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I don't think what happened in the Golden Age between him and Casca is supposed to mean that he's over it. Guts finding love and acceptance with Casca did bring him a lot of peace, but it doesn't erase his past. Miura does a great job of making his characters very human and, like any traumatizing experience in a person's life, it's not as simple as just getting over it and POOF! you're cured.

Plus the Black Swordsman arc is a major lowpoint for Guts. He's just been betrayed by Griffith, the person he thought of as his best friend, and witnessed the rape of the woman he loves at his hands. I mean that's bound to bring up trust issues!

Character Cove / Re: Mozgus and Azan, two sides of the same coin?
« on: April 05, 2015, 01:16:36 AM »
I can't wait to see how things will go for him in Elfhelm! :azan:

Me, too! It'll be interesting to see what awaits him there. I really like his character, too, by the way.

Sorry I didn't respond a little more the other day. I was trying to collect my thoughts and sometimes that can take me a while.  :slan:

I'm still convinced that there's some meaning to these two character's physical similarities. Now, I know if you don't think they look all that much alike, then the argument becomes way less convincing and that's all good. It's a matter of opinion. I think they do, so I'm just discussing my own thinking. To me, even leaving out any other similarities besides the nose, it's still enough. It's just too unusual a nose for me to discount! LOL The fact that these two characters who have similar looks (to me) inhabit the same story arc can't be a coincidence. Now, here was the key that made it come together for me.

Meanwhile, what about Mozgus? He's a fanatic, that much is easy to see. But is he really following a moral code? Or is he just a hypocrite, using his power to cruelly subjugate and abuse the weak and helpless? I think we all know the answer. Mozgus has no morals, because morality is about doing what's right, not conforming to rules or customs. And Mozgus interprets the Holy Book as it pleases him so he can do what's wrong. In this, he's actually the complete opposite of Azan. But it's not just a matter of conviction. Mozgus had an extreme fervor, far stronger than that of Azan's. I don't think there's any doubt that in a hypothetical situation Azan would always bend the rules to protect innocents from harm, because he really only has a single rule to follow: doing what's right. Being honorable. Mozgus, on the other hand, is a religious extremist. He uses the pretense of an established code of conduct (one that is not personal to him) to oppress people to a point that renders said code of conduct meaningless.

So I think it's a lot more complicated than just being a positive and a negative example of the same trait. I can see why you would draw a parallel, but it's only superficial in my opinion.

I think the direction I was going with this was initially wrong because I wasn't looking at what a phony Mozgus was. Now I've revised my theory! Mozgus is false while Azan is true. False is such a great description for Mozgus. You probably already figured this out, but it explains to me why he looks so bizarre. When I first saw him I thought for sure he was an apostle, but he was human (before the egg apostle did his thing anyway). But he looks that way because he's a false prophet, so to speak, hence his stiff, artificial appearance. True is also a great description for Azan. He is one of the most pure-hearted and really good characters in the story. He also walks the walk. His good deeds and bravery are proof of his true faith and morality.

Well, anyway. I hope I don't seem overly stubborn. I just wanted to share my opinion, even if I am the only one who thinks it!  :serpico:

Character Cove / Re: Mozgus and Azan, two sides of the same coin?
« on: April 03, 2015, 05:39:03 PM »
Thank you both for your thoughts. I was just pondering something I had noticed and wondering what, if anything, other people's views were about it. I appreciate the insights you shared about these characters. Very cool!  :guts:

Character Cove / Re: Mozgus and Azan, two sides of the same coin?
« on: April 03, 2015, 04:32:10 PM »
No, I see more than that in their physical similarity. Smallish, widely set eyes, very wide mouths, and they are both quite stockily built.

Character Cove / Re: Mozgus and Azan, two sides of the same coin?
« on: April 03, 2015, 04:20:57 PM »
Here's a couple more.

