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Speculation Nation / Zodd = Gaeseric ?
« on: December 09, 2003, 08:17:37 AM »
I'm reposting this from another thread, this location makes more sense

Is it just me or does Gaiseric's helmet look like a composition of both Skull Knights helmet / face, and Zodd's face?  Spooky...What if instead of only Skull Knight becoming a member of the Godhand, he never actually did, and he and Zodd have fought over the privledge for the last 1000 years?  Whomever kills the other gets to become an actual part of the Godhand...until then, they're both pseudo-Godhand, pseudo-Apostles? :-X   Oh yeah, is there an actual timeline with specific dates that anyone knows about?

I never noticed until I read this post, but what happens if you put Gaeseric's skull mask on Zodd's face? Maybe I'm crazy. They seem to have similar hair, not that means anything. But the beast on Gaeseric's mask does kinda resemble Zodd's apostle form. Maybe Gaeseric isn't the Skullknight we all know and love, but rather Zodd? Oh I'm gonna get flamed for this one.





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Manga Mausoleum / Re: Gaiseric's Tale
« on: December 09, 2003, 08:14:48 AM »
 Is it just me or does Gaiseric's helmet look like a composition of both Skull Knights helmet / face, and Zodd's face?  Spooky...What if instead of only Skull Knight becoming a member of the Godhand, he never actually did, and he and Zodd have fought over the privledge for the last 1000 years?  Whomever kills the other gets to become an actual part of the Godhand...until then, they're both pseudo-Godhand, pseudo-Apostles? :-X   Oh yeah, is there an actual timeline with specific dates that anyone knows about?

I never noticed until I read this post, but what happens if you put Gaeseric's skull mask on Zodd's face? Maybe I'm crazy. They seem to have similar hair, not that means anything. But the beast on Gaeseric's mask does kinda resemble Zodd's apostle form. Maybe Gaeseric isn't the Skullknight we all know and love, but rather Zodd? Oh I'm gonna get flamed for this one.




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Speculation Nation / Skullknight's free time
« on: December 09, 2003, 07:31:18 AM »
It seems that Skullknight has a good number of Beherits in his possession, or in his belly. I would assume that he has slain a large number of apostles in the process, but we don't seem to see Skullknight actively battling apostles. That could just be a result of how Miura is presenting the story of Berserk, or maybe Skullknight doesn't sully his hands anymore. Or maybe he isn't allowed to intervene? Although he has in the case of Guts. If he has been battling apostles for this long, almost 1000 years if he is Gaeseric, I would expect there to be fewer apostles. Or maybe Skullknight didn't begin hunting until recently?

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Current Episodes / Re:chapter 231
« on: December 05, 2003, 08:18:07 AM »
You are just another flamer that has nothing actual to add.
You are just a parasite to this thread.
Being retarded is acceptable, a parasite is not.

What I added was that you are an idiot, your ideas are stupid and are not plausible. Griffith most likely is not controlling undead possessed soldiers, they are an army of apostles. APOSTLE ARMY. Stop being a dipshit and give up on your stupid idea. You're beating a dead horse.

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Current Episodes / Re:chapter 231
« on: December 05, 2003, 04:41:22 AM »
This thread is terrible, furthermore, xechnao you are leading the polls for biggest retard

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Current Episodes / Re:chapter 231
« on: December 05, 2003, 01:30:56 AM »
I think that the Gaiserick staff legend ain't made as to be something exactly repeated with each minor detail. It is about an Emperor which united all the land or had the whole land under his command and power for a moment. Eventually it is the same thing.
Ganishka says:"I am the one who
rules the greatest territory on this Earth. I will not give it away. Even if it is smeared with blood and has become dirty. This world is mine. I will become the devil to reign over this unclean world"
Ain't this Gaiserick's stuff?

no

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Shootin' the Breeze / Re:Kill Bill
« on: October 19, 2003, 10:23:46 PM »
THe high blood pressure truly reminds me of Berserk.

