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Current Episodes / Re: Episode 347
« on: September 23, 2016, 05:24:07 AM »
Great examples, and I do see what's being said here. But I don't think the Beast will actually be revealed at all in Casca's dreams, unless it somehow manifests because of Schierke's previous dealings with :beast:. Since this will be in Casca's deep suppressed thoughts and memories, I feel the main focal point of her thoughts will be of the Eclipse, since this event was the direct cause of her mental condition now.

Casca has always shown to be afraid of Guts immediately after he wakes up from the Eclipse. I don't know if it's been fully explained as to why she showed this much animosity towards him from the start, even before his consumed hatred took control of him to take aggression/frustration out on her.

Casca's initial fear of Guts didn't necessarily seem to be of him personally. According to Rickert, the only person she felt comfortable around was Erika, so it's likely her fear at that point extended to all males, or at least of people above a certain age or size range. After some time, she appeared to get better, in that she could at least tolerate his presence, but was still anxious about being in close proximity, and physical contact was still a big no-no. By the time she reached Albion, she seemed to get over most of her anxiety and only really showed fear of people and things that were trying to harm her, and after the events, had no problems with Guts whatsoever. It wasn't until Guts attempted to throttle Casca while possessed by a specter that she began to fear him personally, his treating her like a prisoner afterward fueled her resentment of him, and his attempt to rape her permanently cemented him as a monster in her mind.

While I don't for a second think we'll see the Beast either, I do think it's possible that we (and by extension, Farnese and Schierke) may see images representing Guts' attempted rape on Casca alongside or even blended with her rape at Femto's hands. Now, if they do see anything like it, I don't think Schierke and Farnese will necessarily turn against Guts. But there will be some pointed questions later on, questions that I don't think he'll be able to answer.

But I'm getting ahead of myself. Still too many ifs and buts to make a call about what's going to happen in these dark depths.

Current Episodes / Re: Episode 347
« on: September 23, 2016, 02:46:46 AM »
Oh, Miura, you are truly the face of evil. Throwing that ominous page at us after spending four episodes straight lulling us into a false sense of security with your goofiness and your whimsy and your sense of wonder...

Definitely never expected to see anything like the childish scribbles in Casca's dreamscape though. Hell, I never expected to use the term "childish scribbles" to describe anything in Berserk before. But it works! It's funny, probably the singlemost hilarious thing in these past few episodes yet, and it perfectly encapsulate Casca's state of mind like nothing else. Which also makes it depressing as hell.

You're looking into the last page too much. It's in no way the Beast of Darkness, since it only relates to Guts himself. The Beast of Darkness is used to symbolize Guts' revenge, deepest sorrows, and the immense hatred.

It has no purpose in Casca's dream whatsoever.
I'm going to echo Walter's sentiments here. The last page evokes some very recurring imagery.

Example 1
Example 2
Example 3

Images of Guts and his assault on her are likely going to be present in Casca's dreams, as are the Eclipse and her rape at Femto's hands. In her current state, she probably can't even differentiate between the two. And if that's the case, then Schierke and Farnese, the two people who arguably have the most respect and admiration for Guts, may see him perform his most depraved act yet, which so far, only he and Casca know about. As if the process of curing Casca won't be painful enough. :judo:

Ohhhhh, these next few episodes are going to be intense. Intense...and soul-crushing.

Current Episodes / Re: Status of Berserk's Pre-publication
« on: September 20, 2016, 12:39:27 PM »
If this is because Miura needs to plan out the story, draw more pages, refine his art, or whatever else, then I respect it. I'm disappointed that we won't be getting six new episodes like we did last year, but I'll take what we got. It was a great ride while it lasted, and I'll be rubbing my hands in anticipation for when it continues. And hopefully, for when Casca returns. The fact that I'm so eager for more is proof positive that Berserk has not lost its touch.

If this is a decision made by Hakusensha to be used as a marketing stunt for that shit stain they call an anime, then the anime can go fuck itself even harder than it has before. I could ignore it safely enough otherwise, but if it's having any effect on the manga, then I'm always going to feel its sting, regardless of whether or not I actually watch it.

