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Shootin' the Breeze / Re:six general anime questions...
« on: December 23, 2002, 04:15:53 PM »
Yes, PORCO ROSSO is as good as the guy said! :)

It helps to like flying, planes, and have a certain nostalgia for the style of old Hollywood movies.

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Shootin' the Breeze / Re:"Versus"
« on: December 23, 2002, 04:10:00 PM »
Well, I'm glad I came back to this board. :)

Anyways, go see VERSUS. Its main focus is mindless action, but it does have a semi-intriguing Japanese-undead mythology thing going on, and the fight choreography is top-notch. Zero character development and few production values, but this movie is all about stylized fighting and you get that in spades.

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Shootin' the Breeze / Re:spirited away
« on: October 17, 2002, 11:10:55 AM »
Saw this in the theaters here in New York. Watch it! A fantasy for both kids and adults.

Still not my favorite Miyazaki (that's PORCO ROSSO/NAUSICAA, followed by PRINCESS MONONOKE), but it was a great mix of both the epic fantasy of CASTLE IN THE SKY or MONONOKE and the close personal story of PORCO ROSSO or KIKI'S DELIVERY SERVICE. Great Ghibli stuff!

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Current Episodes / Re: Episode 193
« on: January 19, 2002, 03:56:24 AM »
LOL Griffith!!

As for what country the Kushans are based on ... obviously Arab and Indian, but I'd also argue Ottoman Turk. The Turks used heavy infantry quite extensively and armored them, so the Kushan infantry look a lot like Turkish Janissaries. Funny, though, the Bakiraka, though I think they're probably intended to look like the Syrian Assassin sect of Crusading times, use Gurkha kukri knives from Nepal! There goes Miura mixing up the history again ... though it's one of the things that makes BERSERK fun.

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Berserk Miscellaneous / Re: Stuff that reminds you of BERSERK
« on: January 16, 2002, 08:09:31 AM »
A substitute history teacher actually showed parts of FLESH AND BLOOD to us when I was in like 7th grade to illustrate the grittiness of medieval life ... that didn't go over too well in our classroom, you could say we weren't too interested in medieval history back then. We only perked up (well, the boys at least) when the tape accidentally showed us some female nudity :) ...

How could I forget? Greek mythology and especially THE ODYSSEY is a spectacular BERSERK-like work. Just the pure savagery and brutality of the times, and a hero who epitomizes all the good and bad things that come with those times, reminds me of BERSERK. Also, it's one of the great classics of world literature, and still damn readable today.

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Berserk Miscellaneous / Re: Stuff that reminds you of BERSERK
« on: January 15, 2002, 06:17:08 PM »
Thanks, Chinmi ... I didn't think ANYONE would recognize THE BLADE! What a film ...

But I would really recommend the SONG OF ICE AND FIRE books. I think pretty much anyone who likes BERSERK will like them ... they're excellent.

One more book recommendation: a history book by Barbara Tuchman called A DISTANT MIRROR. it's about France during the Hundred Years' War and the Black Death, but ranges all over Europe. Reading it, one realizes that Miura took a LOT of inspiration from the Hundred Years' War time period. The savagery of the nobles and their warfare, the prominence of the mercenary companies, the orgy-having cults, the corrupt and brutal Church ... it's all here and so well written that one can't stop turning the page. It's as good as any fiction story.

The parallels with Midland and Chuda's 100 year war is obvious, with Midland playing France and the aggressor Chuda as England. The plague attacking Midland stands in for the Black Death. One can even recognize Doldrey Castle as a stand-in for Calais, the port from which England invaded France for the aforementioned 100 years. The Ottoman Turks, who appear at the book's end at the Battle of Nicaea, likely provided inspiration for the Kushan invaders.

Most notably, there's also an intriguing figure, a mercenary captain named John Hawkwood, briefly detailed in the book. Hawkwood was the premier mercenary of his day, selling his services all over Europe, especially in pre-Renaissance Italy. He called his mercenary band the White Company, who fought in burnished white armor. With such a nice Griffith-ish name, it's no surprise to learn that he participated in many of the most ruthless and brutal massacres of his day (and reading the book, you find out that there were MANY ... in fact you might even call massacring civilians the chief occupation of warfare back then). He was so successful that he eventually was made Captain-General of the powerful city-state of Florence and there is still has a statue of him there to this day. He also inspired the old saying that "an Italianized Englishman is the Devil Incarnate."

