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Manga Mausoleum / Re: Dark Horse Releases
« on: April 09, 2009, 05:28:59 AM »
Generally speaking, the simple fact that a commercial service is available doesn't automatically excuse said service for its poor quality. Especially since people are paying for it. Dark Horse isn't doing you a favor by releasing Berserk in English, they're deriving profit from a popular series. And if they weren't, someone else would be.

Well, why are people here buying the DH releases? I get the feeling they want to support the publishing of Berserk in English, so I guess in that way they are grateful to DH. I guess it would be just the same if any other company had licensed it, but the way things are now we're all pouring money into DH's massive treasure vaults. What's your excuse?

Endless discussion about every aspect of Dark Horse's edition of Berserk is the purpose of this thread. That includes criticism and suggestions as to what could make it better. If you have nothing worth contributing, please refrain from posting in the future.

Criticism and suggestions are all fine by me. It's just that it sometimes feels like people can't put things into perspective.

Manga Mausoleum / Re: Dark Horse Releases
« on: April 08, 2009, 07:20:27 PM »
So while there are some gripes you have to admit, it is certainly nice to have a copy that is fairly easy to pick up and read, and let others read it.  Part of my enjoyment of a book or story is sharing it with others.  The anime used to be the way to do it, but DH has made it to where even my GF can read it because she wants to see why I like it so much.  Admittedly it's not her cup of tea, but at least she kind of gets it.  Before, sharing Berserk meant a shitload of researching on your own or listening to some supernerd prattle on which probably isn't the best idea particularly since I have been guilty of it  :serpico:

I sent the DH guys a couple of emails with a few small grievances and the best I can hope for is that they might change it sometime in a new edition or going forward.  In the end, having Berserk in English on my doorstep every couple of months kicks ass and I'll still buy it.

My thoughts exactly. The translations might not be up to everyone's expectations, but I'm still grateful for having Berserk in English. Endless discussion about what if's is a bit pointless.

Current Episodes / Re: Episode 302
« on: April 08, 2009, 07:12:50 PM »
Yeah, seriously. He looks more cutesy/feminine in this preview than I've seen him look just about almost ever.

Well, I don't know... He's always been a beauty. Look at the cover for volume 5 for example.

And Judo can't die because he's such an innocent nice guy who helps.... oh yea...

It's pointless to blurt out stuff like this. In many ways, Berserk is not like conventional literature in the sense that you can predict who will live and who will die based on generalizing typical character types .  Seriously man by now you should know Miura won't follow these kind of conventional storytelling rules, and even when he does, somehow he's still being unconventional.  I'm not even going to vote because I don't want to see any of them die and if I start to predict which character Miura might kill off I'll reduce the quality of the story for myself. Berserk is just to real and important for me. This isn't Lost, at least not for me.

It's like, would you look at the group of friends you hang out with and wonder which one them is going to die first? I don't see any point to a poll like this.

Now come on, don't take this so seriously! I certainly didn't, and that probably shows in my silly reasoning, which was meant to be a bit... funny? Maybe? (Although I still hold that Serpico will be the first one to go if the companions start dying.)

For me it's always fun to speculate...

Site & Forum News / Re: Writing Miura
« on: April 08, 2009, 06:57:27 PM »
I say :puck: :guts: :void: :zodd: and either :badbone: or :SK: are a must, and I think we ought to have Griffith too, so lets throw in :griff: or :griffnotevil:


Schierke can't die because she's just too cute.
Casca can't die because... come on, that would be seriously fucked up.
Isidro can't die because he's a comic relief character.
Farnese can't die because she's so helpless, it would be kind of lame.
The elves can't die because they're mainly for comic relief also.

So... It has to be Serpico! It kind of fits Serpico's character to tragically sacrifice himself, but I guess only time will tell... :ganishka:

Speculation Nation / Re: The Passage of Time in Recent Volumes
« on: April 07, 2009, 07:53:29 PM »
Huh? I guess you meant 3.5-4?

In many countries (like here in Finland) a comma is used instead, so three and a half is written as 3,5. In English it's 3.5 though.

Anyway, I think this is an interesting topic even if it doesn't add too much to... well... anything. The numbers and assumptions you brought up in the opening post seem quite plausible to me, although one year of Guts and Co. together seems like the maximum amount to me. Well, in the end it's hard to prove much timelinewise...

Which takes me to my next point. Even if we asked Miura-sensei, we might not get a "right" answer to some of these questions. The reason I say this is because I don't think Miura himself has thought about the story happening in a strict timeline. Sure, it's made clear that between some events some time has passed, but storywise it doesn't really matter if it's been a week or two months. What I'm saying is that I don't see knowing the exact amount of time that has passed between two events an important part of Berserk, mainly because Miura has never stressed it.

That being said, speculation is always interesting and I'd be happy to hear what others have to say about this.

I went with Rakshas on this one, just because I think Miura hasn't been focusing on him too much. Surely there is time for more character development, but ol' Rakshas just seems like a one trick pony to me. He's got to go soon, and Guts and co. will do the deed.

I don't understand how anybody would vote for Zodd. I think he'll almost surely be the last one standing. There has to be an ultimate :zodd: vs. :SK: battle and I'm rooting for Mr. Bones!