Speculation Nation / Re: Elfhelm: the stage for the next great tragedy
« on: September 18, 2016, 12:47:34 AM »
That hasn't be specifically addressed. Twice Slan has mused over Guts becoming an apostle, even though he is branded. If it were impossible I don't know that she would keep bringing it up. Though the second time she mentions it (in the Qliphoth), it seems she is merely trying to provoke an emotional response out of Guts instead of actually seriously suggesting it.
I really wouldn't say the first instance (which I assume is during the Count's ceremony in Volume 3) was suggesting it either. She just remarked how she would "love it" if Guts "became one of [theirs]," which Conrad immediately shoots down. Personally, I don't take it to mean anything other than how she expresses her depraved lust for him. Or perhaps how she would love the irony of someone who becomes an Apostle despite (or more accurately, because) of his supreme hatred for them.

Anime Asylum / Re: 2016 Berserk TV series: Episode 12
« on: September 17, 2016, 04:53:07 AM »
Correct me if I'm wrong but i think they also cut out pieces of Farnese's childhood that explained why she was such a zealot and Serpico's past with his mother and burning her?
No, Serpico and Farnese's backstory wasn't cut. Berserk doesn't go into full detail with them until the early parts of the Millennium Falcon arc, specifically v22. The anime did include the bit with Farnese attending her first witch-burning as a child, which was covered in the Conviction arc. It just...wasn't done well. Like most everything else in the show. They didn't include any of Farnese's narration for it; they just showed a bunch of weird imagery of her throwing torches onto a fire without any context in a scene that lasted a little over 30 seconds.

Anime Asylum / Re: 2016 Berserk TV series: Episode 12
« on: September 17, 2016, 01:34:08 AM »
a lot of people on reddit are legit excited for the next season...just......why?? :judo:
That's why I need stay away from there for at least a week. I'm afraid I might punch a hole through my monitor.

Anime Asylum / Re: 2017 Berserk TV Series (Season 2)
« on: September 17, 2016, 01:32:28 AM »
Also looks like we won't get to any "Berserk season 0" that plugs up the plotholes that arose from omitting so much f from the Black Swordsman arc and pretty much everything since the immediate post-Eclipse to Guts fighting the Holy Iron Chain Knights.  While I wouldn't be looking forward to that either, it would at least be more welcome.
They already screwed the pooch on that one. They established their timeline by having Guts meet Puck and the Holy Iron Chain Knights in the same episode. There's no place to fit the missing material into anymore. :judo:

Anime Asylum / Re: 2016 Berserk TV series: Episode 12
« on: September 17, 2016, 01:02:43 AM »
Metal. Guitar. Riffs. During Griffith's reappearance. Metal fucking guitar riffs. I hated those. I hated those every time I heard them. I hated them since the very beginning. And now that they played them during what was supposed to be the most pivotal moment of the entire arc, the culmination for why everything happened in Albion, and Midland, and Kushan, why so much death and suffering was sown, a moment that was so shocking and emotional for Guts that he actually forgot about his hatred for a moment as he gaped in complete awe with everyone else, my utter disgust for them has sunk so low, that I won't be able to listen to a metal song again without feeling my blood boil for at least a month.

Now that the series has ended, it's come to my attention just how one-dimensional the soundtrack is. There's not one single track devoted to expressing quiet emotion, sadness, or contemplation. There's no equivalent to Earth or Guts' Theme. Everything is always about ACTION! HORROR! TERROR! FEAR! And this is only one of the problems it has. Truth is, this series crossed a threshold. It's no longer a case of me hating it. I'm insulted by it. I'm insulted that people that were supposed to be paid professionals thought this was acceptable to release. I'm insulted that there are viewers who think this is acceptable to watch. I'm insulted that this manga, which is so masterfully crafted in its storytelling, art and characterization, is dragged through the mud so horridly, while completely shitty shonens, moe fanservice and even hentai are given royal treatment. And that people are actually fine with this!

I was planning on saying that the best thing about this series is that it was finally over. But even that won't be happening.

So many of the series' best moments were ruined by utterly amateur visuals. I don't have anything else to say about this thing. I hated it.
And amateur direction, and amateur sound design, and amateur voice acting, and amateur cinematography, and...what wasn't amateur hackwork here?

