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Character Cove / ApostleBob's updated Guide to Reoccurring Apostles
« on: May 18, 2018, 09:12:54 PM »
In anticipation of the next Berserk Episode, I decided to update my guide to Apostles the reappear through out the series. It now includes MANY more apostles that appear throughout the series, including the New Band of the Hawk's demon soldiers. There are so many more reoccurring background characters than I originally noticed and I wanted a more complete guide that could be added to as the series goes on.

I've given them each nicknames so that I can track them easier. They aren't the most creative names but are pretty strait forward. One thing that I thought could be fun for the community is is to try and assign our own names to them. If we get really good suggestions I'll change them on the guide. Let me know what we should call these guys.

And of course if you spot any other re-occuring Apostles please point them out to me and I'll add them to the list.

I had a random thought that I hadn't seen discussed before. Any ideas on why the Beast of Darkness and by extension the berserker armor has the eyes styled as a zig zag or lightning bolt? Is there some japanese symbolism I'm missing? Is it supposed to just look crazed and chaotic. Just cool?


Hey Skullknighters,

So I've just launched my first Kickstarter project. I've worked in Film for about fifteen years now doing shorts, commercials, and occasional feature work, and now I've decided to make an ambitious project of my own.  It's a dark comedy called 'The Replacement' and it's set in a future where people grow their own memory sharing clones as often as they get new outfits. Living parallel lives, the clones can become experts at things much faster, with some going to different university, others practicing music, others exploring the world. They start changing the world for the better, but their natural born originals can't share memories; instead they get a small hare of each of their clones wage.   

It's a world where normal people are unemployable and can't aspire to anything because their clones are just taking care of everything. And it pisses a lot of people off, who see their clones living out all their own dreams of fame and talent. The movie is set on election night as our main character flips through channels seeing his clone on each one in different roles until he finds his clone elected as the first clone President. And he's had enough.

If you guys are interested, I'd appreciate any support you can give, even if it's just to share it around on social media. This is a pretty tight community and I'm hoping to get it out there a little more.

Here's the link

I'll have several fun updates to post as we progress. I'm happy to answer any questions as well.  :serpico:

Manga Mausoleum / Kushan Magic and Pishacha
« on: October 20, 2015, 03:16:03 PM »
During my latest re-read I noticed something that I’d glossed over several times since the Kushan war was still ongoing.  But I’ve just finished the siege of Vrittanis and several things jumped out at me, specifically about the mystery of distinguishing Kushan magic, apostle powers, and the mixing of the two in the case of the artificial beherit.  Some starting points to note.

-We know how the daka are created from the artificial beherit. They are human fetuses plunged into the astral layer inside apostles, while Kushan priests surround it in prayer (to direct it? Out of superstition?)
-The Pishacha are wild animals turned monstrous by some unspecified magic.
-The Pishacha are controlled or directed by Kushan priests as well as the Daka (We see the Daka lose coordination when Guts kills one in Vrittanis).
-We’ve seen that the priests and Daiba are inhailing Ganishka’s fog, using it as a method to control the Pishacha and Daka
-The Daka retreat when Ganishka’s fog recedes (which could mean they are under it’s influence, or else are just demoralized)
-Garuda doesn’t seem to be a pishacha, nor something like the Daka.
-The Kunadlini appears to be unique, perhaps an eastern God that appeared before the merging of the worlds.
-Ganishka can project his apostle form from far away, something unique to apostles we see. It’s unclear if this is apostle power or some outside magic (or both)

So on to questions:

What exactly are the Pishacha and how do they work?  They appear to be different than the daka, as they revert to a natural form when they die (much like an apostle).  And it seems ridiculous that the Kushan are dropping whales and elephants into the artificial beherit.Are they animals possessed by Ganishka’s fog in a way similar to pseudo apostles? 

If this is the case, why does this same fog not turn the priests and Daiba monstrous, but rather give them a level of control?

