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Video Games / Re: Games to look forward to!
« on: April 13, 2014, 11:56:12 PM »
I haven't been looking into it a lot, but I really do want to give it a try. With all their flaws the first two were really interesting. I loved the whole sacrifice system in the world and how it affected each character. I still need to finish Nier though.

The anticipation made me break out Nier again to complete some trophies and get the fourth ending.

Were 1 and 2 any good? I kinda sticked with mainstream reviews and didn't give it a chance.  :femto:

They're a mixed bag.  One area they seem to skimp on is graphics.  They aren't the best looking games, for sure.  The first game had a deliciously twisted story and characters, but the gameplay was just not that fun.  With the second game, a different director made it a lot more "mainstream," which meant better gameplay, but a trite story and bland characters.  The game Nier is an offshoot of the series, following ending "E" of the first game, and developed by the original team.  That one was quite enjoyable in both story and gameplay.  Oh, and it had one of the best soundtracks of any game, ever. 

Now here's the really good news:  Drakengard 3 reunited the director and producer of the first game with Nier's composer.  I forsee good times ahead.

Video Games / Re: Games to look forward to!
« on: April 11, 2014, 03:26:08 AM »
After kinda burning myself out on Dark Souls II, I'm really looking forward to the English localization of Drakengard 3.  Anyone else?

Manga Mausoleum / Re: What significance does this symbol have? (Vol.24)
« on: September 14, 2010, 04:44:24 PM »
The bottom center looks ankh-ey of course . . .

Actually, it's reminiscent of a glyph that the Elizabethan scientist/magician John Dee designed.

Manga Mausoleum / Re: Griffith's dream (no, not that one)
« on: February 21, 2009, 12:25:51 AM »
I think I was trying to read more into it than that.  I guess sometimes things are exactly what they seem.

Manga Mausoleum / Re: Happiest moment in Berserk
« on: February 21, 2009, 12:25:01 AM »
I'm not sure if it qualifies as happy, but the scene after Guts teams up with Zodd to chase off Ganishka... When Serpico gets between the two of them and Zodd decides to move on... That scene was great.  And it made me happy, anyway.  :guts:

Manga Mausoleum / Griffith's dream (no, not that one)
« on: February 10, 2009, 05:46:23 PM »
In volume 10, while Griffith is in his cell, he has a sort of "waking dream" about Guts.  The exact wording escapes me at the moment, but he refers to Guts as "the one who made me forget my dream" or something to that effect.  Griffith echoes those words just before he agrees to make the sacrifice.  I was curious as to what the meaning behind the vision might be.  Any thoughts?

Speculation Nation / Re: Apostle strength
« on: February 04, 2009, 01:23:33 AM »
Perhaps this merits its own thread, but if a healthy Guts with the Berserk's Armor fought Zodd, what might the outcome be?

I find that I can appreciate a work of literature for several different reasons:

Language / Vocabulary - To this end, I would cite authors like Tolkein or Poe, because I feel their command of the English language explored the nuances of connotation.

Allegory - A work I found particularly poignant was "Young Goodman Brown," by Nathaniel Hawthorne.

Social / Political Commentary - Lord of the Flies, Brave New World, One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest.  I particularly like the themes of Kesey's work, as they relate to the emasculation of men by society.

Characters - To me, Shakespeare's tragic heroes are some of the best written characters in the history of literature.  The contrast between Brutus and Cassius in Julius Caesar.  The fatal ambition of MacBeth. 

:Sigh!:  But if I had to pick just one work, it would be Milton's Paradise Lost.  The epic of the English language, in Paradise Lost, John Milton combined all of the above factors into one masterwork.  The language is beautiful and descriptive, the parallels between the fall of Satan and that of Man well drawn, the social commentary - in the context of the English Civil War, and Milton's own affiliation with Cromwell - intriguing, and Milton's Satan has been analyzed as both tragic hero and villian.

