Walter said:Well that'd be kind of redundant since him obtaining this form was kind of an all-or-nothing suicide move to begin with. That being said, I agree wholeheartedly
HawaiianStallion said:Does Ganishka's new form remind anyone else of the blob that attacked Mozgus's tower? Eerily similar to me.
This is a great concept you've picked up on here, Griff. And I think we all felt something of it when we saw the variations and grotesque shapes of Ganishka's face being distorted in his new form.Griffith No More! said:I like this because it basically implies that he's more than a single being or entity at this point, but an evil force of nature, while totally powerful, unstable and perhaps beyond even his total control. He basically embodies something gone too far now
Well maybe he can move only with that many appendage too!!! (without lowers, like a spider)Aazealh said:Well, he could have lower appendages that would be stuck together closely enough to appear as a single block from afar on page 22.
That "form" (we don't know yet the whole form) seems to me the blob (so the fire will burn and kill him?)HawaiianStallion said:Does Ganishka's new form remind anyone else of the blob that attacked Mozgus's tower? Eerily similar to me.
What? No.... They aren't Flora's angels... They're the Four Kings of the World . And I really don't see a similarity here, at all.JetBlack said:And the last page with circles in sky, ok is absurd, but seems to me like the angel of earth (1 of the 4 angels of Flora).
We don't know precisely how deep he went. Just "hell" from what we know.Uh Ganishka went to the abyss and return! We know he is a veeeery strong apostole but Flora said that for most souls go there is with no return ... and i'm courious to know how he get that new power.
I wonder about the reliability of Daiba's statement here, if he's right on or just exaggerating. Because now I'm wondering about the longterm implications of this eruption from hell. As Yota speculated in the translation thread, we are wondering if Ganishka has taken on some properties of the Vortex of Souls. If so, that form we see on the horizon on the last page of the episode could just be the beginning.Daiba - ...How much evil does he have residing within his body...No, the Lord Emperor himself is now Hell itself!! It's overflowing....Hell is overflowing...!!
This phenomenon has been alluded to several times in the series, most prominently when the Beherit-Apostle sacrificed the world to make "a new world." And since Griffith's reincarnation, it's been said a few times as well, evidenced by the Qliphoth seeping into the Physical world.Sonia - It will end. The laws of this world will now end.
DetriusXii said:Anyone else worried about Daiba?
I don't think it'd serve much of purpose if Daiba survived the initial acid backwash just to be consumed meaninglessly by this new creature. Of course, he did deliver one of the most important lines of the episode before the scene changedGriffith No More! said:I was checking to see if there was a moment where he was clearly doomed, and while it's hard to see where there's room for him in the end there, if and when he's going to die, I think Miura would make a show of it and display Ganishka's nasty destructiveness, so I think he's somehow okay for now (of course, that could instantly change come May 23rd =).
Walter said:As Griff alluded to in the translation thread, I wonder if this is what Griffith bargained for when he reached for his kingdom, or if he's now gotten a raw deal. Which would be perfectly justified by the full-page look of intensity he gives in this episode. Only time will tell...
Walter said:Everybody should check out the translation Yota posted a few hours ago. It's pretty enlightening stuff and definitely sets the tone for the episodes (and VOLUMES) to follow. Im sure it'll fill all of our heads with food for thought, and here's what's cooking in mine right now:
I wonder about the reliability of Daiba's statement here, if he's right on or just exaggerating. Because now I'm wondering about the longterm implications of this eruption from hell. As Yota speculated in the translation thread, we are wondering if Ganishka has taken on some properties of the Vortex of Souls. If so, that form we see on the horizon on the last page of the episode could just be the beginning.
Walter said:Which leads me to Sonia's nuclear bomb of a line:This phenomenon has been alluded to several times in the series, most prominently when the Beherit-Apostle sacrificed the world to make "a new world." And since Griffith's reincarnation, it's been said a few times as well, evidenced by the Qliphoth seeping into the Physical world.
Walter said:The questions of what will constitute "an age of darkness" and "a new world" have been asked for years on the forums. We've had some outlandish/lame ideas in the past: Apostles or God Hand members ruling over countries like evil governors, but it never really felt convincing enough. It wasn't as much of a true paradigm shift. But this ... this is a whole new ballgame, and it feels right.
Walter said:I think this event, whatever the implications, may set the stage for the next era of the series, and Im not just talking about getting Griffith on a throne. As Griff alluded to in the translation thread, I wonder if this is what Griffith bargained for when he reached for his kingdom, or if he's now gotten a raw deal. Which would be perfectly justified by the full-page look of intensity he gives in this episode. Only time will tell...
Draulix said:This episode was great.
The only thing laking was simply put, where was SkullKnight?
Everyone around Wyndalm was there to see Ganishka's new form unvail but it was lacking for me to not see Skull Knight there.
It felt like it was a missing piece by him not being there but none the less, a brilliant episode fo sho.
Well we're not really at odds on this point. But we're apparently talking on two different levels about what's happening. Independant of Griffith's plans in ascending the throne, all this world merging and astral meddling has come to a head with this otherworldly creature thrusting itself on the country's capital. Pretty awesome, thematically, visually and conceptually really. The "disappointed" people can just plain fuck off, honestly.Griffith No More! said:I think this is just the natural climax of what began with Griffith's rebirth; everything has happened because of that, and with his direct influence, right down to him telling Ganishka the time and the place they would end it and sending him down this path.
We're stumped on the same questions =).I have two questions if Ganishka is indeed inflating with some evil part of the astral world, "Hell overflowing", first, what exactly does that mean, and second, what's going to happen when that balloon gets popped?
Well, anything in the incubator is connected to the astral world. Unlike a helpless human female, I think Ganishka has infested the astral world with his presence, the incubator "popped" and out spilled physical hell. Like we talked about in the chatroom, I think he's exerting himself unnaturally on the vortex (if we can even call it that right now). Once his influence fades... it won't have to be structured in a fixed form, and perhaps it'll keep growing.For the first question, dropping pregnant women into that incubator would connect them to the astral world, so is Ganishka now basically serving the same function in reverse, bringing the astral world into the real world? Or to put it another way, is Ganishka in a sense working like a reverse vortex, like the ones we've seen the Count, Wyald, and Qliphoth get sucked into, except in this case the astral world is being sucked out?
I'm stumped here too.So, if he's destroyed, does all that negative energy go with him, or does it all come flowing out like in Ghostbusters?
Well the layers are already pulled together relative to how things were before, but no, I don't think evil could ever be exhausted in this fashion. Like I said in the chatroom tonight, I think Griffith could be a monkey wrench for this scenario, since he's the "Absolute One" in the world. Just touching this slag of hell could cause some unforeseen reaction to the substance.The connection being that with Gutsfield's beast destroyed, rather than it evaporating, the evil inside him instead multiplied, flowing more freely and powerfully: UNLEASHED. So, will the new World mean one where the layers of reality are pulled together and much evil is sacrificed through Ganishka (tentacle Jesus dying for our sins! )... or will it all be released, creating the aforementioned age of darkness.