Do we have a solid grasp on exactly how the Kushan army uses magic to create some of these creatures. Is it magic or just Ganishka using his unique Apostle properties to influence and create entire armies.   :ganishka:

Is Garuda just a supernatural creature from the east, akin to trolls?  The same with the Kundalini?  Seems like it. 

I know this is kind of a broad post, but I find the type of and the amount of supernatural in the Kushan forces to vary quite a bit and not have explanations as clear or obvious as apostle power or Schierke’s magic. I wanted to see if the community can help nail down the accepted explanation on how some of this works. I know parts of this topic have been covered piecemeal over the years, but a lot of it was speculation before this part of the story was fully finished and it's spread across threads stretching 10 years back. I'm hoping we can tackle this topic in one centralized area now that the Kushan part of the story is mainly over.  :daiba:

Manga Mausoleum / Random Observations in Re-read
« on: August 21, 2015, 02:53:31 PM »
I've read Berserk maybe 6 times cover to cover.  It's been about a year and a half and I thought I'd do another to catch up for the new releases and I caught some new stuff I hadn't noticed before.

-It's strange that the God Hand deliberately manipulate Griffith into joining their ranks. Once he's one of them and he see's how all this works, and how he's been played just like every apostle they encounter, would there be resent? Perhaps he's above petty emotions at that point, but potentially each God Hand has dicked each new member over at one point in this way. 

-I noticed that the entire Troll encounter isn't simply a random breach of the astral world into the material one, but rather specifically linked to Slan taking form and opening Qliphoth.  The seeds of Fantasia are much more prominent this time around and it gives a lot more weight to the Troll section.

-The apotles at Floras house are just amazing designs. That is all.

-I'd forgotten how late Ganishka is introduced. It's many volumes after the Kushan appear.

-I didn't realize that the berserker armor is working, though to a lessor effect, on Guts even when it isn't 'activated.' He mentions that he controls his pain through it while they are on the beach.

-It's really not clear if Vritanis is the Holy City or not. There are implications, but the skyline doesn't match and there doesn't seem to be a real Holy See presence.

I'm on Volume 26 so I'll post more as I notice more.  Just thought I'd share how I keep finding new things in these books.

I had a thought based on a recent re-read.

We know that Griffith’s forces attacked Flora pre-preemptively most likely because she represented a threat to the God Hand’s plans, if not themselves.

Also in Enoch village we learn that the Holy See has been building churches on former magic shrines for nature spirits and other magical totems to replace them. As a result, many humans have forgotten about magic and can’t see spirits or elves until very recently.

Also thoughout the Conviction Arc we’ve seen the Holy Sees inquisition attempting to root out witches and other Heretic types. At first I thought this was just basic medieval superstition and religious persecution, but it got me thinking that maybe there’s a bit more to it.

The Holy See is after all a religious organization with roots in the God hand as evidenced by its many icons including Hawks, Angels, Beherits and the double helix similar to the brand and the Idea of Evil, as well as its prophesies. 

Could it be that the God hand has systematically influenced the churches doctrine to seek out magic users and persecute them expressly to pave the way for an incarnation of one of their members? I’m not saying the church is aware that they are doing it for this reason, but have been influenced by causality to do their dirty work. Thoughts?

Speculation Nation / Giants and the world of Berserk
« on: January 26, 2015, 02:44:52 AM »
Another random observation about the world of berserk.  It's set in a fantasy world to be sure, yet the populace that makes the majority of it up (with small exception) seems to behave as if it isn't.  By this I mean that they seem incredulous whenever they do stumble upon the supernatural such as Apostles, trolls, elves, or ghosts.  It's kind of a hidden world, until fantasia occurs.  There are some small exceptions with Puck, but for the most part, people react as if this stuff was just out of a fairy tale, such as Casca when Judeau gives her elf dust. 