Speculation Nation / Re: Why doesn't Griffith kill Guts? (and other stuff)
« on: December 18, 2008, 02:22:54 PM »
I think that some very tiny part of Griffith still feels that slaughtering his comrades was a terrible thing to do. Let's call it the 'human' piece. This part is obviously dominated by his ambition and it's also what's letting Guts & Co. live. Griffith tries to explain to himself that he's letting Guts live, because he's insignificant, but my guess is that in the end he feels bad for doing all the evil deeds for the sake of his dream.

I have to disagree.  When Griffith becomes Femto, he sheds his conscience:  the part of a human that cares about morality.  Think about it - why else could the Idea be comfortable letting the God Hand do as they will?  Because without a conscience to steer them, a being will be driven solely by ambition, instinct, and base desire.  The wildcard, IMHO, is the influence that Guts' and Casca's child has on the reincarnated Griffith.

I think that with all his intellect and resources he could notice that Guts is over time slowly building up his power, gathering troops and becoming more and more significant threat. He could easily trample his growth by sending a huge force to kill him, but he still didn't.

It's just that killing Guts gains Griffith nothing.  Guts currently lacks the power to oppose Griffith, and whereas Ganishka's defeat will futher Griffith's ambition, and cast him as savior, the death of Guts would have no meaning, not to Griffith, nor to the people of Midland.

I suppose that while his overambitious evil part wants to have the 'half of the kingdom and the princess' from legends (or 'the castle in the sky' as it was stated in the manga AFAIR) he still allows Guts live, because he knows that once he gets all he wants the only thing that can redeem him in the eyes of his 'human' part and to silence his remorse is to be killed by Guts. Probably the closer he will be to that goal the closer he'll be to such a realisation. I can easily see the last moments of Berserk being Griffith killed by Guts and actually dying a happy man (monster, God Hand or whatever :guts:), when he comes to terms with his crimes. He'd then have supplied what both his sides wanted: the dream and the redemption.

I think his ambition is his only driving force.  Griffith has no need or want for redemption, since that desire would be a function of conscience - an admission of wrongdoing.  I don't see anything in Griffith's character that points to him feeling remorse.  In fact, on the Hill of Swords, he says he feels nothing, as Oburi stated.

Current Episodes / Re: Episode 299
« on: November 24, 2008, 11:43:37 PM »
I know it's small, but here's the cover Miura drew for March Comes in Like a Lion:

Wow... I didn't think Miura could outdo Umino for cutesy-ness, but I think I was gravely mistaken

Speculation Nation / Re: God Hand's sacrifice
« on: November 24, 2008, 11:27:35 PM »
That is why I started this thread in the first place. I , imo, think that each God Hand member somehow have sacrificed more people. And by that I mean that i agree with you einherjar that " an unremarkable man would become and unremarkable apostle".

It was Aaz's idea first... I gave him credit, so don't go blaming me!  :ganishka:

Except in the case of a God Hand I think it is a must that this person is unremarkable somehow , if not i would not see them fit to become a God Hand in the first place.

I think you mean that they must be remarkable, not what you said.  :griff:

Now I'm not saying that it is a must to sacrifice a lot of people when you become a God Hand but it would be interesting if it was the case that for each member a lot of person was involve. As for the case of the beherit apostle , it was a ceremony that had a big impact on the story as his creation led to the rebirth (can I say rebirth?) of Griffith.

It's a reincarnation, not rebirth.

And when you take a look at Griffith's sacrifice, the band of the hawk wasn't that much people but still a lot. And I also think that the more people involved the more power you might get.

Well, the only comparison we can draw is between the Count and Rosine, because those are the only two apostles we know to have sacrificed one and two persons, respectively.  And as I posted earlier, this one comparison doesn't appear to support your theory, IMHO.

(I remember reading somewhere here that apostles can goes to the God Hand ceremonies to enhance their power if they want , and I guess probably to also witness this event) My opinion anyway.  :guts:

I've never heard such a thing... I just assumed they were drawn by their bloodlust.

of course Aaz and einherjar are right in a way saying we didn't see much of the birth of the apostles so I could be waaay of here. That's why I'd like to see some flashback of a few apostles (known to us) creation to see if there was lots of people involved or not. I guess we'll have to wait and see. (if it ever happens anyway)

We'll know when we need to, and not before, methinks.

