashi and Kojiro meet once again after Sekigahara. Musashi seems to know him, but can't remember. He realizes that Kojiro still has what he used to have when he was young and practicing in the mountains. Musashi admits he moved away from that awareness he used to have. It wasn't his father or the people around him. ňven this is a setback, but from it he has learned something new again. : -)
Kojiro and Mushi playing with the sticks seemed something I did once as a kid too. Now they know each other's names. Denshichiro is going to fight Musashi after banishing Ueda. And that boulder training seem kinda funny to me. Musashi leaves for the match and Ueda tries to stop him with a gun. That was not enough to stop Musashi, but he gets a warning that vengeance is coming up if he manages to kill Denshichiro. Wow! all the major spectators are there for the Match. Osugi,Takuan, Otsu, and Jotaro.Great! Funny when he's cutting into the crowd, Osugi calls him bastard,Takuan Musashi, and Jotaro Master.The Duel starts and know the aspects seem reverse from a year ago. Musashi analyzing how to cut Denshichiro seems to have mature on that matter, but rushing in with no sword(Perhaps trying to imitate Yagyu's teachings. You know when you don't have to draw your sword no more LOL)



Volume 25. The duel seems to go fast after Musashi draws his sword. Denshichiro now knows he's no match for Musashi and goes all out to take him with him. Just the opposite from a year ago. Even Musashi ask him to stop the duel, but I guess Denshichiro didn't want to break the promise to fight Musashi again. When I read Vol. 21 I thought that was the way Denshichiro was killed, but to see the rest of the fight and see the entire outcome sure was great. Now Ueda will do what he promised in Vol. 24 and get revenge for Denshichiro. Musashi and Matahachi's meeting sure was something I didn't expect to happen. Matahachi can't help it to feel so inferior to his childhood friend and just tries to get to him with derogatory terms. At least they met and talk for a bit. Good thing Matahachi got his whack from Musashi after talking about Otsu that way. So now he knows he has lost a friend. So our new headmaster Ueda is going to ambush Musashi. Forgetting all about honor and respect as a swordsmen. Surprising enough Musashi like a wild beast lingering on the three above listening. hehehhe. So Mushashi think he was going to die after taking on the 70 men of the Yoshioka. Saying "The spiral of killing couldn't get any worse". He remembers Osugi and Matahachi and the misunderstandings they have of him. He even has some tears from the memory of the Matahachi that has become now. He also remembers Otsu. oh poor Musashi. Ueda and his gang are confronted by Musashi, This seemed like the old reckless Takezo. You know take advantage of the situation. Better odds of winning that fight than  70, so he says. Takuan arrives to save the day, and they go off to have a drink. I like what Takuan tells Musashi. "You've become kind. That means you are strong. The strong are always kind." As Musashi is leaving, he has a change of heart and returns to the meeting place that Ueda told him. That sure made think of Musashi of his old self.




Volume 26. Musashi arrives on the opposite side the Yoshioka were expecting him from. I was surprised he poke the eyes of one guy and then punch the other one, instead of cutting them first. Then, he goes right after Ueda cutting that ear and part of the face.(ouch). The fighting is intense from the beginning. Just like Takuan says he's kind now. He thanks the Yoshioka for giving him that year to comeback. Horikawa's face full of surprise, when he found out Musashi was in the mountain path instead coming from the temple was sweet.Since he said himself that Musashi wouldn't get near Ueda. And the battle continues, Horikawa tries to go for Musashi but with no success, if he made the extra effort while Musashi was giving him his back he could have injured him at least, but too late for him. There are cuts to the eyes, legs, neck, it's just like target practice. Knees to the testicles, hilts to the head.There's even some wrestling moves there. It just goes on and on. So now, they know they are no match one on one, have to swarm him. But first let him get tired. Musashi's check on his jaw thinking it was chopped off was great. Here he is fighthing all this men and still tries to check if something's off.  Did you guys get what Takuan is saying. I had it all in Japanese writing, I'm thinking is like some praying chants or something like that. And the crows are gathering for a feast. It's a good contrast when they show the people in Kyoto just waking up, eating their breakfast and going to daily chores, as the Yoshioka are fighting Musashi.And the time to ambush Musashi when tired has arrived. Musashi goes into a thinking mode while fighting and starts to daydream, which costs him an injury. I like that pic they used of all the rats rushing towards the cat. Musashi and the Yoshioka alike are even using mud to cover their eyes. Hey anything can be a weapon in a battle! Ueda still lives! I like that thought Musashi had about the rabbit in the river and thought of himself just going with the stream and not get caught up in something to disturb his flow.


Volume 27. Kojiro misses Musashi, but he's in a fight right now. Wow, they got Musashi in the ground, but was quick to recover. At least someone thanked him for figthing him since the way of the sword is passing by now. They keep fighting, Musashi just keeps getting more tired, but at the same time not letting up and keeps killing. Ueda at least realizes they were no match for Musashi. Now that most of them are wiped out. At least they are going out before the sword really had no more value. Musashi finally finishes this carnage and starts to feel the pain of his injuries after he's cooling down, unaware that Ueda and his helper are on the way to take him out. I guess now he's thinking alittle bit more what just happened. He killed so many men, and remember what Takuan told him before. That flashback of Ueda was interesting, At least I know somewhat where he came from. He had a Chance and took it. Poor Musashi...and then just moments later another stab by Akemi and then she's off too. Then Kojiro writes his name on the snow, is like Musashi sensed it. So that's what's next for him so he thinks.




Volume 28. That's how kohei got the cut from Kojiro. It seems that was the famous swallow cut Kojiro's known for. Matahachi once again is the one to save Musashi after Fighting the Yoshioka.Now the three from Miyamoto village are together in one place. Matahachi is at least somewhat sorry for what he did to Otsu. Takuan asking Otsu to stay by Musashi's  side. I think he's doing this knowing Musashi's injury and also to keep him away from fighting again. Funny first Otsu comes in to talk to Musashi about where his path ends and tries to sleep besides him, and reconsiders, but has to go back in there as Matahachi enters. He tells Musashi that Otsu loves her, but I guess he knew that all along. The rumors have spread and everyone's talking about Musashi. He's become a celebrity. Now, that Musashi realizes he can't use his leg for now, he's becoming irritated by it. Takuan and him have a talk. A good one I might add. What's after this Musashi.Is this it? At least for now you can't fight for a while. And now the authorities come in to take you. Not an official fight? as if any of the fights he had before were official. Oh well time to hit the slammer Musashi.
Title: Re: New readers (use spoiler tags)
Post by: Shane on August 27, 2009, 11:41:05 PM
I picked up my volumes today. It's a much nicer experience to have it physically rather than reading it off a computer screen. Maybe I'm just too happy but I feel like I can appreciate the artwork and the story much more now that I actually have it in my hands.
Title: Re: New readers (use spoiler tags)
Post by: Ko Ninja on September 03, 2009, 09:23:40 AM
I finally picked some up and I must say even though I've only read the first Volume, I'm ready to give this a big chance.  Now to make time.
Title: Re: New readers (use spoiler tags)
Post by: slan69 on September 03, 2009, 09:27:42 AM
I finally picked some up and I must say even though I've only read the first Volume, I'm ready to give this a big chance.  Now to make time.

I felt the same way. The story just makes you want to read more and more, and learn more about Musashi (or should I say Takezo) and hell even Matahachi. :mushilaugh:
Title: Re: New readers (use spoiler tags)
Post by: Griffith on September 03, 2009, 09:52:12 PM
Nice reviews branded, makes me want to read through those volumes again, it's been too long! :mushigrin:

I picked up my volumes today. It's a much nicer experience to have it physically rather than reading it off a computer screen. Maybe I'm just too happy but I feel like I can appreciate the artwork and the story much more now that I actually have it in my hands.

No, that's totally the case, the scans are actually quite unflattering to the series.

I finally picked some up and I must say even though I've only read the first Volume, I'm ready to give this a big chance.  Now to make time.

Glad to hear it, I hope you can make the time to enjoy the rest and tell us what you think.

I felt the same way. The story just makes you want to read more and more, and learn more about Musashi (or should I say Takezo) and hell even Matahachi. :mushilaugh:

I think I've learned more than I wanted to know about Matahatchi a loooong time ago. :mushilaugh:
Title: Re: New readers (use spoiler tags)
Post by: Drakull on September 10, 2009, 11:33:20 AM
I'm on volume 26, I just ordered the next 3!

volume 26, the fight with the Yoshioka is dawn good ! So hard, so bloody ! I had mercy for the Yoshioka members at the end...they are powerless.  I wonder if one day Musashi and Kojiro will fight....
Title: Re: New readers (use spoiler tags)
Post by: Griffith on September 20, 2009, 04:08:07 AM
So, where are our "new readers" at? I want updates. :mushigrin:
Title: Re: New readers (use spoiler tags)
Post by: slan69 on September 20, 2009, 04:12:24 AM
So, where are our "new readers" at? I want updates. :mushigrin:

I second this. Tell us your thought's new readers. :mushiguts:
Title: Re: New readers (use spoiler tags)
Post by: Rhombaad on September 20, 2009, 06:39:07 AM
So, where are our "new readers" at? I want updates. :mushigrin:

Unfortunately, I haven't read any more volumes since I last posted. :mushiugh:
Title: Re: New readers (use spoiler tags)
Post by: Griffith on September 20, 2009, 06:50:56 AM
Unfortunately, I haven't read any more volumes since I last posted. :mushiugh:

That sucks man, what's the reason for this unfortunate occurrence, lack of fundage?
Title: Re: New readers (use spoiler tags)
Post by: Rhombaad on September 20, 2009, 08:36:32 PM
That sucks man, what's the reason for this unfortunate occurrence, lack of fundage?

Yep, I've spent almost $400 on car repairs this month and another $160 for an eye exam and new contacts. Hopefully, I can order another volume or two the paycheck after next, since this coming check will be for next month's rent.
Title: Re: New readers (use spoiler tags)
Post by: Griffith on September 20, 2009, 11:42:57 PM
Ouch, the trifecta, medoical, car, and rent. I hope at least the first two don't give you anymore trouble for a while, was the car just in need of repair for a while, or did it break down on you? Anyway, I can see why you haven't been able to continue the story; you don't want to become a vagabond reading Vagabond. :mushilaugh:
Title: Re: New readers (use spoiler tags)
Post by: Rhombaad on September 21, 2009, 02:18:19 AM
Ouch, the trifecta, medoical, car, and rent. I hope at least the first two don't give you anymore trouble for a while, was the car just in need of repair for a while, or did it break down on you? Anyway, I can see why you haven't been able to continue the story; you don't want to become a vagabond reading Vagabond. :mushilaugh:

Yeah, the Trinity of Terror. Luckily, the car can be repaired for free at the dealership, since the problem has to do with a recall from a few years back. However, it took $400 worth of labor to discover what the problem was. I blame Causality. And as much as I'd love to train in the wilderness and risk death time and time again, I'd rather just chill in my apartment reading Berserk (and Vagabond) after I get home from work.
Title: Re: New readers (use spoiler tags)
Post by: Griffith on September 21, 2009, 02:27:10 AM
Yeah, the Trinity of Terror. Luckily, the car can be repaired for free at the dealership, since the problem has to do with a recall from a few years back. However, it took $400 worth of labor to discover what the problem was. I blame Causality.

UGH, that's the worst! What a ripoff, see if you can't sneak in a $400 rebate with whatever work they do for you.

And as much as I'd love to train in the wilderness and risk death time and time again, I'd rather just chill in my apartment reading Berserk (and Vagabond) after I get home from work.

And I hope you're able to get back to it soon (though re-reading the previous volumes is always fun =). Yeah, I'd much rather rough it in the woods vicariously through Musashi than do it myself.
Title: Re: New readers (use spoiler tags)
Post by: TheBranded1 on September 21, 2009, 04:53:20 AM
Yeah, the Trinity of Terror. Luckily, the car can be repaired for free at the dealership, since the problem has to do with a recall from a few years back. However, it took $400 worth of labor to discover what the problem was. I blame Causality. And as much as I'd love to train in the wilderness and risk death time and time again, I'd rather just chill in my apartment reading Berserk (and Vagabond) after I get home from work.

