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Berserk Miscellaneous / Re: Misconceptions about Berserk
« on: July 02, 2017, 08:09:37 PM »
How would you explain this phenomenon?

The simple answer is that those who have stuck around here truly love the series. Adding to that, Miura is a smart enough writer to keep us interested and guessing over close to 2 decades. That's a pretty incredible feat in and of itself, given how time and life can not only change people's tastes, but also the space in their lives reserved for following an irregularly released episodic series.

Even with that, I don't think SKnet would still be around if we hadn't adopted a more strict guiding principle than other sites. Having seen how every other Berserk community has risen, fallen and disappeared, I really wouldn't have it any other way. Even from the very beginning, I wanted a place where I could expand my understanding of the series, which usually came from talking about Berserk with people who had been reading it for a while. Even now, that's why this forum exists. 

SK.net seems to be a safe haven compared to the other websites and forums (which are, well, basically, "cesspools").

I think what makes SKnet different is that we don't really entertain what we perceive as false notions. We try to correct people when we see these things -- politely at first. This is an important principle to us because if you let groundless notions persist, they can muddy the waters of people's understanding of the series. We see it to this day ("Guts is outside causality because he was born from a corpse/mom was raped by an apostle" seems to be a popular notion these days), though there's admittedly less of it, I think, than in years past. Our strict adherence to facts and plausibility of ideas really angers some people.

But apart from simply being inflamed by a rejected idea, I think friction often arises because people want to be involved in online forums for different reasons. Some may just be looking for a place to hang out with other fans who also happen to like the series they do, and float different ideas that they have. But often this doesn't come from a place of communally building their knowledge and understanding of the series. They are just compelled to voice their thoughts, like it's diarrhea they have to get out now now now. And when we complain that they just shit all over the house, they're angered we don't appreciate the fine aroma.

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Movies, TV, Books & Music / Re: Twin Peaks Returns
« on: July 02, 2017, 11:56:05 AM »
That image did a fair job of unconvincing me of all that text  :badbone:

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Movies, TV, Books & Music / Re: Twin Peaks Returns
« on: June 30, 2017, 07:35:35 PM »
Yes, I agree with that too. We will soon enough anyway (I hope lol). But the "process" of the egg/creature/first host is really fucked up (for Twin Peaks I mean), I wasn't expecting something like that.

It does seem incredibly involved for an origin story, instead of what could have been: "they're powerful and evil so they can just manifest." Lynch doesn't seem like the kind of guy to create rules for things, but here we are!

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Movies, TV, Books & Music / Re: Twin Peaks Returns
« on: June 30, 2017, 07:17:32 PM »
Yes, I also thought about about S2 finale while typing my reply to your quote, but yeah, you got what I meant. ;)

I know that this episode is focusing a lot on BOB but what if they are misleading us and the creature is MIKE ? The size of the egg, etc... it's too different to be BOB's one in my opinion. Also... look at the "egg" with BOB's face coming out of Evil Cooper, it looks the same as in the vomit. I mean, the woodsmen didn't removed a creature from his body, they removed the same object.

Could be, I guess. It just seems like an awful lot of time to focus on the birth of NOT the main villain.

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Manga Mausoleum / Re: Volume 39 release
« on: June 30, 2017, 06:50:14 PM »
Took the time to scan the posters. The Sovereign one is truly amazing, like I said before it seems he's made progress since just last year, as evidenced by the more natural integration of various layers, and the more realistic forms he's creating with his tools. Less to say about Guts, this time. Same techniques on display thereT as we saw on the Vol 36 cover.

 


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Berserk Miscellaneous / Re: Berserk voice acting
« on: June 30, 2017, 06:16:26 PM »
Figured this was the most appropriate place to post this news (since I wasn't sure if it warranted its own thread).
https://youtu.be/WbTd4o4ZH-M

"Statements like this, along with the incredibly long hiatuses have made many question Miura's physical and mental health"

Many what ... many morons? This is such a ridiculous reasoning. Miura doesn't plan every detail out years in advance, and he takes breaks. Add it up — PERHAPS he's insane or incapacitated! Why even include rumor-monger stuff like this along with the other primary source material? I guess I should be happy they didn't bring up Idolm@ster?

