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Current Episodes / Re: Episode 356 part II
« on: May 23, 2018, 05:02:23 AM »
Just to be sure, the "ominous large shadow in the thicket" Sonia mentioned in the previous release was definitely referring to the Hydra correct? We shouldn't expect some other entity to still be lurking about, right?


Pure filler, even if pretty.

This is the continuation of what we saw last month, and its purpose is still the same: setting the scene of Griffith's military campaign before the story develops from here.
I get how the release schedule can be frustrating, but this is actually the opposite of filler.

Current Episodes / Re: Episode 356 part II
« on: May 22, 2018, 06:46:31 PM »
Cool to see the hydra again in any case. This guy seems like he's bigger than the one we saw in Volume 34 though, considering how tiny the Jotunn look next to him.

I think the scale is off in the first two pages. The giants should be roughly the same size as Zodd, but here they look minuscule next to the hydra.

Current Episodes / Re: Episode 356 part II
« on: May 22, 2018, 03:23:34 PM »
So maybe the thread should be retitled, then?

Yeah, but that can wait until we get confirmation directly from Young Animal.

Current Episodes / Re: Episode 356 part II
« on: May 22, 2018, 02:30:18 PM »
It's worth discussing, but far from conclusive. [...] However, 356 (15 pgs) + "357" (9 pgs) does equate to one large-sized episode (24 pgs). So it's not a crazy thought. Just a whole new ballgame.

I've been super busy these past few weeks, so I hadn't actually checked out the title of episode 356. But I just did, and it turns out the way they named it specifically says "part one". Not as in (1) for the first of a series of episodes, but as in the first part of the episode itself. So I actually do think this is really "episode 356, part 2" and not episode 357.

Current Episodes / Re: Episode 356 part II
« on: May 22, 2018, 01:07:05 PM »
Cool to see Zodd tear into the hydra. I was surprised such a creature required a triple-team of apostles to take down though. Of course, I also didn't realize it could immediately pop a new head.

Yeah I loved seeing Zodd just into the fray. Seeing him bite into one of the heads kind of reminded me of my cats for some reason. :void:

The fact the heads regrow make sense: it's faithful to the mythological depiction of the hydra. That being said I agree it wasn't a given, and it's interesting to see that a seemingly "random" critter like that requires teamwork from Griffith's lieutenants. A reminder that while they make it look easy, these creatures aren't pushovers.

Too bad about the strange shortness of this episode. From 15 pgs, which was noticeably short last time, to 9 (not including the new title page) is a bit disheartening, given that this is now effectively a HALF length episode.

Yeah it is indeed very short, to the point where the previous episode and this one could have reasonably been a single issue. That might be a compromise in order to maintain the monthly releases.

Ah, I see he brought back a Griffith classic. Stabbing people in the eye with his sword.

But with a leaping strike! Pretty cool indeed. While this episode was basically just eye candy, I have to say it was premium grade stuff.

Shootin' the Breeze / Re: New member
« on: May 19, 2018, 02:25:23 AM »
I actually think that the next Berserk adaptation should be a stand alone movie of about ~2 hours in length covering the black swordsman arc.


Shootin' the Breeze / Re: Adventures in YouTube
« on: May 13, 2018, 02:09:36 PM »
So I recently found this channel out and like it was fate, it pumps out a Berserk video.

I found the approach to the underlying themes of conciousness and form quite spot-on, even though the whole shebang with the Idea of Evil is likely not getting adressed, at least not directly.

I just watched it and I can't say that it is very good. There are several misconceptions throughout the video (including what the word "Idea" refers to in "Idea of Evil") and the author doesn't even seem to consider that some the concepts at play might come from Asia (they do).

Current Episodes / Re: Episode 356
« on: May 04, 2018, 08:21:37 PM »
Thanks! I don't think we've seen Miura's comment yet, but here it is:

Translation, courtesy of Puella: "I've finished my manuscripts. Now I'll go watch Pacific Rim!!"

