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Character Cove / Re: Zodd & Guts
« on: August 09, 2001, 07:55:27 AM »
gaming? I dont play many games these days actually. If anything, Ill get a round or 5 of Street Fighter Alpha 2 every couple of days with Cronus where I promptly whoop his ass with Dan, isnt that right Cronus?

Anyways, about 186. Next week is a little bit weird. Classes start here on thursday, which is the day I normally would go down to pick up the chapter...so Ill try to pick it up on wednesday, a day early, but if that doesnt work out...if might not be until sunday.

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Character Cove / Re: Zodd & Guts
« on: August 08, 2001, 07:44:23 PM »
;D Sounds more like a fanfic than a theory?

Don't get me wrong, its for reasons like these that I started my own Fanfic, Gaiseric. It gives me room to throw in ideas I thought would be really neat, but beyond the shadow of a doubt, arent going to happen.

We need more evidence before we can refute your theory...but we also need more evidence to support it...

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Character Cove / Re: Gaiseric, the Creater Theory
« on: August 19, 2001, 11:37:26 AM »
See that would work, but thats the PREDICTABLE ending.

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Character Cove / Re: Gaiseric, the Creater Theory
« on: August 07, 2001, 12:50:55 AM »

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Perhaps was Void to destroy all members of the "old" Hand of God...



Perhaps indeed but...whats the motive? Why? Gaiseric had plenty of motive to kill off 4 god hands if they were sent down to destroy his empire (even if they were indirectly responsible since it was directly caused by Voids 'sacrifice')

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Character Cove / Re: Gaiseric, the Creater Theory
« on: August 06, 2001, 03:13:57 AM »

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Gaiseric never was a God hand. That his treatment of his people led to so much negative energy, that Idea, and God hand were created to destroy Gaiseric, and his empire.


Its a damned good idea, but seriously...Creating a spiritual entity to counteract a corrupt politician? I think its more that the people were driven into depression/poverty, and so they prayed so that something, ANYTHING would change. The real clencher is the "how" of it all, if 1000 years ago was the 'first'.

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Character Cove / Re: Gaiseric, the Creater Theory
« on: August 06, 2001, 12:04:49 AM »

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 That assumes Gaiseric was ever reborn at all, which we don’t know.  


the fact that the 1000 year rebirth eclipse occured with Griffith, and that Gaiseric's empire was 1000 years ago is not a coincidence.

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Character Cove / Re: Gaiseric, the Creater Theory
« on: August 05, 2001, 07:27:19 PM »
Wow...At first I thought this post was way too out there. But not anymore. I think you have a good direction here, Griff. This would explain, somewhat why the Crimson Beherit is also called the Egg of the Conqueror, and it also gives Skully a LOT more motive for the destuction of God Hand.

However, and this is a big however: when we are introduced to Gaiseric in volume 10, he is out conquering the world. It seems as though he is already "reborn" at this point. Scope his armor in it. Also, directly after his 'conquering' he gains an empire, and rules it, forcing the citizens to build an enourmous 'capital', that in the brief glimpse we get of it, looks something very similar to Griffiths 'kingdom' that he desires. Now, another thing thats normally overlooked is the "wise man" who prays to god that is introduced in volume 18. It is he who Gaiseric imprisoned, and eventually does the actual summoning. Assuming that the wise man is Void... (which we assume because it makes sense that Gaiseric/Skull Knight would hold a grudge against him) Lets take a step back and look at the big picture again.  A crimson summoning can only occur every 216 years. Gaiseric is entered into God Hand, gets reborn, rules...216 +/- years later, Void is born and brings the house down on Gaiserics empire.

Because of Gaiseric most likely being a God Hand reborn at the time of the creation of his empire (hence the parallel to Griffith, and the 1000 years theory) it goes without saying that Idea, and God Hand existed before Gaiseric.

The big clencher of this theory, and why we shouldnt ignore it is that we dont yet know exactly what happened at the end of Gaiserics rule. As events go in these things, they parallel. Gaiserics empire and its fall will mirror Griffiths empire and its fall. What happened directly after God Hands intervention in Gaiserics empires fall? Why is Skully who he is? What is he trying to accomplish? If you follow the 216 year policy, It could be assumed that Gaiseric destroyed 4 of the five God Hand, leaving only Void. Hence, 216 years later Slann/Ubik/Conrad is born, and eventually meets with Griffith/Femto.

WOW...

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Character Cove / Re: Griffith / Femto: One in the same?
« on: September 02, 2001, 12:21:31 AM »
Good call brutha. However, I think I have some answers. Well, theyre not definitive, but they are good assumptions.

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1.Why didn’t he kill Guts?

Perhaps even a God Hand can only tamper with the plans of Causality so much...If you know what I mean.

Thats all I have to say. Good call, Griff.