Despite that portion, it's good overall. But I think they dipped their toes a little too heavily into riffraff commentary. Interviews with Miura? Great. But who cares what the 2016 or the 2011 animation people have to say about things? Their involvement with the series is tangential at best.

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Movies, TV, Books & Music / Re: Twin Peaks Returns
« on: June 30, 2017, 05:08:05 PM »
Rewatching that scene, I remember it but I forgot about Jeffries pointing at Cooper and saying: "Who do you think this is, there?".
You're right about that... it all make sense now !

It made sense by the time of Fire Walk with Me too, since we already knew by the time of the S2 finale that Evil Coop had possessed Good Coop's body. It just makes EXTRA sense now.

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The question is: who did she became the host of ? The egg that hatched looked like any other that we could see inside "Mother"s vomit, while BOB's one showed his face clearly and was way bigger.

I saw this confusing some others too, but to me I mean -- who else would it be? Bob's was the only face we saw in that cluster of eggs, even though his "essence" looked a little different.

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Movies, TV, Books & Music / Re: Twin Peaks Returns
« on: June 30, 2017, 03:37:07 PM »

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Current Episodes / Re: Episode 351
« on: June 30, 2017, 12:55:33 PM »
Also, what make you think Guts don't identify his fœtus form through the brand as well as Casca?

Guts has never been shown to drop everything and seek out his child when it appears. Only Casca does. It's likely a combination of her possession of the brand and her motherly instinct — juiced up due to the brand. I'd also wager that her non lucid state of her mind aids her in this manifestation of the brand's extrasensory powers, but it's never been explicitly addressed, because Casca doesn't talk... You just have to use context clues to figure some things out.

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I agree with all that. What I don't agree with is that Casca recognised her son in Griffith through her brand specifically.

Casca's only extrasensory medium is the brand. She's not a magic user. She only knows what she feels. So when she senses something supernatural, it's always going to be via the brand. So at the Hill of Swords, when she sensed Griffith's presence, it would have caused her some pain. But not just that. If it were just the pain associated with the God Hand, then what would make her want to seek it out? However, she did know what her son felt like, from her previous encounters. So, it was a combination of sensations, which you can pretty much read on her confused face as she gets close to Griffith, reaches out to touch him, and reels back in pain. None of that makes any sense if it's just the God Hand presence she feels. She'd simply run from the pain, not seek it out.

The other end of that sensation can be seen pretty clearly in Vol 36, when the Boy appears on the solitary island. Casca gets a flash of a sensation (that only she detects) and knows to seek out the boy. Again I'll reiterate — Casca's only extrasensory medium is the brand, but she's particularly attuned to the sensation of her son, because she is its mother.

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Manga Mausoleum / Re: Volume 39 release
« on: June 30, 2017, 01:11:34 AM »
On the preview page for Volume 40, no time frame is given for its release. If you'll recall, Volume 39 was teased in 38 with a "coming 2017" page, which was more than we'd ever gotten in the past, in terms of a longterm schedule for Berserk. This time though, much like volumes in the past, it just says "乞う、ご期待!" Roughly translated as: look forward to it!

Slightly disappointing, but it's not as if these ad pages are set in stone.


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Movies, TV, Books & Music / Re: Twin Peaks Returns
« on: June 29, 2017, 12:22:50 PM »
While we're making callbacks:

The fancy table where Mike places the ring in Ep 3 is the same table in Fire Walk With Me, where Cooper has his talk with the Man from Another Place, who asks him "is this future or is this past?"

Also in Fire Walk With Me, we see the woodsmen in the "room above the convenience store," (which also features flashes of light) all of which featured prominently in the latest episode. In the same scene linked above, we see the same telephone pole (same numbers on it), at the scene where the boy was killed.

In another Fire Walk with Me scene, Philip Jeffries points at the real Cooper, asking the group "Who do you think this is, there?" Which is likely an allusion to the scenario we're in now, with evil Coop inhabiting his body, and Jeffries is lost in time.

Which is all to say that despite the seeming incoherentness, this is a pretty well planned series.