Shootin' the Breeze / Re: A unique glimpse of the past
« on: May 01, 2018, 08:18:00 AM »
Oh yeah, I've seen some of these before, they're amazing.

Podcast / Re: SkullKast: Episode 95
« on: April 30, 2018, 04:31:33 PM »
Thanks Archer. There's a bunch of things in your post I would like to address, but I don't want to drag this into another long discussion so I've kept it to a minimum.

I like that Zodd was fighting on the front lines with the rest of the Apostles. I think the point of it is that he isn't acting like a "warrior," but just another one of Griffith's War Demons.

Hmm, but the "war demons" are warriors... And Zodd is a leader among them.

Based on the prophecy given to him by Sonia, I think the major conflict of his story is meant to be that of "beast vs warrior," and it will be interesting to see how Miura explores that conflict in the future.

The prophecy from episode 277 refers to Zodd and Guts teaming up to take on Ganishka in Vritannis... That's why it's shown as a flashback in the same episode where it actually happens.

As for Irvine's supposed absence, couldn't he have just been leading the company of archers which saved Mule?

The giants who were throwing rocks at Mule were killed by cannon fire, not by arrows.

And as for Rakshas, maybe he was given a temporary prison sentence

Honestly I have a hard time seeing that happen.

Current Episodes / Re: Episode 356
« on: April 30, 2018, 08:42:58 AM »
hey guys, 357 will be released in may? or a hiatus is going to happen?

In the absence of any specific indication, I am hopeful that episode 357 will be released in May.

Current Episodes / Re: Episode 356
« on: April 29, 2018, 03:50:35 PM »
I personally, had been holding off because I was nervous about diving too deep into speculation based on one tentative translation. With such little info to work with currently, every word used to describe the mystery-thing counts. Would an 'ominous od' imply something fundamentally evil like an apostle?

I haven't seen the original Japanese text, however the Korean translation doesn't mention Od. Sonia simply talks about a "large and ominous shadow", like I said several days ago.

Episode title is "Jötunn (1)", with the kanji meaning "giants" and the furigana indicating the name. It's a Norse mythology reference.

There's not much text in the episode, but Sonia chastizes Mule for not being careful enough, then she speaks to Griffith through telepathy. She tells him where the Giant King is (east of the battlefield), that there's a clear path to him, and more importantly to be careful because she senses a large and ominous shadow that is hidden in the bushes behind the soldiers.

Current Episodes / Re: Episode 356
« on: April 28, 2018, 11:00:40 AM »
Probably something smaller and more specific to the giants, but this was my heart's first desire when you mentioned something ominous hiding in the bushes...

Haha, that would be cool, especially if Grunbeld decides to go head to head with it! :zodd: But given that the giants' top dog is wearing an armor made out of dragon bones, I don't know...

Fun to think about, and another way to interpret this segment: the opposition to Griffith isn't just Guts and some inhabitants of a far away island, and seemingly the only way to counter his overwhelmingly powerful forces would be with equally powerful opposition. At least I hope so because I prefer all out fantastical warfare to exploiting an Achilles' heel, and why not both? :carcus:

Why not both indeed. I don't think we can do without the Achilles' heel to be honest (and one that Guts alone will be able to exploit), but I also don't believe Miura would deprive us of a last, enormous battle by the time the series ends.

Achilles's heel could be the demon's child spirit still residing in griffith maybe?

Yes, that's the idea.

Current Episodes / Re: Episode 356
« on: April 28, 2018, 05:52:53 AM »
Indeed we don't, but I don't anticipate a complicated explanation about their origins. Given what we know, it could very well be that such creatures have just as much a stake in this world as humans do, and always have. It's just that for 1,000 years (or more) they were shunted into another dimension that humans couldn't access. The world tree has brought everyone together again, as "nature" intended.

Sure. Maybe we'll learn some more about their origins, maybe not. What's sure is that their existence and their current presence in the same world as humans don't need any explanation.