Too bad about your recent situation Rhombaad. Hopefully next time a recall comes you don't have to deal so much trouble. Don't worry as Ittosai said to Kojiro, "Everything  must be new to you, don't rush it. Otherwise you'll get bored". :mushiwink:
Title: Re: New readers (use spoiler tags)
Post by: Shane on October 08, 2009, 03:14:06 AM
I've got volumes 1 - 20 nicely shelved. Taking all of those home in one trip was a bit of a strain. I technically read all of the current volumes online but I don't really trust those translations. With my physical copies, I'm on volume 6 but since my second year of college started, I hardly get any free time and I would prefer to read the entire volume in one sitting.
Title: Re: New readers (use spoiler tags)
Post by: Griffith on October 08, 2009, 07:09:05 AM
Good to hear, congrats on lugging home all those things home, I've carried all mine around before in a duffel bag, and even that was a bit unruly, especially when you add about 10 more volumes. :ganishka:

Anyway, I recommend trying to read one before bed if you can hit the sack with a little extra time set aside for it some nights.
Title: Re: New readers (use spoiler tags)
Post by: Rhombaad on October 08, 2009, 02:14:04 PM
Too bad about your recent situation Rhombaad. Hopefully next time a recall comes you don't have to deal so much trouble. Don't worry as Ittosai said to Kojiro, "Everything  must be new to you, don't rush it. Otherwise you'll get bored". :mushiwink:

Thanks man. Turns out, the recall didn't pertain to my vehicle identification number, so I took it to my mechanic who fixed the problem for another $400. They would've charged me way more at the dealership, so I decided to have my mechanic take care of it instead since he's a friend of the family and won't screw me over. I just got paid on Monday so I'm good to go now. Last month was pretty tight cash wise.
Title: Re: New readers (use spoiler tags)
Post by: Griffith on October 08, 2009, 04:42:45 PM
That's great to hear, I hope all that's behind you for good now!
Title: Re: New readers (use spoiler tags)
Post by: Rhombaad on October 08, 2009, 04:44:02 PM
That's great to hear, I hope all that's behind you for good now!

Thanks, Griff, me, too! :carcus:
Title: Re: New readers (use spoiler tags)
Post by: Griffith on October 08, 2009, 04:54:31 PM
For sure, and I hope you're able to get back into Vagabond soon.:badbone:


Well, we're caught up with Shane and Rhombaad, anybody else have news?
Title: Re: Current Episodes Thread
Post by: Shane on October 18, 2009, 01:18:44 AM
I hope this is in the right section.
I progressed a bit farther in the series, I'm on vol. 12 at the moment. I'm surprised how muchthe death of uncle gon gets to me :iva:
Title: Re: Current Episodes Thread
Post by: slan69 on October 18, 2009, 03:18:36 AM
I hope this is in the right section.

I would say maybe it should go in the New readers thread, I am not sure though but that's what I did as I progressed through the story, I posted my thoughts about it in that thread. If you are going to post in the Current Episode Thread there really is no need for spoiler tags, Griff told me that since this thread is about the current episodes of Vagabond that are coming out, people who enter the Vagabond Inn should no that they are in for spoilers if they enter this thread :serpico:.

I progressed a bit farther in the series, I'm on vol. 12 at the moment. I'm surprised how muchthe death of uncle gon gets to me :iva:
Yeah I felt really bad for uncle Gon as well, he was a nice man and he died trying to protect that idiot Matahachi.  :sad:
Title: Re: Current Episodes Thread
Post by: Eluvei on October 18, 2009, 11:00:55 AM
I'm surprised how muchthe death of uncle gon gets to me :iva:

Yeah, I also found it touching. But I think it's partly because we know that he was the only one, aside from Granny Hon'iden, that truly had faith in Matahachi becoming a better man. For him to die while Matahachi runs away... it's like Inoue's telling us he's really, really hopeless.
Title: Re: Current Episodes Thread
Post by: Grail on October 18, 2009, 07:31:41 PM
Yeah, I also found it touching. But I think it's partly because we know that he was the only one, aside from Granny Hon'iden, that truly had faith in Matahachi becoming a better man. For him to die while Matahachi runs away... it's like Inoue's telling us he's really, really hopeless.
On one hand, yeah, that's probably one of Matahachi's lowest points. But at the same time, the incident really humanizes him. As much as you want to hate him for being a coward, I think that Gon's death helped Matahachi realize that if he just keeps running away in various ways, he'll end up losing everything that really matters. Of course, being Matahachi, I don't think it properly sinks in for some time... :azan:
Title: Re: New readers (no spoilers)
Post by: Griffith on October 21, 2009, 07:12:28 AM
I hope this is in the right section.

As Slan said, best to keep the discussion of earlier volumes here (I should probably give the thread a makeover to make it more clearly for general series discussion, like Manga Mausoleum), and you'll want to be careful looking in the Current Episodes thread anyway, thar be spoilers!

I progressed a bit farther in the series, I'm on vol. 12 at the moment. I'm surprised how muchthe death of uncle gon gets to me :iva:

Glad to hear you've made progress, that's one of my favorite volumes, and not surprising you feel that way, though it's certainly unexpected while you're reading. It's so worthless. :sad:

Yeah I felt really bad for uncle Gon as well, he was a nice man and he died trying to protect that idiot Matahachi.  :sad:
Yeah, moral of the story, don't help Matahatchi! :schierke:

Yeah, I also found it touching. But I think it's partly because we know that he was the only one, aside from Granny Hon'iden, that truly had faith in Matahachi becoming a better man. For him to die while Matahachi runs away... it's like Inoue's telling us he's really, really hopeless.

Yeah, and it was all the more touching because Gon saw right through Matahachi and knew him for what he was yet still loved him and thought he was good enough to be somebody, maybe not a big somebody, but a somebody.  Matahachi would have been better off spending more time with Gon, he encouraged him when he needed it, but called him out too. Gon had realistic expectations and knew before Matahachi did what a good life he had setup for him.

On one hand, yeah, that's probably one of Matahachi's lowest points. But at the same time, the incident really humanizes him. As much as you want to hate him for being a coward, I think that Gon's death helped Matahachi realize that if he just keeps running away in various ways, he'll end up losing everything that really matters. Of course, being Matahachi, I don't think it properly sinks in for some time... :azan:

Yeah, that's a good point, and a theme about Matahachi in general; he's sort of good at hitting rock bottom and finding the light down there for the rest of us.
Title: Re: New Readers (No Spoilers)
Post by: Minotaur on November 29, 2009, 08:32:21 PM
I finished volume 3 last night (I started Wedsday) and I plan to read 4-6 today. It seems like a fun series so far. I can't wait to read more!
Title: Re: New Readers (No Spoilers)
Post by: Eluvei on November 30, 2009, 03:55:55 AM
I finished volume 3 last night (I started Wedsday) and I plan to read 4-6 today. It seems like a fun series so far. I can't wait to read more!

And it just keeps getting better, man! If I had to pick, my personal favorites are probably volumes 13, 14 and 25.

Keep posting your impressions as you progress! I'm always interested in reading people's takes on such a rich story.
Title: Re: New Readers (No Spoilers)
Post by: Griffith on December 16, 2009, 06:26:28 PM
How's it coming Minotaur, any progress after 4-6?
Title: Re: New Readers (No Spoilers)
Post by: CowTip on December 17, 2009, 12:13:43 AM
I just picked up VizBig edition 5 today.... joy~  :guts:
Title: Re: New Readers (No Spoilers)
Post by: Griffith on December 17, 2009, 09:09:51 AM
Cool, that's definitely an exciting one, how did you like the turn the story takes?
Title: Re: New Readers (No Spoilers)
Post by: Draculoid on January 04, 2010, 08:22:08 PM
Have picked up and read the 5 Viz Big Editions that are out. AWESOME series. Its so easy to put it up so much higher then so many other series i've read just for the sheer philosophy and character development. I tihnk im going to die waiting for the other big editions, ill probably jsut cave and read it online even though i don't want to.
Title: Re: New Readers (No Spoilers)
Post by: Griffith on January 05, 2010, 08:53:55 AM
Have picked up and read the 5 Viz Big Editions that are out. AWESOME series. Its so easy to put it up so much higher then so many other series i've read just for the sheer philosophy and character development.

Very nice, that's the way to take the plunge! It's actually hard to even think of an facet of Vagabond that doesn't set it above most series, art, story, you name it.

I tihnk im going to die waiting for the other big editions, ill probably jsut cave and read it online even though i don't want to.

If you're that desperate, and believe me I understand, don't forget that you can also order the individual volumes here (http://www.skullknight.net/forum/index.php?topic=9973.0). You might like them even more than the BIGs, and you can always trade up later if you want consistency.
Title: Re: New Readers (No Spoilers)
Post by: Rhombaad on January 05, 2010, 04:20:41 PM
Just ordered Vol. 14 now that I've got a little extra cash this month. :serpico:
Title: Re: New Readers (No Spoilers)
Post by: Griffith on January 07, 2010, 09:39:32 AM
As usual, let us know what you think, it's a great volume. :SK:

I'd have gotten 14 and 15 together though. :guts:


P.S. Doh, I can't seem to find the post where I broke down in what pairs or groups I would order the volumes in for the best reading experience while still spacing out the purchases.
Title: Re: New Readers (No Spoilers)
Post by: Draculoid on January 07, 2010, 07:20:50 PM
So after reading up to volume 15 i gotta say i think my favorite character is Matahachi. How is he recieved by people generaly? and who are some other peoples favs? (if this should be in another thread just relate it to characters in the first 5 volumes that i've read)
Title: Re: New Readers (No Spoilers)
Post by: Walter on January 07, 2010, 07:22:12 PM
So after reading up to volume 15 i gotta say i think my favorite character is Matahachi. How is he recieved by people generaly? and who are some other peoples favs? (if this should be in another thread just relate it to characters in the first 5 volumes that i've read)
Matahachi's among my favorites as well, and I even made a little thread defending him: http://www.skullknight.net/forum/index.php?topic=9926.0

While I like all the characters, the ones who really steal scenes for me, and I pore over each panel they're in are: Takuan and Ittosai.
Title: Re: New Readers (No Spoilers)
Post by: Griffith on January 07, 2010, 08:49:11 PM
My favorite is easily Musashi, and it's hard for me to pick a second or even throw out other names because most of them fascinate me in some way. I never really thought about this before, but while Musashi is the star, Vagabond is full of "favorite" characters to me, it's like a favorite ensemble, you can put almost any of the major supporting characters in that category. I can't even say that for Berserk, but then, my favorite there kind of stands out. (http://www.skullknight.net/forum/Smileys/Berserk/griffnotevil2.gif)
Title: Re: New Readers (No Spoilers)
Post by: Rhombaad on January 08, 2010, 04:47:29 PM
I'd have gotten 14 and 15 together though. :guts:

Haha, I remember you saying that, but I just can't afford to buy more than one per paycheck right now.

P.S. Doh, I can't seem to find the post where I broke down in what pairs or groups I would order the volumes in for the best reading experience while still spacing out the purchases.

I think it might be in this thread, but I'm not sure. I had it favorited at one time, but I've lost track of it since then.
Title: Re: New Readers (No Spoilers)
Post by: TheBranded1 on January 08, 2010, 05:26:07 PM


P.S. Doh, I can't seem to find the post where I broke down in what pairs or groups I would order the volumes in for the best reading experience while still spacing out the purchases.

I found it. I think this will help you out Rhombaad


That's true, 13, 14, and 15 would be packed together at this rate, and even more awkward for those in the know, 19, 20, and 21. I totally share that sentiment, it was great as originally presented, though there is that one mitigating factor, the Kohei min-arc. If you can disregard that, and really, it's not easy considering some it's own haunting allusions, I think you can get past the Kojiro arc starting in the same book. Still, there's no arguing the way to go is the volumes. My biggest complaint with Vagabig is similar, but simpler... it's just too big. The size of the regular volumes is most comfortable for reading.
Title: Re: New Readers (No Spoilers)
Post by: Griffith on January 08, 2010, 05:32:37 PM
Nope, that's not it. :judo:
Title: Re: New Readers (No Spoilers)
Post by: flagawax on February 04, 2010, 12:12:25 PM
 ... Thanks a lot ...  I discovered this manga last week ... since, I spend all my freetime to read Vagabond volumes ..
... it's amazing ... the drawings are so rich ... it's art ..
Title: Re: New Readers (No Spoilers)
Post by: Griffith on February 04, 2010, 08:53:03 PM
Yes, another convert! :guts:

Welcome to the Vagabond Inn, flagawax! Enjoy our many Vagabond discussions, related sections (in the menu above or in my sig below), and feel free to contribute to any and all of them if you wish.
Title: Re: New Readers (No Spoilers)
Post by: ryOtoha on February 09, 2010, 01:22:34 AM
Since the french publication debut I wanted to start Vagabond. Basically, it's been 9 years (march 2001). So, here I am  :carcus:
I've already red the first volume and planning to buy a dozen (among others things like Eden and Gantz) next week cause I'll be in france for three weeks (I living in Montreal).

I'm waiting for at least 5 vol. behind me to give my first impressions. For the moment, I'm just curious on how the relation between Takezo and Matahachi will evolve in the future and can wait to see them aging/evolve/growing, reach their dreams and maybe... becoming rivals.