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Berserk Miscellaneous / Re: Berserk: The Flame Dragon Knight novel
« on: June 29, 2017, 12:31:58 AM »
I would really love to know the story of Zodd
Who the hell said that.I would like to see it in the manga  written by Miura

Alert: You're in the novel thread.

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Berserk Miscellaneous / Re: Berserk: The Flame Dragon Knight novel
« on: June 28, 2017, 07:31:22 PM »
I'm personally not interested in reading the back story of every one of the main apostles within the manga, I'd kind of prefer that stuff be off to the side and only consumed if/when you choose to do so.

I'm eagerly awaiting a more thorough summary once those capable have the chance to put the time into this thing.

I'm not really sure what to make of your opinion. You seem to want to know about the origins of the apostles, but just not in the manga? Why...? Have they been obtrusive to you in the past? I think that Miura's kind of a master at compressed storytelling when he puts his mind, using just a few panels (Rochine), a few pages at most (Count, Ganishka) to convey what could have been volumes of information. There's no reason he can't, and won't still, do that in the manga moving forward.

If I'm playing devil's advocate, maybe your concern is that as the story propels forward, with so many apostles still on the stage, the story would be slowed down by a series of flashbacks, so that they'd be executed in a perfunctory manner. Well, I'd just say I don't think there's precedence to have that concern, given how the backstories have been laid out in the past. I think Miura is going to space out his big fights in keeping with these characters.  Novels or not, killing Locus, Grunbeld and Rakshas in the span of a handful of episodes in some cataclysmic fight wouldn't be very satisfying, I don't think.

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Site & Forum News / Re: Working on a Mobile Theme
« on: June 28, 2017, 03:14:48 PM »
I had to take down the mobile theme today, due to it causing several errors. It's an outdated theme. I hope to replace it soon.

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Movies, TV, Books & Music / Re: What are you reading?
« on: June 28, 2017, 01:09:16 AM »
I'm half way through the OVA series and i love it, it only gets better and better. I'm curious, how do you like the english translation/adaptation from VIZ? I know that there is probably no way to check the accuracy but how do you feel about the release itself?

I'd call it a little unbalanced, overall. The dialogue sometimes feels unnatural, which could be the fault of the writer, but then there are these portions where the translators clearly got to play a bit with the similes used to describe the destruction of space warfare. I like that stuff, even if it's almost predictable at times.

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Manga Mausoleum / Re: Volume 39 release
« on: June 28, 2017, 12:52:11 AM »
Second I really like the poster of the Sovereign of the Flower Storm, I think it's one of the best illustrations in recent memory.

It really is pretty incredible. He's made quite a bit of progress in the year since the we first saw his digital colored work. The hands of the sovereign look lifelike.

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Berserk Anime / Re: 2017 Berserk TV Series (Season 2)
« on: June 28, 2017, 12:42:50 AM »
Can't believe how much I got shat on in the reddit when this shitstain's first trailer came out and i was like Uh Oh these animators, cant animate and these sound designers can't sound design. Hate to get  satisfaction from such a collective hate from the fanbase now

Dude, no one cares about your victory lap around anonymous Internet straw men on a completely different site. Grow up.

But dammit it brought new fans, which I can't comprehend but it did?

Why is it hard to comprehend? It's a new anime. It got headlines, carrying the name Berserk to more people, and it reignited activity in wayward fans. Naturally it's going to attract a few more people than it would if there were nothing, even if the subpar quality eventually caught up to the collective perception of the adaptation (it was a slow burn in that direction for most casual fans). The net was always going to be a positive for the overall series, because the manga quality ISN'T shit, and people stick around for it. This is the entire reason this garbage we had to endure even exists.

Now for some numbers. The latest sales figures we have pre-date the 2016 anime. However, Berserk gained 5 million readers worldwide from July 2015 to Feb 2016 (from 35m to 40m), which is a pretty significant gain for that brief time frame. Note that this growth was documented before the launch of the anime, but during the window of time that it was announced -- a testament to the hype built around the series from the mere announcement that a new anime was coming.

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Berserk Miscellaneous / Re: Berserk: The Flame Dragon Knight novel
« on: June 27, 2017, 02:30:58 AM »
Found 2 spoiler sets and combined them(that's why I edited for a more accurate version). Regarding the blood: it's the way it was written(グルンベルド自身も命の危機にさらされた時にグルンベルドの血でベヘリットが発動。).