Character Cove / Re: Mozgus and Azan, two sides of the same coin?
« on: April 03, 2015, 02:16:33 PM »
I think any similarities in their appearance (which I don't really see...) are just coincidence.

The similarities in their looks really stood out to me, but maybe that's just me.
Of course the most notable is that nose. It struck me as pretty unusual. Very flat and square. Maybe they are "hard-nosed" characters.  :schnoz:

Also thematically, I don't think they're similar at all. Mozgus is a zealot, but Azan doesn't strike me as a particularly religious guy; he's just dedicated himself completely to the cause he serves.

I wasn't originally looking at it from a religious angle necessarily. The last thing you mentioned was actually my point, that they both devote themselves completely to their convictions and the cause they serve. They both adhere very strictly to a set of principles they've decided to follow and it seems like there's not much room in either of their worldviews to step outside this "box".

I hadn't thought of Azan as being that religious when I wrote this post either. I had thought of his main guiding philosophy as the code of knightly conduct. After going back and looking over some things, though, it does appear Azan was pretty religious. In volume 14, a couple of pages into the Lost Children chapter when Serpico is teasing Azan about getting married, Azan mentions that he's "something of a clergyman". Also on the page before that Azan's line about "A miracle of our solemn and dreadful God" sounds like something a devoted follower would say, so maybe religion is more a part of the picture than I had thought.

Character Cove / Re: Mozgus and Azan, two sides of the same coin?
« on: April 03, 2015, 05:26:17 AM »
Could be! LOL  :mozgus:

Character Cove / Mozgus and Azan, two sides of the same coin?
« on: April 03, 2015, 04:27:52 AM »
I thought it was odd how similar Mozgus and Azan look. They are both very unusual looking characters, so I find it strange that they share some key features. Do you think this is a coincidence or was it done for some reason? They seem to have more in common than just their stocky figures, wide faces, and large flat noses. Mozgus and Azan both have very strong convictions. They view the world and act according to deeply held personal beliefs and moral codes. Maybe Azan is the positive example of this and Mozgus is the negative example?

Mozgus is way more surreal looking, though. He looks like he's carved out of a block of wood or something, while Azan looks much more normal, so not sure what that means. Maybe to highlight that Mozgus has given himself over to total fanaticism, while Azan hasn't? Mozgus's face is as rigid as his thinking?

What do you all make of this?

Speculation Nation / Re: Flora's Reputation Among Elfhelm Magic Users
« on: April 02, 2015, 03:24:47 AM »
Close to the end of volume 27, when the gang is at the cottage by the sea, they bring up Elfhelm and Schierke says she has heard of it from Flora. It seems that Flora must have given Schierke a favorable impression of it because Schierke's description and overall attitude towards going to Elfhelm are enthusiastic. She says she's always wanted to go there and see it for herself. It's never made clear whether Flora has been there or not, but since it seems that what she told Schierke was of a positive nature I don't think Flora would have had any bad history there.

My impression of magic users, from what Schierke says about Flora's past (volume 24) is that they were like the healers/spiritual leaders of a village or area before the Holy See came along. Among other things, they were the go-between of the people to communicate with the spirits that they worshiped. Magic users seem to follow a way of enlightened thinking and have respect for life. Of course I'm assuming other magic user's beliefs are comparable to ones that Flora lived by. Puck does say when he comes into her house for the first time that it brought back memories of the homes of magic users he had known in Elfhelm, so that makes me think their ways of life must be similar at least.

Anyway, I think Elfhelm will be a welcoming place for Schierke. I think Flora was probably a renowned and respected member of the magi, so I don't anticipate that Schierke would suffer from a bad rap on that account. Even if Flora had done something that tarnished her reputation in the past I don't think it would be held against Schierke. I also think that Elfhelm is going to be a place where both Schierke and Farnese can improve their magical abilities, continuing their studies with other, more experienced magic users. Schierke says she herself is still in training, so what a great opportunity for them both to learn and gain new skills.