Strangely though, giant size humans seem to be the norm.  In some cases this just may be an exaggerated art style, such as the cases of Zondark, Bazuso, and Samson.  But when the New Band of the Hawk show up, Grunbeld and his squad are clearly over 12 feet tall, and the small flashback for him implies that this was the case even before he gained apostlehood.  Maybe I'm just stating the obvious, but does that not seem a little strange?  I can get that the "demon soldiers" led by Zodd, Locus, and Rakshas seem weird and somewhat beastly, but I always figured the humans they're liberating just thought they were a group of odd barbarians. 12 foot giants that beat down War elephants is another thing.       

So I guess in the world of Berserk, giant people are a rare but known thing?  Any other exceptions that jump to mind.

As a fun discussion topic, about how many Apostles do we think Guts killed during his Black Swordsman period?  That is to say before he returned to Godot’s shop to discover Casca missing?  We know for sure of several:

-The Pig Apostle
-The Succubus Apostle (who killed Corkus)
-The Cobra Apostle
-The Count

But both the Cobra Apostle and the Count had heard rumors of the Black Swordsman hunting apostles.  This implies a lot more in between the pig apostle and the Cobra offscreen.  The problem is, these fights usually take a lot out of Guts. Broken bones, a ton of blood loss, etc.  But before the Cobra, Guts didn’t have Puck as a companion to heal him in between bouts.  So I feel like the number was limited to some degree.  Or maybe he was just hunting weak ones like the Chicken Apostle before moving up to the tougher guys.  Thoughts? 

Manga Mausoleum / Reoccurring Apostles
« on: January 15, 2015, 06:50:44 PM »
Someone on Reddit was asking about other re-occurring apostles from the Eclipse other than the obvious ones of The Count, Rosine, and her guardians, so I put together a little list.  Let me know if you spot others I can add.  :zodd:

Anime Asylum / Golden Age making of interview
« on: April 09, 2014, 04:07:43 AM »
I found an interesting interview regarding the making of the new films and the difficulties involved.  Worth a look.

Berserk Merchandise / Dark Horse volume sale!
« on: April 07, 2014, 01:52:07 AM »
For those collecting the Dark Horse volumes, I found a 50% off sale. 


Anime Asylum / Berserk Redux: A Fanedit of the Golden Age and the '97 anime
« on: November 15, 2013, 08:57:21 PM »
Hey Skullknighters, I’ve been working intermittently on a Berserk fan edit of the Golden Age trilogy intercut with the ’97 anime.  The goal is to make a series of four movies that more accurately represent the spirit of Berserk and yet retain an exciting cinematic pace.  There have been hundreds of minor edits to make scenes and conversation flow better as well as major additions to improve character development and plot. 

This cut is coming from a wholly different philosophy than Griffith’s excellent and meticulous fanedit Berserk: Recut.  While I am trying to make the movies more faithful to the manga, this is by no means a purist cut that attempts to recreate manga as accurately as possible.  These are meant to feel like movies.  I don’t think that the manga, as it is, lends itself to being a “movie.”  This is not to say that I think that the story is told bad in manga form; quite the contrary.  But I do think some storytelling techniques work better in the literary mediums.  Therefore there have been some cuts, and overall voiceover has been significantly diminished.  The Black Swordsman has been shifted to a more linear position in the story. If the movies represent a scene in a way that I find more interesting or cinematic than the anime, I go with that version of it.

Another important note:  The ’97 anime is presented in a 4:3 aspect ratio while the golden age trilogy is 16:9.  I chose to retain these original formats to avoid drastic recropping of the picture and composition of the anime.  I realize this may initially feel abrupt, but I promise that you get used to it.

All comments and feedback are welcome. 

