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Current Episodes / Re: Episode 356
« on: May 10, 2018, 10:35:23 AM »

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Podcast / Re: SkullKast: Episode 95
« on: May 06, 2018, 12:18:04 PM »
Any chance we might get to hear you guys do another volume re-read? I mean, 24 is soooooo close...

We will eventually. If 357 doesn't land this month, I'll either have a v22 re-read or a different topic-based show, which I've wanted to return to for a while.

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Movies, TV, Books & Music / Re: Movies you've recently watched
« on: May 06, 2018, 01:27:58 AM »
BTW, here's another phrase I hate that gets bandied about in these situations: "Plot Armor" Everyone quit pretending to be so clever or just stop reading stories if you can't help but see through them at every moment.

Agreed, this is also why I hate sites like TV Tropes that try to distill every story beat down into a litany of derogatory phrases ("They fridged Casca for 20 years!" Fuck off.).

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Oh man, I keep forgetting what an unrepentant hippie you are on this front. =) I for one welcome the comforting blanket our corporate overlords pull over our eyes! Seriously, I will point out those things, being characters and being brands,  aren't mutually exclusive, or to effective and entertaining storytelling, even if it's a turn off for you. Tony Stark has changed and evolved in his MCU tenure, and also like Captain America will likely die, but I don't think that's going to change your mind because that's not really the problem.

I get what you're saying here, but I'm not anti-brand, or anti-capitalism (well...). I just recognize that a "story" from a deeply entrenched franchise has some explicit boundaries, and historically, those are deal-breakers that prevent me from engaging with them. BTW, the origin for these firmly rooted feelings likely come from growing up on '90s American comics, and realizing what a circular hellhole it all was after about 5 years. And it's not just Marvel movies that frustrate me like this, it's pretty much any story where the writers seem stricken with fear to evolve the story beyond a comfortable neutral zone.

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Tony Stark has changed and evolved in his MCU tenure

This is a strange tangent to open up after this lengthy discussion, but I genuinely do not see that evidenced in this movie. Take this Tony, put him alongside Iron Man 2 Tony ("I'm a rockstar superhero"), what's the difference?

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I think you're also biased against these Marvel movies and pick them apart on a higher level than they even deserve considering.

Listen, if these goddamned things were just a novelty, and came out every 5 years or so, they wouldn't receive such derisive commentary from me. But they have literally swallowed the film industry whole. I'd probably be levying the same criticism against Pirates of the Caribbean 8 if those movies were so successful and so dominated our pop culture.  The difference is of course that Pirates does not resonate with me at all, but with Marvel ... we've got a history  :mozgus:

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just say it's crap and I'd get it.

It's mostly crap.

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t I'd still point out that, on their own level, the Marvel characters have evolved and changed and had stakes beyond death in all the ways you cited, particularly their well being and their relationships to society and each other

It's all too circular for me — too eager to return to equilibrium. I don't mean to sound dismissive, I just don't care enough about the subject matter to explain myself beyond this. I've also skipped about 1/3 of the last 5 years worth of movies (what is that, 20?)

Side point, but in typical Walter fashion, I've devised the perfect counterpoint to my own argument: This kind of trumped-up death has to occur at this point in the franchise, because they've danced around the potential of lasting consequences for years in the movies. So it's really up to Part 2 to deliver on that. We'll see!  :void:

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I HATE it at this point and think it's an odd sort of laughably high minded analysis of light entertainment that amounts to live action cartoons (but where are THE STAKES!?).

It is funny when you put it in that context, because it's true (What are the stakes for Snake Eyes' infiltration into Cobra Commander's HQ?!). But outside real-talk like this, that is not how these movies are perceived by the general public. I'm not sure what your office environment is like, but let me be the first to tell you, there are people that take these movies very, very seriously. So I'd bet that "serious" reviews are a response to that sentiment. My own review, it's just my honest take, for the eyes of members of this forum.

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Movies, TV, Books & Music / Re: Movies you've recently watched
« on: May 06, 2018, 12:00:59 AM »
Phew boy, your Marvel fatigue sounds even worse than mine.

Well I've made no secret of that on the forum. Seeing this movie was a big gamble on my part, and I really blew it guys.

I wouldn't say death has no stakes at all in the film, as I'm pretty sure every one who was directly killed and not snapped away is actually dead. Which already gives it the highest body count of characters who matter than the entirety of the MCU combined.