Anyway, for all the wild speculation in the thread, I feel like we haven't really talked about what that thing in the bushes might be. There's quite a large variety of beings to choose from, so what could it be? And is it allied with the Jötunn, is it coercing them, or is it just lying in wait for some reason?

Speculation Nation / Re: Detail about the Berserk armor
« on: April 28, 2018, 05:40:10 AM »
The real question here is why are a bunch of the guys wearing top hats when viewed through Guts berserker vision?  :troll:

They're Roderick's men and were wearing hats (not top hats) at the time.

Current Episodes / Re: Episode 356
« on: April 27, 2018, 08:01:39 PM »
Maybe its the parasitical spirit trees that are spawning these astral creatures, like you say a lot of the creatures we saw just "appear" seemed to come from deep within forests in the panels of the manga. That's purely an anecdotal observation on my part, but maybe we're onto something here.

I don't think so either. The trees (most of which have been destroyed) had a pretty specific purpose and it wasn't at all related to "spawning" astral creatures. They were like a safety mechanism, syphoning power off of the World Spiral Tree and therefore preventing it from linking the astral and corporeal worlds together too strongly. They were also guarded by powerful magic users, like Flora.

That aside, there's no mystery as to why we saw astral creatures appear suddenly with the advent of Fantasia. It's because the corporeal world and the astral world were merged. These creatures were already roaming the land... in the astral world. So humans couldn't see them and vice versa. That changed with Fantasia.

As for how astral beings are created, we don't know. I've speculated a bit about it in this thread on the previous page, if you're interested, but the short version is we don't know. The only place where we've seen astral creatures being spawned so far is the Qliphoth, and that was under very special circumstances.

Current Episodes / Re: Episode 356
« on: April 27, 2018, 05:33:19 PM »
Is there another force we haven't met yet at work that we haven't yet discovered, that are conjuring these creatures from the deeper layers ? Maybe that's the strange shadow that Sonia sensed lurking in the woods behind the Giant King?

That seems pretty unlikely to me. When the Blast of the Astral World happened we saw astral creatures just instantly appear in the world (sometimes alongside a fantastical scenary). That's what the merging of the worlds refers to. Not only do I doubt that whatever's hiding in the bushes is summoning giants from somewhere else, but I don't think giants come from "deeper layers" to begin with.

General consensus is this being is whatever surviving remnants of the "Idea of Evil" Miura has decided to keep from the lost episode.

For the record, Saaken's quote of Flora is inaccurate, but yes, the Abyss is where the Idea of Evil dwells, and Flora does pretty clearly allude to it. And as a reminder the Idea of Evil also appears in episode 82.

So maybe the ultimate goal is to continue to grind these two worlds together, reaching deeper and deeper levels, until the abyss of souls displaces physical reality itself, swallowing everything. Though i'll admit something of this level would probably require a second astral explosion so the odds are slim, at least with the rules we're currently shown.

It's just the Abyss, not Abyss of Souls. Also, I honestly don't see how "flattening" the worlds so that everything ends up in the great oceans of souls (of which the Vortex of the Souls is a part) would work or make sense.

it's a possibility, but how about humans, will they be able to survive in a completely distorted reality?

Not with what Squiddot proposes, obviously.

I'm curious, have we really had a episode from Griffith's perspective since the Golden Age? It seems most are other people around him or semi-omniscient.

Episodes 181 and 183, in volume 22, feature panels where Griffith reflects internally on the Demon Child's feelings for his parents and how they affect him. Very brief moments, but they're there.

Current Episodes / Re: Episode 356
« on: April 27, 2018, 02:10:25 PM »
If I understand it correctly, God Hand and the force behind it can and want to control only humankind, yes?