Femto felt threatened enough by Flora to want to take her out of the picture, so he clearly sees magic users as a possible menace. I think that's where any conflict might come in Elfhelm. Femto might attack the island in an attempt to wipe out the magic users there.

Character Cove / Re: Favorite Berserk Character Introductions
« on: March 31, 2015, 05:10:35 PM »
Yeah, furthermore I really like her development, from someone who looks down on those who don't know anything about magic or the astral world to someone who recognizes the importance of friends and the strength that has kept Guts on his feet through all of his challenges.

Such a fantastic character. Like Puella once said, if only she were a little older, her and Guts might ...!  :casca:

Absolutely! That would have been interesting. Maybe it would have been more like the relationship that is alluded to between Skullknight and Flora. I like things the way they are, too, though since I think it's because Schierke's a child that Guts has been able to let his guard down with her as much as he has.

I wonder if Azan realized that about her while serving as her subordinate.

I definitely got the impression that Azan realizes Farnese is weak and an inexperienced leader. Since Azan is a veteran knight I think he can pick up on that, whereas some of the other men under her command who came from more sheltered backgrounds and have had little to no experience probably can't. Azan is very protective of Farnese and I don't think that's only because she's a woman (although being the chivalrous guy he is, that's likely part of it) but also because he knows she really does need his help. Azan is cool, one of the most principled characters in the story, for sure!  :azan:

Character Cove / Re: Favorite Berserk Character Introductions
« on: March 31, 2015, 02:10:33 PM »
I think my favorite character introductions were Schierke and Farnese. I was already familiar with many of the other characters because I had watched the anime before reading the manga, so those didn't make as much of an impression on me.

I like Schierke's introduction because it made me so curious about her. It made me anticipate finding out more about this cute and knowledgeable little witch.

I like Farnese's introduction because of how my initial impression contrasted with the reality of the character. My first impression was that she was a formidable person with a lot of power. I guess it was the fancy armor and her haughty attitude. LOL Then, come to find out, she is anything but those things. She is mostly just a figurehead with no real skill and she's a very frightened and weak person (at first). This character emphasizes that a person (or group, like the Holy Iron Chain Knights as a whole) may appear very impressive on the surface, but the actuality may be a different story.

Podcast / Re: Skullknight.NET Podcast: Episode 60
« on: March 31, 2015, 01:19:01 PM »
Enjoyed the podcast. Thanks! The ass discussion at the beginning cracked me up!  :ganishka:

I just read through the whole series for the first time, so I'm now waiting along with everyone else. Of course I'm anticipating and very much looking forward to what comes next, but I'm glad that Miura takes his time to make this awesome. Considering the scope of the story and how much care he takes with the art and with plot and character development it doesn't surprise me. Creativity can't always be rushed. Better greatness irregularly than mediocrity at a steady pace!  :puck:

So about the translation issue we mention during this podcast, what Rochine says in Japanese is close to how DH put it, it's just that their translation is confusing. The gist of it is that she mistakes Puck for one of her pseudo-apostles and admonishes him: "Don't talk to humans, those who do are outcasts, like Peekaf. And if it's your case, you'll get punished along with the humans."

Thanks for the clarification. That makes more sense. I had found that exchange kind of weird.

Creation Station / Re: Berserk Void and Griffith cosplay
« on: March 27, 2015, 04:57:07 PM »
Wow, this looks awesome!  :ubik: You got some skills!

that's making me go "I wanna eat that Void chocolate!" ... could you imagine?

LOL! Now that would be something! I can see it now, a tasty chocolate Void peeking out of the Easter basket instead of a bunny!  :void:

Character Cove / Farnese's mother; neglectful, yet insightful
« on: March 27, 2015, 04:10:27 PM »
I found Farnese's mother to be a very interesting character. Upon my first reading through this part of the series I found her puzzling. She has been neglectful for most of Farnese's life, but then takes a seemingly sudden interest in her daughter. Farnese's mother is first introduction in volume 22 and nothing is revealed about her, except that she is a neglectful mother who has lost herself in “dissipation”. The definition of dissipation is “an idle or frivolous amusement or diversion; indulgence in pleasure to the point of harming oneself; intemperance”. So who knows what all she's been getting herself into, but I think it's likely alcoholism and dalliances with men. Since we're told that Farnese's father is basically never around, I guess that isn't too surprising.