I genuinely had to stop and think about a named character that actually was directly killed. Not even Gamora qualifies, since her "death" was the most nuanced in the movie. I don't doubt there were others, but could you let me know who they were? :ganishka:

Has Berserk any stakes anymore? Has it had stakes since volume 13 (did it then when we knew the outcome)?

In Berserk when someone dies, they stay dead. I don't think the same consistency is going to apply to a character like Spider-Man. And why should it? These are characters in name only. In actuality, they're brands, and they are more important now as brands than they ever have been. The actors help this little spell work on-screen, but their 2-3 year release schedule dictates their story arcs, and they aren't allowed to evolve beyond a threshold that violates that. So don't make the threat. Work around it, go a different direction, make the stakes different. Iron Man and Cap's ongoing lovers feud is a great example of working within the boundaries of a franchise setting and still allowing for earnest character development. But c'mon guys, don't place the one thing you can't actually do at the emotional heart of your movie and expect the audience not to call bullshit.

Which is why this movie in particular doesn't work for me, moreso than most Marvel movies, in which the above circumstances are, naturally, always in place, but aren't a glaringly obvious flaw in the overall suspense of the work. This was my whole point, and the part of my argument that you seemingly disregarded. I'm fine with the game of stakes being played in most works of fiction, because normally the threat of death isn't being lorded over us the entire movie.

I think Berserk is a particularly terrible comparison for Marvel. Miura has made substantial changes to his series, and his characters have genuinely developed and grown naturally as time has passed. Where will Guts be in 10 volumes? No fucking clue. Where will Spider-Man be in 10 movies? Gonna say ... probably New York City. So sure, the main cast in Berserk has stuck around in one form or another for more than 20 years. But the looming threat in Berserk is rarely just "death," because Miura knows how this game is played, and brings that card up only when he's actually going to follow through with it, or can at least trick us into believing it. 

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When Guts and co. were battling the Sea God, were you afraid he or any of the main cast of heroes would die?

Actually, this was a good example of Guts' survival not being in question, but the condition of his body, and how he would survive that carried the suspense. Guts' wounds stick around. So of course he will endure, but HOW will he endure? That's suspense that works. Not impending, finger-snapping death at the climax of "Part 1 of 2."

That trick works for Miura because he has the authority to make substantial changes like that, and he's done so on numerous occasions. Marvel's screenwriter de jour doesn't, and they never will, so they shouldn't be playing with those cards if they want us to take any of this seriously and not just groan. I feel like you must know this, because I've explained my distaste for superhero comics before, and why I fell in love with Berserk.

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I have absolutely come to hate the buzzword "stakes" in regards to these movies and find it to have become a meaningless catch-all for people just not liking them

Pretend just for a moment that I don't read any other Marvel reviews beyond this forum.  :ganishka:

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even capitalism (since that's the other lazy, or crazy, talking point against these movies),

What's crazy to me is that you can divorce yourself from the business side of these movies. For multi-part stories like these that demand such a time investment of its viewers, I expect some actual development to compensate, not a continual return to a neutral state. That hasn't worked for me since I was about 12 years old. So for the past few years for me, it's less a New Exciting Movie Experience than watching a circuitous machine complete another rotation.

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Movies, TV, Books & Music / Re: Movies you've recently watched
« on: May 05, 2018, 02:05:40 AM »
I made time for Infinity War. My simple review: I shouldn't watch Marvel movies. I'm the worst at it.

Just because something is big doesn't mean that it has weight.  That's what I walked out of the theater thinking. And if
 you simply read that and not the spoilers below, you won't have missed much. My impressions all stem from that problem.

Stakes — what are they exactly in a multi-million-dollar Marvel movie franchise (a franchise that has become the de-facto life blood of modern movie making)? Wait, don't answer that. Better yet, forget I asked the question, because I just ruined the whole fucking endeavor here. What weight does "death" have in this kind of scenario? I acknowledge most movies are hinged upon the suspension of disbelief. And this isn't normally a stumbling block with me, because I get it, ("Are the good guys gonna win, dad?" "Of course, son.") but my god, don't attempt to rub my face in this faux-despair throughout the whole movie. Because the harder they try to lay it on thick that NO FOR REAL EVERYONE'S DEAD, the more profoundly unreal it feels.

