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See here's the thing about this for me...Isn't Griffith in a human body?  Similar to Jesus Christ who was simultaneously completely human and completely divine.  Jesus had the full human existential experience while being a deity.   That's why I refer to Griffith/Femto as separate entities -  because Femto(God) does not possess a human body while Griffith(Jesus) does indeed - essentially two parts of the same being.  I may be reading into this incorrectly, but with Griffith being a prophesized mesiah I thought the parallel couldn't be ignored.

I used to have this misconception too... But nothing in the series really bears this out.  It's likely that your own culture is influencing the way you're interpreting it. The current Griffith is Femto in a human suit. That's it. There's no Jekell and Hyde thing going on where personalities are changing, or where one is evil and the other is not. Femto is just clever and playing the hero and into everyone's hopes. If you read his parts again, you'll notice that at best he's simply distant and untouchable in personality. Magnificent to the point of being inhuman. Never outwardly friendly, more just polite. He's a devil in angel's clothes.

They're all still indubitably evil though. That's a defining trait for each of them.

I do think buttonmasher has a nuanced point on whether or not the Apostles are capital E 'Evil.'  Some undoubtedly are such as Wyald, and the Snake Baron. They seem like sadists who do all they do for the enjoyment of screams and others suffering. But we've also seen apostles help fallen human soldiers while they fought Ganishka, get angry at the death of human comrades, and rescue refugees from astral creatures. The relationship between Irvine and Sonia seems to bear this out.

By their very nature, they all have done unforgivable things to become an Apostle. But I don't think Miura is painting with so broad a brush to preclude a level of redemption for some of them. And that's not me wanting it to be true, we see the hinting of this throughout the series. And this may be related to the resolution we see between Griffith and Guts. I'm not expecting forgiveness or apology, but like all things Miura has done so far, there will probably be a bittersweet component to it.

Anime Asylum / Re: 2016 Berserk TV series: Episode 3
« on: July 15, 2016, 05:39:16 PM »
Some decent ideas in this episode...executed poorly. The Apostle looks like barely any effort went into it, and all the fighting is off screen with blood and body parts flying into frame. The sound track and sound effects are terrible as usual. The apostle has an interesting, if hard to follow back story at least. And Farnese's possession is confusing as hell and awkwardly executed in an erotic way.

And then Credits roll over Guts and Serpico exchanging blows.

It's bold of them to to include the horse into here though.

Anime Asylum / Re: New Berserk Anime for 2016
« on: July 13, 2016, 06:50:23 PM »
At least we now have a scapegoat to pin the blame on. I wonder how much truth there is to Miura being a big part of that first episodes writing. Because that thing is a mess when ever it tries to do anything original.

Anime Asylum / Re: 2016 Berserk TV series: Episode 2
« on: July 11, 2016, 02:39:02 PM »
Stumbled upon this.  A panel / shot comparison between ep 2 and the manga:

The effort is definitely there, it just feel like they have a super low budget to achieve it. And no one handling sound or music. :judo:

Berserk Miscellaneous / Re: Happy Birthday, Kentarou Miura
« on: July 11, 2016, 02:37:03 PM »
Happy Birthday to our favorite Artist / Writer.

Anime Asylum / Re: 2016 Berserk TV series: Episode 2
« on: July 08, 2016, 07:07:33 PM »
I was pleasantly surprised to find out this didn't totally suck like the last episode. The visuals are all over the place, including flashbacks that vary a lot in quality. The colors are a bit too vibrant for my tastes and as Aaz said, a lot of the nit picking probably comes from a super low budget. The sound continues to be average to bad, with one of the worst dub step remixes of the movie score I could have imagined. I continue to stress what dog shit this lazy 'score' is and how much it hurts the experience.

However it's a pretty faithful adaptation of these episodes with only and handful of omissions and changes. I agree with Aaz on most of these, but I don't mind Farnese's detective work as it does two things for the show (I know blasphemy). It catches up new viewers or old viewers who need a refresher (it has been a while), and it gives Farnese a little bit of competence to add more conflict to the scene. She knows something about him but is drawing all the wrong conclusions. Overall I liked the scene.