Notable changes to movie 1 include:
-Color correction to match the animation styles of the two formats
-Hundreds of minor cuts to make conversation flow more naturally
-Removal of most voice over and redundant dialogue throughout
-Removal of many background characters commentary (Not all)
-Restoring the "In this world" opening line by Void
-Modification of opening credits
-Restoring Corkus's debate on whether to attack Guts on the road
-Multiple minor edits during Corkus, Casca and Griffith's initial attack on Guts
-Removal of super human jump by Griffith
-Restoring minor reactions after Guts is beaten a second time by Grifith
-Restoring Guts reflecting on his loss in a tent and Casca warding off an ambush by Corkus
-Restoring Guts First battle with the Hawks
-Restoring Guts childhood flashbacks
-Restoring Griffith's philosophical discussion with Guts about destiny after the battle
-Restoring the after battle party
-Restoring the morning discussion with Judeau and the water fight with Griffith
-Restoring the Beherit being introduced after the water fight. Includes Fortune teller flashback
-Removal of the trilogy's "I will have my own kingdom" scene
-Extension of the fight with Zodd to be more intense and faithful (Guts beaten worse, Zodd's arm severed)
-Restoring Minister Foss and nobles confronting Guts in castle corridor after Zodd
-Restoring Guts visiting injured Griffith at chapel and getting punched by Casca
-Removing Griffith showing Guts the Beherit on the stairs and Guts almost falling off railing.
-Restored Guts musing on the roof with his sword
-Restored Foss and Julius's plotting. Shortened significantly so that Julius doesn't come off so thick headed.
-Shortened the Fall Hunt scene so that Charlotte doesn't wail at the end
-Added Guts talking to Griffith about his library
-Added Guts witnessing Julius give Adonis a harsh sword lesson.
-Shortened Julius's death scene so he doesn't stagger like a zombie
-Extended Guts escape from Julius's keep to be more intense.
-Restored Guts escape into the sewers after leaping over the wall.
-Some subtle edits in the 'dreams' speech.

Changes not made:
-Aspect ratio for both media sources remain true their original format (This cannot be fixed without massive picture cropping)
-Opening castle siege remains (Sets up a world at war, is an exciting opening, and does a great job of introducing Guts)
-Guts wears a mask during assassination of Julius (a reasonable change and the trilogy's version of the scene is more cinematic)

Due to merging two different sources of the same story, there are certain inevitable continuity errors. This edit focuses on character, story, and pacing over the continuity of wardrobe, art style, or minor details. These continuity errors are known and remain by choice.

Total Running time: 97 minutes

Final disclaimer: This fanedit is for educational purposes only. I own all of this source media in a commercially available format and do not endorse piracy in any way.  ALL RIGHTS BELONG TO WARNER BROTHERS, STUDIO 4ºC, VIZ MEDIA, VAP, AND MEDIA BLASTERS. Viewers should own a commercially available version of the film and television show prior to viewing this fanedit.

Speculation Nation / The faces in the terrain of the Eclipse
« on: September 16, 2013, 01:12:23 AM »
As old as this subject must be, there may be another topic regarding it, but a search hasn't yielded anything.

What is the hypothesis on all the faces that seem to make up the terrain during the eclipse.  There are thousands of smaller faces that tend to make up mounds or "hills' in the shape of bigger faces.  The sky seems to be a gaseous version of this as well, made up of faces swirling together almost like a storm.  From the wider shots, it seems like these two terrains are interconnected and roll into one another, which makes it even more otherworldly.

The faces aren't uniform either.  While none have facial hair, their appearances are all distinct.  Some even appear as skulls.  And we see several instances of them reacting in an animate fashion as opposed to some form of 'architecture.'

What, if any, is the significance of these faces?  Is it just a cool design that Miura had?  Or does it somehow relate to the vortex of souls or some other aspect.

To me the Vortex seems to be a good candidate.  These faces could represent the individual souls from the vortex.  There are definite similarities.  But there's no great evidence to support this other than some visual cues.

Another possibility is that they represent previous sacrifices during both apostle and occultation ceremonies.  If so, this would indicate a lot of victims of the God Hand.  Again, pure speculation. 

Or this could just be a cool idea that Miura had that bears no further relevance in the plot.