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Character Cove / Re: Griffith / Femto: One in the same?
« on: September 01, 2001, 11:29:53 PM »

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What's the matter with you and femto, you always keep saying he's gone, while all he did was turn into a thing that looks and acts a little bit like a guy named griffis

Perhaps (its still not proven, so don't act like it is, and neither will I) but regardless, I was responding to this:
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As the series has progressed, I'm curious as to how Griffith will react to his new body, if or when an reapperance of Femto will happen,

Which treats Femto like hes a completely seperate entity whos taking a piss in the spirit world while Griffith walks around on earth. Which is not the case.


So...NYAAAAA  :P :P :P

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Character Cove / Re: Griffith / Femto: One in the same?
« on: September 01, 2001, 06:10:16 AM »

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if or when an reapperance of Femto will happen

Femto is gone.

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Character Cove / Re: Griffith / Femto: One in the same?
« on: August 31, 2001, 08:28:06 AM »
My standing is still my old point, the new Griffith is Femto's god-like existence, powered by Griffiths dream, and fleshly is Guts and Casca's child. Its a character that is still Griffith, but is a NEW griffith.

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Character Cove / Re: Griffith / Femto: One in the same?
« on: August 27, 2001, 04:47:48 PM »
I dont doubt that Void knew something. That panel in volume 13 is very eerie indeed. However, this does not imply that the information we know about God Hand or Idea (expressed through their own dialogues), is false.

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Character Cove / Re: Griffith / Femto: One in the same?
« on: August 27, 2001, 04:26:07 PM »
I highly doubt that everything Miura bases the spine of God Hand on to be on the pretext of a lie. They have no reason to lie at all. They are Gods, they manipulate Fate. Why should they have to lie? Plus there has been no evidence that hints that they are lying.

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Character Cove / Re: Griffith / Femto: One in the same?
« on: August 27, 2001, 02:14:55 PM »
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the question i will have to raise, then, would be what is the purpose of griffith's destiny? The path set by Idea and the Godhand is to guarantee that people would have negative emotions and desires -- therefore the path the ensures the existence of idea.


As stated in my speculations section  ;) Wells sorta. You have a different take on it than what I said in there. What I was getting at is that humanity would experience the whole spectrum of emotions, but really strive (unconsciously) for the "short happiness, long HELL" ending.

I think Griff has a 'plan' of sorts. He HAS to have followed the cource of events here, much more than we have. He was a God Hand you know. As Griffith said before, I think Miura (and consequently, Griffith) are 10 steps ahead of us.

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Character Cove / Re: Griffith / Femto: One in the same?
« on: August 26, 2001, 09:22:00 PM »
Check out volume 10 during the escape from the Tower of Rebirth. Charlotte sacrifices herself to save Griffith. It has a very strange effect on him. It infers that she meant more to him than just a one-nighter. I think Charlotte means more to Griffith than even he, himself knows.

Plus, Charlottes 'advisor to the throne' title is up for grabs (according to volume 17) so Griffith would technically be the real man behind the scenes if he were to be accepted at that role (which im sure Charlotte would choose, once she finds out hes alive). Its the perfect way to sieze power. The apostle army could still be used to battle off the Kushan/Tuda forces when they arise to some sort of opposition.

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Character Cove / Re: Griffith / Femto: One in the same?
« on: August 26, 2001, 10:25:52 AM »
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I really look forward to it as well, probably the most powerful moment in the series we can be sure is going to happen, I can’t wait to see what he feels when he sees her again.

-Griffith

Guts....What did you get? I.... -THE END-

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Character Cove / Re: Griffith / Femto: One in the same?
« on: August 25, 2001, 12:34:52 PM »
......thats not what I was driving at AT ALL. Notice the lack of emotion in Femto, and the Emotion in Griffith Reborn.

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Character Cove / Re: Griffith / Femto: One in the same?
« on: August 25, 2001, 12:32:27 PM »
How cleverly you ignore my post.

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Character Cove / Re: Griffith / Femto: One in the same?
« on: August 25, 2001, 12:04:54 PM »
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You must remember that when Griffith became Femto, his humanity was killed. You can't regain that.


Femto

Griffith Reborn



Or can you?



PS: Stop the name calling.

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Character Cove / Re: Griffith / Femto: One in the same?
« on: August 24, 2001, 09:18:48 PM »
sorry. I didnt mean _JUST_ a human incarnation. I meant that....well shit it was a broad generalization, I apologize.... YOU KNOW MY LOVE FOR GRIFFITH!!! I dont need to explain myself ;)

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Character Cove / Re: Griffith / Femto: One in the same?
« on: August 24, 2001, 04:51:42 PM »
Olivier, Correct this if its wrong (its from fansubs)

"Until now you were the dream called Griffith. Soon, you will awaken and no longer will you return to that dream" -Slann.

Griffith ceased to be, and Femto took his 'place' so to speak, in the spiritual world. Then, Femto was reborn into the flesh as 'Griffith'. But technically its just a human incarnation of a God Hand, so its not exactly 'Griffith' so to speak. Though, we dont know too much about the new Griffith to say it outright, I dont think hes the same anymore.