Well that's just a theory. We don't actually know what their goal is. But yeah, the idea I originally put forth (long ago) was that there would end up being a conflict between mankind and the rest of the world. The Idea of Evil, the God Hand and the apostles are all created using human-based magic (evil power from "bad" human souls). There's a fundamental difference between their nature and that of elemental magic like what Schierke uses. Given what we know of the Idea of Evil's creation from episode 83 and from the nature of the God Hand, it makes sense to assume they intend to create a world where they control everything. And to achieve that it stands to reason they'd need to eradicate any potential opposing force. That also works with what we're told about Griffith and the fact Flora was a bigger danger to him than any army.

What I am curious about is if Guts is going to receive a quest from a higher being to oppose God Hand in a manner that he wouldn't decline it.  I can't see Guts and Casca leaving Elfhelm on their own just because they want it (and why would they want that exactly?), there has to be another, external thing to influence and guide them to a new thing.

Haha, Guts isn't a game character, so I don't expect him to "receive a quest" or anything like that. However I do think they will be forced on that path by external forces. Do note though that they already have incentives to leave Elfhelm and confront Griffith. Time flows differently in Elfhelm and staying there isn't recommended, and their son's fate is directly tied to that of Griffith.

This might be a good place to introduce the in-depth agenda of God Hand from the other, opposing side. I am not so sure if we are going to see God Hand now with Griffith episodes although I can see them being mentioned. What if other God Hand members do the same thing as Griffith in other parts of the world (for efficiency)?

It certainly would be cool to know more about what the other members of the God Hand are doing. Their role going forward is still very nebulous. Who knows, maybe the ominous shadow Sonia mentions is really... Conrad?!  :isidro: :iva:

how horrifying would it be to see Griffith go toe-to-toe with the Four Kings  :isidro: Although that may be a little too shonen.

Yeahhhh, I don't see that happening. Not Berserk's style and would just be lame. I would however like to see Schierke calling down that spell and see a member of the God Hand just "take it" without being too perturbed. "That's the best you got?" :daiba:

I think it's just as simple as Griffith has been destined to rule the world since he came into possession of the egg of the king. Or because he was destined, it came into his possession--however you want to view it.

Yeah, if you want to be really precise, Griffith was destined to do all this from the moment he was born because his entire being was crafted for this express purpose by the Idea of Evil. The crimson beherit was just a means for him to become Femto when the moment came, nothing more. And his role as part of the God Hand, to be their vanguard in the corporeal world, had also been decided and planned for long before his birth.

So I think Griffith's military campaigns are less a reconquista of Midland's territory, and more the final conquest of the rest of the world. And/or Griffith's victory lap since, if these giants are any indication, the battles up ahead are less a battle and more an extermination.

Agreed, although let's not forget that we don't know yet what's actually going on here. There could be a specific goal to that sortie other than conquest or extermination, for example to obtain, rescue, capture or destroy something.

Current Episodes / Re: Episode 356
« on: April 27, 2018, 08:30:27 AM »
But are you sure all astral creatures can be killed? i'm not so sure, maybe others can keep re spawning, these are ethereal creatures after all. Continuously flooded by humans subconscious.

This is a good point and one I've also been thinking about. We don't know exactly how astral creatures are created. I speculated about it on the previous page of this thread, but we don't have any hard certainties. So can they truly be exterminated once and for all, or would more of them appear over time? Hard to say, but I think part of the God Hand's ultimate goal might involve the disruption of their creation process (which I don't believe is just a matter of being present in people's subconscious).

And if as you said the objective is to let the spirit tree merge entirely with the real world, doesn't that mean that all creatures , even the ones that exist in the deepest layers will be allowed to roam around in the physical world.

It's another one of those things that's hard to evaluate for now: the extent to which the worlds have been merged and can merge. Personally I don't think that the world could really be "flattened" in a way where you'd find one of the beings Schierke summons next to a deer in the woods. There might be more "bridges" or connections though.

Current Episodes / Re: Episode 356
« on: April 27, 2018, 06:34:21 AM »
Yeah, and that's the point. He could have taken the throne whenever he wanted to and very few would complain.