Character Cove / Re: Berserk and Major Arcana
« on: September 16, 2016, 01:07:16 PM »
Concerning the Fool, I think young Griffith would be the best fit. While we don't know what Griffith was like as a child, what glimpses we catch of him in all his dreams indicate that he wasn't unlike most kids his age. Fresh-faced, all smiles, and with big dreams. He was a commoner, a nobody with nothing to his name. And yet one day, he left his home and everything he knew behind to reach an insurmountable goal for reasons that only made sense to him. And from nothing, he slowly built himself up until...well, we know where his story has gone.

As for the Emperor, I can see where you're coming from using Godot, but I think he's a more thematic fit for the Hermit. Taken from this site here...

The Hermit has attained his spiritual pinnacle and is ready to share his knowledge with others. He is also continuing the path he has chosen, committed to his goal of ultimate awareness.

Sounds like a pretty apt description for the old man. He learned the blacksmithing trade from a young age, and ever since then, set about perfecting his craft. Forging better swords, suits of armor, and other assorted items. He doesn't know if hammering iron is truly something he likes, but even when he grew old, even as he took up residence in the outskirts of civilization with only a young orphan he took in, he still remained devoted to it. While outwardly, he may not seem too eager to share his wisdom with a certain freeloader, he still has much guidance to offer Guts that, as you say, always gives direction to our hero.

EDIT: Aaannnd looks like you already beat me to seeing that. :iva:

Anime Asylum / Re: 2016 Berserk TV series: Episode 11
« on: September 09, 2016, 09:54:38 PM »
Another week, another soulless episode of everyone's favorite anime. As always, nothing ever feels climatic. Not Guts impaling Mozgus in midair, not Mogus rising in his new form, not Guts' final victory over the zealot, not Gut hugging Casca...nothing. Things just happen, and scare chords, metal guitar riffs, or Hai Yo start blaring in the background. And those specter globs just look hilarious; I could not stop laughing with every extended shot that featured them.

Good on them for finally fixing Casca's skin in the opening. It only took them...what, nearly three months to notice something that everyone else picked up on before the series even aired to catch that?

Current Episodes / Re: Episode 346
« on: September 06, 2016, 11:43:16 PM »

Interesting ideas, but I don't really see why Ubik would specifically want to target Guts and Casca. He finds Guts amusing, but hasn't really displayed any singular interest in him like Slan has. If Ubik were to make an appearance on Skellig, I imagine it would would likely be more of a full-scale attack on the island's inhabitants, rather than just mucking with an insignificant sacrifice for funsies.

Anime Asylum / Re: 2016 Berserk TV series: Episode 10
« on: September 02, 2016, 08:31:47 PM »
What a crock of shit. A recurring problem throughout the show is how much time they devote to the side conversations, reactions, and humorous quips that occur during every fight scene, and this episode brought it to its logical conclusion by completely drowning the actual fight in them. Hey idiots, there's a reason why Miura depicts those in small panels and lets the action take up most of his page space; because that's where your attention is supposed to be drawn. You made the first part of the climatic final battle a chore to watch. Bravo, I can't wait to see the rest! :schierke:

They altered the Beherit Apostle's conversation with Luka, and not for the better. They changed his speech about Nina, which was more personal and even a bit more humanizing, to a more generic spiel about the darkness and weakness in humanity in general, making it seem more like an angsty teenager ranting about how awful the world is rather than someone who's come to that conclusion based on actual observations. Also, cartoony anime expressions are NOT a substitute for making a deformed human, geniuses.

Besides that, the episode had the usual shit pacing, loud and obnoxious music, no proper buildup, and a complete lack of atmosphere. That last point stands out because this section of the manga had some of the eeriest imagery of all. The Beherit Apostle's "shrine," his speech to Luka and backstory, the Brand appearing in the refugee camp, the tower forming into the shape of a hand, the giant creeping masses of specters, Miura drew these to excellent effect to create a growing sense of dread. But here, things just happen, up front and out of the blue without giving you time to digest what's happening.

To be fair, I think that was just a still. But on the other hand, that just makes it worse.

