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Site & Forum News / Re:God Hand Guide Feedback Wanted
« on: September 23, 2003, 09:50:05 AM »
well...................es gibt leute die den ganzen tag nix zu tun haīm

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Manga Mausoleum / Re:What happens to the souls Guts kills?
« on: August 21, 2003, 12:55:51 PM »
i think they will notice that they are dead and fate to other streams,like it is said in the manga.
volume 24 middle pages flora explain the shadow world.

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Shootin' the Breeze / Re:whats your favorite band (come on humor me)
« on: August 15, 2003, 09:06:29 AM »
zanzibár and other artists like this
and i like some daft punk songs

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Speculation Nation / Re:Speculation of Universal Proportions. Ha!
« on: August 14, 2003, 04:18:28 PM »
deatil of the berserk universe.

There's a comparatively shallow stream of the shadow world known as the "rift."
Many ethereal life forms exist there, in forms that match our legends.
The landscape is carved from the ethereal bodies of many things that exist in our world, so it closely resembles the appearance of reality.
So there are many spirits wandering there, their own death unnoticed...
Fixated on memories of this world.
The "rift" is straddled by both the shadow world and reality.
the brands allow to sense the shadow world; because of them you dwell in the "reality" section of the rift.

my questions:

so that must mean that the rift(interstice) lies in the physical world and the shadow world.and that theyīre two parts:the reality section and the shadow section of the rift(interstice).
but where is the reallity section of the rift?
is it in the physical world(and the other section in the shadow world) or does the rift is a stream itself and splitted in two halves of which one is the reality section
and the other one the shadow section?
i mean there is this sentence:There's a comparatively shallow stream of the shadow world known as the "rift."

i have made a diagramm of what i am talking about.it is shit,but you easier understand what i mean
http://www.geocities.com/ostjude
which variant do you think is right?


1.can a normal one(not a branded one or a magican)enter the reality section of the rift?

2.who the hell dwell in the reality section of rift(with the exception of branded ones).?
in the shadow world section of the rift we know live trolls elves and other creatures that match our legends.


and a little theory i made up myself:
IF you are in the reallity and believe in astrals you  
    can see them
IF you are in the astral world and believe in astrals
    you just can preceive the astral things as a sort
    of mirage.

i have came to this theory,because in vol 24 Schierke says that people who are gifted in seeing just could have precieved the house of flora as a sort of mirage(,because it is in the shadow world i think)


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Manga Mausoleum / Re:shadow world
« on: August 11, 2003, 05:46:30 PM »
I think spirits are different than elves, trolls, and the like.  I remember pretty clearly that Farnese could see the spirits even when she couldn't see Puck.  So it's possible that you can see spirits whether you believe in them or not.
i understood it like this:
undeaths are in the same stream.in the stream of the elves and trolls.in my version of berserk is standing that
if the undeaths werenīt able anymore to keep their shadowbody the get off this stream.and because of the word shadow body i think undeaths are stral beings too.

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Isidro must be able to see them, like above, he's mentioned the spirits a few times.
i think he mentioned them because of the albion events.i think there was the only time he had contact with astral beings.i explained you my opinion with the panel-thing.
i think he could not be able to see it.


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That was something that Schierke said ("ordinary people can't do that.")  I'm guessing by ordinary, she means people who have no supernatural power.  No magic, no psychic ability, no brand.  Probably nothing to do with the Vatican's teachings.
where does she say this?do you mean
...
schierke: ordinary people canīt tell the diffrence
...
?

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Manga Mausoleum / Re:shadow world
« on: August 11, 2003, 06:42:00 AM »
People who are branded sort of live in two worlds.  The real, physical world and what most of us call the "Interstice," I think it's the place where the realm of the dead and real world overlap (not sure).  Either way, Guts and Casca stand between worlds.  That's why they attract spirits, because they are living things in a place inhabited by the dead.  As Skull Knight put it, they are like a "torch in the dark" to the spirits there.  Maybe like moths to a flame. ^^;
then the attracting of undeaths would be the only diffrence between a branded one and one who believe in astral beeings(in this case undeaths).the branded one can see them and attracts them,and the one that just believe in astral beings(undeaths) just could see them.
am i right?