The fundamental problem I have with all superhero stories, especially crossover stories, is that the stakes rarely feel real. This movie certainly doesn't escape that problem, because it constantly draws attention to itself. However, the writers did their best within the scope of what Marvel movies seem to allow (Thor should definitely have gone for the head, what the actual fuck). But honestly, I'm in my mid-30s. What am I actually supposed to feel when Spider-Man becomes dust and blows away in the wind? Am I supposed to mourn? Am I realistically supposed to be momentarily fooled into thinking they won't find a way to revive these multi-million franchise heroes?

It seems to me they found the right villain to tie together all the various threads the Marvel film business has cast out over the past decade. Thanos is cool. I mean, maybe not this Thanos. But it was the right character for the job. But when it came time to actually manifest Thanos' increasing cosmic powers, big punches, force pulls and teleports were all they came up with. There wasn't nearly enough creativity on display, given the scope of his powers. This is symptomatic of the lazy writing evident throughout the film, culminating mostly in Thanos (speaking of lazy, he really did wear his goddamned space wife-beater for 90% of it, didnt he? Christ). The motivation behind his ambition was flimsy (he lobbied city council to kill half the planet and they disagreed with his assessment, so now he's gotta become mayor of the universe himself to get anything done around here). The extent of his powers never made a lot of sense, which just got weirder over time, as he inherited more and more nuanced power (did he put that "soul gem" to use?) And the attempt to humanize him in several scenes just fell completely flat. Lots of checks being cashed. Not much in the bank.

I was actually impressed, like Griff said earlier, that despite the seemingly unwieldy cast, this doesn't feel any more like a big dumb movie than all the other Marvel movie mashups. Segregating everyone into three mini-movies seems to have worked from a screenwriting perspective, but it made a lot of assumptions to get there (like the audience actually caring about the Wakanda fight, which speaking of stakes, had about as much as that airport brawl in Civil War). I liked Thor's plot the best, and felt it delivered the most from beginning to end. Really felt nothing at all for the others. Has the Hulk done anything cool since the first Avengers movie...? What a waste of a character...

Regarding Quill being a frustrating, lovesick dumbass, ruining the best opportunity they had to eliminate the threat -- I found it fine. Dude was stricken. I think it'd have been strange if he just sat by after he learned about Gamorrah's fate.

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Podcast / Re: SkullKast: Episode 95
« on: May 05, 2018, 01:15:23 AM »
love you all for making these podcasts; keep up the fantastic work!!
First time coming across the podcast. Really enjoy the discussion! Thank you for this great content!

Thanks for listening, guys! If you're new to the podcast, you might want to go back and listen to our volume re-reads, which started at ep 39.

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Current Episodes / Re: Episode 356
« on: May 05, 2018, 12:29:04 AM »
Sooo Miura has finished writing the next episode's script?

At least the next one. There's still no reason to think it won't be coming at the end of the month.

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Also Pacific Rim huh? I guess the shadow behind the bushes will be a Jaeger or something  :ganishka:

It's no secret that Miura is a fan of Kaijū . Afterall, Gigantomakhia is his stab at that genre.

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Current Episodes / Re: Episode 356
« on: May 04, 2018, 02:23:06 PM »
Digital magazine is out https://www.hakusensha-e.net/top?id=15718

Thanks! I don't think we've seen Miura's comment yet, but here it is:


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Current Episodes / Re: Episode 356
« on: May 03, 2018, 11:51:32 PM »
From Darkhorse volume 26:

Slan: "I've missed you, boy. Its been so long. No...I've sensed you at times. In the cave...at the tower...throughout countless nights. I felt all your passions. And as the path unfolded, I knew you'd come to my domain, Qliphoth." /cut to Schierke

That is a straight-up bad translation. This came up recently, and two of our Japanese speaking users went back and forth on it before both concluded that Dark Horse is yet again full of shit.

http://www.skullknight.net/forum/index.php?topic=1770.msg249569#msg249569

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she says she knew Guts would somehow end up there.

Well yeah, because she can sense him. If anything all you've done is show that the Qliphoth isn't unique in that lineup (she refers to other times and places she sensed him).

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Here's a few more interesting quotes from Qliphoth:

Yeah man, I know all about this scene. We were here talking about this episode when it came out in 2003  :ganishka:

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Slan says this after Skull Knight decides enough talking and pulls out his sword: "This place may as well be my womb, rage and fury, bastard fetuses of darkness!!"