Berserk Merchandise / Re: I made some Berserk tea blends
« on: August 27, 2016, 12:15:11 AM »
Not a fan of tea personally, but I have some relatives who most certainly are. I'm sure they will appreciate tea that's been damned eternally to the Vortex of Souls as a fine gift. :ganishka:

Anime Asylum / Re: 2016 Berserk TV series: Episode 9
« on: August 26, 2016, 09:44:14 PM »
Ah and I can't remember for sure, but did they actually do a flashback in the past episodes explaining who the demon infant was? I seem to recall that it wasn't the case, but I'm not 100% certain...
Nope, there's still no explanation over what the hell it's supposed to be. I have no idea what they're trying to accomplish by trying to draw it out...assuming they ever intend on explaining just what it is and why it's so fixated on Casca.

Creation Station / Re: Grail makes doodlies?!
« on: August 24, 2016, 08:15:56 PM »
You work fast. Very cool!

Current Episodes / Re: Episode 346
« on: August 24, 2016, 08:00:43 PM »
Gorgeous episode. Miura definitely had a lot of fun drawing all these European fae creatures and implementing them into his own mythology. It must have been a real interesting change of pace to fill his pages up with more fanciful-looking beings, rather than the usual nightmarish monsters he typically draws. There've always been hints that there was something whimsical buried deep within the otherwise oppressive setting, and to see them come out in full force after so long is amazing. I always felt a bit sad that I didn't start following Berserk on an episodic basis back when the Millennium Falcon arc was in its early stages, just so I could gradually take in the way the Berserk world was beginning to both change and open up, but I'm glad I get to follow along with this. No matter how deep you go, there's always more to delve into.

It does make me wonder what the purpose of this little sub plot was. I can't tell if the whole thing was just a long running joke that will have little consequence, or if this was just Miuras way to get rid of a character he didn't know what to do with (Magnifico). Hopefully there's more in store for him, but he's seemed like a very odd addition to the party for some time. Farnese's relation to him almost guarantees that he wont be left rotting in an elf dungeon though.
I don't think Magnifico's going to suffer any serious consequences. It's just another embarrassment on the pile. There's likely more in store for him, once he gets back into his element (or the closest thing to it, considering what a fop he is), which a seabound ship or an island full of supernatural beings are most definitely not.

The idea of an live action Berserk could be pretty cool, maybe it could take place in "The Black Swordsman" arc? I'm honestly not sure. The reason why I bring this up is because I found this YouTube Channel called: BERSERK Reunion Project. They have the full 1998 anime on their channel (both dubbed and subbed), but while I was there, I saw a trailer for an live-action Berserk fan film they're making. To be honest, it doesn't look horrible quality wise. Guts just has a bit weird voice. I'll link the video here. What do you guys think about this?

There's already been a topic on that.

Personally, I'm not impressed by that project, I have no hope for it, and honestly, I don't think a live-action version of Berserk would ever work. The Dragon Slayer would just look silly no matter how you cut it, I cannot think of one actor who could play the part of Guts convincingly, a series of this caliber would either look like crap or be too expensive to do well, and a movie is just too short to capture the scope of the story.

Current Episodes / Re: Episode 346
« on: August 23, 2016, 07:51:37 PM »
I have my doubts that Danan is the King. Only because of one part in episode 345, either page 4 or 5 (online scans might have different page counts) Danan greets Puck, welcoming him back from his long return off island. Pucks response is pretty much just, "Yep".

If she was the King, I would think Puck's response to her would have a lot more weight and schock to it.

Unless he's unfamiliar of Danan being able to transform.

I dunno, Puck demonstrated being rather blasť on matters concerning the King of the Flower Storm. That or just thick. Either way, if she is the King, I think a casual greeting is the kind of thing Puck would do.

Quote from: Volume 28
Farnese: Casca might be able to...?

Isidro: For real?!

Schierke: Yes. [The King of the Flower Storm] is said in legend to be a great elf king. I think there is little doubt.

Puck: Legend...

Isidro: That king where you're from's amazing!

Ivalera: Why'dya keep quiet?! A show-off like you?!

Puck: ...

Isidro and Ivalera: [whispering] He must notta known...