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I don't know if anyone feels astral beings as though they were made of flesh.  If a person comes in contact with an astral being with their ethereal body (spirit I guess), that's where the "snot" feeling comes in.  The person feels them as if they were real.  I don't know too much about this part really.

...
Isidro: It’s difficult, in short, it’s a ghost, right?  Not alive right?  Sticky like snivel?  It’s disgusting.

Schierke: Vulgar…  That’s because you come into contact with astral beings with your ethereal body.

A human body that feels ethereal beings strongly will think of them as if it were a real substance. [boldoghīs comment:"so no longer like snivel,but like a real substance"]

It becomes able to see and touch them.


[boldoghīs comment:"in the manga this four sentences that you quotated appear in two panels.if u got the manga in your hand u can see that the first two sentence are in the right panel and the two other together in the left panel.i think that the last sentence refers to the other sentence that is in the (LEFT)panel too and not to the sentence that is in the other/right panel.so i think that u only can see and touch the astral body if it fells like a real substance.so just if u feel it strongly"]



i understood it like this:
IF you feel the astral body strongly enough it feels to
    you like a real body(real substance,flesh body),then
    you can see and touch it.(it becomes able to see and
    touch them)
IF you feel the astral body not strongly enough it feels
    to you like snot and it doesnīt become able to see and
    touch them.

i mean you touch everything with your ethereal body.the ethereal body is a copy of your body.thatīs why in volume 24 isidroīs and serpicoīs wounds could heal(there flesh body got the status of the ethereal body).and my question was virtually that isidro couldnīt see the "ghost"(volume 24,when all of the group were sitting at the table in floras house)
because it felt like snivel.like i said yes or no would be allright to this question.

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Ordinary people aren’t able to do that!
which people do you mean with ordinary?those who believe in the teachings of the vatikan?

thanks a lot for the link


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Manga Mausoleum / Re:shadow world
« on: August 08, 2003, 06:48:12 AM »
Quote from: kimchan link=board=5;threadid=1994;start=0#msg36957 date=1060199398
I mean that it's been said time and time again that astral beings can be seen by those who believe in them and can't be seen by those who don't.
if you include deaths to astral beeings i understand it.



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I don't necessarily think your theory is shit, but it seems more like you're stating the obvious at some points and completely ignoring things that are there at others.  I've tried to explain this to you a whole bunch of times (as well as others) and I've dug up every example I can get without looking through my translations all day.   I seriously doubt I can get through to you because you are too stubborn to listen to anything people tell you.  This is the last time I'm going to reply.

**sorry for the long post**



thanks for your answer it helped a lot(espacially a thank that you quotated some dialogues from the manga!!)i think the point is that i havenīt read volume 25 because it isnīt published in my country.and i have to apologize for my stubborness,i think its my character and english isnīt my mother language,so maybe i havenīt understand sometimes something.


and i have one thing to add about the seeing thing:isnīt it curious that skullknight told guts in volume 13(last pages)
that he is damned to live in a world that a flesh body canīt see even though you can see it if you beleive in?



i have now made me thoughts about another thing
about the structure of the world of berserk it should be as follows:

There's a comparatively shallow stream of the shadow world known as the "rift."
Many ethereal life forms exist there, in forms that match our legends.
The landscape is carved from the ethereal bodies of many things that exist in our world, so it closely resembles the appearance of reality.
So there are many spirits wandering there, their own death unnoticed...
Fixated on memories of this world.
The "rift" is straddled by both the shadow world and reality.
the brands allow to sense the shadow world; because of them you dwell in the "reality" section of the rift.
in the reality : u believe in astrals you can see īem
in the shadow world : u believe in astral u just can  preceive it as a sort of mirage


my questions:
1.can a normal one(not a branded one or a magican)enter the reality section of the rift?

2.who the hell dwell in the reality section of rift(with the exception of branded ones an magicans).?
in the shadow world section of the rift we know live trolls elves and other creatures that match our legends.