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Current Episodes / Re:Episode 229
« on: September 30, 2003, 05:24:14 AM »
amazing

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Speculation Nation / Re:Old Skully and Void Thoery with Page Numbers
« on: September 16, 2003, 05:32:12 AM »
I was unclear. My apoligies.  My hypothesis is that the Four Kings existed as purely spiritual entities, and that one and only one of them fused with the wise man to become Void, making Void's initiation into GodHand the first. As a sacrifice, they laid Gaiseric's empire to waste, as it probably had meant something to the wise man. However, I hold more with the other legend about five angels descending on Midland to destroy Gaiseric's empire as it would leave four remaining spiritual entities to fuse with those chosen at a later time by Idea to be his generals. The four (or five) of them each had seperate identies apart from the humans they merged with to become GodHands, Idea merely chose certain humans to fuse with them either to ensure their loyalty to him or to strengthen them in some way. After all, without humanity, where would Idea be?

There is no evidence to suggest something like that.

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Speculation Nation / Re:Griffith and Guts.
« on: September 15, 2003, 10:06:37 PM »
As far as Griffith and Guts go, I don't believe that Griffith ever told Guts he didn't want him anymore. He just wanted to see if he had any lingering feelings, aparently he doesn't. He may not have any lingering feelings, but he might have some new ones, considering Guts is his father, but I doubt it. Now to answer your question, I'm quite confident if Guts said he has let go of the past to Griffith and didn't care that Griffith betrayed him, Griffith would take him back, Griffith might stay on guard, but Guts is an asset to any army. The offer that Griffith made to Rickert probably stands for Guts too. However, Griffith probably realizes that Guts would never accept the offer.  :o

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Speculation Nation / Re:Old Skully and Void Thoery with Page Numbers
« on: September 15, 2003, 10:02:33 PM »
Also to adamh, I think it could have been the Four Cardinal Kings... why would they do that ? I think you base your thought of these Kings being well-intentioned, but I don't think they exist for either evil or good. Plus, Void could have summoned them to destroy Gaiseric's totalitaristic empire, what was probably not a bad thing.

You are right. The Four "Angels" may not have any allegiances to any side, good or evil. I feel in a way, its hard to even judge Idea as good or evil, Idea being the collective will of humanity...Someone mentioned this before in another thread. If there is a manifestation of all the negative thoughts of man, couldn't there be a manifestation of the positive thoughts? Perhaps my understanding of Idea isn't perfect. Also, does anyone think it is possible that Idea has been good in addition to evil in the past? Once again I'm assigning an alignment to things that may be neutral, but does anyone see that as a possibility?

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Speculation Nation / Re:Old Skully and Void Thoery with Page Numbers
« on: September 12, 2003, 07:40:19 PM »
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Fact: Four Angels descended upon the Kingdom... (v10c6p122-123)
They were sent to punish Gasaeric, and the King disappeared.

Regarding your theory. Who are the Four angels who descebd upon the Kingdom and punish Gaeseric?  When I first read that in the Manga, I was like, Oh its the Godhand minus Femto. But based on your theory, which I agree with many parts of, this isn't possible because the Godhand hasn't been "born" yet. So who are they? From what I know about Berserk mythology this points to the Cardinal Gods of the Vatican. There are 4 of them, and they have been referred to as the Kings of the World. At least in the character section. If this wiseman was a magician, I can see how he would have the ability to summon these Gods, like Schierke can. But why do they help him? Is this wiseman Void? And if the descending of the Angels lead to the creation of the Godhand and Idea, why would the 4 Kings be a part of it? Or were they? Too many questions.

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Character Cove / Re:Was Femto in the right all along?
« on: September 11, 2003, 11:19:59 PM »
When I say the whole is greater than the individual, this is what I mean. If you have to die to save the world, you should die. Thats all I mean. But I am a communist, right out of Korea. Not really, but I'll kill you. Not really.

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The way he said it, he clearly wasn't trying to "prove" that he was.

I was mocking him. Hey I'm God. :o Did you know that?

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I, though i cannot prove it, disagree. I believe most or all of the hawks would've died to save griffith in battle, therefore crushing their own dreams only to save him.

I also believe any of the Hawks would've died to save Griffith, for the reason that their dream is nothing without him. If they have to die, at least protect the dreams of your comrades.

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and what I was trying to relate to in my other posts is that if the members of the Hawks are willing to die for his dream, then I dont see why the way they die would make a difference in they way we look at this fact.  This last statement of mine is what frees me into believing that his intentions AND his actions are not evil.

Consider the episode in the manga where Guts and Casca are having the bonfire of dreams discussion.

Casca: It's true, each might have small flame and gather together. A small flame is easily put out. But if you join with a strong flame.
Guts: That flame is Griffith.