By the way, great emoticons !
Title: Re: New Readers (No Spoilers)
Post by: TheBranded1 on February 09, 2010, 01:43:56 AM

I'm waiting for at least 5 vol. behind me to give my first impressions. For the moment, I'm just curious on how the relation between Takezo and Matahachi will evolve in the future and can wait to see them aging/evolve/growing, reach their dreams and maybe... becoming rivals.

By the way, great emoticons !

OH you'll be surprised! Welcome to the Inn. I hope we hear your impressions when you get the next volumes.
Title: Re: New Readers (No Spoilers)
Post by: Griffith on February 09, 2010, 11:41:26 AM
Welcome to the Inn, Ryouma! Looking forward to hearing your impressions when you're ready to share them, and thanks for the compliment on the emots. :badbone:
Title: Re: New Readers (No Spoilers)
Post by: ryOtoha on February 09, 2010, 04:14:49 PM
Thank you comrades :serpico:
Title: Re: New Readers (No Spoilers)
Post by: Gobolatula on February 26, 2010, 06:37:18 PM
For you Vagabond fans or new readers, I'm selling my copies of the first 11 volumes.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=230442810691

It's got the 1st VizBig edition (volumes 1-3) and the individual volumes 4-11.
Title: Re: New Readers (No Spoilers)
Post by: Rhombaad on March 10, 2010, 05:08:25 PM
I just placed my order for Vol. 15. I'm getting there, slowly but surely. :carcus:
Title: Re: New Readers (No Spoilers)
Post by: Griffith on March 13, 2010, 06:32:06 PM
I still remember when I got that one, I distinctly remember reading it at a bus stop outside a Chinese place in Santa Cruz... good volume.:badbone:
Title: Re: New Readers (No Spoilers)
Post by: Rhombaad on March 14, 2010, 08:20:06 PM
I still remember when I got that one, I distinctly remember reading it at a bus stop outside a Chinese place in Santa Cruz... good volume.:badbone:

Haha, awesome! It just arrived yesterday and I can't wait to dive into it. I'll probably start reading it tonight before bed.

Edit: Vol. 15 is awesome so far! Master Fudo was beyond creepy and his fight with Kanemaki Jisai was awesome! I literally shouted "Fuck yeah!" when Jisai made his killing stroke and blood splattered all across his face. He looked so badass at that moment, even more so because he'd been acting so hesitant about the fight. I just placed my order for Vol. 16 and hope to finish 15 later tonight or this weekend.
Title: Re: New Readers (No Spoilers)
Post by: Griffith on March 18, 2010, 07:09:59 PM
Haha, awesome! It just arrived yesterday and I can't wait to dive into it. I'll probably start reading it tonight before bed.

Edit: Vol. 15 is awesome so far! Master Fudo was beyond creepy and his fight with Kanemaki Jisai was awesome! I literally shouted "Fuck yeah!" when Jisai made his killing stroke and blood splattered all across his face. He looked so badass at that moment, even more so because he'd been acting so hesitant about the fight. I just placed my order for Vol. 16 and hope to finish 15 later tonight or this weekend.

I like you enthusiasm! :zodd:
Yeah, that's when the Kojiro arc really begins to pick up steam, just wait for the next volume though! :guts:

Volume 15: Speaking of the creepy Master Fudo, a crazy old theory Walter and I have tossed back and forth; remember that line about how skilled Fudo was to wield the drying pole one handed and Jisai wondering if he once went by another, greater name? And, doesn't he also look kinda familiar? Hint: Volume 7.
Title: Re: New Readers (No Spoilers)
Post by: Rhombaad on March 18, 2010, 08:01:25 PM
I like you enthusiasm! :zodd:

Thanks! Now that I've got some cash again I can start following the series more regularly.

Yeah, that's when the Kojiro arc really begins to pick up steam, just wait for the next volume though! :guts:

I really like how it's shifted to follow Kojiro's story. It reminds me a lot of how Miura jumps back and forth between Guts and Griffith.

Volume 15: Speaking of the creepy Master Fudo, a crazy old theory Walter and I have tossed back and forth; remember that line about how skilled Fudo was to wield the drying pole one handed and Jisai wondering if he once went by another, greater name? And, doesn't he also look kinda familiar? Hint: Volume 7.

I thought maybe that would be something covered in future volumes when I read it last night. I'll take a look through Vol. 7 when I get home tonight.
Title: Re: New Readers (No Spoilers)
Post by: Griffith on March 18, 2010, 08:28:25 PM
Thanks! Now that I've got some cash again I can start following the series more regularly.

Good news all around!

I really like how it's shifted to follow Kojiro's story. It reminds me a lot of how Miura jumps back and forth between Guts and Griffith.

Yeah, another parallel! Though Inoue takes it to the extreme here.

I thought maybe that would be something covered in future volumes when I read it last night. I'll take a look through Vol. 7 when I get home tonight.

Cool, let me know if you see what I see. :slan:
Title: Re: New Readers (No Spoilers)
Post by: TheBranded1 on March 18, 2010, 09:22:15 PM


Yeah, when I first saw master Fudo I thought he was Kami'Izumi Ise no Kami. It's good your making progress on your reading Rhombaad. Keep at it!
Title: Re: New Readers (No Spoilers)
Post by: Rhombaad on March 19, 2010, 03:34:56 AM
Cool, let me know if you see what I see. :slan:

Kami'izumi Ise no Kami Hidetsuna? There's definitely a resemblance, and I don't think he'd have any trouble wielding a nodachi like "The Drying Pole" with one hand. Do you guys think he went crazy or something in his old age? He was in his 60s when he first taught Yagyu Muneyoshi and In'ei, so it's possible that he might still have been alive by the time Kojiro was nine. What do you guys think happened in the time between?
Title: Re: New Readers (No Spoilers)
Post by: Griffith on March 19, 2010, 08:13:27 AM
Kami'izumi Ise no Kami Hidetsuna? There's definitely a resemblance, and I don't think he'd have any trouble wielding a nodachi like "The Drying Pole" with one hand. Do you guys think he went crazy or something in his old age? He was in his 60s when he first taught Yagyu Muneyoshi and In'ei, so it's possible that he might still have been alive by the time Kojiro was nine. What do you guys think happened in the time between?

On the nose (though Branded gave it away =); also, in my copy of volume 7, it says he was only 50 at the time he fought Yagyu and In'ei, lending more credence to the plausibility.

Anyway, I don't have a solid theory as to what or why, perhaps he was simply driven mad by the sword; not his dedication to it, but his peerless excellence. Like that malaise you feel when you max out everything in a game (once, I went around and killed every single enemy and NPC in the original Fallout, "I won, right?" =). Ittosai has expressed boredom with being unrivaled on multiple occasions, and Fudo himself said, perhaps revealingly, "Rather than being on top, it's better to work your way uphill... Heh heh heh... The way of the sword is magnificent."

Has anyone put that base appeal better? Further on down that road, what really makes it fun to compare them is the contrast between them. One was totally calm, centered and at peace, the source of "no sword," while other was erratic, disturbed and chaotic, coming to the psychotically zen conclusion immediately after losing his hand, "What was two is now one. In a sense it's less distracting." Though, they were also both pure in their own way. Each arguably represents the extreme of "light" and "dark" that Yagyu and Ito are each aligned with respectively, and which Musashi struggles between. So, does that just prove they're truly different, or simply make the idea more intriguing that those two sides could manifest to such extremes in the same man, one incarnation the super-ego to the other's id, or as Mr. Burns would say, yin to the raging Yang? In any case, what does that say for the balance of that light and darkness overall, and most importantly, what does that say for the balance within and between Musashi and Kojiro?
Title: Re: New Readers (No Spoilers)
Post by: Rhombaad on March 19, 2010, 01:49:23 PM
On the nose (though Branded gave it away =); also, in my copy of volume 7, it says he was only 50 at the time he fought Yagyu and In'ei, lending more credence to the plausibility.

I'll have to double check my volume, but my guess is it says the same thing. I was going off of memory, which is never a good idea haha. But yeah, that would make it even more likely that he was still alive at that time.

Anyway, I don't have a solid theory as to what or why, perhaps he was simply driven mad by the sword; not his dedication to it, but his peerless excellence. Like that malaise you feel when you max out everything in a game (once, I went around and killed every single enemy and NPC in the original Fallout, "I won, right?" =). Ittosai has expressed boredom with being unrivaled on multiple occasions, and Fudo himself said, perhaps revealingly, "Rather than being on top, it's better to work your way uphill... Heh heh heh... The way of the sword is magnificent."

The only problem I have with the idea is that he just didn't seem like someone who even cared how good he was. He seemed totally at peace with himself and his skill. However, if he started going mad due to an illness of some kind, that would all go out the window.

Has anyone put that base appeal better? Further on down that road, what really makes it fun to compare them is the contrast between them. One was totally calm, centered and at peace, the source of "no sword," while other was erratic, disturbed and chaotic, coming to the psychotically zen conclusion immediately after losing his hand, "What was two is now one. In a sense it's less distracting." Though, they were also both pure in their own way. Each arguably represents the extreme of "light" and "dark" that Yagyu and Ito are each aligned with respectively, and which Musashi struggles between. So, does that just prove they're truly different, or simply make the idea more intriguing that those two sides could manifest to such extremes in the same man, one incarnation the super-ego to the other's id, or as Mr. Burns would say, yin to the raging Yang? In any case, what does that say for the balance of that light and darkness overall, and most importantly, what does that say for the balance within and between Musashi and Kojiro?

It would certainly fit with the rest of the story and the internal struggle Musashi is constantly dealing with. Think Inoue will ever give a definitive answer? My gut tells me he's probably going to leave it at this.
Title: Re: New Readers (No Spoilers)
Post by: Walter on March 19, 2010, 02:32:49 PM
I know we've tossed around the idea a few times before, but there are a few problems with it. I always thought we were joking too? Like, "*nyuk nyuk* wouldn't that be neat?"  :troll:  Anyway, here's my reasons why I don't think it's true.

There's no hint at all from Sekishusai that Kami'Izumi fell from grace (and what a fall from grace it'd be too...), so to speak. He still thinks fondly of his former master, and even dedicated a wing of his estate to him. Not to mention the resemblance between Fudo and Kami'Izumi isn't very strong. Particularly, Fudo looks quite a bit younger than even the flashback depiction of Kami'Izumi.
Title: Re: New Readers (No Spoilers)
Post by: Rhombaad on March 19, 2010, 02:51:38 PM
There's no hint at all from Sekishusai that Kami'Izumi fell from grace (and what a fall from grace it'd be too...), so to speak. He still thinks fondly of his former master, and even dedicated a wing of his estate to him. Not to mention the resemblance between Fudo and Kami'Izumi isn't very strong. Particularly, Fudo looks quite a bit younger than even the flashback depiction of Kami'Izumi.

Even I'nei thinks fondly of his old master, which leads me to believe they were probably there at the end with him, or at least knew of his death. Fudo's facial structure is a bit different from Kami'izumi's, as well. There's a slight resemblance, but there's also a lot of differences.

I did enjoy that Fudo came up with "The Drying Pole" and not Sojiro. It was a pretty cool twist on history.
Title: Re: New Readers (No Spoilers)
Post by: Griffith on March 19, 2010, 05:28:30 PM
The only problem I have with the idea is that he just didn't seem like someone who even cared how good he was. He seemed totally at peace with himself and his skill. However, if he started going mad due to an illness of some kind, that would all go out the window.

We didn't really get that deep into the inner workings of his character, but imagine one having a cataclysmic shift in their way of looking at the world from one outlook to another... hmmm, I just realized there's a conversation I want to reference for this but can't without spoiling recent events (and it's not worth it for this =). So, I'm going to have to give you a rain check on this one, it's not like I'm going to fight to the death on this point anyway.

It would certainly fit with the rest of the story and the internal struggle Musashi is constantly dealing with. Think Inoue will ever give a definitive answer? My gut tells me he's probably going to leave it at this.

Yeah, I don't think so either, speaking of which...

I know we've tossed around the idea a few times before, but there are a few problems with it. I always thought we were joking too? Like, "*nyuk nyuk* wouldn't that be neat?"  :troll:

Yeah, I was just running with the idea, and forget to add disclaimers that the Jisai thing about a more renowned name was probably just a throwaway line to add some extra gravitas to the scene, and that the whole thing is really more of a "what if." It was fun though, and I do think it's possible, but either way, the comparison makes for good commentary on the possible limitations of the "dark" approach to the sword, and bigger picture, how it pertains to both Musashi and Kojiro (in this case, I'm thinking more Kojiro).

Anyway, here's my reasons why I don't think it's true.

There's no hint at all from Sekishusai that Kami'Izumi fell from grace (and what a fall from grace it'd be too...), so to speak. He still thinks fondly of his former master, and even dedicated a wing of his estate to him.