Whew, crisis averted then. It sounds like the summarizer simply put emphasis on the wrong thing. That text says he was bloody AND dying,  which is consistent with  how Beherits function.

Would you mind posting the full Japanese text summary, for posterity?

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On the sacrifice portion I guess Grunbeld didn't want to sacrifice his family initially but they saw it as the only way out of the dire situation and convinced him to do the deed.

Grunbeld begrudgingly became an apostle in order to exact some righteous revenge? That's not very evil, particularly if the sacrificed were "willing." Something is off here... And the "family" are the ... Girls, you said? If they were sacrificed, then why is Sigur's body visible on the page where Grunbeld is an apostle? It'd have been taken by the Vortex upon her death.

I'm still willing to bet the original summarizer is simply off the mark here on the details, but it's an unpleasant feeling.

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Movies, TV, Books & Music / Re: Movies you've recently watched
« on: June 27, 2017, 01:22:07 AM »
BTW, now is a good time to recommend to me a movie, because the next one I see will seem like a fucking masterpiece

Curve ball: Sneakers.

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Berserk Miscellaneous / Re: Berserk: The Flame Dragon Knight novel
« on: June 27, 2017, 12:01:02 AM »
Female soldier friend is called Sigur(has feelings for Grunbeld), black-haired girl is Benedict and male soldier friend is Edvard(has feelings for Sigur).

Basically:

Edvard is encouraged by their jealous king and the Tudor general to betray Grunbeld, this throws their family(the girls) in danger. Grunbeld finds himself in mortal danger when the Beherit activates with his blood. The first 4 God Hand appear and he sacrifices his friends(they were willingly sacrificed). The apostle Grunbeld eats Edvard, burns the Tudor general to ashes and then goes after his king.


Thank you. Podcast prophecy fulfilled.  :badbone:

Also a few things seem off about the description here. It's unclear to me whether you copied this summary from elsewhere, or you read it and summarized the book yourself (in which case, bravo!) -- I just hope Fukami himself didn't get this stuff wrong...

* Beherits don't activate with blood. They activate when their owner is at their most desperate moment, responding to "the crying/wailing of the soul." Blood is often present on the Beherit incidentally, but there are instances shown where no blood is present and it activates anyway (namely, the Count).

* Beherit-apostle aside, calling something a "willing sacrifice" is anomalous, to say the least.

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Current Episodes / Re: Episode 351
« on: June 26, 2017, 08:05:33 PM »
I'm surprised no one is talking about what the monsters in this episode suggest: that Casca is probably not going to want to immediately resume any kind of romantic relationship when she's restored

Speaking for myself, that's always seemed to be the direction of things -- the sum of her traumatic experience and forced advent from the dream/nightmare world would be an aversion to Guts in some capacity. But indeed, the phallophobia evident in this ep presents a more visceral challenge for EVER engaging in an intimate relationship again.

That being said, the key to your phrasing is "not going to want to immediately resume." Miura can't keep these two apart from each other, given the momentum of the entire series. So rather than a "break-up" upon her awakening, I expect a cooling off period, during which the girls will give her companionship and she maintains a distance from Guts. But where will Guts' head be during this time? It may be natural for readers to conclude that Casca will eventually return to him, but it might not be for Guts. He's put all his chips on Casca for all these years. What will that rejection, even if it's ultimately temporary, do to him? The harrowing part of the restoration process is only beginning...

I expect the Sprite to play a key role in this. Either as the force of hope and will to live within Casca (opposite the part of her that wants to stay like this) or as the "fully restored" version that they'll have to confront after gathering the last fragment

I think it would be interesting if the sprite was able to show this traumatized, trapped Casca a peek at life in the wider world since the trauma began (if the sprite is even a vessel for memories, and not merely a representation of an aspect of per ego). Just like the memory fragments that compose the "doll"'s body showed visions of the past, the sprite could harbor visions of Guts fighting for her, her child, Griffith, and all the conflicting emotions of all three of these elements. Could it be enough to turn the tide for Casca and accept a return to reality?