*Suddenly a billion Orgres and Trolls show up seemingly at Slans command*

Her ability to summon creatures here, in this particular place, which she describes as having a concentration of dark creatures, does not mean that she is the owner of this place. It means that she, as a powerful being who can wield evil power, can exploit its nature and amp its production at will. By appearing in (and ultimately exiting) the Qliphoth, she also sealed its fate to collapse, as SK tells us later. Not really the behavior of a proper landlord.

Besides, we've already seen what "Slan's domain" looks like twice. We see what looks like a glimpse of it when Joachim hallucinates in vol 18 (writhing bodies begin to meld), and we see it again in Vol 34, in the 2 page spread with Slan alongside pages where the other God Hand members are in domains with their affinity. Hers is a place with writhing naked bodies engaged in sex. So, look around the Qliphoth again, and squint your eyes at the DH translation. What is it about the Qliphoth in particular that makes you scream "definitely Slan's place" ?

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Also, to me this signals that again Qliphoth is related to Slan because it is the uterus of darkness and she is the princess of the uterine sea...sticking with the reproductive theme at least and she does refer to them as "children" in a quote above.

That's clever but you should know the full meaning of what SK is saying. The phrase is 胎海の娼姫 / Harawada no Shouki. It's a dense play on words and it's of course in Japanese. I'm not a native speaker myself, but I'll try and break down the meanings in it:

Intestines

The translation "Whore Princess of the Uterine Sea" overlooks the play on words Miura's doing. "Harawada" is a word Miura coined himself by combining harawata (intestines/organs) with wada (ancient word for the sea). So here, SK is making fun of the form she took -- gross intestines, despite her high stature on the bad guy food chain.

Princess/Courtesan

SK pairs the words "Whore" and "Princess" 娼姫, likely referring to her lusty appetite/personality while also mocking her stature as a God Hand, in the same way that Slan pokes fun at SK by calling him "your highness/king."

Amniotic Sea

This could be referring to a number of things. It could be SK poking fun at Slan's actual vagina being as big as the ocean (my preference), or the origin of the God Hand beginning at the Abyss (which by its nature has an ocean connotation), or Slan's ability to manifest creatures of darkness from her womb (which she refers to later on).

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Qliphoth represents rage and fear etc.

The Qliphoth is, as Schierke tells us, the astral world's domain of darkness. That's it. You're reading too much into what Slan says as she's torturing Guts, saying that his dark feelings are fitting for a dark place.

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Qliphoth represents rage and fear etc. Those are the kinds of things Slan likes

Actually, lust seems to be her forté, whether sex or otherwise — the kind of lust that embodies your whole being, the kind that drives you mad. It's likely what attracts her to Guts.

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Qliphoth perhaps gives us a peek into what Slans "kingdom" might look like as well as the kinds of residents within? So awkwardly transitioning that to present day we could hypothetically be seeing Griffith encroaching on the edges of what might be another bigger, badder Qliphoth.

Again, Qliphoth really doesn't resemble Slan at all, and we've seen what is probably her domain, so I simply don't agree. But to indulge this idea, it'd be amusing if the presence that Sonia sensed turned out to be the outskirts of another God Hand member's domain, and Griffith just tells them to steer clear of it without explanation.  :ubik: But really, I think people are reading too much into that one panel. It could be absolutely anything.

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Current Episodes / Re: Episode 356
« on: May 03, 2018, 05:58:03 PM »
trolls which were definitely the children of Slan. Ogres were also of her creation,

No, I think you might have missed something about that scene. Those were simply creatures of the Qliphoth, which is of course where dark creatures of similar od gravitate. Slan appeared there because she sensed Guts, and she could manifest those creatures because of her power as a member of the God Hand. That doesn't mean that Slan is the creator of all trolls and ogres or that she has a particular affinity with the Qliphoth other than of course her own evil power.


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I know it would be ground breaking for us to discover that there is in-fighting between the God Hand members but then again we don't know their actual end game so we can't rule it out either.

Because the God Hand are the executors of the Idea of Evil, it nearly assures that such things won't happen. Even if it might be interesting to see.