Hawkwood ... White Company ... successful Dark Age mercenary ... I have to think that Miura at least pulled a ghost of an idea from this guy.

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Berserk Miscellaneous / Stuff that reminds you of BERSERK
« on: January 15, 2002, 02:23:48 PM »
The two great strengths of BERSERK for me are: 1) Just great, great characters. Guts, Casca, Griffith headline of course, but you also have Judeau, Puck, Pippin, Corkus, Zodd, Skull Knight, the mysterious God Hand (as much as Miura owes Clive Barker a check for them) ... 2) the brutal reality of its material, demons notwithstanding ... the main characters seem so real, the harshness and cruelty of the world reflect that of the Middle Ages.

My question would be for all: what media out there (film, TV, books, manga/comics, computer games) reminds you of BERSERK? Can anything match up to it?

For films, stuff that comes to mind are BRAVEHEART for its tremendous battle scenes (though not for much else); GLADIATOR for its superb hero & villain, and the brutality of its fight scenes; a Hong Kong film called BULLET IN THE HEAD for its pure intensity; another HK film called FULL CONTACT for the grittiness and savagery of the fight sequences, and also sexual tension between hero and villain; another HK wuxia film called THE BLADE, for the pure darkness of its world and the wild emotional desperation of its battles. Of all these, THE BLADE is my favorite ... definitely one to check out for any BERSERK fan. It's available on VHS and VCD in any Chinatown, and also from www.taiseng.com.

Books: the classic Chinese novel OUTLAWS OF THE MARSH (SHUI HU ZHAN) or WATER MARGIN, for its dark and unforgiving view of the world and the violence of its heroes. The books that made think up this thread, however, are the SONG OF ICE AND FIRE series by George R.R. Martin: A GAME OF THRONES, A CLASH OF KINGS, and A STORM OF SWORDS. Because they're a series, they can hope to give as much time to their characters and storyline as BERSERK can. They're set in a fantasy medieval world and just like BERSERK, they have hulking brutes who swing outsized swords, incest of all kinds, brutal torture, major characters getting vital body parts sliced off and/or killed, betrayal by the boatload, moral ambiguities all over the place, underage sex ... most importantly, they also have both the great characterizations and tough, unbending realness that makes BERSERK special. These are available at any bookstore around or @ amazon.com.

Anyone else read these, or have any suggestions?

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Berserk Miscellaneous / Re: forgiveness
« on: January 20, 2002, 04:10:26 PM »
For what?

Defeating him?

It seems pretty weak of Griffith to blame Guts for his fall. Guts didn't force him at swordpoint to seduce Charlotte and forget his dream. If Griffith was THAT strong, he'd go over and plant a big ol' kiss on Guts' lips and said, "Don't leave!"

At which point we would all put down the manga/anime and run away screaming.

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Character Cove / Re: Guts = Griffith = Guts = Griffith etc. etc.
« on: December 28, 2001, 05:42:00 AM »
My take is that Griffith is WORSE than Guts, most definitely. One could argue about Guts being self-absorbed throughout most of the anime series (I haven't read the manga beyond what I can scrape up on the Web, and I don't read Japanese), but by the end he has found his "dream" ... that is the Band of the Hawk and his love for Casca. At the end he is fighting for his friends, Griffith among them, and his love. He grows and matures, and finds his purpose. I would argue that fighting for one's friends and lover is MUCH better than fighting for one's own hubristic dream.

Of course, leaving Casca is very bad. Like Griffith, Guts is horribly scarred (Griffith by torture, Guts by the Eclipse), and goes out to seek revenge. But he didn't exactly just ditch Casca alone in the world; he left her with a caring, responsible adult who is raiisng a child and with one of his own comrades, Rickert. Also, Guts is not slaughtering innocents or his own friends. He is killing those who actively sought his own destruction, who murdered his friends and drove his lover insane. I don't see a heckuva lot wrong with this. While he seems to be going more insanely brutal over time, he still holds the moral high ground, and not just because we see the story through his eyes.