I'll play devil's advocate and say that doesn't confirm or deny it. Yagyu wouldn't have to necessarily know exactly what became of his old master, especially if he disappeared into obscure living.

Not to mention the resemblance between Fudo and Kami'Izumi isn't very strong. Particularly, Fudo looks quite a bit younger than even the flashback depiction of Kami'Izumi.[/spoiler]

We'll have to agree to disagree on those points, particularly the latter. Comparing them, Kami's features don't look so old as wise to me, and while Fudo could just be naturally more wrinkled, ragged, and ugly from hard living, I can also plausibly see his face as an older, ravaged, version of Kami's. He still would have aged very well, but then, so has Ittosai. :guts:

Or, to put it another way, I think Fudo resembles Kami as much as Baiken resembles Kohei. Anyway, to be clear, it's just a "what if" scenario, nobody should look at it as anything more, and certainly not the default interpretation.
Title: Re: New Readers (No Spoilers)
Post by: Syaoran on March 22, 2010, 07:58:36 AM
Just poping in to say I love the manga, I'm ... 4 books in ?

Anyway It makes me want to watch some old movies my uncle found that are based around Musashi too
Title: Re: New Readers (No Spoilers)
Post by: Rhombaad on March 22, 2010, 03:22:57 PM
Gah! Vol. 16 is way overpriced on Amazon.com and emerchandise.com just canceled my order. I'm gonna roll on down to Kinokuniya today and see if they still have a copy in. Otherwise, I may have to pick it up on Amazon.com anyway...
Title: Re: New Readers (No Spoilers)
Post by: Griffith on March 23, 2010, 01:14:43 AM
Just poping in to say I love the manga, I'm ... 4 books in ?

Anyway It makes me want to watch some old movies my uncle found that are based around Musashi too

Welcome Syaoran, hope to hear more from you.

Gah! Vol. 16 is way overpriced on Amazon.com and emerchandise.com just canceled my order. I'm gonna roll on down to Kinokuniya today and see if they still have a copy in. Otherwise, I may have to pick it up on Amazon.com anyway...

Whoa, you weren't kidding, for some reason 16 is listed at $45.95 through Viz Store/Amazon, I thought it was a typo, but 15 is also listed at $33.50 (I notice searching the old fashioned way on amazon reveals they're all from private sellers). 14 and 17 are both the normal $9.95, as are the others I randomly clicked, so it seems like a bizarre lack of supply with those two volumes in particular. Weird.
Title: Re: New Readers (No Spoilers)
Post by: Walter on March 23, 2010, 03:23:48 AM
For a while, volume 15 of Berserk was also a rarity and overpriced. Thankfully they made a second (third?) run of it, and all is well now. I wonder what's so special about the teen numbers...?
Title: Re: New Readers (No Spoilers)
Post by: Griffith on March 23, 2010, 06:34:24 AM
Yeah, seems like that's around where some volumes fall into no man's land between new release and reissue. It probably doesn't help that Viz also has a competing reissue format in VizBig editions, making reprints of those volumes redundant.
Title: Re: New Readers (No Spoilers)
Post by: Rhombaad on March 24, 2010, 08:05:58 PM
I caved and picked it up on www.amazon.com (http://www.amazon.com) for $45. :schierke:
Title: Re: New Readers (No Spoilers)
Post by: Griffith on March 24, 2010, 11:06:44 PM
Damn, that's ironic considering your previous purchasing limitations, but we've got another full-fledged addict among our ranks! :zodd:
Title: Re: New Readers (No Spoilers)
Post by: slan69 on March 24, 2010, 11:14:38 PM
Damn, that's ironic considering your previous purchasing limitations, but we've got another full-fledged addict among our ranks! :zodd:

Damn indeed, but nonetheless for Vagabond it's totally worth it. :guts:
Title: Re: New Readers (No Spoilers)
Post by: Rhombaad on March 25, 2010, 04:39:17 AM
Damn, that's ironic considering your previous purchasing limitations, but we've got another full-fledged addict among our ranks! :zodd:

Haha, this time I put in on my credit card instead of using my checking account. But yeah, I'd say I'm addicted. :carcus:
Title: Re: New Readers (No Spoilers)
Post by: Griffith on March 30, 2010, 12:06:29 AM
Well, I just hope you really like that volume. :guts:
Title: Re: New Readers (No Spoilers)
Post by: TheBranded1 on March 30, 2010, 04:27:20 AM


I was by this bookstore over the weekend. They have a manga section there. I bought 5 volumes of GTO for 25 bucks and I saw VAgabond 16 and almost the entire series, for 8 bucks a piece. Vol. 16 was in very good condition and it had no signs of damage. I"ll probably get it next time, just in case.
Title: Re: New Readers (No Spoilers)
Post by: Rhombaad on April 02, 2010, 04:08:12 PM
I finished Vol. 16 last night and promptly ordered Vol. 17 (thankfully, it's available on www.amazon.com (http://www.amazon.com) at the normal price). I really liked the fact that Denshichiro encounters Ittousai and Kojiro on the beach, along with Ueda and three other samurai. It was cool seeing Den before he had "cut anyone" and how Ittousai belittles him. The point system Ittousai established was hilarious, too. Too bad the volume ends on another one of those insane cliffhangers. I can't wait until Vol. 17 arrives. :guts:
Title: Re: New Readers (No Spoilers)
Post by: Griffith on April 02, 2010, 05:26:28 PM
I finished Vol. 16 last night and promptly ordered Vol. 17 (thankfully, it's available on www.amazon.com (http://www.amazon.com) at the normal price).

Hopefully it'll be smooth sailing from here on that front.

I really liked the fact that Denshichiro encounters Ittousai and Kojiro on the beach, along with Ueda and three other samurai. It was cool seeing Den before he had "cut anyone" and how Ittousai belittles him. The point system Ittousai established was hilarious, too. Too bad the volume ends on another one of those insane cliffhangers. I can't wait until Vol. 17 arrives. :guts:

Yeah, great and unexpected connections, just like when he met Takuan (another one of my favorite little scenes). I also like Jisai's image of Kojiro as an innocent child... sure, but only in the way he kills. =)
Title: Re: New Readers (No Spoilers)
Post by: Rhombaad on April 04, 2010, 05:40:37 PM
Hopefully it'll be smooth sailing from here on that front.

No kidding. :schierke:

Yeah, great and unexpected connections, just like when he met Takuan (another one of my favorite little scenes). I also like Jisai's image of Kojiro as an innocent child... sure, but only in the way he kills. =)

Yeah, he's quite giddy when he does it. I feel sorry for that poor guy whose intestines he spilled, too.
Title: Re: New Readers (No Spoilers)
Post by: Griffith on April 04, 2010, 06:54:59 PM
Yeah, he's quite giddy when he does it. I feel sorry for that poor guy whose intestines he spilled, too.

Yeah, even Ittosai seemed struck by his words, which could really be said for any following way that don't make it, "a sad end" indeed.
Title: Re: New Readers (No Spoilers)
Post by: CowTip on April 04, 2010, 09:51:08 PM
Still another 15 days to Vizbig edition #7  :sad:
Title: Re: New Readers (No Spoilers)
Post by: Rhombaad on April 06, 2010, 01:45:23 PM
I finished Vol. 17 last night. The fight between Kojiro and Denshichiro was pretty damn cool. I was a bit shocked when Ittosai stabbed Kojiro in the leg, but as soon as it flashed back to Takuan cutting his arm, it all made sense. Maybe it's just me, but I sometimes find it a bit hard to follow Inoue's action scenes. The perspective seems off at times, which makes it difficult to determine who's moving in what direction. It isn't all that prevalent and is present in only a few panels, but it's something that I find frustrating at times. Maybe it's just me.

On a side note, poor Tenki. I completely missed that he was the one beaten to death in front of Matahachi until the page where Jisai sends him to find Kojiro. Another sad end.
I promptly ordered Vol. 18 this morning. :guts:
Title: Re: New Readers (No Spoilers)
Post by: Griffith on April 06, 2010, 06:10:40 PM
I finished Vol. 17 last night. The fight between Kojiro and Denshichiro was pretty damn cool. I was a bit shocked when Ittosai stabbed Kojiro in the leg, but as soon as it flashed back to Takuan cutting his arm, it all made sense.

Yeah, the way Inoue has to get inside Kojiro's head without words makes this whole section unique and interesting.

Maybe it's just me, but I sometimes find it a bit hard to follow Inoue's action scenes. The perspective seems off at times, which makes it difficult to determine who's moving in what direction. It isn't all that prevalent and is present in only a few panels, but it's something that I find frustrating at times. Maybe it's just me.

I think there have been a few moments here and there where something could be interpreted a few different ways so it wasn't clear, but I'm probably not the best judge because I've re-read these scenes so many times I feel like I know what's happening by muscle memory.

On a side note, poor Tenki. I completely missed that he was the one beaten to death in front of Matahachi until the page where Jisai sends him to find Kojiro. Another sad end.[/spoiler] I promptly ordered Vol. 18 this morning. :guts:

Alright, and yeah, poor Tenki, he didn't deserve it in the first place, but it's worse after seeing him grow up. Also, I now realize I accidentally spoiled that "sad end" line, sorry man. So much for my memory.
Title: Re: New Readers (No Spoilers)
Post by: Rhombaad on April 06, 2010, 08:01:54 PM
Also, I now realize I accidentally spoiled that "sad end" line, sorry man. So much for my memory.

Haha, no worries! I didn't realize until I read the volume that you were even referencing something.
Title: Re: New Readers (No Spoilers)
Post by: BiQ-- on April 14, 2010, 06:23:43 PM
Hi, I thought I'd drop by here too, since I kinda follow this one too... Even if I'm not so much "addicted" to Vagabond as I'm with Berserk. It just so happens that they publish Vagabond in Finland which is kinda nice. Truth to be told, I probably would still be oblivious about Vagabond if that weren't the case...

Weird thing about the Finnish edition is that the print quality is really topnotch, along the paper quality, but the translation is only so-so... unfortunately it's a "2nd-generation" translation from Spanish, (if anyone knows about Ivrea publishing, they are the ones doing it here) which explains a lot. :mozgus: Usually all the manga's that get Finnish editions are just the opposite: ugly-a s-hell print jobs on a toilet paper, but quite competent translations. (only exceptions to this rule that I know of are Yotsuba&, Nausicaa and Battle Angel Alita...) Go figure. Just today I spotted 8th volume at the magazine stands and immediately bought it. They come out like once in 3 months here, hopefully they don't fold the project since I don't believe any other publisher would continue it and they are 8.90 euros a piece which is a bit less than the price Viz volumes fetch around here. And I'm hoping that if Vagabond succeeds here we could have more samurai mangas published... so far manga publishing in Finland seems to center around childish shojo titles...
Title: Re: New Readers (No Spoilers)
Post by: Rhombaad on April 14, 2010, 08:17:49 PM
I'm about 3/4 of the way through Vol. 19, which I purchased the other day along with Vol. 20 while picking up the lastest issues of Young Animal at the Kinokuniya in Seattle. The encounter with Musashi during the aftermath of the Battle of Sekigahara was a pleasant surprise. I'll never look at the first chapter of the series the same way again, haha. I was expecting him to face off with Kojiro when he first showed up, but was glad that they fought on the same side by the time the skirmish was over. I can't wait to see the results of Kojiro's battle with the refugees when I read some more tonight!
Title: Re: New Readers (No Spoilers)
Post by: Griffith on April 15, 2010, 07:47:56 AM
Hey BiQ, thanks for the intel on Vagabond in Finland, sorry to hear about the second hand translations, that's really too bad. I do hope they continue adapting the series there though.

I'm about 3/4 of the way through Vol. 19, which I purchased the other day along with Vol. 20 while picking up the lastest issues of Young Animal at the Kinokuniya in Seattle. The encounter with Musashi during the aftermath of the Battle of Sekigahara was a pleasant surprise. I'll never look at the first chapter of the series the same way again, haha. I was expecting him to face off with Kojiro when he first showed up, but was glad that they fought on the same side by the time the skirmish was over. I can't wait to see the results of Kojiro's battle with the refugees when I read some more tonight!

Nice, you're moving fast, which makes sense since there's definitely some A material in that portion, and really not a lot of room to stop and breath, you just want to jump into the next volume.
Title: Re: New Readers (No Spoilers)
Post by: Rhombaad on April 15, 2010, 04:38:23 PM
Nice, you're moving fast, which makes sense since there's definitely some A material in that portion, and really not a lot of room to stop and breath, you just want to jump into the next volume.

Haha, yeah I'm speeding through these volumes pretty quickly. Volume 20: I just finished the chapter that ends with Ichizo being killed by Kojiro. I'll probably finish Vol. 20 later tonight.
Title: Re: New Readers (No Spoilers)
Post by: Griffith on April 19, 2010, 06:43:37 AM
Haha, yeah I'm speeding through these volumes pretty quickly. Volume 20: I just finished the chapter that ends with Ichizo being killed by Kojiro.