What is the general consensus?   

Manga Mausoleum / Penetration Station: Who REALLY Raped Casca?
« on: July 25, 2013, 04:47:42 PM »
But there's no indication that Casca was raped by the apostles who captured her.

Not to dredge up an old topic, but I think there's a fair abount of indication that she was raped by the apostles. 

First off, the apostles didn't eat her or tear her to pieces for a reason.  They make the distinction that she's a "woman sacrifice," leer at her, and then tear off all her clothes.  Wyald is only one indication of a rapey apostle, but we do know that they're all pretty base in their enjoyment.

Then the next time we see Casca, she's hoisted by the tentacle apostle and she seems unconscious or in a daze. Why is she not screaming her head off or terrified? She seems punch drunk or exhausted.  If they were just passing her around, it seems weird that she'd be in this state.

Next, there is a lot of blood specifically around her genitals.  She has other scrapes and cuts but there is a lot down below and I recall there even being panels that highlight this.

Lastly, later on in the series, there are several times where crazy Casca is assaulted by men who want to rape her and she has flashbacks.  However her flashbacks are always of the apostles, never of Griffith.  Almost as if there was some horrible trauma related to the apostles that she associated with rape...

There are other small things like the fact that most of the apostles surrounding her when Guts sees her are phallic in pretty distinct ways.  This doesn't prove anything per se, but it seems to imply quite a lot about what these guys were up to. 

On the other hand, I'm pretty sure that the time between Guts fighting the apostles atop the alter to the time where he found Casca was pretty parallel to the time spent where Casca and Judeau ran away to the point where Judeau died and the apostles swarmed her.  These two are meant to overlap if you're paying attention.  However it does seem like there was some missing time in between.

Also from a story telling perspective, the tension seems somewhat lessoned if the deed is already done, but then again they were likely going to finish her off in the most degrading way possible.  It's also more powerful if Femto stops them and then rapes her himself.  And I can also see the argument that the God Hand wouldn't want sloppy seconds.

But whether that seems to feel better from a story perspective, it doesn't seem to be what Miura indicates with everything else.  The flashbacks and wounds just seem too damning for me.

Manga Mausoleum / In layman's terms, what is Void saying?
« on: July 16, 2012, 07:24:17 PM »
Forgive me if there's already a topic about this, but I didn't see it. 

In Volume 13, the Godhand go into detail about the sacrifice and causality, most of which is pretty clear in meaning.  However, there are two passages from Void that seem incredibly cryptic.  Perhaps they're related in principle.

For both of Void's passages I will be refering to Puella's translations.

First Passage - After Slan tells Griffith to sacrifice his men because they will surely forgive him, and to bury them in the ruins of his dream, Griffith repeats this phrase "the ruins of my dream"

Void responds:

"That is the mercy of the God created by man."

Now I understand the concept of the God created by man.  Man wanted reasons for suffering, for war, absurd deaths, etc.  The Idea of Evil.  But when he says that the sacrifice is mercy from God... Does he mean this in the sense that God is allowing him to escape his human fate as a cripple?  It seems to.  Am I off in this?

Second Passage - After showing Griffith his past and all the people that have died because of him, asking Griffith if the Castle is still what shines brightest in his mind, Void says:

"If it's a principle that fate transcends human intellect and makes playthings of humans... It's causality that humans confront fate with evil."

This is the most cryptic passage, but I read it basically that "Humans can't fathom or control their destinies... So of course they do evil things to fight an inescapable fate."   Which in the case of a sacrifice, actually kind of does alter their human destiny at the expense of making them inhuman and evil.  Perhaps the mercy of God created by man, or am I reaching too far?

What I'm basically looking for is an interpretation in plain English.  Thanks in advance

Manga Mausoleum / The Hawks always fought for Midland, or just recently?
« on: February 06, 2012, 09:57:53 PM »
There's something I've always wondered about that I don't believe is ever explicitly stated in the Manga.  I've never seen it discussed so I figured it warranted a new topic.