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Character Cove / Re: Treatment of Casca in the manga **SPOILERS**
« on: January 16, 2002, 06:31:25 PM »
Just to quote from an earlier post:

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I know folks will say that you CAN'T take it out of context or replace the characters, but I'm just making the point I think that he drew it in that particular style for several reasons, some of which (I believe) did not have to do with emotional impact or even shock value, but rather to appeal to the hentai-rape folks. Nonetheless, as I said above, I am glad that many people on here did NOT get that message and are taking what I believe is the correct emotional stance on it, which hints to me that Miura didn't have purely hentai intentions there and managed to communicate his point to a large number of people. But as I said before, I'm not convinced that was his ONLY purpose in drawing that scene that way. And that's just my opinion.

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Character Cove / Re: Treatment of Casca in the manga **SPOILERS**
« on: January 16, 2002, 03:42:27 PM »
Oh okay ... sorry.  ;D

At any rate, on this point we disagree. I don't think that Miura drew the rape scene with ONLY this in mind, at least not anymore. But I don't think that was far from his mind. Compare this scene with your typical anime hentai rape-porn, or indeed with any xxx porn flick. It's tough to see much of a difference, at least in my opinion. *shrug*

At this point, we're into mind-reading, which is pretty much impossible. Just from the evidence before me, that's my opinion, which anyone's free to disagree with.

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Character Cove / Re: Treatment of Casca in the manga **SPOILERS**
« on: January 16, 2002, 02:40:15 PM »
** holds head **

I know it takes a LOT of time with my posts ... but please read them!  ;D

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Character Cove / Re: Treatment of Casca in the manga **SPOILERS**
« on: January 16, 2002, 01:11:42 PM »
Puella, you're so right. Which is kind of why I had the initial heated reaction I did --- that Miura would depict such an important and emotionally wrenching scene the way he did. I'm still of the opinion that if you took that scene totally out of context, or drew it exactly out except with different peoples' heads on the characters' bodies, it would fit right into a scene of OVERFIEND or LA BLUE GIRL. That is, it was drawn in at least SOMETHING of the style of hentai, with at least some of the intentions.

I know folks will say that you CAN'T take it out of context or replace the characters, but I'm just making the point I think that he drew it in that particular style for several reasons, some of which (I believe) did not have to do with emotional impact or even shock value, but rather to appeal to the hentai-rape folks. Nonetheless, as I said above, I am glad that many people on here did NOT get that message and are taking what I believe is the correct emotional stance on it, which hints to me that Miura didn't have purely hentai intentions there and managed to communicate his point to a large number of people. But as I said before, I'm not convinced that was his ONLY purpose in drawing that scene that way. And that's just my opinion.

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Character Cove / Re: Treatment of Casca in the manga **SPOILERS**
« on: January 16, 2002, 07:54:21 AM »
I'm kind of relieved to see that there ARE so many people out there, especially the thoughtful BERSERK fans whose posts I've read on this board many a time, who do disagree with me. It shows me that Miura's drawings could be interpreted by a lot of smart folks in a way totally opposite to what I thought he was trying to get across, which reinforces the idea that Miura wasn't playing only for the hentai tentacle-rape crowd in this scene.

However, I still have my opinion. At least in my mind, the discussion's gotten to the level where it's been discussed about as far as it can be --- it comes down to whether you think the shock value of the Femto rape scene overwhelms the prurience of it totally or only partially. I'm of the second opinion.

As I said before, I won't stop supporting BERSERK. I'll wait for the Region 1 DVDs of the anime series to come out, and I'll be purchasing them, and the manga series as well (minus the book that has the Femto rape scene). It's still one of the best stories I've ever seen and I'll be waiting eagerly for the rest of the series. But if Miura does have another traumatic rape scene (and somehow I think he will) ... I hope he has some second thoughts about how to portray it. I don't think he will, of course, that's his artistic and/or commercial choice, but that's just my 2 cents.

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Character Cove / Re: Treatment of Casca in the manga **SPOILERS**
« on: January 15, 2002, 07:55:10 PM »
Ack! Griffith, that first quote of Puella's was mine!

Anyway, with regards to that one, I was using "humiliation" to point out that Miura was once again humiliating Casca with a brutal sexual assault. Yes, I know, it's all in the world and the time period, but it gets annoyingly repetitive sometimes.