I will contend that the members of the Hawks are willing to die for Griffith's dream to protect their own. Without Griffith's strong flame, they are once again individual flames, that are easily put out. In battle if a small flame is extinguished, the strong flame is still there to keep the other ones alive. If they are all slaughtered, there is nothing for them to protect. Unless part of the Hawks' dreams involved seeing Griffith become a demon king, I cannot see how being sacrificed is the same as dying in battle for Griffith. They were willing to die for Griffith's dream....and that of all their comrades.

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Character Cove / Re:Was Femto in the right all along?
« on: September 11, 2003, 05:55:37 PM »
I think my beliefs are more valid because I think I am a person in the light (granted I could be full of myself) and its quite obvious that there are people who are still facing the wall.

You did an excellent job of proving that you are in the light. I am in awe of your brilliance.

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But the truth of the matter is, aside from Guts, all of them would have died in battle for Griffith to get his dream.  Just beacuse they didnt die the death they wanted, doesnt change this fact.

That is the point, they all would have died in battle for Griffith. But why are they fighting for Griffith? It is not only for Griffith's dream, it is to see their own dreams out. Griffith's dream is a bonfire that strengthens the possibilites of their own dreams. They are fighting in battle to gain something, its a risk they are willing to take. If they knew that there is no chance at all that they were going to live to see their dreams, I really doubt they would have anything to do with Griffith.

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If the Band of the Hawk die in a battle field or in a field of demons for Griffiths dream, the statement is just that they are dying for Griffiths dream.  Do I agree with Griffith? Yes.  If I was Griffith would I make the same choice? Yes.  Is what Griffith did moral? No one on this entire website can say.

No one can say huh? You certainly seem to say something. Hold yourself to your own standards. Don't ask a question if the only answer you are looking for is your own.

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What I meant by right or wrong is that I have talked with a lot of people that say Griffith is immoral for making the desicion he did, and I always thought it in the right.

Let me ask you a question, did Griffith betray his men? I'd like to see you prove to me that he didn't. I will view betrayal in most instances as WRONG. If you think betrayal is good, great. He didn't betray his dream, but that is his dream. No one else's.

I don't even hate Griffith, at this point I'm playing devil's advocate.

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Speculation Nation / Re:Zodd and Guts
« on: September 11, 2003, 02:08:49 PM »
Pies grow out of windowsills? :o Ok, I think Zodd saved Guts because he knew that Guts would be important for the Band of the Hawk to have won the battle. Griffith probably could've taken Bascogne. Hmm, I wonder what Griffith would have done had Guts died at that moment. Another possibility was because he respected Guts' ability as a fighter and didn't want such a powerful warrior to die because his sword broke.

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Character Cove / Re:Was Femto in the right all along?
« on: September 11, 2003, 07:03:37 AM »
Here is the thing about Causality. I'm still quite hung up on it. When Causality is referenced in regards to Berserk, it isnt the same as causality as what I just looked up on dictionary.com right? Is Causality the principle that all things must happen and will happen for a reason? And that this is in turn is all guided by Idea? Thats kind of the same thing as fate right? And if that is the case, then what Griffith did, was the only thing that Griffith could do, because that was what was supposed to happen? Causality is crazy.

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Character Cove / Re:Was Femto in the right all along?
« on: September 11, 2003, 06:38:32 AM »
That is also possible. What do you disagree with? Hmm, after rereading my post, I am completely wrong about the following, my argument that Griffith took the easiest way out. I'm sure that was a hard-drawn decision for him to make, its been awhile since I read volume 12-13.

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Character Cove / Re:Was Femto in the right all along?
« on: September 11, 2003, 05:48:46 AM »
Griffiths actions werent selfish, his actions were for the sake of his dream, and they have always been like that.  Furthermore, I dont think any member of the Hawks would ever think Griffith would choose them over his dream, so saying he has selfish actions is quite irrelevant.

As far as hero's are concerned, its pointless and a waste of time to argue over it since everyone has their own definition of a hero.  You (adamh411) regard Guts as a hero because of his fighting skill.  I regard Griffith of a hero because of his determination.

