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Movies, TV, Books & Music / Re: Movies you've recently watched
« on: March 01, 2019, 12:33:55 AM »
Just got around to seeing Alita.  Though I don't think he's right for the part, I did really enjoy watching Christoph Waltz play Ido.  It was cute as hell (maybe even...  TOO CUTE).  The sets and the art direction were pretty great.  Perhaps less squalid than it could or should have been.  Ed Skrein surprised me by playing a pretty good Zapan. 

The rest, the changes, the big eyes, Jackie Earle Haley largely wasted under 400 pounds of CGI and uninspired writing, Hugo coming across as an escaped supporting lead from a Bayformers movie, whatever the hell they're doing with Nova..  Eh.  Still, fun to watch and not too frustrating. 

Berserk Miscellaneous / Re: Is there a black and white print of this image?
« on: February 23, 2019, 07:44:03 PM »
yoinked some color out to make this version, if you still need it.  It still doesn't look like inks but it'd probably fit OK into a collage.

Podcast / Re: FloraCast Episode 2: Women's Berserk discussion
« on: August 25, 2018, 02:36:01 PM »
Great posts guys. 

Uniformly Beautiful Lady Captives!  Yes, it's a very old tradition mega-popularized with slasher films in the 80s, the dissonant juxtaposition of intensely horrific things happening to very attractive people.  It's certainly intentional, a shorthanded way to maximize discomfort, though culturally the effect has become pretty diluted in 40+ years of presence in popular media.  You're titillated!  You're horrified!  You're sickened!  But you saw this happen before in ten movies, eight comics and a TV show.  But of course, other people using up a good trope doesn't mean any particular author shouldn't get the chance to do it themselves, and it certainly fits with Berserk's themes and tones.  But why are there no frumpy girls in there with 'em?  Not even one just for variety?  Are we supposed to believe they've only got pretty ones?  Nobody who fought back and got a black eye or a cracked lip?  No, I think it's just tonal streamlining. 

I think that it's an artifact of the culture Berserk is being drawn in.  I've heard it put this way - if you filled up a city street with women who were all seven-out-of-ten attractive or more, the average person would look at that and see nothing unusual at first, and only notice they're *all* attractive if they think about it for a minute.  But if you filled up a city street with seven-out-of-ten men, the average person would look at that and immediately notice it's not an average group of men; that they're all fit and attractive.  I think that's exactly what we see in Berserk.  The baseline normal for men is actual normal; the baseline normal for women is seven out of ten.  Miura could make an effort to make the average woman more average but he does not.  Berserk is not interested in challenging these baselines because they work fine for the kind of story this is: fantasy, dragons, all the young women look good, all the organs are still recognizable when they're flying through the air.  Meticulously location-scouted architecture and culturally inspired monsters add to the fantastic scale of the story in a way that carefully rendered tummy rolls simply don't.  People expect to see ugly male mugs like Zepec's pop up in fantasy comics; it takes no unusual thought to include them or to read them. 

I don't think readers would be thrown by it if Berserk tried to average-up the women more but who would appreciate it?  People who would like to see it but who are only slightly chafed by its absence?  I don't like to see the bodies of women streamlined for the sake of a story's tone, but, eh.  I'm used to it.  As for fanservice, I don't know, I just can't get riled up by it.  Schierke's butt!  So embarrassed!  Ha ha!  It's stupid.  Oh well. 

The relationships and sex in Berserk are similar sacrifices to tone, really.  Nobody gets to be healthy.  All explored hetero relationships are completely fucked up.  (The healthiest one is a soldier and a refugee camp prostitute!)  All visible homosexual relationships are completely coercive.  It would be nice to see at least one visible homosexual relationship or character that was only fucked up and not coercive.  A background smooch, as you say.  A cute punk on a sailing ship.  Anything. 

As for Casca, I think you guys are spot on.  Can't think of anything to add at the moment. 

Creation Station / Re: Kelpie Coloring
« on: August 18, 2018, 01:49:07 PM »
Really nice!  I like your water brushes, the look fits perfectly. 

Creation Station / Re: Casca Coloring
« on: August 03, 2018, 06:34:35 PM »
Aw nice!  Subtle and soft.  Like it a lot.  Good choices. 