Site & Forum News / Re: Writing Miura
« on: April 04, 2009, 07:46:03 AM »
I, too, would like to thank Walter, the translators, and everybody involved in this great project. This is really a monumental achievement and I'm still amazed that we even got a reply. Truly fantastic! :guts:

Site & Forum News / Re: Regarding the recent server problems
« on: April 01, 2009, 05:30:41 PM »
Wait, what?

This is all a bit fishy... Is this just some really bad April Fool's joke? The cyber crime frontpage wasn't too funny though...

Manga Mausoleum / Re: Dark Horse Releases
« on: March 26, 2009, 06:41:03 PM »
I wouldn't be so quick to sing the praises of Dark Horse.  They actually don't even do their own translation work for Berserk. They farm it out to "Digital Manga." DH just publishes it. I guess it's just not important enough to them  :void:

Yeah, Digital Manga Publishing does pretty much all of Dark Horse's manga translations and they're the ones who I think do a good job.

Have you read anything Viz has done under their Editor's Choice line? It's better than Dark Horses', Vagabond's translator is on staff, and has even met with the creator. Had DH not picked up Berserk immediately, I have a strong feeling Viz would have. They're the dominant force in the US manga translation industry, and have far more capital and talent than DH have.

That's true, Viz's Editor's Choice line is pretty good, although I don't like what they do to the japanese sound effects. I don't really like Berserk's "FX" texts either, but at least they're not in the way these days. As far as I know DH is the only major publisher that leaves effects totally untranslated (which is the way they should be) for almost every other manga than Berserk.

Manga Mausoleum / Re: Dark Horse Releases
« on: March 26, 2009, 06:25:41 PM »
Do you work for Dark Horse during the day responding to fan/hate mail?

It's possible I've projected this on you, but I sense some residual bitterness.

I just like Dark Horse, they translate many wonderful series and their translations are usually top-notch. I guess I got a bit aggravated because I wanted to put things into perspective here. DH is one of the best translating companies around and it was irritating to see so many complaints, since there would probably be even more had Berserk been picked up by some other company.

Wow, I think you're fabricating the problems here. Did I say their errors were so serious that they've stopped me from buying the product? Did I say these errors were the end of the world? No, you simply read that into me at some point. I said it was a cop out for them not to translate Hanafubuku. ... Is it not?

Are we really back to square one here?  :schierke:

You think they copped out by not translating Hanafubuku and I think they made a good conscious decision by not trying to translate something pretty much untranslateable.

I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree. :serpico:

Manga Mausoleum / Re: Dark Horse Releases
« on: March 26, 2009, 06:05:57 PM »
I'm not sure you'd convince a three-year-old of the justice of your argument, which is apparently that mistakes and omissions are OK to make because people that don't know they exist will never know they're missing.

I'm not saying it's OK, just that it's not as serious as you seem to think it is.

Manga Mausoleum / Re: Dark Horse Releases
« on: March 26, 2009, 05:56:05 PM »
I don't know if I can really achieve anything by replying here. But I'll do it anyway. (Ain't that crazy!)

I enjoy berserk immensely like everyone here and would like to see the English edition done in a huge format on pristine clear paper with gilded covers (okay, maybe not those...). A 100-man translating group that comes to every day to ask for the best translations would be great too. But I try to be realistic, and realistically DH has done a good job.

Translation problems with names etc. are annoying, but they hardly ruin the manga. Even if Guts' was translated as "John" it wouldn't ruin the story. I understand that is an extreme example, but still.

People who have read Berserk translations for a long time of course have their own perfect version of the series somewhere deep in their minds and get easily irritated about mistakes. However, what I meant by a 99% authentic Berserk experience is that for people new to the series, the DH releases offer a good English version that I think successfully conveys that special Berserk feeling. That is what I think is most important.

Also, I apologize for sounding rude.

Manga Mausoleum / Re: Dark Horse Releases
« on: March 26, 2009, 05:11:03 PM »
Aaz it would be helpful if you included more information and less rudeness in your posts.

Anyway, I still think some people will never be content with any translations. This thread is full of complaints about pretty trivial things and every time a new DH volume is published more of them come in. Relax! It's just a manga!

Overall the DH releases are damn wonderful and I'm extremely happy they picked it up instead of some other company. 99% of readers (the not-so-hardcore fans) probably couldn't care less about the nitpicking going on here, and thanks to DH they can have a 99% authentic Berserk experience, which should be enough for anyone except the angriest purists here.

Of course if you really don't like the DH releases, you don't have to buy them. Just remember that for every DH release you don't buy, I'll buy two! :rakshas:

Manga Mausoleum / Re: Dark Horse Releases
« on: March 26, 2009, 03:29:13 PM »
Flower Typhoon Emperor was obviously like a worst case scenario. But it's not my job to come up with good translations. That's what we're paying DH to do.

I'm just saying that it seems stupid to complain, since there probably isn't any translation that would make you purists 100% happy.

EDIT: And do we actually have any proof that the king's proper name isn't Hanafubuku?