That and the following episode are definitely one of my favorite WOW moments in series, something that was way more effective than the players or situation really called for.

I'll probably finish Vol. 20 later tonight.
So? :serpico:
Title: Re: New Readers (No Spoilers)
Post by: Rhombaad on May 06, 2010, 03:01:52 PM
So? :serpico:

I was a little put off at first when these new characters were introduced, but once they met up with Kojiro it all started to come together. That's what I get for not trusting Inoue, haha. The fight between Kojiro and Koun was pretty epic. It was cool seeing the tsubame gaeshi coming together, as well. I loved how the fight ended, with Kojiro sobbing at the death of his new friend-by-the-sword. It was really moving. I can't wait until I can pick up Vol. 21 and 22 next month.



I just placed my order for volumes 21 and 22. :guts:
Title: Re: New Readers (No Spoilers)
Post by: TheBranded1 on May 06, 2010, 03:35:52 PM
I just placed my order for volumes 21 and 22. :guts:

GREAT! Well after reading Vol. 20 you were so moved by it's ending. YOu are going to make 21 one of your favorites! :serpico:
Title: Re: New Readers (No Spoilers)
Post by: Rhombaad on May 06, 2010, 04:05:03 PM
GREAT! Well after reading Vol. 20 you were so moved by it's ending. YOu are going to make 21 one of your favorites! :serpico:

Sweet, I can't wait! :carcus:
Title: Re: New Readers (No Spoilers)
Post by: Griffith on May 08, 2010, 06:19:25 AM
Two of my favorite volumes, and an excellent pair to get together I might add. :SK:
Title: Re: New Readers (No Spoilers)
Post by: Rhombaad on May 11, 2010, 04:46:13 AM
Two of my favorite volumes, and an excellent pair to get together I might add. :SK:

They arrived in the mail today! :serpico:
Title: Re: New Readers (No Spoilers)
Post by: TheBranded1 on May 11, 2010, 04:47:51 AM
They arrived in the mail today! :serpico:

GREAT!! Just don't drool on it! :badbone:
Title: Re: New Readers (No Spoilers)
Post by: Rhombaad on May 11, 2010, 03:48:38 PM
GREAT!! Just don't drool on it! :badbone:

Haha, I'm doing my best not to. The art is gorgeous, especially the water colors in the first few pages of Vol. 21. I read a few chapters last night and am really digging it so far. Hopefully, I'll get through the rest of the volume tonight, but I'm trying to take my time with it.

EDIT: Volume 21-22: Wow. So far these two volumes are incredible. The fight with Seijuro was shorter than I thought it'd be. It really shows how far Musashi has come in a year. It was one of the more violent fights in the series, too. Between Musashi drooling and Seijuro's body standing with half of his upper torso missing, it was pretty disturbing. I found myself tearing up while Den was training and trying to remember everything that Seijuro had taught him over the years. Don't get me wrong, I love Musashi and was rooting for him the entire time, but the situation is just so tragic. Hopefully, I'll finish Vol. 22 on the bus ride home today.
Title: Re: New Readers (No Spoilers)
Post by: Griffith on May 18, 2010, 07:56:36 AM
Yeah, like I said, two of the best volumes and easily one of my favorite sections. Den's viewing of Seijuro's body and reaction are some of the most moving moments in the entire series. Truly sad, even Musashi is affected.

Let us know what you think upon completing 22.
Title: Re: New Readers (No Spoilers)
Post by: slan69 on May 18, 2010, 08:19:46 AM
Oh man I remember that part of the story, it was truly amazing. Your definitely in for a treat Rhombaad. :guts:
Title: Re: New Readers (No Spoilers)
Post by: Rhombaad on May 18, 2010, 03:45:40 PM
Wow, what a finish. I can't wait to read the next one, but I'll have to wait until next month's paycheck, haha. I knew Matahachi was gonna run into Kojiro eventually. What did he think would happen? I was surprised to see Gion die to quickly. I thought for sure he'd return after some intense training and face Musashi in a fairly long bout, but in the end he was killed pretty quickly. Although, I suppose it's not that suprising since Musashi was able to beat Seijuro.
Title: Re: New Readers (No Spoilers)
Post by: Walter on May 18, 2010, 03:48:46 PM
Wow, what a finish. I can't wait to read the next one, but I'll have to wait until next month's paycheck, haha. I knew Matahachi was gonna run into Kojiro eventually. What did he think would happen? I was surprised to see Gion die to quickly. I thought for sure he'd return after some intense training and face Musashi in a fairly long bout, but in the end he was killed pretty quickly. Although, I suppose it's not that suprising since Musashi was able to beat Seijuro.
Yeah, that's one of the coolest aspects of Musashi's return after training. He already surpassed these others guys long ago, but didn't know it himself until he faced Seijuro.
Title: Re: New Readers (No Spoilers)
Post by: IncantatioN on July 26, 2010, 01:40:54 PM
I got home Saturday evening, and began reading the first volume right after posting about it on the other thread. I got past the volume pretty quick, shaking my head that it couldn't be right, I mean, I've spent more time on other first volumes because everyone tends to explain a lot typically, but it wasn't the case here. Yet, I quickly unwrapped volume 2 and went on to 3 *smirk*. I couldn't wait long enough to order volumes 4, 5, 6 that were missing, and read them online, and stopped my marathon read by 1 am. I was amazed how I was drawn into the series, and it progressed at a good pace, with character development, and intensity. The art is GORGEOUS giving you the impression there were actual paint-brush strokes in it, especially when Miyamoto's fighting someone. I got home last night, and I just couldn't put it down haha! I just got to the point where Kojiro's roots were explained, and he meets Takuan at the beach briefly. I wouldn't have imagined him to be deaf, what a surprise!

With regard to the art, Miyamoto looks a lot scrawnier, gruffier, thinner/ toned, and vicious than what we see in the first volume. I like how he's vulnerable and is defeated or in tight spots from time to time, especially now since he's hunting down some big-wigs. I can't wait to see what happens next, and I realized this wasn't something I could carry with my in the Subway to read because most of the covers are White, and pretty.

What I notice with the single volumes was the minute I turn a few pages, the first page opens up a bit, making the volume more hold-able or readable, especially for bigger 2 page panels. In a way, I'm glad I didn't pick up the VizBig volumes because I would be all the more careful holding/ handling em!

I plan to catch up with what I have on me before I leave for Otakon this Thursday morning, and re-read the series once I'm back.
Title: Re: New Readers (No Spoilers)
Post by: Griffith on July 26, 2010, 06:25:55 PM
Damn, that's one hell of fast turnaround getting into the series. Glad you're enjoying it so much.

The art is GORGEOUS giving you the impression there were actual paint-brush strokes in it, especially when Miyamoto's fighting someone. I got home last night, and I just couldn't put it down haha! I just got to the point where Kojiro's roots were explained, and he meets Takuan at the beach briefly. I wouldn't have imagined him to be deaf, what a surprise!

That's a great little scene, and yeah, the series it's worth its price based on the art alone, and that might not even be the best part.

With regard to the art, Miyamoto looks a lot scrawnier, gruffier, thinner/ toned, and vicious than what we see in the first volume. I like how he's vulnerable and is defeated or in tight spots from time to time, especially now since he's hunting down some big-wigs.

Yeah, where you're at and the next segment with Musashi is probably my favorite part of the series.

What I notice with the single volumes was the minute I turn a few pages, the first page opens up a bit, making the volume more hold-able or readable, especially for bigger 2 page panels. In a way, I'm glad I didn't pick up the VizBig volumes because I would be all the more careful holding/ handling em![/spoiler]

Yeah, I've only handled the VizBig versions in stores, but could imagine reading them in full to be a bit more of a chore at their size.
Title: Re: New Readers (No Spoilers)
Post by: Rhombaad on July 26, 2010, 07:23:47 PM
I should probably chime in since it's been a while. I finished reading Vol. 25 on Friday and, as usual, I can't wait to read the next one. I really enjoyed the fight between Musashi and Den. I thought I would be disappointed, since we already knew the outcome as of Vol. 21, but I enjoyed the new bit where Den grabs Musashi and Miyamoto is forced to use Den's own wakizashi to cut open his stomach.

The aftermath of the battle is what really got me. Between Musashi's brief reunion with Matahachi and the Yoshioka School plotting to use all 70 of its members to kill Musashi, I was fully engrossed. The spiral of death and killing is really starting to wear on Miyamoto and I like how Inoue keeps inching Musashi towards katsujinken and away from satsujinken. He almost made it over that moment and out of Kyoto, but the beast within him couldn't let him leave without fighting the rest of the Yoshioka. I love it.


I'll probably pick the next two volumes up when I get my paycheck next month. Almost there!
Title: Re: New Readers (No Spoilers)
Post by: Griffith on July 27, 2010, 10:25:11 AM
I should probably chime in since it's been a while. I finished reading Vol. 25 on Friday and, as usual, I can't wait to read the next one. I really enjoyed the fight between Musashi and Den. I thought I would be disappointed, since we already knew the outcome as of Vol. 21, but I enjoyed the new bit where Den grabs Musashi and Miyamoto is forced to use Den's own wakizashi to cut open his stomach.

Yeah, I was most impressed with the additional psychological buildup and juxtaposition explaining how they got to what we see in volume 21. The best part is always in their head, even duels.

The aftermath of the battle is what really got me. Between Musashi's brief reunion with Matahachi and the Yoshioka School plotting to use all 70 of its members to kill Musashi, I was fully engrossed. The spiral of death and killing is really starting to wear on Miyamoto and I like how Inoue keeps inching Musashi towards katsujinken and away from satsujinken. He almost made it over that moment and out of Kyoto, but the beast within him couldn't let him leave without fighting the rest of the Yoshioka. I love it.[/spoiler]

Yeah, Musashi's post-duel encounter with Matahatchi inter-cut with his confrontation of the remaining ten swords of the Yoshioka is some powerful stuff, especially where the emotional growth and introspection of Musashi is concerned. Another favorite scene of mine, I think I'm drawn to depressed Musashi, I swear just cause I want to see him climb out of that hole better than ever. =)
Also, digging the vocabulary, we need to start throwing around katsujinken and satsujinken more oftensujinken.:troll:

I'll probably pick the next two volumes up when I get my paycheck next month. Almost there!
Yes, be sure to get them together! :zodd:
Title: Re: New Readers (No Spoilers)
Post by: IncantatioN on August 05, 2010, 02:22:17 PM
Sasaki Kojiro, you're turning out to be a favorite character of mine! I love the way the mangeka shows him in battle, his style looks elegant, free-arm, precise, quick, and just stunning. I had goosebumps when he duels side-by-side with the young Takezo, and there's that scene where they have their backs against each other, and swiftly turn around, notice that they're on the same side and continue fighting - EPIC ... and now I'm at the point in the story where he's up on top of a cliff fighting the guy with the chain and I can't wait to read what happens next.
Title: Re: New Readers (No Spoilers)
Post by: Griffith on August 05, 2010, 10:33:11 PM
Sasaki Kojiro, you're turning out to be a favorite character of mine! I love the way the mangeka shows him in battle, his style looks elegant, free-arm, precise, quick, and just stunning. I had goosebumps when he duels side-by-side with the young Takezo, and there's that scene where they have their backs against each other, and swiftly turn around, notice that they're on the same side and continue fighting - EPIC ... and now I'm at the point in the story where he's up on top of a cliff fighting the guy with the chain and I can't wait to read what happens next.

Yeah, that whole arc would feel like a betrayal if it wasn't so damn good. It's like Inoue was bored so he decided to start over and rebuild Vagabond with an entirely different awesome story. You're close to another one of my favorite little moments, I'll say which after you get there.
Title: Re: New Readers (No Spoilers)
Post by: IncantatioN on August 13, 2010, 04:11:23 PM
Wow, the build up to his next battle with Koun is so good. I love how he starts jumping because he's happy to have found a formidable opponent and learn a new technique in the middle of his fight! He's just full of raw emotion that surprises me when I see him, and makes him so easily likable.

I got my missing volumes, thanks again Griffith! So I swept through Volume 21, and so forth. I expected A bigger, more intense fight between Musashi and Seijuro to be honest. The end was epic though, and poor Denshichiro, a clever ending move by Musashi, which reminds me of Kojiro's clever move to put a small sword wrapped up in his hand against the old guy with the chain (before his fight with Koun). That stroke of genius among fighters with raw instinct, and thirst. The fight with 70 Yoshioka was epic, reminded me of Guts' 100 Man Slayer chapter(s) haha. I notice how all of a sudden we're getting to see a samurai's intent drawn as a monster or wave above him. I mean, we've seen chi-fume like thingsies before but this is new. Maybe it can be seen because the samurai is more aware, like the stage where Musashi is post 70 man battle?