Speculation Nation / Re: God Hand's sacrifice
« on: November 23, 2008, 07:42:09 PM »
There is also the possibility that the sacrifice is proportional to the power or role the new apostle/godhand will take. For example Griffith had to sacrifice basically everything to become a Godhand. His body from the torture and maybe his mind as well. He then had to sacrifice all of the remnants of his army that were used to obtain what was most important to him. The amount of suffering, torment, pain, etc could also play a role, for example it could taken a lot more of those feelings to give birth to a new godhand instead of a regular apostle. I just find it interesting that all of the lesser apostles also had a lesser sacrifice. Of course there is always the possibility that it doesn't matter at all and was just because of the circumstances of the person and the personality it takes to become a certain apostle like someone previously mentioned.

First off, Griffith's torture and the mental agony that accompanied it was not part of the sacrifice.  It did, however, cause him to reach the level of desperation necessary for the Beherit to be activated. (By his blood when he attempted suicide.)

And, as Aaz said earlier in this thread:

We know of few sacrifices by apostles and have seen even less. Worse, most were exceptional cases, like the Count's failed second sacrifice, or the Beherit-Apostle's unconventional one.

What can be said is that the way things are arranged on the grand scale of things probably accounts for everything, so that a future member of the God Hand will have a heftier sacrifice than a mere apostle. But really, that's just speculation and it's not impossible that an apostle could sacrifice a certain amount of people.

As I stated, I think the value of the individual sacrifice is more important than the body count of the sacrifice.  We know Rosine sacrificed both her parents, and yet she seemed less powerful than the Count, whom we know to have sacrificed only one person (his wife).  There was a thread a few months ago, where Aaz postulated that the characteristics of an apostle were, at least in part, based on their human selves... To paraphrase (because I'm too lazy to find the quote) "An unremarkable man would become and unremarkable apostle."

We know nothing of any sacrifice by any God Hand other than Griffith, so we can't say whether they sacrificed one or hundreds.

Character Cove / Re: Second-Favorite Berserk Character (2008 edition!)
« on: November 22, 2008, 03:54:53 AM »
I went with Serpico.  I like the tension he brought to Guts' party in the past, and hope a little bit of it continues on once the focus shifts back to them.  I'm expecting big things from Serpico... Eventually he'll probably reveal his true blood-relation to Farnese, which could prove intriguing.  And with the sylphs augmenting his already above-average combat skill, I can't wait to see him take on some apostles, even if they are the garden variety.

Speculation Nation / Re: God Hand's sacrifice
« on: November 22, 2008, 03:46:31 AM »
Well, this is quite speculatory on my part, but to me, Guts and - to a much lesser extent - Casca were the only persons who meant enough to Griffith to even be sacrificed.  I think the nature of the Occultation pulled the rest of the Hawks "along for the ride."

Remember Griffith's final human thoughts - they were of Guts, and how he alone made Griffith forget his dream.  Again, in my mind this means that Guts was *the* sacrifice.  I don't think any number of the Hawks that didn't include him would've been an acceptable offering.

What does this imply?  Maybe nothing.  But maybe it means that the enclosed space of the Occultation - not a cosmic equation equalling the birth of a new God Hand - significantly raises the death toll.

Speculation Nation / Re: What will Falconia be like?
« on: November 22, 2008, 03:23:15 AM »
Griffith was told

May your actions bring pain or salvation. . .

What this means to me is that it may be possible for Griffith to use his evil to bring "good" to mankind, at least in the short-term.  However, knowing that the Idea of Evil is the architect of causality, the salvation Griffith appears to bring is likely a facade.

I rather like Walter's vision of Falconia:

I see white streets, white walls, white buildings, white columns and especially, white castles, in a gothic fashion -- the perfect realization of that castle in Griffith's dreams.
. . .
I see Falconia as humanity's final safe haven from the hell outside its walls. Inside, it is immaculate perfection, the pinnacle of civilization, to all those granted the Falcon's favor, who rules over the empire, and unbeknownst to his admirers, is the one who brought this hell to earth. I think humanity will place their faith in Griffith because his is the only path that doesn't lead to an inhuman death.