New Lost In Space:  Yeah, agree.  I remember being quite fond of the 60s one, especially Doctor Smith.  This Doctor Smith is so relentlessly and non-amusingly irredeemable that it wasn't long before the whole family was just going 'ugh!!' every time the story went back to her.  We actually stopped watching because having her on our TV was such an unpleasant experience, and the rest of the show wasn't nearly good enough to be worth slogging through. 

Current Episodes / Re: Episode 356
« on: April 24, 2018, 05:02:15 PM »
Put me in the camp of post-death body painting for the human war banners. I think there's probably a graphic designer giant in the crew with an exceptionally steady hand.  :ganishka:

Lol, ok, yeah, on reflection it looks like you guys are right.   

Also having fun picturing them doing up the knots on their backs for each other. 

Current Episodes / Re: Episode 356
« on: April 24, 2018, 04:07:25 PM »
Oh yeah, they're snacks!

Boat snack!  :troll:

Quote from: Walter
It looks to me like they skinned humans, put them on a flagpole, and then marked on them with paint as war banners.

I really doubt it.  They look way more like designs the humans would have tattooed or painted to me.  The lines are clean and symmetrical and stuff.   They're not inconsistent with existing human warpaint/tattoo designs.  The giants' style seems to be 'we found this and thought it was neat and repurposed it' rather than 'we made this.'  I suppose it could be Giant art though, the designs would wrap awkwardly if they were on live humans.  Either way I'm left wondering how the humans were killed cleanly enough to skin whole like that.  Must have been captives or something rather than killed in battle.

Current Episodes / Re: Episode 356
« on: April 24, 2018, 03:03:07 PM »
My favorite moment here is the King Giant drinking (looks like a cocktail?) from a bell

That's the bell ringy bit, not an olive on a toothpick!

Quote from: Walter
It's interesting that trolls are scurrying around the feet of the giants.

They've got leashes on as well. 

Quote from: Walter
Well the flag markings certainly beg the question what kind of civilization they have, apart from their obvious focus on warfare.

I assumed the flag markings came with the skins (tattoos) rather than being put on them by the giants.  Though the skinning work itself is pretty fine, compared to the lack of skill involved in wearing an entire bear butt or tying some troll hide around your legs.

Current Episodes / Re: Episode 356
« on: April 24, 2018, 02:30:12 PM »
I was sort of assuming the inhabitants of the previously unseen world would be pretty close to embodiments of the human legends about them - these big nasty things being your archetypal 'behave kid cause there's ravening monsters out there that will get you' beasts.  I forget how the relationship has been described in the past - was it more that they already existed and human legends grew based on them, or that human imagination had a role in creating/shaping them?  In any case there's enough cruelty in the legends to account for what we've seen, but the notion that Ganishka's wave could have tainted them further is interesting. 

One of the things that interests me is what they'd be doing marching way the heck out of their home territory to get in a fight with Falconia.  Did they really just eat themselves out of all of Scandanavia-analog already?  Or is Falconia Famous Among Monsters?

Current Episodes / Re: Episode 356
« on: April 24, 2018, 02:04:55 PM »


These guys have been slayin some big ass beasts n norse analogs up north - looks like cannons n ranged weapons are news to them but if King is smart he's not gonna want to get all his guys exploded out of dedication to the old strategy of show up and smash.  Even if he does like to throw his bell at his own dogs.  The Falconia crew teamed up with the harpies already, if only for a bit - is this a show of force and then a parlay, rather than a 'wipe-em-out'?  Plenty of apostles were never above showing up waving corpse bits around on sticks themselves.


Speculation Nation / Re: Will Casca return to Griffith?
« on: March 28, 2018, 02:21:03 PM »
It's one of the current Unanswered Questions, exactly what is going on with the Boy and/slash Femto.  It's a complete cipher at this point because we haven't been shown any hint of Femto being concerned or distressed over the kid's solo forays.  We haven't even been shown whether he knows, though I can only assume he does.  All we've got so far is him appearing to suss out that he's got some of the kid's feelings (sort of literally inside him/not actually his as such) at the Hill of Swords.  And we know Zodd is interested in keeping tabs on the situation. 

If Casca could be useful as some kind of bargaining chip for Femto to use against the Boy, he already would have nabbed her/kept the option of easily nabbing her (intervening before they left on The Boat).  So Femto either doesn't think having control over Casca is useful to him, or, if she would be useful to him, he hasn't realised it yet.  OR he's just so confident in being able to get her if needed, he hasn't made any moves yet.  (OR he's being really prescient and wants the main crew to accomplish some Tasks before he intervenes.)