3.isidiro says in volume 24 that them ghosts are feeling like snot,that must mean that he felt the astralbody but couldnīt see it,because if u believe in astralbodies you can see īem and they feel like a flesh body and if not(or not powerfully enough) like snot and you canīt see īem.(to this question a simply yes or no would be allright.i know that you wonīt reply anymore what you said but i just want to know if i understood it right or wrong.)



and what do you think about walterīs theory that everyone in guts or cascaīs nearness fall prey to their astral rules?

would be happy if you(kimchan) could me help again

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Manga Mausoleum / Re:shadow world
« on: August 06, 2003, 05:50:07 PM »


If so, this is something that's been said numerous times in the manga so far.  It's pretty common knowledge that if people believe in astral beings, they can see them and if they don't believe in them, they can't see them.

As for the rest, Griffith's rebirth has been mentioned as a sort of "turning point" when all of these changes in the layers of the world began.  

I think maybe you need to read the manga volumes that occur after Griffith's rebirth again, they pretty much explain it all there.


i read the volumes again.and they pretty explain nothing.theres isnīt said anytime something about that trolls have been brought over to the phisical world.
sure the rebirth of griffith is a turning point,but it is never said that he has brought the trolls over.and what do you mean with the expression its pretty common knowledge...?
do you think my theory is good and acceptable or it is shit.but if you think it is junk tell me why(at the best with some events that happend in the book).
OR TELL ME your theory about the stral-seeing.
iīm intressted to here your theory or thoughts to that.

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Shootin' the Breeze / where are you from
« on: August 05, 2003, 05:55:17 PM »
so where are you from?

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Manga Mausoleum / Re:shadow world
« on: August 05, 2003, 05:46:12 PM »
Griffith reapparence is for something about trolls being seeable and 'layers'... I let you finish the sentence, man ! ^^
Guil :P
aha so is it,but it is never told that it is so.it is just a
possibility. think the only one,but it is never said.

You've been given the answer to your questions at least two or three times over.  
i said something to these answers

Griffith's reapperance is causing the different layers of the world to merge.  Things like trolls, which normally stay in the Qliphoth (sort of the dark part of the realm of the dead) are now appearing in the physical world.  They've been rendered into physical beings, which allows them to bleed (don't know why you're so stuck on that anyway).

iīm stucked on this,other ones on something else.
ok that is why they are bleeding but if griffith would not have been reappered,then it should be like i said in my last posted theory shouldnīt it?please tell me your opinion

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Site & Forum News / Re:Chatroom?
« on: August 05, 2003, 05:33:36 PM »
If your going to ask that, start up a new thread.

- Bob

yes mom

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Manga Mausoleum / Re:shadow world
« on: August 04, 2003, 05:38:04 PM »
Read the manga again *advises vol20+*
Guil
i havenīt found it and i really searched for it.[/sup]

so
in which volume is told that trolls have been brought over to the physical world ???  or from where do you know that ???(i wonder where this was told)?

and from where do you got the expresion Qliphoth? ???


if you are right that trolls have been brought over,then it is an exceptional case that their are bleeding right?



and i got a new theory about the "astral-seeing"
the matter with the astral-seeing is as follows:
if you belive in astral beings(for example in fairy tails)you can feel them.if you intensivly feel an astral body,it feels like a flesh body,then it is as if you could see and touch it.


IN FAKT:
IF you believe in astral-beeing you can seethem  
    (volume 1 puck can be seen by the koka gang.guts or  
    casca have not to be present)
IF  you donīt belive in astral beings,but in the
    teachings  of the vatikan,you canīt see them.
    Then you just can see them if guts or casca
    (then the astral rules for them go for you too) are in
    your nearness and you intensivly feel the astral body
    (for example if the astral body touches you).

SO IF you would believe in every astral being no matter what it look like,you could see it.

i think most of the people,who believe in astral beings just believe in the mythical creatures from fairy tails like trolls or elves,so they just can see these creatures.but if a branded one is in their nearness,they can see the other astral beings(undeaths),that hunt the branded ones without being touched by them too,because they donīt live in a solid world(they donīt believe in teachings of the vatikan).That is why in volume one,as guts as been given a lift by some travellers the young girl could see the inkibus without being touched by it

sorry for the many if-clauses.
please tell me what youīre thinking about this theory.
and with astral being i mean all creatures that live in the shadow world and have an astral body (like elves,inkibuses,undeaths and trolls[i know what you said about trolls that they have been brought over to physical world,but please excuse me that i donīt believe it since i read it.!please donīt resent!  :-\]


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Site & Forum News / Re:Chatroom?
« on: August 04, 2003, 08:54:44 AM »

I'm afraid we can't meet every hour all over the world.
So I pick three main continents, America, Europe and Asia where most of our members live.



who of you does come from europe and from where exactly(country)?