With regards to Casca fighting ... well, Guts fights like hell. Doesn't go nowhere, but he does it. He fights Donovan when HE'S being raped, for instance. Casca merely submits with nary a whimper in the Femto scene and also the Wild scene. I enjoyed the heck out of the moment where she stabbed the Chudan mercenary in the eye, and I hear there is a further scene in one of the later manga where she reverts to warrior-Casca for a moment and kills some more would-be rapists. No problem with that, I like rapists getting what they deserve. However, this contrasts with her spellbound behavior before Wild and Femto. This just makes the hentai aspects stick out more for me ... fighting one minute, then submitting glazed-eyed the next. You could argue emotional overload, stress, shock of the supernatural, etc. ... I don't buy it. At the very least, like Puella said, you could get a "No!"

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But if she had fought, or screamed in agony, or even bled all over the place (I do NOT think she was at all aroused or ready for what Femto did), this would amplified the fact that this is something horrible and the ONLY proper response is horror. Granted some folks would probably be even more turned on by this, but it would have made the distinction between the typical exploitation-hentai rape scene and the horror of Griffith's betrayal that much more clear ... at least in my mind, and I think to the vast majority of people.  


I'm with you, though. Casca FOREVER!!!!!!!! Now I just wish Miura would give our girl some more damn dignity.

Wow, I just realized I am turning into the King of the Long-Winded Post. Promise to cut down in the future  ;D

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Character Cove / Re: Treatment of Casca in the manga **SPOILERS**
« on: January 15, 2002, 05:54:51 PM »
Thanks Griffith & Puella for not jumping on me.  ;D

Griffith, I didn't mean to suggest that anything a pervert could get off on is pornographic, or even that pornography is bad in the right context. Reading back, you're right that it does look that I am. Hell, I've watched hentai, regular porn ... any male with a normal hormone level growing up in an open Western society probably has. And I certainly didn't mean to compare the films I cited with porn ... I was trying to give an example of how scenes in those films depicting sexual aggression had been played, and how it would have seriously degraded those films if they had been played as Miura drew Casca's rape. Yes, they would have added intensity and a certain edge to jam into the audience's brain. I just think they would have lost more.

My basic problem is with someone presenting rape AS pornography, that is something intended to arouse people. A lot of hentai is unfortunately doing just this, OVERFIEND being the most well-known example. Rape should not be something people get sexually aroused by; I think we can all agree on this. I realize that I'm drawing a pretty fine line here, trying to read Miura's mind ... but I think that Miura was drawing that particular scene in a fashion that is VERY similar to what one would see in the "rape" hentai genre; the same with Wild's attempted rape of Casca. Part of my anger was that such a fine piece of work like BERSERK would sink to such a level. I certainly wouldn't have had the gut reaction I did if I didn't think of Casca as a well thought out, complex, and "real" character. Again, I'll go back to the rape of Guts by Donovan. I was plenty horrified by this. I don't think I would have been more horrified if we had seen Guts drawn as Casca was, for page after page, sexual position after sexual position.

Puella makes a very good point in that we never really see Casca actively fighting the rape ... this is NOT to say that she welcomed it at all, or Miura meant to say that she liked it, or whatever. But if she had fought, or screamed in agony, or even bled all over the place (I do NOT think she was at all aroused or ready for what Femto did), this would amplified the fact that this is something horrible and the ONLY proper response is horror. Granted some folks would probably be even more turned on by this, but it would have made the distinction between the typical exploitation-hentai rape scene and the horror of Griffith's betrayal that much more clear ... at least in my mind, and I think to the vast majority of people.


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Character Cove / Re: Treatment of Casca in the manga **SPOILERS**
« on: January 15, 2002, 11:22:41 AM »
*sigh*

Well, I'll respond to what people have said. I think some folks are somewhat misunderstanding what I'm trying to say.

Kenoh-sama ... I'm not sure what you're saying ... is it that there's a debatable line between art and pornography?

Faust said:
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Berserk provides us with a realistic and graphic description of a world that has a prevailing sense of anarchy to it.  A high frequency of brutal rape and violence is simply part of that reality.


I've already said:
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I don't even have a major problem seeing Casca naked and in danger of being raped in her current state, because that was the world back then and now and when someone's trying to rape you, your clothes are probably going to get ripped


And:

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Again, I don't have an issue with explicit depictions of sex, violence, etc. That's part of the world the characters live in. What I do have an issue with is exploitative depictions of sexual violence. Like I've said, you can be explicit without being exploitative.