Griffith is already effectively ruling Falconia, a city-state magically created in his image. The idea that there is a "throne" to "take" by marrying Charlotte is a pretty big misrepresentation of the situation.

Part of that is being a borderline religious figure associated with the Holy See.

He is not a "borderline" religious figure but a literal one.


It's "Tudor", not "Chuder". Dark Horse messed up that translation, like many others.

He obviously has loftier ambitions than ruling Midland. Which is another part of what I'm saying that you don't seem to understand. I'm not suggesting that the God Hand's motivation is to retake Midland. Their goal clearly involves influencing what's left of humanity in some way. The reclamation of Midland and other foreign nations from the creatures of Fantasia is a part of that. It gives the people of Falconia a unifying purpose and enemy through which they can be manipulated. And any peoples rescued and nations reclaimed would be assimilated into Griffith's kingdom (or empire at this point).

Strange logic. As far as we know, most of what's left of humanity is holed up in Falconia. Already united, already under Griffith's rule, already with "an enemy" that Falconia's armies are currently fighting in this very episode. There may be stragglers or pockets of survivors, but talk of "reclaiming nations" makes me think you underestimate how big of a change to the world Fantasia was.

So it would be better to say that he wouldn't be restoring Midland to its former glory, but assuming kingship of Midland as the start of something brand new.

Oh so now he's creating a new thing. But then why would it still be called Midland? The core of our argument is that I say Midland doesn't exist anymore and therefore isn't going to be "retaken". You say otherwise, but I'm not seeing any solid evidence to back it up. If Griffith were to formally establish an empire, my guess is it would be called "Falconium" or the "Holy Falcon Empire" or something similar and not "Midland".

The endgame is all of humanity under the God Hand's influence, and the creation of a new world order with themselves in control of everything.

I first theorized this about 10 years ago.

Well, like I said, the idea is to feed off of this "hope" (it would be better to call it a "sense of purpose" actually, maybe it was a poor choice of words on my part) to influence them. As in they would view the reclamation of Midland territory as motivation to do the same for the rest of the world. And of course, all of the territory they "free" from Fantasia would be assimilated into Griffith's "kingdom." So it isn't like they would want more "agrarian land" for the purpose of having land. They would want more humans to influence and territory to influence them from.

Yes, I would say it was a poor choice of words. And I also don't think this supports your assertion about Midland. That Falconia might be on a mission to exterminate all non-human creatures in the world is something I also happened to theorize many many years ago, but that doesn't necessarily mean the re-establishment of former nations. For one thing that's because there just aren't enough people left to populate them as far as we know. Another reason is that barring the construction of giant walls or the creation of apostle garrisons in every village, there would be no way to protect "liberated" outposts from raids.

How fucking cool would it be to see Guts lead an army of astral monsters against Griffiths army of God Hand apostles? I know that's a bit cheesy and over the top but man, what a series of two-page spreads that would make.  :ubik:

Well he's already got the merrows on his side. :iva:

Haha, I was actually thinking of doing that this week-end too! Good job.

Current Episodes / Re: Episode 356
« on: April 26, 2018, 09:48:22 PM »
I'd say it would be more about acquiring legitimacy than fulfilling some big part in the God Hand's plan. That's why he is still marrying Charlotte for her claim and didn't just take the throne as soon as Falconia appeared and there was no place else for his subjects to go. He is still trying to do things traditionally and legitimately because the appeal of the public is a big part of what the God Hand are planning.

I find your argumentation quite puzzling. It sounds ludicrous to me to say Griffith "is trying to do things traditionally" or that he "didn't just take the throne". Like, what? People are living in a giant futuristic city littered with Falcon imagery and Griffith rules over it like a god-king. He commands monsters. People come to watch him bring souls back from the dead at funerals. I think he's got plenty of legitimacy. Let me quote a line from Locus in episode 335, about the divine right of kingship: "the throne is given by the holy hand of God. So a random person is not allowed to covet it." That's what's going on here. The idea that marrying Charlotte is a big deal to solidify Griffith's position is simply laughable. It feels more an item on his checklist of things to have.

