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Manga Mausoleum / Re: Little Things You Love About Berserk
« Last post by ThePiedPiper on December 15, 2017, 04:44:18 AM »
Casca's facial expressions always melt my heart, and she was especially adorable in Volume 26. I can't help but laugh even during rereads. Miura is simply a creative genius.

Context: Guts had just saved her and Farnese from trolls. She really does not like Guts right now, haha!







Unrelated, but I cringed a little a few pages later at Dark Horse's translation of the mini bombs Guts gave to Isidro. "Nut crackers" *shudder* I prefer the translation on here, 'Big Bang'..
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Current Episodes / Re: Episode 351
« Last post by Aazealh on December 15, 2017, 01:08:13 AM »
I'm not asking for advice on how to read, I'm asking for a single passage in the manga were Guts use the brand as a radar, and I'm paying attention

What you're asking for is of no consequence to me. You clearly should be reading the story more closely. For example I've already given you a passage where Guts uses his brand to pinpoint the location of an apostle, but you couldn't be bothered to find it.

So, can you tell me where in all that did Guts rushed to Rosine location without any prior knowledge of where she was?



please tell me from where you get your explanation, as a said, I always check the manga for every argument

Look at the lines jackson_hurley cited. He even gave you the volumes. Will that be enough or do we need to circle the relevant panels in red and mail the pages to you? I mean I trust you when you say you always check the manga, but you must not be doing it very well.

(and you can go check on google, there isn't a single radar that only need a single point to work, they all need at least a 2D surface)

Who cares? That's completely irrelevant to the discussion. The point is that Guts and Casca can both sense astral beings using their brand. Guts is able to differentiate between an apostle and another form of evil creature just through the brand, as shown when Ganishka first appears in Vritannis. Guts is able to track down enemies through his brand. Casca can sense her child when he's nearby. All of these things are told or shown in the manga, and there's much more. You just need to pay attention to the story.

We know the brand work as a radar because Casca use it like that.

Yeah, like in this instance.



Hey, I'm trying my best

Your best isn't quite enough. Now please stop derailing this thread.
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Current Episodes / Re: Episode 351
« Last post by DANGERDOOOOM on December 15, 2017, 12:29:20 AM »
**Grabs popcorn** I think it's just safe to agree with Aaz on all these points, darnage. These points you bring up aren't as trivial as you may think.
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Speculation Nation / Re: What kind of ENDING you hope you will NOT see?
« Last post by MrFlibble on December 14, 2017, 11:27:48 PM »
There's a high attention to detail in discussion threads such as this. And it's generally not a good idea to base your thoughts on information that isn't accurate, especially when you have people like myself that are relatively new to the series still trying to grasp certain concepts

Are God Hand members simply "puppet masters" though? It's my understanding their influencing of the world isn't by their personal interests, but in accordance to God's will. The hand can pull strings, but it's God that wills the hand to move, the actual master.

I misspoke, I know the situation is a lot more complicated than, "The God Hand control everything"
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Current Episodes / Re: Episode 351
« Last post by jackson_hurley on December 14, 2017, 11:22:44 PM »
Well these two passages from the manga might help out a bit.

Volume 14 Skullknight to Guts :"If you mean to pursue the inhumans, follow the guidance of that brand." Episode Demon child or infant from dark horse.

And volume 22 Guts to himself :"It was an aimless journey relying just on strange rumors and the subtle sensations of the brand..." Episode The rent world

Now that does kind of say that the brand can be use as some kind of radar. The way I see it, it just doesn't work perfectly like a real radar with a bip and a ping, but an unnatural feeling that serve as a radar once you know how it works/feels. As in, I don't think Guts can sense where all the apostles are because he has the brand. The closer you get from one or something evil, the greater the feeling/reaction.

I'm pretty sure after a couple of nights fighter the specters got him to be able to differentiate the apostles from lesser creature and if he started to feel something a bit I'm sure he'd go that way to find out.