If the scene didn't turn your switch, then great, I'm definitely with you. My problem is that it was, in my opinion, drawn with at least SOME pornographic intent and was openly appealing to those folks out there who enjoy and/or get off reading that kind of crap. If you think that the rape scene with Casca is not pornographic or intended that way at all, well, I guess we agree to disagree. I don't think that Miura drew it with ONLY perverted intentions on his mind ... yes, the rape is meant to be a horrifying violation as well. I've said that before. But I think that the sales boost gained by showing plenty of rape and nudity wasn't far from either his mind or the publisher's. Given the prevalence of similar scenarios in many anime, I'd have to say that, sadly, there is a market for this crud (witness the success of LEGEND OF THE OVERFIEND and LA BLUE GIRL in both Japan and the West). In case anyone was offended by what I said, I don't mean to imply that by reading BERSERK avidly, you are this kind of person. Hell, I follow BERSERK avidly as well. Walter made the point that he follows BERSERK because its complex and well thought out ... I think the majority of people on this board do so and myself as well. That's why I'm posting here, as opposed to the many other boards out there with a younger population.

What I'm saying is that there's a line between explicitness, intended to make a forceful, graphic point and/or to drive home emotional pain (or whatever, depending on the scene) and exploitation, which displays gratuitous nudity/violence/rape/sex for the purpose of gratifying and making money off of those people who enjoy seeing specifically those kinds of things (and not just of women). It's my opinion that Miura crossed that line in Casca's rape scene. If you disagree with me, that's your opinion ... but that's mine. As evidence, I'd offer again Guts' rape by Donovan, which as I mentioned above, is portrayed very differently. I would say that is explicit ... but the Casca rape crosses into the exploitative.

I mean, take a very explicit movie that explores complex themes in a brutal world, like say APOCALYPSE NOW REDUX or SCHINDLER'S LIST. What if in the first film, we saw not only Martin Sheen bartering fuel for the services of the Playboy Bunnies, but graphic depictions of the GIs using them against their will? Not just for a few frames, but in hardcore detail, focusing on the women's bodies, moved to different sexual positions by their rapists, not just for a few frames but for several minutes? Or a scene where Ralph Fiennes' Nazi camp commandant forces himself on his Jewish maid, that again is horribly graphic, focuses on the maid's body as he moves her to several different positions, going on for several minutes? This would hammer home the grotesque brutality of the rapes, yes. It would also be, in my opinion, unnecessary to communicate the needed point and make both films worse.

Giving another example, I'd say that that the gruesome and stomach-churning film HENRY: PORTRAIT OF A SERIAL KILLER is explicit, while stuff like FRIDAY THE 13TH is exploitative (but also funny as hell ... I don't think that FRIDAY the 13th is meant to be serious ... nonetheless, it shows plenty of gratuitous nudity and sex and violence, and exists for no other reason).

And by the way, Walter, thanks for hosting and creating this great website, regardless of whether you think I'm a "poor kid."   ;D

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Character Cove / Re: Treatment of Casca in the manga **SPOILERS**
« on: January 15, 2002, 08:22:02 AM »
I'm definitely not sick of BERSERK or anything like that. I've changed my mind somewhat, having gotten a little distance from my original feelings of pure disgust. I'll probably end up buying some manga, the later volumes perhaps, assuming they don't have any equivalent scenes. But no, I don't think I've bought anything that made rape into pornography like I believe that scene did.

My beef with the Wild scene is not the fact that he tries to rape Casca; I agree that goes with his character. But the simple way it's depicted ... Casca stands there, helpless, while Wild strips her and goes for her with that tongue ... it's the pure helplessness and unnecessary exploitativeness of the scene. We all know Wild's horny and evil. Do we need yet another scene where Casca submissively is about to be raped? Somehow I don't think a sane Casca would have just laid down like that ... remember, during the Eclipse she's taking charge. Only after all the Hawks are dead, when everything is lost, and when she's surrounded and without a weapon, are the demons able to take her.