The show continues to have flashbacks throughout, which I'm speculating may continue. We may get to see the Black swordsman arc in a series of flashbacks, showing the journey he's been on. That might be frustrating to have it in abridged form, but it would at least connect the dots.

It strikes me that even if we don't have a black swordsman flashback, a new viewer could watch the first episode of the old anime with the Snake Baron before the first of the new one, and it would fix a lot of my problems with it. But then again, we shouldn't have to come up with creative solutions for the studios screw ups.

A last note, it's weird that they still haven't introduced Puck's healing ability. It seems like something you'd want to establish early on here.

Anime Asylum / Re: New Berserk Anime for 2016
« on: July 08, 2016, 06:32:49 PM »
whoops. I guess I missed that posting of information in the thread then. My apologies everyone I thought it was new information.

No worries man.

Anime Asylum / Re: 2016 Berserk TV series: Episode 2
« on: July 08, 2016, 02:37:53 PM »
And I don't see any reason why Farnese should know about the Band of the Hawk/Falcon other than cheap fan service.

I believe this is using the films continuity, in which case Farnese, Azan, and Serpico would have been at the Celebration where the Armistice between Midland and Tudor was announced and the Band of the Falcon were elevated to peerage. Not manga canon, but it makes sense if they are using the films.

Manga Mausoleum / Re: Volume 38 Release
« on: July 08, 2016, 01:35:13 PM »
An interesting new ad for the new volume:

Anime Asylum / Re: 2016 Berserk TV series: Episode 1
« on: July 02, 2016, 05:10:38 PM »
It's a sad state of affairs when the Golden Age movies blow this out of the water. As much as they omitted and the liberties they took, it still felt like Berserk, and had the right style and tone between the art and music.

And I'm the type of guy that doesn't need an adaptation to 100% conform to the source material.  I can get behind shortening or abridging a story for pacing or timing contrainsts as long as it's done well. And like I said above, parts of this were clever like bringing Isidro in with the bandits. Introducing Schierke alongside the H.I.C.K.s as they learn about the Eclipse.  Totally fine with this stuff to introduce all our main players. The Brand episode was mostly handled well.

But the rest? Horribly done. The tree was ridiculously shoe horned in and for almost no point. As if that was the most memorable part of the Black Swordsman period. It's just tacked on to the skeleton fight. Guts also apparently starts a bar fight because he wants water and whiskey and didn't want to wait in line. What? And we don't even get a sense of what Guts is off doing. He seems to be just wandering around without any type of quest for revenge.  He's a hardcore camper who beats the shit out of anyone between him and his rabbit dinners. And the H.I.C.K.s are after this heavily armed hitch hiker for... reasons.

I cannot stress enough how fucking awful the music is in this it completely kills it for me. If you thought the piano during the Eclipse was bad, wait until you get a load of this power guitar and bastardized chopped up movie score in in appropriate places. It's like they had a 13 year old music director who just tried to make it 'badass.'

The sound design was equally bad. The same CLANG noise over and over, even used when the sword isn't hitting skeletons. I swear there where skeletons hitting trees and making a clang noise. If this is what we can expect from fight scenes, we better expect disappointment. At least the Golden Age gave us halfway decent battles without turning Guts into some Dragon Ball Z character cutting through time and space with his strikes.

Plenty of people are mentioning the art as horrible, and while it's not great, that doesn't bother me as much as what they are doing to the story and characters. I can take subpar art any day as long as you tell a good story. But it just adds insult to injury when the adaptation is this bad and they animate it like a pachinko game with 'edgy' sketch filters on to hide their laziness.

Maybe we can hope for them to improve from here on out if they just used this clumsy episode to stitch the Golden Age to the Conviction Arc. That would be unfortunate but not horrible. Lets just hope 9 episodes to deal with the Holy Iron Chain Knights, the Tower and Mozgus will be enough, and not feel like this. But I have low expectations.