In my opinion.
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Speculation Nation / Re: What kind of ENDING you hope you will NOT see?
« Last post by ThePiedPiper on December 14, 2017, 11:21:52 PM »
Seriously, ppl, this topic is not about reviewing what I said...

There's a high attention to detail in discussion threads such as this. And it's generally not a good idea to base your thoughts on information that isn't accurate, especially when you have people like myself that are relatively new to the series still trying to grasp certain concepts

I hope to see a lot more of the God Hand in the future, the puppet masters behind all of the supernatural events up until this point deserve more than simply being relegated to members of Griffiths team of baddies.

Are God Hand members simply "puppet masters" though? It's my understanding their influencing of the world isn't by their personal interests, but in accordance to God's will. The hand can pull strings, but it's God that wills the hand to move, the actual master.
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Speculation Nation / Re: What kind of ENDING you hope you will NOT see?
« Last post by buttonmasher on December 14, 2017, 11:07:56 PM »
Ask yourself what happened 1000 years ago with Gaiseric?  Why does SK relentlessly pursue the God Hand?

Having the God Hand escape would be narratively redundant.  I won't pretend to have any good idea of how the story ends but I'm  confident the God Hand will be destroyed.
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Speculation Nation / Re: What kind of ENDING you hope you will NOT see?
« Last post by MrFlibble on December 14, 2017, 11:06:09 PM »
I hope I won't see:

-the "God Hand" getting stopped in a short fight that won't conclude anything regarding them besides making them disapear for a few years that the Manga won't cover anymore, anyway;


Me too, I'd hate if all four of them get one shotted. However I think you misunderstand how the God Hand work, Slan's body in Qliphoth was an avatar rather than a physical manifestation of her full form. That's like saying Conrad died when he was in his rat mass form.


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-the skull knight sacrificing himself (that'd be too obvious) and not even revealing his face;


I disagree, the Skull Knight has a massive death wish, there's nothing left of him, he only exists to defeat the God Hand, it would be cruel not to let him rest in peace, and tbh I don't mind if we never see his face, there are plenty of characters in Berserk whose true appearances remain a mystery.

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-generic revenge on Griffith; it'd be very lame not to see a complex conversation between him and Guts beforehand which'd show new cards to the table, it'd completely ruin all the expanded personalities of the characters that were developed through the 1st volumes (in fact: I'd not be mad if Griffith'd survive after all -  :griffnotevil: - maybe he isn't a good guy, but he isn't evil either, just lost as a human being which resulted in being selfish - that's how I see it);


Me too, I'm not a Griffith fanboy, but I'm not someone who thinks he isn't beyond some kind of redemption, if he dies without any kind of resentment towards how he was manipulated by God it would lower my opinion of the character.

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-too much slapstick humor: one of the reasons why I loved Berserk was because it always tried to give a serious feeling and vibes of the western works (which Miura admitted himself, he tried to copy), not the typical Anime comedy crap that is in the current arc and has been growing since the introduction of Isidro... (Puck always felt more subtle/natural to me... and actually funny, not cringe-worthy and forced like Isidro);


Sorry dude, the lame slapstick humour is a staple of Berserk.

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-not freeing Guts from Hell that he's supposed to enter when he dies (mentioned in 3rd or 4th volume), or, more like: mentioning it at all cuz I feel like everyone forgot about it, Miura including... (or maybe I don't remember something?  :schnoz:)


I very much doubt Guts or Casca will be branded at the end of the series. I don't see old man Guts defending himself from spectre ooze with his Dragonslayer.
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Current Episodes / Re: Episode 351
« Last post by darnage on December 14, 2017, 10:55:17 PM »
I encourage you to re-read the story while paying more attention to it.
I'm not asking for advice on how to read, I'm asking for a single passage in the manga were Guts use the brand as a radar, and I'm paying attention, for every single one of your argument, as well as mine, I go verify the concerned passage to make sure my memories are rights (well, when I can, but I'll come back to that).