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Manga Mausoleum / Re:shadow world
« on: August 04, 2003, 07:26:29 AM »
.But Trolls, like I said, were brought over to the Physical World.


in which volume is told that trolls have been brought over to the physical world  ???or from where do you know that(i wonder where this was told)? ???
and from where do you got the expression Qliphoth?




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Manga Mausoleum / Re:shadow world
« on: August 02, 2003, 10:16:37 AM »

Your phrasing "if you believe in ghosts" is WAY too simple.  Puck and Evarella's little dialogue in volume 24 exemplifies why it's not as simple as "Cogito Ergo Sum" (I think therefore I am).  But since it seems you're asking only about GHOSTS and not ALL astral beings, the answer to your final question is simply: yes.  

ok if u believe in ghosts is too simple,but it is basis to see one.the matter is as follows:if u donīt believe in the teachings of the vatikan and u believe in the fary tails
you are able to feel intensivly such an astral body for example of an elve.then it is as if u could see and touch the astral body and the astral body fells like and real flesh body.
and in generally
i meant all astral beings with that.
i think that ghosts are astral beings.both astral beings and ghosts gain hold an astral body.so for both are the same rules.






However, ghosts won't bother normal humans. At least, not normally.  Guts and Casca are highlighted on the Astral map so all ghosts are drawn to them.  Humans are a dime a dozen, so to speak, but humans surrounding Guts fall prey to the same Astral laws as Guts, as proven in volume 17 by Farnese.


could(!) be ,because farnese didnīt noticed the ghosts first.just then when one ghosts has touched her face.and that is going to the theory in volume 24 that if you feel intenstivily an astral being then it is as if you could see and touch it(and i think that that astral body which toched Farnese has felt like an flesh body otherwise she couldnīt saw it).




The short answer: Ghosts ("deaths") aren't in the same world as Trolls.

The long answer:  Thanks to Griffith fucking up the balance between worlds, the old rules that seperated them are starting to become void.  Now, a normal human can see a monster such as a Troll.  Normally, they would only exist in a dream state such  as the Qliphoth ('shadow world' region of the Insterstice/Hazama).   hey were originally strictly astral beings, but have been brought into the real world, and given the properties of living tissue (rather, the limitations of the Physical World).  Now, Trolls bleed, and smell, according to Isidro.  

ghosts are in the same world as trolls.
in the stream were elves and trolls are also the undeaths are wandering around.
it is said that if the undeaths arenīt able anymore to keep their astral body or if they notice that their are death the get off this stream.
a troll has an astral body too.just like the undeath.


i got a theory
trolls and undeaths are in the same stream and both gain hold of an astral body but they are two different types of "monsters" the trolls are damage monsters which can beat you and the undeaths are monsters which can morph into your body thats why the trolls are bleeding and the undeaths not.
what do you think about that?




would be happy for answer



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Manga Mausoleum / shadow world
« on: August 02, 2003, 07:40:55 AM »
hi guys
i got some questions about volume 24
espacially about the shadow world.

1.if you believe in ghosts it is like if you could see
and touch them,they fell like a real body.but if you not believe they fell like snot if you get in touch with them and you canīt see them.what about the deaths that hunt guts and casca for their flesh(in volume 13 last pages you see them the first time)?
can you see them if you believe in ghosts?

2.and it was said that they would feel like a real body but as guts was slashing one of those ghosts in volume 13 he said that it would be like he slashes into water.
and in volume 24 at the and one of the village inhabitans hits a troll and the troll was bleeding.so
why the deaths arenīt bleeding buthe troll do?they both gain hold of an ethereal body.


would be nice if somebody would help me
















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