Anime Asylum / Re: 2016 Berserk TV series: Episode 1
« on: July 01, 2016, 05:59:59 PM »
Ok, very brief thoughts first, more to come.

I was ready for a rushed adaptation, but some of the choices just ruined this.

The music absolutely killed several moments in here completely. HORRIBLE choice to go with cocaine riffs on guitar, totally pulled me out.

Why add the tree, and make it humongous, just to kill it in a way that makes it look like Guts is cutting through space and time. WTF! The skeletons were enough. In fact, it was a fairly good adaptation of the brand episode.

The opening with Farnese and Schierke was good.

Rolling Isidro into the thugs at the beginning worked for me as it fits his character that he's trying to learn how to be a better swordsman.

The animation is bad but I'm wiling to overlook that if they can just get the tone right without crazy guitars and shitty patchwork plot choices.

It seems really early to introduce the Holy Iron Chain Knights. As a viewer I don't feel like I'm on Guts side yet and we're jumping right in.

It feels like there is promise here but some really bad artistic decisions. Not looking forward to the torture of the entire conviction arc in under five hours. Are they actually going to try to complete the entire series in one season?

Creation Station / Re: Berserk: Over the Years
« on: June 30, 2016, 09:38:15 PM »
This is awesome!  Great contribution! I love the way it's organized as well.  :ubik:

Podcast / Re: SPECIAL: Join our 2016 TV Series launch party
« on: June 30, 2016, 07:48:46 PM »
I like the idea of this and will try to make it.

Skype Name is Sean.miller5000

Podcast / Re: Skullknight.NET Podcast: Episode 76
« on: June 27, 2016, 07:56:28 PM »
Thanks for this guys. Really great breakdown. 

Something you guys mentioned about the 'Gallery of Dreams' made me speculate on what we might see. We'll almost certainly see a series of Casca's memories, including the Eclipse, and her previous time with the Falcons.  Do you think we might get a montage of memories we haven't seen before from the Golden Age, similar to how we recently had Guts boyhood arc. This could be done to re-frame the way we look at some characters such as herself, Guts, and Griffith? It seems like there's some opportunities to use this beyond simply curing her.

Also do you think Farnese might try and sabotage the ritual so that things remain the same so that she 'has a chance' with Guts?

Current Episodes / Re: Episode 344
« on: June 27, 2016, 05:14:33 PM »
Two small mentions.

I think it's an interesting art choice for Ged to make him look old without all the detail Miura usually puts into older characters like the Pontiff, the King, or Flora. He's almost cartoony.

Second, we can finally dispel with the conspiracy theory that Puck is the Elf King.

It's all about tone and reasonableness. I've had plenty heated discussions about controversial topics that the series doesn't specify one way or the other. It's all about backing up your claims with evidence and listening to the other side. It's not about winning an argument it's about having a better understanding of the series for yourself and others.

Current Episodes / Re: Episode 344
« on: June 23, 2016, 08:51:38 PM »
Agreed. One thing I was telling Gobolatula the other day is that I'm not sure many people realize what a historic time in Berserk this is. Not that every episode isn't awesome, but we're really at a pivotal moment in the series, more so than the Eclipse was. What is happening right now will set the story on a trajectory towards its ending. Those who thought volume 24 was an incredible expansion of what we know of the Berserk world should probably hold on to their seats because volume 39 will not fuck around.

Yeah no kidding. I've often thought the amount of hiatus's have had something to do with this too. Whatever choices Miura makes here are going to really affect the direction the story takes from here on out. And it's not very predicable at all as all the various speculations for the last decade have shown. So it makes perfect sense that he'd take his time to get it right and really outline what direction he wants to steer the ending to, and how he wants to handle Casca regaining her sanity, a conflict we've had since VOLUME 13!  So yeah, as Skull Knight would say, we're approaching a 'Temporal Junction Point' for the series.

Another thing I was thinking just now, prompted by what Schierke says she felt when she saw the plain with the tree. We were never told anything about her origins. We don't know how Flora came to take custody of this green-haired girl. Some light might be shed on this in the coming episodes as well.