This is simply untrue. We see Guts rushing to Rosine's precise location in volume 15, which directly contradicts what you're saying.
As I just said I was doing, I checked the entire section, from the start of the arc in volume 14 to the moment's when Jill tell the story of Peekaf in volume 15, and here's how the arc goes:
It start around the tree where sacrificial rituals had been done, here Guts free Jill from the bandits. After that Guts and Jill travels to her town, here Guts escape when the villagers discovers Puck. Jill find him and tell him to go hide in a nearby windmill, later in that windmill, Jill explain why the villagers attacked at the sight of Puck, she explain how elves coming from the misty valley are eating the crops and kidnapping children. So at this point, Guts as yet to sense either Rosine or a single one of her fake elves through his brand and he already know where to find them all. Shortly after that, his brand finally react, so he burst out of the windmill, and directly see the huge flying swarm of fakes elves that couldn't be missed unless you're blind. So Guts goes to the town, use a child as a bait, kill a bunch of fake elves using a barn that he set on fire, and right after that, he heard a sound, so he turn around, and Rosine is standing there on a tree. Following a small battle, Guts set up to the misty valley were he know she dwells in thanks to Jill, and since a valley is basically a huge path carved in a mountain, it's not hard to find were to go once you found the valley, who's big enough to be easily located (even more since he can just go in the direction Rosine left to find it). The next night, Jill find him fighting flamming children, and at the next morning, she finally tell him the story of Peekaf.
So, can you tell me where in all that did Guts rushed to Rosine location without any prior knowledge of where she was?
I admit it, I greatly exagerated when I said they just kind of run into each other, but your argument isn't just exageration like mine, it's plain wrong.

I don't think you really understand how the brand works...
Then explain it to me, and please tell me from where you get your explanation, as a said, I always check the manga for every argument, so you just have to point out where in the manga you get that the brand, who's only thing it can do is inflict pain on a single point, can work as a radar. (and you can go check on google, there isn't a single radar that only need a single point to work, they all need at least a 2D surface)

The brand can indeed do that, as evidenced, among other things, by the fact Casca can sense her son through hers.
We know the brand work as a radar because Casca use it like that.
And we know Casca use the brand because it work as a radar.
Great circular reasoning. Also "among other things" is the one single thing you need to prove to destroy my entire argumentation, and the only actual argumentation you made to attempt to prove it in your comment, with Rosine, was wrong.

This discussion is a complete waste of time: you're basically refusing to admit what's plain to see to any reader because you're too enamored with the incorrect assumption you came up with.
Hey, I'm trying my best, I would gladly change my opinion but when your arguments aren't plain wrong like with Rosine, you just keep repeating how I obviously didn't get the story without actually telling me what passage I'm interpreting wrong. As I said early, I always try to verify my claims in the manga before saying anything, and yet in that entire comment you just did, who's made of five different arguments, the only one I could go check was wrong. In fact, in your comment before that one, I could also only check a single one of your arguments, about the black swordsman arc, and your response to me pointing out it was wrong was with Rosine, who was even more wrong.

As i said in the comment that restarted that discussion, "if it's me that make an error of interpretation, please correct me", so could you please stop saying as argument that "It's explicitly stated somewhere in the manga that you're wrong, it's so obvious you're wrong I won't even bother to tell where it's stated", and actually tell me where it is stated, because beside two wrong examples, you have yet to do that.
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Speculation Nation / Re: What kind of ENDING you hope you will NOT see?
« Last post by MrFlibble on December 14, 2017, 10:48:18 PM »
I'll probably get shit for this, but I don't want Guts to kill Griffith in a final rage induced fight to the death, having Guts learn throughout the story that revenge is bad, and learn to let go of his bloodlust to protect those he cares about, only to grant him revenge would contradict everything he went through, and it would mean a certain evil beast  :beast: would be proven right.

I also hope the world doesn't snap back to normal in the end, there may even be worse things to come, but I would hope that the howl of the astral world does lasting damage to civilisation.

My last hope isn't really to do with the ending, but I hope to see a lot more of the God Hand in the future, the root cause behind all of the supernatural events up until this point deserve more than simply being relegated to members of Griffiths team of baddies.
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