On that note, I would contest you on the idea that the kingdom of Midland doesn't exist anymore. Sure, it may not exist as it was before, and may have been swallowed up by Fantasia along with most of human civilization. But the idea of Midland still exists. That was why Griffith went out of his way to save so many Midland nobles and citizens in the first place. Rescuing Charlotte, saving the Midland nobles in Vrittanis, sending that dream to the children in Wyndham to save them from Ganishka's second transformation... all of this was to gain legitimacy as the savior of Midland. Charlotte herself even claims that the Band of the Falcon is now the official army of Midland, which led the charge during the war against the Kushan. That's also why he is still marrying Charlotte, for her claim to the throne of Midland, to foster a sense of legitimacy to his rule. He isn't becoming King of Falconia, he is becoming King of Midland.

Hahaha, you're really presuming a lot of things here. I'd say it's pretty factual that Midland doesn't exist anymore. Neither does Tudor or the Kushan empire. The armies fighting the Jötunn in this episode aren't Midland's armies. They're Falconia's armies. Not sure what "the idea of Midland" is even supposed to mean. As for the conflict with Ganishka... It was rigged from the beginning and had one key objective: the advent of Fantasia. Griffith saved people... so he'd have people to rule.

I feel like you're viewing Falconia in a paradigm that doesn't exist anymore. It reminds me of Locus and Mule's talk from episode 291. While Mule talks about politics, Locus replies: "This kind of trifle affairs that goes on in this world, it is meaningless already. Soon the morning will come. The true sun will illuminate the world." And of course it's exactly what happened. Falconia is not just populated by former Midland inhabitants, it has Kushans and likely people from other countries as well. It's mankind's last bastion. You see Griffith as a man who merely wants to rule an old country while he's a supernatural entity who has brought forth a new world and created his own place to rule in the process. And his goals as a member of the God Hand most-certainly extend beyond just "being king" of some place.

As for why Griffith or the God Hand would care about conquering a certain amount of land, it would probably be for the same principle as marrying Charlotte. To give his rule a sense of legitimacy by actually having all or most of Midland under his wing, as well as to give hope to the people of Falconia that the situation of the world could be fought against and triumphed over, which the God Hand could make use of to further influence them for their future plans.

That's right, the God Hand is all about giving people hope that better days are ahead! And these super powerful archdemons wouldn't want people to view them as illegitimate for not having enough agrarian land... (I am being sarcastic)

Current Episodes / Re: Episode 356
« on: April 26, 2018, 07:20:25 PM »
My own thoughts were that this could perhaps be part of a larger campaign to retake Midland territory from the monsters of Fantasia. That way, Griffith could actually have his kingdom before his coronation.

That scenario seems quite unlikely to me for a variety of reasons. I don't think Griffith intends to "retake" Midland or anything else. Midland doesn't exist anymore. I would also say that Falconia itself is enough of a kingdom as it is, and that Griffith isn't waiting on having a certain amount of square kilometers under his rule before he's OK with getting a crown. Similarly, I don't think Griffith's (or the God Hand's, or the Idea of Evil's) plans are merely to conquer a certain amount of land.

Current Episodes / Re: Episode 356
« on: April 26, 2018, 07:25:47 AM »
Something I love about this episode (and the manga as a whole) is the juxtaposition between the more natural appearances/natures of the evil creatures of Fantasia and those of demonkind. They probably didn’t pay it any mind, but I wonder what those giants thought when these surreal/Lovecraftian apostles started coming at them. Dragons must seem painfully banal by comparison.

Void's words to Griffith during the Eclipse ring truer than ever. Using evil power to take their destiny in their own hands.

And Griffith’s looking like a total badass, as usual. A part of me wishes he’d change up his strategy though, but if it ain’t broke don’t fix it, I guess.

Haha, yeah he kind of just always goes straight to the leader and cuts him down as soon as he can. Maximizing efficiency I guess.

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