Too true. We know she wasn't Flora's daughter, and they were both pretty isolated out there. I guess I always assumed she was some type of orphan that Flora took pity on and decided to train. Have we really ever discussed the green hair aspect of her character? I had always just assumed it was a fantasy thing and style choice by Miura, but perhaps there's more to it. The only other person we know of with 'unnatural' hair is Isma, and she has mixed blood.  Could Schierke be from Skellig? I guess we'll find out.

Berserk Miscellaneous / Re: Berserk Musou (PS3, PS4, PC)
« on: June 23, 2016, 08:04:41 PM »
Just imagine if the final battle was against all the Ganishka Spawn. That would be utter chaos, and epic as hell with Ganishka lumbering forward in the background.

Current Episodes / Re: Episode 344
« on: June 23, 2016, 08:02:04 PM »
I already answered that twice in the thread. They are not implying that it has been a short time, just voicing their disbelief that he'd left the island instead of, I don't know, dying or hiding out or something. It's not specified. And the old man greets Puck by saying "it's been a long time".

Now even putting that aside, keep in mind that Puck and Judo had met before the Band of the Falcon was even a thing. So Puck has been away for several years at the very least, and for all we know he's been roaming the world for 30 years. If it had been so short a time, that'd mean 5 years would go by everyday or something, which is simply untenable from a storytelling perspective. So please ease up on that front guys, we'll get there eventually.

Gotcha. That makes sense. I must have read what you had wrong earlier. Still, great episode!

Current Episodes / Re: Episode 344
« on: June 23, 2016, 06:34:52 PM »
This is such an info dump! It feels like when the party went to Flora's mansion. And I feel like the best is yet to come in the following episodes. Can't wait to get the implications of the current world laid out by King of the Flower Storm.  Perhaps we'll even get a confirmation on the Moonlight boy's identity (at least for the party).

And then theirs the ritual to restore Casca. Might this happen in the next several episodes? We'll see.

But back to this episode, Aaz, are you sure the mention of the other Spiritual Trees being attacked is something that was going on off screen before the world merging? The mention of time flowing much faster outside the island seems to be recurring, and the witches seem to be referring to it regarding Puck as well. Maybe I read Puella's translation wrong, but aren't they asking if he really left since it didn't seem like he disappeared for that long?

It doesn't change the fact that the Trees were attacked, but the stakes would certainly be upped if every moment they are there Griffith is tightening his grip on the mainland.

FeebleCurse you're not really helping your case here. This comes off like a temper tantrum and gets worse with every personal attack and insult thrown at the mods, when it's clearly the community who is down voting based on your tone or refusal to back up your claims with specific references from the manga. The mods here may seem tough and strict on accuracy, but they've been following this series for almost fifteen years and been discussing and analyzing it nearly daily. Just look at the post count. And they back up their 'opinions' with specific evidence and take exhaustive time to respond point by point to people to prevent misconceptions that just confuse new comers.

And there have been plenty of misconceptions out there preceicely because people don't correct them. Stuff from poor translations, or speculation run wild. Guts being a son of Zodd or Elves, or the Beast of Darkness being distinct from Guts, or Mozgus being an Apostle, or there being a real Dragon from Godot's story, Griffith not caring about his comrades... This stuff runs wild, and it affects peoples interpretation AND enjoyment of the story. 

No one's being unfair to you. Make some quality posts and you'll get upvotes. Promise.

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Current Episodes / Re: Episode 344
« on: June 22, 2016, 07:59:13 PM »
WOW! Tons of stuff is happening. It's great that the King of the Flower Storm lives in a Cherry Blossom Tree the size of a building. Very appropriate and iconic. It'll be interesting to see what this gallery of dreams entails. 

More interesting though is this news that the Falcon of Light is attacking Spiritual Trees all over. This seems like more than a reference to Flora's mansion. Could their time on the island already be moving them past events happening elsewhere? Is some type of purge happening outside? The fact that the witches thought Puck was gone for just a day or so, seems to back this up. But time will tell.

Thanks for the fast translation Puella! And thanks Aaz!

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