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Current Episodes / Re: Episode 356
« on: May 03, 2018, 04:27:12 PM »
Only one issue, they don't have radio technology for a remote detonation...

True but that's probably not the only issue though  :ganishka:

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Current Episodes / Re: Episode 356
« on: May 02, 2018, 12:20:34 AM »
... anyone else have any ideas what the boy genius has created next? Maybe infused magic into some of his gadgets with aid from Daiba? So many possibilities!

:daiba: + :rickert: = A fission bomb using magical components  :magni:

Rickert has always seemed like a behind-the-scenes guy at heart, so I can continue seeing that role for him with the Bakiraka, outfitting them with unique weaponry, making them into a force even more deadly and unique. The fun will come in trying to convince them to use unconventional equipment, given that their martial arts seems quite entrenched in their culture.  There is such cool potential with the Bakiraka in the arrangement that Miura has created for them, they're definitely one of the highlights for me when I consider the future.

Either we see him immediately after or during this next sequence of episodes, or it will be after Guts and the party leave Skellig, when a timeskip has already taken place. I think it could work either way.

There are many possibilities. I don't think there's much to gain by trying to pigeonhole it. This recent POV switch made that abundantly clear.

On the topic of Rickert, I think there's a good chance we'll jump to him for a couple of episodes after we're done with Griffith. Just to show Silat's reaction to Rickert's story, the Bakiraka village itself and how Rickert is getting along there. Then we'll go back to Elfhelm.

Not sure I understand the logic. Just because there's plenty of story left to tell with Rickert and co. doesn't mean that now is the time for it. And just like we cut mid-sequence with Guts and Casca, Miura can always do that again in the future if he feels like it's the time to share Rickert's story.

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I wonder what Erica will do, too. She's friendly with Daiba, so that opens the possibility for her to learn magic from him, but she also once said she wanted to become a Blacksmith herself. Maybe she'll learn from Daiba and try to apply some of what she learned to Smithing.

Daiba's certainly a knowledgeable guy, but his skills aren't limited to magic. Remember, he's the guy who spent his life making the "artificial beherit" for Ganishka. It will be interesting to see what he's able to do with that knowledge. I can't imagine that particular knowledge base will just be used for exposition purposes.

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Video Games / Re: What Are You Playing?
« on: May 01, 2018, 07:48:43 PM »
Reading what Walter wrote about Infinite Space on the favorite game series thread made me want to pick it up again, to see if it would click for me at some point. Well, I just finished the game and unfortunately it never quite did click. I could definitely see many of the game's qualities, some of which reminded me of other games I've really liked, but in the end it didn't really resonate with me. :judo: (it should go without that saying that this is on me and not the game)


Aw man, that's terrible! Well, I certainly don't think the game is for everyone. So all I can do is really describe my experience with the game, which was phenomenal.

Now that you've played it, I think you probably know what I was talking about in my impressions, about what it does that most game stories rarely do [develop a character over a significant period of time. The 10 year gap thing blew me away, particularly with how they handled it, how awesome Yuri became, re-building your corps, and catching up on everyone from the past. The cast really grew on me throughout that story. I also found just about every story beat and twist very cool. The worst is the garbage in the very beginning of the game. ]

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Shootin' the Breeze / Re: A unique glimpse of the past
« on: May 01, 2018, 10:47:32 AM »
Thanks man, I love stuff like this that lets us see the past differently.

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Podcast / Re: SkullKast: Episode 95
« on: April 30, 2018, 12:06:16 PM »
It must have been a ghost!! :magni:

Fixed. Sorry about that! We had some last minute audio issues.

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Podcast / SkullKast: Episode 95
« on: April 30, 2018, 02:18:02 AM »

Episode 95: Jötunn (Ep. 356 Review) (54m)

Despite this episode focusing primarily on giants, this sure was a short recording. Forum member and Patreon supporter m joins us to talk about all these lumbering, astral fashionistas.

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Current Episodes / Re: Episode 356
« on: April 28, 2018, 11:45:14 PM »
Astral creatures are created by the mass subconsciousness of humanity, it's explained in 24-26.


I don't think the manga has explicitly answered the question of astral creatures' origins. The basic argument over the years has been whether human dreams and imaginations are (were?) the authors of these creatures, or merely a window to the world they inhabit. I'm in the latter camp, and if you'll bear with me I can explain why.