As if it weren't already obvious, this is a BIG fucking event for Berserk and the future... More significant to the story and its trajectory even than Fantasia.

It's been made clear they're facing actual danger and I frankly have no idea how they'll get through the memory of the rape. Would Danan be able to shield them from the worst of it? Schierke's so young, and Farnese's mental resilience isn't the strongest...

The memory of the Eclipse has been a literal threat hanging in the sky for this entire sequence. It's almost a relief that we're getting a 4-6 month reprieve before Miura finally drops the blade onto our necks. The idea of Farnese shielding Schierke from that trauma is great/painful. This hypothetical predicament you've concocted is forcing me to take sides — which character do I want LESS traumatized. The obvious answer is Schierke, because fuck that'd certainly be a "gloves off" moment for Miura ... But Farnese has come so far, it would be disheartening to see her permanently scarred, yet another victim of the trauma of the Eclipse.

Though as you allude to, there are other possibilities -- Danan protecting them, Guts/dog going down for the count (what would that mean...?) -- I almost wouldn't want an external force in this instance. Schierke and Farnese should bear the cost of this process if there is one to be paid. I almost feel like some counterstroke for this process would be ... grimly appropriate. Perhaps it'll be something simple, like Guts' white tuft of hair, while also serving as a lasting reminder of the cost of their journey.


A parting thought, I am eagerly anticipating how Miura will choose to represent Femto in this world. I can't imagine it will be a straight-up carbon copy of the being, but some monstrous depiction. I can't wait.  :femto:  :magni:

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Berserk Anime / Re: Would you give studio 4C another chance?
« on: June 26, 2017, 06:10:33 PM »
The fundamental problem with those movies wasn't the technical ability of the animators. It was how they never understood what made Berserk "Berserk." The whole trilogy is tone deaf. Compare any scene with how the '97 anime portrayed things, and the difference is obvious. One is in keeping atmospherically with the manga, the other is a fucking mess made by people who merely went through the motions of an adaptation.

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Berserk Anime / Re: Would you give studio 4C another chance?
« on: June 26, 2017, 04:59:28 PM »
Absolutely not.

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Movies, TV, Books & Music / Re: Twin Peaks Returns
« on: June 26, 2017, 04:58:08 PM »
Another thing, which I think might be too obvious to point out, but do you think the fact that the frog creature is a mix of a frog and a locust like in the plagues in exodus has any relevance?

I think a Biblical reference would be weird for Lynch, personally. I think he might just like the unsettling nature of the creature in general. For me it reminded me of the "baby" in Eraserhead.

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Movies, TV, Books & Music / Re: Twin Peaks Returns
« on: June 26, 2017, 04:34:40 PM »
It's definitely similar, but I meant he actually shot that in the same location he used for Club Silencio (http://i.imgur.com/wE4bL2D.jpg, http://i.imgur.com/2U3I8Pt.jpg). The radiator set from Eraserhead was built inside the Doheny Mansion.

Oh! Well then!  :isidro:

If anyone hasn't yet started on the History of Twin Peaks, this two week break might be a good time to get into it (I'm still working on it myself, but am already seeing some connections).

I've got it on audiobook, but I had to stop listening around the time that I realized an hour of my life had disappeared while listening to the love and laments of Big Ed Hurley.  :schierke: I need to soldier on and finish it, but I can't say that it's been a fun endeavor so far. Lots of background on bit characters that I honestly don't care about, and even though it's written by Mark Frost, often the character portrayals feel off to me. The mere idea of Cooper using a typewriter to write about the background of his friends, and keeping it hidden for the Bookhouse Boys to find later was just.... what the actual fuck? Hawk writing a "ballad" about Ed and Nadine? Is this shit for real?

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Gob and I were discussing the significance of the "birthing" of Laura Palmer's soul (or so it's heavily suggested in this episode). I'm still not sure how I feel about the idea of Laura being produced as an anti-Bob measure. I always liked the idea of Laura just being an ordinary girl faced with unspeakable evil. Anyone else have thoughts on this? Please tell me it gets better, because I'm drowning.

I feel like Laura was an ordinary girl who didn't become who she was meant to be until after her death. She seems pretty significant in the Lodge, now.

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