Manga Mausoleum / Re: Dark Horse Releases
« on: March 26, 2009, 03:10:40 PM »
I'm just happy they didn't go with some lame Knight of Skeleton type of translation. Would you have preferred "Flower Typhoon Emperor"? Or maybe you've got a better translation?

Manga Mausoleum / Re: Dark Horse Releases
« on: March 26, 2009, 02:39:02 PM »
Dark Horse's Volume 28 comes out Tuesday, March 24th. My preorder has already been placed. I'm REALLY looking forward to how they translate "Hanafubuku Oh." I'm sure it will be "Flower Typhoon Emperor" or something  :void:

Well, I just finished it and luckily they just went with "King Hanafubuku". Overall I think it was yet another solid volume from DH.

Movies, TV, Books & Music / Re: Recommendations for Manga
« on: March 25, 2009, 10:52:22 AM »
Most of these have been mentioned already, but here are my suggestions:

Vagabond: Just simply awesome.
Battle Angel Alita (Gunnm): Action with a hint of philosophy in a dystopian future.
Trigun and Trigun Maximum (actually the same series, but the creator had to change magazines, hence the name change): Cool fights and wonderfully hectic at times. Not as light hearted as the anime, which is good.
GTO: Awesomely funny series full of hilarious references to pop culture, manga and video games.
Planetes: Tells a great story about exploring space in just five volumes (well, four, but the fourth has been divided into two).

You just can't go wrong with these! :badbone:

Berserk Miscellaneous / Re: My own Dragon Slayer replica
« on: March 24, 2009, 06:19:09 AM »
This is absolutely barking mad. :troll:

That being said, good luck and please be careful. I'd hate to see someone getting injured while swinging one of those steel slabs around. I can already imagine the headlines and the fuss they'd create. I bet someone would try to get Berserk banned... Oh well, it might just add to its popularity. Proceed.

I've been wondering how Irvine actually transforms into his apostle form. The way I'm envisioning it is that a giant appendage grows out of his crotch and somehow merges with his bow to become the deer-like part of his apostle form. :ganishka:

Manga Mausoleum / Re: Why did the God Hand let SK go?
« on: March 20, 2009, 09:47:55 AM »
But aside from that, I'd like to point out that there are many posts on the subject already, some covering the exact same thing you're asking. A search might be useful before making a thread in such cases.

I actually did a quite extensive search before making this thread, but couldn't find much on the subject. I would definitely appreciate it if someone could post a link to a previous thread about this same question.

Of course. But it's only possible precisely because they're underestimating Guts and the Skull Knight. Otherwise there'd be no story.

And really, if he was truly a direct threat to them, they would have acted accordingly. But, as you can see from the outcome of The Eclipse, they're so drunk with power that they viewed that last act as more of an amusement than anything else. They certainly didn't express frustration that he'd escaped their clutches.

Yeah, I suppose this arrogance and underestimation is the reason why they didn't act. But it still seems so stupid, especially knowing that it will almost surely backfire in the future. Well, I suppose the God Hand deserve what's coming for them for being so cocky. :guts:

Manga Mausoleum / Re: Why did the God Hand let SK go?
« on: March 19, 2009, 09:33:54 PM »
They were hardly given a "perfect chance." The whole event you're referring to happened in a matter of moments. Skull Knight bursts through the eclipsed sun, attacks Void, blocks his own attack, then grabs Guts and Casca and escapes.
I'm going with Walter on this one, the whole thing happened extremely quickly and the God Hand weren't expecting it.
So, the members of the God Hand have awesome superhuman abilities but Skully's mad dash is just too fast for them? I find it hard to believe that they didn't have enough time to react.

Manga Mausoleum / Re: Why did the God Hand let SK go?
« on: March 19, 2009, 08:40:30 PM »
The God hand also compared the skullknight to a fish jumping in the water, even if it jumps the flow still goes. So they didn't care about him because greater things are coming after Griffith's reincarnation and the worlds will merge inevitably.
Well, seeing where the manga is going, I think it is very much possible that Guts / SK will thwart the God Hand's / Griffith's plans (or at least they will try). Then the flow of the river will indeed be disturbed by the jumping fish. I bet they'll wish they'd taken care of SK then. :troll:

I guess what I'm saying is better safe than sorry, right?

Manga Mausoleum / Why did the God Hand let SK go?
« on: March 19, 2009, 08:01:34 PM »
Hi everyone! I've been lurking around here for quite a while now. You seem like a pleasant bunch, so I finally decided to register. Hopefully we can have lots of interesting discussions together!

Now, I would be much obliged if we could dig out our volume thirteens and discuss the Eclipse (yes, yet again...).

My question is simply why did the God Hand let Skull Knight escape the Eclipse. Okay, Femto tried out his cool new powers a bit, but apart from that the lazy bastards didn't really do a thing to stop our boney friend. Surely Skully wouldn't have been a match for all five of them! You could of course say that they didn't regard him as a threat, but... come on! The guy's been slaying apostles left and right for a millenium and now he barges into the Eclipse uninvited! I'd say he's a bit of a nuisance to the God Hand. Yet when they're given the perfect chance to get rid of him they just don't care?

So, what do you think?

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