I have a few other things in my mind, but I'll get to it when I re-read the manga. I rushed to the part where Musashi encounters Ito
Title: Re: New Readers (No Spoilers)
Post by: Rhombaad on August 16, 2010, 05:01:19 PM
I picked up Vol. 26 at the Kinokuniya in Seattle this weekend when I went to pick up the two issues of YA that had arrived for me a few weeks ago. They didn't have Vol. 27, which really sucked (even more so when I got to the usual cliffhanger at the end of Vol. 26).

Volume 26: Man, the fight between Musashi and the 70 Yoshioka samurai is really brutal so far. I was really surprised when Musashi seemingly dispatched Ueda by cutting off part of his face (and even more so when Ueda appeared at the end of the volume, alive). These have been some of the most graphic deaths in the series so far, which makes me a little worried about the aftermath and what it will do to Musashi's soul. I enjoyed his little out of body experience and am hopeful there will be more in the future. I can't wait to read the next volume(s), which I'll be able to do after the first paycheck of September lands in my checking account.
Title: Re: New Readers (No Spoilers)
Post by: Griffith on August 17, 2010, 10:57:59 AM
Wow, the build up to his next battle with Koun is so good. I love how he starts jumping because he's happy to have found a formidable opponent and learn a new technique in the middle of his fight! He's just full of raw emotion that surprises me when I see him, and makes him so easily likable.

As promised, my favorite little part from there was just before then, when Ichizo fights Kojiro, and he's so up in his head and Kojiro so focused, as he realizes, that he's literally killed before he knows it. The subsequent flashback and the reaction shot of Shinjiro to his brother's death is one of Inoue's best. Incredible moment.

I got my missing volumes, thanks again Griffith! So I swept through Volume 21, and so forth. I expected A bigger, more intense fight between Musashi and Seijuro to be honest. The end was epic though, and poor Denshichiro, a clever ending move by Musashi, which reminds me of Kojiro's clever move to put a small sword wrapped up in his hand against the old guy with the chain (before his fight with Koun). That stroke of genius among fighters with raw instinct, and thirst. The fight with 70 Yoshioka was epic, reminded me of Guts' 100 Man Slayer chapter(s) haha. I notice how all of a sudden we're getting to see a samurai's intent drawn as a monster or wave above him. I mean, we've seen chi-fume like thingsies before but this is new. Maybe it can be seen because the samurai is more aware, like the stage where Musashi is post 70 man battle?

Glad you got your volumes! The fight with Seijuro is one of my favorites, I read it over weeks and months as it slowly trickled out of Japan episode by episode, so it was plenty big and intense to me, haha. I still love everything building up to and just following it, basically volume 21 and 22. Regarding the 70 man fight, I still remember the excitement when I realized Inoue might show Musashi kill all 70 individually. In that way, it's not like Guts' 100 man fight to me, because we really don't see much of it. As for the wicked looking spirit emanating from Musashi, I'm not sure it's a revelation for him so much as just a new story telling technique being employed by Inoue, similar to the Beast of Shadow in Berserk.

I have a few other things in my mind, but I'll get to it when I re-read the manga. I rushed to the part where Musashi encounters Ito

I feel like I've been waiting years for volume 32 to come out here so I can see the conclusion of that get the Viz treatment. Should be on it's way.

I picked up Vol. 26 at the Kinokuniya in Seattle this weekend when I went to pick up the two issues of YA that had arrived for me a few weeks ago. They didn't have Vol. 27, which really sucked (even more so when I got to the usual cliffhanger at the end of Vol. 26).

Oh man, that sucks, I can't think of two volumes in the series that go together more. Well, on the bright side, you get to experience that suspense and anticipation that these series are built on. :carcus:

Volume 26: Man, the fight between Musashi and the 70 Yoshioka samurai is really brutal so far. I was really surprised when Musashi seemingly dispatched Ueda by cutting off part of his face (and even more so when Ueda appeared at the end of the volume, alive). These have been some of the most graphic deaths in the series so far, which makes me a little worried about the aftermath and what it will do to Musashi's soul. I enjoyed his little out of body experience and am hopeful there will be more in the future. I can't wait to read the next volume(s), which I'll be able to do after the first paycheck of September lands in my checking account.

I'm proud to say I called Ueda's return from the dead (of course, again, it's easy to jump to every conclusion reading it week to week)! Also, great analysis on your part, especially concerning the aftermath. You're already ready for volume 28.
Title: Re: New Readers (No Spoilers)
Post by: Rhombaad on August 17, 2010, 02:15:03 PM
Oh man, that sucks, I can't think of two volumes in the series that go together more. Well, on the bright side, you get to experience that suspense and anticipation that these series are built on. :carcus:

Yeah, I was pretty bummed, but at least I got to read one of the volumes this month. I'm actually kind of glad I can't buy the series all at once. That was one problem with reading Berserk for the first time. There was no anticipation for each new volume until I caught up and had to wait for Vol. 25 all those years ago. I really enjoy being left with a cliffhanger; it makes the anticipation for the next volume so much better!

I'm proud to say I called Ueda's return from the dead (of course, again, it's easy to jump to every conclusion reading it week to week)!

Haha, I guess I'm so used to Inoue killing people off quickly and unexpectedly (but still very tastefully) that I wouldn't have been surprised if that was all Ueda amounted to. After all, Musashi had a relatively easy time with Seijuro and Den.

Also, great analysis on your part, especially concerning the aftermath. You're already ready for volume 28.

Thanks man! I can't wait to get there. :carcus:
Title: Re: New Readers (No Spoilers)
Post by: IncantatioN on August 17, 2010, 03:48:59 PM
I feel like I've been waiting years for volume 32 to come out here so I can see the conclusion of that get the Viz treatment. Should be on it's way.
That scares me! The thought of being current with the series, and waiting months for every 'episode' to come out is just pure torture. Kudos to everyone who've been dealing with it on Berserk and Vagabond! I ordered Volume 32, and pre-ordered Volume 33 this morning. I'll get Volume 32 by the first week of September, which gives me time to breathe with my Akira re-read, and I then plan on re-reading Vagabond so I can finish right when I receive the new volume.

In the last few volumes, I felt like Kojiro's features got a bit gruff, as in, he moved away from being the pretty boy. It's all about his eyes!
Title: Re: New Readers (No Spoilers)
Post by: TheBranded1 on August 17, 2010, 05:25:50 PM


Now that Rhombaad and Incantation will be caught up to the volume releases. You have to be like Griff, Eluvei and I and wait for those raws that are becoming even more rare nowadays. So enjoy this last few volumes, because the cliff gets steeper from there. :guts:
Title: Re: New Readers (No Spoilers)
Post by: IncantatioN on August 17, 2010, 07:55:57 PM
:magni: nyooooooooooooooooooooooooo!!

I actually forgot to ask you guys on here, but I saw a magazine in the local KinoK which had Musashi's picture/ drawing on the right top corner and wondered if it was somewhat similar to Young Animal for Berserk. Could you guys confirm the name of the magazine I should subscribe to?

Also, how does the art compare to the Viz publications? I'm guessing bigger pages (more fun), and maybe additional color pages (?). I wish I knew the actual monthly publications in which the series appears, for instance the current month's YA does not have Berserk, so it's sort of just there for my viewing of hot babes only :ganishka:
Title: Re: New Readers (No Spoilers)
Post by: Eluvei on August 17, 2010, 08:19:56 PM
Vagabond's episodes are released on Weekly Morning: http://morningmanga.com/

There are some sweet covers that Inoue draws for the magazine from time to time, but the color pages of the actual episodes always show up on the volumes. He often adds, removes or alters panels or whole pages when he releases the volumes, even moreso lately.

Oh, and like all great manga artists, Inoue takes irregular breaks, so don't expect Vagabond's prepublication to be released every week. You can check if an episode will be released through the magazine website I linked, or by clicking Griff's signature, which links to Inoue's studio website/blog. It always comes in handy.

Also, this might be of interest to you: CLICK (http://www.skullknight.net/forum/index.php?topic=9971.0)
Title: Re: New Readers (No Spoilers)
Post by: IncantatioN on August 18, 2010, 03:35:50 PM
Thanks for the info! It would be sweet if I could find out which issues of that magazine had Vagabond episodes, and expensive!

I've seen the blue cover art (it looks like it's raining) with Musashi on the cover at KinoK, it's in all Japanese and I think the same size as the Viz edition or appeared smaller, I saw an image online, there's a date of 07/22/2010 if it helps to locate what I'm referring to. Does anyone own own those sort of volumes too?

Title: Re: New Readers (No Spoilers)
Post by: Griffith on August 18, 2010, 06:50:58 PM
or by clicking Griff's signature, which links to Inoue's studio website/blog. It always comes in handy.

Yep, and one doesn't even need to click to know the new eps out, the episode image in my sig is hotlinked directly from Inoue's site, so it automatically updates when they do. Eluvei, Didn't you recently see a new episode was up that way before I even noticed? :ganishka:


Also, funny story, remember how I said I felt like I'd been waiting forever for Vagabond 32? Well, it arrived today, all three copies I ordered! Now, accidentally ordering a value of 3 on Amazon would be a reasonable mistake, but I apparently ordered them all on separate occasions! According to my receipt, I ordered it first on April 16th, then again on July 7th, and finally once more for good measure on the 5th of this month. So, I guess I was more impatient for it than I even realized, or just doing such a good job not thinking about it that I forgot I'd already ordered it a couple times. =)
Title: Re: New Readers (No Spoilers)
Post by: Rhombaad on August 18, 2010, 07:58:12 PM
Also, funny story, remember how I said I felt like I'd been waiting forever for Vagabond 32? Well, it arrived today, all three copies I ordered! Now, accidentally ordering a value of 3 on Amazon would be a reasonable mistake, but I apparently ordered them all on separate occasions! According to my receipt, I ordered it first on April 16th, then again on July 7th, and finally once more for good measure on the 5th of this month. So, I guess I was more impatient for it than I even realized, or just doing such a good job not thinking about it that I forgot I'd already ordered it a couple times. =)

Haha, that's awesome. I've had to double check whether or not I've ordered items from Amazon.com before. It usually says on the item page at the very top if you've ordered it before (it even gives you the date, which is pretty handy).
Title: Re: New Readers (No Spoilers)
Post by: Griffith on August 18, 2010, 08:04:56 PM
Haha, that's awesome. I've had to double check whether or not I've ordered items from Amazon.com before. It usually says on the item page at the very top if you've ordered it before (it even gives you the date, which is pretty handy).

Ah, never noticed that before, I would only check my recent order history, but that info disappears fast. That is handy, thanks.
Title: Re: New Readers (No Spoilers)
Post by: Eluvei on August 18, 2010, 08:24:01 PM
I've seen the blue cover art (it looks like it's raining) with Musashi on the cover at KinoK, it's in all Japanese and I think the same size as the Viz edition or appeared smaller, I saw an image online, there's a date of 07/22/2010 if it helps to locate what I'm referring to.

Yeah, you saw issue 32 of Weekly Morning: here's the cover (http://i38.tinypic.com/16gej5h.jpg)

Yep, and one doesn't even need to click to know the new eps out, the episode image in my sig is hotlinked directly from Inoue's site, so it automatically updates when they do. Eluvei, Didn't you recently see a new episode was up that way before I even noticed? :ganishka:

Hehe yeah man, I was trying to make a decent explanation but I forgot to mention the simplest of things. :casca:

Also, funny story, remember how I said I felt like I'd been waiting forever for Vagabond 32? Well, it arrived today, all three copies I ordered! Now, accidentally ordering a value of 3 on Amazon would be a reasonable mistake, but I apparently ordered them all on separate occasions! According to my receipt, I ordered it first on April 16th, then again on July 7th, and finally once more for good measure on the 5th of this month. So, I guess I was more impatient for it than I even realized, or just doing such a good job not thinking about it that I forgot I'd already ordered it a couple times. =)

You should ask Viz for a refund. They made you wait too much, this isn't your fault! :troll:
Title: Re: New Readers (No Spoilers)
Post by: IncantatioN on August 19, 2010, 04:59:48 AM
Haha that's awesome Griffith. I say hold on to the extra ones, and sell em on Ebay 5 years from now for a bigger amount :beast:. I made a similar mistake last month and realized it when I received 2 Crocodile PVC figures in the mail, I reacted with an immediate-heavy face palm because it cost me close to a 100$ for the second figure, and I still have it. In fact, I didn't get all my Vagabond issues as yet, Amazon hasn't shipped me Volume 9! And I got an email today telling me they pushed back the date for Volume 33 :troll:

Yep, that's the cover Eluvei ^_^
Title: Re: New Readers (No Spoilers)
Post by: Griffith on August 19, 2010, 08:06:04 PM
Nah, I'm gonna return them to amazon. I also got an email about Berserk 34 being delayed until September 30th, ugh.