Though Guts and Griffith's fight would be quite incredible if Griffith keeps up his savior persona. It would really confuse things from the perspective of who's good or bad. What would be more important, an individual's revenge or the savior of the masses?

It's along the same lines of Guts confrontation with Mozgus.  Granted, Guts knows that burning Casca at the stake won't save the people gathered at Albion, but even if it would, he would choose to save her and damn everyone else.  And that's what makes him cool, right?  :guts:

Easily one individuals revenge. It has been a constant theme in Berserk that great individuals follow their own paths no matter what and create huge changes in other peoples lives as well as influence the course of history. Guts will pursue his revenge, even if that means destroying the saviour of all mankind.

I agree completely.  A "savior" Griffith makes Guts' quest for revenge that much more personal.  If Griffith is seen by all as a bringer of darkness, the plot of the series (to me) degenerates significantly, to the point of being "Humans vs. Evil."  On the other hand, if Griffith's image is still untarnished, Guts is still "the Struggler."  He alone (Ok, with the help of his companions) attempts to defy the gods, angels, and devils of the world.

Anyway, I'd feel pretty hosed if Guts had it easy.

Current Episodes / Re: Episode 299
« on: November 22, 2008, 02:56:21 AM »
I think she would. I mean, Guts would never talk to Griffith like that either... until he found out what he was capable of. The only time he confronted Griffith was when he realized, to his horror, that he was not truly Griffith's friend and that leaving was the only way to have any hope of being one. But, after seeing what Griffith was willing to do in the Eclipse, he'd definitely talk to Griffith like that. If the apostle attack just lifted a veil and allowed Sonia to foresee what Griffith will do at the end of the battle, and if that were horrible enough, ...I think she would.

The only reason why I doubt this to be the case is that Griffith knows of her power, so he would have seen it coming.

Ummmm... And then there's the context...

Encyclopedia: Q&A / Re: Secret Project Episode III: Timeline
« on: November 06, 2008, 06:36:49 PM »
Most definitely. Guts had Casca with him in the DC game, remember? He didn't find her before the events at Albion.

Right right right... And Zodd has only one horn...

Encyclopedia: Q&A / Re: Secret Project Episode III: Timeline
« on: November 06, 2008, 06:34:22 PM »
Whoah... I just noticed the DC game on the timeline... Did it really happen after Griffith's reincarnation?

Speculation Nation / Re: Predictions of what will happen in the near future
« on: November 06, 2008, 06:26:35 PM »
And I think we should be careful not to draw hasty conclusions from Rakshas' enigmatic line. He's such a mysterious character that it's hard to know if he meant it, not to mention that he most likely couldn't do it even with Silat and Daiba's aid.

I, for one, believe he would do it, if he were able.  Maybe he learns of the possible connection between Griffith and the Moonlight Boy?  But maybe he needs a non-apostle to carry out whatever is necessary.  And when Silat & Daiba fail... He turns to Guts!  :guts:

Speculation Nation / Re: Zodd vs Skull Knight
« on: November 06, 2008, 03:17:25 PM »
So it's like this?

This also explains why Skully didn't get hit with an ACME piano or anvil while escaping!

Speculation Nation / Re: The Millennium Harbinger
« on: November 06, 2008, 03:15:23 PM »
He may have been able to travel to the Abyss through magic . . . Is it possible for someone to willingly try and travel beyond the Vortex of Souls, to the Abyss?
 . . .
He may have gone into a trance or a deep unconsciousness and his astral body could of traveled deep into the Vortex of Souls. Maybe his desire for revenge or his search for "god" allowed him to make it to the Abyss and meet with the Idea of Evil. Or if we consider causality, the Idea of Evil may have masterminded the whole incident. Establishing it's first "God Hand" member.

I like this idea, but there is also the possibility that he completely died, and used his power to travel beyoun the vortex after his death.