I wonder if it's more like, Femto has figured that the Boy cares about Casca and Guts, but figures that trying to get one or both under his thumb would rock the boat rather than reinforce his position. 

I think we've been shown clearly that Femto himself couldn't care less about either of them - on par with how he considers Rickert, they'd be welcome as friends or ignored as enemies proportional to how much of a threat they represented.  Femto isn't really capable anymore of being invested in whether people like him or hate him, beyond how it affects his plans.  So his treatment of Casca and Guts will depend completely on how the Boy would react and what exactly the Boy's status means to him.

One of the interesting questions, to me, is whether Femto can accurately predict the Boy's reactions - does he have an explicit understanding of the Boy, or could he make mistakes in trying to control him?  Does he even want to, or is the Boy the last/only bit of excitement in this new life where he's practically an all powerful god? 

I mean, now that he's got his Incarnation and his Empire and stuff, unless/until some unexpected and powerful opposition shows up, he's turned off Survival Mode and is playing in Build Mode, the challenge is essentially gone - will he get bored with just being able to waltz through all the content?  Is bored a thing he can get anymore?

Speculation Nation / Re: So i have this theory
« on: October 25, 2017, 02:26:24 PM »
The trouble with all the edgiest sacrifice ideas in Berserk is that the closest relationships are between people where one or both have already been sacrificed and so are apparently ineligible.  And the runner-up relationships aren't close enough to have the narrative punch to make it interesting storytelling.  I mean, picture Isidro doing it.  My reaction would be 'huh' rather than 'shock!!'  and that's not what Miura wants at all.  We'd have to build up to something with Rickert or even Sonia or Mule to get a sacrifice worth writing. 

My current favorite prospect for sleeper mystery is what is really wrong with Azan.  But since nothing in Elfhelm is freaked out about him it's not likely to be anything that crazy. 

Creation Station / Re: Lith's colors & tutorials
« on: October 15, 2017, 10:15:37 PM »
Thanks!  It took me forever yeah I kept changing my mind about stuff, and I was only working on it while I was playing D&D.  The big looming guys with hats are my faves I think.  My color sense is still really pretty weak, I started out with everything kinda candy color and just kept remixing it until it didn't hurt my eyes, and then tried to get the Team a little more saturated than the rest.  Then overall color washes/adjustments to make it hang together properly. 

Creation Station / Re: Lith's colors & tutorials
« on: October 05, 2017, 10:11:11 PM »
Thank you Grail!  Cheers Walter. 
Yeah this is done in Photoshop (without any good brushes, which I have to learn to use, lol).

OK!!  Here it is.    GIANT SIZE.


Creation Station / Re: Lith's colors & tutorials
« on: September 10, 2017, 10:09:48 PM »
Yoo guys I have been deep in the grasp of like not doing very many stuff but in the background I've been working on one of the two page spreads forever.  I'm getting close to done so here's a preview. 

Hopefully I'll be back soon with the whole shebang.


Dude nice stuff!  Love your line quality.  Good luck.

Yeah, the machinations here are more like laying a trail of syrup that ants will follow it, than digging a canal that water will flow down it.  The ants don't HAVE to follow a trail of syrup, they just probably will.  The water has to obey physics. 

Now, that does assume there's some qualitative difference between the physics of water flowing and the physics of neurons, the question of free will etc, but for storytelling purposes the difference is there.  At the very least the ant's behaviour is by current technology only statistically predictable where the water's behaviour is completely predictable. 

Hah!  heheheheh.   :carcus:

Creation Station / Re: Natts go at manga colorings...
« on: October 03, 2016, 02:01:05 PM »
Nice!  The armor and the tusks pop nicely.  The red looks good on my main monitor but on my phone it's kinda dark and you start to lose the inks.  I like the color choice tho.

Current Episodes / Re: Episode 347
« on: September 27, 2016, 02:31:01 PM »
Finally got to read this one.  Wow.

The preview sketches:  I'm pretty sure what's on those poles are skins.  The more ghostly images of them are them partly filling with wind or animation so that they're more recognisable.

And it's interesting to see that her psyche has decided that she's symbolically dead.  It looks like the lil tiny her is hiding inside that.  I can't really tell of course but I think you guys are right that the shattered ego is a stylised puppet/doll rather than a sketch that will be finished as a more literal corpse.  If that's the case it could be a layer of her feeling like/deciding (for the protection of her psyche) she was inhabiting her own character, 'faking it' and really being something smaller inside.  So that she could go on, albeit as this only partly 'there' being, because what was broken and is now symbolically dead could be 'fake' and not 'really her'.

