Theozilla said:
Oh, I don't deny that there will likely other issues, beyond what occurred in Volume 23, explored if/when Casca is restored, I was just stating my thoughts on one of the various issues that I think are pretty significant. And I certainly don't mean to under-credit or imply a lack of faith in Miura, I was just voicing my general narrative anxieties (which are more attributable to seeing other fans (off this site) dismiss the narrative significance that a recovered Casca would have).
But Casca's narrative significance isn't tied to a continued resentment of Guts, far from it. In fact I certainly hope she will have a much bigger and much more interesting role than that, because that's the exact same role she's been having since the Eclipse. Fortunately, their relationship really has much more going on than that.
Vixen Comics said:
I actually hope that is exactly what is going to happen that the events in volume 23 will be glossed over. The last thing I want to see is Casca continuing to hold this incident against Guts. Yes, it was significant and I do not think that it's severity should be dismissed because it had held real consequences, but at the same time if this incident becomes an issue at all I would hope it would be to at least start a dialogue between Guts and Casca (or Casca, Guts and the elf King) about Guts own mental trauma due to the eclipse. I will be disappointed if Casca merely continues to grudge Guts and give dirty looks and verbally rebuke him. Maybe Casca will not be able to resume a physical relationship with Guts right away but I do not think it should mean she should continue to hate him like she has in her damaged regressed state where she is unable to evaluate the events that led up to it. I mean if she remembers that incident why would she not remember all the other things Guts has done to protect her at the expense of his own body and well being?
I think "glossed over" might be too dismissive, but I agree with the general sentiment.
Like I said in the podcast thread, that event has already been playing a determinant role for many years. Staying hung up on it would feel restrictive, especially since there are so many more things weighing in the balance for them. The simple fact they have both become different people in a different world already means their relationship will by necessity be different from what it was. Their respective trauma, the conflicting way in which they dealt with it, their individual goals, their son... It's kind of obvious but like you said, I expect them to establish a dialogue that will go on for a good long while and contribute to their respective growth, eventually culminating not in a patched up romantic relationship, but in a new one altogether. It would be beautiful and rewarding to see her fall in love with him again.
Vixen Comics said:
Yeah you are right, it is probably not Miura's intention to make a clear mirror parallel between these two events I just thought the ferocity of both Casca and Farnese in these situations seemed similar because they both could not understand why the person they where yelling at acted the way they did and was easily forgiven for that. I was also trying to say that I strongly feel that if Farnese had been aware of what had transpired between Guts and Casca in volume 23 or the events of the eclipse that made her the way she is now, that Farnese would not have gone off on her in a bath like she did. If she knew why Casca acts coldly toward Guts or that she mentally regressed due to rape she might have more been more understanding of why Casca does not seem to understand the lengths Guts goes to for her sake and probably would not have lashed out at her.
Well I certainly agree that the situations are comparable, in fact I've myself made that observation before. About Farnese's behavior had she known the whole story, obviously that didn't happen but in all likeliness her attitude would have indeed been different. That being said, don't forget to factor in Farnese's unrequited feelings for Guts and the jealousness that results from his affection for Casca despite her disdain. That frustration is also at the core of her outburst.
Theozilla said:
But for the narrative to completely ignored/dismiss the significance of such a incident would be very poor character writing on Miura's part IMO.
Why is that even being considered again? I thought you weren't lacking in faith regarding Miura's abilities? Because clearly your argument here is based on the supposition that Miura would in an incredible reversal of his previous 25+ years of work on the series suddenly become "very poor at character writing".
Theozilla said:
And even if in the end, Casca feels that she doesn't want to resume a romantic relationship with Guts (which I personally really doubt will happen) that's a valid choice for her to make that she shouldn't be rebuked for (as even if Guts has protected and sacrificed so much for Casca's safety, he still sexually assaulted her and is not entitled to a romantic relationship with Casca).
This not only goes without saying but is really completely off topic, and frankly quite patronizing and in poor taste coming from a man speaking to a woman. Our goal here isn't to use Guts and Casca's relationship as a text-book example of "no means no", and bringing it into the argument out of the blue feels really cheap.