Current Episodes / Re: Episode 346
« on: August 23, 2016, 05:49:07 PM »
One episode, and we're introduced to a whole menagerie of new spiritual critters. Fauns, centaurs, new kinds of elves, and...other things. It's gonna' be crazy!

I wish Pucks Elfhelm conquest arc was more fleshed out, I wasn't expecting him to be taken out by Elf guards before he could confront the Elf King.
Fear not! Puck may not be able to get the throne through conventional means, but he still has Betchi. With a proper sacrifice of enough cheese, he will surely be given a body that will allow him to achieve his dream to rule Elfhelm as king!

I don't see any reason why in a societey where elves and witches co exist peacefully that an elf needs to disguise itself as a human, maybe there's an interesting reason for this.
If I would hazard a guess (emphasis on guess), whatever Danan's position in Elfhelm is (if she's not the King, it's likely a high-ranking one), she wanted to see the island's new guests for herself before meeting them proper. So she posed as a servant for the gurus, which would allow her to observe Guts and company quietly while their attention was diverted away from her. After all, nobody really pays heed to a servant, and it always worth a good laugh when they realize who you were all along :slan:. We'll see on Friday. Or...sooner, depending on when/if leaks show up.

Speaking of it Friday yet? No? Dang.

Anime Asylum / Re: 2016 Berserk TV series: Episode 8
« on: August 19, 2016, 06:54:38 PM »
I logged in to Crunchyroll. I watched it. The end. I just...didn't feel anything. It wasn't the worst episode ever, but it's still just so drab and lifeless that I couldn't even be bothered to care. Though the fact that I'm so apathetic about an episode that had not one but two notable fights in it says enough about its quality.

Other nitpicks...

  • The scene of the dungeon fell completely flat on its face. The darkness and the terrible composition of all the various depictions of torture was confusing and made it nigh impossible to see what exactly was going on.
  • Why the hell is Farnese beating the shit out of her subordinates with her sheathed sword? Why the hell did the animators focus so much time on her beating them black and blue when the most she did in the manga was just smack them?
  • Due to the colors and shading used when he got tangled up in the ropes, Isidro looked like he was naked. At least it made the scene funnier than before
  • The small torturer decided that two seconds consisting of Nina saying "Elaine" counted as a sign of reluctance on her part to help her friend. The show's pacing prevails again!

Creation Station / Re: Theoden's 3D Sculpts
« on: August 13, 2016, 03:54:14 AM »
I was more than impressed by your work with Schierke, but I'm astounded by the level of detail you put into Ivalera, despite how small she is in comparison to the rest of the model. :ubik:

Speculation Nation / Re: How do you think Berserk will end?
« on: August 13, 2016, 01:58:50 AM »
Hello there. First post.

I just wanted to ask who is eligible for sacrifice? Is it exclusive to humans or could other apostles/godhand members fit that criteria as well?

I thought that maybe Guts' new band would be killed off by griffith in the climax of the story, and with guts having no one left to care for yet still having the behleit in his possession. He could have his sacrifice be griffith and the god hand? Because they're the only people that he cares about after the death of his new friends?

Similar to how griffith was talking about guts being his anchor when he was being tortured. Guts' purpose and "anchor" after the proposed death of his new band would be the only thing keeping him going, without that he would have nothing I'd assume. So is a sacrifice only restricted to those you "love" or those you care for; whatever that means.

Maybe the god hand would laugh at the thought that they could be sacrificed, while Void looks on without saying anything, then suddenly raises his hand and fires the brands onto all of them, including himself. Because it's ultimately not up to them who gets sacrificed but to causality/idea of evil.

Although this may seem like an ironic way to win that penultimate fight. I can't help but think that it's thematically inconsistent from what the rest of the series has developed up until this point: negating several moral lessons (abandoning revenge to care for the things you have) - anger and hatred literally causing an evil god to emerge that acts as a catalyst for even more suffering.

It brings up the question of how to deal with the Idea of Evil. Maybe there's a good reason why Miura went back and omitted it? (I know he talked of it being too revealing, but maybe it was TOO overpowered in the context of themes presented).
Yes, I'm sure that the God Hand, who carry out the ceremonies and who place the Brand upon the sacrificed, will be more than happy to brand themselves at Guts' behest. And that the Idea of Evil would have manipulated events in such a way that Its own arbiters would die. That's a pretty silly and anticlimatic way to end things, don't you think?