Listen clown, don't accuse me of being unable to see abstract thoughts, because none of your ideas are very abstract to begin with in the first place. If you want me to 100% agree with you it isn't going to happen, and this is my opinion. If you look at Guts' leadership qualities, and the fact that he puts himself on the line for those he cares about, that is why I view Guts as a hero. And as far as determination goes, no one is more determined than Guts. Now, if you don't think killing 1000s of men for your own dream is selfish, I don't know what is. It's not like his dream is the same dream as millions of other people. It is HIS dream alone. Do you honestly think what Griffith did was the RIGHT thing to do? By most morale standards, the whole is greater than the individual. If one has to die to save the lives of thousands, that is usually a given. To be fair, Griffith hasn't really done anything evil since he has become Femto besides raping Casca. So far in his reincarnate form he is same old Griffith, fighting in a war. What Griffith does with his power is his own decision, but according to Schierke I believe, he is the hawk of darkness leading the blind white sheep to their doom.

-Edited cuz even I don't agree with myself

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Shootin' the Breeze / Re:some guy made guts in d20 rules
« on: September 11, 2003, 02:48:44 AM »
Yeah, well obviously guts should have a +6 Piss Jive Dagger, with a resistance to claustrophobia. And how could they not give him a Versmillion Capajack? Seriously guys, that's just sad. Now if it was me, I'd give him a Smookar Zweidyer of Ultimate Crushing +14, and then maybe some JibJob. At least a TTD99 jibjob, too.

hahahaha

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Character Cove / Re:Was Femto in the right all along?
« on: September 11, 2003, 02:38:02 AM »
Being so driven, being so focused on one dream, and being better than any man at everything (aside from Guts at fighting), this man put his entire life into working for his dream.  And not just hard work either, what he did was unparalleled by any other person at the time period (as we know).  I think when he sacraficed the Band of the Hawk at the eclipse, he was getting what he had worked so hard for.

Given Griffith's circumstances, it is very easy to sympathize with him. The tools he has used his entire life to achieve have been ripped away from him in an instant. From Griffith's perspective what he did was not wrong, because these men were willing to die for him anyways. But these men, did not stand still and give their lives up while being slaughtered by Griffith's new "family". Griffith's ambition was unwavering, except for one instance, which is why he did what he did. However, his actions were selfish and destroyed the lives of thousands of men, and the lives of those intertwined with them. Could there have been another way? I feel Griffith could have easily said, "No, the cost is too great. I will find another way to achieve my dream." And this is where Griffith fails the "hero" test. It would have been much harder and taken much longer, but I feel that Griffith would have been able to find a way to get better, and maybe even fight again. And seeing now that in the world of Berserk there is magic and lots of things like that, I certainly see it as being within the realm of possibility. And that easily everything could have been different. I can sympathize with Griffith, simply because I would do the same thing in his situation, but what he did was still reprehensible. I'm glad he did it though, cuz the story woulda gotten really boring. You contend that Griffith was better at everything than any man, except for fighting with Guts. I will contend that Guts was not only his equal but also his superior. Guts ability to think his way through a battle is amazing. His fighting ability is second to no human, and is above that of many non-humans. He himself has become a monster of some sorts. I would like to see what Guts could do with his own army.

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Speculation Nation / Re:Dowfall of gaiseric: not the creating of a god hand
« on: September 10, 2003, 10:20:22 PM »
The idea of two Godhands is interesting. The "other" hand of God is a cool concept.

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Shootin' the Breeze / Re:some guy made guts in d20 rules
« on: September 10, 2003, 09:25:27 PM »
I wish I knew something about D&D. I've played some crappy MUDs in the past.

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Speculation Nation / Re:The Bastard Son of Fate
« on: September 10, 2003, 09:21:09 PM »
Im not just grabbing at straws here, but if we disagree that you cant compare two characters based on trademark traits, then our arguements are lost on eachother (adamh411)

We're all grabbing a lot of straws. I just have a lot of faith in mine.

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Speculation Nation / Re:Chapter 228
« on: September 10, 2003, 06:44:55 AM »
The sword has some magical properties, I think, that should help. Aim for the belly of the beast. Thats what I would do.

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Character Cove / Re:serpico
« on: September 10, 2003, 01:34:17 AM »
I don't think you understand her character very well. She is extremely shy, just like Guts and Casca. Only the threat of loosing everything she loved or being possessed caused her to act out sexually in the presence of others. She is not a temptress by any stretch of the imagination. Just a lonely, frightened girl who either isn't aware of her sexual power or doesn't find it important in relation to what she needs.

Sorry to squash the penthouse fantasy.

I was half-kidding. And when I was thinking about Guts being tempted again by Farnese, I didn't mean like before when she was possessed. More in a, look I'm a girl, attractive, and not insane, sort of way.

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