Now this is just one of many scenarios but if the Wiseman was tortured horrendously. His face was peeled back his eyes sewn shut and maybe even his skull was opened.

He wouldn't have needed to assume the appearance of Void while still a human.

Another interesting thing is that Mozgus knew of the story of the Wiseman. Why did the wiseman go down in history? Even more so, why is he (or the story) remembered by a prominent religious fanatic like Mozgus who even calls him a Wiseman? The wiseman must of been someone important to be remembered as such. Especially after 1000 years.

I find that interesting as well.  It's probably not a coincidence.


So the Wiseman travelled across the Vortex, through the Abyss, and met with the Idea.  Then he became Void, first of the God Hand.  Where and when does Beherit come into play?  Did the Wiseman create Beherit before becoming Void?  Did Beherit exist prior to his transformation?

Speculation Nation / Re: Predictions of what will happen in the near future
« on: November 06, 2008, 03:00:35 PM »
Well, I think Silat and his clan are meant to be on the sidelines for now. It's not their time yet. Anyway, it's an appealing idea in some ways, but I wonder if Silat would tolerate him. He didn't have much love for Ganishka and I think that will extend to Daiba, who's not a very nice guy himself. He'd have to be of value somehow, in which case they could reluctantly let him join them, or even come to capture him against his will.

Perhaps Rakshas will attempt to use Silat and Daiba to further his stated goal of taking Griffith's head.

Current Episodes / Re: Episode 298
« on: November 06, 2008, 02:57:36 PM »
The climax to the series will most likely occur with the final confrontation between Guts and Griffith. And it's gonna be epic:

That's genius... really.  But I'd prefer to see something along the lines of Guts killing the Snake Baron... Maybe Casca has to pull him away from torturing Griff in his final moments...  :guts:

Speculation Nation / Re: Predictions of what will happen in the near future
« on: November 04, 2008, 11:54:46 PM »
I don't think it can be related. The Beast of Darkness is a personification of a part of Guts' feelings, a creature that only exists in his mind (and I think it's important to differentiate it from the Berserk's armor and its effects). When Guts is overcome by the armor's vicious Od, it's his own dark side that manifests itself behind the Beast's facade. I wouldn't compare it to how Femto has come to inhabit the child's body.
                                                                    . . .
Is the child truly one with Griffith, or is he trapped into his own body, now Griffith's body? Have they merged? Has Griffith absorbed him? And what of the Moonlight Boy? Is he their son and if so, how is it possible? We lack some vital information here.

I just ventured this as a reason that separating Femto & the Child would be possible.  As in -- an extremely powerful magic user delves into Griffith's mind and is able to separate the two, as Schierke frees Guts from the Od of the Armor.  That is, if the mechanism is the same.  Obviously the circumstances are completely different. Guts' ego was maintained by Flora's seal, whereas we only speculate that some of the Child's identity remains (as the Moonlight Boy)  And the Beast is clearly not as powerful an entity as Femto.  But both could be two egos in one body.

Honestly, before reading this thread, the notion of separating the two had never even occurred to me.

Speculation Nation / Re: Predictions of what will happen in the near future
« on: November 04, 2008, 06:46:41 PM »
The thing is, with the imminence of unknown great changes to the world, it's hard to foretell what will be possible or not in the future (and what will matter to Griffith and the God Hand). Same for what/who will be affected and how.

An excellent point.  I suspect that Elfhelm, due to its astral nature, may not be altered in the same way or to the same degree as the rest of the world.  Perhaps it may be similar to Flora's tree, but on a larger scale, and aided by elven magic. 

It may be possible to separate the child from Griffith. And if Casca were to find out that the two are currently one, she may want to find a way to separate them. With the help of a magic user.. or other means.

Granted, we don't know the mechanism by which Femto and the child were joined, but it could be similar to the way the Beast can control Guts while he's using the armor.  I realize that there are great differences between the two, but if the link is the same, then I agree it may be possible. 

As an aside, I think Guts could be quite conflicted if saving the child costs him a chance to kill Griffith.  Another possible interpretation of SK's admonition on the beach...

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