As DANGERDOOOOM explained, a sacrifice has to be something so vitally important that to lose it is to lose a part of yourself. In pretty much all cases, it's person or persons that was very dear to the apostle-to-be. Griffith and the God Hand are not dear to Guts. They are his enemies, which as the Count learned the hard way, is a no-go.

The only exception we've seen to the typical rules was the Beherit Apostle, but he was a very special case with some very unique aspects to his sacrifice and transformation. He chose to sacrifice himself and the world he knew, but as he explains, while he hated the world, it was still something he clung to, something that still held a powerful connection in his heart. And when you ultimately get down to it, it isn't really different from all the other sacrifices we've seen, which have always been subject to conflicted feelings from the demon-to-be. The Count was betrayed by his wife in the worst way, but he still couldn't find it in himself to kill her because of his love for her. Rosine loved her parents, including her abusive father, but couldn't stand to live in that miserable home where they constantly fought. And Guts stirred up feelings in Griffith that made him forget his dream, which is what made Griffith come to resent him. Guts did not qualify as a sacrifice because he was an "anchor" for Griffith; he was a sacrifice because Griffith was still fond of him, even in his resentment.

Guts sacrificing the God Hand would hardly qualify as a sacrifice. His goal is to kill them, and sacrificing them would accomplish that goal very nicely, so it's not really much of a loss.

Anime Asylum / Re: 2016 Berserk TV series: Episode 7
« on: August 12, 2016, 06:16:55 PM »
Rushed pacing, lack of atmosphere and buildup, awful animation, blah, blah, blah. Same song and dance.

Least the scene towards the end where Guts cut through the possessed pagans was kinda' neat, particularly how the camera followed the sword. A rare moment where they actually took serious advantage of the animation medium. Too bad the heroic image of Guts and Casca's reunion was botched with their use of the crappy CG model. A shame, considering that's one of my favorite two-page spreads in the manga. And Isidro and Puck were entertaining, though that music during his attack on the pagans was stupid as hell. It sounds like something you sweat up a storm dancing to in the club, not to watch a kid stone people in a fantasy story. But then why should I be surprised? These are people who think Berserk needs to have metal guitar riffs.

Anime Asylum / Re: 2016 Berserk TV series: Episode 6
« on: August 05, 2016, 09:23:11 PM »
"What the flippety-floop is going on here?" is what I would ask if I wasn't familiar with the source material. The rushed pacing and the way everything is cut together makes it nigh impossible to follow along. The pagan orgy was really bad about this. There just didn't seem to be any transition between the moments when Joachim was stripped, had sex with Nina, was brought to the Great Goat, and chased off the cliff. How is anyone supposed to know what, how or why any of that was happening? To say nothing of how it had absolutely no atmosphere, the hallucinations were half-assed, and they screwed up the depiction of the goat in a way that made it seem as though he was a monster. They similarly rushed through the bird-masked torturer's backstory so quickly, I wonder why they included it at all. It was completely mechanical, soulless and failed to humanize him, his cohorts, or Mozgus the way it did in the manga.

They also completely flubbed the Skull Knight's scene badly. We hear nothing about the metaphor about the world being a reflection of the moon on the water's surface, or how Guts is "a fish that breaches the water's surface." These are important for understanding some of the events to come, as well as the cosmology of the Berserk world. Excellent job educating viewers in your "standalone" series. :schierke:

And what was with the goddamn credits? Do you think that just because Monty Python's Flying Circus sometimes threw credits into the middle of the show for lulz, that you can too?

Overall, while this episode wasn't quite the dysentery that the first one was, it was still a nasty case of the runs.

Well im happy they played more of Hai yo in the preview. How often did the baby actually protect :casca: in the manga? I always found those scenes kind of confusing in the manga.
We saw the child keeping the specters at bay in the scene with Casca and Nina and again during the scene with the pagans. And more later on down the line. Presumably, it was the reason she was even able to survive outside the cave near Godot's for so long.

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