All this talk boils down to basically three scenes, and I'll review each. In Vol 24, over dinner at Flora's, there is quite a bit of talk about how humans can perceive astral creatures, but nothing about their origins. Schierke talks a lot about how our perception of them is thanks to a tether in our collective subconscious minds to their existence (the kind of tether that can't simply be undone by an individual's "disbelief."). Over the years, people have recognized that such creatures existed, and legends were told that have reinforced their existence in our common subconsciousness. In vol 25 when they were approaching Qliphoth, Schierke wasn't saying that dreams and imagination are the creation engine for those creatures, instead dreams are a window for us to perceive them (this is literally how it's shown -- a sleeping child peering through a window and seeing nightmare creatures). It's possible this is because the dreaming mind can override the corporeal limitations. They're "inhabitants of human dreams" because that's where they can be perceived as having form, but that doesn't mean dreams created them. Finally, in vol 34 when Fantasia hits, we get a little bit of text about how these creatures who heretofore "only existed in people's imaginations," are now walking around. Lots of talk about perception, but none about creation.

I find a number of problems with the proposition that the astral world is merely the receptacle of the human imagination. Ged has already said: "We're going back to the Chaos of the ancient times where this world was mixed with the astral world..." So what we have now is the natural state of the world, not a new dynamic that has been littered by human dreams run amok. But also, I don't think painting it all with one brush is going to work. The astral world as we know it so far is a dense stew swimming with a wide variety of beings, not all of which jive with the concept that human whims created them. There are specters for example, which are very clearly not created by the human mind. And of course, elves are tied to the elements, just like the individual elementals, down to the 4 Kings which govern the elements.

Meanwhile, the God Hand and their ilk are completely related to humans, and that's portrayed negatively. So I don't anticipate a human-centric creation story on the horizon. It seems more like a human-centric worldview is what created the problem, and during this interim period the God Hand have tipped the balance of power in favor of humans artificially, in a world that would otherwise have creatures on even footing.

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it's not a stretch considering spiritual beings such as apostles and the God Hand are literaly formed from the vortex

Apostles are not "spiritual beings." They are humans whose souls have been tainted by the evil power in the Vortex of souls.

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Perhaps there is a domain similar to the abyss and nexus where light sided magical creatures are formed of positive spirits.

Astral creatures are fundamentally different from the apostles and the God Hand, and the nexus isn't a real thing, just a convenient term we came up with.

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Current Episodes / Re: Episode 356
« on: April 28, 2018, 01:14:36 AM »
As for how astral beings are created, we don't know. I've speculated a bit about it in this thread on the previous page, if you're interested, but the short version is we don't know. The only place where we've seen astral creatures being spawned so far is the Qliphoth, and that was under very special circumstances.

Indeed we don't, but I don't anticipate a complicated explanation about their origins. Given what we know, it could very well be that such creatures have just as much a stake in this world as humans do, and always have. It's just that for 1,000 years (or more) they were shunted into another dimension that humans couldn't access. The world tree has brought everyone together again, as "nature" intended. And now after a millennia of preparation, the God Hand have established a means by which to have humanity dominate the planet (killing anything nonhuman). And as for what happens when these creatures die, perhaps they die, and that's it. But at that point, I'm layering on doubt with doubt, since the afterlife is yet another vaguely defined part of the Berserk world.

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I'm about to bog down and start the 110 episode version. Is that a good place to start? I just saw this thread and it piqued my interest, so I'm going in blind.

You should start with the first movie: My Conquest is the Sea of Stars. It functions as the pilot, so you'll want to see that before you start on the series proper.

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Speculation Nation / Re: Detail about the Berserk armor
« on: April 27, 2018, 10:34:24 PM »
Probably because they're emitting light.  :griffnotevil:

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Current Episodes / Re: Episode 356
« on: April 27, 2018, 07:54:06 PM »
Touché. Maybe its the parasitical spirit trees that are spawning these astral creatures,

I think you've got a fundamental misunderstanding of how those trees function. They inhibit the layer-spanning nature of the World Tree. From Ged (ep 345): "They play the role of preventing the branches from extending into "this world" by absorbing the power from the "World Tree".

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Lastly, I really have to get back on reading the novel translations, I think they're on 5 or 6 now and I'm still in the middle of 2. My attention span is really crappy these days.