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Character Cove / Re: Mozgus
« on: September 02, 2001, 03:48:02 PM »

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Only if he was a God Hand. :-/

But he gave BIRTH to a "god hand".

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Character Cove / Re: Mozgus
« on: August 27, 2001, 03:27:25 PM »

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None of the others that the Egg-Apostle changed did that, did Mozgus get some special treatment (could the Egg-Apostle, being Beherit himself and all, create “true” Apostles as well as just spawn)?
-Griffith

I think youre looking at it too deeply. The goat-apostle wasnt a true apostle, but it fought and resembled one. Though it only had one form, it cant be compared to Mozgus, because Mozgus change was gradual. First he had wings, then he had fire breath, then he had a complete metamorphosis. I also think it had to do with Mozgus devotion.

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Character Cove / Re: Mozgus
« on: August 27, 2001, 02:46:44 PM »
Mozgus is actually convinced that he is the people of Albion's saviour. He is obcessed with the Vatican and believes that when he was 'changed' by the Beherit-Apostle that he was blessed by God.

In his own twised way, he IS the saviour of Albion. He fights back against the Demon horde in volume 20 with his "GOD BREATH" and fights against the Black Demon (Guts). He also put the witch Casca to the fire, a proper end to a heretic.

So yes, Hes just a crazy priest. Hes not evil in my opinion, but that just gets into semantics, and its not something thats a yes, or no answer.

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Character Cove / Re: An Idea is just an Idea (Part 1)
« on: September 09, 2001, 09:32:13 AM »
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1. God must be eternal. By that I not only mean that it cannot end, but that it cannot have a beginning either. So it really must have always just existed. Another way of putting it would be to say it was infinite.  

2. God must be limitless in every way by which I mean it must be all-powerfull so that it will be able to do, see, and hear all.

3. God must not be constricted by the dimensions of space. If it was constricted by space it would have a physical form and so would be liable to mortal issues such as pain and death etc. In other words God must exist in a plane other than our realm.

So...do you know any Gods?  ;) Seriously though, the above points seem to be composed from some Judeo-Christian beliefs. A god does not have to be all-powerful, nor does it not have to have been born. Technically, God is fiction. It can be whatever the writer wants it to be. Ever read Sandman, by neil gaiman? Gods are born and die constantly (but in the end,a god cannot die as long as there is still faith).


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...there is no evidence to suggest that Idea actually manipulated anyone or anything. There is also no evidence to suggest that the much talked about causality principal exists either

Well, no there CAN'T be any evidence. It is highly suggested. end of Volume 8, Guts leaves Griffith. Volume 9, Guts meets Skully and Skully says: "A gear has started to turn..." soon afterwards, Griffith plummets into despair, which leads ultimately to the eclipse. All (well...most) things in Berserk lead to other events. Causality DOES exist, or else it would not be spoken by beings like God Hand and Skully. I think as far as Berserk authority goes, they are the 2 forces that definately know what theyre talking about.
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But this stance makes two huge assumptions: The first is that causality even exists; and the second is that it is possible to exist outside causality.

Well, you are forgetting that Idea manipulates Causality piece by piece. Not even God Hand can grasp the full 'plan' of causality. Also, you are not taking into account the variables here. Guts is 'too strong' for Causality to wipe him out. I know that sounds crude and really lame, but so far its been proven true time and time again.
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No matter what time must always start at A and end at B. Now we can only make two assumptions of how time gets from A to B. Are the events in between simply random moments which have no effect on time and the journey from A to B? Or is each individual moment a link in a chain of events that culminate at B?

First of all, I really dont think that Einstein's theories apply here, even though what youre talking about is really a basic idea: that either fate is eternal and omnicient, or fate is non-existent. However, fate in Berserk so far has been rather wishy-washy because fate exists for the endless chain of events that are:( 1) giving humanity a 'purpose' (2) supplying sufficient negative emotions to ensure human suffering (through apostles, and general despair but I think humans do it by themselves, to themselves...) (3) The rise and fall of power. The Good times to celebrate and ultimately the bad times, to revel in humanities nature to hate and fear.
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You CANNOT assume that Guts follows a path different from the rest of the universe because there is only ONE route from A to B IF causality exists.

The answer to this is simple: Idea is based on spirituality, and Guts is 'spiritually dead'. So yes he CAN exist outside of Idea's plan because Idea's plan isnt based on the UNIVERSE, but humanities path.
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The main question im asking is whether Idea exists in this demon dimension also. Or is Idea in a realm of existence of its own?

Check out volume 3, we see the God Hands dimension (4th?)when the God Hand are summoned. We also see it several more times in the manga, including when Wild gets 'sucked down' into hell, and of cource Chapter 83.
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I believe that there is hope for Guts and company.  Though it might take someone 'god-like' to rearrange everything to a happy normality.  

Dont forget, Void has a 'master plan' and we have no clue what it might be. He could mean to change the nature of Idea.

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