Anyway, with regards to the rape scene again. I'm not objecting to it being stomach-turning and uncomfortable. It's that way in the anime. What I object to is Miura using it as an opportunity to give the raincoat crowd what it wants: rape depicted as sexual pornography, rather than as a savage act of violence. Maybe some people think that's the way it IS drawn ... undoubtedly it generates those emotions, yes. But it could have done that in a much less EXPLOITATIVE way. If you're going to argue that the way it is drawn is NOT exploitative and pornographic, I don't agree with you.

As for why Miura did this, I'd like to think that he's forced to draw so many rape scenes in order to get published by his particular magazine. Who knows ... I don't for sure. But I don't like it, and I don't think I'll be buying those issues that have those scenes in them. Again, I don't have an issue with explicit depictions of sex, violence, etc. That's part of the world the characters live in. What I do have an issue with is exploitative depictions of sexual violence. Like I've said, you can be explicit without being exploitative. That's the difference between art and pornography.

Miura is a GREAT talent and a very creative and skilled writer. I intend to support his work in the future, by buying the Region 1 legit anime DVDs and by getting the manga volumes that DON'T include unnecessary and sadistic exploitation. But I sure as hell ain't buying the stuff that does.

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Character Cove / Re: Treatment of Casca in the manga **SPOILERS**
« on: January 15, 2002, 04:40:05 AM »
The anime made me feel the same way. You really felt the agony that Guts and Casca were going through, and the horror of the betrayal.

But it didn't turn into a porno flick. It didn't show Casca being maneuvered around into every different position in the Kama Sutra. It didn't concentrate on her naked body to the exclusion of all else.

If anything, portraying the rape like that distracts from the horror. It makes it look, again, like pornography rather than horror. A rape scene can be both explicit and horrifying ... see the American film THE ACCUSED with Jodie Foster, where her character is gang-raped in a bar. Miura takes his cue here not from that movie or others like it, which respect the victim and focus on their emotional anguish, but rather from whatever XXX film he saw last. I was disgusted not by Femto's act, but instead by the way Miura was portraying the act and his intentions in doing so.

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Character Cove / Treatment of Casca in the manga **SPOILERS**
« on: January 14, 2002, 06:50:56 PM »
Just saw the BERSERK manga for the first time @ a great Japanese bookstore here in NYC. My only acquaintance beforehand was with the excellent anime series and reading updates on the Internet.

Was flipping through all the volumes and saw some stuff that basically turned my stomach and kept me from buying them all on the spot ... hell, from buying any at all. And that was the treatment of my favorite character, Casca.

I'm referring to two scenes in particular: The first is Wild's attack on the Hawks and his capture of Casca. This is a scene straight out of hentai, as he strips her and proceeds to threaten rape with a comedically monstrous tongue. She just seemed to be frozen and whimper. I was pretty disgusted by this ... it had zero purpose beyond simply playing the exploitation card to sell books to perverts.

The second scene, and the deal-breaker for me, was Femto's rape of Casca during the Eclipse. The way this was drawn and presented really made me want to throw the book across the room. This is a key plot point and a major turning point for all of the characters. It's a brutal rape that represents the ultimate in savage betrayal, the final sin that makes Griffith ultimately irredeemable (at least in my eyes ... apparently not in some other folks'). This scene is drawn like something out of DEBBIE DOES DALLAS. Instead of Casca's mental anguish and the horror of the moment, we get her being humiliated in several different positions from many angles, going on for at least 3 pages. Miura doesn't seem to understand that rape is NOT PORNOGRAPHY. This scene really sickened me and at this point I've pretty much decided not to purchase any BERSERK manga, whereas before I was ready and willing to plunk down $84 for all 21 volumes.

Now, I'm not a Mormon or something like that. I have no problem with seeing Casca naked in situations like when she and Guts make love (which I thought was drawn quite respectfully). I don't even have a major problem seeing Casca naked and in danger of being raped in her current state, because that was the world back then and now and when someone's trying to rape you, your clothes are probably going to get ripped (not that I'm exactly ecstatic about this, either ... I don't like it at all). What I DO have a problem with is Miura repeatedly humiliating Casca, a character whom he mostly otherwise draws with great humanity and creativity, for the sole purpose of violent exploitative perversion. Compare the openly pornographic treatment of Casca's rape with Guts' rape by Donovan (another scene I saw for the first time). We see pretty explicit stuff, and both Donovan and lil Guts naked. But we don't get Guts flashed from all angles, with every nook and cranny of his body on display, like some goddamn child porn flick. Miura shows us the brutality and horror of the moment, and once this is done, moves on. That's the way to handle that kind of situation in an explicit but yet non-exploitative manner. But when Casca's in danger ... he seems to forget all restraint and plays exclusively to the rubber raincoat crowd. I've lost a whole lot of respect for him and the manga itself.