Fair enough with the Daka discussion.  You make reasonable points.  Ganishka's hubris sounds right.

As for Schierke's butt:

What would the purpose be, though? To titillate the reader in the midst of a comic scene? It doesn't make sense.

Well, it's not as though comedy + titillation is an unheard of combination, but it's pretty much always silly titillation.  The titty bullet dodge scene from Highschool of the Dead might be fanservice but I don't think it's supposed to actually get anyone hot, despite all the lovingly animated bosom jiggles.  It's supposed to make you laugh.

I might call Schierke's butt fanservice in the sense that I'm sure there are readers out there that went "aah!!  I got to see Schierke's butt!"  but I am definitely of the opinion that it's just supposed to make you laugh at/with the awkwardness of Schierke's situation.  Not least because it's really not a flattering/sexy drawing.  And also because the default non-westernized setting for bathing nudity in Japan is non-sexual.  You wouldn't, for example, mistake the naked girls bathing in Totoro for fanservice. 

It only feels more like that because Schierke herself is embarrassed about landing nekkid on the manliest guy in the room.  Contrast this to all the nudity of Isma, with a very beautiful and graceful body, but she's shown going about her business so it doesn't feel dirty/gratuitous. 

It's Schierke's own feelings you're picking up on here, in short.  I'm sure she would be mortified to hear all of Guts' biggest fans saw her fall buck naked on top of the guy.

Hah!  I'd forgotten about the nipplelessness  :iva:

I should probably walk that back a little, I don't think it's actually sexist, more a style choice, but still does rankle me a smidgen.  And I realise it does sound weird that I'm essentially saying 'well he draws a great variety of body types for naked men and men with clothes on and women with clothes on so why not naked women too!'  Anyway that'd be a discussion for that other thread and I think we already hashed it out pretty well there.  It's not related to Berserk squicking me out, just a tangent to the Daka.

Creation Station / Re: Grail makes doodlies?!
« on: September 08, 2016, 01:45:17 PM »
Wow!!!  super pretty!!   :serpico:

Hmm,  I'd forgotten the Daka start as puppies, so the ones we saw being made wouldn't have been for the upcoming battle anyway.

That's true, the Daka were surely a great troop booster for normal warfare and useful up til that point.  Even if Ganishka didn't need them for the capture of Wyndham.  It still seems weird that he was all excited to pit them against the apostle forces in Wyndham just for them to immediately get wiped.  It's just hard to imagine Ganishka didn't have any idea what to expect with the apostle forces.  And I suppose it would be foolish in war not to put out everything you've got even if you don't think it's gonna do much, and it's not like Ganishka isn't supposed to be gross, but it's still pretty gross. 

For that matter the prisoners bound for Daka production would have been a great opportunity to counter the one actual sexist element of Berserk, All Naked Ladies Are Reasonably Hot.  Because I'm really very sure that the hotness level of the women wouldn't be a factor in their suitability for making Daka, and if that's most of the point of Ganishka's army taking conquered women prisoner it would be highly foolish to only take the cute ones.  Even the trolls had a better excuse for only finding/taking sexy looking women; you could make the argument that practically all the girls in the farming village could be built like that or that the trolls only liked the cute ones (similarly you could argue only the cutest girls would be around/take part in the naked stuff in the heretics' orgy).  But Ganishka's army has been rolling over the entire country, so you'd now have to argue that either there are literally no ladies who are fertile but aren't nicely built or that the army puts them all somewhere you can't see them.  Not that we ever really see many of these doomed women, but the ones we do see have a very narrow range of body types.  The 'little sister' during the rescue is the only one I saw on a casual flip through that would look out of place as a pinup.  (I forgot the apostle bag is way back in vol 27!  dang.)

But really, the Daka fights all gross me out just because we know every single Daka represents an exploded probably raped lady, there are absolutely tons of them, and on top of that they all just get mowed down.  They all look kind of messed up and random, and so many of them just look kind of confused and cute.  I don't even feel like we were ever really supposed to feel that threatened by the Daka (we never really got to see them holding their own in battle but rather just showing up, looking scary in a big mob, and then getting facerolled) but rather that they represented how far off the rails Ganishka was.  Silatt was appropriately grossed out, after all.

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