The Band of the Hawk's battle against the Black Rams is the first battle where we see them specifically fighting on Midland's behalf in the 100 year war.  Prior to that we witness them engaged in several battles with no clearly defined sides.  I'm talking about the Bazûso battle, the battle where Guts is the rear guard, and the one just prior to the time skip.  My question is whether we can assume these prior battles were a part of the 100 year war between Midland and Tudor or if these are assumed to be random battle between individual feudal lords.   :???:

I realize we'll never get an official answer to this, but I'm just wondering how everyone else took it.  Now I know that the Hawks are mercenaries, not some nations personal army, but I'm sure the biggest and regular paydays would come from a national sponsorship versus private ones.  Plus it plays toward Griffith's dream to get national favor.  Personally I always assumed that Midland was a regular client of theirs and that their popularity and Griffith's Knighthood was a culmination of a long history of service to Midland as opposed to the Black Ram victory alone.  Am I off?

As a side question, in the Bazûso battle, I've always assumed the Hawks were the sole defenders of the castle.  This would make Bazûso a former member of the Hawks.  Perhaps even the former Raider Captain that Guts replaces (wild speculation, I know).   :slan:

Does this sound at all accurate?   Or is it more likely that their were several mercenary companies hired to defend that castle and that Bazûso was a member of another of them.  He does have a very non-Hawks emblem on his armor and battle ax.  

Before anyone says it, I know the answers to these questions have little bearing on the actual plot.  I'm only asking for a richer understanding of the Berserk universe, and I'm aware that any answers will rely on a lot of assumption and reading between the lines.

Speculation Nation / The purpose of the Apostles
« on: January 25, 2012, 12:22:30 AM »
I've been a long time reader of Berserk, but something has always bugged me.  The IoE has spun causality for millennia in order to shape man's will for some grand design.   Perhaps it's Falconia.  But the IoE cannot interact with the world directly.  To guide the IoE's design, it creates the God Hand as middlemen, out of what I assume are exceptional human beings with incredibly strong will.  I assume this about them because Griffith was this way, and because the IoE is essentially fueled by and created by human will (not the strongest argument, but I think it fits thematically).  But even they are like shadows on the world, only able to influence small events, never to interfere (except after an incarnation such as Griffith).  With one exception:  They preside over the creation of apostles.  Only the apostles can exist on the material world up to now.  But to what end?

Everything the IoE seems to have done seems to be with the long term in mind, that much is pretty clear.  But the creation of powerful monsters as some sort of wish fulfillment program is perplexing.  Why are these humans granted great power and told to do what they want, instead of given a specific agenda.  Many, like Grunbeld, Locus, Rakshas, and Ganishka, were exceptional people before the transformation.  We can assume Zodd and Irving were as well.  But some, like the Count, Rosine, the Beheilit Apostle, and probably Wyald weren't exceptional at all.  Most of them are cruel and almost all of them are terrifying to normal people.

I have a couple theories but I wondered what the communities take on this is, as it's never explicitly stated in the manga.

My speculation:

Their purpose is dual in nature.

Their initial purpose is to create misery, suffering and uncertainty in the world.  They give into their own selfish desires and bully puny humans at their hearts content.  People pray for salvation.  After many generations this creates an environment in which the Hawk of Light is desired enough to manifest.  We can speculate that this was specifically the purpose of Ganishka: to create a grave enemy against humanity for Griffith to defeat, to solidify his status as a grand liberator.    

Their second purpose apparently is to become the army of the re-incarnated Griffith.  An invincible force that no army can stand before and who will be devoutly loyal to a God Hand member should he ever fall out of favor with the people.  This could have taken hundreds of years as the apostles appear to be unaffected by age, and we know at least Zodd is 300 years old.    

So what do you think?  Am I way off base?  Or are they just cool bad guys that Miura wanted to include  :iva:

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