I'm not saying that BERSERK is now worthless. I plan on keeping up with the storyline and seeing how it all plays out, and also to contribute to this board. I love the anime and Miura's writing and creativity are still high in my eyes. But I sure as hell am not going to support the manga with my money while stuff like what I mentioned above is being drawn.

I'm venting right now, but I'd be interested in what other people thought when they saw those scenes in the manga. Did anyone else have a similar reaction to mine?

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Character Cove / Re: Mozgus ... huh????
« on: January 18, 2002, 04:42:22 PM »
If so, then doesn't that kind of imply that Griffith WILL make the world a better place?

Not while he's in it ...

At any rate, Zodd and the other Apostles wouldn't follow Griffith if the God Hand didn't have anything to do with it. Zodd's pretty independent (well, somewhat) but there's no reason for lots of other Apostles to join in the fight unless they still see Griffith as either a God Hand or embodying their will. After all, Femto no longer exists ... thus Griffith would either have to be imbued with the God Hand's power or at least appear that way to the Apostles.

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Character Cove / Re: Mozgus ... huh????
« on: January 18, 2002, 08:21:22 AM »
And that black tide? Was it just there, sent by God Hand to kill everyone and regenerate Griffith?

Does anyone yet have a reason why Griffith is reborn, and why the God Hand would back this?

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Character Cove / Mozgus ... huh????
« on: January 18, 2002, 07:41:53 AM »
Hello folks,

Can't find any translations for Vol. 20-21 yet that can explain this: what the hell is Lord Mozgus, anyway? What's up with the frozen face, and how does he get the power to transform himself and his sick little crew into the equivalent of Apostles? Did he indeed sell out to the God Hand, under the guise of angels? And what the heck was that tide of black that killed all the people in the Tower?

Thanks!

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Character Cove / Re: Guts eye?
« on: February 12, 2002, 05:40:16 PM »
With regards to the symbolism of the lost eye ... I'm betting that losing the eye is symbolic of losing the "whole" Guts that existed just prior to the Eclipse, the one who had a future with Casca and a chance at a fully human life. Once he loses the eye, he is "blinded" to the possibilities of that life and just turns progressively more savage and dark. He's slowly losing his humanity. I'm betting that the eye will be healed once Guts is "healed" of the horror and trauma of the Eclipse.

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Character Cove / Re: Casca's life, and the two men in it.
« on: January 03, 2002, 08:34:13 AM »
Hey Fishbomb, I'm a guy and I care a lot about Casca! She's my favorite character in the series. A big reason why I haven't gotten the manga is because I don't want to see Casca the way she is now and getting almost raped every five pages, like Puella said.

At any rate, I would have to disagree with Kenoh-sama about Casca loving Griffith first. While he does hold a huge place in Casca's heart, being the first one and so on, remember that after Griffith is defeated by Guts, she is looking after Guts, not towards Griffith, unlike all the other Hawks. She agrees to come away with him once they rescue Griffith. Guts is first in her heart at the time of the Eclipse. After, though ... who knows. If she ever does remember the Eclipse, that will take care of her love for Griffith forever.

I also have to disagree that both Guts and Griffith are only pursuing selfish dreams. Well, Griffith is. But Guts realizes at the end, before the Eclipse, that his "dream" is the people around, the Band of the Hawk and Casca especially. She's his love and he is ready to dedicate himself to her and to his men. His dream is not one of selfish conquest, but of finally sharing his life with others. Unfortunately Griffith has to do what he does and now Guts is living a nightmare of torment and violent revenge; his dream was snatched away from him and destroyed in front of his eyes. He didn't realize, of course, that Casca was still there; hopefully he will snap out of his increasing disintegration and realize that he can still have what he wanted. I do believe that if Casca ever regains her memory, she will accept him. Yeah, they're both terribly damaged, but if they ever come to a land of peace they can both heal. I hope that's what happens, though I'm not too optimistic given everything that's gone on.

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