In volume 29, when Farnese returns to her family, she is at a low point. Farnese is doubting herself and feeling lost. It's at this point that her mother shows up. Her mother gives Farnese this amazing insight into who she is, how she communicates, and how she is viewed by her father. I feel like through all these revelations she is empowering Farnese, holding a mirror up for her to see herself as she never has before; as this wild untamed creature, who is actually feared by her father, the very person Farnese herself fears the most. At this time in her life when Farnese is feeling defeated and useless these disclosures from her mother are well needed. Her mother is clearly aware that Farnese was severely neglected in her childhood. She doesn't apologize for this, but she tells Farnese how her painful past might actually be something that gives her depth and a kind of honesty she might not have had otherwise. Her mother seems to be a woman who is capable of sizing those around her up with uncommon clarity, but who keeps herself at a distance. She seems to keep herself detached in a way and I don't get the feeling that she is remorseful for her nonexistent parenting. Her mother does tell Farnese she is proud to have her as a daughter, which is probably something Farnese has never heard before. Farnese doesn't appear to hold any resentment towards her mother. Later, at the ball the conversation Farnese's mother has with Serpico also reveals her to be a woman of remarkable perception and insight. Serpico notes that she is very astute.

In volume 30 it's revealed that Farnese's mother is envious of how free a person she is. Perhaps she herself feels very trapped by the world of high society that she lives in and by a family that shows so little love for each other, but seems to be more interested in how they can use each other to their own advantage. Her mother seems to really respect the person Farnese is becoming and to genuinely wish the best for her.

I love how expansive Miura makes the world of Berserk feel. There is so much going on. Through these engaging side characters like Farnese's mother I get this cool feeling of a wide and rich world going on outside the main storyline. I just think it's pretty neat that he's able to do that. It's something I don't remember feeling when reading any other manga.

Character Cove / Re: Love in Berserk (Guts and Casca and others)
« on: March 26, 2015, 07:52:32 PM »
One thing i thought was key about Judeau is he had unrequited love for Casca, in the same way Casca had unrequited love for Griffith. I thought Judeau it goes without saying is a noble character, and I've often seen him recognized as such. While Casca was still in her mind's eye set on Griffith, Judeau was actually rooting for Guts, because of that perceptive quality you spoke of he saw something between them. Judeau being a traveling artist in the past, made it seem like he had an entertainer's persona.  He was kept happy by the happiness of others, but he had a sadness to him, that he didn't reveal once to our eyes until right before his death.

I kind of imagine that Judeau wanted Casca to be free to find her own happiness, and he wanted the same for Guts.  We saw in his last moments that Judeau was living a very self sacrificing life, which is why that one fan fic picture years ago that i saw on this forum. With judeau being pulled from this lazarus pit like pool of fire being reborn at elfhelm, was an awesome fitting picture.

Good points! I don't think Judeau was really being honest with himself in thinking that Guts and Casca getting together was "all good" with him. When they actually get together, as we were talking about before, he doesn't look too happy. He has been trying to engineer their union while stuffing down his own feelings for Casca all the while. Not sure that's healthy! If he hadn't been killed first he might have ended up going postal at some point.  :puck: I'm totally joking, by the way. Hmm, honestly if he hadn't been killed I think Judeau really just wanted Guts to take Casca away. He does demand that Guts take Casca with him when they're talking after Griffith's rescue. This as well, appears to have been motivated by a desire for Casca's good. I think Judeau knows that if Casca stayed behind and Guts left then she would be sacrificing her own life and happiness to care for the invalid Griffith and I don't think Judeau wants to see that happen to her. There he goes being self sacrificing again! Judeau was willing to be the one to bear the responsibility of caring for Griffith in the future. Beyond all that, though, Judeau might also want Casca to leave because he's sick of living in a situation where the woman he loves is so near to him, but is unattainable as far as the romantic relationship he desires. It's all interesting to ponder anyway. I love how Miura makes his characters so human and complex! Just awesome!  :guts:

Character Cove / Re: Love in Berserk (Guts and Casca and others)
« on: March 20, 2015, 05:47:01 PM »
One thing that I thought was really exceptional storytelling was the way the love scene between Guts and Casca was done. Things took a disturbing turn when Guts lost it and started choking Casca. Miura does not try to gloss over Guts' past trauma or how broken Guts is, but instead shows that he is still very much affected by his past and uses this encounter between Guts and Casca to not only bring the two characters closer together, but also as an opportunity for Guts to heal. At first Guts thinks that his behavior is unforgivable, but Casca actually hears him out and is understanding to him. Being able to finally share with someone what had happened to him and to be accepted by Casca allows Guts to heal in a big way. It brings a warmth and depth to the characters and their relationship that would have been missing if this part had been omitted. To me, the way this scene happened is genius.

Well, if Judeau had feelings for Casca it makes sense for him to be hurt when she and Guts smile to each other. He helped them get closer, this is what he wanted, but it does not make it easy to watch for him.
I completely agree. I think Judeau knew that Casca just didn't have any romantic feelings for him, but he still cares about her happiness. He wants her to find someone she can love and be loved by in return and he comes to think that this someone is Guts. Judeau seems to me to be a very observant and insightful character. In my opinion, Judeau is understanding enough to know that if the feelings just aren't there then there's no point in trying to force it, so he doesn't make a move on Casca because he believes she is simply not interested in him in that way. It seems to me that after Guts and Casca have their shared adventures before the battle for Doldrey, Judeau picks up on the shift in Casca's feelings for Guts, as I think it's after this point that he starts encouraging them to get together.

Going back to the look on Judeau's face when he sees that Guts and Casca are really together now, I think Judeau believed he was fine with it, but when he actually saw it happening it still hurt, just as Kraden said. Judeau may have thought he accepted it, but when he saw it in reality it was still painful to him, for that initial moment at least. His rational thinking and what he is feeling emotionally are at odds.  :judo:

As far as Griffith and Charlotte are concerned I get the feeling that at first Griffith was only interested in her for the possibility of advancement that being with her would give him. He saw her as just another stepping stone to his ambition. However, when Griffith sees Charlotte's strong devotion to him later in the story when they are escaping from the dungeon, I get the feeling that he is moved by it. I think it was meaningful to him, but I don't think it means he loves her.

I haven't read through all the volumes of the series yet (on volume 27) but Farnese's relationship with Guts is very interesting thus far. He has definitely brought out some strong feelings as well as a lot of soul searching in her.

Another relationship that I found intriguing was the one between Flora and Skullknight. Makes me want to know more about that one. Not sure if anything more of their history will be revealed, but it would be cool if it was.  :badbone:

My first encounter with Berserk was through the anime TV series. I suppose everyone is entitled to their own opinion and maybe for some, the Golden Age was their favorite. Having now gotten into the manga, though, I can't see how anyone who has read past the Golden Age could say that the story went downhill in any way after that. There have been so many awesome moments and I'm loving the new characters, too. I haven't finished reading through all the volumes, but so far I have thoroughly enjoyed the story post Golden Age. I'm just starting on volume 27, right after Guts first receives the magical armor that Flora gave him. This is great stuff! I have to say that Berserk is my all time favorite manga!  :ubik: I would wonder if those who say the story went downhill have actually read past the Golden Age. The Eclipse was quite upsetting, as it was supposed to be, and after seeing it in the anime I will admit that I hesitated to read the manga. I'm so glad I did, though, because I would have missed out big time! The manga does everything better than the anime did and I enjoyed the Golden Age arc that was shown in the anime much more through the manga.