BTW, read 32 of course, and man, as usual, the Viz translation really brings it to life, and makes sense of lot of heady stuff that wasn't clear from fan translations.
Title: Re: New Readers (No Spoilers)
Post by: Rhombaad on August 20, 2010, 03:21:33 PM
I just placed my order for Vol. 27 of Vagabond (and Vol. 20 of Rurouni Kenshin :troll:). It's amazing how much better Viz is at translating manga than Dark Horse. The glossary of terms in the back really helps a lot and allows them to use actual Japanese in the volume itself. While I'm not too keen on their replacement of the Japanese FX with English versions, they do it very well in Vagabond (not so much in Kenshin, unfortunately). I can't wait for it to get here so I can see how the 70 man fight wraps up!
Title: Re: New Readers (No Spoilers)
Post by: Griffith on August 23, 2010, 07:58:36 PM
I just placed my order for Vol. 27 of Vagabond (and Vol. 20 of Rurouni Kenshin :troll:). It's amazing how much better Viz is at translating manga than Dark Horse.

Yeah, it's especially impressive when you consider the degree of difficulty of some of the ideas being discussed in Vagabond, time and time again the Viz translation finds a way to communicate subtle and sometimes very complex concepts in a simple, intuitive manner. I'll take that and the respect they give the material in exchange for the occasional typo or awkward phrase. On the other end of the spectrum, "Groovy!"

The glossary of terms in the back really helps a lot and allows them to use actual Japanese in the volume itself. While I'm not too keen on their replacement of the Japanese FX with English versions, they do it very well in Vagabond (not so much in Kenshin, unfortunately).

Yeah, it's so good it's actually made me wonder before if Inoue prepares most of the artwork without sound effects so it can be easily localized in whatever language it's published in.

I can't wait for it to get here so I can see how the 70 man fight wraps up!
Let us know what you think when it does. :badbone:
Title: Re: New Readers (No Spoilers)
Post by: Rhombaad on September 20, 2010, 06:08:53 PM
I've now read volumes 27, 28 and 29. Hot damn it's getting good. I'm sort of dreading catching up, but that's the way these things go. The 70 man fight didn't end the way I expected it to. I wasn't counting on Ueda giving Musashi such a life-altering wound, though if I know Mushi, he'll be back on his feet in one way or another in no time.

I hate to admit that I knew that Akemi was going to kill herself. Back when I first started reading Vagabond, I read a few wikipedia articles about the series and accidentally read a spoiler that gave away Akemi's fate (along with the two Yoshioka brothers...ugh...). Suffice to say, I have stopped reading anything about Vagabond besides the manga itself, for fear of spoiling things any further. Now, back to the show.

I really enjoyed getting to see Takuan and Musashi having a good dialogue again. Mushi has come so far, yet it seems every step he takes forward takes him three steps back at the same time. Their talk about being one with the heavens was really uplifting, but my favorite set of lines came when one of the monks asked Takuan to throw Musashi out because he was a villain who killed 70 people. When Takuan turned to him and said in so many words that the reason for Monks to exist is to aid those who truly need saving, not just the good people of the world. That really got to me and is something I wish more people lived their lives by these days.


Anyway, I can't wait to read the remaining volumes and hope to be discussing the current events with all of you as soon as possible. :serpico:
Title: Re: New Readers (No Spoilers)
Post by: TheBranded1 on September 21, 2010, 02:02:47 AM


Pretty good Rhombaad! Getting to the point of regular releases by the weeks. I would say afte these volumes there's plenty of scenes you will like even if they are not action ones. I won't spoil anything, so  when you get to vol. 30 and plus you'll experience them and tells us your thoughts about them.
Title: Re: New Readers (No Spoilers)
Post by: Griffith on September 21, 2010, 05:04:19 PM
I've now read volumes 27, 28 and 29. Hot damn it's getting good. I'm sort of dreading catching up, but that's the way these things go. The 70 man fight didn't end the way I expected it to. I wasn't counting on Ueda giving Musashi such a life-altering wound, though if I know Mushi, he'll be back on his feet in one way or another in no time.

That was definitely an unexpected turn, but that's what I like about Vagabond, it manages to tell a larger than life story but can suddenly turn on something like this, suddenly focusing on how "life gets in the way," even for legends.

I hate to admit that I knew that Akemi was going to kill herself. Back when I first started reading Vagabond, I read a few wikipedia articles about the series and accidentally read a spoiler that gave away Akemi's fate (along with the two Yoshioka brothers...ugh...). Suffice to say, I have stopped reading anything about Vagabond besides the manga itself, for fear of spoiling things any further. Now, back to the show.

That's too bad, kind of takes the shock of that when you're expecting it. It reminds me how reading the novel plays on one's expectations for the series, and the strange sense of similarity and deviation that creates.

I really enjoyed getting to see Takuan and Musashi having a good dialogue again. Mushi has come so far, yet it seems every step he takes forward takes him three steps back at the same time. Their talk about being one with the heavens was really uplifting, but my favorite set of lines came when one of the monks asked Takuan to throw Musashi out because he was a villain who killed 70 people. When Takuan turned to him and said in so many words that the reason for Monks to exist is to aid those who truly need saving, not just the good people of the world. That really got to me and is something I wish more people lived their lives by these days.

Yeah, I like how Inoue sprinkles in those bassic "truths" about daily life among the more profound, enigmatic, and ultimately elusive ideas such as being one with the heavens, infinite, and completely free due to fate... :SK: :void:

Wait, huh? :???:

Anyway, I can't wait to read the remaining volumes and hope to be discussing the current events with all of you as soon as possible. :serpico:

Well, you're not missing anything at the moment, we're still waiting to discuss the next events as well, whenever that may be. I'm looking forward to it myself.
Title: Re: New Readers (No Spoilers)
Post by: Jesterhead on September 27, 2010, 12:33:21 PM
While in Chapters filling in some gaps in my Dark Horse Berserk volumes, I decided to finally pick up some Vagabond! VizBigs 3 in 1 volumes really make this easy and affordable to buy! Can't wait to get home to start reading it!
Title: Re: New Readers (No Spoilers)
Post by: Griffith on September 27, 2010, 06:22:01 PM
While in Chapters filling in some gaps in my Dark Horse Berserk volumes, I decided to finally pick up some Vagabond! VizBigs 3 in 1 volumes really make this easy and affordable to buy! Can't wait to get home to start reading it!
Glad to hear that, let us know what you think! :badbone:
Title: Re: New Readers (No Spoilers)
Post by: Eluvei on September 27, 2010, 07:39:41 PM
Well, you're not missing anything at the moment, we're still waiting to discuss the next events as well, whenever that may be. I'm looking forward to it myself.

I'm sure next year will be eventful for Vagabond. For the first time, I totally believe Inoue when he says he's gonna finish it at the end of 2011... I guess... :casca:

Can't wait to get home to start reading it!

Nice. You won't regret it, it's a hell of a journey. Along with Berserk, it's the only other manga I follow the prepublication.
Title: Re: New Readers (No Spoilers)
Post by: Jesterhead on September 28, 2010, 01:29:55 PM
Glad to hear that, let us know what you think! :badbone:

Well I bought 4 Vizbig books (so 12 volumes), and I read 11 volumes last night!

I'm really enjoying it so far. I instantly connected with Musashi, Matahatchi, and Otsu. I can't wait to catch up! The art work is really quite stunning! 
Title: Re: New Readers (No Spoilers)
Post by: Johnstantine on September 30, 2010, 01:19:50 PM
I have the next four months off, so I'll be delving into this just to get a taste for something new =)
Title: Re: New Readers (No Spoilers)
Post by: Griffith on October 03, 2010, 11:22:10 PM
Happy to have you both aboard! :guts:
Title: Re: New Readers (No Spoilers)
Post by: slan69 on October 12, 2010, 08:59:37 PM
I'm really enjoying it so far. I instantly connected with Musashi, Matahatchi, and Otsu.

Me to. :ganishka: Jokes aside, I am glad to hear that you are enjoying Vagabond.
Title: Re: New Readers (No Spoilers)
Post by: Eluvei on October 12, 2010, 09:15:56 PM
Me to. :ganishka: Jokes aside, I am glad to hear that you are enjoying Vagabond.

I personally don't understand how someone can't connect to Matahachi. I think that everyone connects with at least a few aspects of his personality, even if they don't realize that at first. Like Musashi, he changes a lot in the story, goes through a lot of terrible things, runs away from lots of situations and learns to face many others. I've yet to meet someone that, unlike him, immediately knows how to bravely deal with everything that happens in life without making (or consider making) cowardly decisions first.  :SK:
Title: Re: New Readers (No Spoilers)
Post by: Rhombaad on October 13, 2010, 04:47:00 AM
I finished Vol. 30 the other night. I'm really starting to get weirded out by ghostly Ueda and sloggo (the name Griff gave to Musashi's specter in Gutsfield a year or two ago). I enjoyed the conversation between Koetsu and Takuan about swords and their beauty, as well as Musashi's conversation with the Kyoto shoshidai (whose name I can't remember). As usual, I'm looking forward to the coming volumes and keeping my fingers crossed that Musashi regains his ability to walk/stand. Otherwise, I think Kojiro is going to make short work of him, hehe.
Title: Re: New Readers (No Spoilers)
Post by: aksaC on October 22, 2010, 04:12:22 PM
Read the first chapter last night. Pretty gripping, didn't realize it was based on a real person.
Title: Re: New Readers (No Spoilers)
Post by: Rhombaad on December 30, 2010, 09:05:32 PM
Volume 31: I did not expect to see Musashi facing off against Ittousai anytime soon. What a way to end a volume. I'll be picking up the next two right after I get my paycheck next month. I can't wait to be all caught up so I can read the series from the beginning again.

The Matahachi portion of the volume was handled incredibly well. It's nice to see his character evolving from a lying coward to someone strong enough to admit he's weak. I really enjoyed the flash forward to Matahachi telling villagers about him and Musashi. Especially when they keep demanding he get back to Musashi's story! I feel like that occasionally myself, haha. :ganishka:


Well, I'm all caught up. I wasn't expecting Inoue to stop right in the middle of a developing storyline and am eager to see how things progress with Kojiro and his new position. I have a feeling he's gonna be okay. :ganishka:

I really enjoyed the encounter between Musashi and Ittousai, as well as Ittousai's flashback to losing his thumb and fingers. That moment when Kojiro let out his scream and instantly became calm was pretty incredible. One of my favorite parts so far.
Title: Re: New Readers (No Spoilers)
Post by: Aphasia on March 04, 2011, 10:03:55 PM
Brand new to this series, I have a few volumes a friend gave me, but they're mismatched...like 2 and 11 or something.  I absolutely love the art.  The story and who it's based on always seemed fascinating to me.  I think I'm going to look for vol 1. so I can start this series!  I've only heard good things about it.

PS: I like that when you scroll over the Vagabond emoticons it says Berserk names.  Heehee.
Title: Re: New Readers (No Spoilers)
Post by: Eluvei on March 04, 2011, 11:04:16 PM
This is a very good manga. Along with Berserk, it's the only one I'll follow until it's over.
Title: Re: New Readers (No Spoilers)
Post by: Griffith on March 11, 2011, 08:08:30 PM
Brand new to this series, I have a few volumes a friend gave me, but they're mismatched...like 2 and 11 or something.  I absolutely love the art.  The story and who it's based on always seemed fascinating to me.  I think I'm going to look for vol 1. so I can start this series!  I've only heard good things about it.

You won't regret it, it's transcendent. Let us know when you jump in.

PS: I like that when you scroll over the Vagabond emoticons it says Berserk names.  Heehee.

Yeah, that's a consequence of my little roundabout solution for implementing separate Vagabond emots on this board. :ganishka:
Title: Re: New Readers (No Spoilers)
Post by: voodoo_sh on March 23, 2011, 05:36:54 PM
Totally agree what a great manga! Didnt expect something to be almost as good as Berserk
Title: Re: New Readers (No Spoilers)
Post by: MrSmit on May 11, 2011, 12:25:16 AM
Hello, quite new here. I just started reading Vagabond. I've gone through two volumes so far, and it seems like a good manga. Everyone here says it gets even better as it goes on, so I'm going to stick with it. Besides I need something to hold me over for more Berserk.  :carcus:
Title: Re: New Readers (No Spoilers)
Post by: Rhombaad on May 11, 2011, 12:37:47 PM
Hello, quite new here. I just started reading Vagabond. I've gone through two volumes so far, and it seems like a good manga. Everyone here says it gets even better as it goes on, so I'm going to stick with it. Besides I need something to hold me over for more Berserk.  :carcus:

Welcome to the Inn! I'm glad to hear you're enjoying Vagabond. Feel free to share your thoughts with us as you go along.
Title: Re: New Readers (No Spoilers)
Post by: jackalj on August 09, 2012, 05:10:55 PM
So I just read Vagabond and finished it. I started a lot of times but never finished reading the whole manga.