Make sure you're reading it while listening to Gustav Mahler to get the full effect  :guts: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sHsFIv8VA7w

I'm on book 4, and so far no surprises. The OAV adapted the book very well, aside from a few slight character personality differences (Julian's is the most noticably changed, he's more age-appropriately headstrong, and not as monk-like).

I suppose the biggest change is the overall atmosphere, which the book does its own work to describe, wheras in the animation, it's mostly the duty of the artists. So the in-between, quiet moments come across much less "anime" which is a welcome change. For example, Mittermeyer & Reuntal aren't constantly clinking their glasses together and talking like lovers (same with Reinhart & Kircheis.  :casca: ) Also, The Phezzan angle also is virtually nonexistent so far, which is strange. I think we've seen Rubinsky on the page maybe twice since the story started.

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I was wandering if this shift would last for 10+ episodes or not. From the numbers I got, which are not necessarily perfect, sadly, it's inconclusive

There's no pattern. Miura shifts the story's perspective for a variety of reasons. The length of time he spends on each perspective has much more to do with the nature of the events playing out, and that they build and come to a climax, than with some formula.

I wrote up my list mostly as an exercise so I could visualize the context of each perspective switch, and identify how many occur during a cliffhanger instead of a natural ending point, which as it turns out isn't very often. The closest example I found to the current scenario is Vol 33: 293 - as Ganishka transforms, we switch to Raban and his escape from Wyndham. The payoff for that cliffhanger (Ganishka's final form) isn't delivered until 2 eps later.

It really depends on what Miura is trying to do. It's hard to say what it really is from a singe episode that we got. I think it's basically a guessing game for now.

Well the title of this episode is Jötunn (1), so all bets are off for the title and content of the next ep.  :void:

Another thing that was interesting is that shifts in the story are not uncommon. Especially since the beginning of the Millennium Empire Arc.

Absolutely, sometimes several times in a volume, and in a few instances, the shift lasts less than an episode. I also found it interesting to try and pin down the focal point of each perspective. It's common to think of it as "Guts side & Griffith's side" of the story, but in terms of the POV, it's usually much more granular. We don't see behind-the-scenes in the new Falcons' camp from Griffith's eyes, but Mule's. Falconia is shown from Rickert's perspective. Wyndham's exodus is Raban's story. And of course often it's semi-omniscient as well.

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 :ganishka: funny enough I did a similar exercise today:

Major location and perspective switches from Millennium Falcon to current

Vol 22: Guts (Hill of Swords)-> Griffith (Shet/victory) -> Guts (snow)
Vol 23: Guts (new companions) -> Mule (battlefield/pledge) -> Guts (undead battle)
Vol 27: Guts (Flora's mansion conclusion) -> Ganishka (Wyndham battle / Charlotte rescued)  -> Guts (Vritannis beach)
Vol 32: Guts (setting sail) -> Holy See Alliance (front lines/Griffith's victory) -> Guts (Sea Horse)
Vol 33: Guts (sea battle) -> Ganishka (Wyndham) -> Raban (Wyndham) -> Daiba (Wyndham) -> Guts (Sea Horse) -> Holy See Alliance (outside Wyndham)
Vol 34: Holy See Alliance (outside Wyndham) -> Guts (Sea Horse) -> Holy See Alliance (outside Wyndham)
Vol 35: Holy See Alliance (outside Falconia) -> Guts (Solitary Island)
Vol 37: Guts (sea horse) -> Rickert (outside Falconia)
Vol 38: Rickert (Falconia) -> Guts (near Skellig)
Vol 39: Guts (Elfhelm) -> Schierke/Farnese (Casca's dreamworld) -> Guts (Elfhelm) -> Schierke/Farnese (Casca's dreamworld)
Vol 40: Guts (Elfhelm) -> Griffith (Fantasia wilderness)

I made this mostly from memory, checked for a few things, but if I missed any of the major POV switches, please let me know and I'll add!  :ubik:

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Anime Asylum / Re: Berserk 2017 Blu-Ray
« on: April 25, 2018, 01:40:26 AM »
The 2D that wasn’t lifted straight from the manga still looked like shit

You're not wrong, and there are so many other ways they shit the bed with this series (direction, choreography, music, sound effects, animation), but 3D is the most glaring flaw, and what's shown in the artbook isn't bad.

What I'm trying to say is that maybe this should be a manga.

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