Podcast / Re: Skullknight.NET Podcast: Episode 42
« on: March 19, 2015, 01:44:28 AM »
Well, I'm only late to the party by a little over a year, so not sure this will even be seen, but I just listened to this episode and had a few thoughts, so guess I will throw them out there anyway. I very much enjoyed your discussion, as always!  :ubik:
To me the scene where Shisu is dying and Guts is by her side is so significant in what it says about Guts' character. Not only does it show that he is brave, but also that he cares deeply for those he loves. Shisu looks hideous and terrifying with the disfigurement to her face and Guts is shown as being so frightened that he is shivering. Knowing she is dying and probably in considerable pain, Shisu herself is also afraid and alone in that moment. She calls out to the person she loves best, Guts. It shows what a selfless and bighearted person Guts is when he overcomes his fear and goes to her side in her time of need to comfort her. Every time I read through this I find it very touching.
You all were contemplating how on earth Guts could be a decent human being after all the shit he's been through. I remember learning in a psychology class that birth to 1 year is a crucial time in a person's development of trust and attachment to others. We aren't shown anything much of Guts' life with Shisu, but it is clear from the beginning that she is protective of him and since it is Guts that she calls out to on her deathbed I would think that she loved him very much. Guts probably had a reasonably loving adoptive mother in Shisu for those first 3 years of his life, so you can probably thank her, in large part, for him not being a complete sociopathic monster.  :guts:
I always thought of Gambino's dog as a comparison to Guts. Guts is like a little lost puppy following after Gambino. Through Guts' childhood he has a blind faith and loyalty to Gambino that is much like a devoted dog's to its master. In one panel Gambino is shown kicking the dog, but even though he abused it, the dog still follows him. This is just how Guts acts. Gambino has mistreated Guts many times and hasn't shown him much love, but Guts desperately wants his approval. Any scant praise that Guts receives from Gambino clearly means the world to him. This is completely understandable since Gambino is Guts' only father figure, but unfortunately Gambino is a pretty horrid person and fails miserably at being a dad.  :rickert:
Anyway, thanks for the podcasts! They are a lot of fun to listen to and you always point out something interesting or have some thoughts that I hadn't considered before.  :serpico:

Oh! One more thought on Gambino's dog. Since to me it is a comparison to Guts, I think it could be an early foreshadowing to the Beast of Darkness. The once tame, faithful dog has been twisted by pain and rage into the feral, vicious beast!  :beast:

Shootin' the Breeze / Re: Introduction
« on: February 16, 2015, 07:01:56 PM »
Ok, thank you!  :serpico:

Shootin' the Breeze / Re: Introduction
« on: February 15, 2015, 10:00:37 PM »
I'm hesitant to comment on a lot of things because I haven't finished reading the series. Once I'm caught up I think I'll feel more comfortable participating.  :???:
Can someone please tell me how to insert a picture? I see the button for "insert image", but I couldn't figure out how to get it to work. I tried copying and pasting the image where the text indicated, but nothing happened. It's probably really obvious or something. LOL  :schierke:

Shootin' the Breeze / Re: Introduction
« on: February 12, 2015, 11:45:50 PM »
Thank you and I'm looking forward to the reading the rest for sure, Aazealh. It's such a treat. Berserk is hands down the best!  :badbone:

Shootin' the Breeze / Re: Introduction
« on: February 12, 2015, 03:51:48 PM »
Hi there! I recently joined the forum also. I have been enjoying the podcasts in particular. So much fun to listen to! :ubik: I have not finished reading the series. I'm currently on volume 17. I first got into Berserk through the older version of the anime. The manga is so much better of course. Anyway, I'm happy to find a forum like this to share the interest. :guts:

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