Now my question is: are the new episodes/chapters released in a Berserk way, or more frequent?

So basically do we have to wait months for even news of a new episode/chapter?

And I really enjoyed Vagabond, not as much as Berserk. But it was an awesome read, especially the fighting scenes.
Title: Re: New Readers (No Spoilers)
Post by: Walter on August 09, 2012, 05:16:33 PM
So I just read Vagabond and finished it. I started a lot of times but never finished reading the whole manga.

Now my question is: are the new episodes/chapters released in a Berserk way, or more frequent?

So basically do we have to wait months for even news of a new episode/chapter?

And I really enjoyed Vagabond, not as much as Berserk. But it was an awesome read, especially the fighting scenes.
Vagabond is serialized in Kodansha's Weekly Morning (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weekly_Morning) magazine, similar to how Berserk is serialized in Hakusensha's Young Animal. Weekly Morning is a weekly, but Inoue is now on a monthly schedule. For years, he would release a chapter a week, then take extended breaks (sometimes for 1-2 years). He's recently returned from a long hiatus.
Title: Re: New Readers (No Spoilers)
Post by: ryOtoha on February 05, 2013, 05:12:57 PM
I recently acquired volumes 1-22.Do you have anything to say before i start reading ?  :guts:
Title: Re: New Readers (No Spoilers)
Post by: Rhombaad on February 05, 2013, 05:53:41 PM
I recently acquired volumes 1-22.Do you have anything to say before i start reading ?  :guts:

Enjoy! :serpico:
Title: Re: New Readers (No Spoilers)
Post by: ryOtoha on February 06, 2013, 02:32:58 PM
Thank you  :serpico:
Title: Re: New Readers (No Spoilers)
Post by: IncantatioN on February 06, 2013, 03:54:26 PM
You're in for a ride, have fun ^_^.

My first reading was quick, sort of like when you're hungry, you eat real fast and forget to breathe. And I've been going back to it repeatedly ever since heh.
Title: Re: New Readers (No Spoilers)
Post by: ryOtoha on February 07, 2013, 01:48:19 PM
Thanks ! I'm gonna read slowly because I don't really have much time these days. I want to read the serie since the first volume have been released in France (March, 24 of 2001) anyway. So I've been very patient :serpico:
Title: Re: New Readers (No Spoilers)
Post by: Walter on February 07, 2013, 02:01:21 PM
Thanks ! I'm gonna read slowly because I don't really have much time these days. I want to read the serie since the first volume have been released in France (March, 24 of 2001) anyway. So I've been very patient :serpico:
That's my recommendation for your first time reading. There are a lot of amazing details to appreciate in this series, and not just in the art. It's a contemplative journey. Blazing through it in a day or two wouldn't do it justice.
Title: Re: New Readers (No Spoilers)
Post by: Griffith on February 07, 2013, 04:01:14 PM
Yeah, take your time, enjoy the journey, and think of it as your own little spiritual journey away from your busy life. I still have fond memories of simultaneously reading the novel Musashi and re-reading the volumes, back when there were only a dozen or so and a new one was so exciting, while living in little room with no electricity that opened up to a sprawling outdoors and a great tree which I fought a duel under with my bokken. If you're wondering how much of that was a metaphor for the adventure of reading it, the answer is none. :slan:
Title: Re: New Readers (No Spoilers)
Post by: ryOtoha on February 08, 2013, 10:45:14 PM
That's my recommendation for your first time reading. There are a lot of amazing details to appreciate in this series, and not just in the art. It's a contemplative journey. Blazing through it in a day or two wouldn't do it justice.

Entendu ! By the way, did you see Hiroshi Inagakiís The Samurai Trilogy (http://www.criterion.com/boxsets/40-the-samurai-trilogy?q=autocomplete) (also inspired by the famous Eiji Yoshikawa's novel) with Toshiro Mifune playing Musashi ?



Yeah, take your time, enjoy the journey, and think of it as your own little spiritual journey away from your busy life. I still have fond memories of simultaneously reading the novel Musashi and re-reading the volumes, back when there were only a dozen or so and a new one was so exciting, while living in little room with no electricity that opened up to a sprawling outdoors and a great tree which I fought a duel under with my bokken. If you're wondering how much of that was a metaphor for the adventure of reading it, the answer is none. :slan:

I was pretty curious to see what kind of advice people could gave me. You nailed it :troll:
Hopefully I'll come back psyched from this journey and discuss with you guys.
Title: Re: New Readers (No Spoilers)
Post by: Mangetsu on April 22, 2014, 10:56:35 PM
soo my first vizbig came today !! ive read it in something like 2and a half hours !! and maan i love it
It is written beautifully and musashi is a awsome character too !! The fight vs the one school was extremely epic  :guts:

I like the Character Takuan really much, until now he is an great Character
It is drawn very well and the colour pages are from another world they look sooo gooooood

i will get my 2nd vizbig in something like 10 days unfortunately  :judo:
Title: Re: New Readers (No Spoilers)
Post by: Hitoshura on May 31, 2014, 06:28:56 AM
I caught up with the Vizbig edition last month and waiting for the 12th Vizbig volume to come out is painful. As nice as the Vizbigs are, I'd wish I had gotten into this series when all the singles were available for purchase at an affordable price. I realize overtime that buying compendium/3-in-1 editions is not a good idea for series that are still on-going. Otherwise, you'll be waiting a longer time for the next volume to come out.

Speaking of singles, Viz has confirmed on their facebook page that they have no plans to reprint any of the early singles for it (https://www.facebook.com/OfficialVIZMedia/posts/10152401066643552), so I'd advise anyone that planned on getting singles to get whatever you can before prices start skyrocketing from 3rd party sellers.
Title: Re: New Readers (No Spoilers)
Post by: Walter on May 31, 2014, 10:24:11 AM
Speaking of singles, Viz has confirmed on their facebook page that they have no plans to reprint any of the early singles for it (https://www.facebook.com/OfficialVIZMedia/posts/10152401066643552), so I'd advise anyone that planned on getting singles to get whatever you can before prices start skyrocketing from 3rd party sellers.

Fuck, that's terrible. Berserk was in the same spot until a few months ago when they reprinted all volumes.
Title: Re: New Readers (No Spoilers)
Post by: MiyamotoPuck on January 30, 2016, 06:49:29 PM
I started Vagabond a few weeks ago, I'm currently reading Volume 15. In my mind Berserk was the best and nothing could reach that level of art and depth, but now I believe that I really prefer Vagabond.
I'm not certain why. Perhaps it's because the story is written in a more philosophical and poetic way. Or perhaps it's only temporary and only because of the wonderment of a new discovery, I had the same feeling when I began to read Berserk. So I don't really know.
But I can tell that each page is really pleasing to the eye (especially those colored) and I love the metaphors made to represent the state of mind of the various protagonists like the insects trapped in the spider web, the mountains, or the sea...

So I wonder, what do you like the most about Vagabond ?
Title: Re: New Readers (No Spoilers)
Post by: Walter on January 30, 2016, 08:09:21 PM
First and foremost, I think Takehiko Inoue is fantastic. I started reading his stuff through Slam Dunk, then migrated to Vagabond ~2000, but it was truly through the Viz releases that I started really appreciating it.

I like Vagabond for its characters primarily. I like how he portrays Musashi not as the perfect sword god that he's been memorialized as, but a talented, troubled youth who regularly takes one step forward and two steps back along the path of enlightenment. The more you dig in, the more there is to see. That being said, I maintain that the series has been in a rut for several years now as Inoue very clearly is struggling with how to wrap things up (he's been trying to for years), and it just doesn't quite have the spark it once did for me. Still, that certainly doesn't diminish what's great about it.

If you haven't already, I'd highly recommend looking into the background of the real Musashi's life and at the least, familiarizing yourself with the novel that it's (at least nominally!) based on. I think that context isn't spoiler territory, but rather it adds meaning to the choices Inoue made in how he portrays the characters in his version of the story -- Musashi and Kojiro in particular are dramatically different from the novel.
Title: Re: New Readers (No Spoilers)
Post by: MiyamotoPuck on January 30, 2016, 09:00:45 PM
I like how he portrays Musashi not as the perfect sword god that he's been memorialized as, but a talented, troubled youth who regularly takes one step forward and two steps back along the path of enlightenment. The more you dig in, the more there is to see.

That's true, it's indeed another element that I appreciate.

That being said, I maintain that the series has been in a rut for several years now as Inoue very clearly is struggling with how to wrap things up (he's been trying to for years), and it just doesn't quite have the spark it once did for me. Still, that certainly doesn't diminish what's great about it.

Damn that's sad, I'll see soon enough I guess.

If you haven't already, I'd highly recommend looking into the background of the real Musashi's life and at the least, familiarizing yourself with the novel that it's (at least nominally!) based on. I think that context isn't spoiler territory, but rather it adds meaning to the choices Inoue made in how he portrays the characters in his version of the story -- Musashi and Kojiro in particular are dramatically different from the novel.

Yes it's planned, thanks for the advice! And I saw that Musashi wrote a book himself, is it worth reading ? The opinions seem favorable.

And thanks for your answer Walter. :)
Title: Re: New Readers (No Spoilers)
Post by: Johnstantine on March 11, 2016, 10:26:14 PM
After years of putting it off, I'm finally going to be starting this.
Title: Re: New Readers (No Spoilers)
Post by: Griffith on August 17, 2016, 05:22:39 PM
After years of putting it off, I'm finally going to be starting this.

How'd that work out for you so far?
Title: Re: New Readers (No Spoilers)
Post by: Pink-Dark-Boy on August 29, 2016, 11:02:31 PM
Recently started reading (and binging) Vagabond and oh boy, this is really quite the series. To get the obvious out the way, the art is eyecandy. I also love how human Musashi feels, the key example is him running away from Ishun & how he learns to overcome his fear by seeing him (Ishun) in his entierty. It's something that I don't see much manga do, and it just makes me root for him even more (even though I know the person he will inevitably become.)

At the moment I am passed the part where Musashi takes down the seventy men, at first I was confused as to why he would do such a thing especially after what Takuan told him in the second volumes (the one where he tells Musashi that all men have families and lives etc.) But I am relieved the quote in question is brought up and I am curious to see how it influences Musashi currently  :ubik:

Another thing was I the only one who was slightly let down that Matahachi was not going to be the Sasaki Kojiro that would battle against Musashi? I feel going that route would have been quite interesting, to see the everyman use his rival as inspiration to rise up the ranks and become a lethal wielder of the Nodachi.
Title: Re: New Readers (No Spoilers)
Post by: IncantatioN on September 12, 2016, 02:59:47 PM
Glad you're enjoying the manga so far! There are a few subtle things going on through the series that grabs you every once in a while and the art is simply gorgeous.

Another thing was I the only one who was slightly let down that Matahachi was not going to be the Sasaki Kojiro that would battle against Musashi? I feel going that route would have been quite interesting, to see the everyman use his rival as inspiration to rise up the ranks and become a lethal wielder of the Nodachi.

I didn't think it would go that way to be honest because it didn't fit Matahachi's nature to push himself to a completely different level of skill and temperament or conviction. It's still good to see his own evolution and you'll see it when you catch up to the late 30's (in volume numbers).
Title: Re: New Readers (No Spoilers)
Post by: Pink-Dark-Boy on September 18, 2016, 01:59:07 AM

I didn't think it would go that way to be honest because it didn't fit Matahachi's nature to push himself to a completely different level of skill and temperament or conviction.

Really? Whilst I was reading through chapter 58 I was pretty much sold on Matahachi becoming Kojiro. It was for a few reasons, Matahachi during that time was in a state of turmoil, in where he had not really made anything out of his life and picking up the name of a skilled swordsman and essentially becoming him would pretty much be the go to on how to make something out of it. I agree Matahachi would not push himself to reach the peak of his own capabilities through the use of training, or anything that requires a lot of determination and resilience to get through for that matter. But the way he swiftly took out Akakabe told me that he would not really need much of it anyways. As he would be using the confidence he gained through his prior duels with Musashi (being the only one to take him on etc) as a way to climb the ranks if that makes sense. The last reason was when Matahachi stated "who else wants to be cut down by Sasaki Kojiro?" that line with the face he pulled still makes me kinda wish it went that route. But alas I cannot really complain with what we have now, it's still good.
 

Title: Re: New Readers (No Spoilers)
Post by: Walter on September 19, 2016, 02:28:15 AM
Matahachi never had it in him to become a great anything. That was evident from the very beginning. I love the guy, but he's not even in the same league of human being as Kojiro and Musashi.